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PL SUBCOM 05/18/1967 - 31051. PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS - STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE - MAY 18, 1967 PAGE 1 The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Jensen. ROLL CALL: Members present: Nagel, Albrecht, Jensen, Myhra, Schmedeke Others present: City Manager Wagner, F�.gineering Assistant Clark. ORDEft OF AGENDA: The Subcommittee decided the order of the agenda would be as follows: Items 3, l, 2, and 4. l. DRIVEUTAY ACCESS FROM LOTS 5 and 6 BLOCK G RNERVIEW HEIGHTS: Robert D. DeGardner 8180 East River Road . Mr. DeGardner said he owned Lots 7 and 3 and the house built on these lots face East River Road. Lots 5 and 6, Block G, Riverview Heights will be sold, but he did not want to sell until some kind of decision is made regarding the access. The lots are 30'x110' each, and it appears the only access is onto East River Road. There is about five feet for the boulevard and a 35 foot setback is required for the house. It was mentioned that if it were possible to put a turn around at the back yard, he could come out on East River Road facing frontwards. , Because the lots were platted before the present reg- ulations, the code permits building on small lots. Inasmuch as Members Schmedeke and Nagel did not have the opportunity to look over the property, the,y stated they would like to. The Subcommittee agreed the� were not prepared to make a recommendation this evening, but will inspect the property prior to the Planning Commission meeting of May 25�, and hope to make a recommendation at that time. The members would look over the lots and give their recommendations to Chairm�.,.�. Jensen,,who would, in turn, inform the Planning Commission of the decision at the May 25�' meeting. No further action was taken. 2. DISCUSSION OF PROPOSID ROAD PLAN FOR SEa OF SECTION 13: 0'Bannon, Cochran, Carlson, Scherer, & Chies. Mr. Cochran told the Subcommittee that 0'Bannon, Chies, Cochran and Carlson met as agreed and talked over the plans presented at the previous meeting but agreed to use the grade ► �� � Plats and Subdivisions - Streets & Utilities Subcommittee - Ma.y 18, 1967 Page 2 already established. Two of the parties have plats accepted and approved for drainage. Mr. Carlson added that one of the things in this overall plan and any wa,y �ou want to work it, you are involving 7 or 8 parties. In order to make this thing work, everybod�r has to be united to do it, and there could be legal entanglements which could tie up the whole procedure for some time. We have three plans workable without involving the rest of the propert,y until such time as 0'Bannon wants to develop his and attach it to ours. The plats have been accepted pa�tially and can be worked in the future and possibly the new plan would not be as workable as we � felt. Member Schmedeke said he walked over this area ,yesterday and saw hills, scenery and pheasants. He did not think Mx'. Cochran would have too big a problem in his opinion. He didn't � lrnow exactly where the propert,y lines were. The onl� problem he could see was Mr. 0'Bannon's propert,y, especially the 909 hole. He said it looked as if there were some kind of old logging road that went through to Old Central Avenue at one time. Mr. 0'Bannon said he would like to run a road west to Central Avenue but it would have to go through paxt of Rev. Henderson's property and he won't give permission. He could go through the north but he would have to buy some property to do so. Chairman Jensen said, do I understand right that you four prbperty owners are not particularly interested in an,y of the proposals that were developed by the planner? You prefer not to use an,,y of these plans or any variance? You would prefer to go back to what �rou had previously developed on your own as the solution? Caxlson: Basically, yes. In order to get an� kind of.work- able solution, you have to get all four parties together and agree on a plan, whether this or tre plan we alread,� have. The plan we have has a lot more lots for sale that the planner's layout. The Planner's lots would probably bring a bigger price because the lots are larger and more landscape. .Mr. Jensen said that, at this time, we have not considered the size of lots or laid them out. Mr. Carlson said that to get the cooperation of the other owners was one of the main concerns. The four parties here this evening were in agreement. It was pointed out that they were talkin.g about 75 acres of land in a relatively raw state �.nd the Subcommittee felt it was important enough to develop this correctl�r and in the best ' possible manner. Plats and Subdivisions - Streets & Utilities Subcommittee - May 18, 1967 Page 3 Chairman Jensen said we realize that we probably can't get - unanimous approval, but that could be taken caxe of at a later date. Full cooperation would be giver� b� the Subcommittee helping to establ.ish ke� roads so that adequate access can be obtained for the development on a reasonable time schedule. It is possible for the N.W. corner to lay dormant from two to ten years and still your propert� could be developed in an orderl� fashion. All we would have to sa� is when part of the area is to be developed, this is the overall plan to follow. At this point, the plan which was considered at the meeting of the four propert� owners, was discussed. The problem of moving dirt when construction was to begin was brought up and also placing of streets taking into consideration the hills and dep- ressions. The streets, as planned, would keep traffic down to a minimum and yet give the residents an easy way out to collector streets. Most of the roads in the area would not carry heavy traffic and could get a waiver for width. One of the reasons the property owners wanted to use their original plans was that the� could develop over half the area without bothering ar�rbod.y. Chairman Jensen stated he feels that we still can begin a development program in this area without involving the rest of the people, and as soon as the,y want to do something, we have a plan already begun. Mr. Caxlson explained that when they purchased the land, they did so on the presumption that they would get so man,y lots and so much dirt. If we are going to get half as much dirt out as we figured, we will lose. Mr. Caxlson stated that he believes it is good to have an overall plan which everybody is going to participate in. One � reason for working with Mr. Chies and Mr. Cochran is there would be agreement. It was pointed out that if th� City could show there was a plan for the area, it would be easy to talk to the people who were questioning the work. The Subcommittee decided to call a meeting for Tuesday night, Ma.y 23, 1967 at 7:30 at the Chies property. Mr. Kermit Crouch was to be contacted by the Engineering Assistant Darrel Clark. If it were raining, there would be no meeting. No action. � , Plats and Subdivisions - . Streets & Utilities Subcommittee - Ma,y 18, 1967 Page 4 3. VACATION REQUEST: SAV #67-01, ST. PHILIP'S CHURCH: Vacate 30T service road on west side of T.H. #65 between West Moore Lake Drive and West Moore Lake. Dr. Deane Richardson, president. Chairman Jensen stated that inasmuch as he would have to make the presentation of the vacation as he was on the committee for the church parking lot, he turned the gavel over to Member Albrecht, who took the chair. Mr. Jensen stated St. Philip's Church has put in a request to the City to vacate the service drive between West Moore Lake Drive and West Moore Lake. This service drive is a City wtreet and has never been used except as a right of way. It is being used at the present time as a drive for the Church and there is some parking taking place. Right now they are going to construct a parking lot and a plan was developed which would completel� do away with the need for a service drive. Inasmuch as the service drive services no other property, other than the Church propert�, we felt it would be a reasonable request. There would be some advantage to the City as far as maintenance is concerned. If the Church were to request a service road, the entire cost would be borne by the Church but snow plowin.g and maintenance would be a burden to the City; therefore, I believe there is no disadvantaga in the vacation of this service road. He also said the entire service road area would be used for landscapin.g and parking and the dxiveway woul3 be entirely on the parking lots. The traffic would be onl� Southbound. This is going to be a stage development and the� will go as far as the mone� goes. MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded b� M,yhra, that the Plats and Subdivisions - Streets and Utilities Subcommittee recommends vacation (SAV #57-01) of the 30' service road on the west side of T.H. #65 between West Moore Lake Drive and West Moore Lake bein.g Outlot 2, Block 2, Moore Lake Highlands 4� Addition. Upon a voice vote, all voting a�e, the motion carried unanimously. Actin.g Chairma.n Albrecht turned the gavel over to Chairman Jensen, who returned to the table. 4. VACATION REQUEST: SAV #67-02, ELMER JOHNSON: Vacation of West end of turn around in Johnson's Riverlane Addition. It was mentioned that this was a cul de sac until street ; was put in, and it is part of a recorded pTat. Riverview Terrace does run down to 63rd Way, but it is not blacktopped. The Ehgineering Assistant continued that tY�ere would be no problem with utilities, and if there are stop boxes they can be pulled out and put in another place. The Cit�r Manager was asked to consult with the City Attorney to see if it were necessary for this application and that of St. Philip's Church to be published inasmuch as the request does not affect anyone except the requestors. . Plats and Subdivisions - Streets and Utilities Subcommittee - May 18, 1967 Page 5 .- ° Chairman Jensen called attention to the fact that, if the actual intent is to pull the street out of there, that any cost will be borne by the requestor either as an assessment or at his own expense. It was suggested to include the wording that the petitioner will remove the street on the proposed vacated property and repair the street to City standards at his own expense. MOTION by Myhra, seconded b�r Schmedeke, that the Plats and Subdivisions - Streets and Utilities Subcommittee recommend to the Planning Commission that the vacation request (SAV #67-02�, Elmer Johnson, of the cul de sac at the west end of the turn around at Mississippi Place in Johnson's Riverlane Addition, be granted and include the wording that the petitioner will remove that portion of the street, and any damage to the street surface be repaixed to Cit� standards and the curbin.g be continued, and an.y cost to be borne by him ior repair of the street to City standards at his own expense or b�r assessment. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unaminousiy. ADJOURNMENT: 0 There bein.g no further business, Chairman Jensen adjourned the meeting at 9:40 P.M. Respectfull� submitted, ��� - - G� a _ �� Aazel 0'Brian Recording Secretar�r F