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PL SUBCOM 07/18/1968 - 31063;/ , '��' ' . PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS- STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOrIlrIITTEE MEETING JULY 18, 1968 PAGE 1 The meeting was called to order by Chairman Jensen at 7:35 P.M. ROLL CALL• Members Present: Albrecht, Nagel, Jensen Members Absent: Schmedeke, Myhra Others Present: Engineering Assistant Darrel Clark 1. VACATION STUDY: INFORMAL PUBLIC HEARING: 56th Avenue: 4th Street to 7th Street. Chairman Jensen explained that this was an informal hearing with the residents adjacent to 56th Avenue between 4th and 7th Streets. The purpose being that Mr. Brusseau, who lives at 5546 Seventh Street, made a request that 56th street be opened in order that he could make better use of his garage and have a simpler access to it. The question arose whether the entire street from 4th street to 7th street should be vacated. We felt, in order to be a little better informed as a Subcommittee studying the question, we would like to have an expression of interest one way or another on the possibility of vacating 56th Avenue. Part of the thinking in this direction was the blocks to the South of 56th Avenue are now very short because the frontage road along the Freeway changed the character of the neighborhood. One of the points is that the normal practice, in this case of a street vacation, is that fhe City does retain a utility easement sufficient to give us the right to maintain utilities either presently existing or planned for the future. Secondly the street, if it were vacated, one half of it would go to the property abutting on each side. John Casserly, 5965 5th Street N.E.: He is the owner of the property at 525 and 527 56th Avenue (Lots 14 and 15, the West 64 feet of Block 2, Hamil- ton's Addition to Mechanicsville). He stated that if 56th Avenue were vacated, it would take away his only access to a street, therefore he is not in favor of the vacation. Mr. Jensen informed Mr. Casserly that there was no particular cause for concern as this is not a specific proposal. The Subcommittee is interested in comments and they have no direction at this time as far as a real effort is concerned to close this street. This is a more or less information gathering, but comments are going to weigh heavily on any decisions made here. Robert Jaeger, 5601 4th Street N.E.: They would be in favor of vacating the street because they'd get more parking for their building. It would be Plats & Subs Str & Util Subcoumnittee - July 18, 1968 Page 2 to their benefit. Larry Brusseau, 5546 7th Street N.E.: He said he was the one who originally brought up the question. His main concern is the area between 6th Street and 7th Street. The driveway entrance is through the property on the neighbor's lot facing 6th Street, and although he has the permission of the owners to use it, he feels it would be better for him and the property owner if he could exit on his own property. It is impractical the way it is now. He was not in favor of leaving the street as it is. There is a big pile of sand, weeds, broken glass and material from the tornado and it is not to his benefit to have it looking like that. He would rather improve the property if he could. He also said the people who own the lot behind him on the Southeast corner of 56th Avenue and 6th Street were unable to attend and instructed him to give their opinion and they would like to have it vacated. If the street were cut through, his driveway would exit on 56th Avenue. Mr. Jaeger said they would like to know what would happen to the street if it were vacated. Mr. Jensen answered that they were at somewhat of an early stage for final determination of this sort. This is a new situation as there has never been a hard surfaced street vacated. His own opinion was there would be a certain amount of flexibility in what condition it would be left as the City would be interested in removing the remnants so that the people could landscape it. However, he felt that if someone were making use of the hard surface for an entrance to the garage, that, perhaps, a part of the hard surfacing could be left to serve the driveway and then the property owner making use of it, would maintain it as his own expense. Mr. Jaeger wanted to know how wide the easement would be. Chairman Jensen said, depending on the facilities that exist, it would probably be 12' to 15' from the centerline. The individual maintains the ownership but cannot build structures, although the City may dig to repair. The street right of way is 30 feet, the boulevard 15 feet, and the remaining easement would presumably be where the hard surfacing is at this time. David Peterson, 5600 5th Street N.E.: He said the driveway to their garage is right in the middle of the block and they back the car right off into the street. They would like to have their driveway as it is. The Clarks, who live at 5500 5th Street, asked them to express their wishes which were that they would like to have the road left as is. Carl Sorenson, 4615 University Avenue N.E.: Mr. Sorenson asked if the street were closed, does the property automatically go to the people who live there? He was told that would be handled by the City Administra- tion. Mr. David Peterson said that he would like to leave the street the way it is as he would have to change his driveway if it were vacated. Mr. Jaeger asked if there was a possibility of having an alley instead of a street. The Engineering Assistant said it had been a thought, but never really considered. Plats & Subs Str & Util Subcom�►ittee - July 18, 1968 Pa�e 3 Mr. Sorenson said there is an easement for alley off 56th Street that never has been used and wondered if there had been talk of closing it. Mr. Jensen answered that the discussion never reached that point of action. The Engineering Assistant said if there is no use for it, it could be vacated. Chairman Jensen reviewed the coumnents as follows: The property owners between 4th and 5th Street were against vacating; between 5th and 6th Street were against; between 6th and 7th Street (2 owners) were in favor. The Chairman informed the audience that the public meeting relative to the question of closing 56th Avenue will be closed. If anything further occurs relative to this matter, they will be notified. If there are addi- tional public meetings before the Planning Co�nission, and ultimately a legal public hearing before the City Council, they will be notified in plenty time to prepare comments regarding it. There will be no further action for those who expressed opposition of closing the street. Darrel Clark agreed to write to the utility companies regarding the placing of the utilities and the vacation. MOTION by Nagel, seconded by Albrecht, that the Plats & Subdivisions- Streets and Utilities Subcommittee recommend to the Planning Commission the vacation of 56th Avenue from 6th Street to 7th Street with the City retain- ing sufficient easement for utilities and also for the Engineering Depart- ment to proceed to contact the affected utilities companies to get their approval for this vacation. Mr. Nagel added the amendment to close the study of the vacation of 56th Avenue between 4th Street to 7th Street. Upan a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. VACATION UEST: SAV ��68-05, PETER J. LINDBERG: The 24 foot service drive easement (lying West of and parallel to East River Road and North of hiississippi Street). Present to discuss this problem were Peter Lindberg, Robert Schroer and Ra.lph Wormsbecker. Mr. Lindberg said he represented the owners. The request is for the vacation of a 24 foot easement that is now separated from the West line of East River Road by a strip of private property approximately 10 feet to 15 feet. The parcel is zoned commercial. It was his understanding that the plan for the intersection of East River Road and Mississippi Street is to be scheduled for construction. Because there will be a 24 foot road coming into the intersection, he felt there would be no use for the service road. The Engineering Assistant explained that this is a street of right of way. The County, at one time, arbitrarily narrowed up the right of way as they somehow determined that an error in the survey was made and they moved the right of way line. He said he had talked with the City Engineer who asked if there was any interior plan as far as the traffic is concerned. They looked at the apartment house plan and noted that there would be an entrance at the North line for the apartments and a separate entrance for the comanercial lot approxima.tely 300 feet South of the apartment entrance. Plats & Subs Str & Util Subcommittee - July 18, 1968 _ Page 4 Chairman Jensen said there is a possibility of the County or City desiring to eli.minate extra entrances to East River Road. In that instance, a service drive would be necessary to the North to allow a comanon entrance in order to reduce entrances on East River Road. There ma.y be some change in ma.intaining an easement -- he was not saying that particular 24 feet is good or necessary but he was concerned about long range aspect. The Engineering Assistant said the County had 50 feet from the centerline to the West. Mr. Lindberg said because of the 24 foot easement they could not get a good title on the property. It was agreed by the Subcommittee that if Anoka County could provide a right of way map, it would help them in making a decision. Chairman Jensen said he believed this specific location for easement is not necessary for anybody and did not think this particular location has any merit, but if he knew where the edge of the road was, a decision could be made. Mr. Lindberg said they would not like to develop as planned and then find they would have to tear up the shrubbery. Chairman Jensen said that they did not know where the centerline was and who was the proper owner of the right of way. Regarding County roads, he said the County agrees to build roads, but the City holds the title of the right of way for the public use. In case of County roads where additional right of way is needed to make a particular improvement, they will demand the City provide the right of way. This is why we have to be concerned about long range plans. The fact there is an application for a vacation of a 24 foot street is all the real request you need. The County Highway has to present the facts, i.e. their boundary line and they have to present evidence which shows where they think that line was. Mr. Nagel said he was not ready to make a move one way or another because of the boundaries and possible road plan. MOTION by Nagel, seconded by Albrecht, that the Plats & Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcommittee table the vacation request, SAV ��68-05, Peter J. Lindberg of the 24 foot service drive until further information can be obtained from the County as to an established boundary of the right of way and some idea of the possible traffic plan for the intersection of Missis- sippi Street and East River Road. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Nagel continued that they should establish whether or not they have sufficient right of way for the proposed street. Darrel Clark volunteered to check the access to both parcels and also determine where the line is in relation to the new paved road. 3. CONTINUED PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT: P.S. ��68-03, SOUTHI�iAMPTON 2ND ADDITION, JULIAN M. JOHNSON CONSTRUCTION CO.: Outlot 2, Worrel's Addition. The Chairman stated that the petitioner called and said he did not have further information. Plats � Subs -Str & Util Subcommittee - July 18, 1968 Page 5 MOTION by Albrecht, seconded by Nagel, that the continued proposed pre- liminary plat, P.S. ��68-03, Southhampton 2nd Addition, Julian M. Johnson Construction Co. of Outlot ��2, Worrel's Addition be tabled and carried on the Agenda. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 4. CONTINUED LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. ��68-03, JOSEPH ZIZAK: Lots 6 through 9, Block 27, Hyde Park Addition. Mr. Zizak was not present. MOTION by Albrecht, seconded by Nagel, that the Plats & Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcommittee table the Lot Split request (L.S. �k68-03), Joseph Zizak of Lots 6 through 9, Block 27, Hyde Park Addition and carry it on the Agenda. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unani- mously. ADJOURNMENT• MOTION by Nagel, seconded by Albrecht, for the Plats & Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcommittee to adjourn at 9:20 P.M. R��pectfull,y_ ubmitted o�e'��i1 � Haz 0'Brian Recording Secretaxy I � t � �SI(��I-I1�T $HEET: �'I.ATS & SUBDIVISIE�-S�S Sc UTI�iTIES SUBC(�IlKiT�'$E JULY 1$, 1968 ' �:. NAME '�-.. ADDRBSS ITLM N0. �_.. _.. _...__ _ � s�' .�r-� s' � � . �', _ � _. - y—� � S ' � -7 ''� ��_ � F, � �.S'�oI -;� � , � �, � . ' � ��- 4 3 � a a �I �� L� � � _: �.�rr� , , ..� � � � . � i� . . '�� : .._.. ....:�.._.: . .. . .. .k�� � � �. _ .,