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PL SUBCOM 02/13/1974 - 31159i, CITY OF FRIDLEY PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS- STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMI,TTEE MEETING CALL TO ORDER: FEBRUARY 13, 1974 PAGE 1 Chairman Harris called the meeting to order at 7:34 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: Harris, Christensen, Meiss.ner, French Forster Darrel Clark, Community Development Adm. APPROVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: DECEMBER 19, 197� MOTION by French, seconded by Christensen, that the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee approve the minutes of the December 19, 1973 minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unan�ma�!s7y. l. CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #74-01, RICE CREEK ESTATES, BY GOODCO, INC., AND PINE TREE BUTLDERS: A replat of Lot 10, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, except the North 260 feet thereof; and Lot 9, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, except the North 260 feet of the West 132 feet, located between Rice Creek Road and 61st Avenue N.E. and West of Benjamin Street N.E. Mr. Edwin Dropps, Mr. Roland Goodroad and Mr. & Mrs. Theodore '�heilmann �aere present. Mr. Clark said this plat has been revised to include a park dedication. It is basically the same except we have taken out the short cul-de-sac street. Mr. Dropps has agreed to the concept, but there hasn't been any agreement on the price because this will be more than 10� of the plat. This park dedication will make nine less lots on the plat. Mr. & Mrs. Theilmann are fee owners of a parcel 132 feet wide and 627 feet deep that starts at Rice Creek Road, Mr. Clark s�:a�ed_ar�d that the Theilmann's haven't decided if they want to plat their property at this time. Mr. Clark said that this plat follows, in some degree, the road study that was done in this area about five years ago, and from the staff's standpoint, if Mr. Dropps and the Theilmann`s can come to an agreement, this plat does meet all the code requirements for lot size and follows close enough the established street patterns. There will be some problems with the perim�ter lots but Mr. Dropps said they would be going to the Board of Appeals for a front yard variance from 35 feet to 25 feet on the lots platted along 61st Avenue N.-�. Z'here is no right of way dedicated for 61st Avenue on about half of this Plats & Subs.-Str. & Util. Subcommittee M�eting-February 13, 1974 Page 2 street on the glat. Mr. Clark said he didn"t know if the people South of this plat on 61st would want to dedicate for this street. The length of the cul-de-sac could be changed on 61st Avenue. Mr. Harris asked the radius on this cul-de-sac. Mr. Clark said it was 50 feet. Mr. French said this was about minimum size for a cul-de-sac. Mr. Clark said the park dedication is about 2� acres, approximately 330 feet x 350 feet. He said the area dedicated for a park can be placed anywhere on the plat, but they would want an area of at least 300 feet x 300 feet so they have room for a ball diamond and other facilities. Mr. Harris asked the total acreage of this plat. Mr. Christensen said it sta�es 17.5 on the application. Mr. Goodroad said he just guessed at the acreage. Mr. Harris said 10� of this would be 1.75 acres for park dedication. Mr. Clark said this is going to the Parks & Recreation Commission later this month, and if they, or the Planning Commission, squelch the park dedication, the nine lots can be added back into the plat. � , French �aid in the vacinity and greater need. the park study does show a need for a park with this area being platted, there will be a Mr. Clark said there is another parcel to be developed by Mike O' Bannon next to this parcel, but it is not condu�ive for park land because it is not level. Mr. Harris asked when Mr. O'Bannon would be giving land or money for park dedication. Mr. Clark said it would be in the third phase of his development. Mr. Dropps said that they felt this was a workable plat. We have not come to any agreement with the Theilmann's. In fact, we are at a stalemate. This is a big p�oblem as far as the plat is concerned. Mr. Harris said the TY�eilmar�� parcel will take a big chunk out of this plat. Mr. Dropps said they do have some alternate plans. Mr. Theilmann said he wouldn't get as many lots going along with this plat as he would if he platted alone. This plat makes �iad lots much deeper than is necessary. I do not feel that I want to plat at this time. Mr. Dropps said Mr. Theilmann's parcel is only 132 feet which would plat into two 66 foot lots. We could sell him 17 feet to make these standard size lots, or do some trading of property. Mr. French said that if these lots were platted �:� 66 foot lots, he would not be in favor of approvin� lots that were below the minimum front footage. Plats & Subs.-Str. & Util. 5ubcommittee Meeting�FebruaryPage 397� Mr. Theilmann said if he could purchase up to 18 feet from the petitioners, at the right price, his lots would meet the minimum requirements. He said the way he would want to plat his property, if and when he did, would be into eight lots. He said the way his property is platted on this proposed plat, he would have to put in one street and a half street to develop the balance of his property that is not included in this plat, otherwise, he would end up with two lots 75 feet x 230 feet deep. Mr. Harris asked the petitioner what alternate plans he had without the Theilmann parcel. Mr. Dsopps gave a tenative explation of how this could be alternately platted. Mr. Meissner said he did not like streets jogging at intersections, he much preferred straight intersections because it caused less of a traffic problem. Mr. French said that he thought in this particular area there wouldn't be too much traffic on these streets. Mr. Dropps said it does create a problem if we have to plat around the Theilmann parcel. Mr. Meissner said there was no way approval could be given to this plat when the two property owners can't agree. Mr. Christensen asked how they could submit a preliminary plat when they didn't own all the land being platted. Mr. Goodroad said they have been negotiating with the Theilmann's and so they had_their engineer include this parcel in the plat. They have been negotiating to either buy land from the Theilmann's or plat it all together, regardless of ownership. Mr. Harris said that as there has been no agre-ement between the property owners, we have no alternative but to ask the petitioner to propose a new plat, excluding the Theilmann parcel. Mr. Harris asked Mr.Cfiark that if the Theilmann's were agreeable to platting, if they could accept a plat with two fee owners. Mr. Clark said they could, but there would have to be some exchanging of property so that each fee owner would own complete lots. You couldn't have two fee owners of one lot. Mr. Dropps said that if they developed their plat under the supposition that Theilmann's would be platting later, the question is if they will ever plat. Mrs. Theilman said they have no plans at this time. They were thinking about the future and their interest was in doing what was best for themselves, not what was best for someone eise. Mr. Dropps said to make this plat work, they would have to have street dedication from the Theilmann's. Plats & Subs. Str. & Util. Subcommit�ee �ee,tin � February 1Page9�4 Mr. Meissner said that the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee meeting was not the place to negotiate on this property. Until an agreement was reached between the two property owners, whether they both platted or not, no action can be taken on this plat. Mr. Clark said the City staff could help the petitioner draw up an alternate plan, and as far as the park dedication, it is flex�ble where it can be placed on the plat. Mr. Dropps asked if they could bring in two preliminary plats, one with the Theilmann parcel and one without and get approval for either/or. Mr. Clark said that would be possible. Mr. Meissner said he would like to consider just one plat. Mr. Harris �sked how long it would be before_the petitioner's could have another plat drawn up, or come to some kind of an agreement on } what they would be platting? Mr. Dropps said they will have to make a decision in the next couple of days and could have a plat ready by the first of next week. Mr. Harris asked when they would like to start building in this area. Mr. Goodroad said they would like to start tomorrow. There is a sewer and water project going in North of Rice Creek Road, and if we can get this plat approved, the sewer and water for this devel- opment can be added on to this project. Mr. French said this plat meets all the requirements as far as lot size and other criteria, so he didn't think it would take too long to review this plat when a decision was reached on what they could plat. MOTION by Meissner, seconded by French, that the Plats & 5ub- divisions-�treets & Utilities Subcommittee continue the consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S. #74-OZ, Rice Creek Estates, by Goodco, Inc., and Pine Tree Builders, to replat Lot 10, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, except the North 260 feet thereof, and Lot 9, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, except the North 260 feet of the West 132 feet, located between Rice Creek Road and 61st Avenue N.E. and West of Benjamin 5treet N.E., until February 20, 1974, subject to the readiness of the petitioner to consider a revised plat at that time. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Mike O'Bannon appeared at the meeting after the petitioner's had left, to check on the alignment of the streets in the proposed plat to see how they would line up with Phase 111 of his development. 2. DESIGNATE 1.11 MILES OF STATE AID ROADS Mr. Clark said there was a memorandum in the agenda explaining how the 1.11 miles were determined and a priority list by the Engineer- ing Department, where they feel the���ed is there, and could get agreement from the State. There is no combination of streets that will come up to 1.11 miles. Plats & Subs.-Str & Util. Subcommittee Meetin -February lPage954 Mr. Christensen asked if these priorities listed were all existing streets. Mr. Clark said they were except Main 9tre�t from 83rd to 85th was not open. Mr. Harris asked if we can get State aid on a street that is not open. Mr. Clark said yes, in fact you get more State aid because funds are available from the beginning. Mr. Harris asked if it was easier to get State aid on residential or commercial streets? Mr. Clark said it didn't matter. Mr. Clark said the City puts in the road but the State subsidizes it. Mr. Christensen asked if the State maintained it? Mr. Clark said the city maintains it, but the State pays us to do it. Mr. Christensen asked if the State subsidized streets because the state requirements made the street more expensive to install. Clark answered yes and said the City was allowed to designate 20� of its streets as State aid, and we are one of the few communities have been able to stay close to this figure. Mr. that Mr. Meissner said he would like to wait on the des�ignation of Main Street from 83rd to 85th for another year to see how this area develops, so he would like the prior'ity to be chariged on this. Mr. Clark said they have had many calls on this area, and they could set the priorities the way they wanted, and if something broke in this area before Council approves the priority list, it could always be changed. Mr. Harris said he agreed with Mr. Meissner in that the first priority should be made the third priority. Mr. Christensen concurred. MOTION by Christensen, seconded by French, that the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recommend to the Planning Commission that the priority for designation of 1.11 mi1e5 of State Aid Streets be (1) Main Street - Osborne Road to 79th Avenue (0.36 miles), (2) Commerce Lane - 73rd Avenue N.E. to Osborne Road (0.44 miles), (3) Main 5treet - 83rd Avenue N.E. to 85th Avenue N.E. (0.39 miles), (4) Benjamin Street - Rice Creek Road to Gardena Avenue (0.51 miles), (5) Jackson Street - 73rd Avenue N.E. to Osborne Road (0.50 miles. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unan= ,.� imously. Chairman Harris adjourned the meeting at 9:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Dorothy Ev nson, ecretary