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PL 07/19/1972 - 7417-- •_.___ _ � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING A G E N D A n JULY 19, 19i2 8:00 P.M. I CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANNING COIrIl�IISSION MINUTES: JUNE 21, 1972 RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: JUNE 27, 1972 RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: JULX 5, 1972 RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOMMIITTEE MINUTES: JUNE 29, 1972 RECEIVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE �ITF�S : JULY 12 , 19 72 PAGES 1-6 7-1.3 14-18 19-25 ��`3° � '1. jjPUBLIC H�ARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT �SP ��72-08� NAEGELE OUTDOOR 30-38 r� :,'.��ii`1i'�' ADVERTISING C0. : Parcel 1200, S� Section 22, zoned M-2. Sign gU to be 14'2"x49'9" to be parallel to railroad tracks, South of � T.H. ��694 and West of railroad tracks, per City Code 45.04,2. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT�SP ��72-09, BY NAEGELE OUTDOOR 37-38 r�DVERTISING CO.: Parcel 5400, Section 2, side by side paster, 39-42 12'x25' per City Code 56.04, 2. Located i940 University Avenue. �3. PUBLIC HEARING: _ PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. ��72-02, BY EINAR 43-47 � "TED" DOQSTAU �ALLED DORSTAD ADDITION: A replat of Lot 39, Revised �-� Auditor's Subdivision 4�77 except part to Greenwoo3 (Parczl 5640). '�`�~ r-- 4. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. ��72-03, BY DON A. SCHULTZ: Lots 1 and 2, 48-50 Block 1, Edgewater Gardens. 'To remove lot lina from under adjacent hoase for adequate side yar� requirement. 5. LOT SPLIT REQTJEST. L.S. 4�72-04, BY EDWARD E. COLEMAN rOR JOHN M. 51-56 METCALFE: Lot 16, except East 165 feet, Reyised Auditor's Subdivi- sion 4�23 - to split off South 5 feet of Lot 16. • 6. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. ��72-05. BY LAUREN �30RN: Lot 20, B�ock 1, 57-61 Spring Valley Addition to be split into four lots because of high taxes. :�r� 7. LOT SPLIT RE�U�'ST: I..S. ��72-06, BY MRS. MARION JOHNSOi�T: Lot I, b2-54 .��`j" '�i�9,� Block 2, Moore Lake Highlands. To gain one additional building site. ,_ ` - - `---- AGENDA: �PLANNING COMMISSION- Julv 19, 1972 PAGE 2 PAGES ^ 8. FINAL PLAN APPROVAL PHASE I(9 UNIT QUADRAMINIUMS) BY VIEWCON: 65 Condominium portion of total multiple unit complex on part of Outlot H, Innsbruck North being 1600 Block. �i/��- CONTINUED FROM MARCH 22, 1972 MEETING: LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. 66-78 �d ��71-08, BY CLIFFORD H. THOE: Lot 18, Block 2, Central View Manor (East 125 feet). Service station lessee wishes to purchase business part of property. Service station owner wishes to ret�in residence for his home.. 2,200 square feet. 10. .STUDY OF 40 FOOT LOTS IN FRIDLEY: Tabled from June 21st Meeting. 11. PLANNING COMMISSION DRAFT OF THE PROPOSED COMPREHEATSIVE MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN: . G�"�Z`w"'ev,, /0 � � a,��c4�c�- � G�Ufi� . _�.�.�. � %�� /'1 � /"\ � /'1 CITY OF FRIDLEY p�,,A,N�1�NG QpM�iISSION MEETING JUNE 2�, 1972 �AG$ � CALI, TQ ORDER: Z'k�e meeting was called to order at 8:05 P.M. by Chairman $rie�.son. Rp� t riembers Present: �iemb er Ab sent : Others Present: Minish, Erick�on, Zeglen, Schmedek� Fitzpa�rick Darrel Clark, Engiaeer�ag Assistant �ppgpVE PLANDTING OOI�4L[SSION MINUTES: JUNE 7, 1972 �hai.rman Erickson called $ttention to the Adjournmeat w��Ce k�� was gi.vsn C�4d�.� for adjourning the meeting. He had removed himself from the u��t�t�$ when Ttem ll came up (Building Permit for A-1 Motor Sports by Ms. Viaki. Skiglj, �� AUtes will show that Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick adjourned the taeetiAg. �AG?TiON by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the P.�ann�tng Con�,i.ss�c�n m�7.AVtes of June 7, 1972 be approved subject to the above co�'r�Ction. Upa�i a V'4iQ� qpt�� al� voting aye, the ntotion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOI�IITTEE MINOTES: JUNE $: 19 2 {MDTION by Zeglen, seconded by Schmedeke, that the Planning Couani�isi� ��e.iWe the minutes of the Building Standards-Design Control Sub�pmm.itte� Al��.�ri� q� �'uzle 8, 1972. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried �A��l�• gECBIyE BOARD OF APPEAI.S MINUTES: JUNE 13, 1972 ��ON by 1�linish, seconded by Zeglen, that the P1a�ning Cot�ss�tw7 �'eG��Y+6 th� mi.z�utes of the Board of Appeals •meeting of June I3, 199�. Upo�1 a vO�.Ge VC�tR. �� vat,.�r�� aye, the motion carried unanimously. �,. �U$LIC flEARING' SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP �71-(7b, LAxxx 1.. t�uurv�au ��wia��a�sv pETRpLEUM ; To permit U-Baul Rentals �er City Code 45.1Q1, $�4��AA �� -� located on . Lot 1 of Block 1, Fridley Indust�ial �ar1c Pl�t �. �.)'iAg �Toxthe�st Qf �iighwaq ii65 West Service Road. M�• ��r�7.� Ru�mael, attorney for U-Aaul, Chuck Beck, Aave Peter$on aAd th� ��,��Q��s� �,arry L. Lndfo�rd vere preaent. �, �1��t� of the proposed area and layout was used during tha d1��o14R• 1�. Rummel eaplained there were no aervice baqs on the exis�ing aC�►tip�, TQ �� {�e�� h�e land �ae zoned Industrial, there was a small mobile hpme p��1� �Q ��1� g�.�n�%g�,,,,Cot�mis,sion Meeting June 21, 1972 �aR� � � •��,'� �� Highway No. 65 to t'he East . The proposed area fox �b�s U��u�. �r'��'�� ,�Q�X6Q' and is set back �from the interior curbing 28 feet and WQL1�S1 �A8V6 &dAqti+�t� off street parking for th� station itsel,f. I� �. '�� '1�.i.aish asked why the station wanted the u-Hgu� ie�ntals, kj�� '�umrpe�. answered it was for economics. The p�e$�nt o�� has bet�A �i� �h'� ��tiq� rince tt�e first of the year. He had U-Haul xe�tal�4 at a px�'v�.ot�� sG�t�.P� �h,�t �� '��d operated. He felt it would be economically feasibl� tQ adc� t�� TT-K�:��. ��a�ls e�s an accessory income. '�x. ]�rickson asked the status of the U-Haul oa East Rivex Rctad a�d Q�bor�� '�p�d as he understood the permit had not been processed. I��. ��mmel said the franchise was granted but the dea1�� moved put Q� tOw� ,�,� �.h� �p�t�ny took over the station. They have nat found �'�ew 6�� A dis�ussion followed concerning the Clifford Thoe Lot Split a�.d th� p��blems cs��ted wiLh it. Mr. Clark was instructed to write a letter to M�. '�ho� �4A� ��r��.ng the status of the lot split and the U-Haul business at the C�ul� a'C�C�c?t� QA 7��'d Avenue and Central Avenue. Mr• Erickson asked if Mr. Ruamnel was familiar with the rezaning of �h� F�t�Ci�$+ Th.� Gouneil minutes showed that comments were made t�at this was �ot �h� u��a� ��gvi�� ation but a different type of service. It was to be a pxaduee s�tc�� ttd �� tat�.on. 1'i�at w�s the understanding the �ity had, and ��, pe�'�QA�I�y �►��r �p� �� p��sent use. ;�x, iriinish said that the convenience of the Superette for the jt�Q$1A iA 'kh� a��a �,n,d Locke Park was one of the major reasons for granting the T�e�O�t�� au+��: '�1,x, Schmedeke said he felt it was one of the cleanest statio�s ir� F��,��.�Y �t��l W,as a y�ry nice operation. They have a nice brick front, nice G�'ees p1��1��s� ��puxt,d and �.t surprised him to see this request. M�. AwDanel said that he didn't think an area of 20'x60' woulcl t�k� th� et��iQt1 �,qq�, 8lqppy, The station would be kept clean for ths neighborhood. He s�id t�4'� �� tha� �.� it were run propezly, having some U-Haul equip�nen� wi�11 t�}� eo'�"Y�� p�,�t�p� Wqu1d take any of the aesthetic value away from it. �, Minish asked if the petitioner would be willing to have �h� �'^H�� 4��A" �Ae�� screened both front and back. He was talking about the �taae kittd v� s��'+�sr�• �ng they had for garbage cans. What is in the enclosure Would be h1s� �'�AA vi�eW. $�,�t of the program was an open display for advertis�.ng purposea, �ad ��t�c� �� enough a�ound the perimeter of the storage area so �hat �►Qu c�m'� $�� wh�� .mei�le, �. Rumme� eaid the question was in his mind whether or t�ot �.� i++�t�ld b� S�c�� p��ble to have a high fence or a screen. The area would e�i�,�, b� Qj�+�14 �QW��d� �k�ie t��,ghway . 1�Ir. Ludfard said the station was laid out the way it is now whe�, hQ �p� �C� The storage fo�' the oil and for the trash can be covered, plapniag Comanission Meeting - June 21, 1972 ��g� � M�� Rupaael agaia explained the policy of the U-Haul peo�l� fQ� s��Y��$ �� ^ t��l��s ��d keeping the inventory down at the various stations an� �h��x �R1�0� G� g�p$��g a�tation if it was not kept up to theiT standards. He said th�t ��r �0� p� the st��ions, khe number of U-Hauls that could be �axked was detercpl��d b��pxR th� Fex'tnit was �ssued . ��, ��J.�n s�id he did not think the U-Iiaul renta].s would a�d to Cha� ��t#ot�. �;� �h��e �r�s �oom where the open space is, he would �noC pbjec� Lp it. �pT,�p�V by A�Iiriish, seconded by Schmedeke, that the Plannin� Gon�m��s,�W! C1Q�� 'k.i�� ,pt�b.��C ,��a��'i�ng for the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #92-Q�, ky ��'�'� �. ,��Cj (�j1amplin . Petroleum) to permi t U-Naul rentals on that pa,�t Qf �'� � r��k �� g,�,��j1�� T'�ctustrial Park P1at 1. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting ay�s, th� t�t?t�v�3 Cra�'xi�d t�nanatmously. • (,��;pan �+rickso� said that he finds it easy to have sympathy fax th� op�r�t+�r ,p� � a��,t�.qn Cha� Cati,not make out, but not if the petitionex pxop+��3es �s� �dd �9�� ,�$ �Q i� �p change the character of the atation. Mx'. Mi,�t�.ah said it always disturbs him not to see an artist's eQmCept Q� � �t�C�.Qt�, Iie would like to see a picture showing the U-Haul equipmeAt �c� g1+��e. Mr� �e$len ooncuxred 100x with the views expressed. He did no� b��.i�Y� h� woui� h�ave voted fox the rezoning if he had beea informed before it wvul�d be th�� op�r�tio�. �. S�hm�dake said that at the time of the rezoning, it waa b�'ou�ht Qut th�� t�� ^ sytp��tt� Wou�sl fill a neighborhood need for picnickere at the park ��d th� '�ei�hb�►�- hoc�d peopie. 7'he motion was based on the belief of the oWner o� th� ��liA� t3t��'�ot� Cha� thESy could make a go of it. �, Minish said this was a very nice clean area--there is nothi.Ag �titG�m� ��'Q�'�d= M�, ,Zeglen said the station came up with a really good plaa and i� �►�� +�pp�'QV��• �10�'IQ�V b�1 M.inisl�, seconded by Schmedeke, that the Planning �omm��C►� r��J�7:d ds�t�,i�l �o �h� �ounc�l foz' the reasons stated above of the requ�� 'o�' +� �,��.�� n� ��,��(;, SF' #72-06, Larry L. Ludford (Champ1,in Petroleum) �a ��'m�t U�Hstil ��,��, gp� ��y Code 45.1OZ, Section B, 3-E-1, located on that pa.�t c�t' Lpt ,lr B�IS�1� �� '�^�d,��y �t3Qlis�s�a1 Park Plat 1, lying Northeast of Highway #65 We�t ��°�`�f�� q,� � y�,�Ce vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimousl�a �, u8 #72-07) CONSIDERATION OF A 1� U�,'l 1V �1►ar.n�+ r� �=��u►i+ v�� y� •- - 4- - �. $WANSON (CASTLE 1�OBILE HOMES) : To operate a Mobile Home Sal�� I+O� �� 71�� '��5, #b�, ex��nd�ng the Special Use Permit granted �uly, �9651. ��pi��QA dut� ,iuly $� 1972. �t�, 1�8yt�Q1,� SwaA.eon was present and spoke in his own behalf $ayi�� 1�'�'� ��i�t �s p�,��,Rd �Q mak� a correction on the Agenda sheet. This requeat dQ1�� 1GC �AYt?;�Y+R� Q�t��t '�jQbile Homes. He is asking for an extension of the Specia� V�� q��#�'� �,A h�� r��• n �. Schmedeke asked if Mr. Swanson would not have to hav� a,t�eN 8p��+� �� '�� • ��,�.n,n� ommiss�on Meeting - June 21, 1972 F�g� � ��'. Claxk answered that it w�ul� not be necessary because, �pr ��t�� ►� 1� � ��,�,��$ ��+��ion were to change com��..., i,s, ti�� S�ecial Use Permit W9ti�,� p�il� �il �A R��'��t. Mx'. Swansan s�,id that this was Che former lot of Castle Mobile Hom� 5�� , �'��y �iav� moved further North. He would like to use the ].ot �t3 �t8 gr��itn't �,p��,�,�.�p� ��c� g�cupy � mobile home as a sales office as �n the pa$t. Ii� CG�tld �� ,� �� xovements. He would clean up the back ar�e� whi�� h+�8 $�G'w't1 up [�tith ��sl�, �i� gubp►t�ted a�lan showing the dimensions with 12 mobils hqme� V� �he ��.�f� �,p� �Fp��a�i�Ce1y 1Q feet apart. He would run it as an indepenc�en� op�r�tipA '* '��IP o�mm �p�x�t�or�. �, SWanson was asked to explain why �he Castle Mobile Home+� W�T'� $e�Tk�d C19��t' '�h6� 1� feet apart and on land that they did not lease. M7�. Sw�nson �ontinued that his connection with Castle was �b�� o� ju�t Wp�k1A� �Q� th8u� beg�,�i�it�g as general manager and being promoted ta Vice P�selde'�t abou� � y�� ,��, Originally Castle klobile Ho�s opened up in ,July of 1516� �Ad �t th�t t�p��, �� c� �o� have many mobile homes. However, this spr�,ng, tl�eres pexh�pe, w�� ,�� ien the lot was overioaded, but most of the time xhey ��ust 11ad C'h�u� �a �gg �, �,�y. �'he lot was open five months before he got there, He w�a t��t�� Qx � �r�� d �hen he went to the main office. Mr„ Minish said that at the time the application was made, i,t w�& �ox �1qv�1� �� M�. aw�nson said Castle had three lots and the pperation �o�c eac� was di�E�rent� � W#��r� Qae Iacation could not handle a certain number of homes, t�� t�om�� WOU�d b� pv4t p� �p��i�� .��. I� he found his business had growa after three y�a��t �le ws�u�� 16?Ak . �C� �1 ��Sa� area. �, Zeglen asked if he had made arrangements to rent the �.aad fq� �li�� '��a��3? Mx. Dot� Harstad, owner of the land, explaiaed that he is xiQd u}� w�.tk1 bu�1d�A� ��pj��te now �d for several years so that he can't think about bui�diag Qt� �hi� �aa�xa��t��.�x �,s�t fQ� awhile and he would like to see this land rented pR a t�t'�A y�� b��,�R �'t�is w�u].d giYe the young msn enough time to get himsetf $�a��ad �nd �.f �� OWa3 h� would want a larger lot. There was a three year limitatioa on t119 fi�c�C ��, A� t�;� �puncil �eting the decision was the applicant w�s to cotae b�►ck �tt ��}� Q�� q� three years for an extension. �airman Erickson said his understanding was that the propexty w0u�d �'�Y+�;t �� p �-1 unless ihe applicant reapplied. �►I�°� I�a��tad said that t�e has appreciated this rental iaGOm� ta �elp y��.th ths ��e��a�e�►t$ o�, this property for a storm drain, ereek, sew�r an� w��e� on t#1e �&ct&�t p� ��g p�q��y, The valuation was raised from $16,SOQ to $2�.�QQQ, �nas�au�l� �e '�!t �,�� o'�h�.�� . mind in the Yery near future, he would appreci�t� Cpns�de��L1C►t� 9R �k�� p�p�t �nd he would agree that he would not ask for anothe� e�t��t�aiqr� a� �1� ��c� p� ��s three years . �;. Swanson said that the hard surface an the lot is Clas� V wi.Ch �,1 p�l '��. ^ T�� $ �� old car there and a amall trailer the service man u$ed. $41I�� wQ�k h�� s� �e� do�n� ix� the �ront. • planning Commission Meeting June 21, 1972 — �'�� .,.. ��ixman �riekson said that the thing that bothered h�.m wa� Ch�t �&�t1� G33p� � �ti �S�i' � Sgec�a�. Use Permit to move the entire outfit out. Now ws woy��.d �a�v! tWo t�c��i�.�e hom� sales and a location where we have had nothing but ptoblems. �'ir. Swarison said he hoped to remedy the problems. Any stipu��t�ons ths �pur� p►�.ssio�l would wiska to put on, would be taken care of. He said �.�e�C� Wo��-d b�s t�t1 ��6�t between Cxailex'$ with a maximum of 12 uriits on the lo� �t one G��.m�* K�+ $�� p1�1d p,pt stand the blacktopping expense. The surface there nQw is vexy ha�d. It has AQt d�te�iorated at all. �� Niinish said the Commission has no assurance that Mr. Swt�uas�m W��l b� t�� p�,��,��a�. Mobile homes can change ownership. Mr. Swanson said th� Co��s�e�► �Q'�� p�,�'�� tipulation that it be� in his name. Mr. Minish said that once tbe IJse 1� �.t� L'�er�, it would be a permanent fixture. �'i�, G�.ark added that if the Planning Commiasion did recomw�nd Ch� e��ts�Q�l q�' Lh� Sp�� U�� e�t, it would be the proper use of th�s propez��y 14� ��'�� yq��, t�� ia �11 because the Code does not mention mobile �►ome sales i.n an� M-1 D;t�trict. M�. Harstad said he was not in a position to build and Mr. Sw�n�Ot� thought 1C WQU7�d b� better for the land to be used rather than seeing it vaca�t. Mx. Harstad continued that he felt it was a good decision �xou► an oveX�ll ��uqdpoi�.� of the City to allow Castle to come in. �hey did busiue8t5 W�-�h �vu►� °� �11� bu�3in�sa places including the bank. He was glad he was a�a�t pf g�tting G�t�tl� � �,p��d in� F�idley. He realized they had quite a few trailers, par�icula�ly �awarde t}�g gi��. I�� Aever heard any criticism from the City. He wquld like to �s�� I+4�r• $�a��on al,lowed to go in this lot and would be glad to hear any cx��lcieme 1� �l�e�'� �h�uld �►�, �nY, �, l�inish asked why there was not a public hearing. Chairmat�, �x�Clcso� ��i�4 �,� �ras because it was handled as an extension, but he did not think it �hot�ld• �. Glark explained that there is no Code that would �over this. �astle �$d �Q ��p�� their property and then ask for a Special Use Pexmi.t. 'M-l. u►i�ht hav� b��R t��.�'��n�t �� July 1969 as the new Code came out in November, 1969. Cvtui�il d�d nQt �a� G�� Special Use Permit be considered. They want to know whethe� or mat �h� �,p�pv�i,S��on wants to have this type of business on the property regardlese w�i�� 1t �� $Q��A (;ha�rman Erickson said the question is whether or not that [J�e� �a �Ctt��►l�y g��p�,��$ i�y a Special Use Permit in that zoning. If we rais� tha� questioA� �E�d �� s�� c�ipn is favorable, that particular discuesion being in the� �it�utea, w�ll make �L clear to Council the zoning is not appropriate for the Us�, bu� COU�icil �a� ��Ce �he decision on the permit. �F, ��g�en said he felt the Special Use Permit could b� extended for +� p�&iQ� Q� �h��s� y�ara to Mr. Swanaon. The land had been used for t�ai�.ex �a��a �h� '�+�t�E �� yQa�C� atis� whatever improvements were set up at that tim� �xe ��. tki�t�. �� ttc�d.Ox�topd Mr. Haratad had no special use for the land at thi8 titne. b�1� �}�d ��;�� p� �uture development. He could use the rental towards �aC�a�+��d ta�wp. � �lanni.n� �ommission Meeting June 21, 1972 �� (�'�pN by Zeglen that the Planning Commission recott�tend to C9��i$ �g�TGYA� /'\ p� ��q the Castle Mobile Homes permit which expires �uly 8, 19i� m�d t�h�� t�� .�mg 1ima.t of three years be set with the stipulations of tne oxi�.i�3�1 ��"�� R �t� c��p.1��'ab1� to the extension. The M4T.�ON died for lack of a Second. �pTION by Minish, seconded by Schmedeke, that the Planning Gomn'►.is,�14� �'ec4�►' ��tCI Cien�al to extend the 5pecial Use Permit, refearrin� to th� pe�'mit ��jP�gY�d by ��,� p� �Tu1y 7, 1969, by Reynold E. Swanson (SP #72-07) to o,per�te � Mob�,�A F�G�► ,��e,� ,�c1� �� 7151 T.H. No. 65 because it was the intent and understandiAg th�� a� t�je �r�d ,�f the three year operation Castle Mobile Homes would be ready tp �1AP� �Q � ,�a�ge�' s�te and that this 3ot raeuld revert back to an M-1 Use. Mx. �ar��g� 4��ta9 �Q,�r�eeted with Castle Mobile Homes during their occupancy. During that pC�t�pdAC�i q.�dexs and stipulations were ignored. As he stated, back in July 1�69 by �pyxAv,�,�� h� ,�969 permit we were encouraging other mobile homes operations, bu�k 'th.�s �VBi�,��9 �� ,�e.�� one of these lots was enough. The temporary Use of the property was a��'O� ,pr�.�te, bu� he felt c�t the time they should find a permanent site %�° Ghe 1p��v�1� i��q� � pt��e vote, Minish, Schmedeke, Erickson voting aye, Zeglen vc?t.�.7�g ri�� kh� �+p�,ip,n carried. ��. Swanson said that at the time Mr. Minish was talking abput, he had +�t� �q�tr�a� pf expenses and things of this nature. M�. Zeglen asked hop a Special Use Permit can be granted to one paxty at�d t10� �Q �o�ber. /'�, ��. Minish answered that he didn't think granting a Special UsQ Pern►it i� b�ndit�g gn gx�anting another. Mr. Sehmedeke said that one of the reasoas he objected ta this typ� �� Op�� t;Q� wa$ there was no tax base. He asked the Assessor if he had � way tQ �5�� ► p��ce, �€ he understood him correctly, Fridley gets next to np taxe� �A ��i��. ��.j��ense fee is paid to the State, but any business coming into the ��ty �hta�t�.d ��y ��e�� + ;�. PLANNING COMMISSION DRAFT OF THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE MUNiCIPAZ �]�v�%OpMENT $I.AN; �� Conti.aued to July 19, 1972. ADJ'QURNMENT s There being no further business, Chairman Erickson adjou�ned the 1�iCiA� �4� Q � 3� �.'�. Res ectfu ly submi.t�ed . * Haz 0 ria� • � Recording Secretary � �^ � 1. � THE MINUTES OF THE BOARll OF APPEALS MEETING Or Jt;NE 2% 1972 7.'�,� mee�ing was called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Minish. �FRS PRESENT: Minish, Crawder, Harjti, Wahlberg ��ERS ABSENT: Sondheimer QTI�RS PRESENT: Glarence t3elisle-Bnilding �nspector Chai�n Minish noted a cvrrection on page Z, pa�ragraph 3 of the ��Q I�: �g�� minutes; Planning Commission should be changed to City Council. MpTIqN �y Wahlberg ta approve the minutes of the June 23, 197� meeL%g a�e �na�a. Seconded bq Harju. Upon a voice vote, there befng no nays, the motion carried un8nit�nous ly , 0 FEET TO 5.2 i�ir. & Mxs• Fjetland were present to present the request. A verifying survey of the 1ot az�c� ��icture of the garage were ahawn to ti�e Board. M�c. �'jetland explained he lives on the corner of 7th Street and 59th Avenue. He sa�d he wants to convert the existing garage, which exits or�to 7th Street, intp a d�n�ng area as the kitchen in the house is small, and also he wants to build a double garage in the back yard which will exit onto 59th Avenue_ He w�2d tear up Ghe existing driveway and he�would alter the front of the existing garage to be �lust� With the front of the house. �, gjetland said they have a traffic problem at thia corner as the atap sign is ignored. The neighbors have a high hedge along the adjoining pPOperty line and there is a vioion problem in backing out onto 7tlz Street. T�te hedge also blocka ol�t �deing the childres: who use this corner to ca�gregate wi�il.e theg are going a�d cca��.ng from echool. The childrea walk aerosa the drive�rap area a�d he said i� is i�,ard for the person backing the car out onto th� street to s� th�. Mrs. Wahlberg asked where Mr. Fjetland would positic�► the p�po�8d �traga• 1!�x, F�etland anawered that it would be set back 25 feet fra�m 59t7� Aves►ue �xed i0 ��et fxom the rear Iot line. �T �royder a�ked what would be done first; the conversion os the new gsrage. He ��Q asked aho would be doing the work. �, ��etla�td said he would be doing half of the wark and contrae�iYCg oei� tt�e othE�x '��f. He Chought the garage would be built first. He added th� familp �o�xe� wil� i��ye beye� windowa and aliding g�ass dooxs, '�, �e�.isle ea�id that both permita, one for the comreraion and o�ie ��x t1�� n�w ��y�a��, Would be isaueal at the s�e time and the permita would be �aod fc►�c c►n� � ye�t�, He aaaea cct�8t ac�ording to tha State Building Code, no opeaing� in s t��i], " �� a�l'�crwed closer to the lot line thaa 10 feet and also that the wa2� of th� ��,�,�� l�Qisg the propertT line wou3.d have to be I haur fire rated. 7.'he Minutes of the Board of App�..�ls .1�� i., �f June 27. 1972 ,�'aS� 2 Mx. � Mrs. R. Landry, 5908 - 7th it.:�et, pruperty owners to the north� came ^ forWaxd to voice their objection5 t� tr�e variance. Mr. Landry said �� Fjet�.ands now have 4 cars that they park in the driveway and on the �Cxeet � and so�uetimes they have 5. The noise that comes from the cars comir�g in �.ate at a�ight, horns honking, t�enagers playing basketball aitd genera� com�aotion from the Fjetlands ie very annoyfng to them as their bedxAoms axe toward the adjoining property line. Ae added a�l of this doe$ bo�hex . t,�e� but they would rather put up with it than to reduce the area between acCu$1 livfng areas. 1�ir, Robert Heckes, 5916 - 7th Street, second house from the Fjetlands, asked if there was to be an actual structure change. Mx. Minish said there would not be. Mz. Heckes said they just m4ved in and they are prou� of their home but he did not like �the idea of having living area in one house being within 10 feet of the bedrooms in an adjoining house. He said the look of coatiauous 1ai.v3,ng axea from lot to lot gave a bad impreesion and it would depxeciate the �ooks of the area. l�r. Jerry Higgins, 5924 - 7th Street, said that backing their cars out on�a the street during the hours the children are walking to school is a safQty hazard to every kid at the crossing. It would be better to let t�i�n convext the �resent garage and let them build a garage that would exit onto 59�h Avenue. It will raiae the value of their house and it would be safe�c for the kidse He said his kids have to walk acroas the Fjetlsnds driveway whi��e th�y �"1 �7ce ,�ockeying their sars around, ao he was for th8 variance. �ix�t La,ndry atated she has asked the Fjetlsnds ta move their cara to �he ��de street as they block the view of the atop sign but they won't do i�, M�, Minish asked Mr. Fjetland how many cars they have. Mrs. Fjetland said 4; 1 is bers, 1 is �er husbands, 1 is her daughter�a t�nd 1 is her �ans.- Stte added they are all bra�d new cars. �Ir� Roge� Anderaon, 5873 - 7t& Street, said he lfves acros$ th�e st��ek f�'om � the Fjetl.ands and he can see no objectian to the vari�ce. He said the Fje�lands were very fortunate to be able to build a gsrage in their b�;alc yaxd. , �e �aid he Chought it ie better to see a h�use without a drive�way in C�t� ��ct�tt yaxd, �� ,�' jetland preseAted a letter to the Board, that wa� writ�en by 1�Jr. Ha�ctin Gampian, who in effect said the conversion would not depreciate the houe� in Che neighisorhood. � �, I,andry etated they thought the house� baing so cla�e �tas � bad p�i'�C wbert tbsy bou�ht their house but there were more good pointe to o�feeG iCt �, Landry preaented a petition to the Board that was signad b�r neigl�box� whc� Were oppoeed to the variance. /'\ �• � � ^ The Minutes Of The Board Of Appeals Meetinq Of June 27, 1972 Page 3 r..�.� �p��p�T by Crowder to receive both the letter and the petition. Seconded by Wahlberg. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motiQn a�t��ec� u�a�i.wously. j�IQTION by Crawder to close the public he� ing. Secot�ded by Harju. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried unan i.u�ous ly . �, Harju stated he felt this type of a variance is rather delicate as t.1ne�Ce are Cl�c�usands qf people who would Iike to convert their attached garage tu �dditic��la�1 liying area. He felt the Board ehould look at the requesta to find o[hex ways to �dd on the additional space. ��, �roWder asked if the lot was flat enough to add ontQ the back of the houee for the additional area. �, �jetland said it was flat enough but then they couldn't build a double ga�age, ll��rr, Cxc7wder said the Board does see this type of variance very often where pea��e w�xtt tq ga from a single garage to a double garage to antoid jockeying thei.r �ara. �n th�s ca$e there appears to be a problem between neighbors. He cont�.r►ued �11�� i� �, �je�land would compromiae and use windows that would not be openabls a,ctd +�l�minate the sliding glass doors, the neighbors might compromise and acc�;p� Gh� ysx�ance, 1�r8, Fjetland said she would not put windaws in that couldn't be open�ed. Mr�a. Wahlberg atated ahe could see the safety factor im�olved with the �edge, Ca�A and chil.dren. She 8aid there is a large number of cars imiolved hexe and �he wa+e most concerned with the poasibility of children being hit. �, Be�,isle said the City dcses not require that a car be parked ineide o� � g�rage, The Fjetlands could park their cars in the back ar aide yarde. H� added �hat �.f there is no mechanical ventilation, one half of the windawa hav� to be ysable. They could put up s red�ood fence off the sliding glass doora to aC�eszt �e npiee �rom the neighbors. '�I7e. '�i.�nish asked the F jetlands if they would be willing to go along wit�t +�n�r o� the ��,�+�arn$�e methade suggested. �, '��and said they want the`aliding glase doors and they did inte�nd �o �u� up �, ��iy��q fence. �. M�nish seked the Landrys if th� fence vould change their mind abau� tl}e Yas��RCe , ��, �dry said no. She eaid hnr children an aWakenod during the n�.gi�� beca�u�e� o� th� t�qise at thi� house. Sha aaid aha has aeked th� to seduce tht noi+�e o�' p��,p� pe�sketball, teenager� coming in at all hours of the night and harn� hQ��i.�aH ^ ��, ��e�r b�,yen't. She continued the garsga io uoed a� �iving srea �na�1 t�md iC �� p �1o�a �a their hauae. - �� The Minutes of the Board of Appeals Meeting of June 27. 1972 Page 4 n Mr. Crowder said there aeems to be ill feeling between the neighbars a�t�d it seea�8 to be an impasse. The Board has suggested alternatives but neither side ie �xeeab�e �o them. a. �IQTTON by Crowder to recomaend to the City Council denial of this var��ce. Seconded by Harju. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion ca�cxi�d vuna� imot�s ],p . 1rfOTION t�y Wahlberg, aeconded by Cravder, to waive reading the public he�;ring r�c�t�.ce, iJ�q� a vo�ce vote, there being no nays, the m�otion carried unanimously. Mr. 1t. Pfeiffer and Mr. Hokemier were present to present the request. A p�c�u�e Qf the type of sign and a map ahawing the location of the eign were shown ts� th� �aard. � �Ix�, Hokemier stated they propoae to put up two unita back to beck on the ra�lroad ^ right af way, west of the tracka and south of T.H. #694. The signs will haye changeable copy and be changed every 60 days. There will be 10 feet froea g7rade tp the bottom of the sign and 25 feet to the top of the sign. The signs will be �laced on 1 pole, 15 feet to the west of the tracks. Naegele has a lease with �u�lingtQn Northern to erect the signs. �. �iokemier said this ia tt►e standard size for paint bulletins. The co�y fpr t��se ��.gne can be shipped all aver the United �tates to ba used on tf�i.s s�.ze pa�t�e1. 1'here is 700 square feet of sign area on each side of the sfgn�. �a�.�man. Mini.sh asked if they complied with all regulations of the Feder�tl pxpgr�uq �� bi�lboairda. ` '�* Hakemier �aid they did. He added these regulations eliminate bil�,boards ot��y � u�in�co�rated areae. He added they can live with the Federa� and 3ta�e r.e�►�a��oa� yery well. �4 ��q►WCI�;z aeked if there was a smaller standard size of sign. �q i�'�ier eaid there is a 12 foot by 25 foot poster panel tteat is stap�tdard, '�'t�e8�t �i�gns are repapered every 30 days, and the copy can be ueed througi�quC �t� �J�i,t�d S��ee. The paint bulletine are ha�id painted in the plant. He e�c��ai��lad �sy woµ�,d �ike to erect the sign at this location becauee of tha traffi.a v�,�y. ',�t� ,�y�x�e businessman can have a paint bullatin made up and then ��at �h� a1g�n 1c�a�tt�o�►s around the 1�rin Cities area, and it givee him a chan�e tp baye m�r►x �eap�a oee hi� advertising. �, F � � The Minutes of the Board of Appeals icer..i „�Tf June 27, 1972 Pa�e 5_ ^ I�[r, Cz4wder said he understood that he signs were rented on a 60 day basis aztd �he bigger the sign the more money r::<:eived in rent but it is obvioue that Naegole can live within the Cities si.gn ordinance by using the poster par�el. Mx'. Hokemier said years ago a lease with the railroad was very hard to ge�, but now they seek us out as it is a lucrative business for them to have signs along theix entire tracks. He said it costs Naegele $25,000 to erect thie t�pe of s�g� and then they collect $875.00 a u►onth rent for each side of a sign, �."he rai�xoad gets $2;000 a year for each sign plus 20 per cent of rent. Naegele has about 260 paint bulletins in che 7 county market. This number at�ounts to about �/10 of all of their signs. �irs, Wahlberg asked how many more signs Naegele plans to put up in this area. �ix, Hokemier said this would be the end because they have to have 900 �eet of sepaxation between signs. Mx. Pfei,ffer said this sign will be illuminated with lights that throw light �ust on the sign and nothing el�e. Mrs. Wahlberg asked if the three signs across T.H. �6694 wexe Naegele's. Mr. Hokemier said that they were. Mr. A, Torrey, Midland Cooperatives, came forward to voice his objection to the sign, He showed the Board sketches �f the Midland Cooperatives building and �� th� xemodeling. Mr. Torrey explained his building is directly East o� the rai�aroad tracks. They plan to put thei� name on the building with plastic letters and '�e said �hat the Naegele sign would block off this being viewed from the freeway. �� antinued that with 400,000 square feet of floor area in thia buildin� which • re�xesents about $1,000,000, they would like to have the traffic see the bui.ld��g, He added the building can be seen very well from the free�way now. Mx. Crowder asked Mr. Torrey if hia company would be opposed to a 12 foot by 25 fpot billboard. 'i�ir, �prrey eaid they would be opposed to it if they had the chanc�. He �sai�d �h��► wou�d prefer�to see no sign at all but they would prefer the smaller again�s� �he �,ax'$Q�, �ypTIQ�1 by Wahlberg to close the public hearing. SecQaded by Harju. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion caxTied ur�a�imous ly . �w �rowde�c said he eould eee economically why they vanted to go fx'crp �UQ �c�µa�� ee�� 0 70Q aquare feet but he eaid he wae not comiinced tha addit�,q�a�, �►0(? I�4u��'& �ee� �,� necessary. He said he would just as soon not eee the extxa �Qq��e� '�� H��u �aid he couldn't see that much of a hardahip. 300 squas'e ��e� �t� �he �o��t and he said in his mind, he found it hard to justifq the vari.anqeR /'� � 3, � �� The Minutes of the Board o� Appeals Meetin� of June 27 1972 PaAe 6 i�xs. Wahlberg said she had to agree. She felt a variance from 300 square feet to 70� &qu�� fs�t was quite a lot of leeway on a variance. Chairman Minish said he agreed with the Board. He added this billboa�d �� $Q�� to the Planning Commission for a Special Use Permit and if the Specia� Use �es�q�� s approved by Council, the Council could still grant the variance in equa�e �ootage. MOT�ON by Wahlberg to recommend to the City Council denial of the varia�C�. Seco�ded by Crowder. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motio� carried unani�ously• �{qTHM�A,N�,386 LONGFELLOW STK��:'r tv.�. , 1'K1LLbI , r��i��.�.J�� Q�TQN by Wahlberg, seconded by Crawder, to waive the reading of the public heaxing �p��.ce. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried unanimausly. �x. � M�s, Kothman were present to present the request. A verifying sux'vey of Ch� �at� a�nd pictures of the dwelling were shown to the Board. ��.eCt�r of no objection from Mr. A. Canton, adjacent neighbor, wae xece�ved i�n �h� t�ai.l , MO'��ON b�► Cxowder to receive the letter af no objection from Mr. A. Ganton. �ecanded by Wahlberg. Upon a voice vote, there bei�g no naya, the mptiQ� cars'ied una�imous ].y , _ �r Ka�ha►ar� stated he wants to add on a 14 by 22 foot addition onto the ��a�C c�� t'�� hpuse, �'he house is 5 feet from the property line instead of the req,uj.r�d 1Q ��t �d Mr, �Cothman explained he wants to follow the houae line. He said �Q se� Ctte addiCion in the required 10 feet would leave 5 feet of dead epace. �e, Kothm,an explained Mr. Canton hae an attached garage that would be 15 ��et fs�a► �hei.� �ddition. He said the addition will be used for a bedroom and a fami.ly 7coc�m• �� wi�,�. also be putting a fireplace in the basement under the aci�i��iQn, �% eaid h� j��a (+ �1�ildren and they need the edditional ronm but hs does not wan� to ru�.�1 C1�� p�ea�Can,�� o� the house. �, Iia�c�u �tate� that the Board requires fireproofing on anything closer �t�ax� 1Q ��C to the property line. He asked Mr. Kothman if he had planned to put �ny y�ndct�,is Qn the addition wall facing the Cantons . Mr�S, Wa,�ilberg added that the fireproofing would have to continue a�Cpµnd th� co�'n�'� �� ddi��ion also and thia might eliminate the windowe that Mr, Kq�htnan bad /'y, ��t��ed �a �na tall , �, �{p�hman aaid he did plan on putting in 1 window on the �tall fac�,ng �he C��Q�}� �;� ��,�p �pme on the back of the addition. �. �� Th�e .Minutes of the Board of Appeals �eetir�� of June ?�, 1972 Yage 7 � ��. Be�isle said the window would havt t.� be ruled out because of the Fire Cod� as � window has little f.ire rating. Flc�. �dded th.�t 10 per cent of the flo�r area is �p equ�l the light area provided. �ere wa� a discussion on the possiole placement oF tt1Q windows aiid the f�replace c� �.uaxey . �x, Belisle stated Mr. Kothma,n could move the addition in 5 feet and ba�ically c�o whaC he wants . Mr. �Cothman did not have an exaet location for thc: windows or the fireplace. �r. Crowder said it sounds like some of the things that the Board discussed, like ��xe�aroofi�ng and light area, are new to Mr. Kotl�man. He added that i�f Mr, Kothman wa,r��ed to talk these items over with his wife, the Board could table the item �nt��. the next cneeting when he would have a definite location for the windows a�d defi,�ite plans for what he will be doing. �1�, Rptjzman said he understood what was involved. Mr, Crowder said the neighbor does have 2 garages but tlre one that is attached �ou�d legal,ly be added on another 5 feet. The neighbor shouldn't have any reaso� �p bu�.�.d toward �he lot line but granting this addition could restrict him. �O�IQN �iy Crowder to recommend to the City Council approval of the va7ci�ax►ce with fihe �g��,owing stipulation: The addition will conform to all necessary fixe � Pxo�ectipn, not only on the west wall but also on the south wall. �ixs; W��bexg said she would like to see the item tabled to see if Mr, Ko�hman ��n cp� up with a plan to conform more to the Code. �. Har�u stated he felt the hardship is the need for additional space anSi th� ��yput o£ the house ma.kes it the most feasible plan but you can draw up different p�,��,� �p meet the Code. The plan that meete the Code might nez havg eve�cy�hing �� p��r�o� desi.res but it would meet the Code. ��, Wahlber� added the neighbor does have the right to also tear do�m ti�� eacistit�g �� a�d build closer to the line. �� oy�der withdrew hia siotion. �,jQ'��Q� by Wahlberg to table this request until the next meeting. ,�e�v�d�d by i�arju. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the aa�iq� ca��i,�d ° u�an��siy. . � •� � � �� ',�y'�,� t��f,ng was adjourc►ed by Ci�airman Minish at 10:00 P.M. �j,e��t�1� submitted, �� G : �'I� , � '.'` �4�c, �e��'3► _ J � 1. C1�.1► cs� Frf.�iY�y Z°HE I�iINUTES OF � BOARD OF APP�S �ETI�Pd� �� , �� The meeti.t1g was called to order by Chairman �Iinieh �t 7:30 i� .A�i, MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: OTHEI�S PRESENT : Minish, Crowder, None Cl�rence Belial� Harju� Sondheimer, Wahlberg m �it�i�ding ��g�ct�� MOTION by Yiarju to approve tlxe minea�� f ��a� .��an� ��y �.'9i� ��ng as �itteno Secon�d � Crowder. U�� a vaic� votefl �fln��e P�ei� n� �� e� �tion carrf�d unanimauslyo . Mro � Mre. Ko�t3iman we�e prese�t to pres�nt ti�� a ��g� of �h� p�rmposed addition and general iagrout of ti� existiaig �ielliag �� Il�� he Bo$rdo C�sirman Minish expl�ineal this �qu�s� had heen tab�� go a��r the K,ot'h�ns to come up with a more de�i.ait� plan. Mro Kothman said he h�a �nore or less the same pian but it f� �are specific. He said as far as the loolcs of the house, they feel this is �t� be�t way ta go ( 5 feet f�om the property linejo � Mrs. IGothmaa said if they a�ove ttie addi�ion ove� 5 f�t to �eet the Goda„ C�ey wouldn't have �QOm to ge� i.nta the family �°�m f�e� t�+� �c��xag duorway. She said wit� the existing house I�gos�t, �I� ia �he oni�r wa�y t� adrl on. l"� Mr. C,mtoa, 4�2 i.ongf�Ilaw� �dj�e�nt g�cag�ctg �reeer� c� fQ�cws�'d and eaid h� had �o objectioa to �he additi�, ia fact, he w�Id 1� ta �ee the acldition put ono Fle �sid his ga�age ia 1�D g�ee fro� e� ��gi �ad ss Icyr� as iEe Iivee there he srill �ot be adding o$ta th� garaga. i�e �3�8 8te use� ft for sEo�rage a�f his 1�m �quipmen� now, and Li� ��rs 1� �ar� in �f� �r gs�ge. Chaizman l�finish etated that if his �ous� was so�d� � cvaid be i�ti�� a� to be wiEhin 5 feet of t�e lia�� Mr. Csr�to� �t�ted he d�da't �hh� t� b�lding f�apectog would alla� anybady to �ild ontc thi� gu�ge as �� Cnd� na�to If u�rbody Wanted ta buil,d ant� the �cse, ��3� ��cu�c� �b% b�il� �a�d ths �est, Ha said his nn� garsg� is 2+� f�t i� 36� €�e�, ba� if � wae�acl more g:ragtx room, tiies� ia �cs�om to build on� �f� �ats�geo p�r. Cro�wdas eaid it does �e�a zanlikel� ffi�t �� ild ciasar Co tb� line on this prap�rty, bat ths d�3.aace would ba �stric�#� this 2at. ?lrs. iiaitlberg �ked i€ marf�g tht additfc�: c�nres �rould cave�r uey of tize kitchan Windaws. . � /'\ 2. /'� /'1 �� The Minutes of the Board of Appeals Meetin� of July 5, 1972 � Page 2 Mrs. K�oth�an �aid tt�e sketch ien`t dra�m to scale but the wfndawa would have to be moved if tha a�diticm was moved aver S feet. 1'�QTION by Cxawder ta close the public hearing. Seconded by Sondheimer. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motio�► car'ried unaaimously. l�rs. Wahlberg eaid she is bothered by the cloaenese of the atructures, but since the new garage on the adjoining lot is quite large and that house could be built on without coming toward the adjoining property line, she could vote in favor of the variance. Mr. Harju said the Boaxd should not be loaking at the lot next door but just on thia lot. The Kethmane could change their plan to meet the Code. Mr. Crowder atated his positian hasn't changed since the last-meeting. MUTION bq Crowder to reco�nend to the City Council, approval of the variance with the follawing etipulatian: The addition will conform to all the necessary fire protection, not only on the west wall but also on the south wall. Secanded by Wahlberg. Upon a voice vote, Harju voting nay, the motion caxried. Mr. ltobert Tichey waa pre�ent to preaent the request. I�TION by iJahlberg, sacandad by Soadhei�ners to waive the raading of the �ublit hearing natits, iTpon a vai�s vot$, there baing no �ays, the nntion ca=ried unanimou�ly. Mt. Tic�eg e�xpLinad �e x�ts to encloee aa existing roo#ed p�tio. �ere is an existing ceo�nt slab �rit� partial footiaga and tbt ha+isa roof �ctends aver it. The gar�tge ia pffset in back from the hc�e. HE said the patio ia approximately ,� �eet fsom the proparty line and there ia approalmately I3 f�t betwean structuret. (Tt►ara was no verification ansvey} Tt►e addttio�c wauld hsvra the sa�re siding an �.� a� tha exiating hause, �r� Ball.ule a�i$ tha contzactor bad talked ta hi� �bout �►i.3 cx�a�ructian but he parsonally has act been o�rer to s�e if thars are faotiags u�r 3�e �lab. Mr. �ici�e9 said tbag vant �iidit�g ;iass doors at the bs�t a�ui : fissplaca ix� t.�M �'':'' : additian. �r. �arju asked if ths fir�� ru�s ��d apply ta tiii� ca�ia�. � The Minutes of the Board of Appeals Meeting of July 5, 1972 PaAe 3 Mr. Belisl� eaid yes it would. There would have to be a com�lete fire�wall on aay portion of the addition that is 10 feet or closer to the lot liae. There can'� � be any openinga withi� this 10 feet. i�7c. Crowder asked if there wae a hedge or fence between the tWO Iots. M�, T�.ch�y answered there was a cyclone fence. He added the neighbors garage ts next to the line. He said he talked to the �eighbor and he has no objectione to the variance. Mr. Sondheimer asked what the grade separation wae between the patio floor and ti�e garage floor. Mr. Tichey said he did't know exactly. Mr. Sondheimer said the living area floor has to be higher than the garage floor. • Mr. Belisle stated the Code sets a minimum of 6 inches between living area and garage floors. He asked if the patio floor was raised, would there be adequate , ceiling height. 1Kr, Tichey said he did plan on raising the sof€it, so he thought he would have adequate height. Mx. Harju asked why he wanted the addition. �c, Tichey answered he wants more living area as he has 5 children and this seems the most likely candidate for adding on living area as there ie a roof there /'1 a]�xeady . Mra. Wahlberg aeked if they plan on addia� on another patio. Mr. Tichey said yes they do. Mr. Crowder aeked how old the ho�e is and when wauld canstruction begin if the var�axlce was approved. Mr. Tichey said the honsa is 7 ysa�cs old and his contractor Wsated to star� around the end o� July. 'M=, Crowder stated ha would like to have more actarat� measure�ents �etveen structureb and bet�+esa the addition and the lot line, Mr, H�rju aaked hvW the a:iditiea vould be heated. I�r. Tichey �sid he plsimed on usi;►$ electric heat. �. Sondheimer said he �ould be in favor of having a verifying au:vey. Mr. Beli�le etated the fireplaca aould onlp extend into s required eide yard 2 feet io in this caae it Wfluld have to atay 8 feet fr an the property line, 1'his xsqu��e�nt ie more for tha smi��ion from the firaplace rather than the �tructura �t#el#. Al�a, tha fireplace �ould haira to have its c�an faotiuga, so it could ^ mot b� bailt on tha existing siab. R' � � � The Minutes of the Board of Appeals Meeting of July 5, 1972 PagQ 4 Mx. Miniah stated that if the fireplace is to remain where propoaed, it wi,�l iec�utre another variance. r� M�c. T�chey �said he might have to reconsider putting the fireplace i�. Tk�e 1�,yin,� epace is more important to him than the fireplace. �ir, Sp�ndheimer stated he would prefer to table this request until a survey is obtaix►ed. As far as what was submitted to us, it is far tooeketchy. He said hs would want to base his deciaion on actual dimensions and the distance to �he lczt Iine would make a difference. _ 1�7�. �iaxju said he agreed, as he felt it was not aut of order for the Board to require actual measurements. MpTION by Sondheianer to table this requeat until the spplic�nt can aubmit; a verified survey showing actual measurements (dimensiona between atructures amd a dimension from the lot line to the corner of the addition), the grade separation between floors, a plan shawing firewall location, fireplace location, ge�eral layout of the addition, and also have the Building Inspection� Department t�e �o gictures of the distance between stnictures and what is existing and �xo�?osed to be enclosed. Secanded bp Wahlberg. Upon a voice vote, there being no naye, the motion carried ua�an�,mous �y . �ra, Wahlberg left at 8:45. � • 3, A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 45.053, 4A, FRIDLEY CITY CODE. TO REDRJCE � � , , 1�ION bY Crawder, seconded by Harju, to waive the reading of the public heari�g �otice. `� �1r, Frisbee was present to present ti�e request. He preeenEe� Zettera of no objection from the property ovnere on either side of his lnt. �TIAN by Crawder to receive the two letters from Mr. Wayne H�anson, 170 - 63� Way and k�r. � Mra. Donald Meapera, I46 - 63� Way. � Sescq�ded by Sondheimer. Ugan s voice vote, there being �c naqe, the taartio� ��xti,ed unanimouslq. l�z�, F�isbee stated he wants to move the garage farward tv 1ia`r�a the roo� c{ave� ti�� exieting porch. He said he would also iike to change th� atppe�r�n�e a� the �qul�� aa the housee ue similar in this area. �►�r. Qrowder aeked vhy the gar;ge couldn't be flush With the front of t�e �vu�� d�ld lCi.ck aut the 4 feet fran the back of tUe ho�ae. �, ��abee aaid there is no reason other thaa cwering the front po�at�. � �� The Minutes of the Board of Ap�s Meeting of Julv 5, 1972 PagLe 5 _ M�r. Haxju said the garage could be aet back the 4 feet and still have the xoof cc�me out to cover the �orch and have the same effect of changing the appearaa�ce ^ of the house and this way it would not need a variance. I�'1pTTON by Sondheimer to close the public hearing. Seconded �y Crawder• tlPo�n g voice vote, there �eing no nays, the motion carried uaanima�slY• Mx'. �rowder said �here is basicallg �o har�ip, a� it is passible ea go into the back yaxd. Tt:e bouses are similar i� this �ea az�d i€ �ld be niee to be diffexent but he felt h�e �Id Iike to see sc�e ao�t o€ hards�ip< 1�rR Harju said he agreed. �est�►eti8t �� a �ost�and byrstayingnwithin theCOdeo Tiie same effect conld be obtsinads MpTION by Crowder to �eco�es►d to Council deais� �f the vaEiaa�e since there are man,y alternatives available and a true haxdahip is not apparent. The etyle of house can he modified within tfie Cods. Seconded by Cr�der. Upc�rc � voice vote, there be�8 a� �� e motiot� carried unastimous Igr . ADJOUR�: The meeti�g was adjouxned by C�aix°man Miniah at 9:15 P.M. Rea�ectfully submitted, /`1 � � M�tX FI� ,g�Z�tR7C� `' `_ �1 --- --- n ' �9 . BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCONl�TtTTEE MEETING OF JUNE 29, 1972 The meeting ��as called to order by Mr. Tonco at 8:20 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT: Lindblad, Tonco MEMBERS ABSENT: Zeglen, White, Simoneau OZ'HERS PRESENT: Peter Herlofsky, Administrative Assistant Mr. Tonco noted that there were only two members present which does not constitute a quorum. Mr. Lindblad and Mr. Tonco agreed to review the plans submitted so no hardship would be created for anyone. The City Council can either accept the review of these two members or request that the plans be resubmitted to the �uilding Standards-Design Control Subcommittee when a quorum is present. Mr. Tonco asked that approval of the minutes of the June 8th, 1972 meeting be postponed until the next meeting. 1. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING ON LOT 1, BLOCK 4, CONIMERCE PARK ADDITICN, THE SAME BEING 7580 CONIMERCE LANE N E, FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432. (REQUEST BY BALCO BUILDING SYSTEMS 2809 WAYZATA BOULEVARD, MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA 55402) (Gazda Moving Company). Mr. Stan Beckstrom, Mr. Ken Gazda and Mr. Ron Gazda were present to ^ present the request. Mr. Beckstrom said this request was for the first unit of construction which will be a 90' x 120' industrial building to be used for a moving and storage business. There will be future expansion at which time the building will be doubled in size. Mr. Ron Gazda said it would be a maximum of three years before they expand. Mr. Tonco asked how many trucks they have in use. Mr. Ron Gazda said they have (8} eight large trucks plus some small trucks. They will have only one entrance at the present time for both the office and truck entrance. This will be on Commerce Lane. After they expand they may make a second entrance off Osborne Road unless the �ne entrance proves to be sufficient. Mr. Tonco said there should be a 10' radius on the entrance. Mr. Beckstrom said all the blacktop area will have a poured 6"x12" concrete curb except the west side of the blacktop. As this blacktop area will be expanded when the building is expanded, they want to use precast ,concrete curb. This was satisfactory to the Board members present. Mr. Beckstrom said there will be a curb and crushed rock around the building. Mr. Ron Gazda said they will sod the permanent areas and will seed where the future expansion will be. Mr. Beckstrom said they didn't intend to disturb any more of the undeveloped area than they had to as there was � grass cover there now, but they will seed a7,�, the disturbed areas. /'� /''� /'�, �� Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of June 29, 1972 Page 2 Mr. Aerlofsky stated our ordinance says you can park vehicles in the rear yard if not visible from the road. As this is a corner lot, we would like some screening along Osborne Road. Mr. Herlofsky asked if they would agree to planting some trees. He suggested a minimum of five trees. He said if they were planted now that by the time they expanded, they would be large enough to provide screening. Mr. Beckstrom and the Gazdas present agreed to this. Mr. Beckstrom said the exterior of the building will be scored block with break-away block and monopanel trim. The north side of the building will be a curtain wall so it can be moved when they expand. Mr. Lindblad asked if the block will be painted. Mr. Beckstrom said it would be. Mr. Tonco asked what facilities they would have for the storage of trash. Mr. Ron Gazda said they didn't have too much trash, mostly damaged cartons. He said they stored the trash inside now and�wouldJ probably store it inside in the new building until they expanded. Then they intend to have a 6' x 1 2' outside enclosure for trash. Mr. Tonco asked if the drainage was any problem on this property. Mr. Herlofsky said Mr. Beckstrom should check with the City Engineering Department and have the drainage worked out with them. Mr. Liadblad asked about security lighting. Mr. Beckstrom said they will have mercury vapor lights installed on the building and they will install yard lights when they expand. MOTION BY LINDBLAD to recommend to the City Council approval of the request to construct a cammercial building with the fo3.lowing stipulatioas: 1. 10' radius on driveway entrance. 2. Sod east side of property. 3. Seed disturbed areas on north side of property. ' 4. Plant minimum of 5 trees on property abutting Osborne Road. 5. Precast curb can be used on west edge of blacktop area. Seconded by Tonco. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. , � 2. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN OFFICE BUILDING TO BE 'LOCATED ON PA.RCEL 6600, SECTION 12, THE SANIE BEING 6970 CENTRAL AVENUE N.E. FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432. (REQUEST BY LUND-MARTIN COMPANY, 3023 RANDOLPH N.E.. MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA 55418). (MEDTRONICS. INC.) Mr. Robert Plumley of Ellerbe Architects was present to present the request. .. _<Y �. . ��, r+-.__._ �a■ ' Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of June 29, 1972 Page 3 ' � This request is for a 260' diameter circular building that wiil be used for an administrative and office building. When it is completed � it will have six stories. Only two stories will be built now. They are also requesting a foundation permit so they can begin construction on August 1, 1972. They will submit the additional plans and specificiations as they are drawn up, to complete the building. The exterior of the building will be in bronze tones. It will be brick and xeflective glass and will feature a center court. They are expanding their parking facilities and have further room for expansion of these facilities so space for parking is no problem. MOTION BY TONCO to recommend to the City Council appro�al of the request to construct an administrative and office building as presented. 3econded by Lindblad. Upon a voice.vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. _ _ 3. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A BUILD�NG SITPPLIES BUILDING MART TO BE LOCATED ON LOT 1, BLOCK 4, GUNDERSON TERRACE ADDITION, THE SAME: BEING 7421 CENTRAL AVENtiE NORTHEAST, FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (REQUEST � BY KIEMELE-CRISPIN CORPORATION, 6820 OAI�EY STREET N.E., FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432). Mr. A1 Kiemele was present to present the request. This was presented to the Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee on April 20, 1972. The only big problem was the parking. Mr. Ki.emele said they have reduced the size of the building so they will be able to have the additional parking and the reduced size would require less parking. Mr. Herlofsky said that the code required 24 parking spaces for the size of their building aow, They have twenty spaces drawn oa the plot plan and four or more would be available if they are needed. Mr. Kiemele said they had made all the changes on their plan that the Building Standards Subcommittee had stipulated at the April 20th meeting. i�tOTION BY LINDBLAD to recommend to the City Council approval of the request to construct a building supplies building mart and to include the minutes covering the original request of April 20, 1972 in these minutas. Seconded by Tonco. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion � earried unanimously. � ,. _c� , r�,� , � Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of June 29, 1972 • � � ' Page 4 � Exergt from `" '"� ' Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of April 20, 1972 3.CONSiDERATION OF A REQi.TFST TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING MART (RETAIL STORE � $UILDING) LOCATEb ON LOT 1, BLOCK 4, GUNDERSON TERRACE ADDITION, THE SAME BEING 7421 CEIv�RAL AVENUE NORTHEAST, FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA, (REQUEST BY KIEMELE-CRISPIN CORPORATION, 6820 DAKLEY STREET N,E „ FRIDLEY, � ��is��wttse..�.n. • �r�r i �n�n ♦ � . Mr. Don Crispin and Mr. A1 Kiemele were present to present the request. Mr. Riemele said they are general contractors who have owned this prop- erty for five years. They construct 15 to 20 houses a year. Their business prompted their decision to use this building mart to retail light building supplies such as dimension lumber, paneling, and builders hardware. Mr. Rerlofsky asked how many people.they will employee. Mr. Kiemele said� ao more than five but they would start out with three employees as Mr. Crispin and himself would be in and out also. Mr. Herlofsky noted they had the plan marked for employee parking in the rear of the property but the parking spaces weren't drawn�on the plan. They probably had room for five parking spaces for employees and ten parking spaces in the front of the building for customer parking. This gives then a total of l� parking spaces but the size of their building made the parking re- quirement 30 parking spaces. Mr. Kiemele said they thought they had adequate parking for the type of business they planned, but they do own the adjacent property and if they found they needed additional parking, they could provide parking there. Mr. Tonco said we wanted a 10' radius on the entrances. Mr. Crispin asked if the curbing had to be poured 6"x12" concrete curb. Mr Toneo said this was a requirement around all blacktop areas and the employee's parking area required the same. Mr. Tonco asked about the sidewalk, Mr. Crispin said it would be 8' 'wide . The exterior of the sales area of ttie building will be stucco or pre- finished white panels with rough sawn cedar with batten trim. The roof .will be machine shakes with aluminum flashing trim. The warehouse area will be scored block. Mr. Tonco said.all exposed block had to be painted. Mr. Crispin and Mr. Kiemele were asked about a screening fence on the xear of the property. They said they would install a 6' redwood fence. Mr. Tonco asked about the disposal of trash. Mr. Crispin said they would /� have an outside dumpster. Mr. Tonco said if any trash gathered around the dumpster he would want them to screen•the side facing the street. _4 _ � c� � x� �--' �--- � Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of June 29, I972 � Page 5 EXERPT FRdM Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of April 20, 1972 (Continued) Mr. Zeglen asked for an additional security light on the South side of the building. Mr. Herlofsky said any sign requires a separate permit. MOTION BY TONCO to recoumiend to the City Council approval of the request �to construct a building mart with the following stipulationst 1. Blacktop all parking areas. 2. 6"x12" poured concrete curb around all blacktop areas. 3. Sod areas around blacktop. 4. Install s ecurity Light on South side of property. � ALSO, parking that is shown oa plot plan is inadequate according to zoning ordinance. They should present to Council an alternate plan where they could provide additional parking on�the lot to the Sonth if they should need it. Secanded by Lindblad. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye the motion carried unanimously. _ _ _ _._ .___. _._ _ 4. CONSIDER.ATION OF A REQiTEST TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ONTO AN EXISTING CO1rIl�fERCIAL BUILDING LOCATED ON THE NORTH 95 FEET OF I;OTS 14 AND 15_z BROOKVIEW ADDITION, THE SAME BEING 6875 HIGHWAY 4k65 N.E „ FRIDLEY MINNESOTA (REQUEST BY MRS. CAROLYN MINDER, 6875 HIGHWAY �k65 N.E.i FRIDLEY. MINNESOTA). (SUBURBAN ENGINEERING . Mr. Bob Minder was present to present the request. Mr. Minder said this was a two story addition of 44' x 30°. At the present time they will only finish the second floor for office space. They have no plans at the present time�to finish the ground floor and will only use it for the storage of trucks. Mr. Minder said they will be planting pfeitzers and green ash trees, the same as they already have on the property. � He said the outside walls would be sheetrock and panels. The deck and J' roof will be spancrete. Mr. Tonco asked if the addition would have the same exterior as the present structure. Mr. Minder said they were • painting the entire building so it would all be,the same. � r,.° �� ; Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of June 29, 1972 � Page 6 � Mr. xonco asked about the storage of trash. Mr. Minder said they were go�ng to use a dumpster and the trash would be kept outside of the building. He said they didn't have much trash and trying to store the dumpster in the building would be an inconvenience. Mr. Lindblad asked about security lights. Mr. Minder said they have flood lights on the building. These will be on the expansion when it is finished. Mr. Minder said these lights would not shine on the resi- dential area. __ _ _ _ _. _ A�TION BY TONCO to recommend to the City Council approval of the request to construct an addition with the stipulation that the plantin�g of green ash and pfeitzers be planted as noted on the plot plan. Seconded by Lindblad. Upon a voice. vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 5. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ONTO AN EXISTING COMI�RCIAL BUILDING LOCATED ON THAT PART OF THE W3- OF N,E. OF S.W, OF SECTION 14 AND THAT PART OF THE REES ADDITION TO FRIDLEY PARK AND VACATED ALLEYS IN SAID SUBDIVISION DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWSo BEGINNING AT A POINT ON THE N; LINE OF SAID W,� OF N.E. OF SaW, �- DISTANT 30' W, � OF N.E. CORNER THEREOF• THENCE S, AND PARALLEL WITH E, LINE THEREOF A DISTANCE OF 194' MORE OR LESS TO THE S. LINE OF LOT 1 BLOCK 2 REES ADDITION TO FRIDLEY PARK S&ID POINT BEING THE S. CORNER OF LOT 1• THENCE W. ALONG THE S, LINE OF SAID LOT 1 AND 22 A DISTANCE OF 179.3'• THENCE N. AND PARAI,LEL WITH E. LINE OF SAID No LINE• THENCE E. TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING. SUBJEC� TO EASEMENT OF THE N. 33' THEREOF• FOR ROAD PURPOSES AGCORDING TO U.S. GOVERNMENT SURVEY. THE SAME BEING 370 MISSISSIPPI STREET NoE, FRIDLEY MCNNESOTA, RE UEST BY BRUNKOW MUSIC 370 MISSISSIPPI STREET N.E. FRIDLEY MINNESOTA, Mr. Dean Brunkow was present to present the request. Mr. Brunkow stated they were in great need for space so they really needed this addition. The additon will have a brick front. The remainder of the addition will match the existing building which will all be redone at the same time. The existing building has a stucco finish. Mr. Tonco asked about the proposed paxking areas. Mr. Brunkow said he would be unable to complete the parking areas on his plan at the same time they were constructing the addition. He though be able to do it the following spring. Mr. Tonco said he will have to install poured 6" x 12" concrete curb around all blacktop areas. Mr. Brunkow said he didn't know if he could complete all this by the spring of 1973. Mr. Tonco said they didn't want to make a hardship � � . __ , ' �5 r-- �____._. � � � Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee Meeting of June 29, 1972 Page 7 for Mr. Brunkow, so would he be willing to post a performance bond for the blacktopping and curbing for a two year period. This would mean that Mr. Brunkow would have until the spring of 1974 before he had to complete the site improvement. Mr. Brunkow agreed to this. Mr. Brunkow changed some of the parking area at the rear of the building to a sodded area as he didn't think he would ever put parking in this area. Mr. Brunkow intends to install a sidewalk on the front agd north side of th� building. He said he would want to install the sidewalk sooner than the balance of the site improvement. Mr. Tonco said Mr. Brunkow should have a 10' radius on his entrances. MOTION BY LINDBLAD to recommend to the City Council ap�roval of the request to construct an addition with the following stipulations: 1. 10' xadius on driveway entrances. 2. Owner to post a performance bond to insure the completian of the new blacktopped parking areas with pour�d�6" x 12" concrete curbing, for a period of two years or June of 1974. 3. Sidewalk to be installed at owner's option. Seconded by Tonco. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The meeti�g was adjourned by Mr. Tonco at 9:45 E.M. 0 Respectfully Submitted, Darothy Eve , Secretary 6 0 �T. ^ CITY OF FRIDLEY PLATS & SUBDIVISIOIZS- STREE�S S� U�ILITILS Si�BCQI�fiTTEE .ItILY I2, 1472 PAGE 1 CALL �(? dRDER: The meeting was called to order by Chairmaa Schmedeke at 7:30 PaM, ROLL CALL: Members Pre�ent. I�4eissner, Sci�medeke, Frencic, Forster Me�her Absent. Eagdahl Ot�ers Preseat: 73arrel Ciark, Eagineering Assistant �a IAT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. �72-03, BY DON A. SCHULTZ: Lots i and 2, Block l, Edgewater Gardens. To remove lot line from under adjacent house for adequate side qard requirements. Mr. Schultz was preseist. Ci�airman Schmedeke cammented that Mr. Schultz o�w�ns the property on both sir�e� of the line he intends to move. ^. Mr. C1ark discussed the drawing on Page 2 of the Agenda, saying the existin$ �ot iiae ruas right undemeath the coraer of Mr. Schultz's existing house. He would like to �ve the Iot line. .• � The shore Ifae has moved out, b�st the flwner$�ip has not. The entire lak� battom is awned by Lwo pecgle. Mr. Schultz has a surveyoz wcarking �ru thfs to g�et a plat of th� �oie lake bottom. Tonight all the Subcommitte� is Calk�.ng about is maving the lot Yine. He called the Couaty Surveyor and he wil�. ac�ept the lot split if the City decisioa is favorable. l�ir. Schultz has a retalniag ws1l a1o�g the Bhore�f:se of his hoesae and there �sy be need for ot�►e oa this tite�t bc�3.Idiag site a2so. i�Fr. I�ieissaer ast�d haw i�ir. 3chultz eaded ug with a hons� oa �t� of _the lot? Mr. Schuitz said that the house va4 buflt without ma�d�n�m n�se of hi� �iogerty aad sbou�d have been turaed for all practical purposes. He oa�n�� c�wc► bath iata ferever a�d this would come up soaaer ar later. Tbe Chaix�ms�s f�it thst thfs xas a siap2e 2ut spiit. 1�l3YSCfllf bg Fr�nc�i, seoo,nd$d �y i�eissner, that the Plats � Snbd3vis�o�ns-Streets � tJ�.i3it�es Subcso�ittee recasaend ta the Plarrn.ing Co�aafssion approva2 of the 7�ot 3p,Y�,+ Requsst, L.S. #7?-03, b� D� ]!. Schultz for Lots 2 and 2, 81xk 1, Sdgewatez� �ardens to remov� �bs Zat Itrse fro� under tl�e hor�se and provide adeqr�te side � �ard €or t.ttis e�risting havse. Upozr s vufce �te, aI1 v�atiag a�e, the �avt.iPn c$rxisd ur�aniar��slg. piats & su�s 9 str � Ut�i �t�.- Ju2y 22, i972 page 2 ^ Mr. Clark explained tha� before the lake was formed, the land was owaed by two people, 0*','Oatman and Drew Scherer. They are still the owne�s af the lake bottom. if one person owned the lake and everybody around the lake ehaxed • ' the cost of platting, the lake hottoffi eauld he divided into lots. �he� the o�e ownex could deed the individ�l ��s �v the ad�acent �er. Far eaample, the l�ad in f ront of Mr. Sehul�� s�e, be�a� the shorei�ae i�as shif ted, is o1�ed by suother persas a�ct ca�sequeatlp, A�rr. Sc��.tz bas �r Is� �ess- s Mr. Schultz safd hi.s s�rvepar �p nvt have �gh ti�e to ckr it. There will be 5Ei different ideas o€ 6� it sho�ld be deeideci because there are 50 �ake�hore owcters. There are scx� peopie wha will not deed their piopertg to the lakeshore because thep had their propertp before there was a lake. 2. L�TT SPLLT �° �i. �#72-�4, BY ��. �I3�lAl�t, ATTORNEY FOR 1�5. ii�CAi,.�'E: I��t �5, euept East ib� €�et, �is�d �uditox s Subdi� #23 -- to �Iit of# Souti� five feet of Lot lb. 3rlr. Gera3d M. Randall, t�ssociate, of the flffice o# Edward E. Coleman��epxe- seated Mr. Metcalfe. Mr. Clark reviewe� the Iat sglit request cf a year ago referring to the map o� Pag� 8 af-the Agenda, and said Mr. Metcalfe got approual to split the �and that ruas €ram the Mississfppi to the East side af Rfverview Terzace, beim� ane large garcel iato three R-1 Iots. it was stipulated that he provide a second utiiitq aad driv�a� easemes�t for s�er and water anci access for the hpuse naw /'� located s� the riv�r. i+&en tl�e �srvey was �ade, it was �iscvvered that ��$ nei�i�bs�r to �e South hari his garag� built with a 1.� foot nvsrla�, Tkie C�.ty � oae d�ed airsady signed but not recorded for Rivervie� Terrace. The Caunty von't aceept it becauae of the title which was in the na� of the father-i�-law �f Mr. �Ietcalfe, but ao�,r Mr. Metcalfe has the title. 1�. �artc ccrr�tfaued thst t� drivewag gaes across the Sautherly part of th� I�tt� T'fde uEilftie� a-Isa ma�t �or� vu� better oa the South Ifne. Nothiag has been rec�tded pet so t.hat it wi�.l not be a proble�m. The Iot nc�s i� 3i feet wi�e and sgiittiag cff the Sauth 5 feeL wo�id leave Sf+ feet. Ti�e�e is qnite a b�it af rc�om bet�ee�i the n,ew l�t iine �d the ezisting 1�wse so tha� lisrE aau2d sl�.de East �rr �t. �e c�tract for � desd has fi�ea paid of# vit�iu t� Iast �� = iie airou�d ge� a�esr d� siga�ed by �lr� �ietr.a�f� �er �i�� Taxrace m �r.. �era3d �dall said be thongb� thia wot�ld be tske� eare of sc�one Tk�ere is � mvrtgage on tb� five foot str�p that Mr. i�etcalfe is seiiing. WtieA the m�rtgage is relessed, a sdzvey wili 6e msde o€ the wImle area. i4�. CZark s�f.� ti�e se�e� �s raffier s%a1.3x�r t�at �ts �:o tI� ho�tse a� �he €��. If �� tha� �� it caa � the pr�ed �e� Hca�v�� s it �d3� � t� 1� r�ls�ated. �is � mv�v� Sa�, 3rn� �Sia � 3n Lfie se�x 3i�e, �e �ed tLat ths lot �lit canaot be comp%ted imtil a survey is made wf the eatire pa��ei aa that proper legai descriptiona can be broaght up. ^ _ � I�} Fre�rch, sec�ded bg Forster, t�iat tbe FIa� F Sr�idfv.€siv�as-Stseets t�ilf�es �ttee rea�d to #� P2�g ��t� �aZ of fi,2se %ot ��t 8�. L.S. �72�D4, bg .7osif:: X. 1�etcaife s�rl#�ag af t]�e ScxrtherZy S feet ct� ��S, ezc�ep� t.�e 8ast I65 feet. Rev�sed �ltiditor's S�v�s�r� t.�3 suDject Plats & Subs Stx & Util Mt� � July 12, 1972 Page_3 ^ to receiving a certificate of survey of the entire Lot 16 showing the Iocation of a11 subsequent 1ot Iines with �roper leqals describing them, Upon a voice Vote, a1.� voting aye, ghe mati�n c�rrzed r�na�i�s.ts}- 3. •TAT SPLIT i1L��`: L.Sa #72-E15, BY LAUREN BURN: I,ot 2t}, B3�ck �., ��r�.t�$ Valle�r �dditic� -� to tse split into four lots hecause of h�.gh ta�e�= Mr. and Mrs. Lauren Bvrn were present. Mr. Clark explained that on the East side of the propertg there is an alley gaing in a North/Sauth direction. The 1Qt is 335 feet deep. It is ��.atined to i�a,�se � 5E} foat stree[ cc�ming �rom Arth�r S��eet tc�wards Central Avenne o The �f of the Iot ab�t�ing Cerct�a� �venue is zoneqd com�ercial and the East half is zv� �-1. Mr. �r� $�b�tted t�o gro��als for hi� z�quesL_ $ �.'ra�flsal "A" is divided intv fflur iots �eeting the pYeseat R 1 7..and area reqni��ts with+aut add�tional r�ght of �ay far the Nc�rth/Svuth street alon� the Eastern edga of the property. Prsrgosal 'tB" shows thesa l.ots as bei�ag sa�aller than thE B-T requirements. Mr. B�rn apparently feels hecause he has to give up 3�+ feet, the lots have to be smaller -- he might be �ble to get a va�eianceQ The zoning line an gropased Lot Z cames within about 8 feet of the Eastern line of I,.o� 20 �e exfstfng house fs o� the corner lot. Mr. Barn has spent qui�e � bit of t�ey remodel�ng it. The house fiad no basement. Mr. M�eissner woadered if a cul �e sac co�Id be used iastead of Mr. Born ^ de�i�ating 34 feet £ar a street. Mr. Clark aaswered that a couple of year$ ago, ther� was a request far a lot spiit to the North of her�, The geti.tioner was askeci to dedicate 34 f�et for the Diorth/South street. Because �his a�'ea does �t have a storm sewer and will eventually have to have one if the split goes th��ug11, Council probably will ask Mr. Born to eserov $8.Q0 per 100 squa�ce feet far ��orm se�er. The Iots would isvok onto sewer and water from 64tk� Ave�ue. I�s Schmedeke saic� that he liked to favQ� the Feti�icner at every oppoxtunity i� getss but bere � clifferent zo�aing� a�� involv�d. 2he house oa MF. Bo�n's grogs��ty is in G-1 which malces f� a nou-conforming use. Host o€ th$ secand 1�� aid"Er� �n �-1 so there would be a creativn of a eo��erc#,al lot �hi� w�s under� s��s �e wc>�ld prefer i'lan B as st3owcY on Page i2 vf the �ig+euda because the stg�� i� sh�, but eoa�ld not go alorag �rith the request at i3�is �imev He asked � ttee ii there would be stxq way �h�y could help tliis mati, perhap� by �c c�gg in the zoniag. There could be the passibiiity of this b�ing ooasidered s�sot ��nixxg, �d�x�s�ing the Snbcom�itteeq i►t�. CI��c �l�ed if Mr. Bc►rn decided to �cezc�ae �b� �� r aad it was appraEved, co�i� �e �e asa�ced the lot sglit �u�.d be ��. �s Bora was i�tfarmecl of tlse rezoni�� procsdur�. �Iro Meissner noted that the tvo lots Narth of Lot 2fl were zoned C-1 (Lots 1$ az�d �) aad the two �ots I�orth af t� were zoned C-2. Se wonde��d if it � �ould be p�ssible to rezaae the �xre� Iots in t&e same cstegory. �ir. C�gr� sa3d that the iots co�%3 be sglit aloc�g t.he zoning Iius. C-1 faci�g C�atral l�ve��Qe s�td R-� �acin� b4th Aveaue. Plats & Subs Str & Util Mtg July �2, 1972 Pag� � � Mr. Me�ssner asked if there was practically no chance of not including the street if they go through the lot split. Mr. Clark answered that �here has to be a street there. The people will be forced to try to use their land a little better when the storm sewer assessments of $800 ger lot is levied. Mr. Bor� said �e o�wned Lot 19, �h� lat La the �c7rth� Dale Mavers axe across the street� there �s �ot enougtt Iaad far a amall si�gpiag �enter. He did aot Ir.now what �i��ist waated tcs do. Ferct has the next big gie� �t� the l�or�h• iia�crel Clark dfd �sc�t feel Mr. Walquist would be interested �� cl�aa$it� tfie zonimg. Mr. French said he would be in favor of Proposal "B" with the prvge�ty zoned R-1, or split two lote off in R-1 making two buildable lots in the back. �Mr. Meissner said that looking at Plan "B", hi� thoughts were more along; lines as far as the present zoning situation, uniess there was a change in C^1 zoningi his feeling was Air. Born wonld be hetter off to make two lots out pf Lhe R-1 praperty, but uot the dimensions he is usiug_ He rould leave the leg�l non co�forming Use at this time for the lot an� hanse o� �tia1 Avenue �nd i� , scjm�ething did h,appen to the hnuse and he waute� tfl cam� �k anr3 �ebuild a�ie ' t�vould have an 80 or 75 foqt 3.ot. He could come back a�d split tlis lot into two iots, but he would have an undersized commercial lot as it is zoned now. Mr. Born said that if he could have some assurance he could split �.o� 2A • inta fous Iots, he w�oul@ definitely try to have the property rezoned and aome hsck. . � Mr� Clark said that a new house built a� Lot 2�auld have to have a setbacic o�f 35 feet, and Mr. Born wauid have to ask for a va�ianc� if built closer. Mr. Born commented that the former owner gav� up the la�d beeause of �axeso fle would go along with trying to get �he prope�ty rezoned if tlae Subcom�ttee wrould go along with the four lots. He would like to have the lot split and rezoafn,g �t the s�e tiffie. I�r. Meissaer said the f�22n�ria� �s hi� s�stioa: �'hat Liie spl.it be made c�ttiage�tt upaa t� rezc�ai$g� Tbis wauld ieave ?�r. Bam �iti: �o0 1a-ts ii,ot$ 3�sd 4} t� deveiop at this time. T%ere -�ss no obj�cti�sa tfl this k%nd of lo�t s�se.. Ti�eg �tt�:+d i�e s�ightiy under in froat fvo�age �n aate l�t, b�t clos� �gh that it could b� reco�mendecl� ia thi� way the whoi� p�rty is �ot tied esp �ra3.iiug for the rezc�ng �r�ich can �roceed on its c�n. �t�tiag wfll hagp��n �til a saie is made and �ritil the lot split is record�d. Ti�e a��roval can be €s�r i.Qts 3 and � and that the Iot split shown for Lots 1 az►d 2 be com�ing�r►t upau spplyfng for rez4niug tv R-I and i� rezoa�ng is granted, the lot split would go oa Lhroroegh within a year. l�fr. �.ar� sai� tb�t � �.ast�in� �ome�s�si� �rr �dI �uld xsques� Mx. �rs to .a� r+e�� Lat 18, �� t�ere �ras a�r g�a��a� t� ��u3d be �tt�d� �t wi1� dep�nd � t� at�ti�ude of ihe ge.ag�, �� C►umcf � a�►d F�� C�3.ssian, MU!'Ip1V ,b� 3�eissssert se�ed 1� �'orst�r. �at the �3ats & �ubadEivis.�on,s -� ^ Str�e�ts ��itiss Sr�tt�ee r� approva.� to i�e �la�ning Cc»rtt3ss�on �rf t.� Z�vt S��tit R�t, ��5. #?2-{15, by Iauren Barn of I.o� Z�, Block 1. Spring Va12e� A4idit3� xitlr �r�dificatsorrs as fvllc�s: F�rst �f aZ3 �*e are ta�kiz�g a� PZa�i "�'" ,�ag+e I2 0€ the Agenda and that th� Iot Zi�s �ie amended sa �a t �-� as 75 �� as �ho!wn with � 34 f�t frxtur8 street Ic�c��d c}n the �ds� side. �at i�t 3 a�so 3�e made 75 feet thereby spl.�tting �he �rrtpextg into �z'�� .�Qts at ti� pres�nt tiare, twr� of which are in the r` dentia� a=+�a arr� t�te one Plats.& Subs.-5tr. & Util. Mtg. - July 12, 1972 , Page S � presently zoned C-1, contingent upon an application for rezoning R-I for the remaining C-1 area and that the commercial 1ot be split into approx.imate.i� 81 feet for Lot 1 and Lot 2 to be 71 feet with the necessary easeme�ts to a11ow continuing the water and sewer access for Lot 1. Upon a voice vote, a11 votinq aye, the motion carried unanimously. 4. PROPOSED PREE.IffibTARY PLAT, P. S. �72-U2, DQRSTAU ADDITIOI�I BY EIDIAR "TED" DORSTAD: A reglat of Lot 39, Revised l4uditor's Subdivision �77 except that part to Greenwaod (Parcel 5640}. Mr. and Mrs. I?orstad were present. Mr. Clark esplai�aed that Mr. Dorstad requested rezoning to R-3 about a month ago. At that time the discussion was to dfvide into residential lots wit� a street running th#ough the center. Ti�e Planning Commission and peop�e thought double bungalows on East Itiver Road would be acceptable with single famiiy residences on the remaining property. The next problem was the st�'eet. Some day there will be a median put down East River Raad and the interior streets will nat have access to East River Road excepting to go South. The traffic signal would be at 79th Avenue and Osborne Road and would take care of the Ieft tnrns going North. He had talked to Mr. Lundheim receatly who said he doe� not Iike the plat hut will continue to wark on the design. They probably would have to get additional right of way on the West side. Mx. Luttdheim asked about getting additional easements along East River Road �or slope or sidewalk. 3'he houses on the West side are located close to East River Road. � �"fie structures on the East side are set back pretty far. He askee� to be given opportunity io give it more study. Mr. Ciark said the lots abutting East River Rosd meet the minimum area requirements for R-2. The watermain is on the East side of East River Road. Ttte sewer would be open cuf, and the storm �ewer is in to Talmadge now. Refer- ring ,�a Tal�nadge �rte, if �e �ruiidings $Q through, Talmadge Lane would be �u�fared. �hEr� is e$ongh �gh� af wsy:y �s6Qr�e Foad is Sfl feet wide with a bfi €oot right of way. Mr. Clark suggested �ir. Dors#ad ta13� to i�, �eens�d �laiaing tha� �.t �ou].� �a � th� City's adv�tage sad Mr. Greenwoc�d's �f he -�ld inelu�e his - gar�l in the Dorstad plat. !�T!'�E31ii br} Freach� seeanded b� 1�leissrxs. �hat the PZats & Subdivisions � Streets & tltiZities Srsbco�ittee recoaanertd approval o€ the prelimir�ary p1at, P. �_ �?2-QZ s Drsrstad �di t�on to the P3aa�.i�sg �aa�ci�si�t� to repla t I.r�t 39 ,. ; Rev�sed �t�it.flr`s ��rssicm �?� ezcsept that �art �o- Gr�od �`Par�eZ 5640) strhh}�t ix� �Z� e`asements �r�r �tili�ies err� t.l�e � sids of East Ftf ver Road, �iasg � �t�rZq �de � th� �r�, � consiriaratir�s'3�e gi_ven �o the sea3i�t �f 4sborne �d s�c��eres c3�se �s s1x�� t.i�e �zropvsed plat. �os� s �r+oie.e vr��, aIT voting aye, t�ie mot%nrs carried r.t�n�mous�y. 5. iAT SPLiT B�QtJBST : L. S. �72-46, BY MRS. i3AliI0At 30HHSON : Lot 1, Alo cl� 2, � �e La%e $�ghl�tcis to be sp�it iato two Iots. 80x10fl �nd 120xYf�. �irs. l�arf:c� .T�� as pre�ent. ^ � ot Plats & Subs Str & Util Mtg July 12, 1972 Page 6 The explanation of the request was given by Darrel Clark. This is a lot on " the corner of Able and Mississippi Streets. There is 100 feet on Mississippi Street and 200 feet on Able street. A house is on the lot. If the lot were split, the new lot would be 80 feet and abut Mississippi Street. Th�s wauld gi�� lot of 8,000 square feet, 12 feet between the lot line and existing house, and 10 feet being the side yard minimum. The recommeudation would be for the driveway to come off Able street. ,The City would like to get a 10 foat sidewalk easement along Mississippi Street in case Mississippi were widened. �he side- walk easement would not encroach on the area as it would be considered part of the yard. There is a retaining wall on Mississippi Street which belongs tQ the County. The present house faces Able Street but uses a Mississippi addresa. The reason for the split is that the husband passed away and Mrs. Johnson wou�d like to sell part of the property. Chairman Schmedeke said that the new lot probably would be the smallest in the area. Mr. Clark said the frontage was about average, but the area far less than average. Lots further South are �5'x150'. The lot might appear small to the prospective buyer because the rear yard would be short. Mr. Clark said that the homes in the area were probably built in the 1950's. The date of the present home is about 1940, being a little on the small side and getting rather old. The house to the East (Mr. Paulson's) is a good sized rambler and sets rather far back. The houses across Able Street were probably build in the 50's. They do not meet the standards of today's minimum require- ments. The Subcommittee was told not meet the City standards. rear of the lot would be next they were being asked to approve a lot that does As the proposed lot would face Able Street, the to Mr. Paulson's lot. Mr. Meissner said that Mississippi Street, being a main street in the City, he felt it was important they keep proper consideration for the requirements of the ordinance as far as the ordinance is concerned. This will be a small lot within the area of Mississippi Street. Most of the homes are being built on very large lots. There are ways of controlling the kind of houses, but the Sub- coffiaittee does not pass on them. His basic objection was that it does not meet the area requirements, is on a main thoroughfare of the City and in an area of large lots. He asked if Mrs. Johnson had any specific plans and her answer was "no particular plans". Chairman Schmedeke suggested the Subcommittee take a better look at the request because this property is on a main street and also he had had no time to check it: MOTION by lbeissner, seconded by French, that the Plats � Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcommittee continue the request for a Lot Split, L.S. #72-06, by Mrs. Marion Johnson, to split Lot 1, Block 2, Moore Lake Nighlands into two build.ing sites, until the 9th day of August, or in case of a lar�e agenda, on August 2nd subject to the decisions of the Chairman and Diasrel`Clark, Engineerinq Assistant, notifying the neighbor on the East of the Hearing. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. /''� � ^ - July 12, 1972 Page �-- �lats & Subs Str & Util Mtg - MISCELLANEOUS COI�IENTS: Develo�ment �f the Riedel Propert : Mr, Meissner felt that if the �exon-� i�g request by the Wall Corg. is passed, ti�exe are traffic pxe�I.euES that have not been tharaughlg discusse�. He woulci ifke to see the Subc�i�tee be given f:he opgortu�tity to research the traf€ic problem �ore Llit�rcx�g�3�- Sub Streets a�d AileYs: I�r. French feit a stndp of street essemeats that are never being us�d througi�QUt Fridley aud a�leys that are nat beigg useda �ou2d result ia dor�t FroPerty being put back an the ta�c rolls. Darrel C�.a�'k w�s as�Ced �v �eh �'k ��is �Id be for �he Engineering Department. Mr. Claxk �� :�t � g}� p�esent tiyoe, it would be rati�er difffcult ta get the reppx't rea�y, but oth��se it wou�d �t be a di€ficult �ssign�ent. ADJOURATMENT: 1►pTIDN by Meissner, seconded by French, that the Plats & Strhdivisions- Streets & utilities Subc�mmittee r�eting be adjouxned at I0:35 P.M. Upon a �a.iee vrs�e.-aI� so�ing aye, tbe �otion carried unanimaus2y. �� ct� 1y #.ted �� t Haze ' B aa Recordiag Seer�tary �. �� OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING � BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION 1 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley will meet in the Council Chamber of the Citq Hall at 8:00 P.M. on Wednesdap, Julp 19, 1972 to consider the following matter: A request for a Special Use P.ermit, SP #72-08, by Naegele 0utdoor Advertising Company, for two 14`x2"x49'x9" illuminated paint bulletins per � Fridley Sign and Billboard Ordinance No. 438, � 9ection 56.04, 2, to be located South of T.H. � No. 694 and West of the Burlington Northern Railroad tracks. Generally located at 52 Highway No. 100 Northeast, Fridley. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter may be heard at this meeting. Publish: July 5, 1972 � July 12, 1972 h OLIVER R. ERICKSON CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION . �� c.y . � . - ;- � f f + n ; � �, � . � • CITY OF FRIDIIEY YII1+INESOTA : p'LANNING AND ZONIIvG FORM • SP ��72-08 � . � � �_'�A.�i: J . . . f � . / �. , � . . � �� y�� i � � . �� , . . � . � i � . � .. . .. . ... .. � . � � � i. ��. . � . . � . . � TYPE tiF REQUEST . � � �e Resoning �—_r._�_ � �� pecial Use Yesmtt � . ..� 1\ : , . . � � ;�_Variance a � _ : APPLICANT'S SIGNA� ,, � Lot Splits � 3 Addresa �� , SS�2__APProval of Pre- ; liminary Ylat Telephont N�mber �� -fi � �3� i �,�_Approval of Final � %�/ ° Plat PAOPERTY �GTNEIt' S S IG�IATURE,� ,:, •%�_ 0 6�d-vr.�c____ # Manager-Leases :�,,.S�reets or All.ey�--.._. Address Burlington Northern Inc ., 176 E. 5th_ V�tcatians St. Paul, Mn. 55101 : - relephone N:m:ber 227-0911 � � ��„Other � . _ _ _ _ ., �_�. _ �� ,� y, �� StreeL Locatioa oi Prap�rty�i�,�� , I,ega1 Descrigtion of.Fraperty� ��,�'�� %c Or� /,r�� i% -Ly /L . i +/ � ! . `��- , ►� 1 �� .,' � . � v � � l �� l % � � r - - i present Zoni.ng Claaaificatis�n ��/�� . ..,_.� ..._._,.,. , Existing L'g� of th� Prop�rty � - proposed Zonin� C3easificatian, Specia2 Use, Variance or other :equest � _ � , , Descsib2 brieily th� Typ� of Use aad the Improv�.��nt i�rapo�eci �� „_ AcreAge of Pro��st ' v � — � { � - ��,�„�� l ,� �i., ,�p ,�'fv . /�� cIEC''CQ/ . � : , Has th� Y:eaznt A��li�sat Pr�vioualy Soug`.:t ta Re�aae, Plat, Qbzaia a Lot S�lit, Qbta:.a a Vaa3�ace or Sp�ecial Uae Perm�t on t%�Q Suhject Site qr Part oi ��":_,_, t k'��n? . � aa �►'hat wae &equea�ed Fee Enclos€d $ �o . � Date Filed Dait of I22eria��":;� �6/�1� _ ; � - � - - � . � . . r. .. ,.. , ` I . . . . . � � � � � � � • �� r�- . S"'---- � ;t ' 1 ' The Minutes of the Board of Appeals Meeting of June 27, 1972 Page 4 .._^ � Mr. Cxowder said there seems to be ill feeling between the nei.ghbors and it seems to be an impasse. The Board has suggested alternatives but neither side ie �Xeeable Co them. � a. �_ � �l`, �� y0xI0N by Crowder to recoumend to the City Council denial of this variance. Seconded by Harju. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion ca�Cri�d uuanimouslY- � ' 1�TION by Wahlberg, seconded by Cro�wder, to waive reading the public hea,ring notice. �Tpqn a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. R. Pfeiffer and Mr. Hokemier were present to present the request. ,A picture p� the type of sign and a map showing the location of the sign were shown to �he �Qard. � Mr. Hokemier stated they propoae to put up two units back to beck on the rai�road ^ s�.ght a� way, west of the tracks and south of T.H. #694. The signs will have changeable copy and be changed every 60 days. There will be 10 feet from grade to the bottom of the sign and 25 feet to the top of the sign. The signs will be �laced on 1 pole, 15 feet to the west of the tracks. Naegele has a lease with �u��ington Northern to erect the signs. Mz. Hokemier said this is the standard size for paint bulletins. The copy for tt�ese signs can be shipped all over the United States to be uaed on this aize p$nel. There is 700 square feet of sign area on each side of the eign. Cha�xwan Minish asked if they complied with all regu2atione of the Federal program �c�fi b��,lboards. ' 'j+t�, Hokemier eaid they did. He added theae regulations eliminate billboarde only iA u�tincorporated areas. He added they can live with the Federai and State regu�ations very well. Mt� C�qwdar aeked if there was a amaller standard size of eign. �ir, I�akemier eaid there is a 12 foot by 25 foot poster panel that is ataadard. �e8e aigns are repapered every 30 days, and the copy can be u�e�3 tYiroughout Che U�i��ed Statea. The paint bulletins are ha�id painte�3 in the plant. He explained �ey would like to erect the aign at this location be.cauee of the traffic view. '�h� ayerage bueinesaman can have a paint bulletin made up and th�n xent the ai.gn lo&ations around the Zwin Cities area, and it gives him a chance to have many � �ec�p].e aee hie advertieing. . . �� : . f June 27 1972 Fa�e 5 .. � The Minutes of the Bo3rd of Apt�eals_:_C�ri�,+,.. � _ � ^ 1�7r, Cx�wdex said he understood tt�at ��he signs were rented on a 60 day basis and the bigger the sign the moru meney r::c�ived in rent but it is obvious that Naegele can live within the Citi�s si.gn ��rdinance by using the poste� panel. Mr. Hokemier said years ago a lease with the railroad was very hard to get but now they seek us out as it is a lucrative business for them to have signs along the�.7c entire tracks. He said it costs Naegele $25,'OOO�to erect this type of sj.gA ar►d Chen they collect $875.00 a munth ren� foY each side of a sign. The railroad gets $2;000 a year for each sign plus 20 per cent of rent. Naegele has about 260 paint bulletins in ch�: 7 county r❑arket. This number auau�ts to about �/l0 of all of their signs. Mrs� Wahlberg asked how many more signs Naagele plans to put up in this area. Mr, Hokemier said this would be the end because they have to have s00 �eet of separation between sfgns. Ir(r, Pfeiffer said this sign will be illuminated with lights that throw light �ust on the sign and nothing e1se. Mrs. Wahlberg asked if the three signs across T.H. ��694 were Naegele's. Mr. Hokemier said that they were. Mr, A. Torrey, Midland Cooperatives, came forward to voice his objection to the ^ eign. He showed the Board sketches �f the Midland Cooperatives building and the xemodeling. Mr. Torrey explained his building is directl} East of the railroad tracks. They plan to put their name on the building with plastic letters and he said that the Naegele sign would block off this being viewed from t�ie free�ray. kje �ontinued that with 400,OOU square feet of floor area in thie buildin� whic.h • xe�resents about $1,000,000, they would like to have the traffic see the buildj.ng, He added the building can be seen very well from the free�way now. ^ rlx�. Crowder asked Mr. Torrey if his company would be opposed to a 12 foot by 2� foot billboard. Mr. TQrrey said they would be opposed to it •if they had the chance. He said they woul.d prefer�to see no sign at all but they would prefer the smaller against the �arger, �TIQN by Wahlberg to close the public hearing. Seconded by Harju. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the mntion ca�xied unaniunusly. ' �, Cxowder said he could see economically why they wanted to go frap 300 sqµare feet to 700 square feet but he said he was not c4nvinced the s�ditio�al 40Q s4uaz'� ��e� i� necessary. He said he would just as eoon not aee the extra �oot�ge. I�r* �a�ju said he couldn't see that �ch of a hardahip. 300 ��uare f�e� ie �h� Go4i� and he said in hie mind, he found it hard to juetify the �°axiance. � « . �� • �-- � �------ . ' The Minutes of the Board of Ap eals Meetin� of June 2'7, 1972 _ PaQe 6 � �$. Wahlberg sai.d she had to agree. She felt a variance from 300 square feet to 700 squaxe feet was quite a lot of leeway on a variance. i �- Chairman Minish said he agreed with the iioard. He added this billboa�d i8 go7.n� to the Planning Conanissio�i fur a Special Use Permit and if the Special Use PerntiC is approved by C�uncil, the Council could sti11 grant the variance in squaxe �ootage. 3, MOTION by Wahlberg to recommend to the City Council denial of the varianG�, Seaanded by Crowder. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carrxed u��n �.t►�ous l}t . s ___ STD� YhRD SETBACK ADJOINING LI'.'ING AREA FR0,1 10 FEET T0 FEET �p�ION by Wahlberg, seconde�' by Crawder, to waive the reading of the public hearing �otice. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motior� carried unanimously. �jx, S� Mrs, Kothman were present to present the r.equest. A verifying survey of the �a� and pictures of the dwelling were shown to the Board. � � l.e�ter of no objection from Mr. A. Canton, adjacent neighbor, was received xn th� mail, MOT�4N by Crowder to receive the letter of no objection from Mr. A. Canton. • $econded by Wahlberg. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motio�n carried unan in►ous ly . . j�. Kothman stated he wants�to add on a 14 by 22 fnot addition onto the back o� t�le �puse. The house is 5 feet from the property line inatead of the required 1R �e�� • atsd Mr. Kothman explained he wanta to follow the houae line. He eaid Co set the addi.tion in the required 10 feet would leave 5 feet of dead apace. �, Kothman explained Mr. Canton has an attached garage that would be 15 feet fr� �heir addition. He said the addition will be used for a bedroom and $ fami�y xoom• �e �iij,� also be putting a fireplace in the basement under Che addition, Ke eaid h� h�s 4�hildren and they nesd the additional ronm but hs doea not want to rui.n the appearence of the houBe. . �, Ha�ju atate� that the Board requires fireproofing on anything cloaer �hat1 1Q �eet to the property line. He asked Mr. Kothman if he had planned to put �ny w�.ndows pn the addition wall facing the Cantons. Mra, Wahlberg added that the fireproofing would have to continue arp�nd the corne� pf �,he addition also and thie might eliminate the windowe that Mr, Kothm�.� had ,�`� pl,an�ed to install. t�c, iGothman eaid he did pl�n on putting in 1 window on the wall facing �he Canton� atx� �tl$p apa�e on the back of the addition. . .. . .... . ... . . . . .. . . .... . . . . .. .. .----....--� �� ..---� . _ � :: A U D`{TORS ' SUgOiVISION � ^ . SP ��72-08 '� �' ' r Nae�ele Outdoor Sign • , , _ .- ; � .� 2 .-; . , _ � �2900) .-� � ; � ' . , � , : � _�� , ., • . N0. �, �g :� . � ., � , . `•� 1NPL4CE S/GNS . V �� . \ B0 U/YQ£R LAC�NSE , A � '_ ' �`'� _ _ y 9•e � �,�� -- '- - - - -�,-- —� � J :95 5:� . � = ` •i, t� :., �ss _"'r�-�1_� —��_ ��: iee 1� . ♦ �_ �, p :ii ; � . . . - . . � _ _�._,�� .. � � � � � . . � � � . � � I � — � � . , . 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'f � :-n `:�-� . _� �-'� _ , . ■ „ s • • �,. s , P.,�.N. , \ . /'� /'1 . OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING . BEFORE THE � PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley will meet in the Council Chamber of the City Iiall at 8:00 P.M. on Wednesday, July 19, 1972 to consider the following matter: A request for a Special Use Permit, SP ��72-09, by Naegele Outdoor Advertising Company, to erect and maintain two 12`x25` advertising structures side by side posters on Parcel 5400, Section 2, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley per Fridley Sign and Billboard Ordinance No. 438, Section 56.04, 2� :. � Generally located at 7940 University Avenue N.E. Anqone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter may be heard at this time. ' OLIVER R. ERICKSON . CHAIRMAN PI�ANNING COMMISSION Publish: July 5, 1972 July 12, 1972 � �� ", ,i� l.� , �� . . '_ r � ,« '` � _ e /'� . CITY OF FRIDLEY MINN�SOTA pi,AN:�IItiG AND ZdNING FO�M I�{umbeY y� ��72-04 /1ppL;CANT'S SIGNA� AaaZ��s i% � �' l� Telephone Number` a'�ii3FERi'Y wTiv�,%' S S : _ �i�� _ � ' � �� ; � �� I/ n� a TYPE t7F R�QiJEST ' Rezoaing �� _Special tlae Pesmit i��. � ' 1*� �• ' Variance _....�.._._. � Lot Splita /: .�J� v3 _Apprcval of Pre- limir.�ry Pla� � Apgroval of Ffnal Plat ��Streetz or j.].l.r�*---,-_. `� j Vacaiions Telephane Number ? �� i� :- �� ________�Other Street Location of Prope Lega1 Descri�tion o£_Progerty /� _ . preaent Zaning Claasification_, � ,i''�''/ C^ 15l��% , Existing Use of the Pro��rty� ' __ .� Yropus2d Zoein� Classificaiion, Special Use, Varianc� or oth�r reque�t ��i`�%/'�� .J � � Deacribe briefly the Zjipe � ' -" /�,�'c� . ..� / w . .,. , .� , .. Use and the Impxov�n�at ��raoosed ;.%T-J�� Q%''�-�x-� /� ��r%/-f (�-'�� /i1 ��/.0 /./�t% i �•� _ ✓!r'� � s � /1�erea�e cf Prop�rty � �"��j��,�%CC�,..JJt $ss the Pr�seat Appl.�ctr.� Previo�aty Sought t� R�zon�, Ylat, Obtaia a Lot Split, ' � �3btain .s J�riance ar Speci�s Use Permit on tiae Su3ject 5ite or Part of It? �`-7L_ Wti�n? c1t� iihat waa �equested _ _ Fee En�losed $,�d � ^ D��t Filed ��ate of 'r?earin�,�1L:*' � + °'�"—.-� � �� . � � � n � /� 0 . . ... . ...... ... . ... . .. . . . .. .. .. � ` . . � � � F. _ . .. . ��,t� � _� �� a ,� I : b �h I �f � � ; .4 ;, . � � � . . � V . � .� . � ,�-._� 4,� �. � . . . � . . � � .!I .. � '.. 'ti. . �. � �,. y! -% .. ��. SP �72-09: Naet�ele Outdoor Adv. C�. '-� � ` o �3 WY�G �� , . :.;f _ _------� ' ! � � r , ' �� ' � � � t99 �._ � � Z . � � � ' ' , . . � 'fi :� .. s� `'� '-•--, ! � � ,, - 1 � � ' • • • •- � . . '� �s�tc � • �33'F . . . . � . . . , � `. `� t (SK{' r , • � � � '� . O. � /.�j � h ': .. . --1�+,=:aY!ss'_ _ � .ltv+'ds'-.ts-?. �red S Yes�.es �+ h o 36C 6Y.�iC. ._ _ . , � `� � , <S�,sp) �. u . �y� �' � ( c _ . . . �. 9 t� ��JS:F. • �w � � . � w � . . . � � . . . ' j . � , . �� ;�. . . . . . . . � � � � . � . ' � ' . . , . � � , . . , . . i I f /6 r j /ft_Zf' ,` � ': , .:,' ;� ; W s ROS� • � �,. U /ss.s3 . �, � � � + , ' � a 9 r . . � � � ' W irs. . ''� � i � � q �� o \ � c D�s�` •3 a.��r I = � .� ��T �t ° // 4 �� ' a'P � eR ' ?d Go ' j �1 f • — -- — -- - - i!;_ Tf..l.. '� � ..__ µ----- . T�ao 12x25' Si ns � � '��-�.... � � � � . � � � � � � '� � , '�, � , � ; � • , . . � � � � ; . i � . I � �" . _ ',/ � ��, o� ' �p'/beif �Ro,te ✓••f•svvws � . I � � � c �''t'` � p.a-� � � 1 r, � , I �, ! ... .� � V I '� � � /. ; � ; � .. � - . . . . . � I . l. `•;� � � � OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLTC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COI�4ISSION TQ WHOM �T I�tAY O�NCBRN i Notice i.a h�s°�by ��.v�a tt��t ti��sa wi11 b� a 8ublip �i��sing of �}�� Flan�iaag �c�aaa�i.,��oza �� the Cit� oP Fridl�y �� h� City H�11 at 6431 Uin�voreity Av�e�ua Northea�t on w.aa�.d+�y� �'��y 19, 1972 i�a the Council Chambsr at 8:00 P.M. for the pux� pp�a of : � Consideratioa of a Proposed Prelimiaaxy Plat, $.S. �72-02, Dorstad Addition, by Einex "Ted" Dorstad o� Lot 39, Revised Auditox's"Subdivi- sion No. 77 lying in the Nqrth Ha�f p� $��iOA 10, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Geaerally located on the West side of the iAtersection of Osborne Road aad EasG River Road. ,Alayot�e desiriag to be hesrd with ref$�gnG� t0 the &bov� m�tte�' may be bea�d a� this tim�. �ubiiah� �Tuly S, �.972 auly 12, 1972 ./'1 � OLIVER A. ERICKSON CHAIRMAN PLANNING COIrII�SZSSIQ�1 �' �3 . , , � , ,� �'"� ^ CIrY oF FRiDLEY -_- . MixNESpxA � TYPE OF REQUEST "�-`� . ��_Retoning , - pI.ANNING AND ZONINC FORM , p��r P.S. ��72-02 DORSTAD ADDITION ...._..._._..Special Uae Pezmit Varisnce .._..�...._ AYPLICANT' S SIGNATU1tE��r.�,c_- '�.'� �`lc- - �Z�-�� `g 'ppproval of Pre- Einar "Ted" Dorstad • liminary P1aC Addresa 745f1 F:Fi�* �.i,.�s.�rttd Telephona Number_ 78[,_65�� PAOPERTY aWNER'S SIGNA � Same as above . Addreso Telephone Number Approval of Final Plat ___,_____Streets or 1111ey�-.._. Vacatioas ___r___�Other Stteet LocBtioa of Property i450 East River Road - Fridley �� •TAg$1 Deecsiption of.Property Lot 39, Revised Auditor's�Subdivision No. 77 ?=esent Zoning Claeeification R-1 . Exiating Uas cf the Yroperty One small dwelling � - _-.-,._-,. propoved 2oning Claaeificatioa, Speciel Use, Variance or other request Deacribe bxiefly the Type of Use and the Improvement Propoaed Acre�ge of Property 2.9 da� the pr�aeat Applicant Previoualy Sought to R�zone� plat� Obtain a Lot Split� Obtaia a Variaace or Special Uae Permit on the Subject Site or �art of It? . • Pb iihen? _ • ilhat wae Requeated Fee Enclo;�d $ 25.00 ;� �/S' �'" � Date Filed Dste of Hearing , - _._.._ `3� ' � MAILING I�IST: P.S. ��7Z-02 DORSTAD ADDITION - ' ^ Planaing Commission June 30, 1972 Council: Einer "Ted" Dorstad Mr. & Mrs. Warren A. Osborne 7450 E. R. Rd. 45 75th Way Fridley Fridley Pizza Pick Up Center . Mr. & Mrs. Roger A. Welch � 7365 E. R. Rd. 55 75th Way Fridley Fridley Water Dept. Mr. & Mrs. George J. Dean • St. Paul Bd. of Water Commissioners 65 75th Way St. Paul, Minn. 55102 Mr. & Mrs. Ray C. Price John E. Maloy 77 75th Way 7509 E. R. Rd. Fridley Fridley Mr. & Mrs. Harold J. Ploaf Mr. & Mrs. Rudolph Blazek 91 75th Way 7505 E. R. Rd. Fridley " Fridley � Mr. & Mrs. William H. Peters ^ Mr. & Mrs. Clarence H. Olson 105 75th Way 7501 E. R. Rd. Fridley Fridley Mr. & Mrs. Ernest Block Morris Jentoft & flulda C. Bangsund 71 Rice Creek Way 235 Osborne Rd. Fridley Fridley Mr. & Mrs. Anthony J. Hogen Mr. & Mrs. Walter L. Gay 133 75th Way 7479 E. R. Rd. Fridley Fridley Mr. & Mrs. Gervase Daniels Gu�f Oil Corp. I05 Talmadge Dr. 7451 E. R. Rd. Fridley Fridley Mr. & Mrs..Burton C. Ellis Mr. & Mrs. Raymond A. Priem 115 Talmadge Way 7356 E. R. Rd. Fridley , Fridley Mr. & Mrs. Andrew C. Remarcke Mr. & Mrs. Dennis L. Greenwood 123 Talmadge Way 61 Talmadge Way Eridley Fridley Mr. & Mrs. A. Hurrel Lucast Mr. & Mrs. Leslie Miller 100 Talmadge Way ^ 7560 E. R. Rd. Fridley Fridley -1- Mailing List P.S. �72-02 Dorstad Addition � Mr. & Mrs. Celest M. Ram 111 Talmadge Way Fridley Ms. Marianne C. Messer 130 Talmadge Way Fridley Mr. & Mrs. Dale Miner 12 Talmadge Way Fridley Mr. & Mrs. William Sicora 24 Talmadge Way Fridley Ms Esther D. King 36 Talmadge Way ' Fridley Mr. & Mrs. Larry Chevalier 48 Talmadge Way � Fridley ' Mr. & Mrs. Earl M. Duffy /"\ 60 Talmadge Way Fridley /� �� . \ ,,- r ' " � ' � , ` �+�( •'.. �� r� fr �� !� . �vv .. �I11. w �- . iii��a . . .� � • ^ .. --�I ,� l�'� .: L io 1•, T T N. W A ..E . .{ V ��a� �.�,. r,.. s a ` . �. � .... j�.� �.� � ... ,�,� • �. :° • - � �''�, A US . , `-� ,� � . . , � :�•,: �. •� � •��„� g � . - , : x_ . �_� : � � oo� a �+f- _ • �+. r .•' �G . . . .• x - ,-.. � P . S . ��72-02 : DORSTAD� ADDITION �r R i�.; ��'�� /� ��L j� •.;� � ,�,��• ..,?�- ,�� '�';• '\\ .�8lc-��-9�: Einar- ,�Ted". Dorst f `�+� � �'� r�C,L(., �^ � ,� � . 3 r , : ¢•�. + �, ,.t+ �_ :� �.,. ,:��'� : �r `• ° .' ,.r�p � � '� ••.. ` �� Lot 39, Rev. A.S. ��7 except % �� : f,�i ,..a•• �, '� � '�. �ti `�'`',•µ ��1,,�� '� part to Greenwood ��5640 ' \.. 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Claseifica hereby declares that all the facts and stated in thia application are true and D�.TE: � L / �L BELOW FOR GITY IISE ONLY (Se� raveree eide for ad.ditionai inatructiona} PLATS & SOBS: Date of Conaideration - Remarks: /'1 P1,ANNING COI�iISSIONs Date of Consideration - Remark�: CITY COIINCII,: Date of Coneideration - Aemaxks: _. "' "' _ v • . . . '. . . . . _._ p .,:ay ga�rt ci' I�at 1� lyfr.g So�itheasterly af tha ,� ` 1 �� `'�;° de�scri`•::,3-.-1inE�: Co:;�..anoin� at �;� Sout?:.ro�t ;,� �"---. � .� ��' eaid Lo � 1 � t"o:�aa � out�s 7l.� dec�rP�,s 30 .�' /� . .�_�, F'��t alr.,tz�; ':he �•cutr�ErZy lir.e of saad Irat 1. %, �°� / � `.�nce of ln.� :'c�et, to thr� xctu�l paint of �,'� � :.,in�,�'�i thc li�� to bv des�ri'��.,� � t�encc `.�orth �/ ( _«; -�,r-eFS c5 r-a��vtos ��st� e► d1u�AI'.C9 0_�' 17O taet, ��• E ,�: cr l�ss, tcs �he 5�cre of L,.�{� L:�'.�e, �nd tt�ero "► ,-:wting,. Black I, �:- J1;�`�ATr.R Gr'>i?Dr:�5 , Vi23�ge of ' ° .. ± z �� _.- 1 ,.�;y, Ano4�a Cot:nty, ?:iinnes�t�. . � � . �_ � ��-' ; ; . � l_ _ 3S __ --i i � � \ L.S. ��72-03: Don A. Schultz �! � i � � ti Lots l& 2, B1. 1, Edgewater Gardens `� ,� � To move Iot line from under adjacent �� ,� � house for adequate side yard. i � �,,,E�,, .. a , h. � �,, u , . � • . j \!1 t - f _ , _ , � ,, �---cs�! °., � \ `'a � . �. . ,� ,� � x ` � � � �..'� �°� � � .. �� ,� � , �; :� f, r. � �,.p� ,� , _ _ _ . \ � , � l � , ^.; � �� 1 � � i ` � ...,. \ f # r . i',�� ' ' , `�\ - � � � �� 1 � `, � � + �� ; a� � � � `� ,� � � '�' -/� ,l t � f i � . � , � �,�a \ .� � ..__..- �, t* � � .� i � ' �. . ,, -'" r+ ' �� = � , • ►.t I �ty � ..,� _�,.. % ti v '►� ' 't._. ......--- � • �� t- v.:.[)/v1 1,f:' 4. \� ` ��,,� J `� !�� ! r 4 � j � _ ti. C� C _ �... � `�r ��' :�--�: �r� _._ "`�' `, � . � `__� _=� O � . � , A , z . 1 �` � vr . � C. 4-� � � , t� � t� i 3 3 � ' _ _ - , / .� � ,�'• " } � �� ? �. 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Riverview Terrace,,, F`ridley, �' Street City Zip Code Street City Zip Code TELEPHONE #(S) ��n_.��q4 786-7350 --- Home Bueiness �i Property Location on Street or Exact Street Addreea (IF ANY) bli.l$ N. E. Riverview Terrace, Fridle,y. Minn. . 55�3y Lega1 Description of Property: Description of proper�y is attache - Reason for Lot Split: Brick garage owned by Harry Smith and Betty Smith encroa- ches approximately 1.1� to 1.8 feet onto Mr. Metcalfe�s property along the South line of the latter. Gara�e is incapable of bein� moved due to its heavy cor� struction. An action to register title to the Smith's property is pending, but is bei dela ed as a result of this encroachment. Area of Froper The undersigned hereby rep�esentations stated correct. DATE: - �� `= 1 ` 1 BELOW FOR CITY USE'ONLY ft. Zoning ClaseificationR-1 Si . . F�mi l tr Tlr.�� o� l��c. - - declaxes that all the facte and in this application are true and rf� n�� (Sea 1�ve�eee eid�s for ad.ditionai i.notru�tions) pLATS & SIIBS: Date of Coneideration - Remarks: '�'�'\ PLANNZNG CONIl�iISSI�N: Date of Considere�tion - . Remarke: CITY COIINCIL: Date of Coneideration - Remsrke: - - __ __. _._ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _. . _ _. . _ �'') . . i_ � :� � EDWARD E. COLEMAN L.S. �72-04: L.S. Metcalfe � A'f'TORNEY AT LAW TCIE►RON[ � 'ERALD M. RANDALL 211 E. MAIN STREET 421•d424 AsloC1AT[ ANOKA. MINNESOTA 65308 AR[A CoDL OtZ i � June 22, d972 � City of Fridiey 643F University Avenue N. �. ' Fridley, Minnesota 5542I Attention: Plats & Subdivisions and Streets & Utilities Subcorrvnittee Gen tJ emen : Enclosed herewith are the foilowing: Lot Split Application, together with attached legal description of subject property and sketch of the properfy, our check in the amount of $15 to cover the Lot Split fee. Please advise of the action your committee takes on the Appiication; kindly advise further whether it is advisable that I appear at your next meeting on behalf of Mr. Metcaife and, if so, the date of said ' meeting. ^ Thank you very much for your cooperaticn. Yours truty, '� � _ , ,� �� - � Gerald M. Randall GN�R : ck Enc!•osures /'`� , , � . � � � 1'� 1 ` _ _... _ �� .S. �72-04: John M. Metcalfe Lot numbered Sixteen (16) of Revised Auditor�s Subdivision No. 23; excepting therefrom the following described tract: That part of Lot Sixteen (16), Revised Auditor's Subda.v,.;.��.on No. 23� that is described as follows: Commencing at the most NortY� easterly corner of the said Lot 16, and proceeding thence South- westerly along the most Northerly line of said Lot 16 for a distance of 165 feet; and proceeding thence Southeasterly and parallel to the most Easterly line of said Lot 16 to the most Sautherly line of said Lot l6; and proceeding thence Northeasterly on the most South- � erly line of said Lot 16 to the most Southeasterly corner of said Lot 16 and proceeding thence Northwesterly on the most Easterly 1'ine to the point of commencement; subject to and reserving herein an eesement for ingress and egress purposes over a strip of land twelve feet in width adjacent to the Northerly line of the above described tract and bounded on the South by a line parallel to the raost Northerly line of the above described tract and twelve feet distant therefrom as measured at right angles. 0 i __. ° ` s��ss� �p� � cv�tz Mt : __..------- � � �' � � ,y,n� � �y .,•��`''3 � � � � � � � � � � � � � -� � � � _ m � � � � � � � � � � 1 � 1 . � � . � . � . � . � � � � . � � � .. . � �� . � m �2.l�� : � � ��g' �-- '�-�tG� � -�-_.-----R � � S � _ ---� �� I,.S. 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"' y N .SStI,y�'LErJ " i. �'�.�_ . �es�jit!� . . .. . � { " s:e �s � :n . y " : .t 44 . , . � � . . . . : � �`�. . / . . � � � . . � � top, sp ��'1_ � G� �O � S� ! 5 wf �� . . �� r- .....__ - � . . 560-3450 � . � , a , 5 /� . � , �t o ri��e � � +: ` `: , ANOKA COUNTY a• �; . �� 6431 UNIVERSITY AVENUE NE FRIOLEY, MItJN:ESOTA 55421 .June 30, 1972 Mr. Clifford J. Thoe 7240 Central Avenue N.E. Fridlep, Minn. 55432 � Res Lot Split Request, L.S. �71-08 Dear Mr. Thoe: Your Lot Split request was conCinued on March 22, 1972 for 90 days with the provision that you be given time to consider either entering into a bindi.ng agreement with the City that the ^ hame lot could only be sold to the station owner and that the . house could only be used for residential use or that you could drop the Lot Split request and sell the entire piece to the station owaer. I am placing this item on the Planning Commiission July 19th agenda for their consideration. � Would you please plan to attend this meeting so the matter caa be completed. s very truly a� �� . �L �� Engineering Assistant DC:ob ' /'1 � � LAW OFFI,CES � WEAVER, TALLE & HERRICK CMARLE3�R. WEAVE-R MERMA�N L.TALLE � YIR�(3iL C. HERRICK R06ERT MUNNB � JA�MES D.6iDBS FREDERICR W,KE18ER,JR, PATRICK J. ROCHE�JR. Mr. Peter J. Herlofsk�, Planning Assistant City of Fridley 6431 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, Minnesota 55421 Dear Mr. HerZofskyr lriarch 22, 1972 � 316 EAST MAIN BTREET ANOKA� MINNE80TA 55303 � � 421-6413 6279 UNIVER3ITV AVENUE N.E. FWIDLEY, MINNESOTA SSa32 600-3BS0 �. FIRST STATE �ANK BUILDIN6 COON RAP�D$,MINN.55433 � 76�6�1330 3,.S. ��71-08: Clifford Thoe L. 125 ft. of L. 18, Bl. 2, Central View Manor. I acknowZedge receipt of your lettcr of March 14, 1972, wherein the Planning Commission requests an opinion concerning a certain lot split. In your Ietter, you indicated that a property owner owns property presently zoned �aommercial. On this property is a gasoline service station and a residence. The owner desires to sell the service station but maintain his residence in the house. You ask whether the city can split the lot and yet maintain soirre control over the use of the property presently having the single famil� residenee. ^ I beZieve that the city and the property owner can enter into an agreement whereb� the use of that portion of the Zot be limited to a single family home, or in the alternative, that if it is to be sold that it must be sold in conjunction with the adjoining propertr� containing the sertrice station. This would be a mutual agreement, the consideration for which would be the granting of the 1ot split. A simiZar type agreement was entered into between the city and the developers of Holiday North. You may wish to examine that agreement. Perhaps a betfer alternative wouZd be to have the propert� owner explore the possibility of selling the entire tract to the prospective buyer of the service station, with a provision in the sale that he may continue to live in the single famiZy home for an agreed upon length of time and at with our without additionaZ consideration, depending on the negotiation between the land owner and the prospective purchaser of the service station. If the rental course was followed, the city wouZd not need to split the Zot and the problems that yau refer to would be auoided. Since Iy, , /� ' �� Virgi Z C. Herri ck ^ VCH/jlh �►�� n PI.eNNING COI�Il�lISSION 1�ETING MARCH 22, 1972 � PAGE 1 Tha meeting was called to order by Chairman Erickson at 8:05 P.M. ROLL CALL: Membe.rs Present: zeglen, Erickson, Members Absent: Minish Others Present: Peter flerlofsky, Fitzpatrick, Sch�deke Planning Assistant APPROVE PLANNING COA�IISSION MINUTES: MARCH 8, 1972 The following correction by Chairman Erickson was made: Page 4, Item 1 in the center of the page should read: "Whether or not the City could impose any restrictions on the use of the property so that they would not be forced to grant a permit for an additional commercial use if the Iot split were granted." MOTION by 5chmedeke, seconded by Fitzpatrick, that the Planning Commission minutes of March 8, 1972 be approved as corrected above. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PARKS AND RECREATION COA4ilS5I0N MINUTES: FEBRUARY 28, 1972 MOTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by 5chmedeke, that the Planning Commission receive the m:inutes of the Parks and Recreation Commission m�etinq of February 28, 197?. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the mo�ion ea�cxied unanimously. RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEAY�S MINUTES.: MARiCH 14, 1972 � 1MOTI'ON by Zeglen, seconded by Fitzpatrick, that the Planning Co�anise3on receive the minutes of the Board of Appeals meet3ng of 1�/srch 14, 1972. Upon a voice vote, all votinq aqe, the motion carried unanimously ,,i 1. CONTINUED: LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. �71-08, BY CLIFFORD THO$: The Eaat �`-- 125 feet of Lot 18, Block 2, Central View Manor. The owaer wishes.to split off his residence, approximately 70'x100' aad sell balaace of lot to service station leasee. Mr. Clifford Thoe was present. The letter f±rm the City Attorney dated March 22, 1972 in answer to a request concernfa� this lot split was read by Peter Herlofsky. Meatioa wae ^ made of an Agreeu�r�t used in Holiday Village North which shav►ed haw an agree- ment could be writtep. Tha assessments against the praperty were $2�512.99. Mr. Thoe was infosv�ed that the aesesementa could not bo eplit tusl�ae there wae a lot s$lit. `. � :� Planning Commnission Meeting - March 22, 1972 Page 2 /� The Chairman explained that the City Attort�ey felt, in his opinion, that certain agreements can be entered into so that if the property was sold, it must be sold with the adjacent property. He suggested auotiher alternative was to sell the entire property with the provision that Mr. Thoe live in the home. Chairman Erickson ask.ed about the terms of the sale. Mr. Thoe said the lessee has a five year lease with the option to renew, and he has a au�all mortgage. Mr. Thoe asked if he could keep the request open. Chairman Erickson said the item could be continued fox 90 days, and then if he did not come back within 90 days, the Commission could act to deny Qr drop the request. 1►inTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Commiss.ian table for 90 days the Lot Sp1it Request, L.S. #71-08, by Clifford Thae �fox the East 125 feet of Lot 18, BZock 2, Central View Manor splitti,�g o�f the residence, approximately 70`x100', and if Mr. Thoe has not been heard f�om within that lenqth of time, the Planning Commission w311 dispose of the lot split request as they see fit. Upon a voice vote, all voting ay�e, t.+h� motion carried unanirrbusly. .�.�.� - -- � 2. TAX FOBFEIT PRiOPERTY IN FRIDLEY: DISCUSSION WITH MIKE 0� COMNIISSIONER. /'1 Mr. 0'Bannoa and the Planaing Cammni�eion. discuesed Che tax �orteit �Qx1s from a list and maps prepared by Mr. 0'Bannon. This waa an iufortaative di�� cussion requiring no action. 3. COI�tERCIAL ZONIDIG REVIEGI..MATERIAL; C-1 and C-2, C-1S and C-2S. Propa�ed Oxdinance Ameadin� Section k5.103 Re�ating to the Lo� Area atui I�ot Wid�h Requirements for C-1, C-�.S, C-2 and C-2S. - Mx. Herlofsky explained that an aiaend�aent ta the Zoning Ardinanca s+�qui�+�d a publ�c hearing before the Plaaning Ccm�uission aad �he Counai].. It w�►t�ld b� possible to set the date for the 19th of April and becausa �ew pepple lpv'� a� the public notices, the suggestion waa made to get the ann4uticetaen� oA t�s fxont page of the Sun. MQTION by Schmedeke, seconded by �eglen� that the F1a�iny Comm.iaar3o� ��t the publie hearing date of April 19� 197.? %r t�ie amendment �a Soatiot� 4a�.103 �elatir�g to the lot area and lot width requirements �'or C-1, C-1S� C-�r �-�?S changing fihe lat area from 25,OOP squ�.�a► !`eet to ?Q,OOQ �squ�tt� te�t, a�d ahanQe �e lo-� width from ?00 feet to 36Q ,�aet. ilprar� et Pcic� vato, �t11 t1`ot�ny aye, th� u�otion carried unax��mously. 4, INFORMAL REVIEW OF xEZONING REQU�.ST. ZOA �72-03. BY WALL CORP.s Tha �mst Ha1f of the Eas� I3a1i af the Southwest Quart�r oi Sectioa 14, sxc�pt �asx pla�ted a� Upl.aad lax Addition a�d tJpland 2r�d Additiar� and sxcspt paxC /"� sold ta Dr. Trezoaa, to be rezaasd gram R-1 to R-3 ior towt�houae�a a�d apaztments. /`1 � �� ,' /'� , w� planain Coamtseion Meetiu - March 8 1972 P dirQCtly uader the building. Comstock & Davis recommnended cast iron umder the buildiug. Now it is an open ditch draining the ax'ea over Lot 2. Th� pipe, iulf way in the �lot, is already there. We will sdd to ��8 differen�t�placeh• When the entire area is developed, the drainage may g NOTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the Public Hearing for t.he Revision to the Special Use Permit, SP #71-09, by 5ocial Aynam.ics, tv enlazqe the site to include the Sast 45 feet of Lot 3, Blxk 1, Oak Hi11 Addit3on be closed. Upon a voice vote, a11 v�oting age, the md'tion carried una�imously. MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Fitzpatrick, that the pl$r�r�in9 Cp��O� recc�e�d approval to the City Counc3l of the vacation request, SAV 1�72-01� by Russell Xedge to vacate Madison Street lying between 8locks 1 and 2, Oatk Hill Addition subject to xetaining the Northerly 10 iset %r utility� and �Yz'ai,r3a�e� the Southerly 25 feet far 5tandard Oi1 CoJnpany pipel3ne, a dediaataton Qf the Mesterly 4 feet of F.ot 1, 81xk 2 for the old existing Watesniai�, ded�a�ttiqn O�° the Southerly 6 feet of Block I and the Southerly 6 feet o� Lo� l. 81vck �?. �a the dedication of the Northerly 10 feet of Block 1. Upon a voice vote, �ell� vnting aye, the motion carrfed unanimously. M�TION by Schwedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Comr�t#s�ion reco�amend approval of tho Lot 5plit request, L.S. #7Z-Ol, by Gerxal G• gerringer to split Lot 3, Block 1, Osk Hi11 Addition in half subject to th� City receiving a 10 foot easement on the North and a six foot easement on the South subject to the vacation of the street. Upon a voice vote, all votil�g ayQ. the motion carried unanimously. 1MDTION by F3tzpatrick, seconded by htinish, that the P1an�ing Comrai�srior� recommend to the Council approval of the Revision to the Special Use Pe.rmit, Sp �71-09, Social Dynamics to enlarge the site to include the Sast 45 feet of Lot 3, Block 1, Oak Hi11 Addition to permit construct3on and operatiqn of a day nursery and learninq center per City Code 45.051, 3-F. Upon �t va3ce vca�� all voting aye, the motion carried unantaionsly. 5. LOT SPLIT UEST: L.S. #71-08 BY CLIFFORD THOE: The E�aet 125 feeG of Lot 1, Block 2, Central View Manor. Owner wiehes to sp11t aff reaidsACe, approximately 70'x100', and sell balance of lot to service statiot� ].es�ea, Mr. Clifford Thoe was present. Mr. Schmedeke ex�lained Lhat thie item waa before the Subco�aaitt�e a coup�.e of timea. 4ne time they oeat it back becauoe of the hookup of the aewer iins. About oix months later the request again cama before tbem, and the Subcomaai.�t�e racom�ended approval. 1dr. Schmedeke said tbe new size of the lot was wuch $yna�,ler thaa the City requirementa. He personally felt that, i1►aatauch a� xt►i� wss aomething that happened in the past, and Mt• Thoe has a chance to �e11 �he co�naercial part of the proparty keegiag the part hia home ie bui�.t an. Thia ie anotber example of tha rea4on for chan8iag the Zoaiag Ordiaaaca lot raquixs- mente 1n commeuial areaa. He also felt the fee owner p�cobably has tha �r1$l�t to da pretty much ao he likaa witb his property. He thought that, at sa�e time in tbe future� v�ry lik�ly thi.s property Wi.11 be befcre tha 8ubaomalttsa pi,th a rsqueat for one parcel. � �J,� � .r�• - March 8, 1_9_72 �A�� 4 Chairman L�ric.lceon �aid that if Mx. Thoe �old the stati.ou, 'hie �ou�� pa� � the fsct, as Mr. Schmedske r�aid, that �re Would cc►�tinue to have the ex�.st1A$ uas of the propertq, that is, co�mercial propexty Mi.th st bcwas om it. �� ths Co�maissian did split not think�the com�unity WOU�1(�iW8At them to�daxt�►�CR� �� Qf property. Be did The Chais�awn cont�aued that he did Nish �o help Mr. Thoe at�d hie pxQ1��'a1+ If the Co�amoaission did approve tk�e lot split, the City wou�.d havs ts► haYe► ao�w kind of agreetaent that hie property would not be a com�set�cia� developmaA�+ �� land with the hou�e �a much smaller than many other pie�cea of p�cQp�►�xy* Mac. Thoe said he had been in this place ever since 1951. #�e �aked if the�re would be an objection to contiauing the stnallex pa;cel ae a re�ideac� �av�x the yeara. What is the main objection? �Te waa told thaC tha �'1��.'a$ Gaa�a�.�s�om has been working with the Zoning Ordinance and the last chan�� wa�� 25,000 equ+�� eet for C-1 and C-2. '1'he 7,000 aquare feet is too amall an atea. Mr. ThOe aaid he was put feet forpsBroad�, heelostrthatemuch a theeSouCh��id�t� �� to dadicate 33� This could almost be considered to be a hardahip case co�mt�d Mx. ��da�� , so if the City could draw up an agreement whereby thia homeslta WQUI�I xe�VA�'t '� back to the station, there would be some protection. /'� /'1 The Chairman said the taxes can be split, but not tbe a�asaetaeat� wi�l�out goimg through the City procedure tor a lot aplit. It 1s posa�ble to put Ch� mortgag� on the p=operty, even if the tazes ar� not split. 1�Ir. Thoe said Che �tatioa wou]d be mortga�ed separately. Chairman Erickson aaid he would auggesC the Commisaion �ind out 'Chs a�s�we�s to the following items before they rule on it: 1) Whether or not the City could impose any rsstrictions an tha us� o� th� property �o that they would not be forced to grant a 1ot split. 2) If the division Were made, would the ts�e be divided? 3) Wau1d aeaessments be divided? Mr, Schmedeke would 11ke to aee a covenant on the hame that Mx'� Thoa q�'►p ap that it would clear the City if, in the future, someone ahou3�d wan� td . ue• that small piece for a com�ercial use. 1MOT,TQN by Minish. seconded by Scivaedeke, that �he Plaru�ny Gomm.�,aion tdtb.le 10 �ti�e I�o� Spli� request, L.S. N71-08, by Cltfford Thoe to spZit t�he 8a�� 1Z� �'�� vf Lot 18. 81xk 2, Centxal View Manor by splitting off tho �'as.�derive�. U�At3 �t v�o�tae vote� a11 voting aye, the motion carried unani�noumly. 6• VA,��TO,N xEt;u�S�r t awv s �� l�,� feet of �hs Westesly 1 to build a two car garaga. 'Mac� T.auren� waa present. �. ZAURENT t Vaaa�e tho ��.�l�'��'� � �a.001G � � �'�Ia�1f��TQ�1� 11 �'iQl�l�'ii ww _ CITY OF FRIDLEY � ' �� PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS- STRLETS & UTILITIES SUBCOrIlrffTTEE MEETING FEBRUARY 9, 197 2 7:00 P.M. PAGE 1 The meetiag was called to order by Chairman Schmedeke at 7;05 P.M. _ ROLL CALL: �^ Members Fresent: Schmedeke, Meissner, Engdahl, French, Forster Members Absent: None , Others Present: Darrel C1ark, Engineering Assistant � CANTINUED LOT SPLIT REQUEST, l,. L.S. �71-08,.BY CLIFFORD TAOE: East 125 feet '�' of Lat 18, Block 2, Central View Manor. Mr. Clifford Thoe was present. Chairman Schmedeke explained that Mr. Thoe had been before the Subco�ittee on June 16, 1971. 'I'his request reminded' him of a similar situation in his own exper- ience. The City Manager, at the time he was going to build on his three lots, suggested the home be put on the Northwest corner of the three lots. Afterwards he wished that he`had put the building where �e wanted to instead of taking advice. He felt this could be a similar situation. The Subcommittee knows that this parcel ^ does not meet the area requirements of a C-1.district even before splitting, it has only 22,000 square feet. Mr. Thoe said that he was informed he would have to retain an easement for sewer aud water to serve the house; however, the sewer is in the street and he is hooked up to the sewer. The water he gets from the station. He used to have a well that supglied both the house and station. When water came through, he hooked up to the service station. He has been paying the water bill for both the station and the house. Mr. Schmedeke said that if the split went through, Mr. Thoe would probably want to have a separate hookup for the home�. Mr. Clark said he did not think it would be hard to get a wat:er easement along the Western side of the service station up to 73'� Avenue. He would mention that Mr. Thoe would have to get a certificate of survey fer the exact location of the house and service station. However, as it is expensive to get a certificate of survey, the Planning Commission ma.y not require it until the Council makes a decision. � Mr. Meissner said the driveway was discus�ed, but not solved. He asked Mr. Thoe how wide a driveway was he anticipating and how an�.ch room did he actually have? Mr. Thoe answered that the house is 24 feet fro� the East line and he would ^ have a 10 foot wide driveway. The driveway could al.s� be put on the West side of the house. The people who used to live in the house drove out that way. It � �. � � � �� Plata & Suhs-Str & Uti1. Mtg. - Fehruary 9, 1972 Page 2 was just a matter of moving the fence. After the exact location of the lot line was determined, the fence could be replaced. Regarding the address, Mr. Thoe said there were.two mail. bc�x�s outs3de of the filling station now. The house would have a 73rd Avenue address and the filling station Central Avenue. Mr. Schmedeke said consideration should b e givea that Mr. Thoe is the fee owner and the apglication for the lot split is the way he wants to go. He felt that Mr. Th oe should keep a 10 foot easement on the West side of the station for water. Mr. Clark summarized the comments as follows: A 10 foot easement should be retaiaed either on the Southerly part of the property or the Westerly part. The. size of the lot would be approximately 70'x100'. . lMOTIDN by Meissner, seconded by French, that the PZats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recorr�nend approval to the Planning Comm.ission of the Lot Sp1it Request, L.S. #71-08, b� CZifford Thoe, in accordance with the Zatest drawing, dated February 4, 1972, presented this evening in the Agenda creating a residential _. . 1ot approximately 70'x100' with the recommendation that the owner retain an ease- ment for water access either to 73� Avenue or Central Avenue at his discretion and that he be required to get a survey prior to final approval because the house and station are going to be close to the new Iot line. Upon a uoice vote, a11 voting aye, the tnotion carried unanimously. ` /'�, Mr. Thoe was informed that the Planning Commission would hear his request at the March 8, 1972 meeting. ..__.-.-.------_ .�, _ 2. REQUEST FOR A VACATION: SAV �72-02, BY JOSEPH A. T�AURENT: To vacate the Easterly 4.S feet of the Westerly 15 feet of Lot 5, Block 1, Swanstrom's Court Addition. Copies of the letter sent to Mr. Laurent on February 1, 1972 written by the Engineering Department were given the members. The letter was in response to possible vacation of a storm sewer easement adjacent to Mr. Laurent's home. The existing easement was 15 feet wide with a 12 inch pipe placed on the center. The pipe �s between 6 and 6'� feet deep. The Engineering Department and Public Works staff reco�end that the top of the'footing for the proposed garage would be at the same elevation as the bottom of the storm sewer, Mr. French commented that the building would be roughly two feet from the center of the pipe. If the pipe had to be dug up, the deep footing would prevent the risk of the ground collapsing. He could not see t�at he would have any objections. He felt the chance of having to dig up that pipe would be rather small. ' Mr. Clark said that Mr. Laurent could take bids ar estimates to see if it would be a feasible thing to do. Normally, a reinforcement is not put in. This request has been discussed with both Public Works and [he Engineering staff. They � felt there would be no trouble going down to the pipe. Probably just the portion of the easement next to the house would be vacated. The manhole to the West and behind the house is 22 £eet awaq and is four feet in d�ameter. It is far enough `�4 Plats & Subs -Str & Util Subcom Mtg - Ju�e lb, 1971 Pat�e 4 I ' Mr. Meissner said he felt the purpose of the Subcommittee was one of fact � :finding, and the real action is taken at the Planning Commission and City Council level, therefore he made the following motion: MOTIDN by Meissner, seconded by Pierce, that the Plats & Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcorr¢nittee send the propased p1at, P.5. #7I-02, Briardale, by Mi11er Xomes, Inc., being a replat of Lots 1, 2, 3, BZock 3 and Outlots #1 and #2, Cochran's Addition to the Planning Commission without recommendation pointing out to the Planning Corrsnission the probleaas of street grades, street dedications, storm and sanitary sewer are present as discussed in the Subcom- mittee minutes and point out that fi ve lots and oae interior Iot do not rneet the plattinq ordinance requirements. Upon a voice vote, Meissner and Schmedeke voting aye, Pierce, Crawder and•Engdahl voting nag, the M(?TION FAILED. Mr. Crowder said the Subcommnittee was there to serve a purpose. They have seen the site of the proposed plat. If they feel more facts would be beneficial, that is what they should ask for. If they felt the facts are adequate, the members should base the decisioT on that. He would go along with Mr. Meissner but he would xequest that he reword the motion so that it either spells out what we approve or disapprove. Mr. Meissner said that his reasoning was it seemed to him their com4nittee is more or less a fact finding one. There are a number of problems he would like to clear up and a public hearing before the P�anning Com�ission is already scheduled. Mr. Pierce said that Mr. Crowder's testimony �ade him change his mind. He ^ did not have any objections as f ar as the lot sizes go. He recognizes all the other problems, b ut , basically, the lot sizes are O.K. if the problems can be solved. MOTION by Crowder, seconded by Engdahl, that the PZats & Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recommend approva� of the preliminary p1at, P.S. #71-02 and Vacation #71-03, by Miller Homes involving Lots 1, 2 and 3, and Outlot #1 and Outlot #2, Cochran's Addition, based on satisfactory solu- tions to the following problems: Proposed grading in the PreZiminary P.iat raises unsolved questions regarding storm sewer, sanitary sewer, street dedica tions and possible condemnations o� adjoining 1and; also pointing out fi ve corner Zots do not meet the minimum standards and one interior lot, Lot 9, B1ock 2, does not meet the ordinance standards but are acceptable as the� stand on the propased p1at, Briardale, drawn br� Sub�rbaa Engineer.zng, Inc., May 1971. Upon a voice vote, Crowder, Engdahl and Pierce votiasg aye, 5chmedeke voting Nay, and Meissner abstaining, the motion carried. 3. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. ��71-08, BY CLIFFORD �. THOE: East 125 feet of Lot 18, Block 2, Central View Manor. Mr. Thoe exglained Lot 18 has 175 footage on U�d Central Avenue and is 125 feet deep on 73rd Avenue and 73� Avenue. The residence is on the Southwest corner of the lot, and has a double garage. Re wan�s to split off the resi- dential area which is 70'x103' leaving the rest of �he lot for the service ,� station. The filling station would have 175 feet �long Central Avenue and � 125 feet on 73� Averiue. He left SS feet on 73rd �ve�ue adjacent to the reaidential area for the station to give hi� enougln parking. If the residential lot would not come up to the City requirements, he �rould take the parking area from the station and bring it up to almost 9,000 s�uare feet. The garage is �� ' `�"�- Plats & Subs -Str & Util Subcom Mtg - June 16, 1971 Page 5 ' st the Northeast cor,ner of the lot adjacent to the filling station property and ^ he drives into the garage from across the filling station property. His house ta.¢es Ce�tral Avenue. The neighbor to the West has a fence-about two feet into ` hi.s lot. Mr. Clark said the property is zoned C-1, and being C-1 under the present ordinance, the lot does not meet the present code. The house has been there for 22 qears . Mr. Thoe said the fellow who is leasing the station now, wants to buy the. land and would like to buy the house, but can't swing both. Mr. Crowder stated he felt uneasy about taking a commercial lot already too small to meet present requirements and splitting off part of it for a R-1 use. He felt that one day the entire parcel would be one cammercial site. He asked what the description would be like. Darrel Clark said it would be the South 103 feet and West 70 feet of the East 125 feet of Lot 18, Block 2, Central V3ew Manor for the residential lot. Mr. Meissner wondered if the garage could be moved and then split the lot. fle felt the request was somewhat questionable as to the feasibility of this split. Mr. Thoe said the station is 40'x60' and the station agent is going to put in another pump. He has room to build out.to the back. Mr. Schmedeke said that if the property owner figures this is what he is ^ going to do, he did not want to deny him this privilege. But Mr. Thoe should have a way into the double garage. Mr. Clark said it might be difficult fio get a mortgage on the house. With the house in C-1 property, it is a non-conforming use. Mr. Crowder said he could not see, basically, creating two lots which are substandard. The use of this lot should be singular. Because of the zoning, it would not meet commercial requirements. It was mentioned he would go to the Board of Appeals for_a variance. The petitioner has to prove why he has to have the variance. The property to the No�th is light industrial, to the East is comu►ercial and light industrial South of 73rd Avenue, the lot to the West is commercial and further West light indus- trial and to the South it is commercial and light industrial. Mr. Crowder said he stil.l did not think he was convinced it would be a good idea because, by splitting the lot, you would be creating too many problems. fle was not certain that the entire lot might be worth a lot more than two par- cels. Because it is zoned commercial and creating a residential lot, he did not believe it was in the best interests of the City of Fridley. He asked if Mr. Thoe could look a little harder to get a buyer for the entire lot. Mr. Thoe said he had to talk to someone else, � selling to someone else, , lot were split, the taxes only one buyer. He was the lessee. There is no chance as he has a five year lease and option. As far as it was aut of the question. He was told that if the on the two parcels would he more than oh one. - �� /'� � �lats & Suhs -Str. & Util Suhcom Mtg - June 16; 1971 Pa�e b ' Ciiairman Schmedeke said he had mentioned it at the Planning Com¢nission level • of which he is a member and is looking out for the benefit of the City, but when a problem like this comes up, the property owner comes first, then the neighbor, and then the City. The Citiy will be here long after we are gone, but these people will not and the neighbors will not. You should look at the property through the eyes of the present owner. Mr. Crowder said he was more interested in the long range aspects of the corner. We are looking at it for today. Because of the City, we should be looking at it that way. Chairman Schmedeke said.that the Subco�mnittee is not asked to change the zoning. Eventually the property could be sold in a complete package regardless of the lot split. Darrel Clark said Mr. Thoe would have to get an easement for sewer and� water across the filling station property, as the house is served from there now. Mr. Crowder said he would like a motion to continue the lot split and request the petitioner to go back and consider moving the lot line closer to the pumps, some thinking as to easement for sewer and water, some idea how to get the driveway easement from the station out to 73� Avenue exit, to go back and put these thoughts on another piece of paper and come back. Mr. Thoe �aid he could change those lines now. He cauld put in anything else they might request. /'1. - lMDTION by Crowder, seconded by Meissner, that the PZats & Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcommittee continue the lot spZit request, L.5. #71-08 by CLifford J. Thoe, for the East 125 feet of Lot 18, Block�2, Central View Manor, untiZ such time as the petitioner comes back with a drawing indicating some of the things the Subcommittee talked about such as easements relative to water and sewer, placement of driveway, exact Iocation where Iot line wouZd be. Upon a voice vote, aIl voting aye, the motion carried vnanimously. 4. LOOPBACKS: .�,____--..o...-.�.�__., � Continued until the next meeting. ADJOURNMENT : . MOTION by Pierce, seconded by Engdahl, that the Subcommittee meeting be adjourned at Z0:45 P.M. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. • Res ectfull,y ubmitted d�✓� -�,..: Ha�Brian ^, Recording Secretary 0 : • , : � � _ _ _ � % --- — --- — . , .. _: . '._ � � ... . _._ _ . _ ___, _ _ � ` - - - - � - _ _ , � . ___. _ _ . _. : _ . .�� N_ `��,.. _� ___. �.S. ��71-08: Clifford J. 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