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PL 05/17/1972 - 30350�`1 CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COI�IlrILSSION MEETING MAY 17, 1972. PAGE 1 CALL TO ORDEP,: The meeting was called to order by Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick at 8:05 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Member Absent: Others Present: Fitzpatrick, zeglen, Schmedeke, Minish (8:30 P.M.) Erickson Darrel Clark, Engineering Assistant, Peter Herlofsky, Administrative Assistant APPROVE PLANNING CO�SSION MINUTES: MAY 3, 1972 Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick asked that the minutes show that Mr. Minish arrived at the meeting after Item 1(Proposed Zapata Restaurant at 5905 University Avenue) had been acted upon. Another correction was on Page i4, the closing sentence of Items 5 and 6 (Western Stores) should read: "Mr. Minish asked if it were possible to get a survey of ordinances that were not being enforced because of difficulty of !�� enforcement or lack of manpower and a list of violations of the Western Stores." �, r"1 MOTION by Zeglen, seconded by 5chmedeke, that the Planning Commission approve the minutes of the May 3, 1972 meeting subject to the above corrections. Upon a voice vote, all votinq aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: MAY 4 1972 MOTION by Zeglen, seconded by 5oiunedeke, that the Planning Commission receive the Building Standards-Design Control 5ubcommittee minutes of Ma� 4, 1972. Upon a voice vote, aZI voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: MAY 9 19%2 MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planninq Conanission receive the minutes of t.he Board of Appeals meeting of May 9, I972. Upon a voice vote, alI vo ting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. BUILDING PERMIT: A-1 MOTOR SPORTS BY MS. VICKY SKIFF: Lots 13 and 14, Block 2, Commerce Park, for Snowmobile & Sales Service. barrel Clark stated thzt Council wanted some guidance in interpreting the CR-2 Zoning Ordinance whether or not this type of business would fit in a CR-2 District. For the benefit of the petitioners he read from the CR Ordinance. The most pertinent requirement was "Sales incidental to other permitted uses providing that no more than 25 per cent of the floor space ava.i.lable to any . user shall be devoted to sales". Also, "Uses permitted are those which do not attract a large number of the generai public, such as retail shopping areas, and which do not generate heavy vehicular traffic". ^ Planning Com�ission Meeting - Ma 17, 1972 Page 2 ^ Ms. .Skiff said that the sales of snowmobiles and boats would not generate a great deal of traffic, surely no more than the stores in the area do now. In order fio comply with the requirement of no more than 25% of the floor space for sales, they will allocate the area shown for a showroom on the plan for a lounge area. Mr. Clark said the building will be South of the Pet Clinic. There is no problem with the land area. The question is zoning and use. Mr. Schmedeke said, in his apinion, this was one of the situations that the people coming in to buy property should consider an area where the business would fit. Mr. Zeglen said the sales would probably fit in the CR-2 more than the ser- vice angle. If they did not sell, people wouldn't come in for service. fle didn't know how much sales would be involved. Mr. Schmedeke said he did not object to this type of operation coming fnto the City. He wondered, because of the traffic generated by the Post Office, if this type of business would add to the problem. Mr. Clark said that if the Planning Commission and Council should say "No", these people would have to decide whether or not they want to go for rezoning. �•� Skiff said that they will be handling three lines of snowmobiles. If � they have three franchises, they would have more service work. Basically the /'�, building will be 3,000 square feet. The first building would be on one side of the lo't. -It is not the kind of a thing that attracts drop in traffic. They would like to be in business by July lst. �� Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick told the petitioner that if the business were totally repair, there would be no question. The Commission has to make a fine distinction. Your request has�already gone to Council and Council referred it back to us. We are obliged to give a very careful look because it would be setting a precedent. They will be using the South part of the property for parking which gives one of the questions for discussion. Certain kinds of ser- vice generate almost as much traffic as retail. Repair would generate more traffic. The assumption is then made that commercial generates more traffic. Mr. Schmedeke said he realized time is important to buyer and developer and time is always important to everyone. He did not feel a quick decision should be made. Mr. Minish arrived at 8:30 P.M. ` MOTION b� Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Commissicn table to June 2Z, 1972 the discussion of a Building Perrait for A-Z Motor Sports by Ms. Vicky Skiff, to be Zocated on Lots 13 and 14, �lock 2, Commerce Park, for snowmobile and boat sales and service. Upon a voice vote, aZ1 votinq aye, tlae uaotion carried unanimously. A � /�. �`, PlanninR Commission Meetin� - Mav 17, 1972 Page 3 Mr. Zeglen felt that because the Chairman was not present, and Mr. Minish just walking in, if they could delay this request so that they could act more efficiently. , • Mr. W. "Red" Stang said if they couldn't build in Fridley, they could go out on Highwaq �i65. Mr. Ray Wormsbecker added that they have a purchase agreement deadline for buying the piece of property. The closing date is involved now. If the request gets delayed, it might be they would have to work out some sort of extension or go to a different piece of property. _ Mr. Minish asked for an explanation of patrick said the question was whether or not CR-2 zoning. This business involves a fair the reason it was referred from Council. the problem. Acting Chairman Fitz- the use of the business fits into amount of retail sales and that was Mr. Schmedeke said that one of the reasons that he did not want to vote on this request tonight was because he hadn't had time to study the agenda as it was delivered only a half hour before the meeting. Secondly, they were once a�ain putting a C-2 business in a CR area. There are areas for that type of business and that is where they should be looking. He also felt these people were told they could run into zoning problems. The Co�ission.felt the snowmobile business would generate a lot of noise because the people would want to try Chem before taking them home. Mr. Stang said most people are in a hurry to take the machines home and do not bother to take time to check them. The machines are serviced without checking them on the street. Mr. Wormsbecker said that just now, looking at the zoning map, if they went about three or four lots to the North, �he zoning would be C-2 and they would have access to both Osborne Road and 73rd, and have the same traffic going up and down and just a couple of blocks North. They liked this site better. It has a service station down the corner with a car wash. They would have traffic in and out, otherwise they don't sell any goods or cars. These people expect to se11 2 snowmobiles a day. Such sales would not create very much traffic. If it were strictly service without sales, they would have much more tra�fic. They need a large area to show three boats. The lots at Bob's Produce were checked, but they are too large. Mr. Schmedeke said he thought the traffic was not the worst situation, but the noise and setting a precedent was the problem by allowing this type of business in CR-2 zoning. It wouldn't be long before another business would want to come in with a similar type of business. Mr. Wormsbecker felt Council's objection was whether or not the business ° would fit in the CR-2 zoning, as they had looked at the plans. Chairman Fitzpatrick said that, although Council might have had only that question, he felt there were other questions. The Commission has to look closely at this. It would not be the matter of percentage of business used for sales. -, - _ .. Planning Commission Meeting - May 17, 1972 Page 3A 2. MISCELLANEOUS INFORMAL DISCUS5ION: '�.., WALL CORP. REZONING RE UEST, RIEDEL PROPERTY: Mr. Schmedeke said he would like a map of the storm sewer district in this area showing the amount of property affected; how much each of the owners have paid; what was Riedel charged and if he had paid. Mr. Clark said he could tell what route and how much it was assessed in rela- tion to all the land around it. This is because the way the storm sewer assess- ment was set up. They charge the district and whatever it costs to take care of the district. The storm sewer will hold the five year frequency rain. Now and ,� then we get a 50 year rain or a 100 year flood. WESTERN STORES: Mr. Minish said he strongly urged that the Western Oil be tagged. The Company was well aware at the public hearing at the last meeting that they were in violation of the existing ordinance by having their miniature garden on the green area. He�strongiy urge� the City Administration to investi- gate that facility and if he does sell in violation, that the tag be issued, and aee it done prior to the meeting of June 7th. The attitude exhibited by Western Oil is they do not particularly care about following our ordinance. s Mr. Clark said N�r. Haug had stated he was going to move the miniature garden up to the building. Mr. Minish thought that if the Planning Commission wanted to curb this type of business, it might take phases, such as a series of letters that this is the last season. � VIKING CI�VROLET: Mr. Schmedeke asked if Viking �d a Used Car License. Sis understanding of the reason for the fee was police protection. He asked for a check to be made to see if other cities have a new car license. Also junk yards. MEETING: The Planning Commission decided to meet at 7:30 prior to the regular meetings, 3. PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL, PHASE I(Quadrominiums) BY VIEWCON, INC.: Condo- minium portion of total multiple unit complex on part of Outlot H, Innsbruck North Addition being the 1600 Block. Mr. Dave Phillips explained that these were new plans, the other plans being discarded. They took off the basement and relocated the furnace. There was the possibility of picking up some additional parking. He had been out relocating parking along streets and garages areas. After the trees have been pin pointed, they might be able to pick up some more parking stalls and save the trees. The centerline of the road has been staked. Most of the supplemental planning is ' evergreens. They are using gumac between planting and bringing it in. Mr. Schmedeke felt the plan looked fine and was much better than the last one with more parking and no dead end streets. Mr. Phillips said he would appreciate the Planning Commission approval of �'�`� the preliminary plan for Phase I this evening for Council action on June 5th and they would be back to the Planning Commission on June 21st. They wiV.l follow the �, _ --- .. . , - � _,:.,- Planning Comadssion Meeting - Mav 17, 1972 Pa e 3B Fridley Code. The walls are one of the major items. The biggest objection was the parking, drainage and single wall construction. The new plans will be ,^ similar to the townhouses but with no brick. They will be a split foyer design. �� 4 - � MOTION by ZegZen, seconded by Minish, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of the Preliminary Plan for Phase I of the Quadrominiums by Viewcon, Inc., being the condomini wn portion of the total multiple unit complex on part of Outlot H. Innsbruck Nonth Addition (Block 1600). Upon a voice vote, a1Z voting aye, the motion carried unazaimously. The Recording Secretary left at 9:45 P.M. 3. CONTINUED: PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN The Planning Commission continued the study until 11:45 P.M. Respectf.11y submitted �'� �x�3�-- Haz 'Brian Recording Secretary � ^ �