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PL 09/12/1973 - 7466� ^ � � A G E N D A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 12, 1973 8:00 P.M. CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: PAGES APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 22, 1973 1- 15 RECEIVE SPECIAL PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETINC�= 16 - 19 IhUTES: 3UNE 11, 1973 RECEIVE SPECIAL PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING �9 -�3 MINUTES: JUNE 18, 1973 RECEIVE BUILDING-STANDARDS DESIGN CONTROL SUB- COMMITTEE MINUTES: AUGUST 30, 1973 1. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER.ATION OF A REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #73-�8. BY NORTH SUBURBAN HOSPITAL DISTRICT: Rezone from R-1 (single family dwelling areas) to CR-1 (general office and limited business), the area South of 76th Avenue N.E.; East of 5th Street N.E.; North of 75th Avenue N.E.; and West of Unity Hospital, to allow construction of a medical office building. Public Hearing open. 24 - 26 2Z Continued until Septe�*:ber 26, 1973 at petitioner's request. 2. PUBLIC HF:ARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FOR 2g A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #73-08, BY JOHN JOHNSTON: To permit tr�ailer and truck rental on Lots 9 and 11 of Auditor's Subdivision No. 94, with exceptions, per Fridley City Code 45.101, Section B, 3, E. Withdrawn by petitioner. 3. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PF:RMIT, SP #73-09, BY OPEN ROAD INDUSTRIES: To permit a saies and service building for recreati.on vehicles on part of Lots 11 and 12, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, being parcels 2210 and 2400, per Fridley City Code 45.101, N. The same being 5500 Central Avenue N.E. Withdrawn by petitioner. 29 - 30 AGENDA Planning Commission Meeting September 12, 1973 Page 2 � � � PAGES 4. REQUEST BY JOHN DOYLE, 6305 East River Road 31 - 32 5. MEMORANDUM FROM PAUL BROWN: STAFF MEETING ON 33 - 4� PROPOSED ARMORY SITE FOFc FRIDLEY � ' � - .� _ ��d �� . . �'"'° g 1 . . � �� . � �° � � 0 1'� . � � /"\ CTTY OF FRIDLEY PLANNTNG COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 22, 1973 PAGE }. CALL TO ORDER: Vice Chairman Harris called the meeting to arder at 8:00 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Preser�t: Harris, Drigans, B2air, Lindblad Members Absent: �'itzpatrick Others Present: Darrel Clark, Community Development Adm. APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 8, 1973 Mr. Harris said a statement he made was left out of the minutes and he wou�ld like to have it included. The statement was that if the hospital at some time in the future, should dec�de that they have more land than they need in the ' parcel they are asking to be rezoned to CR-1, before they sell � the property, it revert back to R-1 zoning. MOTION by B1air, secanded b� Lindblad, ihat the Planning Commission minutes of August 8, Z973 be approved as amendea. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unaniinously. RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTESt AUGUST 14, 1973 MOTiON by Drigans, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning Comrrrission receive the Board of AppeaZs minutes of August 34, 1973. Upon a voice vote, a11 voiinq aye, the motion carried unanirnousl y . RECEIVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: AUGUST 15, 1973 MOTION by Lindblad, seconded by Drigans, that the PZanning Commission receive the P1ats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcomrrrittee minutes of August 15, I973. Upon a voice vate, a1I voting aye, the motion carried unanzmous.Zy. 1. CONTINUFD: PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING REQUES'I', ZOA �F73-08, BY NORTH SUBURBAN HOSPiTAL DISTRICT: Rezone from R-1 (single famil� dwelling areas) to CR-1 (general office and lim�ited business} the area South of ot 76th Avenue N,E., East of 5th Street N.E., North of 75th Avenue N.E., and Wes�t of Unity Hospital, to allow construction of a medical office building. Public Hearing closed. � Planning Commission Meeting - August 22, I973 Pa e 2 MOTION by Drigans, seconded by LindbZad, fhat the Planning Commission reopen the Public Hearing on rezoning reguest, Z�A #�73-08, by North Suburban HospitaZ District. Upon a vozce vote, aZ1 voting aye, the motian carried unanimously. Mr. Don Leivermann, Associate Administrator of Unity Hospital l was present to represent the petitioner. Vice Chairman Harris said the Plannixrg Commission had requested intormation from the City Attorney. Mr. Clark said there were three things the Planning Commission wanted explored_ The first thing was if the property could be rezoned to CR-1 and limit it. to medical purposes and related uses. Mr. Herrick thought this would be enforceableand if there was an agreement signed at the time this was rezoned, he thought he could defend this in court. It would be the easiest to administer because it would not require any additional Public Hearings. The second proposal to be considered was to create a Special Use in an R-1 District for medical purposes. Tliis would be a zoning change and require two Public Hearings, one before the Planning Commission and one before the City Council. This would take about 60 to 90 days and need an ordinance. The third proposal was to create a � separate medical zone and determine what uses could be in this zone. .This would require the same two Public Hearings and an ordinanee. As far as administration is concerned, Mr. Clark said we probably could work with limiting it to medical use in � - a CR-1 District but the second reading of the ordinance should.be help up until approved plans are ready for Council. We recommend that you only rezane the portion of the land they are going to use for the medical office building. : Mr. Clark said that later on in the agenda,.Council has - sent something down to the Planning Commission. This is a request . for a Special Use in an R-1 District fo allow a real estate office. . Mr, Qureshi suggested not to create a Special Use that would not be too different from other uses that could be asked far under a Special Use, such as lawyers or doctors office. As far as the staff is concerned, we wouldn't want this put into a Special Use , category because it is much more difficult to deny a Special Use request than it is to deny a rezoning request. Mr. Drigans ask�d if the Hospital District has said how much area they would need for this medical building and if they would consider just rezoning this portion. : Mr. Clark said they may or may not agree to rezaning a portion. o� the property, He said he understood they needed about /'1 three acres in the Northeast corner of the parcel, adjacent to the hospital, for the medical office building. Mr. Drigans asked if the City Attorney in considering the three possibilities, felt that CR-1 rezoning with linzitations was tr�e most enforceable. Mr. Clark said a new zoning ordinance Planning Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973 � Page "3 would be the most enforceable but rezoning it to CR-1 with a ^ special use in mind, like medical use and related uses, as long ' . as the petiti�ner signed an agreement and it was recorded at the County, the City Attorney was reasonably sure he could defend it. � Mr. Harris asked how long this agreement would be valid. Mr. Clark said it would be everlasting. It wauldn't be the same as a private cQVenant•that was only good for twenty years. � . Mr. Harris said that in a few years it could be an entirely new Hospital Board. Mr. Clark said thi.s agreement wauld be a matter of record, and anyone who was yoing to purchase the property, with any kind of title search, would be aware of what he was buying. Mr. Drigans said that without knowing what tyge of office space and who they would want to rent to, it would be difficult to define the limitations. Mr. Clark said you could define exclusions that are included in a.CR-1 District. Mr. Drigans said what if they need an accounting office of a data process system. Mr. Clark said these wor�ld be accessory uses to the main function, which WOlild be medical. Mrs. Mary Ann Johanix asked where the parking would.be for this medical building. Mr. Clark said he assumed it would be in combination with the parking lot of the hospital. Nirs. Johanix asked what else they would be building on this property. Mr. Clark said that the Hospital District didn't know and we don't know. Mrs. Johanix said they were supposed to come in with plans tonight so we could see them.. Mr. Don Leivermann said he didn't recollect anyone saying that they would be bringing in any plans in terms of a building or structure. He said the group that wants to build this building didn't want to go to the expense of architectural drawings unl.ess they had some assurance that they would be allowed to build the building. NIr. Blair sazd there was discussion at the last meeting on how many storys thi.s building would have bui. he didn't recall anyone saying that structural plans wauld be presented tonight. Mr. C1ark said the statement was made that the final step for rezoning this property would not be taken b� Council. until there are plans ready for approval. /'� Mr. Blair said Mr. Sarriuelson made the statement at the last m��t�rig abou-� final plans being submitted before the rezoning was approved by Council. and the affected proper-ty awners could see the plans before Council approval. Planning Com.mission Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page 4 Mr, Leivermann said the group of i��i�iduals wha want ta ^ own this building dor�'t want to move on anything unless they have some assurance that the property will be rezoned. Mr. Kenneth Little, 7558•5th Street N.E., said he has had some experience in the building field and no matter where you go yau have to have a se� of plans and a complete layout of how you are going to use the property you are requesting to have rezoned. l'\ �'1 Mr. Clark said this is correet. The Planning Commission is just an advisory body to the City Council, and the petitioner has stated that they woula like some indication if the rezaning request will be approved before they draw up plans. It would be hard for the Planning Commission to ask for final plans with no input from the Council. Mr. Little said he thought it would be hard for the Planning Commission to make a recommendation without any plans. Mr. Harris asked what assurances the group wanted. Mr. Leivermann said that they know the squa.r� foatage of. the building and that it will be in the same style as the hospital. The independent group that wants to build the medical buiZding would have to incorporate into a partnership, contract with an architectural firm to dxaw up plans and spend an X amaunt of dollars when they�have no idea if they will be allowed to ever build the building. Mr. Harris said he couldn't see the hang-up of drawing up some preliminaxy plans. We should have a plot plan and where th = ey tnant to locate the medical building on the property. They seem to want carte blanche on this. They want assurance from the City that this will be rezoned to sornething so they can build their building without advancing any information. They would not be able to do this in any community. Mr. Lindblad said �he problem seems to be that if it isn't rezoned, the North Suburban Hospital Board can build the building, and if it is rezoned, priv�te ownershi.p will build it, and no one wants to draw up any plans until they see which way it wi11 go. Mr. Drigans said he didn't see how the Planning Commission could take any action w.;.thout a plot plan. We have no survey of this property. Even a homeowner has to have a survey before he can do anything with his property, so he didn`t think it was too much to ask the Hospital District to have a survey prepared with. the proposed location of the building drawn in. . Mr. Harris said we should know how much property this building will need and its relation to the hospital. /'1 Planning Commission Meetin - August 22, 19�3 Pa e 5 Air. Drigans said it would cost $75 to $100 to supply a survey of this property so we can see exactly what part of this property is going to be used for the medical building. He thought the doctors could afford this. Mr. Johanix said that traffic is still going to be a major problem. He sai� Mr. Leivermann said the Hospital District can construct this building without rezoning, so why are.they going through rezoning. Mr. Drigans said the Hospital District can build this building in the present R-Z zoning, but in order for private enterprise to construct it and put the property on the tax rolls, it has to be rezoned. Mr. Johanix said they have checked with the City Attorney's office and a mec�icaZ building can't be built in an R-1 District by anyone. Mr. Clark said it would depend upon the by-laws of the North Suburban Hospital District as to whether they can build this building themselves. Mr. Leivermann said there are State laws which qovern this. Mr. Clark said it was academic as to whether the Hospital � District could build this building because the request was for rezoning so tY::at private enterprise cot;.ld build it. Mr. Little said he was against the rezoning because of the traffic problems and he thought the people had a ri.ght to know. where this medical center is going to be located. � Mr. Clark sai� the property owned by the North Suburban Hospital District is a P district which is a Public distriat. Under uses permitted it says Public buildings and uses. Mr. Johanix said then if this building was built it could not be used by doctors for an office. It could be used as a hospital but not by doctors for private offices, because this is a publie building. Mr. Leivermann said as Iong as this iand is publicly owned they can build whatever they want on th.is property as long as it is medically orientated. It is only because they �aant this group of doctors to own the building that there are asking to have it rezoned. � Mrs. Bonnie Little said she was concerned y�here this building would be located, �ahere the access caould be, and where the parking would be. She said that when they sought a legal opinion from the City Attorney, he said the.Hospital Board does have their own attorney �rho should perhaps attend these hearings so we c4uld get the legal aspect straightened out. We are very concerned about what will be built on this property in the future and where th� roads and parking ar�as will be. Planning_Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page 6 � Mr. Leivermann said he didn't think it was necessary to have an attorney at the meeting because this medical building was the only tr.ing they wanted to build at this time and as to the rest of the property, only time will tell, and no one could say at the present time what it will be used for. As to the exits and entrances and parkir,g areas, this is already controlled by the City and was not the option of the North Suburban Hospital District. Ms. Donna Marcucci, 7441 Lyric Lane N.E., said she was in favor of tne doctors owning the building but she would like to know where the: building would be located. Mr. Harris said they will have to submit a plot plan and get more specific in locating the area they want to use for construction of the medical building so we know the exact acreage that we are being asked to approve rezoning on. Mr. Drigans said we need a legal descriptivn of this acreage. Mr. Harris said they should locate where the parking will be for this building and if they intend to use the hospita�. parking lot there should be an agreem�znt worked out between thE: two groups. We should know where the access will be to this building. � Mr. Drigans said the parking requirements might be different in a CR-1 from an R-1 District or setbacks or other requirements, so they should know how much acreage they will need for this building so it will not require any variances_ Mr. Clark said he di�n't think there would be approval by Council of any rezoning until they have a final plan. /"� Mr. Harris said�he thought it would be disastrous if they' �sked for rezoning of three acres and when the final plans were ready they needed more or less acreage, and the whole thing would have to be amended. Mr. Harris s�:id the North Suburban Hospital bistrict was asking for r�zoning for private ownership of a medical office building. Under consi.deration by the Planning Commission was the best caay to handle tr.is request. They had three options. One was to recommend zezoning to CR-1 with Iimitations for medical purpose, another was to recommend that this be made a Spzcial Use in the present R-1 zoning or recoznmend a new zoning district for medical purposes. Mr. B.laiz and Mr. Drigaris said they were in favor of CR-.I rezoning with limitations. Mr. Clark said this would be the quickest way to han�le this request. Mr. Harris asked wnat would happen, if a�ter a peri.ad ot times the doctors wanted to sell this building. Mr. C1ark answzrec� that any use tk�.is building might be put to would have to come back to the City Council. � ^ � � Planning Commission Meetinc - August 22, 1973 Page 7 Mr. Lindblad said the limitations for medical purposes would still hold. Mr. Drigans said he was not in favor of a Special Use in an R-1 area for medical purposes because it would open the door to too many other related uses. He said the Hospital Board is asking to rezone 11 acres. He asked Mr. Clark .�� we can recommend that less than this amount be rezoned. Mr. Clark said they could. MOTIDN by Drigans, seconded by BZair, that the PZanning Commission conti:nue the Public Hearing for rezoning request , ZOA #73-08, b� North Suburban Hospital District, to rezone from R-1 (single famiZy dweZling areas) io CR-Z (general office and Zimited business) the area South of 76th Avenue N.E.; East of 5th Street N.E.; North of 75th Avenue N.E.; and West of Unity Hospital, tp a11ow construction of a medicaZ office building, until September I2, 1973, to a12ow the interested parties of this rezoning request to prepare a preZiminary pZot plan showing the specific area for the medical building, giving the approximate Zocation and size of the pxoposed building, with a Iega1 description of the building and showing parking and access. Upon a voice vote, aZI voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. PUBI,IC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY FLAT, P.S. #73-06, HARRIS LAKE ESTATES, BY DAV�D �iARRIS: A-replat af Lots 2 and 3 and.parts of Lots 4, 5 and 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, being bounded on the North by Mississippi Street, an the West by Arthur Street, and on the East by East City Limits, �and on the South by Rice Creek Road. Mr. David Harris was present. Vice Chairman Harris read the Publ.ic Hearing notice. Mr. David Harris said the areas that comprises the plat is 30z acres. The total acreage of the area is 36 acres. AlI the 73 lots are for single family homes and the lot sizes have been checked by the Gity Eneineeer and conform to code. The City has requested that the ponding area be used for storm sewer drai.nage and there is an agreement that has been worked out with the City. There will be alI blacktopped street with concrete curb and gutter. There are drainage easerr_er_ts on the plat and a storm water drainage sy�tem. Of the 13 parcels that make up this plat, i am owner or contract purchaser of 11 of the 13 parcels. Mr. Harris continued that at a previous meeting of the Plats & Subdivisicns-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee there caere stipu- lations made and he has agreed to a11 the stipulations. Mast of the recc�mrr,endations are incluc3ed in the revised plat presented tonight. The trees are not sho�ln, but he does agree to that stipulation. _ i`1 Planning Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page 8 Vice Chairman Harris said he would read the stipulations and then they would go back over them individually. 1. Drainage and storm sewers be determined before development. 2. Temporary turn-around provided at the end of 63rd Lane. 3. Under.ground utilities be used. 4. Include a tot lot cn the plat. 5. Developer plant a tree on each lot. 6. 7. Foundation elevations be established and checked for. waterproofing of foundations. Radius be provided at all intersections. On the first stipulation Mr. David Harris said the ponding area which is about 5 acres will be an Outlot. This pond does go into New Brighton and will encomgass a ten acre lake. The drainage wil.l come f.rom South of Rice Creek Road and drain North and will go into a sluice gate at the ponding area to maintain a rea�onable ^ amount of water. There is a storm sewer easement on Lots 15,16� Il and 12. The City Engine�r said this was a satisfactory way to handle the strorm sewer drain«ge. Mr. Mike O'Bannon, Gounty Commissioner, who is here tonight suggested just before the meeting, that the storm water North of Mississippi Street could be drained betweeen Lots 1 and 8 back into the ponding area. : Mr.�Drigans asked Mr. Clark what ditch was referred to in the Plats & Subs minutes. Mr. Clark said there will be a Public Hearing by the Council on the storm sewer drainage on this plat. This . ditch would follow 63rd Lane to Central Avenue. One of the proposals to be considered is to open this ditch, which is difficuit . to find because of development and natural filling in, so the overflow can go to Moore Lake. Mr. David Harris said he understaod that there was a very minimum grade from Arthur Street West to Moore Lake and unless there was a. grea-t deal of storm water, the sluice gate would put most of the water in the pond and very little would go to P�Ioore Lake . Mr. Drigans asked if this was the storm sewer drainaqe . easement on Lots 15 and l6, Block 2. Mr. Harris said it was. Mr. Drigans asked what happened ta the water now in this � ponding area. Did the water just stand still? Mr. Clark said that because the ditch was closed, a 1at of the water was in peoples back yard when there was a heavy run-off. Planning Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973 Pa e 9 � Mr. Drigans asked if this would be like the ponding area of the Wall Corporation. Mr. Clark�said the Wall Corporation had a small ponding area with recirculated water, but the ponding area on this plat was a drainage area for 300 acres. n Mr. Drigans a=ked how deep this pond would be. Mr. Dave Harris said it was only two or three feet now but it would be dredged so that it would have a depth of five to six feet.. Vice Chairman xarris said the second stipulation has been taken care of. Mr, Harris has acquired more land since the Plats and Subs meetinc and on the preliminary plat submitted tonight there was a permanent cul-de-sac on 63rd Lane. Mr. David Harris he agreed to underground utilities. Mr. Harris said that there were 14 acres set aside for a recreational area. He said he preferred to have this called a recreational area rather than a tc•t lot, because it will bz park land that gives public access to the lake for canoes and sFil boats. This w�.11 be a grassy area and is much larg�d than what a tot lot would be. - Mr. Dave Harris said he agreed to the stipulatior� for a tree on each lot. Mr. Blair asked about the 50 year fload plain and how it will affect this plat. Mr. Dave Harris said that's why�he had requested that the pond be dredged. He thought this should take eare of any effect of this. _ Mr. Dick Harris asked if there would be a problem�of silt coming into the pond. Mr. Clark said he didn't think there would be any silting problem after it is developed. - Mr. Dave Harris said they certainly didn`t want any stagnant water and this would be taken care of with the line coming South from Rice Creek Road and the water coming in from New Brighton. , Mr. Harold Theilen, 6514 Fridley Street, said he lived on the North side of Mississippi Stree-t and he wondered if this pondi.ng area V�ould take care of the water in this area. Mr. Dave Harris said he had mentioned earlier that Mr. 0'Bannon had suggestE:d that he provide an easement so the water cauld be piped under Mississippi Street which would stablize this street. He said there would be a sluice gate to maintain an average depth to the pond and a drainage easement somewhere between Lots 1.5 and l6. r..` This wot�ld enable him to fil'1 in the l�t that would be used far park land. Nr. Ralph Rundquist, 1490 64th Avenue N.E, said they have been talking about a d.itch and that ditch just happens to run through the middle of his back yard. Are they going to put in a ditch or storm sewer or what? Planninr, Comr�ission Meeting - August 22, 19'73 Pa e 10 ^ Mr. Clark said there would be a Public Hearing before Council. Mr. Rundquist asked who would pay for this. Mr. Clark said it would be paid for by assessment by the property owners that benefited by the improvement. Mr. Russell Neuman, 1500 Rice Creek Road N.E., asked if : Arthur 5treet will be improved to Ric� Creek Road ;�or only. _ - to 63rd Lane. ' Mr.- .�lark said there woul.d have 'to' be' � a Public Hearing for the road, also. He said there wasn`t a cross street from Central Avenue to a quarter mile into Ramsay County so the City might want it opened. Mr. Neuman asked if they would be taking part of his property for 63rd Lane. Mr. Clark said it was suggested at the Plats & Subs meeting that Mr. Harris contact yc�u to see if some agreement could be worked out for the . property that was needed to keep 63rd Lane in line with the property lines across Arthur Street. Mr. Neuman said he didn't want to sell his property. - Mr. Clark sai� there is another problem. Clarence Olson who lives on Mississippi Street owns the large rectangle shown on this plat, and a large portion of this will be in the ponding � area. The City will have to have ownership of_ this a1so. Mr. Harris said that as he understands it, Mr. Olson has developed as much land as he can on his property and there is nat sufficient �,.� propFrty left for another lot on this plat. Mr. Drigans asked if al.l the lots would be buildable on this plat. Mr. Clark said that_after. all the improvements have been made on the plat, the Counczl cQUld exclude some lats from paying assessments so therE woul.d not be any tax forfeit lots. Mr. Dave Harris said that his engineers have led him to believe that there will not be any unbuildable lots. Mr. Lindblad asked what size trees would be planted. Mr, Clark said they would be 2 to 2�g inches in diameter,.he assumed. Mr. Harris said he would plant trees whether it was stipulated or not. At the present tirce the taxes on the property he is re- platting is $5500 and of this the City's share is about $600. On the 73 lots in this new plat, the homes w.zll range from #35,p00 , to $50,000 so there wi11 be a valuation of about 3 million in valuation in the improvements and structures. He said he wants ta develop this pZat �nto a real nice area. Mr. Bob Larson, 1452 Mississippi Street N.�., said he thought the whole develo��m�nt of this plat hinged on the storm sewer. Mr. Clark said this cva5 one of the stipulations of the Plats & Subs Sr:bcommittee that t.ne drainage proplem had to be solved before this plat is deve].oped,'and ther,e is no doubt that this has to be done. ^ Mr. Dalton Natyke, T464 P-iississippi Street N.E.,•-:said he questionec� wh.ether the sanitary se�,rer and water main that was now existing would accommodate this �:rea or would it have to be en- larged. Mr. Clark sai� as this area has been zoned R-1. and ti�e zoning classification hasn't changed, the existing system should 0 � /'1 � t Planninq Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973' Pa e ll be large enough. He was sure there was an 8" water main and an 8" sanitary sewer. Mrs. Roy Holman, 6500 Fridley Street N.E., said she objected to the park land. She said she was familiar with the Columbia Heig Park and all the problems it brought. Mr. rlike O'Bannon, County. Commissioner, said that when they started patro].ing this park there was less trouble. Mr. Blair.said he has sat on the Parks & Recreation Commissian for five years and she was the first person who didn't want a park in her area. He said the park she referred to was 25 square acres and was a regional park. This park would be 1� acres and would be a neighborhood park and would attract a different group. A regional park was for adults and a neighborhood park was for children. Mr. Jerald Tjader, 6563 Fridley Street N.E., said he thought the area needed a neighborhood park. Mr. Dave.Harris said he was ju.t,fulfilling a request of the City that 5� af the plat be de�icated for park purposes. He asked the Plarznirg Commission if this area should be shown on the plat as park 1and. Mr. Blair said he would like it shown on the plat and asked Mr. Harris to write a letter to Paul Brown,�� Park & Recreation Director, saying he would dedicate this area for park purposes. Mr. Dave Harris said it would save a lot af paper work with deeds, etc., if he showed it as park land on the plat when it was presFnted to the City Counc:il. Mr. Drigans asked about the dedicaion for the ponding area. Mr. Dave Harris said there was already a signed agreement with'the City. Mr. Bob Larson asked when Mississippi Street would be rebuilt.. Mr. Cl.ark said there was no schedule far this as yet. They can't rebuild Mississippi Street unti.l there is an outtall to the pond, but with the development of this plat, it is coming much closer than it is today. Mr. Walter Eyler, 1456 64th Avenue N.E., asked if the schoo�s in the area could handle the influx of chzldren from 73 home sites. r1r. Clark said that �chool enrollment is going down in the elerr;er_tary schools and� as he understands it, Gardena school is ` almost vacant, so even if it would invalve busing, he was sure no ne:w schools would have to be built. MOTION by Driqans, second by Lindblad,,that the Planning Commission close the Publie Hearing on rezoning request, ZOA r�73-OS, Harris Lake Estate, by David Harris. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting ay�, the motion carried unanimously. Planning Comntissian Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page lZ ^ Mr. Blair said the Mr. Dave Harris has agreed to alI the stipulation of the Plats & Subs. Subcommittee meeting. � Vice Chairman Harris sai� that same way we have to resolve the situation on Arthur Street and 63rd Lane. Mr. Clark sGid he would check the tax records to see if there was dedication on Mr. Neuman's property for right of way on Arthur Street. Aftex cr�ecking, Mr. Clark said there was no dedication for Arthur Street, just for Rice Creek Road. He continued that wh�n Council has the Public Hearing on the improve- ments-zri this, are�,there should be hearing on Arthur Street, also. Mr. Dick Harris asked about 63rd Lane. Mr. Clark said if Mr. Dave Harris couldn't negotiate with Mr. Neuman for the property needed for the right of way for 63rd Lane, then the .City wou2d have to acqi�ire it because it was important that 63rd Lane lined up �ith the property line West of Arthur Street. _ Mr. Daryl Wo1f, 6446 Arthur Street N.E., said he was opposed to Arthur Street being extended to Rice Creek Road. He said with 63rd Lane being opened off Arthur, you could go from Mississippi Street to Rice Creek Ro«d by taking Arthur to 63rd Lane and trer_ to Anoka Street. MOTION b� Drigans, seconded by Blair, that the Planninq Commissian recommend to the City Council approval of the proposed p1at, P.S. #73-06, Harris Lake Estates, by David Harris, being a replat of Lot.s 2 and 3 and parts of Lots 4, 5 and 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, being bounded on the North by Mississippi Street N.E., on the West by Arthur Street N.E., on the East by East City Limzts, and on the South by Rice Creek Road N.E_ , with the following stipulations: .t. Drainage and storm sewers be determined before development. 2. The City request that underground utilities be used. 3. Area be dedicated to City for park 1and. 4. Developer plant a tree on each Iot. 5. Foundation eleve,tions be established and checked for waterproofing of foundations. 6. Developer negotiate to purchase right of wa� to develop 63rd Lane N.E. � 7. Developer nEgotiate to purchase Xonding area not incZuded in this p1at. UPON a vo.ice vote, a11 voting a�e, the motion carried unanimously. n Plannir�g Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page I3 Mr. David Harris said he was concerned about the first stipulation. He s�id he: knew the intent of this stipulation, but he didn't want it misconstrued that he was rE.sponsibZe in determining the drainaqe an� storm sewers for this area. Vice Chairman Harris said it was shown in the minutes that the City had to determine this before. development. They just want this brought to the Council.'s attention. 3. REQUEST BY JOHN DOYLE (6305 EAST RIVER ROAD) Mr. Clar.k saad that on the previous Monday night (�ugust 20, 1973) Mr. Doyle had appeared befo�e the City Council asking that a real estate office be allowed in an R--I District with a Special Use Permit. The Council has referred this to the Planning Commission Last year Mr. Doyle requesteci a change in zoning from R-1.to CR-l. This was denied by Council and the people in the area were .., very opposed to this rezoning but indicated they had na objection to Mr. Doyle continuing his business without rezoning. Mr. Doyle has requested that he be allowed to continue as he is during the time it would take to change the zoning ordinance to alZow a real estate otfice in an R-1 District with a Special Use Permit: � Mr. Drigans s�.id he thought the Planning Commission.shauld have copie� of_ thE=. City Council minutes before they could consi�er this request. Mr. Cl.ark said a real estate office would be allowed in an R-1 area if the hame was used as a residence and only peaple who lived in the home worked for the real estate company. This is what our home oecupatian code states. Mr. Doyle does not use this home for a residence, anly for his business, and has outside help employed. - � The staff feels that if this is allowed under a Special Use Permit, �ae are going to be asked for a lot of similar uses. Mr. Drigans asked if Mr. Doyle was continuing to operate at this time. Mr. Clark s�id Clarence Belisle had stopped there and hE: said he was not operating as yet. Mr. Harris asked how this would fit in with the comprehensive plan. Mr. Clark said the recommendation was for a townhouse devel- - , opment in this area, no commercial. ' Vice Chairman Harris said to put this on the agenda for their next meeting. ^' 4. BOARD OF APPEALS SECRETARY � Mr. Drigans said that at the July 30th meeting with ihe �ity Council there had been discussior. of problems with various committees He s4i� that at the August 14, 1973 meeting of the Board of Appeals Planning Commiss�on Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page 14 ^ they had a reque�t for 5 variances on some property on Beech Street. The Board of Appeals denied 4 variances and allowed l. He said there was a lot of discussion on this at the meeting which did not appear in the minutes. He said this was not the fault of the staff inember at thE: meeing, but he thought it was unfair to him, to the Bo«rd of Appeals and to the Council, when thE�y didn't have a secretary�to take the minutes, so that all their discussion was not in the minutes. Mr. Clark said this may not have changed the Council's decision to approve all the variances. Mr. Drigans said he realized this, but thought more complete minutes would hE:1F clarify thE: Board's decisions. He polled the other Chairmen of Subcommittees and thE:y all said they had a secretary at their meetings. Mr. Clark said it was felt that if tr.er.e were only one or two items on an agenda a full time secreatry wasn't necessary." Mr. Drigans said he was makineals request to have a full time secretary for all Board of App meetings. /'� ^ 5. STAFF MEETING WITH NATIONAL GUARD ARMORY REPRESENTIVE � Mr. Bl.air asked what happened at the staff ineeting on the armory proposal. Mr. Clark said not much more than what happened at the Plannir,g Commissi�n meeting. The Federal government will pay 75� of the cost and thE: remaining cost will be divided between the state and local government. He was taken out to look at two sites, one in the vacinity of the Ice Arena and the City Garage, and one b�- the Fridley High School by Moore Lake. General Cheeseman will be rneeting with the Planning Commission later. He said Paul Brown�i.s preparing a resume of this meeting. 6. GEDiERAL DISCUSSION Mr. Clark said the repart on auxilliary buildings was in the process of being written up. � Mr. Lindblad asked about 5933 Main Street anc'. the: completion of the garage. Mr. Clark said it would be this fall. There was general discussion on the Metro station at 5333 University Avenue N.E. ' Mr. Lindblad askE�d why the Shorewood remodeling didn't come tc the Buildir,g Standards-Design Control Subcommittee. Mr. Clark said it was all inside remodeling, 7. COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAN Vice Chairman Harris �.sked if the comprehensive park plan would come to the Planning Commission so they could see how it fits in the Comprehensive Plan. , Mr. Blair said it wasn't scheduled for the Planning Commission. It was going to Counci.l on September 10, 1973. ^ Plannin Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page I5 IAOTION b� Drigans, seconded by Blair, that the comprehensive park plan be referred back to the Planning Commission by the City Council for an e�aluation wzth the Comp�ehensive Plan. Upon a voiaE vote, aZ1 voting a�e, thE� motion carried unanimously. ADJOURNMENT MOTION b� BZair, seconded b� Lindblad, that the Planning Commission adjourn their meeting at I1:15 P.r1. Upon a voice � vote, a1l voting aye, the motion carried ananimausly. Respectfully submitted, � � _ G�.�� ``��./ Dorothy Ev nson, Secretary �� , , n Oti COMMISSI�I MEETING. JUNE � � Mereting was call�d to �rder at 7:35 p.m., by Vice Ghairman Stimmler. � .� __ � � MEM9ERS PR�SENT; �lair, Stimrnler, Caldw�ll, Wagar. MEMB�RS �XCUSEp; Peterson. Q'FtiBRS PR�S�NT: FQSter Dunwiddie, 4b38 Casco Avenue, Mpls, 55424, 926T300B, Island� of Peace, �d Wilmes, 635Q Riverview Terrace NE, 55432, 560-3Q1�, �slanda of P�ACe. J�.m i.an$enf�ld, 79 63'� Way N.E., 55432, 560-196�, Chr. �nvironmantal Quality Contral Commission, Paul �rown, Directox o£ Parks and Recreation, Cathi� Stordahl, Secretary to the Commissian, I S�S ,OF EACE � 0 Mx� Fast�r Dunwiddie wa� pres�nt on behalf of the Islands o£ Peace Pro,��ct, to diaeuas th� paths aystem which the Seabees wi11 be in$tall�ng on ,Jun� 23rd, He showod tha Commissioners a map which had the detailed the paths whiGh will be placed on th� 9outhern paxtion �only) of Chases Island. Ths meandering trails sys�em wa� �o d�sign�d, that only about four af the larger trees w111 hav� to b� remQV�d, It wa� �lso plannad �o tMat you cannat stand �,n one iocatian and see the �n�ir� praject, T�o path� w�l� be aonstructed of a crushed limestone base, �opped with a twa �.nch bitumi.rtous wearin� substance. They will be eight feet wide with a maximum iive perc�t�t grade, The xeasaning behind the width, is so that mair�tenance v�hicles caa �xava�, throu,�haut the parl� and sa that wheel chaixs can easily �a�s without mt�ving ^ of� v� tha paths, Mr, Dunwid�iie stated that the Air Force Seabe�� are'planning to be�in const�xu�tion on June 23rd and 24th. Mr. St�.mmle�c stated xhat he had just recently walked around the Island, and was waridexiri� if they were planning to do an� dredging in the n�ar future? Mr, Dunwidd�,e �tated that they were not at the presen� time. Tho gxoundbT�aki,n� cQremany wcruld be held on Satuxday, June 23rd, with th� S�abe�es px�a�nt, Ch�ix'ma.�i 81air arrived at 7;45, t� take charge af the meeting, Mr, Blair asked if the plans had been submitted ta th,e Engineertng Department, and 3.f �o, 1f they had an� �ummc>nts or recornmendations? Mr. Dunwiddie stated that t�hey h+ad b�cn �ubmittec! anci that they could foresee no problems? Mr. Blaix a�ked that tho pians als� be submitted t4 the Planning Commission for approval. Mr, DuAwlddi� asl.ed f��r a Mution to ac�ept the plans for the paths. MOTTON b� Wagu�., See.ande.d by Ca,edwe.�X., .to aecep.t and appn.a�e �he p.ea.vc� �ax �hr� pa�thb byb�tem d¢.v�.aped by .�he le.�andd a� Peaee Camm.i,ttee. The Mo-ti.an ca�,i,e.d, MOORE LAKE STWY � Mr. Jia� Langenfeld, Ghairman of the Environmental Quality Control Commission, was � and�whett couldeb�@d4n��tofcorrect�thesproblemsdiscuss the condi�ians at MoOx'e Lake �tx', Wagar asked i# i� was worth the tims and mo�ey inVOlved tq keep MopxQ LakE► �.l.iYpY '/ Minutes of Parks t; Re�reati_on (:ommi�sic�n hlceti R� �� ST�Y c�Q�� -� a ; Juna 1�, iy73 Pa�e 2 ,. �� Mr. L�ng�nfeld zndicat�d that in his opinion, any body o£ water sucl� as w� have at Moox'e I.ak�, is w4rth investi�ating every effort ta achieve and maintain as high a£ standards as passihle. Mr. Bl�i�' suggest�d that we invite a representative of Hikock and Associates (on� of the �ampanies with a proposed study of the Lake), and Ed Braddock, th� Parks and ReCx6atican Consultant, ta be present at a special meeting on June 18th. The Cqmm�.g�ipnex�� falt that this would be a goad idea, so �hat they could dis�uss their �deas and �Sk questions be�oxe making a recommendation. A Sp��iaJ. MGeting of tha Parks and Recreation Commission will be held on Monday, .Jun� 18, 19�3, at 7;Op p,m., in the Community Roam of Fxidley GiviG Ger��ax. M�. St�mm�er aak�d that a latter Qf invitatiQn be written ia Hikack and Aaaaeiatea and to �d 9r�ddo�k. MOTION by S.t.tmm.�e,n� S�canded by Ulagan, �a dih.ec.t .�he Camm�i.ae�.on SechQ,ialcy #a be.nd a �¢,tate� p��.nv��-a n�a N�.k.a c.h, and Aba a c,i.atea ,�o mal�e a pne,e eni;a�',i.a n xa #he Panfza and R¢.eJcea-ti.an Comm.i,�sa�i.c�n and �the �nv.ih.anme►1ta.e Qua2i.ty Cawt�c.a.� Camm.Cea�.on, at a ,�o�.n.t m¢,P,�t.n� an June 18, 1973, ai 7:00 p.m., .i.n .th.� Ca►ronun.i..ty Room a� ��ey C.iv�.c Ce►�t�elt,. A�.v.�te�t. a{� �.nv.c,t.a,ti.an 4hau.Zd cc�.4a be wn.i.it2n �ta Cpn�4�.�X.t�cwt �d �c.a.ddocf� �t, c�e,nd ,�he m��iE.n� and �ehve a.e an adu�a�c .ta .�hQ �two Camm-i.da�.an.4, The Mofi.%an ca�vt.i.ed. E OF GARDENA SCNOOL PROPERTY� Mr, 8xown,c��led the Commissioner� attention to the pxopased leasing of prvp�rty bolongin� to Gaxd�na School, to be used for Park development for the neighl�orhoad. Ho �a�d th4t a�n agreement was being drawn up and h� would keep the Gommission iT��ormed af its pxogress. It was suggested that perhaps a similax agreemant couid be woxked ou� with Stev�nson and other schools in the City. PURC.HASE OF LATS ON � �./Z WAY N� E� The CammissiQn�xs di.scussed the proposal by Ed Wilmes to the City Council, to purchas@ �Qm� lota lacated pn 64� Way N.�., near the River, for a neighborhoad tot park. Mrs. Caldwell stat�d that it was h�r understanding that t�e lots had already bsen approved £or puxchase. Mr. Blai.r said that the Cammis$ianers had not bsen a�proached in xospo�t to th�:� r,�att�r, and he, personally, was not in favor of the purchase. He rem�.tlded Ghe �ommissioners that this was not one of the areas which had been noted in th9 1973 9udget requests, and that there were other areas which should hav4 a high�r pri.pr�.ty, Mx, Hlair recommended that the idea of leasing Stevenson sChool prop�rGy b0 inveatigated �ncl that the monies in the Budget be used for areas xec�uestad. Tha COm�trttissioners were all in fu11 agreement. NEW LACATION FOR FRIDLEY BUS SERVI�E� Mx, aiair ��plained the situation with the re�ocation of Fridley Bus Service. Roger Christenspn� who owns the company, has puxcha�ed a piec� oi property �ocated at � I.ot 1, 8iock 6, Rice Creek Plaza, South Addition, but has been the tapie of many a �19�ghbOrhOOd di5cussion, due to anticipated �oise and �raffic problems. �'ha resi.derits p� ��,� ��ighborhaod have approached the City Council, in an effart to blocjc the �o�s�xuCtiori, Mr. Christensori has offered tQ sell t11e property fox �35,OOp,pp� and �.� slso opC�1 �'or offars on trading prop�rty. Th� two areaa which were mentioned were the West end o� �o�ka Paxk and Jay Park, Mr. Blai.r asked �.f Jay Park could be sold or'i� it�was donated? Mr. Brown will investi�;at�. . ..,. .. ,.: Minut�s o£ Parks � ttecr�:ativn GQmmissioj� Meating! June 11, 1973. Pags 3 �0 DI.EY HUS SERYIC� �CON�T): Mlr, Stimmler felt that $35,OUO.Op was too much to ask £ar these parcels. Mr, W�gar w�itted tca know the acreage. Mr. Brown will also inquire about tYii�. Th+� pro}�erty i� px�sently zon�d i:ommercial. SALE OF PARK PRQPERTY. Tt�� Comt�i�s�4n asked fox an updating of the praposed sale of park prap�rty. Mr, Bxowt3 �t��ed that the lot on the No�th end of Chases Island could nat be scald because it �tad ba�q d�di�cat��i to th� City. The �,�� Wh��h has be�n proposed for sale at Flanery Park is still in �he pr�liminary �t�a�e�, Mr, sxQwn stated tha� ther� are presently no forseeable pxob��ms, but al� an�l�� ax� be:In� investigated by tha �ssessing Department, Mx. �r�wn infoxm�d the Commission tha� the Planning Department was pres�nt�y in the �x��$� c�� updatin� the Parks and Recreation Comprehen$ive Plan, He advised that th� Gpmnt�,��ic�per� k�ep a ciose e�� on the agenda and make every e�£ort to b� pr�sent �t �� many Qi th� meetings as possible. 197� sun��', /'1 Mx. �rowrt tuxned the Cammissipners attention to the a�enda iar the ��a aud�et• H@ po�rit�d out that th� campleted Budget requests wera due in the City Manag�r's oifiCa, no later th�n WQdnesday, July 18, 197�. The Budget wil� be submi�ted �Gq th� Ci�y �ou�cl.1 An August 27, 1973, with �lnalization scheduled £or Qctober 1St, ' M�'�. C��dW��l asked �,f monies were being included to man Moore I,ake Be�Ch, pxe and �ost s4a�oA openin,�? Mr, Brown said �hat this and other similax ideas �hould a11 be� d�tailod fox th� �ity Council's approval. Mr. Bxown said that the Poli�e+ and th� Paxk ar�d Sat�avl. Rang�r had been called to the Bea�h on many occa��ons to att�mpt to koep th� sw�mmexs out of tha water until Che Beach officially opena and there are �1f� guaxds an duty. As aoon as they left, the swi.mmers were back in th�a water, Mxa� Ct�ldwo7,1 said that she definitely felt the beac� should be manned bofare it v�fio�ally o�e�� fox safety reasons. � • - •� :� -ir There� �a mo��y in the 1973 Budget to install a fence around the lighted Football, �'#.91d locat�fd at CpmmollS Park. Quotations have bee� sent ouG and installstion is to b� campi��ed thi� Fall, Mr. Blair suggested that the fence be �.nstalled with t�a bl@achsrs ��1 on the West side and on the outside of the fence. It was recommendad that t�ho fenc� be four feet in heighth and ten feet from the playing £ield, �t Was auggosted that members of the Fridley Youth Football Association (F.Y.F•A,) bo ii►Yitad to attend a, meeting to ask for their suggestions and approval of the gropoaed plans, The Gommission Secretary will invite Mr. Berney Hartman� Pxesider�t ^ p�' F�Y.F�A, to be pxesent at a Special Meeting of the Parks and Recreation Commiss�ot� pt� �to�dsy+ Jun� 18th� and to tell him that the item will appear on th� agenda axounc� 8��3Q p�m� Minute� of th� Yarks � Recreation Comrni.ssion Meeting, Jur�e ll, 1J73, Pa e a �9 IDLEY BU8 SER1lIC� RELOCATION, Mr, Bla1r �sk�d that th� Commi.ssion requpst an easement fr�m Roger Chxistenson and �ridley aus Service, along Rice Creek. MOTION b 8.�a,ilr. Secav�ded 6 Ca.edwe,?.�, .ta ne ue�s� an �emen,t a.Q.an- R.i.ce Gneefi a¢�. �,n�un an �u e ue elcvtiee a;i � e.e�. na e1c.t aea,te a� a e , �e n�.e. aza, Sau.,t i on. � a an cafvt,ce. LACAT I ON OF AN A(3MORY I N FR I DI.�Y � On March T, 1�73, the Planning Commission received its first present�tion on a propo�ed Armory. They wAUld r�equire approximately five acres for the dev�lopm�nt, w:lth approximat��y 25q t�a 3p% of the total cost to come from the �ity of Fridley, WQ wQU�d ba ahle to mak� recommendations as ta tha design of the facility, Mx, Axown explait��d that this would be one af five tv be constructed in the area �nd �h�t oA� ha� been rec�ntly completed in Fairmont, Minnesota which eost �h� reside�ts $6,Q00.00 a yea� £ox 2S years, � Th,e build�ng would be 7QQ0 square �eet with a concxete floor and wauld inc�ude a !,'ull b�skotball court. Mr� ala�x ��ated that as far as he was concerned, thG 25a �0 30$ aver 25 years wou]�d nox b� much af �a prablem, but h1� primary concern r�as Whethex ar not we need this � tyg� of a i'acii�ty, Mrs. Caidwell felt we should be mak�.ng bettar use of the school �'�Ci1�,ti�+� we al.xe$dy have. l�r, Brown agreed, but also said that w� should really �iv� tha Axmory �u],l aonsideration, ' '�=��1-'�� i1-� MOTZON 6y S#�inm�e�c, �a adJac.vcn ,ihe mee.ii.ng a,t 9:35 p.m� The rtext maqting will be a Special Meeting, scheduled for Monday, June 18, 1973, at 7s04 p,m „ in the Gommunity Room of �xidley Civic Center. The t�ext xagu�,ar meeting will be held on Monday, July 23, 1973, at 7:30 p.m,, in the Community Room af Fridl�y Givic Center, Re#poctful,ly submitted, � � 1 �'��,,�.�' �-t�fl-! �-� �C=� . _ . ,:c 1� �, CATFIIP, STQRDAHLe Secretary to the Commission r`: MINUFES QF THE SPECIAI. PARKS AND RECREATION CQNr1�SSIAN M�ET�NC, JUNE IS, 1�%j� 2O M�eting was called to ordex at 7;25 p,m., by Ghaixman Blair, �M�M��RS PR�SENT: MEMB�RS EXCUS��: QTHFRS PR�S�NT: BJ,a�r, Stimmler, Caldwell, Wa�ax, P�terson. ,7ahn Maci,enr�an, Vic� Pxesiden�, Eugene A, Hi.Gkok �r Associatps, 545 Indi.an Mound, Wayzata, 55391, Moore i,ak� Study, Norm Wenck, Pxoject Manager, Eugene A. Hickok � qS�ociates, S4S indian Maund, Wayxata, 55391, Moore Lake Study. 6rother Tom Sullivan, 1350 Gardena Avenue NE, 7$8_,�5,�7� �yQprQ I,ake Siudy and Environmental Qual�.�y Contral Cammissi.or�, Rc��r Kaye, 585 Rice Creek Terrace, 55432, Moare �,ak� ��dY a�� nvirarunental Quallty Control Commission, i��e Ann Sporre, 301 iranton Street N�, 5543i, Maaxe �.ak� Study and �nvir4nmental Quality Contxol �ammiasion, Shirley Kennedy, 6857 7th Street NE, 554�2, 56p-4Q18, MQOra I.ake Study and �nvironmental Quality Control CommisS�on, �lim Langenfeld, 79 - 63z Way N.E., 55432, 56Q-19b�, Moor� i,aka Study and Chairman of the Enviranmental Quali.ty Contr�l Commissior�� dward Braddock, 4201 Drew Avenue South, S541pa Prpf�ssiQ�al� �ngineer and Park Consultant, Fick Gombard, 4321 Monroe Strest N.E., 55432, ,Sbq_22�,1, F,Y.F.A. a�rn�.� Haxtmany 5860 Sth Stree� N,E,, 5S43Z, S�Q..�.Qg�,� p�.��, F��.A, Ray Stewart, 547 Mill Street N,E., SS421, 788-Q�7Q,' F,Y,p,q. Gary Q'Aell, 7542 Tempo Terrace N.E., 78b-1S85, F.Y�F.A. Pau1 Brown, Director of Parks and Recreation, Gathie Stordahl, Secretary to the �ommission. �� A� HICKOK AND ASSOCIATES STUDY OF MOORE LqICE, John MacI�ennan, Vice President of �ugene �1. Hickak f� Assa�iates, and N�rm Wenck, Projoet Managor £or Eugene A, Hickok $ Associates, were present to �nfarm the parks and Recreatipn �ommission and the Environmental (juality Contxal Commissi.oM, Q£ �}�Q�r firtdings duriag theix preliminary study of Moore Lake, Ed BraddQCk3 Park Cansu7.tant, wa� also i�vit�ed ta attend, to serve a� an advisor to the GatnmiS�l.ons, Mr. Maci,ennan open�d his presentation by giving some backround or� their Ct�n�pany► and somo of th� proje�ts which•they have compieted, �uge�e A, H�ckak and qssociat�$ pxepared a study on water management for Como Zoo, the overall p�an for Mi,nnah�ha Caroek, same work on aa.t�le Creek, a project for tha Metropolitan q�rport Commissioa, and at Spri�g Lake, near Hastings, Minnesota. Mr, MacLea»an explained that from his proliminary study of Moore I�ak�, it was� iound to contairt phasph�te l�ad and chlorite, Through a more intense study� they GQ��d determina just how many different types of drainage materials are entering Moore Lake in a pariod af one y�ar, Mr� Macl.onnan mado refsrence tp the studies and effarts made at t,ako Minnetonka to pxos�rve it in ita preser�t staxe, and tha ones done at Crooked I�ake in Coor� Rapids and Coon Cz�eak which runs parallel to the Lako, bux about four b1p�� ,W�y, �e plan in Coon R�pids is to raise tho Creek water to it drains i�to the Lake, thua c�earing ^the wator. This problem wouid be similar to the one at Moora Laka, Phosghorous is ��1 tQ the oxistance of tk�a Lake. �u�'��$ 't�e aui"'VOy, �am�i�s woyld bc t�ken f�om fou� �q�ations, both cioae to s�d fa; away ��p� t�tc� axorr� �awe�c drains, According to Mx. �y�cL�nna�, rai� watex ha� �q pho��hQrou� aftar �t hit� tha grour�d �nd xuns for ��r feet, but it� tho �torin sewex water whict� �pties i.nto the i�ako, that �ontain� th� gt�p��ho�ous. ' Wiian p�osp�orou� or�tor� a laka, it b�come� the b�ce�i�� caund fpx ��,i�►gs wo dan't want, - � r .. .. .. � 4M Mat p�...�,. .. . ' ;:k'k' . � . j�fin 7y._. . . , . ".:f ° `,i'"`, � I`, . . Mi�ute$ o£ P�xks � Recreation Commzssfon Meetin , Jun�_18, �973. pag� 2 �--.,._......,... t�� ,��►�s� , ��°� . A� � p�,r� o£ tha study and caxxecti�ng �ha problems at Mqore �ak�, theY wauld bs c4ntroling th� sto�m sew�r water to benefit the Lake. 21 At thi� poir�t, Mr, MacLennan turned the presentation over to Norm W�nek, Pxojsc� ��$il�esx, Mx'. W��ck began by reviewin� some of thc ppints in their proposal. Fixst e�a�d fo�Cemos�, w� r�eed to decida on our £uture plans �or I�oora Laka, whather it pe � Swimmin� b�ach, t"ishing lake, etc., and set watex Quality standaTds. A�te+� thi9 has baen det�rmined, w� would have to se� if diversi0n Qf half p�' �k�� stprm s�wex wat�er would ts�ke care af the prablem. The cost and schedu�� waul�i be can�idared �t t1�is t�.me and the ��os�ihi 1 i t its with :�i�taining grants £or fundin�, should als4 'he �aursued . The ac�ual t��ti.ng and study wo�xld begin with a record search of othex suxv�ys whiGh i��ve bv�n condu��ed, to avoad possible duplication of efforts, Bqttpm boxin�s woujd dRtt�rmine what xype Qf sediment there is, '�he di.v�rsion idea wou�d 1�a�� th� major#�ty ��' th� starm s�wer drainage emptyin$ into the west side o� the t�ake, ].eavin� tha h�.�h�x quala�ty wat�r in the East side. The quulity of water requixec� �or ducks is mu�� 1ow�r th�n �hat needed for a public beach facility, � Mx�, Blair ssked �� an, aireation systam could pQSSibly take Garp o�' ot�r pxobl6m, by ��di.r�g aix �nd �hus reviving plant life, etc.? Mr, Wenck explained tha� xhis m�thod had bQ�n tri�d �acently in Lake Harriet. The object was to pump oxy�en into the w��er, e�liminating tha bluaRgreen al�ae,, and thus bringing green algae back iata �ho wat��. ^ Gxe�n al$ae is r�o prpblem, Thi� would only stabilize the problem, rather than corxeGt�iflg it, It wauld b� the plan pf Hickok and Associates, to go back and £ind th� sour�Ge� o� th� prok�l�m and do their best to correct �t. Mr. WenGk a�reQd that a�n a�r�a,tion sy�tem cauld possibly wark, Mxs. �parxe mentioned the fact that the Summer season was already weil underway, and a�sk�d f.f th�r@ was sti11 enough time to do a sufficier�t job? Mr, WenGk stated �ha� he wpuld profer to have a£ull year to da the study, Many times th�a can ba axpedi,ted� by atudying previoua surveys. , Mx. Wagax �sked how long Moore Lake could be maintair�ed a� a swimming bcaGh? Mr, Wanck �ta�ed that this could only ba determined by making a study and proceedin$ accardingly. Mr, Langcnfaldt wondered if we would b� spending $3,80Q.OQ to study a"cruddy�+ 1ake, to �ind ou� that 1t's "cruddy'�, Mr, Blair thanked Mr, MacLennan and Mr, Wenck for their p�esentation and said that the two CommisSiona wauld further review the proposals and make their recommendation to t�h+a City Caunciz. . Mx, B1e,ix a$ked that tha Moore Laka study be tabled �or further discusslon, later �n the meoxing, FENCI NG THE COI�TIONS FOOTBALI.. F I ELD � Barnio Hartmari, President o£ the Fridley Youth Football Associ&tion (F.Y.F.A ), ar�d � threa� ather mem6�xa o£ the Association, Were present to discuss t�e proposod insta7.�at�,Qr� o€ � chai�-r ink fence around the footb�ll fxeld at Commons pa�k, Mx, 8l,e�ix stated that the Commis�ion waa recpmm�ndir�� a four foot fenca, rathex tha� th� proposed �ix faot fence, and to place the bleacher� on tha o�t��de, with p�ayoxe or� ot�o �ide �nd spactators on th� pt?��r si�iet M�nutos of P�rks � R�creation Commzssion Meetin �une 18 �973, pa �� -��, . 22 �1r, al�ir wont on LQ explain that it was thes ieeling af the Commissio�, that if tho bloach�xs were a�i on the West side, it would keep the parents and specfiat�ors in tha b1�a�hera whare they should be, rather than walking th� sidelines and, in some caa�s, ��xt�.�$ i,� xh� way Q� the action. Mx= &ti�nm�er asked the F,Y.F,A. members to define �he reasoning behind wantin� a��nca �n tho f�xst plac�. Th�ey responded that it was p�itmarily to keep th� p�o�a18 c�u� a�r�d th�y did��t fe@J, a�our foot fencQ would take care of this. Mxs, �e�idw�ll asked if there was a problem with damage? They said that i� was minpr, but :t� wa� ati�1 the�e. � APtar a��ner�.l di:s�ussion, it was decided that all b�.eachers should ba a�t �he West �ide and players benches on the East s1de, with a six foat fenca, rather than the �'oux �oot p�� xecpmmended by the Commisslon. M4TTpN b�! S�.imm�.a�t., Seconded b y tya�an,, ,to cf i�C.¢,c.t Pau� &�.pwn �ia Kut,aee� w�i,�h �th� I��e� and �.n�a.�a.�at�.an a� a e�.x goa� Sence cu�.aund .ihe Cammone Fac�.�be�Q,� �.��d, t�u�fift c� m�.►�.fmWn d�s$ance� ag xere 6ee,i �n.am -th� ��.e.l.d c,� I�Qa.y, and p�Qac.1„n.9 c� ,�pecta.ivn h�eache►c� o�t �h.e t�e.a� d�.de and cc.P,� p�aye�s 6enchea an zhe �a�s.� .�.�d¢,. The Ma�Con ��e E L.AIC� STUDY D I SCUSS I ON ; � Mr� Blair a�k�d for further discussion on the Hickok presentatior� ta•study Moar� I.ak�, Mr� t�angonf�i'd�. ask�d if the beach should be clased? All present f�lt i� should b� ma�intai.n�d as a swimmi�$ beach. Mr, Bradda�k stated th,at lawn fertilizers and treatments are harmful tQ lak�s, FtaxelY do '�1�ey hav� to closa lakes and when they do, it wouldn't be £or more than ana day, �t wa� r�comutended that w� spend a reasonabl8 amoun�K af money to mairi'�air� Moor� Lake as a swimmin,� beach. Mr. Bxown pointed out that 19 storn� sewers feed Maor� Lak�, Mx. alaix asked for volunteers from the Environmenta� Quality Cantrol �ommisaian ar�d tho Parka ar�d Rocxeation Commission, to collect infoxmation which haa be�n Gompa.led �Nzam othar studies, and present their findings to Ed Braddock for re�ommendatian, yQlt�nta�ri�ng ior �he Committea w!ere Shirley Caldwell, LeeAnn Sparre, Ed BraddQCk a� �rt AdYispx, and a�eSident, Haze�l Q'Arian, who in the past, j�as ghown a bzg 1r�t�x�$� a�n Maare Lake. ON b cvt o#he Pcvch.� � RQeh,�on Camm.i,ee,(.on Seeand¢d b Lan eri ¢,�,� Q�,Q �co nm o a o►t�m.c.a a.c.o n p d � �' � a o1L'eQ l4 2.4 ¢ �'Q-K �� on on e co an a OOh2 e o e�,.. .,...r. �. Oh►ni He u� .. . _ - - - ..,,,�,., v�.�c aA LL�. r xo .tne.Zu.de #,ha,t n,v ac,tc;on 6e -taken on .the _Yf Nn.t n .. _�--- - - •--. __.,..�. w�c e.vw�,y,�i,L,C:Q• JQCOYlL�?.C� ''� ha, Mo�;ton ca�t.L�d 6� 6o,th Cv►nmd.a,e.tarw, �• Mr. 81ai� �,a�od �hat a prol�in�inaxy repo�t be p�epared ;for tho Jw�y 23xd mea tho Pa�rk� a��n�, Rec�coat�,on �ommi�sion, Mrs, ti�g o:F CQmmalt�eo be pub�l.cized in t SPorre asked ��at the Greation a� th� eith�r �tr�, �� r�� Suns �.��C�n� �,�,j �,��er�a�e� pexaons to eantac� Csldweil pr h�rself. Mr�:� Aro� st�� hauld ask �or a s�ec�.ai not�tco to be �laced'on"�ths��ro�t�� r��Q�'�'o ,�r�d Mrs. Caldwe�,�, � ..,«.,�,�„ �,.� �.,n .� �.�,� �.... , ��M '�� , . .,._ ��; �� nut pf Park � Re�rcat.ior� �; o�mission Meeti L�. E LAKE S„JDY ��N �T� ; 18 1973. ..�. �ag a a Mfi• 9rp�'n asked that ,t e �"ho Camn�itteo w h Commit�ee be set u -� m i 11 rs o P�'� baGk to th� Comr�issionnt�tively, on a twca mon�h HOSP iAL �ERTy; time �ab�a, �x. 9rowr� Gal i ed ' �x� lo��,t�d the Comm.issioners neax U atte ti fiv� or latke th� G�ty to ��Y iiospital. It�s about t� �ix tax fox • o��ed by tha Hos P hase these lot an acxe of land and P�i� ��ta wh.��h p1ta�. s and trade them �or �n�ty Hospita� wou,�d some land which is pr�ser��ly M�$' ��'�� aa�ked i�' we could purchase t 9QA19th�11� wo want ox need? Mr. Br he tax f na�"mally done, own stated orfeit lots and thQn txad� t tha� thxs t?'Pe pf negCG�ations ara�notp� � ��by �a9��, �Se_e�nded G o� dev��, ��'� ��'�'�h u�ys�2Q1G, �U apt�ave -the pcucchabe and K�.er� ur�.tt;E eu�li t�me ��'ta'2' but ��u� n.a mvru:ee �hou-�d b�de v�' �h.,�_#.�,� ; C�t�ek Ra�.d c�kect. �� .Yand .�a pcucchaaed and de.ve,e.c, pen.t vn ant� ,� � p�d �n �h.e Rc:a� � '�� Q��n W�� opened for discussion and withdrawn, �� M�'s. Caldw�ll �sked i� development is necessary now? Mr. Brown �xa.id �hafi dev�lo ment Cpu1d be d�lay�d, up to �ive years, p W'� ��t�t S��:rr►►n�eh, and Wa cvc �a�c:n. �,n �avah a�he Ma.iCan and M�ce , ea.,�dwe�,.� ►'�y, e on e . � � l Y • , ► i�._. V�• . l ■ � - - � MOTIOM by Wa�ct�c, Seeonded by Ca.�dcv�, �v .tenm�.na-te memberr.atu.p o� .the �n.td�.ey Pa�ck.b s�rtd ReGCe.a-t�i.an Comm.i.aa�.on, tn the Ma-ti.ona� Ree�cecr.t,i.on and Pan.l� A4aoc�a�,ton. The. Mv�`.�on ca�c.i,ed. SPECIAL BUpl3ET MEETING� A Specl�al Parks and Recreation Budget meeting was bee� set for Monday, July 16th, at 8s00 p.m., ir� the Cammunity Room of Fxidley Givic Center. �1�JOURNHENT � MOTTON by Wa.ga�c, Secanded by B�.a.vr., .io a.djaunn �he mee.ti.ng ai 4:45 p.m, 'Tho 'next maeting wi11 b� a Special Meeting, scheduled �or Manday, Ju�y lb, 1973, at ,,.` 8t0(? p�m,, i;i tha Gommunity Raom o� Fridley Civic Center, The ��x� regu�$r meeting, which was se� for Manday, ,Tuly 23, 19�3� has bFer� �ancellad, �duo to th� s�ec�.ai meetin�s which have been called, There are no items r�quix�in.,g �Rtiort bofoxe th� August meeting. The August meetiing is scheduled £or �he 27�h, at 7;�30 p,m� ��.n, the Community Room of Fri.dley Civic Ce�tex, ' ,e,apactf'�11y submitted, �� ,�� , ,,,�CATHIfi STORDAHL� Secretax �p Ga�nma.aai�r� .Y �. ; , ;w; �� a �� ,,, � � � �.A r�r 3 � BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF AUGUST 30, 1973 Meeting was called to order by Chairman Lindblad at 8:05 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: LINDBLAD, TONCO, CARIOLANO, TREUENFELS MEMBERS ABSENT: SIMONEAU OTHERS PRESENT: JERROLD BOARDNIAN, PLANNING ASSISTANT MOTION by Cariolano, seconded by Tonco to approve the minutes of the August 9, 1973 meeting as written. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT BUILDINGS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SALES AND SERVICES FOR RECREATIONAL VEHIC�,ES, LOCATED ON PARTS OF LOTS 11 AND 12, AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISION N0. 155, BEING PARCELS 2210 AND 2400; IACATED SOUTH OF I. 694, iVEST OF HIGHWAY N0. 65, NORTH OF 53RD AVENUE AND EAST OF THE TARGET PARKING LOT; THE SAME BEING 5500 CENTRAL AVENUE NORTHEAST, FP.TDLEY, I�IINNESOTA. (REQUEST BY OPEN ROAD INDUSTRIES, 101 CONTINENTAL BLVD., EL SEGUNDO, CALIFORNIA). �Item number one was cancelled and no future date was set for the item. 2. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION FOR MANUFACTURING PURPOSES ON THE PRESENT BUILDING LOCATED ON LOTS 18 F� 19, BLOCK 7, �, ONAWAY ADDITION; THE SAME BEING 7775-79 BEECH STREET. (REQUEST BY THE BROOKLYN TOOL COMPANY, 7779 BEECH STREET N.E., FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA). Mr. Ray Carlson was present for Brooklyn Tool Company Mr. Carlson �xplained his need for the new addition to the Board. He said that he was having an agreement drawn up to share parking facilities with Assurance Manufacturing Company, Inc. 7753 Beech Street N.E. Mr. Tonco asked how far the south lot line was from the building. Mr. Mr. Carlson said approximately 15 feet. Mr. Tonco asked how many parking spaces would be provided in this lot. Mr. Carlson said that there would be 22 parking stalls {i0' x 20'). He would need only about 6 stalls. P�Ir. Boardman said that the code requires 15 stalls for Brooklyn Toal but he was granted a variance on parking to 11 stalls. Mr. Lindblad said that the building needed some type of protection on the parking lot side so that cars cannot run into the building. What has been approved before are guardrails similar to the ones the Highway Department uses. Mr. Tonco said that �he rail should be mounted on posts a few inches away from the building and not mounted directly on the building. Air. Carlson asked if there is any objection to coming closer to the front property line with parking. r4r. Boardman said that the code requires a front ^ . planting strip of 20 feet which must be bermed and planted. -a- .4 .25 � BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOrM�IITTEE MEETING OF AUGUST 30, 1973 Mr. Lindblad said that the parking lot must be poured concrete curbing. Mr. Lindblad wanted to know if the street has concrete curbing. Mr. Boardman said yes. Mr. Lindblad asked about the garbage pick-up. Mr. Carlsor. said at present he has a dumpster in the front driveway. i�9r. Lindblad said that the garbage dumpster must be screened on all sides. Mr. Tonco said that if the garbage dumpster is in front and is screened, there is a possibility of trucks banging into it. Mr. Lindblad asked if there is any ordinance against building a screen for garbage on the b ack property line. Air. Boardman said no, but this Board must make sure that the screening is attractive enough so not to impose on the neighbor acress the alley. Mr. Lindblad said that he would rather see it in b ack than in front. D1r. Boardman said that the problem in putting the dumpster in the back would be that Mr. Carlson would not have any room is the back of his property and that the dumpster would have to go behind the shared parking facilities on Assuran.ce's property. T'here is however a possibility of sharing facilities if it would be agreeable with Assurance Manufacturing. Mr. Anderson from Assurance Manufacturing was asked to come forward. /'� . Mr. Tonco said that it would be desirable to build the screened in area for garbage pick-up so that both companies could use it. Mr. Anderson asked if they were talking about a complete enclosure. He said that they are running out of room and that something must•be done. Presently their scrap bucket sits out front. Mr. Boardman asked how many employees Assurance has. A4r. Anderson said about 15. Mr. Tonco said that if we can get the parking areas as shown on the overall plan then we will have a better ch ance of cleaning up the area. Mr. Boardman said that the landscape plan that the City shows on the overall plan is what the City would like to see in this area. It would be desirable, ior all involved, to get together on the landscaping because it would be cheaper to have a large project done. Mr. Anderson asked why shrubs could not be put in instead of berming. Mr. Boardman said that the screening of parking lots was: put into the code because of the low maintenance and the vaisual variety it gives an area. The planting of shrubs to give a solid screening is hard to maintain and if it is not maintained properly it is better not having any at all. Mr. Lindblad asked about security lighting. Mr. Carlson said there is none at present, but he does believe that there are electrical sockets available. Mr. Tonco said that lights must be provided so that it is easier for the police to patrol. � ^ Mr. Lindblad asked if Mr. Carlson was going to paint his entire building. Mr. Carlson said he was. He wants to remodel the front of this building like that of Assurance's buildi,ng, but he can't afford to do it at this time. Mr. Boardman said that this was a good example to follow and would like to see it carried out in the area. ^ -3- BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOI�IITTEE MEETING OF AUGUST 30, 1973 26 MOTION by Treuenfels, seconded by Tonco, to recommend t� Council the approval of the addition with the following stipulations: 1. The landscaping should b e completed as shown on the plan. 2. Location of the garb age areas are to be agreed upon with Assurance and completely screened. This agreement on trie garbage area must be submitted to the City. 3. Bumper guards along the south side of the buildir.g. 4. Drainage to be worked out with the City. 5. Signed agreement for mutual parking between Brooklyn Tool Company and Assurance Manufacturing submitted to the City. 6. Front remodeling to be completed in one year with an additiQnal extension of one year if needed. At present time building must be painted � with the completion of the additinn. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairman Lindblad adjourned the meeting at 9:35 P.M. ^ Respectfully submitted, � � ,�� tia�,�-- • � errold L. Boardman �Planning Assistant i''1 ^ NORTH SUBURBAN HOSPITAL DISTRICT UNITY HOSPITAL` S50 OS80RNE RD. FRIDLEY. MINNESOTA 55432 n /"\ Mr. E. Fitzpatrick Chairman, Planning Commission Ci.ty of Fridley 6431 University Avenue N. E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Dear Mr . Fitzpatrick: ZOA #73-08 September 5, 1973 I would like to request a postponement of the hearing regarding the rezoning of the Narth Suburban Hospital District property on September 12. The postponement is requested because of a conflict with another meeting. I would like the hearing continued at the next meeting which is scheduled on September 26, 1973. If you have any questions, please call me at 784-8021 . ds Cordially, ,� `/ I -C i��L , r Charles E,. J hanson, Treasurer�, North Suburban Hospital District � 2`7 � � 0 OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY a � PUBLIC HEARING • BEFORE THE � PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CpNCERN: Notice is hereby given that the Planning Commission of the C�ty of Fridley will meet in the Council Chambers of the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, Septexnber ].2, i973 at 8:00 P.M. to consider the following matter: A request for a Special Use Permit, SP #73-08, by John Johnston, to permit trailer and truck rental on Lots 9 and 11 of Auditor's Subdivision . No. 94, except therefrom the North 75 feet of the South 105 feet of the West 174 feet of the Southwest Quarter of Section 24, Township 30, Range 24; ALSO EXCEPT the North 75 feet of the South 419 feet of the West 180 feet of said Southwest Quarter, ALSO EXCEPT the West 50 feet thereof taken for hig.hway purposes; ALSO EXCEPT tha�t part included in the East 1789 feet of said SoutY�west Quarter subject to pipeline easement of record granted to Standard Oil; Subject to utility easement to the City of Fridley except that part for highway purposes to the State of Minnesota (112962), per Fridley City Code 45.101, Section B, 3, E, all lying in the City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota Generally located at 5351 Central Avenue Northeast. Anyone�desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter may be heard at this meeting. ^ Publish: August 29, 1973 Septem.ber 5, 1973 EDWARD J. FITZPATRICK CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION �r � OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, September 12, 1973, at 8:00 P.M. for the purpcse of: a request for a Special Use Permit, SP #73-09 by Open Road Industries, to permit a sales � and service building for recreational vehicles on part of Lots 11 and 12, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, being parcels 2210 and 2400, per Fridley City Code 45.101, N, located South of I. 694, West of Highway No. 65, North of 53rd Avenue N.E., and East of the Target parking lot, all lying in the South Half of Section 23, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally lacated at 5500 Central Avenue N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter may be heard at this meeting. Publish: August 29, 1973 Septem}�er 5 , 19? 3 � EDWARD J. FITZPATRICK CHAIRI�ZAN PLANNING COMMISSION 29 0 � �t_ Dayton Hudson Prop+erties �' ` 777 Nicollet Mall - Minneapolis, Minnesota 55402 � September 6, 1973 Mr. Nasim Qureshi Director of Planning City of Fridley Fridley, Minnesota Dear Mr. Qureshi: G'� � , , � � v�'I• �' � � �•�' , r ' v `�~�,; ; � This letter is a request for the withdrawal of the application sub- mitted by Open Road Industries, Inc., and Target Stores Inc., for a special use permit for the property located at Highway ��65 and ��694. � The reason for this request is that a private restriction affecting " this property could neceasitate changing the previously submitted site and/or building plans. We.are currently working to resolve this situation, however, it appears at this time that we will not be ready to present the proposed development to the commission on September 13, 1973 as originally intended. We hope that in the near future solutions can be found and we can re- convene our meetings with you and your staff relative to the proposed development, We would like to thank you for the courtesy and assistance you have extended to us. � Sincerely, / i�� George T. estrom GTB:lc cc: Mr. A1 Sentchuck /1 • � n � �6305 E. River Roa.d Minneapolis, Mrt 55�3z Au�ust 13, 19?3 Mayor and Counc:ilr►en Cit�* of Fridley 6431 University Ave. NE Mpls. , MN 5�32 Sirs: Ref: ProPerty at 6305 Ea,st River Road In the spring of 19?2 � rezoning to CR-1 was requested on the above property and at the objection of the neiehbors was denied. The in- tended use of the property was for a local small Real Esta.te office. At tY:e final hearinp on the subject a hand poll was ta.ken by the Mayor of Fridley an� the people felt that they were afraid of re- zoning, however, they stated by a showing of hands that they did not object to What I had, pra�osed to do with the prr�perty. Therefore I respect�ully request that you change an.d amend the city ordinance on R-1 propert� to allow the city council to entertain and i.ssue a specia]. use permit a.11owing a Real Esta.te office in a Resid'ential neighborhood at the discretion of the city council. If I may be of fwrther servics, please feel free to call me. S cerely John R. Doyle � �/ P.S. Would it be possible to get permission to operate as a Real Estate Office during the time that it es to process this application and zoning ame me t. �I �;.,.�� , � Q.., .1� �---� °L,"`�-�.,.-�' , , o�� , m ;: `r7 � ..��'""/•y3�? 1 �� -� J e� �'� F r •� �"'! �, � -{ � s-'-- � �--' 4 —�?II � �. ( ,_ .. { , 1 "� ��, ,.. �,.-- :� , ^ ,�;.� �,. ,; . J�'� �� 1� � _ 1 B , -�r,.,, 1i.� ` °�� J!�~ �Y w.� � C`; . ,¢- t i`. }' „� r �:, � � 4°� ��. � � �''�� cj ZOA ��72-04: LEIGH (Lee) INVEST. INC. � � ,r�¢ � M . �s t -`� C"° t� �cr li:iQlE ��< .\ f � , `... � . : i�' l} d �, o '� °.,.a�eF.: �'. 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'i:I� � �� CITY OF FRIALEY � �::_-. $ _ �� 6431 UniversiGy Avenue N,E. � � ■ Fridley, Minnesota 55432 h�}`� � � � '� � � � N .ih.ec.�on PAU� BROw , � Phane; S6p-3450 X64 MEMORANDUM TD� Fridl.ey Pl.anning Commission Parks and Recreation CoTamission �ECT3 Proposed Armory Site for Fridley DATE� September 7� 1973 FROM; paul Brown, Director Dear Cammissioner, The City Administration met on Au�ust 9, 1973 �� neral William Cheesman of the Ntinnesota National Guard, This meeting was called ir� respect to hearing the full proposal on the possibility of locating an Armory Building within the limits of Fridley. ' ^ Those meeting with the General were: Darrell Clark, Bob Aldrich, Leoq Madsen and the undersigned. Attached are c�pies of mirautes�, memo�s, floor plan and draft resolution concerning this proposed project. This information is submitted to the two commissions with the iptent of opening negotiations on the possibility o f locating aa Armory within Fridley. We are asking for your f`cill support in this project. Attached are the following by date: 1. Departanent of Military Affairs Jan 29,73; 2. P],anaing Commission Mirautes July 18� 73; 3. P& R Memo July ��.� 73; ?�. Leon Madsen Memo Aug 2Z, 73. Other iqformation: Floor Plan and Draft Resolution. Our meeting of Aun�st 9th revealed the following commet�ts: The Guard is looldng for 5 units in the Mpls Suburban Area. 2.8 acres is the minimum size that they would need. They would like about 350� frontage. It should border a se�rer and water line. The city would donate the land. The title would transfer to Corporatio� State Building Commission. If the Armory was to leave the city the buildiqg and grounds Would revert to the city. There has onZy been one case of this in the history of the State Guard. (very little chance of this happening) A resolution of intent is what they desire. (copy o f this enclosed) � Financing: II.S. Gov't 75� Spedfications and Criteria by U,S. Minimum building would be 7000 square feet. �� /`\ Proposed Armory Site for Fridley sept 7, 1973 The additional 25� is divided betweeu the City and State. The City share is 60� with state share at 1t0�• The constructionoost of the latest Armory to be built was $b50,000.00. Some additional facts: The building would not have a basement. There would be a parking lot, roads, a hard stand - security area, a drill hall and lsitchen. Please refer to drawi4g of floor pla.n. You can see the many items that we as a city could make good use of. What use can we make of this facility: Please reier to Commissiop minutes of July 18th. These minutes reflect many uses. 7.'he Armory will be ope❑ every day. They hane full time staff on duty each day of the year. The Guard a].ways uses the arsa one weekend out of the month. Areas for consideration: Locke Park - Between Garage and Arena West Moore Lake - Across from Jr - Sr. High School. These ideas are submitted for yo�r coqsideration. ^ PB ec: Darrell Clark Bob Aldrich Leon Madsen City Manager City Engineer Gener�l Cheeseman /'1 submitted, irector � � Y l ^ . .� � ' L • . /'� ,�/.7E � 5 ,d .., .� ./ • �- M� • �.�A J �+�. � _�,.. � 4 :� t �.= =7 �� < �' N E 5 �� 0 0 STATE OF MINNESOTA DEPaRTMENT O��MILITARY AFFAIRS OFF(CE OF THE ADJUTANT GEN�RAL YETERANS SEfvICE BUILDING STATE CAPITOI SAINT PAUL, 55101 The Honorable Frank G. Liebl Mayor of Fridley 6431 University Avenue, 1V. E, Fridley, Minnesota 5542I Dear Mayor Liebl: january 29, I973 �� In-depth studies of population growth and population distribution patterr.s � as they appiy to Minn�sota, and particularly to the Twin City metropo�i��r. area, and the foreshadow of forces at work and their resultant impact in �land usage in the metropolitan area, makes it imperative �hat Tne Depart- .ment of MilitaryAffairs, State of Minnesota, look'to the future and establish plans for the relocation of some National Guard units frer:� the Minneapolis downtown armory to the suburban communities. The reason for this letter at this time is to acquair.t the City of Fridley, its government leaders and your current and future planning groups, that tre �Iinnesota Army National Guard is interested in establishing �Tational Guar� unit� in communities close to, or adjacent t0, Minne�apolis, and if a CltV 15 i:.�er�s"_?� in a National Guard unit, consideration in city land use plar.ning shoulu :t exercised now for the future location of an armory. A policy of decentralization of units has been in effect for a nu:nber ef �Tears and has been accomplished in St. Paul. Our long range decent.raliz�±i�n plan for Minneanolis will require five (5) ne.v locaticns ot�tsi�?e oi t'vlinnQ- apolis proper, v�ith new armories being constructed in five (5) sub�.:rban communities . � . If the National Guard is to establish a unit in a co:nmunity, the communi�y must want a National Guard unit, an� it must be o� s:�tficient sizP to e:��,�al� recruitment of sufficient strength to man the ur.it. The G=.zar�:i b�in; aZ :�I volunteer force �vith -nission respo:�s ��ili�i?s ;�� _:� the 3t:� �e ar.d i�aticr�, resuits in a joint responsibility to be shared in by the Federal, Stat� �nd Community governments . � � .c �1 / \ r-� �The Honorable Frank G. Liebl ,� january 29, 1973 _ ��'j It is requested that the City Council of Fridley discuss and evaluate their desires as to whether or not they would be interested in establishing a Fridley National Guard unit with the time period S- 10 years from now. If they desire more information on its purpose, mission, and how the Guard is administered and managed, to include the construction of an armory, representatives of this, office will be happy to meet with you and the City Council to discuss the subject and answer your questions. Sincerely yours, . � ' . . . ,' j � • - G, , . r--�� , � ��.i� , �� t • ,- . �E�� T. �vr�G��`�` � . Majo�.General, 1Vlinn ARNG �`�. � : The Adjufiant General � '� �� , . , ��>, . - ; � '' �� Y i1 ' r�� , �� • t� 1! - � r, � . . . � . _ . � - �� l� � Y J� . . . �.>� ��./, � • �� i • . � . ._ �. . . . � � . . . � V . $ % , . t., l Y �/ �, t t .✓ � ,/ � � :? / . . � . . 4.,� j j / . � ,f �; �i r .� ,� . � � ��`�'�'� '�� ' ,� �� . �. ,�`�, - : - . . �� ,� , _ _ . ' � / , . �� % � I% ti� /''� /'1 3� Planning Commission Meeting - July 18, 1973 Page 5 to this request. MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Commission pass a resolution favoring the proposed Zocation of a branch library at Mississippi Street and 5th Street N.E., following the resolution passed by Council (85-1973) to be prepared by staff, making proper adjustments in the wordage (1-1973). Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. . Mr. Harris said he would like to make the request that the Library Board architect work with the City Administration on the traffic patterns. He also wondered if we could get an agreement that they would never ask for expansion on this site. Mr. Clark said he didn't think they could be bound by an� agreement. Approval or denial would have to be made if and when such a request was made. . Mr. Drigans asked Mr. Young when the plans would be ready and what their schedule was. Mr. Young said they hoped to be occupying the building prior to the end of 1974. • . � 2. ARMORY REQUEST Mr. Paul Brown, Airector of the Parks � Recreation Department was present. Mr. Clark said that since the time that General Cheeseman made his presentation to the Planning Commission the criteria for the land required as changed from 5 acres to 350 feet x 350 feet or approximately 2.8 acres for suburban communities. For this reason, the City Council was asking the Planning Commission to consider again the request for the location of an armory in Fridley. In addition to this, some of the people on the City Staff, including Paul Brown, were interested in how this armory could be of use to various departments of the City and to the citizens. Mr. Brown said there was a need for a faci2ity for community use whetherit's built by the Federal Government or not. He oi.�tlined the things such a facility could be used for. 1. Community Use a. Used by City Hall for Public Hearings where a large people have to be seated. • b. Civic Groups, meetings of the Lions, J. C.'s, etc. c. Church Groups, for carnivals or other fund raising .d. Special Occasions, for large assemblies or special number of efforts. promotions. 2. Department Use a. Indoor Sparts such as basket ball, volley ball, and physical ^ fitness programs. b. Glass Rooms 1. Crafts 2. Dance Lessons, Ballet, Tap, Baton � c. Youth Needs, such as 4-H d. We can use it for storage of supplies. e. �Assembly: Shows, Awards, Dinners f. Concessions g. Tournaments � l /'\ � � Planning Commission Meeting - July 18, 1973 Page 6 3. Regional Use a. Promotions b. Assembly in 4. Federal Use a. Guard Duties b. Guard Needs connection with a conierence. 5. Veterans Use a. American Legion b. V.F.W. Mr. Fitzpatrick said at the time the Planning Commission heard the . presentation by General Cheeseman, he got the impression that there wouldn't be too many things the Park �, Recreation Department could use the armory for. Mr. Brown said he didn't think we got enough answers. Mr. Drigans said that the National Guards that will use the armory will come from aIl different communities. Who will have priority on the use of the armory. Mr. Brown said this was a question that could be asked of General Cheeseman, also. Mr. Harris said he has seen some of the newer armories and he didn't /1 think they were as large as people think they are. He said the one in _ Hastings was approximately 75' x 120'. Mr. Brown said he thought some of the staff should meet with General Cheeseman and ask some o� these questions. Chairman Fitzpatrick said as there was almost a new Planning Commission he thought General Cheeseman should be invited back to make a new presenta- tion. Mr. Clark said this could be done after he had met with interested members of the City staff. . MOTION BY HARRIS, seconded by Drigans, that Pau1 Brown arrange a meeting with General Cheeseman to determine how many of the needs that he has dis- cussed can be provided and what the pay ratio might be and discuss priorities. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. . Chairman Fitzpatrick said the Planning Commission would like to have General Cheeseman invited to make his presentation to the Planning Commission again, as his schedule permits, and after his meeting wi,th Paul Brown and other interested membexs of the City stafi. 3. REPORT ON SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AUXILLIARY BUILDINGS Mr. Clark said he dic�n't have anything in writing, but he was in the � process of taking a survey of other communities to see how they handle auxilliary buildings. The general feeling was that no one wants to get involved in a typical 10' x lU' shed. Bloomington, for instance, doesn't care how many auxilliary buildings some one has as long as they meet the code. So far, we are the only community that requires a Special Use Permit for the second . auxilliary building. � 0 ^ :j``'' � �;,,� �;. � :"� �� ' � ` Yr `�" m ,� ;; � � � ' : :�` �� . �� ITY OF FRIDI..EY 6431 University Avenue N,E, Fridley, Minnesota SS432 PAUI �ROW'N, 11.i�cer�tan Phone; 560�3450 X64 � MEMoRANDUM ' The Adjutant General�s Office Tp; General William Cheesenan AA'1'�� Jul�r 31� 1973 &U�.1ECT 3 Armory R.eview Meeting ' FROM � Paul Broi�*n, Director Dear General, � This is a reminder�of a scheduled meeting with the undersigned and Darrel. Clark for Thursday, August' 9�h, 8s30 a.m. at Fridley Civic Ce�tter to discuss the proposed � Armory and the details surrounding the first proposal to the Fridley Plannino Commission. . ^ . The main purpose of this meeting is to revie�,� and take a look at the possibilit� of a site locatian for just such an AYmory in the City of Fridley. The Planning Commission has requested our departanent to re-open discussion with the mili�ary and get s�me details worked out in respect to wha-t the City must provide and also what the city can mal�e use of in the way of 'recreation and special events. Look forward to meeting �ri.th you on August 9th. PB cc: Darrel Clark Parks and Recreation Commission Planning Cammission s� a� (� � n r�'t� 1r� . .� ly submitted� 1 _ . ..�� /� � u � MEMO T0: Marvin Brunsell ^ FROM: Leon Madsen SUBJECT: Armory Eleeting of August 8, 1973 0 DATE: August 21, 1973 Darrell Clark, Paul Brown and I met�with General William Cheesman of the Minnesota National Guard to hear again, the proposal for an Armory in Fridley. Following are the key points brought out in the discussion: --Approximate cost, $450,000. --Any deviation from their basic plan, plus additional site preparation would be in addition. . --Minimum of 5 years from date of commitm�ent before construction is started. --City would donate land-Minimum 3 acres with 350 foot frontage- Maximum 5 acres. --Sewer and Water to lot line. --Federal government will finance 75% of basic plan, State and City to ^ finance balance, plus any addition on a 40% State - 60,°6 City basis. --Minnesota State Armory Board, Inc. sells the bonds and will hold title. 20 year bond, 1/3 mill is maximum allowable levy. --Fridley City Cauncil must provide a"Resolution of intent". to the Armory Board to get the program initiated. --Total area of building wou�d be 18,000 sq. ft. for the basic plan. The drill floor would be 7,000 sq. ft. --There would be no charge for Civic use of facility. Other use would be � charged a fair maintenance fee. --We could include just about anything (within reason) as special features to the facility. Such things as reinforcement of rifle range walls for police, high caliber use and a specific storage area were discussed. My only cormnent, other than I think it would be a great opportunity for Fridley to get a good usable facility for about �80,000 -$90,000, is that I'm sure we should be looking at a figure of at }east $550,000 by the time this would.be actuated. � . � �� ` a � . 41 k W � a r ., t-- �� t-- Z � W Z O ^ 1 c - iF . . .. . . . . . . . . } � O � OC Q� G � Q � t9 J 4 Z O Q Z O N W Z Z � J Q U a � a J �.. � O O J lV � '� ; � ;r'1 ^ 42 r ., . Resolution No. _______ STATEMENT OF INT�NT ESTIIBLISHMENT OP A NATIONAL GUARD UNIT IN THE CITY OF WHEREAS , the Department of Military Affairs , State of Minnesota , through The Adjutant General, has expressecl a sincere desire to establish in the City of , a National Guard unit and armory; ana WHEREAS , the City Council of the City of deems the National Guard as being a patriotic and civic organization deserving of bur support and commendation. NOW THEREFORE�, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY OF MINNESOTA , THAT: The city is most definitely interested in working cooperatively with the Minnesota National Guard to establish and civically support a National Guard unit in the City of , and to provide assistance for the construction of an armory building. . BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT: We pledge the resources of the City of in eveYy reasonable degree to support the aforesaid aim. Adopted by the City Council of this day of 1973.