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PL 09/26/1973 - 30382^ � !"� CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 26, 1973 PAGE 1 CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Fitzpatrick called ti�e meeting to order at 8:00 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: Fitzpatrick, Blair, Lindblad, Harris, Drigans None Darrel Clark, Nasim gureshi, Engineer Community Development Adm_i Acting City Manager, City APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 12, 1973 MOTION by Harris, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning Commission approve the minutes of the meeting of September 12, 1973 as written. Upon a voice vote, aI1 votinq aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 5, 1973 MOTION by B1air, seconded by Drigans, that the Planning Commission receive the rninutes of the Parks & Recreation Commission meeting of September 5, 1973. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 11, 1973 MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Blair, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Board of Appeals meeting of September 11, 1973. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. l. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #73-08, BY NORTH SUBURBAN HOSPITAL DISTRICT: Rezone from R-1 (single family dwelling areas) to CR-1 (general office and limited business), the area South of 76th Avenue N.E.; East of 5th Street N.E.; North of 75th Avenue N.E.; and West of Unity Hospital, to allow construction of a medical office building. Public Hearing open. Mr. John Haines, Administrator of Unity Hospital, Mr. Robert ' �fa� Hauer� President of Health Central Inc., and Mr. Al Eihlers, �"�` Archi�ect, Health Central, Inc. were present to represent the petitioner. � Planning Commission Meeting - Sep.tember 26, 1973 Page 2 Chairman Fitzpatrick said the last time this was on the ,� agenda, the Planning Commission made the request that the North Suburban Hospital District come back with a more limited request. ,� � Mr. John Haines, Administrator of Unity Hospital, introduced Mr. Robert Van Hauer and Mr. A1 Eihlers, who will present more details on this request. Mr. Van Hauer said he would like to read a letter that was given to him by the doctor's group to present to the Chairman of the Planning Commission. The letter from the Unity Medical Center, dated September 6, 1973, is as follows: " Dear Mr. Fitzpatrick: To put tb rest some of the fears and reservations expressed by neighbors of the North Suburban Hospital District's property, we would like to make the following statement regarding the medical office building we propose to build. We propose to build this office building as close to Unity Hospital as is legally possible. To do this, we will be applying for a variance to allow us to build right up to the property line on the east side of the property we plan to purchase from the North Suburban Hospital District. If we receive permission to do such, the building will be located approximately 450 feet east of 5th Street N.E. The first stage of the building we plan to build will stand three floors above ground, with each floor containing approximately 10,000 square feet. . - The leasing of office space in the physicians' office building shall be limited to health professionals. This will include, but is not limited to, physicians, dentists, oral surgeons, clinical psychologists, psychiatric social workers, and allied mental health personnel. Ancillary uses other than office space shall be limited to those commercial enterprises designed to serve the doctors and dentists and their personnel and patients. Such ancillary uses would include things such as a professional pharmacy, an optical company, possibly a card and flower shop, and poss-. ibly at a later date a coffee shop. " � Mr. Van �auer said this was signed by four doctors in the partn�rship, one being Dr. Shattuck who was presently chief-of-staff of Unity Hospital. MOTIDN .�eceive the 6th, 1973. unanimously. by Drigans, second by BZair, that the Planning Commission .Zetter from the Unity Medical Center, dated September Upon a voice vote, aI1 voting aye, the motion carried Planning Commission Meeting - September 26. 1973 Page 3 � Mr. Van Hauer followed the reading of the letter with a � presentation of colored slides showing from various angles where the medical center would be located in relation to Unity Hospital. �He said the area they were discussing was a three acre tract on the North portion of the original eleven acres of the rezoning request. He said there would be another lane put in the driveway that leads to the proposed location of the medical center. He said that a 50 foot berm is planned around the perimeter of the property and this will provide screening from the residential area. . This will be planted with trees and low plantings. Mr. Fitzpatrick asked how many offices this building will provide. Mr. Van Hauer said some doctors need more space than others, depending upon their specialty, but the average would be about 750 t0 800 square feet in average so there would be room for about 25 to 30 doctors. Mr. Fitzpatrick asked if there were calculations on when this building would be up and occupied. ' '' M'r. Van Hauer said that according�to the present timetable the construction would start in the spring or early summer of 1974. It would take about 12 months to complete the building which would make the opening in about July of 1975. At the present time there are 11 doctors who have committed themselves ^ to leasing space in this building which is about 1/3 of what is needed. They expect to have it 2/3 leased by the day it opens, '� and within a year of the opening, July 1, 1976, the building will be fully occupied. They are allowing space for a second building which may not be needed for 10 years, and additional parking, when it is needed. Mr. Fitzpatrick asked if there would only be specialists in this building. Mr. Van Hauer said there would be no restrictions, but up to the present time, a family practicioner most generally likes to have his own small building, although this trend is changing also. Mr. Fitzpatrick said that in the letter presented it mentioned a long list of health professionals that would be using this build- ing but said it was not limited to what was listed. Why was this statement in the letter? Mr. Van Hauer said there is a new field of paramedics, for instance, and this was mentioned because the medical field-is undergoing many changes Mr. Harris asked who would own the land where the medical cer�ter would be located. Mr. Van Hauer said the doctor's group would. Mr. Harris said this could not be a land locked parcel of land. Mr. Van Hauer said they will have access to the driveway to Osborne Road and to the undeveloped 76th Avenue. Mr. Harris asked why they had to have a variance for this building when they i"'�, have three acres to locate the building. Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Page 4 ,� Mr. Van Hauer said they want to have this medical center as close to Unity Hospital as possible because it will be con- nected to Unity by a skywalk that would be an all-weather passage- way. They Ghuldn't sell the doctor's group any property closer to the hospital because this was the first parcel bought by the North Suburban Hospital District and was indentured by a bond issue. The parcel they are selling was purchased later and does not have this indenture. Mr. Harris asked who would own and maintain the skyway. Mr. Van Hauer said.the skyway would be located on the North Suburban Hospital District property, so they would have to build it, own it, and maintain it. He said they would be granting an easement to the doctor's group to use this skyway, and the egress to Osborne and the use of the hospital parking lots for overflow parking. "� Mr. Harris asked how many s�toriesthis building will have. Mr. Van Hauer said there would be three stories above grade and �. .� • one below. The skyway will be at the second floor level. Mr: A1 Eilers said the�exteriar of the medical building will match aesthetically Unity Hospital and the North Suburban Hospital Board has reserved the right to approve the exterior appearance of the building as well as the general design to ensure that it will �'`�, match the existing buildings. Mr. Haines.said that if the Planning Commission wanted to handle this request in a more appropriate way than rez.oning, the North . Suburban Hospital Board had no objection as long as it would accomplish the same thing. Mr. Clark said the City code was changed in 1969 to allow clinics in an R-1 area with a Special Use Permit. The Planning Commission can recommend this instead of rezoning, if they wish, because.it is mor� restrictive. Mr. Clark asked if they had brought a legal description of the parcel they wanted to sell to the doctor's group. Mr. Van Hauer said they haven't had any survey made of this property because the original request was for the entire eleven acres, but they can have a survey made of this portion in a week or so. Mr. Fitzpatrick said we would want this legal description for describing the parcel involved in this request. Mr. Drigans asked what hours this clinic would be open. Mr. Van Hauer said the normal hours for specialists would be from 8 to 5 and he was sure this would be the hours the pharmacy would be open also. He said he wouldn't want to make the statement that these were � the exact hours they would be open, because the medical profession has found that they had to go along with public demand. If the public demands evening hours, then these hours were subject to . change. Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Page 5 Mr. Eilers said this was a drawing that was being presented �� tonight, and when they started actually working with the site, i� would be adjusted schismatically to save as much of the woods as �possible. Mr. Nasim Qureshi said as Mr. Clark has mentioned, our Zoning� Code was changed in 1969 to allow a medical clinic in an R-1 area with a Special Use Permit. He said that when he talked to Charles Johanson about the North Suburban Hospital Board selling this property for private ownership by a group of doctors, rezoning was suggested. If the North Suburban Hospital District was going to construct and own this building they could do so without rezoning or a Special Use Permit. In talking to members of the Hospital Board, they want to be able to get assurance that this request will enable a private group of doctors to construct this medical building, and be able to convey this assurance back to the group. As a staff inember, my recommendation would be that the Planning Commission recommend that this be a Special Use instead of rezoning: A Special Use is more restrictive and this would allow the City more control of this property. You can recommend that a medical clinic�be allowed in the North three a�res of this parcel urider a Special Use. - Mr. Qureshi said that some of the restrictions that could be asked for are (l) no traffic directed to 5th Street, (2) The ^ City have full control of outside material of the building and aesthetics of exterior development, (3) we provide that no trees • are taken out without expressed approval of the City, (4) get a berming agreement for additional plantings to give protection to the residential area West of 5th Street, (5) Negotiate an exchange of 4 tax forfeit lots North of this property for an area in the Southwest corner of the Hospital property £or a City park, which . we need in this area ,(6) that all costs for any additional utili�ies in this area brought about by this development, be borne . by the clinic and the hospital, and (7) that they provide proper signing and work as much as they can to direct traffic to Osborne Road, �hich is a County road, and should be used for high volume traffic. He said the Hospital Board has been very cooperative in closing some of the accesses to Unity Hospital and in providing berming. Their concerns are the same as the City's. Mr. Qureshi continued, that the Planning Commission has three choices. You can recommend rezoning with an agreement that this _ • property will-only be used for medical purposes, you can deny the rezon�ng, or recommend that the area needed for the medical office building be put under a Special Use in the existing R-1 zoning. We feel that the use of this property under a Special Use would give the City the best control over this proposal and we can work with the Hospital Board and the doctors to protect the best interests of all concerned. � Mr. Harris asked about the availability of city services in this area. Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Page 6 �� Mr. Qureshi said that there would be no problem with the addition of a medical building, but if this entire parcel was to be developed, there may be a need for additional services, and we should ensure that no burd�n is put on the existing residential area. Mr. George Johanix, 7566 5th Street N.E., said the cost of the roadways and the skyway should be borne by the group of doctors rather than the North Suburban Hospital Board. Mr. Van Hauer said he agreed with Mr. Johanix in dollars and cents, but as • he had explained, the original property could not be sold to the doctors' group so that anything that was on the original property would have to be owned__and maintained by the North Suburban Hospital District. Mr. Johanix asked how much the doctors were paying for this property. Mr. Van Hauer said they would pay the same price the North Suburban Hospital District paid for it, plus interest, and any assessments or taxes that have been paid on this property by the North Suburban.Hospital District.prior to the sale of this property. As there could be additional costs before the sale is completed, the final cost has not been set. Mr. Johanix asked if 76th Avenue would be improved and used as an access to this property. Mr. Van Hauer said that to obtain ^ financing for this building, there would have to be two egresses - available to 'the property, but they have no intent, at this time, to ask fox the improvement of 76th Avenue. Chairman Fitzpatrick said it can be made a stipulation of the Special Use Permit that there will be no access to 76th Avenue or 5th Street. Mr. Qureshi said there would have to be a separate'�P���ic Hearing before this street could be improved. Mr. Johanix asked the distance from 5th street to the pro- posed parking lot. Mr. Van Hauer said it was about approximately 350 feet from the edge of the parking lot shown to 5th Street. Mr. Johanix asked about 76th Avenue. Mr. Van Hauer said that would be approximately 365 feet. Mr. Johanix said that at the present time there is no reason to open 76th Avenue. - Mr. Qureshi said the only one who could open this street would be the City. It is not under the control of the Hospital Board. The reason the City cannot vacate'this street is because there are utilities in this street. Mr. Qureshi said this request has been before the Planning • Commission for some time and he would hope that they could make � some type of recommendation this evening because it is on the Council agenda for October lst and they would like to be able to set a Public Hearing by Council on this request for October • 15th. . Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, �973 Page 7 Chairman Fitzpatrick said he thought the Planning Commission /'�'� could act on this request this evening, but the only thing that disturbed him was that they didn't have a legal description of the property in question. Mr. Qureshi said that if they made their recommendation on the three acres between 5th Street and the West property line of Unity Hospital this would narrow it down quite well and be a generous enough description so they would have enough property for their needs. m � Mr. Eilers�said the North edge of the parking lot would extend to the right-of-way line of 76th Avenue in the Northeast corner of the property. They were providing two parking spaces for every 1,000 square foot of building. Mr. Clark said there was some confusion on the location of the parking. The answers given for the location of the parking lot were for the parking already drawn in on the plan. Members of the audience want to know how far the parking will be from 5th Street and 76th Avenue in the proposed additional parking lot. Mr. Van Hauer said that when the additional parking 1ot is needed and constructed, it will still be 125 feet from 5th Street. Mr. Harris said there should be an agreement by the doctors' group to maintain the unused portion of the three acre tract. Mr. Eilers said the parking lot would be laid out so they didn't have to take out any trees. Mr. Qureshi said if this property was under a Special Use Permit, that any additional buildings, p�.rking .lots, or any changes made, would have to be brought before the Council for approval. If this property was rezoned to CR-1, then they could put anything on this property that was allowed in that type of zoning. The advantage of a 5pecial Use is that the City keeps control of this property for the present proposed development or any future development on these three acres. Both the City and the people in the area are better protected. MOTION by Harris, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on rezoning request, ZOA #73-08, by North Suburban Hospital District. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Harris said he has been in favor of a Special Use in an R-1 area since'this request was first made. If we rezoned this proper�ty, and after a period of time, under whatever circumstances, the doctors would want to sell this building, it would be hard to say what someone else might think is a medical purpose so they could use this building. A Special Use is more restrictive at the present time and will be more restrictive for any future expansion. I feel this request can be controlled much better with a Special Use rather than rezoning. Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Page 8 �--� MOTION by Harris, seconded by B3air, that the Planning � eommission recommend to the City Council that a 5pecial Use Permit, SP #73-11, be granted on the North 3 acres of the e2even acre tract (Parcel 2400) to a11ow_construction of inedical office building in an R-1 District, per FridZey City Code, Section 45.051, 3, F, in lieu of the rezoning request, ZOA #73-08, by North 5uburban Hospital District to rezone from R-1 (single family dweZling area) to CR-1 (qeneraZ office and limited business), the area South of 76th Avenue N.E., East of Sth Street N.E., North • of 76th Avenue N.E., and West of Unity Hospital, because this is more restrictive, with the following stipulations: (1) An agreement between the North Suburban Hospital District and the group of doctors who will own the three acre tract, on the maintenance and use of the skywaZk, on the use of the parking lots and driveways, be drawn and re- corded. (2) The medical office building wi11 not exceed three storiesy above grade. (3) The exterior of the building will conform aesthetically. to Unity Hospital and be approved by the City Administra- tion. ^ (4) If any additional water mains, sewers or storm sewers become necessary, the entire cost be borne by the North ' Suburban Hospita.I District and/or the owners of the medical building. (5) The North Suburban Hospital District negotiate a land trade so a City park can be provided in the Southwest � corner of their property. � (6) Proper signing be provided by the North Suburban Hospital District to direct traffic to and from Osborne Road N.E. (7) Complete the 50 feet of buffer along 75th, Lyric, and 5th Street which sha11 consist of a berm and plantings to screen the parking lots from the residential homes. (8) Provide a Zega1 description of the three acre tract. (9) No traffic access to 5th Street or 76th Avenue N.E. (10J No tree removal without Cit� approval. (11) Any future parking areas be provided'with a berm or screening from the adjoining R-1 areas presentZy occupied by single famiZy homes. � � Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Page 9 f121 (13) The parking lots to be 125 feet from the 5th Street right-of-way. An agreement that the doctors' group wiZ1 maintain the unused portion of the three acre tract. (T4) The medical buiZding wi11 be .Zimited to occupation and uses as stated in a letter from the Unity Medical Center of September 6, 1973 which states that this building sha1l be Iimited to health professionals which will � include, but not limited to, physicians, dentists, oral surgeons, clinical psycho2ogists, psychiatric social workers and allied mental health personnel. Anci.Ilary uses other than office space sha11 be lirr►ited to those commerciaZ enterprises designed to serve the doctors and dentists and their personnel and patients. Such ancil- Iary uses would inc.Zude things such as a professional pharmac�, an optical company, possibZy a.card and flower shop, and possibly at a later date, a coffee shop. . Ilpon a voice vote, aZZ voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION Commission n request by a11 voting r` b� Drigans, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning urge the Cit� Council to hoZd a PubZic Hearing on the North Subazrban Hospital District. Upon a voice vote, aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #73-10, BY DONALD BABINSKI: Rezone Lots 1-6, 9 and the North 68 feet of Lot 20, Block l, Central Avenue Addition from C-2 (general business areas) and Lots 10-14, Block l, Central Avenue.Addition, from C-1 (local business areas�, all to be rezoned to M-1 (light industrial areas), to make zoning consistent with property lines, to allow construction of a warehouse; the same being 1290 73rd Avenue N.E. Mr. Dick Brama,.partner of Don Babinski, of the Bryant- Franklin Corporation was present to represent the petitioner. MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Blair, that the Planning Commission waive the reading of the Public Hearing notice for rezoning request, ZOA #73-10, by Donald Babinski. Upon a voice vote,�a.I1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Clark said the original zoning on the North half of this block was all C-l. About three years ago we had a request for C-2 zoning on the Northeast corner of this block, along with a request for a Special Use Permit by an oil company for a service station. Both requests were granted. The statio� was never built. This request is to combine the entire block, Central Avenue Addition, into M-1, a light industrial area. Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Pa e 10 Mr. Clark said the Bryant-Franklin Corporation currently /'�� owns the building South of the property, which is presently occupied by Onan's. This proposed warehouse will be of similar use. It will be a little bit smaller. Bryant-Franklin has already been to the Board of Appeals to obtain a front setback of 70 feet instead of 100 feet. When they bought this property, they were told that it was all zoned M-1. As I understand it, the steel for this building is already in the state, so they are somewhat rushed. That's why they have already been to the Board of Appeals; they are going to Building Standards September 27th, and the Pub.lic Hearing has already been set for October 15th by • the City Council. � r` Mr. Clark said that from the staff's standpoint, we would favor this all being rezoned for one use. In this particular area, it is better to have it all zoned indL�strial. Mr. Lindblad asked if there was anything on this property now. Mr. Clark said junk, but no structures. Mr. Clark sai.d they were in the process of getting Determan Welding to get their tanks back on to their property, with some screening. The junk yards were cooperating in cleaning up their property. This proposal will help clear up a part of Fridley that really needs it. Mr. Fitzpatrick said the staff then does recommend favorable action on this request. Mr..Clark said they did. Mr. Brama said this will be a speculative building, the same as the one occupied by Onan's. There would be offices in front and the balance of the building will be general warehouse. Onan's has expressed an interest in renting this building also, but the building will be so constructed so we can segregate the bays if more than one tenant were to occupy the building. He said the building will be sprinkled. Mr. Harris asked if there were city services available at this site. Mr.. Clark said there was a large water main at old Central, and sewer is also on Central Avenue. Mr. Drigans said the reason for the necessity of a variance was because the area across the street was a different zoning. Mr. Clark said they meet the code for parking, which is 20 feet. The building is closer to the right of way than the code require- ment.• If th�y moved the building, it would restrict the loading area in the back of the building.� ' Mr. Brama said the beautiful part of having these two buildings compliment one another is because they could share a common drive- way and infringe on each others loading zones. Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 '�Paqe 11 �,,.� Mr. Harris said there should be an agreement on the common easement between both buildings. Mr. Clark said if there was only going to be one driveway, there should be driveway easements given also. He said this wouldn't have to be a stipulation of the rezoning, it could be handled at Building Standards. He said the only stipulation should be to provide right of way on the Northern corner for a right hand turn lane at 73rd Avenue at Central, if it has not already been provided. r n MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Blair, that the PZanning , Commission close the Public Hearing on rezoning request, ZOA #73-10, by Donald Babinski. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Lindblad, seconded b� Harris, that the PZanning Commission recommend to the City Council approvaZ of the rezoning request, ZOA #73-10, by Donald Babinski, to rezone Lots Z-6, 9 and the North 68 feet of Lot 20, Block 1, Central Avenue Addition, from C-2 (general business areas), and Lots 10-Z4, Block I, Central Avenue Addition, from C-1 (local business areas), a11 to be rezoned to M-1 (light industrial areas) to make zoning consistent with prope'rty lines, to a11ow construction of a warehouse, the same being 1290 73rd Avenue N.E. with the stipulation that they provide right o€.way on the Northern corner of the property for a right hand turn lane at 73rd Avenue at Central, if it has not already been provided. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Harris said he noted that there was a 30 foot street vacation with a 15 foot easement on the South property line that was already zoned M-l. Mr. Brama said this vacated Brook Street � was causing some problems. A bond has been posted that this would be taken care of before closing on this property. 3. MEMO FROM PAUL BROWN TO PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION, DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 1973 Mr. Clark said a motion had been made at the last meeting to have a meeting on the comprehensive park plan, the flood plain ordinance and a meeting with General Cheeseman on the armory pro- posal. This could be handled at either our reqular meeting of October 3rd or at a special:meeting on October lOth. We still have only one item on our October 3rd agenda, and General Cheeseman cannot attend this meeting. He said he could come October lOth. We can.contact his office and see if he can come on October 17th, our regularly scheduled meeting, and this will eliminate the special meeting. If this meets with your approval, we can handle as much of these three items as we have time for on October 3rd, and the balance can be heard at the October 17th meeting. Mr. Fitzpatrick said this was satisfactory, so there would be no special meeting on October lOth. He said the memo from Paul Brown was just informational and no action was required. �� Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Page 12 4. RECEIVE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE MOORE LAKE TASK FORCE STUDY GROUP OF JULY 17, 1973, AND THE LETTER TO JAMES LANGENFELD FROM JOHN B. LUNDQUIST DATED JULY 23, 1973 Mr. James Langenfeld, Chairman of the Fridley Environmental Quality Commission was present. Chairman Fitzpatrick asked if there had been any decision made on making a study of Moore Lake. Mr. Langenfeld said there hadn't been. Anoka County is going to make a study of 15 lakes of which Moore Lake is one. This study will follow the outline in the letter of John Lundquist. There will be no cost to Fridley for this study because it will come out of the general �und of Anoka County. This study will be made in early 1974 and from there we can determine if we need any additional studys. Mr. Fitzpatrick asked who was going to do this study for Anoka County. Mr. Langenfeld said it would be handled through the Anoka Health Department and would•probably be done by National Biochemicals. Mr. Langenfeld said that as a result of this study, if Fridley should decide that additional studies are needed, Fridley would have to pay for the additional studies. n MOTION by Blair, seconded by - Commission receive the minutes of Moore Lake Task Force Study Group to James Langenfeld from John B. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye n Drigans� that the Planning the Special Meeting of the of Ju1y Z7, 1973, and the letter Lundquist dated July 23, 1973. , the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Langenfeld asked if the Planning Commission would like copies of the minutes of the Environmental Quality Commission. Mr. Fitzpatrick said at the time the Environmental Commission was formed there was some discussion of making it a Subc,ommittee of the Planning Commission, and the Chairman�would be a member of the Planning Commission. They didn't want to hold up the forming of this Commission, so it was formed without the technicalities. This would have some bearing upon whether we receive your minutes or not. You do meet with the Parks & Recreation Commission, which is a Subcommittee of the Planning Commission. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Clark if there were any more storm sewer butlets planned for Moore Lake. Mr. Clark said the one for the new plat, Harris Lake Es�ates, would drain to Moore Lake. Mr. Harris asked if there was an outlet from Moore Lake. Mr. Clark said there was one to Rice.Creek. Mr. Clark.said the lake does fluctuate quite a bit. There was a weir on�the West side of Moore Lake that could be.moved closer to the lake. It is quite far away to be efficient. � 6 �'� �"'� Planning Commission Meeting - September 26, 1973 Page 13 Mr. Drigans asked how many members there w��e on the Environmental Commission. Mr. Langenfeld said there were six, plus the Chairman. Mr. Langenfeld said the MQOre Lake Task Force Study Group would not meet again unless the citizens that comprised the group asked to meet again. 5. CITY TREE NURSERY Mr. Harris asked what was happening in regard to the City having a tree nursey. Mr. Blair said Paul Brown would be writing a let�er on what was being done. Mr. Harris said that this is budget time, and if money isn't appropriated now for the �ursery,'then it will be p�t off far another year. 6. GENERAL DISCUSSION Mr. Harris said there should be some stop signs on Rancher's Road and Main 5treet. Mr. Clark said they would be needed at 77th; 79th and Main, and Rancher's Road and 79th. He said Main Street is being used more and more. He was sure this would be studied. Mr. Drigans asked about the Metro Station. Mr. Clark said there wasn't much the City could do as long as there was a law suit pending. Mr. Harris brought up the recodification of the City Code and that it will eliminate over night truck parking. General discussion followed on the change in this ordinance. Chairman Fitzpatrick adjourned the meeting at 11:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, . -� j ��v `'DorQthy Ev nson, Secretary