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PL 01/07/1976 - 6575,� , � _., " r , ,, _ y - � � _ CITY OF FRIDLEY AGENDA PLANNING COt�1ISSI0N MEETING JANUARY 7, 1976 7:30 P.M. CALL TO QRpER: PAGES ROLL CALI: APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 17, 1975� 1- T2 RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COh�1ISSI0N MINUTES: DECEMBER 13 - 17 18,_ 1975 RECEIVE APPEALS CONB�IISSION MINUTES: DECEMSER 30, 1975 18 - 14 DEVELOPMENT OF PLANNING COMMISSIOM'S GOALS AND OB�ECTIVES` (Please bring separate packet of Member Comnission's Goals & Objectives) RECEIVE ROUGN DRAFT OF COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN Separate � Baok � � CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COh1�1ISSI0N MEETING CALL TO ORDER: DECEMBER 17, 1975 Chairman Harris called the meeting to order at 7:35 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: PAGE 1 Harris, Bergman, Drigans, Langenfeld, Peterson Scott Barbara Shea, Vice Chairperson of N��man Resources Commission Jerrold Boardman, City Planner and 4 representatives of S.A.C.A.: •Grace Lynch, Human Resources Commission member Kay Poppoff, 10325 Xeon Street N.W. Mary Lagaros, Anoka County Community Acticn ;'rogram Joan Staupe, 6332 Boone Avenue Nor�h APPROVE PLANNIPdG COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 3, 1975 P1r. Harris said that on page 9 of the minutes, Mr. Scott said that Mr. Mprrell was close to having a recommendation far denial, so he shouid be happY that it vr�nt the way it did instead of himself. Mr. Langenfeld said t;hat on the top of page 20, it should be goals ar�d objectives, instead of goals and object��ns.... MOTZ"ON by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld, tbat the Planning Corrm�ission approve their minutes of December 3, 1975 as corrected. Upon � voice ��ote, a1.Z voting uye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEMBER 24, 1975 MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Corimission receive the Parks & Recreation Comm.ission rninutes of the November 24, Z975 meeting. Upon a voice vote, a1i voting aye, the motion carried uranimously. �ECEIVE COMPIUNITY DEVELOPMENT COt•1MISSION_MINUTES: DECEM�ER 2, 1975 ' MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Conununity DeveZopment Commission meeting of December 2, 19i5. _ Mr. Langenfeld asked why they had a presentation on taxation and assessment procedures? Mr. Bergman said this had come �rom a Community Devel�pment base af making Fridley the most desirable residentiai area in the met�ro�olitan area. 1•�e then got on the sub;;ect of residential improvements and it was pointed o�.:t that the tax structure tend2d to.discouraqe these home improvements �eca:ise th�is raised the tax base on your residential property. This discussion lnaci to the opinion that rather than p�naliz�n� a property �wner for making im{�rover��entss he should be given a tax break, if we wart to promote ti�is imarovemei�t pro_yram. Ne said that as they could read frc�m the minutes, it was poirted out ta us that�. tt7e 1;ax laws are established by the Sta�e, and tt�erefore there was �.o�hirg �i�a� Fridley could dc in regard to �he tax laws, that would be diffc�rent from �r�9�cjt ariy �.�ther Gity could do, so our suggestion was not feasible. Mr. Madsen painted out Planning Commission Meeting - December 17, 1975 Page 3 Spring Lake Park and Columbia Heights. They started meeting a little over a year ago to discuss and determine the emergency assistance needs for residents � in the southern part of Anoka C�unty. These communities border each other and have a combined population of 64,564. An attempt to oryanize was made for the following reasons: (1) There was no information and referral system serving this population center, (2) A few individual churches Hrere operating very limited emergency assistance programs. They consisted of pantry shelves and an emergency loan fund. The problem was twofold. The services were both insuf- ficient and inadequate. (3) The growing economic problems of inflated prices and high unemployment have forced more people into lower income brackets. The current unemployment rate in Anoka County is 9 to 10 percent accordiny to the Minnesota State Unemployment Office, and (4) Area resources had never been mobilized to serve these community needs. These resources included money, materials, and manpower. She conti'nued that when S.A.C�A. was organized, the�ir objective was to provide fo�d, clothing, transportation, shelter, medical needs, and other necessities to recipients in the southern part of Anoka County on an emergency and temporary basis as provided by the Board of Directors or their appointees. Furthermore, tc serve as an information and referral cen�=�r bet�reen the persons and families in need, and individuals, community organizations or social agencies that can best fill and/or meet those needs; to provide professional advice through resource volunteers, diagnose problems, and act immediately on survival needs, to provide short term casework service, liason between clients and other agencies; to motivate clients, to seek services through referrals; to render human care services through volunteerism, to motivate community groups and individuals to give of their time and experience; to fill the gap between the onset of problems and the agency and/or group best equipped to handle the problems(s), to increase the quantity and quality of needed human care services .� through volunteerism extended to service to individu��s in need of services, and the goals were to provide on an emergency and temporary basis, tangible goods, shelter, financial aid, and other necessities to clients in need. To provide short term casework service. To act as an information and referral service. To involve volunteers directly in human services, to involve community gro.�ps and - individuals in donating goods, monies, and services for those determined to be in need. To remain looseiy s�ructured in order to be free to meet needs as they arise. � Ms. Lynch said that they were appearing before the Planning Commission for a recommendation that the City of Fridley donate $500 toward the information and referral service only. She said the b�adget for this service was $1500 and they would apply to Columbia Heights and Spring Lake Park for a$500'donation also. She said the items that made up this budget were $36.00 for the installation of the phone, $597.00 for phone service for one year, cost of the phone after office hours which was $512.Q0 which included $354.00 for live answering service for one year and $158.00 far a metered line to answerin� service switchboard for one year, and $356.00 in costs of assembling the system and f�les. This $1500 was a one year budget. Mr. Bergman asked if this was a profit making organizatio�? Grace Lynch said it ��as not, it was a private non-prafit organization. Joan Staupe said that many churches in the area make donations in some form to S.A.C.A. .;� Mrs. Staupe said they had used several numbers where members of S:A.C.A. could be reached in preparin� food and toys for needy families for Christmas, but they were hoping to have just one number io call after the lst of January. Mr. Bergman asked if they had any record of how many calls they had received for this �� � � � Planning Commission Meeting - December 17, 1975 Paqe 5 of citizens helping another group of citizens. Mr. Boardman said he thought the CETA report should be ready by April or May, and he would like to wait until thai time before he made a recommendation for S.A.C.A. He didn't know how c'ritical this request was. Mrs. Shea asked if they had approached Spring Lake Park�and Columbia Heights with this proposal? Grace Lynch said this was the first City they had approached, but they would be making requests of the other two communities very soon. Chairman Harris asked how soon they would need a determination on this request. Grace Lynch said they would like one made at this meeting. Mr. Drigans said the Planning Commission was on1y a recommPnding body, so he was sure that this presentation would have to be made again before the City Council. Mr. Bergman said that in listening tc the discussion, he got the impression that the Human Resources Commission had not finished their job yet, and therefore, this request to support S.A.C.A was not timely. Can anyone clarify this. Mrs. Shea said �hat at the time the Human Resources Ccmmission made this a project, they were not aware of the S.A.C.A. organization. Mr. Boardman said that S.A.C.A had been org�nized about a year, and the CETA employee got involved with this at a later point in time. She is supposed to be checkinq with this group, Anoka County, Fridley, Blaine, the Red Cross, and athpr organizations to see how much daplication of services there are. When her report is completed, it shauld show us the best way to go to have this information and referral service, which is a needed service in this area. Joan Staupe said this was why one coordinated referral service was needed. It was very dif�icult to get the information to the people without one single number to call. Mr. Peterson said he ui�derstaod that this was a non-profit organizatic�n, that was not welfare and not under any governmental agency. He said they were�an action group, but all they were requesting funds for at this meeting was for the inforrlation and referral service part of this organization. Mr. Drigans asked if there was anyway that this could be a County-wide program, funded by the County? Mary Zagaros said there was no money available at the County for this type of project. Mr. Drigans asked Chairman Harris where the City got the funds for this typ� of a proposal. Mr. harris said it would have to come out of the General Fund:. Mr. Drigans then asked if the County didn't have a general fund? Grace Lynch said that because they were a beginning organization, there was no way they were going to get funding from the County. Once, they were established, they probably could get some Gounty fundir,g. She said this organization was still in the forming stage, and they needed help to get organized. Mr. Drigans said we had two County Lommissioner's, one in Columbia Neights, and one in Fridley, and he thought there should be some pressure brought to bear on them for funding from the County. Mr: Harris asked them if they had applied to the Cour.ty at all for funding? Grace Lynch said no. Planning Commission Meeting - December 17, 1975 Page 7 Mr. Peterson sa.i.d that he didn't know that much about S.A.C.A. and � even after an hour's presentation he wasn't prepared to make a recommendation on this organization. He said he would like to check with his church to see if they have worked with this organization and see what they say about it. He thought that sometimes they needed more information before they recommended that the City fund these different groups. He said it appeared that this would be quite a substantial program in years to come. � Chairman Harris said he could agree with some points made by everyone on the Commission. He said he thought this was a good idea and was probably a needed service'for the community. He didn't feel it was the primary responsibility of the City of Fridley to provide funding for this service forever and ever. He said he could vote for this on a one year basis, but next year he thought someone else should be participating. He thought they asked the taxpayers of the City of Fridley to carry enough burdens. He said he thought the Anoka County Board should be participating,.and as they mentioned, that after they had been organized longer, they could possibly get United Fund support. UPON A roll ca11 vote, Shea and Harris voting aye, Bergman and Drigans voting na�, and Peterson and Langenfeld abstaining, the motion failed for lack of a majority vote. MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Peterson, that ihe Planning Commissior recommend to Council tha.t they contact the Board of County Commissioner's with the recommendation that the County look into the feasibility of funding ihe S.A.C.A, program and the information and referral service in Anoka County. Upon. a voice vote, Bergman, Harris, Peterso�, Drigans, Langenfeld voting aye, Shea abstainir.g, the motion carried. RECEIVE COPY OF CITY OF FRIDLEY'S RECOMMENQATION ON THE PROPOSED RULES AND REGULATTONS OF THE MEQC MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Com�mission receive a copy of the City of Fridley`s recommendation on the proposed rules and regula- tions of the Minnesota Environmental Quality Council. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman said he had been upset during the discussion on the proposed rules and regulations of the Minnesota Environmental Quality Council because of the completely negative d�scu�sion by all parties. He said the reason it upset�him was because we a11 have sai back and complained asking why someone didn't do something about the ruination �f our natural resou•rces and the dispoiling of our waters, etc., and here was an effort to do something, and all he heard were negative con�ments. He said he even asked the question if anyone thought the intent of this law was good, and no one would respond. Mr. Peterson said he probably was negative because he felt that government did not necessarily have the expertise to say what was best for Fridley. Mr. Langenfeld said the nature of the recommendatio� on the proposed rules and regulations tends to make it less negative. He said that he thou_yht or.e of � the big points of this recommendation was the inclusion:.of envir�3n�erital planning. He said that if that was done, it ��ould eliminate a lot of negative feelings. Mr. Langcnfeld said he was pleased with the recommendatians as written Ly Mr. Boardman, and he was especially pleased with item 12. He said there were � � � Planning Co�mission Meeting - December 17, 1975 Paqe 9 in attend7ng some of the Parks & Recreation C�mmission meetings he had noted that they were very considerate of this type of thing. Mr. Drigans said there were six park goals with about eleven objectives, and only one recrea�ion goal and objective. He felt this was kind of lop-sided. Mr. Peterson said he thought they were being more people oriented by doing it this way. He said that rather than saddling themselves with for instance, tnat�they �ere going to maintain a Fridley football program, as a cooperative effort, we thought we would rather have as an objective to provide space management for the implementation of that program, or whatever type of program that people might want. He said that if interest in a youth foctball program should wane, that this be allowed to fade away without being an objective of _ the Parks & Recreation Commission to keep it going. That was why we wrote our goals and objectives heavy on the facility side and heavy on community involvement side, and less specifically program oriented. It allows us to serve a changing population as the citizens deman� �rograms. Mr. Drigans said that physical fitness had been a national goal. He said this was for all people, regardiess of age o whether they were sport oriented or not. He thought this should ha��e been mentioned in these goals and objectives. He thought this would be a gcod goal for the City to �dhere to. Mr. Peterson said he would have no objection to this being a goal when ihe Planning Commission set up their goals and objectives. Mr. Peterson said that �vith the type of budget the Par-ks. and Recreation De�artment. operated under, the �wltitu�es of uses that the parks were Rut to, and the diverse programs that our citizens want, they didn't feel that a program would be a benefit unless there was a spirit in it by interested people in that program. . Mr. Boardman said the main thing that the Parks & Recreatio� Commission was trying to evolve was that the City of Fridley shculd not be in the job of sponsoring or providing a recreation activ�ty, but what they sho�ld be doing was encouraging recreational activity through the use and utilization of management of recreation faciiities. The enco��ragem�rt and prosnotion of recreation- al activities should come under space management of the faciliti�s. Mr. Drigans said he didn't a�ree with Mr. guardman. We have a Pa�°k Qepai�tm���t that manages the facilities. We have a Park ��ecreation Commission that encompas- ses, not only the recommendation to mar�a5e those facilities, but to create a managed program for the citizens. Mr. �oardman said the City could no� �fford to maintai� full fl�dged programs. Ne said t� hire coaches and umpires and to complete1y manage a program was too c�st prohibitive. Mr. Peterson said that in the case of the City baseball program, it had cost them $12,000 to have a baseball program for 200 boys. H° said that the Babe Ruth and Little League have run a program for 750 boys for $8,0�0. That was the difference between a City program and a private program. He said the private programs can get volunteers for coaching and umpiring. He said ��e provided the facilities for the volunteer programs, but it was much less costly to the City. Mr. Peterson said they did have more recreation goals, but as they debated them, they decided to leave speci*ic programs out of the recreation goa�s so they could remain more flexibie. 4:e felt that by n�entioning specific programs, we were te1ling the citizenry what thcy wanted, and we would rather be in � Planning Commission Meeting - December 17, 1975 Paqe 11 try and get through �he comprehensive housing plan in order to meet the deadline. This housing plan has been set up on the Planning Commission goals and objectives which have not been set up yet. � Mr. Boardman said he had set a tentative deadline that the City Council hold the public hearing on the comprehensive housing plan and the HUD block grant application on February 9, 1976. Mr. Harris said he didn't know if they could meet that deadline. Mr. Boardman said this would require a Planning Commission public hearing on the 21st of January. Mr. Boardman said th2 next draft would be m�re complete tha the first draft they received and it would include all the maps and background data. � Mr. Harris said the.ir first meeting in January wauld be the 7th, so they would only have one meeting before �he Public Hearina. Mr. Boardman said they had set up Planning Commission meetings on the 21st and 28th of January, and they would have a meeting on February 4th before this went to the City Council far their public hear;ng. He said that if ihe Planning Commission would read this plan through before their meeting of January 7th this would save a lot of time. He 4�ould try to set up the member Commission meetings so that they could get their input to the Planning Commission. Mr. Sergman asked if he understoad correctly that this plan was suppesed to be based on published goals and objectives? If so, we had better put our thrust on �hat. Mr. Boardman said they were basing this on some goals and objectives of the member Commission's at the present time. i� Chairman Harris said i4 would be great to meet the timetable as - Mr. Boardman had described, but he didn`t I<now if they could mal;e it. All they could da was try. Mr. Boardman said he knew it �as a tough schedule. � He said it would require each Corrimission member to do some homework. They would have to read all the data before the �r�eeting, and this wauid facilitate their review. Mr. Boardman said he thought he would set up a tentati��e timetable, and if the review of the comprehensive housing plan couldn't be completed by the deadline, then they would have to make a HUD block grantfund application next year instead of this year. Chairman.Harris said they wouid try to work within the timetable, but if it couldn't be done, it wouldn't be done. Mr. Drigans asked P1r. Eoardman if he could qive some idea of how much time it would take to review this plan on�an individual, basis. Mr. Qoardman said he thought it would take about 10 hours. NEW APPOIfV i i�it.NTS TO MCMBE � COi��`ISSIONS Mr. Bergman a d that one member of their Commissior. (Community Development) had only attended��eeting. She has said that she wouldn't be coming to any more meetings, but she hasn't sent in a resignation. Ne said he would like to request the City C�:�ncil to appoint someone to take Mrs. Stanley's place. The Community Development Commission had quite a lot to do on �his Commission ai this time. anci it was hard being one member short. . . , . Chairman Narris said he would urg� the City Council to appoint a new member to the Comnzunity Development Commission �n all due haste. City of �ridley THE MINUT�S OF TFiE APPEP,LS COMMISSION SUBCOt+IMITTFE MEETING OF D�C�MBER 30, 1975 �� The meeting was called to order by Acting Chairwoman Wahlberg at 7:40 P.M. � MEMBERS PRES�NT: MEMBERS ABSENT: OTHERS PRESENT: Wahlberg, Gabel, Kemper, Plemel Drigans Howard Mattson - Planning Assistant APPROVAL OF APPEALS COMAIISSION MINUTES: December 9, 1975 MOTION by Kemper, seconded by Plemel, to approve the minutes of the Decer.iber 9, 1975 meeting as written. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried. 1. A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.134, 4B, FKIDL�Y CITY COD�, TO REDUCE THE SID� YARD S�TBACK FROM THE REQUIREll 20 FEET T^ S FEET, TO ALL0�9 THE CONSTRUCTION OF A T'IETAL COLD STORAG� BUILDING TO BE LOCATED ON PART OF LOT 4, AUDITOIZ'S SUBDIVISIOId #79, THE SI�I�1E BEING 5130 PiAIN STREET N.E. , FRIDLEY, MINPdESOi'A. (R�QUEST BY DEALEI2S A7l�NUFACTURING CO. , 5130 rfAIPJ STREET N.E. , I'RIDLEY, MINNESOTA. ) MOTION by Gabel, sE,onded by Kemper, to open the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, there being no•nays, the motion carried. Mr. Dave Goodwin, general manager, was present to present the request. He explained the proposed metal building is being planned to accomodate the material that is presently being stored outside their existing building�. He said if they had to meet the side yard setback with this building, they would be left with 12 feet of unuseable space and it would also present Froblems with restricting the riovement af their trucks and fork lifts coming in and out of their existing building. � Mr. Good�ain explained that his company remanufactures parts for vehicles ana the scrap iron is placed outside until the scrap truck can pick it up. He said that they also have one 18,000 gallon and five 1,000 gallon chemical tanks that they now have in a tin shed that they would like to get into a more peYmanent stnicture. Mr. Plemel asked how big the proposed building would be and also if it would be visible from Main Street. Mr. Goodwin stated that they are not totally committed on the size of the building yet but they are looking at a 40 foot by 100 foot building that is constructed so it can be added onto at a later date if the need arises. Iie added that the peak of the building would be higher than their existing b�ilding but because of its location it w�uld not be visible from Main Street. Chairwoman Wahlberg noted the Board hau received a letter from Reserve Supply Cor 5110 Main Street, indicating they could not appear at this meeting but that they wanted the Board to know that they had no objections to the variance request. MOTION by Plemel, seconded by Kemper, to receive the letter from Reserve Supply Co. Upon a voice vote, there beinq no nays, the motion carried. Mx. Goodwin stated they had talked to both P'ullerton Metals, property owner to the north, and Reserve Supply Co. and there were no objections from either business on Lhe v�riance. Mr. Plemel noted that the existing buildings for both Dealers Manufacturing and �Fullerton Metal� were closer to the lot line thar: the proposed building would be. Mr. Goodwin said these building must have been built before the Code required a 20 foot side yard setback. �;�r ^ o;.,-z�.w.� , „y _ y ;;. r� ..• l � CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNNING COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 7, 1976 CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Harris called the meeting to order at 7:45 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Langenfeld, Drigans, Peterson, Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Lillian Meyer, 7868 Alden Way of Women Voters PAGE 1 Scott, Harris, Bergman N.E. representing League APPROVE PLANNING CONP�IISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 17, 1�75 MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission approve the minutes of the December I7, 1975 meeting as amended. Mr. Scott said he would like to clarify some things about S.A.C.A. that were brought out at this meeting. He said there was a recommendation that this be a County project, but the County didn't want to get involved in an area-wide information and referral service. The information arid referral service proposed by S.A.C.A. would be more local than area-wide, and would provide the service for local residents. He said the City Council did allocate the $500 to S.A.C.A. and they have since been to the Columbia Heights Numan Rights Commission, whe're_they were well receiv�d, with no finaT decision on the allocation of funds. He said that the C�TA employee that was working for t�e Human Resources Commission said that her firs� finding was that an information and referral service was needed in Fridley. Mr. Drigans said that he felt this service was going to be utilized by the citizens of Anoka County. Mr. Scott said this service would only be made known in the cities in Southern Anoka County, Spring Lake Park, Columbia Heights and Fridley. Mr. Drigans said he felt that this was opening Pandora's Box because this organization had additional ideas, and so far, we were the only City who was participating in this funding, and he thought they would be back for additional funding. He felt that all the non-profit organizations in Frildley would feel that they had the same,right to get fundinz� from the City,for their pet project and he thought the�re should be a line drawn someplace. He said he thought it was a good idea and it was needed, but was this what our tax dollar was supposed to be going for? He thought there could have been some other type of fund raising tried before they came to the City. ' Mr. Harris said he felt that how the City spent their money was a matter of priorities. Mr. Bergman said that on page 11 under new appointments to member comnissions, he said he wanted the first sentence ainended to say that one member had only attended a few meetings. UPON A voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Pl.anning Comnission Meeting - January 7, 1976 Page 2 RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CONMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 18, 1975 MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Conun.ission receive the EnvironmentaZ QuaZity Co�ission minutes of the December Z8, 1975 meeting. Mr. Boardman said the recomnendations of the Environrr�n�al Quality Comnission on the 3.2,beer ordinance should be referred to at the time the Planning Commission reviews this ordinance. This would be after they got input from some of the other Comnissions. UPON a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 30, 1975 MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recieve the Appeals Co�nission minutes of the meeting of December 30, 1975. Mr. Drigans said the Appeals Commission had received the authority to act on variances on residential property (R-1) and would have such an item on their agenda for their first meeting in January. UPON a voice vote, alI voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT: 7840 ELM STREET N.E., BY PACO MASONRY DESCRIPTION This permiti� for the construction of a warehouse building at 7840 Elm Street N.E. The building is to be constructed of masonry and brick and will have a total floor area of 8,400 square feet (70 feet by 120 feet). The building design is similar to other Paco buildings in the area. There is ample parking space with 8 stalls needed and 10 stalls provided. Additional parking space can be obtained on the property to the south through a joint agreement when needed. The landscaping is similar to other buildings in the area, however, additional landscaping in the front of the building would accent the property. ENGINEERING: Poured concrete curbing should be provided in the parking lot area. ENVIRONMENT: The proposed project will fit in well with the other buildings in th_is area. STIPULATIONS: None MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Drigans, that the PZanning Corrmtission receive the administrative staff report on 7840 E1m 5treet N.E., by Paco-Masonry. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimous�ty. Mr. Boardman said there would be no variances necessary for this building, Planning Comnission Meeting - January 7, 1976 Page 3 DEVELOPMENT OF PLANNING COMMISSION'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES Mr. Boardman said he would like to explain the direction he would like to see the goals and objectives take so they would fit in with program budgeting. Minneapolis has a policy guide type program that he would like to use as a format in helping to set up the Planning Commission goals and objectives. It has set up a certain goal wlth the objectives, and from that they have set up �heir principle policies on it, �nd with these principle policies, they set up their program policies and also illustrative targets and p�rformance criteria. They then show how they wil� fit into program budgeting. He said that in this way we can be sure that the goals and objectives that are set up are related to the budget as they should be. Mr. Boardman said that when the Planning Commission goals and objectives have been determined they would fit very nicely into this type of system, because by setting up these goals and objectives, and then breaking them down into policy and implementation programs, you would already have programs that they were working on. It will give a good aid in establishing our priorities. We know how much money we will have in the coming years, and we can break it down into priorities that we havelisted under our goals and objectives. He thought this was a good direction to think about. Mr. Peterson asked if the proposed housing plan would be part of the Planning Comnission's goals and objectives? Mr. Boardman said this was the next thing he wanted to discuss. He said the Planning Commission should take some kind of a stand on the goals and objectives in the housing plan before this plan goes to the City Council. MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Scott, that the Planning Corran.ission receive the rought draft of the eomprehensive Housing P1an. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimQUS1y. Mr. Boardman said the Planning Comnission would not be discussing this plan until they had input from the member Comnissions. Mr. Langenfeld asked if the way the goals and objectives were incorporated into the housing plan was the way other goals and objectives would be worked into other plans. Mr. Boardman said that when the goals and objectives were established by the Planning Cor�nission and the City Council, then these goals and objectives would be the goals and objectives of the City. With comprehensive planning, we would plug those goals and objectives into that plan. Mr. Drigans asked Mr. Boar�nan to explain to Lillian Meyer, representative of the League of Women Voters, what had been done on the goals and objectives by�the member Cor�nissions and where they were in this whole program. Mr. Peterson said that Ms. Meyer had been present at the Parks & Recreation Commission meeting when they had worked on their goals and objectives. Mr. Boardman said that up to this point, the City had never established viable goals and objectives to determine what direction they should take in the future. He said the thought behind the rearganization of the Planning Commission was that they become more involved in the policy decisions and recommendations to the City Council. As they are the main planning body, they should be involved in future planning. It was determined that the first thing they would need would be goals and objectives. These goals and objectives would set the pace and policies to be established for the next 10 to 15 years. He said that each member Commission made their Planning Corrunission Meeting - January 7, 1976 Page 4 recommendations to the Planning Comnission on the goals and objectives for their particular area of interest, which were reviewed by the Planning Comnission. Now it was up to the Planning Corrmission to start putting these things together to determine some viable goals and objectives. These will then go to the City Council. Mr. Peterson asked what format they were going to use to establish their goals and objectives? Mr. Boardman said they would follow the format that he had mentioned before as a policy guide he had received from Minneapolis. He said he had copies of this guide for each member of the Commission which they could study to see how this applied to what they were trying to do. He said the goal areas could be environment, parks & recreation, human resources, health, housing, etc. The first thing they would have to establish were the goal areas. He said these could cover broad areas or specific areas. Mr. Scott said he liked this format. There was discussion by the members of the Planning Corrmission that the goals and objectives that had been established by member Commissions be combined and used as a beginning by the Planning Commission in establishing their goals and objectives. Mr. Bergman said he would like to take all the comments made and combine them in a motion. He said he didn't see why they should try to do something as a group that administration could do in one tenth of the time and in very good fashion. MOT�ON by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, that the PZanning Commission request of the administration that the goals and objectives as developed by member Commis- sions be grouped or subjectized as identified by these goals and objectives, and bring them back to the Planning Con¢nission in an organized, consolidated fashion, eliminating dupZications, for P�anning Commission review. Mr. Peterson said that the Planning Comnission wou1d still have the individual packets of the original goals and objectives of each Commission so that if they felt that something their particular Corrgnission felt strongly about wasn't included in this consolidation, that Commission member could bring it up at the time of the review. Mr. Langenfeld said he wouldn't want the intent of some of the member Comnission's goals and objectives completely changed or lost in this consolidation, but he thought this was the best way to start. Mr. Scott said he would speak against this motion, because he thought that by asking staff to establish the goals we would be losing the citizen input from the planning process which he felt should be a concern of the Planning Commission. He said that if the Planning Commission would establish the goal areas, the statements that would follow those goals could be sorted out later. He said he thought they should get staff guidance on the goal areas� rather than have the staff guide us. He didn't think it would be a burdensome task for this Commission to determine it's broad goal areas. He said the goal statements could be sorted out later. Mr. Bergman said he was not asking ad�inistration to determine the goal areas because he thought they were already spelled out in the member Commission's goals and objectives. He was just asking the staff to organize the objectives under the goals already established so there wouldn't be duplication. He said he wanted the gaals and objectives combined into a format that the Planning Commission could deal with. Mr. Langenfeld said he didn't feel that in anyway this motion was eliminating the citizen input. Planning Commission Meetin - January 7, 1976 Page 5 _ Mr. Peterson said he had seconded the motion because he felt the member Commissions had already given the direction they wanted to go, and he felt the member Comnissions had more citizen participation in formulating their goals and objectives than the Planning Commission. Chairman Harris asked Mr. Boardman if they were going to discuss the goals and objectives of the proposed housing plan at this meeting. Mr. Boardman said he thought they would. Mr. Peterson said he thought this question was out of order because he didn't think they should be discussing anything in the proposed comprehensive housing plan until they got input from the member Commissions. Mr. Boardman said that it could be possible that the Planning Commission would have more goals than were brought out by the member Coa�nissions because they will cover a broader area. He said he would like to have the housing goals discussed at this meeting, because we already know that will be one of the goal areas of the Planning Cor�nission. The Comprehensive Housing Plan is now in the process of being reviewed, and the goals and objectives for housing have already been approved by the member Commissions. He said the Planning Commisssion already had input from the member Commissions on housing, and he thought they should get into these goals and objectives before they have the public hearing on the proposed Comprehensive Housing Plan. Mr. Bergman said he would like to clari�y his motion. It was merely to request that the City administration do some grouping under subjects already quite broad in scope. He said there were a lot of duplications, and he thought staff could do this much faster than we could at this meeting, without losing the context of the total goals and objectives, and asking the staff to present this back to us. This would give the Planning Commission the opportunity to check it �ga�ns� what our own Comnission had recommended. He didn't see how they could lose anything with that checking opportunity. He said �what Mr. Boardman had done with the goals and objectives in the proposed housing plan was what he wanted done with all the goals and objectives. He said that at the Community Development Commission meeting, they had checked the goals and objectives in the housing plan, and felt that none of the context of their Carmission had been lost. He thought this would save the Planning Correnission a lot of time. Mr. Scott said he thought he had misunderstood the motion. Mr. Drigans said he thought one of the things that had been overlooked was the timing. He said that when the member goals and objectives were reviewed by the Planning Comnission, there were suggested changes and additions made, and he had never found in any of the member Cor�nission minutes that these changes or additions have ever been addressed by the member Commissions, so he didn",t see how administration could take the original goals and objectives and work from them. He thought it was important that the Planning Cor�nission had spent many hours reviewing the goals and objectives, but he hadn't seen any revisions as yet. Mr. Boardman said he didn't think this was supposed to be a question and answer type thing where the Commission would send up their reco�nendations for goals and objectives and the Planning Commision would send them back for recommenda- tions for changes, so that each Commission would send up goals and objectives that were pleasing to the Planning Cor�nission. This was just meant to be input from the member Cor�nissions, and if the Planning Commission wants to make changes on that input, the Planning Commission can make the changes. Mr. Drigans said he felt that the Planning Comnission had not seen the fruit of their work on these goals and objectives. Mr. Boardman said th�.s was because the Planning Commission still had a lot of work to do on these goals and objectives. Mr. Langenfeld said that all the time the goals and objectives were being reviewed, it was stressed that these_ Were only recommendations and were not binding as hard and fast rules. Planning Commission Meeting - January 7, 1976 Page 6_ Mr. Boardman said that under the reorganization, the Planning Cor�niss�on was given the sole ��sponsib�liiy for recommending policy decisions to the City Council. Member Commissions may be asked by the Planning Commission for their recommendations on policy decisions, but the primary function of the member Comnissions was the implementation of policy decisions. UPON A VOICE VOTE, aZl voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. G�airman Harris said he thought they should talk about housing goals: Mr. Drigans asked if the housing goals in the comprehensive housing plan were taken from the original recommendations, or if the changes recomnended by the Planning Commission had been incorporated into them. Mr. Boardman said they had been taken from the original goals and objectives as proposed by the member Comnissions. Mr. Bergman said his Com mission had reviewed the housing plan at their last meeting and had paid particular attention to the housing goals and objectives. He said they had recommended that some changes be made. We also suggusted that they drop the Comnission titles. He said the Comnunity Development Cor�nission was satisfied with the goals and objectives in this housing code, and he thought each Comnissioner could review it the same way when the goals and objectives come back in groupings from the administration. Mr. Boardman said the Comnission headings would be dropped, but in the rough draft they felt they had to have something to relate to. Chairman Harris asked when they wanted to get off the subject and get on with the housing goals and objectives. Mr. Bergman said the housing goals and objectives shouid be included with the other they were asking the administration to prepare. of procedure he thought groupings Mr. Langenfeld said he thought they might have to drop their other goals just for the present and get going on the housing goals and objectives. Mr. Scott said he agreed with this suggestion. Mr. Bergman said that the Cor�nunity Development Comnission would still be reviewing the Comprehensive Housing Plan, with these goals and objectives, at their next meeting, and it seemed out of context for the Planning Comnission to be reviewing them at this meeting. Mr. Boardman said the housing goals and objectives were recommended by the member Commissions to the Planning Commission, and the Planning Comnission had reviewed those recommendations, so he didn't feel it was out of context for the Planning Commission to review the goals and objectives of the comprehensive plan at this meeting. He said the only reason these goals and objectives were used in the plan was because the Planning Corrmission hadn't set up any goals and objectives on housing. If we don't do this at this meeting, we will only have the January 21st meeting to review the entire comprehensive plan before the public fiearing on January 28th. Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Boardman if he felt all the duplications had been eliminated. Mr. Boardman said he couldn't say that all the duplication had been eliminated, but pretty much so. He said there were four goals from the Comnunity Development Commission, and one goal from Human Resources, and the goals didn't have to be approved as they were laid out. He said he wanted the Planning Corranission to look at the contents of each goal and see if that was the direction they wanted to go. Mr. Peterson said that goal #3 states "Develop, maintain and enforce a planned, well balanced land use system". He felt that with this goal you would have to be looking at open space and��park:areas, because housing without parks or parks without housing, was not consistent, yet in the Parks & Recreation Commission goals and objectives, we have a goal of pro�iding people oriented � Planning Comnission Meeting - �January 7, 1976 Page 7 parks and yet there was nothin!� said about that type of land use under goal #3. He said that he agreed with Mr. Bergman that until the grouping was done on all the goals and objectives, he tl�ought the Planning Corrunission would be wasting their time. MOTIDN by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission take a.Z5 minute brea:�, and then come back and from 10:00 to 11:00 P.M. discuss the housing goals to give staf�F some direction. Mr. Boardman said the housing goals are of primary importance in putting the Comprehensive Housing Plan together. Mr. Harris said the surve�i tells us pretty much where we were. We need to ask ourselves what we are tr•ying to accomplish and where we want to go from here. UPON a voice vote, aZZ voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairman Harris declared �� recess at 9:45 P.M. and reconvened the meeting at 10:00 P.M. Mr. Boardman said he woulcl rather �e� somethi-n� in_the goa�s..like.what was the Minneapolis policy guide wfiich states "Assure individuals and families, without discrimination, a choic:e of well-designed types of housing in varied, distinctive and satisfying living environments at costs which do not compromise essential needs and wants". MOTION by Scott, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Coirunission approve Goal #2 with the addition of "w�ithout disciimination". This goal wouZd then read "Provide for and maintain, without discrimination, a diversity of suitable housing and living environraents within the community". Mr. Langenfeld asked if this would be the primary housing goal. Mr. Scott said they might come up w�ith another goal statement later on. UPON A VOICE VOTE, a11 vofiing aye, the motion carried unanimously. in other Chairman Harris asked if they wanted to discuss objectives under this goal. Mr. Scott said he would like to see something included about the neighborhood concept idea and about housTng maintenance. He would also like to see something about the promotion of underground utilities due to inclement weather conditions. Mr. Langenfeld said that i:his Comprehensive Housing Plan mentions what has happened in Minneapolis and Collumbia Heights and he would like to see something in the goals which would prever�t that happening in Fridley. Mr. Peterson said he wou�d like to see all six goals adopted because they all relate to housing. He saicl that if they could reach all these goals, this would alleviate the problem that Mr. Langenfeld referred to. Mr. Langenfeld said he thought these problems should be mentioned as the reason we are having these particular goals and objective��. Mr. Bergman said he thougrit �lhat Mr. Langenfeld would like would be a sumnary of trends or problems which we are concerned about, which would be inserted just before the goals and objectives. Planning Commission Meetin,9 _ January 7, 1976 Page 8 Mr. Peterson said he thought the goal was still primary, and this statement could be put in before the obj�ctives. Mr. Bergman felt that the objectives were not identifications of pr��blems. Mr. Boardman said the goal should be the primary statement. Our objectives should state where we want to �o. We have to provide housing at costs which do �at compromise other essent�ial wants or needs. We've got to take a look at low and moderate income hou�sing. He have to look at quality living environment. How do you achieve this? The Planning Comnission would also have to look at preservation and the updating of existing neighborhoods. Mr. Peterson said that wh�n you talk about low and moderate income housing, then you have to also talk about distribution. Mr. Harris said he liked i:he first objectives under Goal #2 which says they should provide a wide range of adequate housing opportunities for people of all income levels, age groups, and ethnic backgrounds. Mr. Drigans said that wher� you talk about the distribution of low and moderate income housing, the �irst thinq that people think about is sub-standard housing. Maybe we should add quality bu�lt low and moderate income housing. Mr. Bergman said that if the Planning Corrrn�ssion was goinq t� address this point, it wo�ld be hard to state it so that no o�E' would take exception to it. Mr. Boardman said Fridley was developed so far already, we can't talk about distribution of low and moderate income housing units, we have to be talking about the distribution of people. Mr. Bergman said they were missing one of the points in distribution and that was to avoid the occur�ance of a ghetto, and that is housing. Mr. Langen- feld said it could state somewr�ere that these goals and objectives were people oriented. Mr. Scott said maybe� we should come right out and say ghetto, if this was what the low and moderate income statement was about. Mr. Peterson said that "p�ople" could probably be worked into our goal rather than just in some of the� objectives. Mr. Bergman said that Goal #2 could read "Provide for and maintain„ without discrimination, a suitable housing and living environment for all peoF�le within the corrmunity." h1r. Boardman said that saying "within our community" s;eemed restricting, because these housing goals should apply to anyone wanting to move into Fridley, and did not follow the metropolitan concept idea. Amended MOTION by Scott, s�econded b� Bergman, that Goal #2 read "Provide for and maintain in the comraunity, without discrimination, a diversity of suitable housing and living enviranments� for a11 persons'-'. Upon a voice vote;on the amended motion, a1l voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman said he likedl the goal as changed by Mr. Scott. He said we were talking about household� �ot just housing. Mr. Drigans said there was one area in the objectives that hasn't been discussed, and that was to encaurage the development of advanced technology in our building industry for the �urpose of conserving resources and energy. He also felt that the first objective under Goal #2 was not redundant with the change in the goal itself. Mr. Boardman said this could be replaced with the statement to provide housing at costs which do not compromise other essential wants or needs. Planning Commissi.on Meeting Januar� 7, 1976 Page 9 MOTION by Drigans to delete the first objec�ive under GoaZ #2 because it was redundant. Chairman Harris asked if he would withdraw his motion and let the staff work on these objectives because if was no w 11:05 P.M. and they had a previous motion that the discussion only be continued until 11:00 P.M. Mr: Drigans WITHDREW his motion. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Peterson, seconded hy Langenfeld, that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye,-Chairman Harris declared the Planning Commission meeting of January 7, 1976 adjourned at 11:07 P.M• ity Planner �_ ;,, : ������ � � i!j ;�� � :: . . � � ,_ ' f�! � � � � , j ; . -, : I - . � . � . . � Lk1 %' Z.� ___. c�`7 _.—. __ - ' --_ _ _— — --- _ _ _. _ . _ _- - __ __ _ --- � / ��1 ��� � �� � � ' . � � '���� , �°� _ __ _.---- --_ _ _ _ _ - ��,�� _ _ _ _ __ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ --- _+ _ . _ . __ __ __ _ _ �? ___ ___ . _ - __ _ _ _ _ _ __ , _ _ _ _------��_�-- : ------ � _ __--. ___ - --- ---__- - _ _ ____ _ MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: �.� ENVIROI�'PiENTAL COMI�IISSTON December 18, 1975 Bruce Peterson, Mike Paripovich, Lee Ann Sporre, Jim Langenfeld, Thomas Sullivan None OTHERS PRESENT: Alex Barna - Interested Citizen Steven Olson - Environmental Officer Jerry Eoardman - City Planner Chairpersor� Langenfeld opened the meeting at 7:45 P.M. He welcomed riew mernLers 3ruce Peterson and Mike Paripovich to the Commission and introduced them to those present at the meeting. APPROVAL OF r1TNUTES UF OCTOBER 16, 1975 ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETI:��G : MOTION by Lee lynn Sporre, seconded by Brotner Sullivan, to approve the minutes of �:le �ctofler 16, 1975 Eizvironr.�ental Commission meeting as written. Jpon a voice vote, all vating aye, the motion carried unanimously. Ms. Sporre state� she would like to amend the agenda to include a discussion regarding the Commission appointments. DISCUSSION ON COi�IMISSION APPOINTMENTJ: Ms. Sparre s�ated those �ersons who �,:ere suggested, but not appointed to the Cor.unission could certainly serve the Commission in some capaci �y if the_y �aished to do so . Mr. Langen.fei_d stazed tiieir names will be heid for the Planning Co;r�rnission's use in ihe future. He added letters should be sent to them thanicing ther.i for.their interest in the Commission. ' 1'(�Tldlv i:Zi i��'� �ii7l. ;��DUa:'i�2? St�'COi1C12C� Lj1 Fii'UC:2 Fetez�S071� tnat tne C�:ty COLiI1C11 con�ider thess persor.s zn ap�otntments to the other commissions� Upon a v�ice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried �unanimously. Ms. Sporre suggested Mr. Langenf�ld a.n behalf of �,ne Commission asking to serve on a project coruni�tee in Commission m::..ght choose or in tahich special i:nte.rest. � write these p`ople letters them if they would be willing a speci.fic area which the these persons may have a ��� ENVIRONMENTAL CONIMISSION MEETING _ PAGE 3 REVIEWAL 0� MARY MARTTNiS RESIGNATTON LETTER: Ms. Sporre read Ms. Martin's resignation letter aloud to the Commissioners. She stated she did not think it was fair for Ms. Martin to say the Commission had accomplished practically nothing. Ms. Sporre stated she felt environmental awareness had been shown, especially.in the North Park matter. She also stated she felt Ms. Martin's comment as to the total disagreement within the Com,-nission was also unfair. Ms. Sporre added there will be differences in opinion in any Commission. However, she did not feel these differences were invalid. Through these differences of opinion, the City Council has the benefit af knowing both sides of thc arguments and can, therefore, make better deci.sions. Brother Sullivan explained he felt it was unfair for Ms. Martin to state the Chairperjon, Mr. Langenfeld, had forced the two of them into total impasse. He added he did not share that same view. REVIEWEiL 0�' 3.2 BEER LICENSE REQUIREMENTS: Mr. Langenfeld ordinance (602 to whether this � Commission. stated he did not see much relation between this - Beer) and the er_vironment. He questioned as item shouid have been brought to the Environmental Mr. Boardman stated the largest item lacking in the ordi:lance was control. He suggested a definition section be set up as to what would classify a 3.2 beer operation as a bar - tavern. He a�ded the ordinance now states if anybody wishes to se� up an operation which is accessory to the principle use of the cpera- tion, all they would need would be a license. Ms. Sporre asked what would constitute grounds for denial. Mr. Boardman stated there is nothing in the ordir.ance presently which says the City Council can deny a license on the grounds of public nuisance, or anything else for that matter. Ms. Sporre stated she did nct want these opera�tions even 3G0 feet from churches and schools as the ordinance reads. She. added residential areas should be considered also in this impact radius. She felt this could very easily effect prope��y values. Mr. Paripovich agreed the impact radius of an oper�.tion such as this was far greater than 300 fect as stated in �he ordinance. He added a home owner has tnE .r•ight to prefer not to have a 3.2 beez� establishment near his home. � ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSTON MEETING PAGE 5 Seconded for discussion by Mike Paripovich. �_� Ms. Sporre said she would like the rough draft of the ordinance brought back to the Commission prior to its reviewal by the Planning Commission. Mr. Langenfeld explained if the item was brought back,a delay in its consideration by the Planning Commis- sion could result. Also, any suggested changes could be brought to the attention of the Planning Commission or City Council in the process of its reviewal. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. DISCUSSION ON ORDINANCE 603 - INTOXICATING LIQUOR: Mr. Paripovich cited a portion of Ordinance 603 - Intoxicat:�ng. Liquor - which states no license shall be granted or held by any person "who is not of good moral character." He questioned as to how the City could determine this. Mr. Boardman explained this cannot be determined. The Commission agreed this ordinance should be clarified by rewriting it. MOTION by Mike Pa�ipovich, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, to recommend to �tl:e Planning Commission tl-iat Ordinance 603 -- Tr.toxicating Lic�uor - be rewritten. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Bruce Peterson, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that the Environmental Commission meeting of December 18, 1975 adjourn at 11:10 P.M. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,"the motion carried unanimously, Res�ectfully submitted, �U%c.��-�'�%�-�?,e��� Hol.ly onsager � Recording Secretary