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PL 03/17/1976 - 6581� .,� r CITY OF FRIDLEY A G E N D A � .�; _ � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MARCA 17� 1976 7:30 P.M. CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: PAGE5 APPROVE PLANNING COMMI5SION MINUTES: MARCH 3, 1976 1- 26 RECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MINUTES: MARCH 9, 1976 These minutes contain this Commission's recommen- dations on 40' lots. All recommendations from the member Commission's will be included in one agenda for consideration by the Planning Commission. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MARCH 4, 1976 Some residents of Fridley who objected to a variance were invited to voice these objections at the Planning Commission meeting if they so desired. Any comments on the Appeals Commission recommendations may be made at this time. 1. 2. 3. 27 - 32 33 - 39 FOR A SPECIAL 40 - 46 To allow the construction of a l0' x 30' billboara in M-2 Zoning (heavy industrial areasj, to designate the entrance to Plywood Minnesota and Wickes, to replace an existing non-conforming sign, per Fridley City Code, Section 214.042, located on Lot 9, Block 1, Great Northern Industrial Center, the same being 5301 East River Road N.E. Public Hearing open. OF A 47 - 51 ATION: Being a replat oi uutloc n, lnnsprucx Addition, generally locateS South of Innsbruck North'TOwnhouses, Phase S, II, and III. Public Hearing closed. 52 - 53 ;��. �. .,� . Planninq Commission Agenda Pa4e 2 4. 5. c March 17, 1976 IDERATION c iu:raa.ara.ca�au�a - a: a+r>x �� .. i ----" BY DARREL A. AR12 DEVET,OPMENT CORPORATION: Bein a replat of Outlot B, Innsbruck North Addition, along witfi Lot 49, except the Westerly 210', Auditor's Subdivision No. 92, qenerally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E. and West of the Biack Forest Apartment. Public Hearing closed. , DEVELOPMENT 6. PIIBLIC HEARING; REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP - 3, BY LYT3DALE TERMINAL COMPANY: To allow the location of a garden center in the Northeast corner of the parking lo� of Holiday Village North, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101, 3, N, located on Part of Lot 13, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, the same being 250 57th Avenue N.E. 7 :` . REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL SP #76-04, BY HENNING NELSON CONSTRUCTION COMYANZ: To permit the construction o a duplex and or a double hungalow in an R-1 District (single family dwellinq areas), per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3, D, to be located on Lots 13, 14, 15 and 16, Block 2, Riverwood Manor Addition, generally located South of 71st Way N.E. and West of East River Ro�d N.E. PAGE5 54 - 60 61 62 - 65 66 - 85 8. PUBLIC HEARING: COI3SIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY 86 - 96 PLAT, P:S. #76-03, LEIGH TERRACE ADDITION, BY LEIG$ INVESTMENT5� INC.(FORMERLY DORSTAD ADDITION). 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ROLL CALL: Members Present: Scott, Bergman, Harris, Peterson Members Absent: Wahlberg, Lagenfeld Others Present: Patricia Gabel, Vice Chairman of Appeals Commission LeeAnn Sporre, Member of Environmental Quality Commission Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MARCH 3, 1976 Mr. Bergman said the sixth stipulation on page 14 of these minutes read "Review if there was a need to only allow off street parking". He said that this should read " Review on-street parking relative to street widths". MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Scott, that tbe PZanning Commission approve the minutes of the March 3, 2976 meeting as corrected_ Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried ananimously. BECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELQPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: MARCA 9, 1976 Chairman Harris pointed out that these minutes contained this Commission's recommendation on 40' lots, which would be put on the agenda of the Planning Commission as soon as they got the recommendation of the Environmental Quality Commission. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Scott, that the Planning Commission receive the Community DeveZopment Commission minvtes of the meeting of March 9, 1976. Mr. Bergman said he would like to point out some of the highlights of these minutes. He said they had established 5 points of concern in regard to a teen center in Fridley. These were space, time, cost, accessibility, and validity of survey. He said there was a motion made to communica�e with the Human Rtlsources Commission to see if they could obtain a timetable on this reques� by the Youth Project Coimnittee, and table any actiori by the Community Development Commis- sion until this was determined. Mr. Scott said the Youth Committee Project Committee function was to advise the Human Resources Commission, the Planning Commission and the City Council on youth activities. They themselves do not view themselves as an action-type Committee to run a youth center. They just want to�be the means whe�e matters selating to youths are brought to" the attention of the.City. They are not sure that there was a need for the teen center. They are conducting a youth ral.ly on Thursday, March ; 18, 1976 in the Civic Center to determine if the young people in this Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 2 community want a teen center and if they would support it. They have gone out and got some professional assistance-to presexit to the people who attend`this rally, both adults"and`young people, different proposals from different teen centers around the Metropoli- tan Area. This way the young people who attend this rally, if they want a teen center can decide which way they want to go. He said that he would expect the Fridley Youth Project Committee to ul£imately make a recommendation to the City on this proposal, and whether it was feasible or not, rather than they themselves running a teen center. Mr. Scott said the young people would be running this youth rally, and they will permit adnits to attend to listen to what they have to say. However, they have asked that the adults don't say anything unless they know what they are talking about, and they feel that that way, they wouldn't have too much adult participa- tion. They feel that this proposal for a teen center was something new, and they would like to get as many people involved as possible. Mr. Scott said he thought it would be a good thing for adults to attend just to see how the young people conduct themselves. Mr. Bergman said they also passed a motion recommending tQ the Planning Commission that the ordinance be revised to require a public hearing before a business license can be issued in a resi- dential zoned area. He said the Community Aevelopment Commission was open to direction on this matter, and would like the Planning Commission's comments on how they think this should be handled. Mr. Bergman said this motion grew out of a home occupation license being granted with some conflict and concerns by the neighbors, and particularly the surprise to this neighborfiood. Mr. Boardman said he felt there was some misunderstanding by the Community Development Commission. He said there was no license requirement. for a home occupation• He said that none of the businesses in Fridley were licensed. Some of them were.licensed by the State, and we do have some lioenees by activity, such as food, vending or liquor licenses, etc. He said that any activity that met the provisions for a home occupation did not have any review process by the City. He said that if someone wanted to have a beauty shop, for instance, in their home, they can do this without City review, although this requires a State license. They just have to meet the requirements of a home occupation. He said that many people check with the City administration to see if what they want to do in their home meets the home occupation requirements in the Code, but if they know these requirements, there was no reason for the City to become involved under the present ordinance. Mr. Bergman asked then why the man in question did come to City Hall. Mr. Boardman said he just wanted to check on the home occupation requirements, and if his business met these requirements. Mr. Board- man said he thought the proposed business was blown all out of proportion. He said that because Columbia Heights does license business, and had denied him a license, and it was publieized in the Sun, everyone got upset. He said this man had a full time job, and had a small clientele. Mr. Bergman said the City ordinance on home occupations did not=requiie that he contact the administration at all then. Mr. Boardman said this was correct. Mr. Harris said that maybe that particular business should be licensed, and maybe the Community Development Commission should look at that possibility. Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 3 Mr. Boardman said that if it pleased the Planning Cammission he would prefer to have this go ay on� item under the Maintenance Code. We will be talking about business licenses in that section. He said a determination could be made at that time, rather than handling them as two separ6te items. Mr. Scott said he had some reservations about a business license for a home occupation because he thought they were treading on pretty thin ground when they start telling people what they could and could not do in their own home. He said a fellow in his rieighborhood had a photography shop and he said some people could take offense of that. He said he thou�ht this should be handled in:the review process when they dicussed business licenses. UPON a voice vote, aII voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMI5SION MINUTES: MARCH 9, 1976 MOTION by GabeZ, seconded by Scott, that the Planning Commission receive the Appeals Cammission minutes of the March 9, 1976 meeting. Mrs. Gabel said that on the variance request by Mr. Rotter to reduce the front yard setback from 35' to 25' to allow construction of a house at 8100 Ruth Street she would like to qo over some of the points that helped us arrive at our decision-to approve this variance. She said that Mr. Rotter was present at this meeting. First, the terrain drops of€.considerably in the back of the lot, and for hi.m to meet the 35' setback would be economically unfeasible. Second, hs wauld run into the water table if he met the normal setback requirement, because some of the neighbors did comment that sometimes their back yards were flooded, and this could happen on this lot also. Mrs. Gabel said that Mr. Rotter also agreed to put up some type of shoring along the creek to prevent further erosion. 5he said one of the other neighbors has already done this, and Mr. Rotter said he would be willing to work with this neighbor. Mr. Rotter has also aqreed to try to save trees on this wooded lot. Mrs. Gabel said the Appeals Commission felt that the hardships involved on building on this lot were obvious enough to warrant a variance being granted. Chairman Harris said the Planning Commission had received a new administrative report on this request and a letter from a neighbor. He would like a motion to receive these, and then he would read them to the audience. MOTION bg Gabel, seconded by Scott, to receive the admznistrative staff report and the Zetter from Mr. � Mrs. Robert Fritch of SZOI Fairmont Circle. Upon a voice vote, aII voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. A13MINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT 8100 Ruth Street N.E. This report was prepared in response to a request by the Appeals Commission in their blarch 9th, 1976 meetinq consideration of a variance to the 35 foot front yard setback requirement at 8100 Ruth Street N.E. The staff was asked to determine if any governmental Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 5 of a natural creek area or is his only interest building a particular stgle house. Mr. Rotter also stated that the house that he has plans to build would increase the value of the properties around it. Maybe a different plan house that would compliment the natural surroundings of the lot and creek would be just as profi�able to all concerned. If a house is to be built on Lot 4, the 20 foot variance would probably be best in order to maintain the natural sorroundings of the lot and protect the creek area. Mr. & Mrs. Robert Fritch, 8101 Fairmont Circle - Lot 7 owners." Mr. Boardman gave Ghairman Harris another letter that had just been received. MOTION by Gab1e, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the Zetter from Mr. & Mrs. Charles L. Klinefelter, 8145 Ruth Street N.E. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairman Aarris read the letter from Mr. & Mrs. Rlinefslter. " In reviewing the minutes from the Appeals meeting, March 9th, we feel there have been a few points missed. (1) If Mr. Rotter is asking for this variance to build a bigger and better home than the minimum code requires, he has the right to receive that variance. (2) We feel that if the lot is kept at the 35 ft. set- back, whoever owns that property is limited to what he or she could build on it. This means there is a possibility of building a low value home, to meet these codes, which could and would lower the value of the homes around it. A higher value home will not only add tax dollars to our City, but increase the value of the surroundinq homes. (3) If the real reason for opposition of this variance is because someone doesn't want any home built on that lot, for whatever reason he or she may have, we suggest that person should try to buy that property from Mr. Rotter. This would not tie up someone else's money for another's personal reasons. (4) It was noted that some of the people felt there could be an aesthetic problem with a new home on that lot. We believe we already have that problem there, with weeds, trash, beer cans, etc. We hope this (City) Council sees fit to reduce the setback, or whatever it takes, to a11ow this man to build. We believe he has the right to build the home he wants, as long as it stays as close to codes as possible under these unusual circumstances. Thank You." Signed by Chuck & Bonnie Klinefelter. Mr. Robert Venn� 8118 Ruth Street N.E., said his home was next door to the lot in question. He said he felt it would be best to allow the petitioner to obtain a variance to construct this house somewhere ahead of the required 35' setback. He said that he knew the drop of£ from the back yard was extreme. He said that in order to see to it that the neighborhood was maintained in a decent manner in terms of the kind of $tructure that could be built on this lot, he thought the structure should match the neiqhborhood as best it can. He said he would rather see the building farther forward and a nice structure, than to see something with very minimum standards. As far as the placement of this house obstructing the view, he said from his house in any Planning Commission Meeting - March 17,"1876 Page 6 in any direction, if they examined the curvature of the street, and notice the setback on the extreme ends of it, they all stand further forward than what was requested with this variance, so this wasn't a big problem either. He really felt that the petitioner deserves to develop this lot in this manner. Mrs. John Walton, 8066 Ruth Street, said �hat their house was on the other side of the lot in question. She said that at the Appeals Meeting a lot of time was spent on the type of house that Mr. Rotter wanted to constuct on thi5 lot. She said this lot was a peculiar shape and it had peculiar problems. She said that the Appeals Commission discussed whether they had the right to tell a property owner how to develop this property. She said that the Commission was divided on this issue. She said she felt this was a big house that would crowd �he two houses on either side of-"this property. She thought the proposed house would look like a big apartment building with residences on each side. She said that Ruth Street curved right in front of this lot, and the Creek bed took a lot from the back of the lot, so it left a small space that would be buildable. She said that the construction of this large house would destroy the look and feel of the area. Mrs. Walton said she had asked at the Appeals Commission why there was an ordinance which stated that the front yard setback had to be 35'. She said that she was told that it was for parking and aesthetic purposes. She said that Mr. Rotter was claiming that by developing this lot, it would improve the neighborhood, and on the other hand he was saying that aesthetic considerations should not be considered by the Commission. She said she had no objection to Nir. Rotter building on this lot, but she felt that a variance of that degree would be obnoxious, aesthetically. She said that Mr. Rotter bought up a lot of property at one time in this area, and he knew the problems he was buying with this lot. He knew �hat a house couldn`t be built on this lot without a variance. She said that at this point in time she felt that Mr. Rotter was building this la�ge house for self profit and self gain to the detriment of every neighbor in this block and she protested. Mrs. Gerald Carney, 8125 Ruth Street, said that they lived directly across the street from the lo� in question. She said she was told at the Appeals Commission that her feelings didn't count because she objected to this request for personal reasons. We have a smaller rambler type house, and the houses on this side of the street were smaller than the houses across the street. She felt that the type of home that Mr. Rotter wanted to build on this lot would lower the value of our homes because they were not as�p�8�an�ious as the athes homes in the area. Mr. xarris told Mrs. Carney that her opinion counted. Mrs. Gable said she was sorry that Mrs. Carney got the opinion that her feelings didn't count because the Appeals Commission did spend an hour and a half coming to their decision. She said that in regard to this house, it was being built on a 100' lot, and the only variance they had asked for was the front setback, otherwise it did mee� all the other setback requirements of the code. The Appeals Commission didn't feel this house was too large for the size of the lot. Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Paqe 7 Chairman Harris said that he had been over and looked at the lot and he wondered if there was a site plan for this lot. Mr. Boardman presented a drawing made by Mr. Rotter, showing the elevations on the lot and the terrain next to the creek bank. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Rotter how he would shore up the back of this lot. Mr. Rotter said that he would use railroad ties, and it would be a system of terraces done with railroad ties. He said it would be the same system that was used on the adjoining lot. He said the house was so designed that the end.of the garaqe would be closest to the high water table. Mr. Harris asked the lot size. Mr. Boardman said it was 100' by 100'. On looking at the site plan, Mr. Harris said that this proposed house would meet all the other setback requirements except the front setback. Mr. Rotter said this would be a split entry home. Mrs. Sporre asked if by approving this variance so that a building permit could be issued if the City would be liable if there was flood or water damage to this home from the Creek? Chairman Harris said no. Mrs. Sporre said there was a growing danger of floQding because there was 2300 acres in that watershed. Mr. Harris said that from the top of the bank to the normal water level of the Creek was 19'. Mr. Soott asked Mr. Rotter if he had built other homes in this area? Mr. Rotter said he had. Mr. Scott asked the price range of the homes he ha3 built. Mr. Rotter said from $45,00� ta $85,000. Mr. Scott asked if the house he proposed to build would be in that price range? Mr. Rotter said it was comparable to the other houses he had built in the area, somewhere in excess of $50,000. Mr. Scott asked Mr. Rotter if the proposed home would be salable. Mr. Rotter said it would be. Mr. Harris asked if this would be a walk-out. Mr. Rotter said it had to be. Mr. Harris asked if he had thought about any other type of design for this house. Mr. Rotter said this design required the least amount of variance. He said he had asked for a 15' variance, but he wanted to use the least amount of variance as possible. He said he would try to set the house as far back as possible to try and maintain the look of the neighborhood and he would also like to save as many trees as possible. MtlTSON by Gabeln.seconded by 3cott, that the Planning Commission recommend to CounciZ that they concur with the Appeals Commission in the approval of a front gard variance on Lot 4, BZock 3, Bourdeaux`s Spring Brook Addition, the same being 8100 Rvth Street, Mr. Bergman said he read in the Appeals Commission minutes that if this house was built at the Aormal 35' setback that it would involve great expense. He asked Mr. Rotter if he could explain what this meant. Mr. Rottter said this house would cost between $55,000 to $65,000 depending upon.the amount of work he would have to do in the back yard. He said that if he met the setback require- ment he would have to remove six large oak trees, and it would cost $200 a stump to have these removed. He said there wouldn't _ _ _ Planning Commission Meeting - March'17,'1976 Page'8 be any back yard then, and he would have to 5uild a series of decks so that his children would have sameplace to play. Mr. Bergman asked if he had built the homes on Lot 3 and Lot 5. Mr. Rotter said he built the home on T,ot 3 but not Lot 5. He said they had to bring some material in for Lot 3 to bring up the rear yard. Mr. John Walton, the owner of Lot S, said they hadn't ��d any problem with their lot. Mr. Rotter said that Lot 3 looked a lot like lot 4 does now, but it had been shored up with railroad ties and terraced, and he would continue this same shoring on Lot 4. Mr. Bergman said he was trying to determine the feelings of the neighbors. Mrs. Gabel said it seemed like the neighbors were pretty evenly divided as far as being for or against the variance. Mrs. Gabel said that Mr. Rotter had agreed to two stipulations which were to build a retaining wall and to set the house as far back as possible. Chairman Harris said his concern was the bank preservation. He said that if this variance was granted, he thought the staff should pay particular attention to the bank preservation at the time the building permit was issued and during the construction. UPON a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimous2y. Mr. Harris said he had a question on an item that the Appeals Commission did not handle and that was on the blanket variance on the townhouses in Innsbruck Village. Why was that not handled? Mr. Boardman said it was the decision of the City Attorney that under the townhouse ordinance there were no setback require- ments. The townhouses were approved strictly through the town- house plan. Chairman Aarris said he thought the attorney had better read the ordinance. It doesn't say that any place in the townhouse ordinance. He said the front yard setback was 35' in R-3 zoning and the townhouse ordinance was never meant to preclude the zoning ordinance. Mr. Boardman said it was the Gity Attorney's interpretation that the setbacks on a townho.use plan were approved with the plan. Mr. Harris asked if these variances were on a pri"vate road or a public street. Mr. Boardman said they were from a public street. Mr. Harris said then they should meet the setback requirements of a public street in his opinion. He said they could discuss this at the time they considered the townhouse plan for Innsbruck Village. Upon a voice Scott, Bergman, Chairman:Harris he decZared the vote on teceiving-of the Appeals Commission meeting, voting aye,�Peterson,-GabeZ.abst�ining,--Harris, nay, counting the two abstentions as 2 vote for approva2, motion carried. Mrs. Gabel said she felt this variance should have been acted Planning Commission Meeting - Marchil7, 1976 Page 9 upon by the Appeals Commission. Chairman Harris said he voted the way he did because the handling of the variance for these townhouses hadn't been answered to his satisfaction. 1. T FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT --- -- -" -- �'-- ----�_..... o a 10 x 30 bi lboar in M-2 Zoning (heavy industrial areas), to designate the entrance to Plywood Minnesota and Wickes, to replace an existing non-conforming sign, per Fridley City Code, Section 214.042, located on Lot 9, Block 1, Great Northern Industrial Center, the same being 5301 East River Road N.E. Public Hearing open. Mr. Charles Seeger, Wickes Furniture, and Mr. Eugene Aunt, Plywood Minnesota, were present. Mr. Seege,r said they were back where they started. He said he had talked to Tom CalSert, the Assistant City Engineer, and to Paul Ruud of Anoka County, and they would like to have the intersection at 51st Adenue after the Industrial Park was developed. He said this development could be in 5 years, 10 years, or 27 years, who knows?. He said that what he was asking for was for someone to make a motion to allow us to do what we wanted to do in the first place, which was to take the present billlioard and bring it up to the City Code. As he had said before, they would foot the bill for ang other business that came into the area if they wanted their name added to this sign. He said that any time they were requested to take this sign down or':to move the sign due to development or a change in the road, they would be very willing to do this. He said that in the mean time, they just wanted to help people to get to these two business establishments, and first and foremost he wanted them to get there without taking their iives in their hands. Chairman Harris said you couldn't get any help from the County at all then. Mr. Seeger said the help would be about 10 years down the road. He said they didn't want to jeopardize the public or two multi-million dollar businesses until the County qot around to the problem. Mr. Peterson said that he was in complete sympathy with this problem. He said the only problem as he saw it was that if this special use permit was approved for the sign, he didn`.t know if this would take care of a lousy traffic situation. Mr. Seeger said he didn't dispute that this was not the solution to the traffic problem, but this was an interim solution until the City came up with a solution. He said that even i£ the City could solve this problem in 90 days, they would be willing to take this sign down then. Mr. Harris said he wouldn't hold his breath until the City and County came up with a solution, because so far we had got nothing. He said this problem was started at the time this industrial park was platted. He said this was zoned M-2 and at P�anning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 10 the time it was platted it was never intended that we put 5,000 cars a week into an industrial type operation. What we have is two commercial enterprises in an industrial area. Mr. Harris said it had been his hope that we could have put some prassure on the County to solve this problem. MOTION'by Peterson, seconded by Gabel, that the Planning Com- mission close �he Pvblic Hearing on the request foz a Special Use Permit, SP #76=02, by Plywood Minnesota, Inc. Upon a vo�ce vote, a11 voting age, Chairman Harris dealared the Public Hearing cZosed at 9:03 P..M. M�TION bg Peterson, seconded bg Gabel, that the PZanning Commission recommend to Council approval of the reqvest for a Sgecial Use Permit, SP #76-02, by PZywood Minnesota, Inc., to allow the construction of a IO' x 30' billboard in M-2 Zoning (heavy industriaZ areas), to designate the entrance to Plgwood Minnesota and Wickes, per Fridley City Code, Section 214.042, Iocated on Lot 9, B1ock I, Great Northern Industrial Center, the same being 530I East River Road N.fi. with the stipolations that a directionaZ arrow be added to the billboard and that new businesses be incZaded on=this sign, the cost of which being borne by Plywood and Wiekes. Mr. Scott said he was speaking aqainst the motion because essentially what this was, was a traffic problem.and building billboards solves no traffic problem. He said this was a plain and simple billboard that was in violation of the City Code. He said that if you want another non-conforming billboard in the City vote yes to this motion. If you want a traffic sign in this area, vote no to the motion. Mr. Bergman said that he felt the Planning Commission was being asked to bear a greater burden than was applicable. He said he somewhat concurred with Mr. Scott's statements. xe thought the County was being wishy-washy in their responsiblity. He said he sympathized with Plywood Minnesota and Wickes who want to in the best fashion identify their business, but he said he was not sure that this was a City concern, but was a business concern. He said the request for this billboard was in conflict with the City ordinance in two of the eight criteria. He said that for lack of a better solution, the Planning Commission was being asked to recommend approval of a quick and dirty treatment, and he felt sensitive to giving approval to a non-conforming billboard. Mr. Peterson said he would speak in favor of the motion although he did not necessarily disagree with Mr. Scott or Mr. Bergman, but he did think the City had obligations towards its citizens who are tax paying members and who are in this situation that the City allowed when it granted buildinq permits for this area. If the granting of a non-conforming billboard under the stipulation that if something was done to improve the traffic problem that the petitioners would be happy to tear it down, he felt that from that standpoint we did have an obliga£ion to give a good City for our businesses to operate in. Maybe we were being asked to solve problems that we shouldn't, but on the other hand these businesses Planning Commission Meeting - March T7', 1976 Page 11 we=e there, and we as a City have granted the building permits and the development plan that has caused the problem, so in that respect, the City does have an obligation. Mrs. Sporre said the Environmental 4uality Commission has formed an East River Road Project Committee because they under- stand that there are very many problems involved. We are concerned about the aesthetic beauty of East River Road and the problem that Mr. Peterson was addressing. She said they were also concerned about the safety of East River Road, and that was of paramount concern. Traffic problems would be something that the Committee would be addressing, but she understood this was a necessary stop-gap, and therefore she would recommend that the Planning Commissian approve this request because this was something that had to be dealt with because people's lives were at stake. She hoped that the Committee could come up with a better solution in the future. Mrs. Gable said that she agreed with Mrs. Sporre. She said that she personally did not like to see another billboard go up, and a billboard will not solve the big traffic groblem. It does seem that a directional sign would aid people in getting to these businesses. She said that both these businesses pay taxes to the City of Fridley, and they have the right to direct people into theie business, so she was in favor of the motion. Upon a voice vote, Scott and Bergman voting nay, Harris, Peterson and Gabel voting aye, the motion carried. Mr. Seeger said he would continue to work with the City and the County for a better solution, but he thought the Planning Commission had made a wise decision for the present. At least it will keep the patient alive until the doctor gets there. 2. CONTINUED: PUBLIC OF A E IV ADDITIONS, BY DF1KItEL A. FF1RR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: Being a replat of Outlot H, Innsbruck North Addition, generallg located South of Innsbruck North Townhouses, Phase I, II, ana III. Public Hearing Closed. 3. CONTINUED: CONSIDERAT IINITS. T- #76-03, BY D l+f:\�7►lYM[U�f.'11 OF 100 Mr. Darrel Farr and Jim London, along with an attorney, James Drnck, were present. MOTZON by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, that the Plannin9 Commission reopen the Public.Hearing on a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-01, Innsbruck North Tawnhouse IV and V Rdditions. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting age, Chairman Harris declared the Public Hearing reopened at 9:15 P.M. Planning Commission Meeting - March'17, 1976 ka�e 12 Chairman Harris said there were several conceYns that were mentioned at the last Planning Commission meeting, and questions were asked of the Darrel Farr Development Corporation and of the City staff. He said that there was a memorandum from Darrel Farr and the City's answer to that memorandum, plus the answers to questions asked of the City staff that were given to the Planning Commission just prior to this meeting. MOTZON by Peterson, seconded by Scott, that the Pianning Com- mission receive the Darrel Farr Memorandum, plus the memo to Dick Sobiech from Jerrold Boardman dated March 16, 1976. Upon a voice dote, aIl voting aye, the motion carried vnanimously. Chairman Harris said the first concern was that the streets did not meet the City specifications. The Darrel Farr memorandum states on streets: 1. The City of Fridley is the grantee under the road easement from the Fridley line across New Brighton tQ the Silver Lake Road. (Paragraph 3, Page 2, Development Agreement dated February 1, 1971) a. The taxes being paid on the townhouses presently in place in the Black Forest is in the area of $200,000 exclusive of single-family houses. b. It seems reasonable that Fridley should maintain and plow North Innsbruck Drive until such time as the permanentroad is constructed. 2_ The road from the Fridley line to Silver Lake Road was built according to City specifications and with the City's agproval. (Paragraph 4, Page 3, of the Development Agreement.) Chairman Harris said that the City staff's reply to these two items was the following: 1. & 2. The City should not, at this time, take over the maintenance of the road easement from the City line to Silver Lake Road. This ioad is the primary entrance and exit for all construction vehicles and should be the responsi- bility of the developer so long as development is still occurring. Agreements for this maintenance should be drawn up as a stipula- tion for plat approval. At that time when construction is com- plete, and if New Brighton has not firmed up road development in this area, the City could consider take over of the maintenance of this road if the developer would insure that the road is brought up to City standards. Mr. James Druck gave the Planning Commission a copy of the Development Agreement. Chairman Harris said that item 3 under streets in the Darrel Farr memo states: 3. The Development Agreement sets out on Paragraph 5, Page 3, that all streets and utilities in the town- house area shall be approved by the City of Fridley. Mr. Board- man's answer to that was "The streets and ultities in the Townhouse Association property �ave been constructed to spedifications ap- proved by the City. There should be no additional burden to the Association for repair or maintenance over that of a normal resi- dential street. Although the width of the private streets are not necessarily the same as a residential street for public use, they were approved by the City." Number 4 in the Darrel Farr memo states: 4. As regards street repair for construction traffic Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 13 in Addition 4 and 5, the following: a. West Bavarian Pass was designed with future construction traffic in mind and as such is a nine ton road consisting of a 4 1/2" asphalt and a 1 1/2" wear course. b. Although we will be using both West Bavarian Pass and Meister Road for construction traffic, we will, to the best of our ability, restrict heavy vehicles to West Bavarian Pass. c. We will escrow $10,000 at the start of construction with the Homeowner's Association to apply to resurfacing or repair of existing streets. This will be treated as a prepay- ment of fees required of the developer at the rate of $10.75 per month per lot. d. $10,000 should pay for a 2" overlay on Meister Road and West Savarian Pass. e. We will block East Bauarian Pass from the end of the Vienna Townhomes to the Fifth Addition during construction. f. We will patch the asphalt during the construction period and will sweep the streets because of construction mud as needed. This will be done at the developer's expense. 5. The off-street parking in the Fourth and Fifth Addition has been requested by the Ci�y and is shown on the plan. Mr. Boardman's memo in his answer said in regard to number 4. We feel the memorandum covers the Association`s concern on street repair due to construction traffic, and number 5. Off-street parking is acceptable as shown on the plan. Mr. Farr said that in regard to his memo, they had met with the Board of Directors ot the North Townhouse Association last Friday night (March 12, 1976), and we discussed all the street problems in regard to the interior streets in the Association. We did come to verbal agreement with them, and our legal counsel was drafting an agreement that would be signed and executed prior to the City Council meeting of April 12th. Mr. Douglas Van Arkel, �resident of the Townhouse Association confirmed Mr. Farr's statement. Mr. Peterson asked if the negative statements that were made by people in the Townhouse Association had been answered by this memo. Mr. Van Arkel said the Association Was not as concerned as they had been about the interior streets, but they were still concerned about the extension of North Innsbruck Drive between the Fridley line and Silver Lake Road. We still wonder how this problem can be solved. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Farr how much work would be involved in bringing the North Innsbruck Drive extension up to City stanards. Mr. Farr said he didn't know, but it would cost more money than he would want to pay. He said that what the City memo was saying was that the City shouldn't take over the maintenance of this road at this time. Ae said there would have to be some new type of agzee- ment drawn up if he, as the developer, was expected to maintain that extension road at the present time, because his obligation to maintain that road had expired on February 18, 1976. He said that as this road needed repair now, he £elt he was under some obliqation to repair the road at this time. Mr. Peterson said that as Mr. Farr was coming before the Planning Commission and the City Council £or new development in this area, he would be very interested in how the problem of this road being maintained was going to be handled before he had to vote on these proposals. __ _ Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 19'76 Rage 14 Mr. Farr said that he thought a reasonable alternative, and he hadn't discussed it with the City staff, was for us=to maintain the road until such time as we complete construction, which was a concession on our part, and for the City to plow this road in the winter, because he felt this had been the biggest single problem. The equipment that we have to plow the Black Forest was not large enough to do an effective job. The equipment that the Townhouse Association has was not large enough to do the job either. He said th� City already plows North Innsbruck Drive, and for them to plow this additional'1300 feet between the City line and Silver Lake Road seemed a reasonable request, as this road was used by Fridley residents. He said that he was agreeable that they would maintain the road until such time as the construction was completed if the City would plow the road in the winter time. Mr. Bergman said the pot holes in this street extension were getting deeper every day. Mrs. Gabel said she was completely confused on who was supposed to be responsible for this road. Chairman Harris said that was the crux of the problem. Thisstrest seemed to be in limbo at the present time. Mr. Aarris said the Planning Commission had some concerns about the parking for the recreational building. Mr. Farr's memo states: 1. At the time of the planning and zoning, the City did not want to provide a lot of parking in the area of the recre- ational building to preclude the use of the recreation building for things unrelated to the Homeowners Association, i.e., antique sales, etc. 2. We have Drovided parkincj for approximately 27 cars at present. 3. We can provide an additional 20 car parking on the east side of Meister Road and south of the recreation build- ing. a. This parking, because of the topographical conditions, would require the partial filling of the low area east of Meister Road and the destruction of a very large area of trees. We in- tend to leave this decision to the Homeowner's Association. Mr. Harris said the City staff was agreeable to these statements. Mr. London said they had dicussed this with the Townhouse Assn. also, and they will make this decision by April lst. Mr. Van Arkel said that he felt this decision vzas tip to the Townhouse Association and was between them and Mr. Farr. He didn't think this was up to.the City, and they wouldn't be involved in this decision. He said that many people in the Association were not in favor of the destruction of a great number of trees to provide more parking. Mr. Farr said they were prepared to put in an additional 20 parking stalls at the Homeowner's Assocation direction. Mr. Harris said that to back up, he asked Mr. Boardman what was meant in his memo about the maintenance of the extension road between the New Brighton line and Silver Lake Road. Mr. Boardman said �hat in the past, the City had a five year deuelopment agreement with Darrel Farr on the maintenance of this extension. He said the intent of that agreement would that the construction would be entirely completed within these five years, and that by that time a decision would have been made by New Brighton for permanent road location.- This wasn't the way it happened, but P3anning Commission Meeting - Marcn '1T, 1476 Page 15 administration feels that as construction was still going on in the area, it should still be the responsiblity of the developer to maintain this road, and any responsiblity the City might have would be after the construc�ion was completed, if the road devel- opment plan hadn'.t been firmed up by New Brighton at that time. He said the developer would still be using this extension for entraace and eqress during the development of the property. He said that when the developer no longer owns property in this area, then he would then have no responsiblity in maintaininq the road. Mr. Boardman said he didn't belie�e.that'.this extension road had been constructed as a 9 ton road, and he didn't know if any inspec- tions had every been done on it. He said it was put in late in the fall, and by the next spring it was pretty well broken up. Mr. Peterson said that Mr. Farr has stated that he would be willinq to maintain this road during construction, if the City would plow the street, because this had been inadequately done because of the size of the equipment used in this development. He asked Mr. Boardman if he foresaw any problems with this pro- posal-if the road was maintained in�such condition that it could be plowed. Mr. Boardman said this was a decision that would have to be discussed with the Public Works Director and the City Manaqer. Mr. Farr said this road was put in the day after Thanksgiving, and they knew it was going to break up, but they had to have some way for the people to get in an out of the area in the winter time. He said it was resurfaced the following spring. Mr. Jim Lakaszewski, 1536 South Oberlin Circle, said that as far as he could understand, the Darrel Farr's agreement was at an end, and it'� he City of Fi=dley's turn to play the game with this extension. Mr. Boardman said that it was the intent of the agreement that it would be in effect until the construction was completed in this area. Mr. Peterson said that wasn't what the agreement said. He said that most of the City administration that were here in 1971 are still with the City. He said the agreement was signed that this would expire in five years, and now they want to change the rules of the game in the fourth quarter. Mr. Druck said that Mr. Farr did_not have any quarrel about maintaining this road during construction, if in turn the City would agree to plow the street. because of the size of equipment. He said this would only be about 1/4 of a mile, and with all the streets that Fridley plows now, this wouldn't seem like too much of an additional burden. Mr. Harris asked if the Planning Commission wanted to go all through both memos before any additional comments were made. Mr. Peterson said he didn`t-think there was much problem with the rest of the memo. Ae said it seemed that the Homeowner's Assn. was satisfied with Mr. Farr's memo and the City staff was satisfied, and there was agreement on everythinq ex�ept the extension road of North Innsbruck Drive. Mr. Bergman said the North Innsbruck Drive was a fine street, Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 16 up to the Fridley boundary. At that point, it narrows appreciably to a 24' street_which was curbless. He said this street merely follows the natural terrain with hills and vales, including some slippery spots. He said he thought the bottom slope carried water across it, instead of being raised and having a culvert running under the road. He said there was quite an amount of pedestriari traffic with no place to ealk except along the edge of this curbless street which was presently poorly plowed. He said that the statement in`the staff inemo on this extension could mean that any actual improvement on this street could be ten years away. He said that with the increased density that will occur with the completion of this density will make this problem get worse fnstead of better. He said he was concerned because we were discussing stop gap measures instead of addressing the real problem. Mr. Aarris asked if it was the intent that at some time in the future to have this road connect to Palmer Drive? Mr. London said it was. He said �he road would then start to curve riqht at the end of the improved North Innsbruck Drive, and then around the gravel pit where it would tie into Palmer Drive. � Mr. Peterson asked if the easement had already been given for this proposed road. Mr. London said that at the time this road proposal was approved, they owned that property, but he didn't think there was an easement now. Mr. Boardman said that road pattern would be worked out when the property was developed in New Brighton. Mr. Peterson said then the only property that was under the control of Fridley was the qranted easement for the extension of North Innsbruck Drive to Silver Lake Road, so that's what they should be concerned with and not pie in the sky at some peziod in time that could be quite far into the future. Mr. Farr said that at the time these developments were planned in Fridley, they had also planned 1,000 units in New Brighton. The traffic study they had done, using the new street proposals did show that this area would not have any traffic problems with that street plan. He said that if he still owned the,property in New Brighton, he would hurry up and build this road. He did feel that if the extension road was really maintained, that people wouldn't be quite so upset with this road.- Mrs. B. J. Ewers, said that she felt this 24' street was too narrow for two cars to pass now, and she didn't care �hat any traffic study said, she felt there had to'be an answer to the traf#ic problem that existed today. Mr. Stephen Tollison, 5538 Meister Road, said there was a question raised at the last meeting about the people in the townhouses paying the same taxes as people who live on public roads and have their streets maintained and plowed, as opposed to people who have private roads, and bear all these costs themselves. Mr:-Boardman said that taxation was based solely on va2uation of property, and not on services provided. (Several people in the audience took exception to this statement and said it was contrary to what they had been told by the Asssessor). Planning Co�nission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page '17 Mr. Harris then proceeded to read all the answers in the staff inemo which had been directed to them at the last meeting. 1. The street specification is answered under I(3) of the memorandum. To date there has been no parking problem related to emergency vehicle operation that we are aware of in the Association property. If this does become the case, it is anticipated that 'no parking; signs could be located where needed. 2. Taxation is based solely on valuation of property, and not on services provided. The City will not take over the maintenance of the streets in the Townhouse Association. The roads do not meet right of way, setback and width requirennents for public streets and any take over would set a precedence for the maintenance for other private developments. 3. The City of New Brighton will not take any positive action on road construction until the property is developed. They have been granted a State Aid connection when final location is decided upon. Mr. Terry Wiley, 5571 East Bavarian Pass, said that as none of their taxes were going towards the maintenance or plowing of their streets, then he thought it'$houls go towards givi,ng them a decent road to Silver Lake Road. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Besgman, that the Planning Commission close the public hearing on the consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-01, Innsbruck North Tawnhoose IV and V Additions, by Darrel A. Farr DeveZopment Corporation. Upon a voice vote, aI1 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 10:I5 P:M. Mr. Bergman said he thought they were involved in a step by step process here and what he thought should be step one would be to eliminate the hazards on the extension of North Innsbruck Drive. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Gabe1, that the Planning Commission request the Citg Council to pass a re5olution that the City adminis- tration get together with the Darrel Farr Development Corporation and physically view the extension of North Innsbruck Drive up to Silver Lake Road, and establish an agreement for immediate correction of the pzesent surface hazards. Mr. Peterson said that he spoke in favor of the motion, but he had some questions and one of the questions he had was what was fair for the Darrel Earr Corporation because he felt that he had come to this meeting with a good proposal, and he had tried to be agreeable. He said he was sure that Mr. Farr had no objection to meeting with the City in terms of looking at the road and in establishing what should be"done, but he has said that he would be willing to pay to repair the road. He said that before we make a motion like this, he thought some assurance should be given to Mr. Farr that we concur with his request for development. Mr. Bergman explained his motion, and said he wasn't too concerned on who fixed this road, just so that it got done. He said that if Darrel Farr didn't want to fix the road without assurance that his proposal would be approved, then he thought the City should fix the Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 18 pot holes. Mr. Boardman said that he didn't know if the City administration could take some action on this without Council action, and the next Council meeting was April 5th. He said a resolution took Council action, it wasn't a decision that could be made by the administration. Mr. Farr said that if they could get asphalt they would patch that road right away. Mr. Bergman said he would appreciate that. Mr. Harris said then there was no need for a resolution to have the City go out and patch the road. Mr. Bergman said that on the basis that Darre2 Farr would patch the pot ho2es, he would WITHDRAW HIS MOTION. Mrs. Gabe1 withdrew her second. Mrs. Sporre asked who was going to plow the snow. Mr. Bergman said when he made the first motion, he knew there were many other problems to be addressed. Mr. Bergman said he didn't think the question of the extension of North Innsbruck Drive had been answered as had been requested at the last meeting. Mr. Boardman said he thought that it had. He said there were two positions on this street, the City administ�a-' tion's and Darrel Farr's. Ae said the Planning Commission should make a recommendation on how this conflict could be resolved, but it was a Council decision. He said there would have to be a new agreement worked out on this North Innsbruck Drive extension. He said that City administration could not say how it was going to be handled. It was not their decision to make. Mr. Bergman said that it seemed that if a developer says a street was going to be public, then it had to meet certain guidelines, but if a developer says a street was going to be private, then it was no longer treated with the same guidelines or r-equirements, and he couldn't understand why this should be. Mr. Boardman said that the streets in a private development have to meet specifications approved by the City. When we talk about City specifications for streets in public areas we are talking about the required street width, the right of ways and setback requirements, He said there was a public responsibility the City had on public roads. Streets in a private area were no longer a public responsiblity was no longer in effect at the City level. This was the reason why although we approve the specifications for the construction of the roads as to mat and base, the street widths can vary for a private development. Mr. Scott said he thought it shouid have been outlined clearly what streets were the responsiblity of the City, what streets were the responsiblity of the developer, and what streets were the responsiblity of the Townhouse Association. He said he felt that the extension road from the Fridley line to Silver Lake Road had been badly bungled by the City, and because they had bungled in in putting a five year agreement on the maintenance of this road which has now expired and the development of the area was not completed, he felt it was the City's responsiblity to see that Fridley residents had a safe exit and entrance to North Innsbruck Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 19 Drive, and hopefully the City would take care not to get caught again in this type of nonsense. MOTION by Scott, seconded by Bergman, that a recess be declared. Upon a voice vote, all votin9 aye, Chairman Harris declared a recess at I0:35 P.M. Chairman Harris reconvened the Planning Commission meeting at 10:59 P.M. Mr. Terry Wiley, 5571 East Bavarian Pass, voiced his concerns about the problems on the 24' streets during the construction of the townhouses in this plat. Mr. Harris said it had just been called to his attention that the Public Hearing had been closed on Innsbruck North Townhouse IV and V Additions, and there were people who wanted to discuss problems in the Sth Addition, so this public hearing should be reopened. MOTIQ� by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission reopen the Pvblic Hearing foz the consideration of a pre2iminary pZat, Innsbruck North Tawnhouse V Addition, by Darrel Farr, part of P,S. #76-01. Upon a voice vote, a1Z voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the Public Hearing open at I0:52 P.h1. Mr. Wiley said there were items mentioned at the last meeting that hadn't been discussed at this meeting. He said that it was stated that East Bavarian Pass would be closed during construction of the approximate number of 50 townhouses in this area. He said that after the construction was completed, and the people £rom these 50 townhouses start using East Bavarian Pass, it was going to create a problem. He said it was very difficult to back out of garages on East Bavarian Pass because there were usually people waiting to get on to Meister Road. He said he felt there should be a second exit for this area. Mr. Harris asked Mr. London if there was anything that could be done to eliminate the bottleneck to Meister Road? Mr. London said that East Bavarian Pass had been approved at the time of the Vienna Townhouse proposal. He said that the reason the two garages 50' from Meister Road were set so close to this road was because of the topography of the area. Mr. Boardman said the Southern exit off East Bavarian Pass was quite steep, and if this exit wasn't so steep, some of the traffic could go this way to Meister Road. He said the City would like to see two good exits from East Bauarian Pass. Mr. Wiley asked if there couldn't be another access that would join up with the service drive £or the Heritage of Innsbruck Nursing Home? Mr. London said the problem with trying to have an access in this location was that we would be talking about another extension that went into New Briqhton, and as there weren't any road patterns established in this area in New Brighton it wouldn't be a solution now, but ultimately there could be an Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 20 access at that point. Mr. London said the IV and V Additions would be annexed by the present Townhouse Association, with all private roads. MOTION by Scott, seconded by Peterson, that the PZanning Commission close the Public Hearing on Innsbruck North Townhouse V Addition, Hy Darrel Farr Development Corporaton. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the Pub2ic Hearing closed at 11:05 P.M. Mr. Peterson asked if there was any way that the 24' road that was the extension of North Innsbruck Drive could be widened. Could the City obtain a larger easement so this could be widened to at least 36 feet? Mr. London said the City had a 66' easement for this road. Mr. Peterson said they had been under the impression that this was only a 24' easement. He said that this made a lot of difference because there was room to widen this street and even put in sidewalks. Mr. Peterson raised a point of information, and asked Chairman Harris what action they could take on this plat. Mr. Harris said they could recommend approval of the plat with stipulations, or they could make a recommendation for a resolution on particular problems. Mr. Peterson said he was still in sympathy with Mr. Farr in developing this plat, but because of the discussion we have had on the 1500 feet of unsafe road, and the fact that we now find that the City has a 66 ft. easement for this road, he would like to see. some type o£ resolution that would express the concern of the Planning Commission to the City Council on behalf"of the citizenry, and that we would like to see a street put in on that eas�ment that would meet all the City specifications for a public street, that could be a shared cost of the City and the developer, or by an agreement that could be worked out with the developer, so that we don't have this continuing problem. Chairman Harris said this could be handled as a separate item, but for himself, he would like to study this 1500 feet further, and he didn't think he wanted to see the approval of this plat held up, while this road problem was being studied. He felt this road affected the entire area, and should be handled separate from the plat. Mr. Peterson said that his problem was that he approved of the plat, but he couldn't vote in favor of it, when there wasn't an adequate road to get the people in and out. Mrs: Sporre said there should be some assurance given to the people who would be buying these townhouses, that there was an adequate road to provide fire protection also. Mr. Harris said he agreed, but this was such a large and important issue, he thought the road problem needed more time spent on it. Mr. Peterson said he would like to make a motion to approve the plat, and make one of the stipulations that their be a;solution to the 1500 feet of road in New Brighton within a certain time frame. Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 21 MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Scott, that the PZanning Commission recommend to Council approval of the proposed plats, P.S. #76-01, Innsbrack North Tawnhovse IU and V Additions, b� Darrel A. Farr Development Coiporation, being a repZat of Out2ot H, Innsbrack North Addition, generally 2ocated South of Innsbruck North Townhouses, Phase I, II, and III, with the foZlowing stipulations: I. Provide easement for public trail adjacent to neighborhood park. 2. P1an specifications for streets and utilities are to be submitted to the City for approval. 3. Off-street parking of 4.25 stalZs per unit be provided on fhoseunits fronting the 24' streets. 4 spaces shall be provided with each individval vnit, the additional spaces shou2d be provided in c2ose proximity to the affected units. 4. Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation wi21 provide recordable ZegaI docomentation notifying purchaser that there wiZl be no noise buffer provided from inter- state traffic noise. 5. Trai2 development and traiZ lighting will be campZeted with Iandscaping of adjacent units. 6. One tennis court wi11 be provided on Association psoperty and wiZZ be completed with the comp2etion of construction of the first 20 anits in Phase IV. 7. One tot Iot wiZl be provided on Association property in Innsbruck North Townhouse IV and V Additions with the completion of the first 20 units in Phase V. 8. City will require a standard performance bond for exterior development (paths, Zighting, tennis court and tot lot) of 50� of the anticipated cost.� 9. That within one month, the City administration and the Dazrel Farr Development Corporation present a proposal to the PZanning Commission for a solution to the I500' extension of Aorth Innsbruck Drive to Si2ver Lake Road. (As any proposaZ for this extension woald have to be at the City Council`s direction, this one month time period would have to be from Apri1 5, 1976 (Hoancil meeting) to May 5, I976 (Planning Commission meeting). UPON a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimous2y. Mr. Boardman said the intent of the 9th stipulation was that this proposal come back to the Planning Commission for aqtion at that time. Mr. Peterson said that was the intent of this stipulation. Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 22 Mr. Boardman said the units which would be built in units of two were basically the same as the �ownhouses that had been developed in Phase I, II, and III. Mr. London said there wou�d be basically two types of buildings in.the 4th and 5th Additions. He said one plan would be to have the two units separate and connected by a garage. This type of building would £it on land that sloped up from the street. He said where the two buildings were joined together would be where the land sloped down from the street, and would be generally the walk-out type. Mr. Scott asked the price range of the townhouses in these plats. Mr. London said they would be in the $40,000 to $50,000 price ranqe. Mr. London said these plans have been taken to the North Innsbruck Townhouse Association, the Architectural Control Committee, and we qot a lot of recommendations from them which have been incorporated into the plans for the new development. We did get the approval of this Committee. Mr. Boardman said the staff felt that the designs of the townhouses in these plats were compatible with the existinq units. Mr. Farr said the revised figures for these tawnhouses would make the cost from $45,000 to $60,000. He said the units were expandable, and could be as large as 5 bedrooms. He said the biggest unit had 2240 square feet and the smallest unit was about 1400 square feet. Mr. Boardman said these were not the structural.plans. They would be submitted at the time building permits were requested. Mr. Scott said he had some concerns about the limited range of the costs of these units. It tends to gravitate towards one specific group. He said that the Human Resources Commission felt �hat with innovative designs they could provide for more variety to pro�ide for a broader range of income levels. Mr. Farr read from a 1974 study by the Metropolitan Council on Planned Unit Developments (PUA). He said this was on housing costs. He read""It was difficult to ' single out one or two of the highest priced PUD's, but one would be the townhouses at Cedarview with a top price of $65,000=and the single family homes of Innsbruck North which may sell for up to $80,000 or more. Developments having a diversity of price would include Briarwood, Innsbruck North, Shellview, and Eagle Lake. The condominium's of B�iarwood in Golden Valley sell for from $15,900 to 24,400. The Innsbruck North Apa��ment� �11 rent for $149 to $208 a month. A townhouse may be purchased for as little as $32,6Q0 and a single family detached house may be purchased in the range of $50,000 to $80,000." Mr: Scott asked if what Mr. Farr had read pertained to what had been developed, or if it included what Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 23 was being proposed in this plat, and would what was in the_: - same townhouse association be considered as one Planned Unit Development. � Mr. Boardman said that the Planned Unit Development was all of Innsbruck that Mr. Farr developed. The preliminary planned development that was apprraved by the City included the single family area, the townhouse are�, and the apartment area. This has been c�ns_f�ncted in phases, but it was all one planned development. He said he didn't think you could judge this by just one part of this development. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission recommend to Coancil approval of a townhouse development of I00 units, T-#76-02, bq Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, for Innsbruck North Townhouse IV and V Additions. �- Mr. Berman said that he felt that in the context of the total plan, that there was a very broad price range in this development. Mr. Scott said that when he looked at the total development he saw pockets of this group living here, and another group living there, each group being of a certain income range. He said that in his opinion this was stereotyped planning, and he could see this developing the same as one group on one side of the tracks and another group on the other side of the tracks. He said he would like to see a broader range of housing for a larger range of income groups. Mr. Farr said that this development covered 60 acres, and he thought that in those 60 acres this development did meet that criteria, and this was a fully integrated community. He said that in the same article he had read from before, it cites Innsbruck North as a fully integrated development as to styles of housing, and price range. Mrs. Sporre said she felt this whole development offered a variety of life styles. She said that people who bought into a townhouse development were buying into an exclusion area, and did so because they wanted to be in a private area. She thought this fit into the housing plan, because it did meet the needs of people who wanted a different life style, and Fridley should be proud that they can offer such a development. OPON a voice vote, Bergman, Harris and Peterson voting aye, Gabel abstaining, and Scott voEing nay, the motion carried. 4. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY 1� C��J �. R/ V- V G� 11\L\JY(�VV1� V lLLAVJJ / LJ1 YAl\t\YL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: Being a replat of Outlot B., Innsbru Plorth Addition, along with Lot 49, except the Westerly 210' of Auditor's Subdivision No. 92, generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive and West of the Black Forest Apartment. Public Hearing closed. Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 24 5. CONTINUED: CONSIDERATION OF A TOWNHOUSE 100 UNITS. T-#76-02, BY DARREL A. FARR MOTION by Peterson, seconded bg Bergman, that the Planning Commission reopen the Public Xearing on�the consideration of a preliminary Plat, P.S. #76-02, Innsbruck Village, by Darrel A. Farr DeveSopment Corporation_ Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 11:45 P.M. Mr. Boardman said it was proposed to construct 25 4 unit townhouses on this plat. He said the preliminary approval for this phase of the Innsbruck development was for a 251 unit apartment complex to be constructed in this area, so instead of having 251 units in this area, there will be 100 units. There are HUD monies involved in the development so West Bavarian Road will be a public street with a 50' right of way which will be a connecting street between Arthur Street and North Irinsbruck Drive. The spur roads in the development will be private streets, and this will have a separate Townhouse Association. Chairman Harris said this was the plat where there were structures too close to the the street, and where they had requested a blanket variance. Mr. Boardman said the City Attorney has said that any variances needed were subject to approval with the approval of the townhouse development, and whether the Planning Commission agrees with his interpretation that this didn't have to be heard by the Appeals Commission was up to them. He said that :now�ere in the townhouse ordinance does it mention setback requirements. Mr. Harris said this property was zoned R-3, and he felt they had to meet the R-3 requirements on a public street. Mr. Boardman said that under the townhouse ordinance reguirements, that this was the only time in our ordinances that there had to be both a plat approval and a plan approval. Mr. Boardman said he felt that this was the basis of the City Attorney's ruling. (Mr. Boardman and Mrs. Gabel both thought there had been requests for variances in other townhouse developments but a search was made through all townhouse data, and there was no record of any variances going through the Appeals Commission.) Mrs. Sporre asked Mr. Boardman where this development did not meet the R-3 requirements. Mr. Boardman said the only require- ment they didn't meet was the setback from public right of way. The area requirements are met, the open space requirements are met. He said the City Attorney has interpreted the townhouse ordinance that any area requirements, open space requirements, and setback requirements be part of the approval of the townhouse development, and this included any variances needed. Mrs. Sporre asked what variances they were being asked to approve in this townhouse plan? Mr. Boardman said it was the 35' setback from public right of way. They were asking for a blanket variance from 35' to 0' for the garage of some of the units. He said there was 7' from the curb to the property line. Mr: Boardman said the garage doors would not face the street. Planning Commiss�on Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 25 Mr. Peterson said that if he remembered correctly, the reason for the placement of the units as was presented was because of the topagraphy. Mr.�Boardman said there was a high ridge that pushed these units claser to the street. Mr. Scott said that as part of the A-95 review process the Human Resources Commission was to conduct a hearing on this application. Rather than have another public hearing, the minutes of this meeting will be part of that review. He said the A-95 review was a separate action. Mr. Farr said they had a model of the development, which he thought would answer a lot of questions that wer�ermane to this development. He said that if a greater setback was required, it would have a diverse effect on this development. Mr. Harris said that he wasn't even considering the pros and cons of the variances. He was more concerned with the procedure they were following to grant the groposed variance. He felt they were circumventing the zoning code. Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Farr to state the hardships involved in this variance requsst. Mr. Farr said the hardship was the cost consideration, and whether that would be classified as a hardship, he didn't know. We want to keep these particular town- houges as 3ow priced as possible. We are looking for young married couples. The size of the units vary between 800 to 900 square feet. We would like to keep the price of these units in the mid $30,000. To do this, one of the considerations was to provide F.H.A. fi- nancing, because the amoritization was greater and the down payment was less. In order to get F.H.A. financing, and because West Bavarian Pass connects to two public streets, North Innsbruck Drive and Arthur Street, they have required that this street be a public street. He said those were the hardships that prevail. He said that by making West Bavarian Pass a public street and adhering to the 35' setback, the.deaelopYtent would not be viable. He said we would have to go to Plan B, and not have th.is as a public street, but go back to a private street, and this would have to be financed conventionally, or do something else. By making the street wider, as you can see by the model, we would be destroying a substantial part of the site. We would be destroy- ing trees, we would have to cha� the existing topography sub- stantially. The units are designed to fit into a hill. They all go up. We have tried to preserve publ�c areas.- The drive side and garage side are public areas, and the pedestrian areas axe private areas. He said that as they widened West Bavarian Pass we had to push the units together, so that we could develop a continuity of flow of the green areas. He said that instead of having 300' to 400' between units, we have 100' or 7Q" less than that. He said they thought about the setbacks a great deal when they designed the units. He said that he felt that one of the reasons for this setback was to allow stacking of cars in front of a garage. All of the garages in this entire development eere structured so that the cars drive into the side of the garage. The side facing the street was a finished wall. There were no qarage doors facing the street. Each drive way was an L shaped _ __ Planning Commission Meeting - 3�tarch"T7, T976 Page 26 drive.- He said the only structures that would fall within the normal setback line are the garages. The units themselves would be 40' back from the property line, so he didn't think this would cause any visual blight, because the garages were relatively small structures when compared to the units themselves. He said these were the basic reasons for asking for a variance, or whatever it is. Mr. R. M. Rumpsa, 1481 North Innsbruck Drive, said that when the single homes were developed, they had to meet covenants that were established by the Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Now, when Mr. Farr wants to put in another development, it seems that this has come around about 1S0°, because this development doesn't even meet the setback requirements. He said that when he bought his lot, he knew there was supposed to be an apartment complex on this site, and he wasn` t so sure that that wouldn't be still the best idea for this site. He said that by putting homes in the $33,000 to $39,000 range, that he Eelt that in 10 years, this would be a hell hole. Mrs. Sporre asked Mr. Farr if he knew of any other Y.eGrnhouse development where the garages were set so close to the street. Mr. Farr said that in most townhouse developments the garages were quite close to the street. Mrs. Sporre asked about public streets. Mr, Farr said that the only townhouse development that he knew of that had all public streets was in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Mr. Harris asked how wide West Bavarian Pass was going to be. Mr. Boardman said there was a 50' right of way, and the street would be 31'. Mr. Aarris said he didn't think they should be allowed to have a 31' street because all the other residential streets in Fridley were 36'. Mr. Boardman said the F.A.A. requirement was a 30` street, and that there were just as many 31' residential streets in Fridley as 36' wide streets. Mr. Harris said that he felt that any curved street should be a minimum of 36'. He said he lived on Riverview Terrace which was a 36' curved street, so he knew the problems. Mr. Scott said he understood that the townhouses in this plat would be a separate Townhouse Association. Mr. Farr said that was correct. Mr. Scott said he could see problems in the maintenance of this area, because people in this price range of homes wouldn't be able to maintain the area. Mr. Bergman said he wouldn't be able to vote in favor of this development because of the setback problems. He said he knew we were talking about setback problems versus nature, existing terrain, savinq trees, etc. He said he knew everyone was in favor of saving trees, but they also wanted to see a reasonable amount of the setback requirements met. He said that with this street being 31' and the location of the garages, that he would feel like he was driving down an alley, which he felt was not the intent of having a publio street. He said a variance request from 35' to 0' does not recognize the setback requirement at all. Mr. Peterson said he felt very uncomfortable because the Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 27 Appeals Commission didn't debate this issue at their last meeting. He asked Mrs. Gabel why this wasn't done. Mrs. Gabel said that when this came to the Appeals Commission they were told the City Attorney's interpretation, and we were told we did not have to act on the variance request. Mr. Bergman said he didn't think they should get all hung up on procedure. If someone says we oan approve or disapprove the plan, he would be willing to do that, considering the setback as part of the plan. Mrs. Gabel said she couldn't agree with Mr. Farr that a garage placed 7 feet from the street wouldn't be a visual blight, and she also felt that this would be a traffic hazard. Mr. Boardman said that a11 the garages weren't at the 0' setback. He said that instead of going through the variance procedure on every garage, they just asked for a blanket variance. He said that in most cases the garages were setback at least 5' from the property line, and in other cases, it was a greater distance than that,: but the actual request was for a blanket variance. Mr. Harris asked if there was going to be concrete curb and gutter on the public street of West Bavarian Pass. Mr. Boardman said there would be. Mr. Harris said the street would be built to City specification of 4" base and 2 1/2° mat. Mr. Boardman said it would. Mr. Harris asked if on-street parking would be allowed on �bis street. Mr. Boardman said it would be allowed. Mr. Harris said that assuming that a driving lane was 8', which would be tight, because normally they were 12', and with traffic in both directions, that would be 16', which would leave 15' for parking. Mr. Boardman said there will be two parking spaces provided for each unit. Mr. Berqman said that in the entire North Innsbruck area, this site has b�en chosen for townhouses for people of lower income families, and it seemed to him that lower income people didn't get setbacks and did get narsow streets. Mr. Scott asked if there was a difference in the tax structure for a detached and attached garage. Mr. Boardman said he couldn't answer that question. (Note: City Assessing office said that there was no difference in the trax structure.) Mr. Earr said that he thought this townhouse development incorporated as many good planning features as he had ever seen in a plan. He again quoted from the Metropolitan Council report. " The Respect for Topography in�Shaping Development: �he housing can be huilt around the natural land features, ecologically important bodies of water, marsh, woodlands, steep slopes, can remain in their natural state. In an area of gentle slopes,or terrace: townhouses may be built to advantage. Narrow Curbed or Dead-end �esidential Streets; Planned Unit Developments can be flexible in their use of roadways unlike the conventional grid or�cu�ved - Planninq Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 28 linear street patterns in traditional housing developments. Residential privacy and safety mag be enhanced by streets that are designed for minimum traffic and reduced speed. Narrow streets cover less valuable land as well as inhibiting heavy high speed traffic, as well as improve the appearance of the neighborhood." Mr. Farr-said these units in this development were not closer together than the units in other townhouse additions. The fact that the setbacks were wrong because this was designed for lower income people was not correct because the distance from garage to garage tQ;street was closer in the other townhouse developments, where we were talking in a price range of $45,000 to $60,OOQ. He said that if the public street was goinq to be a problem, then he guessed that they didn't need a public street. Mr. Aarris said there were some things that went with a public street that weren't requirements with a private street. Mr. Peterson said this could eliminate some people from being able to purchase a townhouse in this area, if this went to a private street, because then this development wouldn't meet the F.H.A. requirement. Mr. Farr said they felt that it would eliminate F.A.A. financing. Mr. Farr said he would like to read one more paraqraph from the Metropolitan Council report. "Providing diversity of costs within Planned Unit Developments was perhaps one of the more important goals to be eventually met. Public attention should be directed to devel.op flexible public programs tha�_��13 enable a variety of housing types and costs to be �increased within Planned Unit Developments. The Metropolitan Council will be watching the housing trends in this respect and will continue to explore various means by which the goal of increased diversity of housing costs �_ may be met in PUD's." Mr. Farr said he understood that the City had ordinances, and that they had to live with them. He said that he didn't believe in Metropolitan government, but he firmly believed that Metropolitan government was making tremendous inroads into local government, and this may be because of the inflexibility of some of the local ordinances. He said this may be far afield from what he was addressing here, but he said that ordinances were made by people, and people can change them, and he believed there should be more flexibility in 2oca1 government. He said that all the considerations the Planning Commission had brought out were valid. Someone who couldn't see around the corner, s�ow removaZ, street repair, emergency vehicles access, they were all very valid, and he appreciated all those concerns. He wasn't sure that this project as it was designed, did not provide for all these things. Mrs. Sporre said just to point out that we didn't live in the dark ages in Fridley, the Environmental Quality Commission had as a goal to fos�tr and promote innovative designs and she understood br. Farr's attempt to preserve the contours and retain as much as you can of a beautiful site. Mrs. Sporre said that she couldn't make a motion, but she would like to have this Planning Commission Meeting - March.'17p 1976 Page 29 sent to the Environmental Quality Commission to review the benefits of the plan_as far as environmental concerns, and it might help in the final decision. Mr. Scott said that he agreed with Mr. Farr as to local government sometimes being inflexible. Ae said that he him�elf was an advocate of this. He said that as far as PUD developments he didn't feel that there was adequate basis to drawn conclusions from. Ae said that if the Metropolitan Council and HUD thought that they could sit in St. Paul and make these kind of decisions, they wouldn't be sending it to a small Commission such as the Human Resources Commission for part o£ the A-95 review. They have asked us to review these proposals to see if they were consistent with what the intention of the program was. He said that both HUD and Metropolitan Council have said that you don't concentrate low income people, because they have had disastrous results. He said that he felt with only a$6,000 difference in price range for these units, that there could be serious probiems. Mr. Scott said that what they were looking at he didn't feel was a PUD. Mr. Farr said that was just part o£ the development, and the entire concept of Innsbruck was a PUD, even if that wasn't the term applied to it. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Farr if it would be possible to widen West Bavarian Pass to 36'? Mr. Farr said he didn't feel that this was necessary. The regulations for F.H.A, only require a 30' street, but if the City felt it was necessary, it was probably something that they could do. Mr. Harris said that curved streets were a problem, and he felt that this street should be 36' wide. Mr. Farr said that with the design of this development, a 36` street might be to their advantage. Mrs. Gabel asked how far back of the garaqes were the h4mes located. Mr. Farr said it was about 30 feet. Mrs. Gabel asked if they couldn't be moved back farther from the street? Mr. Farr said it was pretty hard to tell from a piece of paper, but the topography of the area makes it very difficult. He said that all the trees were located on the slopes. Chairman Harris asked everyone to look at the model, and maybe someone could come up with an idea for this site. Mr. Farr explained the topography and the placement o£ the units. He said that some of the units were designed all on one level, for what he called "empty nest" people, people who have raised their families and were again alone, and wanted a smaller place to take care of. Mr. Farr said he had put in more work on this site, than any of the other sites he had developed. He said they had been working on a plan for this site since August of 1975. Mr. Scott said he didn't see anywhere on this development where there was recreation provided for younq people. Mr. Farr said this land was adjacent to the City park to the North and there was a tot lot provided.to the East by the Black Forest Apartment. He said they would be constructing two tennis courts in the City Park, and there was a tot lot adjacent to this site across North Innsbruck Drive. Mr. Scott said that small children Planning Commission Meeting -�arch 17, 1976 Paqe 30 would not walk two blocks to a park. He said that as this site was expected to be attractive to young people, he didn't feel that there wer� adequate facilities for young people. Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Farr if he would consider some of the elements in this proposed plat. His particular concerns wera the lack of setback and the street width, and parking, and he was wondering if Mr. Farr was willinq to consider a compromise on the setback requirement. Mr. Farr said that any movement of the units would have an adverse effect on the wooded areas and he wondered what type of compromise he had in mind. Mr. Berqman said he would rather vary the setback from 35' to 20' rather than the 0'.. He said this was his personal opinion, but due to the hardships of the site, he felt this was a resonable compromise. Mr. Berqman said the other alternative was for Mr. Farr to request a recommendation on the plat as it has been presented. Mr. Farr said that he could not economically reduce the density Ln this plat. He said he had a lot of money in this land. He said it was zoned and planned for a 251 unit apartment building. He said that he really didn't want to build a 251 unit. apartment building and he was not saying that if they didn't approve this, he was going to build a 251 unit apartment building. He said that he felt this plan filled a needed gap in our housing mix in that part of the world, and he honestly believed that this plan was as well thought out as any plan he had�come across, and he was sayinq that in all sincerity. Mr. Rumpsa and another property owner from the single family homes said they wonld rather see a 251 unit apartment on this site. MOTION by Scott, seconded bg Peterson, that the Planning Commission c2ose the Pubiic Xearing on consideration of a pre- liminary plat, P.S. #76-02, Innsbruck Vi2lage, by Darrel A, Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the Palhlic Heai�gg c2osed at 12:55 P.M. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Ga3�e1, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council denial of the proposed piat, P.S. #76-02, Innsbruck Vil2age, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, being a replat of Outlot B, Innsbruck North Addition, along with Lot 49, Auditor's Subdivision No. 92, genera2ly Iocated North of North Innsbruck Drive N.S. and West of the Black Forest Apart- m'ent, primarilg because of the Zack of setback from the public street. Mrs. Sporre asked why they had made a motion for denial. She felt it should have been tabled, and the problems resolved. Mr. Bergman said that his personal view was that this�iaa5 the pxoper,action at this time. Mrs. Sporre said that a motion for denial closes the door. Mr. Scott said that it closed the door on this plan. Mr. Boardman said no, it closes the door.for any plan for six months. Mrs. Sporre said she thought this plan should be studied in further depth. She said that the Environmental Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 31 Quality Commission hadn't even looked at this plan yet. She said that M� Farr's claim.that they.had made an eloquent attempt to save, preserve and utilize the site to its fullest potential,:Aad she realized they had used the lowlands for the road, and have classified high lands as better, and she had some problems with that, but she felt that the Environmental Quality Commission could work with Mr. Farr and develop this into the kind of a plan Mr. Farr would like to have, and she would like to see him have the opportunity. She said this plan was implementing one of the goals of her Commission which was to use innovative designs to utilize a site to its best potential. Mrs. Gabel said she was not aware that a motion for denial would mean that Mr. Farr could not come back with any plan for this site for six months when she seconded the motion. She said she would like to withdraw her second to the motion, because she would like Mr. Farr to have the opportunity to present a better pZan. Mr. Scott questioned whether the second could be withdrawn. He said a motion to table would supercede the motion for denial and he would make such a motion. MOTION by Scott, seconded by Peterson, that the P1anning Commission table the consideration of a preliminary p2at, P.S. #76-02, Innsbruck Village, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corpor- ation, being a replat of Outlot B, Innsbruck North Addition, along with Lot 49, except the Westerlg 210 feet, Auditor'S Subdivision No 9Z, generally Iocated North Of North Snnsbruck Drive N.E, and West of the BZack Forest Apartment, because he felt that Mr. Farr had a good plan, but there were problems that had to be worked out, and this should be reviewed by any member Commission who wished to review it, and it come back on the PZanning Commission agenda as soon as possible_ Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried una»imously. MOTION bg Peterson, seconded by Scott, that the Planning Commission table the consideration of a townhouse deveZopment of 200 Units, T-#76-02, bg Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, for Innsbr�ck Village, ❑ntil they reconsider the p1at. Upon a voice vote, Bergman, Harris, Peterson, Gabel voting aye, Scott nay, the motion carried- Mr. Boardman said that due to the lateness of the hour, the petitioner for the next request had left the meeting, but he had agreed to the stipulations that Mr. Boardman would be needed on this request, but because there were still people waiting in the audience for the following item on the agenda, he asked if the order of the agenda could be changed. MOTION by Scott, seconded by Peterson, that the order of the agenda be suspended, to accommoda�e the peapZe in fhe audience. Upon a.voice vote, all voting aye, the agenda was amendea. 6. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP # 76-04, BY HENNING NELSON CONSTRUCTION CQMPANY: To permit the construction of a duplex and or a double bungalow, in an R-1 District (single family dwe.11ing areas), per Fridley City Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 32 Code, Section 205.051, 3, D, to be located on Lots 13, 14, 15 and 16, Block 2, Riverwood Manor Addition, generally located South oE 71st Way N.E. and West of East River Road N.E. No one was present to represent the petitioner. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Scott, that the Planning Commission open the PubZic Hearing on a request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-04, by Henning Nelson Construction Company. Upon a voice vote, all voting age, Chairman Harris declared tfie PubZic Hearing open at I:OS A.M. Mr. Boardman said that since this request had been made, Lot 13 had been sold as a single family lot, and a building permit had aZready been issued, so this request will just be on Lots 14, 15 and 16. He said that in 1974 ±his petitioner had appeared before the Planning Commission and Council to rezone this property to R-3, so they could build a 24 unit apartment complex on this property. This request was denied by the Planning Commission and Council. He said that this property was still zoned R-1 and the petitioner was requesting a specia2 use permit to allow double bungalows or duplexes to be constructed on these lots. Mr. Gerald Rossow, 6881 Washington Street N.E., said that he had just recently purchased Lot 13, and his new home was in the process of being built. He said that at the time he purchased this lot from the Henning Nelson Company, no mention was made that they were going to request a Special Use Permit to build a double bungalow right next to his new home, so he didn't feel that they had operated in good faith. He said that if someone from the City staff hadn't called him at 4;00 today (March 17th), he wouldn't have known anything about this proposal. He said that he felt that the petitioner hadn't made any effort to build single family homes on these lots. He said he had negotiated with Henning Nelson a long time before he would agree to sell him the lot. He said that he had heard that other people were interested in these lots, and they hadn't been able to purohase them either. Ae told the Planning Cammission that these lots should be retained £or R-1 development. Mrs. Kermit Bender, 146 71st Way N.E., asked if this request was still valid when one of the lots had been sold. Mr. Harris said a request can always be reduced, but nothing could be added to it. Mrs. Bender said that no one from the Henning Nelson Construction Company had appeared at this meeting, and this company has done this before to this neighborhood at the time of the rezoning. She said they have all sat at this meeting for six hours and she thought the petitioner should have been here and presented a plan. Mr. Harris said it was not spelled out in the ordinance that he had to have a plan. He pnobably wouldn't want to draw up any plans unless he knew the special use had been granted. Planning Commission Meeting — March 17, 147'6 Page 33 Mr. Boardman said that Mrs. Bender seemed to be asking if the Planning Commission could act on this request when the petitioner hadn't come to the meeting. Chairman Harris said they could. He said they would only be making a recommendation to the City Council, and the petitioner could come to the City Council meeting. He said that before he could vote affirmatively on this request, he would want to see a plan. William May, 184 71st Way N.E., said that these three lots were the only empty lots in a completely residential area that was across from the school. He said he felt that unless the owner of a double bungalow Iived in one of the units, double bungalows were not maintained. He said that 4 single family homes had been sold in the last 4 months in this area, so single family homes would sell in this area. He couldn't see double bungalows on these three lots. Mr. Gordon Sanqster, 7159 Riverview Terrace, said he just wanted to stress that most people who live in this area felt that.i was a single family area, and that building three double MzngaYows or duplexes at the entrance into this area would be an encroachment into this single family development. He felt these lots should be developed as single family homes. Mr. Roqer Claeqens, 7130 Riverview Terrace, said they were the oldest residents in this particular neighborhood. He said that he thought it was wrong for the Henning Nelson Construction Company to make this request, and then not even have the courtesy to let anyone know that they wouldn't appear at this meeting. He said that proposal was about the same as rezoning, and if it was approved, he thought it would destroy the concept of a very nice neighborhood, or at ieast the entrance to a very nice neighborhood. Mr, Leonard Litzner, 180 71st Way N.E., said that if there had been multiple dwellinqs in this area before he bought his house, he would never have moved into this area. He said he liked this neighborhood the way it was, and he thought these double bungalows would lower the property values in this area. Mr. W. J. Engelhardt, 7120 Riverview Terrace, said that he was one of the developers of this property, and at the time they came to the Planning Commission they were told that this had to be developed as �n�R-1 project, and he felt it should be left that way, He thought there should still be majority rule, and all the property owners in this area wanted it to stay R-1. Chairman Harris said that any property owner has the right to petition for rezoning or a speciaZ use permit, and they have the right to be heard. Mr. Litzner asked what was going to happen because the petitoner wasn't at this meeting. Were the neighbors supposed to spend 5 or.6:hours at every Planning Commission meeting until he appeared, or could they make a motion for approval or denial on this request, or would they have to table it? Chairman Harris said that if the Planning Co�nission wished to do so. they could Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1865 Page 34 act on this request at this meeting. Mr. Rossow said he had met a lot o� nice new neighbors at this meeting, but he did want to mention that his contractor had been at this meetinq until 1:00 and then he had to leave. He said his contractor had just picked up the building permit for Mr. Rossow's home last Friday (March 12th7 and no one had told the contractor about this request to construct double bungalows next to his building site, so the contractor felt that he had been put in an unfair position also. Mr. Engelhardt said that he didn't think that Henning Nelson should be able to keep making requests on this property that was against how the majority felt in this neighborhood. Mr. Harris said that if this request was denied, the petitioner would have to wait six months before he could make any other request for this property. Mrs. Gabel said she was disappointed that the petitioner did not appear at this meeting, because there were a couple of questions she would have liked to have asked. She said that she notice� in reviewing the minutes on the rezoning request, that he had left the neighbors in the lurch like this before. She said she could see their point when they come and sit at a meeting for six hours, and then the petitioner didn't show up. She felt this was rather inconsiderate. Mr. Harris said that on page 84 and 85 of their agenda, there were minutes of the rezoning request on this same property from May 22, 1974, and it listed the reasons why the r.ezoning request was denied. Mr. Scott said the problem he had with this request was because the petitioner was not here to develop his plan, but he did see multiple dwellings as a means of intergratinq less fortunate members of our society, and felt that you could build a double bungalow in a neighborhood without destroying the values of a neighborhood, as long as these were not m ncentrated areas. He said he felt that a person had the riqht to do what the law allows him to do with his own property, and he felt this was a valid request. He said that we were going to have to understand that there were people in this country who couldn't afford the living standards that most of us enjoy. Somewhere along the line, these people have got to be 'integrated into our society and he thought multiple dwellings was a means of doing this as long as this was done on a limited basis. He said that because there was no plan p'resented at this meeting, he couldn't vote for this request, but he thought this was a valid request. Mr. Sangster said he appreciated Mr. Scott's comments, but if he been at the rezoning hearings, he would have heard Mr. Reinertson state that they had so much money invested in these lots that they could not afford to develop them as R-1 property, and so the reasons for building multiple dwellings on these lots were not for helping to 'intergrate less fortunate people into our society, but for monetary reasons only. Mr. Scott said he Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 35 didn't know if he could approve of having three double bungalows together, but if the petitioner had come to the meeting, he might have been in favor of a double bungalow on the first lot, i�' the petitioner had come in with a plan that was aesthetically pleasing. Mrs. Sporre said that on page 3 of the Planning Commission minutes of April 17th, 1974, Mr. Reinertson stated "..a complex of 12 to 16 units would be economically feasible to build, below this number of units it would have to go to double bungalows and this would not enhance the neighborhood". Mrs. Sporre said that as the petitioner did not appear at this meeting, we have his opinion on double bungalows from these minutes. She said they had listened to a great number of people from this neighbor- hood and their objections to this proposal. Mr. Jerry Rossow was living proof that there was a market for these R-1 lots for single family development, and if people were willing to try as hard as he did, that it was possible to purchase these lots. Mr. Eberhardt said he had approached this company about buying one lot, and was told that they wouldn't sell one lot. Mrs. Bender said they have heard of this prope£ty owner's right to petition for whatever he could lawfully do with his property. She wondered what her rights were as a property owner when what the property owner wanted to do was something that she did not want next door to her, until Jerry Rossow's house was finished. Mr. Scott said her right was to come to this meeting and state her opinion�of this request. He said the puxpose of holding a Public Hearing was so that everyone could be heard, and after that to make a recommendation based on the testimony at the hearing. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Scott, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on a reqvest for a Specia3 Use Permit, SP #76-04, by Henning Nelson Construction Company. Upon a voice vote, a21 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the PubZic Hearing c2osed at 1:40 P.M, MOTION by Peterson, seconded by GabeZ, that the P2anning Commission recommend to CounciZ denia2 of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-04, by Henning Nelson Construction Company, to permit the constraction of a daplex and/or a double bvngalow in an R=1 District (single family dwelling areas) per Fridley City Code,Section 205.05 2, 3, D, to be located on Lots Z3, 24, IS and 16, Block 2, Riverwood Manor Addition, genera22y Iocated South of 71st Way N.E. and West of East River Road N.E. for the fol2owing reasons: 1. This proposal was not compatible with neighborhood. 2. The absenee of the petitioner from this hearing. 3: Objection of adjacent property owners to proposal 4. Due to petitioner's own statement in the Planning Planning Commission M�eting - March 17, 1976 Page 36 Minutes of April 17, I974, that doable bungalows wou2d not enhance this neiqhborhood. Upon a voice vote, aIZ voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 7. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SP #76 BY LYNDALE TERMINAL COMPANY: To al�ow the location of a garden center in the Northeast corner of the parking lot of Holiday Village North, per Fridley City Code, Section 2Q5.101, 3, N, located on Part of Lot 13, Auditor's Sub- division No. 155, the same being 250 57th Avenue N.E. MOTION Commission Use Permit, voice vote, Hearing at by open SP a12 I:43 Peterson, seconded by Gabel, that the Plannin9 the Public Hearing on a request for a Special #76-03, bg Lynda2e Terminal Company. Upon a voting aye, Chairman Harris opened the Pvblic A.M. Mr. Boardman said that Brad Steinman from Lyndale Terminal Company and Roger Johnson, manager of Holiday Village North had been at this meeting, but they had to leave due to the lateness of the hour, but they did agree verbally before they left, to all the stipulations that the administration thought should be on this request. Mr. Boardman said that it was because of the rezoning of this property, that the administration felt that the garden center should be under a Special Use Permit as was required in the City Code, even though this garden center has been in existence for many years. Mr. Boardman said that the administration would like to see the following stipu�ations on this special use permit: 1. That this Special Use Permi� be granted for three years at the present location for a garden center, at which time, a decision �e made by Holiday as to the permanent location would have to be made, and then permanent landscaping and a permanent site improvement for this garden center be done at that time. Mx�. Boardman said the reason for this stipulation was because this garden center had been at this location for a number of years and it would be an undue hardship to cancel out this operation at this location, but during a certain time frame, because if Holiday lost this operation, they would be losing between $20,000 to $60,000, through operating time. xe said the petitioner has agreed that this was a reasonable time in which to determine where the permanent location should be. He said that at the present location, all of the �n�tnres that were presently on the site would be torn down, and there would be no outside storage on this site, other than the garden center, as was presently being done. When the garden season was over, there will be nothing on this site. Mr. Peterson said that this should solve some of the problems they had heard from the neighbors during the rezoning hearing. Planning Commission Meeting - March 17, 1976 Page 37 Mr. Boardman said the landscaping that they agreed to with the rezoning should all be done by this fall. Trees will replace the low shrubs which tended to be a catch all for trash, so it should be much easier to keep this parking lot clean. Mrs. Gabel asked about the general housekeeping of this site. She said she has seen it when it was really bad. Mr. Boardman said he thought they were making a tremendous effort with their housekeeping. He said that Bradley Steinman had said at the rezoning hearing that any neighbor could call him direct with any complaints they had on the housekeeping of this site, and he thought the results were showing, and after the landscaping plan was completed, it would be better. Mr. Harris asked with the two special use permits in the pa.rking lot, if there would still be enough parking stalls to meet the Code requirements. Mr. Boardman said they would come pretty close to meeting the code requirements, and it would be hard to deny this special use permit, because the garden center has been in operation for many years. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman to check and see ��at reguire- ments had to be met to have a carnival operation in a parking lot for a retail establishment. He said they had this at Holiday and in the Holly Center, at certain times of the year. MOTION by Scott, seconded by Peterson, that the P2anning Commission c2ose the Public Nearing on the reqvest for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-03, by Lyndale Termina2 Compang. Upon a voice vote, aZ1 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the PubZic Hearing closed at Z:55 A.M. Mr. Scott asked for the sta€f recommendation. Mr. Boardman said they recommended that the garden center be allowed at.its present location for three years, with a permanent site being decided at that time, with permanent landscaping and permanent site impr�ve�ent being done at that time. You could also add the stipulation that there be no outside storage of material at this location except during the garden center season, and that the present iocation be cleaned up. xe said these stipulations had already been agreed to by the petitioner, but it would be better to have them stated as stipulations. Mr. Peterson said he had a personal bias on both sides on this request. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Scott, that the Planning Commission send that request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-03, by Lyndale Terminal Company, to a11ow the location of a garden center in the Northeast corner of the parking lot of Holiday V1IIage North, per Fridley Citg Code, Section 205.SOZ, 3, N, Iocated on part of Lot 13, Auditor's Subdivision No. I55, the same being 250 57th Avenue N.E. on to Council without a recommenda- tion. Planning Commission Meeting -. March �7. 1976 Page 38 MOTION by Scott, seconded by Gabe2, that the Planning Commission was concerned with the freqaency of litter present in the parking 2ot at Holiday Vil2age North. Mr. Boardman said that one of the biggest problems on this parking lot was the problem of paper litter. He said he felt that Holiday Village had taken some steps to eliminate this problem. Upon a voice vote, on the amended motion, a11 voting age, the motion carried unanimously. Upon a voice vote on the motion, aIZ voting aye, the motion carried unanimoasly. 8. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PR 76-03, LEIGH TERRACE ADDITION, BY LEI (SAME PROPERTY AS PROPOSED DORSTAD ADD Lot 39, Revised Auditor's Subdivision parcel 5640) generally located on the intersection of Osborne Road and East PLAT. P.S. ITION): Beinq a re, No. 77, (excepting West side of the River Road. MOTION bq Peterson, seconded by Scott, that the P2anning Commission continue the Public Hearing on a consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S. N76-03, Le�gh Terrace Addition, bg Leigh Investments, Inc., (same property as proposed Dorstad Addition), being a repZat of Lot 39, Revised Auditor's Subdivision No. 77, (excepting parceZ 5640), generally Iocated on the West side of the intersection of Osborne Road and East River Road at the petitioner's request. Upon a voice vote, a21 voting age, the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION bg Peterson, seconded by GabeZ, that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the Planning Commission meeting of March I7, I976 adjourned at 2:25 A.M. Respectfully submitted, � i . �.I�1_,. �� / i. �. . y . - C.� � PLANNING C�MMISSION CALL TO ORD�R: ROLL CALL: APP120VE PLANNING CO�'u"I CITY OP FRIDL�Y � G E N D � NG MARCH 17, 1976 :30 P.M PAGES IOh MINUT�S: MARCH 3, 1976 1- 26 R�C�IVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPtdENT MINUTES: MARCH 9, 1976 These minutes contain this Commission's recommen- � dations on 40' lots. All recommendations from the member Commission's will be included in one agenda for con5icieiatior� Uy the Planning Co:�missicn. � �,•✓ � RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSZON MiNUTES: MARCA 9, 1976 Some residents of Fridley who objected to a variance were invited to voice these objections at the Planning Commission meeting if they so desired. Any comments on the Appeals Commission recommendations may be made at this time. 27 - 32 33 - 39 1. COi:�TTINUED: PUI'iLiC iiEABING: REQJEST FOR A SPECIAL 40 - 46 USE YERMIT, SP �76-02, BY PLFTy00D MINNESOTA INC.: To aZlow the construction of a 10' x 30' billboard in M-2 Zoning (heavy industrial areas), to designate the entrance to Plywood Minnesota and Wickes, to � replace an e�;isting non-conforminq sign, per Fridley City Code, Sect.ion 214.C42, located on Lot 9, Block 1, Great Northern Industrial Center, the same being 5301 East River Road N.E. Public Hearing open. 2. CONTINUED: tl ION OF A 47 - 51 OUSI: IV A;ID V ADDITIOIJS, BY DARREL A. FA-2 DFVPLOPriLNT COK ATIO.1: Being a replat of Outlot H, Innsbruck Addition, qenerally located Sout.h of Innsbruck North Townhouses, Phase S, II, and III. Public Fiearing closed. 3. CONTINUED: Tn�R11TION OF A TOWNIIOUSE DEVELOPMSNT 52 - 53 #76-01, F3Y DAFR:iL A. FARR DEVELOPt9PNT Tn�NSF3RUCF: NORTII TOSdNHOUSE IV AND V � ►.� I �-� Planning Commission Agenda Paae 2 4. CONTINUED: PUBLIC March l7, 1976 S. 'ir76-02, T IDERIaTION OF A BY DARhL•'L A. FARR DEVELOPMEi�1T CORL'UttA'1'1u�v: tsein� a replat of Out.i.ot B, Innsbruck Ncrth Addition, along with Lat 49, except the Westerly 210', Auditor's Subdivision No. 42, generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E. and West of the B1ack Forest Apartment. Public Hearing closed. 5. CONTINUED: OF 100 UNI FOR TOWNHOUS� EL, A. FAR PAGES 54 - 60 h1ENT 6. PUBLSC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USP PERMIT, SP 76-G3, BY ZYNDALE TERMINAL CO��IPANY: To allow the location of a garden center in the Northeast corner of the parking lot of Holiday Village North, per Pridley City Code, Section 205.101, 3, N, located on Part of Lot 13, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, the same being 25Q 57th Avenue N.E. 7.` PUBLIC HEARING: a 61 62 - 65 FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, 66 - 85 uP #76-04, BY TiENNING 1VELSQN COi�STRJCTION CUMYANZ: To permit the construction of a duplex and or a douUle bungalow in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3, D, to be located on Lots 13, 14, 15 and lb, 131ock 2, Riverwood Manor Addition, generally located South of 71st i4ay N.E. and West of East River Road N.E. HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PREZI .S. �`76-03, LEIGH TERRAC� �DDITION :. •. LEIGH INVESTMEi�TS, INC.(FOT2MERLY DORSTAD ADDZTION?. Bein—'- q a replat of Lot 39, Revised Auditor's Subdivision No. 77,(excepting parcel 5640} generally located on the West side of the intersection of Osborne Road a d East ,$ii^ver Road. 1�..� . � y� i� � , � �,}� � � . � � � 3 y��x � / �� <� � � � r, � CITY OF PRIpLEY PLANNING COMMISSTON bSFETING MARCH 3, 1976 CALL TO ORDFR: PAGE 1 Chairman Harris called the meeting to order at 7:39 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris, Langenfeld, Sergman, Peterson �ahlberg Members Absent: 5cott Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPRGVE PLt'�idNING COt�iM1iISSIOi� MIIQUTn:�: FEBRUARY 18, i976 Mr. Langenfeld said that on page 11 of these minutes a statement made by him, thir.d paragragh, should read that he didn't feel that tl�is was a directional sign as it did not ha��e any kind o£ arrosa on the siqn. DSr. Harris said that in the next to the last paragraph on par,e 16, there was a typo error saying Mrs. Sta�walt, and � that should be changed to Mr. Starw.alt.;. and on page 17, the ne.ct to the last paraqraph, s'r�oul�i read that Chaix�man Harris asked Mr. Starwalt..... � ASOTIOh' by Peterson, seconded by Wahlberg, that the PZan;,ing Commission approve the minutes of the February IS, Z976 :aeeting as cozrected. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEiVE ENVIROi�IMPNTAI, OLIALITY COMMISSION MINUTFS: FEBRUIaRY 17, J°7G MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planiiing Commission receive tY.e Environmental Qua3ity Commission mir.utes of the meeting of February 17, 1976. Upon a voice vote, a1I voting �ye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PARKS & R�CREATIQN COb1I�1ISSION MINUTES: FFBRUARY 23, 1376 MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Langenfe2d, that the Planning Commission receive the Parks & Recreation Commission minutes of the meeting of February 23, 1976. Mr. Peterson said that Mr. Scott of the Human R�sources Commission appeared at this meeting giving testimony and comments on the Fine Arts group, and he felt it was very beneficial when other people appear and give us the benefit of their input. UPON a voice vote, aI1 voting aye, the motion carried vnanimously. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING -'March'3,_ 1976 Page 2 I. CONTINUED: PUBLIC H�ARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #76-02, BY PLYWOOD MINNESOTF�, ZNC.: To allow the construc- tion of'a 10' by 30' billboar—d M-2 zoning (heavy industria� areas), to designate the entrance to Plywood Minnesota and Wickes to replace an existing non-conforming siqn, per Fridley City Code, Section 214.Q42, located on Lot 9, Slock ]., Great Northern Tndustrial Center, the same being 5301 East River Road N.E. Pubiic Hearing closed, MOTION BY Peterson, seconded by Wahlberg, that the Planning Commission reopen the public hearing on a request for a SpeciaZ Use Permit, SP #76-02, by Plywood Minnesota, Inc. Upon a voice vote, a11 votzng aye, Chairman Harris declared the Public Hearing reopened at 7:95 P.M. Mr. Charles Seeger, Wickes Fur�:.iture, and Mr. Euqene Hunt of Plywood Minnesota were present. Chairman Harris asked Mr. Boardman iE he had been able to obtain the iniormation the Planning Commission had requested at the last meeting. Mr. Boardman said that a copy of a memo from Tom Colbert had been distributed to the Planning Commission at this meeting. MOTSON by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive a memo from Ton Colbert, Assistant City Enginee , regarding traffic flow for East River Road and 53rd Way, dated March 2, I976. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Charles Seeger said that in looking over this memo, he would like to have this request tabled again to give him an oppor- tunity to meet with the County to see just wnat they had in mind. He said that as it stands at this time, a small sign on East River Road saying that there was another exit, in addition to the 40 some signs that were already there, he didn't feel would help either Wickes and Plywood or the public. He thought something else would have to be done. He said that in defense of what they were proposing, when people get oi-f of the freeway, coming p.rimarily from the East, and come down the clover leaf, they look over and see Wickes and Plywood, when they are at the stop sign. He said some of them have turned around and gone back up the ramp, and there have been lots of accidents because of this. He said that if the existing sign had met the height that was allowed in the City Code, it could be seen more plainly and people would be aware o£ where they were supposed to turn to get to Wickes and 2lywood. He said ta have a directional sign further south where there were no structures he thought would be twice as confusing for the people looking for an entrance into these two commercial bu�inesses. He thought this � should be researched further, Chairman Iiarris asked Mr. Seeger if he understood why the Planning Comi;�isszon Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 3 Planninq Commission was concerned about the traffic problems in the � area. Mr. Seeger said he did, but never the less, the problem still remains as far as tYie industrial park. He said that at present, Wickes and Plywood were the only two retail businesses in this parY. He said that these were substantial businesses. To direct people to these businesses you have to have something to direct them to the e�rtrance to thesc. businesses. fae know ttiat the existing biliboard did not meet the code, at least it was well lit, it was good looking and didn't detract from anything. He said that what they wer.e proposiny was to add P1yc:�ood Minneso�a's name to tl�is billboar.d and bringing the sign up to tlie heig?it allowed in the Code. He said he had talked to the Burlington Norther.n people and they were not i.nterested in putting up any billboard desiqnating who was located in this indust-rial park. He said that Wic;ces and PLywood ��rere willi.ng to reserve space for any non-retai.I business that should located in this ir_nustrial park, at theix expense. He said that if. the property was developed where this siRn vaas located, they icnew that this sign would have to come down, Uut Y�e thoug�t this billboard was an interim solution. He said that if the Ylanriing Cor,�.mission couldn't go along with the proposal as it had been presented, then he iaould like to have tim� to do some further r�searcn. Chairman Harris said that we know that we have a b�d situation with traffic p�tterns in this area now, and witn further de�elopTen± � of the industrial por.?c, it will get worse. The Plannziig Co;nnussion felt that they would like to rnake evcry efiort to have a better solution to that problem than jt�st tl�is billboard. Mr. Seeger said that part of ti:e problem was the tra�fic frori F.M.C. He said he c'.idn't t�hink they sizould be able to ti� up the entire Rive1 Road when their work 1a; was over, fie thougnt the people leaving tnis plant shonld leave in spox'ati.c intervals. Mr. Boardman said he thought the County was thinkinq of sig*.s designating a frentaqe road for 51st ar.d 53rd, and also using street signing, as there �aasn't any in that a:�ea. Mr. Seeger said he di.dn't think that woulcl help their sitL:ation, hecuuse there was no v'.sual problem as to.se�iny wYiere WicY.es ar,3 Plywaod were lacated, ;nst on how Y_o yet to the en'crance to thase busi-nesses. He said that whatecer. the size caas of tne billboard, i.t should b_� larqe enough to catch the eye of the people lookir.q for the entrance. Mr. Seeger said the key to this probleiu would be now many p�:sinesses would qo into this industrial park. that would be open to the public. He said the two retail businesses draw 5,OQ0 cars a week, and tliat was a lot of traffic. Mr. Peterson said that when this industrial park was developed, and even if there were 48 £actories built along with these two � retail businesses, if we think we've got a problem with F.N.C. it will be nothing to tlie problem we would have when all these people left work. He said he was disappointed in the report from the Courety. It looked like they �per.t all of 10 minutes on this problem. Mrs. Wahlberg said that one si.gni£icant item was that they were Planning Commissiqn Meeting - March 3; 1976 Page 4 talking about that in the future of closinq 53rd Avenue intersection and have signalization at Slst Avenue. She thought that Mr. Seeger� should certainly discuss this proposal with the County, because thi� would have a great impact to the accessibility to the two retail establishments. Mr. Seeger said the signs that the County had put up for the left turn had taken almost 9 months of discussion to qet. If lie had to work out a proposal with the County he wondered if they couldn't put up this billboard in the interim. Mr. Boardman said this couldn't be handled that way. Mr. Hunt said that Plywood Minnesota used to have their own sign, but it bletia down. In attempting to replace it, they were taqged, and so had come up with this proposal to share a sign with Wickes and any other business that moved into this industrial park. Mr. Seeger and Mr. Hunt were in aqreement that this request could be continued until they could talk to the County. They said they would lika this to be on the agenda for the next meeting. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Wahlberg, that the Planning Commission coniinue until March Z7, 1976, the request for a Specia3 Use Permit, SP #76-02, by YZywood Minnesota, Inc. Mr. Bergman said that he wanted the petitioner to notz that th � replacing of the siqn was just a part of the problem. He thought the petitioners agreed that the identification of this area and the traffic problem was a bigger problem. Mr. Seeger said he was most concerned about his own business. He said they want their business recognized because they were the people who were generating the traffic in the area. They were cailling to share this sign with any new business that moved into this area. fie said he would try to work out some type of joint agreement with the County. Mr. Boardman said the City Engineering Department should be involved in this agreenent also. Mrs. Wahlberg said that the Planning Commission understood the hardship that these two retail businesses had in directinq people to the entrance, but they wanted the people to get to these businesses in a saFe manner. UPON a voice vote, a22 voting aye, the moEion carried unanimousZy, 2. PUBLIC HEAR7NG; f.'ONS�DERATION OF A PLAT'.� P . S . ff/O�V1� 1lV1VJUAUl..1� LVVl�lll 1VYYIVRVUJli 1V YILVL V f]LL111vLYJ� L.� DARREL A. FARR DP,t'ELOPMENT C�RPORATI�iN: Being a replat of Outlot H, Innsbr.ur_k North Addition, generally located South of Innsbruck North Townhouses, Phase I, II, and III. 3. C�NSIDE12ATiON OF A TO(�1NHOiJ$E D�VRLOPMENT OF 10 BY DARREL A. I'AR22 DL:VEL�F�MEIyT CORPORATION, FOR -,� � � Planninq Commission Meeting _ r4arch 3, 1976 Page 5 �Mr. Darrel Farr and Mr. Jim London were present. MOTION by Wahlberg, seconded by Peterson, that the Plannzng Commission open the Public Hearing on a proposed plat, P.S. �76-OI Innsbruck North Townlzouse IV and V Additions, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote, a1I votiny aye, Ch�irman liarris declared the Pub2ic Hearing open at 8:18 P.ld• Mr. Boardman said that this request was for th� development of 100 townhouse units. These additions would be phase IV and V of the total toom house development. These 100 units caould be part of the present Townhouse Association area. He said that the previous plan for this area had been to have 118 townhouses in this area. In the new plan, the 100 townhouse units would be built in groups of two. The road pattern that was developed on this plat would be basically the same road pattern in previous developments. They would still have the loop systems of West Bavarian Pass looping in and out of T4eister Road and East Bavarian Pass going down to the quadrominiums. This ties in very well with tkie previous proposal. Mr. Darrel Farr said this replat v�as basically similar, if not almost identica�.,�.o the plat that had been previous approved by the City. Since the initial approval, which was three plus years aao, we have decided that the land was not suited to as many units as we had planned because after 5uburban Engineering fir.ished the development qrading plan, the entire site was almost all cut and fil1. ge said the ori_ainal proposal was that the townhouses would be built iu 4 to 8 units as in the other phases. The reason they went to 2 unit development in this new plat was so they maintain a greater differential from otie building to another so that hopefully they could preserve and save a greater number of the trees. Mr. Boardman said the City Naturalist had offered his s�rvices to Darrel Farr as far as providing information and his knowledge in preserving as many trees as possible. Nlr. Boardman said the stipulations that had been agreed upon by the City and the Darrel Farr Development Corporation were: 1. 2. Provide Easement for public trail adjacent to neighborhood park. The plan specifications for streets and utilities are to be submitted to the City £or approval. 3. Off-street parking of 4.75 stalls per unit be provided on those: units fronting on 24' street. 4 spaces shall be provided erit'a each individual unit,' the additional spaces should be provided in close proximity to the affected units. � 4. Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation will provide recordable legal documentation notifying purchaser that there will ]�e no noise buffer provided from interstate traffic noice. 5. Trail development and trail lighting will be completed with landscaping of adjacent units. Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 6 6. Require standard per£ormance bond for exterior development (paths, lighting, tennis court and tot lot) of 50$ of the anticipated costs. Mr. Boardman said there were two other stipulations to provide a tennis court and tot lot on Association property, which had been agreed to. Mr. Harris said this would be a private road system as on previous development of the townhouse area. Mr. Peterson asked if there wasn't a prior agreement that two tennis courts would be provided that would be for the use of the public that wouldn't bs on Association property? � Mr. Eroadman said that on the next plat on the agenda, which had previously been proposed to be used for a 251 unit apartment building, there was an agreement that two tennis courts would be built on City park property. This agreement will hold over in the new plat. Mr. Boardman said the City surveyors would be going out to check to see if ther� was enough room in the adjacent neighborhood park for these two tennis courts. He said that if there wasn't room for them there, they would be in close proximity, they would be in Innsbruck North Park, which was just North of this development. Mr. Peterson said it wasn't too long.ago that the Parks & Recreation Commission had a delegation from Innsbruck North and at that time these people were under the impression that these tennis courts sh�'d have aiready been put in. Ae would be interested in havinq Mr. Boardman give the timing of the construction of these courts. Pdr. Boardman said these tennis courts have always been tied to the development of Phase IV and V of the townhouses and the construction of the 251 unit apartment building. Mr. Peterson said he didn't think this had been pointed out to the people in Innsbruck; because the Parks & Recreation Commission has had pressure for two years about the construction of these tennis courts. This was the reason for his question. Mr. Bergman said all of Outlot H was zoned R-3. Was this any infringement on the R-1 propertyY Mr. Boardman said it wasn't. Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Boardman to explain to the audience what was involved in the approval of a plat. Mr. Boardman said the process started out as a preliminary plat. The Public Hearing on a preliminary plat was before the Planning Commission. At that time, they took a look at the grades, location of structures, sewer and water services, and the type of facilities such as tennis courts and tot lots, etc., and tried to tie everything together in this area. He said the next step would be the final plat, which would be considered at a public hearing by the City Council. Mr. Boardman said that when the rezoning took place on this pr�rty it was always considered as a townhouse development, but the R-3 zoning allowed for a higher density. As the developer will be having less units on this site than was originally proposed, the density will meet Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 7 the'R-1 density requirements. � Mrs. Wahlberg 5aid that she realized that this area has been planned for this type of development all along, but the thing she was cancerned about was the traffic flow. She said that essentially all these roads funnel out to North InnsbrucY. Drive. Th� traffic from North Innsbruck Drive then goes West out on to Matterhorn or West out onto Silver Lake Road. She said that what concerned her the most was the amount of traffic that was already going to Silver Lake Road. She said she realized this exit was in Nece Brighton, but it still fit into the total pattern. She wondered if. anyone in New Brighton had been contacted on this. Mr. Jim London said that when they owned the land in Idew Brighton, we had a plan to develop the land between the Fridlel� a::d New Brighton line and Silver Lake Road. We had a plan that was approved by the City to bring North Innsbruck Drive from the end o£ the concrete to the New Brighton line, over to tie in with Palmer Drive. He said that we do not own the land now and so have no control over the development of that area. As far as he knew, there was stiil a plan in Ne�a Brighton to make that connection some day when that land develeps. It could happen soon, or it could be a few years from now. Right now there was an easement tieing Silver Lake Road witn North innsbruck Drive, and we have maintained that 24' blacktop street up to date. Mrs. Wahlberg said she was sure that many people questioned the � maintenance of that blacktop, and she agreed because she drove that road considerably herself. She said it was used by other people than just the people of Innsbruck. She felt this ceas a very vital part of any development in this area, and should be considered. She said that if this could be tied into Palmer Drive, it would ease the traffic problem considerably. Mr. Londor. said their plan with New Brighton about a year and a half ago was that 27th Avenue, about a block West of Silver Lake Road, would tie in with 14th, and go on do�an and cross North Innsbruck Drive and would tie into the service drive down by the I'ord d2alership, etc. There c,�ould not be a connection between North Innsbruc}: Drive and Silver Lake Road as we know it toclay. It would either have gone North to 14th or South to Palmer Drive. Mrs. Wahlberg said that if that land has been sold to someone else, then the access from North Innsbruck Drive to Silver Lake Road would become more vital with additional development in this area. She said this was a major problem now, particularly in the winter time. She felt that if something wasn't done about this, then all the traffic generated by these new developments would qo into the Fridley street system and this was something that the City should address itself to. Mr. Bergman said that in the adniinistr.ative sta£f report it � states that West Bavarian Pass and t4eister Road would be 30' streets and all other roads in this preliminary plat would be 24'. Mr. Bergman asked if a 36' width wasn't the standard width for City residential streets. Mr. Boardman said it was, but these were private roads. Mr. Boardman said there were a lot of 30' and 31' residential streets Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 8 in the City also. Mr. Beraman said that if 36' wide streets were good for the � City why wouldn't they be good for a krivate development. Mr. Boardman said there would be a problem in widening these roads because all the units would have to be moved back. He said the only pro�lem with 24" streets was access for emergency vehicles, but there were 4 off-street parking stalls £or each unit, so there shouldn't be much parking on these streets. In addition there will be one more stall provided for each 4 units. Chairman Harris asked if they were allowing on-street parking on the 24' streets? Mr. London said they weren't posted for 'no parking'. Mr. Boardman said if the 24' street became a problem Eor emergency vehicles, he thought the City would ask to have them posted for no parking. Mr. Harris asked the width of the riqht of way? Mr. Boatdman said there was no right of way on private roads. Mr. Aarris asked what would happen if at some point in time, the City would have to take over these roads? Mr. IIoardman said the City has said that they would never take these streets over because they do not meet the City specifications. Mr. Harris asked who maintained these streets? Mr. Boardman said the Association took care of them. Mr. f�arris said that from the reaction of the audience, he would suspect that there was a problem with this, but if there was a request for the City to take over these streets, then the City would not do it. Mr. Berqman said that if he remembered correctly from 3+ years � ago, he thought there was discussion that these streets would meet the City specifications, so that the City take-over of these streets would be feasible, Mr. Doug Van Arkel, 5563 East Bavarian Pass, President of the Townhouse Association, said he would like to discuss problems that the Board of Directors had noted with this development. He said it had been discussed that this be developed in a harmonious and °nvi'ornmentally sound manner, but the big problem was the roads. He said they had two problems with the roads at present. One was a sYiort term problem. The roads that were already constructed in the area now were to be maintained by the Association. There would be no way for construction vehicles to get back to the area under discussion, to be deveioped without using the existing roads. We have no firm commitment to the responsibility oE repairing roads damaged by this heavy equipment other than a verbal agreement. We have experienced along with the Darrel Farr Development Corporation, the developm�nt problems of the last two years. The problems he has experienced, we have experienced. If canstruction equipment should do excessive damage to our existinq roads, cae do not feel that it should be the responsibility of the Association to repair them. He said that if the development did not go as nicely as everyone hoped it would, and the developer didn't have money to pay for these repaiss, then thi would be a serious problem for the Association. He said they were � seekinq some assurance that these streets would be repaired. Mr. Van Arkel said the long range problem with the roads was that he was not under the impression that the roads met the City standards as far as Planning Commission Meefinq - riarch 3, 1976 Page 9 the top coat. He said we have been living with the width of the � streets, and he-supposed they would continue to live with it. We question whether these roads were constructed to City specifications as to surfacinq of residential streets. He said that as the Townhouse Association was going to be responsible for maintaining the strects in the new addition, and they wanted to make sure that what we have to start with was maintainable. for the amount of traffic that thes� streets were going t:o get. Mr. Van Arkel said the other problem was just something oThich he could just ask for cooperation from tihe Planning Cor,ir�i_ssion, and that was the access to Silver Lake Road. He said that if it tcoY. 2, 3 or 5 years before the New Brighton property was developed, who will maintain that road. He asked if the City of Fridley realized that the Association would net take on the responsi.bi1ity of t.he maintenance of that road, and it nay have to be blccked up. He said that everyone in Inns�ruck would then have to use the Westerly route in Fridley. rlr. Van Arkel sain that another problem the Association was experiencing w�s the parkiny facilities for the recre�tion ceiiter. They are totally inadequ�te, and nothing has been done to ease this problem. He said there was room for the par3cing of approximately 10 automobiles, and they widened b:eister Road as it approached the recreation building. [de have asY,ed, but we have not received any support from the develo�er, to have the parking facilities increased. � Mrs. Wahlberg said that she believed that recreation center ha� been used by outside persons. She said that she rem�mbcred that thcre had been an Innsbruck Bo�ltique sale held in this building. Plr. Van Arkel said that he hadr.'t been involved in that, but he believed they had traffic monitors during that sale, to help ease the traffic flo:a. Mr. Mike Swenson, 1496 North Innsbruck Drive, said that he had talked to the mayor of New Brighton, and he had assured him that New Brighton was not qoing to maintain the extention ot �orth Innsbruck Drive to Silver Lake Road. He said that if everyone who lived in the apartments, the townhouses, and the single family area had to come West on North Innsbruck Drive, its going to look like Central Avenue. Mr. Aarris asked what kind of condition that extension aras in at the present time. Mr. Swenson said that it was very bad. He said that when there had been a snowfall, it was about 4` higher on the sides than it was in the middle. It was like a big dishpan. Mr. Harris asked how wide this extension was. Mr. 5wenson said it was about 24'. Mr. Harris asked how wide it was plowed to. Mrs. Wahlberg said she thought it was about 16', but it was an extremely dangerous road for anyone to travel, with ice. She said that when you meet someone on this road, you try to get as far to the right �" as you can, but if you slide down, and it was very possible to 30 that, you collide. Sh� said the maintenance has not been good on that road, and it was used extensively. Chairman Harris asked who was responsible for the maiiitenance of that road. Mr. Swenson said it was definitely not New Briqhton, Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 10 because it was a private road. Mr. Van Arkel said this private road did not belong to the Association, so they would assume no responsibility for the maintenance. � Chairman Harris asked Mr. London if it was the developer's responsibility to maintain this road? He said that road has to belong to somebody. Mr. London said he didn't know if it was their responsiblity. He said they had spent quite a bit of money on this extension. Mrs. Wahlberg asked who was plowing it? Mr. Jim Lukaszewski, 1536 South Oberlin Circle, said it was plowed by the company that plowed the Association roads. What they do, was to make one pass on thc road as they came into the Association roads, and make one pass qoinq out. He said that last year, they had joined together with the Black Forest Apartment and had some heavy equipment brought in, and this was paid for jointly by the Association and the Black Forest Apartment. Chairman Harris said we have a road that doesn't belong to anybody. Mr. Berqman said he had occasionally driven on this road, and he was in general agreement with what had been said at this maeting. He said that it was his opinion that whether we called this a private road, and whether this was on private property or. on public property, it was infact being operated as a City street, and as a through street. It was a prime collector street, the only way to qet to Silver Lake Road. He said he recol2ected quite clearly that 3+ years ago, it was a responsibility of the Darrel A. Farr Corporation to provide t� access area to �11ver Lake Road. He said this meant adequate width, adequate surface and adequate maintenance, and safe transport. Mr. Peterson said that there seems to be an agreement that the City would never take over the maintenance of pri.vate roads. He asked if the City had a special arrangement with Innsbruck North that they don't pay the same taxes as the rest of us pay. Mr. Steve Tollison, 5538 Meister Road, said that the large majority of people who used the North Inr.sbruck Drive extension were Fridley residents. He said that he caught a bus at this corner, and it was a very dangerous place to have to walk to catch this bus also. He said he had talked to the City Assessor and the City Attorney about taxes. He asked if there was any difference in the tax base because we maintain our own streets and some other things. He said the answer was no, we had the same tax base as any other area in Fridley., Mr. Peterson said he thouqht we were on shaky ground on this tax situation, and he would like an opinion from the City Attorney on this. Chairman Harris asked Mr. Lonflon the specifications on the private r.oads. Mr. London said they all had at least a 4" base with a 2" mat. There were some that were built with a deep strength asphalt, anticipating construction access to the South. He said this would be West Bavarian Pass. He said he believed that street had a 4 1/2" base with a 1 1/2" mat. Mr. Harris asked whV these stree� were breakinq up. Mr. London said there were cracks where the center line joi.ns and where the street joined the driveways. He said there were a few alligatorspots, which you can expec� in that type of Qlanning Commission Meeting _March 3, 1976 11 soi2, especially when you have deep sewer and water cuts. Iie said � that generally he didn't see any more break ups in this area than he saw on any City street in this type of soil. � r� L Mr. R. G. Rumpsa, 1481 North Innsbruck Drive; Mz. Donald Pet�rson, 5595 Matterhorn; P�7r. Terry Wiley 5571 �ast Bavarian Pass N.E..; and Mr. Ken Bureau, 5530 West Danube Road, all had comments on tne North Innsbruck Drive extension, and the big preblem it was ior this area. Mr. Rumpsa said there has been discussion on closing this road, but the Citp of Ne,r Brightcn needs that access for fire protection. He also said that I�;orth InnsbrucY. Drive was a race track and he thought there should be more stop signs on this street to sloti� trie traffic down. Mr. Langenfeld said it seemed to him that the people in Innsbruck have asked the City many tir.i�s to nelp them with diiferent p��blei�is, and he has never seen any reply to tltese concerns. It seems like ih•�,� w�re totally ignored. He then asked tAr. Farr thut if he was going to buy a townhouse, would there be any stipulations as to the maincenance of roads, etc. What kind oi an agreement would there be? He sai3 that if he �aas going to bup a townhouse, he would �•�ant to know that it was accessible° in the winter artd summer. Mr. Farr said that the homeoGaners themselves administer the entire Association. He said the Association ocaned the roads, and was responsible for snow plowinc,s the maintenance of the roads, upkeep of the buildings and the natural areas. He said they were responsible for all the private roads ir. the area, witn the exception oi North Innsbruck Drive which was a State Aid road. Mr. h,ike S�,renson said that �11 the homeowners paid $43 a month to the Assocation for a variety of- services, so it was the residents of the area who have assumed the burden of maintenance. Mr. Farr said that it was obvious that something was going to have to be done with the extension of North Innsbruck Drive until the area in New Brighton was developed, and North Innsbruck Drive was extended to Palmer Road. Iie said that Fridlep wouldn`t o�ant to maintain a road in New Brighton. I3e said that he wasn't developing anything in this area, and he couldn't do it because he didn't have any money, at this point in time. He said the homeowners in the area weren't going to do it. He said he didn't know who was going to develop this road, but he was willing to take on the burden of upgradinq this road until such time that North Innsbruck Drive was completed as a State Aid Road, but he couldn't do this until he had some £unds to dp it with. Chairman I3arris asked Mr. Farr if he had an agreement with New Brighton that they would designate this section of North Innsbruck Drive as a State Aid Road. Mr. Farr said they wouldn't do that until there was a development plan for the area in New Brighton, and the street patterns were ��orked out for that development. Mrs. Wahlberg said that she had talked Brighton Planning Commission and as far as be any plans coming in for this area until to someone from the New they knew, there wouldn't 1977 or 1978. Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 12 Mrs. Wahlberg asked Mr. Farr if he didn't own all the property in New Brighton up to Silver Lake Road at the time this property wa� rezoned. He said that he did, but subsequently the bank took the property. Mrs. Wahlberg said that in the original agreement she remembered that he was responsible for maintaininq this road up to Silver Lake Road, Mr. London said that this property was now ' owned by the bank. Mrs. Wahlberq �sked how much the townhouse units in this proposed plat would sell for? Mr, Farr said they would range in area from 1200 square feet to 2,240 square feet and would sell in the range of $45,000 to_ $60,000. They would range from 2 bedrooms to 5 bedrooms. They will be compatible in design to the townhouses in Phase I, II, and III. Mr. Van Arkel asked if he could request the City Engineer to take core samp2es of �ast IIavarian P.:.ss, West Bavarian Pass, and Meister Road, so that once and for all, we would know what was there, and the City would know what was there. Mr. Harris said the City wouldn't do that on private roads. They would have to make their own tests. Mr. Harris asked how far the average unit set back from the street. Mr. London said the minimum was 20'. Mr. Harris asked r4r.Van Arkel if they had a problem with snow storage. Mr. Van Arkel said there really wasn't any place to put the snow, so it was loaded into trucks and piled in the ponding area. Mr. Dick Peterson, 5554 � Wa�ideck Crossing,said that a longer setback wouldn`t make any difference. They would still have the same nroblem. He said the drivesaays were part of the street, and they were all plowed at the same time. Mr. Harris asked if they had berms or curbs on the streets. Mr. Peterson said they had fu11 curbs except where the driveways were. Mr. Harris asked if the streets ware crowned, Mr. Peterson said they were. Mr. Harris told Mr. London that there had been some question on the parking facilities for the recreation building. Were the present parking stalls and the parking on Meister Road done as, proposed on the original plan. Mr. London--said he didn't know if it was the original pZan., but it was done according to an approved plan. He said he would want to talk to the Boazd of Directors of the Association before he made any recommendations for changing the parking in this area. He said there were a lot of trees and a ponding area close to this recre- ation building. Mr. Rumpsa said that Mr. London has said that every effort would be made to save as many trees as possible. He said it should be noted that a change in grade can be very hard on oak trees; and with the problem of oak wilt, a11 the healthy trees should be saved. He said tYiat he had used tiling around his trees to save them, and he thought more care shou3d be taken to save the trees. Mr. Harris s� the City Naturalist would be working with the Darrel Farr Corporat on this development, and it was hoped that this would save more of the trees. ,,�..Q.... Planning Commission Meeting - c4arch 3, 1976 , Page 13 MOTION by WahIberg, seconded by Peterson, that the Pub1?c Nearing � be clo5ed on the consideration of a pre2iminary p1at, P.S. �176-D.L, �y Darrel �. Farr Developnent Corporation. Upon a voice vot.e, a2I voting aye, Chairman Ftarris declared the Public Hearing closed at 9:40 P.M. Mr. Bergman said he had listed some concerns that have been mentioned by the people of P2ortl� Innsbruck, and by the members_of the Planning Corunission. Concerns directed heavil.y towards the Darrel Farr Corpor_ation, some questions directed to the City, and he felt these concerns needed consideration before they could giv� any sort of approval of the plat. He said he vrould like to hear some comments from the other members of thc Planning Commission before he liste3 these concerns. Mr. Langenfeld said he thonght the savinq of as many trees as possible oaould be a concern. He said that it staLes in the administra- t.ive report that quite a few trees would have to be removed. Mr. Boardman said that in previous developments by Darrel Farr they had saved as many trees as they could, and with the help of Dan Huff; the naturalist, he cvas sure that they would save as many trees as possible. Mr. Peterson said he was coacerned about trees, but when we �.�e�e discussing the preservation of trees on private property he thought this was kind of shaky ground. Ae thaught the City should more legitimately � be aoncerned with the streets and the traffic flow in t=his area_ He said that as the Chairrnan of the Parks & Recreat�oii Coir�r«ssion, his concern and that was when e�e had the people from Innsbruck North appearing befo.re his Commission ak��ut tennis courts that should be put in, he would like to see the time, the place, and the funding for these tennis courts, instead of just a stipulation that at somn future time they would be built. Mr. Langenfeld said that he felt the extension road of North Innsbruck Drive was a major headache, and he said he would like to see some solution found for this access before someor.e caas killed. He said that any subsequent deve].opment in this area would only compound the problem. Mrs. Wahlberg said she thought they should bear in mind that the original proposal £or this part of Innsbruck had a much larger amount of units, and that they had preliminary approval for that many units at that time, Probably the key to this now was the road situation. Traffic patterns which have developed in the first three phases of the townhouse development had made her have grave reservations about the traffic problems with the development of two more townhouse areas that were being considered at this time. She thought that even if these were private roads, the City had the responsibility of stepping in on a main funnel street. � Chairman Harris ask�d Mr. Boardman how this fit into the Compre- hensive Plan? Mr. Boardman said it fit in very well. Mr. Harris asked about the utili�ies? Mr. Boardman said they all have to meet the City specifications. Mr. Harris asked who guaranteed the work. Mr. London said they had the standard contract with the company that _ Planning Commission Meetinq - March 3, 1976 Page 14 did the work, 1 year. He said the contractor used the City specifi- cations for water and storm sewers and the sanitary sewer. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, �that the�Planning � � Commission continue until March I7, 1976, the consideratzon of a preliminary pIat, P.S. 1�76-01, Innsbruck North Townhouse IV and V Rddition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, being a replat of OutZot /i, Innsbruck North AddiCzon, generally 2ocated South of Innsbruck North 4'owrzhouses, Phase I, II, and II7, until the following concerns have been addressed: The Darrel Farr Development Corporation apply attention to questions asked at this meeting, such as; 1. Streets do not meet the City specifications. 2. Clarification of street maintenance, in particul�ax on the Norch Innsbruck Dri.ve extension to Silver Lake Road. 3. Clarification of time period involved in tennis coarts & tot Iots 4. Need of assarance by the Association that streets used during construction wiZl be repaired and maintained. 5. Re-evaluate the adequacy�of parking facilities for the recreation center. 6. Review if there was a need to only allow off street parkinyi' The City Rdministration should: 1. CZarify the City street speci.fications ai�d compare them to the specifications in Innsbruck. Z. Arovide a Iega3 opinion on the street maintenance versus equa]. taxation question. � 3: Communicate with the City of New Brighton in regard to access to Silver Lake Road as far as improvement and the State Aid designation situation, and their plans on construction of an al.ternate route. r1r. Harris said a concern he had was if the access to Silver Lake Road was cut off, what would be the alternate traffic pattern for this area. He thought the City Engineering staff should address this problem immediately. Mr. London said that during their work with Neca Brighton, they had a consultant do a traffic study, and he thought the City of New Brighton had a traffie study done also. IIe said that at that . time they were considerinq alternate access�to Silver Lake Ro�d;- � Whether it be 14, North Innsbruck Drive or Palmer Drive, it was determined at that time that Palmer Drive was the best intersection. It was also determined that there would be more than enough capacity to handle all of the traffic from this area. At that time we were ��_ Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Paqe 15 � planning 850 units in the R-3 zoned property, and now this proposal was down below 650 units. We were also proposing at that time, to have over 350 units between Fridley and Silver LaYe Road, �ahich also would have been funneled to this intersection. IIe said that when the Palmer Drive intersection was completed, the traf£ic patterns will work for this area. � Chairman Harri.s asked what we were qoing to do in the meantime? He said that might not happen for 5 years in New Briahton. He said he hoped that D1r. Farr would be successful with these two townkrouse developments, hut without a good access to Sileer Lake Road, he thought it would be one big problem. Mr. Langenfeld said tiiis acccess �aas important from the safety standpoint too and for access for fire protection and other emergency vehicles. Mrs. Wahlberq said that urhen the City eras checking on the accessibility for this area perhaps the City could address itself one more time to the speed problem on North Innsbruck Drive, and see if any additional stop signs would help solve tne problem. She said that travelinq West on North Innsbruck Drive that there should be a warning sign as you come around the curve to the existing stop sign, tihat there was a stop sign ahead. She said she had seen a lot o£ people zip through this stop sign because they didn't know it was there, particularly on the ice. Upon a voice vote, a1S voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. NOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman,- that the Planning Commission continue unti.2 March 17, I976, the consideration of a townhouse development of 200 anits, T-#76-OI, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, for Innsbrvck North Townhouses IV and V Additions. Upon a voice vote, aZl voting aye,� the motion carried unanimousZy. 4. 5. : CONSIDERAT Being a replat o� Outlot B, Innst Lot 49, except the Westerly 210', generally located North of Narth of the Black Forest Apartment. IDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #76-02, ARR DEVELOP,?,ENT CORPORATION: ruck North Addition, along with Auditor's Subdivision No. 92, Innsbruck Drive N.E. and West OF 100 UNITS, T-#76-02 . FOR INNSBFUCX VILLAG Mr. Darrel Farr, Mr. Jim London, and Mr. John Klick, architect for the townhouse development in Innsbruck Village were present. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Wahlberg, that the Planning •' Commission open the PubZic Hearing on the consideration of a preliminaiy plat, P.S. It76-02, Innsbruck Village, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote, all votinq aye, Chairman Harris � decZared the Pub2ic Itearing open at 10:02 P.M. Planning Commission Meeting - Marah 3, 1976 Page 16 Mr. Boardman said this preliminary plat was for the constructio of 100 townhouse units in what was the site location for a 251 unit� apartment building. There will be a public street in this plat which will be West Bavarian Pass. The spur roads off of the public street will be private streets. There vrill be a separate townhouse association for the townhouses in this plat. Mr. Bergman asked for clarification of the public road as far as City specifications. Mr. Boardman said this public road would have a 50' right of way and the street would be 31' wide. Mr. Boardman said there will be 25 structures, with 4 units to a structure. They are 'for sale! property, they are not .rental property. Mr, Farr said they had a model built for this development which they had at the meeting. They thought this would help explain this deve2opment to the P2anning Commission and to the people in the audience. It shows the topography of the plat and how the units wili be located on the p1at, and how they relate to the street and each other. Mr. Farr said the units were designed to have two rambler type units in the front with full basements, with two units behind that were either rambler units, with a storage area all on the same level, or units with a walk-out basement. He said they managed to keep the streets on one side of all units, so the streets don't go on both sides as they would in a typical 4-unit building. He said • a problem in most townhouse developments was that when you drive down the street you see a row of garage doors. This was true in the existing development. In this development, we brought all the driveways in on the side of the garages so th.e� front will be the facade instead of the garage doors. Mr. Klick said the units that were faced to the qreen space would have attached garages which helped alleviate the row of garages facing the front. He said the design of the units provided for driveways and garage doors to be on the lower part of the hill, and as the slope of the land decreases, the units step up that slope, so there would be less cutting of the land, and that was an aid to the retention of the tree cover. Mrs. Wahlberq said that these were the units that you were asking a blanket variance on. Mr. Klick explained which units would need the variance. Mr. Langenfeld asked why there wasn't a public road in other townhouse developments. Mr. London said they have learned a iot about townhouse development since they started, or else there probably would have been a public road in the other developments. Mr. Farr said he didn't think the City wanted a public road at that point in time. Mr. R. G. Rumpsa said he was concerned about the price range � of these townhouses, Sbme of the single family homes were in the � $150,000 bracket and he didn't think that moderately priced townho s were compatible with that type of home. He thought these townhouses would de�ract from the property values of the single family homes. Planning Commission Meeting - biarch 3, 1976 Page 17 .Mr. Farr said that before one single family lot was sold the complete plan proposal was completed, and the people who bought � those lots knew that this particular site was for a 251 un.it apar.tment complex. Iie said this proposal has been changed to have only 1�0 units on this praperty, c�;hich would be owner occupicd townhouses. They would be sma11 units, but they wer.e well designed and would be a qood transi.tion from the B1ack Forest Apurtment complex. He said the price range of the apar�ments in this complex was $150 to $210 a month. T17e people who could afford to purchase a townhouse in the $32,000 to $39,OOD range would be compatible to the people wi�o lived in this apartment complex. He thougl7t people of all inco;��e ranges should be able to live in Innsbruck ir they so desired, and that this townhouse development was good socio-economic planning. Mr. Rolarsd Stinski said that he had just purchased a lot on Arthur Street for $14,��, and he was concerned about the elevat_ons on this proposed plat, and what that would do to his 1ot. He �•:ondered if' his lot �•�as qoing to become use�ess, or what. Mr. London found Mr. Stinski's lot on Arthur Street and told him how this plat with the structures would relate to his lot. Mr. Stinshi asked when they planned to start construction of these townhouses? Mr. Farr said he would like to star� as scon as he had approval from the City. Mr. Stinski asked if the City street had been approved? Mr. � Boardm�n said that was all in the consideration of the plat. Mr. Boardman said that he had been in contact with the i.H.A. and they were goinq away from all private streets in a townhouse develop�:�ent and were now looking £or public streets. We do have some private streets in this plat, but F.H.A. was agreeable to �t.at. . Mr. Boardman said that D4r. Farr was reducing the density on this plat so that it meets the R-1 requirements although this pr.operty was zoned R-3 except for that part of Lot 49 that was included in this plat, which was zoned R-1. Mr. Stinski said that the single family development in I was just starting to go gocd in this area, and he didn't thi. City should jeapardize this development with somethiny that detrimental to the area. He said he thought they should tai; look at the amonnt of traffic that would be generated by more in this area. � bruck the ld be . good development Mr. Donald Peterson, 5555 Matterhorn Drive, said he was concerned about the traffic flow, as others. He said that he didn't think any one could argue with the planning of having townhouses as a transition from the apartment complex to the single family homes. He said he did question the difference in grade for the townhouse units, which was up to 20' in some places. He said the type of construction would limit the design of these townhouses, than if they were on a flatter piece of ground. He said that on the other plat discussed aL- this meeting, the townhouses were more expensive, and they were beinq built in units of 2 to lessen the need for cut and fill. This area was just asheavily wooded, and yet these townhouses were being built i.n units of A, and he didn't understand the logic of that. � _. Planning Commission Meetinq - March 3, 1976 Page 18 ' Mr. Peterson said he also questioned why two of these units would only be about 10' from the property line. Mr. Farr said he couldn't respond to this without getting quite� upset. He said he didn't feel that the people living in the single family homes in Innsbruck had any more right to live in Innsbruck than the people who will live in this area, as he had said before. Mr. rarr said that Mr. Stinski was ane of the largest landlords in the D4etropolitan area, and he didn't feel that the testimony he had given at this meeting did him credit. Mr. John KLick said he would like to respond to some of the comments made on the proposed units for this development. He said these units were designed expressly for a difference in grade of 10 to 15 feet. He said they would not work on a flat piece of land. They were units that were one story on one side and two story unit on the upper side of the slope, givinq 6oth units the availability of a walk-out type of situation. He said that it was not a crue statement that units couldn't be designed for this type of slope situation. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman if this followed the comprehensive plan. Mr. Boardman said it did. Mrs. Wahlberg said that she noticed that most of the single family development was North of Ncrth Innsbruck Drive N.E. She asked Mr. Farr ii he had ever considered having tne more expensive townho�e� on this p1at, and the smaller townhouses on the other plat? Mr. Farr said they hadn't. He said there were more single family lots South of North Innsbruck Drive than there were North of North Innsbruck Drive. Mr. Rumpsa said the lake separated the single family homes from the townhouse area South of North Innsbruck Drive. It was a natural barrier. Mr. Rumpsa asked about the homes started in the single family area South of North Innsbruck Drive, that have never been completed, and how many unsold townhouses there were. He asked if these were just going to be 2eft standing, and if both these plats would be started at the same tirne, with the same results. Mr. Farr said that he didn`t own the R-1 lots and had nothing to do with tha construction pf homes on these lots. He said that he only had two unsold townhouses in the developed area. When he had approval of these two new plats, he planned to start construction immediately. He would like to start this construction this spring, and both plats would be constructed at the same time. Mr. Langenfeld asked Mr. Farr if he had any kind of report on what response he would have as to the occupancy of the new units. • Mr. Farr said he hadn't had a formal feasibility study made, but they have 60 to 70 couples a week going through the model, if that was any indication of the interest in townhouses. _ _ Planning Commission Meetinq - March 3, 1976 ^ Page 19 MoTSON by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergman, that the P2anning � Commission ciose the Pablic Hetiring on thc consideration of a yrelimin- ary pIat, P.S, f.�76-02, Innsbruck Village, by the Darrel 11. Farr Pevelopment Corporation. U�oa a voice voie, aZ1 voting aye, Chairman Ha,rris declare3 the Public Ifcaring cZosed at 20:35 P.M. Mr. Bergman said there seemed to be some disc m pancy betwe�n the portion of Lot 49 that was considercd part of this property, and what was platted. Mr. Bcardman said there �aas, and it �eas one of the stipulations that P1r. Parr deed to the City that part of Lot 14 not needed for this plat, to be included with Innsb_uck Park. Dirs. Wahlberg said that- many oi the que�tions that we had discussed on the previous plat are relevant to this plat, particularly the traffic flova, so maybe this preiiminary plat should be ta}�1ed a1so. � MOTIGN �y Langenfeid, seconded ny W'ahlLery, that the Plar��iii,a Cor�misszon continue until ldarch 17, 297F,, the cans_deratio❑ of a pre2iminar� p1at, P.S. ;76-02, Ii�nsbruck VilZage, bu Darrel A. rarr Development Corporation, being a r.eplat of Outlot B, Inr�sbrucY. R'ort?; � Addition, alon� w.zth Lat r9, exrept the WesL'er1� 210`, Auditcr's Subdivision No. 92, generaIlu Zocated North of Nort:� L:nsi�ruc� Dr.ive N.E. and West of the B1ack Fore.st �oartment, because the questions asked on the other p1at, would have to be considered in a determination � on this� p1at. Upon a voice vote, a21 voting aye, t::e motion carried . unanimvusly. � MO�TION by Bergman, seconded b3 Langenfeld, th�t the Planning Commission continue until Alnrch 27, I976, the conszderation of a townhouse development of 100 Un�ts, T-H76-02, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, for Innsbruck VilZage. Upon a voice vo*_e, a1Z votiny aye, the motion carried vnanimously. Chairman Harris declared a recess at 10:40 P.PA. and reconvened the meeting at 11:05 P.Id. 6. CONfiINU�D: REVIEL9 OP PRE�PPLICATION POR COMD:UPiITY DEVELOP?<<F,'NT BLOCK GRAi3T Mr. Boardman said the preapplication For a Community Aevelopment Block Grant that was in the ager.da was the revised preapplication that was'requested by the Planning Commission at their meeting of February 18, 1976. He said that he had handed them a copy of the Metro Council A-95 review of this preapplication. This review was on the revised preapplication that the Planning Commission now had. Mr. Boardman said they had dropped the proposals for obtaining � the proper�y North oi City Iiall for a Civic Center and for the acquisition of 10 lots in the Riverview Heights arca. He said he had talked to John Kari from the hietropolitan Council who said that Fridley had a much hetter chance for funding without these two proposals also. He said that all the funding requests now pertained to the housing plan. Planning Commis�ion Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 20 Mr. Boardman said he had also been in touch with Marcia � IIennett from the Metropolitan Council and sh.� said that rridley was now ranked sixth for funding consideration and she thought Fridley had a good chance of gettinq this fundinq. He said the funding request was for $50,000. Mr. Peterson asked why the Riverview Heights proposal had been dropped. Mr. Boardman said that it dzdn't fit in too we11 with the housing plan, but that after a Parks & Recreation Compre- hensive Plan and a Critical Area Plan had been developed, they could probably apply Por funding at that time. MOTIOt7 by Pe�terson, seconded by Bergman, that the P3anning Commission recommended to Council approvaZ of the preapplication for a Community Development Block Grant. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unarimo�sZ�. 7. CONTINUED: IN THE MAT7'E TIiAT THE MIS � NOTICE OF �[i)�I OF PUBLIC HEARING METROPOLIT�N COUNCIL GNATED BY THE GOVERN LeeFu7n Sporre of the Environmental Quality Commission was present. Mr. Boardman said there was a Public Hearing in June on the • development of Critical Areas, at which time the City did make their recommendations. He said the recommendations on changes would be going to Public Hearing again on March 11, and they want all comments on the recommendations by March 31. Mr. Boardman said the reason this was brought back to the Environmental Quality Commission and the Planning Commission was just for the review to see if there caere any other recommendations that you mi.ght want to make. Mr. Boardman said that one of the recommendations made by the Environmental Quality ComFnission was that if Highway #169 and East River Road was not included in the critical area, then it should be, because these were used for access into the critical area. They were also concerned with the effect that East River Road would have on critical areas, because of traffic noise, etc. Mr. Langenfeld said the recommendations made by the Environmental Quality Commission were on page 4 and 5 of their minutes of February 17, 1976. He said that this became an item of concern because of the schools and school children alonq the River also. He said they felt this should be more people minded. Mr. Peterson said there had bcen some discussion at a Parks &� Recreation Commission meeting about a proposal by Anoka County to upgrade the river and provide accessiblity to the River in Fridley as a central location for this access for a boarding facility. Mr. Boardman said that when a river was designated as a critical Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1R76 Page 21 area, there were certain rules and regulations set up for the � protection of that river. iie said that the critical area corridor in Fridley w�s designated to be from Highway #169 to Bast River Road. When they establish an area a5 a critical area, they lay out ceitain rules and regul.ations as to land use and the land reguirements along that river corridor.. This Critical Area Act saas for the protection o£ our natural resources. He said that if the �ississippi River was goi.ng to be used for boating or canoeing, there would have to be some dr.edging becaus� it gets pretty shallow in a couple of areas. Mr. Peterson asked idr. Boardman if he had seen the plan fr_om ti:e County where the bikecaays, trailways, etc. were all tied together, because there was somethina in this plan about boat access to the Mississippi River. P4r. Boaraman said he hadn't seen anything from the County at all. He said he hadn't seen anything dovrn on paper, and thought it caas just at the talY.ing stage at this time. Mr. Harris ask�d how t.h� critical area corrider wou�d af'`ect the existing development in tha* area. Mr. Boardman said it erould:i't have any effect in Fridley �vhatsoever. He said that if they used the bluff linc, then it could affect some property, buL thcy �•rere using the river bank. xe said the height requirement o;ouldn`t apply, but the 40' setback from the river Uank would apply, and there weren`t any houses under tha* minimum requirement. Mr. Harris asked what caas considered the river bank? Mr. Boarciman • said it was the normal high water line. Mr. Boardman said he didn't anticipate too many prculems with the designation of a critical area corridor, but the Environmental Quality Commissi.on had brought out some things that he hadn't thouaht of before. One of their questions was that ii this was designated as a critical area, what effect would the noise from East River Road have on that recreational area and the actual preserva�ion of that river. Mr. Boardman said the critical area designation didn't deal wi.tlz the use of the river, but the use of the property along the banks. Mrs. Wahlberg asked if motorized traffic was allowed pn the River.and_what if someone wanted to construct a restaurant on the river. Mr. Harris said he,couldn't think of any site in Fridley N. of 694 where a restaurant could be located. Mr. Boardman said that I.694 was the breaking point of two classifications in the critical area designation. North of I.694 it was classified as residential, and South of I.694, it was classified as an area of industrial development and different rules � . and regulations applied. Lee�nn. Sporre said that this item had been discussed at the � Environmental Quality Commission, and they had done some research for this meetinq, and it was her understanding the Staff would have a report ready for this meeting. Planninq Commission Pdeeting — March 3, 1976 Page 22 Mr. Boardman said he wasn't thinking in terms of preparing a report of the �nvironm�ntral Quality Commission's recommendations. was thinking of the Planning Commission reviewing the recommendatio� of the EQC, and with the Planning Commission recommendations, prepare a drait copy that would be presente� to the City Council. Mr. Langenf.eld said the recommendations made by the Environmental Quality Commission were on things that they wanted changed in the desiqnation of the Mississippi River Corridor. Mrs. Sporre said �hat she was an environmentalist, and she was concerned about the conditions in rridley and of quality water, but was also concerned about the effect on people. She didn't think the plan addresses the effect on people and their ability to enjoy tlie river as much as a beaver does. She said that people have a tolerance level and studies have proved that noise pollution does affect a person's ab;.lity to learn and to appreciate.. She said that if all of East River Road and all of Highway #169 was included in the river corridor, all these�things would have to be addressed. A1r. Boardman said that the �nvironmental Quality Commisssion did make the recommendation that these roads be included in the Mississippi River Corridor, and the effect that the noise would have on people who lived within the critical areas. He sazd he wasn't entirely sure that the reason the critical areas were set up was for the people who were living on the banks o£ the river. The critical areas legislation was for the protectioti o£ the river, from the land uses along the � river banks. Chairman Harris said that it seemed to him that this was written up "thing" oriented instead of people oriented. We aren't worried about the people, we were worried about a"thing", a siver. He said this did not address the people using the river or it's banks. Mrs. Sporre said that if we didn't say that we needed that river, no one else was going to say it. Mr. Boar�man said that East River Road was included in the critical areas designation because of the noise problem, why should we iimit it to just this road and Highway �169, strictZy within the critical areas, because this did not deal with the legislation of the Critical Areas Act. It also doesn't deal with what effect motor boats on the river would have on the land uses either. It also does not deal with uses outside of the critical areas having an effect on what was happeninq within the boundaries of the criticaZ area. MOTION by Lang'anfe2d, seconded by Bergman for discvssion, that Mr. Spardman zncZud� a21 the recommendations made by the Environmental Quality Commission showing their position in his final report, with emphasis on the dead2ine date. � . Mr. Boa�dman said your position was shown in your minutes, and � these minutes would be going to the City Council along with the Planning Commission recommendation. Mr. Boardman said he was looking for direction. Did the Planning Commission support the Environmental Commission that a draft should be drawn up supporting the position of the EQC? Planninq Commission Meeting - M�rch 3, 1976 Page 23 .Mr. Bergman said that on this people versus thing discussion, he felt this was an ecology item, and it was the same thing as save � the trees, save the forest, and save the river. tie saifl that he felt the ul.timate benefit of all these things wera the q�ne�al public, so this can be related back to people. Mr. Aarris that this was of people. said that he felt it should be stated in the legislation the purpose or the Criticai Areas Act, for the benefit Mr. Boardmaii said that if '•�ast River Road was included in the critical arcas designation, then the legislation would have to direct its attention to �ahat that noise saas doing to the people.Tnis noise was frcm a source that had nothi.ng to do with the ri.ver_ This was why he questi.oned that East Ricer Road and Highway {#169 should be included in the critical areas corridor. N1Y'. BC�YC'jP.ld'_7 2Sfir,�3 �qh_a,± t}Zn £_n•'�YOri11?G�Y!�t.d]_ QUulltc1 COiYIIill.`�510:2 was proposirig. Do they v*an� to move the highway? �Vhat was the alternative. b1r. Boar�man said the intent of the EQC cvas that the npise and eLiect on tl.e people fron East River Road should be included in the critical areas corridar. Bir. Harris said it dia have a;1 eifecc on the river, because of the stcr� water that drains o£f of it, because of the chemicals used on it, it dees have an effect on the v�ater quality of the river. All you have to do was look at an outlet going into the river to see what was going into 2t. • Mr. Yeterson said h° shared h:r. Boardman's concerns. He sa=d he was in favor of protecting the river, whether they were talking about a scenic river designation as they in other parts of the State, or a critical areas designation, that they were discussing £or Fridley. He said he thought tl.�� could ma;ce the designated critical area so broad that it c,�ould take it out of the scope of the legislature. fIe said that he didn`t see how they could change East River Road, when this road was part of other comr.iunities. He said that if we caere going to be worried about the noise on East River Road, then we had to worry about the noise on University Avcnue and Central Avc-nue. He said that all this noise impacts upon the people, but he didn't think this was what the Planning Commission should be addressing. Ae said that they were considering the Mississippi River from point A to point B and whether it should be designaced as a critical area. He said he felt that when you were protecting a river, you were protecting the people. He said 'ne supported Mr. Boardman's position because he didn't feel it was germane to include all these areas in the designation. � Mrs. Sporre said that if Highway #169 and East River Road were included in the designation, it would not change the world, but it would give us the opportunity to say that Fridley recognizes the river �u be a recreational outlet, being a very senSitive area and needing very careful control, and that the entrance door was the River Road. She felt that all the citizens of Fridley would benefit from this statement of concern. Chairman Harris asked Mr. Boardman what the difference was in the Critical Areas Act and the Department of NaturaL Resources Shoreline Regulations? Mr. Boardman said as far as he knew there Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 24 hadn't been a decision, but this would be controlled by one or the other, it couldn't be both. He thought that the Missisippi River would be under the Critical Areas Act, and the lake and other publi� bodies of water in the community would be under Shoreland Management. Mr. Boardman said that he felt that by including East River Road in the Critical Areas, they would be short chanying the problem. There �aere more problems with East River Road than what could be handled in having this included in the Mississippi River Corridor. He said that if it was so designated, what could happen would be in direct conflict ��ith what the Environmental Commission wanted ta happen. If this was part of the Critical Area, they could request that the road be upgrad�d to provide more access to the River, and request that this be more of a scenic route, so the traffic would be increased, which would just add to the noise pollution. Mrs. Sporre said the E�C made other r2commendaiions other than having East River Road and Highway �169 included in the Mississippi River Corri.dor. Mr. Bergman thouqht the alternative to Mr. Langenfeld's motion would be to go through the Environmental Quality Commission's minutes and discuss each motion and decide if they agreed or disaareed. Mr, Peterson said he w�sn't comfortable with the present motion, because he didn't know what he was voting for. Mrs. Wahlberg said that she thought the East River Road problem would be better addr.essed by the proposed East River Road Planni_ng Committee, as was proposed in the EQC minutes. She said this Commit e could.work with other communities and other government levels, such as the County Board. She said she had trouble equating the problems of East River Road with river protection. MR. LA�NGENPELD WITHDREGT HIS AfOT20N. Mr. Bergman, who had�seconded the motion for discussion, aqreed. Mr. Langenfeld said he would suggest a more thorough examination of.these minutes, to see what proposals the Planning Commission agreed to, to give Mr. Boardman the direction he requested. Mr. Boardman said one of the points brought out by the F,QC was on the silent clause. He said that what this clause said was that if the Metropolitan Council hadn't responded to a plan in a certain amount of time, it was automatically adopted. He said that if the City submitted a plan to the Metropolitan Council, he thought that should be subject to review, and not just let it go throuqh without a review. There should be an extension of the time limit, and he thought they should be responsible to reply within that time limit. Ae said that when a plan was presented to the Metropolitan Council we were asking their revzew of this plan, and he didn't think they should have the out of not reviewing it, and just letting it go through. Mr. Bergman said that he thought the Planning Commission shoul� take the proposals from the EQC minutes and vote on them item by item. Chairman liarris agreed. PLA^dT1ING CONL�IISSION MEETIPdG - tdarch 3, 1976 Page 25 MOTION by Bergnian, seconded by Peterson, that ' sion did not concur �aith the uroposa2 to add No. Zetter "a", statin9 transportationfaciliiies�near areas posing noise pollution shaJl be avoided and voice vote, Atrgman, Peterson and Wah2berg voting and Langenfc�d abstaining, the r.rotion catrzed. the Plannin9 Commis- I3 on paye I2, under schools or residential corrected. Upon a aye, Harris nay, Mr. P.erqmari said Yie had made the motion because he felt the statecl addition was not germane to the problem. MO'lZQN by Wahlber.g, seconded bg Lanqenfeld, that the PZanning Conzn,ission agree with the recommerdatzor, made by the Envirenmer,taZ Quality'Commissicn on "h" on.gage 19. - ' Mr. Peterson called for a point of order. He asY,ed in favor of tliis motien m�ant that cae did not agree �-�ith conseni, clause. Mrs. I�:ahlberg said that �•ras correci.. if a i�ote the silent UPON a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried utianimonsiy. t-fOTION by Wahlberg, secor.ded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission concur �vith tYe F.nvironreataS Qvality Cornmission in their reguest for a definition of "reasonable use" as applied on pa9e 20, Number Z under "b", and that the reyuest be made to the proper body foz this definition. Uyon a voice vote, a12 vofing age, the motion carried unanimously. � D1.r. Langenfe].d said they hadn't ;nad2 any reco:�u,�endations on the discussion on th� signs. They wete in disayreement with the words "may be". He asked idr. Boardman what word could be used for a substitute. Mr. Bergnan said there was no motion made on this question. Mr. Boardman said the di5cussion came up when they were discussing signs along the critical area corridor, b�r. Harris said i:hat tlie pr.esent sign ordinance in Fridley would make it difficult to put up billboards close to the river banks. Mr. Boardman said that he thouaht the provisions made in the Critical Areas Act more or less were controllec� within each communities local or dinances. �� Mr. Boardman said this will go to the City Council for their review, and they will have to determin� which direction they wanted to take. After the Council's determination, the staff report will be drawn up and sent in. 8. GENERl1L DTSCUSSION Chairman Harris said that the Planning Commission was going to have to make a determination and set a policy on 40' lots. He said some of the member Commissions were considering this, and they should be made aware that the Appeals Commission had tabled a request for variances needed on a 40' lot, so this should be expedited. He said from what he had been given to understand, there was no way we could deny a building permit on a 40' lot, so we had better set some stan- dards and criteria. Mrs. Wahlberg said that this was the first request for building on a 40' lot in Fridley. She said that the City Code states that the Planning Commission Meeting - March 3, 1976 Page 26 minimum lot size was 50'. Mr. Boardman said this item was on the agenda for the next meet� of the member Commissions. Mr, Peterson said there were 9 unnamed parcels of park property in the City. He said there was supposed to be a memo prepared and given to the Planning Commission asking for any suggestions they had for names for these parcels, but evidently the Planning Commission hadn't received that as yet. He asked the Commission's to be thinking about names and if they had any suggestions to make, they were welcome to submit them to the Parks & Recreation Conunission. Chairman Harris said that Mr. Bergman and hi.anself had attended a seminar on the Planning Commission in local government on the 25th and 26th of February and had found it very beneficial. We will give you a report on this seminar when the hour wasn't quite so late. ADJOURNMENT: MOTSON by Peterson, seconded by adjourned. Upon a voice vote, a11 the Planning Commzssion meeting of A,M. Respectfully subnitted, � �� 1 <.'� "- L�'�� i1 �L j1��-�y✓ Dorothy Pven'son, Secretary Wahlberg, that the meeting be voting aye, Chairman Harrzs decZared March 3, 1976 adjourned at i2:47 � � COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION � March 9, 1976 MEMSERS PRESENT: Herman Bergman, William Forster, Dennis Schneider, Hubert Lindblad MEPfBERS ABSENT: OTHERS PRESENT: None Howard Mattson� City Staff �i LeRoy Oquist, Chairperson Bergman apened the meeting at 7:40 p.m. He wel- comed the new Commission member, Dennis Schneider to the meeting and introduced him to the other Commission members. I, ADDITIONS TO AGENDA: Mr. Oquist stated he would like to add an item to the agenda regarding the issuance of business licenses in residential areas without public hearings. Mr. Bergman stated he would like to present a brief summary of the seminar he attended along with other Planning Commission • members entitled "They Never LisCen to Us." Pir. Bergman stated he felt the Commission should also attend to the business of electing a chairperson and vice-chairperson for the coming year. II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JANUARY 20, 1976 CDC MEETING: MO�ION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by William Forster to approve the minutes of the January 20, 1976 Community Development Commiss3on meeting as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ` J III. SUMMARY OF 5TATE PLANNING SESSION ENTITLED "THEY NEVER LISTEN TO US": Mr. Bergman explained he and anoCher member of the Planning Commission attended a State Planning Training Session given t5y the Minnesota State Rlanning Agency. He added they were giVen a catalogue of slide shows in the areas of zoning admin- istration, community development, land-use planning, and funding our community's future. He added the Environmental Impact 5tatement process was also discussed. Other areas discussed were legal aspects of signs, home occupations, and special-use permits. He stated he found this seminar to be very interesting and rewarding. 2g COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION M�ETING, MARCH 9, 1976 PAGE 2 � LJ IV. DISCU.SSION ON TEEN CENTER PROPOSAL: Mr. Mattson explained the Human Resources Commission organized the Youth Project Committee made up of students from the high school, and these students organized and conducted a survey including questions regarding the teen center. Mr. Mattson added a Truenfels boy conducted an additional survey specifically on the teen center. He stated it was the concensus of the Human Resources Commission that these two groups be united in some way. Mr. Mattson also stated the Hu�an Resources Commission, hased on the comments of the YPC, was noC in complete concurrence with the proposal made by the splinter group. Mr. Schneider asked whether there were any particular points which the Human Resources Commission was in disagreement �aith. Mr. Dlattson stated the YPC was primarilq� in disagreement with the appointment and also with the organization of the -� board of directors which would run the teen center. Iie stated there were other points of disagreement also including the facttiiat this proposal was not made with the concurrence � of the original YPC. MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by William Forster, to-receive the Fridley Youth Genter Proposal. Upon a voice � vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. POINTS OF CONC�RN: 1. Space: Mr, Bergman stated the Truenfels boy had requested the o1d Iibrary space for this teen center. He added there has been input that a teen center located in the City Hall would tnterfere with the normal workino atmosphere by causing much noise. 2. Time: Mr. Schneider stated he felt the Community Develop- ment Commiss3on should not take action on this plan iL there is another plan pending from the YPC. However, if the YPC doesn't come up with something for a long period of time, some action should be taken on this document. � 3. Cost: Mr.`Lindblad stated he had the feeling this was just another c�*ozd for "civic center". He fel.t one could not count on 'bolunteer" help to pay for the cost of these things. Mr. Oquist stated maintenance costs also have to be considered. 4, Accessibility: Mr, Oqui,st stated the City Hall is not all � that accessibla to every residettt of k'ridley as is stated in the proposal, He added he felt only youth who live within aalking distance would attend this teen center. � r1 � ;, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION r��ETIN6, MARCH 9, 1976 � PAGE 3 5. Validity of survey: Mr. Bergman stated the validity of the surveys. Although more youth stated they would like a teen center, many youth would actually use it. he would question than SOY of the he wondered how Mr. Mattson stated he had suggested the YPC organize a "town meeting" to be held in the old library space to get input from the youth and really determine whetl�er this space would actually be put to good use. MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by Hubert Lindblad, that the Community Development Commission communicate with the Human Resources Commission to see if the CDC can obtain a tentative schedule of the YPC's plan and table any action on this request until the CDC hears from the HRC regarding the questions raised. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. V. DISCUSSION ON 40 FOOT LOTS: Mr. Mattson stated a request to the Appeals Commission made on February 10 precipitated the discussion on 40 foot lots. He stated a request was made to build on a lot which was 40 feet in width. He stated the motion was made at the Appeals Commission to table this request until the opinion of other commissions could be heard. Mr. Oquist asked what the owner wanted to build on this 40 foot lot, Mr. Mattson stated they wanted to build a small house. Mr, Forster stated it was his opinion that houses built on lots of this size would not fit in well with the rest of the neighborhood. He added problems could arise with the garage, etc. Mr. Mattson stated the proposal made in this case was feasible and quite reasonable. However, the Appeals Commission felt it should be discussed at length since it was the first one requested, He added no 40 foot lots have as yet been built on. Mr. Schneider asked how many single 40 foot lots exist. Mr. Mattson answered quite a number of them. Mr. Schneider suggested changing the building requirements such that if we do allow any building on 40 foot lots, it is only in those cases that it is impossible to bring that up to the 50 foot 1eve1, Mr. Lindblad stated he did not think building should be , � allowed on single 40 foot lots. Ae added building a house without a garage was a gross misdemeanor� �� 0 COMMUNITY DEV�LOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING, MARCA 9, 1976 PAGE 4 � Mr. Schneider stated he agreed in principle with Mr. Lindblad. Howevet, he did feel a lot which was tax-forfeit would be more beneficial to the City if it was built on. Mr. Ber�man stated this particular request called for 6 variances from the code. Mr. Forster stated resale has to be considered. This could be a real problem when trying to sell a home on a lot of this size. MOTION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by Dennis Schneider, that the Community Development Commission recommend to Planning Commission allowance of the building on 40 foot lots under certa�n condi- tions: 1. If the land is available ott either side purchased such that the lot can be brouQht u buildinp would be denied on a 40 foot lot. That the owner/builder ma i61e to meet all of the e That it blend in aesthetically wi[ or which can be o to code, then of an effort as es. : of the neigh- � 4 That there be no variance allowed from the present ordinance requiring a maximum of 25% covera�e. Upon a voice vote Bergman, Schneider, F votinQ ave, Lindblad votin� nay, the moti car and Oquist MOTION by Lindblad seconded by Forster that all owners.of 40 foot lots be informed oF the City's new possible position. Upon a voice vote all voting ave ttie motion carried unanimously. VI. DISCUSSION ON BUSIiVESS LICENSES WITHOUT PUBLIC HF,ARINGS: Mr. Oquist referred Lo a massagc parlor which was granted a business license in his neighborhood. He felt this was a big problem. He added he felt nobody should be granted a business license without a public hearing being conducted in order to give neighbors a chance to voice their views on this. He also stated traffic and parking was a proUlem with this type of operation. Ae stated he would like to propose an ordinance change which would state a person could not be granted a business license without a puUlic hearing. • COMPfUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ME�TING, MARCH 9, 1976 �� PAGE 5 • Pir. Oquist added this man was not granted this license in Cblumgia Heights. Mr. Bergman stated this was a discretionary judgement decision on the parC of the Columbia Heights admin- istration. Mr. Schneider questioned the grounds £or denial providing a public hearing even was held. Mr. Oquist stated possibly neighborhood approval. MOTZON bv LeRoy Oquist to recommend to Planning Commission that the ordinance be revised to require a public hearing before a business license can be issued in a residential zone area. Seconded for discussion bv Dennis Schneider. Mr. Schneider stated he felt there had to be a basis for rejection. UPON A VOICE V� EIDER VOTING NAY. THE MOTION VII. DISCUSSION ON SECOND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS: FORSTER Mt. Bergman stated there was no real xusfi for a recommendation . on this item, and due to a lack of time, he calZed for a motion to table this item until the next meeting. MOTION by Forester, seconded by Lindblad, to table the item "Second Accessory Buildings" until the next CDC meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. VIII. DISCUSSION ON SIGN CODE: Mr. Bezgman stated the Planning Commission felt something should be done with the sign ordinance on the Community Development Commission level. Mx. Oquist stated either staff or the Appeals Commission should outline the problems so that the Community Development Commission could make the necessary adjustments. He staCed those people are the only ones who could tell the CDC what the problems are so that the problems aren't repeated. Mr. MaCtson stated the CDC is being asked to approach the enCire situation and look at signs as they exist in the com- munity, in other words, become more aware. MOTION by Dennis Schne3der; seconded by LeRoy Oquist, that the members of the Community Development Commission receive � copies of the existing sign ordinance and other pertinent mat- erial from the City and review them and prepare a list of problems as they see them for the next CDC meeting, and further, that theCity staff compile a list of examples of problems and forward them to the members of the CDC prior to the next meeting. Upon a voice yote� all yoting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ��N COMMUNITY D�VELOPMENT COMMISSION MEE�LNG� M�RGH 4� 1976 PAGE 6 lJ IX. ELECTZON OF CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON OF CDC: Mr. Bergman called for nominations for chairperson of the Community Development Commission. Mr. Oquist stated he would like to nominate Mr. Bergman to continue for another year as Chairperson of the Community Development Commission. Mr. Bergman called for further nominations. There were no further nominations. MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by LeRoy Oquist, that Mr. Bergman be elected as Chairperson of the Community Aev- elopment Com�nission for another year. Upou a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman called for nominations for vice-chairperson of the Community Development Commission. Mr. Oquist stated he would like to nominate Mr. Lindblad to continue for another year as Vice-Chairperson of the Community Development Commission. Mr. Bergman called for further nominations. There were no further nominations. MOTION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by William Forster that Mr. Lindblad be nominated as Vice-Chairperson of the Community � Development Co�mission for another year. Upon a voice vote, all votin� aye, the motion carried unanimously. • X. ADJOIIRNMENT; MOTION by Le.^.oy Oquist, seconded by Dennis Schneider„ to adjourn the meeting at 11:33 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Kespectfully submitted, -`-��r �; �. L _—' ' ' i�� Holly T sager Recording Secretar • �� l'RILL!;Y 1;�rE.11�5 C�:::P:IISSIUN L�Ir.;�TING � „2,txcx y, lyvc� t+7FN�i?1'sR5 i'ft�:3�i�JS: VSr;�ir,is ;isnlh,�.rg, �at G��,�1, ASclt ii�mper, Jitn � l�mal 1. � ifiisr:ir`:fiS r':PSt�d:1': 0i'ri?RS L7IiT3: "52'n'l : l�Ori3 Rcn iiold��n, �1zilCin_r-, Inspection UfI'icer• '.hQ ��e�ting �vcas �a.�.1?d tu ord�r �y 'hctln€ Cliaircrom.n '-7eh1}��erg at 7:35 :'.i;i. rl r �� r_!t`<. F .� r� � "t *'-�n 41- Wi01I�71 k�e G�t, ! �o*�':. '�S �'1 l,,___`�o�..o_;._�?�Q;r.r, t,t� �:1+11,, n{� ,,� ,�Ar,�a,��i-., lU 1y^,� ��i �;�� ____ ��.??� U�or. a volce vote, ,fll rotinr� ciye, tize .T:oti��n cnrried unran�-�:ou��.;, . A R3-'.U3:ii' EOR �> i1LHIIi:.'i' V�a:�T.:i�i.:� Or 1:�1!: YRIliL[;�' �I`1'X .^.OD1� ti5 �OiLOi`i5: S��C'i'IUN 2tlb Ua3 � 4 r1, t0 fi LJCr, :<i� ? HuP T Y xFiU S13TBi.� �t F rV ". 'iriL Yi4.U11� :L �55 P.�k:T i0 GJ:F,v ��:i iJ .y1,LV.r 'lO,-�1.nUUSi:S 1'J L.. 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Holden explained thr,t the o^7_^inal reque�t �rz�s at e�n iro;�po_�tur.� ti;ne ti�1h�n t?z� clty attor•r_ey v:es out of' to�..n. !ie saia it ��vs�.s re�*ie+a;ed later anri uet�r�nin�d that as � to:��nhouse dev�lopm�nt th�a°e r,re technicnil; no �ett,acks, wi:i�h rroula ml`:r.i.rate tha nsed fcr + variance �roc�du±e. 2, fl }�F,-r,U�ST 1•UF; �1 ViiRI:.P:.�,:; U= i33 FRIL�LL'Y" CIi� C0�7E i4S FOLL(i'��e�S: Sti's.�`.'CION 20`u.U53, 4N, �i'0 EBi:U�� '�i:,s FF�P:T Y<',RL S3't3AC.i� tROTr1 35 7�'T•s'l�T TO 2� FES'� TCl itLLO"V TA'.'s �U:iS'PRU�`;IOPi C)P A SIibGLi: l�l:?�lIIX L:113LLI�(': ON LU'P 4� E1.00ri 3� L'OUNDi:�:JR�S ��'RIt+^v BRIJUIt liDD1iIU2�: TH'; .°>��':;E BF.TAG 8100 P,Ii`.'_i SPF}3:`P ;=.-3., FRIi;L�TY, isSINT�LSU'�A. (R^'.IIi:ST i3Y MR. L�iVIB RUT'°'3i, 8140 FiU:`i� STR;:sT :d,E., IRIl:i.?:1', idl:il:��SU'P�`i b5�}32,) � id b� Ite�a�p`: � voico vc Mr. Duvid kotter of the property , were sno��n to the S'9COliCJPu hy' ��.�;Ti , atl votin_; aye, ive.s present ,*,o present s p.oposed house p1.an Soard. o �-�n the public hee ;not:ion carrl��-c. the raquest, A survey anfl photo�raphs of the lot F'RID'1��:Y i:�t'f;nLS C0�13�1SSIU;� 54�k:TIrIG t„afiCIi �y, 1�76 - Pt�GF 2 �� AI)?+11i�lISTRr:7'I�ri�: IZ3i'ORT A, t'Ut3LZC PURt'USt; 5's'fiV;?t} L'k I{ USFis;� :i2'a: Sec.*,2on 2US,Ub.;� 4A, � T'�ront ;,�ard set;buck of.� �'.`�5 f'a�et. � �ur�lic �urpose served b�' t:sis �F;»t;��,n i; to r�lloiti i'ox^ of'f-wtr�r�t • ni;rl:lr.� ;rithout r�r?c^an.chin� on tY!e pubit.c ri:.;hi: of' �ar:.y , i11:�o t'.119 f!a•;�:}79 �`.:LC !;OY1,Sj.C:.t.'I"1l:�OZ1 Cj� 'tl7?:! T7.�':li-;rlC)OI'.!:i00C1 t'.O I'G'11U��f.^ i.Yli3 erhul.l.ciing lir_-� oi' s:.Le° cnc:ot,et;.a:,r.� into t,h;> nai;�:hbo-rt� ?'ront y ard. �,�,�,� .,, „ �,� B, Sx�,.:U 13r"�FD.::U�': Lor, 1s ur.bui.li:ah� ,RIti;._�ut t� :=te varae:ncr.. C. C�,�,i;II2;S5';;i�iSi�� S'P�S�� k'::rI3'r: .?o:iz��:; tn be ��nnsir.�r�ci ir. this rea,u�st ar.o :�� `ollarrs: l. +;i�.hout z1;.oe?f.nt? thc; varianc.p .ca,ue:t., t1-i� area c�an b� dAvelo��ci orla� �t s� ��at c :;e�r�.sa. 2, 'i'he co,t of con�truct�on. 9.i ��c; v,,r.ic:r.ce ie gr��:nt��d �+�ou2� t�:till be rii�kiei� �hf�m r_or�n�l dk�: to er.��n.sive foixaid_�t;ion construction on Lha back �1c?e �f �kin house, 3. ilithout ello��r �.n� tha ctt:ri��ca � gret�t ae�..l of rr�Y.ur�Hl terre:in ,�oula b� S�;z�i,icea in crde,r• tc cor,sfruci Fi houae or� this i�rouerty . 4 o i�i alter•n;�te �voul.ci. be �a r�duec� tn�� 'ti�±zs� in w,i�i:}; �0 24 �` f'ept and tner��L;� 5.ner�as�; tne s�tbacl: f'rcm 2� i'�.F,t �i:a 2? faet. 5. hncrhei^ s1tA�.l��te ivoui.�3 b� to dssign a dii'i�i��r.t ty�� of nuuse mo�ee suitable to th� lot. ':'��Q��I�i'� b� Y'l�lil�__"...i...C()Ylw Q�?�;` �`i.fJF::.I.t i:fJ &CC€iL'i; '('.;1F� �'.d`:1.'�I"Ai.^t,nIItt. H�uoz�t. i%aon a vc�Yca vote, all vo��in,; c��e� tric� �z�oL�.oTi caxr��i�d. Pdr, Rott;Y2� expl�ir.�d hc i� ��k_i.ng to reduce t}:': f:'011F d�.rd =;�tbr�ck f'rorn 35 f�ot ''c.o 20 fcet pecrzusa of i:h� creek (�Prin« Brrsuk) running l.n baclt. il.c saia �vi.th e 3b faot se:tbz�cic hE �:��uJ.� t�m dc��n �.r, th� creek bed. PriP. z.�51riC�. iiSk=C�. ::i7f1 tli 'c�I10�:1A7' O"::;�:?Tl iT1�cr.T. �?" 1"10I'@ appropr•is-rw, end Pfs. Rotter r?�plir>d ir, wea iue°�- � qu�s��.on �£ hovr to util9 ^,e T,he sPac�. �i� ex�lfilneu hoY� h� r,oulC chan�'o th:� nou�e a bit to rnslcc i�c smu.�ler, t�ut �r�s r�=iucLSnt ta co tni� i�� he wc�ntc�d to kecP within T.l�:rt price ranF;� of' the: housee In L"r:^s ar�aa. H� �aid it is a 57�?,UUU ho�is�, :a it i�oula Ue ar. attribut� +o Lh^ n�i-h';�ox- hcoa. Tt vtu:s not�d ti�et r�ver� th.ouc_il no vari�.�nat�s u�r,xi� �i�*�n r,he other oroo�rties in the ar�af tl:o;� ��:�er� not i.n � direct� ].ir.e, Chairwo:nar, uYshlberg f19kfQd Lh� prauer9,y aiur.�rs 3.n th� ar�a who �vcra ' present ta atap for�v�rd. :,=r. and °dr�. �:r�x�n;rx uarnr,y, 8Z25 fiuth � Streot, 1�riuloy; i¢ir. una tGr�. Sohn '+�Ali;on, 806o fiu�h Stx�emt, Frialey; �• , . F'RIUL�'Y !�i'LdL5 i3OlvihilS.�',iUi� idrl:'lIi•!G �tt�RCtl y, 1J76 - Yf,G!. 3 r�nd t�r. and ;ure. BoU F'�°itch, 81u1 F�airmont Cir�cle, Frialey, came • f'orward to h�r�r the prc�po^,al �ria r°vi4�, tl�e plsine. � . t?r. Rotttr s?�o=.ved th�m th� nho�o;*,^anhn r�nd cverlay of' the ?roperty, nnd ooln�-c1 out 'xi1�r° thd t:ous� rroula be l.ocr,tad �:t�ith the 3b foot setbar.�C an� :^iith a 20 foot R^tnac::. rio e,°.:�leined ti:,�:t th� oro^ert�,,� w�� once zoncd �'or �lz-�_r.�� de�;-lo;i��nt erhich �.r;ant th�re ceulU bA u e;?�ooaina cert�r th�r° no��v, ar.;� a-aonf:si.znd tti�T. h> Fa:� trying to utilize t;h�; aroP^r.ty a:� a�rPll a� h� coula c,hilr, �r;;in�- to mr.intain tha quality of tiia h.•us�s ara�ind it. :5 1�r. `+��lton r°�d t�e fol�o,:�in? _-rs��r e; oh�sction acdres:,-d to th� App��cls Ocria:i �sion anc Cr=_±.�d i:�:�rc?i G, 1H7S: "Gui� chi^cticn to Pdr. Davie. Rottex'4 re��z�st i� on 'r.`.i; ;cli.v��r�ru� eounte.; (1} i"'he 3b f'oot rule •rrcas ucss^d �v: t�ri.dl�^�- council in �he �velic intmr°et - t0 3i1�.L1Y'c". S�OT 1"..7'`1G�.�aj Y'a`S:_G.3Y1±:� F. ��u�; envix•o;:mq11� .:Yi:i �.?f'�O. 5�"j1.?9 niG7�:7' t%O S SU`�lll^liCiT] CO'."i1�Ilt111:_l-'y Ol' C:t7:+ll�v�y �O D7'.^.��rf:I1t t:�1t �1�'OV�'C%511�7 that is of1'ensi.�e in ve,-� �oor ,�r..s. sna in urbrzzi ar=a�, ,9hen p£{m<3�Y15 i�'f1G' Zfl�V� f"..%la' �.:!Y.^i�"'f`.Yli". :1?°.�ijr-�'rs. cf' ch°; CC?11••C�1 IP_Ll°L i1HTl�' reaiized tn,.t thar� •,v�e � ir��i^t;r in lct snape ran� s�z:. If' :�'�r. RO�t31 Uf ti0ttlulld VOriSt'.Pl.1CG'1Qi1� iY:.^, D:li.l:1:? %i.�', Y'.'�`S`.:;:?'riC@ IIt: �o.�.il� Ruth �i.Y`d`..'t+ rti�u.� Yl@ :Sj.11 mo�t,' ^��ta.'�n1.� CY'()4t'Q �".iY"� t7'GYI�". SriC�:J OI t�vo raGiOzr.cvs anross iro�r. ti7i: 1c�L, ;nci tn::� ad,jcinir.r rasiuynces. �thil^: ;dr, kot.t;�r -nej hUv� n� �hj-R�ti;,n t.o tYiis cro��c;=nF-, thP i:our_�il'� C�.8C�3i0I1 SYlOi2�..`�. �fii{� �lit�0 CvY:�iC3="e.i.�ilil !�03qj.�.i�° �li.Ll1Y'=' O:'Jnnrs' welf£i:�. i'w} ii:�. Fot'�^'r of Ratt:lur_� �ox,�t;ru:;�ion r.�s tn full knowl�dge of' the 35 f':�o� rulw, .az:a �ona=y�;�::;tl;;, th<, probi�?ns o,` �JL1j..�C��1:� Util i:t11:t Z.Ot� l�L1�Y3 �l°,.3 U�:Y'Cil'_::.�!l'1 !Q%° �il ttlE: £:1"'T£. £II1Cl proceed�d to d�^v��lop fh'�� e:ith const-r•uatS.on of r�7idc;nc�^s. Tn 9ff�6CC� fl° COY;9F.ilY.°C: �Q tll" S�E3Cr t?'!.lY. L'Ci�', lOL N.�iS Ll:s�.-`1°.SS t'OT Rotilunc �onet.ruction Com�snti's ^or.str�action p7onr:�r.i :�rhNn h� �urchased thc land f'rom th� Yarr�^r o:vr.grsa Sn P di�ci.ss3_on v�ittz 1�4r. Rotter t�r,o ;,.Arzr: ac*o con:s^�rnii;:� uc:;sibla cer.strvction by hf3 compan� on 1;*.urov�meni;s `:o cu� ho:n�, t:xis ic�ct wa� trou�;nt out. HA m^ntjone3 thaT, t!�n let ur.c�r ttrri l��.v coula not G° Cevelooe� bq his comF.^r.y, and ofrAr�d L-o e�l:� it ta uR tor y;�7uU��,GO. (3i Buildina a hou9^ on tni� small lot ?�ill r,nus^ �on�T^stica to thc imn-diate r:r?�a, �,na rt�ducP th� q�:alit;y ar.d .•^�:ze ol othsr hom�s in th^� ar�a, :uhatev�r• �,-r. :ottc-r's obi�etiori� it �4oula b� im�possible to get a definittv� pict��°A oi' ti:� er.=uct r,f'i'-ct of con=truction on the im�ediat� ar^,a rtithout Yeein; L'h� eonstructian pis�ns fcr developrent af' t::is lc�t. 'i'his alr,�: shou2c atso incluc� sit;c pinns of existir�; constr�uctien on lo�� borc-rin� Lot 4, Blocic 3, Bourueaux'� Spring Brook �+cidiiion (paii;culurly iacSn; r,nd aaj::�inJ.n�), c.o that n co,i;�.'.rte picture of i:l1n ccnsequ��nces oY t.r� ;;ouncil's d-cision in tnls raacter caula b� tied," 'i'tis lotter tiv�ia elpned b� John r+nd Florence �+alton. _ nT0 i TON by y 1 ob.i°ction as vote, All b- 1� second� rt Oi' t�1° tig ay o . d b; Gcb-.l� to accn�t thr. 1-tt-r of' mir��t9� oi th� m^atin�r, t>on a voica motion cari�ind. F'RIDLPY /:i'YL;i�LS CUCrli�'1ISSIOP! P11�,'l+'.TING rn�:i=tCH 9� 197Fi - PAJI's 4 , �,� - .� Gr�bol pointed out triat if' I'�ir. Nottar wotild finu c� plan that would �`�}*.ir, within thc 35 foot 9ctback, hA coula �?a aheud r�na build. . �hr3lrtivom?n �+ahlb^rt� �aid the�t wris a v�lia uoini:, �s tha clt,y cc�r.not prevent it 7.f' lt i� ��n�lthin c�de�. SYzR also ex�l�in►d that thin tva� a lU0 fc�nt lut, �w'raich is consi.ocrcd � rarity, anh was quite large. Chc�irwor.t�n uv&hlk°rg r.-ad the f'ol].oc�in�; i�ttpr froru 11iar�-r±r!�t '�:�uJ.rir.e z+nd Jani.cn irim�er� of 81:55 h?�tei utr�M�. "v�h:�n �ae purch:��Md our h��m4 et 8135 huT,h St., v;o ��vere tolcz b3� tnv buildor thar, hous=❑ wc,uld not bc puilt on th� three lot:� �cr��s from us, Sinr,9 thmn tvao houRre3 hav� b^�n built thsr� ana notv a third`( 140. tvc arn ot�pos�d to tF:e building of a hou^�^ on thm lot of 81UU Ruth �treet." SO',� �-, i:�-np„ ea �rir�; �i L' �JA, ZYl? 'c•�j `? � t. r. econr.ed t;•i i'lµm�l t111i^�YiU:': Qf' j;i-i.R m..P'C,li": ni�=t�.an�ecrri�;d, �� to ha��a thF� le4;tsr prtared UJOti P, VO�.Czv L'O{:(°� fAI.7.� Mrs. varr.�y °tfzted thr.t; sre end hcr hu:sband live across Y.hc str�,�:t from t:nis lot, Fnr. th^'�r� main cb,jec.tion ia �n th- 2v fooT. ;rc;tb�ck, buT th�y al:m feli. it 4'aoula lo�.ver tna v�.lue �f' tihn nni=_;hoor'4 homp� as it vrould be :ituat!�a in f'run� of th-irs. i�rRr. Fottcr exnlai.r.ed if' h� �c�v�d tr,m housq b,ckk it �:��ula br^�k up Che vimw in r,h� b�zr,�: y�rC�. He statnd 'na v�as traSns� f;o ±r.x'�ance the i�roP�rty , and va�uld u�e c:s much Io:.�s oT tia� 2U fe�t as poasi:�le, He said he was elso tr;,ing to �xev�•r:t ui�turning th� cr��k, ��Sra. lalton asked if f.ir�. Rc,tt�r coula come uo •��;ith n dif`_"crent d-sign, atid he r�plied hr, coulcin�t build A multi-Zevel h�m� pecause of the s��at�r pro��'lem in tYie t�rnti, Chairworuan '�4ahlber� aaxea i?' tn-re w+�s an3� 1YA� t� datermin� if previou;� constr�uction in thet er-t� ha� c�used t,h� cr�el: to shiPt. h3r. Hola�sn rei�li�u tt:at h� daubtea it had, and thet he felt nr,tiare riad caue,°d the cr�-x to chsngc. liy sr�id thst cc�natructian on thc 1ot ma� tend to m�intain th�^ crcek. Mr. �-mper n�ked if :�r. Hott�r ?lxnnec to do anythin� to mai.ntain the creek bank to prPvent it from er3aing, and '��r. Aotcer ans�nercd he d1d . �?ir, Holaen explained that actually the ?� fert did not incluoe th9 nin� feet of boulevaz�d, so actuatly the hou�e vaauld be 29 fect br�ck r�nd the n�ighborin� hom�a wcro just sli�htly flzrther aneaa. i�r. Cr�rney askad if rdr. Rottcr would buila on tha lot r-garClcas if the variance oaesed or nmt, and hir, iiott�r sald he woultl. Ae exnlained he did not want t� puild � small housc whcrc valuea were higher. H"% 3ASa the 81^.°•A SN&� nice and he wnnt�d te k�ep it that way, Ho wanted to go �r+ith aom�thing that tivaa or�eticul r�nd sn aaaet +o tne nei;hhorh�od. Hc felt th�t since he i� a build�r, he could utilize ttie lot to th� begt. � � FRTDL.t:l iSPYlir1Ly CUt,4.lISSIUN ivI1:;3'PIP1G :S..RCH 9, 1976 - f'AGG 5 3'7 Kpmper stst�d th�t th�;^ 1NA3 a pr.radox--c�nc sct �f' n9lr,hnurs didn't �want th- hous� :n�ved bnck, sinc �n�t:ier :sct of noip,hUore didn�t •r+ant it mov.-d for'�vard. • • IOti b�' Gab�;i= s�coridnd h-. Pla�*. n A vcice voi;�, all b^ir.t; :��e, Chalrva�man '�4ahlbAr�� st-�ted th.�t cn curv.� oi' th� �r^;ur>, it �:�.t�ld �ti11 build a tzuuR.�° :r':.�.ch c�uld b� n"%" b.^, l�uiit i.r.to the br<ck :�oriicn z�r:d Mr. Holden said tP�at �.aould be pos_:ible Lo � el.c�:r, th� oubllc n^urin moticn c�rried. the lot 1��11, foliv'xitt^ the b� ,�t4ntia1l;; Pc3qibl- to NnF pe .�rtich viould +zilc:v it to E1Vti�.Q t,rl^, P,x'�SiCri J?^C:il�'•I:1, sorae er.tc�it on the soutn side of tlie lot. ii�?I."i?'.37' R91k!�C1 fi�I'. +��Zd°21 �"114 O`)l.TtiU.^. i.° �F) ?Vi1P.i: l'dQUiG. il':J��Tl tG th� c.rPs:i SS no�:�ina, wns built c,r ttii?_� i�t, �ind Sf' �:°^° .��culci bC Cl��°Y'1�I'd�'GY: G i t.:IHT� -]Zv7°+'�� if� Yl0 T'At. 2PLY!�' l�'£1�.1 V.. �r C`Ll It7• [r'ir. iiolc=n �..c. ii r.ot�ir�, ,v�.� cons�ruct�sd �i the lot �^ n�i.-;iu::+�:d COIItl.'.1L2�G�. CY'��1.5ii LO �!1* Uf,lt?L 1'�71?.•"n tt',n 1'-'_'f.�7 tT"f.'Tw n1[*':lv �8�.1 into t!1? ;7'�`,4{, .i9 ":�G t.l.°. CP'°�1`_ :1£..°, r1CV^t/ OV'1� f? ')°Y'=C(: Oi t.Cly9r°, ta four �a<<rr, ;ar.d ,vit:1 r.o r�t.s,:;_: i.r:; :•;ull �n^r° �,vculci als� bA cor.tinuud er�=i€�n. Chair�';crosn �:�hlb�rg fiskcC �:r. Rutt�r i.i hs would L� i;�illin; t.> luuk at eth�r Pl«'.s F�.nd du sc<ar, furth�.r checi>inU t� s-e ii s�.r.:- c�:�'?_��ii::c. r��,xld b� arrired �t, and hc :°?li�d t�t: �lr�ady had. H�. �tytnd tiZP hou?g ',eould 'ne�-�� t3 b^ r� s?'-it e;:1tr� bscaus� m;' t:,� r��c�^r p�^c�bleca. +�C f�v`�..�'. ii7n �LiTP QI�'Jbl�`''j 1%l411i.0 fSYI.°t. ':ii�R &�f�ll SYi.n.�.^,'Gti 11'>il.°.", f�.'- $t^t�C� �+'irl°T] j'ui1 °•t"iit �''�t�.tY?� 7.S1tt� Uri�Z£S�xQ.t C3..^,S1i�T1e L=:� ValUtl j.a c�n�ider�bl;� ni�;'�Ar. Chalr+�o:nsn �J�h1b�r� told i:r. Ratt�r i{ h� wou�d likq t3 -xpl:�rc same addStiunul Hltsrn.�tie�3 th�, ��a�rd could tabl•° thF r�QU°st. i�r. ?�cti;sr atat�d he �e�uld prefAr ��me� typn of d-cisian �t t:nis me°ting t� av�id repeci�i-�r.. C?ah-1 st:,t«a tnr=t it �^am-a <�ma uf th- ;}��lc .iust a hcuse nuilt or_ that loL b-�sus•� oY tnr; r,i.c;o vicsv aaici i%ir, ft�,tt-r diu ov;n tri� �ro>ArLy �anu ciia nLVr, : on it, dic��'t war;t �1z�^� hs�a. Sne risht to o'�ila �i�1��.I"vRC'C11�.II :�ia�lne^� 4f�IG °710. .^,e:t.^.UP~'�C1 Qb^.!°WYlfit� i1lIt tl'1! :':1R�I7 CI'1�.^.?1L71Ei wa9 still th•. s-tnack ae tn� lac a�p-��r°d ur.Luild�tY_,le if thc pttitian-r cwulc, r.dt ou.n�a th�: arsr;-:? of �±; ��us�. F(t�I11p�I` 3t3L!Q tMt?G Yl'! Y!:'s9 t1"v11C^.Y'l:�':C: RbBUi: t5i�m UI1I.R�1: l� ii'i^. T'��11�G of a�roperL� own:r t� bu12d csn a piF,c� af" praU-rtS- :��Striin the c�ae ana the Iiac�.rC's aoiiity to iug��y� ac-cinistnr th��t coc- �Nh-n ta-r� ar� hardahip*, ana Z1 the p�rticuiar envlrur.mcnt s+pP'.ur� t0 b� aet-riaratiizg sna if e ho;n� ��a�r� built th�r�o 1t ec�uld pr-v�nt fLrthor arasion eS th� �re�k. ii� atmt-d thst parkinq r+aa no preolem, but there was tn� pms�ibl� a�etnetic ,�robinm cccording to tne n�i�hb�ra. ifil�i RIDL� A?'P'?'r`.LS COi�'f6?ISSIUPl P�IE;3TI1rG ItiiF'>RCH 9� 1976 - i'AGF; Ei a�� 3. PdUTI02d by K��np-rLn°��onct�d b;: Grab^_� 1�t3 n:�pr�vn th^ r�au��t fa�r vari�nc�+. P.Arnp�r �t_�t�d th�a.t if th9 vr�r.tc,nce� ++�^ �pprov^.d thn bzzila�r ahat�ld uttempt t� 5-t t`.i� hz�use ��c'<c as f'ur �� p€��s�ble, �nr. als� builci s�am� tjP� �f' r^tdinina :�rul'�, lnis eva:s accp�tablr: t0 i,ir. Rott�-r. U��wn a vaicp ve�t��, �«uhlba,g, -.:�nb�1 And ii�mper votin� �ye, �'1�m�1 ��tinc� ns��, L-he ��Li�i� :�rrl�d. Cii�ir'x:��wn '.+ahlh�r�; €�t :tnd thrat tiii;� rruula ;e+ ba 1c�r� tha �l.ann3.n� Cnmmj.��ivn un tkle .t'7th �f' S1a�rch, 29"76. T:L�3�'1'lOt+ U'r UFf T�?.i�S - Ciia�Ilt�+l:?N 1�I:T) Va:G:'s CHiiIRli.��i �i�1ti].T':".�I�MF..II �'+'iF'=1.11C%^Sry f1X?1.*.A�.Xl!SG�. i:;.^.f9 t3(S:tl'C'L Yl�Q hA'^Il. Y'?'C1?I"'!R�'aC�� t:f) �',l°.Cl; L' l'i,'72.S.T'it21i_`7 fiIl'.< <I.2!` ; vfl�1.'i7'?1`?il .^.w G'`.1",'� t;f:!?CI�� t? �GPr;t}>••T U� '�t".i^°^T7(� 1,'•.'1?°. �1271P.�Tlry' �'i9:7',1_1.�31.C7] i+,]ouj".:e.Yl? E?'P. �=•.:i3:^.':'3 �.r�� j.y%V� :iZICi j.f:�;Tl?l::f: �"*, tl G3L21.3' �U't.%1:sP:�'.:^fj. -,.°-`7"ib'.'.S tJg� t.i!e; �':}:21."1:1°.;i''.f•47 �'�1�", °T.,`,it,^.Cl 1;i1',:'. ?;.1,°,C{°.°C7. €affie�rn �a�c>ula ba up f€�r re-al�:cti��i :t� Jul;, iH7S. Nomin�tian q�� K,.np-.r t� t�p?�ii3t P,{i��, v,luhln±l°;a a� Cha3.r��ao�ns�n �s h� f��t �h� �HSau c�ainen�ly ��uralif'i�d. Uperx E� v�ic,^, v�ts, �.Ll �!ratin,c� a��'�, Chrzirw�;uc�n 47alslb�rg Fv�s elec��d. I36min�ti>n b5� �1-m!�1 tso appoint iv�r�. ��b�l �s 9.tee Cn�zi.rtiv�:n�n �s 9he h�a ex�-r2r,nc� on t'h%+ Buaa�rd r�,nd �v�:�.s rF��ul�rly �n �T.�enr��re�, Upon 8 Vf7j.CP. Vat"9y :zll �J�G1.1';!� :1�y8� i'r�ll':. :i:'1bR.l 47Et3 �15:;��9C�. g, I`P}3id,Y �t;F'::F�R��'D TO TE3'�.�I CUi,11V:iSSTQN FRUl':T iH3 :L=udI:�CNG ;;O,irli;tIS5ZUS3; Ch^ir�r.�mmr=.n �Vahlb�rg welcea:ned l41ex Fs�rn:� te th� �c�ru�is�idn. HA E°rill �ff'icially takc izi:� paaitimn en i+pril 1, 1y76, She alsu n€rt�*d th.a� Pat Gubel h�d oeon r�-elect^d ta the ��ar;rd. Ch�ir�vozn,:in '+Ys�hll�cr� at:it!°d thr�t since the youtlz «e^e haavin? cenflir,zn am�n� tr,r�m�eiv�s, thz Fridles- Youth Cent-z° p1�t: i� e�.ic�tl�^d tc;ap- •rarily untiil tn�y c=ir. a�r�e e�n mrie cc%nce�t< � � Chair��rm�a�n 'sV�hlb9rg inf':�rmAd th� Com.:iiqaian th+:t tha P;arks and R.:rr°:+tie�n Cemmissi�an nr�m�e� �?s+rk aft^, GJ.�sn 'P12�n¢pumn. Shc al�o stated t�era �n'er'� nin^; unncamna pr.rks in thh c5.t} at tihi� tim�, •.nd P�rka ar.a H�cr�:�ti¢n is o�licitir.; r.amus fmr r,hes� p.�r�-c9, SL2�r��;stie+ns for names ahoula �� tar eith�r �i�air��vamcn 'YV�hlbnrr� or ��4r:^. ��=�h-1, 1'Jith rof^ranee to the Cempr�liei1aive H�usin? Pian, Chalr.v�aman rYahlkxr� s�id the Cit; has mactr. un A�piic�ti�n ta tl�A 1�tatr� Cauncll Jor v�5U,u00 te he un�d fer n nunb°r c�f nrsj�cts aatlincd in the Comprah�nsive rlauainr� Ylcn. Sh� tala tMn Board t?�at ;.'[rs. �xb�l hr+s b�en stuay in� tn�, plaan ana otner ,aentb<r- ar� tvelcame ta l�ek Rt it. • Shn n�rt�d tnat i.� the application th:�t wnn msae, the vir,w 4YC.a vnry c�m�lim�nt�ry towc�rd thc ataff, ana the Clty •!'Frlalay rec�ivad t�p ra�tinga. F'I3IDL��Y :u'i'1;�sLS COt4i�15SIUi� 1�iCL`1'Ii1G I.i,iRCFi J� 1'd76 - PkG; 7 Ch�irv�o.nnin 2�ahlbhrq caia th:<t 1n ref!-r°nce t� �U9vest�nni9nt of Lhn b.1:�aS:se.i�F�1 kivor, S.t tiaa �ridloy join Sn tnn �ritical rirea LevelaPment ADJOUliNP.��,TvT: the �ritica.t ��rr.az ba�n rapproved �n�t praject. I,`:JTItJid n-,� ?.I�r�;til, ;unCed r:� i��.n�w'r Yo �aj�-urn Y.}ie ;�;-��t,inr e31' . _ —x_. thP nn -.Lr, :f;��lt.: ..;;r �,.� .i� �•'.i +�i J�u7n a vui,;9 vc>t-, �.il vu+:in� 1� °, � til�...'�4'J1Jt7 l:?�.I"_'1.';Cl. �� R- °p-c �f=alis: .ubn;i bt.P3, �� . , -, l; ��:Gt..,.r�' � � ; l:; i , -; � J 5hgrrl Otu3nn^.11 Recerdlnr S^.crmt^r�y � n �9 _ �,.-., . � OFFICIAL �OTICE CI7Y OF FRIULEY PU6LIC IIEARIFJG BEFORE TIiE PLAP�t�ItdG CO;��iISSION TO WHO�r IT t4AY CO�dCER17: Not'ice is hereby yi��en that there vii7l-be u I'u51ic H�ariny by ihP P7annirg Coirunision of ihe City of Fr•irile,y in the City Nall at 6437 Ui!ivr; sity F,venue P;ortheasi, on l;ednesda,y, Pebrua:°v i&, 1976 at 7:30 P.hi, i7 the Council C.har�ber to consider tl�e fo7lv��rino mai.ter: F rec,uest ror a Special Use Permits SP i;75-G?_, by Ply�voori hiirrieseta, fnc., ta construc� a 1C fQO* b;,+ 30 ficot billboaru in hi-2 "Loning (hea;�,y �I�OUSLI'7['il �u�tas), to designate tl�ie eni:�°ar•ce to Piy!aood iiinnesoia and !�?;ckes. 7his bil �board Wl�� rep1�C8 eXlStill� r�on-confarn,ir�g signs� �°i" Fridley Ciir Cou" Secticn 21G.0?2, located on Lot 9, Block 1, Great Nortiiern Ii;d��stria; reriter, all lying in th� South Half of $eCilort 2?_. "-,s0. � R-24� Ci,+y of �ridle��, County cf t!nokay ;a,;^n°sr,t.a. � Generally located at 5301 East Riuer Road I�.E. � Anyone vrishing to be heard in referes7ce to tne aba;�e m:.;;ie,� v�ill be heard at this meeting. RICIIP,RD ?i. !il;i:�2�:5 CHG� I R?,;:,,i�i PLitPlN:hi6 COi �ui.°iST_uP; Pub7ish: Febriiary 4, 1976 February 11, 1976 .., �� . . '�"'^e,,•. ._ � ca.TY or ra�n�.i:v .�uNNr:sa�rn PLA�;NIIdG A14D ZONING PORM HurTnr:a_�p s��-n� APPLICAN7''S S.iGn,4'ruRii P1Ywood Minnesota Address 5401 East River Road N.E. Telephone NumLer 571-6100 PR�JPL'R'PY OlV\TR`S SIGNA"fURT.i Surlington Northern Railroad Address Telephone Nwnber Street Location of Property �1 TYPE OF RliQtlES1' aezoni»g x Special Use Permit Approval of Prem�n- inary �, Final P1at Strcets or Alley Vacations Other ree 25 aeceipt No ��y__ Legal Description of Property Lat 9 iil�b 1��rPat Nnrtfi rs jn�� c+rj�'_�;��g�_ Present Zoning Classification M-2 Existing Use of Property_�cant Acreage of Property Describe Uriefly the proposed �oning classifica�3en or type of use�and improvement proposed co�struct a new hillboard to be used as an entrance sign for Plywaod Minnesota and Wickes replace wooden sign_._` � lias the present applicant previously sought to rezone, piat, obtais+ a ioi split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes no. IVhat was requested and when? - The undersigned underst�nds tliat: (a) a list of all residents and o�•m ers of proi%erty within 300 feet (350 f.eet for rezoning) ;aust be attached to this applicr.tiou. (b) Tliis application must be signed Uy all owners o£ the property, or an expl:�natio�i given i��hy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect i�t t}�� proceedi:�as resulting from tlle. failw�c to list tl�e names and adclresses of all resiJent� and pre�perty oa�ners o£ property in question, belongs to the unJersigned. A skeY.ch of proposed property and structure roust he dramn and attached, shn�eing tl�e follatai.ng: 1. North Dircction. 2. Location of proposed structure en ihe lot. 3. Dimensions of properfy, proposed structure, and frant and sidc sct6acks. �. Street �ames, S. I.ocat�on and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (iaithin 3G0 feet) 'f'lre undersigned liereUy declares that all Ylie facts and represcntaCions stated in this �PPlicatim: are true ancl correct. DA7'L � n.�t� r•�ioa SIGNA7'URG (API�L1CnN1') Eugene Hunt Dnte of Ilcari Plamiing Commission Approved City Coimcil Apl�rovcd (datcs) Dcnicd � (dates) I)eniecl, `-Z /N e SO #76-02, Plywood Mn Planning Commission 2-3-7 Ma4ling List � Burlington Northern 176 East 5th Street St. Paul, Minnesota 55101 s � GTE Sylvania , Inc. 5330 Industrial [31vd. N.E. Fridley, Mn 55A21 Wicks Furniture 5601 East River Road N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 - Plywood Minnesota 5401 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 �� r SP # 76-02 Sign Location: 5301 East River Road N.E. � Owner: Plywaod Minnesota, Inc. SI6N INFORMATION 1. Heiqht (25') 20' 2. area (300) 300 square feet � 3. Distance 6etween Signs (500') over 500' 4. Setback From Street Right-of-way lines {30') 50' �{*5. Distan,:e From Street Intersection {500'� 5�` #*6. Distance from R-1 Uses (500') 380' 7. Condition Status (All Metal) Metal 8. Zoning {C-25, M-1, M-2) M-2 i* Non-Conforming to existing ordinance ** Non-Conforming to zoning requirements # Variance applied for .� �3 �� ., � M/ � b r.� `�� /° r , b v, . � ,s£� � � C�j � � �� . N � 1 �� _ � - ;� 4 � • � . � J �N`�`�` � . , ((�''�� ,1' '.-'. , . �,y � � �. �1 .. y.sri:�. �i ` i � � � � �s • ,� � � . . � '� .. � � f� ;� , � �:.� �.. SP �76-02 Piywood Minnesota . J q ��T � . _ , ,. } R�� , ... -�w�� ! LZ �C1��' . . � e,`.,, i L 2� yi}11��5 �` � � �''� 0 � � � ; t �� 1 , i ,j � � , � ,°' � /r , � ,� . �4 . O N • N ' t� �;80 �gf , 1 , , '� ~ --` ,�; : L ij` , -� � —�_, � ',. :, .o` 8 ;:`__ ' � � ��" _� . - . �1..`� � - /y/'j� . .. � . 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'"/ f � % � � = /� , �. ,, , iji ; � :, �y /f . ` r:� / .�Ah / S '` • 1 �Gi+ :� / /� � �/ - �� / �' I %i � � � � l �� - ' .. : ' r � u� ' � � r`'—, .' / f�-' .. - 40 . . .� . .. .. .. . iJ.'�-." . �f .,._ � .. �✓^��` . -,_ . �-, � � e � SP #76-02, Plywood Minnesota ��, ��,��`1 �3i 1.ci` � i3 �� '� €� �'.:�� i.. � - �� '�v�� ! H+71'1:7F2<�S3Ysar7i'�s'. � . �'ii . ;n O h e O P �v J �� MEMO T0: ! MEMO FROM: DATL: U i R.N. Sobiech, Public tiYorks Director Tom Colbert, Assistant City Engineer March 2, 1476 SUBJECT: Gomments on Traf£ic Flow for East River Road and 53rd Way Per your request, contact was made with Anoka County regarding the signing rec{uest be£ore the Planning Commzssi.on by Plywood Minnesota, Inc, If a directional sign were approved on East River Road, it should be placed at.the most southerly entrance to the Indusx- rial Park (51st Avenue). It could not contain the name of any businesses a,�d would most probably be a°PFrontage Road" directional type sign sized according to the specifications in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. The County:,also stated that it would be beneficial ta start directing traffic to this common intersection at the southern end. As t2�is Industrial Park continues its development, it is feasible and probable that future traffic demands will require the removal of the 53rd Avenue intersection and signalization of Slst Avenue. To place the directional sign at the intersection of 53rd Avenue is not recommended by the County. for the added reason that this intersection is already restricted in turning movements during certain periods of the day. � TACJjm �? z `� OFFICIAL PdOTICE CITY 0� fRIDLEY PUBLIC HEA2IPIG BEFORE THE PLANtJII�G COi�1MISSTON TO WtIOM IT MAY COPlCERN: Piotice is hereby given that there viill be a Public Hearing of the Planning Comrnission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University livenue Mortheast on 4;ednesday, March 3, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.hl. for the purpose of: Consideration of a proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. #76-01, Tnnsbruck Nort.': Toc•mhouse IV and V Addition, by Dari°el A. Farr Development Corporation, being a replat of Outlot H, Innsbruck PJorth Acidition, all }ying in the 5outh Half of Section 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, P7innesota. Generally located South of Innsbruck North To�,anhouses, Phase I, II and III. � Anyone desiring to be heard r+ith reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Publish: February lII, 1976 February 25, 1976 .� RICHARD H. HARRIS GHAIRMAN PLANNING COI�1f4ISSI0PJ �`7 �- _ � Nuriusa �� . �� 76-0 / crr�� or• r•�irn�,eY hnhn�esoTn PId�NNI1�G AND ZQi�ING rORhf APPLIC/�'�'1''S SIC,NA7�RL ��<�� itr�- �Pri��P�ratn� �%+'p. Add7•ess a8/p ea. ,�d /O //'1�/s lf'ln. SS430 Tclephone Numbcr_ 3(�O B//O PIt01'HRTY 014NER'S SIGNAI'UR� �'Ui+-ie os et�oeiG- Address Telephonr NumUcr Street Locatior. of Praperty Legal Description of Property �� rY�c or aeQvesl� Rezmiing _ Special Use Pei�ni.t __�_ n1�Pr�l'al of Premin- inary fi Pinal Plat Streets or Allcy Vacations �i�._ Other -. ._„ :,: :; ; =. � r«, r.�. � _ ree�,o P��teceipt No. ''.;(,�f. 1 3i� ��!`-'�'4:L.=--' . . .. Present Zoning ClassiFi.cation ,�".� _ Lxistina Use of Prop�rty ifrr.l�v�/�ec� Acreage of Property_ l� Describe Uriefly the proposed zoning c]assification or type o£ use and ir�iprvvement proposed /00 %peu.o�0�/JGS �lias the present applicant previouslr sou�ht to rezone, plat, oUtain a lot split or variance or sPeci.al use permit on tlie subject site or part of it? � yes no. INitat �aas requested and ��hen? _ . _ The wldcrsigned undcrstands that: (a} � list of alI residents and oianers of rroperty witi�in 300 feet (550 feet for rezonin�) must he atYached to this application. (b) 77�is aprlic�t�on must be signed b�• all ormers of the property, or an explanaTion gi.vcn �ahy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility.for any defec� in t3ie proceedi_ngs r.esulting £rom thc failure to list U�e narnes and addresses of all residents and property oierers of property in qucstion, Uelongs to the undersigned. A sl:etch of �roPo,ed property a��d structure niust be drawn and attaclied, shoiaing tl�e following: 1. i'crth Di.rection. 2. Location of proposcd structu�'e on tl�e lot. 3. Dimensions of property, propo_=.ed struct�irc, and front and si-de setUacks. A. Street name:.. 5. Locati.on attd use of adjacent eaisting buildings (��itiiin 300 £ecti. 7'fie t:ndersi�ncd I�ereby declares that all the facts and represenYati.ons staLed in tliis upylicati.on arc truc and cc�rrcct. _ DA7'� J�2. �SIGhATURE � ,�� 'PLICAN'C) � 'Jatc filcd Datc of iicari Planning Comniission Approved {dai:es) f7eni.cd City Council Approvcd (dates) Deiiicd � � • ,� �9 Planning Commission � � �f �7 Council MAILTPJG LIST P.S. �t76-Ol INN56RUCK NORTH TOWfJiiOUSE IV & U ADDITION DARREL A FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION � Darrel A. Farr �evelopmen�Corporation Mr. & Mrs. Donald Oimstead � 271Q County Road 10 5522 Meister Road IV.E. Minneaplis, Mn 55430 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Powers 1613 Berne Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Billman, Inc. 151 Silver Lake Road New Bri9hton, Mn 55112 Plr. & Mrs. Roger Blohm 1605 Berne Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Paul Williams i601 Berne Road N.E. Fridley, f4n 55432 Mr. & t4rs. James Durand 1553 Berne Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, John 6ecker / 5521 East Qavarian Pass N.E. Fridley, h�n 55432 Gary W. Odegaard � 5519 Easi Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Stephen Tollison 5538 Pieister Road N.E. � Fridley, �+In 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Paul Leibman � 5534 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Ain 55432 Alice M. Shaughnessy � 5530 hteister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Susan P. Sisson 5526 Meister Road N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Arlandson � 5529 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harry Zook / 5518 P1eister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 T,f�,; e i7�o ��y Mr .&--M�s:—Kent-.Koch 5514 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Cargill ,� 5510 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Robert K. Nygaard 5522 West Bavarian Pass N.E.`� Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Spielvogel � 5514 West Bavarian Pass NE Fridley, P1n 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gregory Kline � 5510 West Bavarian Pass N.E. Frildey, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Eric Duncan 5506 West Bavarian Pass N.E! Fridley, hin 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Petzold / 5502 West Bavarian Pass N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Merme & B�rbara Bonnel l 5538 West 6avarian Pass N.E. '� Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. G Mrs. Peter Kozlak � 5534 West Bavarian Pass N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Allen A. Tighe � 5530 West Bavarian Pass N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Lee Bartlett 5526 West Barvarian Pass N.E.'� Fridley, Mn 55A32 • n Mailing List Page 2 P.S.�76-01 INNSaRUCK N6RTH TOYJNHOUSE IV & V ADDITION Donald P. Yaeger ,/ 5535 East Oberline Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Adelynne M. Tuttle ;/ 5531 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. 4Jilliam Carlson � 5527 East Oberlin Circle N.E.` Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Ptrs. Clarence Anderson f 5523 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Beth L. Mullinax 5519 East Oberlin Circle N.E.`� Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Vance 5515 East Oberlin fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Ronald 5511 East Oberlin Fridley,.Mn 55432 �,�wson Circle N.E� Mr. & Mrs. Thomas 1565 South Oberlin Fridley, Mn 55432 Hedstrom � Circle N.E. Kellenberger � Circle N.E. Mr. & Mrs, Andre�o Kociscak 1561 South �berlin Circle N.E.`� Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Mark Stohlberg '� 1557 South Ober1in Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Larry Krause 1549 South Oberlin Circle N.E.'� Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Thomas 1537 5outh Ober7in Fridley, Mn 55432 Tayl or � Circle N.E. �� Mr. & Mrs. Oscar 7hompson 1564 South Oberlin Circle N.E. � fridley, Nin 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Wesley Markson 1560 South Oberlin Circ•le N.E.'� Fridley, PM1n 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Charles Stein 1556 South Oberlin Circle N.E.'� Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Elmer Koester ,l 1552 South Qberli� Circie N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Jerry Meaders 1548 South Oberlin Circle N.E.'` Fridley, Mn 55432 Renella Thoinas 1544 South Oberlin Circle N.E. ✓ Fridley, Mn 55432 Patricia Gault 1540 South Oberlin Circle N.E. / Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. �ames Lukaszewski 1536 South Oberlin Circle N.E.'� Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Charles Franke 5529 East Bavarian Pass N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Steven Kessel 5525 East Qavarian Pass N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 ✓ Mr. & Mrs. Rajagopaliyer BalasubramanianShirley A. Dickey 1545 South Oberlin Circle N.E. 5531 East Bavarian Pass N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Donald Kisslinger ,/ Robert Yanicke •� 1541 South Oberlin Circle N.E. Minneapolis Field Office Fridley, Mn 55432 8200 Normandale Blvd. Minneapolis, Mn 55437 '..q �' y JNIv ; ,�« � �.;�,-. ': s ; ��_, E �.�::>;:.>. ;, .r,.� � . 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' F . .. . r� . �, � "`.. C., � " �r� �;' f �3 y I�:. ` n ••w� � �. � � \•� ... � .'( .. 1:. . .... .... i �',�y ----- -- - - -. . . . . . _ .�.. �� n `y :.d ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT ON PRELTMINARY PLAT AND T04JTdN0USE PLAN FOR � INNSE3RUCK NDRTH 70W��HOUSE IV & V ADDITION General Description The preliminary plat and townhouse plan for Innsbruck North Townhouse IV and V Addition is for the construction �� 100 townhouse units grouped in two unit clusters. There a m 46 units in the IV Addition with a total density of 5.1 units per acre, and 5A units in the U Addition with a total density of 6 units per acre. The units have two basic plan layouts that can range from 1 to 5 bedrooms, depending on the desired use of the owner. The units are well designed units that fit the design scheme of the area. The road and utility system wi11 be developed as a private system under the ownership of the existing Townhouse Association. West Bavarian Pass and Meister Road will be 30' roads and all others in the two additions will be 20.'. Each unit will have 4 parking spaces (two inside and two outside}. There will be one tennis court and one tot lot provided on Association property for use of all 5 townhouse plats. There will also 6e i�terconnecting trails with lighting provided �•lithin both additions so as to provide easier access to a common recreatio� building. • En�cineerin We don't foresee any Engineering problems with these addition at this time. The utilities will require further review for correct size and placement. There is oniy one road section which would have excessive grades (approximately 10%) however, it still will most likely meet requirements and alternative means of access and egress are avai1able. Environmental There will be a considerable amount of tree removai, ho�aever, they will be removing only those trees necessary for construction and will leave as natural an area as possible. They have shown this concern in the previous three townhouse additions. Stiaulations: 1. Easement for public trail adjacent to neighborhood park. 2. Plan specifications for streets and utilities are to be submittedl to the City for approval. 3. Off-street parking of 4.j� stalls per unit be provided on those , units fronting the 24' streets. 4 spaces shall be provided t�ith each iridi6idual unit, the additional spaces should be provided in aclose proximity to the affected units. 4. Darrel A. Farr Developme�t Corporation will provide recordable legal documentation notifying purchaser that there will be no noise buffer Innsbruck Narth Townhouse IV & V Additions Page 2 � provided from interstate traffic noise. 5. Trail development and trail lighting will be completed with landscaping of adjacent units. 6. One tennis court will be provided on Association property and will be completed by 7. One tot lot will be provided on Association property in Innsbruck North Tewnhouse TV & V Additions, and will be completed by S. Require standard performance bond for exterior development (paths, lighting, tennis court and tot lot) of 50�0 of the anticipated cost. . � 53 i1 LJ OFPICIAL PlOTICE CTTY UF FRIDLEY PU[SLIC }IEARIP;G t3EI-0RE TFif PLAI4P�I�JG CU'rli•1ISSIOPI TO WNOt•1 TT i�'�tY COPlCERiV: f�otice is hereby given that thei-e aril7 be a Public Nearinc} of the Plannirty Con�nrission af the C�it.�� of Fridley in the Ci�y Natl at 6G3i Uni�tersity Avcnue i;ertfreast on 14'ednesday, i�arch 3, 1976 in the Council Cha�i�er at %:30 P.t-i, for the �urpose oi : Cons�deraticn cf a propesed P;��iminary l�lat, P.S. �" 76-02, Im�sbrs:ck Village .1dd�ition, by Darrei A. Farr Develop�ent Ccrporation, beii�g a replat cf Qutloc Q, Tnnsbruck Ncr�h Addition, aler,g wiih Lot 49, er,cepf the 4desterly 21(3 ieet, A�1d:tor`s 5ubdivision P+o. 92, ali-lying in Seciio7 2�E, T--30, t2-24, Cit�� of Fridle� , Couniy of Anoka, l�l2nriesota. Generally 7ocated North af tJor•t11 Innsbruck Drive �.E. and 4;est o� the ¢lack F�rest Apartment. � Aryone desiring to be heard ti�iith reference to the above mattei• will be heard at ti�is meeting. � Publish: February lII, 19?b february 25, 1976 RICHARD H. N.�RRIS Cha i r;nan Planning CommSssion : <'$. ��, uu,,meic�� fl 'If,� �- Cl:'I'Y OI� I�RJI�I.I:Y n�invrso•rn PI.AtdNiNG ANU ZOP�ING I��RM � N'PI,Sf,�;J7''S SIG\,1TUI.li�//!R' �=t /-� !/',�'� �/EcfecV'iJiGn/i `Ci�^Pe naa�-�s, ?.,5'/n C'o �?v. /l) /f%i�� %� ,�'.s'��o Telephwtc Numb,:r aj1�0 _ �/C� � PROPL'R'C'i O;t'i�LR'S SIGN:I;UI?!i j�� (�.o�. Address 7'elep?ione Numbrr Strc�t Loc.eiion of 1'roucr� Y t� �_i J T� ee or ��i:Quti:s r }2czonin� Speci-al. Usc Pcrmi.t X ApProval of Prer+in- inary $ Pinal Plat Strcets or Al1cy � Vacations -� ();�.YeY %vw.c: i+c��L NG"�`'�'° ��' �:� , c� r��1.au r«��,.��t r,�o. ��c i� __Zp n` `��"i'-�Sic.cw - +' -r , ., �_viv/"+-«"'"" " �7 .. J,C4T,.11 �CSC1'11)T.1011 Of !'IO�II'.l't.t� �/C,T/.OY %� � ...L/TJ75t�.�-U(/C. !F'T/-f ' L�-r 'i`/ cxr��T� c-_,�-��Fr�,� . 2�0' fluo S.b �i2. 9vl k-3 � Prescnt ZOill710 C:ass_£ica�ion ie'% �-/ Existing Use of Property �%/J['ui✓T _ Aercage of Propert,v I�/ae. _ DescriUe Ui�iefly the proi osed zonirg classificati.on OT l)']7C Of IISC .'.RCL J.PifJTOVC:]➢CCt }1i0r'OSCCI jp� �C?L�/NHGU>(?�; —� GNt7d C�CC!P� � 'T .Flas the prese.it applicant previoisl;� scught tn rezone, p1aY, oUiain a ioc split oi var.'�ance or sp�cial ��se permi-t on tLe suUject site or part of it? �' ves no. 1�91at rcas reques ce1 and whcm? _ _ __ _ The undersigned imder,tands that: (al a list of all resi_�ents and o;aners c� pro,,erty within .i00 Yeet (350 fer.t for rezoning) raust bc attached to this applicatinn. (b) Tltis apylicatioii must be signed hy all oianers oi the propert;✓, or an expl•^�:;:G�?�•� give�i �cii;' this is not thc case. (c) Responsibility for an;r defect �.�i tlie pr:ce�di:_gs resulting irOIP. the fail�n�e to Iis� tl.e names an1 addresses of all re�iderts a�d property o�,�icrs of property in question, bclongs to the undersigned. A sfietch of proposed property and structin•e must be drai.n a•,d atitaclied, sho��i_ng thc following: 1, i�ortli I)irertion. 2. t.ocation of proposed structi:re on the lot. 3. Dimcnsion�. o: property, proPoscd structi�rc, and froni and siue setbocks, 4. Strcct \.�mes. 5. Location and use of ndjacent cxisting buildiii��s (t�ricitin 3GG .ect.i. Thc undcrsi�ncd hcreby dccl:�res th.t all the far.ts and representations stated in this application arc true and corrcct. . DA1'ti �y� ! 2�� 4 7 �a ST GNA'1'URC I�`�,�y�`S:_.`�� sycr�yy� (L._/� (ni>i�i.icn�; i�) � Date Fi1ed patc of Itcari Plannin� Commission Anprovc;l (daLcs) Dcnicd City Cnuncil Ap��rovccl (�:atcs} llcr,icd �".' � � Mailing List P.S. N7G-02, by Darrel A. Farr Corp. INNSQRUCK VILLAGE Innsbruck Idorth Associates 2II10 County Road 1Q Minneapolis, t�ln 55430 Darrel A. Farr Development Corp. 2810 County Raad 10 Minneapolis, ;�n 55430 Janet G. Hoffineyer �C`'„`rr�``f ,�z593--[�st--Ober7in._Circle ii••�'�r:,� t.�r,�:� Fridley, h�n 55�32 �,�;,L,t� s��i�, t�ir. Y< f�irs. Hilr:.r Fei°I<ingstad 5589 East Oberl�n Ci�°cle PI.E. Fridley, Mn 55�32 Katherine� i�t. Nolum 55F35 East Qf;er}in Circle N.E Fridley, P,i� 55432 Sid E. Qei°quam 5573 Gasi: Uberlin Ci�-cle iJ.E. Fri�iley, I�in 55�3? Mr. & t4rs. Edr:ard Letfiei�t 1567 North G6erlin Circle N.E Ft•i<]�ey, f,;z 55432 Mr & t�rs. HnP!"�� Wiclstrom 1553 Noi°Ch Obei�lin Circle N.E Fridiey, I�n �5;32 Tinrotrty Pt. Jacke 1559 Pdo'rth �:l�er�1in Ci�°cle IV.L. �r•idlcy> P'n 55432 ,r. S Pirs. t'arvir i?. �rd;��:an 555 P!orth Ob:•rlin Ci�°cle P1.E_� ridley, Fin 55437_ r. & f-n-s. Clarence I��rris 54� Mort:h Oberlin Ci;c:ie t1.E. ricile,y, Iin 5543? �uis❑ 11. I;icharcisuii ��47 t1orl.h Oi>erlin Ci;•cle �V.E.� ~idlcy, f�hi 55432 riunniny �unmin�iun ..� r-�, ,•.� Council Mr. & i�trs. Charles hloore 1539 Worth Oberlin Circic N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & f�rs. Merle Grimmer 5571 Waldeck Crossing td.E. Fridley, h1n 55432 P1r. £� Pirs. Fredrik Schiotz 5567 4Jaldeck Ci°ossing N.E, Fridle,y, hin 55432 Mr. & Idrs. Robert Tufford 5563 4faldeck Grossing N.E. fridley, i4n 55fi32 �1r. & f�rs, Theodore Thompson 5554 I�,aldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, iin 55�}32 Mr. & I^rs. AlUert P7i71er 5555 4laldeck Ci°ossing W.E. Fridley, h1r, 55432 P1r, & 14rs. �ohn Lindstrom .5551 ;da1deck Crossing f�.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mary Desla�miers 5570 bia7deck Crossing N.E. Fridlcy, P1n 55432 Margaret Hale 5566 l�laldeck Ci-ossing N.E. Fr•idley, f�1n 554.;2 Mr. & A1rs. Narris Sonnenberg 5562 lJaldeck Crossing PJ.E.. Fridley, Ph� 55432 hii-. R Fh�s. .)ames i{ul6ert 5553 4;aldecl: Crossirg N.E. Fridle,y,, P}n 55432 P1r. & f•irs. R'ic:hard Peterson ';,5�! 'Jn1 Jcck Cro�s i ny N. E. tTridiey, 14it 55132 � Pir. T� Ftrs. Terry Andcrsun 55'r0 iJaici��c4: Cro�;si�i�g N.E. �ridlcy> �1n 55432 � �� 11ailing List tp�9� �) p.S. N76-02 IPJfdS[3RUCf: VILLAGc DARREL A fARR U[VEL01'��i[NT CORP. Mr. & P1rs. Duane Jolmson � 1526 f3ornhof Junction Fridlcy, h1n 55A32 � � Mr. R ifi°s. Vernon Rose 15?_2 P.vi°nhof Junction N.E. fridley, t'�n 56432 Judith 11. Leino 1518 L',ornhof J�,ictio+i Fridley, t�n 55��32 hir. & (1rs. J. P1ichael [rtel 1514 3ornLof Junction L.E. Fridley, I;n r5y32 f:arren 5. Anderson 1570 Gohr�hof Junction Fridley, t��n 55�i32 PQr. & P1rs. 6,ayne Gennan � 150'v (;ornhof Junction W.E. Fridley, bin 55'+32 Janice Root �i556 fsnrCh Ober-lin Circle N.[. Frid1ey, 1•tn 55432 t1r. & f�1rs. f:odc�er Erick.�on 15G2 North Obe��lin Circle Pl.F F��idle,y, P1n 55432 D�rr�ese flerm�.n 1553 fdortl� C!;r��-lin Gi�°cle N.E Fridiey, Pin 55h32 Air. & tirs. La�;�rerice Ci^olla 1554 P;orth Oberli�i Ci�•cle P;.E Fl•idle�, hin 55�132 h"r. & Ph-s. Dennis Poy 1550 ��oi•ih Obcrl'in Circic tLE. fridley, I•tu 5!;43? �ijt�, i llii�`� 11 ?.7hirc�. �JIrv'�.5 A?r. Fx I�r.s__�ilGart-Rinm•i:�en 15�16 i�dorth Oucriii� Circle N.E Fr•ic11�p, Iht 55�1�2 JuYc.e :. Lcnriicr� 15�1'L ivort:h 0'��crlin Circic PJ.E r�-,��oy, r�„ ��;�;1 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Minton 153F3 North Obcrlin Circle Fridley, hin 55432 Norman Hectner & Grace tdestrich 5569 [ast Oberlin Circle N.E. i�ridley, Mn `5432 Mr. & P1rs. Eugenc German 55G5 East Obci-lin Circle N.E. Fridley, l�1n 5Ci432 i Donald Olson 559� 1leistei� Road hLE. / Fridley, Mn 55432 Herbert 6. Holtz 5590 Pieisier Road td.E. %� Fridley, Pfi 55432 Mi-. & P1rs. Daniel lJill ie� 55II6 Pleiste�° Ro�d fJ.E. Fridley, h1n 55432 i�r, & i>1rs. Marl; Ki°uegei° 55&2 :�;ei ster Ro<id tJ. E. Fridley, h1n 55�32 Mr. & Mrs. Thomas L�ndstromi 557F3 P1eister Road P;.E. fridley, h1n 55432 hir. F� h1i°s. h1arshall Ginthner, 5574 (=teister Road N.E. Fridley, hfi 55432 P1r, & Mrs. f4ichael �ergcr' 5570 tfeistci- Road t�.E. Fridley, Pin ;5432 Peter J. Y,ozT�1k, Jr, , 55u6 hieiste�• Road fJ.E. � Fwidley, P1n 55432 Pir. F+ P1rs. Ronald Ruinpsa 14&1 North Inrubruck Drive �d.E. f�'lcllcy, htn 55432 hh,. 8 hirs. Orlin 4lic4s 1�1J5 Worth innshruck Drive iJ.E Fridley, htn S�i�32 ,,,,�„ _ Mailing List Page 3 P.S. �76-02 INNS6RUCK VILLAGE � Robert Yanicke Minneapolis Field Office 8200 Normandale Dlvd. Minneapolis, Mn 55437 Cheryl L. Nybo 5588 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gary 5amuel 1479 North Danube Road NE Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Idrs. James Johnson 5657 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, �dn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Olson 5643 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Veryl enler 5529 No _�anube Road N.E. Fridl�; t� 55432 ' � Mr. & Mrs. Myron Swenson 1496 Korth Innsbruck �rive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Bernard Urbick 5837 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Michael Berchin 5829 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Jacob Wiens 5809 Arthur Street N.E. 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S.Tr, P::ve r.ou �•,°b secl.ic-cd 1:1s: :.ctro»c,l5.t:n Cou;:�il c:,:��:�ents on tlii„ piopo�u:L t�� .,, ;ln r.ei :::r;:ici.p:zt� cny :�^joi° obJ��cLin�s. i��.(:^SC :llia")7.v '].T1�U1^.�1't:iC:: Y'i::fl1C3%CL �.hDNQ u0 oG:�j.:�'t. V.3 1R f�Eii.i79171- J.IIj� li1C I�Ei1SlUa�_;L��S' O�� 1.iU.:7 J�2`Oj`CE�'tl... $�IIC Cf C�..� f �L'I'lO"71:3 2� . i C'C�`T2: ;/ �1xiaJ i::LT'CC'i3O�' T:nc1o&uro ccs ✓1): rrc:7. CirY'� VeLc�'..�na isc,a;.niaLrntion ,-�; -rr�- � M � ADMINISTRFtTIVE STAFF REPORT ON PRELIMINARY PLAT AND TOWNHOUSE PLAN FOR INNSBRUCK VILLAGE General Description r The preliminary plat and townhouse plan for Innsbruck Village is for the construction of 100 units grouped in 4 unit clusters. The units are well designed units that fit into the design scheme of the area. West Bavarian Pass will be a public street with private spurs off of it to serve cluster units. Each unit is provided with 2 stalls (1 garage and 1 outside space.) These units will be smaller and provide a lower range value of purchase units. Engineering We don't foresee an3 engineering problems with this plan. However, all utilities will require further reviev� for correct size and placement. The standard residential road section if 36' for pubiic residential road. There may be need for some size adjustment for the proposed West Bavarian Pass. . Environmental: There will be a considerable amount of tree removal, however, they will be removing only those trees necessary for construction and will leave as natural an area as possible. They have shown this concern in the previous three townhouse additions. Stipulations 1. Plan specifications for streets and utilities are to be submitted to the City for approval. 2. Additional dedication of property to the City adjacent to the Innsbruck North Park is desirable to the City and Darrel Farr. 3. Two tennis courts will be built by the developer on public park property (location has not yet 6een determinedj. 4. Deed to the City, Innsbruck North Park, before any plat approval or building permits are issued. 5. Road design on West Bavarian Pass must meet City approval. � �� i OFFICIAL N4TICE CITY OF FRI6IEY PUBLIC NE�RING BEFORE THE PLANNING COhiP4ISSI0N TO WH�M IT MAY GONCERN: �2 Notice is hereby given i.ha� �here will be a Public Hearisig of the Planning Corrsnission of Che Ci�y of FridleY in the City ltall at 643i University Avenue Nori.heast oii Flednesda,y, MurcP� 17, 197G in the Counci7 Chamber. at 7:30 P,T-1, for Lhe purpose of: A request for a Speciai Use Pernity SP �t76-03, by Lyndale Termir,al Company, �`o allow the lucation of a garden center in the Northeast corner of Iloliday Village Narth's parking lot, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101, 3, [�, iocated on part oi Lot 13, Auditor's Suhdivision Pd4. 155, a11 lying in the South Half of Section 23, T-30, R-2A, Cii:y of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. GeneraTly located at 250 57th Avenue N.E. . Anyane desiring to be heard wik� reference to t:he above matLer may he heard at this meeting. Publish: March 3, 7976. �larch 10, 1976 � RICHARD H. HARRIS CNA I R�9kN PLANNIN6 COMMISSION _ �--. �'. � nur�er:a� ��-0 3 nn>>r.zcn,vr�s srcn�r.�v!zr er�� or• r•r.TUi,ev �a1NVr:snrn rLnuNrr:c n�r� zo�srNC r•o�ira Addre;s 250 57th AVE. NF.,, F7iICLEY�1�7. 55432 'Pelephone Nw�:bc:r 571-1900 LYNDALE TE1t;5IN�lL C0. 1 '% PROPGI2TY OIYA:GR'S STGNF�.'PURC� �rr, �,� y�'•.�-,��qc...,,� -� �,._ .� . i F:�Y..� Addr�.ss 45�7 �. 80''�h ST•, BLODi•SII,Gi'CN, r��. 554�7 'Pelcpi��r,e ;�iv�mber R20-7020 Street i.oc:�tio:� cf Yroperty 250 57th AVF., I�E. Legal. llescription oi Property �3 TY��r: or iiLQuesT a�:ZO„�„s _�_ Special Usc Permit Approval of Pre;nin�- inary F; ��i��al P1at Streets or Rllcy Vacatiotis _ Oi:her � ,^-ca .��_i'^,,.,zi, No. ��7 �!�},' � Px^scnt 7.oning Classifi.cation C-2S Existing Use of ProPea�ty C-2S Acreage of Property cr type of use and impr�vement � , ;7�-c.� :.� �Z C`' S�, / � J DescriUe liriefly the propc;ed zoning classi£�cation proposel : /i�- �Has tlte present applicant pxevious3y sought to rezone, plat, ouiain a lot spiit or variasice or speciai use permit on tl�e subject sitc or part of it? yes no. 117iat was requestecl and ��hen? _ _ _ _ _ The undexsigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners uf property witliin 300 feet (350 fcet for re�oning) must Ue attaclied to this applicatio:�. (b) 1'his applicatio�i ;r.ust be signed Uy all oi5�ners of t}ie property; or an explanati_on given i��h�� this is not the case. (c) [:espons>6itity.for ;iny d�fect in the proceeuings resulting froin the fai.ltir� to list the na:}�es and addres_ e°. o'r all resideiits and propert� o�eners of property in question, be;engs to thc undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structurc �r.�st be drav�� and attached, shoiai_ng the f'ollo+yi.n�: 1. horth Directioi�, 2, Location of proposed �tructure on the loi. � s. Dimensions of ��ro}'>crty, proposed structm•�, and front and si.de setbacks, A. Street Nvnes, 5. Loc�tion and use of adjacent exist.i.ng Uu.ildi.ngs (witl�i.n 300 i'ecLj.� Tlie undcrsigti�ed hereUy declares thar all the f�cts and representations stated in t:his ap�?li.catiou are Yruc ard corrcct. � UATii �i � �// %% S IGtd�1'Ul.T' � , � ri-z �=;.y�.-- �- Rl'I'1.I C,'tid'1')—�� . Date fiic:d I:atc of llcaring ��^ _ __ Planriing Commission Approvcd CiTy Council hpproveJ (ciatcs) llcnicd_ � �� (datcs) UcnicJ Mailing Lis� Lyndale Terminal Conipany SP f176-03 Xo alloti•r a garden center at Holiday Village North � Mr. Roger Joh�ison, Pianager Holiday Uillage North 250 51th Avenue N.C. Pridlcy, Ptn 5543?_ Iloliday Villaqe Idorth 45G7 tlesti i>Otil+ Strcet l�loomington, Fiinnescta 55437 Attention: Jcrv�nr N. Jen�en Qradley St:ci�i�san i31n°l�ington htorthcri� 1�G tasti 6th Street SC. !'aul , I4n 55101 F�;icf�:�: st 37-1197�9- 5 fur: Rvf,ert S. Spon9 £3G1 I��icol1et Pizl l hiinu�apo�l�is, t•fn 55402 S rlo��„�� _. ;�r�5t ios� so�,ti, �ti, s�.,-��t 1`iinnea,»l is, i1n 55415 u . . hir. £. I,rs. ier�-ar,c� 1•ti;l:o�ric � 5435 Ai�t:ra Ro�d P;.L. ri'icfle�', iin �5�21 I�ir. t> Ifrs. A.lfl°ed i)avis 54n7 Ilorizon Di°ive P7.E. Fridicy, 14�i 55421 t•1r. & I�;� s. Ricliard 101 :;it:h Pla::e I�. E. Fridlcy, Itn 55�i32 leonard Flostrom 131 Slih I'lace I�.C. �1'l(i�^�� i�ill �iJ�l �L Counci Drucilla A. San�io 217 ;lil� ('lac�� ;,.f:. rl'1tI)L')�. Itin 55G�2 Hcic.i !i. Sryy,l tins4:i 23:3 ;;7th Plarc i�.l_. I'1•itili�y, ilti 55.^,3,'? livnald J. ;dcr.�r�Sn� `l47 S7th Pl�ic:e Id.f_. {=1'idlcy, 61r� S'*i_2 4layne �ieverL 3�20 ��3th f�verue SouLh hl�inneapolis, h�n Lucille ,A. Sl;ovrar� 2(il 57tL Plttce Pt.L". }'1'1C��:?��e �ili J..r�i 4J% Edrtai-d S. Jan:r,k ?_Gl G7ih Plac� ld.L. fr�idle��> [�1r ,,.4�2 �fir• Y� Fi�°s. Orville C. Jclu�son ��s� cen :,t�,��t ;,�. �. fr�idley, i�1n 55��2 Mr. £r �7rs. IJill iaia Taile�. 2II] 51tn f�lace ;�.E. Fr�idley, 14n ;54;2 i�r. & i�irs. Frank Gt�b;��7cii: 5740 U�ii��ersity �1•v�nue li.E. !"ri;iley, thn ;5432 3��ving herman and Irvir:g [fron �i15tDi�L'dl1 %�2 5%�;it PiOCC iJ.�. fl"ic!7cy, hLt 5��^Z IS��. F< I;rs. Danicl Asl�lin 21C, 57tii Placr. �;.l:. � 1'1(��Cy', �ill ��I�L Pliiil�ps I'cli�olc�.:;,i Cnm;�ai;,. ��;iO R1'Cllii',OOd 't.ilVd. St. Louis, Pio 1�31��i 7heresa F1. .hbi;:z ?_]u 57ti� Plac� i�.[. f!'itiley, 14r fi5n,� Stu��rt Rothc;cl�cr 52:10 Grcerii`icici /lvenue {tiCY! {tl'1��lLCi1, ?1:l ;i$I12 1�11•. & 1•ir,<.. D:��t'd Scl�,�n,s,,;,� 'll!i% N.4;. Hiqh��,�;� 10 /+i�ol:a, ?iinr,csvta ;>53G�� 1 � 7 , �;.h � � _y�.,..-.,� . . . ._ _._ ::_� .. �'' : ---- . ; I �,�.,'., y . � � � ( ° � �A�V: � VI �r � � ' '�T��i'%%� � �� -r J l �� . � �- � --� V �` i ; �t ry � I �,' � ,- �`}`:: ' � � . � 4��, _,1� . � � , — -, �e ---- �,-�, ,;. . ,. �v 1 _ _ - b — J �, -�`.. YI � F -- tl�. - n; � e9 `' � —I � _ '` � � I � � - f 1 .' _,_ . . __"_.7.._ i _�__-.. ��.I � �. �_ _ ' 1�{ � _' S, 1 S � _� � �� s+_� �'' �.�� • � �.._ -_ - --F -- "'--a-'_ ' .... �:`j.. .. � . . �..}.-'_- �___' ---r- r�� -`—' -- \ � � �,� . .;. � � �; :. ; } 3 . :1 � �, � '� � � � � I � � \ � lk�� ` yF:p' � — �-NCr , :� _ ___ '; ♦ _/C•_6 _'y... � 3 � -- - __..- . _i2�G/� Tc __ .._ _._ .. . . � � _ � __ _._ 2 SP �76-03 LYNDAIE TERMINAL C0. to allow garden center in I)a-l�day Village.- Nor h parking�ot , ( . ti� �. `. � 1 '�. . /'�fr � ' � ' ' I � `11 .`' � 1 W � _ � - � � I.-,i� � �� ; , i, o� �i I. �� { :� S �,w � e,l ; � ' E .. � � .. 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' � � ,. w � C� J � OFFICIAL NOTICE CT7Y OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC NEARTNG BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMiSSION TO WHOM TT MAY CONCERI�: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public liearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley i❑ the City Hall ai 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, March 17, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M, for the purpose of: A request for a Special Use Perm9t, SP #76-04, by Henning Nelson Construction �ompany, to permit the construction of a dup7ex and/or a double 6ungalow in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per Fridley City Code, 5ection 205.05, 3, D, to be locaied on Lots l3, 14, 15 and 16, Block 2, Riverwoed I�anor Addition, all lying in the South Nalf of 5ection 10, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located South of 71st Way N.E. and West of East River Road N.E. Anyone who desires to be heard with reference ta the a6ove matter may be heard at this time. Publish: March 3, 1976 March 10, 1976 RICHARD H. HARRIS CNAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION Fa� r.r�•v or• r•itrni.i v rrrNNr:sorn rt,nnNrn�c nr�n zor�rNC roii�t NUM1f131i7�� %�r0 t� APYL7C.A\'C'S SrGN,�7'lil':;_�nnina '�nleon r�nct Co. � Address 3735 North Iiwv. �52� ttnl_.,_STMinn_ T'clephonc Numhcr 522-6611 I nninq Nelson Construc tion Co. 1 ROI IiR'1'Y OIVnGR S�G:��1'CLI12G ___ Adcl:-oss 3735 P7orth Highway 52 Tel ephone 12umUci_��} Strcet LocaCion of Property 168 7i �tiTay L7 �� TYPG OP RSQUEST Reaoning X Special Use Pcrmit Approval of Premin- inary F, Pin:il Vlat StrecY.s or Allcy Vacatioiis Other Fee �j �'.Receipt no. ��i7�J' Lcgal Description cf i'ropert�ivezsvood Manor lot . 13-14-15-16 Blk 2 Present Zoning Classificai;on R-1 Existiuo Use of Property Vacant __ Acreage of Preperty 1 3/q _� DescriUe briefly the proposed zoning clzssification or type of use and improvemer.t ;�roposed Duplex and or pouble Bungalow �. �. �Has the present applicant previoitsiy sought to rezore, plat, oUtain a lot ��ariance or sPecia.l use permit on t;e subject site or part o£ it? X �res tti7iat w�as requested and cvhen? tlultiple 24 Units- 2 Vears aqo. � split o: no, Tlzc nndersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 500 feet {"s50 fcet for rezoningl must Ue attached to this appl5catioii. (b) Tl�i.s application caus:t be signed Uy all owners of tlie property, or an e�planati_on given �ahy this is not thc case. �c; Pesponsibility for any defert i.n the proceedinos resulti�i� from the failure to ]ist ±lie names and addresses of all resiucnts and property oianers of property in question, belonfis to the undersi�ned. l� sketch of 1%roposed prope.rty a�zd structure must be dra�rn and attaclied, shoiving the foilo+aing: 1. North Uirecti_on. 2. Locat.ion�of pro�osed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, pi•oposed structure, .nd front and side setUacks. 4. Strcet Names, S. Location and use of adi.�cent existing bui_ldings (�aithin 300 fcet). 'I'lte undersi.gned hcreby declares that all thc iacts and representations state:T in this application are true :�nd correct. DATL• �4 FA}-i 7 47� _ SIGN.ti7'URC•___ �i?i!ti!'!�C •�'� - ��i('��V'f�e iner t son Date Fi3ed i Date of Ilea Planniug Commis,ion Approved City Council ApProvcd (datcs) Dcniu�l!_ � (Jates) Denicd_ ��'- s- . s Mailing List SP #76-a4 Henning Nelson Construction Independent School District #14 6�00 West Moore Lake Drive Fridley, Mn 55A32 Gir1 Scout Camp 127 PJorth 7th Street Minneapolis, Mn 554Q3 Henning Nelson Construction Co. 3735 North Highway #52 Minneapolis, Mn 55422 Mr. & Mrs. David Ruedy 168 71st Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs ASt�a Robbin 158 71st lVay N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Leo Bender 146 71st Way N.E. • fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harland Berry 7099 Hickory Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Holman 7105 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harold Paul 7065 East River Road Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Heffner 7055 East River Road Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Ulberg 7035 East River Road Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Craig Kile 50-70th Way N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Steven Paaverud 7045 East River Road Fridley, Mn 55432 CT } Planning Commission �- �' �� Premier Realy, Inc. 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Q . ...;(.c�i•:%, :.�!�'--,�)..'i + F.? �' ��, f ,•y`�, b _' °..v�-,:.',.:'. 5"/t•, ` s .:. —�; �7y?.� : ` �'': ,� y!Ly/ v�Z� .. :�','. , „�;:.•�. � •- :,�' : '•,; c"f� �,, , � : ,::,, - . .?;:: �'t ,��• .e�.'• � :i..ir . � ��-�{ ,� i . � � • .� 'G � CITY OP PRIDLI:Y PLAIdNING CO:•Sh7ISSI01d b1IiE'PIi�G rEBRUAP.Y 6, 197�1 PAGE 1 ,�. ruui�l�: !:t:/.I:.LP;G: RE2!';�.?-1��:G I':]'nl1EST� 7.OI1�� ;`,7fl-Ol, HENNING I�ELSO:d COhS'PRLiCT:iO.". �:ii;]'%�::' i'�� r.,zone :Lots 13, 14, 15, 16, BlOCk L, 1Ziverwood f;anor, i'ro:a R-1 (single Lamily ds•�elling areas) to R-3 (�eneral rnul.t.i.��lr_ i::;r„ily Q�dclling areas) to allow co�r struction of a:?1 uni_t ��p:rt�ne�l� comple;; Co be located 5outh of 7lst F'ay rind 14cst of li�sL Ri_vcr P.oad. t•tr. 1Sar1: Rcineri_so�7, 'Jice Pres.i_Qe:iti Of lle�zning Nelson Construction Company was prc:acnt. l�fOTIOA' by Triqr�n.•:, �econded hp-U.�rris, tlzat the P1ann.inq Comnzission ionive the r��,�cinr, of tlic PuLlic 1lcni�ing notice, 7.01� I/7�-01, b9 Henninry Ne2con ConstrccL;o�� Co;:�f�.,i�y �u rezone from P-Z to R-3. Upon a voice votc, a1] voCi;�;; •:ye�, l.hc !ant:i.or. cara-ied vnanimously. r5r.. P.cinertson pre:��: ntc � prcl imi n,�ry plans �or a to�anhouse tl pe of devclopment t,�hi.ch coul.c# l,c a cl.u�,tcr of t:li�.-cc builc??.ngs or a clustcr of t�oo. Thesc �,•c�uld l�c 1; i<� 2. �si:c>r.�•^ anci cw�lain irom 1G t;o 29 rent.al uniCs c•.�n:;.i::l.iny c�f m.�inl�r r>nc bedroom .�pzi.-Lmcnts tdiCh a fcat 2 bcdroom unitc.. Ilc ::;iiQ Chry �;��-c rec}uc:,Li.ng thi:; zoning 'chanc7c l�ec�lusc thc�y thc�uuht thi:; �a,��; ri n�c�t- :�ncl sy>ii-fy concept of hoto thS_, 1�roperC�� roi�l�i l,c cl-�v��l:�;r��;l Por url�,�n l.i.vinq a»8 �aas some- tl�i.nc� t.licy cout�i clo n,cc,.3 ;c•I, ��;�. '�''•�� y]�r:��u tri�d to sc].l this pr.operi:y a:� P.-] tor r:ix c�r ::i��n �;�•.�r:;, cutd :i.0 was pro}�crty that was hc:�ivily L-axcd. � �� t'lulut.Lf�y l..wtuul55.1.w1 11Celiny l.ltul.u.�iy �/r i� • ••y•• Mr. Reineitson said he had talked to various people from F1 City liall tryi_ny to 9et ideas ior this propert-y and irom thcse talks his company had come up with this concept. Iie said ther.c • are problems in' thi.s ama i�: t-hat Past River P,oad is heavily travelcd and, especi.al].y the corner lot, caas not conducive to R-1 developrnent. 11� said �•ri.l-h i:hi.s concept i:he z story ��ould be Uelo;a gradc so thc to��mhouse type units would blend inL-o thc neighborhoad and t:�ould ma):e a nice eni:rance into tlie area. T11e ent-rances and exits to this development would be on 71sL- Way. Mr. Iteiner.tson said tlle dracainqs bcing gr.esented ��tere just guidelines on lior< i.his tc�mhoi:se type comj�les could be dcveloped and he �•:as open to suygesCi_ons from the neiqhLors or the Flann.ing Commi: si.on, and wauld �.�elco;'�ie thcse suggestions. I1e 5a�-d there _ taouJ.d Ue a buffer on the 4•lcst side of Lhe development of about 96 feet from the adj��cmit liome. Mr. C].u;-Y. asl:cd P?r. :teinertson . if any member of the City staff had recommencied that this prop��%ty be rezo�zed. P7r. Reineri�son said he had just taJ.ked ovcr som� o` the possibilities of develo�ing tllis prop�rty, and Gfter these discussions, his company had come up with this concept. Mr. ClarY, as]:ed if thel> intenr'.ed these units to be owner occupied or if tr�ey would be rental units. P`ir. Reinertson said they could be bot�h, P1r. Clark said the ordiriance on tocenhouses requires 5 acres ior oemer occupied units. As this property is anly i.4 acres, they would hav� to be rental units. • Mr. Harris asked ii they owr.ed other property in this area. D4r. P.eine: ison suid they haci o�aned 3 other lots but they had sold 1 lot and buiit hvm:>s on th� other t�ao lots. The Iast house they bu;lt they had to r.ent for two years before it i•ras sold. 1�ir. Dri_gans asked r5r. C1ark if this area was in the comprehensive plan. I�Sr. Cla�;c said this par.t of East River Road was not a specific study area of the plaii. Mr. Leo Bender, 1�'6 71st Way N.13., said he had a neti�ion si<m ed l�y the r.esidants of the area, stating that thcy supported the cur.rent F2-1. zoni.ng on Lots 13, 19, 15, 1G, Block 2, Riverwood A'ianor, a7d were o;:nosed to any rezoning for five reasons: (1) hazardous to school cl:ilc:r.en, (2) additional noise of multiple d�aelli_ng units, (3) cl�ange in the continui_ty of the neiqhborhocd, (A) destrucL-ion of the enviro�mic�rt, and most impori=ant, (5) ii�vzsion of the indivicluals right to zoninq protection. � MOTTON by Ti1�db.Iad, seconded b� Harris, Lh<�t thc Planning Co�mnission xeceive Petitior, f11-1�7!, as presented. Upon a voice vote, aI1 voting a�e, tl7c moLion cari�aed un�znir�oeasly. Mr. Ilarris a�ked Mr. ]3ender whai: �aas meant by the invasioi� of- � thc indi.viduals riqlit to zoning pz-otecti.on? .,,,.�...�, �° . Planni.ng Commi._;3ion Mcetinq - P'ebruar.y 6, 1974 Page 3 �� ASr. IIender said the pcople in this arca had bought their homes ,.�aith thc under.st�anding that the area would conL-inue to be zoncd 1:-1. �� He sai.d our ioref�thcrs thought this was proper zor�ing for this area and the present resS.dents didn't �•+ant any other 'LOI�lllCj. Mr. Roger Claesgens, 7130 Rivervier� Terrace N.F., asY.ed �✓hat the land space to building r��tio �aou]d be in thc pr.oposed deve]_opment. Mr. 12einertson said thc land area �•�as G0,000 square feet and cach individual un.it saoulcl bc G00 to 1,000 squarc ieet. It would ' be belo��r the density al].a:red. Mr. Go'rdon 5anqster, 71f,9 Fivc1'vi�iv Terrace N.r., said he �•ras hcre as a renresentatice oi the Friczley School Board, to statc that the School T3oard saould be op��osed to any i.-e2on9.ng that t�:cu].d increase den:;;.t1� S.n this aLea Gaithin the pr.o>:imity of t:he entrance to the grade school. Tf such rezoning �aas finalized, School District i:19 �aould ta)ce forma7, action. P7r. Reinertson said thc proposed tot�nhouse concept r�ould be fuitlier back from tne entrance to the school than residential horres would be. i•ir. Claesgcns said he �aas the oldest resident of this area and had moved in in 1950. I�is father-in-law had oemed the property from where the school_ is located, approximately 3z acres, and the area from Riverview Terrace to East River Road, just North of this proy?osed de�=elopment. Behind this developmeni �_s the Gi.rl Scout • prop�rty, which i.s open area, and the I��ort:h side of tl�e school property has bcen left open also. Tdhile it is true that most of ilie stuaents are bussed to Llle grade school, there are sixcy or sevent}� residences ac'toss Easc River Road and these children wal}: fio school. Although ther.e is a semaphore at this crossing, it still .reaua.res a lot of care on East River l2oad not to int�rfere with the � ch:i.ldren crossing this street. Having up to 24 rental units on this proposed develop�7cnt would Renerate increased traffic at this intcrsect.ion �ahere the c}?ildren cross. ile also didn't feel that 1 z to 2 story buildinqs �:ou1C: fit into a single family liousing area and it �aouldn't be compatible wi�ti what is al.ready there. Mr. P.einertson said these units �oould be mostly one bedroom units and there would only Ue five 2 bedroom units, so �•re are only Lalking abc�ut 30 to 35 additional �eople, very little more than wh� t c•:ould be in four single family homes. Y.e sai.d tlier.c wouldn't bc large iamilies in these units and a lot of the one bedroom units �aould only have o�7e pers�n with one car. I3e said it was not tiznusull for sitigle fami.ly homes to have taro and tl�rce cars, so he didn't tliin): this develop�nent was generating that much more traffic. Air. W. J, Lngelhar.dt, 7120 Rivcrvicw Te n-ace, said this pr.operty was so3-d cn thc ��rcmi.sc thnt ther.e wou7.d bc no multi.ple � complc� in th9.s ��rc�. 'Phesc lot� wcr.e so].<9 wi.th the undcrstandi_nc� that: thcy �aoul-d be sinrylc fr�m7l.y haus.i.ng. _.,., ..� . -.'�,,'g , .: rj� A Mr. Steven Paavcrud, 70A5 �ast Ri.ver Road, said tha{; Mr. 12einertson made thc :;tatement that ihis development would enhance the cormnunity and benefi.t the City. ]te said we feel like we are a communi.t.y i.n this <irea anc3 our contention is that this �•rould be • ch��nging our neighborhood to a transient socicty. This is noi� in line with whaL �•�e fecl. for this area. R7e are a neighborhood and we appreci.ate the area as it is. There ar.e more L-hinys Lo considcr. iha�i �atlat can be don<. �•�ith thisparticular corner. This may involve ' Iess proiit for. thc land o��mer, bui: we fcel that Fridley abowids �ai�li apartmcnts and �ae don't �,�ant any i.n our area. tdr. Pnge].hardt said .that �:�her. this property was purchased, the buyer ]:new it i�as zoned L-or single iamil_y homes only. Chairman Fi_tzpatrick said any property owner has. the riglit to request a zoniny change. Mr. Rei_nertson said it �•;as Tliomas 3efferson wno said that eacil generatioi� should r��n-ii�e their o�•m consiitution because �ahat �•;as right in the past i.s not always applicable to us at the present time. V�e �aant to kecp thi.s area a residantial area. 14e don't want it to be commercial property. He ciidn'Y think people shoull look down on transient people just because they live in a house and have more space. Tlze cornplex they are proposing would be very nice and fit into t17e n4inhborY:ood. It would not be lot rent liousinq. Mr. Paaverud sain he didn't mean tc say tha� he look°d do�an on transient people. IIe just felt that becaus� ihey �aere transient, � they wouldn`t have the i_nteres� or ta}ce the care that a property ov�ner would liave in this sam� area. � Mr. Reinertson said this proposed complex would pay more tates than four residentialhomes, and could relieve some of th� tax burden in this area. Mr. Paaverud saic3 there sJ�ould be othe� alternatives other than an apartment comnlex. PSr. Reinertson saicl they have been looking for alternatives for six or seven ��ears. ASr. Tim O'Neill, 1.58 71st [4ay N.�. , sa�.d these were gooc3 siz� lots �uid he Lnought they could be sold ior }iomes.ites in the $40,000 or more class, if the ocaners ��.ould be satisfied to make a qoad proiii= and noL- e�cessive profit. Mr. Adas, 16II 71>t Way N.L•'., sai.d he couldn't offer any suggcstions on the development of this property but on the pqint oi rezonin„ he £elt we �aani- our conununity wel7. laid out- and for it L-o have co��tir.tiity. lIe said th<�Y llenning Nclson liad buil.t ttis home and he ca�s sure they tvould do a finc joU with tlii� proposeci devclopment, but it taould cause problcros i�i the ncighborhood. liveryone wor.ked toqether and hc felt- Ch.r.s would l�c lost caitl� rental ��raperi.y. 1Ie sazd a=c havc a c�ood plan going .1nd hc �a6u1d li.ke it i:o stay t-h�it way. -.�. �> . � • • Mr. Reinertson said he ].ived at Tvain Lakes and a few years ago they had a proposal for. an apartment comp].ex in this area. Many people in the area vlere opposed to this proposal 1>ut after the apartment comple;: 4ras L)1ca;e, it di_d fi� into the area, and the people whn ].ived in this complex contributed a lot to the commw�it.y, and dicl not detract f�om the residential arca.., lle continued that somc peop]_e are afr.aid of the unkno�an. lIe said this development would 1>e done well and the neiyhborliood st�ndards would Ue maintain�d. They i•�ere conce�-ned about this being compatible with the neic�hborhooci and �ti�hat they were presenting should enhance this area. M.r. Drigans said one aspect of this development has not been discussed, and tl7at �;-as the. financial as�ect of it. IIe said th�re is one developmet�t in I'ridl.cy thaL- has been going on Lor about two years because as ti�e different proposals were approved, they ran into trouhle financinc7 thei.r. pr.oject, and he wan�ed to }cno�.a if there etas iinancir.,t a-�ailable for this project, if it was app:'oved. Iie said he didn't l;now. ii 1Lnciing institutions would lend money for a $40,OOU to $50,000 ha::•,e oii the cornc�r oi East River Road either.. Iie asked what the value of the four loL-s were also. rir. Clar)c. checked the iiles for the valuation of these lots by the tlssessir,g D�partment, and Lots 13, 14 and 15 c•rere valued at $650U and Lot 16 at $5�00. Mr. Reinextson said they have owned this property for ma;zy years and naid a lot of special assessments on them and were asked $£3,C00 io $12,OOC for these lots. He said ihey lzad a good workin� arrange;i�ent �vitn their bank and didn't thinY ihc}� would have any problem financing this development. M�. Drigans his preliminary in a long �i�.ne. said he wanted to compliment Mr. Reintertson on plans. They caere the best that had been presented Mrs. Tim O'Neill said she thouqht i'c was feasible for some one to purc;��s� these lots and build a$90,000 to $60,000 lior,ie on ihese lots. She �i�li, this company had inflated tlie price of these lots because sh•� didn`t think they ?�ave any intention of selling them as single famil�• home sites. N,r. Leo Be;�der,� said that Mr. C1arY, stated that because of the acreage oi this pi�operty, it could not be oc•m er occupied and would have to be r.ental property. He asked rir. Reinertson if he had seen {:}le article iil tiic Frid7.ey Sun about the occupancy iatinq of apar��rients by City, a�;dLt�at Pii_dley h�s a hiqh percentage of vacancies. Mr. Iteinerison saicl !�e h�cl nat, and �:�oUld be inter.ested in seeing it, buL they have macle their own investigation and felt these units taould rent. Mr. 1'aaverud said that <.t the prc ;ent timc o�;ner� of apari�ments •were havi.tlq somcthinq of a bonanza because it was diificull: to purchase ho�nes, but. he thought mo,t people desirc to o�,�n thcir proPcrty aa�d thal-'s one oi thc r.easons therc is such a tur.novcr i.n apar.tment rentals. N,r. lingclha�-dL said hc tl�d so.i.cl chi.:; pro��erty wi.Lh i:he prom.i_:e _,,_ �..�... �"�"" ' Planni.nq Comm.i.ssion Mecti-nq - 1'ebrual.y G, 1974 to i:he buyers, that thi.s area tiaould remain 12-1. it wquld make a li.ar out of him. e 6 r��- � �➢ If it was rezoned, � tdr. Reiner.Cson sai.d he had studied i:he' reasons given on the petition �+*hy the L�ropc.rty owner5 aie.opposed to i:his rezoni.nq requcst. Sie thoughL- that because this proposal was very mucli above standard, Lheir points of oUjection, would not happen. f, �/ • • Judith ASzy, 18�1 71�ti tti*<zy N.r., said this nroperL-y was purchased irom her father, Iiowar.d Crabtrce, and it was sold as a single family area. She thouqht is would be a breach of faith to buil�t ren4al uni:ts in this area. Mr. Reinertson said he ciidn't caant to fight �•rith anyone over this ��ropos�l� but he <asked Ms. A1ay to check with her father. on Lhe purcha:>e agreeme�it. � P7rs. 0'tdeill said that �ohcr. they pu�-chased their lot fr��m Henning A�elson, th�y had to qive i:hem assur.ance that they ��:o:�ld build at least.a $35,000 11ome �o maintain the property values in tlie area, and L-hey gave us their assurance that the ar_ea would have the same value hornes on the area that was still vacant. Mr. keinertson said this shov�ed that�they k�ere very concerned aboui maini;aining the property values in this area and why this development �aoulcti have such higli standards and be an asset to the cosmnun i ty . Mr. Claesgens said he didn't think i.t sho��ecl r.tuch business acumen tc hold property £or ten years aa�d pay all the assessments and taxes tl�at long, ur.til they had so much invested ir. the property that it would take a proposal like this to pull them out economicall}r. Mr. Reinertson said thcy didn't need this develoument to pull them out oi anything. 797ey havc tried to sell this property ��rithout success sc on an economiceil. basis, they felt this devclopn:ent k+ou'd be a good use for this propert1�. r1rs.Corrinc �ender said that �t*hen apartments are new, everything 5.s very nice, but a�t-er. five ycars they star_t going down hi11, and over a period of time, thcy detract from the area. 2�3r. liarris asked DSL . Clark if a notice had been sent. to Anoka County. There's a'jog in �asL River Road, Sout-h oi this property, and �aondered iL the County had any plans for toidening the road by ].7 feet, 9n this area. Mr. C1<�r.k saicl no notice �aas srnt to them. Mr. 22arris s�id tl�are miglzt also be considcration of a wide�- radiu� for 71st �vay irom l;asi: P.iver Road. Mr. lteii�ertson said hc di.dn't thin}: thcy would n�ed auditional right of �aay fcr the radius of 71st Way ir.o�u tliis property, but he was concerned aUoul- tl�e joc� in EasL- P.iver Road and �•�ould lil:e to check on this 1?iinseli, also. - x�•3 . . � �'i�' .. • Planninq Commission rleetinq - Pebruary G, 1974 Page 7 B Chainnan Fitzpatrick said it shoul.d be checked out with the County on �aliat part of Last- Rivez I:oad is in their study area. • Mr. Claesgens ac};ed if thc Commission was aware of any State statutes about the location of multiplc dwellinc�s in relation to a school ar.ea. No one �vas aware of any such statute. 6}O1'TON b� ll�arris, seconcTed L1 T.indLlnd, thsL- the Planning Cvmmissian close tl�e PuL1ic llearing on r.ezoning requesC, ZOT� //79-01, b� llenni.ng 1,�elson Consfruction Compani/ Lo rezonc fsom R-1 to R-3, Upon a voice votc, a11 votinq a�e, the motion caz•ried ❑�7unimously. fJOTIO.N by Drigans second�d by Ilr2rris, that the PZann.ing Comnission cont.iniie ihe rezoninry reyuest, ZO�l ;l74-O), by llenniny Nelson ConsLructic:, Cor.�pJny, Lo rezonc Lot� I3. 14, 15 aitd 26. SZocl: Z. Riv�rr:ood Ffanor, fx•om R-1 (s.inq.Ie f�mily dc•�12ing azeas) to R-3 (general muli.iple tanlily dwell.tng areasJ to a11o�o construcCion of a 24 an.it apartme��t 'complex i'o be locaiert Soath of 71st l�a� and f9est oI East P,iver 12oad, uittil Fcbr.ur�ry 7.0, 1979. Upon a voice vote, aI1 voi:ing aye, the rnvtion caz�ricd t�nanirrously. ., . __._--- --- � • "�4�"e�3 i • Planni_��q Commi.ss3.on Mceti.n�j - 1'ebruary 20, l.9"!4 Paqc 2 IVIi PL1�TE,' F< SUI3DIVISIO1vS-S'PIt:3E'PS & UTII.I`PII.� SUBCQDI"1T . I'7i731tUi�PY � MOTION b� tl�rrris, secvnded Dy Drigans, thaL- the P1ann.i.nq Cwnmission recelve t.he m3.noCn� of the Plats & S��bdivisions-Streets G Ut311tir.s Subcoinrz.zttee mr_et.ing of 1'ebri7ary ]3, Z974- Upon a voice votn, all voting ayc, fhc mot;ion carried unanimously. _ _ 1. �� ,•,_, :' --� COI�T]t?Uitl�: PU]3LIC llL;l�.PTi:G: RT;7,Oi?IIQG RI',(lU];ST, .'LOA v79-01, Ill�;14i::Ci'C ?iLLS(;;d c:Oi:C:''�;:U("PIO'3 CO':?'i',iJYt 'PO r.crOnc Lc>Ls l;i, 19, 15, ].6, 1llock. � L, Ftivcr�:ood t•leu}oi: , fr.om I;-]. {singlc iami.ly dtae7.ling aret�s) to F-3 (gencral multiiple fami-ly d+,�e]_ling areas) to allo�a co�istruction oi a 7_4 tu��i.t ap<u-tm,.rit complc>: generally located Soutii of 71st ti�ay i�.E. and j4est oi East Rivcr Road. Publ:ic IIcarir�g closcci. FSOTI0t7 .bi7 Harris, seconded by L.ti7d1�1ad, that the P.2anrting Co�nm.iss.iun r^ceivc Lh�: 1el:tez' from Iradepet7d�nt Sc1;oo1 DisLrict I4, dated P'ebruary 20, 197!'. Upot7 a voice vote, �1.i voting aye, the mo-C.ie1� cr�+rr.ied unn».imous.2;7. Chairman I'i_tz?_�at_rick s�id hc :-;anted the contents of this lezter incluued i_n the minutes and he read, a� iollov;s: "'Phe I.e��er is. acidi-css to 7idc•rard Pitzpatrick, Chai.rman of the Plarning Con'miission: At the regular nteeting of the Board oi 1.ducation, . Dist.rict 1�1, held on Pebruary ].9, 197�; the follo;aing resolution eras introduced by Gordon Sanr,stc�-c ��°A7hereas ti�.e riidley P7_ann9.ng Co;.i;n3-ssion has recei.ved a request to rezone Lots 13, 14, ].5, 16, 131ock 2, Rivcrcaocd bSanor, fro:n P.-1 (single f_amily dwe7.ling areas) to R-3 (general multiple family dwelling areas), h'l�er.eas ihe descriued property is located acros� 71st SVay Northeast from ihe c,itrunce to the I:ive�-wood J�lementar�� School, And c�:herc�as the increased housiny cicnsit.y and attendant traffic could r,r.eate a safei.y hazard at tne schoo]. enLrance, 'Phcreforr., be iL- resolved that the Boar.d o'f. rducation of I'ri�iley Tndependc�itt School 1)isLr.icL I�o. 1�1 �'ecZt�ests th�iL- the described propert}� be ret�iined wii:h i�he currc:nt P.-1 zoning classi.ficatioii." The above r�solut.ion was seconded by t�tar.y Schre:»ci:, and the followi.nc, nrc:mbercc veted iu Lavor of the re:-�olution: P.ay"n?ond i�4ond?.oh, Gordon Sai�c�:,t:cr, i�5ary Scl�rei.ner., hTallace Altivac and John Me}�cr. 7'ho:;e votinq no: none. ]:oberi: Pic�-ce abstaii�ed. 13ecause Di:;tricC 1� is an adjaccnt pr.operL-y holdcr. to the li�id i.n c�uc�st.ion, we �aould lil;c to .cxpress our posi.Li.on on t.hc 'maCtcr. Thanl: you. � D7r. I'iizph��-ic1; said tlic let.tez' taas signed by D1ar.y Schrci.ncr, Cl.crk of the 13c�ard of. �di�caLion ." �._..�_ �--^+� �. _ � �� Planning Commi�:cion MeeLinq - 1'ebruary 20, 1979 P�qe 3 �+r� Mr, C1<�rk said lhe petitio»cr, Mr messagc wiLh Lhe st��f'f saying i_liaC hc mceting thi.s eveniny and risl:ed to l�ave rezoning rcqucst co»t:i.nued until t•Iarch . Reinertson, had ].c.it- a was too ill to attend the the consideration of L-he Gth. � flOTI"Of7 b� 1)7�1r, secondnd by DriJons, t-hat t.hc Planning Comfnis�ion coi�ti7iuc rc::oninq rcyt2cst-. '7.0J1 !/74-0.1 , Lj llenniny lJclson Consi•t�ucCi.on Coml-an+t, Lo reznnr• I.ot � .t3, 29, 15, iG, 732ock 2, Riverrvood Manor, frcm R-1 (aingl� fnnily dc�c;.ling arr�ls) to P.-3 (�cticral multiple farnily dwclting ,�rc.rr.) to ��11oi,� ronc:truci:ion of a 2, unit ayrtrtrzcnt cornplex qcncr,-r27p loc,ri:cd So+it-h of 71st hir�g N.]'. �nd IJC::C of last River P.o.�d, ur7lil Id.irch C, 1�7•1 .�t-the j>eC.it:.ionet's requcsL. Upon ----_,. ....r„ :,71 v�tiitq ayc, Chn motion c�ri'ied unani�aousl.y. s � � P7anni.r�y Commi..�sion Mccl=i.n�J - J1��r.i). ].7, 7.974 Paqe 2 `� � thc pet.i.tioner ha, not brouqht in his I�lans for 13uildiny Standard�,- Deszgn Conts:o]. Subcommittee icview. This wns onc of thc si:i.pulations you mac:c at tFic i_ime of. tl�e Lirsi: pr.esentati.on. 7'liis will be on the npril 25th mcel-ing of thaL- subconmliLtec. AfOTZOtJ by Linrtb2rrd, secondc3 by llarris, tJ�at Y.he Pl..nning Cnmria:;- S.fon evntiniie the Pub.I.ic He�rriny on Lhe rezonin, reque:t, 'LOA 1;7,-02, by 7lerkelcy Purr�p, Lo rezone fr.om R^1 (s.i.nglc fam.ily d�,�ellinq asr.is) to FI-] (.2.icjl�t i.ndi:st;�•.ia1 :ire��s) T,otis 1 and 2, Sprzng Trook Prrrl: I�dd.itlorl, to m.al:c zoz'�zn9 consi:;rcnt �vi.t:h propertg 2ines �C IF.i TJy Str.cet N.P. unt.il Lhc prrt�.itioi,�r ha, preset�ted his p2ai7s iv Llic 13ui.Idlnq SCa7�ri:ar�is- IJesS.qn Cort.rol SuLcot:�:�ittce. Upon a voice vote, a11 votiny �yc•, ti�r inotion car:ci.cd unarirr:ously. �. � ; r �: I. � *` `' CO)72 ):P iiBii: P1J;;:GIC 1T1?n,1:I"'C;: RT:ZO'i]IP;G PT;Q?3i;ST,'. L0.<; .:7 ,—01,' I�`:'?, L,G 1\J,l�.i.;�' �1;.'.:>��'_.��,.�'1�.,1 l,C):c� `i�1': `}'O YC%UiIC? r�0i.:; J�,'.r -1'�� l�� c1!1G� jl7�J _ _ �. _ _.._ "___' __ _'_ _.__ _—__ .�._`___ • Fslocl: 2, l::ivert;o�;u+ �-l>,no:-, f.re;.i l:-1 (si_ngle fanulV d.raellinq �.�'e<:::) to R-3 igcncral rr,ultiple fr�mi.ly dca�lli.ng areas) �o al.io��,� cori:si.ruc- tion of a 2! uni.t apart:,�2nt compl.ex, to be locr,ted Sout2+ of 71_st l4ay and l�2est oi I:ast Riv�r Road. 2 Public Hc�rin; closed. Mr, DSar_;: l:ei.nereson a�as prerent t.o represc��t the petitioner. Mr. I:eine:.-t�o�� ^aid thc� Piiblic Searii:g notice said iliis ��;as a re�iiesc far a 24 unii ap�rt�uent co;ipler, axio thc request was for a tos�tnhouse ty��c of develop.aent, so I ti;in;: this is ar� error. PSr. Rar�i:; asked bir. Clarlc i� there �aasn't a spcc:_al section in our can� on toca,�houses? Mr.. Clarl; said he �aas going to corrret the statement n,acie by f:r. R2i.neri:so3��, becaus� t-ae do ]�ave a to�vnhouse section in ou?' cod� whic.l stai.cs ih��+.: ��cu have fio have a minimum ai 5 acres for_ a to:mhouse cemplcx. 7'1i�s ?aay b� a to�mhoi;sc type of develvp,;�c>nt, but it v:il1. si�i:l.l i�avc to �;e describcd as an apartm,�nt complex, so the hear-inq r.otice is correct. isr. Clark asked. I+lr. P.einertson if he sL-ill intended to have thi:: coi;i}?ler, as rental units or. ii tlicy �eonld be o�-rne.r accupied. T1�. Rei.nert.son said the�� could go either oray_ Iie said he a?a;; i;i the si.tuat.ion tahere he had a p3-nblen� wiL}; this property and �ahat to do �:�ith it. Ixc �aas here to negoti.aie for what rrotil-d bc bcsi_ for the nei.�huorhood eind Lor the coir�munity. '.Phc��e has been some indica.`.i.ou fr.om d�.ffcrenC neo��l.e in the ncic,hborhoo3 that thcy caould not J.�c opposcd to to�•�nhouse�, aL- ih.is time. Chairman P'it::p��tric}: saici i-1ie P1a�zninc� Commis;ion receivCd a lett.c�- from Indepc:ncic�ni: :',i�hoo] D.isL-r.ict �9 ��ftcr the Publ�.c Iicarir�g on tll:i.:; ' recrue>t. II�: said t:Lc 1'].anni.ru� Coulnti.ssio:� 1i:id al.rcady rccciveQ t1�c � lettcr aL- ailothci: meeti.»g biit he i,ould rrnd it to Chc petit.ioner. ruici to the ma�aUcrs c�f tl�e audicnce wl�o �,�cre l�erc on thi� petS.L-i.on. N,r. Re.i ncrtson ^.riid l�e Fvas noL at t.hc mecti n�7 �nent9.onc•d i.n Lhc _''�,..:� `. .. �J C� let.ter. , and he didn' t l:now tahcre thcy go{� thei.r infoi-mation Uat he thouglit ther.e �•ras zi l.ot uf pi-ejudi_ce itivolved and Lhe requcst wcis not g:iven a fai.r ev�ilu��ti.o�i. Ilr, i'itrpatric}: said that I�1r. Gordon Sanyster sa�s at the I�r.Uli_c flcaring ancl tae would assume that he yave Lhc School DisL-rir.t thc infonn.ition he had gottcn at this hcaring. P1r. IIarri-s sai.d i:hat the zoning ordi.nance ca11s for 5 acres f:or. a i:oc.*nhouse devel.oi�mciit, but thcy can be built- in It-1 zonin��. Mr. Clarlc said i:his ��as allo�•�ec3 at the rate of 9,0�0 square feet per uni_1�, thc, :;arae as thc si.�:c�lc famaly home requirement ar�d .it mizSt be o�,�ner. occupied. )=f a tot•�nh�us,e deve.l.opment is built in P.-7_ or. 1:-3, a.hicl� all.ows �� denscr class.ificr�Cioiz, then it does not have to b� owner occiapi��d. I;-7_ rcquii-cr, 5,000 �cuare feet per wiit and R-3 requires 3.,000 sqnare feet per unit. k�i'r for. have long Mr. Ilarris as}:ed ?;r.. P.eir,ertc�on lioca large a parcel oL lancl he had. Clark said the p�titio.i sl_a4es its l.� acres. . Mr.'I'i_t�patr.ick asicc�d l�ir.. P.cincrtson how man�� units lic �,*as looking Mr. }:ciriereson- said tlzai the maximtun nun:be?' o.� w�it5 l�e could an ttii.s p�'enerty i;culct Ue 29, but he ��as i:illinc3 to compro:�ii�e a:: as tLc: nu:�?:�er of u;ai_ts were economi.cally feasi.Lle. Mr. P'i.tz;�at:ri.ck a.sked t;r. `T, could he buiJ.L- en i:17i_s parcel. '° if th� ?o?:ing remaia�ed R-l. If 12 uniis. Clark hoer man_y to��r=.house type un:Cts I�ir. Clark sai.d. thcrc could be 7 units it c�ras rezor�ed to R-2, there eoulcz be . Mr. Reinertson �aid he erw.ild like to get the units dense enough so it 4J011�Q' Lc feasial� �o c'zo son:etl�i�,g qood far ti�e area. He e,�oizlcl like to pizt i_n a s�-;imming poel that could be used by the co:+npleti an?� the nciqhbor.ilood. I3e said �ae ��rant to do so;neth?�:g more th�n tlie :�ini:^�urr� so i.t c:�oulu enhance thc neigliborhood and even help improve the va].uat..ion of tt.e existir.c� iia,�;es �_n this area. f4r.. prigans as?;ed how thn Planning Commi.ssion �ouia base thei�' decision on economic� v�hen we don' t have any iniorniation to base this decision upon? r1r. Re4�;e�_tson s<iid a complex of 12 to 16 units v�ould be ecor_on;- ical].y fcasible to build. L'eloi•� i�179.s ntim?�er af w�its it caot�ld have to be double bungalows and this c,�ould not enhance the neighborhood. h5r. Drig<°.ns as}ked P1r. Rei�;ertson ii he had met with the nci.gl:bors sincc the Pt�blic He�u-i.nq. �ir. I:eine.ri. �ori said L-c had met �;•ith t:hc•m �rz.qht af-ter th� last mcetinn. Ile s�-�id onc oi the ncighbor: ( ai�d ite didn' i wnnt- %o n�enl-ioi� his n��mr) had sai.�] that he �•rould be iiiterested in buyS.ng about 9 of: these tcwnhou:e un_its. `ry, ' ' Mr. Driqans asY.ed w;�en t-h.is pro��crty ca<is last offered f.or sal.e. Mr. 12ei�ierison said i.t iN for s:�)_c a11 o.f tl�e ti.me. Mr. Dr.iqans nsl:cd if ii� �,�as posteei or listed ras �7r��perty ro�- s,azo. r��-. r:einert:�c�n sai_ci it �,�'�` has L,�en ;:dvc•rCi:;:�d i n Che ,?:ll��r, u;iL lie bel..icved tlic si.c�n o�i tlic pr.opert �/ has rccen+�ly l�ccn cir;:io�.i:,h��;l. ' - -• • P].anninc� Conuni.ssi.on M�etinqyl� rp il 17, 197A Pac7e A L�a1 ` ASr. liar.ris sa:i.d there s��m-c ;ome pcople in the audience on th.is `} request, so he thouyl�t the Public Iicarinq should Ur rcope��ed. t•1DTION by 11arr_s, secondcd b� Rl�i.ir, LhaL the Plani�i.n9 Conrmis�ion � reopen thc Public IIr_aring for thc rcguest Ivr rezonin9, GDA 117�-OI; b� Ne7�nin9 Nclson ConsCrucLion Co�r�pany. Upon u voir.e voLe, a11 voting aye, the motiuii carried ununimoue:Jy. Mr. Ilarris asl:cd Mr. Clarl: if. hc had heard fi-om thc Cotanty on zaiy a�c7di?=i.on�1 riqhL oi �-�a}• for East I2iver 12oad because oi- the jo?. I�Sr. Clar]: said a letter haC: i�cen �,>ritten to th^ County, but as Lar as he Y.ne��, thcy h�id�1` t received an u�isit�er' as yet. � T9rs. Lois 0'I�:ci11,_ 15u 71st P7ay td.E., said she �aanted to brinq iL- to tl,e ��t-tention of the Planning Com.*ni.��i_on �hat thc neighbors �,ho signed the petiiion zagai.nst any rezoni.nq of th.i� property �aere sLi_11 not in Lavo.r: of the zonin, i>einq ch�inqed from R-1. Air. David Ildas, 168 71st iday N.:'. said ther_e wr-_re several questions rai,ed a� 1_h� PubJ.i-c Uear.in7 and he cnouyht there should be soma spec- \iLic fac'�s o,iven as to wliy ihe petit_ion�r caiu�at scll i:hcse loi� io.r single i�rnily liom�,. � t�ir. Reinertscn �aid he �,aa.s herc� to compromise for somechi.ng ether ��- '`� than the �4 unit pI«�i lle had presented, FIe i•:as open to sugnestio.is on hoca thi:. pro�>erty could bea� be developed th�zt �aould be ccor.oru_ca11y ,''` £eas.ible. lle said the;-e coul.cl b� a cor�imittee fotmed by any p�opt•^ who have an interest in ho�:� this pro��ert}• sliould be developed. � Chairman ritzpatricY, said that Dirs. O'N�il7_ has st�ted that the ' neiyhbors were stitl against ary proposal that �-rould inaolve rezon:ing. Pir. �das said that 2�5r. F;einertson has staied that it was not economically feasible to build a sinqle f_ami.ly d�,aelling on the c.o7_�:er of �ast R.iver Road, but they are bui.ldiiiy otl�er homes just as clese to East l:iver l�oaci and the ;e houses are sell.ing, so tlYis disproves that theory. . Mr. P.einertson said thaL t?ie people taho �eere ir,tere.sted i�i purchas- 'ing ihis nr.operty hact no intcrest ir� single family housing. He said he has had t�:ro or three people inter.estcd if iherc could ba toc,mhouscs in this.area. Chai.rman Pitzpatrick said if this prop�rty was not rezon�n, therc. would be four sinc�lc family homesites. Mr. Pciner.tson sai_d t_]7e lot�� had IIO foot iront fooi:age anQ were �75 feet decp.. They are huge lots and could stand tl�e estra dcnsity. D3r. llarris snicl he �aenL by tliis pi-opeii:y recently, and it secmed t-� li1:c i:her.e �vas a soil. probli>m on part oi L-hc prc�perty. Ile sai_d h.r. �.: ' 'nota.ced a clwnp of poppl.c and i;hc;;e qeneral.l.y c3on't qro��1 i.n s�nc9. Tdr. Rcincrtson said :;oincuoc�y l7id clumpe�d so�nc Ulack c1ir.L in t:liis area a lang � i.ime ago: , rSr. Adas �aid hr has onl.a� lived in thi_s a'.rca a year, bu� durinrr '�"'F"�' ,.... � U (' ', `., Pl.anni.ncj C'ommi.ssic>n r7cetinq - April. 17, J.974 Page 5 �� that timc he hadn't scen any attempt to se].1 this property. He saic?,wit.h lots of this calibre he thougllt thcy eould be sold� bu� he couldil't cite ai�y spcci.fic offer, for tlii.s property. Mr. P.einertson said it vras true ihaL- someCimes they wanted i:o sell ihe property and other times thcy di.d not �aant to sell. IIe sai.d he di.dn' t- orant to gci� into t.hese c3i.scussions on �ahethc�' the pro��crty coulcl be sol.d or not. Ile said th��t r.>h�t t}iey ��;�nt to do is co��ie un wit17 a pl�in that �ai11. enhru�ce the neiy]iborhood. IIe saS.d thcy �:ould li};e to worY, o�ith il�r_ neighbors and the Comm.i_s:;ion. Ilc� is open �o any sugycsiions <�nd �•�ou]d like �dvi_ce on hoca to develop thi.s site in an c:conomically feasible ��ay. • Chainnan Pi�zpa�rick said oiie of the reasoiis given ior re•r.oninq reguests is because t)le peti�ioner feel.s tliai ii� is no� economi.cal.l.y feasible to develop the propert�> un<ier i_i:s present ao»ing. Mr. Dri jans s�id he �•:asn't read}> to recor��enc1 rezoning on h.earsa}� evidea�ce, on just tlie statement thai� its not eco,�emic�.11}� feasibie to develc� �his as sinqle family ]iome sa.ces, �aitho�rt any b�.�rden of p�_oof or any fiyur_es. Thcre is enough oppo�iti_on irora thc Scl:ool L'or�rd and the surrour,ding ��roperty o:aners, so its up to I;r. P.einei-ison to iorm a corimit:i�ee of the i��ighbors a»d vror_k �•ri_th the sctiool bo� rc;t Eor a pr.oposal fvr tlii:, property. The Cicy Council or the Planning Cor�r�is- sion is not going to no tliis. Tts up to the peii.tioner. Chai.r.man ri_tzp�t.rick �ai.d the P1�nning Coranission is faceci �aith � u request for 24 ur,i�s. Sie are faced tai.th a petition frcm tlAe ne�gliLor� opposed t.o any rezoning in thi.s area. S;e are f:�.ced with a reso].ution by the School Board in opposition to this request. . ._.. �_,, .� Mr. P.�inertson an3 the homeoi�ineis bring this proposal said he would like to m�et with the School Be<rd to see what. altern�.tive could b� of_fered, and back to the ne�t meeting. Mr. Clark said that ciCt10I1 should have bsen t�k�n on this reouest within GQ days o; the Public lIearing, and �ae ar.e going beyond thai� tir;i2, but this coutd perl�aps be e�tended. Mr. k'itzp<ltricJ; sai_c3 that ii tliis request was denicd, it a�ould be a ye�r before i9r. Reinertson could make another request for rezoninc� oi tl�is proper_ty. IIe said thzzt if Mr. Reiner.tson tl�ouqht he coulc3 come back with a modified requcst, they could continue i.his Public I3carinq to � later date. Mr. Steven Paaverud, 7095 F•.ast Ri_ver, said he woulci be rrilling to work with A1r. Reincrtson in for.],u->>g a neighUorhood cammi_ttee. �. said hc would li}:c Afr, lteiner.tson to qi��e somc suListance to his :;tat.c- ment that it cvould k�e econo�ui.call�� unf:easibJ.c to develop �lii.s property as singlc fantily homesites. � �1r. T'i.tzpat:rick said .AS��. Rcincrtson hasn't �tai:ed this c�nci.ly, Uut- if lie is b;isinq his rcyue>L- f-or rezoni.nq ior t11is rcasoil, i:Lcii some figures woulii liavc to be given .ZS A9r. llrigans mentioneci UcLuic. ^�^+�t ; _^Y__ L1�C+ t � P_].�ii�iinq C�>mmi:� ;ion 67ccL-i.�_ �q^ A{?ril. .17, 1�7�1 P�igc 6 P1D'l7DN Ly D7rri.:;, seconded b� Ar.ip��ns, that L-hc PZa��i�.i�7g Cotr�rni.;::.ic�rt 1 cont.inue unCi1 hlaj 7.2, 197�, 1-be rezonii7q req�ic,t. ZOA i174-01, bg � llenniJ�rJ Ne]svrl Cn�t:;f.rcicCioti Co::�prirl�, to zez.one I,ots 13, 2�. 25 uncl 1G, I �� II1oc1,- �2, P.ivcrwood ;�l�,nos�, from P,-1 (sin9ie family di+�elling arr.ris) to ��i R-3 (gcncral inu2Liplc f�+m.i.ly d�✓ellinu r�rcas) to a22nm const?'ircLiou of u 24' un.i t<tp:�r tnrcu t: cwnyl cr. tn be 2uc.� ted Soa th of 71:; t fJag ui7d + k'est of L•'��s[: l:ivCr !2c%,�c1. Upon u voice voLe� a12 voting aJe, the ��iol:�:o:� carrict] un�u.inn�,s1 y. Pdt. Rara-is as?:ed I;r. Cl.arl: to chec}: �aith t]ae County to see if thcy �•:er_e yoiny i-o nr.od any ri.�sht oi �aay from i:h.is Proi>erty. i•1r. L:i_nu:�:Lacl ��:);cd 7,,r. Cl��r.}: to corr,pi.]_r a).isr of- t]ic nccr hou;cs bui.lt On I:as� J..i_��cr. Ro:�d ciurinq the pZSt year. P�ir. Clark :�aid 1�c �•:ould havc thi� a.nformaLi_on on P.ay 2?.nd. � 1� � �lm�f'° � � Plar,n Comn�i.s�ion Dlceti.»q - t�fiiy 22, 1979 P 2 �� ____ . \' � . i. � CO�7'PIIdUt?1): PUf�T�iC II1?T�PING: Rh'70N�CNG RP�)[JliST, %07�� i74-07., JllifdPJIN(; NI;L;OV C<)VS'1'RCiC'I'T(�id COili'ni�ti': '1'o rezone Lc�t;-13, 14, ;1.-5 ��nd 1G,�131oc1'c 2, Rivcrvicaa [•lano?.', f-xom R-1 (single family d�•rellin� arcas) to R-3 (c}encral �DUJ.tiple family d��el].ing ar.c��s) to aJ.lot•r constr.uci:ic>n on an apartmcnt compJ.ex to be located South of 7].st i��y and k�est of Lasf: River Road. Public Ilcar.ing open. No one �aa� preseni. t_o represenL thc petitioner. Cl�ai.rrn�n Fii:zt��tric}: said this ii.ero �•ras continued to alloar i.he pe�itioner t'.o r:or): �•�ith t}le nciqhhors aiid scl;ool board on a propc>sa7. that �rould l�e acccptc:ble ta tl�c_e. �•)e also asked ti�at there bc a chccl; mac?e �•ai th the Cotmtp to sec� if i;icy neec"ted any acldi.i:i_onal ri,�hi_ of �:�a� ior Lasl P..iver Road.�� YJe liave a letter i�1 ouL agen:?a zrc�n� the Council staCi-ng that an add;.tional 17 feet �•:ill bc necdcd fc.- {�his r.i_^,t:t cf :;ay i;-cm Loi- 16. 2•,r. Roard;nan said tl�is need�d an�?ii:i_onal right of way caill not ma�e an appr.ec.i.<J�l� di�fe�-cnce in thiU lot. as far. as it being a builc- able lot.. Tt v�ould still Le large enough for a double bungaloor o.r a. duplex. A4r. I3oardman s�id r5r. Darrel Clar.k has t�l):ed to the petitioner today and he did ;�y i�e �oas con:ing to L-he meetinq with a proposal, bu� he didn'�.i say i•�hat that pro��osal mighi be. i4r. Ilarri_s said the addit:�onal ric,lii of caay needed Lor Fast R_ver Road sho�lc? b� obtai.necz from Lot 1G before it is developed. MOTIOiJ b1 1ta�ris, seconded by prigans, that the. Planning Commi;sior. continue the Pi�bZic I:ev.°.ing on the rezoning recu�st, ZOn ,{74-01, by ❑enn�r�q Nelson C.onstz�vc�tion Con+par.y until i:he petiLioner axrives ai. tl7e meeti��g. Upon a:�a.:ce vote, aI1 voL�.ng aye, the motion cazried uiiaztimously. At 9c00 1�:A7., t✓,r. 'I'imoi=hp �'P:ei11, 15� 71st IVay N.�., sai_d h` tiieuc,?ii. A1r. Rcinertson h�3 bc�n ai ei:otiigt� mectings oC the P]_anning Comrnissi_o;� so he si�ou].ci ]:now crhr�t ti.m� he should Le lZerr t•ihen he v:as first o�i tlir-. agend.i, lie as]:ecl t:he P].anni.nc� Commi:sion ho�a lci:g they were going 1:0 ;�ait for t:)�e pcti�ioner befor.e they too}: acti_on on this rec�ucst. iic ;aid t_h^ neiyhuors had all siyneci L-lie petition ac;�inst any rezon.ing of thcs� lpi.s and tliis �aas tl�e four. L-h tinte they have come to a meet:i.iiq on tl7i_s same r.eqiicsL-. 'Plic riciqhbors £elt that a decision should be �na'dc on thi.s rcqucst ai: this n�eeti3�y. bfOTION 1�?7 I,indbl.td th.�t thc Pl.�nning Comnrission consider tlzis rege�est at t)ii.s tirne. 7'he �nvt:.ion Jied i"or lncfi oI a second. • Mr. Ariq�ns said he �obulr3 like to fi.nd out: if: r4�. Reinertson mei� ,� wit-h ihc scltool l�on�-<l. t�ir.s. O'Neill sai.cl he agr.ced i=o meet coith i:hc 11ci.gilbor.s �ind 3;0 o��c pr.usent h, ; hzd any mectin9 �vi.th him. Slie s;.iid tlic sch��ul I�oard �eiit a].et_Lur :;La�inq iheY taere opposed to the o�-ic�inr�1 proposzi2, so if thcy h:c��e ��grec�d to �i new pr.onosal, it was safc to as:;tnuc i:hat thcy would hzvc notilicU tli thcy haQ ayr.ced to :;omethi.ng clif:fcrcni:. Mr. IIar.ri.s said i.hat if- i-hc Planninc� Commission sliould taY,e a negati.ve acti.on an tliis rcquc:,t hc �aoulcl li}:c L'hc petitione"r i:b •be pres<�nt {:a hc�ar the rcasons. � �Mr. L'indbl�id said we I7avc been coni:int2ing L-his reqtiest since Pebru��ry. Hc said he thought the neighbors �-:ere entit].ed to qei= a decisi.on on t.his toniyht.. tdrs. O`Ne.ill asl:ed if they c�:r_re goi.ng to give thc petiti.oner an. oppqrtcuiity to .�n;�c�ir all. evc;�i_nq. T)�is was a long aqcnda a�;d :;pie didn't t:hin;: it t.��is fair to kr.op the ncic7libois hcrc a.<zi.i_iny. As iar. as she t•:as conccr'n<��d, thc petitioner hasn' t do�:e any o� the tl�ing� he had aqrecd ul�on at thc last mecting. 1�p1'i0�; b,� I indbl �d, ceconded sef �� ti�rte 1 ima. L of J: 30 I.l�1, ta er appc:ared or rct. Uyon a voice carricd unanimousl�. by Harris, th��t the Planninq Corrmiss;n; consider ihis item wlicther tl�c peiit?.on ro��, a1.Z voting aye, the motiorr ht 9:30 P.1�i. Cliairman Fitzpat.rick sai_d i:he pc4itio�ier has not ag��t�.arec� bui: �ae have a,recd tl:at �:�e �•:oUld ma?:e a ciecision on this rezoriing .requcst, ZOi� =,`74-01, Uy lienning IQelson Construct}on Cc;n1�a?1�' whetlicr tlie petii.io*ier app� ared or no�, at ch? s i:ime. He suic3 tl:e Pla;.ninq Conm�i::sio;: l:as a petition £rom the �;eic�iibors aqainsi any rezoni.ng o� this pi°operL��. ��'�� h4ve a leti=er from the sr_hool uoard in opposition to any increase i:i density of this property. � k�7r. Dricsa�7s sai� tlie pet'itioner, has nct come foiwa�d eaith a�i}� fic;uYes tc shoti�> that it is econemicaily unfeasible Lo Lui_ld R-1 Lcusi�:!g ' in this ar.ea. iv'e have a report from the administration sho;aing L'ne number of Ito�;ics �hat liave becn constrt�c�ion alonc3 and on FasL River Roaci during thc� past year. � MOTIOh' by Ilarris, seconded by Lzndh.Zad, that the P.Zanni.ng Co^�r::i�sic close the Yi�bJ._ic ilearing on the rezoning rar,uest, 7,OA 6=7;.-DI, by J:ennir,�r Nelson Construction Con�n�ny. Upon a voice voLe, a1.1 voC�ng ayc, tLe motion carried i�nnnimously. 1;OTI07d by )iazris, �econdcd by Drig<zns, tiiat the Planni7ag Co:n,iis�ion recor:r;nend to Coui�ci.I deni.a.2 of the r.c•z.oning rc,ue�t, ZO:I i;74-OI, by llenning P:e) �nn Consti•c�ctinn Cor::pan!;, to rezone Lots l3, I�1, 15 and 16, 73lock 2, l:ivez�vicir �7a.nor, fro�a R-1 (sing2e fa:rril� di,�ellinq aJ-ea;;) to R-3 (qenez'a1 rnu.itiple famil� ui+�ellinq areasJ to a12oc.� consLr�rction of an aparimet�i: compl:?s t:o bc Iocated South of 71st I•:ay c�nd lPest of li�:st Pic�er P.oad, foz' tl:e i'o12o�:�ing r.casons: 1 2. 3 This .is sI>ot rezoning, i�hich is against Cit� pol.ic?I- A nced hos'not becn shon•n that i.0 iJOU]d bc economica.2lg unfcasiblc Co bu�1d singlc familg homcs in this area. Oppo,ftion Irou� ScLoo1 Uistr.icC (i.i4 on I�i]iier densiLy in this area. � .�.�,... .. . ^.'.,,}..• � � > . -- •-� ruijr_ 4 . �.. C'P� 9. Pot,it..ion from the neighbors opposing af» rezoning of this pz•operCy. 5. IPe do not belicvc thaC R-3 �oniny i.s comp<�L.ible with the � surroutada.ng �zrea. G. The pct•.it.ionca- w�s requcst:ed Lo �;�orY, wii-h ille school board and the �nrrr.oundinry r�cighLor:; on a more suitoblc p1an, t�nd this wtis t,ot do��c. A1r. Dri��an� saic7 he tliouc7hi; the Cow7ci_1 should Ue aiaarc thai. tae have haQ threc 7ncai.i_�:cJs Sri.tll Lhc peti.ti.oner. pr.esent. `Lhis i:; the four.th muctS.ng ��n1 thc pet.itioncr_ aras not� herc. AlChough this �•ras the iirst .ii.em on the agencla, �:e did noc t�7;c 4ction uirtil 9:�0 �I'.M., y.ivi�ig tl�e Z:��tition�r cv�ry opZ�ortunity i_o aL-Lend this meetiiic�. i, f �,l ,. � �, �, UP0i7 A VDICL voL-c, �iII vviinq �:gc, i-1�e moL.i.on cnrried i>>7animously. `. . _ o .,..,._..,. ---------- --- - � .� � � orricin� raor�c� CITY OF FRIDI_EY PUl3LIC HEARIIJG f3EFORE 111[ PL/11�iJIfIG COh�;4ISSI0P� TO ldlIOI�1 IT I�AY CO�CEftil: �otice is hereby given tfiat there �rill be a Public Hearin� of the Planning Cor:n�issio�i of the City of Pridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenu� Plortheast on l�lecl�iesday, I•"arch 17, 1976 in t1�e Council Chambet• at 7:30 P.hi. for the purpose of: ' Conside�ation of a Prapose� Pre'i,r,tinury °lat, P.S. #776-03, Dorstad Addiiion, by Lriyh Invesimer.ts, Inc., being a replat of Lot 39, Revised Auditor's Subdirision No. 77, lying in ti�e NOI�L41 N�lf of Sectian 10, T-30, R-24, City of Pridle;�, Cowrcy of Anoka, Piinnesota. Generally locuted on the l3c:st side oP the iniersection of Osborne Road and East River Road. � t',n,yone desiring to b� heard rrith reference to the abo��e matter may be heard at this time. PuUlisii: N�arch 3, 1976 March 10, 1976 � RICHAIiD H. FI�.RRIS C.HP,I R1�hIt�J PLFli1'(VING COi�J�I�SIQP: �r„ . NUh1f�GR�� "!J� � � iCrF1 /,J�.�s�n^<,�.'TS� /.�%G �Ai'PLFC��I''S SIGtCA'CURP. ��. �„ :n ��^ ��'�� - 6305 F.ast : ver itoad Aduress fridley, riinnesota 55��3Z 5bo-29?0 Tclephonc Numbcr , --- �.�-� �.. �(�fU� �;�� *E-z- r- � % ' PROPI:R'Cl 011'NCI2'S SIGh`ATURI: . � `,' ; -�/i��:,;._:��. ��'�`�� . 0 East River Road, Fridley, �i��n Address ��5 7��+-655� ielep]tone humUer`� ' west side i.ast �Sver Road �: � end of Osborne Road, Street i,ocation of Property - ci�r�� r raiu�.ev n,i;:::rsnrn 1'LANNING ANU ZONINC P�RDi � 5�. �. ` � �� TYYG Or RCQUGST Rezoning Speci.al Use Pei-m:t XXXX Approval of I'rom:^- inary F, Pintil Plat Streets or Rllcy Vacat ior.s . i' Othe _ i ' 't Fee v50.00Receipt No. %% �`�!' is Legal 1lescri.ption of ProperYy See attache3 La�al descrintion Present Zoning Classification R-1 ExisY.ing Usc of Property Residential Acreage of Property 2"3�` � �_ ��scr�be Uriefly the pronosed zciiing classification or tppe of use anci improvemcnt rroposed xetain H-1 classification and subdivide for residential development. � tlas the present appli_cant previously sought to rezone, plat, oUt?iX X los splinoor variance or special use permit on the subject si*c or pQrt o£ ��o ert��yo+�ner had What was requested and �rhen? �u`a'iivision requested in 1,72 - P preliminary plat approval but did not submit haxdshells far the final approval. � T1�e undersigned understands that: (aj a list of a11 residents and oc.�ners of propertv :F witliin 30D fect (350 Leet for rezoning) %�1�-t be attached to this ap;Iication. (U) 77iis ap�:lication mus� be signed by al] oirners ef the prenerty, or an explanati.on ; given r:hy this is not the czse. �ej Responsibi.lity for any defect in the prccecdi�i�s ;i resultiu; from the failLn�e to list tihc nam.es �nd addresses of all residents and ! property o�ancrs of property in que,Yion, bclongs to tiie ondersigncd. t{ A skctch of proposed rropert}' and struc*ure must be draxat and attached, siiowing the i; follrnring: 1. north DirecCion. 2. Locatio:r of proposec! structure on the lot. �i 3, lliinensions of property, proposed structurc, and front aad side seCUacks. , 4. 5treet Names. S. Location and usc of �d.lacent existir,g Uuildings �ti�i.tl�iu 3G0 feet).' '1'he undcrsigned hereby declares that aJl the £acts amd representations stated in tVi`�v application are t�ve and correct. ` ' � � ,� �' �.: ,-�-�- `� %✓ `'� �:' �! - � �"� }`rt i , � ,. , , slcvnTO�;r: ,� ,!u� a�� ...7=� --! 4� �, l f on�rr. �- a�F � L ��L�c;,;� r� f Dai.c riled Date af 1lcari Planning Couunission Approvecl ^ City Council Approved (clates) 'Jc=ni.eJ�,------- id;ites) Ucnicd_ D. G. Niner A. Fust '3'. J. Kiiig i L. F. Chevalier T. S. Duffy D. L. Greenwoo3 A. H. Lucast C. M. Kam I. D. Remacke G. Daniels B. C. Ellis i4, C. A7esser ,3, A. Fisher C. A. Pleison • G. J. Dean R. C. Frice H, J. Floof :!. H. Peters P. F,. Pierce A. J. Ho;en J. li. Alaloy T7, L. Rogne C. H. Olson M. Bangsund 'r� . Gay Norman J. Her�o� � Raymond A. Pxiem Leslie Mi11er Fr,idley A & iy Restaurant ��unt, � t_J_ 12 Talmadge 4Jay�N. �. 24 Talmadge Way N. E. 3b Talmadre tJay N. E. 48 Talmad�e iJay N. E. 60 Talmad�e iJay.N. G. 61 Tal�:a�lre '+�ay N. r.. 100 Talma3v,e ''riay N. �� 120 ?almad�;e 'riay N. �' Z23 Talmad�;e ilay N. B 105 Talmadge �day N. � 115 'I'almadge ;day ti . .� 130 Talmad�e l�lay N. � �5 - 75in Ylay Id, �. 55 - 75th :day :� . �. 65 - �Sth :��ay N. E. 77 - 75th '�tay N. E. 91 - 75th kay N. E. 105 - 75th +7ay N. �. 119 - %Sth Way N. E. 133 - 75tn ;Jay N. ... 7j09 E. River Road �505 r,. r�iver Road �501 E. River Roa.d 91 Osborne Rd. 7479 E. Hiver Road 115 Glen Creek Rd. 7356 E. River Road 756o E. River Road 7429 i. Rivez Road I�r.idley Fridley Fridley Fridley- Fridley 'rridley Fridley Fridl.ey Fridley Fri@ley Fridlc.y Fridley T'ridley Fridley Fridley Fridley Pridley Fridley Fridley r ridley rridley Fri3ley Pridley Fridley Fridley Fridley Fridley l�ridley Fridley �� '��`!� `?1 ��Jt?�( t �� '4; �l�'�� - 17 p,S. #76-03 DORSTAD ADDITION 4t�I � �_ �. 3�{�., �¢ pQ /�'�'.°;� 9� ��, �" �� '� Leigh lnvestments, Inc. � � ,� :! , /✓ � �� ; �;lt�'�, \�ti .,��1�:= �� Replat Of Lot 39> A.S. 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' �'-: , a • :..fF ....... �, 3<r�� 1 r. � -�- � 1 , � {« `;: � -� �, 'c , / � J`/?_._ JS� l�3 .,- 1 r_ ,?i_�S -� n •� \ � � f.S ( : n . .. ._ J , ,...� L. f.l . /� ,n�.. ��i �� S� �• � � � . .< <� �,(�. . .'i f:� r� ' i' '"_"' . ' .. . , ' .;_'. / . �' . l�/r, ..�_,...-�-, ..�t, i >,��il ! � ../�. ^..� �"'. t � J r , . : ��` r t3� ;%��( ` "- p �- , -t-+ � r� ' � ��3.�/ ' �. �/ . -/ �f A, i �J yl�. . ... � .7 �✓".t.\` ['/�� /' , ! /S .. . . � .- j' c� :�� - - ' 4 ' il� `.�lC�s�,-\ .. � ��J`�� . ,.. - "7'� �i�` , p. r" . . . . ... , . . � � � . . . . _ � . .. , . . . �... �. , _ �'I'�J� i ' 1.2'i ; , . _ .. �, �„'.,.°�� Plats & Sutis.�Sti._& L'til. t4tR. - �uip 12, 1972 Page 5 �presently zoned C-1, con*ingent upon an application for rezoning R-I for the � remaining C-1 area and that the commercial Iot be split into approximately SI feet for Lot S and Lot 2 to be 71 feet with the necessary easements to a1ZOw continuiny the water and sewer access foi Lot 1. Upon a voice vote, aZ1 - voting aye, the motion carried unanimous2y. ri � /� 4 PROPOSED Flti^LIFII:<.+R�' PI.A.T P.S. ti'72-02 DORSTaD ADDTTxON i3] EZr'AP. "TED" _ .a.s _� __-- -�- -- DORSTAD: A ra�lat of LoL 39, P�vised P.uditor�s Subdivision �177 except that part to Greenwaod (Yarcel 5640). Mr. and Mr3. IIorstad uere present. Mr. Clark ey:rSai..e� thae Hr, Do,stad requested rezoning to R-3 about a month ago. At that tiae tt:e discusszon was to divide into residential lots with a street r�enning thtough the center. The Plaaning Cowmission and �eople thought double bunga2ows on East River Ro�,d would be acceptable with single family residences or. the renaining property. The next proble� was ti_e stze�t, Some day there will be a median pue d�,an East River Ro2d and the interior streets will not have access to Bast River Road excepting to go South. The tYaffic signal would be at 79th Avenue and Osborne Foad and would take caze o: [ke Ieft turns going Notth. Ae had talked to Mr. Lundheim recently who sai3 he does not Sike the plat but will ccntinue to r*ork on the design. They probably would have to get additional ri�ht of way on the West side. N.r. Lundheim asked about getting additional easements along East River Road for slope or sidewalk. The houses on the West side are loca[ed close to East Rivez Road. The strvctures on the East side are set back pretty far. He asked to be given opportunity to give 3t more study. Mr. Clark said the lots abutYing East River Road meet the minimum abea requirements for R-2. The nzatermair. is en the F.ast side of East Rivei Raa3, The �ewer would be open cu�', and the sLorm seurer is in to Tal�nadge no�r. Refer- riag „ta TaZmad�e Lane, if rh� buildiaU:, ao threugh, Talmadge Lane would be sur��ced. There is e�augh rigfia'. uY eaa�, Osborne Road is 50 ieet wide 4rith a 66 fcw t right of caay. k4r. Clark suggested Mr. Dorstad falk to l.r. Greemrood ezcplaitring that it �;ould be to the City`s a3var.tage and Mr. Greenwood's 3f he would incYuu� tds - g�rcel in the Dorstad plat. !n"7TZON by French, seconded by bteissner, that the P1ats � 5ubdivisicns - Streets & Utilaties Subcor.�ittee recoimtte�d approval of th� preIir,unary plat, � P.S. #72--OZ, Uarstad Addition to the PLanning C�ission, to repZat .L<s� 34, Revised Auditor's Subdivi.sion p77 e;rc;��,: that part to Green�ood (P�a�cvl 5640j Stcb,j�v;t to poss.ibTe easeu�ents for atiZiCies on tha lvest side of EasC River Road, �=a�� th�- Easte.x•ly side oF the pzopartg, and considaratian'be qiven to the rcali�.v;�nt of Osborne Road somewheres close as shoNn on the proposed p1at. ifpon a woice vote, a21 voting aye, the rr�tion carried uaanimovsly. S. YAT SYLIT � Moore Lak� .s. a�z-ab� nx rnts. ta be split into two Afrs. Marion lohasan vas present. LoC 1, Block 2, and 120x100. �, �2 4ll P lanninps i:ommi.ssion '-teeti n� -- J�.ilv �4. L.`, � 2 _ I'ai�� 3 Mr. Clark added that there was a pretty good chance 79th AvenUE:{appl� �i� � constructed, pYObably as soon as next year. Lt would have an inCeXsEteKko�} w$$h pniversity Avenue along the Southbound lane. The crossover is at 8isC (1vei7uo� MU'lZON Ly Fitzpattick, secondad 'uy Zeglen, that the Planniny CoaunlssipA G�os� gh� Public i,'�ariny of the Special U.sa Yerrti.L, SP N72-09, by H<,ege_'e O�Itdoor �jdvertisiny Co. to construct a side by side poster on Parcel 5400• V�n � V4ige VOte, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimnusly. � � Mr. Minish asked if the Environmental Committee was actually functicning, He ChoughC this sign probleu� could be so:aething they �aioht like Go Wpxi� wlGh, Mr. Erickson asiced how many more signs could be legally placed. Mr. Clark answered that most of the signs are in the last blocks between $3r� and $5th Ati-enues. So�ue are advertising signs and not the size of Uillkoards. �ere could be one more besides this sign. MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Fitzpatrick, that the P1an�ing Cqrrc�lssioA reconunend approval to Council of tne Specia2 Use Permit, SP k72-09, w#� tne .�qjlos,�ing stipul.ations: The sign sbould be 12'xi" sr.,y7e faced. If there ].S cOAStrUCtion of an industrial or com��rcial b��ilditi� w'_[fiir. 3Q0 fEet, the szgll wouZd have to be rerrroved. When the construction of ?9th Avenue and Unirersity Avenue is beyun, the sign must co:ne down six months after commencement of the CoAStruction since 79tb Avenue wau:3 be an intersection wlu'ch requires d s$�A �p be $p0 feet from the in�ersact.or. Vpc;n a voice voee, a1i �-oc:ng age, tjle mo�ion carried unanimously. �, DORSTAP -- mRST>D ADDITlON: A replat division i177 except part to Greenwood Mr. and Nfrs. Dorstad were present. PLAT P.S.li72-OZ, SY E1N:1K ..i of Lot 39, Revised Auq�t4r's (Parcel 5640). MO�'SON by Minish, seconded by Schmedeke, that the Planr�ing G4mtniS;.;piy wa�ve_ �tye seading of the Pu�1ic Nearing notice�for the Proposed Prelim$zta�y ��a�� P,$. q�2-02, Dorstad Rddition by Einar Lbrstad. Upon a voice vo�e, s73j vpL1�g �i+��f �jle lfiotion carried unanimously. Mt. Clark said that at [he first meeting in June, Mr. Dorstad hd� � i'�ZQni�$ iCe� for this parcel. The Hearing was closed and action delayed �ntil �11� g�?G Was ready for review. Af[er looking at the plat, Mr. Dorstad would ;eG9AS��,=T th� Tezpning request. MY. Clark con[inued that the preliminary plat shows a street FV�1R�n$ �� yd West from Talmadge Lane connecting to 75th Avenue and East jt�Vex' �iq8d ��1FCd� i�qFGh pf Qeborne road. Previously there had been eome discussi4T1 Qf putC3A� a LpTt� around on Talmadge Lane, but the nev plan made it unnecessaZy� 'j'j1�T� x�11 8�1�11 be access to the Southbound lane, but not on the Noith6o�nd• `ThG&� Yii��, b9 BiD81e £amily homea on the lots exceQt that the lots on East River R4a� W@4!Ld �� Tezpned to R-2 for double bungalowa. �3 g�annin CoQ�ission Meetin� - Jul 7°., 19;7 Pa'� ' � • MC, Lundheim had not had time co laok the plat over, but ie will �'Q �Qng��red �J 1� COnjUnction with the plans foz East River Road. The houses Qq �h@ k��C 6i�Q ( Of East River Road are set back furthex than the ones on the West WhiCh �F� �14se I CA the road. � Chairman Erickson said he thought, as long as the minimn� �pt aixs is �QaQQQ square feet, somethir,g could be worked out with the 3ntezsection at F+?st P+�v.'.x ?Oad And the road that goes_through the plat. If the line on L9C 7 cou�d b� �4ved back a little from East River Road, there would be a Iittle raorg fqt t1��C pf Way. As £ar as utilities �o, Mr. Clarl� said the water line tuns doW4i the WesG side of East River Road on the West si3e of the cur�. Sewer runs out to ��st jtiver Road or South to Talmadge Way. The storm �ewer is on Talmadge W2y a[�d drains towards East River Road. The suggestion was made to Mr. DorsZad �p approach Mr. Greenwood, �ho ow�s Parcel 56k0, asking him if he would wanC tQ �4�n in the platting. Mr. Greenwood's lot is IIO'r,165' or 13,200 sc�u�Te f�:'-�� Mr. Clark continued that the lots along East Fiver Road wou�d bave �esFFitte4� a��@sS to �ast River Road,'but they would be able to come out by onQ oF ej�Q ng��b9ring streets Co the liigh�ay. 'There would be seven R-1 �ots and tjllCee R-2 14L&• MOTION by Zeglen, seconded by Schmedeke, that the PZannzn9 Cqmm7.ssion c�qse t1�e Public Xearing of the request for a Yreliminary P1at, �'.S. M7?>P2f P4?z'Sr�i� �d�i�t$on by Einar "Ted" L`orstad. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting �y�! t�� I�Bkl47! CdFT3e(� Unaninously. � �ir. Fitzpatrick referred to the residents North of OsUorne Roa�i ancj �ast ei ��s� �{3yer Road stating he felt they were very much involved y,-ith �h�.s pla¢. �� w�e So;�y the Co�issiou had noC heard trom them. It seemed t9 �?�m t��r� wqul5l 'pe � gzeat advantage for them,in the planning of the new Osbor�g j?9?c�, tq be p�esen�. Mr. Clatk aaid they had received noticea of hoth the platting a�14 r@Z9ri1�4�� Mr. Schmedeke said the general feeling of the Plata S$ubdivislor��-$tSegC� �S Uti.l�Xies $ubcommittee �aaa that this was a logical plat. It was a�ong fihe 1�hes th� $lanning Cou�ission was thinking at the time pf the rezoniqg. �tae ��€�t 511�6 Ch� 4b,j6��ion was the R-3 rezonin�. Nma that the lots meet the pegp�i �+Pgfl �gS�yi�ement, the plat aeemed the logi=al road to follow. He W�s g�}F�i��a� E��t �� people on the East side did not shov up. The atreet going �t�xou�h �h,e lA1�� oY th� plat nay vary some. Ft aiay slip South to meet Oaborne Road 51��A4�F1� 1��4� j�(�, Lundheim. His reco�endation would be for approval subject C9 �a��FAg1it6 Pit Ehe West side, possible alignment of the stzeet further South if nee� k�, Bt��? ��&� pn West side of East RiveY Road are to be double bungalowB (R^�� d� �h4 �glRUCe of the plat R-1. Chairman Srickaon eald that Osborne Road renl3gnment �ouid be nintm�w�d by igQ}�j.A$ Che boundaries of Lot 1, Slock 1 and Lota 1 and 7, Sloo}S 2, tp ��g� �p�}C�l� IS Woq��i perhaps cut off oaly 20 feet of that corner but would hel� m�R1?„i�.eP Xh4 �qpx pP �ving Oeborne Road. . � �� ni��in¢ Gommission Meetin� - July 1�:1972 page 5 Mr. Clark said he was thinking about the cost to ohveritfar inett?erstudypunti� have to be condemned. You can [ ask .ir. Lundheim to g y h� knows the land will be platte<i , MOTION by Schmedek�, secondcd by �rt'.=sh, t.`�at the Planning Co7[�n1S5�PA T�GOrq^ mend to Covnci2 approtal c,F �he Pn.:irrut�_.cy t�lat, P.S. N72-02, Dorstad $dd�tlPnr by Einar "2ed" nozstad b�.iny a rrplat of L,.c 39, Revised Auditor's Subdiyis�on },'77 except that part tu Fir.. Gzeenwood (Yar.:el 569Q) subject to possible uti�ity easements on the West side of East �iver koad, that the extension of 75th Way be nx�ved as far Sout}� as pc_sib2e thus crtating a minimum siae�i building 1ot tc Ixne up with OsY.orne Ro�d, arc' requeGti.y Coancil take whatever steps necessary Co acq�ire as mach of the corner of Ostorne Road and East River R4ad tq aZlow the extension of Osbo�ne Road. Upon a voice vote, a1I voting aye, the mpt�on carried unanimously. tiOTSON by Fitzpatri�k, s�conded by 2eylen, that the Planning Co�issip?7 reopen the Rezoning R��:st. ZOR l,'72-05, t�y �Eii.ar "'led" T�orstad to �ezQne froA! R_Z �,�_3, j,r,t ,3g, ?��;ised Auditor`s Subdicisi��n #�7 excegt part to Greenwoqd (Parce2 5640}. Upon a c�aice vote, all voting aye, the motion earried unani7nously. Chairman Erickson asked if there were any c�mments fzom Lhe audience regard- j.p� the �ezening. The original request was Lo rezone the properKy t4 �'3• Tt?? proposal new is to change only the three lots along East River Road to A-2 2eaving ��e rest of the plat R-1. There were no co�nents. PtOTION by Fitzpata-ick, secor.ded by Zeglen; that the Planning Comrr4.ission clqse the Pvblic £learing on the Rezoning Fequest, ZOR H72-05, by Finar "Ted" lJorstad �p rezone from R-1 to R-3, iZevised Auditor's Subdivision N.'7 except Parcel 5640, �1pon a voice vote, aII voting aye, the motion carrie3 vnanimously. Chairman Erickson said the only comment he could make was th2C fihe 3ecisi.4n pf Che Planning Commission was not final, but it more or less comm�tCed �he Cou�- p�ission. Going back in the hfstory, Mr. Dorstad was not intereste� �n deve�np° j.ng A-1 originally. Mr. Schmedeke said for his ocm protection, becauae he is goigg �o R^� C!@x� Lo East River Road frora R-1, 2{t. Doxstad should proWide some type of buf��T� preferably evergreens, to make it compatible with the area and grotectirig the neighbors. ' Cha3rman Erickson asked Darrel Clark i£ he weze certain the Goun�y W1�7� put 1n a med�an. MT. Clark anawered his understanding uas "yes", but no time was s�x, .' MI�TZON by Minish, seconded by Zeglen, that the P2anning Cou9n3SS.ior� rBCOnpaP.»d to Council approval of the Rezoning Request, ZDA M72-O5, by EindF '��'ed" D0�'��aQ Gp rezane from R-1 (single family dwelling area>) to R-7 !�T✓o family dwejliAg � dreas) Lot l, Block I, Lots 1 and 7, Block 2, Dorstad P1at (Propose�l and .in thQ � deyelopment of these Zots no access be onto East River Road, subjeGt �p �SRaj approval of the plat, P.S. #72-02. Dorstad Addition. Upon a v0ica YgteF cll� � ypCing aye, the motion carried unanimously.