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PL 06/23/1976 - 6587�----- � CITY QF FRIDLEY A G E N D A (AMENDED) PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 23, 1976 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANNIidG COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 19, 1976 APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 9, 1476 RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 183 1976 RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 25, 1976 RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COhU1ISSI0N MINUTES: MAY 24. 1976 RECEIVE HUHIAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: JllNE 3, 1976 RECEIVE COMMUNI7Y DEVELOPMENT CQMMISSIQN MINUTES: JUNE 8, 1976 RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 15, 1976 1. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PENMIT, SP #76-07, BY NANCY MELBIE: To al ow a child care center for ten children, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3, F, in an R-i Zone (single family dweiling areas), to be located on Lot 12, BTock 3, Meadowmoor Terrace Addition, the sa� being 1346 Meadowmoor Drive N.E. 2. PUBLIG F A PRELIMIfJARY PLAT DARREL A. fARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: BeSng a repiat , of Lots 1 to 4 inclusive, Blocks 21 through 26, and also part of Lot l, Block 28, Innsbruck North 7ownhouses Third Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. 3. : REOUES7 FOR A SPECIAL USE 76-08, BY PHILLIP M. WILLSON: To permit the convers5on of a one family, two story house to a two family house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3, D, to be located on Lot 2, Block 1, Froid's Addition, the same being 401 Ironton Street N.E. 7:30 P.M. PAGES 6{4/76 Agenda 1-7 6/9/76 Agenda 6/9/76 Agenda 6/9/76 Agenda 8 - 14 15 - 18 19 - 25 6/9/76 Agenda 6/9/7fi Agenda 26 - 29 � 4. PU6LIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERP4IT, SP 1l76-09 30 - 34 BY STAV'S SUPERETTE: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101, 3, N, to allow an outside display area fo a hydroponic growing system, to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Block 3, Ree's Addition, the same being 6483 University Avenue N.E. AMENDED AGENDA � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 23, 1976 7:30 P.M. Page 2 9. REQUEST FOR A VACATION, SAV #76-03, BY ROBERT 35 - 36 SCHROER: Vacate the street easement on the Southerly 33 feet of the Easterly 2D0 feet of Lot 4, Block 2, East Ranch Estates Second Addition 6. COMPANY (JOHN LOGAN): Split Lot z, Huaitor�s �uo- division No. 94, into three building sites. (Zoned R-2, will be developed as R-1). Generally located at Hillwind Road and I.694. 37 - 39 7. RE-EVALUATION OF STREET LAYOUT NEAR NORTH PARK: 6/9/ AGENDA (PETITION 8-1976). 8. STREET W1DiH STANDARDS 9. � �� 6/9/ AGENDA 40 - 41 � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CITY OF FHIDLEY JUNE 9, 197b CALL TO ORDER: Ch&irtnazl Narris :'called the meeting to order at 7:45 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Aarris� Bergman, Gabel Members Absent: Others Present: Due to lack of a informallv, as no Langenfeld, Peterson� Shea� Wahlberg Jerrold Boardman, City Planner this entire Plannine could be made and no APPROVE PLANNING COFIMISSION MI4lUTES: MAY 19,_1476 PAGE 1 taken. _� Chairperson Harris asked if there was any discussion on the Planning Commission minutes, and Mr. Boardman stated that every motion the Planning Commission makes except when receiving material or opening or closing public hearings� or sending something down to a member Commission�should be a recommendation for approval by Council because the Planning Commission is only a recommending body and cannot make final decisions. Mrs. Gabel said that on page 3, the last paragraph should have read Appeals Commission instead of Planning Commission. � RECENE ENV'IRONt3Et+TAL 4UALITY COIrS1ISSI0N MINUTES: MAY 18, 1476 Chairperson Harris asked i£ there was any in£ormal discussion on this� and Mrs. Gabel asked how Petition No. 8-1976 came about. Mr. Boardman answered that it was started by a group of people who live around Ruth Circle Park who Nere concerned about total road development in that area. Mr. Boardman pointed out that the Ehvironmental Commission made some good points regarding the Youth Center, RECEIVE APPEAIS CO"L*4ISSION MINUTFS: MAY 25, 1976 Chairperson Harris asked if there was any discussion on the Appeals Comnission minutes, and Mrs. Gabel stated that they did act on the Youth Center after Ned Storla made his presentation� and made a motion that they were in favor of it. � �� Planning Commission Meeting - Jvne 9, 1976 Pa�e 2 RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION MINUTFS: MAY 2lx, 1976 Chairperson Harris stated he thought there was a lot to be discussed, trut without representation Yrom the Parks and Recreation Commission it would be difficult. Mrs. Gabel said that on page 11 of their minutes it said that the Community Schools had o£fered the Youth Center to come under their auspices� and it had been previously stated that the school board was not interested in it, She asked for clarification on that matter. Mr. Boardman explained that the Community Schools are different from the School Board, and they are the ones that made the offer. Mrs. Gabel asked what the Community Schools do, and Mr, Boardman answered that they have the Fine Arts Committee, theatricals, city band, etc. He added that there were people from District 11� xho were involved in Community Schools, but it is not necessarily tied to the School Board. Chairperson Harris noted that the Parks and Recreation Commission had £ormed a Recreation Study Project Coimnittee, and said that whenever a groject committee is formed it should be requested that the Chairperson of that Commission submit the names of the people on the project committee so it could go to the City Council. Mr. Boardman said they would then keep a running acount of project cocmnittees and what they are active in, and the Cor+missions would be able to keep an up-to-date account of those committees and who was involved. Mr. Bergman stated that the Community Development Commission had two project committees now; a sign cormnittee and another for bike and walk�+ays, He said that bike and walkways was a controversial topic and there would be some discussion on it. He commented that the one on Mississippi Street looked Zike a two-lane street instead of a bike lane. Mr. Boardman stated that the bike system was not officially opened yet, and that striping and signing xere not completed yet, Mr, Boardman explai.ned that the County had agreed to a bike system and they had received some Federal monies that they had to spend or lose, and that is what they did, He further explained that the monies set aside by the Federal Government crere for edge striping. Mr. Bergmsn stated that a goodly share of those stripes that were put down were in the s+z�ong place, and mat�y Nere worn off already. Mr. Boardman said that was because they went through a rrinter and winters were very tough on striping. 1. PUBLIC HEARINU: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP /j76-07, BX NANCY MELBIE: To allox a child care center for ten children� per Fridley City Code� Section 20$.051� 3� F� in an R-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas)� to be located on Lot 12, Block 3, Dieadowmoor Terrace Addition, the same being 131t6 Meadowcnoor Drive N.E. Chairperson Harris informed Mrs. Melbie that there wasn�t a quorum present so they could not hold a public hearing. She asked if this wou2d be reschedu2ed for the next Planning Commission meeting� and he replied it xould be. 2. PUBLIC HEARTNG: CONS PLAT. P.S. a replat of Lots 1 to inclusive� Blocks 21 through 26, and also part oi' Lot 1, Block 28� Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition� to allox changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side of East $avarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. � � i �� Planning Cormnission Meetin� - June 9, 1976 Pap,e 3 Mr. James Lortkn� representing Darrel A, Farr Development Corporation, and Mr. Lorin Woods, of 55l12 E. Bavarian Pa,s, Fridley, were present. Chairperson Harris explained that the Commission would be more than happy to discuss the petition informally but could not take any action on it at this meeting � as they could not hold a public hearing beeause of lack of a quorum. Ne stated that the public hearing items would be rescheduled for trhe next meeting. Mr. London stated they were aking £or two double garages and two single garages in each building instead of four single garages that they had now, He said the ground cover would be increased by 16� per building� and they felt the units would be more salable with that type of a double garage and that was their reason £or it, He stated he had given this plan to the President of the Townhouse Association some time ago� and also to the Architectural Control Co�nittee Chairman, Jerry Anderson� and hadn't received any negative responses from either one. Mr. Woods said that since neither of those gentlemen could atiend the meetiag he had been invited to come in their place� and he felt that since the public hearing had to be postponed until a later date he would rather have one of them state their position since he had gotten this second-hand and didn�t have a chance to look over the plans himsel£. Mr. London asked cahat his £eelings were on it, and t�ir. Woods stated that he lived adjacent to where the first set oY' garage stalls would be built and his own personal opinion was thaL he was against it. He asked what was the present spacing between the garages that are presently constructed, and Air. London said the spacing betr�een the garages varied. He said it seemed there were a minimum of three parking spaces between any garage and sometimes four. Mr. � Woods said that if they went along wi-th the plar.s it would eliminate at least one parking space for guests, and this was essentially the biggest complaint against seeing the garage sizes increased. He continued that many times people who oxned garages still lei't their cars out Y'or convenience reasons. Mr. London asked how this aYYected Mr, Y�oods, ano Mr. Woods replied that one of' the larger garages would be right beside his dwelling. r1r. London said yes� tnere would be, but that garage is being added to away S'rom t�r. Woods' block rather than tioxards his side. He stated it afi'ected the people in iilocks five and six in that tnere would be larger garages across the street. Chairperson Harris asked if these units had automatic garage door openers, and Mr, I,ondon replied that a few did, but the majority didn't. Mr. Harris said he was wondering if they weren�t made an option but were part of the deal if cars would be put away more o1'ten� and thought this might be a partial solution, ru�. London agreed that it might help. Mr. Woods said that even assuming the garage door openers were put on, the amount of parking spaces between the garages would indicate that people who have two cars who have single garages are still going to f'ill up those spaces making a parking problem for the guests oY the units. Mr. London said they had °X" amount of parking spaces whether the cars are in the garages or in the parking lot, and what it does is reserve a parking area in a garage for someone who wants to buy it that way, �, Woads stated that he could understand why they wanted to put in double garages� but as it existed now the amount o2' � space that is there would make it rather inconvenient and difficult. He added that the space For parking was at a premium now Nith single car garages, and he could see it xould still be at a premium as most people have two cars and sometimes boats, recreational vehicles� and that sort of thing, �� Plannin� Commission Meeting - June 9, 1976 Pa,e 1� Mr. Woo@s stated that if everybody used their garages as they ougnt to, there wouldn't be any problem. He added that if the double garages were allowed, it should be mandatory that those people use thei.r �arages or there Would be � � no outside parking. He £urther added that he just had to rely on past history with Lhe way the situation is now when people have parties attracting many guests and the resulting parking crunch. Chairperson Harris asked if he was sayin� that in any case there was not enough parking there, and Ffr. Woods stated that if everyone parked in their garage there would be enough parking, but they don't. Chairperson Harris said he understood they had a very viable Townhnuse Assoc- iation� and suggested that throu�h a little education and a publicit,y progr�m they could helpto remedy that situation.Mr, Woods said perhaps they could, but what he was saying ti+as that when he went home he would like to park relatively close to his own residence. Mr. Boardman asked hovr many outside parking stalls were provided per unit, and Mr. London replied there were 2,25 parking stalls for every unit. ?4r. Boardman suggested designating an outside stall for every unit� but Mr. Woods said he didn't Lhink that would work very well. He cited the example that if :,omeone was having guests over and you came back to find your desi.gnated space parke,d in� what could you do? He stated it wou2d be a very difficult thing to manage. Mr. Bergman asked if they had thought of any w�y to replace those tcaelve Zost outside spaces, and hir. London replied.they hadn�t, He explained it was suggested fairly recently that more garage space be provided� and he said he thought that the double garages would sell. In fact� ne said� many people � asked i£ two-car garages were available� and at the present time they are not. Mr, London explained he had the surveyor take a look at it and asked what could be done witnout ruir.ing the area� and this is ro�hat he came up with. He said at least two spaces were le£t between each garage. Chairperson Aarris said that perhaps they could think about it for awhile� and at the next Planning Commission meeting some concrete suggestions and recommendations could be made. R�-EVALUATION OF STREET LAYOUT NEA.4 iYORTH PARK (P�;TITIO?I 8-197b) Mr. Bergman stated he thought this was very £ully covered in the minutes o£ the Environmental and Community ➢evelopment Commissions meetings. He said the two Comrrtissions were in full agreement that they ought not lose existing right-o£-ways. Mrs. Uabel said that from reading those minutes there wasn�t anything in the future about a road� so she couldn't flally understand why the people petitioned. Mr. Boardman explained the people where trying to avoid a situation that could possibly happen in the fliture. Chairperson Harris said that as far as railroad crossings go� he was not in favor of' one on 83rd� but felt there should be one on 79th� and £elt the one on 77th should be eliminated. Mr. Boardman said there was a cul-de-sac at 79th� but was not sure what would happen there. He said he would just as � soon see 77th eliminated and no crossing to East River Road, Mr, liarris said li� Planninn Commission Meetinp - June 9, 1976 __ pg�e 5 he vould agree �zt he had some neighbors xith dif£erent views� but he didn't � Imow xhat their reasoning was off-hand. Mr. Boardman said that he would like to see industrial property completely cut off from East River Road. As far as 83�1 goes, he stated, he didn't anticipate ever seeing a railroad crossing there. He said there were major transportation routes that serviced that area (132� University and Osborne) and he didn�t see any need £or any more service. Chairperson Harris said there was some pressure from people in the area that they need another crossing� and Mr. Boardman said he would liave to hear their reasoning on that. He stated it was a very well-serviced axea and there would be a signal at 81st. STHEET TrIIDTH STANDARDS Mr, Bergman stated that for planning purposes it seemed ctear to him tnat they should talk in terms oY right-of-ways o£ 66, 60 and 50 feet, and those figures ought to be applied. Mrs. Gabel said that street r+idths seemed to be a rather arbitrary thing, and developers were told different things. She felt the criteria should be the same. Afr. Boardman explained there were standards that are set up, but the City Council chooses to change those standards. Mr. Bergman asked how many feet per tra£fic lane built up to a 36' width, and Mr. Boardman answered there were taro 10� driving lanes and tmo 8' parking � lanes. Mr. Bergman said that is what was backed down to when a better situation wasn�t available, and Mr. Boardman said if they couldn�t get what should be there they could drop down to certain widths, such as 2!�' with no parking lanes, Chairperson Harris said the thing he objected to was the way people were assessed for their streets, and stated he didn't feel it was fair. Mr. Boardman stated that a standard should be set up that 31' streets should be posted "No Parking° on one side. Chairperson Harris said that was correct, and added that if the streets c.ere running straight it was a different ba11 game. He said the long streets Lhat the houses i'ace on should be 36' streets and the cross streets should be 31� streets, and if everything was running in nice little squares that would be fine, but curved streets were different. Ae stated that unless there were long curves people didn�t park right next to the curve� so curved streets should be crider than straight streets. Mrs, Gabel said she agreed� but that seemed like an excuse to make the streets narrower. Mr. Bergmazt said that another philosophy was that on streets which the houses face you want to discourage tra£fic and encourage it on the cross streets to make them the collector streets. He said they have some in Columbia Heights at the request of the citizens to sloyr down the cars. Chairperson Fiarris said it seemed ridiculous to go through the acrobatics of providing off-street parking and then put in 36' streets. Mr. Boardman said that was a point, and wondered why a 56� street was needed in an industrial � area xhere off-street parking has to be provided, Pir. Bergman said that was a relief factor, because when industry makes its plans it doesn�t always stay within the proposed head count and they can run out of parking space. He said they have had this problem at Univac. Plannittg Commission Meeting - June 9, 1976 Page 6 Mr. ber�rtan said that another element to this was the safety factor; kids riding bikes, youngsters walking around parked cars� etc. Mr. Harris said he would much rather see a 2�' street with sidewalks than a 36� street, He asked why 28� or 2�" streets worked in Ittnsbruck and not elsewhere, and Mr, � Boardman said they probably could. Mr, Harris said he would much rather see them go to a 28� concrete street than a 36� asphalt street because of mainten- ance problems, Mr. Boardman said another thing they might want to consider with regard to street width was the housing plan. He said that the larger the street the more assessment there was per structure� and i£ people�s ability to pa,y according to income level was considered� perhaps those streets should be dropped back in low and moderate income level areas so they could more easily afford the street system, Mr. Boardman stated that in a residential area provisions had to be made for some form of parking on the street, and suggested cut-ins. Mr. Bergman said that Stinson Boulevard had done that wiih the cut-ins, and Mr. Boardman said the reason they did that was because it was also their bikeway s,ystem which they have separated from the road. He added that it was very attractive and it would be nice to see that in some residential areas to see if it would work, Mr. Bergman asked crhat someone would guess on the curb to curb widths and parking cut-out widths on Stinson, and 13r. Boardman said it was probably a 21�� road drivi.ng surface with 8' cut-outs. Chairperson Aarris said that if we had narrower streets and are encouraging off-street parking� we are setting a double standard, I+s. Sergman stated that the street parking was necessary for guests for parties, etc., and Mr, � Harris said that not every house in the block was going to have a party on the same night. He said that Y7hat was happening now wiLh 36' streets was instead of the garage being used for its intended purpose, it is being used for boats, body shops} etc.� and the cars end up on the street. Ye said perhaps what they should be doi.ng is recommending larger accessory buildings. Mr. Boardman said that as far as street widths go, most streets in the city are in� curbed and guttered� and he didn't see xhere a lot of conversation was going to make the streets narrower. He said he felt discussion on standards was a little late. • Mr. Bergman sai.d he supposed their discussion on this would carry over until the next meeting� but he was wondering what their conclusion ought to be on their concern about street widths; merely an off-hand suggestion� a resolution or a policy statement. Chairperson Harris said he thought a policy statement. He said he thought the city should have a policy and should follow it. CONTINUED: RECONL^4ENDATIONS ON HUMAN DEVELOPMENT GOALS ArvD OBJ�;CTIVES Mr,.Boardman said he had xanted to talk about D-100 which concerned Parks and Recreation, but didn't think the Commission would want to discuss it at this meeting since there wasn't a representative from the Parks and Recrea- tion Commission present, Chairperson Harris agreed, and said he did have some questions for the Parks � and Recreation Commission. Iie referred to the recreai.ion activities expenditures information which had been handed out at the last meeting, and said that in Planninp, Commission Meetin� - June 9, 1976 Page 7 some of those areas there was more in adr,�inistrative costs and for o£ficials than was spent on the rest of the whole program� and he would like to know how they got there. � Mr. Boardman said that the program didntt go towards individual unor�anized activities� and A�, Ber6man said something should be provided for youngsters who weren't good in team sports. Mrs, Gabel saia she thought recreation shculd encompass more than just sports, Chairperson Harris said he understood the problem because there was a lot of pressure in Fridley for hocke,y, so£tball, etc., but no one exerted pressure for unorganized activities so they didn't happen. Mrs. Gabel said that the Parks and Recreation Commission stated they don�t have enou�h money to appropriate in their budget for a Youth Center, but in the minutes of the last meeting they o£fered $90D that wasn't e��en asked :or towards the building of a shed to store hockey and softball eouipment. She said it made her feel the city is too sporLs oriented, and something should be done. Chairperson Harris said 'ne felt rridley coa13 use a good municipal scrimming area. Re said that Richfield had taScen their liquor fund and puL it into a capital improvements fund and built municipal pools� the city hall, a skaLing arena� warming houses� tennis courts and a nature center, and maintain then out of the liquor fund, He said that part oi Fridley�s liquor fund went Lo build a very expensive liquor store, which has no design and r.o customers. � Mrs. Gabel suggested better-designed buildings should be encouraged �:d pust�ed for, and Mr. Harris said they were actually discouraged because the taxing structure discouraged good design. Mr. Boardman pointed out that the taYing structure was the same in Fridley as in idew Brighton and other corununities which had well-designed buildings. 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Tt�ere fi s a. ct�� a�r ��iv� .ACtion Program. k#� ��€� tte husiness caatmunity of t�s`��r,� '.� ert stated fi,itis shoulG be �n e�� an shauld ,be. prepared t:n, �rt��a��1 �m=sug�ssted .asl.d:fng an aatertd�ae� iY�t��:g ��t#�in-wais°passerl as #�� #�. a�as not- saba�itte�l. tQ tha �s 3��ion wislres t+o speak wt�t+=�#� tssic�n zltd -not agree. i!r Be�i �r Wi,l':Iiam ScQt�, secanded ��C.6) d�.�ini�1 the rrext flum�n Aes�a;�� i�e vate, Scot�, lamb,eri� crting nay, the,�aotinrt car�i � ,�;� #� y �faTlia�n Scott„ secon�#e�f � � t�teres�ed p,a��ties {��a��r_� t�.�m Ci t� sta#f., et�, } tp t� ;�rt r� program ;at the next mee��ri�� a;ye. tht maLion car�ied, �t�aa� if�Tiiam S:co.�t, second �tir �he pur�t�se; of fie �.of MN Huat�n Rights :G �.;a3�e, the' arqtion carr Fl s:ert expl a inea# he w�s �d_servecE as. fi�s firsx ,#:e l.�ag�e tira�.anft#r�1 �no-staie-�raa�r�2aiio� e.r �caa�mtrnic�tfon=ef#art: F�e s'i �rablem. 'fh� �League nei.ds $�� re co�mi��oflS.: �'f�.etsen �tated .tM1g lea.gt�� r , "~ ��r� that i�a� some sens�'a�"�� v�s,_.pf �;haw �he sx�tem u[�xks. � �,=��nt tha.� it -i�s now:� �t�fs�at�+d..he cautd nat �� r�id t� as weak -as i t i.s, a� "� �, �,F� � � �.,� �� " � � �, �.,� �'� �;.• w.� i�m33sion is in°��i�� '�ps. This may ca�se `� iware of the.Affiirmat- fved in putting together �e Commission should r�re taking any �fficiai �sive study. T�re �e entire ;recom�c�dation t�? ihe motion s:tating �-ipeeting of t#�e � � ��E�g'£ommission because fs.iness community YfITHDREW NIS MUTION. y Lynch, to tab7e �Ca�nmission meeting. x�! Lynch voting aye, ( Lambert, that'the Gommerce, Represent- meeting and to review Jp.on a voice vo�e, �us7y. �UI:D TkERKELSEN: � Lynch, to suspend #avid Therkelsen on. Upon a voice vote, �usty. i�.faunding the League Director unti11973. into existence because Numan Rig:hts Commissions. t: ' He stated the ' a;central cleai�ing i tlie newstetter has �Gt anvolvement.of the f a strong sustained cation and political ►. tn be funded at �thy the Human Rights ��e leve]. Mr.:Therkeisen` �- h f". �. � a�� .��,� t � � fi y �_.. �<.. .�� `� � ;��8 of fGn ��,�� s t i c�'1 I y ,�t�ndin'g ex.ist �T�r.. 7herke'� { vf' tlte Lea;� �ledin has "4 �nti con��re . �"��+�� ..i?r�a�t �.ti��l�` h�� :Y.-:�, � MUTI#�N bq # =frid#ey t�in d�es io �� "he Go�mtss ' ,�I ! QG��1i1.... ��5�� S� V �a�ts ��}es�uT . R��.�� CiLfi�i!. �� ;�. �! �. � �#t'� i Nf,� �: @�%#„'y �hl�� . R��'t ��if�l: by. H ° :�i��°: �u 1 �s f -�tart ;� ;'v 4 � c ,.� ��r. 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G� teagc�e ,;�n�^e_ �+rk�fi��' ��.��$fi�U4R : . . 2�. � �be�� `to �us�end � : �a� R.ights Ft�a.wsi., �arri'd:� ��ia�ietn,i�s7'�, �r�' ar� ��n_ ekw=:flf ,a ,�om�etitfva � tgiim,,"t�t. the �ategqrr�s"��or ar��a_�a2%ee v4te� � ; : , m�� fqr tlie a;. i�,`p�'1�42 Hi1`lcrest �::. �i�l ��.t3�e �Sre�ented'��. a �i'� n , Gt�y� t��t� th��' � � '€ 5�kECI ^�G Y-� t � �31 � ° il_pA� a� v e� � c� � � � �ous l �j � �,� wat?'�; �; �; 4E�7 �: �is�usse.� the pos� t County�meeting t;h �=ve-anoth�^ meeting. t statted she fel� tfiE s��; anbther human rights cta�: �ommissiu+� had organir� � ta��d s�hesywuld cont,ac:t.:�� d"dask tfism �#. theY wo�;l:d=,'�: �la�cy Lam.b�r#, se�ur�ded �" ��n Resaurc�s .CommiSSipr�"�: urces Grvup Mt�eting and,a�� ing. �s planued: Upon>�'=vi . Ear�^i�ecf,`unanimously. <; She atl�sd ' ref�rr�al se�Nice an�i" a af - th�:. serut-cies prci�ti� frid�ey';re�jGents. '�� k� ng Fri:stl-ey to csn�ri� 5iaied i.t wa� tfie fe�l�€ �, funding co+�1d be loak , p�iori�fes cou�tt he= 1:; f, , funds�. f priori ti�s <�i 11 b�.-"i�.� DDifl3�55'iflit meeting. �tsraal=t,� :,#�n a foru� be �� i#�at t#�e._ guestions af: �ssr±�i; ber meetir4g. {lpon a 'vbi��r�� carried u�r�nimnusly. r ''i ;.. , � � �z � �� ; ' � � PA� "�,,� �}. . ,. 1 �f holding another �� they did Tast fa11. �._Rapids are very � af this meeting should 12, as the Fridley Human �t mee#ing. �� ., - � �:��e�son i n Co l umbi a �`� c�:s� this meeting. ��. � � ��tin :Scott, that the _ ��t►r of a County ,�?PPY to attentt 9f �ote, a11, vnting aye, : ��t3�nc-i t wi 21 be � #�cs�ih 5uburban �ami ly �#t�-p Family Service �rect service ag,ency. ; �#ti-s agency at;;present ��'s deficit is:$33000: �.gf this deficit of ��ff that perhaps.alt t once so that at n�a-ccqrdance to<�the at-- the next Nanian e- t.ynch, that the ;� tCE.s' Gartunission, �afued for ihe s4�amer �: reconsidered at ,,,a11 voting aYe, �: i � �-, � ��'�.� �..�� .�� 44!!� ';� �-�':f i:� � " F�i � °.�. �� - ar 3v� �.� = UNE;3s �� ` � 4, � Xi Clt'�C't'.� f3j�i+�.��tC�`y: �n � ua�c±� vzst � ., _- ,., �� journ aye, � �: ,;; � � <} . .t ` i ,; { ; F h i i j Y 1 �, i IF + i: \ t ":. '. 4' �:. � � � 'b` .. .. . .. .. � � J01� C! FSS TITLE Officials and t4anagers Professiona7 Technicians Proi.eciive 5e��ce Office Clzrical Skilled Craft 5ervice Workers • TOTALS CItY OF FRID�EY AFFIRMIITIVE ACTION PROGRAM UT:LIZATION Fl��ALYSIS M 11 3 14( �2 90 30 � 119 Notes: � (1) (CETA) ', (2) * 2 Positions Open: I 1 Sr. Engr. Aide (T ch) 1 P/R Dir. (Mgr.) (3) ** (A) CETA Pos. Show Op n on Dec. 31, 19 5 r ort Position chang d t Office Clericali � ille (C/T--Z P&R, '� PW)� (6) 2 New CETA Position�s added and fillc�d: � 1 Tech. 1 C/T (Police)� • —R�l10E B I 'A 1 14 � DATE: March 31, 1976 % % TOTAL WG;4- hiItvORI- g$ Eiv TJES 24 4.167 4.167 4 0 0 � ' 1 11 5 � 15.182 0 � 30 13.33� 0 20 4 100 0 _(_�I 17 0 0 14(2)�21.42a 0 (i) 120* 25 .826 (11 )**! '� MEMBERS PRESENT MEMBERS ABSEN OTHERS PRESENT `�5 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION June 8, 1976 Herman Bergman, LeRoy Oquist, William Forster Hubert Lindblad, Dennis Schneider None Tom Colbert, Assistant City Engineer Ned Storla, Youth Project Committee Chairperson Chairperson Bergman opened the meeting at 7:40 p.m. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MAY 11, 1976 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING: MOTION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by William Forster, to approve the minutes of the May 11, 1976 Community �evelopment Commission meeting as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. DISCUSSION ON YPC TEEN CENTER PROPOSAL: ` Ned Storla of the YPC was present at the meeting at the request of the Commissioners. He stated presently there are two foosball tables and two ping pong tables in the room located next to the Parks & Recreation Department. Persons are allowed to use these games for a period of no longer than five minutes. Ne added he had never seen those facilities used because of this five- minute limit. � Mr. Colbert stated there have been complaints about the noise factors. The Commission took a few minutes to view the two rooms proposed for the teen center. Mr. Storla stated it was the YPC's intent that the teen center should have a temporary board of directors under the age of 18. He added the YPC had a meeting with representatives from other communities which have teen centers, and the 9eneral feeling was that if the kids did not feel they had control over their own teen center, they would lose interest. He added he would like to see organized activities. Mr. Oquist stated he would like to see what the temporary board of directors is going to set up in the way of a charter, goals, etc. before the Commission gives its okay to reserve space in City Hall. He added he felt very uneasy with this. Mr. Storla's stated his subcommittee's function is to advise, not to regulate. He added the YPC made a proposal which allowed an.interested group to begin running the center. ,w-. _, � s COMMUtdITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING, JUNE 8, t976 PAGE 2 Mr. Storla explained a temporary board of directors will be set up, but the final board will be voted in which will inspire a feeling of unity. Mr. Bergman stated he felt the teen center should be given a try since so much interest has been shown. He added this should receive some continual City communications. He felt this should be entirely under the auspices of the Parks & Rec- reation Department. Mr. Colbert asked why the space would have to be guaranteed before the kids come up with their charter, etc. Mr. Schneider stated he felt this guarantee was necessary. It would inspire motivation. Mr. Schneider questioned whether staff really needs the space which may be available in the old library. He added the CETA Program may be discontinued which would make the space available. He stated it was a matter of priorities. He felt the citizens should take priority over staff. Mr. Forster and Mr. Lindblad stated they felt the young people should be given a chance. Mr. Lindblad stated the old library space would be the most suitable place because the ceiling construction would limit the noise. Mr. Colbert stated parking must be considered. On public hearing nights, the parking lot is usually overcrowded. MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by Hubert Li:ndblad, the Community Developinent Commission recommen to annlr Commission concurrence with the creation o a teen center Fridley to be operate as tn �ca e on age o z um� Resources Commission meeting minu es o pri , par graphs one through t ree and, urt er, a e i y guar that 9 —in n a- a�ee charter as a teen center. Also, that a time limit of one month • e se or eac ommtsslon to appoint a person o e emporary fioa d o irectors. a commision oes no ma�e e1r appoin - ment wit in t e one-mont perio , t�en t e as e rig to a oint a erson to fil t at osition on t e tem orar board of directors. Further, that i e temporary oar of irectors cons�st o an ex-o icio ar s ecrea �on ommission mem er or eir esigna e. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. REPORT (ROM DENNIS SCHNEIDER ON THE SI6N PROJECT COMMITTEE: Mr. Schneider stated he had not yet held a meeting of the Sign Project Committee; however, he planned to do so within the next couple of wee�:s. He added he spoken with those people whom the Commission had approved as possible project committee members. The following persons will be able to serve: Lloyd Louis, Howard Mosstnan, Pat Gable, and Carol Donahue. � � i €�� 1'7 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, JUNE 8, i976 PAGE 3 � He added Bob Schroer will not be able to serve. However, Mr. Schneider stated he would contact Ed Dunn of the Chamber of Commerce as to another appointee from the Chamber. Mr. Schneider added he had also spoken with Virginia Steinmetz from the League of Womert Voters as far as a person from that organization serving on the project committee. She had stated she would contact Mr. Schneider on this as soon as possible. NOMINATION TO BIKEWAY PROJECT COMMITTEE: Mr. Bergman read aloud Mr. Schneider's resignation from the Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee. As this project committee will now be under the auspices of the Community �evelopment Commission, Mr, Schneider felt it was best to resign. MOTION by William Forster, seconded by Hubert Lindblad, to accept Dennis Schneider's resignation from the Bikeway/Walkv�ay Committee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by Dennis Schneider, to appoint Joan Elwell as the replacement member on the Bikway/Walkway project Committee. Upon a voice vote,all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � Mr. Bergman stated 1lern Moen, Chairperson of the Bike�vayJtdalkway Committee wiil be present at the Commission's next meeting. ZONING CODE REVIEW ON GARAGES: Mr. Lindblad stated he felt garages should be required. He added without a garage there is no place to put equipment such as lawn mowers, etc. Mr. Forster suggested looking into what other communities are doing in regard to this ordinance. MOTION by Wi77iam Forster, seconded by Dennis Schneider, that the Commission table action on this item until the City administration provides the Commission with a sampling of other R-1 garage ordinances of comparible suburbs, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Lindblad stated he would like the Commission to address another problem--an ordinance enforcement problem in the City of Fridley. He stated there were many ordinance violations in the City of Fridley which he did not see being enforced. Mr. Bergman asked the Commission whether they would be able to � come to the next meeting with a list of specific violations which they are aware of. Each Commission member stated they would come to the next meeting prepared with a list of this sort. 1 � 18 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION JUNE 8 1976 PAGE 4 MOTION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by Dennis Schneider, that � Richard Sobiech attend the next meeting of the Community Development Commission to discuss enforcement of ordinances. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unan- imously. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by LeRoy Oquist, to adjourn the meeting at 9:50 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, l ' �' /�. � � l � ,-�/ C� Holly Fbnsager Record`�ng Secre ry � u FRI:DLEY APPr.A. ; COMi�1ISSI0N MEETING �ur�E 15, 1976 MEMBERS PRESE1dT: Virginia Wahlberg, Alex Barna, Pat Gabel� Dick Kemper, dim Ylemel h1F?•f��RS ABSENT: None OTHERS PRESENT: Ron Holden, Bui7.ding Inspecti�n Oi'ficer The meeting was called to order by Ciiairperson Wahlberg at 7:28 P.M. APPROVAL OF MAY 25, 1976 APPEALS C0;1".ISSZOP� MITJU2ES: MQTIGN by Barna, seconded by Kemper, to approve the minutes o: �he N,ay 25, 1>l"c Appeals Commission Meeting. � Mr. 9arna stated that on page 8, second paragraph, he would li'.�e "Tast,y Freeze" changed to "Fast-Food Service+�, N,rs, Gabel stated that under the discussion i;a �t0' Zots on page 9� second paragraun, !e0' lots should be changed to "dealing w:th lots under 75 "' � Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1, A RE�UEST FOR A VARIANCE Or THE rRl➢LEY CITY CODa AS FOLLOI•IS: SECTIO;V 205.053, LA� TO REDUCE T!iE P'ROI�T YARD S&TBACK A'RG?i TtIF. :?�e;UI�tED 3[ r': �"' TO S' - 10' (P.0 SURVr.^C Ab`AILA?LE AT THIS "'T_�iF.) TO A;.I.C:d TH5 Cr,NST°JCmTr;�� r; t. NE;J NOUSE �ND GAR:.GP: TO B� LOCvTED ON TriF Wti'_.ST 75 F�'Em OF LOT 26, REVISSD AUDIT.Oi?'S SUBDIVISICN �103, THE SA'�� EIivG 295 IYONTON S1'R�ET, iV.E., FA.�lli�'Y, MINIJ. (REQUEST BY MR. KEN SPORkE� 3�1 IRONTON STREET� ,Y.E. � FRIDLEY� 1�iIN��. ) Chairperson 4;ahlberg told the Commis�ion that no noiice of this request for variance had been received� but it car,ie to them through the City Cour,cil meetin� held last night, She explaitled that Hlrs. Sporre had aopeared before the Council and the City Attorne,y's opinion was tnat i£ Mrs. Sporre could get approval from adjacent neighbors within 200'� she could appear before the Appeals Commission at this meeting, MOTION by Gabel� seconded by Barna, to open the public hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, tne motion carried unanimously, Mrs. Sporre stated that all they were trying to do was put their home in line with all the others. Mrs. Gabel said that she felt this should have come before the Appeals Commission � first before going to the City Council� and 41r. Barna sai.d it was on the Council agenda as an additional item at their meeting. r+a " `� O FNIDLEY APPEAIS COMMISSION MEETING pF JUNE 1S� 1976 - PAGE 2 Mr. }iolden stated that the street right-of-wuy going by the house and lots was way to the South, and that the houses ❑ext door were probably in the neighborhood � of 10' setbacks. Mrs. Gabel asked how soon they planned to start construction� and Mrs. Sporre nnswered that the reason she was here was because the,y would like to start immed- iately, She said she didn�t think they even needed a variance because they could build now� but the house would sit way back. She added that no one else has had to go through this procedure but them, Chairperson Wahlberg said that the normal procedure was to apply for a building permit first� then if the staff felt there was any variance needed it would ccme before the Board to determine if it shoul.d or should not be granted. She said it would then either be approved immediately, or i£ there was a discrepancy it would then go to the Council; so if it had gone in the proper order it may not ever have had to go to the City Council, She explained that if, at the Appeals Commission level there was any dissension� it would have to go back to the Council anyway. Mrs, Gabel asked why it couldn�t be determined i£ the setback should be 5 or ten feet if all the other houses were in a straight line� and Mrs. Sporre said it was because there was some con£lict on where the street was. Mrs. Gabel asked if Mrs. Sporre would agree to a stipulation that her house be in line with all the other houses if this request was granted, and Mrs, Sporre replied she would. Chaixperson Wahlber� asked if they were planning on bvilding this house to live in theinselves� �d Mrs. Sporre said they were. Mrs. Sporre explained they o4med � both parts of lot 26� and hoped to kee� the additional section for a yard until their children were grown and then someday sell it of£, Mr. Plemel asked if there was a double boulevard in front, and Mr. Holden said there was� roughly 1�0' from the front of the house to the curb. Mr. Plemel asked if the only variance was to come up within five to ten feet p£ the lot line, and Mrs. Sporre said yes, so their house would be set back the same as everybody elses, Chairperson Wahlberg asked when the other homes in the area were built� end Mrs. Sporre replied that the home she was in now was built in 1952. Mr. Kemper asked what the time delays were in going through a building permi.t, and Mr. Holden said that if there Were no complications as f'ar as setback� etc.� it usually took about three days. Mr. Kemper asked Mrs. Sporre i£ she had plans� and sne replied she did, Chairperson Wahlberg pointed out that not all of the property owners within 200 feet had signed letteis of approval. Mr. Plemel stated that the City Code stated that all property owners within 200 feet be noti£ied� and there could be legal ramifications i£ this wasn't adhered to. MOTION by Plemel� seconded by Kemper� to receive eleven petitions of approval presented by Mrs. Sporre. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Wahlberg asked if Sta£F had time to look at this request toda,y and MT�. Holden replied he hadn't.began work�on it until 3:00 this afternoon. I-�e caid � the field problem o£ resurveying was great� and he could sympathize with the petitioners just trying to survey the lot. � FRIDL�Y APPEALS COMMISSION MEETINU OF JUNE 15, 1976 - PAGE 3 2� Chairperson Wahlberg asked if ther� was any opinion from anybod,y else on the • statf regarding construction. 19r, i�olden answered there wasn�t� and as far as what the staff lmew now the variance procedure would be reouired. Iie said he thought it was a rea.>onable request to have the }�ouse set back the sar�e as tt�e others. Mr, Kemper a.>ked what the public purpose served would be, and Mr. Barna said it was to a17.ow for o1'f-street parking and to k�ep the front alignment with Lhe other structures. 19r. Kemper asked hirs. Sporre how long they had been planning on building this, and sne replied about six months. She stated that it wasn't until they were approved by the bank that they were interested in starting. Mr, Holden asked why tr,ey hudn't £iled for a building permit� and i•Srs. Sporre said tney did intend to file as soon as the;,� hsd ihis prnblem cie;red u�, c�t had wanted to solve this problem first. She =aid tney rrere tr,ying io gei ever;.- thing taken care of witn lending agencies� neighbors on vacationsr etc. Chairperson Wahlberg said she was sure Airs. Sporre could appreciate the Board's situation, as it bec�ne a problen ior them F�hen they had something broagnt to them without norir,al procedure that they were suppnsed to follo�a. She said t.�at every�one had the same problems as far as financing and neighbors being gone, and the Board had to be consistent in that procedure. MOT10N by Barna� seconded by Kemper, to close the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. • Chairperson Wahlberg explained that this variance would be reducing the front yard setback £rom 35� to 5- 10' approximately� Lhere being an approximate boulevard of 30' which would then place the house in line a�ith tre other existing houses at approximatel,y I�O� fron th2 curb. Mrs. Gabel said she had n o argument with the variance, but it bothered her that not all the people had been notified. h1r. Kemper stated that this had been re£erred to them by the Counc�l fo^ an opinion� and the,y could give an ooinion� but there were some signatures that hadn�t been obtained� a Staff Report that hadn't been obtained� snd the buildin�; �ermit hadn't been applied for, He said he ,ronld like to approve ihe variance if these loose �nds were tied up, rie added that he thou�ht from 2 hardshin st;and- point and public purpose standpoint he didn�t see any problems� but the missin:� elements dia bother him. Chairperson Wahlber� said that in all fairness to the petitioner, it was not normally necessary to get the signature o£ everyone within 200 feet� but she said she felt those people should at least Ue notified and then i£ they wished Lo express any approval or disapproval they conld do so at the Council meeting. Mr. Holden said he thought that would sdve the situation� as right now the Board would be acting withoiit all the information being available. Chairpersun Wahlberg said 'that another point was that Staff did not have adeqnate � time to do the background research and she felt at least that part sliould be completed for the City Council. She added that she felt the Board uould be acting somewhat in the dark without the staFf's opinions. 22 �..�.. FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 15, 1976 - PAGE !t Mr. Holden said another question he had was in re�;ard to f'encing in the front yard, and N!rs. Sporre said the,y did not intend to fence it in but did intend to � olant trees. :?rs. ,Jahlberg asked if there were an,y easements through the front af the lot� and Mrs. Sporre said there were none. Mrs. Gabel asked i£ Mrs. Sporre iaould obtain a building permit before the Council mer;ting, and she ansv�ered she would. Mr. Kemper asked iS there was anyone in disagreement with what the �porres uanted to do, and there was no response. c:OTIO;i by KempP^, seconded by Gabel� to approve the request for variance Hrith ihe following stipulations: 1. The building permit be applied for. 2, The faes associated witn the appe.als grocedure be paid. 3. The individuals iait,hin 200 feet of the property that have not respor,ded be notified in writing of the hearing beSore the City Council on June 21� 1976. 1�. The building be kept in the line-of-site with the other homes. 5. The Staff research the previous court case and prepare a recommendation for the Council. 6, This request appear on the Council agenda at its next meeting. Mr. Holden asked if it would be irregular to ask the petitioner to get the signa- . tures� because if tne notice was mail.ed out there might not be enough response time. Chairperson ;iahloerg said that was her point--that they receive for.nal notice so they would have Lhe opportunity to voice their objections. She said this would be £ollowing the code which states they shall be notified. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unani.mously. Mrs. Sporre as`.wed if this interpretation would apply to the other lot also, and Chairperson WanlUerg said it woLld not•, and that if thev intended to baild on the other lot varying from the setback of 35' they would need another request for variance. Pir. Kemper said that he would like to go on record that he thought the City Council was out of line in pushing this on the Board o£ Appeals on this short notice� and Mrs. Gabel agreed. 2, A RE�UFST FOR A VARIANCE OF: SECTION 205.053� SB� FRIDLEY CITY CODE� TO RIDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK OF A DETACHED GARAGE WHICH OPENS ON A S1DE STREET FROti THE REQUIRED 25 FEr.T TO 19 FBET, TO ALLOid TAE CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHID GARAGE� TO BE IAc�TEB ON IATS 29 AND 30� BLOCK S� OAK UROVE ADDITION� TnE SAh� BEING 6595 ANOK�1 STREET N.E., FRIDLEY, P1I�NESOTA. (RE2UEST BY MR. RAY JANEY� 6595 ANOKA STRr.ET� N.E.� FRIDLEY� ASINNESOTA 55432•) MOT10N by Barna� seconded by Gabel� to open the public hearing. Upon a voice � vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. , FRIDI,IsY APPEALS COi�1MiSSION MEETING OF JUNE 1�� 1976 - PAt]E 5 23 AD;-tIf�ISTr2ATIVE STAFF Rlsl'ORT # A. Public Yurpose Served by Requirement: Section 205,053� !t� B, &$� B, corner lot side yard setbacl: of "l_5' for a detached garagc. F'ublic purpo�e served by this secticn is to allow for of.-street oarking without encroaching on the public ri�ht-of-aay. Also tne aesthetic consider- ation of the nei�;hborhood to reduce the building line-oS-site encroacnment into the neighbor's front ,yard. B. Stated Hardship: The full 25 ft. setback would require additional fill, appear as a"tti�o-story garage"� and be back further ihan sir.iilar y,ara.ges ` in the neighborhood. � C, Administrative Staff Report: Staff ineasuremants show the. heuse at 6595 Anoka Street to be 3Lt feet from the curbing. The actual �etback is apgrox- imatel,y 19 £eet, which cannot be determined without a surve�;. Sta£f recommends that if approved� this request could be worded to state that the granted variance not be so i.nterpreted as to a11oh* the garage to be closer to the property line than the house. Sta£f has no objeetion to this variance request. Mr, and 2+{rs. 3aney approached tha Board� and Mr. 3aney said he thought there was an error in the request for variance. He stated that it said 19�� and L�at would make it two £eet beyond the side of his house� and he �aanted it even �r�ith the ;�_de o£ his house. Mr. Holden sain the reason it was stated that way was � because they didn't have a survey of' the lot. pir. Kemper asked if he was indicating the reauest should read from 25 £eet to 17 feet� and Mr. Janey replied tnat was correct. Ns. Holden said that what was most important as far as Staff rras concerned was that the garage not be any closer to the lot line than ihe house ,ras. He explained that the house x+as about 3it' from the curb� and I�1r, Janey wasted to line up the garage witn the house. Mr. Janey stated thai their back yard dropped off considerably in the rear, so if the variance was not granted they would need quite a bit of £ill and it would also make the garage look like a two-story structure. Chairperson ldahlberg asked i£ they wanted to place the site line of the garage to match with the house itself� and hfr. Janey replied they did and that all the garages in the area are in line with their houses. Airs. Gabel noted that they already had a tuck-under garage, and Mr. Janey said this would be converted into living area. h1r. Janey stated the garage would be built by Ldestern Constructicn� and would be a double garage. Chairperson Wahlberg noted that a letter had been received from the adjacent neighbor� Jean I.ong, stating that she had no objection to the construction of a detached garage �t 6595 Anoka Street. � MOTION by Barna� seconded b,y Plemel� to close the public hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. � ' 24 FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 15� 197� - PAGE 6 24rs. Uabel stated that this seemed like a reasonable request since setting it back 25� would require additional fill and expense. � MOTION by Gabel� seconded by Barna� to approve the request for variance with the stipulation that the garage be no closer to the pro�erty line than the house ir. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimousl,y. DISCUSSION OfJ TAPE OF THE CITY COUiv'CIL i�f"r,ETING OF N,AY 3 1976 ON lt0� LOTS: The Appeals Commission listened to the tape of the L'it,y Council Nceeting oF Iday 3� 1976 concerning lbrty foot lots� which ran approximatel,y 7�2 minutes. Chairperson Gfafilberg co:nmented that it was stated several times in the tapv that lots should be l�l�� - 1�6�. 5he said it had also been pointed out that if building was not pe:mitted on !�0' lots, the cit,y would lose taxes on that property that would have to be taken up through industr,y or commerce. Mr, Plemel said he would like to see the building of smaller homes for less mone,y ott these lots, Chairperson 6dahlberg asked if anything had been decided on whether or not a garage was required on less than a 60' lot� and Mr. Holden said no garage was required on any lot less than 9,O�U square feet. Mrs. �abel said sne took this to the Planning Commission and the Human Resources and Communit;y Development Commissions said tney would handle it� but E7�vironmental did not want it. Mr, Plemel said he £elt if a lot was big enoLgh for a house, it should be big � enough for at least a single car garage. Mr. �arna said he ;elt it should have either a garage or a suitable storage area. Mrs. Uabel stated that this point had come up at the last Planning Cor,mission meeting with reference to street widths� and that 2 garage ��as a valuable thing to have. Chairperson Zdahlberg said that the point was that if a home was built without a garage� they had no way of lmowing if the potential owner would have one, two or three cars, plus bicycles, snowmobiles, boats� etc. She stated that the aesthetic value of eliminating that pollution was important. Mrs. Wahlberg stated that the problem with Mr. Villella�s lot snlit was that it appeared to her that the Council did not have a true survey in front of them Lhat night and didn�t know how far away the garage was £rom the lot line, She said that if they were to require people to buy additional land along side their lot� they may be creating non-conformin� use oF the adjacent property. Mrs. Wahlberg said the other thing she was a Iittle disappointed in tiras that Council- person Kukowski asked only one question as £ar as she could determine� and yet she voted against it. Mrs. Wahlberg also added that Mayor Nee had said he had no real problems with this� but yet he voted against it also. Mr. Holden said that he £elt what had been done in essence was delay the solving of the problem b,y adding an, addztional five £eet, which created an additional hurdle for the petitioner to go over. Chairperson Wah2berg said that each of the subcommissions that had handled it� . and the Planning Commission� had concurred that building should be allowed on � FRIDLEY APPEAIS COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 1S, 1976 - YACE 7 25 40' lots but if land was available on either side of the lot which could be � purchased the petitioner should purchase that land. She said the Appeals Commission had felt the house size should be reduced to avoid ereating a non-conformin� lot. Mrs, Wahl.berg said that the Board had asked Mr. Villella if he wanted to go for a lot split and he had replied he didn't want to, but the tone at the Cnuncil meeting was almost that he had to buy it. She added that this would raise the total value of the house so it was a more expensive house. Mr. flarna said t�at house was too expensive for that area� and Mr, Plemel agreed. � � Mr. Kemoer asked if Chairperson idahlberg ha.d a list of the five points that xere ultimately recommended concerning substandard lots, az�d if so� 1•rnich ones the Council addressed themselves to, Mrs. Wahlberg replied she did, anci that three out of the iive points were discussed, She said tnat they did mainta_in the 25i lot coverage bv buyinp more land� and ;�fr. Kemper stated that the Councii had combined the 2nd and third iLems. Mr. Barna said he felt that the guidelines that were set forth were disre�arded and a complete change of the plan uas brought about, therefore not coverir.g a !�0' lot situation but bringing it up to a 115' lot situation and not solving an;; of the problems. Chairwoman Ylahlberg said that the Appeals Co.^enission had approved the reouests £or variances ;�1� 2� !� and 6; and the only two that were denied 'nad to do ::ith increasing the maximum lot coverage from 25h to 27.8io and to reduce tne setback £or an attached garage £rom the required 25� to.13' (this because i•?r. Villella had agreed to change the drivewa,y around), She said hasicall,y where tne Council differed from them was with the m v:imum lot coverage in that they insisted he buy an additional 5�� providing it was available to buy. Mrs. Wahlberg said that hlr. C, L. Popp had ob�ected to Air. Villella�� plan, and the Board had explained to him tnat the,y did not feel it vrould be creatins a hazard as it met code and v*ould not obstrucL his view. She contirnsed that norr she thougnt Mr. Popp would 'nave e legitimate concern if the drive•w�ay came ouL onto the street. She added that :•here was nothing they could Co to solve the problem now, but was glad they had taken the time to listen to the tape a�d couid now £ee7. a little more secure in �hat the,y did, She said that the a.oning code was going to Ue reviewed and she thought at that time some of this would come up. Chairperson �;Jahlberg thanked the Corunission members for tal;ing the tine to lisien to the tape. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Barna� seconded by Kemper, to adjourn Commission at 10:16 P.1•S. Upon a voice vote� all unanimously. Respectfully submitted� , � �� + . Sherri 0'Donnell Recording Secretary the meeting of the Appeals voting aye� the motion carried � � � OFfICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, Jur�e 23, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: A request for a Special Use Permit, SP q76-08, by Phillip M. Willson, to permit the conversion of a one family, tw� story house to a two family house in an R-1 District (single family dwellin9 areasj, Per Fridley City Code,.Section 205.051, � 3, D, to be located on Lot 2, Block 1, Froid's Addition, all lying in the North Half of Section 3, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located at 401 Ironton Street N.E. Anyone who desires to be heard with reference to the above mattter may be heard at this time. Publish: June 9, 1976 June 16, 1976 � RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION 26 NUh1t3GR ��!� � � U CITY OP PRIDLCY MINNGSOTA PLANNING ANU ZONING FORM � APPLICANT'S SIGNATURC��Q/%,tj ��7, GfI,��.�v� Address �(� / �-,,�Tg,�`��`�%,'�, Telephone Number �Q(P � ��D 5 � � 2� TYPH OF RGQUHSI' Rezoning � Special Use Permit Approval of Premin- inary $ Final Plat PROPGRTY OiVNER'S SIGNATURG `� � L(/ � � Streets or Allcy � � �� Vacations ; Address��- . Q � �.yi.��.,c, �K ('I 7(c � , " Other I Telephone Number � � � •— l ,�L� `� ' �� y Fee 7_j,OUReceipt No.,O/./� / Street Location of Property �� ` � Legal Description of Property �pT Z �OeIL � �it0105 �"l�. ! Present 2oning Classification ��-� Existing Use of Property 7GOp �jbR.y 1�l:L ! 1�4f E LC.��iG Acreage of Property S(�(�� Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed Cn�V�,(�,� � F�Rm►�4 TWO '�ran.� uc�c 1b A Tw� F�.M «•, Houat� , Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes�_no. What was requested and iahen? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) 'Phis application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given why this is not tl�e casc. (c) ResponsiUility for any defect in the proceedings .resulting from the failure to list the names and ad�lresses of all residmrts and property owners of property in qucstion, Uclongs to the undcrsigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must be dra�vn and attached, slioiaing the following: 1. Norr.h Direction. 2. Location oi' proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side sethacks. d. Street Names, S. Location and use of adjacent esisting buildings (within 300 feet) The undcrsigned hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this npplication are truc and corrcct. DATE � ,� �� %( SIGNATURE ��.C2� %2%/ C[/,,�.Q�1�v (Al'PLIC �'P) �ate Fiicd Date of Ficaring G�,3 9 L �� unning Commission Approved City Council Approvcd datcs) Denied (d:ites) Dcnicd , ' � �� Planning Commission 6-� i MAILING LIST SP �76-08, Phillip M. Wiltson convert 1 family home to 2 family home Mr. & Mrs. Phillip Willson 401 Ironton Street N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Sexter Development Corporation 3601 France Avenue North Minneapolis, Mn 55422 Lucille Choinard 383 Ironton Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Choinard 420 Ironton Street N.E. Fridley, Mn55432 Nazel J. Bourdeaux Box 35 i Chisago City, Mn 55012 Mr. & Mrs. Andrew Bultena 381 Ironton Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Burnett 377 Ironton Street N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Gardiner 371 Ironton Street N.E. ' Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gordon Favre 8255 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Arthur Rudy 8251 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Stanley Kania 430 Ironton Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Wi1-Cast Investments, Inc. 6514 Bass Lake Road Minneapolis, Mn 55428 1�� V q! t �' �.� �. : j3 ;V : e r�e•�`� SP#76-06 PHILLTP M. 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' . . . , __ �� oFr-lcr��. riorrce CITY UF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HFARING f3EFORE TEIC PLANtJING COh��4ISSI0N TO WHOtd IT I�i,4Y COi�CERN: Notice is herchy given that there will be a Public Nea.riny of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 Univer>ity Flvenue Plortl;east on 4!ednesday, June 23, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.i�l. for the purpose of: A request for a Special Use Permit, SP ;176-09, by Stav's Superette, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101, 3, PJ, to allov! a display area for a hydroponic gro�•ring system, to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Bloc4; 3, Ree's Addition, all lying in ti�e South Half of Section 14, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located at G483 University Avenue N.E. � `�. Anyone who desires to be heard t•rith reference to the above matter may be heard at this time. Publish: June 9, 1976 June 16, 1976 � RICFIRRD H. HARRIS CHAI RI�1AN PLANNING COh1i�(ISSION �� MAILING LIST � SP �76-09 Stav's Superette 0 N P Properties Walquist Realty-Agent 4230 Central Avenue N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55421 Robert StaNanau Stav's Superette 6483 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Madsen Building Company 6441 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 American Oil Company 4940 Viking Drive Minneapolis, Mn 55435 Mr. & Mrs. Otto Marsolek 355 Mississippi Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Theisen Inc. 4495 North Shore Drive Mound, Minnesota 55364 Champion Auto Stores 6471 University Avenue NOrtheast Fridley Mn 55432 Poor Richard's Canterbury Pub 6479 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Planning Cormiission 6/�0/76 �— �. � CITY OF PRIDLCY MINNCSOTA P ZONING PORM APYLICANT'S SICNATURfi�� .j� �`(�J�J�_�.�l�t� , , � �� Address�� i,,,_��,,,�i--��„�.,, Telephonc Number 5� i-�� q ON� r�� ,p e�-i-: �s�W <�< <.�<{ ��-z� J�yo.�cE PROPER7'Y OlVNE12'S SIGNATURH (,�� ,�F Addressy,Z�[� �2z,Lt�F' �v-� [��- 5S`�,C% 32 TYPG OF'RGQUGST Rezoning � Special Use Permit Approval of Vrcmin- inary $ Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other Tel ephone NumUer 7 B 8-��o 0 1 � , � Fee Receipt No. � 5�' �� ' Street Location of Pro er.t "' � P Y%�-��71.�_Z-'��., ��..� i� I �. �i ,� Legal Description of Property.-�T .� :� — ; ,� �%��i. " ! ,� d ��--2 �=""� � Present Zoning Classification L—�:t/ Existing Use of Propert�,,�s,�z � Acreage of Property Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed • c <.-c.,,� , ��w ; , � Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot s lit or variance or special use per �rt �on the subject site or part.of it? yes � no. lYhat was requested and iahen'�,K'K' '��a��,y-,�� , � ca The undersigned imderstands that: (a) a list of all residents and oianers of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be atYached to tliis applicatio�i. (b) Tltis application must be signed Uy all o�aners of the property, or an explanation given �vhy this is not Lhe case. (c) 2esponsibility for any defect in the proceedings �resulting from the failurc to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owtters of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the ; following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lo`. � 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. E 4. Street Names.. S. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet).� •77ie undersigned hereUy declare 11 facts and representations stated in this � application are true and correct�.� �� l I DATE ,Z��VLta_� ��SIGNATURE � • Date Filed� � 7t� Date of Ncaring �,-'�,�.� %',�. Planning Commission Approved (datcs) Denicd City Council Approvcd (dates) Denied � � ( SP #16-09 STAV`S SUPERETTE , Outside display 6483 University Avenue N.E. 33 .,�._ . �. . . _ . , -, '_l r � — i' _��_--�-/---'— G� I�i � i�.»aen � �� . . �t .'... ._ ��. ; — . , ?O�-�^".r--� . � 7�iU P-- 3 I , , .1 �' �. 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P:. , � ] Vo hereAy cert:!y t!+�L�t�:1s 1- a L•�r.e t.nA cor:rct rcpn�HC::teR!on of c nutc¢y of the iqun�nrle� o: the ! ler.d to Le d�rz-'ocd r.r.^ of C.e lr,catlan o; all L::7'il��.�� It nny�thor>on, nnri a11 vleib'_e e�.:'%;�hr.cp.�� f1f n�y� frow or o� io!n 1�nC:- � � � L::e j, L� S. ��. 2i, er.0 24 nr.d [hnt ➢"rt of I.o:c ( ar.d 71 2y!n+ �7orth of :hv 3outh 27.7 fae: c�-reof, !; �locY j p<:e Adatt!�n of Fr!alr.: Ycrt'., Rr.oYn Cnuuty, Y.!•�n.•cota, Inct��ti�n: [he vacflteC nl:e7 sc: t!i! i` � H 1/2 n: v��p:�;i y[n \�c:�a lySr.�, l::u�::�'fatolY ��IJacrnc Lo thn nMvn lo•n nnC Ivm7$ a�L 26 cf �nld j li39ok j ond thr. ii 1/2 of tha r��u�tcG �,ll;y lyfr.i� Srr...�:1nt+ly nA�occit tn aalQ late 25 and 2f; +s n':rvepn4 Ay un L!.Sn 7��:L Cny nt U:��r:.:t�rr, 17j8, I � ' L'_ _'... .. � � . s. '....-...._. ry JUS:�;.�.^. E'SI::':::ir!!:.0 CO.I`:C. F'n. ]n�rpn :�nC 9nrvrpn: y I r. �"n! f � � CITY 0� PRIDLEY �1TNNGSUTA '/�� LANNI�C AND ZONING PORM N UM f3 E f L.�E�1��--=[-�� l�PPLICAN'f'S SIGtiATURG Robert Schroer Addres�90 Rice Creek Blvd. N.E. Telephone Number H._ 574-9591 B. 571-6620 PROPERTY O��NER'S SIGNATURC Address Telephone Number Street Location of Property Legal Description of Property Present Zoning Classification Acreage of Property SAME - 35 TYPIi OF'RGQUBST Rezoning Special Usc Permit Approval of Premin- inary $ rinal Plat x Streets or Alley Vacations Other Fee Receipt No. Existing Use of Property Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and imgrovement proposed i�lC��, 7'�f S��P/, Has the presenE applicant previously�sougtt to r ze one, plat, ob ait n a lot split or variance or special use permit on the suUject sit:e or part.of i.t? X yes no, fVhat was requested and when? lot split and special use permit May`T�T/6 The undersigned understands that: (a) a 2ist of a7.1 residents and owners of property Nithin 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must he attached te this appli.cati.on. (b) This application must be signed by all oianers.of the property, or an explanation given �rhy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addxesses of all residents and property o�,�ners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must be dra�an and attadied, sho��ing the ' follouing: 1. Korth Direction. 2. Location of pr.oposed structiree"on tlie loi, f 3. Uinensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names, S. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (iaithin 300 feet).' •The mldersigned hereby decl�res that all the facYS and representations stated in this application are true and corrcct. DA'PE SIGNATURG (APk'LICA� 'C) � � �� Datc �iled Datc of Hcaring ,� C;`"L�f� Plsnning Commission Approved City Council Approvcd (<lates) DcnieJ (datcs) Denied - 1�,!"1 � . ',,�,;,y I � �J � � ,Lura�nu�e � � 1 � �, �-f-f,? f j5i-�/1'C.i'; C-.? ,?�: C:� � � r' � �` . � r�/1 i' i- � i ♦ ._ ,, ,< �-�- , , , r�, ,. , � „�, � ; .-� �.��.�, , , .., ti � � / � � � � d , �, =, i�.� o R w � -� � � � �v �. Q � �'= f � >. � r � I-� , � � `. .o ; ld !c �n` � � c r � C �.. � o pt9 -LJ + �,+T' � s � o O� � � T �r � ` y � 3 d ° � �<n s � v d s 3 -�- v ic,. 0 c y 1 d � � 'U 0 i 1 ' d c I a• '� i� � I � � I O � s �i t � ' tl � '� ��, 0 Ic i= , i , oi ,} � ; o�i � V � �'v , : � , - --- � � -- ,�� .. ; � ; Ioo " _ 8�4_ _ j I � TI s� UBUR BAN $AV #?6-03 ROBERT SCHROER �p❑ PlG7NEERING �INC. Vacate the street easement E�� on the Southerly 33 feet — r� �neers — �.• � of the Easterl,� 200 feet of {�� —Surveyors –6et 4, Block 2, East Ranch �RC�.Ii�,4NARY 51'CC �71ZA1NAGE N-,�. ��,1�r�2 --------- ----._..._._ .. . _ _. _..-_- -----,----- CITY OF FRIDLEY ✓��/ (�COh�i9`_'✓� �c. �7��aiU G'U. APPLICANTc C'J✓/fN GD AN ADDRESS: `iDO� %D.�% �G4--f. �iY>UI�i4� J6303 Street City `Lip Code TELEPIIONE �{,y� /- 7v' �c� �o /- 73 7% Home Business PROPEEiTY OWPIEft( S) Lv l.Gl��i��r►a:L �"�✓ ADDRESS(ES) Street Street TELEPI30NE �{( S ) IIome 3� FOR CT9'Y TTSr (1PIT,Y Ayplicanti' � IJume Lot Split �% : .d� 6-c llate Pil laee : $ a'%: Council RFMARKS: City Zip Code City Zip Code Business ction:llate ' Property Location on Str(ei ) • � � � � �qL/ or Eacact Street Address IF ANY �) LG i[l !�v � / Legal Descr_iption o£ Property: � °�..� S� N�. `� G7`= D�nc�ri i�l+ T./1�' iT� l�'! . I of . ii�. Zonin;; Class The undersigned hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in Lhis appl'cation are true and correct. � l , /; DATE: (� " j0 -T6 I�F:I�Ok� POR CITY IIGL OtdLY side foi� additio.lial instructionc� PLATS & SUIIS: Dnte of Consideration - Remarks: PI,ANNING COMMISSION: Date of Consideration - Remarks: CITY COUNCIL: Date of Consideration - fl�� (o �l3/ b // �,5 7S CERTIF'ICATE C�F SURVEY � JAMES l. KURTH LAfi1D SURVEYOR U 3� . � 120t N.E. STH 57REET ��s� q76 " GOLUMBIA HEIGHTS 55921 ��r � M[R[�V G[I�TIIY TNAT'�NIB BURVlY, PLAN, OR REPOnT WAS PREPARlD BY ME OR Ur+DER ntY pIRCGT SUPERVIEION AND TH/�T 1/�M A DULY RfGtETERLD lANO SUNVHYOH UNpHR TNE tAW6 Of THE STATE OP M�HNESOT• I 1 /� DATE S�cS' Z� � 1 � � n , G � � d �� SCA LE 1 ° -= �,00 � MINNESOTA REGISTRATION NO. 5332 �= IRON MONUMENT ( ' I L.S. #76-05 GNJ CONSTRUC7ION I� f�\ � i ! k-t- � i • � �� . �I i I �.i � �% f � � I I � ,� Lo- 9 AuJ SJrj _ �10' �y � ��0��` E T � 44 c�. o �7 �s '� ��yo � Nv9 53�-3o"�j�;s. p •, ________�v t �� /u u � NBpJ o �fdu.� N O�°-45=�0'� '``�` �o' i J io WLSY �1N� f�SK�R��n..a T�C 2 �3 5 �/w �° . ��k` � �_ �"� �~ � �94� R f� �. 4 sewer and water services available 1J p This split can be descri6ed as follows: � O The Westerly 240 feet of Lot 2, A.S. �94, except �" that part taken for highway purposes. The Westerly 100feet of the Easterly 200 feet of Lot 2. The Easterly 100 feet of Lot 2. Survcy of Lot 2, A�ditor's Sub No. 94, Anoka County, Minnesota. Subject to Hi�hway No. 694 i �, , � � �_� � .... . . i�Q-- GOAL AREA: tiUhU1N DEVELOPM[NT GOAL STAT[MENT D100: Provide adequate park facilities and recreation opportunities to ensure the hcalth and well being of the residents and provide a quality living environment. Program Objective D110: Develop an order of quality park facilities that will be flexible to the changing needs of the community. Program Plan D111: Develop Comprehensive Park Plan D112: Tennis court survey D113: City-wide need study - City-viide facilities D114: Park Availability Study D115: Program Objective D120: Provide innovative park design with a balance of functional and aesthetical considerations, creating substantial recreational, educational, social and psychological experiences. Program Plan D121: Develop design series for parks D122: Develop file on maintenance free system D123: Program Objective D130: Provide for innovative space management to allow a balance of use, freedom and control with safety as a prime consideration Program Plan Program Objective Program Plan Program Objective Program Plan GOAL STAT[P1ENT Program Objective Program Plan D131: D132: D140 D141: D142: D143: D144: Encourage the advancement of recreation opportunities for all residents. Coordinate Activities Program Teen Activities Program Elderly Activities Program D150: Promote "people oriented" parks through active citizen participation. D151: Project Committee by neighborhood D152: Dispersing of information D153: D154: D200: Help foster an attitude which stimulates tife-long motivation for learning and cultural development. D210: Promote an awareness and appreciation of the Humanities D211: D212: T,.'"',� . �� - . _ � �4✓�:F-r Y PLANNSNG G`OAAffSSION MEETING CITY OF F&IDLEY JUNS 23, 1976 PAGE 1 CALL SO ORDER• Chsirperson Harris called the meeting to order at %:35 P.M. ROLL CALL: Mambers Preseat: Harris, Bergman, LangenYeld, Peterson, Shea, Gabel (attending for Wahlberg) Members Absent: Others Present: None Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVE PLANNING C014QISSION MINi3TFS: MAY 19, 1976 Mr. Peterson asked if when the Vice Chairperson was in attendance the regular Chairperson xas shown as absent, or if that xas only if there xas no one from a particular Co�mnission present. Chairperson Harris said he believed ii was listed as the person in attendance, Mr. Peterson said that at the May 19th meeting, Mrs. Wahlberg shonldn't be counted as absent since Mrs. Gabel was there represemting her� and Mr. Harris said that in the Ytxture it should be noted that the Vice Chairperson was sitting in for the regular Chairperson at these meetings. MOTION by Lengenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Cononission minutes oY Mav 19� 1976 be approved as xritten. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. APPROVE PLAIVNING COMMISSION MINUTFS: JUNE 9, 1976 Mr. LangenPeld referred to the discussion on page 1 under "Approve Planning Co�i.ssion Minutes: May 19, 19T6", and asked Mr. Hoardman to exglain what he meant. Mr. Boardman said that they had been debating if they could take action vithout a quorum by sending action on to the Council, and they had decided they could not send on any action to the Council �+ithout opening a public hesring and they could not do that since they did not have a quorum. Mr. Bergman requested that on page 5, second paragraph under "Street Width Standards", the sentence "Mr. Bergman said that �a what waa backed dovn to vhen a better situation xasn't avilable, and* be stricken and a nev sentence started beginning xi.th "Mr. Boardman said...". He also noted that on page 5, the last sentence in the second to last paragraph� he had been talking about street humps, He said that aince this wasn't germaae he vould request that this senteace be stricken. Mrs. Gabel said that on page 7� third paragraph� she xould like the sentence to read "towards a buildfng to store hockey and sof'tball equip�nent" instead of "tovards �e building oY a ahed to store hockey and softball equipmept". / �� Planning Co�nission Meeting - June 23� 1976 page 2 4 A MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Gabel, that the Planning Commission mi.nutes of June 9, 197(i be approved as corrected. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Hr. Peterson asked Mrs. Gabel, rrith reference to her statement on pege 7, i£ she had read the xhole discussion pertaining to that building. Mrs. Gabel replied she had and said she xas curious about this and asked if there r►as additional information. Mr. Peterson explained that the sports associations aere asking to build a buildiag free, on a lease basis, and xere asking to put it on city property. He said that they had warated to put it behind the arena but there xasn't room there, so someone suggested putting it at Comuons, Hoxener, he continued, the Council requires brick facing at Commons so some of the members oP the Parks and Recreation Conanission said if they xere going to Commons they vould have to conform vith the building standards which would require brick facing. He said that the sports associations irould be doing all the xork and furnishing of the money for the building vith the ex¢eption of the brick facing� and this is what the $900 yras to pay for. Mrs. Gabel said she understood that and suggested this could be discussed a little later xhen the Parks and Recreation minutes �+ere received. RECENE F�ANIRONMENTAL QUALITY COHI�fISSION MIIIVTES: MAY 18, 1976 Chairperson Harris asked Mr. I.angenfe2d if he xanted the P2anning Co�ission to take action on the motion by Mrs. Sporre concerning the Teen Center, aad Mr. Langenfeld said he just wanted to bring this to the attention of the Planning Co�anission. Nr. Boardmen suggested that this be added to the agenda as en additional item. MOTTON by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Teea Center be added to the agenda of the Planning Commission meeting, IIpon a voice vote, all voting qye, the motion carried unan3mously. MOTIpN by LangenPeld� aeconded by Gabel� that the Planning Co�mnission receive the minntes of the Fhvironmental Quality Co�mnission meeting of May 18� 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimonsly. RECENE APPEALS COKlfISSION MIN[TTES: MAY 25, 1976 Chairperson Harris said he noted on page 38 that the Appeals Commi.ssion also made a reco�nendation on the Youth Center. MOTION by Gabel, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Coimnission receive the minutes of the Appeals Co�auission meeting of Mqv 25, 1976. IIpon a eoice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION PffNUTES: MAY 24� 1976 1Srs. liabel reYerred to the second paragraph from the bottom on psge 4 oP the Parks and Recreation minutes, and said that this was the reason for her comment at the last Planning Commission meeting. She sai.d she xas xondering in terms oY Parks and Hecreation iY priorities didn't need to be reassessed, and added that she got the Yeeling it vas sports oriented and could Yind the money Yor things that rrere sports oriented� but that other thinga sometimes got pushed aside. Mrs, Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 197b Page 3 � B' Gabel comnented that at the same time she xas plessed to see that they were setting up a conunittee to look at this very thing, so perhaps her aosments were a little prematyre. She added that some youths have other interests besides sports that they xere not addreasing themselves to. Mr. Peterson stated that xas difficult to co�ent on as no other specific programs had been mentioned. Mrs. Gabei said she xas referring to the problem of getting the Youth 6enter going� and kept hearing the co�nent that Parks and Recreatiott doesn't have the money in their budget to help then out. Mr. Peterson stated that he didn't think this xas irhat Parks and Recreation said. He said he thought they said that a Youth Teen Center didn't fall under Parks and Recreation� end they dida't see where that xould fit into the aoncept of Parks and Recreation wi.thin the city. He added that based on the professional siaff report that was given to them conceraing space requiremeats, and all things taken i.nto consideration, it was the position of the Parks and Hecreation Co�ai.ssion that they didn't £eel it tirould fit in vith their concept. Mrs. Gabel said that she thought that recrea- tion should encompass something more than sports, and that perhaps it was time to take a look at the program. She stated that this was the reason for her comment. Chairperson Harris referred to the Comparison of Recreational Activities informa- tioa ihat had been distributed at a previous meetiag� and Mr. Peterson said this had been prepared by Staff. Ae stated that the Parks aad Becreation Co�ission also had questions concerning xhat 'vas there� so they shouldn't be held responsible for xhat xas on the sheet. Chairperson Harris said he just xanted to get Mr. Peterson's input on some of the areas, and asked if he noticed that it se�ed a lot of money xas spent on supervi.sors, officials, and that sort of thing and not very �uch on the actual participants. Mr. Petereon said that xould probably be true� because most of' the sports in the city were nui by volunteer organizations. He stated that if the city vere to fund them, they xonldn�t have very many programs, so it was done on a cooperative basis. Mr. Peterson said that in Babe Ruth base- ball, for example� the city pays half of the umpire�s costs and Babe Ruth p�ys the other half, furnishes the uniforma, and has volnnteer managers. He said the city furnishes the maintenance. Chairperson Harris co�ented he hadn't understood that as the sheet hadn't reflected that i.nformation. Chairperson Harris said there xere a couple other areas that saere not organized sporta that he was rrondering about, and in particular general skating. He asked zrhat 32 W.H. me�nt� and Mr. Peterson said that xas 32 xA+,n�n� �youse supervisors. Mr. Harris commented that maintenance ran almost $10,000 and Mr. Peterson said they vere questioning the accuracy of these figurea because it seemed that in the vintertime all the maintenance people xere charged aga3nst either general skating or hoekey, attd they fe1L this vas ridiculous. Mr. Peterson explained it was nery much like all of the Parks and Recreation programs; they are charged against the budget as a charge� and xhen a fee is received from the participant in various activities, this �aoney is then creditied to general revenue ratner than back againat Parks and Recreation. He further explained that if the maintenance people did street ploxing or other things for the Street Department� xhich they do every xinter, it was still charged against general skating or hockey, He said there would be an offset Yrom the Street budget, but it would be credited back into general revenne. Mr. Harris said he understood this a little better� and it sounded to him like the accountittg should be refurbished a bit, He stated there vere two other areas that concerned him; Playgrounds and Lifeguards. He said a considerable amount xas spent in both those areas and they are both summertime activities� axad asked Planning Couunission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 4 � � if the same thing had happened in those areas as did vrith hockey and general skating. Mr. Peterson answered no, not completely� because the maintenance people do get some of their time charged into actual park maintenance such as maintaining the ball diamonds for the boys and girls, beaches� etc. He said they had talked to the person yrho had compiled this information and asked about allocations� and she told them they had talked to the supervisor who made a calculation. Chairperson Harris said the reason he asked was because under Supervisora they had Director, Supervisor, Soccer, Archery, Arts & Crafts, and a total of $15�178, which was a considerahle amount of money. He said there rras also a total o£ $2,227 under Eqnipment For Games, Crafts, T.C.F., and non-oYfice supplies. Mr. Peterson said that all of the money that was generated at the beach concessions, for example, goes back into general revenue; but the help that runa it is charged against the Parks and Recreation operating budget. Ae stated that for a true picture the offsetti.ng of credits iaould be needed to see xhat the costs wonld actually be. Mr. Harris sai.d he had one other question on Lifeguards, and asked if the partic- ipant figure of 18,000 was correct. Mr. Peterson said he believed that figure was arrived at on a sampling basis by park usage on a certain number of dqys. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by LangenPeld, that the Planning Commission receive the minntes of the Parks and Recreation Cotmnission meeting of May 21�, 1976 . Upon a eoice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimonsly. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTFS: NHE 3. 1976 Chairperson Harris noted that on page 1!t there was an Affirmative Action Program 9nalysis� and asked if this rras uhat has been done to date. Mrs. Shea replied that this xas where they stood right nox. Mr. Harris asked if they had discussed a goal in this area, and Mrs. Shea said that the city had a goal. Mr. Harris asked xhere they tirere on this, and Mr. Boardmen replied that there vas no intent on replacing anybody that is presently an smployee� but if certain people quit then certain positions xould be £illed from this program. He said that to date they vere about 50% there, and vere sitting prettg good as £ar as the state reviex o£ the Af£irmative Action Program. MOTION by Shea� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Co�nission receive the minutes of the Human &esonrces Conwission weeting of June 3, 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting sye� the motioxi carried nnanimonsly. RECEIVE COMMONITY DEYELOPlSFddT COMlflSSION HINUTES: JUNE 8, 1976 Mr. Langenfeld said the Commission should bear in miad the motion on page 16 concerning the Teen Center for fhrther discussion� end Chairperson Harris said it xas so noted. Mr. Harris asked how the Sign Co�ittee xas coming� and Mr. Bergman said they had their first meeting Mond�y night. fle said they were lacking a member from the beague oP Women Voters, bnt have found that the Lesgue does not meet in the summer. He said they were told that the representative from the League vould be 3ndependent, Mr. Ber�nen added that a substitute representative from the Chamber had attended the Yirst meeting, He commented that it was a good meeting� and Planning Commission Keetiag - June 23s 1976 page 5 4 D successful to get it off the gronnd� and told the Co�mi.ssion they had agreed to meet oxice a month. Chairperson Harris asked if the Bikejrqy Comaittee vas doing anything, and Mr. Bergman said that the Chairman of that cou�.ittee should be at the next Planning Co�iasioa meeting to bring there up to date. t4UTI0lY by Bergman� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Co�mnission receive the minutes of the Community Development Co�ission meeting of June 8� 1976. IIpos a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECSIVE APPEAIS COHI�fISSION MLQITTES: JUNE 15, 1976 Mrs. Gabel said she wonld like a correction made on page !t of the minutes, third paragraph from the bottom. She stated she vould like the follosring sentence added before that par�graptz "Mrs. Gabel sai.d she did not like this procednre, and that while the variaace was in order the procednre was not, and if it xould kappen again she s+ould very strong�y object", She said this should be folloved by the sentesce starting "Mr. Remper said,..." and "and Mrs. Gabel agreed" should be stricken. She stated that �rhen she said she egreed she meant her statement ahould also go on the record. MOTI0IV by Gabel� seconded by Peterson� that the Plsaning Coranission receive the minutea of the Appeals Cownission meeting of June 15� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting a,qe, the motioa carried unanimously. Atr. Boardman told the Commi.ssion that the City Conncil had acted on the variance reqnest by Mrs. Sporre at their last meeting, and had approved it according to xhat the Board of Appeals said. He ewmiented that it was a bit out of order and the StafP was a little upset by this also. Mr. Boardman said tne :Appeais commission should h�ve tabled the item siace she did not have all the necessary signatures that night and requested that City StaYY send out notic�s per procednre. lArs. t;abel said that vas xhy they put on all the stipulations. 1, PUt3LIC HEAttZbU: HEQUEST F08 A SPECZAL USE PEHMST SP #'1b-07 BY dAc�CY M�;LdI�: To allow a child care center for ten ahil ren, per I�idley City o�is��uection 205.Oy1� 3, F� in an H-1 Zone (single familq dwelling areas), to be located ott Lot 12, block 3, Ke�lovmoor Terrace Addition, the same being 13![b Headovmoor Drive N.E. Hrs. Nancy Helbie was present� along frith Terry Nagel of the Social Services Depart�ent of the Anoka County Wel£are Board, HOTIOH by Ber�aan� seconded by Gabel� that the Planning Coauaission open the Public Hesring on the request for a Special Use Permit� SP �j76-O7� by Nancy � Melbie. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Pnblic Hesrin� open at 8:25 P,ti. NIr. Board�asn sai�tha� as s��this xould be a 5pecial Use Permi� for a - I ehild day care center, and Mrs. Melbie vould be having ten children there. He suL�mitted to the Coimnission a statement oY approval aigned by ten o£ Mrs. Melbie's neighbors. Flannimg Coauaission Meeting - June 23, 197b peSe 6 � E Chairperaon Barris read the folloxing statement out loud: "I, �Iancy Melbie, aa naking sppliaation for a Special Use Permit to the City of Fridley, for having ten full-tiae children at � Day Care. t�v yard xill be fenced and they xill be kept on my ovn property. I need to advise you of this, and I request your signatnre for permission or refhsal of permission. If you reflise, please state reason for refusal.° Mz'. Harris noted that all ten neighbors had given their approval. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman, to receive the petition o£ approval. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried uttanimously. 1lr, Boardaan stated that since the neighbors have been contacted and there are no written ohjectioas� City Stsff has ao ohjectiona to the proposal. He asked if Mrs. Melbie Was licensed xith the state� attd Ma. Nagel replied she xas licensed by the State of Mixmesota to care for five, and had been operating since November, 1975. She stated that Mrs. Melbie xould like to ezpand to include a greater number oY children; end although the state didn't necessarily require a nex pex�ait she must meet city codes to carry on her business. Mr, gaardman said that Fridley City Code, Section 205.051� 3� F� s+onld allox a child day care center Yor ten childrea in a R-1 Zone. Hr. Langenfeld asked if this xould fall nnder the category of nursing homes� and Hr. Boardman said the code did not really say d�v care center� but they interpreted a day care center as that type of operation in which there is caring for more than five persons, Ha, Nagel said she vnderstood the reason they n�s+aded a Special Use Permit xas because Hrs. Melbie planned to hire someone to help her since she vould be taking children unier three years old. Mr. Boardman atated that as far as the Special Use Permit vas concerned� theq felt this would be regulated under the hospitals� nursing homes, etc.! since Hrs. 2ielbie �ronld be hiring ontside of her home. Chairperson Harris asked abont the traffic involved in loading and unloading children� and Mr. Boardman replied that ten children wouldn't provide heavy traffic, Mr. Harris asked xhat the hours of operation xould be� and Mrs. Melbie said basically from 6:00 - 5:30� but they varied depending on the hours of the parent. Mr. Harris questioned iP there srould be parking Yor long periods, and Mrs. Melbie replied it would only be a matter of seconds. Hr. Harris then asked if aYP-'street parking would be provided for the assistant, and Mrs. Melbie said that ber assistant lived right next door. Chairperson Harris asked if they didn't require the Fire Marshall to look at this, and Mr. Boardman replied that the Welfare Department checked that. Mr. Harris asked how large the fenced-in area vas� and Mr. Boardman replied that the lot aize was 75 g 120 so there xas probablq a 50 % 75 back yard. Mr. I.angen- feld asked if Mrs. Melbie had the proper liabilitq coverage from an insurance standpoint� and she said she did, Ii0TI0N by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Plenning Commission close the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #7b-07� by Nsncy Helbie. Upon a voice vote, all voting �e� Chairperson Harris declared the Rxblic A�aring closed at 8:35 P.M. Planning Corn�ission Keeting - Jvne 23, 1976 �a � P�e � 4 F ;;. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by LangenPeld� that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Conncil approval of the reqnest for a Special Use Permit, SP �{76-07, by Nancy Melbie� to allox a child care center for ten children� per Fridley City Code� Section 205.051, 3, F� in an R-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas), to be located on Lot 12, Block 3� lieados�or Terrace Addition� the same bei.ng 1346 Heados+awor Drive N.E. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. a TBPlSt OT LOt3 1 LO fl 1T1C11181Ye� HlOCKS 11 Lot 1� Block 28� Innsbruck Horth Townhonses in the size oP garages, generally located on Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. PLAT. P t[li L15V1�:l.V!'!llilY'1' l:VltYUtLA'1'1VN: nei t rough 2, an so part of Third Addition, to allox changes the West side of East Bavarian Chairperson Harris informed the Co�mo.ission that Mr. Jim London had called him before the meeting to let him lmorr he vould be late� and he suggested that this public hearing be del�yed until the arrival of Mr. London. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Gabel, to temporarily table the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliiainary plat, P.S. J�b-O5� �sbruck North Replat Third Addition� by Darrel A. Farr I�velopment Corporation, until Mr. London arrived. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. W1L1,7UN: 1'o permit the converslon or a one-2'amily� txo-story house to a tw fo-'�amilq house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per Fridley City Code, Section 205•051, 3, D, to be located on Lot 2, Block 1, Froid�s Addition� the same being �O1 Ironton Street N.E. Mrs. Phillip iiillson ezplained she was present to represent her hnsband, s�ho xas ill and conld not attend the meeting. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planniag Co�aisaion open the Publie Hearing on the request for a Special Use Perndt� SP #76-08� by Pl�illip M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting a�ye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:lt0 P.M. Afr. Boardman ezplained that this xas a two-story frame home� and according to the Citq Code they can't develop a txrfarily home vithia a R-1 area. He shoxed the Commission a picture of the house, and said it xas located on the North aide of Ironton Street just East of a present two-famiiy dwelling unit that was=b�ng bnilt. Hr. Boardman said that at this ti.me the City StaYf would have no objections to a two-iamily dxelling as far as zoning pnrposes go; and they felt that if the design of the structnre xas proper they could envision a txo-family dvelling with no trouble. Mr. Bergman asked if the tuo-dxelling structure that xas being built next door wonld be elassiPied as a donble bungalow and fall under those requirements. I�^. Boardman said it fell nader the requirements of a txo-fami.lq structure as far as parking requirements, etc.� but it still is in a R-1 area. Planning Co�mnission Meeting - June [3� 147o P88e 8 �� 1 Mrs. Shes asked xhat the square Yootage oi' tne bonse tras, ana Mr. Boardman and Mrs. Willaon ensxered Lhey did not tmox. lir. 13oarda�an said that the lot uas 13�5bb square Yeet and that lu,utR1 square Yeet vas required Yor a douole bungalov. Mrs. Gabel asked how many rooms there were, end Mrs. Willson answered there vere Your rooms upstairs that xould be made into an apartment, plus a large porcn. She added that they would be living in the domstairs apartment �hich also consisted af four rooras and a porch, and there xould ne txo stainrays. Chairperson Harris asked if they xere proposi.ng a considerable amount oY remodeling, amd lSrs. Willson said they Were. Mr. LangenYeld asked if they had complete heatiag and cooking elements separate Yor thrs rental area, and Mrs. Willson said tdat was right. Mrs. Gabel asked iY they would be making the upstairs apartment into a one or two bedroom, and Mr�. Willaon replied it xould be a two-bedrnom apartment Kith separate nathroom and kitchen facilities. Mr, tter�nan asked ii' a petition had been circulated or any Yormal document signed by the neighbors, and Mrs. Willson said she had no signed statement but tne neighbors she had talked to didn't object. She said she felt iY anyone had an objection they vould be at this meeting to voice their opinions. Cnairperson Harris asked iY they had a one-car garage, and Mrs. iiillson said they xere planning on building a gsrage that vould be large enough to include a tennent. Mr. Harris then aaked iY they xere planning on paving tne drivexay� and Mrs. Yfillson said she vasn't sure, but Mr. Hoaraman said it xould ve required to meet all codes. Mr. LangenYeld said he vould like to indicate that due to the age oY this drelling it should be approved as Yar as iYre saYety vas concerned, and Hr. tsoardman said it xould be required to meet code. Mr. Hergman asked xhac type oY dwelling ra�isted on sach oi' the four aides, lirs. Willson ansvered that there were two double bungaloxs on one side, 8 98C8T1L lot xhich they owued on the other aide� a four-plex across the street, a five-family apartment kitty-corner across the street, and a Metro 500 gas station behind them. Mr, Boardman explained that the area behind them xas xoned M-1 and R-1, MOTION by Peterson, secoaded by Shea, that the Planning Coimnission close the Public Hesring on the request for a Speeial Use Permit, SP �%/6-08, by �illip M. Willsoa. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 8:50 P.H. 14UPION by Bergman, seconded by Gabel, that the Planning Co�isaion recoaanend to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-08, by Phillip K. Willson, to permit the conversion oY a one-family, trro-story house to a txo-family house in an R-1 District (single family dxelling areas}, per Fridley City Code� Section 205•051, 3, D� to be located on Lot 2, Block 1, Froid�s Addition, the same being 401 Ironton Street H.E. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimousl,y. _�. PUBLIC HSARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SY #76-Q9 $r srav�s U TE: Per Fridley C ty C e� ect on 0. � 3s N, to al orr an outside s�ipTay azea for a hydroponic growing system, to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Block 3, Ree's Addition, the same being 6}t83 University Avenue N.E. Iir. Robert 5tavanau was present to represent Stav's Sttperette. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Hergman, that the P].anning Co�aission open the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #?b-09, by Stav's Plaaning Coamiission Heeting - June 23, 1976 Page 9 �i H Superette. Upon a voice nate, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris deelared the Public Hesring open at 8:51� P,M. , Mr. Boardman explained that this wonld be a Special Use Permit for an outside display area used for displaying small greenhouses, to be located in the front of the building in the present parking lot on the University and Mississippi Street side. He said it xas already there onJ,y because Mr. Stavanau had no other place to store it, and with the understanding that iP the Special Use Permit was denied he wonld remove it iimnediately. Mr. Boardman shoWed the Commission Mr. 5tavaaau's proposal depicting vhat he planned to do. He explained it srould be in a fenced area built up xith railroad ties aud landscaping would be provided, and the present boulevard area vrould be resodded and trees srould be planted. He stated that the access through the parking lot on Mississippi Street would be cut off. He said this xas a portable, for-sale unit. Mrs. Gabel said she sax a traffic problem xith the sridth that xas left for cars, and Mr. Boardman shoved jrhere the people drove on the service drive. He said this �as a proposal to block that off, and shoxed Trhere it would be open for a bike path and xalk path. He ezplained that there xas a stTeet improvement project, and this proposal may save the city money as far as acquisition from Eed Owl, too, because if this xas cut off they could start their acquisition back further and might not have to pick np as much properiy. He said he wonld like to add that �i.th this i.mprovement there vould also be a building improvement, as they xould be taking down the yellox facade and putting on a ahake roof mansard. He added that any improvement that xas done� and Mr. Stavanau vas aware of this, would be a temporary situatioa since he is a renter. Mr. Boardman explained that the property was oxned by a doctor, and he vas attempting to sell it. Mr. Langenfeld asked if this xas going to be there permanently, including the xinter� and Mr. Boardman replied it xas. He sai.d it was a permanent display area for this type of sqstem. Mr. Langenfeld said that here again they xould be giving a Special Use Permit to the property� and Mr. Boardman said that xas correct. Chairperson Harris asked xhat a hydroponie growing system xas� and Mr. Stavanau answered it was growing food stu£fs xithont soil. He ilirther explained it xas asoii-less garden using strictly water, and all the buildi,ngs vere heated. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was a large degree of heat� and what the maximum temperature xas. Mr. Stavanan replied it went up to eighty degrees� and everything was thermostatically controlled. He said it was all self-contai.ned in the unit� and a typical heating cost for that size of unit Por one year was only abont $200. Hr. Peterson asked i£ he vas planning on grosring things in that unit, and Mr, Stavanau replied he Was, Mr, Bergman asked vhat his objective xas, and 14r, Stavanau ansxered hydroponic system sales. Mr. Ber�nsn stated that he xas somerrhat turned off, and Mr, Stavanau said this xould all tie in srith a method of justifying the expense of overall beautification of a not too sightly building. He said that looking at the plan� a garden type of spot would be easier to visualize than the littered parking lot they had now. Hr. Bergman explained he hadn't meant to drop his statement there� and said that if there xas such a thing as the center of the city� that corner vas very posaibly it, He said that he thought aesthetically that corner� and particularly that side Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 10 � 1 of the street the superette was located on� lacked sesthetic besuty right now, and to him the addition of vhai Mr. Stavanau xas proposing vould merely add to the lack oP uniformity of building design. He contimied that that side of the street right now gave him the impression oY crovdedness� it was aesthetically unpleasant, there r2re parking problems, the occupancy and structures were ineonsi�tent� and visualizing the addition of this structure in the front merelq added to that, 24r. Stavan�u replied that he felt just the opposite� and also felt it rmuld add to his busiaess. He said they xould be working with the Staff and they wonld haoe to a�ree th�t it xas appropriate and actually doing what their intent vas. He stated that there was quite a bit of dollars and cents involved in the landacaping to replace what is nov blacktop. He explained it xould all be terraced and redwood chip, shrubhery, and landscaping that would *m�ap around the front of the strncture. He added that they plaaned to include the boulevard srhich jras at present just a xeed patch. Hrs. Gabel asked if there would be direct access from the store to this unit, and Mr. Stavanau replied there would be. Mrs. Gabel asked if he believed that vanda7.ism rronld be less by putting this in the front. Mr. Stavanau answered he did� and stated there xas better lighting and the traffic would add as a dete�t for vandalism. Mrs. Gabel asked if he didn't see a degree of risk involved since the oi+nership was up in the sir� and Mr. Stavanau replied he had waited for seven years for the oxner to make impronements. He said that looking at the potential retnrn profit-xise, theq Pelt they conld justif� the ezpense as a lease holder, too. Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to i.ndicate one thing that upset him a bit� and that ras even though it had been prearranged srith StaPf this had gone up vi.thout a permit� and if a fellox neighbor had stuck this in the ba�k yard he rould have had to act quickly. He said he certainly rrished Fridley busines�s vell� but this type of thiag surprised him. ISr. Boardmen eaPlained that it weat there for security pnrposes only and with the understanding that if they received aRy complaints it vonld be moved. He stated it was a$2�000 structure and by placing it in the rear yard xhere they have present parking problems it frould be hampering present traffic flov. He added that they had not received aay complaints. Mr. Peterson stated that there were certainly a great deal of i21ega1 turns on Mississippi going West, and if some of these problems were eliminated it would be a good thin�. Re said he felt Mr. Stavanau should be co�maended for improving the building since he xas not the osmer� and added that he had been a good citiaen in the bnsiness eo�aunity. Fie added that he was willing to take Mr. Stavaz►an's xoxd that this would improve the sesthetics of that corner and not detract from it. Mrs. Gabel asked if there xould be room for a car to get through� and Mr. Boardman replied there vonld not be as there vonld only be a Pive foot walk area. Chairperson Harris asked if he planned to eliminate the blacktop along Mississippi Street also� and Mr. Stavanau replied he did and added that it xonld tie in with the bikexay. Mr. Boardman said that by request of the city they �rould be leaving a five foot strip of blacktop so the city could get the bikeway system out of the intersection. Plenning Gommission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 11 4 � Chairperson Harris asked horr tall the fence xas� and Mr. Stavanau replied it was a b� ehain link Fence. Mr. Harris asked hov long he envisioned this strueture being there. Mr. Stavanan replied it xas strictly a displ�* unit, but it was for sale� so he real�y didn't lmov at this point. Mr. Harris then asked xhat xonld happen if this venture didn't work out very vell� and xhat rrould happen to the area. Mr. Stavanau ansxered that they xould have a lovely looking front yard. Mr. Iiarris asked what wonld happen if somebody bought this particular nnit and it vas �ooed off. Mr. Stavanau said another display would go in there as their itttentioa vas continuing displays. Mr. Harris said he xas looking Yor some type of aasnrance that it would not be used for something like a storage area� and Mr. Stavanau said that as he understood it he Would then need another Special llse Permit as this one was specifically for a k�ydroponic display. Chairperson Harris asked iP for some reason this unit Was removed and not replaced� if Hr. Stavanan would agree to soddi.ng the area� snd he replied he would. Mr. 5tavanau added tnat a certain amount oY this landscaping and building improve- ment had been their intention for some time� and they had just reached the point that since the landlord uasn't going to do it they £elt they must as a part oY good business. 1lr. Hoardman said that rather tnan make a statement of sodding, Staf1' xould prefer to s�r complete landscaping in the area where the strneture xas located. Mr. Bergman said that aside from the landscaping improvements which ne agreed xere needed� it seemed to him that this kind of an i.nstallat3on ought more astnrally be placed in the back of the bnilding iastead of the front, and asked iP Hr. Stavanau nad considered tnat. He answered that he had� but xould like it located in front partly for security reasons and partly for exposure. He added that it would look better xhen it xas gro`ring and there were green plants inside� and said he thonght the Co�mnissioa would be pleasantly surprised when it Was doxa. Mr. Langenfeld asked if this hydroponic system vas a Japanese procedure� and 2�Ix�. Stavanau replied it xas not. He said this system has been arovnd for centuries and added as a point of interest that during World War II there yrere 13 million tons oY produce produced this way. He stated that it has really progressed rapidly £rom that point, but had never become a very profitable thing until the more extensive use of PVC and poly because the nutrients that are fed to the plants are all xater soluable. Hr. Langenfeld asked if he had at least $3,000 invested in this nox, and Mr. Stavanau replied he did. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there xould be a considerable hardehip plaeed on him ii the permit was denied� other than the initial i.nvestment. Mr. Stavan� answered that he would have to find a nesr home for it. Chairperson Harris said that when he talked to the oxners of that property in the past he alrqys heard it xould only be there for a couple more years, and asked i£ Nr. Stavanau thought that was ever going to come to pass. Mr. Stavanau replied he did not, MOTIODI by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Couoission close the Public Hearing on the request Yor a Special Use-•Permit� SP jY76-09� bY Stae's Sxiperette. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Pnblic Hearing closed at 9:30 P.H. P1Qnning Commission Meetittg - June 23, 1976 Page 12 4K ---�•.— iSOTI0A1 by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld? that the Plazuaing Co�eission recommend to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #7b-09, By $tav�s Superette, per Fridley City Code� Section 205.101� 3, N, to allov an autside display area £or a hydroponic growing systey to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Block 3� Ree's Addition� the same being 6lt83 Dniversity Avenue N.E.� �rith the stipulations as outlined in terms o� landscaping and building modification� and with the understanding that some tppe of landscape would be put into the space if 3L srere no longer occnplied by a Y�ydropottic strncture. Mr. Bergmau atated he could not enviaion at�y well-organized, sesthetically- pleasiag archfiteatural plan made by proYessional people placing that unique, nnnaual� and very different structure in Pront of that building on that particular corner. He said he thought there xas a sizeable amenznt o£ visual blight in that general area nox, and thought this kind of uniqne facility Wau1d just add to it. He stated Por these reasons he rmuld have to vote a�sinst it, Mr. Langenfeld asked i£ it xas correct that under the Special Use Pez�ait this xould have the element oP control for approaimately one year, and Mr. Harris said that was correct. Mr. Langenfeld said the vay he looked at it nox he agreed xith PSr. Bergman� but if there xas the element of control on an annual basis perhaps it conld be watched more closely and then be more aesthetically pleasing than it xas right nox. Mr. Peterson AMENDED the MOTlON to include the st3pulation that Staff revier the Special Use Permit after one year. Secoaded by LangenfeZd. Mr. Bosrdman said he xould like to reco�end that the planti.ng that is placed around this strncture be to such a period in its growth that it yrould provide the type of landscaping+ shrubbery and trees that xould be necessary to promote a garden area. Mr. Feterson stated that xas implied in the motion that he made because both the patitioner and Staff had ment3aned it was going to be a cooperative venture betveen them and so he assumed that between them there would be a meeting of the minds, lRr. Boardman cormaented he felt Mr. Bergman might be more comfortable xith that type of a stipulation. Chairperson Harris said that under the existing circumstanees he disagreed with iir. Bergman. He stated he thought any improvement ia that area would be beneficial to the corner, and if this xas denied there xould be no improvement and the status quo uould remain the same for another seven years or until the building fell doxn. Mr. Hsrris said that he agreed Yiom the standpoint of aesthetics that he probably would not want to see it in front of City Hall, but he thought it xas a move in the right direction and ii xould solve some trafYic problems in there. He added that he wished there could be a barrier Prom the reat oi that parking lot, and su�gested some temporary curbing across where it seid "!t0 feeta to keep the patrons frora the Canterbury £rom wandering into the srea inadvertently. Mr. Stavanau said he understood what Mr, Harris vas talking about� and stated there Was no reason they couldn't go right acroas there �+ith the landscaping. Mr. Harris said he was thinking they might have a Walks+ay along side the ties snd in through the gate, and added that this might start something fresh in the vhole center. Mr. Boardman said he had talked to the Center Manager and while he is willing to have City Staff talk to the other owners, he said he is unwilling to do any improvements on this thing. Mr. Boardman explained he xas trying to phase that build3ng out af operation, snd a.fter another ten-year period the structure Would � �ri Planning Comaission tieeting - June 23, 1976 Page 13 lj � no longer be a cost to the property, He said that az�y improvement on th� building would incresse the length of time that they rrould have to operate it in order to get the money back from that bu3lding. Mr. I,angenPeld said he vould like to comment that he hoped this Would not start a trend that everything from soup to nuts Would go out in front o£ other places. Mr. Harris said he believed that the City Council had already set a precadent as far as this was concerned when they allowed the tr�siler sales park in front of Holiday Village. He stated that if the city allows trailer sales faci.ng 694 in the Holidy parking lot, then ar�ybody xho has nacant parking area that is not used hes the same rights to apply for the same uses, Hr, Bergman said if the trailer sales fluictioa were requested on the corner of Mississippi and Univ- ersity, his vote xould have been diPferent. Chairperson Harris sai.d that the trailer sales park was on the corner of 69k and University and that corner xas a far busier one. He stated that many more people visiti,ng the city would see that operation than this one. Mr. Langenfeld said he vanted to point out that he vas not questioning anyone�s rights. Mr. Harris stated that uith the precedent being set� as far as he was concerned, he aas going to vote for this particular proposal. UPON A ROLL CALL YOTE� Harris, Langenfeld� Peterson, Shea and Gabel voting aye� Ber�nan voting nay� the motion carried 5- 1. Block 28, Innsbrnck North Tojrnhouses Third Addition� to allow changes in the size of garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Afr, Jim London� Mr. Jerry Anderson and I�[x�. Lorin Woods were present. MOPION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planni.ng Coimnission open the Public Aearing on the consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S. �/76-05� Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition� by barrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote, all eoting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 9:115 P.M. Mr. London� representing Darrel A. Farr DeveloFnnent Corporation� stated that after talking to Hr. Anderson and Mr. Woods he xould 2ike to request that this be tabled until the next meeting of the Planning Co�nission as they had some problems to r+ork out at the Innsbruck North Tor+nhouse Architectural Control Committee level. He said that these problems would have to be vorked out before they could go ahead rrith their plan, or it xonld be withdrarm. MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Peterson� that the Public Hearing on consider- ation oY a preliminary plat� P.S. #'T6-O5� Innsbrnck North Replat Third Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, be tabled until the nea�t Planning Coymnission naeeting on July ].It, 1976, rrith the Public Hearing open. Upon a voice vote� aI.2 aoting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Planning Coaepission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 11� lir. liergman said he had received some comnents from townhouse owners� and tn�.r concern seems to be the lack of open parking and loss of some of same �rith the proposal. Mr, London said it xas so noted. A VACATIOBI. SAV easement on tae Southerty 3j ieet oi 2� fiast Ranch Estates Second Addtion. Mr. Itobert Schroer rras prssent. Vacate the street et of I,ot !y, Block 4M Mr. F3oardmazt explained that this request rras brought before the Planning Co�ission from the Special Use Permit granted to gennedy Transmission Company, and that Bob Schroer had submitted a request for vacation of that street. Mr. Boardman sai.d Mr. Schroer had agreed to the easement of 50' as reqnested by the Pla�ning Coimnission, snd the vacation xas Yor the 33' that �rent through the transmission company�s property. Mr. Harris asked if there vere suy lines of azty sort in that 33'� and Mr. Hoardman replied yes, the city xould have to maintain for sanitary sexer. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Co�nission reco�maend to the City Council approval of the request for a vacation, SAV �i76-03, bY Nobert Schroer� to vacate the street easement on the Southerly 33 feet of the Easterly 200 f'eet o2' Lot !�, Block 2� East xanch Fstates Second Addition� xith the stipulations Yor drainage and utility easements as ontlined by Staff. Nr. Boardman said that it xas his understanding that Mr. Schroer rrould eliminate the proposed street in the rear and all the indnstrial property will be faced orf af 8anchers Road, Chairpersott riarris said that perhaps at that time they should make a note and tie those split-off lots to the rear lots somehoW� as tne abandonment of the road idea wonld create some lattd-locked property. Hr, Boardman said that the city would maintain a road easement as long as those lots �rere msintained, and crith a replat that road vould be vacated. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye� the motion carried waenimouslq. ;.�A YOUTH CEdTER DISCUSSION Mr. Ned Storla ras present representing the Youth Project Co�nittee. Mr. Boardman said he wanted to apologize for not getting this on the agenda. He stated he xas going to bring it to the Planning Co�i.ssion after it went to all the member co�issions� and it xas overlooked. He added that all the member eo�issions have looked at the proposal and made their recoromendations to the Plsaning Commission. Hr. Langenfeld said he vonld 13.ke to hear the motions from the Human Resources Commission and the Community Develo�ent Co�mnissioas to get updated. � Planning Comn�ission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 15 ��' Mrs. Shea read the folloxing motion from the Human 8esources Commission neeting of April 1, 1976: MOTSON by Barbara Shea� seconded by Nancy Lambert� that the Human Resources Cotmoission approve the resolution by the YPC and ask the City through the Planning Commission to bring the Iouth Center under the auspices of the Parks and Recreation Department, Mr. Bergman read the following motion from the Co�mm�nity Development Co�.ission meeting of June 8, 197Ei: MOTION by Dennis Schneider� seconded by Hubert Lindblad� that the Co�amunity Develo�aent Commission recommend to Planning Commission concnrrence rrith the creation of a teen center in F4�idley to be operated as indicated oa Page 2 of the Humen xesources Commission meeting minutes of April 1, 1976 paragraphs oae through three and, flu�ther, that the City guarantee the use of the library within 30 daqs after acceptance of the charter as a teen center, Also, that a time limit of one �nth be set for each Cowaission to appoint a person to the temporary board of directors, If a Coimnission does not make their appointaaent xithin the one month period, then the YPC has the right to appoint a person to fill that position on the temporarq board of directors. F�rther, that the temporary board of directors consisi of an ex-officio Parks & Recreation Commission member or their designate. Hr. Bergman said he would like to comment flirther� and stated that the Comminity Derelo�ent Commi.ssion had this on their agenda on and off for six months. fle stated that they had all gotten involved in general discussion, had listened to other�s coum�ents, and had finally gotten to the guts of the matter at their last meeting when Mr. Storla was present, He contimied that i.nitially they had been concerned that there xas not a formal operating procedurel of horr this vould be run,-what hours it would be open, what they would do in it� iY it rrould be strnctured or unstructured, as all of these questions were not ans�rered. He stated that they finally backed off to the Human 8esources position at one of their previous meetings xhere the statement was made that the youth had put in enongh time on this and should not, at this point� be burdened xith a lot of detailed questions. He eo�mnented that these could be worked out during the develogaent of the charter. Mr. Bergman said they had gottea into a discussion on C3ty Hall space, and they took a look at the old library and the Parks and Recreation office and the outer office� and concluded that in their opinion there vas enough space in the Frid�ey City Hall. He stated that there might have to be some adjustment to occupaney� but it could be made to wvrk. Mr. Ber�nan contirrued that they had talked about poasible problems in a lengti�y conversation� and from having started from a position oP ronghly 50� for and 50% aga:i.nst, it xas interesting that by the time they completed their discussions and considerations there xas unanimous agreement on one key point--the thing should be given a chance. He stated that xas the basic position of Community Developnent; it mqy or may not vork� but it should be given a chance. The over-viex and control of this kind of thing, I�Sr. Her�nan stated, logically should fall rrithin Parks and Recreation. He said that commasts had been made that Parks and Recreation spends a lot of tvne xi.th young kids� but not too much time vas applied to teenagers. Hr. Bergman continued that Community DeveloFanient felt cormnitments should be made by the city at this time, prior to a detailed charter. He stated he xanted to point out that all five subcommi.ttees have studied the proposal and all five have stated on record that they are in favor of a youth center. He added that there have been some concerns as to ahere it should be located� aho should operate it� xill it work� parking problems� Planning Comaission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 16 4 � noise� etc.� bnt yet everyone s�ys they are in favor of it so a stand should he made on it. Mr. Boardman read to the Co�nission the motion from the Parks and Recreation Comnission meeti.ng of April 26� 1976: MOTION Dy Harris, seconded by Seeger� that since the Coimnission is in favor oY a youth center but not in favor of locating it in the City Hall� the Human Resources Co�ai.ssion be ssked to talk to the people at the Northeast Y and find out the status of their prograzn and see if a workable solution can be made with their facility and our intended use. Mr. Boardma� then read to the Commission a subsequent discussion on the youth center at the Parks and Recreation meetiag of May 2l�, 1976: Mr. Moore referred to a letter from the Youth Pxroject Conunittee and said he vould like to make his feelings lmorm to the Parks and Recreatiop Goimnission. He stated he had talked to several people on this subject, and he would not be against having them use the Parks and Recreation Department�s space if they were goi.ng to move out to the library area. Director Huf£ said he would sti11 be a bit negative to having the Youth Center Iocated at the City Hall. Mr. Harris stated that he had given some thought to that� and he xas not snre that Parks and Recreation should be involved in the Youth Center. Director Huff cocmnented that Conumueity Schools had offered the group to come under their auspices. Mr. Storla said that Community Schools, as he understood it� xould require raore statistics be compiled before they vou2d f1u►d the teen center. Ae explai.ned that the YPC did not have the manpower to compile how many cars would need parking� how many people a day would be using it, whzch programs would be the best for it� etc.� and Co�nunity Schools uas not xilling to flmd it on the original proposal. Mr. Peterson sai.d he xould like to point out that neither the Planning Cammission or anq of:the other Commissions had ar�y power to create anythi.ng. He stated that this hsd to be done through->the City Council� and he thought this Co�ni.ssion should be very careful xhen they say that Parks and Recreation should be doing this, because they don't have that po�rer. He stated he thought they could save all kinds of tivae and debate i£ they just recommend to Council that either they create it or not; then if Council wants to appropriate money that �rould be fine� and they could put it wherever they wanted to, He added that he still didn't think it be2onged under Psrks and Recreation� but if Council xanted to put it there, then that is rrhere it xould be. Atrs, Shea asked Mr. Peterson where the Youtn Center would go� if not under Parks and Recreation, and ?1r. Peterson asked where the other ones vent.in other communities. Mrs. Shea answered tnat most xere under the Parks and Hecreation Bepartment, and cited RichPield as an example. Mr. Storla agreed that the majority were, and said that the youth centers that xere most similiar to tne one they were setting up vere under the suspices oY the Parks and Recreation Department. Mr. Peterson said that in all the materisl ne nad seen presented, he hadn't seen "Town A" aad stabistics on hox it was operated� its budget� and so on. He continued that xhen they start talking about Parks and Recreation and start comparing programs, they have to contact ten cities and come back vith dsta on the activity, funding, etc, He stated he hadn't seen anything like that. Mrs. Shea said that vas pretty much rrhat they vere asking for now--to have StafY do something. She stated they did not have the facilities in their Commission. Plsnning Commission Meeting - June 23� 197b Paqe 17 4 P Mr. Storla said tnat they had conducted an educational seminar across the street and about iifty people had turned out. He stated that five directors from five diYYerent teen centers had attended and discnssed their operations, so they nad been through that. Mr. Peterson asked iY they had contacted teen centers in other cities. Mr. Storla replied ttcey had gone to Crystal, nad talked to the police in Minneapolis and the Couununity Activities Director, and had gone to tne Northern Suburben one in Coon kapids. He added that iY they had the time and money they eould hsve had statistics compiled, but they dicln't have the staY£ and thought perhaps the City did. He said tnat after looking at this for six months they vould like to see it set up. Mr. LangenYeld read to the Commission the motion made bq the Fhvironmental Quality Commiseion fron the minutes of their May lti, 1976 meeting: MOTION by bee Ann Sporre� seconded 1'or discussion by itrother Sullivan� to recommend to Planning Commission that the City provide comprehensive recreation planning services and tnat Yunds be used to estaolish diverse recreation options Yor people oF all ages and that a xouth Program Conmittee be developed naving a temporary board of directors consisting oi' sie regular members and two ex-oY'ficio members. Regular members shall be appointed by the Yoiloxing groups: one by tne r'ridley City Council, one by tha Fridley Planuing Co�moission, one by the N'ridley Human B.esources Comunission, one by the Parks and Hecreation Commission� and txo by the Fridley Youth Project Committee. One ex-ox'Yicio member shall be appointed by the A'ridley City Council and one oy the r'ridley Police Department. lir. Langeni'eld said they haa discussed this at great length, and he agreed Trith Mr. rioardnan that perhaps a space may not be quiLe as important as to get the proper planning and so Yorth to get the projecL oYY the ground. He stated it was nis i'eeling that once ihis particular motion xas implemented the answer Yor the center vould take place by establishing all the committees, boards, etc., then they could make the final determination as to irhat they feel is necessary. He added that they had not made an official motion on the use of the City Hall as they felt not enough information was available. Mrs. Eiabel said that the Board of Appeals had also made a motion stating they were in favor of the concept of the Youth Center, but their motion said a "temporary facility° in the City Ha21 as they felt the space there �eight prove to be not adequate, She stated the point xas they could talk this thing to death� and the kids had been sent around and around long enough, and it was nw time to take some forward direction so they conld move on it. Mr, Boardman said it was Staff�s recomnendation that there be a three-year or possible five-yesr expansion program xithin the City Hall area. He atated that the first anticipated space for development would be the library area� and the last space that xould be designated (possibly the third year down the line) xould by the Parks and Recreation area. There£ore, he said, if the teen center does go into City Hall� Staff would reco�end it go into the Parks and Recreation area on a temporary basis (one to three years). Mr. Boardman stated he had been involned rrith this project since its beginning, and he had a real hang-up that all the Cormni.ssions agreed a teen center is needed. He said that as he discussed xith the l�hvironaeatal Commission, he questioned if a center is what is really needed or if some kind of recreational activity program for youth is the thing that would be the most beneficisl. He atated he had just heard that St. Louis Park has an operation going on in xhich they ogen the junior high school three da4ys a week for teenage youth activities such as dances, use of siri.iruaing pool faeilitiss, use of tennis courts, basket- Planning Com¢nission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 18 �� ball facilities� games, etc. He stated the question that came to his mind was if the center xas really needed or not, and he hadn�t seen ar�}*thing that said a teen location is needed. He continued that he had the Yeeling if it xas developed and if it failed, it xould be detrioiental to the youth developnent Within the co�unity. Mr. Boardman said he xould like to see several things happen as far as if the city is going to be coimaitted to youth; it should be committec3 in the organ3zation of youth and the recreational activities of youth. He thought if this was to get going there would hane to be more there that said they were going to coordinate this whole progrem� and maybe what they need is not a center but the Whole gamut of recreational flu►etion like they have in St. Louis Park. Hrs. Gabel said she xould have to disagree srith that� and she didn't think the youth vould have spent so much time going around in circles if they didn't feel that xas what they needed. She stated that their feelings didn't necessarily reflect the youth�s, azzd suggested they listen to the youths to a degree and give them a chance to set their guidelines. Mr. Boardman said he thought the program was fine to be started but it should be carried on� aud said there had to be something fron the city to support this action. He continued that if it rras Pelt a teen center should be started and space was allocated i.n City Hall� there should be more backing it up and more interest in it than just givitig them a space. Mr. Langenfeld said he got the impression that what they were real�y after was monentum. He stated it was true the youths had been going to Connni.ssion after Co�mnission for some time, but if they were given a temporary area there might be a big sigh of relie£ and the xhole momentum might fizzle out. Hovever, he added, he did think it should be given a chance so they could find out. Mr. Bergman stated he did not agree xith Mr. Hoardman's comments, and felt xhat they were talking about uas a matter of priorities as far as space vas concerned and whs� Parks and Recrestion should be doing. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea� that the PZanning Coimrui.ssion concar with the motion £rom the Co�mmuiity Development meeting of June 8, 1976, and recormnend to City Council the creation of a teen center in Fridley to be operated as follows: This youth center should have a temporary board of directors consist3ng of sia regular members and txo ex-o£ficio members. Regular members shall be appointed by the foZloxing gronps: one by the Fridley City Council� ane by the FYidley Planni.ng Coimnission, one by the Fridley Human $esources Co�i.ssion, and tiro by the FY�idley Youth Project Corurtittee. One es-officio member shall be appointed by the Fridley City Gouncil and one by the Fridley Police Department, The temporary board of directors should serve for not more than thirty d�ys during which time they will xrite the charter, establish the interim rules for the youth center and facilitate the elect3on for regular members to the permanent bosr@. The appointed ex-officio members xill also serve on the permanent board. Administratively, the youth center will be under the suspices of the Parks and Recreation Department who will assign staPf to supervise and carry out the guidelines established by the board o£ directors. Planning Conunission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 19 4 R Flirther, that the City guarantee the use of the library within 30 dqys after acceptance of the charter as a teen center. Also, that a time limit of one month be set for each Commission to appoint a person to the temporary board of directors. If a commission does not make their appointment within the one-month period, then the YPC has the right to appoint a person to fill that position on the temporary board of directors. Flirther, that the temporary board of directors consist of an ez-officio Parks and Recreation Coimhission member or their designate. Mr, Peterson said if he xere on the City Council he would ask several questions that have not been answered yet� as far as he sras concerned� such as hox many people vould be involved� xe�e there any duplicate services within the community, etc. He stated that in Parks and Recreation they had asked that the Y be contacted� Cormminity Schools� and if it xas going to be a duplication of sex�rices that already exist or if they rrere talking a6�ut thirty people out of a pop- ulation of several thousand. He stated he did not think the City Council was going to take action based on the information available� and he would be a little unhappy ii they did. Mrs. Shea said that as far as the Y goes that uas still five years ax�y, and wonld be strictly iamily membership and not individual membership. She added if a Yamily couldn't pay about $200 to belong� a member of that family could not go there. Mr. Peterson said that xasn't true because he happened to be on the Board of Directors for Northwest Y in St. Paul xhich was a family Y� aad there xere many teenagers tlaat participated. Mrs. Shea stated that they had a one-night a xeek prograzn in that Y� and Mr. Peterson said he didn't think that xas true, He added that he didn't lmox xhat the timetable xas Por the Northeast Y� but maybe there srere other services that xere duplicated. Mr, Storla said that if a youth vanted to go somexhere tonight, for example, the only place xould be the Family F1�n Center which was a pinball hall, and there was the question of value oP the atmosphere there. He added that they had not come up with any other activities �rhere a yonth could go right nox� and haven't seen aqy duplications, Chairperson Harris said they had been talking around in circles, and srhat it boiled down to was space allocation� and that was the hang-up with Staff and Parks and Recreation. He said he honestly didtt't lmo�r in his mind if putting it in City Hall xas going to work, but he felt there should be one. Mr. Boardman said he didn�t think that xas the main hang-up� and sai.d he felt they conld go xith temporary space in the City Hall xith no problem. He stated he felt they should be thinking of a more permanent type situation, and about the programs Por youth and i£ that space is oriented to the programs they want. Mr. Harris said that then the next step in his mind was to get the thing off the ground� have them put together a board of directors, and at that time determine vhere the space should be. UPON A 110ICE VOTE� HarrSs� Bergman, Langenfeld� Shea and Gabe1 voting �ye� Peterson voting nt�v� the motion carried 5- 1. Mrs, Gabel said that a number of youths had told her abont the ridiculons rules and regulations that xere imposed i.n the downstairs Parks and Recreation area xhere there vrere some facilities for them to nse. She stated she xas told that when the youth�s ten minutes were up� some person gets crabby and Planning Couwission Heetittg - June 23, 1976 Page 20 4_S and tella them their time is up and not to come back for the rest of the day. Mr. Bergiaan said it was a five-minute limit, and vould like to ask how nany games of ping-pong a youth could play in five mi.nutes. Mr. Hoardman explained that the Parks and Recreation offices xere right off the outside pl�y area� and it vas disturbing to those offices� and that rras the reason the time limits xere imposed. He added that he rras npset about the ti.me li.mits� too� but they were the rules that Paul Brotm set on those things because of the type of admin- istrative actinity going on, Chairperaon Harris asked Mr. Storla iP he had talked to District ].1�, and I�Ir, Storla explai.aed that they couldn�t be in schools during school hours, and after school hours theq xould be dealing with Community Schools. Mr. Harris said he wondered if the Board of Directors couldn't be appointed and the xhole thing organiz �.� ana at that time some discus�ion could be held xith District 1l�. He said it seemed to him ihai the school districts had to be involved in it somehov. Mr. Boardman said that to lus understanding, that was the direction it xonld have to go to be any kind of snccessflil operation� as a teen center vould not provide the type of activites that teens wanted, ie: dances, h�*rides, etc. Mr. iiarris stated that it seemed to him that these people had carried the ball about as Yar as they could and hav+e come to the city to help them. BY t;HJ Split Lot 2, Auci�.tor�s Junalvlsion ro, yr1, 1nLO cnree �uilau+K sii.o�. (Zoned R-2� �rill be developed as tc-1), l;enerallq located at Hillxind Road and I.-694. Mr. John Logan� representing tinJ Constraction Compa�y xas present. He passed ont to the Co�uaission updated copies of the application for the lot split as the original ones lacked the name and address of the property ovner. He also distributed copies of a lat�er from l�r. Kark Z. dones, the property ozrner� granting permission for the lot split. He informed the Co�maission that Mr. Jones Was selling GHJ the land contract subject to the lot split, and introduced Mr, and Mrs. Del Johnson, prospective o�rners. He explai.ned they wanted to buy the second lot for a future home site. Mr. Logan said he checked tirith the City Eagineering Departmeat to get the vater and sesrer locations so the connections Would be available to each of the three lots. Chairperson Harris esked if he intended on building single-family houses� and Mr. Logan replied he did. Hr. Harris asked if the lots had been checked for size, and Mr. Boardman answered they vere all large eaough for sittgle-family nnder the code and sexer and �+ater xas available to a11 three lots. He added that the City StaPf had no problem xith the application. Mrs. Shea questioned if he xas going to have to use quite a bit of fill� and Mr. Logan replied the first two lots �rould need 13ttle or no fill but the third lot m� require some. He added that the building site itself wuld be on solid ground. Chairperson Harris asked if there was a ten foot easement on the side of one of the lots� and Mr. Boardman said that was vhere the seaer and Water lines Were. Mrs"t3oardman explained that these lots would face on Hillwina Hoad, and on the other side xas more H-1 property. Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 21 4 'T Chairperson Harris asked about the poxer and gas, and Hr. Logan said he vas not sure how far the gas went� but there was gas to the last house on Sheridan Acrea. He stated he had talked to bhe gas company and they said there xould be no problem. He added that he hadn't talked xith the poxer coapany but there �rere overhead xires avai.lable, and he said tHey xere applying for underground service. lir. Harris asked if an easament xould be needed for that, and Mr, Boardman said that at this time he would anticipate there aould be enough room in the boulevard area for gas and the poxer company both� but he vould check it out before this xent to Council, HOTION by Bergman� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend to City Council approval of the Lot Split Request� L.S. #76-05� by GHJ Construction Company (John Logan); Split I.ot 2� Auditor's Subdivision No. 94, into three building sites. (Zoned R-2� xill be developed as R-1). Generally located at Hillwind Road and I.69�t., subject to necessary utility easements. Upon a voice vote� a11 voti.ng aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 11:00 and reconvened the meeting at 11:20 P.M. R.E-EVALUATION OF STREET I,AYOUT NEAH NORTH PARK: (P�TITION 8-1976). Mr, Hargman stated that Co'maiunity Development had looked at this and spent considerable time on it, getting into a lot of detail, and had Tom Colbert point ont the engineering aspects. He said they had gotten involved in state aid funding, xhich would be lost if some of these vacations xere granted, and got involved in the reco�endation of the cul-de-sac and agreed they zrere undesirable and particulary so when they cut off an access to industrial-type property. He sai.d they also agreed that as far as preserving the oak tree, it xas in the right-of-way bnt there was no plan for street improvement and therefore not pertinent that ar�y change be made at this time. He continued that if and when street improvement ever vould go in� the approval of this request xould landlock some property xithout street access. In essence, he stated, they saw no reason for the City to yield back gained rights-of-x�y at the risk oP not getting them back or having to buy back property vhen it mi�ht be necessary-because of someone�s concern that something at some time might happen. Hr. Lengenfeld referred the Planning Comnission to the minutes of the May 1$� 1976, meeti.ng o£ the E�vironmental Quality Co�ission� and the motion they made on page 12 of those minutes. Chairperson Harris said it appeared from that motion that they concurred with Co�unity Developonent. Mr. Langenfeld agreed, and said they had a good discussion on this and Mr. Boardman had done a good job explaining some of this. He said he had indicated that he thought Mrs. Sporre might be creating more problems than they would be solving. Chairperson Harris asked �rhat they were really trying to get at� and Mr. Board- man said they were concerned rrith several things: 1. They are concerned abod the traffic from the industrial traffic doxn Ironton on to East ktiver Road. The people who live along there have small children, and think the traf£ic would be detriraental to the neighborhood. Planning Coimnission Meeting - June 23� 1976 page 22 4 U 2, Another one oY their concerns rras the vacation of streets� and were vorried that if it shows oa a �aap that there is a street easement then developers vould anticipate that to be in. 3, Another concern xas that the map sho�rs behind the residential property a right-of-xay at 83=d between East River Rosd and the railroad tracks. That right oY way is not in. 83rd has been designated as a state-sid road� and Staff has agreed to change this map. k. They rrere alsa concerned about 83� � North Park side. That is a dedicated right-of-Waq there. They want to vacate that portion of Ashton� eliminate the railroad crossing, and vacate all of 83�• Mr, tioardman stated that City Staff ielt that al�hough there would probably never be a railroad crossing at that location, Ashton to 83n1 vould have to be maintained in order to service the properties on Ironton if lot splits occur. He said there xas one lot split in there already� and although the people in the area say they<.are going to keep those properties snd never request it� iY they did sell there xould be the possibility that the new ormers might request it. Therefore� he stated� they did not feel the vacation o£ Ashton rras a good idea. Mr. Boardmen continued that as far as on the East side of the railroad tracks xas concerned, he didn�t feel that vacating the right of waty at this time uould be a good idea either� and said he didn't see any purpose in it. He said that if the area develops� it most likely xouldn't develop along 83rd, and thought it would just be an exercise i.n futility. He stated that there was a utility on 81st, and utility easements would have to be maintained. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there wasn�t an implied notation in this for preservation of North Park, and Mr. Boardman replied that to a certain extent there was. He said he didn't think North Park xanted an industrial road on its south boundary. He added that he felt it xas a mistake in the Pirst place to run the sexer lines where they ran them� because if any kind of developnent goes in there the line could be detrimental to the road. Mr, Boardman said that as to the question of the oak tree, it rras located on Ironton just &ast o£ the interesection of Ironton and Hugo Street. He stated that the curb that xas presently on Ironton runs to Hugo Street, is blacktop for a Zittle x�ys and then is dirt road to Ashton and down to Ely, and the oak tree did stick xithin the curb line. 14r. Harris asked what type of oak tree it xas, and Mrs. Shea answered a xhite oak. Mr. Lengenfeld said he xould like to bring up txo points. First� he said� the Environmental Quality Coaunissioa felt that the petftion xas trying to stop something that wasn't even planned yet; and secondly� the Fhvironmental Commission made a motion that any develo�unent that took place in this area be referred to the 5hvironmental Quality Cownission in the beginning stages. He stated he xould also like to bring up that he would like this Co�nission to be referred to as the Fridley Snvironmental Quality Cononission because sometimes there s+as reference to the State Commission and there was conl�sion. HOTION by Bergman, seconded by LangenFeld, that the Planning Commission concur frith the motion made by the Community Developnent Couunission and recommend to the City Conncil that there be no change to present street patterns as requested by petition 8-1976 at the present time, and that signs be placed at Ironton 5treet to prohibit industrial truck traf£ic on Ironton Street. The following considerations apply: Plsnning Co�uission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Paga 2s 4 V 1. Some oY the involned property is not yet developed and may require street service. 2, industrial activity may result from additional denelopment adding access pressure. 3. Until flirther and more final denelo�rtent plans are presented, the possibility of the right-oi-weiy and railroad crossing on 83� should not be dropped. 4. Every consideratioa should be taken to preserve the tree if road develop�ent occurs. Chairperson asked hox truck traffic would get ont if not dorm Ironton. Mr. &�ardman ansxered that Ashton Street was designated as a State-Aid road� and the xhole idea behind 83rd as an industrial road was to tie in xith the �oon Kapids Development. Hoxever, he continued, Coon Rapids has tentatively come up xith an internal road system in that area; and therefore if tl3rd xould go in it xould be a residential road xithin the city. He said that truck traffic out oY that industrial area should be routed doun Ashton to 79th and out at 79th. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voti.ng qye, the motion carried unanimously. ci- STBEET WIDTH S'PANDARAS Mr, Boardman stated that the memo from '1'om Colbert dated May 28, 1976 on this subject xas selY-e�cplanatory. kie said there are set street r�idth standards as Yollows: Heavy industrial Park Kunicipal State Aid Street Arterial & Collector Resi- dential 50 feet 44 ieet 3o reet Hoxever, he said, there are examples oi otner size streets. He continued that some oY them are based on environmental reasons, some on certain conditions in the area, or other things. Mr. Boardman said that the City Council has the suthority trhen a plat Was being done to determine the road size. Another tning that determines it� he said� was the amount oi' parking that would De naeded in tne area; or if no ofY-street parking vas going to be allorred that vould also have some determination on the rosd xidth. He stated there rrere variables that could be looked into. Mr. LangenYeld ref'erred the Cwmnission to page 6 0£ the minutes of the Planning Coo�ission meeting oP June 9, 1976, and said Mr. Hergman's statement in the 6th paragraph very clearly e�cpressed his feeling at this time. He asked i£ they were supposed to make a poliey statement or just agree with what they had read. Mr. Bergman said that he and Chairperson Harris had discussed this and agreed that a policy statement shonld be presented from this Co�nission to identify and reinforce the propriety of standards. He suggested the folloring in addition to rihat Mr. Colbert had deYined: Planning Coimnission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Pa�e 2!� 4 W Heavy Industrial Park Municipal State Aid Street Arterial & Collector Residential S e.lected or Problem Areas 50� curb to curb - 66� right-oY-way !ila� curb to curb - 60� right-of-xay 36 ' curb to curb (provi.ding parking on both sides) - 50' right-of-rraY 31� curb to curb (parking on one side) - 45� right-of-va�y Mr. Lartgenfeld asked if the last one was more in line with something like Inns- brnek� and Mr. Boardman said it xould be. He said that due to the development of the terrain� it might be such that those structures could not be shifted and still preaerve the character of the developPnent. He stated i.n that case a se�aller street rridth xould be appropriate, and added that another thing to consider vas if the road xas concrete. Chairperson Harris said he thought some mention should be made of that. He stated it seemed to hi.m that under certain circumstances it Frould be to the city's advantage to have the concrete streets. He continued that in those cases Where there was a narrow street and parking xas restricted� or if there xas a problem area for one reason or another� he thonght they should seriously think alwut going to concrete streets. He added that they may cost more to begin with� but 3n the long run the streets last longer� maintenance is much less� plus there is a better driving surface. Mr. Bergman said they had gotten down to a 31� cur6 to curh xidth xhich provides for parking on ane side and asked if there should be consideration for a narrower street than that within a standard. Chairperson Harris replied that he felt under certain circumstances there conld be� but there rrould have to be a couple of crfteria met. First of all, he said, there could be no on-streei parking; and secondly� he thought they shwld be concrete streets. Mr. Boardman said he felt a narror street like that should not be in a residential area becau�e of parking, and Hr. Harris said the groblem xas that they had already done it. He cited Innsbruck as an example� vhere even the private roads were set up with a 21t' drieitsg surface. Hr. Boardman s�13,d that if they did go to a reaidential area �rith a 21�� street xith no on-street parking, it should be si�i.lar io what they did in Minneapolis xith their parkway system. He continued that in a residential area pull-offs should be provided to allox £or some off- street parking. Mrs. Gabel asked about snox plo�ing, and Mr. Boardnan said he didn't think there was much of a problem. Mr. Bergman stated he was trying to thi.nk of a case Where that would be done, if not in residential. Certai.nly it wouldn't be in industrial� he said. Mr. Boardman said the only place he could think of rwld be perhaps a service road i.nto a park area. He said another thing it wonld do is narrow the road enough so it srouldn�t be used as a dragstrip, and added that if oa•etreet parld.ng xasn�t needed there Was no sense in going xith a vider road. Mra. Gabel said she felt it xas time some firm policy xas set up and that it not be so negotiable. Mr. Langenfeld said he xas very coneerned and thought the city should stick to its guns as Yar as the standard *aas concerned. Planning Coamission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 25 � X KOTION by Ber�nan, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commisaion announce to the City Council and to the City Administration their concern for standardization of street widths� and reco�end to Council the adoption of street iridth policy as follows: Heavy Industrial Park Mnnicipal State Aid Street Arterial & Collector Residential Selected or Problem 6reas Service Drives 50' curb to curb - 66� right-o£-way Iyli� curb to curb - 60' right-of-way 36' cnrb to cnrb (providing parking on both sides) - 50' right-of-way 31' curb to curb (parking on one side) - 1�$' right-of-Way 2l�� curb to curb (no parking) - 1t0' right-of-x�v It is the intention of the Planning Conusission that these standards be adhered to in any considerations and reco�mnendations involvi.ng street widths. Mrs. Gabel asked what criteria would be used to determine selected or problem areas� and Mr. Peterson suggested it xould be well to strike the selected or problem areas from the motion. He suggested handling anything that xas a unique situation as it came up, and thought they should come before the various Commissions and be debated on the merits of that particular street, Mr. Boardman said if this xas established as policy, they could then request a variance from this and go through that procednre. Mr. Bergman agreed that the label "selected or problem areas" was a bad choice� and suggested the term "liroited parking". Mr. Harris suggested saying 31� and 2kt' streets xiih variance, but Mr. Bergman sai.d he was thinking that in some cases a 31' vith parking on one side would be the proper street width, and it rrouldn�t make sense that there xould have to b� a variance for that. Mr. Peterson said that in all the areas in Fi�idley that had a 31' street with parking on one side, he was not sure he lrnex of ar�y area where it really £it in. Therefore, he continued, the 31� and 24' streets should require a variance because it should be a special use for a speciYic purpose. Mr. Harris said then if one- side parking xas desired, it could be stipulated at the time oY the variance process. Mr. Bergmsn AMENDED the MOTlON to delete the Selected or Problem Areas and Service Drives� and add the folloxing: In special situations 31� curb to curb (1t5� right oF way) or 211' curb to curb (ly0' right-of-way)� requiring a variance request. Seconded by Langenfeld. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting z�ye� the motion carried unanimously. ,. CONTINUID: RECOI�ZDATIONS ON HUMAN DEVEIAPMEIZT (}OAIS AND OBJECTIVFS MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission table this subject until the next scheduled meeting. Planni.ng Comnission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 2(i � Y ADJOURNMENT I�TION by Gabel� seconded by Bergman� that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote� all voting �ye� Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Commission meeting of June 23, 1976 adjourned at 12:17 A.M. by unanimous vote. Respect.ftilly submitted� �D/nnu fl%� l mo� Sherri 0'Donnell Secretary r �' CITY QI� FRIDLEY --�'~ A 6 E N DA (AMENDED) PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 23, 1976 7:30 P.M. CALL TO ORDER: ROIL CALL: APPROYE PLANNING C6MMISSION MINUTES: MAY 19, 1976 APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 9, 1976 RECEIVE'ENYIRONMENTAL QUALITY COF�IISSION MINUTES: MAY 18, 1976 RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 25, 1976 RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COhA1155I0N MINUTES: MAY 24, 1976 RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COhMISSTON MINUTES: JUNE 3, 1976 RECEIYE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONPIISSION MINUTES: JUNE 8, 1476 RECEIYE APPEALS COMMISSION MINU7ES: JUNE 15, 1976 1. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SP #76-07, SY NANCY MELBIE: o ai'iow a ch ld care center for ten c il ren, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3, F, in an R-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas), to be located on Lot 12, Block 3, MeadoHrtnoor Terrace Addition, the same being 1346 Meadowmoor Drive N.E. 2. 3. PIfBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLA7, P.S. # 76-05, INNSBRUCK NORTH REPLAT THIRD DDITION, BY DARREL . FARR DEUEL9PMENT CORP RATION: Being a replat of Lots 1 to 4 inclusive, B ocks 21 through 26, and also part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages, ge�erally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. NG: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE rv-�o� o� rni��ir i�. w14t�Uf1: 10 permit ifle conversion of a one family, two story house to a two family house in an R-i Qistrict (single family dwelling areas}, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3, D, to be located on Lot 2, Block 1, Froid's Addition, the same being A01 Ironton S�reet N.E. PAGES 6/9/76 Agenda 1-7 6/9/76 Agenda 6/9/76 Agenda 6/9/76 Agenda 8 - 74 15 - 18' 79 - 25 6{9/76 Agenda 6/9/76 Agenda 26 - 29 4. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #76-09 30 - 34 BY STAV'S SUPERETTE: Per Fr�dley City Code, Sectian 205.101, 3, N, to allow an outside display area fo a hydroponic growing system, to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Block 3, Ree's Addition, the same being 6483 University Avenue N.E. _�..�%a�� ♦ � AMENDED J A6ENDA PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 23, 1976 Page 2 7:30 P.M. 5. REQUEST FOR A VACATION SAV �76-03, BY R06ERT 35 - 36 SCHROER: Vacate the street easement on the Southerly 33 feet of the Easterly 200 feet of Lot 4, Block 2, East Ranch Estates Second Addition 6. LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. #76-05, BY GHJ CONSTRUCTI01 COMPANY JOHN LOGAN : Split Lot 2, Auditor's Sub- division No. 94, into three building sites. (Zoned R-2, will be developed as R-1). Generally located at Hillwind Road and I.694. 7. RE-EVALUATION OF STREET LAYOUT NEAR NORTH PARK: (PETITION 8-1976). 8. STREET WIOTH STANDARDS 9. CONTINUED: RECOMMENDATIONS ON HUMAPd DEVELOPMENT 37 - 39 6/9/ AGENDA 6/9/ AGENDA 40 - 41 � — - �^� MEMO T0: PLANNING COMMISSION MEMO FROM: Dorothy Evenson, Planning Department Secretary MEMO DATE: June 21, 1976 RE; AMENDED AGENDA FOR JUNE 23, 1976 Planning Comnission Meeting I am sending you an amended agenda for the Planning Comnission meeting, June 23, 1976. The item that has been added is a request for a lot split. If you will note that on the original agenda, there were three p�ges missing, because I had left room for this item. The petitioner was supposed to come to City Hall in time to put this item in the Agenda originally. He did have a legitimate excuse for being late, and as you know, the Agenda has to be ready for delivery by 3:00 now so it can be had delivered by a member of the City staff. Because the next Planning Comnission meeting isn't until July 14th, it would be quite a delay for the petitioner if he had to wait until that meeting. Please add this to your agenda book of June 23, 1976. Thank you. \ �" AMENDED AGENDA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 23, 1976 7:30 P.M. Page 2 8. REQUEST FOR A VACATION, SAV #76-03, BY ROBERT 35 -_36 SCHROER: Vacate the street easement on the Southerly 33 feet of the Easterly 200 feet of Lot 4, Block 2, East Ranch Estates Second Addition 6. LOT SPLIT RE UEST, L.S. #76-05, BY GHJ CONSTRUCTION 37 - 39 COMP NY JOHN LOGAN : Split Lot 2, Auditor`s Sub- 'division No. 94, into three building sites. (Zoned R-2, will be developed as R-1). Generally located at Hillwind Road and I.694. 7. RE-EVALUATION OF STREET LAYOUT NEAR NORTH PARK: 6/9/ AGENDA (PETITDON 8-1976). S. STRfET WIDTH STANDARDS 6/9/ AGENDA 9. CONTINUED: RECOMMENDATIONS ON HUMAN DEVELOPMENT 40 - 41 AGENDA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 23, 1976 PAGE 2 7:30 P.M. PA6ES 5. REQUEST "rOR A VACATION SAV #76-03 BY ROBERT 35 - 36 SCHROER: Vacate the street easement on the Southerly 33 feet of the Easterly 200 feet of Lot 4, Block 2, East Ranch Estates Second Addition 6, RE-EVALUATION OF STREET LAYOUT NEAR NORTH PARK 6/9/76 AGENDA • PETITION 8-1976 7: STREET WIDTH STANDARDS �: 6/9/76 AGENDA 40 - 41 ' �� ' ?��, _ ___ _ G �-�/7 � %? 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