PL 07/14/1976 - 6588�
CITY OF FRIDLEY
AGENDA
PLANNING COMMISSION MEE7ING JULY 14, 1976
CALC TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 23, 1976
RECEIVE MINU7E� OF THF SPECIAL f1EETING OF THE PARKS
, RECEI
UALITY COMMISSION MII
7:30 P.M.
PAGES
1 - 26
27 - 33
, 34 - 45
RECEIYE PARKS & RECREATION GOMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 28, 1976 46 - 60
RECEIVE APPEALS COMNII55ION MINUTES: JUNE 29, 1976 61 --71
1. TABLED: PUBLIC_HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY 72 - 77
•-..�e .... , ..- � .,,,,,,v�.wn �.vnu� (�L:1"Lfll �ninv nvuiit�n�
'! BY DARREL A. FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIQN: Being a replat
� of Lots 1 to 4 inclusive, Blocks 21 through 26, and also
part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third
Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages, generally
located on the 1Jest side of East Bavarian Pass and South
of Meister Road N.E.
Public Hearing open.
2. PUBLIC FtEARIN6: REQUEST FQR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP # 78 - 81
76-10, BY YOUVA KLUCSAR: Per Fridley City Code, Section
205.052, 2, A, to all�w the construction of a second
accessory building, a detached double garage for storage
of two Model "A" automobiles, on Lot 20, Block 4, Moore
Lake Nills Addition, the same being 1337 Hillcrest Drive
N,E.
3. VACATION REQUEST, SAV #76-04, BY KAREN MESROBIAN: To vacate82 - 85
the unimproved a17ey in Block 11, Spring f3rook Park Addition,
lying between Liberty Street and Ely Street N.E.
4. CQNTINUED_'_RECOMMENDATIONS ON HUMAN DEUELOPMENT GOALS ANQ 86 - 87
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
CALL 'TO ORDER:
CITY OF t'RIDLEY
JUNE ?3, 1976
Chairperson H�rris called the meeting to order at 7:35 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
PAG� 1
Members Present: Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Peterson� Shea, Gabel (attending
for Wahlberg)
Members Absent:
Others Present:
None
Jerrold Boardman� City °lanner
APPROYE PLANNING COMMIS5ION MINUTES: MAY 19, 1976
Mr. Peterson asked if when the Vice Chairnerson was in attendance the regular
Chairperson was sho wi as absent, or i£ that was only i£ there was no one £rom
a particular Commission present. Chairperson Harris said he believed it was
listed as the person in atteadance. Mr. Peterson said that at the May 19th
meeting, Mrs. 4iahlberg shouldn't be counted as absent since Mrs. Gabel was there
representing her� and Mr. Harris said that in the future it should be noted that
the Vice Chairperson was sitting in Sor the regular Chairperson at these meetings.
MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission minutes
of May 19� 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously.
APPROVE PLAtaNING COMMISSION MINUTFS: JUNE 9, 1976
Mr. Langenfeld referred to the discussion on Qage 1 under "Approve Planning
Commission Minutes: May 19� 1976", and asked Atr. Boardman to explain what he
meant. Mr. Boardman said that they had been debating if 'they could take action
without a quorum by sending action on to the Council, and they had decided they
could not send on any action to the Council withont opening a public hearing
and they could not do that since they did not have a quorum.
Mr. Bergman requested that on page 5� second paragraph under "Sireet Width
Stendards"� the sentence °Mr. Bergman said that is what was backed down to when
a better situation wasn't avilable� and" be stricken and a nea sentence started
beginning with °Mr. Boardman said...". He also noted that on page 5, the last
sentence in the second to last paragraph� he had been talking about street humps.
He said that since this xasn�t germane he r+ould request that this sentence be
stricken,
Mrs. �abei said that on page �, third paragraph, she xould like the sentence to
read "towards a building to store hockey and sof'tball equipment�' instead of "towards
the building of a shed to store hockey and softball equipment".
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MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Gabel� that the Planning Commission minutes
of June 9� 1976 be approved as corrected, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye�
the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Peterson asked Mrs. Gabel, with reference to her statement on page 7, if she �
had read the whole discussion pertaining to that building. Mrs. Gabel replie@
she had and said she was curious about this and asked if there was additional
information. Mr. Peterson explained that the sports associations were asking
to build a bui2ding free, on a lease basis, and were asking to put it on city
property. He said that they had wanted to put it behind the arena but there
wasn't room there, so someone suggested puthng it at Commons. However, he
continued, the Council requzres brick facing at Commons so some of the members
of the Parks and Recreation Commission said if they were going to Commons they
would have to conform with the building standards which would require brick
facing, He said that the sports associations would be doing all the work and
furnishing of the money for the building with the exception of the brick facing�
and this is what the $900 was to pay for. Mrs, Uabei said she understood that
and suggested this could be discussed a little later when the Parks and Recreation
minutes were received,
RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMNISSION MINU'PES: MAY Z8, 1976
Chairperson Harris asked Mr, Langenfeld if he wanted the Planning Commission to
take action on the motion by Mrs. Sporre concerning the Teen Center, and Mr.
Langenfeld said he just wanted to bring this to the attention of the Planning
Commission. Mr. Boardman suggested ihat this be added to the agenda as an
additional item. �
MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Teen Center be added to the agenda
of the Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Uabel� that the Planning Commission receive
the minutes oY the F1�vironmental Quality Commission meeting of May 18� 1976. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUPFS: MAX 25, 1976
Chairperson Harris said he noted on page 38 that the Appeals Commission also
made a recomnendation on the Youth Center.
MOTION by Gabel� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission receive
the minutes of the Appeals Commission meeting of May 25� 19?6. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE PARKS & RECREA'1'SON COMMISSION MTNUTFS: MAY 24 1976
Mrs. Gabei rei'erred to the second paragraph from the bottom on page 1� of the
Parks and Hecreation minutes� and said that this xas the reason for her comment
at the last Planning Commission meeting, She said she was wondering in terms oY �
Parks and Hecreation i2' priorities didn't neetl to be reassessed, and added that
she got trie Yeeling it was sports oriented and could f'ind the money 2'or things
that were sports oriented� but that other things.sometimes got pushed aside. Mrs.
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Gabel comenented that at the sarne time she was pleased to see that they were setting
� up a committee to look at this very thing� so perhaps her cammettts were a little
premature. She added that some youths have other interests besides sports that
they xere not addressing themselves to:
Mr. Peterson stated that was difficult to comment on as no other specific programs
had been mentioned, Mrs. Gabel said she xas referring to the problem of getting
the Youth Center going� and kept hearing the comment that Parks and Becreation
doesn't have the money in their budget to help them out. Mr. Peterson stated
that he didn't think this was what Parks and Recreation said, He said he thought
they said that a Youth Teen Center didn�t £all under Parks and Recreation� and
they didn't see where that would fit into the concept of Parks and Recreation
within the city. He ad�ed that based on the proFessional staff report that Nas
given to them concerning space requirements! and all things taken into consideration,
it was the position of the Parks and Recreation Commission that they didn�t feel
it would fit in with their concept. Mrs. Gabel said that she thought that recrea-
tion should encompass something more than sports� and that perhaps it was time
to take a look at the program. She stated that this was the reason for her comment,
Chairperson Harris re£erred to the Comparison of Recreational Activities informa-
tion that had been distributed at a previous meeting� and Mr. Peterson said this
had been prepared by Staff. He stated that the Parks and Recreation Commission
al.so had questions concerning what was there� so they shouldn't be held responsible
for Nhat was on the sheet. Chairperson Harris said he just wanted to get Mr.
Petersott's input on some of the areas, and asked iS he noticed that it seemed a
lot o£ money was spent on supervisors, officials, and that sorL of thing and not
� very much on the actual participants. Atr. Peterson said that would probably be
� true, because most ot' the sports in the city were run by volunteer organizations.
He stated that if the city were to fund them� they wouldn't have very many programs,
so it xas done on a cooperative basis, Mr. Peterson said that in Babe Ruth base-
ball, for example, the city pays half of the �npire's costs and Babe Ruth p�}rs
the other half� furnishes the uniforms� and has volunteer r�anagers. He said the
city furnishes the maintenance. Chairperson Harris commented he hadn�t understood
that as the sheet hadn't reflected that in£ormation.
Chairperson Harris said there were a couple other aress that were not organized
sports that he xas wonderiag about� and in particular general skating. He asked
, what 32 W.H. meant� and Mr, Peierson said that was 32 warming house supervisors.
Mr. Harris commented that maintenance ran almost �10,000 and hfr. Peterson said
they were questioning the accuracy of these figures because it seemed that in the
wintertime all the maintenance people uere charged against either general skating
or hockey� and they felt this was ridiculous. T1r, Peterson explained it was very
much like all of the Parks and Recreation programs; they are charged against the
budget as a charge� and when a fee is receive3 From the participant in various
activities� this money is then creditied to general revenue rather than back
against Parks and Recreation, He further explained that if the maintenance people
did street plowing or other things for the Street Department� which they do every
winter� it was still charged against general skating or hockey. He said there
xould be an offset from the Street budget, but it would be credited back into
general revenue. '
� Mr. Harris said he understood this a little better, and it sounded to him like
the accounting should be re£urbished a bit. He stated there Nere two other areas
that concerned him; Playgrounds and Lifeguards. He said a considerable amount
was spent in both those areas and they are both summertime activities, and asked
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if the same thing had happened in those areas as did with hockey and general
skating. Mr. Peterson answered nof not completely� because the maintenance
people do get some of their time charged into actual park maintenance such as ��
maintaining the ball diamonds for the boys and girls, beaches, etc. He said
they had talked to the person who had compiled this information and asked about
allocations� and she told them they had talked to the supervisor who made a
calculation.
Chairperson Harris said the reason he asked was because under Supervisors
they had Director� Supervisor, Soccer� Archery� Arts & Crafts� and a total
of $15,17�, which was a considerable amount of money. He said there was also
a total of $2,227 under Equipment for Games� Crafts� T,C.F.� and non-office
supplies. Mr. Peterson said that all of the money that was generated at the
beach concessions, for example, goes back into general revenue; but the help that
runs it is charged against the Parks and Recreation operating budget, He stated
that for a true picture the offsetting o£ credits would be needed to see what
tHe costs would actually be,
Mr. Harris said he had one other question on Lifeguards� and asked if the partic-
ipant figure of 18,000 was correct. Mr, Peterson said he believed that £igure
was arrived at on a sampling basis by park usage on a certain number of days.
MOTTON by PeLerson� seconded by I.angenfeld, that the Planning Commission receive
the minutes of the Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of t�i�y 2l�, 1976 .
Upon a voice vote, all voting �ye, the motion carried unanimously.
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RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MTNUTES: JUNE 3, 1976
Chairperson Harris noted that on page 14 there was an Affirmative Action Progra�n
Analysis, and asked if this was what has been done to date. Mrs, Shea rep2ied
that this was where they stood right now. Mr, Harris asked if they had discussed
a goal in this area, and Mrs. Shea said that the city had a goal. Mr. Harris
asked where they were on this, and Mr. Boardman replied that there was no.intent
on replacing anybody that is presently an employee� but if certain people quit
then certain positions would be filled from this prograzn. He said that to date
they were about 50% there, and were sitting pretty good as far as the state
review of the Affirmative Action Program.
MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the
minutes of the Hwnan Resources Commission meeting of June 3, 1976. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE CUMMUNITY bEVElAPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 8, 19%b
Mr. Langenfeld said the Commission should bear in mind the motion on page 16
concerning the Teen Center for flirther discussion� and Chairperson Harris said
it was so noted.
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Mr. Harris asked how the Sign Committee was coming, and Mr. $ergman ssid they
had their first meeting Monday night. He said they were ].acking a member from �
the League of Women Voters� but have found that the League does not meet in the
summer. He said they were told that the representative from the League would be
independent. Mr. Bergman added that a substitute representative from the Chamber
had attended the first meeting. He commented that it was a good meeting, and
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successful to get it oi'S the ground� and told the Commission they had agreed to
meet once a month.
Chairperson Harris asked 3f the Bikeway Committee was doing anything� and Mr.
Bergman said that the Chairmart of that cormnittee should be at the next Planning
Commission meeting to bring them up to date.
MOTIQN by �ergman� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission receive
the minutes of the Community Deve2opment Commissiun meeting of June 8, 197b.
Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the moiion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE APPEAIS COI•�1ISSION MINtITES: JUnE 15, 1976
Mrs. t'rabel said she would like a correction made on page 4 of the minutes, third
paragraph from the bottom. She stated she would like the Sollo�ring sentence
added before that paragrapix "Mrs, Gabel said she did not Iike this procedure,
and that xhile the variance was in order the grocedure was not, and if it would
happen again she would very strongly object", She said this should be followed
by the sentence starting "Mr. Kemper said...." �d "and 13rs. Gabe� agreed" should
be stricken. She stated that xhen she said she agreed she meant her statement
should also go on the record,
MU'fIOt� by uabel, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive
the minutes of t,he Appeals Corrmission meeting of 3une 15� 1976. Upon a voice
vote� all voting aye, Lhe motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Boardman told the Commission that the City Council had acted on the variance
reqvest by Mrs, Sporre at their lasL meeting, and had approved it according to
what the tioard o£ Appeals said. He cotrunented that it was a bit out oP order and
the Staff xas a little upset by this also. Mr. Boardman said tne .Appeais commission
should have tabled the item since she did not have all the aecessary signatures
that night and requested that City StaYi' send out notices per procedure, Mrs.
Uabel said that xas why they put on all the stipulations. •
1. PUtiL1C HEAHiNU• HE9UEST FOR A SPEClAL USE P..ttMlTz SP #76-07, 43Y
MKLnI�: To alloH a cnild care center For ten children, per Fridley ���y
Code, Section 205.051, 3� r', � an x-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas),
to be located on Lot 12� i3lock 3� Meador�rmoor Terrace Addition, the same
being 13hb IReadoHmoor Drive N.E. _,_„
Mrs. Nancy Melbie was present, along with Terry Nagel of the Social Services
Department of the Anoka County Welfare Board.
MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Gabel, that the Planni.ng Commission open the
Public Heari.ng on the request for a Specisl Use Permit, SP �76-07, by Nancy
Melbie. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris dec2ared the
Public Hearing open at 8:25 P.M.
Mr. Boardman said that as stated, this would be a Specisl Use Permit for a
� child d�y care center, and Mrs. Melbie would be having ten children there. He
submitted ta the Cormnission a statement of approval signed by ten of Mrs. Melbie's
neighbors.
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Chairperson Harris read the follouing siatement out loud: "I, Nancy Melbie,
am making application for a Special Use Permit to the City of Fridley, for having �.
ten full-time children at my Day Care, My yard will be fenced and they wili be
kept on my own property. I need to advise you of this, and I request your
signature for permission or refusal of permission. If you refuse, please state
reason for refusal." Mr. Harris noted that all ten neighbors had given their
approval.
MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman� to receive the petition of approval. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Boardman stated that since the neighbors have been contacted and there are
no written objeciions, City Staff has no objections to the proposal. He asked
if Mrs. Melbie xas licensed zrith the state� and Ms. Nagel replied she was licensed
by the 5tate of Atinnesota to care £or five� and had been operating since November�
1975. She stated that Mrs. Melbie would like to expand to include a greater
number oY chi2dren; and although the state didn't necessarily require a neW
permit she must meet city codes ta carry on her business.
Mr, Boardman said that Fridley City Code� Section 205•a51� 3, F� would allow
a child day care center for ten children in a R-1 Zone. Mr. Langenfeld asked
if this would fall under the category of nursing homes� and Mr. Boardman said
the code did not really say day care center, but they interpreted a day care
center as that type of operation i.n xhich there is caring for more than five
persons,
Ms. Nagel said she understood the reason they needed a Special Use Permit was �
because Mrs. Meltaie planned to hire someone to help her since she would be
taking children urrier three years old. Mr. Boardman stated that as far as the
Special Use Permit was concerned, they felt this would be regulated under ihe
hospitals� nursing homes, etc., since Mrs. Melbie would be hiring autside of
her home.
Chairperson Harris asked about the traffic involved in loading and un2oading
chi2dren, and �7r. Boardman replied that ten children wouldn't provide heavy
traffic, Mr. Harris asked what the hours of operation would be, and Mrs. Melbie
said basically from 6:00 - 5:30, but they varied depending on the hours of the
parent. Mr. Harris questioned if there would be parking for long periods, and
Mrs. Melbie replied it would only be a matter of seconds. Mr. Harris then asked
if off-street parking would be provided for the assistant� end Mrs. Melbie said
that her assistant lived right next door.
Chairperson Harris asked if they didn�t require the Fire Marshall to look at
this, and Air. Boardman replied that the Welfare Department checked that. Mr.
Harris asked how large the fenced-in area was, and Mr. Boardman replied that
the lot size was 75 % 120 so there was probably a$0 X 1S back yard. Mr. Langea-
feld asked if r1rs. Melbie had the proper liability coverage from an insurance
standpoint, and she said she did.
MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission close
the Public Hearing on the request for a Specinl llse Permit, SP ii76-07, by �
Nautcy Melbie. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting ayey Chairperson Harris declared
the Public Hearing closed at 8:35 P.M.
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� MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission recomme.nd
to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #7b-07�
by Nancy Melbie, to allow a child care center for ten children, per Fridley City
Code, Section 205.051� 3, F, �� R-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas), to
be Iocated on Lot 12� Block 3� Meadowmoor Terrace Addition� the same being 13�6
Meadowmoor Drive N.E. Upon a voice vote� all voLing aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
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2. PU�LIC HEARINU: CONSIDERATiON OF A PRELIMIt�AHY PLAT, P.S
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a replat oi' Lots 1 to inclusive, Blocks 21 ihrough 2, and also part of
Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition� to allow changes
in the size of garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian
Pass and South of Meister Road N,E.
Chairperson Harris informed the Commission that Mr. 3im London had called him
beFore the meeting to let him know he would be lates and he suggested that this
public heai�ing be delayed until the arrival o£ Mr. London.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Uabel, to temporarily table the Public Hearing
on consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S, #7b-O5, �sbruck North Replat
Third Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, until Mr. London arrived.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
3. PUBLIC HEARING• REQUEST F'OR A SPECIAL USE PEitTiIT, SP #76-08, BY PHILLSP 11.
WiLLSUN: To permit the conversion of a one-fam�.ly� two-story house to a
two-family house in an R-1 District (single £amily dwelling areas), per
Frid2ey City Code, Section 205.051, 3� D, to be located on I.ot 2, Block 1�
Froid�s Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironton Street N.E.
Mrs. Phillip Willson explained she was present to represent her husband, who
Was ill and could not attend the meeting.
MOTIOSV by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission open the
£ublic Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #{7b-08, hy Phillip
M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the
Public Hearing open at 8:Lt0 P.M.
Mr, Hoardman explained that this was a two story frame home� and according to
the City Code they can't develop a two-family home within a R-1 area. He showed
the Commission a picture oY the honse, and said it was located on the North side
of Ironton Street just East of a pt'esent two-family dwelling Unit that was being
built. Mr. Boardman said that at this time the City Staf£ would have no objections
to a two-family dwelling as far as zoning purposes go; and they felt that if the
design oY the structure xas proper they could envision a two-family dwelling with
no trouble.
Mr, Bergman asked if the two-dwelling structure that was being built next door
� xould be classified as a double bungalow and fall under those requirements. Mr.
Boardman said it fell under the requirements of a two-family structure as far as
parking requirements� etc., but it still is in a R-1 area.
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Mrs. Shea asked what the square i'ootage o2 tne nouse xas� anu Mr, doardman and
Mrs. Willson answered they did not Know. Mr, tioardman said that the lot was
�j�Sbb square i'eet and that tu,UUU square 1'eet was required ibr a double bungalow.
Mrs, liabel asked how many rooms there were, and Mrs. Willson answered there were
f'our rooms upstairs that xould be made into an apartment, plus a large porcn. She
added that they wou2d be liviag in the downstairs apartment which also oonsisted
of four rooms and a porch, and there xould pe tvo stairways.
Chairperson Harris asked iF they were proposing a considerable arnount oi' remodeling�
and Mrs. Willson said they were, i4r. Langenl'eld asked if they nad complete
heating and cooking elements separate i'or the rental area, and Mrs. Willson said
tnat was right. Mrs. Gabel asked ii' they would be making the upstairs apartmeni
into a one or two bedroom� and Mrs. Willson replied it would be a two-bedroom
apartment with separate bathroom and kitchen facilities.
Mr,, tiergman asked i2' a petition had been circulated or any f'ormal document signed
by the neighbors� and Mrs. Witlson said she nad no signed statement but tne
neighbors she had talked to didn't object, She said she felt ii' anyone nad an
objection they would be at this meeting to voice their opinions, Cnairperson
Harris asked iY they had a one-car garage, and Mrs. Willson said they were planning
on building a garage that urould be large enough to inc2ude a tennant. Mr. Harris
trien asked i£ they were pianning on paving tne driveway, and Mrs. Willson said
sne wasn't sure} but Mr, t3oaraman said it wou1H be required to meet all codes.
Mr. Langen2'eld said he would like to indicate that due to the age oi' this dwellzng
it snoula be approved as Yar as Yire sai'ety was concerned, ana Mr, noarclman said
it would be required to meet code.
Mr, liergman asked WhaL type oY dwelling existed on each oY the four sides. Mrs.
Willson answered that there were two douele bungalows on one side, a vacanc lot
which they owned on the other side, a£our-plex across the street� a five-Samily
apartment kitty-corner across the street� and a Metro 500 gas station behind them,
Mr, Boardman explained that the area behind them was zoned M-1 and R-1.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close ihe
Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-08, by Phillip
M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared
the Public Hearing c2osed at 8:50 P,M.
•MOTION by Sergman, seconded by Uabel, that the Planning Commission recommend
to the City Council approval of the request £or a Specia2 Use Permit� SP #76-08�
by Phillip M. Willson1 to permit the conversion oi' a one-family� two-story house
to a two-family house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas)� per
Fridley C3ty Code� Section 205.051, 3, D, to be located on Lot 2, Block l,
Froid�s Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironton Street N.E. Upon a voice vote� all
voting aye� the motion carried unanimous2y,
!�. PUBLIG HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECTAL USE PERMIT SP #76-09 BY STAV'S
SUPEI�F:TTE: Per Fridley.City Code, Section ZO .101, 3, N, to allow an outside
isp ay area for a hydroponic growing system, to be located on Lots 25 and
26, Block 3, Ree�s Addition, the same being 61t83 University Avenue N.E.
Mr. Robert Stavanau was present to represent Stav's Superette.
MOT10N by Peierson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission open the
Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit� SP !/76-09, by Stav�s
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� MOTION by Peterson, seconded hy Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend
to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-07�
by Nancy Melbie, Lo allow a child care center Yor ten children, per Fridley City
Code, Section 205.0�1, 3, F� in an R-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas)� to
be located on Lot 12, Block 3, Meadowmoor Terrace Addition, the same being 13�6
Meadowmoor Ilrive N.E. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried
unanimously.
2. PU�LIC F�AR1taU• CONSIDERATiON OF A PRELI1�iZaAxY YLA'r, r.s, rtro-v>, �,+,v�Dn��n
N6P.TH REPLAT THIRD AD�ITION BY DARdaL A. rAHN ll�.VhLOPNir.IvT GUriPU.RAiIOi.. t3ei
a rep at of ioLs 1 to inclusive, Blocks 21 through 2� and also part o£
Lot 1� 31ock 28, lnnsbruck Idorth Tocmhouses Third Addition, to allow changes
i.n the size of garages� generally located on the idest side oS East Bavarian
Pass and South o£ Meister Road N,E.
Chairperson Harris iniormed the Commission that p1r. Jim London had called him
6e;ore the meeting to let him know he would be late� and he suggested that this
puolic hearing be delayed until the arrival of Mr. London.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Uabel, to temporarily table the Public Hearing
on consideration o£ a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-05, �sbruck North RepZat
Third Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation� until Mr. London arrived.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
� 3, PUBLIC fiEARINU• REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP N76-O8, BY PHILLIP M
W1iiSUiV: To permit the conversion o: a one-family� two-story nouse �o a
txo-family house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per
Fridley City Code, Section 20$.051, 3� D, to be located on I.ot 2, Block 1,
Froid's Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironion Street N.E.
Mrs. Phillip Willson explained she was present to represent her husband� who
was ill and conld not attend the meeting.
MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission open the
Public 3earing on the request for a Special Use Permity SP #76-08� by Phillip
M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the
Public Hearing open at 8:}�0 P.M,
Mr, Boardman explained that tnis was a two-story frame home, and according to
the City Code they can't develop a two-family home within a R-1 area. He showed
the Commission a picture oi' the house, and said it caas located on the North side
of Ironton Street just East o£ a present two-family dwelling unit that was being
built. Mr. Boardman said that at this time the City 5taff would have no objections
to a tvo-£amily dwelling as far as 2oning purposes go; and they felt that if the
design of the structure was proper they aould envision a two-family dwelling with
na trouble.
Mr. Bergman asked if the two-dwelling structure that was being built next door
� would be classified as a double bunga2ow and £all under those requirements. Mr.
Boardman said it fell under the requirements of a two-family structure as far as
parking requirements, etc.� but it still is in a R-1 area.
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Mrs. Shea asked What the square i'ootage oi tne nouse was� anu Mr. Boarctman and
Mrs. Willson ansxered they did not Know, Mr. rsoarciman said that the lot was
lj,5bb square i'eet and that lu,uUU square 2'eet was required Yor a douole bungaiow.
Mrs, tiabel asked how many rooms there Kere, and Mrs. Willson answered there were
i'our rooms upstairs that xould be made into an apartment, plus a large porcn. She
added that they would be Iiving in the downstairs apartment which also consisted
of four rooms and a porch, and there would ne two stairways,
Chairperson Harris asked if they were proposing a considerable amount ox' remodeling,
and Mrs. Willson said they were. Mr. Langenl'eld asked if they had complete
heating and cooking elements separate Y'or the rental area� and Mrs. Willson said
that xas right. N`ss. Gabel asked ir they would be making the upstairs apartment
into a one or two bedroom� and Mrs, Willson replied it would be a two-bedroom
apartment with separate bathroom and kitchen facilities.
Mr,, tlergman asked ii' a petition had Deen circulaLed or any formal documettt signed
by the neighbors, and Mrs. Willson said she had no signed statement bui Lne
neighbors she had talked to didn't object. Sne said she felt iY anyone had an
objection they would be at Lhis meeting to voice their opinions. Crcairperson
Harris asked i2' they had a one-car garage, and Mrs. Willson said they were planning
on building a garage that would be large enough to include a tennant. Mr. Harris
tnen asked if they were planning on paving tne driveway, and Mrs. Willson said
sne wasn't sure� 6ui Mr, t3oaraman said it would ee required to meet all codes,
Mr. Langeni'eld said ne rrould like to indicate that due to the age oi' this dwelling
it snould be approved as i'ar as i'ire saf'ety was concerned, and Mr, ttoardman said
it would be required to meet code.
Mr, tsergman asked what type oY dwelling existed on each os the four sides. Mrs.
Wi].lsoa ansxered that t,here were twa double bungalows on one side, a vacanz 2ot
which they owned on the other side, a four-plex across the street, a five-family
apartment kitty-corner across the street, and a Metro 500 gas station behind tnem.
Mr. Boardman explained that the area behind them was zoned M-1 and R-1.
MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close the
Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit� SP #76-08, by Phillip
M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared
the Public Hearing closed at S:SO P,M.
MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Gabel, that the Planning Commission recomrnend
to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #/76-08,
by Phil2ip M. Willson, to permit the conversion oi' a one-family, two-story house
to a two-family house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per
Fridley City Code� Section 205.051� 3� D� to be located on Lot 2� Block 1�
Froid's Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironton Street N.E. Upon a voice vote� all
voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
�. PUBI.IC HEARING• REQUEST FOR A SPECIAZ USE PERMIT, SP #T6-09, BY STAV'S
5UPE1tETTE: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101� 3, N, to allow an outside
zsp s,v area for a hydroponic groxing system, to be located on Lots 25 and
26, Block 3, Ree's Addition� the same being 6lt83 University Avenue N.E.
Mr. Robert Stavanau was present to represent Stav's Superette.
MOTlON by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission open the
Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP /j76-09, by Stav's
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� Superette. Upon a voice vote� all voting a,ye, Chairperson Harris declared the
Pub2ic Hearing open at 8:5b P.M.
Mr. Boardman explained that this would be a Special Use Permit for an outside
display area used for displaying small greenhouses� to be located in the front
of the building in the present parking lot on the University and Mississippi
Street side. He said it was already there only because Mr. Stavanau had no other
place to store it! and with the understanaing that if the Special Use Permit was
denied he would remove it immediately, Mr. Boardman showed the Commission
Mr. Stavanau's proposal depicting what he planned to do. He explained it would
be in a fenced area built up Hith railroad ties and landscaping xould be provided�
and the present boulevard area would be resodded and trees would be planted. He
stated that the access through the parking lot on Mississippi Street would be
cut off. He said this was a portable, far-sale unit.
Mrs. Gabel said she saw a traf£�c problem with the width that xas left for cars,
and Mr. Boardman showed where the people drove on the service drive. He said
this was a proposal to block that o£f, and showed where it would be open £or a
bike path and walk path. He explained that there was a street improvement
project, and this proposal may save ihe city money as far as acquisition from
Red Owl� too, because if this was cut ofS they could start their acquisition
back further and might not have to pick up as much property. He said he would
2ike to add that with this improvement there would also be a buildinp, improvement,
as they would be taking down the yellow facarie and putting on a shake roo£ mansard.
� He added that any improvement Lhat was done, and Mr. Siavanau was aware of this,
would be a temporary situation since he is a renter. Mr. Soardman explained that
the property was owned by a doctor, and he was attempting to sell it.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if this was going io be there permanently, including the
winter, and Mr. Boardman replied it was, He said it was a permanent display
area for this type of system, Mr. Langenfeld said that here again they would
be giving a Special Use Permit to the property, and Mr. Boardman said that was
correct. Chairperson Harris asked what a hydroponic growing system was, and
Mr. Stavanau answered it was growing food stuffs without soil. He further•
explained it was asoil-less garden using strictly water, ana all the buildings
were heated. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was a large degree of heat, and wnat
the maximum temperature was. Mr. Stavanau replied it went up to eighty degrees,
and everything was thermostatically conirolled. He said it was all self-contained
in the unit� and a typical heating cost £or that si2e of unit for one year was
only about $200.
Mr. Peterson asked if he was planning on growing things in that unit, and ASr.
Stavanau replied he was. Mr. Bergman asked what his objective was, and Mr.
Stavanau ansuered hydroponic system sales.
Mr, Bergman siated that he was somewhat turned off� and Mr. Stavanau said this
would all tie in with a method of justifying the expense of overall beauti£ication
of a not too sightly building. He said that looking at the plan, a garden type
of spot would be easier to visualize than the littered parking lot they had now.
� Mr. Bergman explained he hadn't meant to drop his statement there, and said that
if there was such a thing as the center oi the city, that corner was very possibly
it, He said that he thought aesthetically that corner� and particularly that side
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MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend �
to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-09,
t3y Stav�s Superette� per Fridley City Code, Sect,ion 20$.101, 3, N, to allow an
outside display area for a hydroponic growing sysLe� to be located on Lots 25
and 26, Block 3� Ree's Addition, the same being 6l�83 University Avenue N.E., with
the stipulations as outlined in terms of landscaping and'building modification�
and with the understanding that some type of landscape would be put into the space
if it were no longer occuplied by a hydroponic structure.
Mr, tiergman stated he could not �nvision ar�y well-organized� aesthetically-
pleasing architectural plan made by professional people placing that unique,
unusual, and very different structure in front o£ that building an that particular
corner. He said he thought there was a sizeable 2mount of visua.l blight in that
general area now, and thought this kind o£ unique facility would just add to it.
He stated for these reasons he would have to vote against it.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if it was correct that under the Special Use Permit this
would have the element of control for approximately one year, and Mr. Harris
said that was correct. Mr. Langenfeld said the way he looked at it now he agreed
with Mr. Bergman� but if there was the eZement of control on an annual basis
perhaps it cc�uld be watched more closely and then be more aesthetically pleasing
than it was right now.
Mr. Peterson AMENDED the MOT10N to include the stipulation that Staff review
the Special Use Permit after one year. Seconded by Langenf'eld.
Mr, Boardman said he would like to recommend that the planting that is placed •
around this structure be to such a period in its growth that it would provide
the type of landscaping, shrubbery and trees that would be necessary ta promote
a garden area. Mr. Peterson stated that was implied in the motion that he made
because both the petitioner and Staff had mentioned it was going to be a
cooperative venture between them and so he assumed that between them there would
be a meeting of the minds. Mr. $oardman commented he felt Mr, Bergman might
be more comfortable with that type of a stipulation.
Chairperson Harris said that under the existing circumstances he disagreed with
,Mr. Bergman. He stated he thought any improvement in that area would be beneficial
to the corner� and if this was denied there would be no improvement and the staius
quo would remain the same £or another seven years or unti2 the building £ell down.
Mr, Harris said that he agreed from the standpoint of aesthetics that he probab].y
would not want to see it in front of Ciiy Hall, but he thought it was a move in
the right direction and it would solve some trafSic problems in there. He added
that he wished there couZd be a barrier from the rest oi' that parking lot, and
suggested some temporary curbing across where it said "1t0 i'eet" to keep the patrons
from the Canterbury from wandering into the area inadvertently. Mr. Stavanau
said he vnderstood what Mr. Harris was talking about� and stated there was no
reason they couldn't go right across there with the landscaping. bir. Harris said
he was thinking they might have a walkway along side the ties and in through the
gate, nnd added that this might start something iresh in the whole center.
Mr, Boardman said he had talked to the Center Manager and while he is willing �
to have City Staff talk to the other owners, he said he is unwilling to do any
improvements on this thing. Mr. Boaz'cLnan explained he was trying to phase that
building out of operation� and after another ten-year period the structure would
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Chairperson Harris asked hov tall the fence wss, and Mr. Stavanau replied it was
a 6' chain link fence. Air. Harris asked how long he envisioned this structure
� being there. Mr. Stavanau replied it was strictly a display unit, but it was for
sale, so he really dian't know at this point. Mr. Harris then asked what would
happen if this venture didn't work out very well, and what would happen to the
area. Mr. Stavanau answered that they would have a lovely looking front yard.
hfr. Harris asked what would happen if somebody bought this particular unit ana
it was moved ofP. Mr. Stavanau said another display uould go in there as their
i.ntantion was continuing displays, Mr. Narris said he was looking i'or some type
of assurance that it would not 6e used for something like a storage area� and
Mr. Stavanau said that as he understood it he would then need another Special
Use Permit as this one was specifically for a hydroponic display.
Chairperson Harris asked if for some reason this unit was removed and not replaced�
if Mr. Stavanau would agree to sodding the area, and he replied he would,
Mr. Stavanau added that a certain amount of' this landscaping and building improve-
ment had been their intention for some time� and they had just reached the point
that since the landlord wasn't going to do it they Yelt they must as a part or
good dusiness. Mr, tioardman said that ratner tnan make a statement o£ sodding,
StafY wou3d prefer to say complete landscaping in the area where the structure
was located.
Mr. Bergman said that aside from the landscapittg improvements which he agreed
were needed, it seemed to him that this kind of an insiallation ought more
naturally be placed in the back of the building instead of the Yront, and asked
if Mr. Stavanau nad considered taat. He anst+ered that he had� but would like
� it located i.n front partly for security reasons and partly for exposure, He
added that it would look better when it was growing and there were green plants
inside� and sai.d he thought the Commission would be pleasantly surprised c�hen
it xas do�ae.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if this hydroponic system was a Japanese procedure, and
Mr. Stavanau replied it was not. He said this system has been around for
centuries and added as a point of interest that during '�;orld 'r7ar II there were
13 million tons of produce produced this way. He stated that it has realljr
progressed rapidly from that point� but had never become a very profitable thing
until the more extensive use of PYC and poly because the nutrients that are Fed
,to the plants are all water soluable. Mr. Langenfeld asked iF he had at least
$3�000 invested in this now, and Mr. Stavanau replied he did, hlr. Langenfeld
asked if there would be a considerable hardship placed on him if the permit was
denied, other than the initial investment, i1r. Stavanau answered that he would
have to find a new home for it.
Ghairperson Aarris said that when he talked to the owners of that property in
the past hs always heard it xould only be there for a couple more years, and
asked if Mr. Stavanau thought that vas ever going to come to pass, Mr. Stavanau
replied he did not.
MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission close
the Public Heari.ng on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-09, by Stav`s
Superette. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the
� Public Hearing closed at 9:30 P.M.
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Mr, tiergman said he had received some comments £rom townhouse owners� and their
concern seems to be the lack of open parking and loss of some of same with the
proposal. Mr. I.ondon said it was so noted.
S. REQUES'1' FOR A VACATION, sAV !/76-03, E
easement on the Southerly 33 feet oS
2, East Ranch Estates Second Addtion.
Mr. Hobert Schroer xas present.
Vacate the street
et of Lot 1t� Block
Mr, �soardman explained that this request was brought before the Planning Commission
from the Special tlse Permit granted to Kennedy Transmission Company� and that
Bob Schroer had submitted a request for vacation of that street. Mr, Boardman
said Mr, Schroer had agreed to the easement of 50' as requested by the Planning
Commission, and the vacation was i'or the 33' that went through the transmission
company�s property. Mr, Harris asked if there were any lines o£ any sort in
that 33'� and Mr, Boardman replied yes, the city would have to maintain for
sanitary sewer.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commissior.
recozmnend to the City Council approval of the request for a vacation, SAV
#?6-03, by Hobert Schroer, to vacate the street easement on the Southerly 33
feet of the Easterly 200 Yeet oi' Lot 4, Block 2, East xanch Estates Second
Addi,tion, with the stipulations Yor drainage and utility easements as outlined
by Staff.
Mr. Boaraman said that it was his understanding that Mr. Schroer would eliminate
the proposed street in the rear and all the industrial property will be faced ox'f
of Ranchers Road.
Chairperson qarris said that perhaps at that time they should make a note and
tie triose split-off lots io the rear lots somehow, as tne abandonment of the
road idea would create some land-locked property, Mr. Boardman said that the
city would maintain a road easement as ].ong as those lots were maintained, and
with a replat that road would be vacated.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
5A. YOUTH CFivTER DTSCUSSION
Mr. Ned Storla was present representing the Youth Project Committee.
Mr. Soardman said he wanted to apologize for not getting this on the agenda.
He stated he was going to bring it to the Planning Commission after it went to
all the member commissions� and it was overlooked. He added that all the member
commi.ssions have looked at the proposal and made their recommendations to the
Planning Cott¢nission,
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Mr. Langenfe2d said he wouZd like to hear the motions from the Human Resources �
Commission and the Community Development Coimnissions to get updated,
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no longer be a cost to the propert,y. He said that any improvement on the
� building would increase the length of time that they would have to operate
it in order to get the money back £rom that building,
Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to comment that he hoped this would not start
a trend that everything from souo to nuts would go out in front o£ ot�er olaces.
Mr. Harris said he believed that the City Council had already set a precedent
as far as this was concerned when they allowed the tr�ailer sales park in front
of Holiday Village. He stated that if the city allows trailer sales £acing
69�1 in the Holidy parking lot� then anybody who has vacant parking area tnat is
not used has the same rights to apply for the same uses. 1•Ir. Bergman said if
the trailer sales £unction were requested on the corner oi 2•.ississippi and univ-
ersity� his vote �rould have been difPerent. Chairperson Harris sa�d tnai the
trailer sales park rras on the corrier of 69b and Universit,y and that corner was
a far busier one. He stated that many more people visiting the city �rould see
that operation than this one. Mr. Langen£eld said he wanted to point out that
he was not questioning anyone's rights. ?ir. Harris stated that tir�th the precedent
being set� as far as he was concerned, he uas going to vote for this narticular
proposal,
UP(3N A ROLL CALL VOTE, Harris, Langenfeld, Peterson, Shea and Gabe1 voting aye,
Bergman voting nay, the motion carried 5- 1.
OF A PRELIt�fINARY PLAT. P.S. #7b-05, I,:;rSHRUCK
� a replat o£ Lots 1 to inclusice� Blocks 21 ihrough 26� and also par� of Lot 1�
Block 28� Innsbruck iVorth Townhouses Third Addition, to allo�. changes in the
size of garages� generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and
South of Meister Road N.E,
Mr. Jim Londan, Mr. Jerry Anderson and Mr. Lorin Woods were present.
M01'ION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission open
the Public Hearing on the consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S, '�,76-05�
Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing
open at 9:45 P.M.
Mr. London, representing Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, stated that
after talking to Mr. Anderson and Mr. Woods he would like to request that this
be tabled until the next meeting of the Planning Commission as they had some
problems to work out ai the Iimsbruck North Townhouse Architectural Control
Committee level, He said that these problems would have to be worked out before
they could go ahead with their plan, or it would be withdrawn.
MOTION by Langenfeld, seaonded by Peterson, that the Public Hearing on consider-
ation oi' a preliminary plat� P,S. �{76-0$� Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition,
by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation� be tabled until the next Planning
Commission meeting on July lit, 197b, with the Public Hearing open. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
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noise, etc., but yet everyone says they are in favor of it so a stand shou7d be
made on it. •
t"x. Boardman read to the Corrunission the motion from the Parks and Recreation
Commission neeting oF April 26� 1976: MOTTON by Harris, seconded by Seeger,
that since the Commi.ssion is in Favor oi' a youth center but not in favor of
locating it in the City Hall� the Human Resources Commission be asked to talk
to the people ai the Northeast Y anfl iind out the status of their program and
see if a xorkabYe solution can be made with their facility and our intended use.
N,r. Boardman then read to the Commission a subsequent discussion on the youth
center at the Parks and Recreation meeting of Piay 2l�, 1976; Mr. Moore referred
to a letter from the Youth Project Committee and said he would Iike to make his
feelings lrnown to the Parks and Recreation Cormnission. He stated he had talked
to several people on this subject, and he would not be against having them use
the Parks and Recreation Department�s space if they were going to move out to
the librar'r area. Director Huff said he would still be a bit negative to having
t:ie Youth Center located at the City Hall. Mr. Harris stated that he had given
some thougnt to that, and he was noL sure that Parks and Recreation should be
involved in the Youth Center. Director Huff commented that Community Schools
had offered the group to come under their auspices,
t4r. Storla said that Community Schools, as he understood it, wou7d require more
statistics be compiled before they would fund the teen center. He explained
that the Y?C did not have the manpower to compile how many cars wonld need
parking� how many people a day would be using it, which programs would be the
best for it� etc., and Community Schools was not willi:ng to £und it on the
original proposal. �
Mr. Peterson said he would like to point out that neither the Planning Commission
or any of the other Commissions had any power to create anything. He stated that
this had to be done through.the City Council� and he thought this Commission
should be very careful when they say that Parks and 12ecreation should be doing
this, becanse they don�t have ihat power. He stated he tnought they could save
ail kinds of time and debate ii they just recommend to Caunci2 that either, they
create it or not; then if Council wanis to appropriate money that would be£ine�
and they could put it wherever they wanted to. He added that he still didn�t
think it belonged under Parks and Recreation, but if Council wanted to put �t
there� then that is where it would be.
Hrs. Snea asked Mr. Peterson where the Youtn l;enter would go, if not under Parks
and Recreation, and Mr, Peterson asked where the other ones went in other
co�mnunities. Mrs. Shea answered tnat most were under the Parks and ttecreation
Department, and cited Richfield as an example. Mr. Storla agreed that the majority
were� and said thaL tne youth centers that Were most similiar to tne one they were
setting up were under the auspices u2' the Parks and Recreation Department. Mr.
Peterson said that in all the material ne naci seen presented� he hadn't seen
"Town A" and statistics on how it was operated, its budget, and so on. He
continued that when they start talking about Parks and kecreation and start
comparing programs, they have to contact ten cities snd come back with daLa on
Lhe activity� funding� etc, He staLed he hadn't seen anything Iike that. Mrs.
Shea said that was pretty much what bhey were asking for now--to have Staf£ do
something. She stated they did not have the facilities in their Commission. �
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Mrs. Shea read the following motion from the Human Resources Commission meeting
� of April 1, 1976: MOT10N b,y Barbara Shea� seconded by Nancy Lambert� that the
Human Hesources Commission approve the resolution b,y the XPC and ask the City
through the Planning Commission to bring the Iauth Genter under the auspices
of the Parks and Recreation Department,
Mr. Bergman read the following motion from the Community Development Commission
meeting of June 8, 1976: MOTION by Uennis Schneider� seconded by Hubert Lindblad�
that the Comrmanity Development Commission recommend to Planning Comr.iission
concurrence with the creation of a teen center in Fridley to oe operated as
indicated on Page 2 of the Human Resources Gommission meeting minutes of Aaril
1, 1976 paragraphs one through three and, further, that the City guarant;ee
the use of the librazy within 30 days after acceptance of the charter as a teen
center. Also� that a time limit of one month be set for each Ccmmission to
appoint a person to the temporary board of directors. If a Commission does
not make their appointment within the one month period, then the YPC has the
right to appoint a person to fill that position on the temporary board of directors.
�rther, that the temporary board of directors consist of an ex-officio Parks
& Recreation Commission member or their designate.
Mr. Bergman said he would like to comsnent further, and stated that the Community
Developmeni Commission had this on their agenda on and off for six months. He
stated that they had all gotten involved in general discussion, had listened
to other's comments, and had finally gotten to the guts of the matter at their
last meeting when Air. Storla was present. He continued that initiall,y they had
• been concerned that there w2s not a formal operating procedur2l of how tnis �sould
be run� what hours it would be open� what they would do in it� iY' it would be
structured or unstructured� as all of these ouestions were not answered. He
stated that they finally backed off to the Human Resources positior. at cne of
their previous meetings where the statement was made that the youtn had put in
enough time on this and should not� at this point, be burdened with a lot o£
detailed questions. He commented that these could be worked out during th2
development of the charter.
Mr. Bergman said they had gotten into a discussion on City Hall space, and the,y
took a look at the old library and the Parks and c�ecreation office and the outer
office, and concluded that in their opinion there was enough space in the Fridley
• City Hall. He stated that there might have to be some adjustment to occupancg,
but it could be made to work, Mr. Bergman continued that they had talked about
possible pmblems in a lengthy conversation� and from having started from a
position of roughly 50� for and 50k against, it was interesting that by the time
they comgleted their discussions and considerations there was unanimous agreement
on one key point--the thing should be given a chance. He stated that was the
basic position of Community Develo�nent; it may or may not work, but it shauld
be given a chance,
The over-view and control of this kind of thing, Mr. ltergman stated, logically
should Fall within Parks and Recreation. He said that comments had been made
that Parks and Hecreation spends a lot of time with young kids, but not too much
time was applied to teenagers. Mr. Bergman continued that Community Development
� felt cormnitments should be made by the city at this time, prior to a detailed
charter. He stated he wanted to point out that all Five subcommittees have
studied the proposal and all £ive have stated on record that they are in favor
of a youth center. He added that there have been some concerns as to where it
should be located, who should operate it, will it work� parking problems,
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ball facilities, games, etc. He stated the question that came to his mind was �
if the center was really needed or not, and he hadn�t seen anythirtg that said
a teen location is needed. He continued that he had the feeling if it was
developed and if it failed� it wou2d be detrimental to the youth development
within the community. Mr, Boardman said he would Iike to see several thi.ngs
happen as far as if the city is going to be committed to youth; it should be �
committed in the organization of youth and the recreational activities of youth.
He thought if this was to get going there would have to be more there that said
they were going to coordinate this whole program� and maybe what they need is
not a center but the whole gamut of recreational fVnction like they have in
St, Louis Park.
Mrs. Gabel said she �ould have to disagree rrith that, and she didn't think
the youth would have spent so much time going around in circles if they didn�t
feel that was what they needed, She stated that their feelings didn't necessarily
reflect, the ,youth's, and suggested they listen to the youths to a degree and
give them a chance to set their guidelines. Air. $oardman said he thought the
program was fine to be started but it should be carried on, and said there had
to be something from the city to support this action. He continued that if
it was felt a teen center should be started ana space was allocated in City
Hall� there should be more backi.ng it up and more interest in it than ju�t
givi.ng them a space.
Mr. I�angenfeld said he got the i.mpression that what they were really after was
mom�ntum. He stated it was true the youths had been going to Commission after
Commission for some time� but if they were given a temporary area there might �
be a big sigh of relie£ and the whole momentum might fizzle out. However, he
added, he did think it should be given a chance so they could find out.
Mr. Bergman stated he did not agree with Mr. }3oardman's comments, and feli what
they were talking about was a matter of priorities as far as space was concerned
and what Parks and Recreation should be doing.
MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission concur with
the moti.on from the Community Development meeting of June 8, 197b, and recommend
to City Council the creation of a teen center in Fridley to be operated as
follows:
This ,youth center should have a temporary board of directors consisting
of six regular members and two ex-officio members. Regular members shall
be appointed by the following groups: one by the 1�'rfdley City Council, one
by the Fridley Planning Commission, one by the Fridley Human Resources
Commission, arzd Lwo by the r'ridley Xouth Project Committee. One ex-officio
member shall be appointed by ttce Fridley City Council and one by the
Fridley Police Department.
The temporary board of directors should serve for not more than thirty
days duri.ng which time they will write the charter, establish the interim
rules For the youth center and facilitate the election for regular members
to the permanent board. The appointed ex-officio members will also serve
on the permanent board. �
Administratively, the youth center will be under the auspices of the Parks
and Recreation Department who will assign staff to supervise and carry out
the guidelines established by the board of directors.
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Mrs. Shea read the following motion Yrom the Human Resources Commission meeting
. of April 1� 1976: MOT10N b,y Barbara Shea� seconded by Nancy Lambert� that the
Human Resources Commission approve the resolution b,y the YPC and ask the City
through the Planning Commission to bring the louth Center under the auspices
of the Parks and Recreation Department,
Hr. Bergman read the following motion from the Community Development Cormnission
meeting of June 8� 1976; hI0TI0N by Dennis Schneider� seconded by Hubert Lindblad,
that the Community Development Commission recommend to Planning Commission
concurrence with the creation oF a teen center in Fridley to be operated as
indicated on Page 2 of the Human Resources Commission meeting minutes of Anril
1, 1976 paragraphs one through three az!d� further� that the City guarantee
the use of the library within 3fl days after acceptance of the charter as a teen
center. Also� that a time limit of one monih be set for each Cor.�i.ssion to
appoint a person to the temporary board of directors. If a Commission doe,
not make their appointment within the one month period� then the YPC has the
right to appoint a person to fill that position on the temporary board of directors.
l�rther, that the temporary board of direcLOrs consist o£ an ex-officio Parks
& Recreation Commission member or their designaie.
Mr. Bergman said he would like to comment fhrther, and stated that the Community
Development Commission haA this on their agenda on and o£f for six months. He
stated that they had all gotten involved in general discussion, had listened
to other's comments� and had finally gotten to the guts of the matier at their
last meeting when Mr. Storla was present, 'rIe continued that initially they had
• been concerned that there was not a formal ope:ating procedurl of how this wou�d
be run, what hours it would be open, what they would do in it, ii' it would be
structured or unstructured, as all of these questions were not answered. �ie
stated that they finally backed of£ to th� Hwnan Resources position at one of
their previ.ous meetings rahere the statemeni was made that the youth had put in
enough time on this and strould not, at this point, be burdened with a lot of
detailed questions. He commented that these could be c.orked out during the
development of the charter.
Mr. Bergman said they had gotten into a discussion on City Hall space� and they
took a look at the old library and the Parics and Recreation office and the outer
o£fice, and concluded that in their opinion there was enaugh space in the Fridley
City Hall. He stated that there might have to be some adjustment to occupancy,
but it could be made to work. Mr. Bergman continued that they had talked about
possible problems in a lengthy conversation, and from having started from a
position of roughly S0� for and 5o� against, it was interesting that by the time
they completed their discussions and considerations there was unanimous agreement
on one key point--the thing should be given a chance, He stated that was the
basic position of Community Development; it may or may not work, but it should
be given a chance.
The over-viev and control of this kind of thing, Mr, liergman stated, logically
should fall within Parks and itecreation. He said that comments had been made
that Parks and Hecreation spends a lot of time with young kids, but not too much
time was applied to teenagers. Mr. Bergman continued that Community Aevelopment
� felt commitments should be made by the city at this time, prior to a detailed
charter. He stated he wanted to point out that all five subcommittees have
studied the proposal and all five have stated on record that they are in favor
of a youth center, He added that there have been some concerns as to where it
should be located� who should operate it� will it work, parking problems,
Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 18
ball facilities, games, etc. He stated the question that came to his mind was .
if the center was really needed or not, and he hadn�t seen anything that said
a teen location is needed. He continued that he had the feeling if it was
developed and if it failed� it would be detrimental to the youth development
within the cormnunity, Mr. Boardman said he would like to see several things
happen as far as if the city is going to be cormnitted to youth; it should be
committed in the organization of youth and the recreational activitie� of yonth.
He thought if this was to get going there would have to be more there that said
they were going to coordinate this whole program� and maybe what they need is
not a center but the whole gamut of recreatianal function like they have in
St. Louis Park,
Mrs. Gahel said she would have to disagree with that, and she didn't think
the youth would have spent so much time going around in circ2es if they didn't
feel that was what they needed. She stated that their feelings didn't necessarily
reflect the youth�s, and suggested they listen to the youths to a degree and
give them a chance to set their guidelines. Fir. Boardman said he thought the
program was fine to be started but it should be carried on,, and said there had
to be something from the city to support this action. He continued that if
it was felt a teen center should be started and space was a]located in City
Ha21� there ^hould be more backing it up and more interest in it than just
giving them a space.
Mr. Langenfe].d said he got the impression that what they were really after was
momentum. He stated it was true the youths had been going to Commission after
Commission for some time, but if they were given a temporary erea there might •
be a big sigh o£ relief and the whole momentum might fizzle out. Aowever, he
added� he did think it should be given a chance so they could find out,
Mr. Bergman stated he did not agree with Mr. 13oasdman's cotmnents� and felt what
they were talking abont was a matter of priorities as far as space was concerned
and what Parks and Recreation should be doing.
MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission concur with
the motion from the Community Development meeting of June 8, 1976, and recormnend
to City Council the creation of a teen center in Frid7.ey to be operated as
follows:
This youth center should have a temporary board of directors consisting
of six regular members and two ex-o£ficio members. Regular members shall
be appointed by the following groups: one by the r'ridley City Council, one
by the Fridley Planning Commission, one by the Fridley Human ftesources
Commission, and two by the P'ridley Youth Project Committee, One ex-o£ficia
member sha1Z be appointed by the Fridley City Council and one by the
Fridley Police Department.
The temporary board of directors should serve for not more than thirty
days during which time they will write the charLera establish the interim
rules for the youth center and facilitate the election for regular members
to the permanent board. The appointed ex-officio members will also serve
on the permanent board. �
Admi.nistratively, the youth center will be under the auspices of the Parks
and Ftecreation Department who will assign sLaff to supervise and carry out
the guidelines established by the board of directors.
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pl�yng Commission Meeting -
June 23� 147b
seminar across the stre�t
educational from five
had conducted � stated that five dire.ctorso they nad
le nad turned out•a discussed their operations,
pgr, Starla said tnat the teen centers in
�d abput Tifty peOP ad attended � had contactedh3d talked to tihe
diYl'erent teen centers h asked iY tneY � Crystal� to
h that. Mr. Yetierson had gone lrector� and had gone
been throug Mr Storla replied they ctivitie5 1�� had the time
d tne Comm'��ty A He adaed that iY they Lne StaYS
otheY cities. olis an ids. didn't have
police in Fiinneap in Coon Hap �om iled, but they
Suburban one looking at this £or s�
tne t�orthe�hey He said that after
�nd money could have had statistics
and tnought perhaps the City did.
ike to see it set up. uality
{,�ey would 1� made by the �virorunental Q
months the motion p;0'�'ION bY Lee P.nn
to the Commission ly�b meeting: to planning
Mr� L�genfeld read their MaY 1�� to reco:�unend
�ammission from the minvtes of l�ing servlces ana
discussion bY t�rother Sullivan� eo le of all
gporre� seconded t�or royyde comprenensive recrea�i°�nsPlor P p board
that the City P aiverse recreatione�Pnav}ng a temPoraT'y
�ommission estanlish ttee be de�elop
tnat funds be used to Comml d two ex-ofr1Cio memeers.
d that a Youth PrograiTi roups� �ne by tn� r'ridlcY
ages an oi six regular members an trie rridley Huma�
oe appointed 'oy tne iollc�ing g one bY �d tiwo by
oY directors consria 1 g planning Commission� Co�ission,
Regular members tpe hridley � ecreation oinied
cil one by az.,�s and K Shall be aPP
City �o� ' Ssion� one by the P pne eX-oYYicio member
the r'ridley police llepartment.
Hesources Commi ect Commlttee.
the Fridley"louth proJ d one oY reed with
Gity Council an and he ag
by the P'ridley reat li Po ta�t, � to get the
riaa discussedpo i�eaqugte as 0 riy stated it
Mr, LangenYeld said theys a SPace maY ro ecL oYY tne �r�� ,swer
Mr. �oa�`� that perhap et the F� implemented t�e �
d so YorLh to g motion was �o�ittees, board��
proper Plaz''°ing �' chis particulai' ail tne feel is
was nis Yeeling tnat once establishing What they
Would take place by as t° the use of
the cenUer �he pinal dete^�nination motion on
Yor they could make oiSicial
etc.� then that they had not made a ion was availaole•
ge added h �£orn� t�iey
necessaz'YHall as they felt not enoug },a�ing
the City e�s had also made a motion S said a
but their motion rave
t og the Youtht eytfelt the space there might p
Mrs, Gabel said t�he �oncepard of Pp thin� to
Favor o� „ in the City Hall as �ould talk thiand it was
were in oint was they enou�h,
„temporary facility d �,p�d long
{,o 6e not adequate. She stated the P �ould move on it.
�d the kids had been sent as'°'i'�d a�'
d direction so they
,death, a three-year or
now time to take some forwar that tnere be xe Stated that
Staff's recommendation Hall area. and the
said it +�� ryn r,rithin the City the librarY �'ea� would
Mr. ��ar�'an eXpansion pr�g would be ear do� the line)
possible five-ye a�ed space for development the th}rd y center does
ticip nated (possibly if the teen
the first an There£ore� he said, y�d Recreation
last space that would be desig end it go into the Parks
by the Parks and Recreation area.
�}all� Staff Kould reC�mmee yeyx.$).
yrea on a1temP°Sa� basis (one to inning,
this proJect since its begls needed.
had been involved with reed a teen center
ission� he questioned
�,� Boaz.�an stated he uP that a11 the Commissions a� activitY
e� hang- �he g�vironmental �O�mmrecreational
and he had a r some kind �e stated
$e said that as he discTe�iy needed or if the most Deneficon ln Which they
iY a center is what is that Would be oing
for youth is the thing k has an oPeration ge oUth activities
program a week for teen� y basket-
he had just heard that St. I.�uis P�' use of tennis aourts�
open the j�lor high school three o�facilities�
su�h as dances� use of swimming F�
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and tells them their time is up and not to come back for the rest of the day, '
Mr. Bergman said it was a five-minute li.mit� and would like to ask how many •`,
games of ping-pong a youth could play in five minutes. Mr. Boardman explained
Lhat Lhe Parks and Recreation offices were right oFf the outside p2ay area�
and it was disturbing to those oFfices, and that was the reason the time limits
were imposed. He added that he xas upset about the time limits, too, but they
xere the rules that Paul Brown set on those things because nf the type of admin-
istrative activity going on.
Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Storla if he had talked to District 1l�, and Mr.
Storla explained that they couldn't be in schools during school hours, and
after school hours they would be dealing with Community Schools. Mr. Harris
seid he wondered if the Eoard of Directors couldn�t be appointed and the whole
thing organiz�a ��a at that time some discussion could be held with District
11�. He said it seemed to him that the schoo2 districts had to be involved in
it�somehow. Mr. Boardman said that to his understanding, that was the direction
it would have to go to be any kind of successful operatian� as a teen cenLer
would noL provide the type of activites that teens wanted, ie: dances, hayrides,
etc. Mr. Harris stated that it seemed to him that these people had carried
the ball about as Yar as they could and have come to the city to nelp them.
6. LUT SPLI'1' HEQuEST L.S. #Yb-oy BY I;HJ CUNSTRUCTTON COMPAtvY (JOtirv 7AvAN):
Split Lot 2� Audiior�s Subdivision No, 9� into three building sites,
(Zoned R-2� will be developed as K-1). Uenerally located at Hillwind
Road and I.-69k. �
Mr. John Logan� representing uxJ Construction Company was present, Ae passed
out to the Commission updated copies of the application for the lot split as
the original ones lacked the name and address oi the property owner. He also
distributed copies o£ a letter from Mr. Mark Z. Jones, the property oraner,
granting germission for the lot split. He informed the Commission that Mr.
Jones was selling GHJ the land contract subject to the lot split, and introduced
Mr, and Mrs. Del Johnson, prospecCive owners. He explained they wanted to
buy the second 7ot for a future home site. Mr. Logan said he checked with the
City Engineering Department to get the water and sewer locations so Lhe connections
wou2d be available to each of the three lots.
Chairperson Harris asked if he intended on buiZding single-Samily houses, and
Mr. I.ogan replied he did. Mr. Harris asked if the lots had been checked for
size, ana Mr. Boardman 2nswered they Kere all large ettough for single-family
under the code and sewer and water was available to all three lots, He added
th�.f, the Gity Staff had no problem tiaith the application.
Mrs. Shea questioned if he was going io have to use quite a bit of fill, and
Mr. Logan replied the first two lots would need little or no fill but the third
loi may require some. He added that the building site itself would be on solid
ground,
Chairperson Harris asked if there was a ten foot easement on the side of one
of the lots� and Mr. Boardman said that was where the sewer and water lines �
were. Mr..l3oardman explai.ned that these lots would face on Hillwind Hoad�
and on the other side was more H-1 property.
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� Flzrther, that the �it,y gua^-mtee the use of the librar,Y within ;0 da.,ys after
acceptance of the charter as a teen center, klso� that a time limit of one
month be set for each Commission to appoint a person to the temporar,y board
o£ directors. If a commission dOP.S not make their appointment within the
one-month period, then the YPC has the right to appoint a person to fill. that
position on the temporary board of directors, Fltrther� that the temnorary board
of directors consist o£ azi ex-of£icio Parks and Recreation Co2mnission mer�ber
or their designate.
Mr. Peterson said i£ he were on the City Council he would ask several questions
that have not been answered yet� as far as he was concerned� such as how man,y
people would be involved, aere tnere any duplicate services within the community,
etc, He stated that in Parks and Recreation they had asked that the Y be
contacted, Comrmmity Schools� and if it was going to be a duplication of servi.ces
that already exist or if they rrere talking about thirty people out o£ a pop-
ulation of several thousand. Ae stated he did not think the City Council was
going to take action based on the information available� and he would be a
little unhappy i£ they did.
Mrs. 5hea said that as far as the Y goes that was still five years awa,y, and
would be strictly family membership and not individual membership. She added
if a family couldn't pay about $200 to belong, a member of that famil,y could
not go there. tir. Peterson said that wasn�t true because he haopened to be
on the Board of Directors for Northwest Y in St. Paul which was a£amily Y�
and t!�ere were many teenagers that participated, rirs. Shea stated that the,y
• had a one-night a week program in that Y, and tlr. Peterson said he dicin�t
think that was true, He added that he didn't imow what the timetable was
for the Northeast Y� but maybe there were other services that were duplicated.
Mr. Storla said that iS a youth wanted to go somewhere tonight� for example�
the only place would be the Family Flu't Genter which �ras a pinball hall� and
there was the question of value of the atmosphere there. He added that they
had not come up with any other aciivities where a youih could go right now�
and haven't seen any duplications.
Chairperson Harris said they had been talking around in circles, and what it
boiled down to was space al2ocation� and that was the hang-up with Staff and
ParkS and Recreation. He said he honest2y didn't lmow in his mind if putting
it in City Hall was going to work, but he £elt there should be one. Mr.
Boardman said he didn't think that was the main hang-up, and said he felt
they could go xith temporar,y space in the City Hall with no problem. He stated
he felt they should be thinking o£ a more permanent type situation, and about
the programs for youth and if that space is oriented to the programs they want.
Mr. Harris said that then the next step in his mind was to get the thing of£
the ground, have them put together a board of directors, and at that time
determine where the space should be.
UPON A VOICE vOTE, Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld� Shea and Gabel voting aye�
Peterson voting nay� the motion carried 5- l.
. Mrs. Gabel�said that a number of youths had told her about the ridiculous
rules and regulations that were imposed in the downstairs Parks and Itecreation
area where there were some facilities for them to use. She stated she was
told that when the youth's ten minutes vere up, some person gets crabby and
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2. Anoiher one oY' their concerns was the vacation of streets, and uere
worried that if it shows on a map that there is a street easement �':
then developers would anticipate that to be in.
3, Mother concern was that the map shows behind the residentisl property
a right-of-way at 83rd between East River Road ana the railrcad trzcks.
That right oY way is not in. 83rd has been designated as a state-aid
road� and StaFf has agreed to change this map.
4. They were also concerned about 83rd on North Park side. ihat is a
dedicated right-of-way there. They want to vacate that �iortion of
Ashton, e].iminate the railroad crossing, and vacate all of B3rd.
Mr, t�oardman stated that City Staff felt that although there would probab2y
never be a railroad crossing at that location, Ashton to 83rd would have io be
maintained in order to service the properties on Ironton 4f lot splits occur.
He sai.d there was one loL split in there already; and although the people in the
area say they are going to keep those properties and never request it, i� ihey
did sell there would be the possibility that the new owners might recuest it,
Therefore� he stated� they did not feel the vacation of Ashton was a good idea.
Mr, Boardman continued that as far as on the East side of the railroad tracks
was concerned� he didn't feel that vacating the right o: way at this iime would
be a good idea either� and said he didn'L see any purpose in it. Ae said that
if the area develops, it most likely wouldn't develop along 83rd, and thought
it wor,Id just be an exercise in futility. He stated that there was a utility
on 81st, and utility easemenLs would have to be maintained. �
Mr. Langenfeld asked if there wasn't an implied notation in this for preservation
of North Park, anfl Mr. Boardman replied that to a certain extent there was. He
said he didn't think North Park wanted an industrial road on its south boundary.
He added that he felt it was a mistake in the first place to run the sewer lines
where they ran them, because i£ any kind of development goes in there the line
could be detrimental to the road.
Mr. Boardman said that as to the question of the oak tree, it was located on
Ironton just East of the interesection of Ironton and Hugo Streeb. He stated
that the curb that was presently on Zronton runs to Hugo Street, is blacktop
for a little ways and then is dirt road to Ashton and down to Ely, and the oak
tree did stick within the curb line. Mr. Harris asked what type of oak tree
it was, and Mrs. Shea answered a white oak.
Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to bring up two points. First, he said, the
F�vironmental Quatity Commission felt that the petition was trying to stop
something that wasn't even planned yet; and secondly� the Ehvironmental Commission
made a motion that any development that took place in this area be referred to the
kihvironmental Quality Commission in the beginning stages. He stated he would
also Iike to bring up that he would like this Corunission to be referred to as
the Fridley Environmenta2 Q,uality Commission because sometimes there was reference
to the State Commission and there was conflzsion.
MOTtON by Bergman, seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission concur �
with the motion inade by the Community Development Commission and recommend to
Lhe City Council that there be tto change ta present street patterns as requested
by petition B-1976 at the present time, and thst signs be placed at Tronton
Street to prohibit industrial truck traffic on Ironton Street. The following
considerations apply:
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1. Some oY the involved property is not yet developed and may require
street service.
2, lndustrial activity may result from additional development adding
access pressure.
3. Until further and more Yinal develo�nent plans are presented� the
possibility of the right-of-xay and railroad crossing on 83rd should
not be dropped.
!t. Every consideration should be taken to preserve the tree if road
development occurs.
Chairperson asked hox truck traffic would get out if not down Ironton, Mr.
Boardman answered that Ashton Street was designated as a State-Aid road, and the
whole inea behind 83rd as an industrial road was to tie in with the �oon Hapids
Development. Hoxever, he continued, Coon Iiapids has tentatively come up with
an internal road system in that area; and therefore if 83rd would go in it would
be a residential road within the city, He said that truck traffic out oY that
industrial area should be routed dorm Ashton to 79th and out at 79th,
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
8. STRT'ET WID'FH S'1'AIrDARDS
Mr. Boardman stated that the memo from '1'om Colbert dated May 28, 197b on this
subject was seli'-explanatory. He said there are set street width standards
as SolloWS:
Heavy Industrial Park
Municipal 5tate Aid Street
Arterial & Collector Resi-
dential
50 feet
44 i'eet
3b Teet
tlowever, he said, there are examples oY other size streets. He continued that
some oY them are based on environmental reasons, some on certain conditions in
the area, or other things. Mr. tsoardman said that the City Council has the
authority when a plat was neing done to determine the road size. Another thing
that determines it� he said� was the amount oY parking that wauld be needed in
the area; or if no oYf'-street parki.ng vas going to be allowed that xoula also
nave some determination on the road sridth. He stated there were variables that
could be looked into.
Mr. I,angenYeld rei'erred the Commi.ssion to page 6 of the minutes of the Planning
Commission meeting of June 9, 1976, and said Mr. }3ergman's statement in the 6th
paragraph very clearly expressed his feeling at this time. He asked if they
were supposed to make a policy statemenL or just agree �.rith what they had read,
Mr. Bergman said that he and Chairperson Harris had discussed this and agreed
• that a policy�statement should be presented from this Commission to identify
and rein£orce the propriety of standards. He suggested the following in addition
to what Mr. Colbert had de£ined:
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Heavy Industrial Park
Municipal State Aid Street
Arterial & Collector Residential
S e 2ected or Probl.em Areas
50� curb to curb - 66� right-oY-way
44' curb to curb - 60� right-of-way
36 � curb to curb (providing parking
on both sides} _ 50' right-of-way
31� curb to curb (parking on one side) -
L5� right-of-way
Mr. Langenfeld asked if the last one was more in 2ine with something like lnns-
bxvck, and Mr. Boardman said it would be. He said that due to the development
of the terrain, it might be such that those structures could not be shifted and
still preserve the character oF the development. He stated in that case a smaller
street width would be appropriate� and added that another thing to consider was
if the road was concrete.
Chairperson Harris said he thought some mention should be made of that. He
stated it seemed to him that under certain circumstances it would be to ihe
city�s advantage to have the concrete streets. He continued that in those cases
where there was a narrow street and parking was restricted, or if there was a
problem area for one reason or another, he thought they should seriously
think alaout going to concrete streets. He added that they may cost more to
begin with, but in the long run the streets last longery maintenance is much
less, plus there is a better driving surface.
Mr, Bergman said they had gotten down to a 31' curb to curb width which provides
for parking on one side and asked iS there should be consideration for a
narrower street than that withi.n a standard. Chairperson Harris replied that
he felt under certain circumstances there could be� but there would have to be
a couple of criteria met. F'irst of all, he said, there conld be no on-street
parking; and secondly, he thought they should be concrete streets. N,r, Boardman
said he felt a narrow sireet like that should not be in a residential area
because of parking� and Mr. Harris said the problem was that they had already
done it. He cited Innsbruck as an example, where even the private roads were
set up �rith a 24� driving surface. Air. Boardman said that if they did go to
a residential area with a 2!t' street with no on-street parking, it should be
similar to what they did in Minneapolis with their parkway system. He continued
that in a residential area pull-o£fs should be provided to al2ow f'or some off-
street parking. Mrs. Uabel asked about snow plowing, and Mr. Boardman said he
didn�t think there was much oP a problem.
Mr. Bergman stated he was trying to think of a case where that would be done,
if not in residentia].. Certainly it wouldn't be in industrial, he said. Mr.
Boardman said the only place he could think of would be perhaps a service road
into a park area. He said another thing it would do is narrox the road enough
so it wouldn�t be used as a dragstrip, and added that if on-street parking wasn't
needed there was no sense in going with a wider road.
Mrs. Uabel said she felt it was time some firm policy was set up and that it not
be so negotiable. Mr. Langenfeld said he was very concernad a»d thought the
citq should stick to its guns as far as the standard was concerned.
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MOTIOW by Bergcnan, seconded by Langen£eld� that the Planning Commission announce
� to the City Council and to the City Administration their concern for standardiaation
of street widths, and recommend to Council the adoption of street width policy
as follows:
Heavy lndustrial Park
Fiunicipal State Aid Street
Arterial & Collector Residential
Selected or Problem Areas
Service Drives
50' curb to curb - 66� right-of-way
!�� curb to curb - 60� right-o£-way
36' curb to curb (providing parking on
both sides} - 50� right-oS-rray
31' curb to curb (parking on one side) -
1t5� right-o£-way
24' curb to curb (no oarking} - t�0�
right-of-way
It is the intention of the Planning Commission that these standards be adhered
to�i.n any considerations and recommendations involving street widths.
Mrs. Uabel asked what criteria would be used to determine selected or problem
areas� and Mr, Petersen suggested it would be vrell to strike the selected or
problem areas from the motion. He suggested har:dling anything that was a unique
situation as it came up� and thought the,y should come before the various
Commissions and be debated on the merits o£ that particular street. Mr. Boardman
said if this was established as policy� they could then request a variance from
this and go through that procedure.
Mr. Bergman agreed that the label "selected or problem areas" wa_s a bad c?�oice,
� and suggested ihe term "limited parking". Mr. Harris suggested saying 31� and
21t' streets with variance� but Mr. Bergman said he was thinking that in some
cases a 31' with parking on one side would be the proper street width, and it
wouldn't make sense that there would have to he a variance for that.
Mr, Petersott said that in all the areas in Fridley that had a J1� street with
parking on one side, he was not sure he lme�a of any area where it really £it in.
Therefore, he continued, the 31� and 2!�' streets should require a variance because
it should be a special use for a speciFic purpose, hlr. Harris said then if one-
side parki.ng was desired� it could be stipulated at the time o£ the variance
process.
Mr. Bergman ATfENDED the MOTtON to delete the Selected or Problem Areas and
Service Drives, and add the following: In special situations 31� curb to curb
(115� right of' way) or 2!�' curb to curb (1y0� right-of-way)� requiring a variance
request. Seconaed by Langen£eld,
UPON A VQIGE VUTE, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
9. COnTINUID: RECOTSMENDATIONS ON HUMAN DEVELOPI�tENT UOALS ANA OBJECTIVES
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Cormnission table
this subject until the next scheduled meeting.
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ADJOURt�MENT
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MOTLON by Uabel� seconded by Sergman, that the meeting be adjourned. U��on a
voice vote� aIl voting 2ye, Chazrperson Harris declared the Planning CorNnission
meeting of June 23, 1976 adjourned at 22:17 A.M. by unanimous vote,
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PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
JUNE 14, 1976
Bob Peterson, Dave Harris, Leonard Moore, Jan Seeger
Harvey Wagar
None
OTHERS PRESENT: Jerrold Boardman - Ci[y Planner
Robert Divine - Citizen
Kathy Divine - Citizen
Ed Dunn, Chamber of Commerce
Chairperson Bob Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. It was the
consensus of the Commission to set a recess time of 4:30 p.m.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The Cmqmission agzeed to only discuss the two items on the agenda;
1. REVXEW FLOW CHI+RT FOR COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAN
2. DiSCUSSION ON PR0.TECT COPPfITTEES
REVIEW FZOW CHART FOR COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAPi
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This special Parks & Reczeation Commission meeting was called by Bob Peterson
at the recommendation of Jerrold Boardman, to go through the Parks & Recreation
Comprehensive Park Plan Flav Chart and to look at the possibilities of establishing
some neighborhood project committees. Mr. Boardman stated that on the flow chart,
they are lookinq at a possible time period of the Comprehensive Park P1an of 12/20/76
for the City Council. He said this had been revised somewhat after finding out that
the Parks & Recreation Commission had already set up a projecC committee for the
overview of recreational needs. The Commission wi21 look at the recreational programs
suggested by this project committee and see how these programs relate to the citizen's
needs. He said that the staff did an analysis of what they thought were feasible
recreation neighborhoods and came up with 13 neighborhoods. They would like to
set up some project committees in each one of the 13 neighborhoods. These project
committees would analyze recreational facilities within their neighborhoods and
indicate what they would like pYOVided for zecreation in each neighborhood. He
said that this would tie in very well with the project committee the Commnission
has set up for recreation. Hopefully, this project committee can be put together
in a couple of weeks so information can be given to the overview project committtee
and then they can come up with some ideas around the end of September or October.
He said he thinks the Commission has set a time period of the end of October for
input fraa ihe overview committee. He would recoamend that the Commission move
that time period up to the end of September to meet the December date for the
City Council.
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Some of the Commission members felt this might be a problem because of vacations,
etc., during the summer months.
Mr. Peterson also felt that it would he very difficult to move the October date
up and get the type of job done that the Co�ission really wants.
Mr, Boardman staced that they may have to set the same date for the Neighborhood
Praject Committees. Ae had anticipated the Neighborhood Project Committees'
formulation and ideas prior to the time the Commission comes in with the over-
view committee, but they should probably be brought in at the same time,
Mr. Peterson stated that tonight the Commission is,acting on;
If the Commission wants to create these Neighborhood Project Co�ittees;
we have to determine the scope of the project couunittees; and
how they are going to be formulated.
Mr. Boardman explained the solid and dotted lines on the map. The solid lines
represent neighborhoods...the dotted lines represent areas within that neighbor-
hood and should be represented as part of the neighborhood. The dotted lines
are indicated that way because of the different characteristics of the neighbor-
hood as well as the different facilities and service areas.
Mr. Boardman explained the Parks & Recreation Comprehensive Plan Flow Chart to
the Commission indicating the Parks & Recreation function, the Project Committee
fanction, public input, aild the City Staff function, Through this process, the
City Staff will be putting input into various stages of the Comprehensive Plan
attd bringing things in at various times for the Park & Recreation Co�ission's
Review.
DISCUSSION ON PRQJECT COP4ffTTEES
Mr. Boardman reviewed the purpose and scope for the Neighborhood Project Comsittees
that he had prepared for the meeting.
Mr. Aarris expressed concern about the probability oE the Commission finding
5-9 people per committee (approximately 117) people to serve on project cammittees.
Ms. Seeger asked the question of whether at any time all the project committees
could meet at the same time with the Parks & Recreation Commission. She felt it
would he of great value £or the different neighborhoods to meet to discuss.
Mr. Peterson stated that according [o the ordinance, all the project co¢mittees
thaC are created report to the Parks & Aecreation Cormnission so if the Commission
feels that at some point in time they wanted to have a meeting of every neighbor-
hood commitee it is well within the scope of this Coimnission, buh it would be the
Co�ission's determination as to what it wants to do,
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Mr. Boardman saggested that Che Parks & Recreation Commission may want eo hold
a meeting initially to give each Lieighborhood Project Committee the same direction
aad may want to monitor that direction to see how it is going.
Mr. Peterson s[ated that Che reports from the Neighborhood Project Committees
should be written up and back to the Commission and to the Recreation Project
Commi[tee no later than October 1. He said the Commission needs to have time
to digest it and do something about it, and the Recreation Project CommitCee
wants to look at it and see how it fits in with their evaluation.
Mr. Boardman stated he felt alot of it would depend on what kind of reaction the
Coaenission gets from the project coum�ittees. If the Comnission gets good response
on the project committees and things run smoothly, the October 1 date will be no
problem. But, he added, if the Commission runs into problems with the project
committees, the Commission may have to Look at a later date, Ae felt that with
the time period of February for going to the City Council, it stili allows time
to pnt together a capital improvements program to go into the next budget year.
Mr. Peterson personally felt that the Neighborhood Project Cw�mittes's reports
should he done a month ahead of the Recreation Covunittee to give the Recreation
Co�iCtee a chance to use that in their report before it comes to the Commission.
He felt that the Commission must have that one month Lag in 6etween the target
dates for Che two different groups,
• Mr. Moore asked Mr. Boardman the question that since there are only five
Commission members and 13 neighborhood areas, how would the Commission foimulate
the project committees for those areas with wuich the commission members are not
acqua3nted.
Mr. Boardman stated that the main thing in these areas is to first locate a
chairperson within each neighborhood, The chairperson may have people he would
like for his co�mmittee. A1so, Mr. Boardman said he would advertise in ehe paper
about the project committees asking for some response to either the Parks &
Recreation Coumission or to the Staff. He also stated that maybe the City Council
cauld help.
Mr. Harris had the suggesCion that maybe the Commission could take a look at.
the Overview Couanittee and in the selection of that committee, ask the members
for some suggestions as to people who live in Cheir areas.
Mr. Boardmanya}tated that other members of other covm�ission who live in certain
areas could riiaybe supply some names, too.
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Mr. Peterson stated that from a procedural standpoint what the Commission should �
do is stay with the agenda, Since the Flow Chart has been xeviewed, the Coa�ission
is now aware of what the Flow Chart is to accomplish, and the Co�ission has talked
about some dates, then the Commission should start picking some dates and work back
or else decide that it is going to have 13 Neighborhood Project Committees. If
the Commission decides that it is going to do that, it should go to the Neighbor-
hood Yroject Committee sheet as given for reviewai and either adopt or make any
additions to it as far as scope for the project committees and then the Commission
can go back to the Flow Chart and set dates. Aa felt that before the Commission
starts worrying about people, it should decide it it is really going to need them.
Mr. Harris stated he felt the only way the thing is going to get off the ground
is to work Erom a committee of one. The Parks & Recreation Commission chairperson
or the Parks & Recreation Commission should select one chairperson from each area
and let each chairperson select his own people. The Commission could give a hand
by offering zts suggestions if it knows any people.
Mr. Peterson stated that the Commission should be responsible for getting the
chairpersons for the Neighborhood Project Committees; and the Administration,
the Commission, and the Staff be responsible for at Ieast one orientation session
with these chairpersons. He feels this is a must if the project is going to get
underway. At the orientation meeting, the chairpersoas would get the scope of
their responsibilities as defined by the Commfssion, But, he added, for the
Commission to pick 7-9 people for each area,it would take until October to just
get that job done. �
MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Jan Seeger, that the Commission wi11 have
I3 Neighborhood Project Committees and that the Commission will try to select
one chairperson Erom each neighborhood project area. Upon a voice vote, all
votiag aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Moore stated he didn't feel [hat the Co�ission should determine who the
chairperson for each project committee should be. He felt the project coumittees
should pick their own chairpersons.
• Mr. Peterson pointed out that the way the ordinances are set up, he is sure that
if this Co�nission establishes project coimnittees that it has the responsibility
to see that they are chaired and moving. The ordinance was first written that
every project committee had to have a commission member act as a chairperson and
it was only after a considerable amount of debate with the City Council that the
ordinance was changed to read that the commissions may appoint a chairperson or
a canmission member can serve if they so desire, At this point in time, he
doesn't think our ordinance is realty set up to allow the Commission to create
project committees without appointing a chairperson for them.
Mr. Peterson again stated that [he Commission should decide what they want for
scope.
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� Mr. Harris stated that the Commission should make the scope as general as
possible and very basic; for instance, what do these people have in their parks,
what would they like to see, and what would they want to change in terms of
the program.
Mr. Boardman stated that it should not be so general that the Commission would
have Ghe problem of not getting enough information to get the program together,
The three areas he listed for scope were made mainLy on the basis of what he
felt was needed in order to put together a good plan and to get those people
thinking.
Ms. Seeger asked if these people would be given a cost figure so they could
determine the type of facility they could afford to put in.
Mr. Harris answered by saying that he didn't think they should be told how many
dollars. He sYated that these people should just come up with as many ideas as
they want and that the Parks & Recreation Co�ission would then set the priorities.
Ms. Seeger fe1C this was a mistake. She said she felt the decision should be
based upon money, amount of time the facility would be used, how many are going
to use it, the ages of the people in Che neighborhood; and how long will they be
able to play tennis or baseball.
. Mr. Peterson suggested that the C�+mission delete "Keeping in mind the cost/
benefit factor." in Item �3 under Scope.
Mr. Boardman stated that it was put in that way because he wanted the people to
think realistically.
Mr. Wagar stated his concern about the year-to-year budget. He said the
Commission can make all kinds of comprehensive plans and get them down in black
and white, but it is wasting its time without a financing system--eithes bonding,
capital improvements project, etc.
Mr. Boardman stated that once the Commission has a plan or set program showing
a definite need in the community and what areas are lacking or not lacking,
there is always the possibility of Federal funding, 'Ilhere is the possibility
of a bonding issue, buC it is not popular in Fridley and probably will never be.
MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore, that the Cowaission accept
the "Scope" as listed except that in Item 1 the word "existing" be inserted to
read as follows:
1. Evaluate presenC facilities for recreating services to the
neighborhood. (Keeping in mind exfsting space available on
park property.)
2. Evaluate possible changes in usage of present '€acilities, keeping in mind
� maximum use of space available.
3. Establish realistic priority listing of additional recreation needs for
the naighborhood, keeping in mind the cost/benefit factor,
Upon a voice vote, all votinq aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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Mr. Boardman stated that the Neighborhood Project Committees will be dealing
mainly with their own neighborhood and the mini-parks within their areas, Those
parks that have been designated as city-wide parks or regional parks will not
come under the jurisdiction of the Neighborhood Project Committees, The three
parks that would not be considered are Locke Park, North Park, and Islands of
Peace.
Each Conmiission member volunteered to take certain areas and try to find chair-
persons for those areas. They are as follows:
Recreation Neighborhood Areas
Harvey Wagar - 2, 6, 10, 13
Leonard Moore - 1, 3, 7
Dave Harris - 4, 7, 8, 12
Bob Peterson - 5, 9
Jan Seeger - 11 {will also submit names to the Commission
members for other areas)
MOTION hy Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the Commission will
recoum�end that the Neighborhood Project Committees be no more or no less than
5-9 members depending upon how large or small the areas are. Upon a voice vote,
aJ.l voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Boardman to make sure that an article is run in the paper �
so that any intetested citizens may respond to City Hall.
Mr. Boardman also volunheered his time to hold an orientation session for the
13 chairpersons,
ED DUNN'S PROPOSAL
Mr. Ed Dunn,Chamber of Commerce, sat in on the Parks & Recreation Cormnission
meeting for a short time to cite $ problem he has and for which he needs advice.
He stated that in January a group af people from the Fridley 49ers advised the
City that it needed a bandshell. A package was hurriedly put together because
the deadline fot state funds was February 1. On June 1, the City received a
letter from the Minnesota 1{merican Revolution Bi.centennial Commission and they
granted $5,000. This is not enough for a bandshell. Sinre then, there has
been one fund raiser which dfd noC bring i�n much money, and the portable band-
shell idea was scrapped. He stated that if the Parks & Recreation Commission
would like to consider a proposal for land or something where a matching graat
kind of tMing could be done, the $5,000 could be obtained and put into escrow
or something. He said the $5,000 is prehty well designated for a handshell as
a bicentennial projQCt. If the designation could be changed and the $5,000
could be kept, then it would go wherever it is needed--possibly to the Parks
& Recreation Commission. lie said he has also been contacted by several companies
who have an interest in �he bicentennial and, because of the graat, are willing
to assist in some areas;`
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� Mr. Peterson suggested that Mr. Dunn contact a man namerl Clark Theilmann who
spesks for several associations (hockey, softbalt, etc.). They have put
Cogether some money and a lot of people have donated free labor to put up a
building in Madsen Park. Mr. Theilmann contacted Mr. Peterson to see how the
Co�issian felt about this building accomplishing the purpose of both a waxming
house and a place for storage, This would certainly be a bicentennial project;
and, i£ it could be changed somewhat, there could be a pretty good city building
and the associations in town could have their storage facilities all in the
same building.
Mr. Harris stated that he had talked to several members of the Lion's Club and
he felt they would be in favor of supporting a project of that type.
Other suggestions mentioned were the new bikeway system and thaC the nature
study people are always looking for help.
Mr. Dunn stated that if the Commission has any further ideas that they call him
at the office.
Mr. Petexson asked that further discussion of Dunn's proposal be put on the
agenda £or the June 28, 1976, meeting.
• MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Aarvey Wagar, to adjourn the meeting at
4:27 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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June 15, 1976
MEMBERS PRESEr'T; James Langenfeld, Bruce Peterson, Lee Ann Sporre,
Mike Paripovich, Brother Thomas Sullivan
NEMB�RS ABSfirrf; None
OTHERS PRESENT: Steve 01son - Environmental Officer
Dave Johnson - Boy Srout
Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
APPROV�I. OF MINUTES OF MAY 18 1976, FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMPIISSZON ?`:EETING:
MOTION by Brother Sullivan, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to approve the minu[es
as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
ELECTION OF VICE-CHASRPERSON:
MOTIOV by Mike Paripovich, seconded Ly Brother Sullivac, that brucz Ferersen
Ue rominated for Vice-Chai:person. Upoa a voice ;ote, all veting aye, the
motion carried unani�ous:y.
REVIEW PL�aNNING C�P@1ISSION ON itEPLACING CHPs'TFR 212, MI2dII3G S4ND A:� GRAVEL,
WITH CHAPTER 70 OF THE li.B,C.
DSr. Langenfel�' read the last pazagraph of Page 15 of the Planning Couwiission
Meeting Minutes of May 19, 1976:
"Mr. Langenfeld stated that ordinances were difficult things for an}�
commission to analyze and submit an intelligent recommendation on, and
it was made more difficult when inappropriate recommendations were
made from $taff. He said tnat frcm now on they would analyze these
as a Commission and act on that basis."
Mr. Langenfeld said he was not his intention to attack Staff. He had just felt
that the Environmental Commissiou had handled it properly, it was resolved at
the Planning Commission, and then the Planning Co�issinn gave it right back
to the Environmental Commission. He stated, in reading the Planning Commission
minutes, that it is found that the U.B.C. 70 chapter is separate and completely
remote from the Mining Sand and Gravel ordinance. The reason the Coum�ission is
not supposed to SeC involved is because of the fact tl�at there are so many
amendments in that code it would virtually be impossible for commissions to get
involved.
Mr. Olson asked if this wasn't the recommei�dation of the Planning Commission to
adopt the U.B.C. code as it was.
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Mr. Langenfeld replied, yes, but the thing is again that the U.B.C, Chapter 70
is already in the building code and now the Planning Commission wants the
Environmental Cormnission to handle Chapter 212,Mining Sand and Gravel. He would
like Che Commission to 6ear in mind from now on that when it rece;ves these
ordinances that the Commission look at them strictly and solely on an environmental
basis, With Mining Sand and Gravel, he said il- is [rue that the Commission
thought this thing wasn't the best taut now the Conunission must study it and look
it over and bear in mind, whenever exca•iating of black dirt, etc., is done, that
the Commission should be aware of the condition of the area before the excavating
was started. He Eee1s that the Em�ironmental Coimnission should submit its
secommendations to the Planning Commission.
Mr, Langenfeld read the first paragraph of Page 15 of the Planning Commission
Minutes, May 19, 1976;
"Chairman Harris read from Chapter 70 of the Uniform BuiZding Code
under Section 7003 �ohere it stated that no person shall do any
grading without first having obtained a grading permit from the
Building Official except for the following, and under Number 6
it stated: Mining, quarrying, excavating, processing, stock-
piling of rock, sand, gravel, aggregate or clay where estabLished
and provided for by law provided such operations do not a£fect
the Zat2ral support or increase the stresses in or pressure upon
a_,ry adjacent or continguous property. Iie srated L-Fat this is where
the. mining code would come into effect, as Chzp*_er 70 would cover
everything bat that.°
Mr, La:n�enfeld stated thae rioht there is the nucleus of the Environmental
Commission's d2cis4on.
Mr, Olson conmiented that, to his knowledge, Chapter 70 has not bean adopted yet.
He said he could be wrang.
Mr, Langenfeld stated that Mr. Boardman didn't want to delete. Chapter 212 -
Mining Sand & Gravel. There caere two different functions. A4ining Sand and
Gravel covers the actual commercial operation whereas U,B,C, 70 handles guide-
lines and sets forth standards for setting the grades, etc.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that what he is trying to say is that Chapter 70 takes
caze of the standards as for setting up grades, that we have our own which we
should handle as far as the Environmental Commission, and that we should completely
forget about Chapter 70.
Mr. Paripovich stated that he had understood that Chapter 212 - Mining Sand and
Gravel would cover the mining operation and Chapter 70 would cover everything else.
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Mr. Langenfeld then referred to Mr. Boardman's statement from the Planning
Commission minutes, May 19, 1976:
"Mr. Boardman explained they were talking ahout two separate things.
He said they were adopting Chapter 7Q of the U,B.C, as a document
to'fit into the building code, He further explained that the building
code operation was separate from the actual zoning code operation
which controlled lands; and the building code was for actual detailing
of construction of buildings. He said the reason this doesn't go to
the Planning Commission is because they would be bogged down as there
are constant amendments."
Mr. Paripovich asked Mr. Olson to explain the "reason this doesn't go to the
Planning Commission is because......". He wondered what "this" referred to.
Mr. Olson said it referred to U,B,C, 70 and that there are continual changes in
the U.B.C, as per state code. If the Cocmnission adopts U.B.C, 70, he said they
would automatically adopt any changes that are incotgorated into it. He felt
that would be the best way; otherwise you get tied up in any word change or
small change that would come through.
Mr. Paripovich stated that he didn't have the same understanding. He had under-
stood that there was no language existing to cover these operations at the time,
and ttie search for neca language to cover a11 the other eventualities the Commission
would take from Chapter 70 and incorporate it into our Log--not with any connec-
tion with U.B.C, or anything else; just that now it would be part of our code
and until the City amended it, it would stay as is.
Mr. Langenfeld corrected Mr. Paripovich's statement by stating that Chapter 70
has already been proposed so this thing is already unamended, What we have to
do as a Commission is make the necessary changes needed or wanted for this
particular mining portion.
Mr. Langenfeld said it was his understanding that Chapter 70 would be incorporated
no mattes what and would be the guideline regardless.
Mr. Ol�on suggested that, since this is a permit to mine, the Environmental
Commission should put some stipulations on the permit and maybe one of those
stipulaCions would be that the operation be conducted as per Chapter 70.
Mr. Langenfeld stated his idea was perhaps, first of all, to alter the tiCle of
Chapter 212; secondly, to bear in mind that if there is any "strip-mining" that
the property or land be restored to its original condition. He said his feeling is
that the Commission should really look at changing the Mining Sand & Gravel.
Maybe at this time it could be changed to "Excavating and Grading" even though
that is part of the title of U,B.C. 70.
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Mr. Paripovich stated that Chapter 70 is to go into the building code and cover
all l-he liCtle stuff--anything except mining, excavating (large scale) land
moving operations. He would suggest Chat we consider establishing guidelines
as to what is a mining operation and the Environmental Commission or some other
commission should review these applications individually to determine what is
mining in the City of Fridley.
Mr. Langen£eld thought Mr. Paripovich's statement was good and that there the
Commission could actually incorporate this into Chapter 212. He feels that is
what the Planning Commission wants from the Environmental Commission.
Mr. Olson stated that basically what is needed in Chapter 212 is a little bit
of shifting-- maybe some statement about what the condition of the land is
going to be like after it is done. Maybe the Commission could expand a little
on the application_
Brother Sullivan pointed out 212.03, item h:
h) At the end of each season's operations and no later than the Last
day of December of eacfi year, the pit is to be left in a neat and
orderly condition, with reasonably uniform slopes without over-
T�ng and without vertical banks and with a level bottom.
Mr. Paripovich read Section 7003 of Chapter 70 and stated that the definition
of mining is right there. After reading that section, he said it made it more
clear to him that it is definitely for building and he feLt excavating and
grading was of a lesser degree than actual mining, To simplify this, he stated
that the Commission should set aside Chapter 70 as a building code as it was an
accepted thing by the City and have Chapter 2Z2 as a means of controiling any-
thing that falls under Item 6. Mr. Paripovich stated that Mr. Boardman had a
good point when he said we are accepting major land change operations and we
will be taking Chapter 70 on as our building code, Properly we shouldn't be
considering land moving operations in our building code. He said we need some-
thing to cover that and Chapter 212 would do the job. Any operations fatling
under Item 6 of Section 7003 should be covered by the existing ordinance 212.
•Mr. Langenfeld stated he still felt that the Commission should go through
Chapter 212 paragraph by paragraph, bearing in mind Item 6 of Section 7003.
Maybe an idea or proper wording might come about that way.
Mr. Langenfeld then read 212.01 - Mining Permit Required:
"A mining permit shall be applied for and shall be issued by the Zoning
Administrator for the mining of sand, gravel, rocks, minerals, peat or
dirt of any kind in Fridley where such operations will substantially
alter the existing ground contour or would change existing drainage or
would cause flooding or erosion or where dynamite or other explosives
are used generally or incidenhally in said mining operations or where
such operations affect the value, use and enjoyment of other property
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Mr. Langenfeld asked the question that at this point does this type of operation
really take place.
Mr. Olson answered, yes, and related some of the operations going on right now--
one of which is Northern States Power. He felt that the defini[ion should be
changed, Excavations of any remaining sand and gravel and that type of operation
are not covered in Chapter 212. Mining and stockpiling should be considered also.
He also felt these operations should be handled individually and a pernit process
should go through some covrtnission or public hearing of seme kind other than
having the Zoning Administrator have sole res.ponsibility.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that this thing can be a visual thing, too, and can
visually be unfit environmentally when starting with land fill. From the
Commission's standpoint, he feels that a mining permit should not be issued until
it is studied and approved by this Commission.
The Commission members agreed.
Mr. Olson suggested that Mr. Langenfeld alter that statement by saying that the
gexmit would first go to the Environmental Commission for recommendation and
then to the Planning Commission for approval or disapproval.
Mr. Paripovich suggested as an Item 4 under Section 212.03:
4. received approval from the Fridley Environment-al Co�nission
Mr. Olson felt it would be better to insert a statement like that right in the
beginning under 212.01, buC didn't know if it should be the FridLey Environmental
Commfssion firsC or the Planning Commission £irst. �
Mr. Langenfeld felt that the Zoning Administrator portion of 212.01 caas fine.
He sCated that maybe under the application itself, the Commission could put in:
"any person desiring a permit should submiC a written application setting forth
the following facts and then these facts be presented to the proper commissions."
Then, the Environmental Commission could stay away from the issuance of the
permit itself as far as the Zoning Administrator is concerned.
Mr. Langenfeld suggested to the Commission that it should entertain a motion
st3pulating that any mining o£ sand or gravel must be referred to the Environ-
mental Commission. If the Planning Commission agreed to this motion, then it
would go on record that any form of mining of sand and gravel would have to
come to this Commission before this particular permit could be granCed.
MOTION by Mr. Paripovich, seconded by Brother Sullivan, that until Chapter 212
is revised, the Fridley Environmental Commission requests that operations which
fall into that category sgecified by Chapter 212, the plans for these operations
be reviewed by the Fridley Environmental Commission and recommendation be
received from Che Fridley Environmental Commission prior to issuance of a permit,
Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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The Commission membezs agreed to study.Chapter 212 and bring back their
recommendations for hhe next meeting.
Mr. Olson suggested that the Commission members study at- least these three
documents; U.B.C. 70, Chaptet 212 - Mining Sand and Gravel, and the Golden
Valley ordinance. He mentioned he would make any copies that were necessary,
and would bring copies of current application forms to the next meeting. He
also stated that he caould like stockpiling, fill operations, and zoning to be
considered.
Mr. Olson noticed that in Section 212.04 �,t seemed inconsistent for the City
Council to be involved. He thought maybe that could be changed to the Planning
Commission.
t�(OTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, that Steve 01son be
directed to report to the rridley Environmental Commission at the next month's
meeting the number of people who are currently handling operations which fa2Z
uader Chapter 212, whether or not those parties have permit; and,if not, what
the City will be doing about it, Upon a voice vote, aZl voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
MOTLQN by Bruce Feterson, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that this discussion be
tabled until the neat month's meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the
moticn c3rried unaninously.
Brother Sullivar, stated that. the Commiss;.on should makz kaewn to the Planniag
Commission that the Enviroamental Com�nission inten.ds to make recommendations or
rev'isions on Chapter 212 - riining Sar.d z.nd Gravel.
1�Ls. Sporre stated Lhat, oL-her than CHnapter 212, she would like to include other
things at the next meeting which are pertinent--that this phase is only one
parL' of the stewardship of 1and, She felt grade change, iill, complete amiihi-
lation of vegetation ought to be addressed in some way.
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that Steve Olson report
back to the Environmental Commission at the next meeting on when Land Alteration
Chapter 53 was taken out of code, the date it was done, who did it, and the
reason it was taken out. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
REVIEW SECTION 205.02, PARAGRAPH 28, OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE: HOME OCCUPATION,
BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF SOME HOME DCCUPATIONS ON THE RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD
Air. Langenfeld stated that what he thinks the �nvironmental Commission is asked
to do is try to provide any direction as far as some of the accessory buildings
or any other form of home occupation that is definitely out of the ordinary in
relation to secondary or incidental usa�e of the dwelling. A11 the Commission
is looking at this for is to see if there are any comments on the environmental
impact oi home occupations on the neighborhoods.
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Mr. Paripovich stated that he was assuming that the intent was that we don't
want an occupation that in some way alters the nature of the neighborhood or
has an affect on any adjoining property. He feels it is an unnecessary
restrictive to say that if the occupation is conducted in an accessory building
it is automatically illegal. He understands that it is in the code and maybe
that is needed, too, but if the occupation isn't noticeable and is of the nature
to be conducted in the garage rather than in the house, he cannot see anything
wrong with an occupation being conducted in the garage. On the other hand,
there are occupations that meet a11 the requirements of the code and yet are
detrimental to the neighborhood.
NLs. Sporre as'.:ed Mr. Olson if the City Council had final jurisdiction in inter-
preting whether an occupation was a problem in the neighborhood.
Mr. Olson stated that as a City employee he is charged with enforcing City
ordinances. Once in awhile he gees very hung up on arbitrarily saying someone
can or cannot do things. It might seem right at the time and they want to do
it, but the code doesn't agree. A very good case would be the person who is
operating out of his gnrage and, if another person is upset enough about it and
has 6ack�round showing whatever is in the garage, Mr. Olson said he couldn't see
how the City Council could waive it, He stated that as a City employee he can
be attacked by someone in the community and sued for not doing his job so when
complaints come to him he must go by the code.
Brether Sullivan stated that the spirit of the law is to prevenC a loe of
business developing in residential areas which are going to affect the quality
of the area. The letter of the 1aw states as it is here. If anyone does register
a complaint about so:neone, then by law the City most go to them and try to come
to some solution.
Mr. Langenfeld made a statement to the Commission and asked for their co�ents:
"If and when a home occupation is no longer in harmony with the
surrounding neighborhood and impairs the environment, the Environ-
mental Commission prefers to have such a problem referred,to it."
He stated that perhaps this Commission could Look into citizen complain:s prior
to their goirg to another commission.
Ms. Sporre stated that there should be some method of tempering the words of
this code or a better interpretation of it for a better decision to te made
on whether it is a home occupation or not. Maybe the commission zaho should
handle this is the Appeals Commission.
Brother Sullivan said he preferred, in some cases, to see the garage included as
pare of the home occupation.
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Mr. Langenfeld stated that this was the whole problem: Is it or is it not a
home occupation end how is this Commission to define this? How many people having
home occupations that are in complete n.on-compliance with city ordinances, staCe
insurance laws, and the City have not been found out? He feels that people should
have the right to come to this Commission with regard to these kind of home
occiipations, discuss it with this Commission, and then this Commission could make
its recommendations to the Planning Commission or other commission.
Brother Sullivan asked Mr. Langenfeld what the environmental issue was in terms
of home occupation--esthetic, visual, etc.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that it would be anything in violation of the definition
of the code. He felt the only way the Commission cauld handle this would be on
the basis of citizen's complaints as he had indicated earlier. But, then this
could oyen the door for an influx of complaints, some of which would be legitimate
but others would not be.
Ms. Sporre stated that she felt the code was a fine legal tool and that the
Commission's discussion has been empathizing with the person who has a home occu-
pation,
Mr. 0lsozi suggested that if a recommendation could be ma3e, perhaps it is in
ter.ms of altering or perc�itting a mor.e liberal interprecacion of home eccupations
that a're not a problem. It comes back to a special use perciit process wtiere the-�
would be required to have one to get their businese and would 6e reGui:ed to ha=ae
their neighbors sion a petiCi.on stating rhey do not object to this lci.nd of operati.on.
Mr. Langenfeld asked the Commissiou to cousider this staten�ent:
"At tfie point where an accessory building or any foxm of alteration
made to a dwelling warrants a special use permit due to the fact o£
home occupation, then that particular special use request ehould be
sent to the Er.vironmental Commission."
He sai3 that then this Commission would pick it up when it becomes major and Che
Commission would have something to recmimiend to the Planning Commission or any
other commission. If this Cammission reaches the point wlzere this takes place
on'the Planning Co:nmission ievel, they will more than likely send iC to the
Environmental Coumlission.
Mr. Olson again stated thaC what seems to be needed is a process whereby the
Commission can liberalize the home occupation without sacrificing or endangering
the problem of letting �aaste or raw materials or more problem-type occupations
in. The special use permit or even just a license to operate a home occupation
where they would maybe pay a fee and be inspected yearly fs the answer. What
thic would do would give the.City control.
The Commission thoroughly agreed with Mr. Olson's statement.
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MOTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, that the Fridley Environ-
mental Commission suggests that as a means of providing control over home occupa-
tions that may be illegal under the present ordinance but which probably should
be permitCed since they pose no environmental problem or other neighborhood
problem, a permit process be established. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye,
bhe motior. carried unanimously.
REPORT FROM THE EAST RIVER ROAD PROJECT COrAiITTEE
Mr. Paripovich stated that due to a abnormally high workload with his business,
he has not yet started the ball rolling as far as getting regular meeCings going.
He wanted to wait until his workload was not so heavy and he could devote more
time to iC. He stated that he had done some things on his own. Ae has been in
touch with Tom Colbert and has gotten a lot of background from the Fridley
engineers--files on the East River Road including traffic studies and what the
County is apparently telling the City of Fridley.
Mr. Paripovich said he had contacted the County Engineers but they are exceed-
ingly tightlipped. They profess to have no plans either long term or short term
on the road. They don't have drawing number one for any new development of East
River Road. He said they make you think they are not planning'anything--just
aski�ng,for money for the Osborne Road intersection. They claim they are just
going to start breaking concrete and put new concret2 docm. They won't put any-
thing in writing. He said the man he talked to was Mr. Bud P.eadipenaing. He
tried several times also to contact Mr. Pau1 Rud, soho is the Lead County Engineer.
Mr. Pa:ipovich stated that Mr. Readipenning did tell him that Coon Rapids has
raquested F.A.O. (Federal Aid to Urban) funds for Coon Rapids Boulevard but were
unable to pass. The process is this: First you request the funds, then you have
to meet all the requirements. The Coon Rapids Boulevard project is delayed r:ght
now because they cannot pass the noise level. The environmentalist thing has
really put a big snag in the project, ThaC is what can really shut the whole
project down. Mr. Paripovich stated that, as near as he can te11, projected
levels of traffic for East River Road are as great as current levels on Coon
Rapids Boulevard. He doesn't know that for sure because he can't get any figures.
In essence, he said we are talking about increasing the traffic on East River
Road to the peak of that on Coon Rapids Boulevard. Coon Rapids Boulevard is not
in canpliance and the County is projecting to do the same thing with East River
Road.
Ms. Sporre stated that the City of Minneapolis should also be contacted, asking
them how much traffic they intend to send out of the Marshall District onto
East River Road and if there �'e any major plans to extend the bus, bike, or
traffic plans to East River Road. Sf there is any information at the Metro-
Council level, they should extract Chat information and they should be aware ot
whatever the state has in store.
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Mr. Paripovich stated that when he contacted the Highway bepartment, they were
more cooperative than the county.
Mr. Paripovich staCed that he had written up some questions for the county
enginee�s:
1. What are the projected levels of traffic for East River Road for
1977, 1980, 1985?
2. Since the City of- Fridley has been instructed to acquire land on
both sides of East IZiver Road, Anoka County must have some sort
of pZans for widening the road, Sdhat are those plans?
3. Wheu is the planned widening going to take place?
4. Has eAnoka County applied for F.A.U. (Federal Aid to IIrban} funds
for widening the. road and for what year have the funds been
requested?
5. Since Aao�ca County is planning widening of the road so that it
can handle greater volumes of traffic, its engineers must meet
the current levels of lead compounds and carbon monoxiding at
the time of highest concentration along the road and of noise
pollution at the noisiest times ef the day, What are those
current leve7.s, �.%nat are the projected levels for 1�77, 1980,
1985? Wl,at are th2 acceptable levels for these accordin� to
Federal standards?
6. Whea planni.ng the future of the East ftiver P.oad, do the couaty
engineers have any knowledge oi tSe Mississippi River quarter
environmentally or the environmental protected area; and, if
so, hoco does the future of the road support that concept?
7. In improving the East River Aoad at ehe Georgetown Apartments
intersection and the East River Road-Mississippi Street inter-
section, we noticed no steps were taken to safeguard the
pedestrians and bicyclists, most of whom are juveniles. Is it
the policy of the county engineers to find the means to speed
up traffic going through Fridley wliile exposing Fridley citizens
to greater and greater risks and so forth?
8. Have the officials who consider the granting of F.A.U, (Federal
Aid to Urban) funds been informed of the hazards to pedestrians,
bicyclists, and residents East River Road creates in its
present condition and that the near term improvements planned
by Anoka County wi1l only exacerbate that hazard? (Mr. Paripovich
understands that if there is a hazard, the funds can be shut off.)
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9. Current plans fot the improvement for the East River Road-Qsborne
Road intersection indicate that more money will be spent to take
East River Road another step toward being an werloaded highway.
By speeding the flow to Osborne Road but doing nothing to improve
conditions between intersections, you obviously intend to
worsen an already bad situation. We feel that funds thus spent are not
being used in the best interest of the Fridley residents.
10. The Fridley Environmental Co�ission intends to present a report
including a written description of the Anoka County plans for
East River Road to Fridley citizens. Will you prepare a letter
for us in that presentation?
Ms. Sporre felt Mr, Paripovich's questions were too parochial--that he should
not talk so much in terms of Fridley, but just ask them if they are adequately
planning county roads.
Mr. Paripovich stated that the county is more interested in getting traffic from
Anoka through Fridley than the child on the bicycle.
Ms. Sporre asked whether Mr. Paripovich could ask the county what method they
use to determine accident rates--the number of pedestrians, the number of accidents;
the number of bicycle users, the number of accidents.
Brother Sullivan felt Mr. Paripovich`s questions were good buC needed to be
rewozked.
Mr, Langenfeld stated that the thing is that most of the questions could be the
feelings of the citizens as far as the groject committee is concerned. He also
suggested that when the letter is sent to the county, it should probably be,senC
by registered mail.
�, Paripovich said that he would try to direct these questions away from locale
�nd make it somewhat less of a political thing. It was his intent to make it
more a fact-gathering thing for now,
Mr. Olson suggested that a question about the county's final inceptions as to
what East River Road's relation is going to be to Highway �47 or Highway �65
might be good, Does the county visualize East River Road as another Highway �47
or Highway d665?
Ms, Sporre asked if Metropolitan Council could be contacted and asked if they
have the power to review, modify, and comment on these plans. The man to contact
is dohn E. Boland,
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Mr. Olson stated that maybe an environmental impact study is an oi�tion the
Commission migh[ want to consider, If it feels suffic3.ent cause, it can at
least force the county into filing a statement- that, no, there is not an impact;
on the environment.
Ms. Sporre suggested that maybe Mr. Robert Burkhardt could be contacted for his
comments on whether the environmental impact study is an option,
Before adjournment, Mr. Langenfeld stated that he would like to note that on
many occasioRS the Commission has been referred to as the Envixonmental Quality
�ommission and that is getting mixed up with the state eatvironmental commission.
He would like to see this Ccmmission referred to in the minutes and by othez•
couunissions as the Fridley Environmental Commission.
AD.70URNMENT:
MOTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, that the meeting
be adjourned at 10:40 p.m.
Respectful.ly submitted,
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PARKS AND RECREATION COMPIISSTON MEETING
JUNE 28, 1976
MEMBERS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, Dave Harris, Rarvey Wagar
MEMBERS ABSENT: Leonard Moore, Jan S'eeger
UTHERS PRESTcNT: Dan Huff- Acting Director, Parks & Recreation Department
Jerry Boardman - City Planner
Dick Lombard - H.A.F., F.Y.S.A.
Lynn Fischer - H.A.F.
Ed Wilmes - Islands of Peace
Jim Langenfeld - Chairperson of Fridley Environmental Commission
Frank Owata - 548 - 63rd Ave. N.E, 571-3362
Jim Ekman - 524 - 54th Ave. N.E, 560-4178
Marty Gavic - 141 Hartman Circle 571-1219
Bob Kelly - 6230 - 7th St. N.E. 571-1534
Joe Schleisman - 5770 Hackmann Ave. N.E. 571-8109
Harry Messick - 6257 Ben More Dr. N.E. 571-3196
Bruce Holmes - 6813 Hickory Ar. N.E. 571-b062
Tom Nehring - 291 - 67th 1ve. N.E. 786-2835
Leonard Kos - 5468 Altura Rd. N.E. 560-6081
� Chairperson Bob Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
Chairperson Bob Peterson stated that the following two items should be added to
the agenda: �
1. APPOINTMENT OF RECREATION PR0.7ECT COMMITTEE
2. ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON FOR NEXT YEAR
APPROVAI. OF MINUTES OF MAY 24, 1976, PARKS � REC1tEATION COPII�IISSION MEETING AND
MINUTES OF JUN6 14 1976 SPECTAL PARKS 6� RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING
MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to approve the minutes as
written of the May 24, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting. Upon a
voice vote, all voCing aye, the motion carried unanimously.
?fOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to approve the minutes as
written of the June 14, 1976, Special Parks & Recreation Co�ission meeting
with the suggestion for change on Item 3 of "Scope" as written on Page 5. Upon
a voice vote, all voCing aye, the motion carried unanimously.
� Mr. Peterson suggested that Mr. Harris' suggestion for change on Item 3 of
"Scope" could be brought up later in the meeting under "OLD BUSINESS".
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GUESTS
1. Frank Owata - 548 - 63rd Ave. N.E. - Disturbance from Commons Park
Mr, Owata stated that he lives on the north end of the park and has for quite
a few years. He said he has seen the problems of the park get worse and worse
and this year it is the worst. There fs no consideration for the people who
live in the park area. He complaitted of people playing horseshoe right behind
his house; he has tennis, baseball, all right there. He said he has called
Mayor Nee and Dan Huff about these problems. He said the language of the people
in the park is bad, drinking is going on, and traffic fn the parking Lot is
naisy. He said many people are now parking in front of his house and he has
had to post "no parking" signs. He felt the parking lot shouLd have been in
tl�e center of the park. He complained of the Satellite "outhouses" and the
trash blowing around. He feels the layout o£ the park is very poor. He said
he will call Mayor Nee every night, knock on doors, get petitions, anything
he can, to get some improvements made. lie said there is just no Iet-up in
the activities; they go year round,
Mr. Peterson suggested that Dan Huff check with the Public Safety Director
to see what his reco�endation wouLd be for posting "Resident Parking Only"
signs on 63rd Avenue.
Mr. Huff stated the dxinking was at a very low level--the park is patrolled
at least thxee times a night with the Park Ranger. Whenever there is a
complaint, the police go right in and stop it.
Mr. Ekman said that he undetstood that the horseshoers were to be moved this
year on top of Che hiil, but there wasn't enough time. They should be moved
by next year.
Mr. Huff stated that they considered the green Satellite buildings to be fairly
reasonable buildings. More permanent facilities could he put in except for
the cost. Mr, Huff also stated that there is no privacy fence between the park
and the homeowners but that most of the homeowners have put up their own
•privacy fences.
Mr. Peterson again stated that Mr. Huff would check about the posting of
"Resident Parking Only" signs on Mr. Owata's stteet (63rd Avenue}, He said he
is suxe that it is not going to be possible with the demands on the Parks &
Recreation Department to cancel the activities in Commons Park, so the
Commission will have to try to find some suitabLe arrangement to be a gaod
neighbor to the neighbors surrounding the park property, Commons happens to
be the big city park where these kinds of activities take place,
Mr. Peterson asked if Staff had any recommendations at this time or if they
would like to come back at the ttext meeting with some.
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Mr. Huff stated that they would check to see if there is any excessive beer
drinking going on. He would check on the trash. He didn't have any other
complaints and felt the place was kept very clean. They would look into all
these items right away and see if there is anything that can be done.
Mr. Owata again stated that he felt the lay-out of the park is very poor--
that the parking Lot should have been in the center of the park.
Mr. Peterson stated that there were some very valid reasons for the park lay-out.
The park was laid out so that the activities move out toward the center of the
field rather than having some youngster or adult running across the street. The
park was laid out in such a way as to utilize the acreage that was availabie.
There might 6e a conflict between those living around the park and those using
iC. He said Mr. Owata's statement that no consideration was given to those
living around the park is not true as the park was laid ouC with a definite
plan in mind to get Che maximum use of the acreage available.
Mr. Owata asked if there had been any thought given to a privacy fence being
put up along the north side.
Mr. Peterson stated that this is certainly something thaC can be considered
by Staff, but that aC the next meeting they hope to have some reports and more
Co work with to come up with some kind of solution.
Mr. Harris agreed that the privacy fence for a sound barxier should be considered.
Mr. Petetson thanked Mr. Owata for coming and told him a report would be sent
to him, Mr. Peterson invited Mr. Owata to come back to the July 26, 1976, Parks
& Recreation Commission meeting when this matCer would again be put on the agenda.
Mr. Peterson told Mr. Owata that the Conmission memhers would make a point of
going to the park (particularly on Monday and Thursday evenings when Mr, Owata
said it is the worst).
Mr, Peterson asked that a note be attached to Mr. Moore's and Ms. Seeger's
copies of these minutes that they be encouraged to visit the park also on a
�Monday or Thursday evening.
2. Dick Lombard - 6321 Monroe Street N.E. - H.A.F. Storage Building
Mr. Lombard was in attendance again about the proposed storage building for the
s[orage of Hockey Association equipment. Mr. Lombard said he had checked with
Hr. Dan Huff as far as other sites for this storage building and all they could
find was behind Columbia Arena; but because of the excavation that would have
to be done, it was not feasible. So, they came back to Co�nons Park. He said
Mr, Huff had suggested that in Crn�anons they could add on to either one of two
existing we11 houses at the end of the park. There is a service road leading
to them so there would be an open road year around and this would eliminate
b�ilding one wall of the storage building. He said Mr. Huff had even suggested
the possibility of making the building larger and including space for the parks
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to keep their lawn cutting equ�pment. He said he talked to members of his �
conanittee aboUt [his and Ron Pearson, who will be heading the construction
project,and all of them feel this falls in fairly well except for one problem; ,
bricking. He said they can get a Iot of volunteer help from the different
organizations as far as using shovels, mixing mud, hauliag blocks, etc., but
when it gets down to putting on finished brick, there are about three people
who are qualified to do that type of work. Also, there is the problem of time.
With block building, these men will be contributing about two weekends (or 4
days) of their time and to add brickwork, it adds on about another four week-
ends. There is scaffolding involved and it is their own scaf£olding they use
on the job. It can't be left. He said Dan Huff had mentioned that if the
building was made Larger and storage space was made for the City that possibly
the City would help. Mr. Lombard sa�d they went into the fact, if they were
td brick, of possibly paying people, but this would increase everything up
close to $2,000 more. He said what they are Zooking for from the Commission
are some suggestions as to where they go from here.
Mr. Wagar stated that if the Hockey Association is going to build a building
with donation and give it to the City, he thinks the City should be able to
brick the building, pay for the brick,and pay for the labor.
Mr, Huff stated that it would certainly be jus�ified if the ctcy could park their
lawro c�;itting tractors in the building and save the haaling back and forth of
the equipment. They could use it as part of the rationale for putting the �
bnilding in, He said he had put in $Z,000 in the preliminary budgetfor the
siding of this building. He said $2,000 might be more realistic and the
Commission may want to change that,
Mr. Harris agreed with Mr, Wagar and he said delays are not going to improve
the situation, He felt they should minimize the cost by not getting all our
engineering and labor involved in the building as that seems to add 25% to the
cost. He felt there were many people qualified to help do some of the work.
Mr. Lombard asked Mr. Huff how much space the lawn cutting tractors would
require.
Mr. Huff stated about 16-18 feet in length by 5 feet in width would be adequate.
Mr. Lombard stated that then they would want a building 24 x 30 going another
6 feet to take care of the City�s requirements. He said their thoughts were to
wall the building down the middle with two separate doors.
Mr. Peterson pointed out that with the storage of the tractors and gasoline,
that from a fire standpoint, a fire wall would be needed.
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� Mr. Huff stated that we don't have to stay wiCh the idea of storing equipment--
it was just one idea for rationale. He said we have a lot of recreational
pro�rams where we store all the equipment and we provide all the equipment.
So, we have to have storage for that equipment. Aere is an associ.ation that we
are involved in but don't get involved with the storage of equipmenC. He said
we are not look£ng to take over more and more of what the associations are
doing. And, yet a small expenditure of $1,000 or $1,800 Co make a facility
that would be compatible with what we have and provide storage, to him it is
not hard to justify on an iCem basis. The only time it cames up is when someone
else comes in and wants sanething for $1,000 and has been waiting for a year.
Then, he said,they have to decide where the priority is.
Mr. Peterson stated he has been in Fridley since 1969 and every year the argument
ha� cane up about storage space for the sports associations so they have been
waiting for at least seven years.
Mr. Harris asked what the cost would be to go the additional six feet on the
storage building.
Mr. Wager estimated approximately $700 with the brick3ng and volunteer help
and about $400 without the bricking.
The suggestion was made to use the additional six feet for a permanent bathroom
facil.itp.
• Mr. Harris said he would like to get this thing resolved, He said there is a
justification if we can utilize some of the space because we are getting space
by cost on the basis of free labor. He said he would like to see a motion made
approving a plan that would allow the t�ssociation to build a building 24 x 30
and prepare the building for bricking at a later date (the bricking would be
the City's responsibility),
Mr. Wagar stated he was in favor of a motion such as Mr. Harris had pzoposed
but the suggestion of putting in a bathroom was of real interest to him. It would
he on the end of the park where it would be needed and maybe the City could take
a look at it.
Mr. Lombard suggested that if a bathroom facility was to be included, the first
well house rather than the second one should be used. The bathroom facility
would save a lot of pzoblems on the north end of the park, not only in the
su�er with the softball, buC in the fall when Satellites have to be brought in
for football.
Hr. Petetson stated that if Mr. Owata did call Mayor Nee every night as he had
said and maybe sane of the other councilmen, they might be very sympathetic to
investing sane money to get some permanent baChroom £acility in that area. In
the long run, for the utilization of Commons Park, he feels that the 6 x 24 to
be utilized for a permanent bathroom facili[y would be a higher priority item
than the City's storage of lawn cutting equipment.
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MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the Parks & Recreation
Commission concure with the Hockey AssociaCion and the Fridley Youth Sports
Asaociation to build a building in Commons Park, 24 x 30, 24 x 24 to be utilized
by the Assocfations for storage of their equipment and 6 x 24 to be used by the
City Eor permanent hathroom facilities. The building is to be deeded to the
City and leased back to these associatioas tor $1.00 a year with a 20 year
lease and 20 year option to be renewed at the same price. The City will brick
the building and preparation for bricking of the building will be done at the
same time the blocks are laid. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
Mr. Tom Nehring sat in on the meeting to site the problem of the sprinkler at
Commons Park pu7.ling up the linoleum in the concession trailer, The wood is
rotting and it has become quite a problem.
Mr. Huff stated that last year the problem was solved by hanging a tarp on the
fence to bl4ck the spray. That will be tried again. It that doesn't work, the
head on the sprinkler a�uld be changed.
Seven people Mr. Wagar had contacted by telephone to serve on the Neighborhood •
Project Committees were in attendance. Mr. Wagar had invited them to the
Yarks & Reczeation Commission meeting so they could learn a Iittle of what was
involved in the Neighborhood Project Cov�ittees.
Mr. Peterson explained to the gentlemen that after the 13 chairpeople and their
committees are formed, with 5-9 members in each committee, the plans are to have
a meeting wfth Mr. Dan Huff, Acting DirecCor of the Parks & Recreation Department,
and M�. Jerry Boardman, City Planner, and any commissioners who want to attend
to give assignments to be looked at by the Neighborhood Project Committees.
The committees can do some things on their own, but there will be three or four
�specific things they will be asked to look at, He said they would be contacted,
hopefully, by the second week in July to try to estabZish a meeting date and
time that would be convenient to a11 the members.
Mr. Harris s[ated that the anticipated plan for these 13 project co�ittees
is to get down to the grass roots to find out what the people living in these
areas and using the facitities in these areas think their parks ought to have,
what programs they can have within the framework of their parks, and whatever
other comments they might have. The Commission hopes to get some input. iJhen
Che Commission gets this feedback, it will help the Commission to be bet[er
budge[ planners as it goes along.
Mr, Gavic expressed his concern about whether these project committees were just
going to go through the motions or if something would actualty be done as a
result of Chem, �
Mr. Wagar suggested looking at the three items listed under "Scope". He said
Mr. Boardman had said if things were put down in a comprehensive p2an, then the
financing would come.
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Mr. Langenfeld brought up the fact that he found wiCh the Fridley Environmental
Commission's project committees that they got a more favorable response when
they said they represenCed a specific com�ission rather than saying they were
just a project co�ittee. People are turned off by that. He brought that up
only as a point of interest.
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Mr. Peterson sta[ed that a session will be held for the chairpeople with
definite assignmenCS and questions, etc „ so when all these come back written
up for the Parks & Recreation Commission, they will be somewhat in the same
format in terms of compiling i± inCo the city project. At the same time, there
will he a Recreation Project CommiCtee for the city. This committee will be
evaluating just the recreational program (everything from hockey to horseshoe
to ballet dancing) and will operate at the same time. Their report wi11 come
in one month after the reports from the Neighborhood Project Committees so
they can look at the Neighborhood Project Committees' recommendations in terms
of writing up their report and turning that into the Parks & Recreation
Commission. Ultimately, all these go to the City Council. All of the things
the project com�ittees will be doing will go through Parks & itecreation �ommission
to Planning Commission to City Council, and it will be part of the public hearing
and action the City Council takes in terms of parks and recreation for our city.
He stated that timewise we hope to have it to the City Council in its final
form with the public hearings, etc., required by law by February. The Neighbor-
hood�E�oject Co�ittees' reports are to be in by October, the Recreation Project
. Committee`s reporC by November, then to Planning Commission and public hearings
and City Council by February.
Mr. Harris pointed out that the chairpeople are requested to come to the
meeting buC that any comm3ttee members are encouraged to come also.
Mr. Wagar thanked all the gentlemen £or coming.
ISLANDS OF PEACE REPORT
Mr. Ed Wilmes stated that a month ago, they were asked to meet with Onan Cor-
poration to present some plans outlining the Islands of Peace program and they
did meet with them. Last Friday, he said a group of 20 people from the Sister
Kenny Institute visited the island and used the facilities on the island. So,
Loday, the Islands of Peace received a letter from Onan Corporation. Mr. Wilmes
then read the letter to the Coumiission.
Mr. Wilmes said that what they are trying to do is,whenever they have groups
making visitations to the island, to invite such organizations and industries
such as Onan Corporation. Tomorrow, he said, they will have a group from the
State Hospital in Cambridge and Medtronic will be there about the same time.
He feels this is on-the-spot evidence, This is the kind of involvement they
feel can get them i�nediate federal funding. He said they wen[ hefore the City
Council a co�ple of weeks ago. They had to do this iumediately hecause of the
time elemen[ in this advocation set out by the different £ederal agents for
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are available mostly for local projects so they had to make a decision because
they cannot apply and receive both, that is, they cannot apply 1oca1 projects
against regional. He said for the last year, they have been making presenta-
tions and saying they definitely have a regional significance. He feels that
today they presented enough evidence to the Metro-Council that suppotts this.
Ae said they went before the City Council and asked for a letter from the
City Council and they instructed Mr. Dan Huff to write this letter which he
did. The:�, they met with the Parks & Recreation Director of the County of
Anoka, Mr. Dave Jorgeson, Mr. lorgeson very enthusiasticatly said, yes, they
wovld deEinitely make some input to the different meetings now that the
Islands of Peace definitely has regional significance. Of all the letters
presented to the Metro-CounciZ today, he said the letter from the Sister Kenny
Institute spelled out the best the fact that Istands of Peace is definitely
r�+gional.
Mr. Wilmes stated that he had talked to Mr. Don Davidson, who has been very interested
in the Isiands of Peace,because the parks in the state now are going to be going
to the Legislature and asking for more funds to be appropriated throughout the
state to maice more parks accessible to the handicapped and elderly. Mr. Wilmes
said that Mr, Davidson said that the Is2ands of Peace is definitely the pilot
project because the Islands of Peace shows how these people can utilize the
facilities that are available.
Mr. Wilmes stated that there is a meeting coming up on luly 13, 1976, that is
going to be held before the Metro-Council Parks and Open Space Commission. The
Metro-Council and Metropolitan Parks and Open Spaae Commission are in the process
of decLaring a regional plan for speciaZ use and recreation areas an an amendment
to the region and recreatiott for space ptan. Special uses are areas or facilities
which provide specialized or single purpose recreational activities. The region
plan will include those special uses which provide a regional service. He said
he talked to Mr. Boardman and Mr, $oardman definitely will get them a place on
the agenda.
MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Aarvey Wagar, to accept the Onan Corporation
letter'and Mr. Wilmes' report. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
�carried unanimously.
Mr, Peterson thanked Mr. Wilmes for his presentation.
APPOINTMENT OF RECREATION PRQTECT CQI+fNIITTEE
Mr. Peterson read the motion from the May 24, 1976, Parks & Recreation
Commission meeting minutes, page 10:
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"MOTION by Harris, seconded by Moore, that a Recreation Study Project
Committee be formed and by the next meeCing each o£ the members of
this Covmnission suggest the name of someone they would like to have
serve on this coumiCtee; and that when Che five members have been
aelected to serve they have the prerogative to ask two at-large
members to be on the ca�ittee and all seven will have a voice in it.
Upan a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously."
Mr. Peterson's nomination for the Recreation Project Commi[tee is Mr. Ted Rue,
Mr. Peterson said he would Like the Commission to consider Mr. Rue as chair-
person as he is a very capable individual and said he would be willing to put
in the time required to he chairperson.
Mr. Aatris` nomination for the RecreaCion Project Committee is Mr. 011ie Erickson.
Mr. Harris said he feels Mr. Erickson is well qualified. Mr. Erickson was
member and chairperson of the Planning Commission for 7-8 years. Mr. Harris
feels he is a good candidate because he has no children in any program as his
children are all grown, so he has no preconceived no[ions regarding the program
and is not involved in any other program. Mr. Erickson was interested in
serving on the co�ittee in any capacity.
Mr. Wagar's nominatioa for the Recreation Project Conmiittee is Mr. Bob Kelly.
� As stated in Mr. Moore's letter to the Parks & Recreation Department dated
June 22, 1976, his nosination for the Recreation Project Coumiittee is
Ms. Margot Eastman.
MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Harris, that these four people be
nominees for chairperson, including Ms. Seeger's nomination which should be
forthcoming. Upon a voice vote, a11 vo�ing aye, the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that Mr. 011ie Erickson will
he the chaixperson of the Recreation Project Covmiittee and Mr. Ted Rue wi11 be
the vice-chairperson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
�unanimously.
Mr. Harris stated that a letter should go out to these people as soon as
Ms. Seegers name is received and a list of their names, addresses, and phone
numbers be included so they can get Cogether and call a meeting. They may want
to come to the next regular Parks & Recreation Cou�ission meeting to be
briefed, or sooner if possible.
Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Dan Auff to be sure that a letter went out to these
people and to have included in that leCter the motion that was made and
seconded on page 10 of the May 24, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting
that instruc[s them that after they geC called together the £ive of them have
the responsibility of picking two at-large members £or their committee.
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Mr. 011ie Erickson, 6056 Woody Lane N,E
Mr. Ted Rue, 170 - 63rd Way N.E.
Mr. Bob Kelly, 6230 - 7th St. N.E,
Ms. Margot Eastman, 641 Glencoe St.
571-2700
560-2715
571-1534
784-5897
Below are listed the chairpeople of the 13 neighborhood project areas and the
people willing to serve on those committees;
Recreation NeiRhborhood 1
Chairperson - Karen Budnick
601 Ironton St.
786-3015
Connie Kuusisto
583 Janesville St.
786-5844
, Bettie Bonine
601 Glencoe St.
786-8381
Recreation Neighborhood 2
Chairperson - Bruce Holmes
6$13 Hickory Dr. N,E.
571-6062
Marty Gavic
141 Hartman Circ.le
571-1219
Becreation Neighborhood 3
Chairperson - Sharon Bakke
59 Rice Creek Way
560-5029
Recreation Neighborhood 4
Chairperson - Byron Butters
260 - 67th Ave. N.E.
571-5299 Bus,: 824-0734
Recreation Neighborhood 5_
Chairperson - David McNeil
266 Mercury Dr. N.E.
574-9779
Marilyn I1Zetschako
580 Ironton St.
786-3638
John Hendrick
67D Ironton St.
784-4990
Gerald R. Lambrecht
531 Kimball St.
784-515I
Gary Hansen
6807 Hickory Dr. N.E.
571-0326
Howard Grivna
261 Rice Creek Terrace
571-3199
Ciayden Polzin
6220 Juniper Rd. N.E,
571-7158
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Recreation Neighborhood 6
Chairperson - Leonard Kos
5468 Altura Rd. N.E.
560-6081
Recreation Neighborhood 7
Chairperson - Tom Nielsen
7583 Lyric Lane
784-2783 Bus.: 54b-1391
Jane Noble
7381 Jackson St. N.E.
784-4771
Recreation NeiAhborhood 8
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Chairperson - Clay Storley
414 Rice Creek Terrace
571-5429
Donald Pu11en
6899 Madison St, N.E,
571-6559
Recreation Neighborhood 9
Chairperson - Alice Benson
640 - 58 th Ave. N.E.
571-7337
Recreation Neighbozhood 10
Chairperson - Jim Ekman
524 - 54th Ave. N,E,
560-4178
Recreation Nei�hborhood 11
None
Recreation Neighborhood 12
Chairperson - Joe Matusovic
6361 Squire Dr. N.E.
571-9022
David Thiele
7300 Tempo Terrace N.E.
784-3663
Bob or pollie Acton
6850 Jefferson St. N.E,
571-9378
Ed Simko
1327 - 66th Ave. N.E,
571-01�6
Jim Baker
56G- 53'� Ave. N.E,
560-4858
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Recreation Neighborhood 13
Chairperson - Kathy Divine
6170 Benjamin St. N.E.
571-4809
Joe Schleisman
5770 Hackmann Ave. N.E
571-8109
Harry Messick
6257 Ben More Dr.
571-3196
Daryl Rollag
1391 Meadowmoor Dr.
784-4192
Jim Richardson
b371 Squire Dr
57t-9647
D. C, Harris
6141 Benjamin
571-5248
N.E.
St. N,E,
Dan Sullivan
1161 Regis Lane N,E.
571-2294
Bruce Anderson
1430 Kerry Circle
574-1006
MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to adopt the 12 area chair-
people as listed with the addition of a chairperson for area 11 by Ms. Seeger.
Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Harris, that the Recr=ation Project �
Committee and the Neighborhood Project Committees will both meet on Monday nights.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Peterson stated that it was his understanding that Mr. Huff and Mr. Boardman
would get together and work out a format for the training of the 13 chairpeople
and whoever else wants to attend. The Commission suggested July 13 as a possible
night to meet and as many Couanission members as can to attend, '
Mr, liarris suggested that maybe the Recreation Project Co�nittee and the Neigh-
borhood Project Committees could meet on the same night--one at 7:30 and one
' at 8; 30.
Mr. Peterson agreed and suggested the Recreation Project Coum�ittee meet at 7:30
since it is smaller and the Neighborhood Project Committees meet at 8:30.
ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON FOR NEXT YEAR
MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Aarris, to nominate Bob Peterson for
another year as chairperson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Bob Peterson, to nominate Dave Harris for
vice-chairperson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
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� DIRECTOR'S REPORT
1. Summer Program Status
Mr. Huff stated that things are going really well. There have only been two
games of softball in the whole season that haven't had an umpire show up.
The new approach to the youth softball program, as it was written up in the
Minneapolis SCar, June 8, 1976, is doing very well.
Mr. Peterson stated that he was very upset with the article. He said we insist
thaC Sahe Ruth, the Hockey Association, and the Fridley Sports Association come
in with by-laws, the way they are going to operate, rule changes, and everything
else so that the Covm�ission knows it. Then NLs. Boone decides she is going to make
some innovations for the year in the program without coming to the Parks &
Recreation Couanission. Ae doesn't think that shows consistency. He felt the
article was written in a slanted way. He has watched the city program and he
doesn't think these kids are Learning baseball and it infers that the other
associaCions, where they have people working with them on a volunteer basis,
are not running in those programs. He feels if we are going to be changing
programs within the city-run program, it should be brought before the Parks �
Recreation Commission before any changes are made.
Mr. Huff explained that things happened so fast in getting the program off the
� ground and he apologized for not getting it to the Parks � Recreation Coumiission
sooner. He felt very strongly about supporting Ms. Boone's ideas. She has
been playground director for 12 years and has been associated with baseball
(T-ba11 program) and has all the experience and input from the parents regarding
how the children start off playing ball. He questions the statement that they
are not learuing haseball--he feels they are learning skills and that is more
important than winning or losing baseball.
Mr. Peterson stated he had no quarrel with the winning or losing but he did'
take exception to the way the article was slanted. The part that said they
are leaming the skills in the city program and not learning them in other
programs is not true.
Mr. Harris stated that even Yhough the Parks � Recreation Co�ission was
bypassed when it should have come Co the Commission for approval, at least
the title of the article, "ilappy Fridley's Model Program" was kind of nice
because it showed something positive instead of something negative.
Mr. Peterson stated the thing he most objected to was the couanent in the article
by Ms. Boone that she saw something that needed changing and went ahead and
changed it on her own.
Mr. Huff said she was misquoted in the article, because she came to him with
ail her proposals and even the letter to the parents, He approved and
reconmended chan�es so it did go through Staff.
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Mr. Peterson said his objection was that Staff tends to ta[ce prerogatives for
Chemselves that we don't allow the citizenry and he feels it should be the
opposite, If anyone should take liberties, it should be the citizenry and
not Staff.
Mr. Huff stated he felt Staff had to have some prerogatives especially when
circumstances arose when something had to be done. He said he is always
willing to take theflack.
Mr. Peterson asked Mt. Huff to obtain for him the number of boys by age
bracket on those teams over T-hall age and our City`s costs for running the
pr.ogr�m, the number of coaches, this type of thing. It was the feeling 9mong
the cottunissioners several years ago that this program should be dropped because
it was competing with other groups and also had poor attendance.
Mr. Harris said he liked the concept. He said we should go on record as either
accepting it or making some changes. He would approve the outline by Ms. Boone
of the program for T-ball.
It was suggested that maybe Ms, Boone could attend a Parks & Recreatvon Commission
meeting at the end.of the season and discuss this with the Commission members.
Mr. Peterson stated that as a co�issioner, he wanted to go on record that when �
Staff changes a program that the Parks & Recreation Commission should know that
program is being changed just as much as the Covunission insists that the volunteer
organizations who use our facilities come in attd get their progxams approved
before they make any changes. If the Commission has time to listen to the
volunteers, they certainly have time to listen to Staff.
2. Preliminary Proposal: 1977 Parks & Recreation Department Budget
Mr. Huff told the Commission members about the variety of budget materials he
had sent them that the City Manager wanted them to have. He stated this is just
a preliminary budget and is for the Commission's review. This budget went to the
City Council tonight, The Commission may find things in this budget that should
be taken out and may find things that should be included.
Mr. Harris stated that he thought that last year the Commission had decided to
take the bikewa�s out of its budget. As the Commission reviewed it last year,
the priority was there, but the dollars were too high dollars in relationship
to the priority level,
MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the bikeway development
not be part of the Parks & Recreation Commission 6udget. Upon a voice vote, a11
voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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Mr. Huff talked about the Parks & Recreation Department's request to remodel
the old Library facility and the cost for the Parks & Recreation Department's
portion of the proposed plan is $3,500. The other office would then be vacant,
but is wanted by the Police Department.
Mr. Harris stated that if the Police Department does take the old office space,
they should reimburse the Parks & Recreation Commission for getting finished
office space to offset the cost of the improvement of the old library.
Mr. Peterson stated that on Wednesday the Planning Coomiission had the Youth
Project Committee in front of them again for about the seventeenth time. On a
5 to 1 vote, they voted to send it to the City Council tonight rec wanending that
the City Council establish a youth committee and give them space in City Hall
under Parks & Recreation. He said he voted against it and voted on what he
thought the conscience of the Commission wouid be. If the City Council passes
it tonight, the Parks & Recreation Coumission might end up with a Youth Project
Committee under its director and charged to its budget because that is the way
the motion read. So, that available space may go to the youth for their drop-in
center and Mr. Huff would be expected to supervise it. He said he wanted the
Commission to be aware of this.
Mr. Peterson suggested that the Cammission have a special meeting on Tuesday,
July 6, 1976, to discuss only the Parks & Recreation Commission budget.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Harris, to adjourn the meeting at
11:05 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
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Recording Secretary
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FRIDLEY APPEALS CUMMISSION MEETING
auNE 29, 1976
MEt7BEIiS PRESE��1T: Virginia Schnabel� Alex Barna, Pat Gabel (left 8;lt0),
Dick Kemper� Jim Plemel
Mh..�f3ERS Ak3SEsuT: None
OT'dERS PRESE,uT: Ron Holden, Building Inspection Officer
2he meeting was called to order by Chairperson Schnabel at 7:35 P.M.
APPROVk� OF JUNE 15, 1476 APP�9IS CC;�4IISSION riINU'PFS:
Mrs. Gabel said she would like a correction made on page 1� of the minutes, third
paragraph from the bottom. She stated she would like the following sentence
added before that paragraph: '9�5rs. Gabel said she did not like this procedure,
and that while t�e va:iance was in order ihe procedure was not, and if it would
happen again she would very strangly object". 5he said this should be followed
by the sentence starting 'T:r. Kemper said..." and "and Mrs. Gabel agreed" should
. be stricken. She stated that when sne said sYte agreed she meant her statement
should also go on the record,
MOTION by Kemper� seconded by Plemel, that the Appeals Commission approve the
minutes of the June 15� 1976 meeting as corrected, Upon a voice vote� all voting
aye, the motion carried unanimously.
1. REO.ULST FOR A VAc�IAtuCE OF SECTIOIV 205.052, 2�FRIALEY CITY COAE, TO REAUCE
THE AVF.�ZAGE FRUtuT YARD Sr�TBACK FROM 37 FEET TO 32 FEET, TO ALLO'r! THE
CONSTRUCTION OF A 1!� FOOT ADDITION ON THE FRUNT OF AN EXISTItiG BUII.111T3G
IRCATED ON T:E SOUTH 20 FEET Or LO�r 5, A�vD ALL OF IAT 6, BLOCY. 3, HAMILTON' S
ADDITION TO A�CHANICSVILLE, THE SAt�:E BEING �618 5TH STREET 1d.E.� FRIDLEY�
MINIVESOTA. (Request by J�r. Edward Dupay� $618 Sth Street N.E., Fridley,
Minnesota 55�21).
MOTION by Barna, seconded by Gabel� to ope» the public hearing. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
ADMINISTRATIVE S'tAFF REYORT
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIRII�IENT: Section 205.153� 2, front yard setback
of no more than six (6) feet from average front yard setback (when greater
than 35 feet).
� Purpose served is to allow £or oFf-street parking withont encroaching on
the public right-of-way, reduce the "bui]ding line of sight" encroachment
into neighboring yards and preserve the aesthetic considerations oY the
neighborhood,
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ti, S'1'A'1'ED HARDSHIP: Family requires more living space and an additional bedroom,
C. ADMINISTRATIVE S'PAFF REVIEW: Available verifying surveys of neighboring lots
show the average setback to be !�3 feet. Therefore a setback oF 37 Yeet is
allowable. Sblt1 5tn Sireet is setback ltb,7 leet £rom the front lot line.
The 1!t foot proposed addition would then come within 33 feet of the Yront
property line. This would put the addition 3 feet in front of the house
to the North. Sta2'z' Y'eels that the neighbor's feelings about the reduced
line-oi'-sight should be considered fi.rst.
Stai'f' has no objection to this variance request being granted.
Mr. Edward Dupa,y approachea the Board to explain his request. He stated when he
had originally appeared before the Commission on TSay 25 they had wanted to add
on to the back oS their house� nut decided at the last minute to go oYY the
i'ront of' the nouse. rie said tney were now proposing to come out 1!�' oi'i' tne
front of the house, and showed on the photographs and survey where the driveway
came, where they intended to put the garage and crhere the bedroom and i'<�mily
room would be. He explained he Felt they would be better ofF building on the
froni af their house, as the ori.ginal plans for building off the back called for
them to lose two windows, He further explai.ned he had talked to his neighl�ors
on this and they all agreed with the proposal� and he had signatures saying they
had no objections.
MOTION t� Gabel� seconded by Barna, to receive the letter signed by eight neighbors
stating they had no objections to Mr. IIupay's plans. Upon a voice vote, alI �
voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson 5chnabel asked if the people who lived right next door had signed
the petition, and Mr. Dupay said they had, Mrs. Schnabel said they would be
�he people most affected by this because of the position oi the garage.
Chairperson Schnabel asked if they would be making a two-story addition on the
front, and Mr, Dupay replied that was correct, and above the garage would be
living space. He added he didn't know yei if the garage would be a double or not,
Mrs. Schnabel asked iF the part underneath would be totally excavated, and Mr.
Dupay answered it would,
Mr. Barna asked what would be done with the space that was presently a garage,
and Mr. Dupay said they would put in a fire wall and probably use it for a
recreation room. Mrs. Gabel asked how large Mr. ➢upay�s family was, and he
replied he had two boys. He eatplained that one oY the boys was presently sleeping
downstairs, and he would like to move him upstazrs.
Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ they would still have a driveway of approximately
32� with the lt�� addition, and Mr. Dupay sai@ they would, and added that he could
almost get two cars in there. Mr. Barna asked if Mr. Uupay's house and the house
directly to the South were the only ones that were set back that distanoe, and
if all the others Nere Sorward. Mr. I?upay said that was correct.
Mr. Barna asked if they would side the addition the same as the rest of the house, �
and Mr. Dupay answered that they wou2c3 be changing the siding on the whole house
to vertical red wood. Mr. Barna asked if the work would be done b,y a contractor?
and Mr. Dupay said he would do about 90% of Lhe work himself, buL hire an electrician
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and someone to do the heating, He added he Imew a biack layer who would help
him� and said he would be doing the finishing himseli'.
Mr. Holden asked i£ he had talked to tne neighbors on both sides, and Mr. Dupay
replied he had, h1r, Holden stated he didn't think the addition xould be un-
sightl,y� but it would stagger the houses a 6it, Mr. Plemel said he tnougF:t
a little variety would be more apnealling than having the houses all in a row.
M01'ION by P1eme1� ,econded by Barna, tc close the oublic hearing. Upon a voice
vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously,
Mr, Plemel stated that this seemed to be a reasonable request, and since inere
was no objection Yrom the neighbors� he would apnrove, tdr. �arna said that he,
too� would be in iavor. He siated it would look nice and fit in witn tne street.
He added that the tnree feet �aould not bother the line-of-signt tnat rmsch� and
all the reauirements are met and there would still be ample o°f-street parzing,
Mrs. Schnabel pointed out that the arnount of trees in the neignbor�s yard �ould
act as a screen also,
MOTION by Barna� seconded by Plemel, tnat the Aaneals Comr�ission aoprove iae
request.for variance. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
2. HEQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.052, 2, 'r'HIDLEY CIT.Y CC�r., i0 R:.iuCE
'iH:: AVEI?A(iE FRONT YARD S£sT1�ACK r'HO', 40.7 Fr.cT TQ 36 FEET i0 ALLOid Ti3E �ON-
STRUGTION OF A fdEJ ATTaCHED DOUBLE ('rAR4GE TO BE ADDED TO '::iE rft01i OF ?.N
EXISTING BUILDIA'G, THE SAt•�' BEIPJ(i 1ti60 Tt�OLI,HAGE!V DRItiS N.c., FRIDLEY,
MINNESOTA. (nequest by Rollo R. Black� 1t�b0 Trollhagen Drive �,E., r'r'_dley,
Minnesota 55421).
MOTION b,y Barna, seconded by Gabel, to open the oublic hearing
vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
ADPiZNISTRATIl7E STAFF kEPORT
Uoon a voice
A. PUBLiC PURPOSE SF.�?VED BY THE RE�UIR:i:'FNT: Section 205.153, 2, Front ��ard
setback oi' no more than six (6) feet £rom average front yard setback (wnen
greater than 35 feet}.
Purpose served is to allow £or ofY-street parking without encroacning on
the public right-o£-way, reduce the "ouilding line-of-sight° encroachment
into neighboring yards, and preserve the aesthetic considerations of the
neighborhood,
B. STATED HARDSHIP: Family would like to convert existing garage into living
space and add an attached garage to the front of the existing garage, Other
alternatives are too expensive.
C. ADh1INISTRATIVE STAFF' REVIE'al: No verif5ring survey was available to determine
� the exact.extent of the variance request, Staff field measurements show a
15 ft, boulevard to be fairly uniform in Lhe area by comparing a verifying
survey of 1470 Trollhagen with field measurements. Measurements from the
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curbin,; from the hou_e in questi�n show that the proposed addiLion would
be set back appror.imately 37 feet from ihe front propert,y line. The average .
setback of the neighboring heuses in 110,7 feet.
St�iff !'ee'_s that the ne:F�;,'�nr to th^ 5a;t nt 1l170 Trollhsi_p,en Drivc would
be the only person to lose so�1e visahi]iL;� due to the construction of this
addition. Unless there are objections from the neigiibors, Sta:f fee2s
this is a valid rer.ue�t.
Mr. Ro12o Black apnroached the Board and explain?d that several montns a�o they
were trying to decide if' they should move or re;nodel ihez^ house� and had decided
to �o with *he re:�odelin�. He said they had askeci tir. Dor. Pertein, Con�.ractor,
to make some si��estions as to ho�,r thev might add on some addi.tional space, and
showed the Com�ission a drawing of vinat he had come un ro*ith, He er,olained what
they had noa �.=as a house �,rith an attached �arage; and he rrould like to convert
that into a f�mily room and add an attached garage to the front, He stated
the,y rrould �rant to make it architecturally in balance h•ith the rest of ttie nouse
so it wouldn't have an"added on�� appearazice, hTr, Black continued that there
were heatinp, ducts that could be used to heat the i'amily room as the furnace m�as
right in the basement� aa�d any building off the back would require more extensive
changes. He stated that this would be the least expensive way to go, and the most
Iogical irom the standpoint of i'low of people in the house frem the kite:�en to
the family roan He saia he had talked roughl,y with one or two contractars and
asked their advise� but felt the first thing �aould be to determine i£ they cou3d
get the variance and then go £rom there, Mr. Black said t'r.at the home irr�-�ediately
to t$e West had tnis type of arrangement �rhere the garage was out in front of the
rest o;'the house� so if he followed this pl.an zt iaould b�end in very well mith �
with the rest of the h�uses in the neighborhood, tie added that he tcad talked
with the neighbors and neither one had any objections, so he t,�aa asxing for a
variance so they could proceed with their plans.
A1r. Barna asked if he had considered building above the garage, and hlr, Black
said he hadn�t really as he wanted Pirst floor space as opposed to second floor
space. Mr. Barna asked v:hat size iamily he had, and Mr. Black answered that rie
had one ltl year old child.
Chairperson Sohnabel noted that there was no correspondence £rom neighbors, and
stated that as you drove dowri the street the garage at 1450 Trollhagen was noti.cable
because it did protrude. She said that therefore she didn�t think thzs one would
be �mtch different or cause a problem in line-of-sight. She added that the main
thing she would be concerned with was the neighbor at 11�70� and it appeared From
iahat Mr. Black had said thai they have no objections.
Mr. P1emel asked tiow many square feet Mr. Black had as Iiving space� and he
replied it was something over 1,300, rir. Plemel stated that the point should be
brought out that this was certainly an area of beautiful, large homes, and he
didn't see much of a hardship in this case,
Chairperson Schnabel asked if he had considered building on back, and Mr. Black
replied it uould be less eapensive to go this way. He showed on the drawing where
changes would have to ba made to build on in back� and explained the kitchen would
have to be moved out and more extensive heating changes made. He staied it was �
a matter of econorr�y,
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Chairperson Schnabel stated that according to t},e drawing, the current garage
. area was 22' long by 1�R' wide� and asked Mr. Bl.ack if he had considered not
taking the entire garage area for the family room and dropping the new garage
back slightl,y. Mr. Black said that �ras a possibility� and stated that the emount
he was asking for dia not include the fact that he would probabl,y not take all
of the area for a family room. He added that there would be some storage space
included, and he really didn't anticipate using the entire garage for the family
room. Mrs. Schnabel said what she was suggesting was instead of coming out as
far as the drawing showed, starting the outside wall in further from the street.
Mr, �lack said he would really like the flexibility io obtain the variance as
requested� and added that he didn't really have a firm plan.
Chairperson Schnabel said with the proposed plan A7r. Black would be at 37', and
the neighbor was at 40'� and added that the one they were concerned with was
the neighbor at 1470. Mr. �lack said he had put a marker as far out as he was
asking to go, ana had asked the neighbors i£ it would disturu their siteline
at all. He stated the neighbors said there was no problem as far as they were
concerned, Mr. Black explained that they were a retired couple who spent a lot
o£ time watching television and reading by the picture �indow� and they said it
would not botner them. Mr. Holden said that the street did curve, and the contour
of the development helped.
Mr. �arna stated thnt the garage to the West stuck out considerably, but the
rest were side-attached or tuck-under garages, ae said that the preposed plan
would call 2'or a ratner long rooi' tine� and tnought it misht look rather peculiar.
� Mr, Black said that was why they got a professional opinion, and he zelt tney
wouldn't have any problem making it look good, Airs. Uabel said tnnt as a rule, if
people are particular about what they are asking 1'or they will geL what tney want.
Mr. Kemper asked iY Mr. �lack had a ball park price� and he replied it would
cost between $12,000 to $15,u00. He added that he would probably do some painting
himself and some of the finishing or ninor work� but was not a contractor so
would hire people to do the rest of the work.
MO'1'IOB by Plemel� seconded by Kemper� to close the public hearing. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Plemel said that ordinarily there was a stated hardshio, and he didn't really
see one with the size of this £amily or size of the home. He stated that if
there were any objections from neighbors he would vote against it� but since
there were none he would go with it.
Mr. Barna said that if the couple to the East were to move, the new purchasers
would be stuck zrith a restricted view. Mrs. Gabel pointed out that if someone
purchased the home they would be aware of that. Mrs, Schnabel added that they
had to bear in mind the curve of the street� and said their viex was more to
the front of their own particular lots.
Mr. Kemper stated that the public purpose served was off-street parking, and
there was no problem there. He said it appeared the addition would be well-
� thought out and situated satisfactorily with regard to the existing house� so
his £eeling was that it was a satisSactory request and he would be inclined to
go along with it.
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Chairperson Schnabel said the request was to go to 36'� but it seemed to fa21 in
line more with 37� instead of 36'. Mr. Holden said he was really allowing £or
the fact that they didn't have a verifying survey� and added that it mig ht be �
36,7� or 37�. Mrs. Gabel asked if there would have to be a fire wall� and Mr.
Holden replied there would be.
Mr. Kemper said he agreed with Mr. Plemel that there didn�t seem to be a signifi-
cant hardship� but if the neighbors felt as h1r. Black suggested� he had no objection.
Mrs, Schnabel said she believed they would have heard from the neighbors either
b,y letter or phone call.�S they objected.
Mrs, �abel said tnat perhaps their hardships weren�t we12 de�ined, but there
would have been additionsl problems going oif the back and it wou2d be an
add3tional expense� so there would be a few hardships to be taken into consider-
ation. Mr. Barna said that if they had a lot of room and wanted more room� it
was their prerogative. He stated he would have no objeciion to it.
MOT10N by Kemper� seconded by Barna� that the Appeals Commission approve the
request £or variance. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion car.ried
unanimously.
3. HEQUES^1 FUk A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.065, (3,A) FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO
ALLOW TEiVActT OFF-STNEET PAHKINU IN THE r`RONT YAR.D OF At� EXISTING !�-YLER�
ZONED R-2 (TY70 FAMTLY D�+TELLIN(i AREAS)� LOCATED ON IATS 1!t AND 15, BLOCK
6� CITY VI�.���' ADDITION� THE SAME SEINU 390 57TH PLACE N.E.� FHIDLEF�
MINNESUTA S$1t32). (Request by t�1r, & hirs, Pef.er Neururer, 650I - 7b� .
Avenue North, Minneapolis� Minnesota 55428).
MOTION by Barna� seconded by Uabel� to open the public hearing. Upon a voice
vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
ADMFNISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SEHVED t�Y REQUIHEA+�N2: Section 205.Ob5, 3}B. No parkirig
stall shall occupy any portion of the required front yard,
Public purpose served by this seciion of the code is to reduce visual
pollution in the front yard.
B. STATED HARDSHiP: Petitioner advised by the City Engineering Department
that provision had been made to continue access to these existing stalls�
but only contingent upon application and approval of the appropriate
variance.
C. ADMINI3TRATIVE STAr'b' REVIEW: Depressed curbing was installed in the front
of this 1t-Plex to a12ow continued parking in Lhe front yard by the Engineering
Department, because waiting for the processing of the variance request would
have been a very costly delay in the street construction, The owner was
requested to obtain a variance� or the depressed curbing would be replaced
by regular curbing. The apartmenL has three 2-bedroom and one single bedroom
units, which require a tota2 of 7.5 parking stal.ls. The garage in the rear�
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facing 57th Avenue ta.E.� has � parking stalls. It is located 1�0 £eet from
the curbing on �7th kvenue xith approxirr.ately 10 feet of boulevard, T'his
� would possibly allow for parking in the rear driveway without parScing in
the street right-of-way. (Those with two cars could nark the second car
outside, behind their gara�e >tall). ln addition, the 1�-Plex apartment
building next door to the llest is 7yb feet from the building at 390 57tn
Place, The area could be used as a joint parking area to help alleviate
the front yard parking problem. Diagonal parking wii,h a driv�w�� fror.
front to rear could be installed. This e,would require joint agreenent .�ith
the neighbor to tne 'rlest.
In as much as the neighhor to the h'est is scheduled 'oefore the A�aeals
Commission *.�rith a si;�ilar request at the next meeting, Staf'f ^econmen�s
that the Comnission discuss this issue, and postpone a decision until
both requests can be considered simultaneously.
Staff £eels that a viable alternative to this front yard parking can be
worked out in this case.
^�.r, and Mrs. Pieururer approached the ??oard ;u�d said they had bought the bu'_lding
about five years ago� and thougnt it must be about twenty years old, t�r,
Neururer stated there had been parking allowed in front of his building und
the 1�-Plex next to it for twenty years� and the curbs F:ere denressed to allow
the cars to drive in.
Mr. Hoi.den explained that a letter had been sent from the CitT: r.'l�gineer, Tom
Colbert� saying that the o£f-street parking accommodatior.s on 57t:� Place �ere
• in violation of the City Code. He said the leLter had stated tY,at in orde: to
eontinue parking that way, they would have to reauest a variar.ce or the city
would remove the depressed curbing, t�lr. Fiolden £urther explained that the
depressed curbing had 'oeen povred because the concrete machir.es were right
there working on a sireet improvement project.
MOTIOi1 by Plemel, seconded bv Barna, that the Planning Comr�issior, receive the
letter from Thomas Colbert to Mr, Peter Neururer� dated June l, 19'76, noti.`ying
them they were in violation of the City Code, Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye� the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson schnabel noted there were parking stalls £or £ive cars in the rear
of the building� and asked if the tenants didn�t use them. Pir. Neururer replied
that the stalls were assigned and used by the tenants� but occasiona2ly thev would
park in the front. He added that there was parking in £ront of the garage
stalls also.
Pir, Kemper asked how many total cars the four tenants had, and Mr. Neururer
replied they all had at least one car. Mr. Plemel asked where the parking
space was in front o2' the garaget and Mr. Neururer answered between the garage
and the curb. Mr. Plemel asked how tnis all came about, anti f�r, Holden said
that normally when the nex curbin� goes in on the street the new property owners
are informed; however� while the discussion was going on the concrete machines
uere going down the street so it was poured as depressed curbing. Mr. Holden
explained that the neighbor to the West had a similar problem, and was scheduled
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Mr. Barna asked what their actual desire was� and iS they would rather have ihe
tenants al]. park in back. Mr. Neururer answered that they would pre,fer to keep •
it the wa,y it is now, Mr. Pl.emel. asked if visitors could park on th? street
for many hours, and Mr. Holden said thev could, Mr. Plemel asked what the
ordinance was� and Mr. Holden replied that parking rras not allowed continuously
for twent,y-£our hours. Mr. Plemel asked what tne street width was, and Mr.
Holden ans��ered iL was 36' back o£ curb tn back o£ curb, with a driving surface
of about 32�,
Chairnerson Schn3bel said that apparenLly back in 1968� when the detached
garage was built, they had requested anproval of a setbar,k from 3�' to 30',
She stated that work was started on the garage and the concreLe poured, but
a red tag was issued because it was irrtproperly set back and there was a court
hearing, hir, Kemper asked if tnere u�as any discussion on the progosed garane
pertaining to of'f-street parking in the £ront, ana Mrs. Schnabe2 replied that
the code violation was that setback for garages and accessory buildings in a
rear yard should be the same as for a front Vard. Cnairperson Schnabe2 read
the £ollowing history of the garage to the Commission:
April 10� 1968 - Issued 13uilding Permit #9659 for a 11 stall garage
at 390 57th Place �;.E, with a 35' setback.
April 16� 1968 - Inspection made by Clarence Belisle, "Hold £or Councii
determination on setback."
April 19� 19Gti - Inspection made by Jan Gasterland, Upon advise of the
City Attorney the contractor was advised not to pour. S
April 26� 196tS - Stop work order issued by Inspector Gasterland.
ApriZ 2b, 1968 - Letter written Lo the owner, Terry Naig, by the City
Engineer� hir, �ureshi� stating that he must go to the
Board of Appeals £or the variance on the setback.
May 3� 296tt - Inspection made by Clarence Belisle. Pictures were taken
at this time of the garage vnder constx-uction,
May b� 196tS - Complaint signed by the t3uilding Inspector,
May 14, 1968 - More pictures taken which indicaied i�rther construction
had taken place since the pictures on 5/3/68.
Chairperson Schnabel said they continued to proceed and i'inally on July 1%, 1968�
the case was trought bef'ore a judge. She stated the records do not say what
happened� but the garage was obviously finished.
Mrs, Neururer stated that some of the tenants had two cars, and ii' they parked
one in the garage stall and one behind, they woula nave to juggle their cars
around and it would ee inconvenient to them. She said that parking arrangements
had been this way £or some time and the tenants were used to the off-street
parking� an@ it would be missed i£ it �as not allowed.
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Chairperson Schnabel said tnat they had to Y,eep ooth !�-Plexes in miiicl� as they
• couldn't gra7t a variance to one and not the otner. She asked iY tney had
talked to the otimer at 3a� about this, and Mr, Neururer replied he had not,
Mrs, Schnabel said tnat tne reason she asked was because Sta£f felt that an
alternative to the off-street parking for both of them would be to put a drive-
way in betrreen the tWO buildings. Mr. Neururer replied that he was against
that idea. He stated they had nothing but trouble with kids cutting through
their property nox� a*�d he could £oresee many complaints from the tenants. He
added that he had a fence through there that had been vandalized.
Chairperson Schnabel asked hoh many� of the ter.ants used the gara�e stalls at
the present time� and rfrs, Neururer replied that the,y all did. She added that
one o2' the tenants did not have a car, but use3 the garage for storage; and
that occasienally haif of the double garage was used for storage. She said
they all parked t�eir cars in the garages overnight at this time. Mrs. Schnabel
asked if the par;ting in the front was limited� and Pirs, Neururer replied it
was,
Afr, Barna esked if rir. Neururer would go along with black topping and a curb
in the area in Pront� and he replied tnat he i•rould. Nr. Holden said the.re
was a substantial boulevard there also, and ±he £ront was 35' setback £rom
the lot line. P`s. &2rna said he urould be against the alternative suggested by Staff
as it would be a playground for the kids, there would be vandalism problems�
and the grass looked a lot better,
Mr. Kemaer asked what would happen if ihis variance was denied, and Mr. Holden
. said about 80� of dep^essed curbing would have to be removed at the city's
expense� and it �;ould have to be replaced. He stated this would run between
$1,000 and �1,600.
Chairperson Schnabel said that if the tenants were prohihited from parking on
the boulevard property and oif-street parking cras granted� they would have to
park right up to the front oi' the building. hSr, Holden said he tnought
boulevard parking could be granted. Mrs. Schnabel asked if that wou2d require
a special request since it was a separate code, and Nr. Holden said he didn�t
think so. fie said if parking were allowed on the boulevard� perhaps there
should be some curbing there so it would look like a oarking area. He stated
he thought this would enhance it� as sometimes people drive over on the grass.
Mr. Plemel added that it xould clean it up somewhat, and would define the area.
Chairperson Schnabel said that off-street parking did not necessarily mean
parking in the front yard� and that was �rhy she was wondering if it would need
a separate request to park on the boulevard, She asked how this was plowed
in the wintertime, and Pfr. Neururer replied that he plowed it himself. Air.
Kemper asked where he puL the snow� and r1r. Neururer said no further on the
grass than he had to. Mrs. Schnabel said that i£ off-street parking were allowed�
there would have to be sone kind of a guarantee that it would be plowed. Mr.
Kemper asked if he ploxed snow for his neighbor at 380� and Mr. Neururer replied
he did not.
Mr. P1eme1 stated that he didn't think the absence of off-street parking in
. front �rould cause any problem in renting the units. Atr. Neururer agreed, but
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said the tenants that already lived there were used to it. Mrs. Neururer stated
that the units would be Iess desirable if' the people had to move their cars �
around to get one out. She added that the peop2e in the double gara�;e had two
cars� there was someone else moving in with two cars� so there would be three
tenants who had two cars. She stated there realiy wasn�t a problem as long as
off-street parking was available. Nir. Kemper said he would like this correct ',
number oF tenants with two cars noted in the record, '
Chairperson Schnabel said thaL the exi,ting code would require 7.5 parking
stalls Yor the size and number of apartments in that dwelling� so since they
have five existing stalls they caould technica115= have to provide 2.5 more i;o
meet the code. 1�Ir. Plemel oointed out that the area in front oS the garage
was not really a parking stall. Mr. Holden said that ii' they x�ere to grant
this request� they should include 5ectian 205.�55, 1� 2& 3, talki.ng about
boulevards.
Chairperson Schnabel said tnat what they c2me down to was since parY.ing would
be nrohibited on Lhe boulevard, it would be a reouirement that 2.5 additional
parking stalls be provided on the property with an access that could go on to
the boulevard. She explained that if they allom*ed off-street parking in the
front, they co�ild state their approva2 in terms of number of parking stalls.
They could allow three o£f-street parking stalls in the f'ront, she stated.
Mrs. Schnabel added that she was tryi.ng to get at justifying the requestt because
then it would come up to code. She stated that they had an additional problem
when they talked about this in terms oi' the structure next door, and thought it
was un£oriunate tne,y couldn't have both requests before them at t;�e sarie time.
Mrs. Schnabel said that because the two buildings were adjacent� even though •
they had separate owners, they were the only to;o on that side of the street
and should both be considered at the same time, rir. Neururer asked i£ just
their variance could be granted at this time, and the other o�,mer�s at the
time he appeared before the Board. Chairper�on Schnabel said she didn�t tnink
that was the solution� and said the other owner's problem iaas a little different
since he does not have a parage.
Mr. Plemel asked if there weren�t requirements for off-street parking when these
buildings were built, and PSrs. Schnabel said not necessarily. She stated that
these codes probablv dicin�t exist at the time those buildings were built. Mr.
$emper suggested tabling Lhis until such time that both parties could appear
be£ore the Board, birs. Pleururer asked i£ the tenants would be ticketed in the
meantime, and Mr. Aolden repli.ed they vronld not. P1r. Neururer asked if it would
help to talk to the neighbors and have them sign something, and Mr. Barna said
it would help a little bit, He stated that there was a conflict with three or
four different zoning ordinances' and a solution was necessary, so it would be
better to look at the r�hole picture instead of just part of it. Mr. Barna asked
if they would go with a well-maintained parking area in the front� and P1rs.
Neururer replied they would, and said they had plans to black top it.
There was some discussion as to if Mr, and Mrs. Neururer would be able to
attend the next scheduled mee,ting of the Appeals Commission if this were to
be tabled� as it conflieted with their vacation plans. A£ter some debating�
it was decided that they would resehedule their plans to be in attendance.
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MOTION by Kemper, seconded by Barna, that the Appeals Commission ta6le this request
� until the next scheduled meeting on July 13, 1976� when both parties of 390 and
38� S7th Place would appear on the agenda; and that off-street parking be permitted
until the Board has acted on this request, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye�
the motion carried unanimously.
A➢JOURNh1F.nT :
Chairperson Schnabel adjourned tne Appeals Commission meeting of June 29� 1976
at 9:33 P.Ai.
Respectflzlly submitted,
��on,� �9�9f�.�o�r�
Sherri O�Donnell
Secretary
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OFFICIAL NOTICE
CZTY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE TF�
PLANNING COMMISSION
TO WEIOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Ha11 at 6431 University Avenue
Northeast on Wednesday, June 9, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for
the purpose of:
� Consideration of a Preliminary Plat, F.S. #76-05. Innsbruck North
Replat 3rd Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation,
being a replat of that part of Innsbruck North Townhouses Third
Addition, described as follows:
Lots 1 to D inclusive, Block ?lt
Lots 1 to 4 inclnsive, Dlock 72� -
Lo's 1 to 4�inclu;ivo, 91oc'< ?}i .
� � Lots 1 to 4 inclusive. 91ock 2u�
Lots 1 to 4 inclv^ive, 91ock 25i
• Lots 1 to 4 inclus:ve, `31ock 26c
also that p3rt of Lot 1, 91oc:: ^_9 described as follows�
. Beqinning at r,ne r.orthw�as! ccf:er o_° �^.iC 91ock 21 � thence
-� North 9 de, r°es }0 r�ir.u?r� '--�N• .?con".s •ta�t a di�tance o.° 16 feett
- thence Morth 9G derrees U9 �:i.^.�tes 1' seccnds ::ast a dista�ce of
33 feet� thenr.e ;outh 9�e;ree; 50 ainirtes 43 seconds sast a dist:�nce
of 16 fe2t to the northeast cor.^.er of said 31ock 21i thence to the
point of be,;inninr;�
also that nart of I,ot 1, 31ocr 'S descs•it;ed as follows�.
Beginnin^ at the noi•'hwust coz,:er o.' saiC Jloc� ?2t thence
"forth 2 de,;roes 7J *.ninutes ',c��*. 2 cisf.a�:ce o£ 10 feet� thence-
� Fiorth 8i da_recs �1 mittutc� -.a.�t a.'.i&�aoce oi 33 feet� thence
South 2 de,°,ras=; ;9 rii:iutas ':�:>t a<'-isT�nre of 10 feet to the
northaast corn�r of said 'looi %2; Y�ne:�r.e to the poi:�t o£ be��inning�
a13o thnt par' of Lo± 1. ?'_oc:- '8 :ieacribed as folloris�
EeFinnin�; at ±he uautheast co�rv�r oi szid Plocic 2<i thance South .
2 dep,t'ees 99 minutes �^.�-t s di=_-^n.e o£ G feett thence South
$? de�mes 21 :ninutes H'est a_iis!^r.ce of 33 feett ihence North
2 dePir.2c 7? rnznutes We3*. a ci`•:tei�ce o°, 0 1'eet to the southwest
corner of said 51ock 22� th,nce to the ?oint of be�inning�
also that part of Lot 1, glr.cr 79 de�cribed as follows+
f3e�inning at the aoutheast ecr.^.er of ani.d iilor,k 7.3i thence South
7 deP_rees OQ �ainutes �+i secor:��:; �a:t a distance of 16 £eett thence
South 92 d^�ree, ;9 �+in•ites 1� seconAs ::est a dlst.^.nce of 37 fcet�
thence� i7orth i de; nes 00 ni�zat�c wl� eecondv 1Peat n distance oC 16
feet to the soutn�rest conier of said Blcck 2�� thenci to the polnt
of begir.ning� _
nlso that F3rt of Lot 1, Blr.c:; 28 de�r,ribed as follo�xs� .
� Reginnin� 1t the no:th�vest corner o: said .".lock 24� thence North
a distance of 15 teeti thcnce c.a.^.t 3 Aistance of 7') feete thonce
Sauth a di.^.tvice of 1(i ,eet to the norti�east corncr uf said Block
24� thence to the point oC ��erinnintt
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ulao that p3rC of Lot 1, 91or,k 2$ dcr,crlbed na follows�
� . Ce/;innin(; aY t,hr. r,outl:eaa[ corpr.r of ::nid Plock ?St Lhence South
� �3 derrncs 33 tif.nates 3t eecond:: a Ai^tnnce of lo feett thence
"+orth 7G degrer.s Z(i ninutr.e 19 .ecoan�i �rr,�t a�llstance of 33 feet�
Chence North 13 derrecs 33 minutes 41 ,er,onde east a distance of 16
. feet io the southw��t corner of r,aid lllock 2$t-thr.nce Lo t�e point
of be�inni.npi
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also that part of Lot 1, Ifloc;c 2f3 desr,ribed as follows�
3eginnin� at the southeast corner of said 31ock 25� thence South
]1 degrr_es 41 r�inutes 11 secoads �Vr.,t n distance of 1G feet�
kFence Nerth ��3 deFreec 18 ninutes L'9 seconA3 West a distance of
33 fee`.t !henc2 tlorth 11 deerees !+1 minute� 11 seconds iiast a distanco
of 15 feet to Che southwest corner of said Block 26� thence to the
poSnt oS beginningt �
all lying in the South Half of Section 24, T-30, R-24, City
of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota.
Generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and
South of Meister Road N.E.
Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be
heard at this meeting.
Publish: May 26, 1976
June 2, 1976
RICHARD "H. IiARRIS
CHAIRMAN
PLANNING COMMISSION
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CI'PY 0� FRIDLGY FIINNGSOTA
��! / PLANNING AND ZONINC r01tM
NUMBGR V• J-''� �(� — a1 Tr�L o� aLQues��
APPLICANT'S SICNA`I'URE /l�i�:�%� r�'. . �,�- L - �•'.^ �..r '%:�' Rezoning
Address ' �' /� � "! � �''" %�.`ii�` `- = ' ��' SpCC13� USE PC27qlt
Telephone Number �" =``
PROPGRTY OS9NGR'S SIGNAT�RE
Address
Telephone Number
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Street Locati.on of Property : r>;'
Legal Description of Property � %`�
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inary $ Final Plat
Streets or Alley
Vacations
Other
Fee � (� eceipt No. �) � �
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Present Zoning Classification �" '. Existing Use of Property
Acreage of Preperty Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed _ iJ: -•: � z-- z F: —%' •- ' �
(l.(/Y!1C� d.�i,'[,/. .n �'(O/ l�C3l/: %�' ,/'r:' �'�- _ _--_ �."i'" <.
• Has tlie present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.o£ it? / yes no,
What was requested and when?
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The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all resi.dents and owners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning).must be attached to this application.
(b) This application must be signed by all oivners of the Qroperty, or an 'explanation
given iahy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in tl�e proceedings
resulting from the failurc to list the names and addresses of all residents and
yroperty owners of property in question, belongs to the undcrsigned,
A sketch of proposed property and stivcture must Ue drawn and attaclted, s}tiowing the
following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lc.t.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. Street Names. 5. Locatio�t and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (�,�ithin 300 feetj.
•The undersigned hereby declares that all ihe facts and representations stated in this
application are true and correct. _
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DATE � !i,;;.. f.�, SIG�ATURE �� �-%. " °
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Datc Filed Date of ficaring
Planning Commission nl�rrov�a City Council Approved
(dates} Denied (datcs) Denied
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Darrel Farr Development Corp
Replat Blocks 21-26 to I,ots 1-6 t.o
allow 2- 2 car garages and 2 single
car garages in each block
Ms. Pamela J. Braun
5562 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Donald J. Kunshier
5558 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Daniel Shaw
5554 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55932
Mr. 3ames Hanson
5550 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Ms. Margaret Schweizer
5546 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Karl Klopfer
5542 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Stephen Tollison
5538 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Paul Leibman
5534 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Ms. Alice Shaughnessy
5530 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Ms. Susan Sisson
5526 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Donald Olmstead
5522 Meister Rnad N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Harry Zook
5518 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Kent Koch
5514 Meister Rpad N.E.
Fridley, Mn, 55432
Mr. Robert Cargill
5510 Meister Road N.E
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Richard Nafstad
5575 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Terry Wiley
5571 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Ms. Mary Blisha
5565 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. James King
5561 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Aouglas Van Arkel
5563 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Planning Commission �� .1 S 7�
Mr. Ronald Ferkingstad
5567 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Thomas Hummel
5545 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. William Goon
5541 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Ms. Ann Neher
5543 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn- 55432
Mr. James Pries
5547 E. Bavarian Pass
F=idley, Mn. 55932
Mr. Murray Heatley
5533 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Wayne Bothun
5535 E. savarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Lynn Castner &
Ms. Deonne Parkez
5537 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Charles Franke
5529 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Steven Kessel
5525 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Ms. Shirley Dickey
5531 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. John Becker
5521 E. Havarian Pass
Fridley, Mn_ 55432
Mr. Edward Englund
5517 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mz. Gary Oclegaard
5519 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Ms. Linda Borry
5523 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Leonard Rutter
5540 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. David Johnson
5544 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Lorin Woods
5542 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Mr. Richard Sharpe
5578 E. Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn. 55432
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6fFICIi1L WOTICE
CI7Y OF FRIDLCY
PUQLIC HE��R71JG
�EfORE TI1E
PLA(�WIt�G COt�it1ISSI0N
TO 41HOt4 IT PMY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that therP �ii11 be a Public Nearing of trre
Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431
University Avenue Northeast on July 14, 1976 in the Council Chamber
at 7:30 P.I�i, for the purpose of:
A request for a 5pecial Use Permit, SP !�`76-iQ,
by Youva Klucsar, per Fridley City Code, Section
205.052, 2, A, to allow the construction of a
second accessory building, a detached double
garage for storage of ttio Model "A" automobiles,
on Lot 20, Block 4, Ptoore Lake Hills Addition,
all lying in the North Half of Section 24, T-30,
. R-24, City of fridley, County of Anoka, yinnesota.
"- 6enerally located at 1337 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be 9iven an opportunity
at the above stated time and place.
June 30, 1976
July 7, 1976
RICHARD N. NARRIS
CHAIRhL�N
PLANNTNG COMhtI5SI0N
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CITY OP rRIDLGY MINNGSOTA
PLANNING AND 20NING PORM
NUPIBER � �%-�v j
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AJJress / j r�%�r l� c^ i2"!�: � U�"��
TYPC OF REQl1GST
Rezoning
^� Speci-a] Use Permit
Telephone Numbcr APProval of Premin-
inary £, 1'inal Plat
PROPIRTY 0{VNL=R'S SIGNATURB� - < <r ��� .__ Streets or Alley
Vacations
Address�� __ _ �
Other
Telephone Number � � a`1 -'� `? `;'� C
Fee Receipt No. p J? L- �
Street Location of Property (��'7 ��i��L��tib7 �R
Legal Description of Property `��� � :� •��r�r �l pJl�'���:�_ �.-;,�k �-�ic��';
Present Zoning Classi£ication �-� £xisting Use of Property ��,���_c„� y'-)������';
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Acr.eaoe of Property R�PRGK ����GCt� Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed ��, _;��z,.�.-� �'� ��?;i iAc�•d�i.�
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Has the present applicant pre��iously sought to rezone, plat, obtai.n a lot split or,
variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes x no,
What was requested and iahcn?
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The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and otaners of property
witliin 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application.
(b) This application must be signed Uy all owners o£ the property, or an explanation
given iahy this is not the case. (c) P.esponsibility for any defect in the proceedinos
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residcnts anJ
property owners of property in question, belongs to the undcrsigned.
A skctch of proposed property and structure must Ue dra�an and attached, siioiving t}ie
follo�aing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location o!' proposed structure on thc 1ot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed stivcture, a�id front and side setUacks,
4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjace�rt eaisting buildings (�vithin 300 fcet).
The undersigned hereUy declares that all the facts and representations stated in tliis
application are true and correct. /
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DATE — jtf- jG SIGNATi1FH��-�t .._ � " «
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Date Piled �ate of Hcaring �/� %�
Plam�ing Commission Approved City Council Approvcd
(Jates) Denied (�1:.tcs) Denicd_
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Planning Conenission June 2q, 1976
MAILING LIST
SP 1176-10 YODUA KLUCSAR
Second Accessory building
Per fridley City Code, Section 205.051 (2,A)
Mr. & Mrs. Richard Kinsman
1348 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. hans Meyerhoff
1350 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Clifford Lund
1346 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 550.32
Mr. & Mrs. Earl Hansmann
1344 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Neal �enewein
1342 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Henkel
1340 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Adolph Kukowski
1338 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. George Bacon
133b Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Walter Johnson
1334 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mary Lou Holte
1332 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Richard Modig
t330 Nillcrest Drive N.E.
fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Joseph Hinytzke
1328 Ni1lcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Gerald Larson
7345 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Charles Hanson
13A9 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Harold Thompson
1351 Hiilcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
14r. & Mrs. Leif Henriksen
1327 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Rand Beckstrom, Jr.
1331 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs: Youva Klucsar
1337 Hillcrest Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
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�7 PLANNING AND ZONING I�ORM
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Rezoning
Special Use Permit
Approval of Premin-
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PROPCRTY 04YNER'S SIGNATURG,,q_�¢ ,/ ti���_{�('�n Q �_ Streets or Alley
��`C`""` Vacations
Address .
Telephone NusnUer
Stxeet Location of Property
Legal Description of Property
Present Zoning Classi£ication
Acreage of Property
Other
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Fee�Receipt No.
Existing Use of Property
Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed � �� ��c 3
}3as the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.of it? yes_�ao.
IVhat was requcsted and when?
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and oioners of property
within 300 £eet (350 feet for re2oning) must Ue attached to this application,
(U) This application must Ue signed by all o�aners of the property, or an explanation
given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proccedings
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and
property o�aners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned.
A sketch of proposed property and structure must Ue dra�an and attached, showing the
following: 1. Nortii Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lo±.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and £ront and side setbacks.
4. Street Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (rvithin 300 feet).
•The undersigned hercUy declares that al� e facts and representations stated in tltis
application are true and coxrect. �
DATE SIGNAI'URE��;t �� t�
(APPLICA�'C) ,
Uatc Filed
Date of Hcaring
Plnnning Commission Approved
(dates) Denied �
City Council Approvecl
(dates) Denied
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PETITION TO CLOSE QLLEY UN BLOCI( �11 (between Ely and Liberty)
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MAILING LIST FOR VACATION OF THE 12' UNIMPROVED ALLEY IN BLOCK 11,
SPRING BRODK PARK ADD1710N SAV #76-04
*Mr. & Mrs. Gil6ert Bartylla
299 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr, & Mrs. Randall
289 Liberty Street
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr, & P�(rs. Bryan Kohl
220 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Spencer '`Mr. & Mrs. Clarence Godlewski
N.E. 228 E1y Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr. & Mrs. James Horn
279 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr, & Mrs. Robert Nentges
269 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Clifford Parker
259 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
'�Mr. & Mrs. James Zukowski
249 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Marvin Hietala
239 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr. & Mrs. Francis
229 Liberty Street
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. �ulius Vetvick
Bayview-Star Route #1
Pequot Lakes, Mn 56472
*Dir. & Mrs. Darrell Nystrom
248 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
�Ar. Ernest Walters
262 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Erickson
264 E1y Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Brustad
272 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Poehler *E•ir. & Mrs. Charles Sprafka
N.E. 280 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs, Eugene Graunke
225 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432 .
Mr. & Mrs. Donald Hoff
215 Liberty Street NoE.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr. & Mrs. William Sicora
201 Liberty Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr. & Mrs. Marshall Johnson
200 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
� Mr. & Mrs. Edward Bishop
212 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr, & Mrs. Duane Motzko
290 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr. & Mrs. Azad Mesrobian
298 Ely Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota
*Signed Original Petition
14 out of 23 property owners
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Karen Mesrobian
Vacate the East-West
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� ' Spring Brook Park Addn:
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GOhL ARL'A: NUDIAN DCVELOPMCNT
GOAL STAT[MEIyT D100: Provide adequate park facilities and recreation
opportunities to ensure the health and well
being of the residents and provide a quality
living environment.
Program Objective D110: Develop an order of quality park facilities
that will be flexible to the changing needs
of the community.
Program Plan
D111: Develop Comprehensive Park Plan
D112: Tennis court survey
D113: City-o-�ide need study - City-wide facilities
D114: Park Availability Study
D115:
Program Objective D120: Provide innovative park design with a balance
of functional and aesthetical considerations,
creating substantial recreational, educational,
social and psychological experiences.
Program P7an
D121: Develop design series for parks
D122: Develop file on maintenance free system
D123:
Program Objective D130: Provide for innovative space management to allo�,r
a balance of use, freedom and control tivith safety
as a prime consideration
Program Plan
Program Objective
Program Plan
Program Objective
Program Plan
GOAL STATEM[NT
Prograo} Objective
Program Plan
D131:
D132:
D140: Encourage the advancement of recreation opportunities
for all residents.
D141: Coord�nate Activities Program
D142: Teen Activities Program
D143: Elderly Activities Program
D144:
D150: Promote "people oriented" parks through active
citizeii participation.
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D153:
D154:
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D210
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D212:
Pro;;ect Committee by neighborhood
Dispersin9 of information
Help foster an attitude which stimulates life-long
motivat.ion for learning and cultural development.
Proniote an a�aareness and appreciation of the
Nuroanities
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PLAI3NING COMMISSION MEMBERS: � . .. � � � � �� . �
Will you glease receive these minutes of the Hwnan Resources Commission
meeting of July 1, 1976 at the July 14th meeting.
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Hesides the motion of receiving these minutes, there has to be another motion
made on the recommendation which concerns the City budget.
The motion should be made in this manner:
Motioa by that the Planning Co�ission recormsends to
or
Council (approval) (that they do not concury with the
recommendation by the Human Resources Commission that the Council consider
that at least 510,000 of public money be allocated to the broad area of
cultivation of human resources development in the City of Fridley.
This can be a separate motion, or eSse added on to the first motion,
that the Planning Commi,ssion also �oncurs or dces not concur with the budget
disbursement of the $10,000 as rec�nded by the Human Resources Commission.
By receiving these minutes at the July 14th meeting, these minutes will
go to the City Council on July 26th 1976 and the Council will be starting
on the budget August 2nd.
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PLANNING
CALL TO ORDIIi:
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C1TY OF FRIDLEY
JULY 1l�� 1976
Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:36 P.M.
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ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Harris� Hergman, I,angenfeld� Peterson� Shea, Gabel (attending
for Schnabel)
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Jerrold Soardman, City Planner
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION HINUTES: JUNE 23. 1976
Mr. Bergman stated that on page 1l�, 3rd paragraph, it should read Mr. Robert
Schroer was not present.
Mrs. Shea said she had a couple o£ minor changes� and noted that on June 2jrd
• Mrs. Wahlherg xas no longer Wahlberg but Mrs. Schnabel. She also stated that
Mr. Boardman�s statement on page 9, second para�raph� gave the impression they
were discussing more than one greenhouse� and asked that "sma11-greenhouses°
be changed to "a small greenhouse°.
Mr. Langenfeld asked that his statement on page 9, l�th paragraph, asking iY
there xas a large degree of heat be changed to ea¢essive heat. He said he
also xished to explain that on page 10, l�th paragraph� xhere he was talking
about if a fellow neighbor had stuck this in the back yard, his idea was to
merely say that Staff would be the first to be right there to make him move it.
Mrs, Gabel stated she xould like the following sentence added to her statement
on page 19, last paragraph (continued on page 20): Perhaps someone could look
into this and see i£ something couldn't be done so a better situation could be
set up.
MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission minutes
o£ June 23� 1976 be approved as corrected. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye�
the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE
MEETING
• Mrs. Shea noted on page 30 of the minutes� the last sentence in the 6th paragraph�
ahich read: At this point in time, he (Mr. Peterson) doesn�t think our ordinance
is really set up to allow the Commission to create project committees xithout
appointing a chairperson for them. She stated that the Human Resources Cownission
had a completely opposite viewpoint, and wondered if this shouldn't be discussed
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at some point. She added that they alloved their project committees to elect
their own chairperson.
Mr. Peterson stated that the new ordinance implied that the person who was a
member of the Commission could serve, or that the Commission could appoint
someone other than the Coimnissioner to be the chairperson. Mrs, Shea disagreed,
and said it didn't really say that one wqy or another, and she felt it needed
clarification. She stated the committee may be chaired by a member o£ the
Commission and at least one member of the Commission shall act as lisison.
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Mr. Boardman stated he thought it xas pretty much the prerogative of the Comnission
when they set up the regulations for the co�mnittees. Chai.rperson Harris said
that was the Way he understood it, and added that he thought it was within the
realm of the indivi.dual member commissions and the way they wanted to handle
it. Mr. Peterson said he just didn�t want to be gieing wrong inYormation to
the rest of the Commi.ssion, but there was no problem as far as he was concerned.
Mrs. Shea asked if it would be possible to get a map at some time from Parks
end Recreation on the project committee areas� and Mr. Boardman passed out to
the Commi.ssion copies o£ the maps.
MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission
receive the minutes of the Special Meeting of the Parks and Recreation Couuni.ssion
meeting o£ June 1�1, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
HECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUAI.ITY COMMISSION MIN[TTES: NNE 15, 1976
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the last sentence in the 4th paragraph on page 1t0
should read must instead of most. He also co�mnented that on page lt2, the
last sentence in the third paragraph should read Lead Anoka County Fr[gi.neer.
Mr. Boardman said he rrould like to discuss some of the problems that the
Fridley Environmental Quality Commission was having in finding a direction
to go--their scope. He stated he thought it might be wise to have some
direction come dorm from the Planning Coimnission to the Fhvironenmtal Commission.
Mr. Harris suggested adding that as Item 3A.
MOT10N by Peterson, seconded by Bergcnan, that the Fhvironmental Quality Commission's
direction be added to the agenda as Item 3A. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Langenfeld where they were on the mining ordinance�
and Mr. Langenfeld said the Coimnission members had decided to read Code 70
and the mining ordinance and also Golden Valley's and take dovn their cort¢nents.
He said they then wanted to come up �rith a new Code 211 mi.ning ordinance.
MOTION by Shea� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission receive
• the mi.nutes of the Ehvironmental Quality Cormnission meeting of June 15, 1976.
Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously.
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FiECEIVE PANKS & RECKEATION COMMISSION HINUTFS: JUNE 28, 1976
Mr. Peterson said he would like to point out the two items that were added to
the agenda on page 1t6. He stated that these were items that, by motion, were
to be part oP the June agenda; but due to an oversight they were inadvertently
left o£f,
Mr. Langenfeld stated that he had attended the June 28th meeting oP the Parks
and Recreation Cotmnission and commented that Mr. Peterson handles a Commission
vexy well.
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Chairperson Harris said that he had a question on project coimnittees, and
noted that as he read through he noticed there were some committees that seemed urell-
staffed and some weren't so xell-staffed. Mr. Peterson said that when the
idea was Pirst brought to the rest of the Commission there tended to be some
doubts that they xould be able to fill thirteen neighborhood project co�nittees,
so the conrse of action that was decided upon xas that the Coimnission would take
the responsibility to appoint thirteen chairpeople. He stated that each
Coimeissioner was to bring in all of the names o£ people he lmew who rrould like
to serve. He continued that they had gotten a Pront page article in the Stiui
stating that anybody vho xas interested should call in, and memos were sent to
each member of the Planning Conunission and each City Council person asking £or
suggestions. Mr. Peterson stated that the reason some areas have more names
than others vas because they didn't get many names suggested out o£ a neighbor-
hood.
Chairperson Harris noted that in neighborhood 11 there xas no one on the committee.
Mr. Peterson said he would like to respectfully note that Mr. Harris, as Chair-
person, rras given the opportunity to submit names for each one of the neighbor-
hoods; and also, the Park Co�nissioner srho accepted responsibility for that
particular area had not sent in any names. Mr. Peterson stated that at this
point the chair would probably exercise his prerogative and make an arbitrary
appointment, but that xas against the rules o£ procedure that vas established
by the Commission. He added that something rrould be done; either the chair vould
exercise his prerogative or the Cotmnissioner would be contacted one more time
anci asked far a narae for that area.
Chairperson Harris asked if Hr. Peterson had received the list of names he had
su6�nitted Por area 3. Mx'. Peterson said he ras sure they did� but he couldn't
say he handled it personally. Mr. Harris said he had given Mr. �ioardman a
verbal list� and he had xritten it dovn. Mr. Boardman stated he had given that
list to Mr. Peterson. Mr. Harris said he would be sure to give Mr. Boardman
another list� and added that his concern rras that every area get representation.
Mr. Peterson said he vanted to co�nent that some of the Staff and some of the
Commissioners xere astonished and very pleased at their last meeting ahen they
had the classroom almost Yull of interested people xho had volunteered to serve
on a project cotmoittee. He flu�ther said that they had 11 out of 12 appointed
chairpersons attend, plus four or five people in addition to the chairpersons.
He said it was even beyond the expectations that he and Mr. Boardman had. Mr.
Peterson told the members oY the Commission that iY they had naznes to go in any
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area to please submit them as they were still vorking with the chairpeople.
• He also pointed out that the names Yor each project coimnittee xould be submitted
to the Commission for reviert so they xouldn't have one chairperson and four
neighoors, as tney Hanied representation from the entire neighborhood.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Hergman, that the Planni.ng Commission receive
the minutes of the Parks and Hecreation Coimnission meeting of June 28, 1976.
Upon a voice note, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE APPEAIS COHIffSSION MINUTFS: NNE 29, 1976
Mrs. Uabel said that these minutes vere not available at the Appeals Commission
meeting held July 13th, but in reading them over she did not see any corrections
or additions.
Chairperson Harris sa3d that again he would like to commend the Appeals Commission
for their diligent work, and added that it seemed they were handling a vast
amount of xork lately and doing it in an expeditious manner.
MOTION by Gabel, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Coimnission receive the
minutes of the Appeals Coimnission meeting of June 29� 1976. Upon a voice vote�
all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Peterson said that before moving on to the next item he wanted to comment
• thet the Parks and Recreation Commission had a special meeting on July b concerning
the budget� and he had hoped that the minutes would be available at this time.
Mr. Boardman explained those minutes were in the process o£ being prepared.
Mrs. Shea noted they had not yet received the mi.nutes o£ the Human Resources
Commission meeting of July 1, 19T6. Chairperson Harris suggested these minutes
be held and added as 3B on the agenda.
MOTION by Shea� seconded by Gabel, that the Human Resources Coimnision minutes
of.�he July 1� 1976 meeting be added as Item 3B on the agenda. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously,
1. TABI,ED: PUBLIC
UitA'1'lUN: rieing a replat oi' Lots 1 to 4 inclusive� Slocks 21 through 26�
and also part o£ Lot l, Bloek 28, InnsSruck North Townhouses Third Addition,
to allow changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side
of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E.
Public Hearing open.
Mr. �3oardman explained that Mr. James London had called and asked that this item
be continued as he could not attend this meeting.
• MOTION by Peterson� seconded by l3ergman� that the Planning Commission table the
Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. �j76-O5, Innsbruck
North �eplat Third Addition, by Darrel A. F'arr Develo�nent Corporation, with
the Public Hearing open� until the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
Planning Co�nission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 5 6�
2, PUBLIC HEAHINti: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PEEiMIT, SP
� RLUCSAF: Yer rr�aiey �1tiy �oae� �ecLion LV7�V7G� �, .., �� a���- �••�
cons�r�ion of a second accessory build'ing� a detached double garage
for storage of two Model "A" automobiles, on Lot 20, 131ock 4, Moore Lake
Hills Addition, the same being 1337 Aillcrest Drive tV.E.
Mr. Youva Klucsar was present.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission open
the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-10, by
Youva Klucsar. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared
the Public Hearing open at 8:05 P.M.
Mr. Boardman explained that this Kas a request for a Special Use Permit for
a second accessory building to house two Model "A" automobiles. He said that
at the present time the cars were outside and Mr. Klucsar Would like to construct
a two-car garage to store these in, and added that he presently had an attached
garage to the house. Mr. Boardman explained this would be located in the rear
yard toward the Northwest corner o£ the property� and said that Sta££ had no
objections to this with two stipulations: 1} This garage cannot and irill not
be used for home oceupation, and 2) It must meet all setback code requirements
and cannot be set any closer to the front yard than the neighboring house to
the West.
Mr. Klucsar stated that he would be willing to meet all the regulations oY
• the City of FY�idley. He said that this garage would be used to store his
cars because they were not being used for transportation� and he also liked
to keep his front garage clean so vhen the garage door vas open it would look
neat and not cluttered.
Chairperson Harris asked how large a building he was proposing, and Mr. Klucsar
answered about 22� X 22� or 22' X 24'. He said he tirould be i+illing to follow
whatever the city ordinance said� but the main thing was to get the cars under
cover. Mr. Klucsar stated that he was told when he moved in that he could
build another garage, and if he had lmown he couldn't he wouldn't have bought
the house.
Mrs. Uabel said she would like to lmov how big the lot xas, and Mr. Klucsar
replied it aas approximately 102' % 11Gli'. He added that the garage would be
A�T�st out of sight because trees would be hiding it� and there would be no
driveway. Mrs. Gabel then asked if Code didn�t require him to have a driveway
to his garage� and Mr. Boardman said they would have to take a look at the
situation as he xas not sure i£ it �ould be required or not.
Chairperson Harris asked if these vehicles were licensed� and Mr. Klucsar
answered that they were licensed once� and that was all that was required.
He explained they could not be used for driving all the time like a regular
car, but only for parades or shows.
• Mr. Bergman asked i£ the requirement for a Special Use Permit wasn�t relative
to the size of the second accessory building� and Mr. Boardman answered over
21t0 feet. Mr. Aax'ris pointed out that Mr. Klucsar xas proposing a7most double
that.
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• Mr. Langenfeld said he c+ould like to ask if Mr. Klucsar worked on these Model
"A"s and just kept them up as a hobby, and Mr. Klucsar said that fixing a flat
tire or polishing them was about the extent of the work he did on them, He
added that they did not require much xork as they were in good shape. Mr.
Langenfeld asked if there was a lot o£ traffic (people or businesses) comi.ng
on the premises to look at the automobiles. Mr. Klucsar replied there were
not� and said he took the cars to shows like at Apache or Har Mar, but people
did not come on his premises to see them.
Mr. Peterson said he wondered if A4r. Klucsar understood the stipulations Mr.
Boardman had mentioned� and pointed out that one was that it wouldn't be a
home business. Mr. Klucsar said he thought he understood them and would
£ollor* any rules he had to. He stated this xas not a business, and explained
he was retiring from his job and did not �rant to be the richest man in the
cemetary but xanted to have a little ftm before he got there.
Chairperson Harris asked if it would be agreeable that the stucture be compatible
with the existing structure, and Mr. Klucsar replied that the outside would
be just as nice as his house. He explained that he had too much invested in
his house to make it be worth less money or have the neighbors get mad at him.
He added that around the corner from his house there was another dwelling that
had another two-car garage in the back� and it looked very neat. He stated he
felt this would look better than having his txo cars covered with a tarp� and
he wanted to keep his neighborhood looking nice. Mr. Harris said he meant
• would the outside Yinish o£ the garage be compatible xith the house and existing
structure, and Mr. Klucsar replied it zrould have the same siding as his house
and would look as if it were originally built at the same time.
Mr. Langenfeld noted that Mr. Klucsar xished to have this double garage for
the storage of trro Model "A"s� and asked if it would always be used for that.
Mr. Klucsar explained that he did have other vintage cars so he might take
one of the Model "A"s out and put his 1938 Buick in� but as long as he lived
that vas all it Would be used for. He further explained he ormed other property
xhere his other automobiles were stored. Ae stated that after he was gone
the nex owners could probably use an eztra garage as one garage really wasn�t
enough for a house that has five bedrooms. Mr. Langenfeld said that xhat he
was trying to get at was that m�ybe by definition it wuld be nothing but a
storage building. Chairperson Harris said it was a second accessory building
in excess oP 2lt0 square feet, rrhether it was a garage or a storage building�
so it did require a Special Use PexTait.
MO'PION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close the
Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP /j76-10, by Youva
Klucsar. Upon a voice vote, all wti.ng sye� Chairperson Harris declared the
Public Heari.ng closed at 8:17 P.M.
MOTIOn by Langenfeld, secnnded by �iergnan, that the Planning Commission
recortunend to the City Council approval o£ the request Yor a Special Use Permit,
• SP /�7b-10, by Youva Klucsar, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.052, 2, A, to
allow the construction of a second accessory building, a detached double
gararge £or storage of two Model "A" automobiles� on I,ot 20� ttlock 1�� Moore
I,ake Hills Addition� the same being 133/ Hillcrest Drive� N.E.� with the
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follorring stipulations: 1) The garage cannot and xill not be used for home
• occupation, and 2) It must meet all setback code requirements and cannot be
set any closer to the front yard than the neighboring house to the West.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimoualy.
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and r:ly Street n.E.
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To vacate the unimproved
g between l.iberty Street
Mr, Boardman explained tnat a peticion had been received requesting vacatiion
of the 12' unimproved dirt alley. He said that the people who signed the
petition tirere noted with an asterisk on the mailing list on page tS4� and noted
that 14 out oY 23 families nad signed it. He said the alleq was being used
by mini-bikes and dirt bikes, so it xas requsted that it be closed. Mr.
tioardman said tnat the City did have a drainage and utility easement down
there� so if the alley vas vacated the easements would have to be retained.
He explained that people both for and against the vacation were present,
and Chairperson Harris suggested hearing the pro side first.
Mr. Charles Sprafka o£ 280 Ely Street N.E. stated that he xould like to explain
the logic o£ vhy they xere proposing the alley be vacated. He said the first
question to ask xas, is it necessary to keep the alley open? He stated that
in trying to arrine at xhether it should be keQt open or not� the follorring
facts should be considered:
1. The alley is not maintained in the xinter and is not plowed. If
it Was necessary to have an alley, the City would maintain it.
2, In terms o£ fire safety, there are fire hydrants on the street
on both sides.
3, It is not necessary £or any of the 23 residents to have such an
alley to allow them to get into their garages or drivexays� as
i.n all instances the homes have access from the street. One home
does have access from the alley� but also has access from the street.
For these reasons, Mr. Sprafka stated, he believed it was not absolutely
necessary to have this alley open. He said if this premise was correct� then
he believed it was important to ask xhat the will of the majority xas of the
23 residences along the alley. He stated that to his best information at
this time, there were 14 names submitted, which uere the majoriiy. He added
that he believed two peoFle had asked tis have their names removed from the list,
which still left 12 names out o£ 23. Mr. Sprafka pointed out that this was
not to sqy the remaining 11 r+ere all opposed� as txo or three might be in
question.
Mr. Sprafka said he believed the democratic principle should be to follow the
will of the majority. Ae continued that most o£ the arguments that would be
• heard at this meeting would be for or against the alley Yor different reasons
as it would provide a convenience £or some citizens and an inconvenience for
others. He stated that it should be the decision of the Planning Commission
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to decide xhat the majority of the people xant� and they srere ralling to abide
by the rrill of the majority of the people.
Hrs. (iabel said she understood his points, but noted that he hadn't stated any
reasons £or wanting the alley closed. Mr. Sprafka said that it presented a
safety hazard £or the children of the neighborhood as there xere bushes perhaps
three feet high, and there was an unnecessary risk that a child could be hurt
by a mini-bike or automobile dri�ing through the alley. He also pointed out
that it was a dirt road and therefore very dnsty and dirty� and there were a
lot of weeds gro*.ring there that the City of Fridley does not maintain or try
to control. He added that there were a number of motorbikes from other parts
of the City that ride through the alley also. He said to sum it up, it was
unsightly and dirty� it was a safety hazard, and the housekeeping by the City
of FY�idley has not been adequate.
Afr. Langenfeld asked what the eactent o£ use xas of this alley right now other
than mini-bikes. Mr. Sprafka said there vas one family that used it to any
great extent right now, He added that perhaps an automobile would go through
the alley tvo or three times a day, maybe more; but the vast majority o£ use
came from one family.
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Mr. Langenfeld said Mr, Sprafka had mentioned dust, and asked him how he would
feel if the alley would be paved and became a regular thoroughfare. Mr. Sprafka
said he xould be opposed to it because the risk factor crould be increased. He
said that in terms of maintenance he was not asking that it be paved, but that
some of the holes be £illed in and the xeeds cut. Mr. Langen£eld asked i£ this
xas vacated trhat most of Mr. Sprafka's group planned to do xith that additional
footage. Mr. Sprafka said that �rould vary, and asked if it was necessary to
have an access for utility vehicles. Mr. Hoardman said that in vacated alleys
fences could be put up to the center line of the alley; hoWever, if a utility
company comes in and tears down the Yence it is not their responsibility. Mr.
Sprafka said that if the alley xas turned back to the property owners his oxn
personal preYerence Would be to sod it or perhaps plant hedges or trees. Mr.
Langenfeld asked if these were any plans for gardens and thi.ngs of that nature,
and Mr. Sprafka said he lmew of no such interest.
Mr. Langeni'eld said he would like to make it clear to the people in the audience
that the Planning Couunission is merely a recamnending body to the City Council.
Chairperson Aarris added that it was the first step in the process.
Mr. Peterson asked if the mini-bikes that were rei'erred to were used primarily
by people in the neighborhood� and hox frequent the use was; and also ii there
vere people Yrom other areas using the alley for:this purpose and i£ so, why
were they coming to this neighborhood to ride. Mr. SpraYka said that the people
who rode through on motorbikes� to the best of his lmoxledge� were mostly from
the neighborhood. He said he did not lmow for a fact that people were coming
from other parts of the city, but that coimnent had been relayed to him. He
stated that the frequency of use of the alley by the mini-bikes varied, and it
seemed to run in streaks and be sporadic.
Mrs. Shea asked i£ they had snowmobiles using the alley in the winter, and Mr,
Sprafka replied they did and that was a problem also. He stated that two years
ago several snowmobiles tiriped out 20% of his bushes. He added that the driving
back and forth o£ mini-bikes or snowmobiles i.n itself wasn't all that significant,
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but it was a matter of multiple problems. Mr. Sprafka stated that he thought
� oPten the convenience for one family is the inconnenience for another £amily�
and said he felt Lhe will of the majority vas very important,
Mr. Langenfeld asked how many children were involved in this block� and Mr,-
Sprafka replied that it was a very fertile neighborhood. He said there vere
a lot of children within the 23 residences, and also many on adjacent streets.
He added that at axy given time there would be perhaps fifteen to twenty
children pl�ying up and down the alley. He said that the number of children
£rom all the homes would be substantially greater than that.
Mrs. Gabel asked if in terms of mini-bikes and snowmobiles they were talking
about noise pollution, and if the noise factor was s3gni£icant. Mr. Sprafka
replied that Was not a big concern to him; but his objection was when a mini-
bike or snowmobile ran over the hedge, plus the additional risk factor. He
s�ated he felt it was an unnecessary risk and a child could be hurt.
Mr. Bergman said that since there were so many people in the audience and with
the suggestion that there is a close vote� he thought it would be xise at this
time to clarify for everyane some of the affects of the options involned. He
suggested there were three options:
1, Leave the alley designation as is.
2. Continue the obvious intent o£ the a11ey plan� which would be to
improve the alley.
� 3. Vacate the alley designation,
Mr, Bergman asked Mr. Boardman if he could clarif� some of the elements in
these three; such as in each case, who is responsible for the condition and
the maintenance; in the case of vacation, to whom does the property go and
does this affect ta�ces; in case of improvement, is there an assessment, etc.
Mr. Boardman stated that if the alley xas vacated for the entire length, half
of the property of the alley �rould revert to each of the property owners along
the alley and maintenance o£ the alley would also revert to the property oxners.
He said that they might have some slight increase in taxes due to the increase
in property acquired. Mr. Boardman said that if the alley was kept the v�y it
is, the City of Fridley would not maintain it because the City does not maintain�
per se� alleys that are unimproved, He said the weeds xould be cut occasionally�
perhaps once a summer. Mr. Boardman stated that if the alley remained and was
petitioned to make that a permanent alley with blacktopping� then the city xould
do the snowplowi.ng on that a11ey. He said in this case there would be an assess-
ment. Mr. Boardman said another option xould be to make it a dead-end alley, in
which case the City could not maintain it because a sno�plox could not turn
around in there. He said the maintenance would renert to the property owners
who vould benefit £rom that alley. He said that another possible way around this
if there rras a lot of objectionable traf£ic would be to put a gate on each end
of the alley and provide all of the property owners with a key to the gate,
� Mr. Azad Mesrobian, 29� Ely Street, stated that a 12' width had been referred to,
and he did not believe the alley to be that wide. He said a truck could not
get through there. Afr. Boardman said the City does have a 12' right-oY'-xay in
there� but there might be some Yences encroaching on the right-of-way.
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Mr. William Sicora, 201 Liberty Street r.E.� stated that he xas at the East end
• of the alley and that area vas a turn-around place for the snovmobiles and m:i.ni-
bikes coming doxn the alley. He said he personally had a tree destroyed on his
property by one of these bikes turning around, He added that grass doesn't grow
very well there and it is more or less being used Por a race track. Mr. Sicora
stated that he £elt an alley� so designated� should be used Yor access to
garages, but all the entrances to garages were from the front. He explained
that occasionally someone might want to park a vehicle or a boat in their back
yard� but that vould be a rare occasion. He stated there rras no logical reason
for a permenent alley there because of the set up oF the garages facing the street.
Chairperson Harris told the audience tnat anyone who wished to would be welcome
to look at a plat of the area to Yamiliarize themselves xith the area. Mrs.
Shea asked ii the alley across the street uas vacated� and Mr. Harris replied
that according to the plat map there xere no alleys in that area that were
vacated. Mr. Boardman said there were some nox� the one by Hachi.ne� Inc. and
one in t3lock 3•
Mr. Sicora stated that ir Lne alley were vacated he vould maintain the extra
Yootage and sod it� and he xas sure tne neighbors xould do the same. He added
that the dust made everything dirty, and he didn't think the alley was necessary.
Rev. Rodney Sandmon� 23� E1y Street� said he had just purchased the empty lot
that is there� and his feelings xere kind of in between. He asked if there was
any kind of ordinance saying that if there was one garage door facing an alley,
• that alley must remain open. Mr. Boardman said that to the best of his ]mosrledge
there xasn't, but they would take that into consideration. Rev. Sandmon stated
that he happened to have a garage door facing the alley. Mr. I.angenfeld asked
if it xould be permissable,.to partially vacate the alley, and Chairperson Harris
said it would depend on where the lot was. He determined Eev. Sandmon's property
xas lots 33 & 34� towards the center o£ the bloek.
Chairperson Harris asked Hev. Sandmon if he was neither £or or agai.nst the
vacation� and he replied that looking at both sides o£ it he could see there
was a problem. He stated that most people in the neighborhood had small
children� and they could get hit by a mini-bike or snoxmobile, However, he
continued� they could also get run over in the street� and that is where most
of them were. Rev. Sandmon stated that he had a detached garage and could get
black dirt through the alley or through his front yard� but the people next door
could not. He said they had a beautiful yard with a lot o£ shrubs, and if the
alley was vacated they could not get black dirt through their yard, but would
have to carry it by shovel from the front to tne back.
Mr. Clarence Godlewski� 228 F1y Street N,E.� stated that the mini-bikes did
come from across East Hiver Road and xent betxeen 30 and 50 mph down the alley,
and that should be against the law. He said i£ one child went out there, everyone
was going to be sorry. Mr. Godlexski stated that they had been taking care of
the alley for the City, cutting the grass and keeping the weeds from coming in
the yards. He continued that in the rrinter the snoy+mobiles weren�t too bad; but
• i£ everyone could get in through the front� rrhy have an alley in the £irst place.
Mr, Duane Motzko� 290 Ely Street N.E.� sai.d that his main concern was each year
the property taxes went up and the value of their property went up, but this
alley was a very unsightly thi.ng. He stated he felt it wasn't necessary, and
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if he had to haul dirt in he would bring it through his front yard. He added
• that his yard was fenced in and if the alley was vacated he xould not move the
fence back, but he would plant some trees and sod it in. He said he didn't
feel they could just say the}r were going to vacate the alley and let it go at
that. He stated he looked out his windox and sav these mini-bikes coming
through and kicking up dust, and he also wondered if a youngster got hurt on
that property r+ho xas liable.
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Mr. Peterson suggested that i£ there were people in the audience who wished
to speak against the vacation� that they be heard also. Chairperson Harris
e�cplained that they rrould hear the pros and cons one at a time so there xouldn't
be a verbal bravl. Mr. Peterson said he xould like to respectfully submit it
was the Chair's prerogative to keep the crowd in order� but in fairness to the
Commissioners they should hear the arguments against the vacating so they had
something to compare to. He stated he objected to hearing a11 of one side at
one time. Mr. Harris said he could guarantee they would hear both sides� but
as long as it xas the Chairman's prerogative, they would take the pros first.
Rev. Sandmon said he wanted to state his feelings were in between, but if
having the door in back of the garage xould stop the vacating o£ the alley,
and if he F*ould be the main cause of it, he could overlook that door. He
explained he had an eighteen foot door in front and a nine foot door in back�
so it really didn't make any dif£erence to him.
Chairperson Harris said they would now hear those people who crished to speak
against the vacation.
Mr. Marvin Hietala� 239 Liberty Street, N.E.� stated he had about twenty
signatures of people who did not want the alley vacated, but some of them
had changed their minds and signed the other petition. He said the first
concern rrould be the people in the middle of the block who did not have
access to their back yards through the front, and felt they needed the alley.
He said that assuming they do have an access, they didn't want big trucks on
their driveways delivering dirt� etc, He added that he felt it would reduce
the value of the properties. Mr. Hietala stated that as far as the safety
factor was concerned, he didn't think the street was any safer than the alley.
He said some garbage trucks quit using the alley and they had garbage piled in
the front street. He felt i£ the alley was open to utility vehicles it should
also be open to the residents. He stated iY it was chained it would become
a dumping area� and garbage trucks would not pick up; i£ gates were put in�
people would have to stop in the middle of the street xith their boats and
campers� and that would be dangerous. Mr. Hietala stated that they felt if
there was one person who needed the alley� that person should not be discriminated
against. He explained that people needed the alley for storage of boats or
campers� and the whole area xas designed with an alley in mind because o£ the
small lots. He told the Coimnission that they just had a playground pei,itioned
in, so the alley should not be a playground, He said that some people had been
asked to sign the petition for vacation even ii' they didn't care or not� and
he felt if people didn�t care they shouldn�t be asked to sign it anyway. He
stated there were other reasons� but this was part of them.
Chairperson Harris asked if he had a list oP the opposers� and Mr. Hietala
replied he did. He said the list had been £ormed in the last day or two.
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Chairperson Harris brought to Mr. Hietala's attention the list of people who
� had signed the original petition for vacation. Mr, Hietala said that the
Bartyllas had moved out� but Mr. Boardman explained they were still the fee
owners. Mr. Hietala said that there were three names on that list rrho had
chartged their minds.
Mr. Hietala said that certain people on the block had been using the alley
£or thirty years� and that should be good enough. He added that he� himsel£�
used it seneral times a year. He stated that he had talked to Councilman
Fitzpatrick� and he had said that if one person opposes this, it shouldn't
go through. He added that Councilman Fitzpatrick had said he lrnew o£ no case
where an alley had been vacated if there is opposition. Mr. Hietala said
he hadn't seen that many snowmobiles or mini-bikes, and on most days you could
pitch a tent in the alley and not see anyone for a fesr hours.
Mrs. Shea asked what the tiridth of the lots were� and Mr. Harris replied they
were 30� lots, and most people ovned two, He added that there was one lot,
which appeared to be lot 20� that was alone.
Mr. Langen£eld said that in looking over the nesrly submitted list� he found
three naznes that xere also on the original petition for vacation--Hentges�
Zukoxski and Poehler. He asked i£ the people who purchased these lots vere
aware of the uni.mproved alley at the time of purchase� and Mr. Hietala stated
that xas one o£ the reasons he bought the house--so he could get in the back
yard from the alley.
• Judy Zukowski, 21�9 Liberty Street N.E., stated that she had signed both petitions.
She explained that the first time she didn't really care if the alley Was open
or closed as it Kasn't a problem for her. She stated they had lived in the
neighborhood seven� going on eight years� and when they moved in her children
xere ages 3, 2 and 1. She said that noW they were 10, 9 and 7, so she had gone
through the small toddler stage. She told the Coimnission she didn't really
care that much� personalJy� irhether the alley was open or closed� but since
that time she had talked to many of her neighbors xho t.rould choose to be able
to put things in their back yards or build patios at some time in the fliture
and be able to use it for other purposes. She stated that she found the traffic
vas hardly a�ything at all compared to vhen she £irst moved in. Another thing,
she said� uas that a park had been petitioned in and if these children are so
small that they can�t play safely in the alley, then they have no business being
there. Mrs. Zukoxski stated that their lot was one of the srider ones (90'), but
because of the xay their garage was located they had only seven or eight feet
beside the garage and house, and it would be much easier to open up the back
to haul in cement� etc. She stated that some of the people in fanor of leaving
the alley the xay it is have lived there almost thirty years, while most o£ the
ones that xere compla9ning are the ones that have moved in recently. She added
that these people Imew the alley rras there and no one forced it on them,
Mr, Bryan xohl� 22Q Ely Street rv.E., said he bought his house last fall and his
garage vas built so close to the house he couldn�t park both of his cars there.
He stated he planned on moving his garage back about eight £eet, and the only
• w�y to get concrete in xould be to use the alley. He said he had two trailers
nhich he kept behind his garage, and i£ the alley xas closed he vould have to
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pull tnem through his i'ront yard. Mr. Kohl said that some people had made state-
ments that it was a safety hazara, but these same people are the ones whose
. kids played in the street and almost get hit. He added that his c� year old
son rides his bike in the alley sometimes, but mostly in the street, Mr. Kohl
suggested running something across the center of the alley to stop through
traffic but still allow people who nad access through the oack to use it. He
stated that some people had already put rocks in the alley, and he had to drive
on the grass to avoid tearing up the underside oT�his car.
Mr. Langeni'eld said that this seemed to be quite a large block, and asked if
the alley xas closed if it would hinder fire fighting. Mr, Kohl said he didn't
Yeel it would, and added that Mr. Brustad had a Fire not long ago and the i'ire
trucks came dovn the street.
Mrs. Noreen Poehler, 229 Liberty Street N.E., sai.d that after signing the
petition Yor vacation had changed her mind and vould like to get her name of£
of that list and put on the second. She said the reason she changed her mind
was because rihen they first talked about it� the main thing was Lhe factor o2'
the children getting hurt� and nobody wants to see somebody�s child get hurt.
Ho�ever, she didn�t think about the possibility that they might need the alley.
Afterwards� she sai.d, she got to thinking that they had recently had some black
dirt hauled in to their garden, ana the only way in is through the alley. She
said that was just one xay they xould use it. Mrs. Poehler said that as far
as the children getting hurt, no one wants to see that� but they did have a
playground one block away and there were the yards to piay in. She stated there
were a feW mini-bikes, and her son had one, but he only rode it occasionally.
• She continued that the traffic xas much less than it used to be a few years
ago; and she wanted to bring out the point that if it Was paved she thought it
Kould bring in more traf£ic as it would be a nicer place to drive through, and
none of them wanted that. She said she just wanted to mention that the alley
was used, not a lot by anyone, but it rrould be nice to have it open £or when
they did want to use it.
Mrs. Zukoxski said she xould also like to £ormally remove her name from the
original petition.
Mr. Donald Hof£, 215 Liberty Street N.E., stated that he had a small trailer
that he used occasionaaly� so he xould like to see the alley left open. He
added that his garbage man also used it� and if it were closed the cans would
have to be hauled to the street. He further added that as far as safety was
concerned� he didn�t feel there were that many children using it. Chairperson
Harris asked if he found mini-bikes or snowmobiles a problem, and Mr. Hoff
replied he did not. Mr. Peterson asked i£ he kept his garbage cans in the
garage� and Mr. Hoff replied he kept them in the back o£ his lot.
Mr. Francis Poehler, 229 Liberty Street N.E.� stated that his son had a mini-bike
and when spring came he used it a fex times but has now lost interest in it.
He said that he had never seen anybody doing excessive speeds in the alley,
and thought there xas more of a problem in the streets, Mr. Poehler said
that a couple of people had stated they Would like to put sod and trees in
• that area� and the txo people who said that live on each end of the alley.
He added that he didn�t use the alley that much� but would like it open so
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he could use it i£ he wanted to.
• Mr. Howard Walters, 262 Ely Street N.�:., stated he had lived there for almost
thirty years. He sai.d he had two boys who had cars and he had told them not
to come down the alley like it was a race track. He said he felt the people
were objecting because he used it. He stated he felt that if the utility
companies could use the alley and other people could use it, he xanted to use
it� too. He added that his son had a mini-bike and uses the alley. Mr. Walters
said he would like to see the alley stay the same so maybe the taxes would st�y
the same.
Mrs. Shea asked i£ this request had come up before� and Mr. Walters said it
came up several years ago by a fex neighbors xho xanted to put up a£ence at
that time. He said he xas asked about it and really objected� and he thought
the matter xas dropped and nothing further xas done about it.
Chairperson Harris asked one person from each side to siumnarize the £eelings
of his or her group.
Mr. Charles Sprafka stated that their intentions were good, and their main
concern was for their children. He said he had a small child that he tried
to xatch closely� but sometimes the child xould wander into the alley. He
stated they £elt it was in the best interest of the children to avoid a possible
accident and nacate the alley.
• Mrs. Marvin Hietala, 239 Liberty N.E., said she felt they had a legal right
to this access. She stated that if even one person had this right, she dicin't
think it should be taken away.
Mr. Bergman asked if anyone had an existing garage that faced the alley, and
the answer was no. He then asked if anyone would want the alley finished, along
with the assessment £or same� and one gentlemen said that if the alley couldn�t
be vacated he would just as soon see it improved. Chairperson Harris ezplained
this xas just a hypothetical question at tnis time, and in order £or that to
happen there would have to be a hearing before the City Council and it would be
their decision whether to improve or not improve the alley. He £urther ezplained
the Planning Cotmnission could possibly recommend that type o£ action in their
motion, but that would be a separate action.
Mr. Bergman stated he had looked at the so-called second petition against the
vacation of the alley, and his impression xas that those xere apparently valid,
individual signatures. He asked Mr. Boardman if he had £amiliarity with the
original petition £avoring the vacation o£ the alley and i1' those were valid
signatures also. Mr, Boardman said that the signatures could be found on page 83.
He noted that two of those people had £ormal�y requested their names dropped
off� and a third (Marge Hentges} had signed both petitions and was not in the
audience. Chairperson Harris said her name should then be dropped i'rom both
petitions.
• MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission receive
the petition in i'avor of the vacation of the alley. Upon a voice vote, all
voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
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MOTIOd by Bergman, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Cormnission receive
the petition against the vacation o£ the alley.
Mr. Langenfeld asked what the exact number of names were on the second petition.
Mr. Boardman said that maving Mrs. Poehler�s name to this one� there wouZd be
21 signatures, or 20 xithout Marge Hentges. He eacplained that on the £irst
petition (in favor of vacation)� excluding the names of rvoreen Poehler and
Judy Zukoxski (Hho asked their names be dropped) and Marge Hentges (who had
signed both but xas not in the audience) there were also 20 names,
At this point several people in the audience asked to have their names removed
from one list and added to another. Mr. Bergman said he would like to elarify
his motion. He stated that the oYficial� documented requests were part of his
motion� irith no other changes. Chairperson Harris said those people who wished
to add their names to these petitions should write a note and give it io the
secretaries in the office tomorrow� and it would be submitted to the Council
with the petition.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting �ye, the motion carried unanimously.
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MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by tiergman, that the Planning Cort¢nission recoimrtend
to the City Council denial of the request for vacation, SAV #76-04, by Karen
Mesrobian, to vacate the unimproved alley in iilock 11, Spring Brook Park
Addition� 7.ying between Liberty 5treet and Ely Street N.E.
• Mr, Langenfeld said that before he xent at�y flu�ther he srished to point out
that this is a difficult thing to do with the situation they had here. He
said that xithout question� safety was important to bear in mind� and the
matter of majority rules was also very important. He said he wished to deny
this vacation for the following reasons:
1. There appears to be uncertainty as to where the neighbors really
arish to go, as there is approximately a tie situation.
2, The purchaser, or renter, was aware of the unimproved alley and the
problems that could exist.
3. Safety is a problem no matter xhich way the vote xould go. In other
words, those that xere in the alley would go in the street, etc.
!�. As to the ruling as far as one person wishing to keep this alley
open� Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to see that veri£ied.
5. Mr. Langenfeld said he would Iike to see the Co�mnission recommend
as a separate action the possibility of improving the alley so there
would be no question as to its usage.
Mr. Bergman said he would like to conment that he seconded the motion with tne
lalowledge that there vas sizable opposition to the request to vacate the alley.
• Mrs. Gabel said that xith reference to improeing the alley� she didn�t think
it had been determined that the people want the alley to be improved.
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Chairperson Harris stated that it appeared that status quo xith the alley from
• the testimony they had received was not a desirable Yactor� and that something
had to happen rrith either impronement or traffic control. He said that it
seemed to him that the Police Department xas reluctant to patrol an unimproved
right-of-way. Mr. Harris said that the area vas almost built to its maximum,
so the situation that has existed since 1948, in his opinion, could not contimie
any longer. He said that either they were going to have an alley or they were
not� but if they were going to hane an alley it should be improved.
Mr. LangenYeld said that he would like to indicate that those who may object
to the outcome of this particular motion had the right to appeal to the City
Council. Chairperson Harris agreed and told the audience that their actions
were not £inal� and the City Council vould have Yina1 action on this.
Mrs, uabel stated that there had been a statement made earlier that if there
was one person against it, an alley xouldn't be vacated, and she ]mew that
wasn't true from personal experience. She said she wanted to state that so
some of the people wouldn't become discouraged.
UPON A RALL CALL VOTE� Bergman� Langeni'eld and Harris voted �ve; Peterson,
Gabel and Shea voted nay. The vote being 3-3� it was a tie vote.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission send this
on to the City Council with no recotmnendation. lipon a voice vote� all voting
aye, the motion carried unanimously.
. Cnairperson Harris said that this xould go on to the City Council i'or their
deliberation, and the Public Hearing would be set for August 9, 19/0.
Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 10:10 and reconnened the meeting at
10:35 P.M.
�A, FRIDLEY E1vVIHUNMENTAL QUALITY (:OMMISSION SCOPE
Mr, uoardman saia that the reason ne brought this up vas that in reading through
the minutes oY the IIivironmental Quazity Commission it seemed to him that they
were floundering for what their responsibilities are and What they should be
looking at. He stated that the whole point of the reorganization was to take
the load off the Commissions as far as the d� to day activity Work� and get
more into developing standards� goals� or guidelines xhich xould direct the
City Sta£f to carry the main load of those procedures. He said it seemed to
him that the Environmental Con¢nission was trying to take on some o£ that load
by itself with their suggestion o£ reviewing permits and reviewing home
occupations. Mr. Boardman said if the Fhvironmental Commission wanted to get
into this type of thing, it should be making recommendations on procedures to
follow so that the City Sta££ would follox that order and be doing the actual
inspections and permit processing.
• Chairperson Harris said that as he read the minutes he got the gist that xhen
they were talking about home occupations they were looking at the ordi.nance and
not the day to day activity work. Mr. Langenfeld said they had looked at the
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ordinance and then the discussion snowballed a little, and thsi they talked
• about certain people violating home occupation but if it didn't bother anybody
else, leave it alone, etc.
t�fx�, Hoardman said that on page 4 of the Fhvironmental Commission minutes it
stated "...the �vironmental Commission or some other coimnission should review
these applications a.ndividually to determine what is mi.ning in the City of
Fridley". Ae said that on page 5 it said "He also £elt these occupations
should be handled individually and a permit process should go through some
coimnission or public hearing oY some kind other than having the 2oning Admin-
istrator have sole responsibility°.
Mr. Hoardman said they xere trying to get rid of the load on the Commissions
as to the permit process, and this vas the xhole purpose of the reorganization�
along with putting the Commissions more into developing policies so that the
City Staff could follow. He stated that he had noticed this in other Coimnissions
also� where it seemed they xanted to get into the actual permit process. Mr.
Harris pointed out that it was a Staff person who had made the statement on
page 5 that Mr. Boardman had referred to.
Mr, Peterson pointed out that on page 6, Brother Sullivan had stated that the
Coimnission should make lmown to the Planning Coimnission that the F�vironmental
Coimoission intends to make recommendations or revisions on Chapter 212-Mining
Sand and Uravel. Mr. Peterson said that was basically what they were asked
to do.
• Mr. Boardman said that in not only looking at these minutes� but minutes from
before� alao� there was in some cases some feeling that they were not sure
o£ the direction they were supposed to go with this thing. Mr. Boardman again
stated that the whole purpose o£ the reorganization was to take the day to day
activity load of£ oi' the Cormnissions and get thera into policy development to
give Staff direction.
ASr. Langenfeld said there xas one thing Mr. Boardman m�V not have caught on
the mining disnussion, and sai.d they just merely wsnted to have the permits
shorm to the Commission while there was this state of limbo� and that they
ought to get an ordinance. Mr. Boardman said then the problem would be Srhat
they were going to do with them.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if he would have been better o££ merely saying something
to the effect that this ordinance isn�t very good and recommend a complete
re-wording. Mr. Boardman said that the Ehvironm��al Coimnission had been
somewiiat misdirected by Staff as £ar as what the UBC 70 was. He stated that
it was strictly a building code and grading that goes along xith bui3:ding, He
said that mi.ning and excavating xas completely different--the purpose there
xas to pull materials out of the ground for selling.
Chairperson Harris said that while they uere discussing 212 and Chapter %0,
he felt there was more to mining than just sand and gravel, and that was where
they had the hble in the ordinance. Mr. Boardman suggested calling it a Land
• Alteration Permit� and said there should be some type of a permit process
so they couldn't cut doWn trees and other things related to land alteration
without some type o£ a review or permit process.
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Mr. Langenfeld asked if they should then st�y away Yrom the wording of the
• ordinance but merely recommend that certain points be included. Mr. 13oaz'dman
said tney just wanted some direction. He said that if F�vironmental wanted
some controls over the alteration of grosrth or dirt on property, give StaPf
direction on that and they would write up a code. He added they should include
fill and any type of land alteration.
Mr, Peterson asked if when he was talking about land alteration Mr. Boardman
was talking about some home owner who decides to cut down a couple of trees
and put in some sod. Mr. Boardman said he vas talking mainly about earth
moving other than excavation for a home or structure� possibly even grading
£or a parking lot that is not connected to a building.
Chairperson Harris said he was concerned about the 120 acres of black dirt
or peat up North of 79th Street� between IIniversity and the railroad tracks,
that is being indiscrimi.nately dug out and le£t.
Mrs. Gabel asked if there xould be provisions for restoration of the land,
and Mr. Boardman said that was the whole idea. He said they were looking £or
something stronger than a$50 bond. He stated that these people were operating
without a permit� and there were £our separate operations going on up there.
He said he personally felt they should be shut down until they could go through
the permit process on the thing. Ae added that Mr. Olson had inspected and
allowed them to continue operation until such time as a meeting is set up with
all dirt-digging operations in order to start this permit process. Mr. Haz'ris
• said he £elt they should be shut down until they got some sort of an agreement
that they would grade o£f what is left there.
Mr, Langenield sai.d that on page 6 of the Ehvironmental Quality Coirunission's
mi.nutes they eould notice the coimnent made by Brother Sullivan� and pointed
out the statement made by Lee Ann Sporre which indicated they xere starting
to go in the right direction. He then asked Mr. Boardman if they xere supposed
to go into the actual wording o£ the oxdinance or not. He said he felt that
one ordinance was really bad� and they could sit up all night going over that�
so there was a problem. Mr. Boardman said that he thought it looked like it was
time for the City Staff to sit down and do up something they felt would be
necessary on it, and then bring it back to the IIzvironmental Coimnission. He
said he thought at this time they should see if they should shut down those
operations to make sure that more rape of the land does not occur.
Mr. Langenfeld said that as the Chai.rman of the Fridley Environmental Quality
Coimnission he would like to s�tate that the City of F'ridley should definitely
try to use whatever means to put a halt to the destruction of current soil
conditions and make sure it is restored to original order.
Chairperson Harris suggested issuing a permit to these operations for a specific
amount o£ time (30 - 60 - 90 days), frith the stipulation on the permit that at
the time the new ordinance comes into e£fect the old permit is then expired
and they must reapply under the new ordinance. He suggested Mr. Boardman talk
. to Mr. Herrick on this to make sure that they were on solid ground� and said
he just lmew from past experience that they rrere going to wind up in court With
at least one of tho� operations.
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Mr. Lsngenfeld asked ii they could drop this topic and wait for an ordinance
• to be drawn up, and then review it. Mr. 13oardman said he thought Mr, Olson
had delayed a meeting with the dirt diggers to bring this to the Ehvironmental
Coimnission to Yind ont what direction should be taken on it. He said he would
talk to some people tomorrow to see if they couldn�t shut down the operation
isrunediately and start working on an ordinance to bring before the l�hvironmental
Co�mnission as soon as possible.
Mr. Boardman said that as far as his concern as to the extent a Commission
gets into the d�y to day activities, in all cases he would Iike to see that
removed from the responsibilities of the Commissions and carried on by the
City Staff. He stated that the Commissions had other things to do besides
look at individual permit procedures,
RECEIVE HUMAta RFSOURCES COl�ffSSION MINUTES: JULY 1, 297b
Mrs. Shea stated she hadn't been at this meeting� bui could give a little
background on the one motion. She explained that in June Staff had asked
the Human Resources Cocmnission if they were budgeted with some money, what
their priorities would be. She stated this would be an alternative to the
way it vas handled last year when individual groups requested funding; the
Fine Arts Co�nittee, for example. She said that they sat down and tried to
work out a budget with the $10,000 figure that was given to them.
• Mr. Peterson asked if Mrs. Shea vas avare of' the fact that the Parks anci
Hecrestion Commission put the Senior Citizens in their budget, and said that
would be a duplication. Mrs. Shea ansxered that she was aware of that, but
didn�t think the other members o£ the Co�ission were. She said she thought
one of the reasons it was includea xas because last year they had printed
the Senior Citizens Bulletin� an4 that had come to about $1y0. She saic3
perhaps the Co7mnission thought iY tne Senior Citizens came to them again and
asked Yor this type of service� they would be able to provide it. Mr. Peterson
stated he tnought it was mostly a dup7.ication of what Parks and xecreation
put into their budget, and Mrs. Shea said tnat was quite possible.
Mr. doardman said that tnere might he some duplication under Youtn Center, also.
He stated that although Parxs and Hecreation did not budget 2or a Teen Activity
Center� the City Council at their lasi meeting did put it under the auspices
02' Parks and liecreation� and there will be funding £or a StaYY person to �e at
that center.
Mr. LangenYeld asxed iY' this taas an aruival budget,and Mrs. Shea repliea it was.
Mr. Langenfeld said he was not trying co be argumentative� but it seemed like
the reserve for contingency xas a bit excessive. Mrs. Shea said she had a feeling
they didn�t know what to do xith it. She stated that social services wasn�t
very vell explai.ned� but the City did get a request from Coon Hapids l�'amily
Services asking for considerably more than this.
• Mr. Bergman said he got the feeling that if the question were asked� "Hox much
do you need� and xhat for?", he had the impression the answer would come out
differently. Mrs. Shea replied she really didn�t lmor. She explained the
Human Resources Commi.ssion xas walking in the dark, and there was nothing £or
them to get a handle on in their Commission.
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Mr. Peterson said he had Yought the budget battle for a number of years� and
• asked if the City Manager all o£ a sudden had decided to spread money ail over
the city to be spent. He said that Mrs. Shea's statement of a Sta££ reco7mnendation
puzzled him a bit. Mrs. Shea said she thought the idea was that last year
they had sat up there and listened to these little requests� and this was so
they wouldn�t have to go throu�h that. Mr. Boardman said that he thought there
had been close to $10�000 requested from different organizations, so the
Human Resources Commission had been asked i£ they had $10�000� what their
priorities would be for spending. He stated that xas his interpretation, and
added that they rrere saying they had spent this amount of money last year and
rrere wondering if there xas something they had missed.
Chairperson Harris stated tnat he wasn't so sure that the w�y it was handled
last year might not be the best way. Mrs. Gabel asked Mrs. Shea if they were
given $10�000 as a budget, would they have total control over it or rould it
go through the process of the City Council still having the final say over
what was done with it. Mrs. Shea answered that this would go into the actual
budget� and maybe they rrould only allox $2�000� so they might take the top
txo priorities. Mr. Peterson said that according to City procedure, i£ Council
granted them a budget o£ $10�000� they could then spend it for anything they
wanted. He stated the Human Hesources Cormnission wouldn't even have to £ol2aw
their budget. Mrs. Shea interjected that this wasn't their budget, but the
city�s budget. Mr. Peterson said that once the City adopts the budget� for
whatever dollars it is� then that amount of money could be spent by that
particular Commission and not necessarily even £or the items they budgeted for.
• Mrs. Shea stated that this was not a Human Resources budget, but Kas out o£
the general fund and would not be listed as Human Hesources.
Mrs. Gabel asked Mr. Peterson when his Commission was given R number of dollars,
did they control di sb�sements. Mrs. Peterson answered yes and no. He said
if the Parks and Recreation Co�nission had been taudgeted $$00,000� the control
and the way that money is spent is about 96� City Msnager and Director and
lt�+ Commission. He added that they could move the monies within that lrudget
any way they xanted to and they didn't go back to Council or anyone else as
long as it was approved in that amount. Mr. Boardman said that was correct.
MOTION by Her�nnan� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission receive
the minutes of the Human Resources Cormnission meeting of July 1, 1976. Upon
a voice vote, all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously.
Mr, Langenfeld suggested that for clari£ication purposes they should just £orget
the figure of $10,000 and use just percentag,es or a pro rata portion of R dollars.
He said that way they could establish where priorities did lie. Mr. Boardman
told Mr. Langenfeld that they did have to set a certain limit on the thing. He
said he thought they had spent this amount of money last year, and they were
wondering if they had spent it wisely or if there were more worthwhile organizations
that could be flmded� and this was what they were asking Human Hesources. He
stated they were not budgeting money to Human Hesources or doing anything yet.
Mr, Peterson said that last year when requests came through the Human Resources
• Commission to Planning to City Council, they were earmarked for special purposes
and tnat was the only vay they could be spent. I£ it was in general budgeti.ng�
he continued, the City Manager would have the authority to spend it anycray he
wanted to within that budget and not necessarily on those items.
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Mr. Bergman asked iF they vere really trying to find out from Human Resources
• what they suggest be included in the budget for their activities. Mr. Boardman
said he was not sure what the intent o£ the City Manager's office w�s, �t he
thought they were wondering i£ the money spent last year was wisely spent or
should there be other things that should be funded. Mr. Aarris said that unless
somebody came in and made a request and asked� how were they supposed to Imow
what they are, Mr. Boardman said he thought this thing may be a bit premature
because when goals and objectives were established� those objectives would be
laid out and priorities would be established.
Mr. Peterson stated he liked the way it was handled last year� because this
way it would go into the general budget and they wouldn�t imow where it went.
Mr, Harris said he thought that was the way it should be done--the vay it vas
last year. Mrs. Gabel stated that she thought the Human Resources Commission
did an ezcellent job, and she would like to see them have a handle on it.
Mrs. Shea said that in regard to Social Services, she thought the main reason
this came about was because Coon Rapids asked for $30,000 from the City ot
Fridley because Fridley people do use the Family Service. Mr. Boardman said
it was also because Coon Rapids xas running into fiscal monetary problems.
Chairperson Harris said if the Family Service was being used by more than one
community in the county� then it should be a county function.
Mr. Langen£eld stated he Felt they should vote not to concur with the motion
by the Humen Resources Commission� and then submit a motion that Council consider
at least $5,000 (this rrould be excluding duplications of the Youth Center and
• Senior Citizens) of pub7.ic money from generaZ contingency i'unds to be allocated
to the Human Resources Commission for the cultivation o£ human resources
developanent in the City. Mrs. Shea commented that she wouldn't like to see
that money allocated to the Human Resources Coimnission.
Mr. Peterson said he would like to offer as a possible motion that the Planning
Commission concur with the Human Resources Commission in the need for cultivation
of human resources, and that thg� flirther recocrmiend that the spendi.ng of this
come through on a recorranendation from Human �esources to Planning to Council
to be spent out of the contingency fund. He stated that the requests should be
considered on an application basis.
Mrs. Gabel said she wondered if they shouldn't give Mrs. Shea the opportunity
to take this back to her Cornmission� but Mrs. Shea said she didn�t think that
was possible as the Council rrould be looking at the budget starting August 2.
Mrs, Gabel asked Mr. Boardman iY this taas somehox being xorked into the budget
since it was a Staf£ member who made the recotrunendation, and he replied he
rather doubted it.
Chairperson Harris said he thought xhat they were trying to do is earmark�
somehow� $10,000 for all of the projects that come through here. He said that
then xhen a project went through the Planning Commission and got to Council
and they approved ii� they would have $10�000 i.n this fund and could ilxnd it
. from there. Mrs, Gabel said they should £ind a way to see that some money
does get speni on things like H'ine Arts. Mr. Langenfeld co�nented that this
was an invitation to Pandora's Box.
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Chairperson Harris said they thing that scared him was that it xould be learned
• that the City had $10�000 to spend on this type oF thing, requests would come
through and be funded and the $10,000 would be disbursed. Then, he said, if
one more request came though, Council xould say they couldn�t fund it as the
$10,000 had been spent, and that mi.ght be just the one that should be granted.
Mr. Boardman said that was xt�y they wanted to see what the priorities were.
Mr. Harris said the problem xith this rras that it was going to wind up like
all the communities down at the HUD of£ice trying to get pet projects approved.
He said they would probably have twenty requests for $5,000 apiece.
MOT10N by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission
recommend to Council that they do not concur with the recoir¢nendation by the
Human Hesources Comnission that Council consider that at least $10,000 oi'
public money be allocated to the broad area of cultivation oY human resources
developnent in the City of Fridley, and also does not concur with the budget
disbursement of the $10�000 as reconnaended by the Human Resources Commission.
Upon a voice vote, Harris� Bergman� Langenfeld� Peterson and Gabel voting aye,
Shea a6staining, the motion carried.
MOTION by Peterson� seconded by tsergman, that the Planning Coimnission agree
with the Human Resources Conmiission in cultivation oi' human resources develop-
ment xithin the City of rYidley, realizing that some oi' these should be supported
by City monies, and recommend to ihe City Council that each request snould
come through an appeals process through the Human Hesources Commission to Planning
Commission to City Council.
� Mr, Langenfeld asked i£ Mr. Peterson felt he should indicate some kind of source,
such as contingency flutd. Mr. Peterson said he didn't think that was necessary
as it rrould be handled out of tne contingency Yund anyway. He added that ne
didn�t like to set a dollar li.mit because in 1977 it might be more or less than
last year.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
i�, CONTINUEU: RECONIMENDATIOdS Un HfJHAN DEVF,I,OPMEaT GOAIS AnD OtiJECTIVES
I�Ir, noardman said what he xas looking f'or at this time was development oi' Goal
Statement D100, and trying to xork that out. He said tnat this was what was
brought beYore the Planning Commission as Parks ana xecreation goals� and they
had been re-xorked and put into those £ive program objectives. He told the
Commission that what he was looking for from them now was direction as to
whether this is the proper way to go on it.
Mr, Peterson said he wished to discuss something that wasn't necessarily
germane to D100� but he thought it was something the Commission should be
aware of. He stated that a couple of months ago at a Council meeting Parks
and Hecreation was criti8ized by Councilperson Kukowski, and after they thought
about it £or avhile they decided she probably was right. Mr. Peterson said the
• Parks and Recreation Coirunission then started a project committee to only look
at recreation within the City of Fridley. He told the Commissioners that if
they had any thoughts on that it would be well to get in touch with that
committee. He added that maybe their Conunissions vould want to discuss it
now that they do have this project committee activated.
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Mr. Bergman asked if it zaas the intent of D100� xhich encompassed through D154�
. to be Park and Hecreation's descriptive program objectives, program plan, goal
statement, and so on. Mr..Iioardman said that was correct. Mr. Peterson said
his understanding was that xas true, but with the feeling that at any time that
the Parks and Recreation Commission through the process of bringing it to this
body and to the City Council could expand this as the need arises. Mr. �3oardman
said this would be a very flexible program because program objectives could be
added� and even goal statements,:.if necessary.
Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Boardman if he really felt that from a weight analysis
that if he took the items as described� thst the enumeration of items relative
to recreation and enumeration of items relative to park design and enumeration
of items re2ative to elderly activities, etc,� carried in terms of weightiness
in the documentation some relativity to the aeightiness in actual practice. He
said that by actual practice he was including staffing, funding, expenditures�
etc. In other words, he said, he could look at ehat xas written and read a
balance of a ma�'titude of activities. He said his question was� does that
same balance actually exist in reality, or shouldn't he be trying to relate
balance,
Mr. Boardman said he thought Mr. }iergman xas looking at 110, 120, 130 and 150
aZZ relati.ng to parks, and 1l�0 relating to recreation. He said he thought
this was what Mr, Bergman vas looking at as far as weightiness, but it didn�t
necessarily rrork that way. He stated that recreation vras one scope xithin the
parks area, and park development was broken dosm into several things: park
• system; individual park land as far as development, aesthetic qualities, etc.;
people or public participation vrith park's programs; special management of
those parks for recreation. He added that recreation rras another program. He
said that this was not set up so there vas a balance o£ things by counting the
number of goals. Mr. Boardman explained that all of the balance in recreation
might be handled in one goal or one program objective� whereas £our objectives
might be needed to handle what was wanted in a parks system.
Mr, Peterson said that to ansxer the question another ray, that while it Zooked
top-heavy as far as facilities versus program� the �77 bndget is 3-1 program
versus facilities in terms of what they had requested. Mr. riergman then read
D1ly0� and asked if that was balanced if it was looked at in terms o£ age group.
}fr. Peterson said that was a difficult question to answer, but in terms of
priorities the maximum amount would be spent on young peope, the second most
important segment would be the senior citizens� and the third xould be those
represented as this body as they had the money and £acilities to go elsewhere
and xere also working and had less time to use the facilities.
Mr. Langenfeld said that he had his notes on this item from rrhen it was discussed
previously� and commented that under D100 they had apparently decided to rp omote
s adequate park facilities, not �rovide. He also had noted that under D131 he had
marked the handicapped, and asked if this would be speci£ied as Parks and
Recreation or just Human Develo�nent. Mr. Boardman said this would just be
Human Development� anci wouldn�t be specified as Parks and kecreation. He
• stated that the only reason he had put in D231 and D232 was to give some
examples� and although the handicapped might go in someplace, he was not sure
if it would go under D130 or not.
Mr. Bergman said he thought the general outline looked well organized� and asked
Mr. Boardman What he was eapecting from the Conunission. Mr. Hoaz'dman replied
Planning Con¢nission Meeting - July 1�, 1976 Page 2� 6�
he was looking Yor �pprovai.
• Mr. Langeni'eld said he woul.d like to reco�nend that the Planning (:ormni.ssion
approve the goal statements as recortunended�one statement at a time� so they
xould be making some headvay. Mr. lierp,�nan said he agreed� but would like to
make one suggestion. He stated that on goal scatement D100, he recalled that
at some time in the past he had made the comment that providing park
facilities would not ensure his health and well being. He said it might
promote it� but it wouldn't make him healthy� and suggested that ensure be
changed to rp omote. Mr. Boardman said that would be fine.
Mrs. Shea brought up Mr. Langenfeld�s suggestion aboui putting in somewhere
something about the handicapped, and the Commissioners agreed they wanted to
see that, Mr. Boardman said they would get into that.
MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission
take these on a goal statement basis on1y. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
MOTTON by Bergman, seconded by Uabel, that the Planning Commission accept
goal statement D100 as stated. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
YOuTH CENTER DISCUSSION
• Mr. Boardman i.nformed the Cormnission that the (:ity (:ouncil had taken action
on the Youth Center� and had given the Con¢nissions that vould be involved
thirty days to come up with a representative on the Charter.
Mrs. Gabel said she would like to mention that there xas a member on the
Appeals Commission who xould like to serve� if they were looking for members.
She added that she understood this individual helped to organize a youth center
in another state some years back, and he would like to assist.
Chairperson Harris asked if the Cormnission �anted a member of this Con¢nission
to serve on the Board, or if they vanted to appoint someone else besides a
member.
Mr. Boardman said that first of all, the people appointed at this time would
be appointed to a temporary Board oY Directors to serve'not more than thirty
days. He stated that during that time they would rrrrite the charter, establish
interim rules for the youth center and £acilitate the election for regular
members to the permanent board. He stated that the appointed ex-officio members
would also serve on the permanent board� an�i that the six regular members o£
the temporary board would have also the ex-officio members of the Fridley City
Council, the Fridley Police Department, and the Parks and Recreation Commission.
He added that when the charter Was written� those of£icio members would continue
on the permanent board.
, Mr. Bergman stated that he recollected that the proposal was that these members
be teenagers. Mr. Boardman disagreed� and said they had wanted supervision
from the di££erent Commissions in the vriting of their charter.
Chairperson Harris requested an answer to the question he had posed; and again
asked if' this Commission wished to appoint a member i'rom the Commission as their
appointee, or iY they wished to go outside the Commission.
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Mr. Langenfeld answered that in his personal opinion, they should appoint someone
• from the outside and have that individual inform them of what xas going on
periodically. Mrs. Gabe2 said she thought they had worked on this so much they
had a lot of preconceived ideas� and thought if they appointed somebody from the
outside that didn�t have any set ideas as to hox this should be done they could
probably work with the youth a lot better.
Mr. Bergman stated he had an alternate thought, and stated that he was thinking
that since they a11 had spent some time on this and had some lrnovledge oP it,
it would make some sense that this Imowledge be applied to this function rather
than pulling in a stranger who had no background in this at all.
Chairperson Aarris said that if the Con�nission decitied to appoant one of its
members to the temporary board, he feLt it only £air that he volunteer as he
was the only one who had only two Wednesday nights to attend per month.
MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Gabel, that Mr. Harris be the Planning Commission's
appointee to the Youth Center's temporary board of directors, Upon a voice
vote, all vot9.ng aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Boardman said that hopeflilly the Chairmen now could serve notice to their
Cotmnissions on this as to how they want to handle appointing members or ex-officio
members at a Commission level,
Atr. Fsergman stated that he was going to suggest or request to Community Develop-
. ment that they get a volunteer to serve on this. He said tnat all of these
representatives xere slated to be Yrom some funetion, and asked if' ii wouZd be
possiDle to filter a volunteez�s name through Mr, Boardman. Mr. Bergman said
that if they had a volunteer� he could serve as a representative Yor any one
of these functions.
•
Mr. Boardman saia it looked to him that the youth were looking for a member
from each oi' the Commissions because those persons on that Commission srere aware
oi' that Commission's Yunction. Mr. Harris said the reading he got from the kids
rras that they wanted a member i'rom the City Council� the Planning Commission, etc.
Mrs. Shea said she was assuming that they would allox someone to sit in and make
suggestions} but they wouldn't have a vote.
Mr. }3oardman said it looked like the youth had selected the Planning Commissiona
the Parks and Recreation Commission and the Human Resources Commission as
Commissions that would help get the charter going.
ADJOUHNMENT
MOT10N by Langen£eld, seconded by Shea� that the meeting be adjourned, Upon a
voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Harr3s declared the Planning Commission
meeti.ng of July 11�, 1976 adjourned at 12:21 P.M. by unanimous vote.
Hespectfully submitted,
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HiJMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION
MEETING
JULY 1, 1976
MEMBERS PRESENT: Nancy Lambert, William Scott, Grace Lynch, Harold Belgum
MEMBERS ABSENT: Barbara Shea
OTHERS PRESENT: Jan Konzak, Administrative Assistant
, Jim Bruder, Chairperson of the Fridley Fine Arts Committee
Vice-Chairperson Lambert opened the meeting at 8:05 p.m
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 3, 1976, HUI�IAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING:
MOTION by Harold Belgum, seconded by William Scott, to approve the minutes of
the June 3, 1976, Human Resources Co�ission meeting as written. Upon a voice
v�te, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
MA.TERIAL FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON REQUESTS FOR FUNDING FROM ORGANIZATIONS:
Mr. :fim Bruder was present at the meeting to make a formal request to the Human
Resources Commission for budget support for the Fridley Fine Arts Committee.
Mr. Bruder expLained that the Fridley Fine Arts Committee is currently a sub-
committee of the Human Resources Commission working also in conjunction with the
Fridley Community Schools, so they currently are a subcommittee jointly under the
Human Resources Commission and adjunct to the Fridley Community Schools. They
are receiving funding from both areas.
Mr. Bruder reviewed with the Commission the three pages of the Fine Arts Committee's
budget--the 1976 Budget Report, the Proposed 1977 Budget, and the 1977 Funding
Source Requesi,. He said they had a$2,800 budget for 1976 and by the end of the
current year ending December 31, 1976, they will expend the complete $2,800.
He stated that their funding requests for 1977 are $1,000 from the City of
Fridley through the Human Resources Commission and $1,000 from the Community
Schools. He said the contribution from the Community Schools for 1976 was $1,800,
but they felt it was better to balance the contribution between the City of
Fridley and the Cemmunity Schools.
HUI�IAN RESOURCES COMMISSIGN MEETING, SULY 1, 1976 Page 2
Mr. Scott congratulated Mr. Bruder on the tremendous production they pul- on of
"You Can't Take it With You", He said the benefits to this community for that
prodaction cannot be measured in dollars and cents and said he felt the funding
request for $1,000 was a very modest request.
Mr. Scott asked Mr. Bruder what his feelings caere about the Fine Arts Committee
becoming a separat'e commission.
Mr. Bruder stated that he has talked with the other members of the Fine Arts
Committee and there are many, not a11, who feel it should be a commission. He
said, as chairperson and trying to make the coannittee run. he has not aiven it
much thought and has remained neutral. He said he could see the Fine Arts Committ2e
growing to that stature and becoming fully funded by the City, if possible. He sai.cl
it was very difficult, in the area of Fine Arts, to be self-supporting.
Ms. Lambert stated that last fa11 the project committee's recommendation when
they made their evaluatien was that ultimately the Fine Arts Committee should be
a separahe covm�ission, with equ�l rights with the Parks & Recreation Comc�ission.
It is something to work on and should be the ultimate goal.
Atl the Commission members agreed that the budget request of $1,000 for. the
Fridley Pine Arts Committee was a reasonable request.
MOTION by William Scott, seconded by Grace Lynch, thai at the aext Fine Arts
Committee Boar.d meetiag, Mr, firuder pass on to the Cerranittee members th.e Human
Resourees Commission's congratulations on the fine work they have dene and the
Commission's hope that they wi11 continue i.n this fine czork. Upen a voice vote,
all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
The Commission members listed the fo7lowing priorities of the organizations
they felt should be granted requests for funding:
Harold Reigum
1. Fine Arts Comnittee - $3,000
2, Youth Center - $3,000
3. Senior Citizens - $3,Q00
William Scott
1. Youth Center - $3,000
2. Fine Arts Committee - $1,000
3. S.A.C.A. - $ 500
4. Senior Citizens - �3,000 ?
5. NucZeus Clinic - $1,OD0
(with the provision that the
Commissiou have someone on
the board of directers)
Grace Lynch
i. Transportation -
2. S.A,C.A, -
3. Counseling -
4. Youth Center -
5. Fine Arts_
Committee -
Nancy Lambert
1. Fine Arts
2. Youth Center
3. Senior Citizens
4. Social Service
75%
1 CP/>
1 CP/
4%
1%