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PL 07/28/1976 - 6589CITY OF fRIDLEY �, A G E N D A PLANNING COMMISSION MfETING JULY 28, 1976 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSIDN MINU7ES: JULY 14, 1976 RECEIVE SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION MINUTES: JULY 6, 1976 ' RECEIVE SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION MINUTES: JULY 14, 1976 RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: �ULY 13, 1976 RECEIVE COMP4UNITY DEVELOPMENT MINUTES: JULY 13, 1976 1. C HEARING: CON 7:30 P.M. PAGES 1 - 25 26 - 33 34 - 38 39 - 49 5D - 54 A PRELIM- 55 - 60 Being a replat of Lots 1 to 4 lnclusive, �iocKS zi ` through 26, and also part of Lot 1, Block 28, Inns- � bruck North Townhouses Third Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages, generaa7y located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Public Hearing open. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: 3. � A PRELIMINARY PLAT pALEN BUILDERS: Being a replat ot part ot LOt 4, uditor s Subdivision No. 25, to clarify the legal description of a building site generally located at 441 Hillwind Road N.E. CONTIMUED: HUMAN DEVELOPMEAT GDALS AND OBJECTIVES 61 - 65 66 - 67 � -!l � C1'1'Y OF FRIDLF.Y PLANNING COMMI.`,SION MEI'.TING JULY lli, 1976 CALL TO OkDrP.: Chairperson Harris called the rneeting to order at 7:36 P.I�'.. ROLL CALL: PA(;n 1 Members 3'resent: Harris� kSergman� Langenfeld� Peterson� Shea� Gabel (atiending for Schnabel) Members Absent: None Others Preseni: Jerrold Boardr�an, City Planner APFRCVE PLANNING COhi�;ISSION i�SINliT�S: JU:uF. 23. 1976 Mr. Bergman stated that on page 11�, 3rd paragraph, it should read Nr. Robert Schroer was not present. Mrs. Shea said she had a couple of minor cnanges, and noted that or. June 23rd � Mrs. �rlahlberg was no longer ,•Jahlberg but Mrs. Schnabel. She also stated ii<at Mr. Boardman's stat°ment on page 9, second paragraph, gave the impression tney were discussing more than one green�ouse� and asked that "small greenhcuses" be changed to "a small greenhouse'�. Mr. Langenfeld asked that his statement on page 9, l�th par2graph, 25IL1T1�' ii' there was a large degree of heat be changed to excessive heat, ife said ae also wished to explain that on page 10,.lith paragraoh, wi�ere he �ras talking about if a fellow neigiibor had stuck this in the back yard, his idea was to merely say that Staf'£ would be the first to be right there to make him move it. Mrs. Uabel stated she would like tne following sentence adde:� to her statement � on page 19� last paragraph (continued on p2ge 20): Perhaps someone cou73 loox into this and see if something couldn't be done so a better-situation couid be set up. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission minutes of June 23, 197b be approved as corrected. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. I•fINUTES OF Tii� SP�C1�11. ?4E;.TINt; OP' THF .., Mrs. Shea noted on nage 30 of the minutes� the last sentence in the btn paragraph, � which read: At this point in time, he (Atr. Yeterson) doesn't think our ordinance is really set up to allow the Conunission to create project committees without appointing a chairperson for them. She sLated that the i3uman Hesources Commission had a completely opposite viewpoint� and wondered if this shouldn't be discussed Planning Commission Meeting — July 14, 1976 Page 2 at some point. She added that they allowed their project committees to elect their own chairper:>on. Mr. Peterson stated that the new ordinance imolied that the person who was a member of the Commission could serve� or that tne Commission coula appoint someone other than the Commissioner to be the cnairperson, i+lrs. Shea disagreed, and said it didn't really say that one way or another, and she felt it needed clarification. She stated the comriittee may be chaired b,y a member of the Commission and at least one member of the Commission snall act as liaison, Mr. Boardman stated he thought it aas pretty much the prerogative of the Commission when they set up the regulations for the committees. Chairperson Harris said that was the way he understood it, and added that he thought it was within the realm of the individual member corunissions and the wa_y the,y wanted to handle it. Mr. Peterson said he just didn't want to be giving wrong information to the rest of the Commission, but there was no problem as far as he uras concerned. Mrs. Shea asked if it k�ould be possible to get a map at some time from Parks and Hecreation on the project coromittee areas, and hlr. Soardman passed out to the Commission copies of the r�aps, M01'lON by Peterson� receive the minutes meeting o£ .Tune 14, unanimously. seconded by Langenfelds that the Planning Commission of the Special.P�ieeting of the Parks and Recreation Commission 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried HECEIVE L�'NVIRONM�,'NTAL �UALITY COi•?�•SISSSON MINUTES: .TUNS 1''j, 1976 Mr. Langen_°ald stated that the last sentence in the ltth paragraph on page u0 should read must instead of most. He also commented that on page 42, the last sentence in the third paragraph should read Lead Anoka County Ehgineer. Mr. Boardman said he would like to discuss some of the problems that the F'ridley Environmental Quality Cornmission was having in £inding a direction to go--their scope. He stated he thought it might be caise to have some direction come down from the Planning Cor,L^�ission to the Fhvironemntal Commission. Mr. Harris suggested adding that as Item 3A. � � MOT10N by Peterson� seconded by Bergman, that the Flivironmental Quality Cor�mission�s direction be added to the agenda as Item 3A, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Langenfeld k�here they were on the mining ordinance� and Mr. Lan�en£eld said the Commission members had decided to read Code 70 and the mining ordinance and also Golden Valley's and take down their comments. He said they then wanted to come up with a new Code 211 mining ordinance. D10TION by Shea, seconded by Langen£eld, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the D�vironmental cluality Co�runission meeting of June 15, 1976. Upon a voice•vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. � i � � � Planning Commission Meeting - July lU� 1976 Page 3 HECEIVE PlutxS & RECxEATTOPd COMt�[ISSIGta 1•tInuTES: JUNE 28, 1976 � Mr. Yeterson saia he would like to point out the two items that were added to the a�enda on page 1�6. He stated that these were items that� b,y motion, �aere to be part of the June a�;enda; but due to an oversignt tney wiere inadvertentl,y lert off. Mr. Langenfeld stated that he had attended tne June 28th meeting of the P�rks and Recr�ation Commission and com^�enied Lhat i�ir. Peterson handles a Com�:.i= �ion very w ell. Chairperson Harris said that he had a auestion on project cornittees, and noted that as he read through he noticed tnere �rere some corruTittees that seemed erell- staYYed and some weren't so v�ell-sta.ffed, htr. Peterson said that when the idea was first brought to the rest nf the Commission th=re tended to be =ome doubts that they would be able to fill thirteen neighbornood project corunittees, so the course of action that was decideci upon was that the Commission ti�rould take the responsibility to apnoint thirteen cnairpeopl.e, rie stated tnat eacn Commissiorier was to bri.ng in all of ihe names of people he knew who i,ould like to serve, He continued that they had gotten a front page article in the Sun stating thai anybody who was interested should call in� and memos were sent to each member of the Planning Commission and each Cit,y Council person asking for suggestions. Mr. Peterson stated that the reason some areas have mo:^e ❑a;aes than others was because they didn't get many names suggested out of a neighbor- hood. '� Ghairperson Harris noted that in neighborhood 11 there ioas no one on the committee. P",r, Peterson said he Nrould like to respectfully note that 1•.r. N.arris, as Chair- person, Nas given the oppo^tun'_ty to submit names for each one of the neighbor- hoods; and also, the Park Commissioner who accepted resoonsibility for t!�at particular area had not sent in any names. i•Ir. Peterson stated that at t�is point the chair would probably exercise his prerogative and make an arbitrarv appointment, but that was against the rules of procedure that was established by the Commission. He added that so�netning would be done; either the chair would exercise his prerogative or the Commissioner would be contacted one more time ana asked far a name for that area. •Chairperson Harris asked if Mr. Peterson had received the list of naries he had submitted for area 3. Mr. Peterson said he was sure they did, but he couldn't say he handled it personally. Mr. Harris sai.d he had given Air, t3oardman a verbal list� and he had written it down. pir. Boardman stated he had given that list to Mr. Peterson. A1r. Harris said he would be sure to give hir. Boardman another list� and added that his concern was that every area get representation. rir. Peterson said he wanted to comment that some of the Staff' and some of the Commissioners were astonished and very pleased at their last meeting when they had the classroom almost 1'ull of inLerested people who had volunteered to serve on a project comcaittee. He furth�r said that they had 11 out of 12 appointed chairpersons attend� plus four or five people in addition to the chairpersons. He said it was even beyond the expectations that he and t�Ir. tioardman had. 1�1r. . Peterson told the members oi' the Commission that ii tiiey had names to go in any Planning �ommission Meeting - July 1�, 1976 Page 4 area to please submit them as they were still working with the chairpeople. He also pointed out that the names Yor each project committee would be submitted � to the Commission 1'or review so they wouldn't have one chairperson and Tour neighoors� as tney wanted representation from the entire neighborhood. MO'1'ION by Peterson, seconded by tsergman, that the Planning Commission ^eceive the minutea of the Parks and Hecreation Commission :neeting of June 28� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� tne motion carried unanimously, RECEIVE APPEAIS CONC�II5SION MIriOTES: JUPJE 29, 1976 Mrs. Uabel said that these minutes were not available at the Appeals Commission meeting.held July 13th� but in reading them over she did not see any corrections or additions. Chairperson Harris said that again he �aould like to commend the Appeals Commission £or their diligent work� and added that it seemed they iaere handling a vast amount of work lately and doing it in an expeditious manner. MOTION by Gabel� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the �ppeals Commission meeting of June 29, 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, Mr. Fe*,erson said that before moving on to the next item he wanted to comment that the Parks and Recreation Commission had a special meeting on July b concerning the budget� and he had hoped that the minutes would be available at this time. � Mr. Boardman explained those minutes were in the'process o£ being prepared, Mrs. Shea noted they had not yet received the minutes of the Human Resources Commission meeting o£ July 1� 1976. Chairperson Harris suggested these minutes be held and added as 3B on the agenda. MOTION by Shea� seconded by Gabel� that the Human Resources Corranision minutes o£.the July 1, 1976 meeting be added as Item 3B on the agenda. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. TABLED: PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION Or� A Vitn'r1Uiv: tieing a replat o1" Lots 1 to 4 inctusive, iilocks 21 through 2b, and also part of Lot 1, Block 28� lnnsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition� to allow changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Public Hearing open. Mr. 23oardman explained that Mr. James London had called and asked that this item be continued as he could not attend this meeting. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by t3ergman, that the Planning Commission table the � Public Hearing on consideration o£ a preliminary plat� P.S. #76-05� lnnsbruck North keplat Third Addition, by Darrel A. r'arr Development Corporation� with the Public Hearing open� until the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission. llpon a voice vote� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. Planning Commission Meeting - July 1�, 1976 Page 5 2. PUULIC HEAHINti: RE�UFST FOR A SPECI ;L USF. PEHMI'P SP /{76-10 3Y YOUVA � U,� it: er 'ri. le,y City Codc� ;ectir,n '0�.05?, 2� A. to allow ths con�ru�ion of a second accessnry building� a detached double parage for storage of two Model "A" automobiles� on Lot 20� iilock !t, Moore Lake Hills Addition, the same bein�; 1337 1[illcrest Drive Iv.E. Mr, youva Klucsar was present. MOTIOiY by Peterson, seconded b,y tierp,man, that tne Plannin� Co•nmission onen - the Public Hearing on tne requesL for a Speci.al Use Permit, ::P 1i76-10, b,y Youva Klucsar. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing ppen at 8:05 P.t�I. Mr. Boardman explained that this :ras a re�uest for a Sneciai use Permit for a seconii accessory building to house two i•iodel "A" automobiles. He said thzt at the present time the cars 1:�ere outside and t9r. K�ucsar would liYe to ccnstruct a�two-car garage to store these in, and added that he oresently had an�ttached garage to the house. P9r. lioardman exolained this would be located in the rear yard toward the Northwest corner oi tne prooerty, and said tnai St2ff had no ob�ections to this with tt•ro stipulations: 1) This garage cannot and will not be used £or home occupa.tion, and 2) It must meet all setback code requirements and cannot be set any closer to the front yard than the neignboring house to the ?dest. I9r, Klucsar stated that he would be willing to meet all the regulations oi' the �Cit.y of N'ridley. He said that this garage would be used to store nis � cars because they were not being used for traaisoortation� and he also liked to keep his front garage clean so :ahen the g2rage rioor was ooen it urould look neat and not cluttere3. Chairperson Harris asked hoer large a buil.ding he was proposing, and I�?r. Klucsar ansc•rered about 22' X 22' or 22' % 2tt'. He said he would be m�illing to follow whatever the city ordinznce said, but the main thin� was to get tne cars under cover. Pir. Klucsar stated that he t,as told ,�hen he moved in that he could build another gzrage� and if he had lmo�an he couldn't he wouldn't have bought the house. A4rs. �abel said she would like to knox hoca big the lot iaas� and ?1r. Klucsar replied it w.as approximately 102' ;t 1l�lt'. :Ie added that the garage iaould be almost out of sight because trees c:euld be ?:i.din� it, rd ±he^� r:ould be r.o drivetiaa;�. .'.^s. Gabel then aslced i£ Cc3e didn't require him to have a drivecaay to his garage� and Afr. Eoarciman said they irould have to take a look at the situation as he taas not sure if it would be re�uired or not. Chairperson Harris asked if these vehicles were licensed, and Mr. Klucsar answered that they were licensed once� and that was all that 1�+as required. He explained they could not be used for driving all the time like a regular car� but only For parades or shows. Tir. Bergman asked if the reauirement for a Snecial Use Permit wasn't relative to the size of the second accessor,y building, and P1r, Boardman answered over • 2l�0 feet. Pir. Harris pointed out that Pir, iilucsar was proposing almost double that. F""r-� Plannin�; Commission Meeting - July 11�� 1976 Page 6 Fir. Lanpenfeld said he 4rould like to ask if Mr. Klucsar worked on these Madel � "A"s and just kept them up as a hobby� and 1�1r. Klucsar said that fixin�; a flat tire or polishing them was about the extent of the vrork he did on them. He added that they did not require much work as the,y krere in good shape, t�tr. Langenfeld asked i£ there .ras a Iot of tra£fic {people or businesses) comin;; on the premises to look at the automob9les. 17r. Klucsar replieci there ro*ere not, and said he took the cars to shows like at Apache or Ilar i•lar� but people did not come on his premises to see them. Mr. Peterson said he o?ondered if Mr, Klucsar understood the stipulations Atr. Boardman had mentioned� and pointed out that one was that it'taouldn't be a home business. [•ir, Klucsar said he thought he understood ther� and would follow any rules he had to. He stated this was not a business� and explained he was retiring £rom his job and did not want to be the richest man in the cemetary but vranted to have a little £un before he got there. Chairnerson Harris asked i£ it would be agreeable that the stucture be compatibl_e erith the existing structure� and Mr. Klucsar replied that the outside woul.d be just as nice as his house. He explained that he had too much invested in his house to make it be worth less money or have the neighbors get mad at him. He added that around the corner from his house there was another dwelling that had another two-car garage in the back, and it looked very neat. Ae stated he felt this would look better than havi.ng his two cars covered with a taro, and he wanted to keep his neighborhood looking nice. Mr. Harris said he neant would the outside finish of the garage be compatible with the house and existing � structure� and A:r, Klucsar replied it would have the same siding as his house and would look as i£ it were origin�lly built at the same time. Mr. Langenfeld noted that Nir. Klucsar wished to have this double garage for the storage of two Model "A"s� and asked if it would always be used ior that. Mr. Klucsar explained that he did have other vintage cars so he might take one of the Mode2 "A"s out and put his 1938 Buick in� but as long as he lived that was all it would be used for. He further explained he owned other propert�* where his other automobiles krere stored. He stated that after he caas gone the new owners could probabl,y use an extra garage as one garage really wasn't enough for a house that has five bedrooms. Mr. Langenfeld said that what he was trying to get at was that maybe by definition it would be nothing but a storage building. Chairperson Harris said it was a second accessory building in excess of 21�0 sauare £eet, whether it was a garage or a storage building� so it did require a Special Use Permit. At0'1'ION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the Pl.anning Commission close the Public Hearing on the reouest 1'or a Special Use Permit� SP �f76-10� by Youva Klucsar. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at tl:17 P.M. h10TI0iv bv Langenfeld� seconded by tiergman, that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the request Y'or a Special Use Permit� SP �/7b-10, by Youva Klucsar� per r'ridley City Code, Section ?_05.�52, 2, A� to allow the construction o£ a second accessory building� a detached double gararge for storage of two Model "A" automobiles� on Lot 20� tilock !�� Aioore • Lake Hills Addition� the same being 133( Hillcrest Drive� N.E.� with the A Planning Commission Meeting - July 14� 197b Page '! followin� stipulations: 1) The garage cannot and wil.l not be used f'or home • occu�iation, :u�d 2) It muat meet all sc:tback cnde rF�uirements and cannot be set any clos�r to the front yard than the neit,hboring house to the L!est. Upon a voice vote� al.l voting aye� the moLion carried unanimously. � . 3. VACA'f70ta ?i'r.::UFS'1', SAV alley in ii]ock 1' � sp and �,l,y Street N,E. BY KA.°.�;� A`:f:SN.OT�IAPJ : To vacate the unir��roved k Yarx Addition, lying between Liberty Street I•1r. Boardman explained tnat a petition had been received requesting vacation oi' the 12' unimnroved dirt alley. I3e said that the people who signed the petition were noted witn an asterisk on the mailing list on page tlu, and noted that 14 out o2' 23 f�ilies nad signed it, xe said the alle}� was oeing used by mini-bikes and dirt �ikes, so it was requsted that it be closed. Nr. tt,oardman said tnat the City did have a dr�inage ar.d utilit:• e�serer.t. do::n there� so if the alley was vacated the easements would have to be retained. He explained that people both £or and against the vacation were present, and Chairperson Harris suggested hearing the pro side iirst. Mr. Charles Spra£ka o£ 230 Ely Street N.E. stated that he would like to explain the logic of why they were proposing the alley be vacated. He said the first question to ask was� is it necessary to keep the alley ouen? He stated that in trying to arrive at whether it should be ke�t open or not� the folloz�ring facts should be considered: l. The alley is not maintained in the winter and is not plowed. If it was necessary to have an alley, the City would maintain it. 2. In terms oi fire safety, there are fire hydrants on tne street on both sides, 3. It is not necessary for any of tne 23 residents to have such an alley to allow them to get into their garages or driveVrays� as in all instances the homes have access from the street. One home does have access from the alley, but also has access from the street. For these reasons, I�fr. Sprafka stated, he believed it was not absolutely necessary to have this alley open. He s2id i£ tnis premise was correct� then he believed it %as important to ask cahat the c,rill of t5e majority was o£ the 23 residences along the alley. He stated that to his best information at this time� there were 14 nar�es subrutted� which were the majority. He added that he believed tcao pecrle had asked to have their names removed £rom the list� which still left 12 nanes out of 23. Ptr. Sprafka pointed out that this caas not to say the remaining 11 were all ooposed, as two or three might be in question. PSr. Sprafka said he believed the democratic principle should be to follo�a the will of the majority. He continued that most of the arguments that would be heard at this meeting iaould be for or against the alley for different reasons as it would provide a convenience for some citizens and an inconvenience for others. He stated that it should be the decision of the Planning Commission p-!al �r �� Planning Commission Meeting - July lb� 1976 P�� 8 to decide what the ma,jori.t,y of the people want� and they were willing to abide b,y the will of the majority of the people. � Mrs. Uabel said she understood 'nis points� but noted that he hadn't stated any reasons for wanting the alle,y closed, I•Ir. Spraf'ka said tnat it prc>entcd a safet,y hazard £or the children of the neighborhood as there were bushes perna,r,s three feet high� and there was an unnecessary ri�k that a chilci could be hurt by a mini-bike or automobile driving through the alle,y. He aiso nointed out that it was a dirt road and there.fore ver,y dusty and dirty, and there were a lot of weeds growing there that the City of Fridle,y does not ma:intain or try to control. He added that there were a number oF motorbikes from otner parts of the City that ride througn the alley also. He said to sum it up� it cras unsightly and dirty� it iaas a sa£ety hazard, and the housekeeping b,y the �it;; of N'ridley has not been adequate. Mr.�Langenfeld asked what the extent of.use was of this alley right now other than mini-bikes, Mr. SpraFka said there was one family that used it to an,y great exCent right no.a. He added thai oernaps an automobile �rould go through the alley two or three times a day, maybe more; but the vast majority of use came from one £amily. Mr. Langenfeld said Mr. Spra£ka had mentioned dust, and asked him hoca he i-rould feel i£ the alley *.rould be paved and became a regular thoroughfare. Pir, Sprafka said he would be opposed to it because the risk factor �aould be increased. He said that in terms of maintenance he was not asking that it be paved, but that some o£ the holes be filled in azd the weeds cut. I•ir. ian6enfeld asked if this � vras vacated what most of P�r. Snrafka�s group planned to do with that additional footage, hlr. Sprafka said that Urould vary, and asked ii it ;aas necessar,v to have an access for utilit,y vehicles. rlr. 13oardm2n said that in vacated alleys fences could be put up to the center line of the alley� however, if a utilit,y compan,y comes in and tears do�m the fence it is not their responsibi.lity, h;r. Sprafka said that i£ ihe alley was turned back to the property owners his o�.m personal pref'erence *h*ould be to sod it or perhaps plant hedges or trees. i�Ir. Langenfeld asked if there were any nlans ior gardens and things o£ tnat nature� and Mr. SpraSka said he lcnew of no such interest. hir. LangenYeld said he would like to make it clear to the people in the audience that the Planning Commission is merel,y a recorunending body to the City Council. Chairperson Harris added that it Was the first step in the process, hir. Peterson asked if the mini-bikes that were reYerred io were used primaril,y by people in the nei�hborhood� and how f'reouent the use was; and also i1' there were people f'rom other areas using the alle,y for this purpose and i£ so� �ah,y crere they coming to this neignborhood to ride. P1r. Sprai'ka said that the people who rode through on motorbikes� to the best of his knowledge, we^e mostiv irom the nei�hborhood. He said he did not knorr £or a fact that people were comin� from other parts of the city� but that comment had been relayed to him. };e stated tnat the Srequency of use of t}ie alley by the mini-bikes varied, ��r.d `_t. ,ee^�ed to rim in stre::'•:s and be �porsdic. D1r:. Shea asked if they had :noti�nnobile� usin�; the all-ey in the winter� and i":r. • Sprafka replied they did and that was a problem also. He stated that two }�ears a�o �everal snowmobiles Niped out 20;� of his bushes. He added that the driving back and forth of mini-bikes or snoormobiles in itself wasn�t all that signi£icant, Plannin�; Commission t�feeting - July 111, 19'%6 Pa�;r 9 but it was a matter of' multipl.e probier�^, Mr. ;prafka str�ted that he thou�ht o1'ten the convenience for one famil,y i� the inconvenience tor :3nother f.amil;/, � and said h� fclt the wi7l of the r^.;iorit;; s:?s v�ry important. I4r. Langenfeld asked how mam� chi2dren i•rere involved in this block, and 1•tr. S�rafka replied that it was a ver,y Pertile n�i�;hbornnod, lie s�id the^e vrere a lot of chil.dren ro�ithin the 23 residences, and also many on adjacent streets. He added that at any given t;ime there Urould be nerhaps fifteen to terenty children pla,yin�; up and dovm the alley, ile said Lhat the nunber of cn�ldren from all the home^ would be substantiall,y greater than that. N:r,. Gabel asked if in terr�s o£ mini-bikes and �nowmobil.es they :�rere t.�lking about noise pollution� and if the noi;e °actor rras significant, h;r. Spraf'ka replied that was not a oig concern i.o nim; �ut his objection rras c�rnen a mixii- bi'.�e or sno�•mobile ran over the hed�e, plus the additionzl risk fac'tor, ne stated he £elt it was an unnecessary risk and a child could be hurt. P•Ir. Bergman s2id that since there c,ere so man�� neople in the audience and w9_th the suggestion that there is a close vote, he thought it �aotild be �aise at tnis time to clarify for eve?-yone seme oi tne affects o£ the o�tions involved, i?e suggested there were three eptions: 1. Leave the a11ey designation as is. 2. Continue the obvious intent oF the alley plan� which �aould be to improve the alley. 3. Vacate the alley designation, .Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Boardman if he could clarify some of the elements in these three; such as in ea.ch case� �rho is responsible for the condition and the maintenance; in the case o£ vacation, to whom does the property go a_nd does this aiiect taxes; in case of improvement, is there an assessment, etc. Mr. Boardman stated that if the alley was vacated for the entire length� hali of the property o£ the a7ley c,ould revert to each of the rroperty owners 21on� the alley and maintenance of the 211ey :rould also revert to the propert,y oi�mers. He said that they might have some slipni increase in taxes due to the increase in proaerty acquired. I�fr. Boardman said that if tne alley was kept the way i.t is, the City of Fridley hould not naintain it because the Cit,y does not maintair.� per se� alleys that are unimproved. He said the �7eeds t.ould be cut occasionallv� perhans once a summer. PIr. 5oardr,�an stated tnat iF the alley remained and i,as petitioned to make that a permanent alley .rith blacktooping� then the city would do the snowplowing on that alley. He said in this case there ,aould be an assess- ment. Mr. Boardman said another option would be to make it a dead-end alley, in which case the City could not maintain it because a snocaplocr could not turn around in there. He said the maintenance would revert to the property owners who would benefit £rom that alley. He said that another possible Nray around this if there was a lot of objectionable tra£fic would be to put a gate on each end of the alley and provide all of the property owners with a key to the gate. Mr. Azad Mesrobian, 29� Ely Street� stated that a 12' wiclth had been re£erred to, and he did not Uelieve the alley to be that wide. He said a truck could not get through there. Afr. Boardman said the City does have a 12' right-oi'-way in � there� but there might be some f'ences encroaching on the right-of-way. �� Planning Commission Meeti.ng - July 1�� 1976 Pa�e lU Mr. Willivn Sicora, 201 Liberty Street iv.l?.� ,tated thaL he was at the �ne,t end of the all.ey ana that area was a turn-around place for the ^nowmobiles and mini- � bikes coming down tihe a11e,y. F3e said he nersonally had a tree destroy�d on his property by one of these bikes turninp, around. EIe added that gra.=.s doesn�t •ro�,� very well there and it is more or les; being used for a rar.e tracK. ?�1r. �i_cora stated that he felt an alley, so desi.�;nated, shonld 'oe used i'or access to garages, but all tne entrances to �•arages werA from the front. He expiained that occasionall,y someone might want to park a venicle or a boat in Lr.eis oack ,yard, but that would be a rare occasion. He :;Lated tnere was no lo�ica.�. rr-.:ason for a permanent alley there because of the se't up oi' the gara�,es f'acin� the street. Chairperson riarris told t?�e audience tnat an,yone u�ho wished to would be welcome to look at a plat of the area to Y'amiliarize tnemselves with tne area, hfrs. Shea asked ii the alle,y across Lne street was vacated� and Atr. Harris repl-�ed that according to the plat map there were no alleys in that area tnat were vacated, 2•Ir. Soardman said there were some now; tne one by rlacr;ine, Inc, and one in tslock 3. h1r. Sicora stated that ii' Lne a12ey were vacated he would maintair. the extra i'ootage and sod it, and he was sure tne neighbors would do the sarie. 7e added that the dust made everything dirty� and he didn't think the alle,y- wr.=s nece-.=,;,ry, Rev. Rodney Sandmor.� 238 El,y Street� said 'ne had just purcnased the ennty int that is there, and his feelings were kind o£ in tetween. He asked �F there was any kind of ordinance saying that if there was one garage deor facing an alley, that 'a'::ey must remain open. Pir. Boardman said that to the best of his kno,*leCge there wasn't, but they wculd take that into consideration. Rev. Sandmon stated • that he happened to have a�arage door facing ihe alley, N1r. i.angenield asked if it would be permissaole�.to partially vacate the alley� and Gnairperson �arri.s said it would depend on where the lot was. He determined Rev. Sandmon's property was lots 33 & 34� totaards the center of the block. Chairperson Harris asked kev, Sandmon if he was neither for o^ against the vacation, and he replied tnat looking at both sides of it he could see the^e was a problem. He stated that most people in the nei.gnborhood nad small children, and they could get hit by a mini-bike or snowmobile. However, he continued� they could also get run over in the streei, and that is :,here mest of them were. Rev. Sandmon stated tnat he nad a detached garage and ceuld �et black dirt through the alley or through his front yard� but the people r.ext door could not. He said they had a beautif'ul yard with a lot of shrubs, and if the alley was vacated they could not get black dirt through their yard, but would have to carry it by shovel from the front to tne back. Mr. Clarence Godlewski, 228 Ely Street N,E.� stated that the mini-bikes did come from across East kiver Road and went bet,ueen 30 and 50 mpn down the a12ey, and that should be against the law. He said if one child went out there, ever,yone was going to be sorry, Mr, Godlewski stated that they had been taking care of the alley for the City, cutting the grass and keeping tne weeds from co:ning in the yards. He continued that in the winter the snowrnobiles weren't too bad; but if ever,yone could get in through the front, why have an alley in the first place. Mr. Duane Motzko, 290 El,y Street N.E., said that his main concern was each ,year � the property taxes went up and the value of their property went up, but this alley was a very unsightly thing. He stated he felt it wasn't necessary, and I� Planning Co�nission Meeting - July lli� 1976 , Page 11 if he had �o ha_��1 dirt in he would brin� it through his front yard, IIe added that his ��ard kas fenced in and if the allev was vacated he Hnuld not move the . ience or,cx, but he •hould plant some trees and sod it i.n. He said he didn't :eel *.ney coiild jus;, say they were going to vacatie the alley and lei it �o at that. He stated he looked out his windo;a and saw thesc mini-bikes coming tnrou�n ano �ic�ing up dust, and 'ne also wondered if a}�oungster g�t hurt on that rrope.^t}� xho uas liable. :;r. Peter�on s�.,�ested that if the^e .rere neople in the audience who wished to speak 2�ainst tne vac2tion, that tney be heard also. Chairperson Harris explained that they c�rould hear the pros and cons one at a time so there orouldn't be a verbal bra��;l. 1•s. Peterson said he would like to respectfully submit it was the Cneir's prerogative to keep the croud in order, but in fairness to the Commission>*s t:e�- saould hear the argur:ents against the vacating so they had something to co�pare to. He stated he objected to hearing all oi' one side at one time, Rr. :arris said he could guarantee they would hear both sides� but as'lon� as it r:2s the Chairman's prerogative, they would take the pros £irst. P.ev, Sandr.oa szid he wanted to state his feelings were ir. between, but if having t�e door in ha_ck of the garage .rould stop tne vacating o° the a].ley, and i° he .:ould 'be tne main cause of ii, he could overlook that door. Ae expla`_ned he had an eighteen £oot door in £ront and a nine foot door in back, so it really didn�t �ake any dif£erence to him. Chairperson H2r^is �2id tney would now hear those p"eople who wished to speak againsi the vac2tion. • P'.r. Marvin 7ietzla� ?_39 Liberty Street, N.E.� stated he had about twent� signatures of reoole 1.*ho dict not want the zlle,y vacated, but some o£ them had c:^.anged the'_^ miads and signed the other petition. He said the first concern wouid be the people in the middle of the block who did not have access to t�eir back yards through the front, and felt they needed the alley. He said that assumin� they do have an access, they didn't �rar_t b_g trucks on tneir drive:•;ays de:ivering dirt� etc. He. a.dded that he felt it v:ould reduce the va'_ue of the preperties. ,'•;r. Hietala stated that as far as the safety £actor Nras concerned, he didn't think the street was any safer than the alley. He said sor..e ga^ba�e trucks quit using the alley and they had garbage piled in tae front st.reet. fl� felt if the allev z•:as open to utility ve�icles it should also be open to the residents. He stated if it was chained it would become a dumping area� ar.d �2rbage trucks would not pick up; if gates were nut in� people would hace to stop in the middle of the street with their boats and ca-npers, and th:i xould be dangerous. D:r. Hietala stated that they £elt if there �•ras one person who needed the alley� tnat person should net be discriminate3 a�ainst. H�: exr=ained that people needed the alley for storage of boats or c2npers� and tne •.:'aole 2rea c�:2s de�igne� rr:tn en allcy 9n mi.r.r; bcra•,:�e of ?.ce sr^11 lot;. Le told the Comm�ssion that the,y just had a olay�round petitioned in, se the alle}• snould not be a pla,yground. EIe said that some people had been asked to si�n t.he pe�ition for vacation even ii' they didn't care or not, and he felt if ceop�e didn�t care the,y shouldn't be asked to sign it anyway, He stated there vrere otaer reasons� but this tiras part of them. ,Cnairperson ilarr;s a�ked if he had a list of the opposers� and P1r. Hietala reolied he riid. He �aid the list had been formed in the last day or two, 1'^" .,. Plannin�; Cormnission Meeti.ng - July 111� 1976 � •': Page 12 Chairperson }iarri.s brought to Mr. Hietala's attention the li;t of people �,ho had si�ned tFie ori(=,inal. petition for v�cation. 1dr. Viietala said th��t the � Sart,ylla, h:�d moved out, but A;r. 9oardm,n r�r.plained they� �nere sti11 the fee owners. Mr. Hietala said that +.here vrere three names on that ].ist who had chanp,ed their minds. ;•Tr. lIietala said that certain peop]_e on the block h�d been usi.ng the alley f'or thirty years� and that should be good enough. }ie added that he� himsell'� used it seve^al times a year. He stated that he had talked to Councilman Fitzpatrick, and he nad said that if one person opnoses ihi.s, it shouldn't go through. He added that Councilman Fitzpatri_ek had said he knew of no case where an al].ey had been vaca.ted i£ there is onposi.tion. i4r. iiietala said he hadn't seen that many snoi•r.nobiles or mini-bikes, and on most days ,you could pitch a tent in the alley and not see anyone for a f'ew hours. blrs. Shea asked what the width of tne lots were� and P•Ir. Harris replied the,y were 30' lots, and most peonle owned trro. He added that there was one lot, i,�hich anneared to be lot 20, that Nras alone. Mr. Langenfeld said that in looking over the newly submitted list� he £ound three names that were also on the original petition for vacation--Hentges� Zukowski and Poehler. He asked if the people who purchased these lots i�Jere a�rare of the unimproved alley at the time ef purchase� and Mr. Hietal.a stated that vras one of the reasons he bought the house--so he could get in the back yard £rom the alley. Judy Zukowski, 2ly9 Liberty Street N.E., stated that she had signed bcth petitions. � She explained that the first time she didn't reall,y care if the alle,y was open or closed as it Saasn't a problem for her. She stated they had lived in the neighborhood seven� going on eight years, and when they moved in her children were ages 3, 2 and 1. She said that now they 4rere 10� 9�d 7, so sne had gone through the small toddler stage. She told the Commission she didn't reall.y care that much� personally, whether the alley was open or closed� buL sincs that time she had talked to many of her neighbors who would choose to be able to put things in their back yards or build patios at some time in the future and be able to use it for other purposes, She stated that she £ound the traff'ic was hardl,y atything at all compared to when she first moved in. Another thing, she said, was that a park had been petitioned in and i£ these children are so small that they can't olay safely in tne alley, then they have no business being there. Mrs. Zuko�aski stated that their lot was one of the.m�ider ones (90')� but because of the way their garage was located they had only seven or eight feet beside the garage and house, and it would be much easier to open up the back to haul. in cement� etc. She stated that some of the people in f'avor of leaving the alley the way it is have lived there almost thirt,y ,years, while most of the ones that were complaining are the ones that have moved in recently. She addcd that these people knew the alley was there and no one forced it on them. 14r. Br,yan xohl, 220 Ely Street N.E.� said he bought his house last fall and his garage was built so close to the house he coulcln�t park both of his cars there. He stated he planned on movin� his gara�e back about eight Feet, and the only way to get concrete in would be to use the alle,y, He saia he had two trailers which he kept behind his garage� and iP the alley was closed he would have to • Planning Commission Meeting - July 111, 1976 Pr�e 13 pull tur,m through his 1'ront yard. ?'.r. Y,ohl �aia that some people had made state- ments that it was a safety hazard, but these s:une prople are the ones whose �kids played in tne strect and�almo:;L get hit. 11e added that hic b'-� year oId sr�n rides his bike in the allc,y sometirr<<�s� hut mootly in thc :,treet. Mr. };ohl su�gested runnin� somethin�; across tne center oi' the al]e,y Lo sLOn throu�h traff'ic but still allo�i pcople who nad �eccess tnrou�h the oack to use it. Ii� stated that >orne pcople had already put rocks in th� alley, and he nad to drive on thc �rass to avoid �earin�; un tne unaerside of his car. tAr. L<3ngenl'eld said tnat Lhi,^ seemed to be n,uite a 13r�e block, and a:,xe�l if' the alley was closed if it would t�inaer fire fighting. I•;r. Ronl sai.d he :?idn't S'eel it rrould, and added that Air, Erustaci had a fire not long ago and the ±'.ire trucks came dovm the street. Mrs. 1�oreen Poehler, 2?_9 Libert�• Street ;v.E., said tnat a£ter signing tne petition f'or vacation had changed rier mind and would like to get her name o£f o£ that list a*�a put on tne second. Jhe saici the reason sne cnanged her mind was because when they first talked BtJ011t ?`„� t]?E? IA8'.li i.�l.*l� `r!?5 �"f' `�6'CtOP '7Y the children qeitin? hurt, �r.d nobody �rrnts to see someboci;y's child get, hurt. However, she didn't thin!, about tne noGs;b=lity that tne�r mignt need the a�'.e;.�. Afte*s�ards� sne said� she got to t!-�inking t:�at they had recen�l5� nad �or.ie olac:: dirt hauled. in to ineir �arden, ana the onl,y �aav in is tnrougn the allev. She said that :�ras just one t•�ay tney i•:ould use it, birs. Poehler said that as iar as the children getting hu:t, r.o one �:ants to see that, but tney did have a playground one bloc'r aiaay and tnere rrere tne yards to pia,y in. Sne stated there were a fe� mini-bikes, ana ner son nad one, buC he oniy rode it occasionall,�. She continued tnat the tra££ic .ias nuch l�ss than it used to be a fe;�,y-ea:s •ago; and she �,ranted to bring out the point that if it was oaved she tnouF;ht it would bring in more tr.a£fic as i_t caouid be a nicer place to drive througt;, a,nd none of tneM ,:anted tnat. She said she just ,;anted to mention that t:^.e al�ey was used� not a lot b,y an;�one� but it �.oulri be nice to have 9t open for �.�hen tney did i,�ant '.o use it. birs. 7_ukotrski said sne tiaould also like to £ormall,y remove her irurne f^o�� ti�e ori�inal petition. I4r, DonaklNofT� <15 Liberty Street i:.E., stated that :�e had a small, trailer that he used occasion2aly� so ne :aeuld like to see t`�e alle,y lei't open, He 'added that his garoa�e man also used it� and if it �,aere close� t't;e cans rzoul.d have to be nauled to the street, iie further added ihat as far as sai'ety �,�as concerned, he didn't feel there ;aere that many children using it. ChairPerson Harris asked if he found mini-bikes or sn�iy7nobiles a problem, and .�ir. iio£f replied he did not. T;r. Peterson asked iS he ;;ept his garbaoe cans in the garage� and Mr. HofP replied he kept them in the back oi his lot. Pir. I�rancis Poehler, 229 Liberty Street N.E.� stated that his son had a mini-bike and iahen spring came he used it a few times but has now lost interest in it. He said that he had never seen anyoody doing excessive speeds in the alley, and thought there was more of a proolem in the streets. P;r. Poehler said that a couple of people had stated tne�� would like to put sod snd trees in that area, and the two people ti.1�o said that live on eacn end of the allev. He added that he didn�t use the alle,y that much� but i��ould like it open so • .�.�+e - Planning Commission Meeting - Jul,y 1�, 1976 he could use it i£ he wanted to. Page 1� 29r. :Ioti�rard `rlalter^� 267_ Ely Street N.r:.� ,statr.d h� had 7ived there for alm�st . thirty ,years. He said he had two bo,ys orho had cars and he had told them not to come do+.-m the alley like it vras a race track. He said he felt the peoP,-e Vrere objecting because he used it. He stated 'ne felt that if the utili_t,y companies could use the alley and other peonle could use it� he wanted to us!� it� too. H�= added that his son had a mini=bike ana uses the al7.ey, hIr. :?elters said h^ wou'_d like to see the alle,y sta;l the same so mayoe the taxes ��rould >ta,y the same. Mrs, Shea asked if this request had come un before, and I4r. 4dalters said it came up several years ago b,y a few neiphbors iaho wanted to put up a fence at that time. He said he was asked about it and really objected, and he thou�ht the matter was dropped and nothing further was done about it. Chairperson Harris asked one person from eacn side to surunarize the feelings o£ his or her �roup. Mr. Charles Sprafka stated that their intentions were good, and their main concern was for their children. He said he had a small child that he trieC to watch closely, but sometimes the child would iaander into the alley. He =tated they felt it was in the best interest of the children to avoid a poGSible accident and vacate the alley. Mrs. Marvin Hietala� 234 Liberty N.�.� said she £elt they had a legal right to this access. She stated that if even one person had this right, she dian't � think it should be take� away. Air, Bergman asked iF anyone had an existing garage that faced the alley, and the answer was no. He tnen asked if anyone iuould want the alle,y iinished, along with the assessment £or same� and one gentlemen said tnat i£ the alley couldn�t be vacated he vrould just as soon see it i:nproved, Cnairperson Harris exp2.ai_ned this was just a nypothetical question at tiiis time, and i.n order £or tiiat to happen there would have to be a nearing before the Cit�; Council and it �,*ould be their decision whether to imorove or not improve the alle;�. rie further explainer. the Planning Commission could possibly recommend that iype of action in their motion� but that would be a separate action. i1r. Bergman stated he had looked at the so-called second petition against tne vacation of the alley� and his impression was that those t•rere apparently valid� individual signatures. He asked ?Ir. Boardman ii' he had i<�iliarity taith tt:e original petition favoring the vacation of the alley and ii' those were valid signatures also. tir. 13oardman said that the si�natures could be £ound on page 83. He noted that t,�*o of those people had formally requested tneir names dropned off� and a third (Alarge Hentges) had signed both petiti.ons and i•ras not in the audience. Chairperson Harris said her name should then be dropped Yrom both petitions, MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Peterson, t,hat the Planning Co;n^�i=sion receive the petition in f'avor of the vacation of the alle,y. Upon a voice vote, all. voting aye� t.he motion carried ur.::,nimrn�°<l�'. • �.'"' , Plannine Commission i9eeting - July llt� 1.97b Page 15 NOTIOra by Bergn�v�, seconded by Peterson, that the P]annin�; Corrunission receive the petition a�ainst thc vacation of the alle,y. •. hir, ianp,enfeld a:-red what the exac� numocr o£ names were on the :econd petition. Mr. Boardman said that movin�; Mrs. Poehler's na-�e to this one� there Yiould br� 21 si.gnatur^s� or 20 without i•la^�e :innt�;es, ?e explained that on the ,^ire� petition (in favor of vacation)� excludin� the names of .�oreen Poenler and Judy Zukot„I:i (who askecl thnir n�.r�e� bc dropped) ar�d N.arge Hentges (who i�ad signed both but w2s not in the audience) there s:ere also 20 names. !!t 1;his point sereral peoole in the audience asl;ed to have tneir n arnes removeri from one list and added to another. ],r. 3ergman said he wouid like to clarify his motion, ile stated that the of'ficial, documented rer.uests rrere part o;' h:s motion, with no other changes. Chai^person ??arri� said those peonle *.ahc ;�=i^ned to add their names to these petitions should write a note and gi•re it to the secretaries in the office tomorrow� and it ;aould be submitted to the Council erith tne petition. UP01v A VOICE VOTE, all voting a�;e, the motion carried unsnimou�ly�. i40TI0N by Langenfeld, seconded by 13ergm.an, that the Planning Commission rece.^unend to the City Council denial of the request £or vacation� SAV ?�76-04, b;r Karen hfesrobian� to vacate the unimproved alley in t3lock 11, 6nring Brook Park Addition� lying bett�reen Liberty Street 2nd El;� Sireet P1.�. Air. Langenfeld said that before he r;�nt anv further he laished to point out •that this is a diF£icu].t thing to do rrit« the situation ihe,y had 'nere. ;r'e said that without question� sa£etv was imoortant to bear in mind, and the matter of majority rules ;aas also very importar,t. He said he 4rished ia deny this vacation £or the fo].Iowing reasons: 1. There appears to be uncertainty as to where the neighbors really wieh to go� as there is approximately a tie situation. 2. The purchaser� or renter, was aware of the unimproved ailey and the problems that could exist. 3. Safety is a problem no matter which �.ra,y the vote iaould go, In otner words, those that were in the alley wou2d go in the street, etc. �. As to the rulin� as far as one person wishing to keep this alley open, Mr, Langenfeld said he would like to see that verified. 5. Mr. Langenfeld said he would liY,e to see the Comnission recommend as a separate action the possibi].ity of improving the alley so there would be no ouestion as to its usage. Mr. Bergman said he would like to comment that he seconded the motion with the knowledge th2t there was sizable opposition to the request to vacate the alley, hfrs. Gabel said that with reference to improving the alley� she didn't think • it had been determined that the people want the alley to be improved. �,.��.� Planning Commission Meeting - July 1�, 1976 Page lb Chairpc�rson aarris ;Lated that it appeared that status quo with the a7_ley from the testimnny th�y had received wa.^, not a desirable f'actnr, and tihat, somethin;� � had to happen with either imnrnv�ment or traffic contro7. HP sa,id that it seemed to him that t}ie Police Department was reluct3nt to patrol an unimproved ri�ht-of-wa,y, 1dr. Harris said that the area was almost buil.t to its maximum� so the situation that has er.isted since 19LfS, in hi� oninion, could not continue an;/ longnr. He said that eiiher thev were �-oin�; to have an a71e,y or tney werc' not� but if they were going to have an alley it should 'oe improved. Mr. LangenY'eld said that he would like to indicate tha.t, t��ose who mny object to the outcome of this particular notion had the ri�;ht to apneal to the Cit;r Council. Chairperson Harris agreed and told the audience that tneir actions were not final� and the City Council would have Yinal action on this. Mrs. Uabel stated that there nad been a statement made earlier that iF there was one person against it, an alley wouldn't be vaca�ed, and she knew that wasn't true i'rom personal experience. She said she wanted to state that so some of the people wouldnit become discouraged. UPOtu A ROLL CALL vOTE, Eergman� Langeni'e13 and iiarris voted aye; Peter,on� Gabel and Shea voted nay. The vote being 3-3, it was a tie vote, t•`:OTION bv Peterson� seconded b,y Shea� that tne Planning Commission send this on to the City Council with no recommendation. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Cnairperson liarris said that this would go on to the Ci_t„r Council tor their . deliberation� and the Public Hearing would be set for August 9, 19(0, Chair�erson Harris declared a recess at 10:10 and reconvened the meeting ai 10:35 p.A1. 3A. r'RIDI,EY �i�iVSHUN^iF,1eTAL QUA1.1'PY COt•��iISSICtJ SCOPE P1r, tsoardman saia that the reason ne brought tihis up was that in reading throug'r. the minutes of the Environmental �ualii�5r Corunission it see��ed to rirn t.hat t�e,% �•^re £loundering fo^ :ahat their respon�ibilities are and �ahat they should be looking at. He stated that the whole point o£ the reorganization was to take the load off the Commissions as £ar as the day to day activity work� and get more into developing standards� goals� or guidelines wnich would direct the City Staff to carry the main load of those procedures. He eaid it seemed- to him that the Environmental Commission rras trying to take en some oS that load by itself �aith their suggestion of reviewing permits and revieuring home occupations. Pir. Boardman said i£ tne 1:nvironmental Comnission wanted to get into this type of thing, it should be making recommendations on procedures to follow so that the City Staff would follow that order and be doing the actual in^.pections and permit processing. Chairperson Harris sai.d that as he read the minutes he got the gist that �,•rhen thev were ta:lking about home occupati.ons the,y caere lookin� at the ordinance and not the day to day activity work. Mr. Langenfeld said they had looked at the � !r""� .,, Planning Commission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 17 ordinance and then the di�cussion snourballed a little� and then they talked •r:bout certain peo�l� violatin� home occu1,ation but if' it didn't bottier :u:ybody elscy leave it ulnnc, etr.. Mr, tioardman said that on pa;;e t� of thc ?:nvi.ronmantal Commission minutr.s i.t stated "..the Envirnnment:31 Comrnission or some other corunis�ion shou7d revieroi these anplicat�ons indi.vi.duall,y to def,ermine rm 3t is minin�- in the CitY of Frid].ey". He ;aid that on page 5�1� said "He zlso Yelt these occuaations should be handled individuall,y and a permit process should p� tnrou�h so^�c� commission or public he2rin�; oi so,:�e kind oiher tiian having tne Z.oning Adr�in- istrator have sole responsibility". Mr. Boardman said the,y were tr,�ing to get rid o£ the load on tne Commissions as to the permit orocess, anct this rras the whole purpose of the reorgan�zation� along with puttin� the Commissions more into developing policies so that the City Staf£ could £ollocr. He stated that he had noticed this in o�her Cornn;issions also� �•rhere it seemed th^� wanted to gei into i;he actual permit process. I:r. Harris pointed out tYiat it was a Staff person urho had made ihe statement on page 5 that �ir. 3oardman had referred io. Mr. Peterson pointed out that on page 6, Brother Sullivan had stated that the Commission should make known to tne PSanning Commission that the nnvironmental Commission intends to make recommendatioas or revisicns on Chapter 212-l�iining S2nd and Uravel, rIr. Peterson said that was basica113� what tney r:ere �sked to do. .b7r. Boardman said that in not only looking at these minutes� but minutes from before, also, there c•ras in some cases some ieeling that the,y �-�ere not sure o£ the direction t:�ey were supposed to go with this thing, h,r. :3oard:n� again stated that the orhole puraose of tne reorganization was to take tne da_v +o day activity load of£ 02' the Commissions and get then into policy develooment to give Staff direction. Mr. Langenfeld said there laas one thing i;r. Boardman may not nave caught on the mining discussion� and said they just merely ��ranted to nav� the permits shokn to the Cor,unission while there ;�:as ihis state of limbo, and tnat they ought to get an ordinance. rlr, Boarcln2n said then the problem c;ould be �.�nat they were going to do with them. 1�Ir. Langenfeld asked if he would have been better o££ merely saying something to the effect that this ordinance isn't very good and recommend a comolete re-:•tording. r1r. Soardman said that the r.`hvironmental Comnission had been somewhat misdirected by Staff as far as what the UBC 70 Z•ras, ije stated that it vras strictl,y a building code and grading that goes along with buiiding. He said that mining and excavating rras completel,y different--the purpose there was to pull materials out of the ground ior selling. Chairperson Harris said tliat while they �aere discussing 212 and Chapter 70, he £elt there was more to mining than just sand and gravel� and that was i-.here they had the hole in the ordinance. 1�Ir. Boardman sug�;ested cal_ling it a Land Alteration Permit, and said there should be some t,ype of a permit process •so they couldn't cut down trees and other things related to land alteration without some type of a review or permit nrocess. Planning Commissi.on Meeting - Jiily 11�� 1976 Pa�;e 1F3 Mr. Langenfeld asked if they should then sta,y away 1'rom the wordin�* of the ordinance but merely recommenci that certain points be included, hir. Yioardman • �aid tncy just ti:��nted :;ome direci.ion. 13c; : aid that i� i:nvirorunc:xit,al :ti:uited some controls over the alteration of' growth or dirt on nroperty, give Sta.fF direction on that and they �,�ould i•tritc up a code, iie adr_ied {,�iey :hould incliz�n fi.11 and any t;�pe oi' land alteration. P4r. Pe.terson asked i£ wnen he was ta2kin� about iand �lt�ration tlr, tinardms3n sras talkinQ ;about some homc o+mer m�ho deci3e� to cut do;:^� a co�inl� of tre�,s and put in some sod. P�Ir, Boardman ,a.id hr, was tal'r.ing r.ainl,y ahout e�ri,h moving other than excavr.tion i'or a home or structure� possibl;� even gra;9in� fcr a oarkin� lot that i� not co.^.n:rted to a. huild:nf�. Chairp�rson ?:a:ris said he i,Jas concerned about the 120 acre:, of black dirt or peat up North of %9th Streetr betUreen Universit;f and the rai.lroad tracks, that is being indiscri.minately dug out and le£t. ?'•irs, Uabel asked if there would be provisions for restoraticn of the l�.nd, and i�Ir. Boardman said that ;aas the *.rhole idea. Ae said tne,y vrere looking _°or something stronger than a$50 bond. He stated that these people i,ere operatin, taithout a permit� and there �*ere four separate operation� going on up there. He said he nersonally £elt they should be shut doc-✓n antil the,y could go thrnugh the permit process on the thing. �Ie added that T,r. Olson hkd inspected and alloiaed them to continue operati.on until such time as a rneeting is set un vrith all dirt-dig�ing operations in order to start this permit process. I•fr. �iarri.r, said he felt they shou2d be shut do:,m until they got some sort o: an agreement that they t•rould grade o£f what is left there. • Mr, Langenfeld said that on page 6 0£ the Environmental ^uality Commission's minutes they would notice Lhe comnent ma3e bv Brother Si.11ivan, and pointed out the statement made by Lee Ann Sporre which indicated they vrere starting to go in the right direction. He then asked hir. Hoardman if they +•rere supposed to go into the actual wording of the ordinance or not, iie said he Sel.t ihat one ordinance .�ras really bad, and they could sit �zp all night going over that, so there was a problem, rir. Boardman said that he tnouo:^.t it looked like it .ras time for the Cit,y Sta£f to sit do*.an and do up soraething the;r £e1t �•.*ould be necessar,Y on it, and then brin� it back to the Ehvironmental Corr�ission. He said he thought at this time they should see if they should shut do:•m those operations to make sure that more rape of the land does not occur. Mr, Langenfeld said that as the Chairman o£ the Fridley I'siviroxunental (Zualit,y Commission he would like to st2te that the City of P'ridley should definitely try to use whatever means to put a halt to the destruction of current soil conditions and make sure it is restored to original order. Chairperson Harris sugge.sted issuing a permit to these operations for a specific amount of time (30 - 60 - 90 days)� vrith the stipulation on the permit that at the time the new ordinance comes in{;o effect the old permit is then expired and the,y must reappl,y under the new ordinance. He su�ge�ted htr. Boardman talk to Mr. Herrick on this to make sure that they were on solid ground� and Gaid he just knew Prom past experience that they were going to wind up in court with • at least one of thoseoperations. Plamning Commission Meeting — July 11a� 1976 Page 19 tdr, LangenPel.d asked ii they could drop this Lopic and wait for an ordinance to be drawn up� v'�a then review it. Itr, tioardman said he thought 3-1r. Olson • had delayed a ineeting with the dirt diYgers to Ur:ing this to tne u�vironmental Corruni�sion to f'ind out c,�at directicn ;:;ould be tiaken on it. He said 'ne ��ould talk to some people tomorrow to see i£ thcy couldn't shut dorm the operation im^�ediatel,y and ;tart workin�; on <.n ordinance to bring oeiore thc r:nvisonmer.ta'.. Gommission as soon as possible. hlr. Boardman said that as far as his concern a.s to the exient a Conanis�ion gets into the day to da,y activities� �n al.l cases he ��ouid like to sec i;nat removed from the responsibilities o£ tre Corimi,sions as•:1 ca^ried on b,; the City Staf£. He stated that the Coramissions had other ihings to do besides look at individual permit procedures. RECF,IVE I?UMAN RESOURCES COP;MISSZOV 2•iIiNT�'S: JULY 1, 197b D`rs. Shea stated sne hadn't been at this nFet�ng, but could Eive a little background on the one motion. She explained Er,at in June Staff had asked the Numan Resources Commission if the,y �ere bud�eted ti•;ith some mone,y, �ahat their priorities would be. She stated this would be an alternative to tne way it was handled lasL ,year when individual groups requested £unding; tne Fine Arts Conunittee, £or examole. St:e said that they sat do:m and tried to work out a budget witn the $10,000 figure that was given to +hem. Air. Peterson asked if Mrs. Shea was ataare oi' the fact t^�t t:�e Parks and • xecreation Comrission put the Senior Citizens in their budget� an3 said that would be a duplicaiion. i�lrs. Sh�a ans�ered that she was arrare of ihat, bu;, didn't think the other memoers oS' tne Com^�ission were. She said she tho;ight one of the reasons it was includea ;,as because last year �ney had prin+ed the Senior Citizens Bulletin, ana tnat had come to aoout �15u. Sne said perhaps the (:ommission thougnt ii' tne Senior Citizens care to them again and askea 2or this type of service� tne�� rrould be able to provide it. ilr. Peierson stated 'ne tnought ii was mostly a duplication oi whai ?arks and tiecreation put into their budget� and rirs. Shea said tnat was ouite possib:ie. hlr. tioardman said that tnere might be some duplication under Y^utn Center, also. He stated that although Parxs and decreation did not oudget Yor a Teen Activity Center� the CitV Council ai their last meeting did put it under the auspices oi' Parks and Hecreation, and there �aiil be 2'unding S'or a SLatY person to oe at that center. Mr. Langenl'eld asxed iS' tnis was an aiuival budget,and I;rs. Siiea repiiea it was. Mr. Langenfeld said 'ne was not t^pin;; L.^ be argumentative, tut it seemed like the reserve for contingency was a bit excessive. Ptrs. S:nea said she had a:'eeling they didn't know rJhat to do with it. Sne stated that social services wasn't ver,y well explained� but the City did get a reouest from Coon Hapids r'amily Services asking for consideraoly more than this. Mr. Sergman said he got the feeling that if the questior, were asked� "13ow r�uch •do you need, and what for?", he had the impression the answer would come out difFerently. hirs. Shea replied she really didn't know. She explained t;ie Human Resources Commission was walking in the dark� and tnere was nothing for them to get a handle on in their Commission. �„� -..� Yl:inning Commission hleeting — July 111� 197b Pa�;e 20 Nlr. 1'eter;son said he had f'ought the bur?�et battic f'or a number oS years� and asred if the City M�naE;er all of' a suc�den had decided to spread mone,y a11 ovr:r the cit,y to be spent, He said thao �9rs. Snca's stal,emenL ol' a Staff' recornrnF;ndnLion� puz�led hin a bii. P�irs. Shea c;aid shc t!�ou�;t�t t,he idea� u:as that, last year th�y had s3t up {:nere and listened to thc�se ]ittle reque�ts� and thi� was so the,y l�rouldn�t have to �;o througn that. 1"r. }ioardman sr�id thati he thought th�re t�iad been close to "j10,00f1 requested S'rom dii'f'erFnt organi%.a'„ions, e;o the Iluman iiesources Commission had been asked if' they had $l��JO�� .�hat the�ir pr9.orities would be f'or spendin�. He stated that was liis intFrpretation� nnd added that the,-� .;erF; e�aying the,v had snent this araount o:" mone,y last year and vrere wondering ii there was something t:7e,y had missed. Chairperson Harris st2ted tnat he rJasn't so sure that the way it w�s h2nd]ed last yeer migh? not be the best �,�ay. 1�?rs. Gabel asked 1'rs. Shea if the,y Here given $10,000 as a bud�et, would triey have total control over it or would it go through the process of the Cit;r Council still having the final say over wh•at was done with it. Mrs. Shea answered t�at this would go into tne actual budget, and mayb� the,y :uould only allovr �2,000� so the,y mi.ght take the top t=.ao priori_ti.es. ?ir. Peterson said that a_ccordir.� +o Citti� procedure, if Council granted them a budget o£ $10�000, the,y could {.nen spend it f'or an,ything the•. wanted. He stated tne Hiunan Hesources Ccmmission wouldn't even nave to follow their budget. Mrs. Shea interjected that this wasn't their bud�et, but the city's budget, i�fr. PeLerson said that once the City adopts the budgei, for whatever dollars it is� then that amount of money could be spent by that particular Comriission and not nece�sarily even for the items they budeeted for. Mrs. Shea stated that this was not a Human Resources budget, but Vras out of the general Sund and would not be listed as Human Hesources. ASrs. Uabel asked h1r. Peterson when his Commission was given R number of dollars, � did they control di sbLrsements, rlrs. Peterson ansi•�ered yes and no, He said if the Parks and Recreation Commission had been budgeted W500,000� the control and the w�y that money is spent is about 96;b City 1•(3na�er and Director and !i% Commission. He added that they cou].d move the monies within that bud�et any iaa,y tney wanted to and they didn't go back to Council or anyone else a.� long as it was approved in that amot:nt. Mr. Boardman saia that was correct. P10TION by t�erg�3n, seconded by Shea, tnat the Ylanning Commi.ssion receive the minutes of the Human Resources Conunission meeting of July l, 1976. Unon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr, Langenfeld suggested that for clarification purposes they should just forget the figure of $10,000 and use just percenta�;es or a pro rata portion of X dollars. He said that way they could establish where priorities did lie. Mr. Boardman told Mr. Langenfeld that they did have to set a certai.n limit on the thing. He said he triought the}� had spenC this amount of monev last pear, and they were tiaonderinp, i.f they had spent it wisely or if there were more worthvrhile or€;anizations that could be 1'unded, and this was what thev were asking Human Hesources. He stated the,y were not bud�;eting mone,y to Human Hesources or doing anything yet, Mr. Peterson said that last year when requests came through tne Human Hesoiirces Cocrunission to Planning to Cit,y Council, tiiey were earmarked for special purPoses and tnat was thc only wa,y they could be spent, If i.t was in general Uudgetine, he continued, thc City hicuia�;er would have the authority to �pend it anycaay he wanted to within that budget and not necessarily on those items. . � ..4 Plannine Co^unission Meeting - July 1l�, ]97b Page 21 :;r. �er€;mah as :ed if th?y we:re r�al ly trvin€; to 1'ind out fron Human itesources ��inati .ney suggest oe included in t,�e Ludget f'or Li�eir activi�ie:;, iir. 3:.ard:�:ir; � stiiu hc rras no; s,.:e zana'., tY,e :inteni�, c:' t.nn Ci�L,Y A:ann�e^': off'icc r;r�s, bu:- �e tneuF:t t^ey .:�^c �:orn:ie.^i.n�; if the money snent, last ycar was ,.rire].y �ucnt, or �hou= 3 t:ere .,_ ot.`.-�r tnin��e that shunl:i bc fmided. 1•:r. iiarri� ..�id tnat, -in1�s� �omc�:.�dv � u:e.�r. ar.�: mad^ r, request an:3 a�ked� ho�•r �m�ere ttiey sunpoced to '-:no�.a •:r'nat t'.^.c,y �re. :'.r. 3or.rdm;,n said ar. t!;ou�.ht thi s t,rin^ na�i be a hi t nrc.. ,i>>re occ2��se ',:.^en ^�ai.s a�d ob,jective:; merr: estab2ished� theee o�qjectives �::ot:ld be �11C Ol:t _.,.. " ].[�.^_._.... `70'.:��? Uf'. [.^a,Feii?`.:'�lE,,; -gi,. n' .C�(i� liC . . �., i�!fiS 1' :'lll�.l;fl �n^t. "� hf .•.i' }:: .. :n tc -:on : �,. : � ;!;C a��l'� .R'..�1 il�.; $'F�II@r2� b:l`j�4t ?I7C� �''7(?V K0111Q[l�� YT107i '::iln7•p. i{� i7F'*]t.. '?r. ::a^��s s^:a he �.ho,:,^'�t that :�as the •.^y i.t Ghould be done--the �.�av �t c;rts '_ast year. .irs. Ga��e1 stated that she ihought the Human .'.e�curcer !;om:^�is��on did �n er.oeller.� ��, ar:d she would like to see them have a handle on ii„ )I^s. Snea �aid t��ai in regard to Social Services� she thoa�':�t the mzin reason �hie .,__.: a�o�`. .. bsc•�n^c� Co�n ?a:�ga° a�Ued for ;�3�,nnr� r..��r^ tnA rit.• n; rric .ecau . rr^�,c�✓ peop_e dr, use th� P'amil�� Serv;.ce. .__. �'� rr.: _, _:c it *.;_s siso oe�«:se Coor Hapids z�;as running intc _`isca'_ r�^ne' =:-�� rob'.e%'r;. �hai°.^.er=^n flarris s,id if t�e Fariilp Ssrvice lrzs being user, b;,r :1ore t��-?n one coru-�nit�: '_n �^e count;,•, then it should be a county function. `�s. Lange^felc s�at.ed 'r.e felt tne,y s�ould vote not to concur �•rit'z ;,he notion ov t::a 'r.ar:an : esources Comrnission, ar:d ther. submit a mot�on that Council con��_de: • 2t least ��,GO� (t:^is ;,�?uld be excluding duplication� of the Ycu�:.h Center �.7d Seni�r Ci:,izer.$) o' public money from �er.eral continger.c.y f:mds to oe al'_o-^ated to r,`:e zI.:-en 3°soL°ces �o:�m.i�sicn £or tnz cultivation of human resources Ceve-_o�:,�e;t ir. tne City, rlrs. Shea com�ented L'nat she :�=oulcin't li�e to �ee ihat mene•r 21'_ocated to tne iiur�an Resources Corcnission. �tr, :aterson =aid �e would like to of£er as a nossible motion tihat tne Plannin�; Com^..:ssion coscur :•:ith ine iiuman i�esoarces Com^�ission in ti�e need ior cuiti.v.tion of l::�an ^ssci:rcee, an: thaitn�?riurther recoririend tnat t��e srendinF; o" tris come through cn a^eco, �^�enclation f'ron Hurian xesou: ces to Pl:Lnnin;- to �oimcil to be spent oat of the �ontingency fund. He stated that the requests should be cons'_dere� on ;n apnlication basis, h;rs. Gabei sa?d s?�e t•rondered if they shouldn't give 1�rs. Snea i,he opportiinit;✓ to take inis bacec io her Co�rmission� but hlrs. Shea said sne didn't thin=: :,nat o-ras uossible as the Council rrould be looking at the budget siarting August ?. i4rs. Gabe- a�;ed T:r. noardman if thi= aas somehow being wor!ced into the oadge:. since it. xas a Stai'f ine:�ber ti�:no made t'�e recommendation, and he replied he raLher doubted it. Chairaersen 5arris said he thought 1.*hat the,y were trying to do is earmark, someiiow� S10,J:�; :"or ail of the projects that ceme tiirough here. !ie said that. then *.�rnen a r:o,ject wer.ti through tne Plannin� Commission and got to Council and Lhe,y approved it, they would have �10,0u^0 in this fund and could iund it fron tne:•e. *xs. Uabe7 said they should find a V.ay to see tnat some mone�� • doe� �et spent on thin�s like h'ine Arts, Air. L,�ngenfeld commented that tl�is was an invitation to Pandora's IIox. � Planning Commission Meeting - July 1l�� ly'7b i'3[:e �? Chairper�on Hnrri_s said they thin�; th;it scared him was that it would be'learned that the City had y;10,000 to spend on this type o£ thinP,, requests would come throu�h and be funded and the :G10,000 would be disbursed, Then� he said, i.f . one more request came though� Counpil would sa,y tP�e.;,� cou�ldn't flmd it n� the p10,000 had been spent, and that might be just the one that snould be ��ranted, Mr. Boardman said t,hat caas wh,y th�,y ti�:anted to see what th.e priorities were. AIr. Harris said tnc nroblem with this was that it Vras going to 4rind up ]ikc a21 the cnr;MUnities ciown at the tiUll ofS'ice tr,ying to f;et pet nro�ects apF rnved. He said they would probably have t4�enty rennesLs for �5,000 apiece. t•tOT101d b,y Langen£eld, seconded by Peterson, that the Rlanning Commi.�sion recommend to Council that the,y do not concur with tne recomTendation by t'r:e Human Hesources Gorrunission ihat Council consi.der that ai least S10,C00 oi' pub'lic mone,y be allocated to the broad area of culti�aat,ion o7' hum�n resources development in the Ciiy o£ Fridley, and also does not concur r.*ith ihe bud�;et dis6ursement of the :�10,Q00 as recorvnended b,y the Human Resaurce� Commission. Uoon a voice vote� Hsrris, Bergman, Langenfeld� Peterson and liaoel voting a��e, Shea abstaining� the motion carried. MO'1'IOTd by Peterson� seconded by tsergman, thai the Planning Cor�rni: sion agreP with the Human Resources Commission in cu7.tivation o2' 'r.unan resources cieve:�op- ment within the Cit}� 02' r'ridle,y� realizing that some oi' t!-iese s!�ould be supported by City monies� and recommend to the City Council that each request snould come through an appeals process through �he tluman Eesources Commission to Planning Commission to City Council. Mr, Lan�enfeld asked iF I�tr. Peterson felt he should ind9_cate some kind of' source �• such as contingenc,y fund. Air. Peterson said he didn't think that wa� necessar,y as it would be handled out of tne contingencv Y'und a_ny:aap. He added tnat ne didn't like to set a dol.lar limit because in 1977 it migni be more or less than last year. U°Orv A VOIC� VO'i�:, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. U, CONTINUEll: HECOt,"".�7E�vDA'1'IOivS Oiu HUMA.'� DrVr:LOPM'�iaT GOALS AivD UKJr:C1'1UB5 A".r. �soardman said wnat he was looking f'o: at this time was develooment o_*' Goal Statement D100, and trying to work tnat out. He said tnat this i,as wnat ti�as brougnt bei'ore the Planning Ccmmission as i'ar:cs anh �.e��reation �-,als, ��'. �-:��;' had been re-�.aorked and nut into those five program objectives. He told the Commission that what he was looking for £rom them now was directi.on as to whether this is the proper �+�a,y to go on it. Mr. Peterson said he wished to discuss something that wasn't necesseirily� germane to D100, but he thought it kas something ti�e Comnission should be aware of. He stated that a couple of months ago at a Council meeting Parks and Hecreation was critic-ized by Councilpe;son 6ukowski� and after the,y t.':iought about it for a�anile they decided she prubab,,y was rip�ht, Atr. YeLerson sai.d the Parks and Recreation Commission then started a pruiect cormnittee to onl,y leok at recreation within the City of H'ridle,y. i�e told the Commissioners that if they had arty thou�hts on that it would Ue well to get in touch with that • committee. He added that maybe their Commissions �aould want to discuss it now that the,y do have this project committee activated. �� Planning Commission hieeting - Julg lk� 7976 Page 23 Pir, iiergman asked if it t.�as the intent of 111�0, o�hich enr_ornna^sed t:�rourh D151�� t�i Y�e Yarz and decreat�on's de� crip ivr pro rar, nb �� ctivc: ,.ro:�r m pl.nn� 1•0 �7 sta�F��ent� :u�d so on. i'.r. 'in3r�ir:-=n .3.d t! �.�as oorrect. �!r. P�`e-r�on ��d his underst�ndinE; roras that was tru^� but o:it,h the feeling that, at �n,y {:i*ne that the P�arks and kecr�tatior� Comr^.is::ion throu€;h tne nroce�s of br�n�inP it tn t,hir. bociy ,-:ad to Lhe City Cnuncil could exnr�nd ta;°: a: thr. ns�,d :ri.�es. i!r. .snardTan sai.d tYus :;ould be __ ver�� f1ey,;G1^ nr�.•r"' becau^e rro;�ra-� nbjectiv�.� co,,:i�? be addec, and even goal statements, if nece:��ar;;�. A^r. Bergman asked i;r. Boardman ii he reaL';,� felt that f^o:� a wei�nt anal;�°.is tnat if he took the items as describe', th�t t!;e enur;errti_on of �:te�s rc'.^?.i"e to recreation and c^umeration of i�ems rel:,tive to park desirn and cnumer^.tion of items relative to elderly activities� etc.� r.arried in terms oY weightiness in the documentation some rr:l3tivi��• to th� wei�htiness in actnal praci,ice. ::� said that by actual. prac�ice he �•�as ir,cluding staPfing� £unding� exn�'nditu^es� etc. In �ther words, he said, he could look at rrhat was wriLten and :'eac = balance of a magnitiide ci' activzties. �e said :�is aues�ion r;as, does t1:at same balance actually exist in re�]itp, or :=houldn't he b2 tr:�ing to relate balance. I�ir. Boardman said he thou.ght Air, bergman i-*as looking at 110, 120, 13� ar.d 1�0 all relatin� to parks, ar.d 11�0 re].ating to recrea;.ion. He said he tr.o�i�;ht this was what D?r. B°rgman was looking at as £ar as creightiness, out it didn't necessarily work that way. fie stiated tnai recreation ;ra� one scope .rir,r..r. t^e j78T'iCS area, 271u PHI'1: CIEV°ZOPt�lP.rit. 'r!25 tJT'O�:E7 (iOt•Il'1 lIltO 5?7cI'£?I tfiirif�5: U?t;t • system; individual park land as :ar as deveiopment� aest:^.et_c cuali�ies, etc.; peoole or pub'_ic participation z•n�,� park's orogra^�s� s;,ecial ;�ana�ement o* those oarks for recreation. He added L7at :ecreation ti•;z� another crogra^!. ie said that this was not set up so trere was a balance oF things b,y ccunting the number of goals. P�'s, boardman explained t�,at all ei' ihe balr.nce in *ecreat:or. might be handled in one goal or one orog^am objective, �anereas f'ou^ objectiv^s might be needed to handle what z,•as :aanted in a parks �ystem. t9r. Feterson said tnat to e.nsaer the �uestion nother way� t^at �.'r.ile it 1oe:�ed top-heavy as far as facilities versus p^o�ram, the '77 �ud�;eL i� j-1 pro�rr,r versus facilities in terns of i•rnat tney had renuested. i;r. �er��m then re?d D11�0, and asked if thai +.ras bala�ced if i+ ��:as looked at in ter;�� o: a_ge €troup• TIr. Peterson said that iaas a difficult ouestion to ansi.-er, but in ter^is of priorities tne m�imum a:^�ount �,ould be snent on young reone, tre second most important segment G.ould 'oe the senier citizens� and the tn_rd rorould br. t•hose represented as this body as they had the mone,y and facilities to ;o elsei;i�ere and �aere also working and had less time to use ihe facilities. Mr. Langenfeld said that he had his notes on this iteM fron when it �aas discussed previously� and commented that under D100 ihe,y had apparently decided t,o nromote adequate park £acilities, not provide. Eie also had noted ihat under D131 i�e ::ad marked tne handicaoped� �nd asked if this tiaould be speci!'ie3 aG ParKS and Hecreation or just Hum.�n Development, 14r. 9oardm:an said t%iis z-rould just be Human Development, ana wouldn't be saecif�ed as Parks �.nd Hecreation. Hr stated that the only reason he nad put in ll131 :nd D132 �:ras to �;ive �ome • exarrole,� and alth�ugh the handicapped mif;ht �o in sonc�lace, he ia�s not sure if it would �o unaer D130 or not. rlr., Bergman said he i:hought the general outline looked ioell organi�ed� and asked Mr. Boardman what he was expecting from the Commission, idr. Noardman replied r-+ -. - Planning Commission t�iceting - July ll�� ].9")b 1'ago 2!� hr wa.^ lookin� for approval. ttr. Lan�;enYe] d>aid hE ,�ould l ike to rc com. ��nd Ln3t th� Yl<inninf; l.o n i,� i on • apnrove �he E,o«1 :�,t..t�,mctN;:, a, rec�.., ��rnde:l�cr,% ct.ntr,:n�rt nL a t'r�c� .� 1.2�;e;� rorould be malrin�; sor^� he3dorZy. 1�Sr. li�rgman �ai�1 he a�r�e�� but �aou7d likc� to � -t��+.,cd tn^' �n �n11 ��,^t.e^��u� ."' �.r r��.311�_i ':!�1t �ia�e on� .�ur ^e: t`�.n. (. _, at sr,m� t':m��, i.*t t,he r��^i; !�c h:td -;ad� t?�c com;�nnt t,��r�t Proti^dinr p..rk i'eci l itir�� ;�ould not en�>>re his he� l th nnd �;re'1 bo nP. i�le :'aid i t r^i �nt promoi;e it� but �it ��rouldn't make nim '�ealth,y, a.nd �u�ge ,ted that �n^.ur� he char.t��r. to rmor:ote. Air. Board^�an saia t}�at �;:otild be fin�. hlrs. Shea brought up P�tr. LangenSe'd'� s:�ggestion about puttir.g in sone-::nc-rc ^omething a.bout the handicanqed� anr9 the Conmis>�ioners a�reed they �,a^nted to �ee that. 1�Ir. .°•oardman said they o*o�a].d �et into that. MOTTOra by Langenfeld, seconded by Yeterson, that the Planning Co^irii.ssion take tnese on a goal statement ba^is only. Upon a voice vot�� all voti_ng aye, the motion carried unaniroously, I�iO'1'IOD� by Bergman� seconded by Uabel� that the Planning �oruaission acr.ent goal statement D100 as stated. Upon a voice vote� eil vo�ing aye� tne mot:on carried unan;.mously, YOuTH CE�ITF°� DISCUSSIOiu A1r. Boardman informed the Commission that the City Council had taken action on the Youth Center� and had given the Commissions tnat o:ould be invo7.ved • thirt;� d�vs to come up with a reoresentative on the Charter. i�Irs. Gabel said she would like to mention that there was a. member on the Appeals Commission who would i.ike to serve, if they �.,ere looking for members, Sne added that she understood tnis individual helped io or�-,anize a youin center in anotner state some years back, and iie H�ould like to ass�::t. Chairperson Harris asked if the Corunission wanted a memUer o£ this Commission to serve on the Bozrd� or if the��iranted to appoint someone else besides a member. rir. Boardman said that first of all, the neople apnointed at this time i•rould be appointed to a temporary Board o2' Directors to serve nct more than thirty days. He stated that during tnat time the,y would ,:rite the cnarter, establish interim rules f'or the youth center and facilitate the e'_ection for regular members to the permanent board. He stated that the appointed ex-officio ^�embers would also serve on the permanent board, ana that the six regular memhers of the temporary board would have also the ex-officio membe.^s of the Fridle,y City Council, the FrialeY Police Department, and the Parks and Recreation Con.mission. He added that when the charter was written, those officio members would continue on the permanent board. Pir. ?3ergman stated that he recollected that the pmposal was that these me��ibers be teena�;ers. ?tr, Boardman disagreed, and sai-d the,y had wanted supervi:ion from the di£ferent Commissions in the writing of their chartcr. • Cht�irperson Harris requested an answer to the question he had posed; and again asked il' this Commission wished to appoint a member i'rom the Commission as thFir appointee� or i1' they wished to go outside the Commission. � � Planning Cortunission Meeting - July llt, 19'!b Page 25 A7r. L.3ngenfeld answered tt�at in his personal opinion, the,y should appoint someone from the outside and have that individual inf�rm t,hem of �hat was goin�; on . periodically, h?rs, Gabel said she.thoueht they had ti•�rked on this so much they had a lot of preconceived ideas� and thought if they apoointed somebody f'rom the outside that didn't nave any set ideas as to how this should be done they could probably wor;c wi;n the youth a lot better, Mr. Bergman stated he had an alte:.-�ate thought, and stated that he wa:, thinkin�; that since they all nad spent some time on this and had sone knowledE>e of it, it wouid ma%e scme sen;e that this kno�;leripe be anplied to tnis function rather than pulling in a stranger who had no background in this at all. Chairperson Harris saia that i£ the Commission deciaed to apooint one of its me.^.,bers to tne temporary board, ne :eli it onl,y £air that ne volunteer as he was the only one who had only two 1?ednesday nights to attend per month. A7CPION by Peterson, seconded by U2be1, that 1�1r. Harris be the Planning Commission�s appointee to the Youth Center�s tenporary board of direcLors. Uoon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr, �oardman said that hopefully the Cnairmen now could serve notice to their Corn�nissions on this as to how they uant to handle appointing members or ex-officio menbers at a Commission level. Mr, tsergman stated that he was going to suggest or requesi to Community Develop- ment that they get a volunteer to serve on this. He said tnat all oS tnese representatives were slated to be irom some funetion, and asked i� it *.•rould be possible to filter a volunteex's nare throue_,h Mr. t3oardman. PI^. Bergman saic that if the3� had a volunteer� he could serve as a representative 1'or ar�y one oF these functions. Nr. Boardman saia it looked to him that the youth were looking £or a member from each oi' the Commissions oecause these pereons on that Comriissicn rrere aware 02' that Commission's f'unction. Mr, narris said the reading he got 1'rom the xids was thai they wanted a member i'rom the City Council, the Pl�ning Cc:uaission, etc. Mrs, Shea sai3 she was assuming thai they would allow someone to sit in and make suggestions, dut they wouldn�t have a vote. P1r, ttoardman said it looked lixe the youth had selected the Planning L'ommission� the Parks anfl Hecreation Commission and the Human Hesources Commission as Com�nissions that would ;elp get the charter �oir.g. ADJOUHN':�*I1. MOTIUN by Langen£eld, seconried by Shea� that the meeting be adjourned, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Cocunission meeting of July 1l�� 1976 adjourned at 12:21 P,Pi. by unanimous vote. • Hespectfully submitted, � �0/Ol�1L l ! % � 1�� n'O�.l� ��.t She ri 0'Donnell; Hecording Secretary � . . SPECIAL PARKS � RECREATION COP�iISSION MEETING JULY 6, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, Dave Harris, Harvey Wagar MEMBERS�ABSENT: Jan Seeger, Leonard Moore 2�� ' OTHERS PRESENT: Dan Huff, Acting Director of Parks & Recreation Department Jan Konzak, Administrative Assistant to the City Manager Chairperson Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:45 p-.m. DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED PARKS & RECREATION BUDGET FOR 1g77, INCLUDING PRIORITIZATIOBI.; OF CAPITAL OUTLAY ITEMS ,�v.�;;,; Commission qCCOUNi 4500 (land) Approval 1977 1. Special Assessments - 2. Land Purchases (general) - Mr. Peterson questioned if at this point in time,with all the property they have, if "Land Purchases" is a viable goal. Mr. Huff stated that it was his understanding that it was only in the budget in case s�ething came up--a piece of land that was adjacent to a park where more space was needed, for example. 3. Islands of Peace (due in 1977) The Crnmnission agreed that t�e $10,240 be put under Commission approval for 1977;;,*with the requirement that this item be considered outside the Commission's 6% . increased request for 1977 and that if any repayment'be received from Islands of Peace, it be earmarked for the Parks & Recreation Capital Outlay budget in excess of that to be allotted in the year of reimbursemen�. $ 20,000 7,000 10,240* 2�: SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING JULY 6 1976 PAGE 2 ACCOUNT 4510 (Buildings & Structures) Administration (Pro�ram 237) 1 f'] Remodeling part of old library - *The Commission still felt that this should be with the contingency that the Police Dsoartment (or whoever uses the old office space)reimburse the Parks & Recreation Department for this expenditure, Fencing & security (general) Area 1 (Program 241) 1. City garage (mortgage payment) - 2. Locke Park Shelter (mortgage payment) - 3. Activity Building at Madsen Park - *Balance of $20,000 to be financed over 4 more years ' ($5,000/yr.), possibly from pension fund. Commission Approval � 1977 Mr. Harris stated that maybe after the Commission has pre- pared the budget, that maybe Mr. Qureshi could meet with them to discuss the budget. He said the orioinal item on the shelter building was $18,000 and now it is up to $25-28,000 when Parks & Recreation could have borrowed the $18,000 and had it paid up by now. 4. Locke Park footbridge - low priority 5. Concrete floor ("Old Garage") - low priority Area 2 (Program 242) l 2 Siding for Sylvan Park Warming House - Siding for Logan Park Warming House - 3. Fencing (Glencoe & Springbrook Park) Area 3 (Program 243) 1. Permanen[ concessions building at Commons �k2 - $ 3,500* 2,500 6,243 5,000 5,000* • - 0- -0- 1,000 1,000 2,000 -0- Mr.•Peterson said he could see a concession stand at Commons �f2 and see it paying for il-self, but all the money coming from the concession stand goes into General Revenue and they get the concession Uuilding in the Parks & Recre- ation budget; and there really should be an offsetting credit. On that hasis, it is a low priority item. a�^ � J SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JULY 6, 1976 PAGE 3 � Commission Approval 1977 2. Siding & fir,tures for HAF, FYSA, City Storage/ Restroom building at Commons - $ 3,500 Area 4 (Progarm 243) 1. Picnic canopy - Flanery Park - Area S (Program 244) 1. Fencing (Summit & Altura Parks) - *50% of this cost to be provided by adjacent property owners following a study by the neighborhood project committee. Area 6 (Progarm 246) 1. Fencing at Meadowlands Park - ACCOUNT 4520 (Furniture & Fixtures) � Administration (and general, Program 237) 1. 10 Park Benches (at $70) - 2. IBM correcting typewriter - Area 1 1. Landscaping and general equipment for Unity Park - *Final expenditure for leased property without longer term lease. There was a question among the Commission members about this item. They thought there had been an exchange of property with Unity Hospital and that should be park land. They questioned the lease. Mr. Huff was asked to check on this. 2. Picnic tables, trash cans, and charcoal burners for new Locke Park picnic area - 3. 1 set, 5 seat x 18' bleachers for Locke Parlc softball fields � 375 3,300* 2,000 700 1,200 2,500* 1,000 :�� ?� �R � � t. srseini, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JULY 6, 1976 PAGE 4 Area 3 1. 2 benches for Commons - 2. 1 set, 10 seat x 18' bleachers for Commons 4P2 - ACCOUIvT 4530 (Machinery & Auto Equipment) Administration and general use (Program 237) 1. 2. 3. !r . 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Commission Approva� 1977 3/4 ton 4wd pick-up trade w/plow (w/trade-in) - 1 ton stake bed truck (w/trade-in) - 1/2 ton pick-up truck - 2-way radio for truck (above) - Tractor (5000 series) - . Rotary mower (for above) - Fertilizer spreader (for ik5) - Snowblower (7', 2-stage) (for �65) - Brush chipper (self-contained) - Utility vehicle (Jacobsen UD-4) (for snowblowing, plowing, mowing, sidewalk, and trail maintenance) (w/attachments) - The Commission felt this should be budgeted in lieu of ��5. 11. Hand mowers (3 @ $200) - 12. Sweeper repair parts - 13. Fertilizer spreader (hand) - 14. Welder (gas) - 15. Welder (arc) - ACCOUNT 4540 (Other Improvements Administration and general use (Program 237 1. 1" �vater hose, 1,000 linear feet - 2. Cedar posts for landscaping, 950 at $2/post - 3. Snow fencing Area 1 1. Resurface infields at Madsen Park �kl and i62- 2. Walkways at Locke Park - $ 150 Mr. Harris suggested that maybe $1,000 could be put in this year and $1,000 next yzar. 3. "Color-Kote" Madsen tennis courts and basketball court - 4. Pave Locice Park West parking lot - very low priority 5. Replace Locke Park archery butts 2,200 6,400 6,600 -0- -0- -Q- -0- -0- -0- 7,000 4,800 600 400 150 190 35 0 1,520 1,900 600 2,,Q00 1,50� -0- 300 � � J €—� � � � • �- SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING JULY 6 1976 PAGE 5 Area 2 1. Resurface infields at Sylvan, Logan and Craig Park softball fields - 2. Construct softball field at Ruth Circle Park - 3. Resurface and "Color-Kote" tennis court at CXaig Park 4. "Color-Kote" court areas at Ruth Circle, Glencoe (exc. prop, tennis court.) and Skyline Parks - 5. Tennis Court at Glencoe Park - 6. Preliminary Development-"Ashton-Mississippi St. Park" Area 3 1. Basketball Court at Covmmons Park - low priority 2. Irrigation Additions at Commons (sledding hili) - Commission didn't feel this was necessary at this 3. Pave new walkway and South Parking lot at Commons 4. Tennis Court lighting at Commons (coin activated) � Co�nission Approval 1977 $ 900 1,000 - 2,600 - 2,500 10,000 - 2,000 � time. - low priority -0- - -0- Mr. Peterson stated that this is one of those items where it would be better if they could work in cooperation with the schools as the schools' tennis courts are farther away from the � residential areas, and it would make more sense to light the - schools' tennis courts. 5. Resurface infield at Co�ons i�5 softball field - Area 4 1. Topdress Moore Lake and Flanery Park ballfields - 2. Resurface infields at Moore Lake and Flanery ballfields - 3. "Color-Kote" court area at Haclm�an Park - 4. Preliminary development - Briardale Park - 5. Preliminary development - Harris Lake Park - The Commission hopes they wi11 get some input from the Neighborhood Project Co�ittees for development of these parks. 6. Erickson Beach improvement - 7. Two footbridges at Moore Lake - Low priority this year 8. Improve Moore Lake swimming docks - low priority Area 5 1. Improve ballfield at Burlington Northern Park - The Commission agreed to do the minimum as this ballfield is used mainly as a practice field. 300 600 1,200 725 3,000 2,000 1,000 -0- -0- 300 31 SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING JULY 6, 1976 PAGE 6 Commission Approval Area 5 (continued) 1977 2. "Color-Kote^ new Summit Park tennis court - $ 1,500 3. Tot-lot improvements at Farr Lake Park - 1,000 4. Preliminary development - Cheri Lane Park - -0- The Commission decided to eliminate this item from the budget as it is a leased area from Target and they feel Target should do some of the developing. Area 6 1. Charcoal burners at Meadowlands Park - The Commission decided to wait to see what happens in the other garks where some charcoal burners were budgeted and to see what input they get from the Neighborhood Project Committees. 2. Pave Meado��lands Park parking lot - 3. fingineering study - Meadowlands Park improvement and future development - ACCOUNT 4510 (Buildings and Structures) Program 274 - Hockey 1. 1/2 cast of new warming house at Madsen Park * Budgeted under Page 2, Area 1, Item 3 Program 276 - General Skating 1. 1/2 cost o� new warming house at Madsen Park Program 284 - Swimming Beaches 1. 3 new lifeguard towers (2 - Erickson, 1- Moore Lake) - ACCOUNT 4520 CFurniture & Fixtures Program 276 (General Skatin� 1. Benches, etc. for proposed Madsen warming house - * included on Page 2, Area 1, Item 3 Program 2S2 (Playgrounds) 1. Shelving for equipment storage - � � -0-* H�� •�� -0-* 320 • • SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING JULY 6 197b PAGE 7 • ACCOUNT 4510 (continued) Program 284 (Swimming Seaches) 1. 3 benches for beach house - Prokram 286 (Concessions) 1. Hot dog prep. equipment for Moore Lake Beach and Commons concessions - 2. Freezer for Commons Concessions The Coumiission then discussed increasing fee revenue. �� Canmission Approval 1977 $ 150 300 aoo Ms. Konzak gave to the Commission members a list of recoumiendations for incre�s.;ng fees. � MOTIOI� by Dave Harris, seconded by Aarvey Wagar, that the Parks & Recreation Co�ission reco�end the following increase in fee revenue: Softball - 1977 Entry Fee/Team Men's Open Slow Pitch & Indus. Slow Pitch $160 from $140 Men's Rec. Slow Pitch & Indus. Slow Pitch 155 " 135 Men's "Over 30" Fun Slow Pitch 155 " 135 Couples 16" Fun Slow Pitch 110 " 95 Women's Open Slow Pitch 145 " 125 Women's Rec. Slow Pitch 140 " 120 Women's Fun Slow Pitch 130 " 115 Swin¢n.ing - $2.50/ child Youth baseball - increase of $1 Girls' softball -$1.00 to the City Girls' football -$1.00 to the City Playground - $6/individual; $12/ maximum per family Basketball - raise Men's Team from $75 to $100/ no iii�xease in youth team Hockey - $2,00 to the City Broomball - $2.00 to the City Football- $2.00 to the City Volleyball - Team fee raised from $45 to $55 The Commissioq will so inform the Associations that they are to collect and identify �the number of participants and th� money will be due the Gity within 30 days after completion of registration. (This is to start in 1977.) Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the mo[ion carried unanimously. . � ,�,� SPECIAL i PARKS & RECRliATION COMMISSION MEETING .TULY 6 1976 PAGE 8 Mr. Peterson stated that he felt the Parks & Recreation Department has an obligation to be looking at the total fee structure for any organization that uses its facilities to make sure these organizations are not over-pricing the taxpayers who furnish these facilities. ' Mr. Harris stated that the fee revenue increase should be re-evaluated next year by determining how many hours each person is paying for, excluding the maintenance factor, because,percentage-wise, some are being increased more than others. ADJOURNMENT: The meeting was adjourned at 11:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, � � Ly e Saba Recording Secretary • • � SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COr4IISSI0N MEETING JULY 12, 1976 M@lBEStS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, Dave Harris, Harvey Wagar, Leonard Moore MEMBERS qBSENT; OTfiYRS PRESENT: Jan Seeger Jerry Boardman - City Planner Neighborhood Project Commi.ttee members Chairperson Bob Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. DISCUSS SCOPE OF RECREATION AND NEIGHBORiI�QD PROJECT C�AIZTTEES >: 34 Mr. Peterson thanked all the members for attending this special meeting and told them how the Commission appreciated their willingness to serve as Neighborhood Projecx ro�ittee members. He then asked Mr, goardman to go through the materials �that were handed out to the committee members and if there were any questions, they were to feel free to ask them. Mr. Boardman stated that the maps that were given out were outdated. He stated that in the next couple of weeks the City Staff will be submitting to the Neighhor- hnod Project Conmittee me�bers new material including the breakdown of neighborhood characteristics within each of the neighborhoods, a new updated park map as well as aerial maps of each park so the committee members will know whaE park is in each neighbarhood and what is in those parks. The CommiEtee members will also get A breakdown as to what some of the recreation standards are, such as park space needed per population. These will be available merely for their use or view, to see if these standards meet the criteria for each o£ the neighborhoods. City Staff will also put in their recommendations as to the type of activities they feel should be happening in neiqhborhoods with these characteristics. Mr. Boardman then outlined the Purpose and Scope of the Neighborhood Project C�it[ees as wr.itten on the sheet entitied "Neighborhood Parks Project Coomiittee `of the Parks and Recreation Commission^. He stated that right now they are in the process of putting together a Parks and Recreation comprehensive plan for the city. in this Parks and Recreation comprehensive plan, thep will be delineating neighbor- hoods, discussing those neighborhoods as to what their needs are, what their priorities are as far as funding goes, and at the end of that they will set up recommendations and an implementaCion process for these Parks and Recreation naighborhood areas. Out of this will come a£ive-year capital improvements . � 35' SPECIAL PqRKS & RECRELtTION COt<AtISSION MEETING, 313LY 12, 1976 Page 2 program in whfch they Lrill establish priorities, raaking, etc. This will all be established throagh the Parks and Recreation Commission through the City Council. The project ca�ittees' input into this plan is the knowledge they have of their neighborhoods and the needs of their neighborhoods,, Mr, Bvardman said they are looking to the citizen to give them this type of information, have the citizens take a look at their parks, talk to their neighbors, and find out what their neighbors and themselves feel is needed in their neighborhood park to meet the requirements of their areas. i Under'Scope", Item 1, Mr. Boardman stated that the project coum�ittees should see if the faciiities of their neighborhoods meet the requirements of thefr neighborhoods. If they don't, then that is what should be evaluated. Under "Scope", Item 2, Mr. Boardman stated that in most cases there is no more park land space available. In thaC case, the project coannittees will just have to keep in mind the amount of space`that is available. Maybe the use of the parks at this time are not the right use for the neighborhood. Under "Scope", Item 3, Mr. Boardman stated that they want the project com.mittees to see if some facilities are not suitable to a neighborhood or are not providing the recreation they feel is needed in a neighborhoad, then they are to list their priorities as to what they do-need in the neighborhood. This wi11 help in the evalu,ating and planning for budgeting for the different items for those neighborhoods. .� Mr. Boardman stated that the three areas which the Neighborhood Projeot Committees � will not be evaluating are Loeke Park, North Park, and Islands of Peace. The only part of North Park that will he analyzed by the project committees is the portion on the west end. Mr. Boardman stated that the membership of the cornnittees should be 5-9 members. He pointed out that it was up to the chairperson, with the help of his committee members when possible, to fill out the membership of his no�ittee. When the project co�ittee is filled, ti�en the chairperson is to submit a list of a12 his conmiittee members to the Parks & Recreation Commission. The chairperson has the big responsibility in carrying out this program and Mr. Baardman outlined the chairperson's responsibilities. Mr. Boardman stated that on September 28, 1976, which is a Parks & Recreation C�ission meeting, the'Commission will be looking for findings from the commfttees. Mr. Harris stated to the committee members that by m otion, Monday nights were designated as meeting nights for the Neighborhood Project Co�ittees. They are welcome to meet at City Hall as there is space available for the meetings and it provides the Commission members with an opportunity to provide a staff person, if necessary,for questions to be answered and to help formula[e or better formulate their programs. . Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Boardman Yf he would be sending out to the coumittees a suggested form for them to use in filling out their reports. Mr. Boardman answered that he felt that was a very good idea. � � � �� SPECiAi. The question was asked that when Ehere is no park to evaluate, vhat do the comnittees do. Mr. Bogrdman answered that they should take a look at what facilities are available within the whole scope of their neighborhood. Maybe the only problem in the neighborhood is an access.problem. Md, maybe that could be the committee's reco�eadation. Mr. Rarris stated that if the conmittee members have any open areas, they should put down what they think the layout of that area should be. The information could be of great benefit. The question was asked ff the committees should evaluate any schools in the area even if the school is in a different school district. The answer was, yes, as long as the school is within the confines of Fridley. One conmittee member stated that she wished these project co�ittees could have been formulated sooner. She is very concerned as a tennis court is going up in her neighborhood taking the place of the little children's skating rink, leaving no activities for the smaller children. She vanted to know who ordered this dane. Mr. Boardman explained that a tennis court survey was taken throughout the CiCy as to how many people were playing in what areas and divided the City according to �service areas as to the number of hours that were being played in different nefghborhoods. They came up with certain areas that had shortages of tennis courts. Every 200 hours of tennis play within an area wauld require a court. It was up to the City Council and they budgeted for two tennis courts, one for the north and one for the south. � Mr. Peterson stated that the City Council is often handicapped by lack of informa- tion from the different neighborhoods and this same problem can possibly be prevenCed in another area by input from the project committees. Mr. Harris stated to the co�ittee members the importance of geCting members for the committees from ail areas of the neighborhood and not just people from one street so that a broad segment of that neighborhood is represented. He said Chey don't need to feel they must canvas the neighborhoods and knnck on doors as it is not one of their requirements, although they may do so if they wish. The question was asked if there would be any problem with neighborhood work groups-- the City providing the equipment and the neighborhood providing the labor. Mr, Aarris stated that this should not be included in the reports to be passed on to the City Council. Because of priorities, the project may be delayed a couple of years and the people who were going to provide the labor may have moved or may no longer be interested. a 3� 1 � r � _ 3"7 SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMrffSSION MEETING JUI,Y 12 1476 Pa e 4 Mr. Harris told the c�ittee members that if theq had any questions that they should feel free to ca11 Jerry Boardman or any of the Parks & Recreation Commission members. Mr. Tam Nielsen expresaed his personal thanks to the Parks & Recreation Co�ission for their particfpation in the youth programs. Mr. Peterson stated that the Commission members would like to attend some of the Neighborhood Project Coumiittee meetings and would appreciate the c�ittees callfng the City office about their meeting schedules so that if any of the Commission members are free,'they could attend. Mr. Peterson again thanked all the project commftEee members for attending this meeting. ADJOURNMENT: The meeting�was adjourned at 8:30 p,m, Respectfully submitted, Lyn e Saba Recording Secretary � . i ,.�-,_ �� .��._. SPECIAL PARKS 6� RECREATION;fi�ETING � �� F� aa3c.7:' � JULY 12, 1976 I3EI#;fi8pRH00D PROJECT CO2�AfITTEE ME[�ERS PR85ENT AT SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION MBETING N&me Betsy Sauer Jayne Noble Tom Nielsen Byron Butters Raren Budnick Blaine Lawreuce � BetCY Bnnine :) Ted 'Rue ..�_ - Bruce Holmes Ron Stecl�an Kathq Divine Sandy Baeon Clayton L. Storley Dorqthy Breza Daryl Roltag Chuck Lindman Jndi Janiak Jim itichardson Joe Matusovic ban Sullivan• �, Don Fullen Atice Benson Qlaqdoa Polzin Address 5189 Horizon Drive 7381 Jackson Street N.S. 7583 Lyric Lane 260 - 67th Avenue N.S. 601 Ironton St. N.E, 595 Ironton St. N.B. 601 Glencoe St. 170 - 63rd Way N.E. 6813 Hickory Dr. N.S. 58 Rice Creek Way 6170 Benjamin St. N.B. 1350 - 69th Ave. N.E. 414 Rice Creek Terrace 5221 Capitol St. 1391 Meadowmoor Dr. 1378 Meadowmoor Dr. 1655 Mississippi St. 6371 Squire Dr. N.E, 6361 Squire Dr. N.B. 1161 Regis Lane 6899 Madison St.-N.E, 640 -58th Ave. N.E. 6220 Jupiter Rd. N.S, Neighborhood (if known) 6 7 7 4 (i)Riverview Action �� 1� a n Recreation Project Coum�ittee 7 3 13 12 8 6 11 11 12 12 12 13 8 9 5 i • • FH1llL�T APPEAJS COMMISSION MEETING JULY 13� 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: Alex Barna� Pat Gabel, Dick Kemper MEMBERS ABSENT: OTtiERS PttP;SENT: Virginia Schnabel, Jim Plemel Ron Holden� Building Inspection Officer The me�ting was called to order by Acting Chairperson Gabel at �:29 P.M. APPROVAL OP' JUNE 29, 1976 APPEAIS COMMISSION MINUTFS: Chairperson Gabel stated that this item would have to wait until the next meeting of the Appeals Commission as nore of the members had received their copies of the minutes. MOTlON by Barna, seconded by Kemper, to table the approval of the June 29, 1976 Appeals Commission minutes until the next scheduled meeting. Upon a voice vote, all.v�ting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. TABLED: RE�UEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.065, (3,B) FRIDLEY C1TY CODE� TO ALLO:•1 TENAtiT OFF-STREET PAHKING IN TAE r'RUNT YARD OF AN EXISTING 4-PLEX, ZONED R-2 ('1'[�IO r'AMILY Dk'ELLING AREAS), IACATED ON LOY'S 1!� AND 15� BLOCK 6� CITY VIEr7 ADDITION, THE SA1�fE BEING 39a S7TH PLACE N.E.� P'RIDLEY� MINNESOTA. (Request by Mr. & Mrs. Peter Neururer� 6501 7l�� Avenue North, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55�28). 2. REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.065, �3�8) PRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO ALIAW TENANT OFF-STREET PARIfING IN THE FRONT YARD OF AN EXISTING 1t-PLEX, ZONED R-2 (TSr'0 FAMILY DWELLING AREAS), LOCATED ON LO'1'S 12 AND 13� BIACK 6, CITY VIEW ADDITION, THE SAME BEING 380 S7TH PLACE N.E., FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (Request by Mr. & Mrs. James Johnson, 621 Bennett Drive N.E., r'ridley, Minnesota� 55432). AISO: Both these variance requests are also asking to be allowed an encroachment into City boulevard with a parking lot, as restricted in the city coae, seotion 205.155, (3). MO'fION by Barna, seconded by Kemper� to open the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADhIINISTRATIVE STAFr' HEPORT 390 57th Place N.E. A, PUBLIC PURPOSE SEHVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.065, 3�B. No parking stall shall occupy any portion of the required £ront yard, Public purpose served by this section of the code is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard. ; << 39 �_.�Ii�TDLEY APPEALS COMMISSION MEliTING OF JULY 13� 1976 PAUE 2 ,; , ' �3� $. STATED HARDSHIP: Petitioner advised by the City E7�gineering Department that provision had been made to continue access to these existing stalls� but only contingent upon application and approval of the appropriate � variance. C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAF1�' REVIEW: Depressed curbing was installed in tne £ront of this 4-Plex to al.low continued parking in the front yard by the �gineer- ing Department, because waiting i'or the processing o£ this variance recuest would have been a very costly delay in the street construction. The oa�ner was requested to obtain a variance� or the depressed curbing would be replaced by regular curbing. The apartment has 3 two-bedroom and 1 single bedroom units, which require a total of %.5 parking stalls. The garage in the rear� facing $7th Avenue N.E.� has 4 parking st,alls. It is located 1�0 ft, trom the curbing on 57th Avenue with approximately 10 £eet o£ boulevard. This would possibly allow £or parking in the rear driveway without parking in the street right-oF-way. (Those with two cars could ' park the second car outside� behind their garage stall). In addition, the 1�-Plex apartment building next door to the tv'est is i�6 feet from the building at 390 57th Place. This area could be used as a joint parking area to help alleviate the front yard parking problem, ➢iagonal parking wi�h e �rive�•r�y- £rom front to rear could be installed. This would require a joint agreement with the neighbor to the `v7est. In as much as the neighbor to the U7est is scheduled before the Appeals Commission with a similar request at the next meeting� Sta£f recommends ihat the Cormnission discuss this issue, and postpone a decision until ooth requests can be considered simultaneously. Staff feels that a viable alternative to this front yard parking can be • worked out in this case. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT 380 $7th Place N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMErvT: Section 205.065� 3, B� prohibiting parking in the required front yard. Public purpose served by this section of the code is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard. B. STATID HARDSHIP: The peti.tioner was advised by the City F�gineering Deaart- ment that provision had been made to continue access to the existing parking stalls� but only contingent upon application and approval of the appropriate variance. C, ADMINI5TRATIVE STAFF REVIE47: Depressed curbing was installed in the front of this !t-Plex to allow continued parking in the front yard by the Engineer- ing Department� because waiting £or the processing o£ the variance request would have been a very costly delay in the street construction. The owner was requested to obtain a variance, or the depressed curbing would be replaced by regular curbing. The apartment has three 2-bedroom and one . � �. FRIDLEY APPF.Ai.S CUt°�IISSIOPI M�rTING OF JULY 13� I.976 PAI;E 3 41 � single bedroom units� which require a total o£ 7.$ pflrking stalls. The rear of the lot� fronting on 57th Avenne N.E.� has depressed c�Yrbin�; and stalls to accommodate 4 cars. 380 57th Place has no existing garage'� facilities. A majority of the tenants use the existing front ,yard oarkin� St.8�.ZS, . • The area in tne front yard� which is being used for parking, involves a 15.5 foot boulevard. Staff pictures show that the entire 15.5 foot boulevard is being used for parking. Parking in a boulevard is in violation of the City Code, Section 205.i55� 3. It is apparent that in order to alloor parking to continue in the boulevard, the H'ridley Citv Council would have to allow an encroachment into the boulevard for parking purposes, as well as approve a variance renuest for parking in the front yard. Attached p].ease find a memo from Tom Colbert� Assistant City Fhgineer� to iion Holden� • Building Inspection Of£icer� regarding the concerns of the �ngineering Department in this matter. Staff feels that although this petitioner has less available soace than his neighbor at 390 57th Place N.E., in which to provide the required parking� an alternative narking system could be arranged. A larger parking area in the rear would be one possible solution. A joint parking arrangement between the two buildings� incorporating diagonal parking, would be another. StaFf feels that any and all alternatives should be considered before granting .ihe variance reouest. Chairperson l;abel read the following memo to Ron Hol.den irom Thomas Colbert dated July 9th� 1976 on the subject o£ variance requests at 390 and 3�� 57th Place: In conjunction iaith-tioard revie�ral of the above referenced variances� some additional in£ormatian has been derived for consideration in dis- position o£ tnese requests. Should the requests be denied� the City would replace the existing depressed driveway opening with a normal curb and gutter section at a cost estimated to be approximately $1�000. If the requests are granted� and front yard boulevard parking is allowed, a maximum encroachment onto the public right-of-way allo:�ed by the D�gineering Division tiaould be 10.5 £eet. This would leave approximatel,y � Yeet oY boulevard behind the curb f'or snow storage and would insure against any potential for dariage to parked vehicles by snow removal equipment. In addition� if' the above mentioned encroachment is allowed, the �gineerin� Division strongly recommends that it be granted wi�h the following stipula- tion: "This encroachment shall be considered null and void should use of this encroached area be deemed necessary by Council action for an,y public • utilit,y� transitory� or otner public interest need. Upon nullification, reapplication shall be required to renew existing variance and eneroachment." �nr r'x1llL�Y APP�;ALS c:UMMISSIOn 1dHr;'1'ING Or' JULY 13, 1976 YAc;ts !t Mr. and Mrs. Peter Neururer were not at the meeting. Mrs. James Johnson was present to explain her request. � l;hairperson Uabel explained that the owners of 390 57th Place were to be present so the two items could be handled together� but ttiey urere not in attendance. She asked how many cars the tenants had at 3�0 $7th Place� and Mirs. Johnson said that the two-bedroom units usually had two cars and the single unit usually one. Mrs. �abel said then there would usually be seven cars there, ana Mrs. Johnson said that was correct, i9rs. c,abel asked if their propert,y r7ent over to the end of the Cence� and Mrs. Jonnson replied that it did, h1rs. Gabei asked how wide Lhe lot was� and Mr. tfolden said that both the lots at 3tl0 and 39� were ti0' wide. 1�Irs. Gabel asked if the,y had considered doing something in the back to provide nore psrkinF;, .:,nd R1rs. .Johnson sai.d tney hadn't as most peoole �referred going in the front door. Chairperson (;abel said she noticed there would be some trees lost if an alterna- tive parking situation was created, hlr, barna said that the trees were ouite old� and there would be some hedges lost also, He added that there were man,y children� on bikes� ei:c.� in that area. Mr. Holclen asked how close the trees were to the jdest property line� and Mrs. Johnson replied they were almost right to it. Pfrs Uabel noted that the buildings appeared to be caell kept up� and said it xould be nice� aesthetically speaking� if there could be parking in the rear. Mr, dlolden said at the last meeting he had suggested a parking area betUreen the two btiildings� but hlrs. Johnson said she didn't believe the other owner *,sould 'oe agreeable to that as he would be giving up a lot of property. She added that • there would be no yard area, P'ix�. Barna asked if the renters vrere usually ,young couples� and Mrs. Johnson said they were usually young peoale just starting out -" in life. T4r. Barna noted there was quite a slope between the tiro buildings, also. hlr. nolden agreed� and said it was less than an ideal solution. He asked i£ hlr, Neururer had contacted P�rs. Johnson, and she replied he had not. Afr. KemDer stated he felt there were two choices: 1) The variance could be denied� and if that decision was upheld by the Council then regular curbin� would be put back in £ront of 380 and 390 and the people who live there woul.d find places to park in the street or behind the buildin�;. 2) Leave the depressed curbing in £ront to permit off-street parking� and incorporate the provisions stated in Mr. Colbert's letter. In this event, part of the solution would be to insist tnat some sort of curbing be installed in front to delineate or define a parking area. Dir. Barna stated that 380 was not uniaue in the City of H'ridley as he had driven around and found about five other !t-Plexes with similar problems. He stated that one he had seen didn�t even have a drivewa,y in back, and a number of other buildings in the City are using front parking facilities now, He said that his question to himself was could they grant one variance because of hardship and not another one because there was a road i.n baek. Mr. Kemper suggested that each hardship should be weighed on its oi,m merits. Mr. 13arna said that they would be setting a precedent� and his personal feeling was that in a properly arranged £ront yard where there was enough room, it wouldn't be objectionable. i�e continued that in this particular instance there could be parking in the back o£ the building with removal of some trees� but the trees gave a nice break-of£ £rom 57th� � FRIDL�Y APPEALS COA4MISSION MEETINU OF JULY 13� 1976 PAGE $ Mr. Kemper stated that if the variance was denied and curbing installed on S7th Place� he didn't think it was the Conmission's position to tell them where to •, park their cars. He stated that �.:as not a concern of theirs, and also the cutting of the trees was somethine they did not have to get into. He asked if the variance was denied if the Commission shoul.d address itself to where the,y would park their cars. �Ir. �arna replied yes� they }zad to look at the stated hardship and look at the ;�hole balanced picture. I�r. Kemper said he understood that� but wondered if the decision was made to den,y the request if the,y would have to address that problem, rlrs. Gabel said that the,y vrould have to meet Cit,y Code� but the parking problem was part of the hardshio, i�r, Kemner said he didn't believe it was their position to prescribe to them how and urhere to park. P1r. Holden said that each had to be considered as an individual case, rie staied that in this case the hardship was the problem area� and 'ne thought because of the room in the rear ana the length o£ the lot, there would be room to install parking. He added that possibly a couple o£ trees would be lost, but not all of them, by a matter of design of the parking facility. He said that the neighbor next door had £e�aer prob]-ems rrith cars� but had a garage and also room to park in front of the garzge stalls. He said in that case there s:*ouid still be t:ne hardship of jocl�ng the cars around, Mr. Barna asked how many cars there were, and 1�'Irs, Johnson said there were usually seven� but right nor: there were eight. Mr, Kemper said there �aas nothing they could do to accommodate that many cars anyway. 3�ir, k3arna snoi�red ho*.a they could provide three more parking stalls and keep the £our they already nad. 'rie told Tfrs. Johnson they couldn�t tell the owners zahat to do, but they could say • there were alternatives to parking in the front. Mr. Holden made a sketch oi another parking alternative� and }�Ir. Kemper said if that were done it would be appropriate to insist that some sort of curbing be installed. ;�[r. Aolden stated that vrould definitely be apnropriate� and any- thing that would be approved by tne City Planning Deoartment Urould be satisfactory. i°Ir. Kemper asked ho�a many cars could park in that suggested area� and ;•ir. Kolden ansrrered ten cars. Chairperson Gabel said it should be taken into consideration that the code requires each building to have 7.5 parking stalls� and neither building meets that. P1r. KemDer stated i:hat the code c,as generated after tne buildings were built. Air. Hemper s'cetch�d a^ropos^d layout c_` a parking area in the back o£ the buildin�s� and said this would necessitate a pari<ing agreement r:ith both oFmers. i�irs. Johnson stated there would be a problem as tenants from the other building would park in stalls meant £or use b,y her tenants. Mr, Holden sug�ested puttin� an apartment number on the curbing for each stall. Afrs. Johnson stated that supgestion tiaould wipe out everything in the back yard� where there was grass and a garden� and they taould also have to move a shed, i4r. Barna explained they were just saying that there caas an alternative to parking in the front. Chairperson Gabel asked what the legal rami£ications would be of �rantine o�e • and not the other, and stated that she £elt the two situations Zaere really different, Mr. }Iolden said that Staf£ had discussed these variances tiaith the City Attorney� but mostly just the business of violations oS the code and not alternative decisions. Alrs. Gabel asked if this was just noticed because of the fact that the street work was done� and Ptr. Holden said that was correct. Mrs. Uabel said the records showed that the previous owner had been fined, and 43 �ii�i FRIDLEY AP1'EAIS COt1MISSION MI;ETING OF JULY 13� 1976 PAG£ 6 4� there had been complaints of trash in the ,yard and cars without license plates. � Mr. Holden noted that the building had been improved greatly since the change of ownership. MOT10N by Barna� seconded by Kemper� to close the public hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Barna said that having looked at the alternatives and the property as it stands now� and since they were speci£ically discussing at this time 3a0 57tn Place� he rrould be in favor o£ allowin� off-street parking in the boulevard in the £ront rrith requirements as set forth in the letter from Nr. Colbert, blr. Kemper asked �rhat his feelings were on 390� and Iir. Barna replied that at 39� they had the garage in the back and cars could t�e in the garage and in bac'c of the garage� and that would satisfy the re�uirements. He explained that would be•ten stalls (five in the garage and £ive outside)� and there should be no reason for tenants to park in front. He added that at 380 he could see a hardsrip and expenses involved in providing additional stalls in the back. Mr. Kemoer said he didn�t like eating up the vrhole back yard at 380 with a=nhalt as the green area �.�as more aesthetically pleasing and nice for the kids to play. Mrs. Gabel said she agreed with PSr, Kemper and would like to see the back ,yard and the trees not chopped down. She added that as long as they would imarove the £ront to make it more aesthetically pleasing than it is now, she could live with an encroachment in the front yard. She said she felt there were definite hardships at 380 that did not exist next door. Mr. Kemper said that if this was put in the form of a motion and was approved, • it appeared that the,y would be permitting the depressed curbing to stay in front of 380 and not in front of 390, He stated that in Tom Colbert�s letter he indicated it would cost approximately $1,000 to put the normal curb back up, and asked Tir. Holden how much it would cost to put it back just in front of 390. Mr. Iiolden ansxered it would cost about $300 to $1�00� and said that move might be a bit questionable. Chairperson Gabel said she could see that happening� but still thought they had to look at this as two individual items as they were two different situations. � She stated that one had a garage wich five parking stalls inside and five out with little or no need to park in front. She said that one oF the tenants had told her there was very little� i£ an,y� parking in front� and there was a maximum of only Your cars at the building now. She stated the situation was dii'f'erent at 38�• i•Sr. Holden said to grant an encroachment and off-street parking variance for 3��, �d tear up the curbing and replace it at 390 would be inconsistent. Mr. Kemper asked Mrs. Johnson if they were permitted a variance to continue the off-street parking in front� if it would be their intention to delineate that parking area with some sort of curbing. Plrs, Johnson replied yes� they could do that. Mr. Kemper stated he was sure it would be one of the conditions ii' the request were granted that the parking area be covered with a hard surface and the border defined. Mr. Holden asked hirs. Johnson if she realized cars would be getting closer to the front of the building� and she replied she did. Mr. Kemper stated that considering all practical use o2' citiy's funds, he couldn't• agree with allowing the variance at 380 �� not 390. Mrs. Uabel said she agreed it should be an all or nothing deal, but it seemed to be a paradox. She stated r� r P'xIDLEY APPF.At,S COMMISSTOm MEht'ING Or JULY 13� 1976 PAor: 7 she wished tne other petitioner was present, Mr. Ho].den said he hadn't heard • f'rom the other owners,.but at the last meeting ttiey said they might be on vaca- tion for six weeks and may not be able to attend. Mr. Barna stated that the city looked at this as one problem, and [•1r. Kemper said he agreed, hlr. Kemper added tnat if they had to make a decision, he would be in favor of' it. MOTION by Kemper� seconded b,y �sarna� to recor�mend to Council approval oY ihe requests for variances to allow ofY-street pa^king in f'ront of tn� cxistinr; 1�-Plexes at boLh 380 and j9� 57th Place tJ.E., F'ridley� with tr,e following provisions: 1. That the stioulations contained in Air. Colbert's memo of July 9� 1976� be incorporated. 2, That the parking area that would 'oe permitted under this variance be de£ined by permanent curbing acceptable to tne Staif. 3. The surface of this area be paved with covering acceptable to Sta:'S (hard surface}, !t. The oc�mers both continue to make arrangements for private snoia plowing services. 5. Council is reminded that this variance does incur an encroachmeni of . 10.5 feet of citv prooerty. Mr. Kemper stated that he felt the only aiternative to this would be distaste.:"ul construction with a lot of black top in back of tnis building, and that would be the worst of two evils. UPON A VOICE VOTE, Kemper and Barna voting aye, Gabel voting nay, the motion carried 2 - l. Chairperson Gabel said that 1,hile it isn�t practical to do so, she saia tnese as two individual items, She stated she annroved granting tne variance for 380� but not 390. She explained to Pirs, Johnson that tnis i•rould go before the City Council on July 26th. 3. RE!�UEST F'OR A VAHIA,yL'E OF SECTIOP� 205.075� 1, (E,1) P'itIDLnY CITY CODF., TO ALLOW TENANT AtvD GUEST OF'F-STREET °AHKIN(; IN THE r'RON^1 YArTD OF AN EXISTINu L-PLEX, 7Ui�ED R-3 (GF.NEHAL PIDLTIPLE FAAiILY DsIELLINGS), LOCATFD ON LOT 1, }iLOCK l� AUS ADDITION� 1'HE SM�E BEIN� 106 - 7�TH 1•7AY N.E.� H'RIDLEY� P`.INNES- OTA. (Reouest bY Paul Surkholder� 7fib0 Alden lday N,�.� Fridley� rtinnesota 5543?). Mr. Holden stated that Mr. Burkholder had called and asked that this item be postponed until the next meeting of the Appeals Corunission. �!�, REaUEST FUx A VAHIANCE OF SECTION 214.053, 2, FRIDLEY C1TY CODE� TU RAISE THE 100 S(�UAHE A'EET MAXI6fUhi SI7.E OH' A FREE STANllING SIUN IN C-2S 7.ONI�U (GENEEiNL SHOl'PING AREAS), TO 108 S�UAItE N'F.ET� TO AT.LOi•J A 12 SQUAitE F'OOT 45 FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMISSION MEnT1NU OF JULY 13, 1976 PAUE 8 46 INr'OHMATION SIGN TO BE ADDED TO AN EXISTINU 96 SQUA1tE 1�'OOT 517.E� LOCATliD ON THE SOUTH 204 FF.ST OF THE �ASTERLY 200 P'EET Or' LOT 3, 3��CK 2� EAST RANCH ESTATES SECOND ADDITLON, 'PHE SAME BEZNG 7730 1INIVEHStTY AVENUE N.E.� FHIDLEY� MINNESOTA. (Request by thP Town Crier Pancake House� 7730 University Avenue N.E., Fridley, Minnesota, 551�3?). Chairperson Gabel stated that since the petitioner was not present, they could not act on this request. MOTION by Kemper� seconded by Barna, to table this item until Lhe ner.t scheduled meeting o£ the Appeals Commission. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 5. A REQUEST F'Ott A VARIANCE OA' SECTION 205.053� �t� A� FRIDLE�7 CIT't CUUE� TO REDUCE THE RE(�UIkED r'HUN1' YAkD SETBACK FRU"I 3S FEET 7'0 2lt.6 FEnT, TO AI,iA4; � THE CONSTftUCTION OF AN 18 FT. BY 21� h'T. ATTACHEll GAHAUE TO AN EX15TIfdU NON-CUNr'OttA1ING STRUCI'URE� LO�ATED ON LOT 9, BLOCK 1� CAHLSOPdrS SLbII�IIT AfAiuOR SWTH ADDITIOiV� THE SA1�tE tSElIVU 100 PILOT AVENUE N.E.� E'R1Di.r'.Y� AiINIv'LSOi'�".. (Request by Robert C. Struif� 100 Pilot Avenue N.E.� r'ridley, Afinnesota, 5542i}, MOTIOPd by Kemper� seconded by Barna� to open the pu.blic hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, ADhfINISTRATIVE STAFF' R�'PORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVFD BY REQ,UIRII�IENT: Section 205.053� ItA, front yard . setback of 35 feet. Public purpose served by the section of the Code is to allow £or ofP- street parking without encroaching on the public right of vray, Also the aesthetic consideration of the neighborhood to reduce the "building line of sight" encroachment into the nei.ghbor's front yard, B. STATED HAHDSHIP: A six foot drop into the back yard tiaould prohibit eonstruction o£ a detached garage. Hequest variance to front ,yard setback to construct an 18'. X 21r' attached garage, C. ADTIINISTRATIVE STAFr' HEPORT: This house was Uuilt as part of a"staggered setback" arrangement around 1955� before any ordinances were in e££ect. The requested garage addition would be approximately 5 feet from the adjacent property line. Consiflering the severit,y of grade change on this lot and the staggered setbacks of houses in this area� StaF£ feels that this is a valid request. Afr. Robert Struif was at the meeting to present his request, He stated that he wanted to put a garage up� and due to the extreme drop-off v7here the house was built it would be almost impossible to put in a detached garage in back, He said� however, that his neighbor had just done that� and even though his drop wasn�t as steep as h1r. Struif's� they had gotteh stuck there once alread,y. Mr. Remper asked if he was now parking beside the house in the area he was • proposing for a garage� and Pir. Struif' replied he was, Mr, Kemper asked ii' he wns planning on building an 18� addition on the side of his house� and Mr. Struif answered that was correct. e,�r�r7 N'RIDL}?Y APPI?ALS COt�UdISSIOn MP:GTIfJG OF JllLY 13, 1976 PAGE 9 4rj Mr. Struif aaid that his nei�hbor was a bit concerned about what he was goin� � to do r!ith the snorr� but sa.id that in the pa�t it hadn't been a big prob]cm. Chai_rP�r�on (;ahA1 �tat�d that the P.pnFals Comrii^,ion could m�ke }'inal aPproval_ on this item if there were no objecti.ons from nei�hbors, a�d asked P9r. Holden if "!r, ,",truiF� _ nri �hhor }�zr? h� en no �`'ir�?. Mr. 1?�l�len renlied hA had. Cha:irPerson G�bel said it shou7d be noted on the record that there are four houses on 44r. Struif's block that met the code� and four houses that vrere not set a1] the o-�a,y back. Sh� noted that the neighbor next to him had a 29.7' setback, ?:rs, Gabel commented that a �.ix foot d^op would renuire a lot of fi17, A4r. Struif stated he had four contractors look at i.t� and one said there tiras no problem at all, but he felt ne cJas saying that just to get a job, iie said another contractor said he wouldn't build it out in ba.ek, and b:ro said t^.e;/ would. Airs. Gab�l asked if the}� would lose botn iaindo�is on the side of tneir hpuse� and hlr. Struif said t�ey ��ould lose the living room windot; and the attic t•rindo�.t would be made s:�aller. He, adu'ed that the attached garage could be set back to save the tiaincio�s, but it ��ould cost an additional $�00. ?-ir. Kemner :�rondered if it was *.ai=e not to spend the $800 as he ielt t'ney o�ould be losing something by not setting it b2ck. t4r. Barna asked if they had gotten a cost estimate on a flat roof on the garage� and P�1r. Struif renlied they hadn't as he heard there was a problem with snow removal and his wife didn't like the looks of it, Mr. K�noer made a sketch o£ the original plan the Struifs kanted to follow (ha�in� the garage set back} and the one they :aere planning nov; (even o7ith • the house)� and asked if that t��as really what they vranted to do. i-ir. Struif replied tnat tne cost was starting to ri.se, and that was a major consideration. Mr. Holden comr,iented that the drop off from the back of the house to the back lot line was about 10�� and i•Ir. Barna said that there was no c•;ay he could put a garage in the back and get out in the :ainter time. hirs. St:vif commented that they also didn't arant that long driveway to shovel. Mr, Kemper stated that with an attached garage, he believed the hardship in this ca^,e saas the $800. 1•1r. Holden said if it was built :ai.tn the setback a variance wouldn't be needed, t�;r. Kemper said his only concern �.aas that t3r. Struif might be a little short-sirhted on resale value o£ the home as he would be rreating a longer box, hfrs. Uabel said the vari.ance could be granted as it is� and Air. Struif could go less� but not more. Mr. Kemper told iIr. Struif that i£ this was granted, he would hope Mr. Struif would talk to enough contractors and convince himself he would really be saving the amount of mone,y he thought he was going to save by going tnis way. He said the only dif£erence would be the amount of blocks that would be stacked up. MO'1'10N b,y Barna� seconded by Kemper� to close the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all votin� aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Barna� seconded b,y Kemper, to grant the request for variance. Upon . a voice vote� all voting aye, t}ie motion carried unanimously. �,,,.R ., ��j�'HIDL�Y APYEAIS COMMISSION MEETING OF JULY 13� 19%6 L`t ADJOURIV".'�fl1' : PAGE 10 MOTION b,y tiarna� seconded by Kemper� to adjourn the Appeals Commissi.on meetin� � of July 13� 1976 at 9:16 P.M. Upon a voice vote, all voting a,ye, the motion carried. Mr. Barna brought the Commission up to date on the progress of the Youth Center� and of£ered his assistance and support. Chairperson Gabal said it snould be noted that Mr. Barna has offered his expertise and assistance in nelping the Youth Center� and suggested he talk with Mr. Storla and some of the City Council people. She asked where the Center would be located� and Mr. Harna told her it would be in tne pump house by the ice arena. He stated that o:hi2e it was not a large area, it uras immediately available space and wou].d not cause any conY'licts with the existing uses of the Cit}� Hall. Mr. Kemner stated that there was one item he would like to hring up� and asked what sort o£ follow-up system the city had to make sure stipulations on variances were adhered to. He stated that the Appeals Commission routinely aoproves requests for variances with stipulations atLached to ther:� and never hea�s of them again unless an effort is specifically made to find out hoti�r a particular project went and if it conformed to stipulations. Mr. Holden stated that they were handled routinely through the normal enforcement of the codes. Mr. Kemper said the reason he asked was because of the g_^eenhouse� which turned out to be a commercial venture� and was wondering if there �rere adeauate safeguards to ensure the stipulations were adhered to. P9r. Holden said that he felt there were adequate safeguards� but he understood Mr. Y,emper's feeling that something might be overlooked. He stated that routinel as with the variance that uras approved at this meeting, the stipulations W011l(i be part of the provisions on the bui7.ding permiL. Chairperson Gabel asked if there was some taay the members oY the Appeals Commission could routinely get a memo as to what the Council does on tne things that this Commission sends to them. Mr, Holden said they could ask £or a summary oi' the discussions tnat apply to the ttoa•rd of Appeals along with the Council's decisions. Mrs, Uabel asked i£ he could see that was done� and AIr. Holden replied 'he woula. She suggested that tnis be put in the forrn oY' a motion, but added that the meeting would have to be reopened again. MOTIOiv by Barna, seconded by Kemper, to reopen the Appeals Commission :neetinU of July 13� 1Slb at 9:30 P.hf. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MO'1'lON by Kemper, seconded by 13arna� that Staf£ be directed to provide copies of those portions of the City Council meeting minutes that apply to the �3oard of Appeals! decisions, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. PIr. Remper asked if all tne material the members of the Appeals Commission received, including agendas� staSf reports� Council meeting minutes� etc., coUld be put into'one large mailing once every two weeks, rir. Barna said he agreed, � u �� FRIDLEY APPFALS COMh17SSI0N MEF.1'INU OF JULY 13� 197b PAUF. 11 and said it would be adequate to receive them the weekend before each meeting. � Mr. Holden said they could try that. MOTION by }iarna� seconded by Kemper� to adjourn the Appeals Commission meeting of July 13� 1976 at 9:35 P.M. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carr:ed unanimously. Respectfully submitted, ��. �9' ��0� Sherri 0'Donnell Recording,Secretary • � U � � �� 5Q COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING JULY 13, 1976 � �ERS PRESENT: Herman Bergman, LeRoy Oquist, Aubert Lindblad, Dennis Schneider MII�IBERS ABSENT: William Forster OTHERS PRESENT: Jerry Boardman, City Planner � Richard Sobiech, Public Works Director Vern Moen, Chairperson of Bikeway/Walkway Project Comnittee Chairperson Bergman called the meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. APPROVAL OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF JUNE 8, 1976: MOTION hy Dennis Schneider, seconded by LeRoy Oquist, to approve the minutes of the June 8, 1976, Cou¢nunity Development Cov�ission meeting as written. Upon a � voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE SIGN ORDINANCE PRQ7ECT COMMITTEE MINUTES: JUNE 21, 1976: Mr. Schneider stated that on Page 1, Item 3, it should read "Other committees affected would be the Appeals Board and the Fridley Environmental Commission." MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by Hubert Lindblad, that the Community Development Commission receive the minutes of the Sign Ordinance Project Committee as corrected. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. DISCUSSION ON THE ENFORCEMENT OF ORDINANCES Mr. Sobiech attended the meeting at the request of the Community Development Commission to discuss the enforcement of ordinances and the Commission members were to bring a list of any specific problems of which they were aware. Mr. Sobiech stated that generally there are city codes and they are not specifically assigned to a specific area, In other words, the Fire Department has certain areas they would enforce, the Police Department has certain areas they enforce, the Building Code Division and the City Code Division also. To help all to be aware of each other's various problems and what types of activities they are involved in, City Ha11 has made a list of the various problems that can be visually seen or become aware of by driving throughout the city•. ".t the City Staff level we are becoming aware that there are cerCain areas in which more work needs to be done; • _!"1!'Y �� COMMITNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING JULY 13 1976 Pa e 2 and in order to help the situation, they are relying on each other. Hopefully, � we will get to the point where there will be a working relationship in [he code enforcement in the various areasthat,i.he City Staff are involved in. Mr. Sobiech states that there there are three various steps. First, they receive a complaint and the second step is to cruise the area to visually see the problem; and thirdly, the systematic approach. (Currently, there is a City Beautification Program whre they are in the process of contacting every commercial and industrial property owner in the City to try to make sure they are in code compliance, suggest improvements, to hopefully uggrade the property to the point where it is aesthetically pleasing and atrractive to residents, passersby, etc.). That is the systematic approach. Another type of systematic approach is that they are currently going through the entire City to come up with a list of where they feel there are sign violations. Another was an intersection survey. Mr. Sobiech stated that there is a procedure they follow when there is a violation of city code. First, they verbally notify the party of their violation, they are given approximately 10 days to comply. If, after this time period, the party has not complied, then the City notifies them that they must comply or be cited for violation. If they are cited for violation, they either pay the fine or plead not guilty . And, sometimes, it becomes a court case. He said they do try to cooperate with the people and let them clean up their property rather than trying to enforce right away. . Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Sobiech how long the whole process could feasibly take if a • person is cited for a violation. Mr. Sobiech answered that it could take 3-4 moaths from the initial verbal eontact with the cleaning up to an issuance of a fine or jail sentence, including court action. Some of the coumissioners mentioned some obvious problems in the city that were in violation of city code, Mr: Sobiech stated that the next step to these violations has to be a citizen complaint or that the City notices it themselves. Mr. Sobiech stated that they are in the process of getting together a housing maintenance code, which will affect exterior upkeep on both residential and commercial property. They are going to develop a better systematic program where they will be ghrough the neighborhoods specifially looking for these problems. Mr. Bergman stated [hat he felt the citizen should not have to be the one to have to complain when it is an obvious and gross violation, The City should be aware of it, Mr. Sobiech agreed and that is why they are implementing•this new program. u �� COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMPSISSION MEETING, JULY 13, 1976 Page 3 •N1r. Sobiech told the Co�ission members that if they had any specific questions to fesl free to call him. Mr. Bergman thanked Mr. Sobiech for attending the meeting and for his thorough report on the enforcement of ordinances. ZONING CODE REVIEW 023 GARAGES The Coumiission again tabled action on this item until the next meeting when City administration will provide the Commission with a sampling of other R-1 garage - ordinances of comparable suburbs. REVIEW OF BIKEWAY/WALKWAY PRQTECT COMI•fITTEE SCOPE Mr. Bergman stated thaet Mr. Vern Moen was requested to be at this meeting because the Bikeway/Walkway Project Conm�ittee, in its present scope,.has become a part of the Community Development Commission. He asked Mr. Moen to briefly give the C�ission the status of this project committee. Mr. Moen stated that the project conmiittee was active for almost a year, but has now been inactive for approximately nine months, because the couunittee finished the bikeway plan which was their primary purpose. He explained that the area of Fridley was divided into nine different neighborhood groups--with one member from each neighborhood represented in the c�ittee. The development part was divided �nto five phases. Phase 1 is being implemented this year and they hope to be able to.finish Phase 1 by the end of this year. Phase 2 is a more substantial part of it and will help tie the whole neighborhood of Fridley together by a loose system of bikeways, They feel that by getting the kids and adults out of cars and on bikes, it will reduce the car traffic substantially. By increasing bike traffic, it is up to the co�ittee to make sure they can mote safely hicycle than they can now. Mr. Moen stated that they feel an education program as far as law enforcement is going to be necessary. This would have to be an ongoing program over a long period of time. They hope to enlist the help of the schools, young people's groups, and church organizations to get the message across. The Police Department, of course, will play an important role in trying to improve their posture add their attitude to the cyclist. A lot of kids feel that a traffic officer has no juris- diction over a cyclist. Mr. Moen stated that they have found that the City of Fridley is cut in pieces by major traffic ways (railroad, Highway 65, University Avenue, East River Road, and east and west and north and south major streets). Trying to make it possible for bicycie riders to get from different parts of the city will require a great deal of work. Mr. Moen stated that the neighboring municipalities have bikeway systems in various stages of development also, and they hope to tie in with them so there is conCinuity fram one village to another. • s3 COt�AfUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMh1ZSSI0N MEETING, JULY 13, 1976 Page 4 Mr, Moen stated thae he feels this is a v.ery worthwhile:project committee and will . continue over a period of years. When the Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee is reactivated, they would appreciate any pubZicity they can get in making the public aware and getting public support for their organizational program. Mr. Boardman introduced the sheet entitled; "Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee of the Community Development Commission." He said this is the basic form he is using for all project canmittees. These are basically the things to carry through with when establishing project co�ittees. He hoped that the Commission would receive and approve this description. Mr. Boardman explained to the Commission that the Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee members are the public ears of the coamiunity. They will primarily be monitoring the,system and recommending any changes they feel are necessary. These recommenda- tions will come directly to the Commuity Development Commission, who would then pass them on to the City Council through the Planning Commission. Most of the complaints will probably come directly to the City, but these will be directed to the project coamiittee and then to the Commission. Mr. Oquist felt that some type of conmunication to the people was the first important thing the project covm�ittee should look at when they are reactivated, He felt too many people do not know what the bikeway/walkway system is and what it is trying to accomplish. With regard to the Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee meetings, Mr. Bergman suggested• that whenever City Staff felt there was reason for the project cou�ittee to have a meeting, it be presented to the Community Development Commission at a regular meeting in which Mr. Moen has been requested to attend. This would ensure that the Commission and the project committee would know what was going on and the Commission could provide input if needed. He added that the project committee is also free to meet on their own at any time, but he would appreciate Mr. Moen's attendance occasionally at Co�ission meetings to report on its piogress. This was agreeable to Mr. Moen and Mr. Boardman. Mr. Boardman stated that advertising would be done and the Commission would help, if possible, to fi11 out the membership of the Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee so that an organizational meeting can be held. Mr. Bergman asked that the sheet entitled "Bikeway/Walkway Project Co�ittee of the Community Development Commission" be changed to read "Project Committee Descrip- tion of the Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee of the Community Development Commission." MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by LeRoy Oquist, that the Commission accept and approve the "Project Committee Description of the Bikeway/Walkway Project Committee of the -0ommunity Development Commission." Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman thanked Mr. Moen for attending the meeting. �. f �� r ,e.-., COhBiUNITY DEVELOPMENT CIX�PIISSION MEETING JULY 13 1976 Page 5 � REPORT ON TEEN CENTER PROPOSAL Mr. Bergman stated that the City Council approved the Teen Center proposal with some changes. This Commission at the last meeting came up with a motion of some depth--concurring with the Human Resources Cou�ission and then adding on some additional stipulations. This motion was met with unanimous approval by the Planning Commission and, when voted upon, was met with a 4-1 vote, Parks and Recreation Commission voting nay. He said this was very rewarding to see what the Community Development Commission had done with this subject. ADJOURNMENT : MOTIOTI 6y Dennis Schneider, seconded by Hubert Lindblad, that the meeting be adjourned at 10:25 p.�. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, �� Ly e Saba Recording Secretary � L S�± � �� °�il . OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIf HEARING BEFORE T1� PLANNING CO.MMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing o£ the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, June 9, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: Consideration of a Preliminary Plat, P.S.�#76-05, Innsbruck North Replat 3rd Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, being a replat of that part of Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition, described as follows: � Lots 1 to 4 inclvsive, Block ?li Lots 1 to 4 incl��siv?, Block 22t Lo's 1 to 4 3nc�uaioe. Blor_k ;3� Lots 1 20 4 iriclu�ive, ,Ix�. 24t Lots 1 to �l inclusl.ve, 91ock 25t Lots 1 to 4 inclusive, Hlock 2bt � alsn that p3rt of Lot 1, �loc1: ^9 desc^iJed as follo•xs� 3e.ginnin8 at §he r,orthv�-as± or�er o?' 31ock 21� Lhence :dorth o de:�raes y0 ni.^�a�t.:s ' N� -econ��:-;�:ia:;t a diatance of 16 feeti . thence Horth 3G 3e;rrees V? __.._ . 1'' ._eccnds ..st � distancr, of 3? feett th�^.nqe So°lth 9 de�ru��s�5� ❑�h��`-��_ �+� secorn.s sast � disCSnce of 16 fe�t Co.Che nor:hess<� car^er o: seiid 31ock 21� thence to the point of be;innin;t also that »art of Lot 1, _tlac= 2S dec<crit:ed as £ollows� Beginnin> at the north�Nest co��ner o' sa;d Jluck 22t thence ?!orth 2 de_�:rc,�c 34 �:i:nt:t:.:; ':Ce�+. a d:eitcir:ce o° 10 fceti thence Gorth Ay c'e�rccs 21 ::iinutc: �=.st a'i�,:ance of 3j feett thence 3outh 2 der;ra.�a ;9 c�i:iut: � i'�_,t a�? ..�r.cice o£ 10 feet to the northaa5t cor��r of sai3 ;ioc:; 22; ;I�c.�ce to the point of ;�;;��inningt al^o tha± r_?r' oP Lo! 1, ,ler,:- '� d„cribed ns follows� Ccrinnin,g� n- ?he :;cuthea,t ce;�nar oi :��id °locr 2:; thence Soutii 2 CjP?T'BCS +=) �t'.7;L't^5 .. :'* Cl �1.?]^..tt.^.^ 01 �) I@@t� thC'nC0 SGtlth 8� de�ree.^.�21 :ainuces �'cst -_3 cis±at:ce oi 33 feett thence North 2 dc.;i•e?, j? r�inut^s '+iest a. _., zuce o= 5 faet to t�r southwest corncr of �aic :+l:;ck ?�� Cfi�-nc:.� to Che noint of Leuinningi al�o that �^rt o: Lnt 1, �lc��-: 2A dae,�:ri.Ued as .`ollo«ss ])eginninF; e,r, ti;c, ; oathe^st ccr^.er of' :,�i.:: ialor.k 23i thence South � de�rees OC minu?es �+1 socor:c;: Sa.^.t. a uistance o£ 16 feett Lhence South 92 da:>ree� :9 nin•a�e:; i? seco��ds ";:est ¢ dist:ance of j3 fcatl tl:^nca iiort?t 7 de; raes 00 r.�in:i'�� +sl' :>zconcts lYe3t ., dietance of 16 fe�`, to the souiirv:^st COt}��I' 0=� ::R'.,: BICCL 2�i thcnc:': to the point of begir.ninp,� also that i�.�rt o2' Lo: 1, nlr.ck 2R de;;r,ribed as followc� 'iec;innin� at [!�o norl.h�vicet corner of s�-�id ?>lock ^4� thence North a distflnce o- 15 feett thence r:ast �i d'.:stance oi 73 feeti thenc� . South a distance o1' 1<i ;eet to tho nortii�ausL conie: oi :;aid "Jiuc> 2�Y� thence to th� point of be;;lnnin,>r �� Page "L nlco that n�irt nf i�nt 1, i;loc< 7.g Ao^crib^d ars fotlowsi ��i:inninfc nt ±h�r :<ou1:h�+aaC cornr.r or' ani.d 3Lr,ck 25� thence South � lj derrer.:; 3'1 r�.:inu.',es �t r.ecr,�,t^�:: a di:�`^nr,e of ln feet� thenc� ::orth 7(� �ir��.r�-�r.3 .^.fi ni.nute; lp seco��c! ��ic:t a dLstance of 33 feet� C:^.ence North il de�rer.s �; r.!inUtes kl ser.onCs ca�:i a distance of' 16 1'eet to thn soath�vhnt corn^r of .^,aid 111ock 25t thrnce to the point o£ be�lnni.nr;{ also that part of I.ot 1, Rlcck 2A Ce3cribed as follows� 3eginning at tne southeast coc-i�r oi eaid 91ock 25� thence South 11 degmes 111 min�ates 11 err.onAs�'dest a distnnce ef IG feet� thence Ncrth y'J deP,z'eu� 1-'� �ainutes 4) e�econAS we^t a distance of 33 fee`. :`enre ;lorth 11 dca,-r�:e� '+L mi�ute3 11 seco�de �.�C a dictance of 15 feet to t:he �outhwe:�t corne: of �aid Block 26� thence to the point oT be�S.nningi � all lying ir, the South Half of Section 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. . •PUblish: May 26, 1976 June 2, 1976 • RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN pL11NIVING COMMISSION �6 J% CI'PY OP FRIDLf:Y MINNf:SOTA `'�l( PLANNTNG ANI) ZOyTNC POlthf NUMRER /• J � �l - cS TYPL' OF RGQUL'S'C , APPI.ICAN'f'S 57GNA'PURE /,irr�% r%, :�,,,- / .' • °",- '. , '.r`' Rezoning ' Special Use Permit Address ' - � i,�,, �i' , ,. . ;, , : � � ., Telephone Numhcr - PROPLRTY OWNBR'S SIGNA'1'URL Address Telephone NumUer_ 5treet Locati.on of Property f Legal Description of Property _ '%% Present Zoning Classification r Acreage of Preperty !� Approval of Premin- inary �, Pinal Plat Streets or Alley Vacati.ons Othcr �� ✓ s= Fee �� (J Reccipt No.S� � � Existing Use of Property DescriUe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed - „o. �. � �' - . , r . / .r . . • Has tlie present applicant previously sought to rczone, plat, oUtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.of it? -' yes no. i4hat ieas requested and when? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached t.o this applicati.on. (b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given iahy this is not. the c�se, (c) Responsibility for any dcfect in tl�e proceedinas resulting from the failure to list thc names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must Ue drawn and attached, slioiaing the iollowing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the let. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Nmnes. 5. Location and usc of adjacent existing Uuildings (i��ithin 300 feet). 7'hc undersigncd hereby declares that all thc facts and representations stated in ±his application are true and correct. DATL ;.. i � , SIGNATURf:,\� "' � � ' ' � � r(APPLICAN'P) . Date Fil d Date of Hcaring Flanning Commission Approved (clates) Denied 9 City Council Approved (dates) Dciiicd ' �..,q -s � � L_� � MI�ILING LIST %� 5' 8? #76-OS Darrel E'arr Development Corp Replat Blocks 21-26 to I,ots 1-6 to allow 2- 2 car garages and 2 single car garages in each block Ms. Pamela J. Braun 5562 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Donald J. Kunshiex 5558 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Daniel Shaw 5554 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. James Hanson 5550 tdeister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Marqaret Schweizer 5546 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Karl Klopfer 5542 :feister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Stephen Tollison 5538 Meistex Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Paul Leibman 5534 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Alice Shaughnessy 5530 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Susan Sisson 5526 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Ibnald Olmstead 5522 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Harry Zook 5518 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn, 55432 Mr. Kent Koch 5519 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55932 vv Planning Commission �� .1 5 � 7� Mr. Robert Cargill 5510 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 � Mz. Richard Nafstad 5575 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Terry Wiley 5571 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Mary Blisha 5565 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. James King 5561 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Ibuglas Van Arkel 5563 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Ronald Ferkingstad 5567 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Thomas Hummel 5545 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. William Goon 5541 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Ann Neher 5543 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 MI. Jr.lIf125 PrieS 5547 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Murray Heatley 5533 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Wayne Bothun 5535 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Lynn Castner & Ms. Deonne Parker 5537 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Charles Franke 5529 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Steven Kessel 5525 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Shirley Dickey 5531 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. John Becker 5521 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Edward Englund 5517 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Gary Odegaard 5519 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Linda Borry 5523 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Leonard Rutter 5540 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. David Johnson 5544 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Lorin Woods 5542 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Richard Sharpe 5578 E. 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I ��.;::�_ ci. .I .; . _ __� i - '; t`''a1 '''�`i - -� ��.� I ,� �� :.= �( �_j r �_ _ i 1-t . --- -- --- _ � i-_--- � -- - _ �_ L� � �� 61 OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEfORE THE PLANNING COIdMISSION 70 WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Idednesday, July 28, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. ,#76-06, Real Estate 10 Second Addition, by Bratt-Palen Builders, a replat of all that part of Lot 4, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, described as beginning at the Northeast corner of said Lot 4, thence l,lest along the North line of said Lot 4 a distance of 1593.95 feet to the actual point of beginning of the land to be hereinafter described; thence South 1°05'19" East 87.9 feet, thence West 212 feet along the South line of said Lot 4 to the Northeasterly right-of-way line of the outer drive of State Trunk Hiyhti•tay No. 100; thence Northwesterly along the Northeasterly right of way line of said outer drive to a point on the North line of said Lot 4 distant 1857.9D feet West from the Northeast corner of said Lot 4, thence South 89°59'58" East along said North line to the actual point of beginning, 7ying in the South Half of Section 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota The purpose of the replat is to clarify the legal description of a building site generally located at 941 Hillwind Road N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Publish: July 14, 1976 July 21, 1976 RICNARD H CNAIRMAN PLANNING HARRIS COMMISSION � MAILING LIST � P.S. #76-06, Real Estate 10 5econd Addition Replat of Part of Lot 4, A.S. �25 Jerome Manley 660 Marigold Terrace N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Wheelock Enterprises, Inc. 5650 Polk Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 A. T. Gearman 7340 North 101 Street White Bear Lake, Minnesota 55110 Real Estate 10, Inc. 7362 University Avenue N.E, Minneapolis, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Raymond Sullivan 5525 Central Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Pure Oil Company 40-236 � 200 East Golf Road Palatine, I11 60067 Union Oil Company 5695 Hackmann Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Glenn Magers 5701 Highway 1{65 N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Louis Hedlund 5320 Russell Avenue North Minneapoli>, Mn 55430 Lynde Im estment Co. 9801 Dak Ridge Tra31 Nopkins, Mn 553A3 � PLANNING COMMISSION 7-13-76 COUNCI.L �;� CI"CY OP FKIpIJiY MINNCS09'A .� f PLANNIhG AND ZONING OI�1� � NUDil3ER ,Pt�� %��D4 � ��'�i� � � APPLICANT'S SIGNA1'UREJ2�� _ ; , ,/% q�-n/ Address �'�-�,�(�1k �� t�- '/'/�.'/)rJ' P �� x i�i 5 S Tele hone Number � PROFERTY OIYNGR'S SIG�A'I'URE Address �5d � 63 gk� r.p�g�: or• RBQUGST Rczoni.ng ,�� Special Use Permit 3 � Approval of Prcmin- inary f, Pinal Plat Strects or Alley Vacations -�, _.-� . Telcphone �ur.iUer �� -�-• ,/� � F e Street Location of Property �'�j �iy� -(� � ��1,�'T of .car �/ I.egal Description of Property� � �f��'C E c- //30 Other Receipt No. �� %t <1uv. rc�s s�if3 � 5£E �/�i{�U o� d, �aS Su.��E � —� Present Zoning Classification �- 3 Existing Use of Vroperty �{-�j�� Acreage of Property , yg Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed S�,� �,� �l-l�a� .' (�.�� Has the present applicant previously souglit to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or vari.ance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes�no. lYhat was requested and �chen? .� The imdersigned imderstands that: (a) a list of all residents and oianers of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezonin�;) must be attached to this applicati.on. (b) This applicati.on must be signed Uy all oianers of the property, or an explanation given ialiy this is noL the case. (c) Responsihility for any defect in the proceedin�s resulting from the failure to list the n�r�es and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. ' A sketcli of proposed property and structure must be dT81JI1 and attached, showing the following: 1. Nort11 Direction. 2. Location of.proposed structure on tlte lot. 3. Dimensions of proPerty, proposed structure, and front and side setUacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent eaisting buildings (�aitliin 's00 feet). 7'he widersigned hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this �tpplication arc truc anJ correct. pq•p� � � / r7C SIGNAI'URC � � �.�� ' � ��' (APP 1CAN7') Date Filed Date of Hcaring Planning Commission Approvcd Cit}• Council Approvcd (dates) Denicd (datesj Denicd_ Y (('��UBURSAN �:l }��I ��•x� � j��HO1N6ERIH0 ... . � _ .. i �� ___":_. ir�c r..._ _ _._ . . . . _ , F. � - __... .,_ e ih � • . ��r ��.�i4.V�. i�. .�...dh < L...�� e�l.:nd{:;�.�� l�l _ . . . ',``t �� f .. ��r.�:.=. s`.131 S �1 I � .� .: " . . Certificate of Survey for ��t-'��' �—'��=%� t' . � _ . .�,tt t;:1.iJ .»� `11t•,' � .,. � , :!"i '!i' _Jlq,.r 1, r � . � � � �7 / :� +'r � t r�, �� L v /� 3'� . � �— `�� ,.+ � =f�� ` J i` ,` � ". /� � � � t� _ `\ si , � ! ' j. :.:� �I % i� I �-, �� ( _ �'•,J ... ... �_.� �` m �. . :, , ._ . �LV. J. 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'n A71 that part of Lot 4, Audiior's S�bdivision i'�o, 25, S�ction 24, Tor,nship 30, Range 24, Anoka County, ;tinnesota, described as beginning at the iJortheast corner of said Lot 4, thence Idest alcng tne I�orth lire of said lot 4 a disten�e of 1593.96 feet to tiie actual po�nt of �eginniny of the land tc be hereinafier descrioed; thence South 1°u5'19" Eas� 37.9 feet, tiience Nest 212 feet along the Souin line of said Lot 4 to the ��ortiieasterly right-of-rray line of tiie outer , Jrive of State Tr-unk tiigh�•ray I�o, ]00; thence i{orth�testerly alung tiie ilorth- eastzrly rignt-of-rlay line of said outer drive to a point on tne North l ine of said Lot 4 d�stant 10;,7.�0 feet l�est from the �lortheast corner of said Lot 4, the�ce South 89°59`53" East along said ilorth line to the actual po5nt of beginn�ng. � 1;�; - --- � �. :'�..�int:•,,.� r� �` r ,: r. r { .. .• v.��. : :•�:c •��' � �. i� 7 : r.�ap ..I :�::, , .i.�:.:i✓ a.t .. �f'.. � °YN � .�. �f ..�... �e.. �i-. 1 hereby cer�i/y that th�i ia a V�e ood <orreit �opro�ento�ion o/ a sv�vey o( �Ae 6oundur:ce of t6e obove deuribed lund, onA o( �he lo<u1�on o{ �JI 6�ildinAs� �heraon� anA all .�s�Ale mtroachmcnis� �f nny, I�am o.�on �aid lund. 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ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris� Bergman� Bruce Peterson {attending for Langenfeld), Schnabel, Lambert (attending for Shea) Members Absent: Others Present: Robert Peterson Jerrold Boardman� City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COI4IISSION MINUTES: JUyY 11�, 1976 MOTIOIv by Schnabel, seconded by Lambert, that the Planning Commission minutes of July 1�, 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION MINUTES: JULY 6, 1976 Mrs. Schnabel said she wasn�t able to £ind the total dollar amount in the minutes, and asked if that was because they were tentative figures or if it was omitted. She stated she was just curious as to what dollar amount they were ta7.king about for the total budget. Mr. Boardman stated that this was the total capital outlay budget, so iF all the items were added together it would be the total of capital outlay. Chairperson Harris directed Mr. Boardman to look on page 29 under Administration and General Use (Program 23']), and asked xhy there were so many zeros in that column. He wondered why those particular items were listed i£ there was no budget for them. Mr, Boardman suggested that perhaps they were listen initially and have been deleted. Mrs. Schnabel said it appeared that items 11 through 15 in that same column took care of some of the items starting from 5 on. Mr. Boardman said in other words� they were asking originally for a tractor with a rotary mower� but instead dropped thatr�equest and went with three hand mowers. Mr. fiarris asked what type of hand fertilizer spreader cost $1$0� and Mr. Boardman said it might be a large one, hut he didn�t ]mow. He added that if Mr. Peterson or Mr. Dave Harris had been at this meeting, they could have gotten some answers. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes o£ the Special Ateeting o£ the Parks and Recreaiion Commission meeting of July 6� 1976� and hold them for questions until the next regular meeting o£ the Planning Commission to get interpretations on some of the items. Upon a voice vote, all voiing aye, the motion carried unanimously. Planning Commission Meeting - July 28, 1976 Page 2 � � RECEIVE SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION MINUTFS: JULY 11t, 1976 MOTI�N by Bergman, seconded by Lambert, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Special Meeting of the Parks and Reereation Commission meeting of July 1l�, 1976, and hold them for questions until the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission to get interpretations, ,Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris called the Commission�s attention to page 38 and the list of project committee members that were present at the special Parks and Recreation meeting. Mr. Boardman exp2ained that the meeting was just for the chairpersons� and all oP the neighborhoods except one were represented at that meeting. He stated the chairperson for neighborhood 10 wasn�t in attendance because she was sick. Mrs. Schnabel asked if she could receive a map o£ the various districts, and Mr. Boardman passed out maps to both Mrs. Schnabel and Mrs. Lambert. Mr. Boardman said he wanted to add that last Monday night there was a meeting of Parks and Recreation and the organization for the overall Recreation Cotmnittee was set up. RECENE APPEALS COMMISSION PiINUTES: JULY 13, 1976 MOTION`by Schnabel� seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes o£ the Appeals Commission meeting of July 13, 1976. Upon a aoice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Harris said that it again appeared that the Appeals Commission had been working very diligently and hard� and they were to be commended Sor their good work. RECEIVE COMMt1NITY DEVEIAPMF�NT MINUTES: JULY 13, 1976 MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Schnabe2, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Community pevelopment meeti.ng of July 13, 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman said that regarding the Sign Ordinance Cormnittee, there have been two meetings oF the project committee. Ae stated the second meeting was held July 26th� and he was not in attendance. .He said he did attend the first meeting and reported on that one previously. Mr. Bergman explained the subcommittee met on the fourth Monday of each month, and he thought it got fairly well organ- ized at the first meeting. He commented that he thought the committee members would find it was a much more complicated and diverse challenge than it appeared on the surface, Mr. Bergman said that three representatives from sign pompanies vere invited to the second meeting� and added that Dennis Schneider was spending quite a bit of his personal time. He stated that it would take awhile to wade through a lot•of detail and arrive at some breakdown and enumeration of what kinds of things they were really concerned about. He said that there was not yet a completion date� but they were moving forwarfl. v � fi.anning Commission Meeting - July 28, 1976 Page 3 Mr, Bergman continued that they had a second project committee--the Bikeway/ Walkw.ay Project Committee� which xas a continuating project committee. He stated that at their last meeting Mr. Vern Moen, the on-going chairperson of Bikeway/Walkway, was in attendance. Mr. Bergman said they discussed the status and expectations of the committee with him, and approved a proposed project committee delineation scope with current view. He stated that the project committee had been dormant £or some time� but Mr. Moen was planning to call a meeting sometime within the next month to month and a half to review where things are and identif� things that ought to be attended to or £urther reviewed. Mr. Bergman said that at this point he would like to r.aise a problem they were having in the Sign Committee getting minutes recorded, typed and distributed. He said that as an example o£ that� he had requested at the last Community Development meeting that minutes of the Sign Committee be attached to the Comununity Development minutes and carried forth as part of those r�inutes, but that hadn't been done. He said they also have the typed project committee description for Bikeway/Walkway. NIr. Bergman said he would like to ask what was normally done with regard to 1) How do other projects solve the secretarial problem without Staff assistance, and 2) How do those minutes get carried iorth� or don't they? He further stated that at the last CDC meeting they were handed roughly-typed copy of the Si� Committee meeting minutes, and did receive them at Community Development level. Ae said that unless something else happened� that was the end of the travel oY those minutes. Chaixperson Harris said he thought that was probably all tt:at was necessary for those mi.nutes until Cormrtunity ➢evelopment took some type of action or made a recommendation. Mr. Harris told Mr. Ber�nan that if he wished io include those minutes with the recommendation or action from that com�nittee to the Planning Commission, it could be done that way. He then asked Mrs. I.ambert how it was handled in Human Relations, rirs. Lambert replied that as far as she lmew� the Fi.ne Arts.Committee was the only active subcommittee in Human Relations at this time� and she happened to be the secretary of that. Chai.rperson Harris sai.d there was a problem with that i.n the ordinance. Pir. $ergman stated they were working on the prohlem, but he didn't know how sucessful they would be. Mr, Bergman said that as input from the BikeFr�y/Wallcway Project Coimnittee and from administration� they received and approved a project committee description for the Bikeway/Walkway Subcommittee. He said that this should be then processed in the minutes o£ the Planning Commission as Comrtnmity Development had taken action on this. Mr. Harris said that should then appear in the minutes from Co�nunity Development. 1. TABLID: PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A 1N1YJUttUI.A 1vVnin ncri,ni ♦riuw s+,,,.��+.,,,� � .,.......,.. .-. .-..._• �._.•-------- eing a rep a o Lo s o �.nc usive� B ocks 21 through � an so part of Lot 1� Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition� to allow changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Public heaxing open. �� i Planning Commission Meeting - July 28, 1976 Page � � :, Mr. Boardman explained to the Cormnission that he had talked rorith Jim London� and Mr, London asked again that this remain tabled because Darrel Farr has heen gone and they haven�t been able to sit down with the Townhouse Associstion yet. Mr. Boardman brought to the 'Commission's attention a letter to the Chairman of the Planning Commission from Mr. Jerry W. Anderson� Chairman of the Architectural Control Committee� dated July 20� 1976 which said that in lieu of a request for withdrawal they would like this letter part of the record of the Planning Commission. MOTIOh by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive the communication from Mr. Anderson to the Chairman of the Planning Comrrcission dated July 20, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Lambert, that the Planning Commission table the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-0$, Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corpora- tion� frith the Public Hearing open, until the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � 2. L'Jl'A'1'L'� 1V JG(:UPlL ALUl'1�1U1'J iSZ ISIf1l�1'1'—YXLL'sY .t5U11.Lr.ICS t36131g a replati OS Lot � Auditor's Subdivision No. 2� to clarify the legal description of a building site generally located at 91+1 Hillwind Road N.E. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P,S. #76-06, Real Estate 1� Second Addition� by Bratt-Palen 5uilders. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:05 P.M. Mr. Francis Girdler� representing Real Estate 10, and Messrs Don Bratt and Elmer Palen� Builders, were present. Mr. Boardman said that first of all, he wanted to correct the map on page 65, and e�cplained the dash line should be moved to the property to the South of that (parcel 1130). He stated that this was a petition by the owner of the property to approve a preliminary plat on the property. He explai.ned the reason for the preliminary plat was because the legal description on the property as is was very, very lengbhy and the owner would like it simplified. Mr. Boardman said the property to the South of this had been platted in a similar situation to this, the proper.ty to the East was platted in an apartment ownership, and the property to the North does have an existing buiZding on it. Chairperson Harris asked if they were planning on building a future building on this, and Mr. Bratt replied they had to get an easier legal description because they were building a home there. He explained it was presently an empty lot. He added that Real Estate 10, Second Addition, was not the carrect name� and asked that it be changed to Lot 1� Hillwind Addition. �5 � __ :� � y°lanning Corr¢nission Meeting - July 28, 1976 Pege 5 Chairperson Harris asked iF that was the proposed structure pictured on page bly� and Mr. Bratt replied it was. He said it was basically a L-shaped split- entry. Chairperson Harris asked if the lot met all of the zoning requirements, and Mr. Boardman replied they would have to pick up some easements on the property to the East of this in order to allow for sewer easement on this road. Mr. Bratt explained that the owner of the apartments there owned that land, and they had arranged with him for that easement. Mr. Girdler stated that he owned the property to the South (1300) and had the same no-sewer situation. He agreed xith Mr. Bratt that they should get together and pay for it. Mr. Bratt stated that if this Commission recommended to Council approval of this, they would also like to have them recommend that a building per.nit be issued upon approval of the preliminary plat, with the idea that they Wouldn't be able to move in until after final plat approvalMr. Bratt said he understood this had been done before �cq�aiite a few times. He explained the reason this request was made was because the cost of the proposed house would go up approximately $1,000 by the middle of August, �dd their mortgage commitment was about to run out. Mr. Boardman asked if all code requirements would be met, and Pfr. Bratt replied they would. He said they even had a building permit subject to these things. ' Chairperson Harris asked if there were any other drainage requirements, and Mr. BGardman replied nothing else was necessary. Mr. Bergman stated that this particular lot was zoned R-3, and he believed some additional property in that area was zoned R-3. He said Mr. Bratt's intention was to make a R-1 use of this particular lot, and asked him if he lmew i£ there were any similar plans for surrounding land. Mr. Bratt replied that he didn�t lmow. He said that Real Estate 10 had the property to the South, but beyond that point going South he didn�t know what anybody�s plans were. Mr. Bergman said.that there were plans at one time considering a neighborhood shopping area. Mr. Harris said he recalled that� but that would require re-zoning. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. if76-o6, Real Estate 10 Second Addition, by Bratt-Palen Builders. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declaren the Public Hearing closed at 8:17 P.M. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Lambert, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval o£ a preliminary plat� P.S. �/76-06� Real Estate 10 Second Addition� by Bratt-Palen Builders: Being a replat of part oS Lot !�� Auditor's Subdivision No. 25� to clarify the legal description of a building site generally located at 91�1 Hillwind Road N.E,� subject to identification of sever easement from the Easterly direction. Chairperson Harris asked if Mr. Bergman rrished to also recommend the issuance of a building permit if the preliminary plat was approved, and Pir. Bergman said his motion did not include that. He said he felt nothing would be served by that recommendation, and preferred to leave it to the City Council. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. v Planning Commission Meeting - July 28� 1976 Page 6 ��, i" ; 3. CONTTNUEI?; HUN,AN DEVEIAPMENT GOAIS AND OBJECTIVES Mr. Boardman informed the Commission that he had nothing further to di.scuss on this at this meeting. ' Mr. Boardcnan brought to the Cotmnission's attention the Official Publication Notice of Hearing by the City of Sprang Lake Park. He explained it was a rezoning request concerning the general location of Centr.al Avenue N.E, and Osborne Road, and taat it would be heard by the Spring Lake Park City Council on August 2, 1976. MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive the Notice of a Pub2ic Hearing on the rezoning request concerning the general location of Central Avenue N.E, and Osborne Road. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. AAJOURNDIENT • MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Commission meeting of July 28� 1976 adjourned at 8:1�3 by unanimous vote. Respectfully submitted, ��n,>.� ��m�.�»�i She •ri 0'DonnellJ Recording Secretary _ ��s2 -y� U � 7- a-d%- �G 5�-�-�, � � i I��!%/.�� "' OYiY��PY � �A �\�� yl - a �� Qvg�.�_ k . , .-�i,n,�/ � 6 7 I �� /7 7 � �%%z��c. /� � SSIJ� �� / '�u� M�,� ��r� �� 5p��.��st��