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PL 10/06/1976 - 65951 _ � ' � � � City of Fridley AGENDA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1976 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROYE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 22, 1976 1. CONTINUED: PllBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED . �� ' f1Y EVERT SW NSON: Being a replat of Lot 19, except the East 90 feet thereof, and except the West 17 feet taken for highway purposes, and the West 147.74 feet of Lot 18, all in � Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the developroent of a 36 unit townhouse site, the same being located at the intersection of Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E. C� � ' , Public Hearing closed. 7:30 P.M. PA6E5 1 - 22 23 - 28 2. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEARING: REZONIN6 REQUEST, ZOA �i76-05; 29 - 35 BY WYMAN SltITH: Rezone the Easterly 200 fee� of Lot 13, except the Northerly 30 feet thereof; also the Easterly 50 feet thereof, Auditor's Subdivision No 89, from R-3 (general multiple family dwellings, to C-1 (local business areas), or C-2, (general business:areas), to allow the construction of a speculative building to be used for offices and assemblies, generally located on the South side of Norton Avenue N.E. where it intersects with Central Avenue N.E. 3. Public Hearing closed. RATION OF A r�n�� r„>, rrio-va� 11\IYJOI�V1.f� irvntn n�r�n1 �nanu nvui�iviv� , BY DARREL . FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: Being a replat of Lots 1 to 4 inclusive, Blocks 21 through 26, and also part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third ' Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. 1 4. � , � Public Hearing open, tabled August 18, 1976 N6: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT. P.S I�HKK UtVtLUNf9tIVl I;UKt'UKHIlUfV: t3E'ltl(J a replat ot the tastern boundary of Innsbruck Villages Addition, described as follows: That part of Outlot A, Inns6ruck horth, lying West of a line drawn fr•om the most Northerly corner of Outlot C, Innsbruck Villages, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot iI�4, 50 - 55 �� � � � � , � � ' � � � � • . � . � � � � � , Planning Cortanission Agenda for Wednesday, October 6, 1976 at 7:30 P.M. Page 2 PAGES A, Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating, the purpose of the plat to allow for a more feasible distribu- tion of the same number of units in the development, generaliy located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E. and West of the Black Forest Apartment. 5. PUBLIC HEP,RING: CONSIDEP.ATION OF A PROPOSED PLAT, P.S. 56 - 61 #76-07, ROTTLUND OAKS, BY THE ROTTLUND COMPANY: Being a replat of Lots 6, 7, 8, 9, 10; 14, 15, 16 and 17, Block 1, Spring Brook Park Second Addition, together with Lots 32 and 33, and teh West 30 feet of Lots 34 and 35, Block 10, Spring Brook Park Addition, zoned P.D. (Planned Development), generally located bet�aeen Ruth Street N.E, and East River Road N.E., North of Liberty Street N.E. 6. Tabled at September 8, 1976 Planning Commission meeting. 7. PUBLIC HEARIN6: CONSIDERATiUN OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. 76-09, DELE ER AD�ITI�PI, BY OONALD M. LEIER: Being a replat of Lot 38, Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the developnient of 3 R-1 lots (single family dwelling area) and 4 R-3 lots, (general multip?e family units), generally locatd in .the 1500 Block between 73rd Avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E. 62 - 67 Synopsis of material used to rezune to PD sent separately later. 68 - 73 8. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. #76-08, BY MR. & MRS. KENNETH GASVtK: �� _ The purpose of tfie lot split request was to split off 55 feet of front footage of Lot 8, Block l, Holiday Hills Second Addition, and make �t a part of Lot 5, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, but the request now includes other properties listed on their deed that has never gone through the lot split procedure by the City. The complete request is as follows: That part of Lot S, Block 1, Holiday Hills second Addition, described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of Lot 8, Block 1, Holiday Hills Second Addition, said point being located 97 feet Southwesterly of the Northeast corner of said Lot 8, thence Southeaet�rly along the East line of said Lot 8, a distance of 99.65 feet to the Most Southerly point of said Lot 8, thence Northwesterly along the West line, a distance of 75 feet, thence Northeasterly to the point of beginning, AND, that part of lot 8, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of said Lot 8, that point being 15 feet Northeast of the most Southerly corner of said Lot 8; thence Northwesterly along the Southerly tine of said Lot 8, a dista�ce of l37 feet to a point on the Westerly line of said Lot 8, thence Southeasterly to a point of beginning, all to be part of Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, the same 501 Rice Creek Blvd 79 N,E. �'�i .,, Planning Commission'Agenda for Wednesday, October 6, 1976 at 7:30 P.M. Page 3 PAGES 9. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L,S. #76-09, BY BENEDICT NOVAK: g0 - 83 Split off the Southerty 102 feet of Lot 34, Auditor's Subdivision No, 77, subject to 9 foot road easement 71 1/2 Way N.E „ Co create a nev� building site, fhe same being 145 71 1/2 Way NeE. (The address of Mr. Novak's residence will have to be changed when a building permit is taken out for construction on the new building site, 10. RECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINl1TES: 11. RECEIVE FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL OUALITY a. RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COt4MISSION TO COUNCIL TNAT A MORATQRIUM BE SET ON ST 75-3. b. RECOMMENDA7ION OF dESIGNATION BY THE FRIDIEY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION FOR THE EAST RIVER ROAD AS A PARKWAY AND ESTABLISH COPlTROLS BY ORDTNANCE AS TME FRIDlEY PARKWAY SYSTEM FOR ITS SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMEN7AL SIGNIFICANCE c. RECOMME^;DRTION ON THE EAST RIVER ROAD AROJECT COMMITTEE REPORT 12: RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MTNUTES: SEPTEMBER 28, 1976 � T3. CONTINtlEO: REVIEW OF PROPOSED MAINTENANCE CODE , 14. CONTINUED: fIISCUS5I0N ON GARAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR SI 15, CONTINUED: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT 60ALS AND OB�ECTIVES 16. MATERIAI ON THE YOUTH CENTER 17. RECEIVf PARKS & REGREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: SE TEh16ER 27, 1976 ADJOURNMENT: E�� 89 - 103 104 - 120 Separate 121 - 127 129 - 7"s3 At Meeting 134 = ;140 , � , y . , , , , , , � �'�,�' CITY OF I'HIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSTON MEETING SEPTEMBER 22, 1976 CALL TO ORDER; Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:37 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Schnabel, Shea Members Absent: Peterson Others Present: Ray Leek, Planning Aide APPROVE PLANNING COPIMISSION MINUTES: SEPTEP�IBr,'"R 8 1976 PAGE 1 I Mrs. Schnabel siated she would like to af£irm on page 21t� item 13� the date set for the joint meeting witn the City Council on l�D� lots. She said she was sorry she hadn�t been able to set up the meeting earlier, and November 22nd ' would be fine witn her. She added she appreciated it bezng set up and uoulc get in touch with the appropriate people. 1 PfOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Cormnission minutes of September 8� 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, Il. CONTINUID: �WANJUN: Hezone Lot ly� except the �;ast ly0 feet thereofa and except tl:e , • West 17 Yeet taken for highway purposes, from C-1 (general office and limited businesses)� and the West 1!�'],71� feet o£ Lot 18, £rom R-1 (single Yamily dwelling areas}, aIl in Auditor's Sub-division No 129� io R-3 , (general multiple £amily dwellings), to allow a condominium-type develop- ment, the same being located at the intersection o£ Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E. ' ' Public Hearing closed. Mr. E�ert R. Swanson� property owner� and Mr, A. R. Olson, architect, were present. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission reopen , the Public Hearing on a rezoning request, ZOA #76-03, by Evert H. Swanson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared tt�e Public Hearing open at 7:1�3 P.M. 1 � Mr. Leek stated there was no flzrther input from Staf£ other than what uas discussed ° at the 3ast meeting. Chairperspn Harris asked if the Fire Marshal had looked at the plans, and Mr, Leek replied he had and there was no problem with it. Planning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b � Page 2 + � Mr. Swanson stated he now had some elevations to show� and invited the interested parties to view them� which they did, Mr. Bergman asked if Mr. Swanson would be in agreement with the stipulation that if this vas approved, these townhouses would be owner-occupied. Mr. Swanson answered he would be. Mrs. Shea asked i£ anything had been done to move those condominiums back, as one had been only 20' from the residential property line. Mr. Olson stated the plan he had before him shov�ed a 26� setback and a 30' setback� and pointed out on the plans where those setbacks were. Mr. James Hinrichs, 7355 Hayes St, N.E., asked what the term "condominium" meant, and if it was any different than a townhouse, and i£ one was r�ore desirable than the other. Mr, Swanson said that although the notice did read this was a condominium-type development, which was owner-occupied apartments� this project was actually a townhouse development. He said the occupanLs would own the land that their particular part of ihe building was on� and would have their own yards and patios. Mr. Leek commented that there was no definition for ihe term "condominium" as such in the City Code, but it did define toVmhouses and the development in question fit that definition. Mr. Hinrichs stated they were trying to keep the value of the neighborhood up, and he wouldn't object to a townhouse development. Mr. Larry McCabe, 732� Hayes St., N.E., stated that he had two petitions to present. He explained that one was in disagreement with the rezoning and Has signed':ry two neighbors, the other was in favor of the rezoning with stipulations and had 18 signatures. Chairperson Harris read the first petition, which stated; We the undersigned group, heretofore to be lmown as "neighbors"� hereby agree to the rezoning of the property Smown as Lot 19, except the .;ast 190 feet thereof� and except the West 17 £eet taken for highway purposes, from C-1 (general office and limited businesses) and the West 11t7.74 feet oP Lot 18 from R-1 (single family dwelling areas), all in Auditor's Subdivi.sion No. 129� to R-3� subject ta the following stipulations concerning the construction, occupation, 2nd maintenance of said property: 1, l3o structure shall be constructed any closer than currently indicated on the plans dated 9/B/76 and retained by the "neighbors", 2. All structures exceeding 1(one) story in height, shall be con- structed at a minimum distance of 35 feet from the bordering property line of the nearest "neighbor". 3, The "neighbors�' shall not be burdened with any assessments, levies, or taxes of any kind, now planned� or planned in the tliture, as a result of the construction, occupation, or maintenance of the above described property, as the result of goo.d or poor planning on the part of the developer or the City of Fridley, Por a period of up to �(£ive) years following the completion of said construction. The costs of all assessments� levies� or taxes shall be borne by the developer� and/or the City of Fridley for this period. Also� if any assessments are now planned� the '�neighbors" would like to be informed of them at this time (9/22/76). , , � � , � , i� i � � _ � , i � ' � � , � � � � , � , , , 1 Planning Commission Meeting - Septemiaer 22� 1976 Page 3 Chairperson Aarris noted that petition had 18 signatures. He then read the following petition: We the vndersigned group� hereto£ore to be irnown as "neighbors", herelrj disagree to the rezoning of the property knoVm as Lot 19, except the East 190 feet thereof� and except the :,lest 17 feet taken for highway purposes� from C-1 (general oYfice and limited businesses), and the West 1lt7.7� feet of Lot 18 from R-1 (single farv.ly dwelling areas} all in Auditor$ Subdivision No 129, to R-3. Mr. Harris noted that patition had two signatures. MOTION by Schnabel� the i.wo petitions. unanimously. seconded by Bergmana that the Planning Comrr.ission receive IIpon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried Chairperson Harris asked Mr, Swanson iS he had any concerns about the stipulations, and he answered that the only one would be the second stipulat�on requiring a two-story structure to be a minimum distance of 35 feet from the bordering property line of the nearest neighbor. P:r. Olson asked if it was the intent of ihe neighbors to questien the 26' setback which he indicated on the nlans, Dir. McCabe stated that at the time the petition was put together 35' vras arlitrary� and the general feeling at that tirr.e was since t�ey did not haae any idea of the exterior of the buildings they did not want just a Iarge straight wall any c2oser t�an 3s� to their property lines. Ae explained they had asked a xeek ago for an idea of the exterior o: total height of the toVmhouses, but hadn't gotten an5 help at that time, hir. Olson stated that the total comnlex, including floor plans with details and elevations had been drav.n up according to the City's requirements £or setbacks. He added that the measurements on tne plans were actually a little in excess of the minirmtms which r:ere required. Mr. S�ranson asked if the neighbors would have the same compla9nt if it zaas a two-story single-family dwelling that was beSng constructed. Tfr, t•IcCabe said they intended to b*ing this in as a matter oF arbitration, althougn 35' t•ras in agreement among the neighbors, Air. Hinrichs commented they just didn't want an .IDS Tower next to their back doors. Rir. Swanson stated he understood that� and the buildings wouldn't be any higher than any other two-siory derelling crould be. Mr. Hinrichs pointed out that there presently weren�t any txo-story dwellings in their area. Mr. Olson stated he wanted to point out that the entire project would be meticu- lously landscaped, and it was possible io bring a tall building down in heignt by the planting oF tress and so forth. He added they should also bear in mind that this wouldn't be a straight wall going up as there would be areas on the second Floor that would come out two to four feet, there would be windows that would project out, and so forth, Dfr. Hinrichs stated thaL the building on the Southeast corner did not follow their stipulations, and asked that the archiiect reconsider and move the building over five feet and in nine £eet. Mrs. Schnabel noted that Mr. Olson had mentioned there would be extrusions of two to four feet on the second floor elevation� and asked if those e�ctrusions would extend over the 26 i'oot setback. hfr. Olson replied they would not, and said the ground line of the building might possibly have more than a 26' setback. P2anning Cormnission Meeting - September 22, 1976 pa�e �� Chairperson Harris stated it would be a good idea to number the documents, and identified the petition in £avor of the rezoning with stipulations as F�chibzi A, the petition in opposition as Ekhibit B, the color-coded layout plan as Exhibit C� and the floor plans as Exhibit D, Mr. Langenfeld stated he would like to point out that when a husband and wife signed a petition, it taas counted as one signature and not two� and Chairperson Harris said that was correct, Mr, McCabe explained they ro�ere just aiming for a representative as a property owner, whether it was one or both. Mr. Hinrichs stated that in their petition, they agreed to the plan dated 918/7b with stipulations� and noted that there was a discrepancy between ihose plans and the plans Mr. Swanson had with him. Mr. SV7anson commented that the plans had been revised, and the one dated 9/8/76 was obsolete. N�r, Hinrichs said he would like the petition to be changed to read "the plans as shown in exhibit G"� and Chairperson Harris said it would be so noted, Chairperson Harris said he wished to speak to stipulation #3, and commented that he hoped it r�ould be good planning, He said that concerning a guarantee that there would be no assessments or levies against that property, he wasn't quite sure whai the neighbors were driving at. P7r. %1cCabe explained they were talking about assessments or levies that would be a direct result of that project. Mr. Langenfeld said he also felt they meant if there were major street i.mprovements within that area as a result of this construction, the neighbors did not wished to l�e assessed because of that. Mr. NcCabe said that was correct. Chairperson Harris asked if there was any proposed construction or assessments for this area� and Mr. I,eek replied not to his ]mo�rledge. Mr. Harris asked if the storm sewers were in� and Mr, Swanson said he believed they were. Mr. Harris asked if there were storm sewer assessments now� and was told that there were on Hayes. Mr, ticCabe stated that they felt that the assessments that were in now were paid for by the neighbors� and if new ones arose they didn't want to split the difference with the new people and let them get a free ride. Mr. Langenfeld commented that one of the functions of the Planning Commission was not to become an assessor, but the possibility could exist where this might be benei'icial to the tax situation and be a reverse situation. Chairperson Harris stated the reason he brought this point up was because the Planning Commission could not make any agreements or commitments for the City; that was up to the City Council. He added that From his past experiences with the Council, he thought it would be difficult to get the City to agree to that last stipulation, Pir. McCabe stated that the word "City" could be eliminated from the petition. Mr. Harris said that would have to be an agreement betiaeen Mr; Swanson and the City� if he would consider making such an agreement. Dtr. Swanson commented that to his knowledge there were no assessments against tnis property at the present time. Mr. Harris explained the neighbors didnTt want additional expenses because o£ the development for street improvements or modifioations in the street to facilitate traffic or excess drainage of storm waters� and things like that. � , , � , , � , � ' � ' ' ' � � ' � ' �p. u v:\.I*'�� .. . , :.m.� n.. . . . . . . . . : / � y � V Mr. Langenfeld said he noted that one individual was concerned about a large xall adjacent to his home, and pointed out that the request they were considering � was changing this area from C-1 zoning, and xith that type of zoning something could be constructed that would be much more un:'avorable. Mr. Hinrichs asked if this properiy could be used as rental aL a later date iS the project got half completed and the money ran aut or the units didn't sell for some resson. He was �concerned that construction costs would be cut to get the costs of the building down to be used for rental. Mr. Swanson said that anybody who owned a piece of property had the right to rent it out; but that was not his aim. He added that if they couldn't be sold and had to be rented out� it would be better than having them stand empty, Mr, Leek commented that there was nothing in the ordinance that prohibited rental. Mr. Langenfeld stated this brought concern to him Frhen it had come up previously� because he didn't see how it could be stipulated that it be only owner-occupied. AIr, Hinrichs said in that case he would like his name taken off the petition in agreement with the townhouses and be put on the opposition one, and not risk Mr. Swanson missing his target. Mrs. Shea said that at the Iast neeting hlr. Hoifsneyer had sLated that they wou13 build one building to sell, and wouldn't start on another until 8d� of it �as sold, ttr. SWanson said that was correct, and he couldn't afford to rent inem anyr:ay. Mr. 14cCabe said he thought they �rere worried about the intent� and at wh2t point Mr. S*aanson would say is a turning point and decide they couldn't be sold and just throw something up to reat. i•ir. Harris explained that once the townhouse development plans were approved, they were tied by building perriit to a specific type of constructi•�n and could not deviate in major ways irom that type of construction. �'r. McCabe said they were concerned because the towxihouses were going to be two stories high, and in spite o£ the redwood fence the occupants would be able to see the two junk yards� trailer court, auto dealers, etc. in the area, and xere wondering what was going to sell these units for $lt0,000 to $60,000 since there was nothing on the order of a swimming pool or other luxuries planned, He sai.d that seemed Zike a steep price for rrhat they were getting. Mrs. Schnabel stated that she had read a copy of the report that carr.e out recently by a study group formed by the P:etropolitan Council concerning housing in the metropo].itan area. She informed the Commission and the citizens that the current situation in housing was vary criticaZ in the metro area, and a single-family home was a rare fi.nd these days. She said that if they could compare what you got for $1i0,D00 in a single-£amily home today with what yon got for the same price in the late 19s0's, they woul@ be amazed at the difference in the quality of housing that is available. She added that there is a rtearket for housing and a very strong demand £or it. P1rs. Schnabel said that there were many people who reached the point where they didn't wish to have a great deal oi maintenance in a private dwelling of their own. She said she thought that basically the main concern right now was xhether or not to grant a rezoning on this property. She stated that their concerns as neighbors were rrell justified, but she thought they had to let Mr. Swanson worry about how this would be marketed and who would buy it. According to the stndies, she said, there is a great demand for this type of housing; single £amily houses are so expensive and the amount you are getting is so 2ittle in comparison to what it was that there is a great demand-for the toxnhouse concept. She added that there probably was a market that many of them didn't realize, but if they checked wi.th other builders or realtors they xould fi.nd there was a de£inite market. Planning Gommission Meeting - September 22� 1976 Page b . Mr. Bergman asked what the code requirement was for setback of a townhouse structure £rom R-1 property, and Mr. Leek said it was 15' with appropriate screening, Mr. Olson pointed out that they were 26� from the property line on the East side and 30' on the other side, so they were in excess of the code by quite a bit. Chairperson iiarris asked Mr. Swanson ii' he would be agreeable to moving that building from 30' to 35' from the R-1, and Mr. Swanson said that should be discussed with the architect. Mr. Olson said that would decrease the distance tietween buildings i� and 5 by 1��� and there would also be £our feet less green area. Mr. Olson asked if it was the Pltuaning Commission's suggestion that the architect restudy buildings 5 and 6 according to 3$' instead of what the present codes required. Mr. Harris said he couldn't speak for the whole Commission, but in his own opinion he thought it vrould enhar.ce the groperty if they had a little more space on those par.ticular sides. He said there would then be 31' between the buildings, and it would mean shifting 5 and 6 to the North. Mrs. Schnabel asked what that would do to building �6 on the West property line� and Mr. Olson stated that would be reduced by roughly 9'. Mr. Olson eaid he would like to point out that across Central Avenue to the West was some unenvironmental property, and i£ he lived in the neighborhood he would welcome the proposed development on the suggested site rather than thinking what could be developed on the site in lieu of the toUmhouses, t•ir. Swanson stated that if it went commercial the neighbors would have the back yards a£ stores facing them, with those large garbage containers and a lot o£ debris. Persona2ly, he said, he couldn't see why anyone would object to it. Mr. John Young� 73�t3 Hayes Streei N.u., stated that he didn't think they were against the development. He sai.d they were agreeable to it in their petition� but wanted to make sure it was a good development and aesthetically pleasing. Mr. Swanson said that question had come up before and he had done all he could to assure the neighbars on that point. Mr. Olson pointed out that once the plans were accepted� that is what had to be developed. He said that these plans also carried an architectural stamp with a state registration nurnber, so the architect would not be willing to jeopardize his own profession and would see that the plans were carried out as proposed. Mx. McCabe said he was basically reassured about stipulations one and two, but would like a little further reaction from Mr. Swanson on the assessment end of it. He added that he couldn't see any benefit to the neighbors from any assessment that had anything to dn with the development. Chairperson Harris said he was wondering if there was an area assessment ior storm sewers� and that got to be a rather technical question as to whether it benefits the total area or what area it benefits. He said that was why storm sewers were taken on a general area assessment. He added that if the storm sewers were in� and the streets� sewers and water were in, he couldn't see any £uture improvements. Mr, Swanson said that he didn't ]mow if one person could 6e individually taxed and not the comn�unity. He added that no matter what wenL in on that property, the same thing would apply� whether it was cormnercial or residential. Mr, McCabe asked if Mr. Swanson would or would not be willing to pick up the tab for any future developments that were related to the project� and Mr. S�ranson replied by asking how an individual could commit himself to paying for improve- ments that would benefit the whole area. He added he didn't foresee any coming up. Mr, Hi.nrichs said that Mr. Swanson couldn't foresee any, but asked what Kould happen if the sewers weren�t big enough to handle all the water £rom these units. .�..�. . � � � � � � � ' � � � � ' , L� , �' A Planning Commission Meeting - September 22� 1976 Page 7 , � � � Mr. Swanson said that ii the area was commercial they might have the same problem. Chairperson Harris suggestsd clearing up the matter of what could be constructed in a commerciaZ district� and Mr. Leek read the permitted uses for C-1 districts. Mr. Langenfeld asked if Siaf£ had prepared an administrative report on this, and Mr. Leek replied they had not. Mr. Langen£eld asked if they had found any problem with drainage, and Mr. Leek said no such situation had been mentioned ta him, Chairperson Harris said he had talked to Mr, Boardman earlier in t:�e evening and asked ii the administrative departments had looked at this, and 14r. Boardman said t2ey had. Mr. Aarris said he had asked iP there t•rere any coimnents or documentation, and apparently there rrasn't any. ' Mr. Piichael Virnig� 1365 73rd Avenue N.E., asked how far back the screening would be ofF the property line. Pir. Leek said Lhe code didn't stipulate that, but jusi stated 15� with the landscaping located on the R-3 property. Air. � Virnig said that he had a fence on his property at the present tirte, and was wondering if there would be toro £ences just 6�� apart rrith no maintenance in between, He said he taas also wondering how far the fence would extend� because ' i£ it extended too far he would have a probleri going in and out of his driveway. Air. Harris said the fence could not extend 7' in height all the way to the street. Mr. Leek read Yrom the City Code which staied nothi.ng would be allowed � to impede vision, and Mr. Langenfeld commented that Staff rrould make certain that the fence Vrould not be a visual barrier. Chairperson iIarris said that with regard to the txo fences togetherJ he hoped that the two adjoining neighbors could work that out. Mr. Virnig asked if there could be som� stipulation on completion of the yence after initiation of the project, and Mr. Swanson said that they would do the landscaping on each building after it �ras constructed. Tirs, Schnabel asked if he was talking about ihe landscaping surrounding ihe building itself� and Mr. Swanson said yes. Mrs. Schnabel asked about the landscaping of the exterior portion of the property running around the property line itselF. 1�fr. Swanson replied they would do all the landscaping for a particular building out to the lot line °or each building. Mrs, Schnabel sai.d that one of the neighbors was concerned because he was surrounded by buildings number 1 and 5, and asked if the landscaping would be done around building numoer 1 upon its completion� and finish the landscaping around building number 5 when it r7as compZeted. P7r. Sroranson said that was right� and adc3ed that up until that time his back yard would �ave the same view it had right now, t��r. Langenfeld cummented that particular pice of property would remain in its natural state until construction commenced. Mrs. Schnabel stated she was still quite concerned about stipulation number 2 in the petition agreeirg wiLh the rezoning. She said she didn't think they had ansxered that to the satisfaction of the petitioners or the builder or the architect, and she felt they were leaving something hanging in mid air if they didn't address themselves speci£ically to the problem of the 35� setback the petitioners were reouesting. hir. Olson said that ihe plans� lmown as exhi.bit C, met all setback requirements, and asked if it was now also part of the require- ments to meet stipulation number 2 of exhibit A, Mr. Young, speaking for the 1'lenning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b PB�e $ neighbors, said they felt if 3t was within the code they would strike stipulation number 2 from their petition and would go along with it as planned. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission c2ose the Riblic Aearing on the rezoning request, ZOA �76-0�� by Evert R, Swanson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 9s14 P.P4. MOTION by LangenFeld that the Plaru�ing Commission recommend to Covncil aparoval of rezoning request, ZDA j/76-03, by Evert R. Swanson: Rezone Lot 19, except the East 190 feet thereof, and except the Glest 17 feet tal;en for highv;ay purposes, from C-1 (general office 2nd limited businesses), and ihe 4dest 11t7.7Lt feet of I,ot 18, from R-1 (single fami.ly dVrelling areas), a11 in Auditor�s Subdivision No 129, to R-3 (general multiple family dwellings), to allow a condominium-type development, the sa^�e being 2ocated at the intersection of Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue Pi.E, with the £ollowing stipulations: 2) Every effort be made to maintain the setbacks as shovm in exhibit C� and 2) All the necessary studies be made on behalf of the assess-. ment procedure. Mrs. Schnabel said she thought that perhaps the stipulations were premature, She said this hearing was strictly on the rezoning request, and tnought consideration oP the stipulations might £all under consideration of the preliminary nlat or the townhouse development plans, Mr. Lang�nfeld oreed, hSr. Langenfeld APIENDED the MOTION to recommend approval of the rezoning request 20A j{%6-03 by Evert R. Swanson without the stipulations. Seconded by Bergman, t4rs. Schnabel said she thought it wouZd be wise to point out that the majority of the adjaoent neighbors did concur with the rezoning request as indicated by their petition. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. highway purposes� and the idest 1t�7.7i� feet of Lot 18, all in Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the development of a 36 unit townhouse site� the same being 2ocated at the intersection o£ Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E, Mr. Ebert R, Swanson, property owner, and Mr. A, R. Olson, architect� crere present. rI0TI0N by Schnabel, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a proposed preliminary plat, P.S, #7o-O8, Gentra7. Townhouse Addition, by Evert R. Swanson. Upon a voice vote� a11 voti.ng aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 9:20 P,ri. � i I , ' ' , ' i � ' ' !_J ' ' � , � � r....-..__ .... . _._ _ .. R 1' Chairperson Harris stated that this would entail a new legal description, and Mr. Swanson asked if that meant putting it into simpler language. Mr. Harris replied yes� they would just be cieaning up the legal description. �� � � Chairperson Harris asked Mr, Swanson iF he had a replat plan, and he replied he had no other documents other than what had already been discussed, Mr. Harris asked if he was replating, and Pir. Swanson replied not Lhat he }m ew oP. Mr. I.angenfeld pointed out the P2anning and 2oning Form on page 27 of ihe agenda, signed by P-Sr. Swanson, Mr, Harris noted he had also paid the fee. P4r. Harris said he was wondering why a replai was needed, and asked i£ somebody at St�ff level had requested a replat, Mr, Swanson said he aidn�t lmou, ;�;r, Leek said he had no other i.nFormation other than what was in the agenda, � Chairperson Harris said he thoughi they would be bringing the legal descri�tion into one lot because they had parcels of two different lots� znd tnz 1ega1 description was very unwieldy the caay it read now. MOTION by LangenYeld� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration of a proposed preliminary pla�, P,B, �76-08, Central Toamhouse Addition� by Evert $. Sxanson. Upon a voice vote� a;l voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing c?osed at 9;3� P,1�;. A�.'. Langen£eld said it U�as his opinion that since they were lackin� the specifics as Par as the replat description, they could not make a decision. Chair�erson Harris said he thought it would be proper at th=s time to reco.-cnenc� approv�7. of the preliminary plat, if that was the Corri-nission's crish, and refer to exhibit C, MOTION Ly Langenfeld� seconded by Shea� tha.t the Planning Comr:issicn recornr.end to Council aoproval of a proposed preliminary plat, P,S. ;/76-CO, Cer.tral Townhouse Addition, by Evert R. Sc�anson, as indicated in exhibit C: A;eo2at of Lot 19, except the East 190 ieet thereo£, and except the West 17 feei ��,en for highway purposes, and the tdest 1lt7.7� feet of Lot 18, a11 :n i�n3ito^'s Sub@ivision Ido 129� to a:�1ow the developrient of a 36 unit to��n^.ou�e site� tae same being located at the intersection of Central Avenue and 7jrd kvenue N.E. Mrs. Schnabel stated that she was a little upset that Staff had no :�mowledge oF what was going on at this point� and that the Chairman o£ ihe Cosnmission did not have any informaiion on this either. She said she fe2t StafP should hati�e informed the Chairman since the person �,��ho normally services the Co::anission couldn't be present. She added that she felt they were shootir.g in the dark� and didn�t really knotio for sure what was intended, She said sne could not vote in favor of the motion because o£ that. P1r, Leek said he appreciated i;rs. Schnabel�s concern, and said that part of the fault was he had Sailed to ask the appropriate qusstions during his brieiing. He stated his understanding was that the situation was understood, but apparently it wasn't, r+r. Harris commented that it hadn�t occurred to hiri to delve i.nto it flzrther. Mr. LangenFeld said he was certainly in agreement with AYrs, Schnabel, but since this would be a simpli£ication of a 1ega1 description he didn�t think it shou�d be something that sho�ld hold back anything they had slready sta:ted moving forward. birs. Scksnabel stated that was just an assumption as to orhat this was about; it appeared that nobody lmew £or sure what the request was really for. PlatmSng Commis�ion Meeting - SepLember 22, 197b Page 11 � _ Chairperson Harris asked in vhat:direction the garages were going io face� and Mr. Olson replied that wou2d vary according to what particular buildi.ng he was referencing. He showed the Commission on the plans the different ways , the garages were situated� tkiereby not having a long row of garage fronts on the streat. Mr. Bergman stated he would like to fmow what the $20,000 difference was between a$lt0,000 and $60,000 townhouse, and particu2arly if there were any plans to use dif£erent construction materials between L'nat range of price. He was Kondering if this was including or er.cluding fixtures and appliances, or if the difference had to do with the size of thc units� and so on. Mr. Olson said that a leeway of $20�OOd was established because they had no contractual estimates as to what it would cost to build a building, and with inflation prices for building costs were changi.ng tremendously, He said this was more or 2ess a figure to work with. Mr. Olson added that a$l�O,OQO house mi.gnt have no brick, one bedroom and one bath, whereas a$60,000 home might have brick, two bathrooms, three bedrooms� etc. Mr. Swanson added that the intention Vras not to cheapen any of the construction. Mrs, Schnabel asked if the guest parking would be in the center areas bei�reen the garage areas, and t•4r, Olson replied it would, and also aprons �rere provided in front of the garages for additional parking, Mrs. Schnabe2 noted that tttese were si.ngle car stalls, and asked where an occupant would park his second car if he had one. T�[r. Olson said he would have to park it in front of his first car's parking stall. Nlrs. Schnabel said her concern sternmed from the fact that if an owner h�d two cars and on� had to sit oat, and if they or sameone else had guests over, there could be a problem vrith congestion oi cars in that area. She added that the:e might be a safety hazard zs iar ae fire trucks and ambulances getting in and out. ASr, Olson said ihere would be a-nple room on the street where cars could also park, but he didn't imow i£ the Townhouse Association would allow parking there. Ghairperson Harris noted on page 3�t of the agenda ihe plans stated 3b singl.e garages, 108 single aprons, and a total of llt4 parking spaces. He asked ,•Sr. Olso» i£ they were proposing 144 parking spaces within the development, and rir. Olson stated that according to his plan that was correct. i•Irs. Scnnabel asked if he could identify Where those 108 aprons Vrere� and Mr. Olson said he would have to plead ignorance. Chairperson Harris stated that if this ±aas 'recommended to Council for approval, it would be in order to sLipulate that e more detailed parking and plat plan layout be provided than zahat they had noW as exhibit C. Mr. Bergman said he would like to pay some recognition and compliment to btr. Swanson and Nlr. Olson because they had put a lot of thought into the plans, and the plans represented good and proYessional e£forts in most cases. He added that they had obviously spent a great deal of time on them and had done a good job. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of T-�{76-03, Townhouse Development Plans, by Evert R. Swanson: 36 Unit Townhouse Development for Central Townhouse Addition, referencing exhibits C& D, and with the understanding that this is toanhouse construction intended £or ot�mer occupancy, with two stipulations: Planning Cormnission Meeti.ng - September 22y 1476 Page 12� .- � 1. That as the property is developed from building 1 through subsequent buildings� the landscaping, inoluding fencing� be completed as construction stages are completed. 2. That prior to Council vi.ew the park9ng proposal be clarified with regard to identiiying the total parking as indicated on e3chibit C. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. !t. PUBLTC HEARNG: REZONING RECtUEST: ZOA �'J6-OS, BY L7`±ifltN SMIT3: �ezone the Easterly 200 feet of Lot 13� except the Northerly 30 feet thereo.°; also the Easterly 50 feet thereof� Auditor�s Subdivision No, 89: fron R-3 (general multiple £amily dwellingsj, to C-1 (local business areas)� or C-2 (general business areas)� to allow the construct•ion of a speculative building to be used For offiaes and assemblies� generally located on the South side o£ Norton Avenue N.E. rorhere it intersects ;ai�h Central Avenue N.E. Mr. Leroy B. Smith� property owner, and Dir. 'o7yman Smith, attorney, were present. D70TION by Schnabel, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission open the Public Nearing on a rezoning request, ZOA #76-05, by 6dyman Smith. Upon a voice trote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at l0:05. Mr.�I,eek stated that there were a couple of concerns th � 5taf£ �ad regarding this, and was somewhat uncertain about how they feel it should go. ?ie said that Mr. Boardman and Mr. Clark felt that ideally the area in question should be industrial since it is surrounded by industrial (he referred the Cor�mission to the maps on pages !t0 and lt1 of their agendas}; homever, tnere were presently single-family dwellings in the area. Mr. Leek said the feeling had been expressed that if there was an ideal location for an apartment structure in the city, that would be it, He added that there was no one recom�nendation regardi.ng the property as far as Staff was concerned. Mr. Wyman Smith stated that Mr. Leroy Smith had owned this lot for more than £ifteen years, and the taxes and assessments were now $900 a year. He said that i.n spite of Staff's suggestion that this would be idea2 for apartments� the property has been for sale far an apartment site for 15 years and no one had put together a package where it could be developed for anartrients. He said ihat something had to be done with it, and Mr. Leroy Smith thought there was a need for some retail shops to serve the public that is in that area. Mr, Wyman Smith stated there was a very definite market in �'ridley for an assembly room that wedding parties could rent and public assemblies convene. He said the assembly room would be on the second floor, and that could also be modified into offices if there was a need, He stated that probably this would be an offic building, as Mr. Leroy Smith was talking about finding a place for accountants and that type of thing. He presented the Commission with a rough sketch of the floor plan of the building. • Mr. Langenfeld stated this request confused him a bit, iie said there was nothing wrong with a rezoning request from R-3 to C-1 OR C-2 (one or the other), but he�had nener seen a request like this before. Mr. Wyman Smith said this hgd �, °' come about because he had filled out the form C-1, had seen Darrel Clark, and Mr. Clark had suggested making C-1 or G2. He stated he thought C-2 gave them a little more selection� but they Would be satisfiec�"with G1. i•ir. Langenfeld � noted that a"specuZative" building was mentioned� and said that implied this building would go up and if it didn't work out something else would be tried, and so on. Mr. Vlyman 5mith said that the te:m speculative in the market meant that there rrasn't a buyer. He said it would be Sinanced and built, and then � a buyer would be found to own the building. Mr. Bergman referred to the map on page ltl of the agenda, and asked if all of the property in the white rectang2e was now undeveloped or unoccupied. r7r. Leek replied that portions of that property contained sing2e-family dVrelTings and an apartment building. Mr. Bergnan referred to page L0� and asked what the present use was of lots 9� 1�J, 13 and any other Iarge portions oF that property. Nir. Wyman Smith answered that lots 10 and 13 were vacant, and Iots 6� 7� 8� 9 and 12 were all single-fa�nily houses. He said there were a total of eleven residences on Norton, and south o£ that property was Medtronics. Mr. Ber�man asked what the zoning was in the area circled on the map on page 1�1� and Mr. Leek replied it was zoned R-3 and had been changed to that in 19b3. Mr. Wyman Smith stated that the zoning at one time was C-1� and that the residences on Nortan had been there a long time. Cindy Mabel, I27.1� Norton Avenue N.E., stated that everyone on the black felt it was a residential area. She said that two years ago it was all open, and now Medtronics had a parking 1ot right next to her yard. She said s?�e caas wondering where parking for the proposed bui?ding would be� and she assumed they had plans for both lots. Mrs, hlabel stated the proposed plans c.�ould certainly deteriorate the neighborhood� and added that the houses c,ere not old as her house had been built in 1961. Mr, Leroy Smith stated he �ast owned that one piece of properiy; the other property was in Iitigatian and ne nad nothing to do with that. He said that it would just be an ofiice buiiding of 5Q' X 110', consisting of two floors, azzd there Would be plenty of space on the lot to accommodaie the building and the parking. !3 Mr. Jerry Sympson, 117s Norton Avenue N.E., asked if Mr. Smith had sat down and figured ouL how many vehicles could be parked in this space. Chairperson Harris said he would like to clarify one thing; they could not use the rest o#' the lot for parking in total. He explained there t�ere certain green area and setback requirements that the City required, tlr. Ronald J. Risk, 7S� Ione� Spring Lake Park, asked what percentage of the Iot would be zllowed :or parking. Mr. Leek read the City Code which stated that off-street parking stalls shall be provided in the ratio of one stall £or each three seats provided in such an assembly hall. He explained that iS the hall would accommodate 300 people, that would neeessitate 100 parking stalls, and that didn't include oi'fice parking. ?4r. Bergman determined thaL 8 additional spaces woul@ be required £or the o£fice, or a toial of 108 parki.ng spaces would be necessary in total. � Chairperson Harris said that i£ they tried to have a meeting hall and an office together, it would be awfully tight; but if the building x�s used totally £or offices they might make it on parking. Mr. Risk asked i£ ihe street could be � utilized for parking since Old Central wasn't a very busy street in the evening, and Mr. Harris replied they did not encourage on-street parking. � � :� Planning Gommission Meeting - September 22� 147b Page 1� s Mr. Earl Dunbar, 12�5 Norton Avenue� asked where the access xould be. Chair- person Harris replied it could be on either one or both streets� probably bbth, but there was a minimum distance from the corner that the driveway could be. Mr. Leek stated that was 75' from the right-of-way. Mrs. JoAnn King, 1301 Norton Avenue N.E., stated she was opposed to this building because she thought it �rould be an invasion o£ her privacy. She explained she had just lost many trees to the Dutch Elm Disease which made her lot less private than it was, and she felt there would no� be enough parking places and she would have cars lined up in front of her house and she didn't want that. Mr. Dunbar said they were talking about an assembly hall where liquor would be consumed, and this meant 100 cars coming in and out of that lot with the people being in no shape to drive. He said he was worried those people would Find a street that was a dead-end street, and would run into problems turning their vehicles around� and so forth. He stated he didn't see where this would be of any betterment to the area, and he was totally opposed to any type oF assembly place. P4rs. Mabel stated that even if nothing was presently being done about the lot next to this one, since it would be zoned Commercial eventually another type of building taould go up and there wouldn't be parking Sor that, eitYier. She added she felt they were opening up a whole bag of problems. Mr. Wyman Smith stated there would not be any parking problemsr and the plan would be built within code. He explained when they ta7.ked about the number of 300 for assembly, this was because the code had set that as r�aximum. He continued that i£ the assembly hall worked out 2nd this became practical and feasible as a business venture� it would have to be measured down. He said if there was only room for 50 cars, then there would only be spaces £or 50. He added that the code had been very carefully dxawn to accommodate this sort oF thing, and these plans were flexible. He said that NIr. Leroy Smith was not asking to put up a McDonald's Drive-In� and he had to do something with the lot. Tfr. Wyman Smith said that it seemed to hirn that an ofPice building would be an improvement over almost anything they could have there, and he thought it was feasible and practical. Mr. Dunhar said that to cite an exa�nple, the Frontier Club had a parking lot, and yet any night of the week 25 to 100 cars could be found parked on Central Avenue and the side streets, and tearing up and down Central like it was a race track. He said that this would be the same type o£ assembly place with the same type of clientele, and asked how they could keep the cars off the streets. Mr, Wyman Smith stated he was £amiliar with the Frontier Club, and explained that was grandfathered in before the code was updated. He said the code was now changed, and this wasn't going to be a Frontier Club. He added that at the present time there was only one place to go in Fridley for a wedding party� and a community oP 3Q�000 deserved to have a community buil.ding that could be used for that purpose. He stated that AIr. Leroy Smith might change his mind, and if he could rent both floors for offices he would, Mr. Bergman said his observation 4ras that a l:ey hang up on the rezoning request Nas with the idea of the assembly hall and a concern as to the type of activity :�; ��; { .. .. . . .. �' ` Planning Commission Meeting - September 22� 1976 Page 15 that would go on there� and the traffic over-f1.ow and traffic problems. Mr. Bergman said that Mr, Smith was right in saying the code would restrict what he could build there within the constraints oS how much parking they could work out of the lot, which apparently hadn't been worked out yet at this point. He said that secondly, it would seem conceivable that there was some risk on Mr. Smith's part in that this zoning request couZd get approved and that when he worked out the amount oi' parY,ing spaces available rrith setbacks and green areas as required by code and city administration� he night £ind there weren�t enough parking spots to accommodate the building. i�:r. Berg;nan said he would then have to be restricted to that� so there was some risk involved in noL having this all put together at this point. He added t?�at it wou7.d seem the assembly hall which would need 100 parking spaoes tiias out of context with the size of the property. Mr. Louis C. Gray, 117Q Norton Avenue N.E., stated that he felt the traF£ic problem was the greatest ccmcern because it would vary, and he was also worried about drunken drivers in the area. Ruth J. Nqrton, 12s2 Norton Avenue N.E.� said she was against the assembly hall because the amount of cars going to a place like that couldn't be determined, She said they feli it would be a terrible thing to have in their residential area with al.l those people drinking and causing the residents problems they shouldn't have to put up yrith. Mr. Langen£eld asked under which categoz-y the assembly hall u:ot:ld fall, C-1 or G2. Mr. Leek replied it could be either� and the diFference depended on the capacity of the hal1. N.e explained ihat nnder 3�D would be ��-1 and over 300 would be C-2. Mr. Bergman saicl they were considering Central Avenue as one boundary street and a pri.marily residential street on the otner side of tne property as a bounc3ary� and this added some additional concern to the parking situation. He stated that the code requirement for the assembly hall which was one stall for each seating capacity of three was a code miniimun reauirement, and in a con@ition where parking was a parbicular problem Council could request something additionaZ to that. He explained he was referring back to the assembly hall and a capacity of 3��. He said the code might say a minimum number of aarking 'stallsof 100� but it was entirely conceivable that rrith a capacity of 300 there could be 300 cars� r;nd that would be taken into consideration. Mr. Risk stated that at the last four weddings he had attended, there were usually three people per car and many times two couples per car. He said that if some of the other halls were looked ai that had a capacity £or 300 people, that many cars wouldn't be found in the parking lot. He added that he didrt't see any conflict between the office parking ar.d the hall parkir.g because the office would be closed at ?�;30 or 5:00 and assemblies didn't start until 7:30 or 8:00. Mrs. King stated she thought the building would stick out like a sore thumb in that area because all the residences were one story structures with Iarge trees. 5he felt it should come down to a one-story building to fit in more sesbhetically with the neighborhood. HIr. Smith explained that it cras a split- entry building, so would actually be only a story and a half. � Planning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b Page 16 Mr. Langenfeld said he wished to point out to the Commission and the citizens thai he fully realized the situation the progerty owner had here because he was getting tired oi paying taxes on property he couldn't utilize; however, the whole intent on this rezoning was to build the office spaces and the assembly hall with hopes to sell the property and make a profit. After that, he said� the Lord only lrnew what this would turn into. He stated he was definitely against the assembly hall part of the proposal. Chairperson Harris asked P4r. Wyman Smith if he recalled what the circumstances were when this property was reaoned from C-1 to R-j. bir. Smith replied that went way back very early before riighway 65 was put throu�h and Old Central was the main thoroughfare, and that area was one o£ the business sections, He said he suspected it was zoned R-3 by the first major comprehensive zoning plan, Mr. Leek said he would have to disagree with that to the extent that it was rezoned to R-3 in 1963, rss. Harris asked Mr. Leroy Smith if at one time he had contemplated azt apartment structure on that propertyt and he replied yes. He said they had the plans all drawn £or both lots for i�2-units. P9r. �rlyman Smith said he thought someone who had an option to buy the land may have instigated the re2oning. Mrs. Schnabel said she felt they �rere kind of._grasping in the dark here. She stated she would feel much more comfortab2e in making a decision on this if they could see the actual architectural plans on this, Mrs. Schnabel stated she felt the petitioner himself was unclear in a number of areas, and she taould prefer that they continue this discussion at another time when the petitioner had actual plans which could be seen by the Cor�nission and the neighbors showing the number of parking stalls, o£fice spaces� etc. She said that at this point they were being asked to grant a blanket rezoning on something the petitioner himsel£ is not clear on what he wants to do. Mr. Leek said that in answer to the question regarding zoning, the ordinance which was passed in August, 1963, changed that area in question from R-1 to R-3. He then read to the Commission the code on setback requirements to adjacent districts. The rear yard could not be less than 25'� where a side yard atruts a street of a corner lot the side yard requirement was a minimum of 35', and the other side would be 15`. Chairperson Harris noted it would be very difficult to fit that building on the lot� and agreed with Mrs. Schnabel that he would also 13ke to see a plat p1an of the building. Mr. Wyman Smith asked why Staff hadn'i worked this out with them. He stated they paid $155 for this request and thought that Sta£f should communicate with them and work it out with them, h1rs. Schnabel asked if Staff had given them copies of the code pertinent to C-1 and C-2, and Mr. Wymen Smith said they were offered that information. He stated it was true they didn't know exactly what they wanted� but their aim was to try to use this lot, He said that if this possibility d3dn't make any sense, they would try something else. He explaa.ned that 17r. Leroy Smith wanted to have some knowledge if this could be rezoned before he hired an architect� as that usually involved a commitment of more than $1�000, and he wanted to avoid that until he found out if this proposal made any sense. He stated he thought they needed to work with Staff on this, and explained that he hadn't actually asked them for any help to this point. Mr. Langenfeld stated that he thought they could relate to item �Flt as a rezoning r , Planning Comm3ssion Meeting - September 22, 1976 Pa�e 17 '�' request, and not actua7.ly a construction approval, and could take it from there with stipulations. Mr. Bergman said that with parcels of land of substantial , size and of conLinuous zoning and without concerns for parki.ng capacities, he would agree with Mr. Langenfeld. However, he said, with a parcei of land this small and with the kind of proposed occupancy that had been mentioned, he 1 thought concerns were logical in regard to the kind of activi:y and tne par'cing question. He added that with concerns for those two items he personally . didn't feel in a position to feel posiLive about the rezoning at this point, Mr. Langenfeld noted that the fee was �155, which was a sizable amount of money. He said he agreed with Tirs. Schnabel in trying to obtain nore concrete ideas for the uses of this properiyJ rather than denying outright the request for rezoning. He said he also felt they were in the dark wit� regard to this item. " Mrs. Schnabel explained she was not necessarily asking the petitioner to go out and spend $I�000, but with the information that had come out at this meeti.ng and with review o£ the zoning ordinance with regard to putting th= building on this particular site, she thought the petiLioner nimself could possib2y cone up with a structure the size he vranted and that irould £it t�:e setbacks the City required, Sne ihought he alse might laant to pu� a little more thought into i£ he still wanted to nursue the assembly hall _dea �,ith the Imowledge of the parking reouirements, Mrs. Schnabel saic' that perha�s if she hadn't heard an assembly hall was planned� she 4:ou13 be a litt�e mcre disposed to act on the rezoning� but in light of what the neignbors h�d sGid she would be reluctant to vote foz• a rezoning. She added she iaould 'oe more inclzned Lo vote for a tabling motion to give the petitioner time to reassess the situation. P4r. Langenfeld agreed completely, 2nd said t'r.at at this point his vote taould also be a denial. He suggested they could come up with a better idea that would be more Feasible. Mr. Sympson stated that he realized 11r. Smith had oumed the lot for 1> ye2rs ar,d wanted to get his money out of it. He said that if ,ir. Smith could draw up a plan and make it attract_ve and fit on the lot wiih no parkir.g problems� this would be completely agreeable. He added that then he �,�ould have ro objection to the rezoning� and would be in favor of anything that would bring less people into bhe area. Mr. Leroy Smith stated that he thought the building would fit in completel,y with what was along Central Avenue and with 1�4edtron?cs. He said they nad 'oeen asked to bring a survey and a rough plan, and that is what they dic3. He stated that he hadn�t anticipated any problems with the neighbors and didn't want any problems with them. He added that he could see no use in tabling this, and said he would like to withdraw the request. Chairperson Harris stated he wished Mr, Smith would consult with his attorney be£ore he made that request, Mr. Wyman Smith stated that an attorney only did what his client requested, but he did wish to point out that one concern his client had was trying to do some- thing this £all be£ore the frost came in. ' Chairperson Harris said that before he closed the Public Hearing he wanted to mention that he had been playing with some fi�ures and he could only get about Planning Commission Meeting - September 22� 197b Page 18 12 or 13 parking spaces on that lot along with the building� with the required setbacks and green areas that must be maintained. He stated that even in the parking lot the City required a parking stall Lo be lOT x 20' in size, and there must be a place to back out of 25' to get out of the parking stall. He said that in trying to 1ay it out several different ways, the maximum he could get i.n parking stalls was 12 or 13. Mr. Risk said they might as we11 throw awzy the plan that was submitted since it wouldn'i £it, and would try to come up with a building that would fit on the lot and meet codes, He stated that they were trying to avoid a time lapse� and once it v�as rezoned it would be easy to fit a building on there. Chair- person Harris said that he couldn't in good conscience vote for a rezoning without ]mowing what would be on there. Mr, Laragenfeld asked if this request *�ou1d be good for six months if it was tabled, and Chairperson Harris said that was correct, but if it was denied the petitioner could not return £or six months to make another request, i�x. Bergman asked what affect the remaval of the reauest would have with regard to fee, and Mr. Harris said the peitioner would lose the fee. P4r, Leroy Smith stated that since he would have nothing to lose� he would like the request to be tabled. M�TION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Comr,iissian close tne Public Hearing on Rezoning Request Z�A #/76-05, by idyman Smith. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 11:25 P.rL MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Conmission table Rezoning Request ZOA #7b-OS, by Ylyman Smith, vntil the next meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 5. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. �%76-06 BY EVERETT Mt1DSEN: Split Lots 9 and 10� Block � Rice Creek Plaza North Addition� so tne new property line runs at an angle 6.1t0 feet £rom the existing Northwesterly corner of I.ot 1Q, to 36 feet northeasterly oY the :4esterly line of Lot 9, as per survey of record with the City� Parcel A describing the new lot line for Block 10� 2�6 Rice Creek Blvd, N.E., and Parcel B describing the neh� lot line £or B1ock 9, 250 Rice Creek Slvd. N.E. Mr. Everett P4adsen was present, He stated that he was the owner o£ Parcel A� and this request was a mutually agreeable situation between the two neighbors. Ae explained he had this house built when he was in I,os Angeles, and the builder made a mistake. He stated he felt it was a logical request, Mr. I.eek said that it was Staff's opinion that the request made sense, and was not objectionable to them. Mr. Bergman asked if both owners of Parcels A and B were present� and Afr, hiadsen stated that the owner of Parcel B, Mrs. Alurphy, was not interested in attending the meeting. Afr. Bergman asked if there was anything in writing from her� and Mr. Madsen said he was told that wasn't necessary. Air. Bergman stated that from what he could see, approval of this request would reduce the size of Parcel 9� ^' Planning Commission Meeting - September 22, 19T6 Page 19 and the oxner of Parcel B ought to therefore testify in writing that she agrees to the shrinking of that property. Mr. Madsen said he hadn't known it was necessary to have her signature, but he would get it, � Mr. Madsen asked if it was any concern of the Planning Commission or the City Council the amount of funds that would exchange hands. Chairperson Harris � explained Lhat in :�finnesota it would be necessary to give Mrs. Murphy a dollar and other valuable considerations to make it legal and binding, but it was no concern o£ the Plrinning Commission or Council how much money exchanged hands, MOTTON by Sh�, secanded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission recorimend to Council approva'_ of Lot Split Request L.S. �j76-06, by EveretL hiadsen: Split Lots 9 and 10, Block 1�, Rice Creek Plaza North Addition, so the neGr property line runs at an angle 6.1�0 feet fram the existing Northxesterly carner of Lot 10� io 36 feet northeasterly of the Westerly line of Lot 9, as per survey of record with the City� Parcel A describing the new lot line for Block 10, 2L6 ,�ice Creek Blvd. N.E., and Parcel B describing the new lot ].ine for Block 9� ?50 Rice Creek Blvd.� N.E.� with the stipulation that A1r, Madsen obtain a written statement from Dtrs, Murphy stating this is a mutually agreeable situatioa. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, 6. LOT SPLIT RE�UEST; L.S. ,�76-07 BY F3P.NK VOTH: Split the 4Jest 210 feet oi' Lot 9� Auc'_tor's Subdivision Ido. 9, into three parcels as fo22ows: Parcel 1(5601 Arthur Street N.E.) The Souih 80 Feet of the �rlest 210': Parcel 2(5805 tix'thar Street t:.E.) The Forth 80 Feet of the South'i20 feet o£ the Sdest 2I0 feet: Parcel 3(58D9 Arthur Street N.E.? The l�est 210 feet of Lo� 1t9, except the South 160 feet thereo£: a� measured along the 47est line of said Lot �9, and all parcels subject to an easement !'or road purposes over the West 30 £eet. Mr. Frank Voth was present. Mr. Leek stated that Staff ha3 no problem with the loi split itself, but felt there were two considerations. He said that Staff Felt perhaps this should go to the Parks and Recreation Commission as currently the garage on Parcel /#3 was two feet on park property, and also, there was a road easement of 20' going through the middle of that garage. He added this was all zoned R-1. Mr. Voth stated that Mr, and A7rs, Jacob 'diens had lived on the property since 19�t�� and they would like to be able to straighten out the matter oS the gargage and the lot split, However, he said� at the current time they had Mr. S•diens' abstract being coniinued at Anoka Title� and added that wasn�t done for many years. He showed the Commissioners on the survey where Mr. Wiens� property was� and which pro�erty was now being ded4cated by Darrel Farr as park property, Mr. Voth stated that he would like to take care of the matter of the lot split first as he wished to build a house this fall, and would immediately thereafter take care of the other matter at a later daie following any recommendations Pxom Council, Chairperson Harris commented that the lat sizes appeared to be more than adequate, and asked i£ there was any necessity for drainage or utility easements. Mr. Voth Planning Commission rleeting - September 22, 1976 Page 20 � replied that serv3.ces were in and power lines were up. Mr. Bergman stated that he was of the impression that the intent here was to establish Parcels one and two Sor building purposes, and that these parcels were on the East side of Arthur Street; the garage infringement was on the wildlife center; and the park dedication from Darrel Farr was on the East end of the property. Nts�. Voth said that ro�as correct. Mr. Harris asked if access would be of£ of Arthur Street� and Mr, Voth replied that was correct. Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Voth if he had been talking to City Administration with regard to the right-o£-way and the infringement� and Air. Voth answered he had, Mr. Leek said that actually there were three considerations� the third being the minor consideration of the shed. I�7r. Voth explained that h�•. i�Jiens did not use the shed� but did keep up the maintenance on it.in order to keep up the appearance, even though it was not on his property, ;4r. Bergman asked if it was Mr. Voth's intention to get back to Darrel Clark regarding a2ternatives for the two considerations, and Mr. 'Joth said he would. t-irs, Schnabel asked who owned lot ly5 to the North, and P1r. Voth replied that w�as parK area, MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Com�ission reco�nmend to City Council approval of Lot Split Request L.S. �€76-07 by Frank J. Voth: Sp1it the 4Jest 210 feet o£ Lot �9� Auditor's Subdivision No. 1t9, into three parcels as follows: Parcel 1(5f301 Arthur Street N.E.) The South 80 feet of the West 210': Parcl 2(5805 Arthur Street N.E.) The North 80 feet of ihe South 120 feet of the YJest 210 feet: Parcel 3�5809 Arthur Street N.E.) The V7est 210 feet of Lot lt9, except the South 160 feet thereof: a11 measured alor.g the t�lesi line o£ said Lot l�°, and all parcels subject to an easement for road purposes over the 14est 30 feet, and requesting o£ i�:r. Voth continued communication with City Administration concerning two somewnat related elements: 1) right-of-way� and 2) infringement on park property. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ' ' ' ' J MOTI�N by Bergman� seconded by Langen£eld� that the Planning Commission direct the encroachment of the garage on Parcel #3 to the Parks and Recreation Corunission. � Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unaninously. Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 11:50 P.A1. ancl reconvened the meeting � at 12:10 A.1�I. 7. WItITTEN SURVEY POLICY Mrs. Shea noted that this was the same information that had been received at the last meeting, and the Commission had just requested that it be made into written policy. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission conaur with the Administrative Policy on Survey Requirements as written. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, � L' ' ' � ' ` ' f Plr3nning Commission Meeting - September 22, 1976 Page 21 8, REVIEW OF PROPOSr."D MAINTENANCE CODE MOTIQN by Shea� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission table the review o£ the porposed maintenance code unti2 the next meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voti.ng aye, the motion carried unani.mously. 9. CONTINUED; DISCUSSTON ON GARAGE REQUIRErfENTS FOR SIP7GLE FA2�IIL" EO: �S MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the Planning Review on Single Family Garge Requirements. Upon a voice voie, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Comrnissioa table the discussion on gar2ge requirenents for single £amily homes until the next meeting. Upon a voice votea all voting aye� Lhe motion carried unanimousi�. 10. C6NTINUED: HUAIAN DEV�LOP`�NT GpALS AND OBJECTIVES MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Schnabe)., that the Planning Cor�mission table the discussion on Human Development Goals and Objectives�until the next meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimousl?. ].1. RECEIVE HUI4IAV EtESOURCES C0.•44ISSION PdINUTES: SEPTEP4BER 2 197b MOTION by Shea, seconded by Schnabel� that the Planning Commission receive the minutes o£ the September 2, 1976 Auman Resources Co.�nnission meeting. Mr. Langenfeld noted on page 51 the review on goal areas for humar, developr..ent, and stated he was g2ad to see somebody �ras working on it. He asked if this was actually going to be proposed to the Planning Commission, and '"ss. Shea replied it was sinply their input to the Planning Commission. :�Ir. Lan6enfeld commented that the Planning Corrriission should bear this in mind when t^ey discussed Human Development Goals and Objectives. Pir. Bergman suggested it would be pertinent to request Staff to include pages 51 and 52 of the "r.uman Resources Commission minutes in the next a�enda under the discussien of goals. Chairperson Harris said that with regard to the Teen Center� they have had several meetings and were drawing up the by2aws and articles of incorporation to operate under. He stated they had met and looked at the facility� and it was his opinion that ihe facility was very inadequate. Pir. Harris said they were endeavoring to work with the District 11� schools to obtain a different locaiion, but were meeting with some resistance £rom their staff, He added that hopefully tl;is project would be off the ground and they would be able to hold elections for their Board early next month. UPON A VOTCE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 12. RECEIVE APPERIS COMMISSION AITNUTES: SEPTEhISER IS I976 MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive ,P2anning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b Page 22 4� ' the m3nutes of the September 1$, 197b Appeals Commission meeting. Chairperson Harris commented that it seemed to him that lately they had been getting a lot of petitioners through here that weren't vern� well prepared. UPOtd A VOICE VOTE, a7.1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Shea stated that she didn't want to insult anybody, but she did have a complaint about this Com^iission, She said she thought they rrasted a lot oF time because the Corunissioners did not go to look at the property that was to be discussed be£orenaaid� and she felt that maybe they could do iheir home- work a little bit better. I�fr. Bergr•�an said that he would like� through the minutes� to request of City Administra'tion that steps be taken to more promptly type and provide minutes fro:n the Cor�rnunity Development Commission. For ex�nple, he said, their meeting i,�as a week ago tonight� and he didn't know �rhy their minutes couldn't oe before this Commission with that amount of time to type them, He requested that some attention be given to that. ADJOURNt�1EidT: MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Shea, thai the meeting be adjourned. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperso.n Harris declared tkie Planning Commission meeting of September 22� 1976� adjourned at 22:32 P.j'i. by t�nanim�us vote. Respectfully submitted, ` ' m�' �./. \,;��; »rrr 1 —1 �i -�/—?� ��rc Sherri 0'Donnell `J Recording Secretary r� _ , � � 1 ' of �-ic;n:. r;oricc CITY OF FRTDLf:Y PlluIIC HCARitdG f;EFORE THE PLAiiiallVG COi4t�tISS101�! TO YlNOt� IT i�iAY CDt�CERN: �3 ._. � � . . Notice �is herehy gi��en that there vti?i be a Public F!earing of th� Planning Co�:;n;ssion of the City of Fridley in tiie City Ha71 aL 6431 Uni:�ersit; Aven�se Ilortheast on Wedresday, Septe�r�.er 22, 7976 in the Counc�l Cha��ber �at 7:30 P.P1. for the purpos�e of: Consideration of a proposed preliminary p1at, P.S. �76-Do, C,entra? Tc�r;nF:ouse Adci �ion, by Evert S�rrecnson, being a replat of Lot 19, er.cept the F.ast 190 �eet ihereof, and exrert the t�iest 1/ feet t�.l:en i=or tii;��,ray purEOS�s, a.nc� the I;est 147.74 of Lot l2, a?1 in Nuditor's Subdivision fdo. 129, to a71cti•r d2ve'op!neni of a 3't unit tc�.rnhouse site, lo��ted in the North f�alf of Sectioi; 12, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anai:a, I�irn=sotu. Generu'ly located at 7325 Ceriti•al Avanae h.�. Anyone desiririg to be heard t:�ith reference to the above �atte� !�:a?� bn hearc! at ti�is t:me. RICHARD H. HARRIS CNAIR�IAN PLAt�NIN6 COD;�tISSIOPa ' Puhlish: Septe;tiber F3, 1976 Septe;»i�ei° 15, 1976 ' � , , � �"'"`� ' CI1'Y OP PRIDLCY MINNf:SOTA PLANNING AND ZONING PORM ' NUhfI3CR ���7�-D�� : � .. (`_• �C' APYLICANT`S SIGNA7'URG` ' � ��� ' : �7 �J '/ ' Address.-�C.j,1' /1-�iZC/�%�£� �LGa� / / � ' Telephonc Number -� �� � — � � � � ' PROPERTY OIVNLR'S � Ad dres s�-:(� , Telephone Number TURB�: "�/�" /<.' 7 Street Location of Property �< ' o� � �� TYPG OF RCQUHST � � Rezoning Special Use Pennit �_ Approval of Premin- inary $ Final Plat Strcets or Allcy Vacations Other Fee �3'�' �J�j��c� � Receipt No. Legal Descriptioii oi Property _ / : Present Zoning Classification�__Existing Use of Property j.: i/.L'2 ��� Acreage of Property ��� � j� j�-� Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification � /�� �� or type of use and impro���ment propose�`� /G`Zr'� ��.t-�IL=` �[� � ���� G��=r� ����� � Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a]ot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? li yes no. H9iat was reqiiesied and tiahen? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) Tltis application must be si�ned by all owners of the property, or an esplanation given why Lhis is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedin�s resulting from the failurc to list the names and addresscs of all residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to tlie undersigned. A sketcli of proposed property and structure must be dra�an ancl attaclied, sho�aing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Lucation of proposccl structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and frmit and side setUacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (within 300 feet). ' 'I7�e undersigncd hereby declares that all.the facts and applicat�n arc true and corrcct. ,� ,- ; ��� ' DATG � ( _Z�SIGNATUI'���� ����J'�Jl��� (�AI ' IGAN'I') ' Date Filed Date of Elcari , Planning Commission Approved (dates) Dcnicd City Council Approvcd (dates) Denicd ions stated in tliis rc-� � , btailing list 70A l,'76-03 I:VERT S51A.hJ5�Jil Part of Lots 1&' and 19 11.5. 11129 ' t4r. & P1rs. Jol�n Dickenson 1360 Onondaya P1�E. Fridley, I�n 55432 t�1r. & Mrs. Dougtas [3ec{:1 i« 1405 Onoitdaga i�l.E. Fridley, I•in 55432 Mr. � F�rs. Rober� Grant 7314 Hayes St;-eet Id.E. Fridley, i�in 55432 hir. & Mrs. t�ichae7 Konf. usch 1398 Fireside Drive fV.Eo fridley, P1n �5432 t•ir: & Mrs. Dennis Czeck 1395 Onondaya Street Iv.E. Fridley, 14n 55432 Mr. Charles �itxan 7360 Fireside D1"1VF (d.Eo Fridle��, M:�i 5�432 Mr. & tfrs. Harold Tied2n 13�5 Orondaga Street Id.E. Fridley, t•4n 55432 A J L& S Investr�ient Co:npany 7500 l.�niversity Avenue N.E. Fridley, f4n 55432 f4r. & Ftrs. Robert Carlson • 5214 36th Avenue N. • St. Petersburg, florida 33710 Mr. & D1rs, Lloyd Knutson 1366 Ononc�aga Sireet N.Eo Fridley, Pin 55432 P1r. & Pirs. Ci�ester Cole 138?_ Onondaga Street N.E, Fridley, Pin 55432 Mr. & Pirs. Ray Fessc 1390 Onondana Strc�t N.E. fridlcY, Mn 55q3? M��. & h1rs. ba��id Porath 74� Po l k Strcet fd.l=. 14inncapolis, A;�i 55�i1 � � iurni in j ............... �. .�.___.� .� `� 2ci Councit __ __ _ __ Planning Commission 9-2-76 P.S. #76-08 Central Townhouse Additioh Same petitioner, same legal description Mr. Kevin Olson 1370 Fireside Drive Iy.E. Fridley, Mn 55G32 t+lichael W. Bayer 73II1 Onondaga fJ.E. Fr�idley, hin 55432 Arl ine E. Sal:a 73�}5 Certral Avence Pl.E. �ridley, ii�-� 554"s2 f•1ro & t�rs. h!�lroy I:ruGerud 7356 Nayes Street 1;.E. Fridley, I-in 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Albert P::,:�, er 7370 Hayes Street ��.F. Fridleys I���i 55G32 1�1r, Evei-t St,�anson 258 4lindsor Lane tdew Bri a,hton , ;�;n 5'il � � I•1ro & 1�1rs. La���rance hicCaue 732$ Haye.s Sireet ,3.E. Fridley, �in 55432 Mr. & M�°s. Donald Nvrland 7342 Hayes Str•eet IJ.E. fridley, hin 55432 Jeanette ft. Huber 7300 Hayes Street fr.l=. Fridley, i�:n 55432 P1r. & Pirs. Clarence fosse 1367 73rd Aver.ue PJ.E. Fridley, I�i;; 55432 t+ir, & hii�s. John Young 7343 Hayes Str�et fV.�. Fridley, hfn 55?32 Mr. & Pirs. Arthur Seger 1401 73rd Av��nue h.E. Fridley, iin 55�}32 Pir. & hirs� Flmer Hallatz 7395 Ilayes Si.rcet N.C. Fridlcy, Pin 55432 � , , , , ' � , ' , ' , �� � � , � �4ailing List Page 2 7_011 !176-03 Evert Svranson I�Ir. Russell P.ankin 73II5 Hayes Street N.E. fridley, 1�1n 55rE32 tdr. f� Mrs. James Ninricks 73551iayes Streeti N.E. Fridley, ttn 55432 Mr. & 14rs. Royer Fredrick 7371 Hayes Street N.Eo Fridley, P1n 5543'L John D. 6abinski 1290 73rd Avenue N.E. ' Fridley, Mn 55432 John WD Haluptzok Route 2, Box 3fil Forest Lake, Mn 55025 Mr LeP.oy Halupzok 1240 73rd Avenue N.E. °F�•idley, Mn 55432 Fir. & hirso Clifford Thoe 725G Central F.venue N.E. Fridle��, �1n 55n32 Walter & Floyd 6ustavson 7410 Certral Avenue NoE. Fridley, hin 55432 Onan Corperation 1400 Central f,venue N.E. Fridley, Mr. 55432 P1r. Michael Vir�iig 13G5 - 73th Avenue N.E. Fridley, A1n. 55432 �� Also Page 2 for: P.S. #76-08, Central Townhouse Addition-. Evert Swanson 'r" ..Y�rn9 fir.r./.�Y.in�. . � � --------------- ----�`— � ���y� � ' ZOA. � 76-03 Evert S�lanso , I+ZJCi yi/icnGO�imef.'e (i1G6vo[/ ' • . . " (4E9oJ 69dF<. ��y��: W �2• ,3�,s�,� � e:,� y .8 � t 1 I !c I ��!� [ � ��' � . .. .. - � �v �. f�. i "t'�;i .'' � � ! ��`� �z` �.�� �.�1 �s ��� �� �� Cd��, ' , � '� . 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P/;'.{_;h.:c ? �n f;ING. i0� h�N( A6i ;;,1�, : t, �I;;i. 144 i'i,'r_ s 5 FOG_,LK,hWhN�,ON Clv! , , �k'.!�II�'-1:�;�� !°h;0 /Y :�:: ; F�.., i.;� �;�,. ;'IN �1f'L'�,i,l�i'!i� ; r..�llri i'I!: � if., i7_',. ��1'C• f�.�.3-�+�r. , �,. :�' ''E'' oFrictr,� ;,orrr,� CIT'f OP PRIDLEY PU3LIC ItEAR�(tr, 13EFORE TH� PLAI��;It�S COi,'4ISSI0!v' TO 41110:'�i IT hi(iY CO„CtRi`!: �9 IJotir.e is herehy giv2n that thei°e �•�ill he a Public fiearing of the Plaruiing Co„a:iissiori of tlie City of Pridley in �Le City Nall at 6�131 Urii�rer- sity Ave��ue fiortheast on 4lednesday, Septer.�ber 22, 1976 in thz Council Gh,�:�ber at 7:30 P.;9. foi° *Le purpose of: Considetation of a rezo�:ing reeuesi, ZOA ;`76-05, by 4�yman Srnith, to rezone the Easter?y 200 fee� of Lot, 13, ex.cep� the i�or-t;erly 30 feet thereof; also *he Easterl�� 50 fee� t!?ereoi, (luditor's Subdivision ;io. 84, frcm R-3 (cer;�ral multiple family dt-;ellings} to C-1 (lcra7 business areas) or C-2 (yencral busincss areas), to alio�,� th� coi�s:ruction of a speculativP building io be used fcr offices and asser�blies, located ir the Sou�h Haif or" Sectior. 17_, T-30, P.-24, City of Fridiey, Ceu��ty cf An�!:a, t1irr�eseta. Genei°all� loca�ed on the �outh side of Piorton Avciiue �.�. ti��here it ih.e�sec±s ;•:iih Central Hvenue N.E. Anyone desirir�y to b•a heard �•rith reier2nce to the abo��e rnatter may be heard at this time. RICHAF.D H. HA?RIS CHA: Ri1�!,�! PI_ANfd11vG COI�iT4ISSI0i� Publisi�: Septe�uber 8, 19i6 � Septeuiber 15, 1976 � �J ' , � ,�rM^r C.ST`l OP PRIDLf:Y AiTSthliSUTA . � PLANNING AND ZONIhG PORM T1UhSi3CR ✓i�tl %�o - (1SJ APPLIC/�VT'S SIGNATURf_ jnJ VM�N ��1 /�� Address / Z sd i�u e � ���t S �� G� - M�t-s STL/oZ Telephonc Number__��. �f _ /�/�� / _ PROPCRTY OIVNER'S SIG�ATURE Address � � �7 ,�'�''^r"� � � � Telephone Number �p y � � � � r Streei i.ocation of Property_ �Z�M � " " `'"" " , 30. / � , �1�� .�r `.. 7'YPL OP REQU@ST Rezoning Special Use Permit ppproval of Premin- inary $ I'inal Plat Streets or.Alley Vacations Other Fee /s,5 Receipt No. %� �S Legal Description of Property v- s' �'^""' -" - '�f� ��� Present Zoning Classification�_Existing Use of Property !��' Acreage of Property Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and inprovement pr�posed ��� - Z ��i!!?.� f/Lt� Has the present applican't previously souglit. to rezone, plat, oUtain a lot split o variance or special use permit on the siiUject site or part of it? yes no. IVhat Has reqiiested an� when? 'I'he wldersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property taithin 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) Tliis application must be signed by all oivners of the property, or an c�planation given i�hy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting ::om the fai.lure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property oti<<ners of property in qucstioii, Uelongs to tlic undersigned. A sketch o£ proposcd property and structure must Ue drawn and attaclied, sho��ing the follo�;ing: 1. P;orUi Direction. 2. Location of yroposed structure on thc lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (witliin 300 feet) The widersigned hcrcby declares that all applicati n are true and correct. DATE_i���---II �'�/�'--�-�SIGNAI'URE � Date Filed the facts and representations stated in this Date of Hearing � Planning Commission Approved (datcs) Aenicd City Council Approved (dates) Denied MAILINC LIST ZOA #76-05, WYMAN SMITH Part of Lot 13, A.S. #89 from R-3 to C1 or C-2 Wyman Smith 1250 Builders Exchange Minneapolis, Mn 55402 Leroy B. Smith 1212 44 1/2 Avenue N.E. Columbia Heights, Mn 55421 Medtronic, Inc. 6970 Central Avenue N.E. , Fridley, Mn 55432 Onan, Inc. 1400 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Tillie B. Berglund 7112 Central Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Rustic Oaks Corporation 212 South 6th Street Minneapolis, Mn 55402 Mr. & Mrs. Earl Dunbar 1245 Norton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Ruth J. Norton 1251 Norton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Tri-00. Builders 7555 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Joan E. King 1301 Norton Avenue N>E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Dale Norton 3434 West 60th Street Chicago, Ill 60629 Ernest R. Kutzik 209 Snelling Avenue North St. Paul, Mn 55104 Planning Commission 9/7/76 �i � Council �T�" . Yhone: Crli,:nwaacl 3-8352 7'gh°�- 3-s/ �� � Z ' ' �'�.���.��f�� �. �F���°�`�i . Rt�ietcred Feofcs�ionat Engisua asd Land Survcyor . 2030 Fast Wayuta Soulevard Wayuta, 1Vlinacaota �t�� �� ������ OF PROPtATY OF � E1Po✓ � v�'1 �YN' /333 OSii.>2uF �a. /�!� -S�f�3Z r descSibed �s fpllows• TNE ��y 2oo.ao� ac �or / 3y E�.rLEAT N t� 3D� i�:EREOF i�cso E,r�EpT rNF 1E � v S-D `T�+'lRCOF AND �TOQ�� �Ld�Zi/!//S/ON �O O /� /y1✓O/<Fi �OG(NT� �INN, Scale: 1 inci= '�•O r�, � o A ` o � , r 0 �T�� --- 2oc�.00--• A+ ���7��s.o' v-� I" ^�L.i+t oc .Ler /3 I a ��� EKGEP'r"/oN /���°�%��b M — 'ry�'a� `�oJ I��o,00 M h a � �� b � IJ � � �3 I , ,, v � �= � , 0 l� o �f a . �, ; ro s, , . � _, .� i a _,_, ,.� ��i� o) __ Zo,2so= SQ.Fr, D, 1�5: Acet^ . so. ``' - -- - zoe.00 --- SLV L.N� or Cor /3 TIFICATE OP ION OF DUII.DDfG I hereby ce ' that o -�"� 3@� I m survey af th posed location buildinQ on the a described p ty and that the tion ot said 6uildi ' correctty shv on the above t r SD � I � t � � � . , � �I�M� �. o� A � °e a ; � �� Q o � v (� / �; m 4 , o ��� � � U �tI�2 �. 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TO 4�FI0.�7 IT MAY CONCERN: OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEX PUBLIC IIEARING BEFORE TFIG PLF�NNING COt•tI+IISSION 3� Notice is hereby given that there o�i].1 be a Public Fleazing of the Planning Co*nmission of the City of I'ridley in the City FIall at 6431 Univer.sity Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, June 9, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. tor the purpose of; Consideration of a Preliminary Plat, P.S. #76-05, Innsbruck North Replat 3rd Addi-�ion, by Parrel P. Farr Dcvelopment Corporation, beiny a replat of that part oi Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition; desctibed as follows: yats 1 to 4 incl.•.isive. 91cck 211 Lota 1 to 4 inciu:vive, illcc'r, 22t Lots 1 to 4 inclusiv^, .^.3:oc't ??7 Lots 1 to 4 inclusi.ve. ;Ixi 24t Lots 1 to li L•:cL•�?i.ee, 31oc;c 25� Lots 1 to 4 inci.,t:sive, ii�_oc't 2F�� alsn that part cf T,o+. I, 91oc:: 29 desczi.Sed as follovrs� 3eF,inning at tiic r.orth�cast cr..^.:ar o!' s^.ic1 31ock 21� ti;ence "Iorth 9 dc:i'-"s.^.s yJ nir.ute� i:k .,;:com?; �,tast u dista.nce o.° 16 feett 4hence Fio;th 3i dz;;=ce:: U? '+!':'_t.:s L;acend. ._:st a distaner, of 3? feetr thence Snuth 9 de:*rec�� 50 minui:ea b3 �econ�ls :ia,t a distance oT 1G feot- to t'�c nortihe�st: ccrner of sai.d Block 21; therce tio the ;�aint of t•�e,;in��i�;;t - . also that p;irt cf I.ot 1, '_ilec:�. °S descrihed as folLows�. Be(;innin� at ti�e noi•th:•:ost ce��_-ier o' said Block 22� thence !9oi�tli Z de,,c.ees 3<7 n;m:t.e '�:e-± a Ci;it<i::ce o* 10 fcetr t.hence -t7oT�th R7 d.c,'?•ecs ':� :sinu-'-es �=.st a disi:ance of 33 feett thence South 2 d:�;(rae:; 39 r�i-dut:::� �`:.�[ a dis'•:nnce oi 10 zeet to the northaast coi�i^_r of �c:ici slve; '2; tiic:�cc to the poini oi b::,;innin„t al3o thaC pa.^t oi i,o! 1, ^loc'- 2A �ie�c;ibed as follovis� � �IIerinnin,;. ^'. +,?�e e;ou:?u::i;t co:�:i�r oi ,aid P.locn 22t th2nce South 2 de>rees i9 nim:t�xs :i^.:�: s zi:ianc� of (i ieeti thence South �y degrces 21 :-:zaut^s %'r.st i riis!^::cc o`.' 33 rect� thenr,e North 2 de�i.n,,; 3� ;ainti�t.,a ei;�st a,._.tr,ttc.� o: o feet to t�c southwest - eorner of ^:�id SL�cic ?2t th=ncc to the noint of L-eginning� � � - also that �art oi Lot 1, �lack .'.8 dae,ct'ibed as follov:s+ Oe�in�iin„ at ti:^ sovth�': st ccr.�er o1' sai.d iilock 73� thence South y det:rees OC c:imates �+I secur:d� ca.^.t a dis*-ance of 1G feet� Lhence � South 92 d.^;rees 59 nin•i•',e� 1�� ❑aconds >�est n dist^ncr o!' 33 £cet� � thence trorth 7 de;tnr.s 00 mi�i�t�s 41' ^,econds 'Nest fl di^•tance of lb feet to tl:e south�=est conier of �aid alcc;c 23� thenc.e to tha point . of beginning� � � � nlso thst. F�rt of Lo: 1, �lec� 2;S dear,ribed as follo•xs� Reginnin� at [tia northwcsC cornar of �ri.id ::lock 1.4t the.nce Narth a di.tsincc of 15 Ieeti ther.ce i'.n.^,c � di:.tanee of �"J fertt Lhr.nce South a Si::tance o!' ln :cet tu tl�c northeu�L cornur of +;aid illock 2�i1 thenca to tho poln[ oC llcrinningt , -«_. -. � Page 2 � atuo that pxrt of I.ot 1, °luck ?� deccrlb•^,d as follo�,+s� IIe�lnnin�; nt t,hr: .outl;rant corner ot' :;ni.d Alock 25r thence South ��� 1� de�;rr.e:; 77 rnin!ite� �1 .^,r.r.oaA:; a Aiat^.nr_e of lo fectt thence tiortit �6 <i�•grries 2G minut.e; L9 secona+; 'ricct a dlslanae of j3 fect� � thenec North iJ de.^,recs 3) minutes 41 :^conCr Ea�:t a distance of 16 feet�to thr, aouthwnat corner of saiA Illock 25t thence to the pnint of Ueginni.nf; i � � also that �?art ot I,ot 7, Alock 2fl de�r,rtbed as foll.ars� Bertnnin� et the southeast corner oC said 91ock 26t *-!��nce South 11 de�;rrns 41 rr�in�.�tns 11 r;r,c�od, We,t a distahce e` 1G t'eet� . tl�ence NorLh �L? der;r��� li' �^�i.nut^.^, 49 seconAs w'r^t a disCance of � 33 f^-�`� =�enr_a tlarth 11 derrees ��1 !nS.nu�te3 11 secnnds �..et a di,ta.^,co oS 15 feet to i:ha south�.ve9t corner of �aid Block 25i thence to the poSnt of t>r�;i.r.ningt � all lyiny in the South l;alf of Secti.on 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and � South�of�Meister Road N.E. . Anyone desiring to be heard�with re£erence to the above r.iatter wi�l be heard at this meeting. � � � � � � � � Publish: May 26, 1976 June 2, 1976 RICHAR7"H. HARRIS CFiAIRMAN pLANNING COMA'SISSIO� , . 3'� m � ' ' CITY Or FRIDLEY p1INYGSOTA t � � P ,LlINNING AI�D ZO�ING l�Olthl NUMRER ��- %� � oS TYPE OF REQOGST APPLICAN'P'S STCNA'I'U12H �''��yrai .;� .=a�.- l��srrjcp,,,rn7 Ca+-� Rezoning Address -�?RC� f/a,,✓„ 77 ""` =?��� ,L;'o�' �S`�"[g Special Use Permit Telephone NumUer :' C<> O =' ! �� � PROPCR7'Y OW\GR'S STGNATURB _ l;t �+; e� Address Telephone NumUer'_ Street Locatimi of Property �� �-� T ? �o . ; t ., � ;r � Legal Description of Property ..' ' ��;"�� ����. �'- -r:-:': r�-' !� Approval of Premiit- inary $ Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other -� .✓ Fee j Q Receipt No.SI� � Present Zoning Classification �"' ' Existing Use of Property Acreage of Property DescriUe Uriefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed __:',:.-,,-z �- __ , � ,• : r(Irnr.f I+.i..C��� %�� Ft'�i± li, /'r� .�l� .i�. . . u� ,. ,. , . . - _� Has tlie present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, oUtain a lot split or variance or special use yermit on the subject site or yart.of it? ' yes no. iVhat was requested and whcn? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all resi.dents and owners of property wi.thin 300 fect (35C1 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this applicati.on. (6) This application must be si�ned by all o�aners of tne prcperty, or an explanation given �ehy this is not. the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in tlie preceedings resulting from the failurc to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in qucstion, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of �roposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing thc following: 1. Nortli Dircction. 2. Location of proposed st�vcture on the le.t. 3. Aimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setUacks, 4. Street Names, 5. Location and use of adjacent eaisting Uuildings (r:ithin 300 feet). �The undersignecl hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. DATE � `%. ,',.. /3 , SIG�ATURG C� -'' -,% , '_ _- �" ' t(APPLICAU'I') t% • Date Filed Date of ticaring Planning Commission Approvecl ' (dates) Dcnicd_ m City Council Approved (datcs) Denicd � ' ' , ' - , � , � , ' ' , lJ L�J ' ' � MAILZIdG LIST P S• 8p A76-OS Darrel Farr Devel�pment Corp Replat Blocks 21-26 to Lots 1-6 to allow 2- 2 car garages and 2 single car garages in each block Ms. Pamela J. Braun 5562 Meister Road N.E Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Donald J. Kunshier 5558 t�eister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55932 Mr. Daniei Shaw 5554 Meister Road N.E FridLey, Mn. 55432 Mr. James Hanson 5550 Meister Road N.E Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Margaret Schweizer 5546 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Karl Klopfer 5542 Meister Road N.F.. Fridley, :�In. 55432 Mr. Stepher Tollison 5538 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Paul Leibman 5534 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Alice Shaughnessy 5530 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Susan Sisson 5526 hteister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Donald Olmstead 5522 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Harry Zook 5518 P]eister Road N.E. Ftidley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Kent Koch 5514 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Robert Cargill 5510 Meister Road N.E Fridley, t4n. 55432 Mr. Richard Nafstad 5575 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 3� Ylanning Commission , j .Z 5 = �� Mr. Terry Wiley 5571 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Mary Blisha 5565 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. James Kinq 5561 E. Bavarian Pass Ixridley. Mn• 55432 Mr. Douglas Van Arkel 5563 E. Bavarian Pass Fri3ley, N,n. �5432 Mr. Ronald Ferkingstad 5567 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, rin. 55432 Mr. Thomas Hummel 5545 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, p1n. 55432 Mr. William Goon 5541 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Ann Neher 5543 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. James Pries 5547 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Murray Heatley- 5533 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Wayne Bothun 5535 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Pln. 55432 Mr. Lynn Castner & Ms. Deonne Parker 5537 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Charles Franke 5529 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Steven Kessel 5525 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Shirley Dir.key 5531 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. John Becker 5521 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Nfn. 55432 Ms. Edward Englund 5517 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Gary Oclegaard 5519 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Linda Borry 5523 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Leonard Rutte'r 5540 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. David Johnson 5544 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Lorin Woods 5542 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Richard Sharpe 5578 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 l ` �. 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She asked for clarification on Lhat matter, t'�r. 13oardman explained t,hat thr. Communit,y Schools are di1'ferent from the School Board, and tiiey are the ones that made the offer. A7rs. Gabel asked what the Communit,y S�hools do, ar.d N,r. Eoardman answered that they have the Fi.ne Arts Com,rnitt�e, theatricals, cit,y band, etc. He added thai there r�ere people from llistrict 14 who •were involved in Ca,�m�miCy Schools, but it is not necessari.ly tied Lo the Sc�ool Board. �2 Chaj.rperson Ha°ris noted that the Parks and Hecreation Commission had Svr;r.ed a Recreation Study Project Comn�itt°e, and said that ti.fienever a project co,,,r.iittiee is Sormed it should be requested that the Chairperson of that Com�niss�o.^. submit the naries o; the people on the project con�mittee so it could go te the City Council. Mr. Boarcinan said ihey would then keep a ri:nnir.� aceu7i of project committees and r:hat they are active in� and the Cor�m�ssions k•eul.' be able to ke�p an up-to-date account o� those co�r�r.iii,ees and xiio e:as involveri, , Mr. Bergman stated that �he Coranunity Developnent Cora�reiss:on had two prcject comrt�,ittees now; a sign committta and ^nother for bike and v.al3:�..ays. 'tie s«id that bike and �ual}c•iays was a controversial topic and t^ere eaould be som.e � discussion on it. H� co.^imenied tnat tne one on Mississippi St^eet :�eol:ed like a two-lane street instead o£ a bike lane. i�ir. P,oardran stated tha� i��e bike system was not oS£icialiy op2ned vet, ar.d ihat strip�n; and sign_ng , were not completed yet, Mr, BoarcL^�an explained that the Couni•y had agread to a bike system and t?iey had recei�ed some Federal monies that the,y hr.:l Lo spend or lose� and tnat is uhat thev did, rie further eanlained that �i:e monies set aside bv the Fede:a2 Government were for edge strioir,g. �;r. ' Bergman stated that a goodly share of those stripes that ::ci•e put. do::m :•:ere in the xrong place� and mar�Y were r�orn o£f alread,y. 1dr. 13oardma� said tnat was because they hent through a�zinter and winters xere very tou�;h on =tripina. 1. PUBIIC IiEARTNU: R£QUEST FOR A SPF.CIAL USE PER211T, SP ,`-�76-07,_ BY_d.4tiCY 1•;EL6Ic.: 'Po a11ow a child care center for ten children, per xr�dley Git,y Code, Section 207.051, 3, F, in an P,-1 Zone (single fasnily dwelling arcas), to be located on Lot 12, Block 3, Afeadow:noor Terrace Addition, the sar;e being 131t6 Aieadowmoor Drive Pi.E. Chairperson Harris informed Mrs. Tfelbie that tliere wasn't a quorum present so they could not hold a public hearing. Slie astced if this would be resclieduled Sor the next Planning Commission'meeting� and he replied it would be. 2, PUBLIC }iEARIP.G: CONSIDEi.ATTOP: OF A PR�'LPITNARY PI,:1T, �S, Ll76-OK, jN�S5RUC6 h012Tii� Iii:PLh'1' Tdl:iil AtillliJ���v' ;�l O:;t�tv,b A. FAti1� ll:'.41�,L(1;����.ft ,vu!(`;d: i;fi_r�� a replat o2' Lots 1 Lo t inc]usivc,, Slocks 21 thr�u�;h ; o, :vid .i:Le;o part o2' Lot 1� I�lock 2f3, Innsbrucl: North Towizhou�es 1'hird . Addition, to allow chaciec . in tlie size o£ garnt;es, �;enerall,y located on the West side of �s�ti Savarian Puss m�d South of Meister Road N.F.. t...T , '�'_� - '. . . ... .. ... . . . . . � . . .. j��:. Mr, Jrunes Lorrkn, reprc�enti.ng Darrel A., Farr Devclopment Corporation, and � 14r, Lnrin Wood �� of 'i�1t2 N;. 3iavarian Pass� 1�ri.dley� were present. Chairpc�rson 13arri.^. exp7:iiricd thaL fi:hc Commis::ior. K011ll� t)4' rn�re than liaptrv to d_sci�:�s the pr_tition ini'ormall.y but could not Lakr ;uzy raction on it at this mceting as they could not hold a public hcarin�; because of lack of a quor-um, lie staLed that t}'�e Fiublic hearing items xo�.zld be rescheduZed Sor {,hc next meetin^. Mr. Inndon stated they were akin� for two doublc �ara�;e, and two si_ngle garages in each Uuilding instead of four sin�;le �;arages that they had no�.:. He said the groun3 cover rrould be incresxsed by 16' per bu:ildin�;� �nd they felt the units wnuld be nore salable V,ith that type of a double garar;e arid that tiras their reason Sor it. Be ;;tated he had givcn t,hi� p]:m to i.he Presilent of the To�mtiouse Association some tine a�o� and also to the Archi.tectur�.l Control CoT�nittee Chairman� Jerrv kndcrson� �nd hadn't received zn,y nef,aLive responses frorn ei.ther one, t�fr, i•loods said that since neither of those gentlemen could attend the neetin, he had been in•rited to come in their pl•^.r_e� and he felt that �ince the r�ablic hearing had to be postponed until a later date he rrould rat:�er nave one of them state their position sznce ne had gotten this second-ha7d and didn�t have a chance to look over the plans himsei£. Nir, london as}:ed z:i,at his Teelings were on it, and iir. 17oods stated thaL he lived adjacent to 4:here {;he ;irst s�t oY garage stalls r�ould be b�.zilt and his orm personal opinion was that he r�as against it. He asked �:hat x2s the p:esent spacing between the garages i;hat are presently constructed, and b:r. Lo::don said the spacing bettaeen the �ar2ges �*asied. He said it seemed there �rere. a minimum of three oarkin� spaces betiaeen any �ar�ge and sc^�eti�:es Soar. :'s. l•toods said that iY they rrent a��ag with the pla;s it would r_•�i:ain�te at lea3t one parkitig soace i'o� guests, �:d this ti,�as esseniially the bigoest cornplaint 2gainst seeir.g tne garage sizes increased. He contir.�ed inat nany times people �no o•rrned gar2ges still ieYt their cars out 1'or convenience reasons. ' Mr. .Landon asY.ed how this ai'Yected �ir. 4loods� ariu Tir. �doods replied that one oY the lar�er gara�es would be right beside his dr:eiling, rn•. Lcndcn saic yes� tnere would be, but that garage is being added to u:�ay 1'rom i•:r. Yiocris' � block rather tnan towards his side. He staied it ai'f'ected tne people in rlocks five and six in that tt�ere would be larger garages across the street, ' ' Chairperson Harris asked if these units had automatic gars�e door openers, and Tir. London rePiied tnat a few did� but the najority didu't, ?,ir. H�rrzs said he was wondering if they weren�t made an optioa but coere part oF the ' deal if cars would be pui away more often, and thought this mi�rit be a partial solution. ru�, t,ondon agreed that it might help. � Mr. l:'oods said that even assuming the garage door openers Here put on, the amount of parkin� spaces bet�aeen thc garages �:ould :indicate that people 1:i�o have two cars wifo have singie garages are still goin� to i'ill up those spaces making a parking problem for tne �uests of the units. r•s. London said they � had ��X" amount of p3rking spaces Hhether the cars are in the garages or in the parking ].ot, ;uid c�hat�it does is reserve a parking area in a garagc Por someone who ivv�ts to buy it that aray, pir. l�oods stated that he could underst�s:d ' why they wa�ited i,o put in double garn�es� but as it existed now thc amount: ol' space thnt is tliei•e vould make it rathcr inconvenient and diPFicult. i�e added that tlie spacc for parking was a1; a pi•emium now wii.h sinele car gar��es, ��id � he could see it r�rni2d atill Ue at n rremiwn as most people hnvc two cnrs tind sometimes boat,� recreationzl vehicle.� and t�hat sort oS thing. ' �� o � �M��� � inP_Comm;:;si.on 14retin� - Junc 9, ]97b _-..�.. 1, .� . IQr. :doods si.atecl that if everyhody u.cd their rara��es as i,hcy r,�.�ht to� �':� r�� 1 tirou].dn't be any problem, He ad'ded that if thc double �;aragcs ,:�.rc ��] lo•.:cd, it should bc mand:�tory that those pr,onle use their gara�c^ or th�re �.�,;'-1 bf; no ouiside parkinf;. He 1'urthcr added that he jii:;t had to rr?,y on p�nt h:c.i.•,ry , with the Way the situati.on is now when people have rarties c,tLractir,�; many guest� and the resulting parY.in�; cruncn, Ghairper�on Harris �skr:•d if' hc wa� sa,ying that in an,y case therc was not enouF,h par�ing thr.rc� ::nd }]r. Y�ood;, ' stated that if everyone parY,ed in their gara�;e ther•e woul.d be enoueh a:irrir:{�, but i,hey don't. 1 ' ' � ' , ' � ' ' ' � Chairperson Harris said hc tmderstood they had a ver�;� viat,:Le To�anhrn>;� ��so^- iation, and su�;�;e:ted that throu�h a little educa�io^ and a publicit;; r:r�,;rr:: the,y could he:Lptp r.emedy that situation.ls. �r,'oods said n^-^nar� t.hey coizld� 'oui rahat be was saying ,ras th�t when he trent home }ie i,�ould like �o park relnt.i.vel;� close to his orm residence. h;r, Boardman asked hov� many,outside , arkin� stalls i;ere o: ovidrd uer ur,'_ t, and ]•;r. London re�lied tLere w.ere 2.?_� parking stalls for �very unit, !:r. Boardman suggested desi�nating an o�atside stall fb: every un_t, but ;3r. Woo3s said he riidn't think that wouJ.d hork very v:ell. N.e ciLed the er.ur;i^] � that if someone was having guests over and �ou ca-.e back to iir.o ;�our desi.�,n��ed space parked in, what could 3�ou do? Ne stated it would be a very difficult thing to manage. 13r. B�rgman asked if they had thought o. any way to replace t:�ose t�•relve lr}st outside spacesJ 2nd 1�"s. London replied they nadn't. He expiained ii; %�s suggested fairly recentl,y that more garage spuce be previred� and he sai� he thought that the douhl.e garages would sell. In iact, he said� many qecpie asked if txo-car garanes YFEtP. av2ilab7e= and at• thc present tis�e they are not. tir. London explained he had the sarveyor take a look at it and asked una� cculd be done xithout ruining the area., .xnd this is iaiiat he c�ree up wiLt�. 'r.� said at least tiao spaces were left betwe?n each garage. Chairperson Narris said that periiaps tney could think about it for acahile, and at tl�e next Planning Cornaission meeting some co.^.crete suggestions and recanaendations could be made. � RE-EV,4LUA.TION Or STBE�T L:1YOJT NEAn NO:�TH PA.iK �PT;TITiC��i 8-1976) Mr. Bergm<3n stated he ihought tliis was veiy fully covered in the mimites oS the F.nvironmental and Comsnunity Development Comnissions meetin�;s. He sain the two Co:nmission, were in full agreement that they ought not lose existing right-of-xa,ys. 2�irs, Uabel said that from reading those minutes there wasn�t anythin� in the Sliture aUout a road, so she couldn�t fully understand why the p�ople petitioned. ifr. Boardman explained the people where trying to avoid a situation that could possi6l,y happen in the fliture. � Chairperson Harris said that as far ns railroad crossings got hc was not. in fnvor of' one on 83rd, but Selt there should be one on T9th� and felt the one on 77th should be eliminat•ed. Mr, L�oardm:u� said there xas a cul-de-snc at ' 79th� but wns noL stire iahat xould happen there. Hc said he would just as soon see 77th elininated and no crossing to Ea,^t River Road, Mr, iiarris said � S'ltmning Co�rsii::.^,ion Mert.i-ng - June 23, 19'(b � Pa�e 13 . � no longer be a cost to the properL,y, !lc s:iid that any improvcmn.nt on thr Uuildin�; uould increase the len�i.h of' time that tihe,y Y1011l� }13VE to operate it in order to get the money bac}: i'rom Lhat building. �� f) , lhr. Langenl'eld said he would like to cormnc-.nt that he hoped this would not starL a trend that ever,ythin�; from soun to nut� wou]d ro out i.n front of othrr nlaces. I�hr. Harris said he believed that Lhe City Counci.l. had alrec�ci;; set a urecedent 1 as f'ar as thi:> wa� concerned wnen thc;i allo;,ed the{rai)er �a:e:: �rar� in ='ront of floliday Vii.lage. rie stated that if the cit;; allows trailer sales fac'�nE* 69l� i.n thc Holidy parkinn lot� then :m;11%n�iy xho hns vaca.nt parrin� arr_a �.hat i; � not used has the same ri�;hts to app�.,y £oi� th� ;2me use:. ;Ir. sergn»n ea�id if the trailer sales functien were requa.ted on the corner of ;..sissif:p� u�,d 'univ- ersity, his vote tirou).d haee been different. C}:�irnerson }iarri° �a�d t:�a: th.e Lrai.ler sales nark �ra_s cn thr-_ corner of f:9h and Universi.�y a_�d tnat cern�^ ,..� i a far busier one. Hc st�ted tnat r;3ny mcre ,r,eonle visitir.g i:^.° city �r:;a?d see that operation then this one. .Mr. Lzr.genfeld said he rranted �o point oui that he iaas not questioning r,ri,yone's rignts. 13r. Y.arris stated �::�t ::itr t;�e arecedent ' bein� set� as Far as he Y�as conces•.^.ed, he ti�a; �;oing to ve{•e for inis pariicular pro�sal. , UPO?7 A ROLL C;!LL tiOTE' fi2xxis� Langenfeld� Peterson� Shea and Gabel �*oti.^.g a;�e� Bergman voti..g nays the motion carried 5- 1. � '!'1l':, :?ti PI,AT a rep].at oi Lc�s 1 io �1 ].riC1451.:'J 5icc'r.s 21 tnrcurn , Bloc}: 28� In:^.shruc'.�c North To:mhouses 'ihird kdd=.�ion� size of gara�ess generall,� located on the i^+est side South o£ hieisier Road 1V.E. � ' ' . P �S �� �� ! �. - C:t CY;r�.:' � � :^E 20, .�.. -�so par:, r.i Lot 1, to allo:: ch=n�es in tn� of East �ai ari�:n Pass ar.d Air. Jim London� Pir. Jerry knderson and A.`r. Lorin �doods were present. 1�10'1'I0� Uy Yeierson� secend°d by Lan�enfeld, that the °lar;nir.� Coruaias:.on oren the Public Hearing on the censideraiion of a preliminar�� ;_at� P.S. �75-05� Innsbruck North Replat Third Additio±�� b}• Dar:el �i. Farr ieveior;.�^r.� Ccr^oraiio� . Upon a voice vot.e, all coting �ye, Chairperson ;:a:ris decla�ed the i'ublic Hearins . open at 9:U5 P•Ti. i�ir. London� representin� Darrel A. rarr Develop:�ent Coroorati.on, staied that , after talking to f•Ir. Anderson 2nd S:.^. �rdoods he would like c.o renuesi that this be trbled until the neat meeting of the Planning Commission as L'ne,y had some problems to worlc out at i;he Innst�ruck tvorth To4�iUouse Architectural Control ' Comn:ittee let�el. He said that these problems i��ould have to be xorked out before they could go ahead witlt their plan, or it would be withdraun. 1 � � � ASOTION by Lan�enfeld� seconded by Pet,erson� that the Public ??earinp on consider- ation of' a preliminary pl.at� P,S. ��76-05� Innsbruck Aorth iieplat Third Addition, b,y Darrel A, rarr Develo}:�ent Corporation� he t.aUled until the next Pl.�ming Commission meeting on Ju1,y ltt; 197G, with the 11i}�lic Hearing open. Upon a voice vote� all voting �ye� �he motion c2rried unaninously. ...-.T . Planninp, Commi.srion 1�ir�etin�; - June 23� 1976 Page lli 19r, tier�mar� said he had received some comments from townhouse owners, and tneir concern seems to be the lacY, of open parrin� und loss of som� of same with the proposal. 14r. London said it was so noted, �. RE�1UE5'1' POi? A VACATIOi; SAV (�76-Qi R'f R0:?E'.?T .`.C�aROER: V:}cate the street easement on tne Southrrly 33 lect o1' tine i:asterly 200 Sezt of Lot l�, Block 2� East ftanch Estates 5econd P.d�tion. Mr. Hobert Schroer V�as present. ��`7 Mr, t3oardman exnlained that this re�uest was brou,;ht Uetore ti:e Planni.^[' Cc;:^.�is�.io:� from the Speci.al Use Permit granted to Kennedy 'Pransraission Co^r.sn�✓, ?�d t;at Bob Schroer had submi�ted a req�iest ior vaca+.ion of that sireet. 1-'s. aoard:�<.n said Mr. Schroer had agreed to the easement of ;0' as recuested by tne Pi�nnir.g Commis�ion, :,nd the vacat.iori xas 1'or the 33' tn:_t w.en� trrou�n tne tr�.z=.r�i.ssicn company's pro^erty, 14r. Harris aslced ii there r:ere any Ii:aes oi any �or` in that 33'� and 1•fr. Boardman replied yes, the c_ty rould have tc :;uint-ir. for sanitary sewer. MOTION by Pe.erson, secanded by La7genl'eld, that the Plaimin� Co;.,:::issicn recommend to the City Council approval of ihe request for a v�cetion, SR'd �76-03, by Hoberi Schroerg to vacate the streei easement on tnc Souther'_;; 33 feet of the Sastnrl�� 200 1'eet ot Lot h, Block 2� Bast Hanch Es�•�.ies °eceud Addition, with the stip�lations Y'or dr2in2ge and utility easemcnts as cutlinea by StaSf, Mr. Boaraman said that it �.as his understanding that I•:r. Schroer hould eiiminate the proposed ,treet in the rear and all the industriai �T'OP�?'Lj� �.-ili be f'aced orf of Hur:chers F,oad. Chairperson narris said that perhaps at that time the�� should rake a r.ote and tie those split-off lots to the rear lct; som�hoYr, as the ab�ndonr;ent o� '.�e road idea would create some land-locked properiy. .�'s. Board_�:.�; said ti:a� �he city would maintain a road easement as iong as those lots �:ere r�aintained, and with a replat t.hat :oad xould be vacated. 'UF'ON A VOICE UOTE, all aoting aye, the motion carried un2nir..ous7.y. 5A. YOUTH CEnPER DISCUSSIO�� Mr. IVed Storla was present representiiig the Youth Project Comriittee. t-ir, k3oardman said he wante3 to apologize for not getting this on the a�,enda, Ae st�ted he was going to bring it to the Plannin� Commissiun aPter it went to all tlie member cor.u7issions� and it was overlooked. He added that all tlie menber conunissions have looked at the proposal and made their recomnendations to the Planning Commission. Mr. L�ngenfeld sni.d he weuld like to hear t.he motions from the }{uman Rescurces Commission and the Commw�ity Development Commis.^>ions to get updated. .� :�:. ��;i � July 20, 1976 Chairman � Planning Commission City of Fridley Fridley, Minnesota Gentlemen: This letter is to formally notify you of the opposition of the Architectural Control Committee (ACC) of the Innsbruck Plorth Toumhouse Association to the Darrell A. Farr Development Corpo_ation's intention to replat the third addi- tion of the Association to accommodate additional garage parking. Please be advised that the Farr Development Corporation fulfilled its legal obligations to the Association on July 13th, 1976 when it requested the approval of the Architectural Control Committee for the above replat. Approval of the replat was retused for the following reasons: 1. Represents a change in architectural character from the units pieviously built in the third addition. 2. Presents an appearance of "garage clutter" by obstructing the view of green space. 3. Creates the potential for paxking problems by reducing visitor parking. 4. Negatively affects the marketability of the currenC homeow-r�ers in the third addition. The ACC had the following verbal agreement with ,Tim London of the Darrell A. Faxr Development Corporation: "Should the ACC approve the proposed replat, the Farr Development Corporation would proceed with obtaining the approval of the Fridley City Planning Commission; however, if the proposed replat was not approved by the ACC, the Farr Development Corporation would withdraw its request for consideration of the replat from the Fridley City Planning Commission's Suly 14, 1976 agenda." Should a request for the withdrawal of the proposed replat not have been filed by the Farz Development Corporation, we should like this letter to be made a part of the record concerning this matter. Please no*_ify as to the status of the above mentioned repla[. Sincerely, i'�� . ��-�.�,,�'�.'"`- Je ry i3, Anderson Chairman: Architec[ural Control Committee 5576 East Bavarian Pass Fridley, Minnesota 55432 cc: Doug Van Arkel 3WA/mvb �:� � � i � Planni:� Co _ni^sion "`ectinP - A�iCur,t !�� 197� l. TA�Liin: PU?�IC ';.ARIIIG: COPISIDE[tkTIO;a or r. Il�::�i;liU(:!. 1dCi:`:':� NEYLtit '!'11Ir:i) iii�b.CPIG_i, �Y llA PLAT y„ Pnj;e .� �� CG.-.:i�;{;,;�;:;: _�'ir,g a repl::L o;' i,c::,:: 1 Lo q iuclusive� tslocrs u tinroug: 2, x»d also part of X.oL 1, 131oc1: 28� Inn:,bruck I4orth Townhouses Third Adaitior., to alloa changes in tne size of �;arages, �enerally located on th= �ti'est side of East L'avarian Pass and South of rleister Road Pd.E. Public 3ear'_ng o�=n. N:r. Boara^t2r. explained that Darrel k. Farr Develop.r,ent Corporation was tiying � to vork out some arra�gements with the Townhouse kssociation� and requested t:^at tais i_e�! be i;auled again. Mr, La:oenl'eld raised the question of how long soe:ethin� like this could be tsbled, end ;x. �oa:om3n replied about svcty days. . .*L^s. Sc:.naGel saicl s::e would 1:Y,e to relay something that she thought was re`.her �nte°�s;,i-g to the Coruaissicn. �ae said t?�at as she drove ouL ?3ortn L:nsUs°��k D^_v2� the i,ity of t:ex IIri�h�o:�'s survey crex a2s surveyin{; the rcad at th� ?rid'__y to:der. ?Mnether or not they were goin�, to do anything on it, she di^'s.'t '.�:�w, She 21so said she rrondered �,nethnr or not part oS the stip112Lion oS tne 7Frr°1 A. Farr Corporation proceedin� rtith building the i,ownhouses r.as trat t::ey s!:ould g:a3e out P:crth Innsburck Drive, and said it r�2s �er t:ndr-.rstand- ir.g tha� a cnlve: L should 'oe �•ut in the Zow sgot ti:nich water is drai�_in� into curren��y�. :•`ss. Sctmabel said tha± ner:�aps since they already have 3 110QP.�. bnilt �.:d i� was nearino f�na1 si;ages, they should be reappraised o£ Ll�at stipu3a'oion. T�L . Ber�r:an stated that each meetino the;t had this item on the a�enda, t,,ypically as nw�:ar or,e� a^.d e2ch rneei;ing they spent tire on it, He said 'ne wouid ii:;e it remo��ed i:om �he a�;enda until Darrel :arr Corporation indicated so:�e furti:er inierest. C:�air�ersor. ilar:is said 'ne thought because of the time element i.n�rolveaJ ssce iney -.:ere getting close to the tir.ie limit when they would have to rea.gly, theti should table it ;uitil the next reeting. MOTION by Bergmon� seconde3 by Langen£eld, that t;he P3anning Commission tabla tt�e 2'ublic ?:ear;:ig on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. /}76-�J5, Inr.sbr�i.^.k North F.=_pla� Thi_�d Ad3i�ion, by D�rrel k. F2rr Development Corporation, i._th tha Public _ear:,-o ocen, until the next regular meeting of the tlanning Co.,a79.ssion. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the notion carried unaninously. 2. PU3iIC L�tR�."i: RE�iUE:,T rCR A SPECZAL USE PF.i?17IT, SP. �7C�-11, B° JOSFFci SI':r�::u:.IO: :er rridley C�iy Code, 5ection 207.051� 2, A� to allcv t::e cor.struct.ion of a second accessory ouilding� a 21� ft. by 32 ft, dett:ched garage, on I.�ts 23 and 19, 91ock 8, Plymoutls Addition, the same bein� tt7?5 3rd Street 1Y.�. p1r, and Mrs. Josenh Siniga�lio xere preseut, Ai0TI0N t�y Schnahel, seconded by Ber�man, that thc Planning Co:nmissior, open the R.blic :iearing on a request Sor a spccial use I�ermit� SY fi7b-11, by Josep}i Sinigaglio. Upon a voicc vote, all VOL111�, i�,}'C� Chuirperson liarris decllrnd the Ptzblic Iiearing open at 8:00 P.hL =�_*� _ Plunnir�g Conunis.,ion Mr,ating - Aui;ust lU� 1976 Page ].1� " � � Yir. Bcr�;man �t:�t,ed thr;� had discu ;sr,d in CoromuniLy Devclopment a trap or an assumed mi:concepti.on: someone L:ies ,ub�6ruidard 1.ots to pcople o: low i.nco;,�e� and ihe,y a�;reed that r�as an a:>surnpti.on that rnay havc no valid.ity. lle sai.d that neoplc of' low inconie have rnany oth,�r opportuniti.cs for hoi�sinE,� ��d it � doesn't tluve to be that 9.f t}�e City doe.-�n�t allow ��cople to Lnild �n ii0� lots they r:ere d.iscrirninatint; against p�ople oS' ].oVi inco;ne. 1. Tb�i;.;D: FO�L7C ii;P.P.3i2G: COIJSI�i°"TIvd OP h Pi'.T7 T E�° 17A'� P`�_._ 7�-=%? IP �. � � �t�� - i �Jit7�4� '.rl YL ti 'TiIT,tJ l� ���1 i ��:7 � � i TlAi�:?.>,L r . ' .. !{ 7� . ,r L)�.���_— CO:tNJitF.i_0,:: :;�ing a ren7«t oS Lot, i to �ncLu;i�;_, :s or_;�., ?1. thrcurh 2b, and also part of Lot l, t�lock 28� 7nnct:rucK ;ic�rih 'Po•;mi:vuses Third I:ddition� to a7_].oia chan�es in t7e siz� vf g�'raf;es� f,c:nertali;,� loct,t.r,:i OI] %h@ i'i(,'St. S1C�E Of }�2_St R3V2T'1'LZl ud3:> �3I1Ci JUUAi.�7 Oi i:G7.�:.�'7' iiC'r:Ci �i.'.:. Public Hearing Gp°iz. ` 1•;r. Eoa.d;nan sta�ecl he had done research on this and tziked to Jira L::ndon on it. IIe sa.id th�t t;r. Lor_don ::as trying �o cenvi:,ce lia.rrel Farr to su:�z,�v a T'CQUESv rOr wit:73raiain� i.i�iJ.� T'EQllE'SL. i-�T'. �021'G�?�:��SP1 .,2.iCl Lt:2� 3� t177.° t_.:�F: �l; r�ould like the Plznni.ng Ca�:nissicn to reco:ra-�end thatcby ihe r.ert ^:eetinF; t:�cy expaci a reouesi f'or tri.thdrar��al on i�is item or the�: xi__"' ta:-:e act.ion cn _. C!�aira�rson Harris suggested it he rephrased tYi�:t the P�.�;n:n; �o�:cci;;si<:n -::ould table i,his item ::n'til the ne::t meeting and expect to ta!:� �c;,ion ... ..� �hsn. MT'. BOa?'d1."!a12 S��l,'�i t}1GI7 lf t�lE :1£iYiT]_li� COI:'�t1SS1CYl {:CC'.! �L'�70;� ?.":�'- CcEI;_.C-i �;lE request and if =t :;as also denied by tl:e City Cuc:r:c:l� than J-rre'_ =arr ccald not rea�}.ly fo: si:i�:r�onth period o� L�a i;r. �o .....,.� ..,.�t.ed :,,-, -..u.. �ii; e tne.y �,ould l:it7dr:>�: on this tecause Barrel'.arr and4t}:� `io�,;:.`_�,ous� .._s^�i�=..-�a� held completel.y ditferent views. Air. Bergman rec2iled that at the last meetir_g ihe state.*.!ent :•� :s �adc t;'?t :,::° �.OI7�L'Vlt.'y' Of c1 PEC�ABSi, 1i35 S1Xt.V QuJS, �3T', �.iO3T'uL:£Ul 58'1^ }'_2 �'.'cG G'�^:tc: iESP� :;:�ll on thai also� and Soi;nd there ;��as no li-it that �;as set on '.::�e �ub:ii�r cer '.o table, Uut there �.;as a limit set on tha Plzrming Ccm;,t�ssior, tc ac�. ?'r. �'c�er�on pcinted out tnat tLer. tl�ey couidn'i a�t. on this next time i` tne �et;i;�one:�� asked ior ii; +o be tabledt as 'r.e had t?�e prercFative t.o kee:� cel�,y-in;;. ?i.� Baardman said that �aas a�;ood point, �nd sn�gest.eri the rnoi.ic:� s�otilc.re�.ti �.`.'�: ,it would be taUled indefin�tely so il.at the Con�nission tapuldn' �: ave to r�,spo�ni to it a��3' �:or2. � T;OTIOI� Uy Peterson� secor.de3 by L�.nEenield, ihzt the PuUlic Hearin�, e;n cc:�s�der:+?.ion of a prelim_nar�r p1at., P.S. �°76-0>� Snnsbruck ;eo.•th Kep�at T��ird Ad.itior,, b}� Darrel ii. rzs'r Aevelopme�it Corporation� be tabled ind!��ir.5_,.el�� witil t�ic p�citioncr � asl:s it to be ;,ritlidraim or put bacic on ihe a�enda. Upon a voice vni.e, e1i vnt.i„� nye, tne moi:ion carried unanimously. � � � 1 2. Pi1;TT!` 1ii:.f�r �'�i��.E,eli]'�T R(lR A S?F�1�kT. 1"+F V,t�]�JJZ�S.P. .'�Z�?-1^i.1il ?',;.-J- YL'S)T4�.IP�iG�:��?�r�n;_ ���o �:rr;nit a �ilm processinf; dror-o!'1' booth� per Fridley Ci.t,y Code� Section :0>.101, 3� (3)� to be lecr>.t:,d on Lni, 1., 3�ock 1� S��lvmi liills Ylat 7� thc :,�mtic bein, Zltt3 ;:i.ssissippi 5trect N.I:. y,� '! t 1 � � � � � � � � 1 � � ` � �: 1 � , � OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WNOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing before the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Nall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, October 6, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for,the purpose of: Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. �76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addi±ion, by Darr21 A. Farr Development Corporation, Inc., located in Innsbruck Villages Addition and Outlot A, Innsbruck North Addition, to allow for a more feasible distribution of the same number of units in the development, with a minor change in the Easterly boundary of the p7at descri�ed as follotias: That part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, lying blest of a line drawn from the most Northerly corner of Qutlot C, _.; Innsbruck Village, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A, Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating, all lying in Section 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E. and ldest of the Black Forest Apartment. Anyone desiring to be heard �aith reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Pu6lish: September 22, 1976 September 29, 1976 RTGHARD H Chairman Planning NARRIS Commission JO ;,�� l �. � � CITY OF PRIDLGY MINNGSOTA Q�' ��6 /0 PLANNING AND ZONING 1�01tM NUMBGR � APPLICANT'S SIGNATURE ��F��� �. ��r. CJs�.�+n t,�.,,� Address 7a�?�Q 7�'^-J ��H�, 1•1� �!"r�pis S�S428 Telephone Number .c(oD 6/ r D PROPCRTY 019NER'S SIGNATURE �;,t�,,,, � �G�tye�-(,,.,. � Address � Telephone 1�umber Street Location of Property � Legal Description of Property . � 51 TYPE OF REQUGST Rezoning Special Use Permit Approval of Premin- �— inary $ Pinal Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Otlier Fee Receipt No. Present Zoning Classification �'?, Existing Use of Property � rn...�..-�« li:�``� Acreage of Property } j/ic�` Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed �.� �;�`,��E„f� __ �r c,-':`.�-F- {\- . �' � . � n ,. . .L:�:Ytli . �E�e.%„� '-t-;J 1 U� � ��� ' ...d .�.o_c�-r�.-e�.� %tt, t.eJ . Jt-ci<.C.sr,_.' % `L�a n � Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain� lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes no. 1Vhat was requested and iehen? Z- t � iThat part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, _� c�� lying West of a line drawn from the most � The undersi Northerly corner of Outlot C, Innsbruck Village, and o�aners of property within 30o to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A, is application. (b) 1'liis � Innsbruck Village dnd Sald line thet^e tet'mindting, erty, or an explanation � given why. this is not the case. �c� ,.��i,,,,,.,�„�,�,.� .,,. ,..., ,.efect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in question, Uelongs to the undersigned. � � � A�sketcli o£ proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, shoiaing tlie following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and froiit and siJe setbacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet). The undersigned hereby declnres tliat all the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. � . DATE�1,�:,d`' I.3, /a7�� SIGNATURE `\/�,>�, r: � � t"� ;'� ;�`%r.._ i (APPLICA:V'f j Date Filed Date of Hearing Planning Commission ApProved � (dates) Denied City Council Approved (dntes) Denicd , - � MAILIN6 LIST Planning Comnission 9/21/76 City Council P.S. #76-10, INNSBRUCK YILLAGES SECOND ADDITION Katherine M. Holum Mary DesLauriers 5585 East Qberlin Circle N.E. Fridl�ealdMnk55432sing N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Y+ Sid E. Berquam Margaret Hale 5573 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 5566 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn_55432 Mr. & Mrs. Edward Lethert Mr. & Mrs. Harris �onnenberg 1567 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 5562 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harry Wickstrom Mr, & Mrs. James Hulbert 1563 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 5558 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 � Timothy Jaecke 7559 North Oberlin Circle N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Marvin H. Erdman 1555 North Oberlin Circle h.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Peterson 5554 Watdeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Terry Anderson 5550 tJaldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Louia H. Richardson Mr. & Mrs. Duane Johnson 1547 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 1526 Bohnhof Juncion N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Charles Moore Mr. & Mrs. Vernon Rose 1539 Narth Oberlin Circle N.E. 1522 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Merle Grimmer 5571 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Fredrik Schiotz 5567 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley> Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Tufford 5563 Waldeck Crossing N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, Theodore Thompson 5559 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Lindstrom 5551 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Judith A. Leino 1518 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. J. Michael Ertel 1514 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Karren S. Anderson 1510 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Wayne German 1506 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Janice Root 1566 Narth Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55A32 ;; . �2 , � Mailing List P 5�76-10 Innsbruck Yillaqes Second Addition Paqe 2 � Chi Huu Nguyen & My Chau Thi Vu 1551 North Oberlin Circle Fridley> Mn 55432 � 1 Sharron M. Ke11er 1543 North 06erlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Jahn R. Ullom 5555 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gilbert Kinnunen � 1546 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 . � Mr. & Mrse Richard Anderson 5565 East Oberlin Circle N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 � � � � Mary F. Clark 5561 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Stephen D. Petersen 5557 East Oberlin Circ7e N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Barbara Brooks & Elaine Voboul 5570 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. Milton Bullock � 5674 Arthur Street N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Furek 5529 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Rodger Erickson 1562 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Darrese Herman 1558 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Lawrence Cipolla 1554 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Dennis Foy 1550 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Joyce K. Wennberg 1542 North �berlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Minton 1538 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Norman Hectner & Grace Wistrich 5569 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Donald Olson 5594 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Herbert B. Holtz 5590 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, Daniel Willie 5586 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Darrel A Farr Development Corporation Mr. & Mrs. Mark Krueger 7286 North 72nd Lane 5582 Meister Road N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55428 � Tnnsbruck North Associates 7286 North 72nd Lane Minneapolis, Mn 55428 Janet Windmeier 7300 Concerto Curve N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Hilmer Ferkingstad � 5589 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs> Thomas lindstrom 5578 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Marshall Ginthner 5574 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Peter J. Kozlak, Jr. 5566 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 53 � � � Mailing List - P S #76-10, Innsbruck Villa�es Second Addition, Page 3 Mr. & Mrs. Ronald Rumpsa T481 Narth Inns6ruck Drive N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Orlin Wicks 1495 North Innsbruck �rive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Robert Yanicke � Minneapolis Field Office 8200 Normandale Blvd. Minneapolis, Mn 55437 � � Cheryl L. Nybo 5588 Arthur Street N.E, " Fridley, tdn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gary Samuel 1479 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Johnson 5659 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Robert Olson 5643 North Danube Road N.E. - Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & fdrs. Myron Swenson 1496 North Innsbruck Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � � � I � Mr. & Mrs. Bernard Urbick 5837 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Michael Berchin 5829 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Jacob Wiens 5809 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 �� m � � i � i � � i �i � . S:, 5��, � . %�'��":�`/ . ' �` ` P.S. N76-10 INNSBRUCK VILLAGES � . -y 13 Z - I .. � . �. 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', 23 `� i � 3 5�0, S 22 5546� • � � � � 151� 1515 ' 2 3-. � � ; I � 2 .. .''S�f ; ' ._—. ; io : � ': ' ' J I _i SGOi gG00'� -.� ', s . S . � scaa � I , .__ _'. __ : ._ � .. � -_.'__�----_ ,_ ..._ 5600'1�.-_-' SG02 . . ._..._--... ,...- . -,... � f � V �'-- _._ —__ --- _'_,_ _ - ---- -- _ -. - r - . . . . D e • '-------�._. ..._. _- . . . .. N a r t h i �' --�_ -- _ . . . . ��' r $ t^ '-�` �' ? •'� M1 / J 6 V 4si dJ, U�.t w.� 4 i � h r U c k ...- � n n � _ . h �. � .. �. . �.. �..: �1 �� �:: s.3 . �.l �--.. I� _ 1 �: -_:..-, o �o xs so �oo scalo ���. norlh OFfICIAL NQTICE CTTY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSIOF! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, October 6, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: Consideration of a Praposed Freliminary Plat, P.S. #76-07, Rottlund Oaks, hy the Rottlund Company, Inc., being a replat of Lots 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16 and V, Block 1, Spring Brook Park Second Addition, together with Lots 32 and 33, and the West 30 feet of Lots 34 and 35, Block 1Q, Spring Srook Park Addition, zoned P,D,(planned development), all lying in the South Half of Section 3, T-30, P.-24, City of �'ridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located between Ruth Street N.E, and East River Road, Nortfi of Liberty Street N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION Publish: September 22, 1976 September 29, 1976 0 �: ; , :�; � $ ,•r-t • . s,e ' � � � � CITY OP PRIDLGY MINNGSUTA PLANNING AND ZONIt�G i�0i2M NUMBGR - S- �7G -0 7 ✓���✓ ,c �y.� .�< '-_ AFPLICNJT`S SIGNATURE7H�' Ro 't C�c A �M� iidaTCSS �,�.�y1, e12-L'L�iL �� JLf�h N ��G.0 �✓I} Telephone Number_��J.. Qb� a T!E Ro7 aS(L�a�, � �,, � PROPERTY 014NER'S SIGhATllRH Address_P{�j, [ljo��. $20YZ�.���� WY,�.i.q Telephone Number S 7}' -• Street Location of Property � 5".' TY!'E OF RGQUEST � Rezoning _ SpCC1.11 USC PCI711it �_ Approval of Premin- inary F� Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other Fee ��G �JReceipt No. ��� j � ,fR�.. N� 8 i'' �" ! Legai Description of PropertyLp?�,� �`f/O ty/3��� /� 54�„K,#(�,�,� P,,,k2ry� � . Da 9 �•7�3R d�33 8�� �/b �F,�-.� f��.s!/ pR►if _'7 Present Zoning Classification�(�_Existing Use of Propert}� t.?�p��,,��� � Acreage of Property ��,� � � Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and i�nprovement proposed RGS�dt� T'�✓i �o�r.l7�ia�Tiuk � Has tiie present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or � variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes_�_no. IYhat was requested and wlien? � �. � � The undersigned understa.nds that: (a) a list of all residents and otaners of property w.ithin 3D0 feet (35D feet' for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (U) 77iis application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given wliy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of yroperty in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed pxoperty and structure must Ue drawn and attached, showing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structi�re on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names, 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (iaithiii s00 feet).. The undersigned hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this applicntion are true and correct. _ ,_ DATE ��^ 2 O " % � SI Date Fi led -� �-:l�1 j� Date of ❑caring "/�� ��' 7` � Planning Co+Nnission Approved City Council Approvcd (dates) penied (dates) pcnicd � � �: � hU1ILING LIST ROTTLAND OAKS, P,S. �76-07 The Rottland Company, Inc P.O. Box 32082 Fridley, Mn 55432 The American Oil Company 4940 Viking Drive Minneapolis, Minnesota 55435 � Mr. & Mrs. Gerald Hodd 8110 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 ' Mr. & Mrs. Herman Bourdeaux 8106 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. William Gorman 8104 Fairmont Circle NeE. Fridley, Mn 55432 hir. & Mrs. Michael Carrigan 8102 Fairmont Circle NoE. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Henry Maron 8111 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Fritch 8101 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, E. Paul Lian 11534 Yucca Street Anoka, Minnesota 55303 . Mr. & Mrs. Gregory Shipshock 8071 Fairmont Circle N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Curtis J. Kapperud 8057 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Sheldon Qlson 8041 Fairmont Circle N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Joseph Kostuck 8027 Fairmant Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Planninq Commission 9=21=76 Council Mr. & Mrs. John Walton 8066 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Thomas Christian 8026 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Mitche7l 8120 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gerald Carney 8125 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Margaret Mulrine & Janice Meyers 8135 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gentry Staggs 8121 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Carroll Davis 8111 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. Kenneth Jorgensen 8101 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrso John Lane 288 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. LeRoy Kochel 298 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert DeGardner 7950 East River Road fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs� Bruce Choromanski 299 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Randall Spencer 289 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � � .. _ _ � � Mailing List for P.S. �76-07, Rottlund Oaks Pa�e 2 ' Mr. & Mrs. James Horn, Jr. 279 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � � � � � Marjorie Hentges 269 Liberty Street PJ.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Eleanor M. Jones 259 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Erickson � 254 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Brustad 272 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 ' Mr. & Mrs. Charles Sprafka 280 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrse Duane Matzko 290 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � ' � � Mr. & Mrs. Azad Mesrobian 298 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Marvin Breiland 295 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55Q32 Mr, & Mrs. Mykola Moroz 289 E1y Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Russell Schlemner 281 Ely Street filE. Fridley, Mn 55432 � ' ' � Mr. & Mrs. .Robert freeman 273 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Curtis Wahlberg 265 Ely Street N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Charles Dumphy 8125 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Donald Livgard 8198 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Rexferd Ransdell 404 Longfellow Stre�t NE Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Scott 391 Lonfellow Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Daniel Larson 385 longfellow Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Lundorff 7990 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Franklyro Taylor 420 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Leslie Shore 434 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Dennis Anderson 470 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Konstantyn Cherewan 440 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Randy Hoffa 8000 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Ronald Salo 490 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Waltace 8080 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Roger A. Fredrickson 799$ East River Road N.E. fridley, MN 55432 59 � i � �- . . ���� , , u,_,.. ; t°s;:..r� �T•J� c�r �e% �s.� ' 6/ . �-or. re7' � .... ' os.N- '- o s ' .. `� � �o ., i a37� . �y 08�• � . � /3 e , ; �x � 3 � 3 � 3 . 8 �d ` .� -� ��� 15� : + T . 3z �' � 7 : � � '+.; 6 �' 4'�a �� � P c 1a ' � �..3z--- � �,;,y°°" .^� � !7 ., . �o � x • o .p " � .s a� a�-, i� o .'� :.. ���.�� ` •-- a�ti �� � . . .. 1 .-,,-i,". .•,ro ,+, p^ '/y '�-� a.r.�. y����'' � 1�18 /7 i1 IA} 13 T:. `:Y � .�., .e'7}��� � � ( �~�.�. 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CF P.?s7.017I1';G THE P� Mr, David Rotter of &ottlundConst!-uction Company was present. IN T�1E Mr. Boardman explained that 1�ir. Rotter was �oing to come in for a replat on an area South of Sprin�brook Creek, and they want to discuss at this time the possibility of the Planning ComMission initiating a rezoning of the ?D district which is presently in there to P,-1. 9e said that most oF the property was zonecl R-1, and they vrould request that Pir. Rotter initi2te the rezoning South o£ ihe creek� 2nd the Planning Commission initiate the rezoning North of there. Chairperson Harris asked who otimed the property North of the creek at the present time, and t�;r. Boardman replie3 it i�tas. o�aned by various individuals and sin�le P�,ilies. i�1r. Harris asked ho��� this wound up as PD, and ',r. Boardrraz7 said tha� toon place quite a::hi:e �„o. He explained that at that time there was a proposal for a commercial develop�ent North oS the creek and an apsrtnent developme..t Scut}i o£ the creek, He stated he wasn't reall.y sure oS the. backgronnd on thai: zoning, but it �aas rezoned Lo PD so developers could deveiop uo�h commercial and industrial. i•Ix�. Harris asked t•rhat the zoning was previous �o that, and i•ir. 5oaruman answereci R-1, iir. Harris commented t?�at what tney were talking about then �:as reverting it to the ori�inal zoning. Mr. °oardman s2id that indications were that the progerty owners North of the creek tiaould not have any objections to the rezoning. Mr. Rotter said his comnany was o-nrner of the South section of this property and builder of the North section, He stated tnat in 1973 he came before the Planning Commissien to ask for permits to build single-family drrellings in the PD area, and he was granted them. Pfr. Rotter said he asl:ed them to leave the South section alone until they decided U�hat to do with it. He re£erred to the map on pa�e !t5 of the agenda, nnd said that South of the line which said 3$9 there �cas about a five acre piece o£ land. He stated he would like to rezone p��L o£ tnis or be allowed to build single-Samily drrellinp_s� leavin� lots 11� 12 and 13 in either PD �oning or ii-3 �onin� rather ;.i�an chan�ing it. all back to residential. AIr. Retter er,plained that one piece o: property abutted Sast River Road, and there i,as no access off Libert5> or Puth, and no access off the extension of Ely. He said that rather than leaving it as residential property and bring up three drivew�ys to East River Aoad, he was going.to leave that as either PD or R-3 zoni.ng and put something i.n there that Nould be condusive to the axea. He stated he did not ioanti to rezone the whole entire piece because tiiat would leave a dead piece of property. Chairperson Harris said it seemed to him the practical thin� to do would be to leaye it PD and have the developer brin� in a total plan on the whole area. Mr. Rotter said that was what he wanted to happen. He said they had already • ��� , � � � � Plannin� Cor;uni��ion 14eeLing - September 8� 7.9T6 6� .�,r,.,�, Pnge 9 tdr. Bourdman explained thnt this rras a request for a second accessory building to replace a garage that had burned docm on this property. He stated that the only question they rrauld have had on this would have been if the set back oS the new garage had been placed on the same foundation as the old garage. He said it was his understanding that t�tr. Belkholm had decided to meet�he setoack requirements instead of going through a variance procedure. Mr. S3oardman said City Sta£f had no objections to t�is requcst. , Mr. Belkhclm said the purpose oP tne request was to replace the garaPe that had been destroyed in ihe fire� and explained that his present setback was two feet short of what the req_uiremenis �aere now. He stated he had decided , he would reposition tihe slab of the �arage to take care oi that, so there would be no need for a variance. ' Nir. Peterson asked �:hat the added cost r,ould be by having to change the slab and foundation� and i�;r. Belkholn said it e:ould be around yb00 more. He said he 3mew a variance would be cheaPer, but other factors crere involved. He , stated that he tiaas coupling the increased size Frith the variance ch^r.ge t.hen he was stating tnis cost, hir. Eelknolm explained the garzge was orig�nally 20 x 21i� 2nd he iaas adding on ttao £eet� so the .�a600 involved the added increase in size also. I•1r. Be:gr!an asked if he was sa,ying he weuld preSer to relocate , it £or reasons of his ot-m� and Iir. Belkholn replied yes� ne felt it iaoulci be nore advantageous to move the slab. ' rSr. Peterson asked if it rrasn't for the va:•iance request ii h'.x�. Belkholm couZd just add the t*.?o feet to tl:e existin� slab and have the larger gas'age he �ranted� and Pir. �elkholm replied that r+as true. Mr, 7,angenfeld noted that this taas a detached oarage� and asked if it teoald be used prinarily for auiomobiles. As. Belkholm replied it �aould. I,r. Lar�genfeld asked t�hat the first accessory building oras, and Tir. Boardnan answered it was the gara�e that was 2ttached to the house. Idr. I.angenfeld asked iF the gara�;e would be constructed to be compatible to the house, and tir, BelY.holm replied it zaould be. Afr. Langenfeld as'r.ed if there t•ras going to be any form of cornmercial enterprise� and t5r. Belkholm sai3 there taouldn�t be. Mrs. Gabel asked what portion of the $600 extra he cras spending to rnove the slab, and 1�ir. Belkholn answered th2t the insnrance adjuster said w1t8�J wouTd Ue for replacing the slab. Mrs. Gabel asked if it �rould have to be reolaced at any.rate� and Pir. Belkholm replied it uoi�ldn't, it Vras just a c�atter of �a}�ati he decided to do rrit}� it. P;rs. Gabel cor.L;ented that she hated to see him snPnd $600 wnen he could spend $y0 for a varian�e. }ir, Peterson asked if there was a Special Use Permit for the building that h�as destroyed by fire� and tir. Boardman said there wasn�t. He explained it was there before the zonxng �ras passed. AfOTION b�� Langenfeld, seconded Uy Peterson, that the Pl�vming Cornmission close the Public Fiearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP r7�-13, by Kenneth Bclkholm. Upon a voice vote'� all voting aye' Cl�airperson Harris doclared tl�e Public Hearing c].osed at 9:z0 P.AL , Plannin� Commi�sion A;eeting - September 8� 1976 Pnge 11 i handled the tdorth section in this same Pashion� t�king out permits, without sub;nitting an overall plan. He er.plained he didn�t submit an overall plan of each hcuse sitting on each loC as such. � � , � � ' � , , � � �� � ' , ' ' Chairperson Harris said he wasn�t so hung up on the exact location of each Ntructure� but would li4;e to f�,no47 r�hat kind of sLructures the;� are� ii' they are single-fanil.y, etc. I�Ir. Rotter said he would be happy to do that. f:e said that �tith the PD zoning of tne property there was supposed to be some over.11 drawing of the pxoperty consisting of a'r,ere each unit r�as �oing to be� what particular size� rrhexe each drivc�ray rorould be located� etc. He said it iras pretty involved. He stated that he r:oald liY,e to change the street paLtern of �ly� pulling the er,�ension bac'r, and make it a cul-de-�ac. He added that the section containing lots 11, 12 a*�d 13 he w.anted R-3 !'or apartr�ents. NIr. Bergman said he didn't reall� understand rrho wants to r�;zone the Aorth part� who o:ants to rezone the South part, and �hhat the pu^pose would be in either case. A;r. Boardman sho,:ed him on the maa ti:hich area i•1r. Rot�er oumed and i•ranted to replat� an3 eaplained 'no�; ne ��anted to null nly Uack into a cul-de-sac to allo��r £or sing].e-fa��ily developnent oii o£ tn2t cul-de-sac, He also sho;�ed Vrhich proper't� tir. Y.otter iaanted to leave as PD. I�,r. �ergnan stated he dicin't understa.nd way 2 rezonin�. }ie said he thought the PD was establishea to provide flexibilit;,,�s 2rid asked if it vrasn�t t•;i.tnin i.,e context oS PD to constructJ r*nere a p12n so dictated� singie-fariil;,• homes. P:r. Boardm=�n stated t:�at 2'D in the code boo'.�c w� � very bulk�f �nd hard Lo adr;inister, f=:e said he thou;:�t it �:*as tne position of Ci�;� A:��ir.istratior. t':�t since Fair*;on� Circ16 is de•,-aloped R-1 proo�rty� it should s:cet the �or.in� require�cnts :o: an R-1 areas and iahen the plat irom Rottlundco:.es in it �nould �1so be rczcned to meet R-1 requir�:�en+.:�. i•:r. Bergmzn asked ii PD did,n't enco^�pass f?-1 reqpirements, 2nd I�;r. Bosrdnan said it isas casier to eniorce 2nd easier io administer under R-l. 1�r. Rotter sai3 they had develooed the North section under this PD developnent as residential 2lready, and thev i�rould be willing to £ollow. the san�e _`rar,:e�.ark, but they didn�t ti�tant to take a piece of orope:•�V tnat ra3 vzlue other th�^. as residential property and turn it 211 inLo R-1 zoning and 'nG�re to co�:e hack �a:c ask . to have it rezoned to R-J. i•;r, 3oa.rdman stated he �,*as not sa.ing that they mould be rezonin� the �ahole tnin�, but 2n,ything that was being develo�ed as R-1 should reall�� correspond to a R-1 district. t•ir, Rotter said that would be agreeable rrith him. He added he just i.anted to change tlte street pattern to facilitaLe the use of the pro?�erty as R-1, nti�er thar. tliat one sect.ion -,:i,ere he eventually r*anted to build some type of apar����ents or i,o`:°nhause, rir, Goardmau� said that the purpose oS t'.�e CI7.SCL'S51011 'r!AS to get tf�e Plann°_�:�, Commission's £eelings o» initiating a rezoninE, procedure oi the i'D property North around the Fairmont Circle-area. }tr. Eergman asked z.ho laould pa3� tn2 fee, and ASr. Boa:dman explained there tiauuld be no See if the City initiated it. Mr. Langenfeld said he looked up the PB District Regulations 205.12 and 205.i23, The Procedure for Establishing a Plv�u�ed Developnent Zonin�; District. }le stated that it looked to him like i.t took a lot of doin� and a greai: deal of time to obtsin this f'D zoning, and in going 1:hrouFh this he saw where they have � ) � Planning Commission t�eeting - September 8� 197� Pa�e 12 `�� 1 a preliminary development plan and specific plt3ns or stagr.s involved, He asked if this couldn't all stay under PD and this p�rticular development be considered � as part of the stages. He added that this was R-1 already� now it �ras PD� and Mr. Rotter wanted ta go back to R-1 again. :He siated he would like it zoned one way or another. � 1dr, Boardman replied that because of the bul.kiness of the ordinance the City said single fariily units could be developed in there v✓ithout having to go through the procedure of PD. Chairperson Harris �aid that he i�ould like to see some type of general ploti plan before they tooY, any action. hs. Rotter said he i•ranted to do a plzn of it� and this was just for discussion. T3r. Peterson asked if they were asking the petitioner to spend mbre money on rezoning than if he were io develop it undcr P.D., and i�ir. 3oardman said he thought something like this would have to Ue ioorked out as far as cost �oes. r1r. Harris asked where else the City had a PD, and 1�Ir. Board;nan said he thought this was the only area in the City. Mr. Bergman noted that F?r. Bo2rdrnan had said the area North o� the creek was developed, and asked rrnat public benefit iaould be served by rezonin�; the area around Fairmont Circle iahich was already developed. l�ir. Boardman anss:ered £hat it would stabilize ihe pronerty the houses were on. Mrs„ Gabel raised the ouestion of financing for strnctures in PA areas, and I�ir. Rotter reulied tha� there had been one ouestion raised ir,� an attorne,�• when the horth section r:as financed. He said he ha3 sho:=n the attorney t::e minutes o£ the Council meeting saying they �,�ould allo4:* the area to oe deceloned as residential even though it t:as PD, and he said that rras fine. Airs. Gabel asY.ed about the feelings oi the lending institutions, and Is. Rotter realied he had closed on all the loans himself and there hadn't been any problems. Mr. Langenfeld said that since it �as his understandinp that this u:as the only PD area remaining in tl.e City� one advantage in granting the, request iaould be eliminatir.g another portion of the ordinance to deal l:ith. .�`s. Rotter s2id ' he didn'L i�ant to cnange it, but iaanted to be allo:�ed to hnild houses in the area. He explained i£ the property was all rezoned back to R-1 he would have to come bacic in at a future date and ask for still another rezonin� in order to build the apartmen�s. ASr. Ber�man asked iS ',;r. Rotter Mas in a position to c�:.cae in :a:tli a.rel?^�nary plat, and l�ir. Rotter said he could do that. Ae said it was platted no;, an3 he just tiaanted to replat it. }ie explained he iaould just be changing some of the lot sizes, and all he really wanted to do was chan�e the street. Pir. Peterson Said that then the zoning request was really a Staff recuest� and Alr. Rotter suid that was carrect. Pir. Peterson asked what the additional cost i:o�l�dabe to the property oxmer if he.reaoned, and t?r. Boardman said about $1'�y �• �{r, gpardman said the only other way the,y would do it would be ior the City Administration to reouest the P1<3nning Coi�:nission io petition for rezonin� on the entire PIl area. TIr. Rotter stated he thou�ht tliat was ridiculous. :�3Y P]nnning Commission 14eeting - Septcmbcr 8, 1976 Pa�e 13 �� Chairperson Iiarris said the problem he saw with the whole thin� y�as tne City Council had set a precedent. lie said he thought it would be very dilfi.cult to requi.re the Ylanning Commissi.on to initiate a rezonin� without the neti.tioner's concurrence. Nr, fSoardman pointed out that t}Sey had never done it beTore� and Mr. Harris said he u�ould like to tall; to ar� atturney Lefore they got too far down the line, Chairperson Narris su�gested that tir. Rottor draw up a plan and Uring it in for them to look at� because ri�;ht noca the,r �rere ju�t battin� at noonber,ns. 19r. Rotter said that ��rhatever r:as decided, he wanted to get it expedited so some engineering wor'.: could be done by early sprin�, Ne added that :�e vioiil.d bring in what he wou:td like to do and lei the Comnission review tbat, bui he woulc3n't be here to rezone the property unless it was the only way he could get residsntial an there. , ASr. Peterson stated that.what bothered him :ras that it rras a StGTf situation � maY.ing a decision over something tnat had 'neen done Yor t:�e Sta;P's con•�enience. Ptr. Boardman said that Stai'f was not mak:.ng a decision, just a reca�.TMendation. MOTI0;1 by Langenfeld, seconded b,y Peterson, that the Pi�nning Coc��nission tab7e the consideration oi rezoning the PD District (Plar!ned Develo;,ment) in ihe E100 block East of East River Road to 'i-1 (sir.gle-Sw�ily d•�•reilin� areas), uniil the necessary information vzas recei�ed to make a proper decision, Nr...'s�^gnan said h_s only comneat ��;as tha�� rie .:as a little unco�!iar�able wit,h this: UPOP,' A VOICE YOTE, all votir.� a�e, the motior. carr>ed unan_-�o;<s�Y. Mr. Boardrar, said that at this time he would like to add to tne agendz Item 16� a Discassion on the Beer Ordinance, as P;r. i�larvin Brunsell �.aas present to give them ad3itional information an3 answe^ questions on this topic. Ci�airperson Harris said it would be in order to suspend the rules and take up Item lb, MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Plannir.s Cor2mission suspend the rules and t�ke up Stem 16. Opon a voice vote� all voting a��e� ti:e motion carried unanimously. 16. nzscusszo?�� c?� �::r� c�?n��nr���; F;r, Brunsell si.ated t'r.at this had been before the Pla:�ning Cocunission, and it came Uefore tliem Lecause oi' the fact that the City had a problem iaith issuing a beer on-sale license at a particular locat�.on for a particular kind o£ event. He said he didn't believe that norr�ally the P nain� Commission would be involved with str tly licensin�-type situ ons. He said this one was sort of a zoning type of ti' and hola th y controlled it, and that was apparently how it got to the Plannin� ion. AIr. Brunsell said th. e Plannin Commission, xs he recalled, gave appirova7. to nn ordinnnce th went to the Cit ouncil, nnd it was passed on the firsC reading, H�d that before it came Ua - to th� Council, A;r. Herrick redrafted the ordi�ice based quite a bit on a mo3e1 rdinance and substantiall,y chv��;cd the ax`dintince the Ci;.y Cuuncil acted on. ]!e sta;.e9 tt�at the Council now passed � i � � � � � � � � � � � � � . , �� � , se OFFICIAL NOTICE CI7C -0F FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, October 6, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: . Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S, #�6-09, Deleier Addition, by Donald M. Leier, being a replat of Lot 32, Auditor's Sub- Division No. 129, to allow the development of 3 R-1 Lots (single family dwelling areas) and 4 12-3 Lots (general multiple family units) all in the North Half of Section 12, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located in the 150� Block between 73rd Avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Publish: September 22, 1976 5eptember 29, 1976 RICNARD H. HARRIS CHAIRPIAN PLANNING COt�iMISSION -�.�v; � -,N, > � � NUMQER�����'fly ci�r or r•ato;.eY asiN�.�;so�rA PLANNING AND ZONINC rORM TYPE OP REQUBST ��- 69 APPLIGANT'S SIGNATURG ,nG�H�L�� �(�jQ. y's Rezoning ; . � 5-S`(! Z AJdress �� G% -- 3 `���I/� �A% /U:L : �/^���o � Special Use Permit Telephane Number �,��— �-��^�j �� PROPGRTY O14NER'S SIGNATURG , �a_�i!/ C� e i Address �,�C��,,,_q �.Approval of Premin- inary $ Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other Telephone Number ,p�R,,� ' ,� � Fe��G' �Receipt No. �'���2 Street Location of Property Legal Description of Pm�serty ���' 3 Z /��„��„r� Su�� ��% Present Zoning Classification��3 Existing Use of Property Acreage of Property Z Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type . �f use and improvement proposed 5�./p —�,ca � , ) c %Yl �, ) �"i ,,, �,o C' cr.����G _ ,L c!%5 Has the present appli-cant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or ' variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.of it? yes_1Cno. {1'hat was requested and when? r �' The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and otitmers of prcperty within 300 feet (350 £eet for rezoning) must Ue attached to this application. (b) This applic�tion must be signed by all o�uners of the property, or an esplanation given why tl�is is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resultirig from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property o�aners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketcli of proposed property and structure must he draian and attached, sho�ving the � ' following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of nroposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (ivithin 300 fect)•� •The undersigned hereby decl�res that all the facts and representations stated in tl�is � application are true and correct. C_ � DATC �� �j' �G SIGNA'CU2F; �f� ( PPLICA� .f) , Date Filed _ ___ Date of llcaring �L�!`. �� �l %{n ' Planning Commission Approved City Council Approved (dates) Ucnied [dates) Denicd MAILIN6 LIST #76-09. Deleier Addition Donald M. Leier 519 3rd Avenue N.W. New Brighton, Mn 55112 Mr. & Mrs. Stephen Klick 1535 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 K.B.M. Investment Company 3005 Ottawa Avenue Sout{t Minneapolis, Mn 55416 . � Mr. & Mrs. Vincent Tappe 1600 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � ' � ' ' r � � , � ' , , Mr. & Mrs. David Tyree 1641 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridiey, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. 2obert Persgard 7430 Lakeside Road N.E. Fridley, tdn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Everett Schmidt 7400 Lakeside Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Anthony Bourdeaux 1533 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. �ick Gregor North Branch, Minnesota 55056 Mr. & Mrs. Chester Ewer 1565 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Steins, Inc. 1420 West 3rd Shakopee, Minnesota 55379 Mr. & Mrs. Keith Porter 1620 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Marxen 773 83rd Avenue N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55432 Planning Commission 9/21/76 Counci1 Mr. & Mrs. Lawrence Alpert 1500 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Klick 1506 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. 5teven Nalepka 7360 Pinetree Lane N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Koroschetz 7350 Pinetree Lane N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Paden 1533 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Roger Pfeiffer 1510 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Schlemmer 7361 Pinetree Lane N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr: & Mrs. John Eggert 7351 Pinetree Lane N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. Harold Blomgren 1530 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Rueben Nordin 1540 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. David Machart 1545 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 . Mr. & Mrs. Roy Scherer 7418 t4cKinley Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Earl Follmuth 1621 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � , � � � � � � , � � � � ' ' �� � � � Mailina List, Pa4e 2, P.S. �76-09, Deleier Addition Mr. & Mrs. John Gorman 1611 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Locker 1601 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, M� 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Peine 7419 Lakeside Road NE Fridley, Mn Mr. & Mrs. Clayton Borchert 7437 Lakeside Road N.E. Fridley, Minnesota 55432, d{� , � , � .3t: €� �. ; . . , ,,.:r. I ,. b� � � � c Y � �V _ a r r. : N � ) �i .{ ' � � �' � O �� �� � �" � � f6 ' � }� � � �� �A � i� � � � !, 6 h . _ � N � � � � � • , _._ p \ � �.�./vw.f LJ � , W:/ �J J�� _99la : rr �i .., _"'."_._ _ �::?FO. 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Cs. : �� f � n � � ; . i � ___� "t� 1 I� 1 TG fl9A0 ..- IryV.89t.0 (4C10) ,�p2 � ; ., ,,. - .� . ,- �_ __- -- ------�-- -.__�__,.�q, s _ _ ��t,_._� � _---,, �-�_,� � N , � _—_ . r�i':rii;-� i� f�Yl ic' ,.__.. � �f5 6B LOT SPLI7__I�PPLICATIOfd CITY OF FRIDLEY �I � o-c n. a� e 0 y, o � � ,r, � �� � •� � 3 � +5 N � � � v, s o m o •� +�m� 0 0 rl U� r1 Ri u `¢. N ? R UI i� cd O U O F1 �-i P+ m � � , , APPLICAP�`P: Renneth A and I(aren E. Gasper ADDRESS• `JO1 Rice Creek Blvd. :�' E. Fridlev 5��+32_ S �-o��,t City Zip Code TELr.PIiONE �� 574-� 7s1-�o61 ex 6�Jnn Home Busines� PROPE.41'Y OWIdF.�i(S� . .� �e� , -,.•� T ,,�c-`� �'o ..,_Gexald_`s. _:,��:�n4a_�. Davis-. /�� /G �- ��� E . io ��� �1E �� � TiSP: 0"!T Applicant's tiamc Kenneth A�,Gas�er Lot Sp1it �f � -� _'- � �= C 5 Date I':iled: Fee:��oi�'auHeceipt �� Counci7. AcLio.n:Dat.e RI]�'1l�FtICS : rC�, I�DDRESS(ES�_ 185 �ice ^ aev.,•-; .Fri�ile- i- — Street City Zip Code l g g•.g;v� ��: � -r..'ll�i �..:i;v cL'on Street City `Lip Code TELEPI�OI� ��5�_57�w n �7c ���n Home 3�usiness Property Location on Stree� or F�cact Street Add'ress �IF AI�'� Between 475 Rice Creek Blvd and 501 Rice Creek Blvd. N.E. Legal Descrip�ion o£ Property: See attached sheet Reason fos Lot Sp1it: The applicsnts Wish to plrch�se the land as it is a flat area that their �+ chil�ren cou�= usa for recreational activ�ties such as catch. Araa SU t 'Lonin„ Cla�:;i.�:ic� tion ' ' The undersi�ned hereby declares that all the i'acts and representations state3 in this application are true and correct. � DATE: ����„/9 %�n SIGNATURE �n _'�, ,�l ,'VlY n.�n o/l / i REi�OiJ POR CITY USE ONT,Y ' PT,ATS & SUBS: Date of Co.nsideration - Remarks: (See reverse side For additional instructions YLANNING COPS'MISSION: Date o£ Co.nsideration - Remaxks: CITY CO�JNCIL: Dute oP Co.nsideration - Remarks: � ' ' � � , t ' ' 1 ' 1 1 1 � 1 1 ' 1 INVOICE 485 TO Kenneth and Karen Gasper SOi - Rice Creek Bl.vd. Fridley, Minnescta 55432 This fnvoice serves as your receipt for purchase o!: the South Section of Lot 8, B1ock 1, Holiday Hi11s £rom Lot line to SS' North. Attached is the certi£icate of Survey with area marked in red, Purchase price is $30.00 per £ron[age fooL- x 55' _ $1650.00e Purchaser agrees to update his title. Mschael and Ruth McNiff 3-,�% � �� / 485 - Rice Creek Blvd, /j�' /lii. �'���� !//;4��� Fridley, Minnesota SS432 l� � � - �r0,�.. �,i� %J � � , .. ...: ;:__._. r.: .�,.s�� � .._ �.. „. 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Eleeir asa:grts, t7ie s:crcico: of said parties, ¢nrC Uie Tasirs attd �AROKe f the mn•icror, Forrzzr, ¢2E We tr¢eL..._. or p¢rcel...... oJ lan�l iaing ¢nd Lcina in the Conr.E� of .._..........._........_..._..._._.._..._..___.._...and Stale of .YinnemF.a, deam•ibul at folioms, ta-�uit: Lot 9, B{oek 2, Holiday Hills; and that part of �ot 8, Dlock 2, Holiday Hil!s, lying Southerly of the Follovrinq descr(bed Iine: Beginning at a point on the � Easterly line of Lot 8, 15 feet Northerly of the Scvfherly corner of said Lot 8j thenee to a point on Yhe Ylesterly line of said Lot 8, Ij7 feet from }ha r.wst Southerly poi�t of lot 8; artd that part of Lot 8, Bfock I, Hotiday Hills 2nd, lying SoutheasteNy of the follo�xin9 described line: f3eginning at a ooint un the Westerly line of said Lot B, 20 feet �orthr;esterly of the Southerfy corner of sald Lot 6; tl�ence to a ooint on the Easterly line o! said Lot 8, 99,65 feet ft°om the most Southerly point of Lot 8, Anoka County, A1i��esote, accor6ing to Yhe duly recorded map or piat ihereof, Subject to restrictions, reservations and�or easements of record, if any, �i..... 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' -��' a �.�cA o ; 'r�i�i \ �Ji �:ii�Jt�i:S� � 1 � '�\' .�,;H � _��s..__� -! �� � ��� �� h � � �+ i � �� n� � � � �� a�i � ' .4� � ��+ � J� � q� �bl= 0 1, h�� J' N -�=_-�_ 06 K3. r e� � �� . �!� 1 N� \�� � 1 �t �h`u_".'��+,��°""�'a:a=:— ! •�f .wi .. i�. � ��Ci� L:! ` v � w� 1•L �� sas sis : or�;D� V � � � � R�J [� O: i �� z�� a 1-:�_._'-t \ " �O ` �° +� � ^ ' Gi � ti ' O' � r � tiw ; ' : ; ��Y£� �o �' � � co h � i � i i �� . ,d. � ;.. _i _ I I � , : 1 IFYg . � o�VS +. .. e:� .ie 7 � T -- � eyYB s9�ou ' bF w�``: �---. �J � ..--� March 30, 197b � � • � �[e, Janice and 6enedict I3ovak, 145 71st Way, Fridiey, Minnesota, � 55432, are the �wners of Part of Lot 34 (Parcel 5200), Auditor's Subdivision 77, Fridley, Minnesota, and hereby petitior� the City � of Frid7ey to put in water, sanitary sewer, storm sewer and si:reet to serve the above mentioned property with the understanding that: 1. The total assessmeni costs of water; sewer and storm sewer under Project �1119 and street improvement under Street Ymprovement Project ST. 1916�1 for said property w911 be � t i, 9� s' 4-5— 2. The roadway width serving tfiis property will be 25 feet with concrete cur6ing an8 blacktop surface. 3. We have received a fair market value offer of $� E> l. E�, from the City fer dedicating the easterly e4ghteen feet of said property (which is presently a private roadway easement) to the City of Fridtey for purposes of street and utility construction, and we accept that offer. 83 ��-. 'T H 1 S c� s r f� p xi-,�r�+�>4• �-�N 7 c s ����c� e�-,: 5 i `- f j! F� Lj '% !(�= r`� f`nr �'i �` --1'y Lr✓ J�._ % c✓"y' L' -� `T 5 c i,-` �-7 � �� f 'T !-�i � C' / i ;� G•.:-zri zp � : j L-� : !�-c� P�'o (''c�-t= i' a `� w= � s �T � %") `��yc� r�-y� � s� �� � � � �� - F' c-� T �T r �%�; �� �.��� � c�: .; s-, �- � ; c� s <«� r 1 f'vu�<.t � �-71 C'-�'7��,j i/ ,V.? �u�,�. �� �� �-f� �,�� J � „ � , �� � � � � � �� , � CqR�RRiITY DEVELOP'MENT COI+AflSSION MEETING SfiPTEMBBR 14, 1976 ., Mi21BER5 PRESENf: Herman Bergman, Dennis Schneider, LeRoy Oquist, Hubert LindbLad �BRS ABSENT: William Forster OTHEBS YRESENT: Jerry Boardman, City Planner CALL TO ORDER: Chaixpersnn B@rgman called the meeting to order at 7:37 p.m. APPROVE COt�ifTNiTY DEVELOPMENT COMPffSSION MBETI�AIG MINUTES OF AUGUST 10, 1976: MOTIOti by Dennis Schneider, seconded by Hubert L3,edblad, to approve the minutes as vritten of the August 10, 1976, Community Development Commission meeting. IIpon a voice vote, al2 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman stated that, regardiag the zoning code review on garages, there was a decision at the Planning Commission level to send ehat question to the Human Resourcea Cao�mission so that the Human Resources Commission could also review the garage proposal and City Staff is still researching. Mr. Bergman stated that a teaCative �eting has been set with Council on 40 foot lots for Ehe fourth Monday in Novamber (November 22, 1976). RECEIVE SIGN QRDINANCE PR03ECT COMPIITTEE ?fYNUfES OF AUGUST 23 1976: ?HITION 6y Dennis Schneider, seconded by LeRoy Oquist, to receive the minutes of tde �ugust 23, 1976, Sign Ordiaance Project Co�mittee meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. DISCIiSSION ON STATiTS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE PROJECT COMMITTEE: Mr. Schneider stated that he thinka the Sign Ordiaance Project Cwmittee is getting to the point of getting down [o brass tacks and starting to put together a list of apecific recarmendations with regard to ordinances. They are just about through sll the goals and objectives. He said they have compared the Brooklyn Park and Golden Valley sign ordinances. He said they had some good input from Mr. Ralph Carpenter, who is planning to show a movie at the nex[ project commiCtee meeting ahout a new eign. : COMM(JNITY DEVELOPMENT COHAIISSIQN MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1976 Page 2 Mr. Schneider explained some of the different ways o£ determining size of signs. Mr. Oquist stated he doesn`t like to see signs, especially the Menaxd's sign. He feels companies should not advert4se their merchandise on a sign. He teels all signs for businesses should be strictly business signs and not advertising, and he felt they should be restricted to size, Mr. Bergman stated that he thinks the reason Fridley needs a sign ordinance is because of the conflict in opinions of the non-businessman versus the desires of the basinessman and his right to a Cype of free speech which advertising is. Mr. Oquist stated that there should be some kind of restriction and the communi[y should have the right to put the restriction where it can legitimately be done. He stated that he liked xhe Brooklyn Park sign ordinance as it seemed to be very restrictive and seemed to have a 1ot af things which could be enforced. Mr. Schneider stated that the Brooklyn Park sign ordinance has not been adopted yet, but that, according'to Ralph Carpenter, the sign companies also seem to like that ordinance. Mr. Bergman stated that Columbia AeigAts are redoing the3r ordinance with prime empha4is on a more restrictive sign ordinance to help eliminate some of their sign problems. Mr. Oquist stated he felt that was relevant as Columbia Heights zs Fridley's prime neighbor when it comes to continuity and Central Avenue transition. Mr. Schneider stated that every cogmanity puts a size limitation on signs. There is the vezy real possibility that iE a sign company contested a size limitation in court (they haven't) that they could, in most cases, be ruled arbitrary. The general tone oE the sign companies is that they want Co do business in a community anQ they don't want to go to court unless the community puts them out of business. Mr. Bergman stated that he was impressed with how the Sign Ordinance Project Committee is coming along and is hoping that within the next couple of months, something from the project committee will be coming to the Community Deveiopment Conmtission Eor review. DISCUSSEON ON STATUS OF BIKEWAY/WALKWAY PR0.TECT COMMITTEE: Mr. Bergman atated that he had requested copies of the "Bikeway/Walkway Systems Plan" for each Commission memher. He stated he would like the Commission to study this plan more in preparation for a meeting with Mr. Vern Moen within the next eouple of months to discuss the position and program as the committee sees it and as Mr. Moen, as chairperson, intends to proceed. He also suggested for review, along with the "Systems Plan,^ the "Project Committee Description of the Bikeway/ Wa2kway Project Committee of the Community Development Coamiission." r � � � � � Ij � � ��p �-:s.�':� �:i � _ . . ... . . . b.Y._,..a ....: . ... . ..... . . .. . .� COt�MUNITY DBVELOPML�NT CQPAfISSION MEETING SEPTEN&3�'dt k4 1976 Pa e 3 . . — - . ..+�,-. g � Mr. 8oardman stated that the Bikeway/palkway Project.Committee vill probably not be a very active committee--meeting only once or twice a year. They will then meet � athen needed. They are set up to establish or review ss�y modifications or changes that wou�d come ahouC to the bikeway/walkway syatee�. The chairperson or Coum�unity , Deve'lopmsnt Conmission decides when Che commfttee shonld meet. _� � � w � Mr. Schneider stated that he has had same requests asking how to go about getting somethiag changed in the system. There shoald be same procedure ahich would trigger a meeting of the project coumittee. Mr, Boardman stated that the people should send in written requests to the City Staff who.would turn them over to the Co�unity Development Co�ission for review 8ad Ehe Commission may then reconmend that the project committee meet. He stated there is one problem with the cammittee right now and that is they are missing one m�mber. He asked £or any recoomendations the Co�issi� might have for a replacement for Hoberta Spaeth in Area 4. Mr. 13oardman stated that Stage 1 is pretty much completed, They have the correct striping aitd bicycle stencil on the county roads. They are still lacktng on the crossing of Locke Park, on East River Road to get scross Glen Creek, and have not yet done one on 53rd Avenue. They are looking at Phase 2 for 1977. Phase 2 is mastly bike routea--strictly signing along the road. They have an application into the AepartmettC of Natural Resourcea.for $58,040. This $58,000 3s for contact points. Yn oCher words, they have laid out six areas where they need to develop in order to tia the developmeut together. Locke Park is prioriYy #1, the one connecting Locke Park Trail north to Osborne is priority #2, and the East River Road portion 1s priority $3, Mr. Schneider asked about the poseibili[y of putting directional arrows on the bike routes se tLere are numerous adul[s and children going the wrong way. Mr. Boardeian stated he could see no difficulty in doing that. It wauld only be a mattei� of making up another stencil and putting it down each time a bicycle stencil is laid down. � Mr. Oquist atated hYs concern about people walking in the bikewayJwalkway lanes. ` He wonders what problems they could get into over this. $e asked if there was going to be a provision in the ordinance to say that padestrians 6ave the right-of-way. Mr. Schneider broaght attention to the recommended ordinance 505.11, page 46, of Che "Bikewap/Walkway Systems Plan" which reads: • "When a bicycle is heing ridden upon or along a hikeway/walkway path, pedestrians using such path shall have ehe right-of-way and the operator or rider of setch bicycle shall turn oif such paEh ar disawunt to yield auch rfght-of-way.° Mx. Oquiat stated that publicity to the public Y�8 People. this is an ordinance that siill have to have a lot of as the majority ot the people using it are going Co be � : COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMlSSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 14, 1976 Page 4 Mr. Bergman stated that he is bothered about the fact that the typed ordinance recouanendations have not been promulgated hut there are bikeways. ' Mr. Boardman stated that they did not put it together; it was sent to the Police Department, who put it together, they sent it to the attorney and some changes had to be made, and then it was sent ta the Pol�ce Department again. Mr. $ergman stated thaC maybe the Commissi�n can look at the state of the ordinances He again stated he would like each Canmission member to look the "Bikeway/IJalkway Systems Plan" over along with the "Project Committee Description of the Bikeway/ Walkway Project Committee" for the next or following meeting. Ae believes Mr. Moen intended to call a meeting by late tall. Mr. Bergman said he would talk with Mr, Moen for any involvement, input, or suggestions of review that this Commission wants. DISCUSSION QN C�P1iJNITY DEVELOPM&NT COMMISSION CHARTER: hlr. Bergman stated that he had hoped for a tull attendance to discuss this subject. He stated he did not have anything specific in mind other than a consideration that the Commission might be wise to review what Lhis Commission is doing compared to what it has done, For that purpose, he said they do have a Commission Charter. and a list of "Community Deveiopment Needs" which came about as part of their'goats and obje�tives. The Commission did move proposing,Erom their view, a lis[ of goals and objectives. He asked Mr. Boardman if he could get copies of those. Mr, Bergman suggested that what the Commisslon might be wise to do is just readdress where the Co¢�mission is in compari:son Co-those things--strictly a review of progress or directivn. Mr. $oardman stated he was not.sure where something like this would go as Planning Co�ission is still working on their goals and objectives. Once those are established, thett this Commission will get iavolved in the impiesentation of those goals attd objectives. He doesn't see, at this time, what the purpose woald be or the functions would be to review the goals and objectives that this Commission sent to Planning Coum�ission until the Planning Commission has time to digest and establish what they feel are the goals and objectives of the coumiunity. Mr. Boardman explained that what Planning Commission has dnne is take all the fnput which came fran the member commissions and has established five basic goal areas in whieh they will be deveioping goals and objectives. These goal areas are housing, htiman development, security, vitality, etc, They are now establishing goals and objeetives for each of those areas, The purpose of establishing goals and objectives is to es*_ablish a basic broad framework to follow in estabifshing policy. That framework should not be the type of framework that would become obsolete after a year. The goals aad objectives should remain sound, What wi11 change will be the policies and the policy decisions, which can beeome obsolete. He stated the housing goals and objectives have been established. . � � COMMiTNITY�D$VELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1976 Page_5 .. . Mr. Bergman stated that he doesn`t feel the Community Development Commission should sit and mait for sanething to come back from Planning Commission. He can see no resson why the Commission cannot review its input and maybe decide to take some action on sane or revitalize something. Mr. 5chneider stated that he agreed with Mr. Bergman. He is interpreting Mr. Bergman to mean that this Commission is not limited in any way--that it has a whole broad range to look at. Mr. Bergman stated he felt it was in line with the Coomission's responsibility and with.Charter and makes practical sense that this Couanission could initiate an isaue, In that context, he has asked Che Commission to look back at the goals and objectives. � Mr. Oquist stated he agreed with Mr. Boardman, Since the Co�ission does not knov if those are their goals and objectives because the goals and objectives were only inputted to Planning Commission, the Cou�ission does not know if all of them have � been accep[ed as co�unity goals and objectives. He felt they should wait and review the housing plan which has been approved. � Mr, Bergman stated he would like to request as information or a reminder to the Couan�aity Development Commission members that along with Che agenda for their next meeting, Mr, Boardman include a copy of the processed Co�unity Development Commission � goals and ebjectives for refresher, review, or discussion. He also co�mented that the.housing maintenance code would probably conie bacic to the Commission by the next meeting. � Mr. Bergcnan stated that he Y:ad hoped Mr. Forster could have attended the meeting as MY. Ber�an wanted to talk about the co�issioners' attendance at meetings. Ae feels attendance has been poor and that the Co�ission is somewhat handicapped by � the lack of fnil attendance of inembership. ihe Co�unity Development Co�ission has the poerest attendance records of the commissions. He asked the members individually to try to improve on their attendance. � � � � i AD.TOURNMENT: MOTION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by Hubert Lindblad, that the meeting be adjourned at 9:06 p.en. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Che motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submftted, Q�[���. Ly e Saba Recording Secretary � , [1 , � � , � � � � ' ' ' ' ' ' , � � ., EAST RIVER ROAD PROJECT COPrI111ITTEE PREZIP,9IIdARY REC�T�'�idDATION TO FRIDiEY EA'VIRONNIENTAL CODJdISSIOA' September 21, 1976 Due to fast developing events at the Anoka County Engineering office, the East River Road Project Committee feels it necessary to submit an interim report and a list of recommendations formulated after reviewing information available at this time. Additional information is expected regarding relative traffic counts on the three��~terial north-south highways, r^.A.U. funding criteria, N;etro Council comments on our proposal for..an environmentally upgraded drive, State iiighway Denartment standards for speed limits, etc. As soon as the new material is received and reviewed, the Committee will submit a revised report i£ necessary. *'Attached (John Fessenden map of East River Road from I�fississippi to Charles Street) � � , ' , , � , 1 � , _, � � i ' , Backpround Information East River Road was widened from 2 lanes to 4 in 1957 when 47 and 65 were both antiquated roads by comparison to their development today. At that time there were i'ar fewer homes along 1 95 the road than at.present. Since then permits were issued for people to build homes while county and city officials knew of tremendous projected volume increases on the road. ti�lhat was a passable design for a road in 195? is now wholly inadequate. Today's commuter volume and today's residential demands require a 1976 solution v+hich fits into a 10 or 20-year plan for the development of Anoka County and the City of Fridley. tiJhen the �vest Ri}�er 'rY�eeway ar.d Northtown Corridor are completed, East P,iver Road will be the unly available road ior use as a scenic drive. Un2ess, that is, wz turn it into a`quasi-free�vay now. East River Road Role in f��ovinP riorth-South Traffic i . h;innesota Highway Department projections show that traffic in the M�ississippi to Georgetown segment of �ast River Road will drop from today's 20,000 or so, to a 1985 rate of 9,000 cars per day. This drop �vill be caused by road developments which they plan to compZete over the next 5 to SO years. Opponents of plans to reduce traffic volume on East River Road say that as the nor�hern population grows, East River Road will have to share in handling the increasing traffic load. They say there ' will be no other roads to take the additional volume. The Project �I [I Committee suggests those critics take a look at the State Highway Department's projections. ,�� 2 ss Traffic on East River Road is currently very heavy. The Committee believes this is caused by hi�h �peed Iimits and very few semaphores or other- hindrances to flowe A cownt oY semaphores on University, Central and East River Road from Sta Anthony Boulevard to Highways 10 and 132 show that East River Road over a distance of 7.2 miles has 7 semaphores and 2 traffic controls at schools, University has 14 semaphores in 7.6 miles. Central has 1$ semaphores and one railroad crossing signal in 6.7 miles. The course of least resistance by a substantial margin is East River road. �A comprehensive plan should be drawn which will gear the development of East River Road to the slower pace forecast for it by the 5tate. It would certainly be wasteful to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars destroying the environment along the river only to have a useless, empty strip of concrete in five or ten years. Environmental Problems and Recommendation A. On many days the smell of exhaust gases on the road is very strong. It is recommended that emissions tests be conducted before any modification to the road is approved to be certain that the modifications are consistent with the findings of the emission. levels. B. Noise levels are horrendous. Noise tests should be conducted also. C. East River Road has grown without the benefit of planning and it shows it. The County engineers have gone out of their way ��� , ' � ' ' ' , � � , , ' ' , ' � � , , , 3�� to stress that they have no plans for East River Road even now. The road is an eyesore that blights Fridley and Anoka County. The comprehensive plan for the development of the road should be drawn with input from �idley engineers and a citizens' group. The plans for the road should provide for a beautification program, which adds shrubbery, trees and bike paths, and gradually does away with power lines, billboards, etc. D. Residents west of the road find their children cut off from parks and other city prograr,�s by the deadly East River Road barrier. Pedestrian buttons on new and existing traffic lights, in combination with walks and bikeways and safer �raffic speeds_would alleviate this problem. The Bikeways Committee, one of our members reported, sought to design a bikeway for East River Road since bicyclists now use traffic lanes of the road to travel between neighborhoods. Because of the current problems with traffic on the road` however, it was decided ta route the bikeways elsewhere. This means that bicycles will still be present in the traffic 3_anes of East River Road. It seems the only solution is to alter the road to remedy the traffic problems so that the Bikeways Committee can properly route bike paths to take bicycles out of the traffic lanes. E. Residences, especially south of Mississippi, are too close to an extremely high ��olume road. The arrangement is unsafe for children and too noisey for conversation in homes adjacent to the road if a windo�v is open. Cars periodically hurtle off the road into residential yards. Because of the speeds at which they are 4 traveling, these cars go a long way into residential property through fences and trees before stopping. ..� The Committee recommends slowing down the traffic and containing it within hazard lanes. Traffic Safet,y Problems and Recommendations A. The number of accidents has been reduced recently through the efforts o£ the Fridley police. They have patrolled the area so thoroughly that average speeds have come down. The reduction in speed coincides with the reduction in frequency of accidents. A study of where accidents occur on 47, 65 and East River Road shows that there is direct relationship between high speed zones and high accident rateso Fridley policemen say that lowered speeds would be enforceable even without physical changes in the road. Bo N:any accidents �n East River Road occur where cars are attempting to make lei't turns without the benefit of left turn lanes. Left turns are especially dangerous because vehicles are moving in both directS.ons at highway speeds with few breaks in the flow. A car waiting to make a left turn is in danger or being hit from the rear while a car knifing through a gap in oncoming traffic ' risks a head-on collision. �ther vehicles, pedestrians, fences , ' ' and houses are imperiled by the dodging and weavin� that results. `Phe Caunty suggests left turn chanelization and medians a:,� a remedy. The Project Committee agrees. The County also suggests traffic lights.at key intersections to create more breaks in the 1• � 99 traffic. The Project Com;nittee agrees, And nobody denies that lower speeds would make collisions less lethal. , C. Because East River Road is now a four lane expanse of tpavement with high speed limits, motorists are tempted to forget � � � , that vehicles are likely to emerge suddenly from behind snowbanks and blind intersections. High-speed roads are not usually designed so that this sort of thing can happen. �otorists don't expect to find school buses stopped in a traffic lane and routinely drive through the extended stop arm. On at least one ocoasion a car rear-ended a bus that was stopped, with lights flashing, loading school children. 5ix-year-olds on snowbanks, ten-year-olds riding � the edge of the traffic lane on bicycZes, pedestrians waiting on the centerline for a chance to finish crossin�, all startle , • i5f motorists and cause them to swerve into adjacent lanes. Although it would appear that children are the ones in danger here, commuters actually suffer the injuries. To date they have usually succeeded in not injuring children but have overturned their automobiles and collided with or sideswiped others. and a lot of pets, of course, have been hit by cars. Some chi2dren The Committee recommends that the speedway appearance of the road be altered so motorists are not tempted to endanger themselves and residents. D. Current pedestrian crossings marked by signs and painted hash maY�ks on the pavement but not controlled by tra?fic li�hts are dangerously deceptive. If a child ever attempted to use one o£ these during a busy time the results w�uld be catastrophic. , . � , .� . These orossings should be upgraded to have traffic control li�hts. r,-,� , 6 10� E. City buses use the road and provide an excellent service to the city and neighbcrhoods to the north. The buses do present '- a hazard now, but the Committee's plan provides space for them to pull out of the traffic lane when stopping. �'he various county ' ' v , � I � � � , , l� ' J plans provide the same feature, but the county plans require wider.ing the road by 35 feet or more, v�hile the Committee's plan requires 7 Peet of widening. F. Although we currently have two lanes of traffic in each direction, we have buses stopping in the right lanes and cars making left turns stopping in the left lanes. The Committee's plan . :�. provides sheltered left turn lanes and hazard lanes on the right for buses and stalled vehicles. Even though the Committee's plan calls for one traffic lane in each direction, it should be obvious that this change does not represent the severe constriction of the road that is at first apparent. Northtovm Corridor The Northtown Corridor freeway with a bridge over the river to a l�Jest River freeway could be the ultimate solution to the most annoying traffic problem in Fridley. It could be, that is, if used to relieve pressure on the Fridley thoroughfares. An exit to East River Road is currently provided for in the most recent Pvorthtovm Corridor plan. An exit there woulcl ensure �',s �. 1 , 101 F continued fighting over the future of East River Road. The City of Fridley should make every effort to prevent construction of a cloverleaf or exit there. � Summar,y � � �J lJ � � , � 10 Not enough lights - most acciden�s occur where left turns are attempted without traffic lights. Lights shouZd be added at 63rd, 69th, 79�� and 132• 2. Slowing dovrn traffic is iMperative. No matter whose plan is accepted, accidents can be expected to continue - children, dogs, many intersections, blind cu�ves, all of them cause accidents in residential areas. Cars traveling at 3Q mph cause far less damage than those traveling at 4j mph. The County engineers agree with this, the P'ridley policemen emphasi2e it. The City Council should ask for reduction in speed limits from the State. � 3. A lane between where people drive and where they walk is needed. This type of lane is known variously as a hazard lane, ' , ' , � ' shaulder, or transit lane. The plan offered by the East River Road Project Cottunittee provides for a paved 10 £oot shoulder and paxking lane on each side while widening the road only 7 feet. 4. Left turn channelization and medians are needed from Georgetovm to F'oley 3oulevard and can be installed without widening the road more than 7 feet. � �� 5. Existing lights and all the new lights should be operated by timers to produce breaks in the traffic at regular intervals. iNhen there are enough lights the timers can be coordinated to hold traffic within the speed limit as they do in Dlinneapolis. 6e All lights should have pedestrian buttons and "No Right Turn on Red" signs to safeguard pedestrians and bicyclists. 7. 14ith 30 mph traffic moving in one lane in each direction and with left turn channelization, bikeways could be safely and inexpensively constructed along the road from Georgetovm to the northern border, a tremendous asset for the metropolitan area. 8. These recommendations are substantially less expensive than any other plan for modification of the road available today. 9. East River Road will continue to be a thoroughfare. Lae L3 feel that to recommend that it be converted to a sleepy side streel; restricted to resident traffic would be unrealistic although there are many who advocate �his. East Itiver Road can continue to serve the northern county and develop into an asset of the metropolitan area if safe volumes and speeds are achieved, and if it �radually takes on the appearance of a parkway. � )��! S%/,'.rl"7 �� � __ o , ;o ,� ', 1 ~` c, �, ; � i � ; ,;, i .� � p ' , „ _i� . � \ �' � _ �� � % � ' �' � � � � � \=( o �', P�' � , � �' d`� �� ' � ; ��� ���; ,a �a , d _o� ,. °� � - = _�---- �s - �--[� 7`. �D � � O ❑ tj � i ti? : D- �' �,i \ ` �' -r ❑❑ `� l�, � o� �,7 _. � -- , � �,Y � �'_�❑❑ � � V � � \ �Y ' � i' 1 a o q �� `, „ , � � �tiR: —,; ., ` ; _� J C] (p `� J`� �i � � �— e —� �o� 1 ' � go:� � FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBr."R. 28, 1976 MFaiBERS PRFSENT: Schnabel, Barna, Gabel, Kemper ' MEi�fBERS ABSENT: Plemel OTH�S PRFSEidT: Ron Holden: Building Inspection Officer The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Schnabel at %:l�5 P.M. APPc20'JE APPEAIS C0��IISSION T?INUTBS: �EPTII�BE.R 15, 1976 Mrs. Gabel referred to the second paragraph on page 11 and the statement she had made that it was encouraging. She explained she meant it was encouraging to see fees lowered where they were higher than the actual costs. MOTION by Kemper, seconded by Barna, that the Appeals Corunission approve the minutes of the September 1S, 1976 meeting as amended. Upon s voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried ��nanimously, l. REQUEST FOR VARIANCES OF THn FRIDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLOidS: SECTIOn 205.0�3� 1�� Az TO Rr."DUCE THE FRO:r'T YA.RD SETBACK FROPI TgE REQ'JIR� 35 FEET TO 1t.5 FE�T TO ALLOW T?�E COi:STRUCTI0P1 OF AN INGROUND SI+/'L�II•fIidG POOL, AND SECTION 205.11t3, 3� TO I9CREASE THE !t `r`OOT hiINIP'Ni4 HwIGHT OF k rEtiCE IN THE FRONT YAR.D TO 6 FEET IN C?TJnR TO COi?PLY YdITH THE FE;,CE R::QUIHr"',r�:r'T OF THE SWI�IISING POOL OFiIIINANCE� AI.L IACATr,D ON LOT 12, 9LOCK 1t� BROOKVIE'.d TERRACE SECOND ADDITIO:�, THE SAt� BBING 999 OVERTON DRIVE N.E., �'RIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (Request by Mr. 8:r;rs, Robert Tonczak, 999 Overton Drive N.E.� Fridley� ;•iinnesota 55�32). MOTION by Gabel� seconded bg Barna� to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. pDAfINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIcT��h�PTT: Section 205.053� It, A� front yard setback oi 35 £eet; Section 205.1�3� 3 si�c foot fence requirement around swiimning pools. Public purpose served is that the front yard £ence and structure restrictions tend to keep front yards more open and aesthetically pleasing. B. STATED HARDSHIP: The front yard is the only place that the owner can construct a pool� and if he is allowed a pool he needs a six foot Fence to meet the City Code pool specifications. � � � , 1 ' ' � � � ' ' ' , � ' ' ' -�� Fridley Appea2s Commissfon Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 2 � ��� ' � � � , , , � r� � � � ' C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: This front yard is not typical in that the house faces the side of the lot; therefore� the fence and pool will not be in the front yard now used as front yard. However, it would lie in front of the home just East of the applicants. Siaff feels ihe variances should only be granted if the homeowner at 9$3 6Bth Avenue has no objection� since it would aFfect them the most, There is no logical compromise avai].able. Mrs. RoberL Tomczak was at the meeting to present the request� along with Mr. and Mrs. Dan Ault� 973 68th Avenue N.E.� the adjacent neighbors. Mrs. Tomczak showed the Board a plat with a rough drawing, and explained what she and her husband wanted to do. She said that if Mr, and hirs. Ault were not agreeable to the proposed plan, she and her husband agreed they wou13 not build it. She asked Px. Holden how far a pool had to be from t:�e existing property line, Mr. Holden exp2ained ii was considered an accessory ouilding so it would have to be at least 3' £rom the property line with a ver,�fying survey� or !t� feet without. a survey. He said that since there was no verifying survey� it would have` to be 1�=� feet £rom the property line. Airs. Tomczak stated that their existing fence was l� #'eet in £ro:n their property line� and would have to be extended, She explained they we;e proposing a 36' kidney-shaped pool, and showed how it would fit on their property and where the diving board rrould be. rlrs. Schnabel asked if there was a 3' deck requirement, and Mr, Holden replied there was. Ae said there was approximately 12' from the curb to the property, and another 1��' to the pool edge, so there would be a total o£ about 16�� from the curb to the pool, ' Mr. Ault stated that one of.his concerns was that the fence frould obstruct the view, and there would be a problem going in and out of his driveway, Chairperson Schnabel asked what type of £ence the petitioner was planning on putting up, and Alrs, Tomezak replied a board-on-board, the same type tney had at the present time. Airs. Schnabel stated that chain-link fences rrere also legal at 6'. Mr. Kemper said that this had been discussed severaZ iaeeks ago� and it had been decided a chain-link £ence was climbable. `�frs. Schnabel said it was the Building Inspector�s feeling thai a toddler would not climb a 6' fence. hirs. Tomczak stated she didn't feel a chain-link fence was sa£e, and she didn�t care for that idea. Mr. Barna commented that vertical board-on- board fences that gave no toehold were preferable. , Mr. Ault said that another concern o£ his was if he would be allowed to paint or stain his side o£ the fence. He said that they hadn�t yet reached an agree- ment with the Tomezaks regarding the fence in the back yard, and there was , some concern about the fence in £ront. He explained that he would like to stain the fence to match his house� but the Tomczaks preferred to ].eave it natural. Chairperson Schnabel stated it was the property owners responsibility to ' maintain the fence� unless the £ence was right on the property line, Mr. Holden said that if two neighbors put up a joint fence together� then they shared responsibility of the fence; in this case it would be the responsibility of the CI ' ' , � , ' � ' ' � ' � � � � ' 1 I � E�c,■ ' � ' Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 3�Q� � o�.mers. Chairperson Schnabel asked if adjacent property owners had any protection � against an unsightly fence, and Tir. Holden replied that accordiag to the complaint procedure the City Staff could discuss the matter with the adjacent , property owners and try to settle any questions. ' Mrs. Gabel said that this seemed to be a matter of one person liking the fence stained and the other person liking the natural a£fect� and everybne was entitled to their pre£erence. Mrs.Ault stated there would be a problem ' staining one side of the fence and not the other. P1rs. Tomczak said they could discuss that� but if the pool didn't go in the £ence would never be stained. i9rs. Schnabel asked if the existing shrubbery would have to be removed iS' the fence r:as extended� and Pirs. Tomczak said she thought it would. ' She added that the two large lilac bushes would have to be removed� but she hoped the smaller shrubs could be transplanted. Chairperson Schnabel said one concern she had Prom a safety standpoint was the encroachment into this area as far as driving dotim the street was concerned. Mrs. Gabel asked hovr many feet were actually going to be added on to the ience going toward the street� and i;rs, Tomczak replied about 33��• Mr. Kemper asked if there were any other variances granted on the street, and Mrs. Tomczak replied there weren�t any� and the houses 4rere in a£airly straignt line. Mr. Kemper com�ented this might be a rather severe visual encroachment for that street� and I•irs. Tomczak pointed out that they could put up a �t' fence if they wanted to. t4r. Kemper stated that the purpose of the ordinance rras to maintain an aesthetic open area, and this request was violating thai. Mrs. Tomczak commented they had not lmown until this came up that their side yard was actually their front yard, rirs. Schnabel asked how mucn traffic oras generated on 68th Avenue in terms of cars or children� and �Irs. ^lomczalc replied that a survey had been taken on Labor Day and in 96 hours there had been 3�� cars. Mr. ICemper asked tir. and r5rs, Ault i£ they had reached any kind o£ conclusion regarding their objections to this, Ntr. Ault stated that they had a natural concern, but they didn't want to limit something that so:�ebody else wanted to do. He said they wanted to be good neighbors but they didn't want the pool to detract from their property. Chairperson Schnabel asked if they had any particular feelings on the board-on-board £ence being extended down versus a chain-link fence, rSr. Ault replied that they would prefer a fence similar to the existing fence� but their concern was about staining it so it would blend in with their house, hirs. Ault added that she was also concerned about children being able to look down the street £or cars if there was a lot of snow piled up there. Mr, Ault stated that he had been under the impression that i£ he signed the release for the Tomczaks to build the pool, then he could stain the fence to match his house, hirs. Tomczak said that was fine� but her husband�s concern was that if the Aults moved.then they would have to keep maintaining the fence. Chairperson Schnabel also pointed out that if the Tomczaks should sell their house, then the new property otianer would also have to maintain the fence. She suggested that i£ the Tomczaks would be agreeable to allowing the neighbors to stain the fence� and they in turn were agreeable to the construction of the pool, perhaps they could reach a happy medium. Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page � ��1� Mrs. Gabel asked the Au1ts if they could speciiy what their Feelings oiere, Mr, Ault replied that they had no objections to a pool, but they were concerned with the location and the view and the fence. He stated the� did not want to object to someone doing something like that if tlie City agreed it would be in the best interest of the City and the property owners on the street� and he would leave it up to the Board, NIr. Kemper asked i£ they had the decision to build that pool� would they or would they not build it. Mr. Ault again stated they didn't object to someone buzlding a pool, per se� but they were concerned k�ith the location. He said he didn't ]rnow k*nat impact it would have on his property, but he thought it might make it more di££icult to sell, He added that they didn't want to be the ones to say yes or no� and felt it was some- thing the Soard had to decide. Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ it would be less objectionable to the kults £rom an aesthetic standpoint if in addition to staining the fence there 4ras some plantzng along the side� and hlr. Ault replied that was what they would do anyway. Nirs. Schnabel asked i£ in addition to the aesthetics� they vrere also concerned about the safety factor, t�frs, Ault replied th2t as a mother she �aas concerned about the vievr being obstructed in the winter and the children not being able to see cars coming. i�:rs. Schnabel corulented Lhat she £elt 121�� would be ample room to plow the snow. Chairperson Schnabel stated that if the Board decided to approve the request and there Vras no dissention from the neighbors, Staff, or Board, the Tomczaks could proceed caith constructior.. If there i•.as some objection, she said� then the'r!.quest would go to the City Council artd it k�ould be reviewed one more time� and their decision would become final. Sne explained that was :rn5- they vranted to lmoia how the Aults £elt about it before they took any action, and they wanted to make sure everybody had an anple opportunity to express their feelings. I✓;rs. Gabel asked when construction on this i-iould be started if a variance was granted� and rlrs. Tomczak replied they wou2d start next �.�eek. Airs. Sctmabel asked if they had talked to any of the ot}�e: neighbors, and Mrs. Tomczak answered that she had talked to every neighbor i�rithin 200� and no one else expresse@ concern. hlrs. Ault 2sked how the pool was going to be enclosed� and :�;rs. Tomczak shot�red her where the fence and gate would be. Chairpe^son Schnabe2 asked i£ they would have to enter the pool through the gate also� and P-irs. Tomczal: replied that was correct� there would be no direct access. P1r. Barna asked ii the poo7. area could be seen #'rom the kitchen crindo;a� and Mrs. ^lomczak said no, only from the bedroons. PIr. Barna asked how long tney had been planning this� and Pfrs. Tomczak replied since July� but they had just £ound out that their side yard was their front, yard when they talked to Darrel Clark. MOTION by Kemper, seconded by Barna, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� a21 voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. � A4r. Kemper stated he had a very severe concern about the amount of visual encroachment there woul.d be along 68th, He said they would be moving a structure out to 12' £rom the curb� and it would be the only structure stickin� out along � the street for several blocks, Air. Kemper said he had a stron� concern that they would be seriously violating an ordinance that said that shouldn't be � � ' , Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 done in the City of Fridley. Page 5 � �� , Mrs. Schnabel asked if the £ence across the street was 12' back, because in her mind that didn't seem like it Kas terribly elose to the street. Mr. Holden looked through the records and returned to say that there was no verifying survey £or the house across the street £rom the Tomczaks. Mrs, Schnabel looked , through the file on that house� and said it didn't tell them very much. 5he said they would have to proceed without that visual image in mind. ' Mr. Barna stated that his major concern was that there were thousands o£ lots like this in Fridley where the Front yard was the side yard� or vice versa� and although the si•rimming pool itsel£ would be £lush with the ground� it was , still an accessory building, He said that i£ they granted a va:iance for an accessory building in this case� they might be opening it up for garages and other structures in front yards. , ' , ' � ' Mrs. Gabel pointed out that it wasn't the Tomczak's Fault that it was their , front yard by a technicality, and Chairperson Schnabel said that it r:as an unfortun-, ate thing the shape of the lot created the problem. , , Mrs, Gabel asked if it would be conceivable they could nut up a�' fence on the property line and put in an above-ground stirimming pool. Chairperson Schnabel said that a six foot £ence krould be required. i�Irs. Gabel asked ii they would also need a variance for an above-ground pool� and Isr. Aolden replied it wo�?ld be treated the same rray. Mr, Barna said he objected to allowing a variance for an accessory struoture in a front yard. ' , d d b K r that the A eals Commission recorunend to � MOTION by Barna, secon e y empe ,_. pp , Council� through the Planning Commission, deni2l o° the request for variances to allow the construction of an inground ss.*imming pool. Upon a voice vote, ' Barna, Kemper and Schnabel voting aye; Gabel voting nay� the motion carried 3-1. , Chairperson Schnabel explained to hirs. Tomczak that tnis would go before the , City Council on the 18th of October, and she could present ner plans again at that time. 2. REQUEST FOR A VARIAIr'CE OF SECTION 20S.OS3� 1t� A, F�2IDLEY CITY CODE� TO RIDUCE THE REyllIRr➢ FRONT YARD SBT3ACK FRQA4 35 FEr.T TO 20 F��T, TO ALLO?r' THE CONSTRUCTIOid OF A D;:�LLING AIv^J GA.�AGE, LOCATr.-'D ON LOT 9, BIACK l, HEATHE� HILLS S�COND ADDITICN, THE SA:•IS BEING 6180 KERr2Y LATdE Id,E., FRIDLEY i;Ii+ivFSOTA. (Request by i�lichael E. 0'3annon� 5298 Fillmore Street N.E.� Piinneapolis, Flinnesota 55421)• The petitioner withdrew his request as he had designed a house that would come iaithin City Code. L_� , , ' , � , �'�f^ ' Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, �976 Page b � ��� , , , , � � , � , , ' 3. REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.0$3� 4� A, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO RIDUCE THE REQUIRED FROPiT YAFtD SETBACK FROM 3S FEET TO 20 FE3T� TO ALIAW TH� CONSTRUCTIOPI OF A D;�..LLIAIG AND GARAGE, TACATED ODI 7AT 10, BIACK 1� HEATHER HILTS SEC01dD ADDITIOTI� THE SAI� BEIIdG 6170 KERRY LAI:E N.E.� FRIDLEY� MINNESOTA. (Request by Michael �. 0'Bannon� 5298 Fillmore Street N.E.� Minneapolis� Minnesota 551t21), MOTION by Barna� seconded by Kemper, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voti.ng aye� the motion carried unaninously. ADMINISTRATIVE STAF`F REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY R��UIREP�fENT: Section 205.053� 1�, A� front yard setback of 35 £eet. Public purpose served is that the front yard setbac� restrictions tend to keeo structures back far enough to attain adequate open space ior aesthetic purposes, and also to make the space in £ront o£ a garage door long enough to alloror the parking of vehicles without encroaching into public right of way. B. STATED HARDSHIP: The grade o£ the lot ma;ces £urther setback require a very deep footing and the cutting Of t41U large oak trees. C. •A"'1IIdISTRATIVE STAFF REUIEW: This lot does fall away from t:�e street. Therefore� moving the construction back on the lot W0111C1 result ia tne lowering of the rear footing. Ho�aever� we £eel a home can be designed that c�ould fit on the lot that would not encroach into any required setbacks and iaould not be any further back on this lot with respect to the rear line of the house. We feel that the Corrunission will have to hear the petitioner�s reasons for the request� and receive the comments of the neighbors and then make a determination on the matter. Mr. 0'Bannon was at the meeting to �resent the request� along with i•ir. Ron Cadarell� 1293 Brighton Square� New Brighton� who would be the owner o£ the house Mr. O�Bannon presented the plans to the Board and explained that although the ' house vJOUld be 20� from the lot line� there i•ras a steep hill and it was wooded, He shot•red where the large trees were situated on the lot and how the house would £ace, and explained there was also a 10' boulevard so the '�ouse would ' actually be 30� from the street, He stated that he c•ras asking £or a 1$' variance because there was a steep grade in the rear, and as the house sat� the basement would be sitting out of the ground. � Mr. $arna noted that the property in back o£ these lots was park, so there would be no more lots behind these. Chairperson Schnabel noted it was 20' back from the garage side� and actually 26' back from the living quarters. ' i 1 Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 7 � _"•_'� Chairperson Schnabel asked Mr. Cadwell how many cars he owned, and he replied he had t.ro and had no plans to have more than that. He explained it was a four-level home� and showed which level would be at the ground level. 2-Ir. Cadwell stated he and his wife had been working with Mr. O�Bannon since last November and had discussed several dif£erent p1ans� but this was the one his wife liked. 1•IOTION by Kenper� seconded by Gabel� to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Tir. Barna stated he did not object to this encroachr.ient into the front yard as in the previous request. :ie explained that it was in line with the type of structures in the axea which were varying in their distance £rom the �treet� and he felt this made £or a very nice looking area. AYr. Ker�per stated 'ne didn't Feel they were violating the intent of the ordinance with this proposed variance, Chairperson Schnabel said that Staf£ had felt there could be another home designed that would fit on the lot with no variances� but tne petitioner had stated they had worked iv°ith a nw-�ber of dif£erent plans and this one £it their needs the best. She stated that while there may be another plan available that would meet code� it might not meet the petitioner's living requirements. Mrs. Gabel said sne agreed that there were areas where a little well-planned variety was a good thing. MOTSON by Kemper� seconded by Gabel� that the Appeals Corrmission approve the , request ;or variance. Upon a voice vote� a11 voting aye, the raotion carried ' unanimously. 1�. REQUEST FOr2 VARIATvCra OF THE r""'i.IDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLO;lS: SECTIOI'a 20S.13S, 1� (E,3), TO ALLO'vJ Or"F-STREc,T °f�'?KPiG TO BE TrTITHIN 0 FEET OF THE LOT LIP1E INSTEAD Or SBT 3ACK THE nE�Ul:tr.D y" FEET� Ai�TB� SECTIOid 205.135, 1, (E�it)� TO ALLOW O.FF'-STREFi PARICI1dG G,ITHIId 3 FEET OF THE PIAIPI BUILDIPdG� IidSTnAD OF SETBACfi TH :�QUI3F,D S FE.��71 � BOTY. TO ALI.O.•7 THE COiv'STBUCTION CF A SPECULATNE BUILDING TO BE LOCAT� ON LO'1'S 3, !� and 5, BLOCK 6, ONAlIAY ADDITIOPd� T;IE S'�'in BSING 7760 B�ECH ST�EET N.E. � FRIDLEY� P:IidNESOTA. (Request by Paco, Incorporated, 5920 Kirlcwood Lane, t:inneapolis, Piinn. 55l�27 ) . MOTION b� Barna� seconded by Gabel, to o�en the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting $ye� the motion carried unanimously. ADPIINIST�TIVE STAFF REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPO5E SERVED BY REQUIRII�IEDiT: Section 205•135, 1� (E�3)� Prohibit- ing parking any closer to a lot line than 5 feet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to provide for protection of adjacent propertg oamers from vehicle encroachment and to allow for a landscaping strip between properties. Fridley Appeals Commission 14eeting - September 28, 1976 Page 8 �»-�- Seetion 205.135� 1, (E,�), prohibiting parking any closer to a building than 5 feet, Public purpose served by the requirement is to protect the building from unnecessary maintenance due to vehicle's hitting the building. B. STATEb HARDSHIP: Land cannot be built on to meet code. C. AD1iZNSSTRATIVE STAF'F RSVIE?4: Staf£ feels that a full 5 foot divider strip should be maintained ai the property line� thereby reducing tne parking stalls to 18 feet in lengtn and the driving area to 19 feet in width. A1lowing the variance of 5 feet to 3 feet for parking area adjacent to a huilding would enable this to be possible. Mr. G. W. Paschke was at the meeting to present the request. Mr. Paschke stated he didn't know oi an;,�ahere in Fridley where tnere was a 10' strip between joint parking lots� and explained the problem the neighbor would have if there was a 10' strip. He corunented that 181 £or a par!;ing stall was awfully short� and a 10� island do���n the middle tiaould be nothing but junk. Chairperson Schnabel said that they were talking about a landscaping sti•ip, but Pir, r'aschke said that jusi didn't happen. P4r. Barna asked m*hat the building was going to be� and 'rir. Pasch�e replied he didri't lmow yet as iL was speculative� but it could be a warehouse or a factory. Mrs. Schnabe2 asked if he i��as going to go with zero lot line construction� and i�ir. Paschke replied he vras. Pir, Keraper asked unai the zoning was in this area, and I°ir, Paschke answered it was M-2. Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ there would be enough room £or parking and turning around if they srent with the 5� setback £rom the building but elimir.ated the strip. Mr. Pascnke said yes� but a 5' setback wasn't necessary. iie felt that 3' would do the same tning as S'. P4rs. Schnabel asked iP she was rignt in assuming that if he went with 3' and eliminated the 5� strip� there wouldn't be any problems. Mr. Paschke said that was right, and stated ii was possible to turn in 20' and showed how a semi could drive in there. Mr. Kemper asked if he couldn't move the wall of the building and meet code, and Mr. Paschke replied then the building wouldn't be fy0k. He stated that economically he couldn�t build there without a variance, Air. Kemper pointed out how the wall could be moved to meet codes� and A`s. Paschke realied that then the building would be an odd size. Fir. Kemper stated that it aopeared to him that hir. Paschke had designed a building to cover the l�Oo minimum and the rest he wanted for driveway� so he was requesting a variance. I�Ir. Paschke stated that the lot had been sitting there £or a lot o£ years� and they had designed a building to go there with the least amount of variances. I•ir. Kemper stated that a building could be designed to fit without any variances. rlr. Paschlce said that originally the building was designed differently� but Jerr,y Boardman had designed it this way. He said that if he couldn't build on 1�0�, he wouldn't build on it at all, He added that land was too expensive� and he would have to look for another site. Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 9 �2 Mr. Kemper asked if Mr. Paschke was saying the property line would eventually be one big parking lot, and Mr, Paschke said that was correct. He added that the owner of the other property had indicated he was going to pave it, and'that this was a joint parking lot and not property lines� as such. Mr. Kemper asked if he had a zero lot line agreement to build up to the property line, and i9r. Paschke replied he did. Mr. Kemper stated that he would have 35' for parking, and the code said 20' for a stall and 25' £or a parking aisle, so i•fr. ?aschke was essentially 10' short. Mr. Paschke stated there were many similar joint parking lots in Fridley, and Mrs. Schnabel pointed out that other corunercial areas which had adjacent parking lots might have been constructed before the code. Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ he had thought about this in terms of land- scaping� and Mr. Paschke replied there were several evergreens and other plantings. tirs. Schnabel said she was concerned to some extent about the adjacent parking going up to the lot line with blacktop since the adjacent property owner had submitted notning in writing. Mrs. Gabel asked ;f there would be any problem getting a written joint parking agreement. Mr. Paschke said no� except if it was recorded there would be trouble clearing the title on it. Chairperson Schnabel asked where the 18' for parking left them in terms o£ large cars� and ;1r. Holden said they would stick out a bit, hirs. Schnabel asked if 2�y' was ample room to back out, and I•ir. Holden replied it r;as close to what was required. Dfrs. Schnabel pointed out that i� that was reduced to 19' by having the 5' against the building and insisting on the 5' strip, it would be tight to move around in. P9r. Holden agreed, t.r. Paschke said they had considered diagonal parking, but it took about the same amount o£ room as striaght-in parking, plus it eliminated the option of backing out either way. Mr. Kemper asked if it tiaas okay to blacktop up to the line but not oark on it� and Mr. Holden said that was correct. A4r. Kemper asked wnat the percentage would be if the building was 65 x 99•5� and Air. Holden replied that would be 33.8% lot coverage. ' MOTION by Gabel, seconded by Barna, to close the Public Hearing vote� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. Upon a voice ' ' Chairperson Schnabel said that Mr. Paschke was asking to blacktop the parking lot out to the lot line and eliminate the 5' barrier between his lot and the adjacent property� and the code said he must maintain a 5' barrier bettaeen the adjacent property. D;r. Holden read Section 205•135� B� of the City Code, and said he interpreted that to mean he could pave all the iaay out to the lot line. htr. Barna said that tnen the recorunendation of the 5� strip was just a Staff recommendation� and not a code requirement. Mr. Holden said that c•!as correct, hirs. Schnabel said that then legally he could blacktop up to the lot line, but Staff was saying he should allow for a 5' strip as opposed to parking up to the lot line or using it for a turn-around area or driver:ay. She asked how close a driveway could go to the lot line, i�ir. Holden said he would interpret that as being a parking aisle. Mrs. Schnabel said that it was also a driveway, and Mr. Holden said that was true. ' , , � � ' � ,Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28� 1976 �' ' � � .,. { Page 10 ' Mr, Barna read Section 205.135� F� l�� of the Zoning Ordinance� r,-hich stated: The driveway pavement must: a) Be 5£eet from any lot line� b) Be 5 feet from the main building� and c) Have a minimum driveway radii of 10 feet. Chairperson Schnabel said she thought the situation had changed since i�Ir. Paschke had changed his plan, Even so, she said, iS that was interpreted as a drivew�y� then it still would have to be five feet from the lot line. Then it wou�d require a variance, she explained, but it would have to be a different request. I�frs. Schnabel asked T3r. Paschke how soon he planned on starting construction, and he replied in the next couple of weeks. She s�.id she was wondering if there was time for someone to make an interpretation as to if that was a driveway. 2•ir. Holden said it would be either a drive:ray or a parking aisle. b1rs. Schnabel said it was her personal opinion ihat it would be interpreted as a driveway� and the code said it must be 5' £rom the lot line and she would like to see that 5� maintained unless there cras strong reason not to main:ain it. Chairperson Schnabel asked if there was a minimum drivec,ray �Pening width, and Mr. Holden replied there was a maxiriura vridth, and there �ras a suggested �;�dth of a parking aisle of 25'• Mrs. Schnabel stated that if this had to be inter- preted as a parking aisle or a conbination parking aisle and drive�a�, she thought the Zoning Administrator should take a look at it, She said she felt enough up-in-the-air about it that she �,�asn't ceriain, h1rs, Sc:znabel stated that this would not go before Council until October 18th any^:ray, so i� it was tabled unti7. the fippeals Commission�s next meeting it could st_11 go before Council on the 18th. She asked i£ hir. Pascnke crould still start construction tnis fall if this went to the City Council on the 18th� 2nd he replied he would. rir. Barna stated he would need requests £or E!� and FLtA instead o£ E3 and EJ�. Chairperson Schnabel said she would like to get this moved, but personally felt a bit hung up on it as she rras not certain Staff knevr what this was all about because of the change in the parking stall positions. Air. Kemper commented he would like to see it written properly� and he caas not prepa:ed to act on this as it was. birs. Schnabel said they could act on it and either approve or deny it, and it would still go before Council. ;�irs. Gabel stated she didn't like to act on something when they didn't have any firm statements about what they were really acting on. � T10TION by Gabel� seconded by Barna� that the Appeals Commission recommend ' to Council� through the Planning Commission, approval of the Variance of Section 205.135� l� (E�1�) to aliow off-street parking within 3£eet of the main building� and send the other request (Section 205,135, l, E�3� to allow eff- street parking to be within 0£eet of the lot line instead of set back the required 5 feet) on without recorunendation due to lack of information and request that Staff make a determination before it goes to Council. Mr. Kemper commented that he didn�t like to simply pass something on to Council because they (the Appeals Commission) hadn't been given enough in£or^.ation. He said that if they had the proper in£ormation they could act on this variance request; so what they were doing was essentially passing it on to Council recognizing that the petitioner had a timing problem because o£ frost, L.J � ' ' , FY�idley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28� 1976 Page 11 � Y �'�_°. Mrs. Gabel stated that the petitioner had come here in good faith� and somewhere , along the line a mistake was made that wasn't his fault, and he did have a timing problem because of frost. Mrs. Gabel said she agreed xith what Mr. Kemper was saying, but she didn't Seel the petitioner should be penalized. � Chairperson Schnabel said that another problem was because Staff saw one plan and the petitioner showed the Commission a revised plan. Mr. Barna said that the problem was with the City bureaucracy rather tnan with the petitioner or the Appeals Commission� and he couldn't see handicapping the petitioner because of that error. He added that he £elt Staff should be able to clear tni; up satis£actorily before it reached City Council, and they would have all the pertinent information to go on at that point. UPON A VOICE VOT�� Schnabel, Gabel �d Barna voting aye; Kemper voting nay, the motion carried 3- l. MOTION by Barna, seconded by Kemper, that the Appeals fees be paid before this item appeared before the Planning Commission. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. S. REQUEST FOR VARIAI`ICFS OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLOt:!S: SECiIOPd 20S.13L�� Lt� C� TO RIDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK FRO.i TH.? RE�QUIRc.D 2y" F:Ei � 7.S FEET� AIv'D, SECTION 20�.135� 1� (E,3}� TO ALLOb7 OFF-S33�ET P&RKTPIG TO BE l�lITHIid 0 FEET OF THE 7A^L I,Ii7E Ii15TF,AD OF SET BACK Tn� F.ErJ,UIRED �5 TEET� AIdD SBCTION 205.135� 1� (E�11)� TO ALLOY7 OFr-ST.�EST P�u{IPdG ?dITI?IId 3 FEET OF THE P•AIN BUILDIidG IIvSTF,AD OF SE'T BACK THE REQUIF� 7 FEFT, kLL TO AIS,OZ�! THE COiVSTR[3CTI02i OF A SPECULATIVE $UILDIAIG OiV LQTS �3� 211, A'i1➢ 25� BLOCK 8� OA'AiaAY ADDITIO?d� THE SA•ffi BEING 7751 BI,Pf ST1��:T ;:.E., FRIDLEY� Y•iINNESOTA. (Request by Paco� Incorporated, �920 Kirle�sood Lane� Minneapolis, h:innesota 55I�27). MOTION by Barna, seconded by Kemper, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADt•IINISTRATIVE SiAF'F REPpRT A. PUBLIC PURPOSB SERVED BY REQUIRII��'1VT: Section 205.13lt� �t� C� required rear yard setback of 25 £eet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to provide adeouate open space around commercial structures for aesthetic and fire-£ighting purposes. Section 205.135� 1� (E�3)� prohibiting parking any closer to a lot line than 5 £eet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to provide £or protection of , adjacent property owners £rom vehicle encroachment and to allow for a ' landscaping strip between properties. � , , Section 205.135, 1� (E,l�), prohibiting parki.ng any closer to a building than 5 Feet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to protect the building from unnecessary maintenance due to vehicle�s hitting the building. , ' , '� Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Pa�e 12 ' g.-. � ' 1 � , B. STATED HARDSHIP: Land cannot be built on to meet code. C, ADMINISTftATIVE STAFF REVIE`,7: The proposed building size of 75 feet bY 97.5 feet will cover 7,It62,5 square feet. Lots 23, 2�, and 25� Block E3, Onarray Addition, total 17,100 square feet, The net lot coverage is �3.61�0; therefore� a variance to the lot coverage requirements of Section 205.131�� 3� A, is required unless_the building size is reduced, Staff has been in favor of rear yard setbacks in the Ona:ray area due to the shortness of the lots, and £eel that this request is justi£ied in light of past variances granted in this block. , The petitioner apparently is reluctant to enter into a joint parking agreement with Signcrafters to the South. Staff £eels a 5£oot green area should be maintained and the variance to 3 feet from the building ' approved. This Frould allow an 18-foot parking sta�l and a 19 foot driving area. � ' Nir. Paschke was at the meeting to present the reo,uest. Mrs. Gabel asked rrhy the Public idotice didn't mention the variance on the coverage� and Tir. Holden replied a variar.ce to the lot size hadn't beer. requested because they hadn't realized it would be needed until tonig�i, i•Sr. Kemper suggested that could be solved by reducing the building to 1�0%. , P4r. Paschke shorred the Commission rrhere the proposed building would be on the lots and iahere_the parking areas would be. Chairperson Sc'ruiabel asked if ne F�as_ going up to zero lot line� and htr. Paschke replied he t,=as. T•Irs. SchnWbel , asked if he had any kind of agreement on the zero loi line� znd he r�nlied he had a verbal aoreement� but nothing in i,rriting, P1rs. Schnabel infor:ned him he would have to get a written agreement before he could start construction, ' Chairperson 3c?v1�be1 said that unless Pir. Paschke decided at this meeting to change the size of the building� they might be better of£ tabling this i,rhole process until another notice could be issued £or lot size coverage. She explained ' that othervrise he would have to pay another fee and yrould have to come back for another hearing anyway. i•Ir, Paschke stated that he i�rould like Staff to help him decide how to reduce the building. , , P7r. Kemper stated that since h1r. Paschke was so amenable to reducing the size of the building� perhaps it could be reduced to give more adequate par'.ting. Mr. Paschke said that there was adequate parking. He said he would preFer to let Staff decide hom� to cut the building--from the back or the front; he was open to suggestions either way. � Ghairperson Schnabel said that this iaas the very same problem as before� with the additional problem o£ the rear yard setback� which might be reduced i£ the building was reduced in size. TIr. Aarna asked r1r. Paschke when he planned on 1 starting work on this� and he replied not until neact spring. I:rs. Gabel said then there rrould be no problem in tablin� this until the driveway problem was worked out and the building reduced. , ' ' Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 13 >.. � MOTION by Barna� seconded by Kemper, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Barna, seconded by Kemper, that the Appeals Commission table this item �ntil the following meeting� and direct Sta£F to get all the proper in£ormation. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Schnabel declared a recess at 10:I�0 P.i�4.� and reconvened the meeting at 11:05 P,M. 6, CONTINUID: ZOPiING CODE REVIE;d ON GARAGES 2�1rs. Gabel reminded the Commission that in h4ay they had received a request for variance on a dwelling to be located on Glencoe Street, and the question on garages arose at that time and the Appeals Commission h2d sent it on for more input because the code was very vague, hfr, Kemper stated the code didn�t mention anything about garages on lots 9�000 square feet and under, and as he recalled they had asked £or some kind of clarification on this. A;ow they were in receipt of the Co^ununity Developnent Commission's rninutes £rom their meeting o£ August 10� 1976� containing a zoning code review on garages. Chairperson Schnabel said that:;,he report from Community Development recommended that one enclosed garage space be provi.ded per dcaelling unit for the follocring reasons: 1. Reduce outside automobile parking. 2. Provide £or enclosed storage of equipment and materials other than automobile to enhance neighborhood appearance. 3. Reduce safety hazards which may result from outside storage of equipment and material. 1�. Promote the preservation and upgrading o£ the neighborhood and maintain a quality of living environment consistent v.�th the housing plan. 5, Provide for the security of stored goods in the neighborhood. Mrs. Schnabel recalled there had been a discussion on whether a garage should be tied to the dwelling or to the size of the lot. She noted from the Corununity Development minutes that most o£ the other communities did not treat the question o£ substandard lots at all. P1rs. Schnabel i.nSormed the Com�ission that the Planning Commission had tabled this item and had not acted on it yet. Chairperson Schnabel said that they had already approved construction on 50� lots and did not require a garage stall� but to her knowZedge no lots of under 50' had been built on at this point. She said they would have to address themselves totally to substandard lots� unless they wanted to separate 50' and above from 50' and under. , Pir. Kemper stated that through his motion on May llth he had asked the Commissions to take a look at the subject of garages and the requirements £or single or double garages� and the requirements for paved or unpaved driveways as they ' applied to any lot under 9,000 dquare feet. He said the minutes of the CDC meeti.ng addressed themselves not to lot sizes but to garages and houses. He , ' ' , ' ' , , , , ' ' , � � , , , ' ' � � 'n,''� A:.. ' ' ' Fridley Appeals Con¢ni.ssion Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 1!t wondered if the garage should be considered part of a house and not concerned with the lot size, and said that it appeared to be a sensible way to go about it, He added that he sensed something wrong back in May tahen they read the codes for lots over 9,000 square feet and they didn�t mention under 9,000 square feet. He stated he thought they should be tied to tne building and not the lot size� and this helped him understand what he thought the Cit�'s position should be regarding garages. Mrs. Gabel said she disagreed. She explained that next to her house there was ' a small house and garage on a!�0' lot, and because the driveoray +ras so c��ose to her property her fence kept getting lmocked down. Nir. Kemper said that maybe by requiring that each hone have at least a single-car garage, it ::ould , automatically prohibit building on !�0' lots� and that might be the appro�riate criteria they should be using. Mr. Barna stated that if they tied garages to houses on a 5�' lot� and i: the property owners wanted to upgrade it� they would have to put a garage on it, He said there was no way he could put a garage on either of the tc;o 50� lc�ts he oi�med rrith houses on them because o£ hills on the property. ::rs. Gabe2 stated the code wou�dn�t have to be written that way. 24r. Ker�per added that because something t�ras done at one point in time didn't nean sonething else couldn't be established that sai.d it couldn�t be done in the future. t�irs. Gabel said that under the present code system they haven't allowed any houses to be built on a0' Zots, but there were many homes built on ��� lots in the past.. Mr. Barna s2id that the information passed on to himse2f and the Council was that there Yrerenrt any !�0' lots with houses on them in Fridley. Chairperson Schnabel said there certainly were a lot of older drrellings in the C�ty uhich were on substandard lots and didn�t meet tne current code, but tnere hasr.'t been any neta construction. She explained that anything that vras built prior to the new code iaas grand£athered in� but what they said was from no�: on they zaouldn�t allota anything under 9�000 square feet. She added that could be done again, and what had already been done could be grandfathered in. Chairperson Schnabel asked the Commission if theJ wanted to :�ake a decision regarding this, and hirs. Gabel suggested getting somethin� from the Planning Commission on this, hirs. Schnabel said they should also bear in mind thai on November 22nd they were scheduled to have the hearing on 1y0' Iots h�ith the City Council, and said that perhaps at that ti;�e this subject snould cor�e up again. Mr. Kemper said that in his opinion they would acconplish nothing by waiting� and should therefore make some decision. rlrs. Gabel said she still felt very strongly that a garage should be a require- ment. She stated she thought it came back to maintaining a standard o£ living for peop]e who had lived in Fridley over a period o£ iime and maintained a quality of life� and she felt they owed something to the people kho had lived in Fridley a long time. Chairperson Schnabel said she had another problem with not requiring garages, and that was that garages were required for multiple dwel�ings. She sa.5_d she felt in some ways it would be discriminatory not to require a garage for a single-family d�aelling but require lls stalls for a rniltiple dwelling. NIr. Kemper said he felt it wouldn't be any more fair to require a garage for a Fridley Appeals Commission tdeeting - September 2f3� 1976 Ptige 15 ' � -g ..: �� � lot over 9,�� square feet and not for one under 9,000 square feet. ' Chairperson Schnabel sai.d that if garages were required, then there should be a review of the size requirements for structures built on substandard lots� if building on substandard lots was allorred. She suggested that perhaps the requirements for a two or three bedroom nome should be reduced and that t•rould , be t'�e answer to getting a dwellin� on a substandard lot with a garage. She said that if the lots �reren�t built on they became tax-forfeit property� and there was the problem o£ caho maintained them. � � Mr. Barna said he didn't go along with that on the grounds that it xould be protecting the present citizens because he hadn't heard any conplaints Tron anyone saying they didn't ��2nt a house on a 50� lot, P3rs. Scnnabel said there had been several. , , � , ' Afr. Holden said that P;r. Boardman had read a report by the h;etro Council ' concerning gasages and accessory buildings and it had said that in a survey , of 160 communities in the metro area� only 20 0£ them required garages of some sort. � � �] � 1 Chairperson Sc?ixiabel said that a*as consistent with Yrhat came out in PE�SPEGTIVES, a booklet published by the ?•fetropolitan Council. Sne stated that the Council had appointed a Ilodest Cost ?iousing Advisory Committee to studJ the e££ects of governnental regulations, taxes, rinancing, and housing industry practices on the cost of housing� and to make recoru7endations for reducing these costs, and they were to report their recommendations to the Legislature by Jar:uary 15, 1977. hSrs. �chnabel said she thoug�t several members of that committee said they felt that the reouirements of municipalities had become very restrictive toc•rard building private duellings which tne population could a:'iord. Sne stated they were looking for ways to allow construction o£ private dRellings so more of the population could affo:d to buy then� and one o£ those ways might be to not require garages and reduce the size requirements to fit on a lot. She added t!�at the Appeals Commissicn might actually be doing a lot of unnecessary work because the Legislature might come out with all new requirements. , � f� ' L 1 Mr. Kemper re£erred to the Planning :�eview On Single Family Garage requirenents , submitted by Jerry Boardman, and the statement which said that out of the 81 , eommunities surveyed, 6 recuired a one-car garage, !� required a two-car garage, and 71 required of£-street parking with no gara�e reouirenents. He was ' wondering if Fridley was one of the co:nmunities surveyed, and if so, if it vras , one of the six requiring a one-car garage, one of the Four requiring a two-car garage� or one of the 71 with no garage requirements. He stated that if Fridley was one of the six or the four, then what they were talking about was expanding , on the City Codes which already required garages for certain types of construction. , He added that right now the codes talk about garages £or lots over 9�000 square feet and multiple dwellings� but it didn't address itself to garages on sub- � standard lots. ' Chairperson Schnabel said that if they looked at the adjacent communites around , Fridley they would find one totally developed community on one side, and ' then Coon Hapids and Blaine where there was a lot of open space yet. She suggested that perhaps they could afford to be more open in their zoning codes. � ' , !_l �z tFridley Appenls Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 �'"• � ' , � Pa�e 16 � AIr. Kemper added that what was substandard in Columbia Heights might not be substandard in Blaine. Mrs. Gabel said that if somebody built a home on an eighty foot lot, they could eventually add a garage; but when somebody built a house on a substandard lot there was no room to add a garage. She said that was her concern--not with the large lots. She added that she was convinced that on the average 70 or 80 foot lots a garage would go up anyway. i hfr. Kemper said that the question was if they wanted to allow building on substandard lots� and if they permitted it they were essentially reducing the total quality of life in the Fridley area, A;r, Barna stated that he , £elt neighborhoods had to be considered, as in his neighborhood a substandard lot rras anything less than 50' P1rs. Schnabel said they had to consider that the people who were living on 50' lots had lived there for a long time. N:r. , Barna wondered if a substandard lot could be restricted in an area where the majority of lots were over a certain size. He said that regarding �0 and 60 foot lots� perhaps the best way to handle them was the way they had been-- on an individuzl basis considering objections frort neighbors. Mr. Holden asked the Commissioners Urhat their reaction would be i£ a motion was made identi.cal to the one in the Co:nmunity Development Commission minutes o£ August 10� 1976 by Williari Forster stating that one enclosed garage s^ace be provided per dwelling for those £ive reasons listed. *1r. Barna saifl that he personally would vote no. Mrs. Gabel said if she ::ac to nake a decision she would vote in £avor of it, Chairperson Schnabel stated that she would vote in favor� but was concerned tney mighi be spinning their wheels because if the Legislature acted on this t?�ey might nave a�ahole neia set of laws. She added that she :aould be inclinded to say a garage stall was needed for every dwelling from an aesthetic standpoint, ard added that she felt the majority of nomes in the City did have garages and that ,-ras why the City loolmd as neat as it did. PIr. Kemper stated he �aould not be in Favor of the motion. Mr. Holden said that although he couldn't vote� he vrould vote against it £^om an economic standpoint, He stated that by knocking that lOm cost o:"f the house, it might make it a little more a£fordable to someone who was just bebinnin;. Airs. SchnaUel said that those people could then go to another cenv�unity �a;iere garages weren't required, and rfr. Ho2den said that was possible, P1rs. Schnabel added that since Fridley was basically developed, maybe those people cM1ould be better off moving to a community that was more lenient in their building codes and building there. Mr. Kemper said he thought the,y had more responsibility to those people who already lived in Fridley to maintain an image and a standard o£ living, than to those people who didn't live in Fridley and were looking for an opportunity to build, Mrs, Gabel stated her feelings abouC garages were more tied into substandard � lots. She said she felt people would put up garages eventually if they had room� but on substandard lots there wasn't room. She said that perhaps if • , � ' Fridley Appeals Conmiission Meeting - September ?8, 1976 Page 17 �� 1 garages were required and they didn't fit on �0� lots, then those lots would not be buildable. Mrs. Schnabel stated that she was not totally convinced that the building industry was willing to put up modest or low-income housing. � She said if that was done with substandard lots so a better mix was pror•ided in the community� maybe she would feel more the other way about providing garages; but she was not convinced that was what the building industry wanted to do. , Mrs. Gabel added that the little bit of residential area tnat was left in Fridley was not condusive to low-cost housing. � Chairperson Schnabel said that maybe their discussion, as reflected in the minutes� would be enough to show their line of thinking, and pernaps the� just needed a motion to receive the Corununity Development Co^unission �inutes of August 10� 1976. hfr. Kemper said he didn't feel a necessity £or passing � a motion such as that in the CDC minutes� but would go along with receiving those minutes. ' MOTION by Kemper� seconded by Barna� that the Appeals Corunission receive the Community Development Comnission minutes o£ August 10� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Schnabel said she wished to call the Com�issioners' attent=on to the Administrative Policy on Survey �equirements that was be£ore tnen. S:�e said this had been approved by the Planning Commission and was very relevani to th=: items that car�e beiore the Appeals Commision� and directed tihe nembers to keep it for future reference. ADJOURNMENT: Chairperson Schnabel adjourned the September 28� 1976 Appeals Coruaission meeting at 12:05 A.Ai. Respectfully submitted� �„/%al�_ .ir.� A X,(rl�me�� Sherri 0'Donnell Recording Secretary 9/22/76 i•i j ' PLANNIN� REVIEW ON SINGLE FAMILY GARAGE REQUIREMENTS The question of whether or not a garage should be required with the construction of a single family home is a question that should take some very serious ihought. With the continued inflation in the cost of adequate single family housing, once affordable housing is out of the reach of a continually growing number of families. For this reason, it is essential to review our City ordinances which help add to the increased cost of housing and make a determination whether or not we are putting unneces- sary hardships on those families who are paying inordinant amounts for, or are unable to afford, adequate housing at the present costs. Since the garage requirement is the item that is presently being discussed by the Planning Comnission and its Member Corronissions, I will direct my comments at this time to this item. � In reviewing recent surveys done by Metro Council and action presently being proposed for the State Legislature by the Metro Council, I feel the following information is important to the discussion on garage requirements. , 1. Of the 81 comnunities surveyed.6 required a one car garage, 4 required a two car garage, and 71 required off-street parking with no garage requirements. ' I� , ' , , , i 2. Metro Council, Gov^rnmental Regulations Subcommittee is recommending , that the new home buyer should have the option to provide or not provide a garage and that garages should not be required by the � municipality. ' 3. Recent information received by Metro Council Subcommittee on Housing � Industry Practices state that a garage represents about 10% of the ' cost of a home and that oniy about 5% of the homes built today are built without garages. 4. By allowing a house to be built without a garage, it provides an opportunity for the potential home owner to be abie to more adequately afford family housing and still add a garage when it is more economically feasible for the family. 5. The gara�e requirement may be contradictory to our City Housing Goals and Objectives. _ A. The Nousing Goal states the necessity of providing a diversity of suitable housing and living environments for all persons. It suggests that this be accomplished by encouraging programs to provide fiousing at a cost that families can afford without compromising essential needs. B. It also suggests tfiat the City incorporate, where possible, the Metro wide development framework policies which promote code chan9es which facilitate low and moderate intome housing. On the other hand, it is important to also look at the reasons for providing garages on single family lots. 1. The garages provide a storage space for materials and equipment , , ' L_� , ' � � � � � 1"2 Plannfng Review on Single Family Garage Requirements Page 2 that under other conditions may be stored outside exposed both to view and vandalism. � , , � 2. It is also felt that by providing garages in a neighborhood it ' will maintain a high quality living condition for the neighborhood and maintain economic stability. � � � � � � � � � � � � � 1 1 In summary, I feel that we can maintain our high quality residential living environments without necessarily requiring all new residential construction to provide garages. However, it is necessary to make allowances for lot space available for garage additions as well as better supervision for unsightly residential storage. A smaller storage building may serve the purpose for material and equipment storage at a much cheaper cost to the home owner..We must also keep in mind the fact that most homeowners build or eventually build, a garage on their property. With the increasing burden of being able to afford adequate housing is it then sensibTe to increase that burden through unnecessary requirements. 3LB/de JERROLD BOARDMAN City Planner ' ' , � , ' 4 ' ' , ' , , , ' I ,� � , M E T R 0 P O L I T A N (' ) U N C I�L � Sui:e 300 Metco Square 6ui13isg, Saiai ?anl, Minnesota 55101 291-6359 aottnuou�a r-- � T0: Modest Cost Housing Advisory Ccr.unittee �FRGM: Subcommittee an �iovsing Industzy Practices SD6JECT: Research Repoct l�� t July 13, 1976 � ,New in:or.nation wnich the committee nas qathered recently is attached. The attac^.�er.:s are: (li a break6oe:n o: che compon�nts of housing cost, 1969 vs. �reliminarl fiqcre :or I5�5; ;21 u:.ion waoe scales for Minneapolis-SG. Paul area for various crafts, as conpareZ w?ch ::,e Co:s a�er 2rice Zndex. �The infozmation below was heard by the scSCOmmittee at a meeting witn Area bailders on Mor.Cay, July 12. �House Size � � � The builders ;enerally felt that a 950 sq. ct. ¢ouse aiv_s the b�st val;:e--±:e r..cst *�use ° dollar. They fele that a ncuse belcu tSa� si2e briaqs aa insiynifica�t cosc :ec�.:ctio:, t�c�..�..:-an�� of the costs romain the same: the mec:�anical core, che miliwork, ever, iabo:. � One builder noted !hat there :s 3�proxi:�acely,a 5900 di=?erence in *_he sel:_nc �.ice c= a?; x 36 home as co+opared •.:?th a 24 x 40-acr.�e. One buil�e: said :hac the dit:erance ir. assassz.: �.�__ :oz these [wo homes by �he loan institutions is oro�ably r..ore !han the actuzl d::cerence, ;zr:._ps b;• ,a few hundred dollars. - Land Cnsts The averaqe price of a let today is a.-oanc 58,000. Only I,2G0 to 1,500 of t::is cost '_- C�e cost oc �the raw land. TSe r_awinde: of the cost is the cost o: [he improvements, zr.c ca:ryins�cha=y-es en the cost of tne raw land only. � � ,ara es�'" �Builders agr�ed that a yaraqe rerresen:s rocynly 1C� of the cost of the hoTe, ar� *_ha: onl-? anout 58 of the homes built �odz� are 6uilt c:it:�out carages. �Mar.y oc Lhe bu:lce:s were :+:l:inc to, and .*.ave o::ere.i nouses wi;4ouc car.-aes. `nz �r" t.`.e ouilz=r.s sai3 that �any o: his buyers p:ecar_ed co nave the gsrage. Another tuilder �c:.d _na; a f��: yaa:s ago his com�an7 o£�erec s 529,000 hor..z hitS or wi.�cut a garage. c'_f:i �ercent -•:z :o^es �.�zse sold withoct garages. ?:any of these oeo�le have siace adcec garaces. �Alternativ� t:eehocs, i�taterials • Tile �loors inste=3 0* caz,eting could represar.t a substantial savinys. �arnetinU coa_c co�t abcut 5900 per house. Or.e bu:lcer had estii�ate.'. thmt a ccst reduction o: 52,oDJ c��lc be �aali�c: bv �usir.g different ,r.ateri3ls :or a variery oi i:e.^.s, iacluc:nq cabinets, cco:s, t:ir.., and car;eti�c. The items subs:ituted would s[i11 meet F:iA and V.l reau�re�er.ts. T4is bcilder ;as aqreed t� ?rovi3c this in.ermation to cs in creater 3etail. Ceramic tile, although it costs more, is pre:er:ed by the builders �ecause '_t holws ur :,e�:ar. �Wooden basements were menticned as an alcaraative re�hod tha[ does �neet V;, ar.d F_y but is not accepted by lenuers. ?his could save according to one builCer 52z0.0�. :aquire-,encs. 'A general :eeling on the part o_° the builders was that an atter..pt [o recuce �osts in ti:e st_uctur�s portion of the cost is very easily cancel2ed out by other costs, especially a rise in ir.terest rates. Sweat Equity - �Manp o[ the buildcrs present had made arranqerents with buyers .'or CoinS so:na oc c..^ w�or:< :::emse'�•es However, in ma:iy caszs this caused the builder a great deal of e�trz inconveaier.ce, +.....� h�.:yers had no exoerience i❑ doinq this Kin3 of work. One builcer c,entior,ed tkat a buyer nac 3on� su:,;�, �. poor hjob on tne interior staining that he decide3 he didn't want the house a_tet, all. The builders mentionad [hat savinas ar.d loan institutions make it .9if.`ioult eo :'_:ance o?:o�uc: Ghat isn't cempletzly cinished. At closing, some Ssi's withhold from t;e bcilfier l�y um?s c�e amount of work that is }•et to be completed. ` One of the buildets mentioned that the greatest savings in a do-it-yoursel£ arranyemeac w�ou13 Se in � ' y • � • 'Z' ' � „`� labor-int^nsive items such.as painting. y,t _ Builder's EfEieien� � � . �� :he qeneral concer.sus uas that in the last ten years ouilders 4ave becoc.e r:ore ei:icient throuyh the use O: RC'd rater�als and r,�ethods. :h�y Eelt [:ey hac to beco,r.e nore e.:icieat :. :er to oYi- aet cost increases in otner areas. Examples o£ r.ew methods ate t:css raEters anc pre-n;.ng doors. � Labor Buil�ers noted that our area is one of the :rw areas in ehe .:ountr/ •.+hich usr_s ur.ion i:�or„ccrs ex- 'clasively .°ur housinq consrructioc. Electcicians have ,wo a•aga >c�les for d:[[erer.: levels o2 exper.ience but carpen`ars do not. 'cach p^_rson on the job doing carpentr� uork ac daryir.q lzvels oE sY.ill is paid at the saT.e :ate. ��Builder� notefl that trte housinc i:�ustry is no! as seasonal as it once +as. �ew ?lastics ar.d oenet materials and m��hods have nade it �asxer to uork year-ramd. The wages and ban�fits o: an�on bcil3:nq tra�es •.orkers iac:easefl,r.atioa-•.+ia�, 223� fron .;ar.ca_7 1966 to January .976. Da:ir.g thA s.v�e pe:iod the Consu.:.cc �rice Ir.dex increased 753. In co:_cast, 'averaqe hourly crmpensacion of a11 e:nplo,ees in t!:e �r:vate non-ca:� �cono-y i:.c:ea:;�d 96'i :ro- 1955 to 1975. T,`.is da.a co�es i=um nha Coatr�ctors Yvtcal Associauon. Tie attached data g:ves the wage incr_ase ior the Mlnr.eapolis-St. ?aul area. �' euilders Pro:iC The builcers ezpressec che fee:inc that cSeir ?roi-t r.ar;ins canr.ot 5�cca.e uar_ysc�abl.�; `::a: �e- cause _h�y have _o :ena�n cort'.eeci:i-ie. zowever, i: t.`.a �:ozit is �i5c_e❑ on d�2_C2.^.CdC2 Dd515� the hiyher the pric� oi ::e hous?, the hiy"r�r .ae proiit. ' The.subco.-�mittee has received :ro7 the builcers sone cost sheecs for the ;�o:r,es t.`.ey bui__i. r_ost Br�ak3own oE ,4_dian o: T:�nicai 5e•+ t:ome 1975 (?r=1i �in�r:! '2�rsus i569 ' . Source: `lacio�al �ssoc:ac:en o: ticne 3uilc^rs, ��ash. 7.C. /'�� ` . ,:omFonerks Materials (:,00:iazces 5274) ' Land Labor �Proi:t + 0•:==head � Prof'_t >tarqin ast. 58 19i5=51,925, i369= 51,280 - up 508 � Financiny Other-F!arketinq, Servicing, Sewer Hcok �Up, Etc. Total ' /ep ,- Attachmert � ' ' S97S CJS` 512,650 s a,zeo .5 5,367 $ 4,62G Sa,Oc"1 52,902 538,500 1975 � o: ?otai Ho�e 32.9 21.5 15.5 12 i0.6 7.i i00 1969 Cost 59.�00 55,630 $i,430 53,330 $1,790 si,oza 525,G00 �Soi e 0= :c36.� 22 17.: i3 � 7 a 100 I ter.: 3 I;.- crzase 3etr.�een _r��yg - t975 3:.6 47 14.7 36.7 i:a 13d.5 5�6 T:�- . � 1,,� � ` � � � � � � , � I ,� � a, = :< w ' w _« .+ �$1 v+ n. c� o � i �� � c u 4� T . T N o] u � T O I � OD 1 C ro ].J .]� .�1 .� Li� • U i r . � � � � { . � y 1 � � � .i .^. �C n O� O� O' f�l � nf ' Vf t't O .r � N �(� T N : W N� t� O ..� .J ,. T O� N i O h i�/1 G ' Y1 ; O i.i n •� ti '�h : S� 9 N r1 ]..� � I ^ r-1 � rt N N: f'f :' . 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C c c� o < a: �t . , v p •.� O N. �> V m o �o o; G 4 ti 7 n c� .. � m .n ,� r ��i� H �:+c,. n � .,y ` 4 �� p 5 ,C. �� CU � V 4 i a Q� C N n n 1 "� . r7 N V1I .y t� � c � n . � � IN � JC G 7 7 S � . � ia � ` � V N .y 3 }I ^1 rl h �f ti a+ ..1 4 i "� " I � O V uf u: � G. �� �—r+.....w�+��-r...nuw.r•wevr:.�....v.«.--..,�..�emr�.+..��- ��..�r•-.�.�-.��-.-........_�.......,.�, `..+.�..�+.w....�..�+�,�{..�,,.+.�+.�.+.. ..� 1�' � 1'3 GOAL AREA: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT GOAL STATEMENT D200: Help foster an attitude which stimulates life-long motivatian for learning and cultural development. Program Objective: D210: Promote an awareness and appreciation of the Humanities. Program Plan D211: D212: D213: Program Objective: D220: Help stimulate appreciation and participation in fine arts in the community. � Program Plan D221: D222: � D223: 'Program Objective: D230: Encourage an interaction of learning facilities , and programs necessary to allow residents a wide choice of pursuits in education, training and cultural development. Program Plan D231 : D232: D233: D234: --- —�- 60AL STATEMENT Program Objective: Program Plan Program Objective: Program Plan Program Objective Program Objective D300: Provide public information and communication in order to foster an awareness of the City's varied activities and availability to these activities. D310: Secure and maintain a'clearing-house of information' position with respect to public and some public, cultural, vocational and recreational pragram opportunities. D371: D312: D313: D320: D321: D322: D323: D324: D330: Provide for adequate and viable means of participation, redress and reasonable access to the affairs of location government for all citizens. Provide for efficient method of dissemination of information. D331: D332: D332: D340: Promote a greater cooperation and mutual under- standing between the public, semi-public and private sectors of the population. � 1�� fOAL STATEMENT D400: Promote effective methods for providing human services to all persons in the comnunity. Program Objective D410: 1;�1 GOAL STATEMENT D500: Enaourage programs designedto promote effective human understanding within the canmunity. Program Objective D510: � � � � ��I � i , 1,'�� HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETIN6 SEPTEMBER 2 1976 " �age 2 Mr. Scott etated that he did not concur with the idea that a garage has to be attached to a lot. He feels it is a violation of civil rights; that it is establishing standards for himman development where none is required. He stated tse felt the ozdinance should read that if a family does want a garage, then theq should have to establish standards on that �yrage. Ms. Lynch stated she also disagreed that a garage has to be on a lot. A standard garage does not fit everybody's needs. She stated she would like to see a require- ment for off-street parking for at least two cars. MOTION by William Scott, seconded by Harold Belgum, that the Human Resources Commission recommends to the Planning Commission that they do not condone the principle of a garage requirement as a stipulation for building; however, if the property owner decides to put up a garage, standards should be set for the structure. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Grace Lynch to require off-street parking for 2 cars if a garage is not built. MoCion died for lack o£ a second. REVIEW GOAL AREAS FOIt HUMAN DEVELOPMENT Ms. Shea stated that D100 is completed and what the Commission is to be concerned about and look at is D200. She said this would be used the same as the compre- hensive housing plan was used, and 't was hoped that it will be completed through D500 by January. She stated that the Co�ission should input theix ideas for a "Program Plan" under each "Yrogram Objective." GOAL STATEMENT D200: Program Objective D210 � Program Plan � � � , ' D211: D212: D213 Program Objective D220: Program Plan: D22I: D222: Help foster an attitude w`�..ich stimulates life- long motivation for learning and cultural development. Promote an awareness and appreciation of the Humanities: Promote the library as a center in our community. Wo=k with the State Humanities Commission to develop a local HumaniCies council. Promote special interest �roups within the Humanities. Help stinulate appreciation and participaCion in fine arts in the co�unity. Develop a Fine Arts Commission. Fund local fi.ne arts projecCS. D223: Establish relationshin with State Arts Council. D224: EncouraQe ballet and modern dance. � 1�3 HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEBTING, SEPTEMBER 2, 1976 PaRe 3 Program Objective D230: Encourage an interaction of learning facilities. and programs necessary to allow residents a wide choice of pursuits in education, trainin�, and culturaT development. Program Plan D231: Promote interest and use of Fridley Public Library as a source of information and insniration. D232: D233: D234: Establish relationships with Co�unity School Advisory CounciL the Ms. Shea asked Mr. Belgum to describe the Humanities. Mr. B-:lgum stated that they are literature, history, political science, religion, philosophy, those studies which are not natural sciences or social sciences. ➢EGISION ON RESUMING HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION FORUM MEETING ON THIRD THURSDAY OF EACH MONTH ' Mr. Belgum stated he was in favor of reswning the for� but doing it in a different way. He suggested the idea of having the meetings held in elementary schools in different school districts. They could invite the people in a school district and ' try to promote the meeting. He felt this way they would find out rahether Chere was any advantage in trying to localize Che issue and the discussion and whether people would like the idea. ' Ms. Lyach agreed that unless something different is done that wi11 bring people to the meetings, there is no point in having the forums. , P%ITION by Grace Lqnch, seconded by William Scott, that the decision on resuming the Himman Resources Commission For� Meeting on Che third ThuYSday of each month be tabled until the next meeting in order that the Commission members may give it ' more thought aad try to come up with some different ideas. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ' DISCUSSION OF AAROLD BELGUM'S LfiTTER ' ' , �,,,�., � � � ���� ����� � � � pARKS AND RECREATION COI�ff SSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: Dave Harris, Leonazd Moore, Harvey Wagar MEMBERS ABSENT: Bob Peterson, Jan Seeger OTHERS PRESENT: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director Jerry Boardman, City Planner Ron Steckman, 58 Rice Creek Way - Neighborhood 3 David Cahlander, 65 Rice Creek Way " " Alice Benson, 640-58th Ave. N.e, - Neighborhood 9 Juan Salas, 5810-Sth St, N.E. CALL TO ORDER: Vice-Chairperson Dave Harris called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m, 1i4 �- APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PARKS & RECREATION COI�4�ffSSION MEETING OF AUGUST 23, 1976: 1"he aecretary indicated that the following correction should be made on the � August 23, 1976, Parks & Recreation Com�ission meeting minutes: On page 1, the second to last paragraph, the correction should be made that Mr. Garaffa's letter was dated August 23, 1976, instead of October 23, 1976. � � ;;: � ,� MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to approve the minutes of the ugust 23, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting as corrected. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. OPEN FORUM: VISITORS Mr. Juan Salas attended the meeting to ask the Commission that a tree, which is 5-6 yards from the soccer field at Locke Park, be Yemoved. He feels it is a danger to the kids. Mr. Aarris stated that Mr. Salas could work this out with SCaff. Mr. Boudreau said he would look into the matter and report back to the Commission. � '1�") PARKS & RECREATION COA1MlSSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27 1976 pa e 2 OLD BUSINESS: 1. ACCEPT REPpRTS OF NEIGHSORHOOII PROJECT COI�AlZTTEES Mr. Boudreau gave [he Commission members copies of all the written reports that have heen handed in tn date on the Neighborhood Project Committees. He also gave them two pieces of information in the forms of layouts which he wished to share with the Commission as it shows the work the Neighborhood Project Committees have done to the extent of laying out their desires in the park deaign and park facilities development. He said these are supplements to the written material, and it would be his reco�endation that the Parks & Recreation Gommission accept these reports for their perusal and review, and at such time as they feel there is a need, to have a speeial meeting and call back certain coumiittee chairpersons for in-depth reasoning behind their plans. MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to accept the Neighborhood Project Committee plans, corzesponding maps, and additional infarmation. Upon a voice vote, a1Z voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boudreau stated that, to his knowledge, they have received the material from Neighborhood Areas 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 1Z, and 13. MOTIQN:by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore, that the information received from the Neighborhood Project Committees be torwarded to the Recreation Project Committee for their informati,on first. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman stated,that Staff will be analyzing these reports according to their look at the neighborhoods also, analyzing what these reports say as far as what they antic3pate in the neighborhoods according to certain statistics they have about those neighborhoods: This analyzation will come back to the Commission. He stated that when they get the Parks � Recreation Comprehensive Plan, they will have recoa�endations for each area and will set up a five-year capitat improvements program for the city. Mr. Stecl�an and Mr, Gahla¢der made comments about Neighborhood 3, the Edgewater area, and about the layout they had made. � 1: , ' Mr. Harrfs stated that a letter shoald go from Staff to the Covncil and a letter ' from Council to the County Auditor asking to withhold from sale any lots in Edge- water Gardens, Block 7, Lots 1-15, and Block 6, Lots 1, 3, 4, 5. Mr. Cahlander stated that if a leeter is sent to the County Audi,tor, the Co�renission t mighC want to send a letter to the Anoka County Engineer's Office letting them know what type of thing is being planned in that area, Mr. Aarris asked Mr. Boardm8n, at Staff level, to contact the County to make �'i' certain that what gradfng is to be done in that aree, they involve the Commission f in the decision-making process. � ! � �� � . l �16 � PARKS & RECREATION COI�II+IISSION MEETING, SEPTEFffiEA 2y 1916 Page 3 Mr. Harris stated that the people in the'Edgewater area had done a fine job �'� and thanked them for coming and for their conments. ;� � °� � � 2. REPORT ON RIVERVIEW TERRACE REQUEST OF AUGUST 23, 1976 Mr. Boudxeau stated that, referrfng to Mr. Moore's motion at the AugusC 23, 1976, meeting requesting facilities for soccer and kickbalY to be erected on a temporary basis unCil November 15, 1976, at Springbrook Park, some soccer goals have been put into Springbrook Park. Ae said they are evidently being used day :ind night, He said he has had a request to turn the light around so they can play Later in the evening, butthat hasn'C been done yet. Mr. Boudreau stated that, referring to Mr. Harris' motion at the August 23, 1976, meeting that the dike at Riverview Terrace be posted with "Motorized Vehicles Prahibited" signs, a work order has been put in to get the signs along the embank- ment along the river. Mr. Boudreau also stated they had put in Cwo old nets at Glencoe for soccer for the little kids. 3. REPORT ON RRIDLEY YOUTH CENTER Mr, Moore wanted to report to the Commission that at the fourth meeting of the � Board to set up the Charter for the Fridley Youth Center (the name they agreed upon), Yhey have tentatively drawn a Charter. They hope, i£ everyone is at the next meeting, to have a Charter for the Fridley Youth Center. NEW BUSINESS: 1.' SUGGESTED LOCATIONS FOR 1977 HOCKEY RINKS AND GENERAI, SKATING AREAS Mr, Boudreau stated he has met with Mr. Lynn Fischer, President of H.A.F., and they have gone in-depth in a discussion on how to help each other. There is the problem of maintenance on the hockey rinks as they take about four times as much man-hour time as mainCenance on general skating areas. Mr, Fischer's recommendation was that they need 11 hockey rinks to run their hockey program. Mr. Fischer sugge�tred cutting out the Burlington-Northern rink--it was never used last year by anyone in the Hockey Association and was mostly used by kids from Columbia Heights. (Mr. Boudreau stated he has been down [here and would reco�end the elimination of the Burlington-Northern rink.) The other two rinks Mr. Fischer suggested eliminating and combining into general skating areas are Terrace and Rice Ereek. This is working with the Hockey Association in saying what they need aad what they can use. � � � � .°�`7 ' PARiCS & RECREATION COMMISSiON MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1976 Page 4 Mr. Boudreau stated he is planning on maincaining all the general skating areas that they presently have and usin& the 11 hockey rinks to the best advantage. They can get better maintenance on the hockey areas for the organized sports and free play if thexe is time available. He stated the general skating rinks can provide, if done properly, both hockey and general skating, by making two general skating rinks, nne roUnd ior general skating only, and one oblong wi[hout the boards for hockey. He said he hopes to attempt this this year with the:Commission's approval. Mr. Boudreau said he is planning on combining the Burlington-Northern and Rice Creek hockey rinks to make one additional hockey rink to be placed at Locke Park. There will now be [wo hockey rinks ac Locke Park, one for hockey and one for girls' broomball. He has talked to Ms. Helen Byrne and this is fine with her. The girls' broomball used to be played behind the hi�h school, but it is not a good rink. Mr. Wagar suggested that the school district should be notified that the rfnk behind the highschool will not be maintained by the City this year. Mr. Harris suggested that rather than have two rinks at Locke Park, one for hockey and one for broomball, that the broomball be moved somewhere else, They could have hockey on both rinks where there is a bigger warming house and schedule more games there. He said broomball and hockey are not really compatible. Mr. $ou�ireau stated he would talk to Mr. Fischer to see wha[ he wants to do,and he was sure Ms. Byrne would not object to moving the girls' broomball to another location. Mr, Harris suggested using Harris Lake as a genera2 skating area, and Mr. Boudreau said he would look into it. ' MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the Parks & Recreation Commission concurs with Staf£'s recommendations on the suggested locations for the hockey rinks and generaT skating areas for the winter of 1976-77. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion cirried unanimously. 2. REPORT ON PARK/SCHOOL RANGER PROGRAM Mr. $oudreau stated that he attended the last School Board meeting. There has been some concern about getting the Park/School Ranger on a full-tise permanent basis with the City. The proposal was put forth by the City Manager to the School Board to work towards this with a long-range commitment from the School Board to say, yes, we concur with this, or, no, we do not concur with this. After some debate with the School Board, there was the feeling that they really didn't know what they got out of the Park/School Ranger, whether it was wortk the money or not. However, the principal seemed to think so. The School Board doesn't feel they should underwrite anytihing but the Ranger's fringe benefits and his salary--25% of [hat amounG. They were requested to give some kind of indication for long range co�uitment. To uaderwrite the total program, the School Board � � � �! � ' . , �� � �. ' ION 1 `�8 did vote and it passed that they would underwrite f4x �he coming year $2,800 of the;Park/SchooT Ranger's salary and fringe benefit package, Mr, Boudreau said it has been regorted back and now the City Council h2s to decide if they want a ParklSchool Ranger as a permanent employee of the City or with to retain his service on a 50-week basis far the year 1977. , � OTI�R BUSINESS: Mr. Boardman brought to the attention of the Commission an item that had come ' before Yhe Planning Commission. A gentleman at 5809 Arthur Street wants to sp2it his property into two parcels. A survey was done attd the survey showed that a portion of the man's garage (two feet) is on park property, There is also a road � easement and his garage is right on the road easement. Mr. Boardman said he wanted the feelings of the Cou�ission as to whether that road easement is needed or can they allow the man to encroach on park property or would it be of benefit � to sell off a portion of the park property back to this man so that he can have his garage on the property. The City picked up this property not too long ago from the County. The man's house has been on the property for over 17 years and he might have right of that property just by encrQachment. The man also has a. ' shed on park property and has told the City that he does not need the shed and that.the Parks $ Recreation Couunission can have it if they have need for ito Mr. Boardman stated that they are waiting for Mr. Virgil Herrick's legal opinion as to what they should do. The reco�endation is that, once Mr. Herrick gets back to them, they take the legal steps necessary to vacate the easement, make sure the two foot space on park property is deeded to the man, and maintain the shed which is on park property. Mr, Harris stated that the Commission agreed with this recommendation and that ' iL be referred to Staff. ,� Mr. Boudreau stated that he had a letter from Mr. Robert W. Masuda, a postal clexk, who has a parcel of land across from the Ed Wilmes Park, which measures ' about 120 x 115 and is relatively flat. Mr. Masuda has come in with a request that he be allowed to let the City use this land during the winter for a general skating area. His idea was that there is a skating area at Ed wilmes Park, but it is very small, and the kids who come to play hockey run the general skaters ' off, He said that area could be for hockey and the City could flood his area which would be for general skating. E� � � � Mr. Boudreau stated that when he talked to Mr. Masuda, he iold Mr. Masuda that if the Parks g Recreation Co�ission so desired, they would probably accept his offer only on terms of a written lease agreement where we lease the land for a nominal €ee of $1.00. This would free him of any liability. Mr. Masuda said that was fine; he would just like to see that land used for recreational purposes, � �;'�9 PARKS $ RECREATION COh9NISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27, 1976 Page 6 MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore; that the Commission lease Mr. Masuda's property across the street from the Ed Wilmes Park for the 1976-77 seasan to be used for recreation purposes, Upoa a voice vote, a1Z voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr, Boudreau stated that this fall a Mr. Bob Christenson, a teacher and coach at Woodcrest Christian School, approached the City with the need for land for their physical education classes, Mr. Christenson asked if it was all right if he used Locke Park for his physical education classes. Mr. Boudreau told him it would be all right. Lately, Mr. Christenson has started a soccer program utilizing the soccer field at Locke Park. Since it wasn't conflicting with any of the City's uses, Mr. Boudreau said he let them use it, bfr. Boudreau talked with Mr. Christenson today asking him to write a letter to the Park Board requesting'official action if this use was going to cdntinue. Mr. Boudreau stated that this raises a policy question of whether we want to permit use of parks for church groups, or other groups, for non-recreationai or educational purposes. He asked the Commission to come up with a recommendation on this question. Mr, Boudreau stated that, as a result of his conversation with b7r, Chrzstenson and as a result of the City informing him he could no longer use the Locke Park soccer field because they were going to start getting the field in shape for next spring and summer, Mr. Christenson wrote a letter requesting the use of Madsen Park from 2:00-5:00 p.m, each week day for their physical education and soccer practiee. This is due to surface work on Locke Park where the school usually practices.. Mr. Harris stated that these are Fridley children whose parents are taxpayers and how do you deny their use of the parks. He thinks there should be some controls, though. He stated that a contract for $1.00 type of thing which spells out the school year and spells out what the park is going to be used for is in qrder. -People are probably not going to abuse the park, but they should have something that, if they are making additional work for staff people, they be responsible too. Mr, Harris brought up the problem of the children crossing 69th Street from Woodcrest Christian School to Locke Park, It is a dangerous crossing as the children cannot be seen by drivers of cars as their vision is blocked by trees, Ne feels before an agreement is reached with the school, something should be done about this hazard. Mr. $oardman stated that he-would turn this over to the Engineering Department and have them come up with some kind of recommendation. Mr. Boudreau stated he would talk with Mr. Virgil Herrick, too, about the usage of parks by private schools, churches, etc. � � � � � � '' i. � , � . � �40 � �F � �1r. Boudreau coumiented on sane of his plans for lighting in the parks. � � �� I14r. Harris suggested to Mr. Boudreau that on the next agenda under "New Business', he list "Director's Report" so that all the items Mr. Boudreau has he can present � at that time so nothing is missed. 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' � � l , � � 7 � , � Ll�..� � �. � ' �. �1 'r�'iA i ,--j'y ♦ �.• r � y..v ^r I'Y .'� i � . �Je' �,� . \ . ` t r n� .!"'Y` , -r�'..�`��•--•--Y . , .. � �` �. . � � �� i . � .iIL.Y::..� �i .ty � t �•. . . � . . .. � �t ' .. - � � i � r.. � � �, � �4t � v Y � y'.i..� i i � � p 1 � � � t . .. .. . . .. . . . � . � • \ e. .•�O _ a.we�d.lYA,�w9JCa•.,s✓.... n. � J SCHE�DULE ,OF _SUBMISSIONS — ^ ----- --- ------- -- WRITTEN INFORMATION i. Explanation of I?evelopment Plan. 2. Outline of Construction and Site Development. 3. I?evelopment Schedule. SGFIEDULE OF DRAWINGS L Existing Site, Zoning, Topography, and Adjacent Structures Within 100 Feet. 2. Development Plan, and Site Usage. 3. Site Drainage. 4. I,andscaping and Lighting Plan. 5. 2"ypicat Multiple Reaidence Floor Plan. 6. Perspective Drawing of Total Development. 7. Miscellaneoua Study Sketches ;: ` ,` : ! : � r � � BIIETOW & Associates Inc. , Architects & Engineers 1925 YVest Gounty Road B2 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55113 Re: Springbrook Park Property Developmeni Fridley, Minnesota Project No. 6b30 CONGEPT When this property wae zoned a I'lanned l?evelopment District, studies were made to determine the best use of the propexty with- in the limita of this zoniag. Gonsideration was given to use as multiple reaidence, town houses, single family residences, and comme rciai. Tho groper4y has peculiar togography and natural amen#iea such as the creek and wooded areas. The propertp seems Yo diviG.e iYaelf into two separate and distinct areas, divided and de:ined by the creek. Attempts were made Yo develop a portion of the I�orthern Section iato �ommercial and the balaace of that aection into multiple resideace. 7hie was aot auccessful os two counts: 1. It was virtuaity impoaeible to develope a commercial ahopping area and adequately buffer it from any multiple residence development on the same aite because of space reatrictions. : _ , _ _ „�.. �. � Re: BUETOW & Associates IrAC. , Architects & Engineers 1925 West Gounty Road B-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55113 Springbrook Park Property Development Fridley, Ivfinnesota Project No. 6630 Page Two CONGEPT (ConE. ) 2. We fuund that tenants for a smaller development of this r_ature were difficult to secure and the 'rents were economically infeasible. Single family residences were considered for the Northern Portion of the site, however, because of the relatiqns.hip and character of the exiating structures and thz commercial development across the East River Road, there was not a good market t2xat we could find for the kiad of single family residences which we felt the aite justified. Consideration was given to the develo¢m�nt of a total muitiple residence compte•r in the Northern Section of the Site, however, if this were done the entire aite would accomodate Two Hundred and Fifty (250) apartment uniYs with accompanying parking spaces. There vtas real question as to the need or rentablity of this many unita in thia area. This could only be proven by a slow and delib- erate development which could spread itself over many yeaxs. 7his 0 BUETOW & Associates Inc. , ArchiYects & Engineers 1925 West County Road $-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota Re: Springbrook Park Property DevelopmenC Page Three Bridley, Mianesota Project No. fi63Q CONGEPT (Gont. } also would require the use of presentiy zoned commercial property for multipie reaidence which again is not econom'scal2y feasible. This"L.d us to the conclusion that if the entire Northern Section were developed as commercial, adequatebuffering couid be accamplished to shield the adjacent single family zonin�s. This concept also made the project significant enough to be attractive to more substantzal commercial tennants, and the wHole cha:acter of the project couid be enhanced through a better economic position and consequently, better materials and more money could ba put into aite development. It also followed that tha commercial developmeut #aces a similarly � zoned area across the Easi River Road there by crearing a neighbox- . hood connmercial center. `� The Southern half of the Planned Development Diatrict more logically , � .4 � � kZUETOW ik Associates Inc. , Architects & Engineers 7925 �Yeat County Road B-2 _ Saznt Paul, Minnesota 55113 Re: Springbrook Park Property Development Page Four Frid2ey, Minnesota Project No. 6630 deve2opec3 itself as muitiple resi8ance since it can adequately be buffered from the adjacent aingle fami2y zonings and take advantage of the natural amenities of the wooded areas and the creek. THIS THEN WAS THE GONCEPT T�4'HICH t�YE CH0.5E TO DEVEL�P ,. DESIGN� The design concept attempts io recognize the character of t'ne property aad its relationship to adjacent zoniags, both residentia2 and comznercial. We endeavar to create a design which is basicalty residentiat in general characier using warm materials such as stained shingies and face brick and to create an architectural vocabulary which is the eame in boEh the muttiple residence aed the commercial development. This unity wili be carried out in the landecaping ptan and design relatino . the iwo developments to each other making them reallya single � � BUETOW & Associates Inc. , Architecta & Engineers 1925 West Gounty Road B-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota Re: Springbrook Park Property Developxr.ent Fridley, Minnesota Project No. bb30 GONSTRUCTION OUTLINE IvIULTIPLE RESIDETtCE SECTIGN: Footinga Foundations Framiag Exterior Walls Windows Exterior poors Roof Goncrete, Reinf, Goncrete Block Below Grade & Face with Brick where Exposed above Grading. Wood Framing Face Brick and Wood Shingles Wood. Gasement Double Glazed Anodized Aluminum Pitch and Gravel Page Six �1 .� BUETOW & Aseociates Ync. , Architects & Engineers 1q25 West County I.toad B-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota Re: $pzingbrook Park Property Development Fridley, Minnesota Project No. 5630 GOl\STRUGTSON OUTLiNi (GGNT. � Multiple Residence Section (coat. ); Interior Finishes Generally All: Walis Geilings Floors Doors & Frames � Mechanicai Syatems: Heating Air Gondicioning Hot Water Trash DisQosal Electrical Systems: Service Gypsum Boasd Gypsum Board Carpeted Throughout W ood Page Seve€i Gentrai Boiler with hydronic distribution Individual Thrcugh wa21 units. Cen4ral 1�Jater Heater witli Circulating water Pump. Refuse Pick-up Each unit metered separately. �; BUEfiOW & Asaociates Inc. , Archiiccts & Engineers 1925 Z'1'est Gour_ty Road 8-2 SainY Paul, Minnesota Re: Springbrook Park Pro�ery Deveto F'ridle P�e nt y , Minnesota Project No. 6630 COI3STRUCTION OU7LIDIE (GONT. j Multiple Residence Section (cont. j Garages: W2iis . ,. Roof Doors Floor SFi01"PIUtG GENTER : Foundations Floora �'� � i Concrete Block where Below Grade and F`�.ce Brick where Above G rade. Waod Frame , Deck Pitch and Gravet. Overinead Garage Ions each iJnit. Goncrete � 4" Slab on 6" Sand Gushion �'age Eight Reinforced Concrete Footings and Goncrete Block FoundationsWalls Except When Earth Retainage is GreaYer then 8' then Reinforced Concrete. Goacrete SIabs on Grade : Prestressed Concrete where suspended aboua grade. t �I i', J , ,1 � BUETOW & Associates Inc. , Architiects & Engineers 1925 West Gounty Road B-2 Saiat Paui, Minnesota 55113 Re: Spring}�rook Park Property Deveiopment Fridley, MinneROta Projec: No. 6640 GONS'FRUCTION OI7TI.INE {CO\?Te ) Shopping Center (cont. ) Framing Deck Exterior Walls Roof 'Window r^rainea Entrance Z'days In�.erior Walls & Partitioning Interior Floor Finishes: In Public Areas Page Nfr ne Steel Columns, Seams and Roof Framing Steel Deck Face Brick and Woed 5hingies Pitch and Gravel Aluminum Aluminum To be deYermined with tenants but in no case leas than FVood SCuds and Gypsum Board Painted. Terrazzo or exposed Aggregate Goncrete I :�• f' ,�J` i�.� . . .. :_ . . w... , _ _ _... _ .�_. ... . ,__ � BUETOW & Assaciates Tnc. , Architecte & Exigineers 1925 West Gaunty Road B�2 Saint I-'aul, Minnesota 55113 Re: Springbrook Park Property,,,�,?evetopment Fridley, Minnesota Project No. 6bsa GONSTRLiGTION OUTI.TIVE (GOrdT ) Shopping Genter {Gont. j Interior S� loor Finishes (cont. } In Tenant Areas Geilinga Mechanical Systeins: Heating & Air Gonditiotting Electrical Distributor SITE DEVEZ.QPIvIENT All Walks Ati Dxives and Parlcing A reas A11 Lavvn Areae 1'lant Materiai 1�'age 2en Minimum - Vinyl Asbestas tite or as determined by te nant. Minimum� Lay�in grid type Acoustic Ti1e. Throughout by uae of roof mounted gas fired units. In accordance with code and tenant requirements. Gancrete Bitutninous Crasa To tte Determiaed BUE70''N & Asaociatea Inc. , Architecta 3c Engineere 1925 West County Foad B-2 Saint Panl, Minxiesota Re: Springbrook Park l�roperty Development Fxidley, Minnesota Project No. G6?0 GQNS1'RUCTION SCIiEDi3 LE Page Eleven Assuming that Council Approvat is obtaiaed aa 2ater than �Iovember I, 196?, we anticipate the following construction scheduie: Start the multipie residence developrrtent Apri2 1, 2968 aud comp2ete by April 1, 1969. Start Yhe Gommerciai 1?evelopment April 1,1969 and complete April 1, 1970. TIiE ABOVE SGHEDULE, OF GOURSE, 7S GONTINGEIVT UPON: 1. Gaining necessary City Appravals and Buiiding Permita 2. �tainia� Necessary Fiaancing 3. Acts of Gad which mould Prelude the Sckedule BUETOW & Aasociates Iac , Architects &Engiaeers 1925 1Yest Gounty Road B-2 Saint Paui, Mi.nnesota Re: Springbrook Park Property Developrnent Fridley, Minnesota Projeci No. 6639 STAaISTTC5 Total Area o# Site •- For MultiQie Residence Far Gommerciai Suilding Area: Multipie Residence (108 unitsj {fTot includin� garages} Commerciai Parking: Muitiple Residence . Gommercial Cxround Coveragv o£ Structures: Mu1fiQ2e Resideace (Not includir.g garages} Commercial EaLimated Gost af Gonstruction � aad Site 7?evelopment Page Twelve 5q2, 446 aq. ft. {i3. 65 Acres} + Z70,000 *��,• £�- f 322, OQO sq. ft. 92, 6�0 aq. ft. 8Q,000 sq. ft. opea} 92 Cars gara�ej 36 Cars 364 Gare 30 , 600 s q. ft. 60,OOD sq. ft_ $2,5Q0,000.00 �_ � '� �. �.,;. ,: , .:;�. �`. '� r:t ��� {,�� €: . >:s `t � �� �_�r� � :�. � � � � �,:�� +--:c-.. � � SUHFffSSIONS OF : SUBMITTED IIYs IIATE a ��,�,�,,�� �c.. / ��� � �— % ' � v � ;�, , a ��-.�z �,�. �� � � (� p ���.1�� �u� ���� PRSLIMINARY DEVEIDPMENT PLAN ��,�c,�� � ��;��� . '` ;/ �i(v/'.�5-z �i'(-� For: Hlxk One (1) Bourdeaux�s 5pringbrook Addition Lota �►s (1) Through Twelve (12) Inclusive Block SWo (2) Springbrook Addition Block One (1) Springbrook Park Second Addition Lotg Thirty-two (32) Through Thirty-five (35� Inclusive, B3.xk Tea (10) S�i.ngbrook Park Second Addition Lots one (1) Tta�ougn si�c (6) Inclusive Block A+Rivervic� FTsights Including ar� portion of Qacated Service Street and The Abandoned l�gnneapolis, 6noka & C�runa Range Railroad i�vlARD DUM?H3C� QrINER OCTOSEA 22, 1969 S , :z_ G �.I. �. c G� �Z-�h�/� ��1°� . � � `'_, ----'�� �..�1 � Z i�i�- t�� ���;� . . Y t SCHTsD llLE �F S�QBMIS S Z ONS WRITTEN INFORMATION 1. Is�cp]anation of Davelopment Plan. 2. Outline of Conatruction and Sita Development. 3. Development Schedule. � SCi�DUIE OF DRAWINGS 1. Site P].an - 1� Site PZan - 2. Floor Plan - 2. Floor Plaa - 3. Tqpical Elevations Scheme 1 Scheae 2 Scheme 1. Soheme 2 � � � a a1Di Springbrook Park ProperLy Development PiSd16y, �riri680't3 C ON CSPT When this propertp vas zoned a Planned *Jevelopmeat Aistrict� studies Were mede to determine the best uae oY the property xithin the limits of this zoning. Consideration sras given to use as multiple residence� tam houses, single family residencea, and conanercial. The property has peculiar topograptp� and natural amenties sueh as the creek and xooded areas. Thz property aeems to divide itself into tvo aegarate and distinct areas,-divided snd defined bp the creek. Atterapts vera made to develop a portion of the Northern Sectioa into Commercial and the balanca. of that section into multiple residence. This sras not successful on two counts: 1. It �as virtually impossible to develop_a commercial shopping ares and adequate3y buffer it from ar� multiple residence development on the same site because of space reatrictions. 2. 'de Yound that tenants for a smaller develogaent of thia nature were diPficult to secure and the rents were econamically infeasible. Sing2e fami� realdences �ere considered for the Northern Purtion of the site� hm+ever� because of the relationship and ctiaracter of the � existing structvres and the commercial development across the East River Road� there was not a good market that ve could find for the ktnd of aingle farid�y residences which we felt the site justiSied. I��E � , Res Springbrook Park Property Development Fridley� Minnesota CONCEPT (Cont.) Considaration vas given to t�e development of a total multiple resi— der�e complex in the Northern Section of the 31te, hoa�ever, if this t�ere done ths entire site wovld accomodate 41ro Hur►dred and Fif'ty (250) apartment units vith accompas�ing parldng spacea. There xas real question as to the need or rentability of this osas�r u�.ts 1n this area. This could only ba proven by a alov and deliberate development vhich could spread itself over ma� years. TkrLs also xould require the use of present�Y zoned commercia'_ property Yor multiple residence which again is not economically feasible. This led us to the conclusion that iY ttue entire Northern Section Were developed as comnercial� adequate bufYering could be accomplist�ed to stiield the adjacent single fami�y zonings. This concept a2so made the project signiYicant enough to be attractive to roore substantial commer— cial tenants, and the vhole character of the project could be enhanced through a better economic poaition and coneequently, better materiala and more money could be put into site development. It also followed that the commercial development faces a aimilarly zoned area acroas the East River Road there by creating a neighborhood co�rcial center. y The Southern half of the Planned devie�nent District more logical�y developed itself as mu2tiple residence since it can adequate]y be .� • Re; Springbrook Park Property Development Fridley� 2�nnesota COI�FCEPT (Cont. ) buffered from the adjacent single family zonings and take advantage of the natural amenities oY the woodAd areas and the creek. THIS TF�13 i�tAS THE CONCEPT WfiICH ir1E CHOSE TO DEVEIAP DIiSIGN The deaign concept attempts to racognize the character of the property and its relationship to adjacent zonings, both residential and comnercial. itie ecrleavor to create a design �hich is basical]y residentfal in general character using warm materials such as stveco and face brick and to create an architecLnral vocabu]ary Which is the same in both the mvltiple residence and the cormnercial development. This uinty �i21 be carried out in the landscap3ng plan and design relating the two develogments to each other making them really a single architectural statement, In doing this ve also paid respect to the general sloping character of the land ani to the creek and have designed ths baildings to Sit the p¢�operty rather than to flattea the site. " <a:�,� Hes Sp¢�ingbrook Park Propez�,y Development Fridley, Minnesota I1luminat3ons Standards for FScterior Spaces The commercial parldr� area xill be illuminated to an average level of two (2) foot candlea. Lighting atandards and fixtures riill be the equivalent of Revere� mercury vapor on alwninum pole. Lighting iti11 be designed and fixtures selected so that ]ighi will not be di.rected at adjacent residential areas. Parld,ng and drive-wa�V lighting in the apartment complex srill be designed to an average illwoanation level of one (1} foot C.�ndle genera7.l,y. Lighting fixturea xill be selected for primari�y f].Oo� lfghting and at a scale coimnensurate with the buildings scale. Lighti.ng patterns wi11 be desi�ed so that light wi11 not be directed to adjacent residential areas. All Walks+�*s and bridges will be adequately illwninated to provide ior safe pedestrian use and standards xill be selected to be commen- aurate with the general landscaping design concept. SIGNS The Landlord xill perndt reasonable scoue for irniividuality in tenants " signs� and to assist in maintaining the high architectural and business character of the slwpping center. Tenants must obtain the Landlrnds Rat Springbrook Park Property Deneiopment ' FMdleq� I�nnesota SIGNS ( Cont.) xritten approval in advance of all aigns and similar advertising material including lettering and other advertising media upon the ezteTior of the leased premises and the exterior and interior sur- £aces of all doors and shoN �indoias. Ar�y external signs uill be constructed on store fronts artd shall not projQct more than 12 inches i`ran the wall. No part of arqr external sign shall be attached to a� exterior canopy nor be placed so as to extend outside the area desig- nated Dy the Landlord�s Architects, for the exteri� sign panel of the premiees. I1luminated Si.gns shall not be oS the flashing type. Loudspeakers� phonographa� radios, and other �reans of broadcasting in a manner to be heard outside the leased premfses shall not be used. Aio sign or advertising medi.a shall be used so as to be a nuisance or a menace to the Iandlord or other tenants or neighbors. One single free standing sign vill be erected on tbe s3te which vill identify the shopping center. Such signs kill he approved by the city building inspector►s offica. PROCEI3UBE FOR ESTABISSHING STREET ACCESS APID EGRESS TO THE SHOPPING CEPtT"r:H, MID TO THE APARTDtENT C0t�1F.7C , It is our opinion that aripr street access and egress khich would be designed at this ti� will undoubted�y be subject to change. (Construction �� � Aet Springbrook Park Property Development FY'idley� iRinnesota PROCEDURE FOR FSTAHLISHING ST:REET ACCESS AND EORESS TO TI� SHOPPING C�NTER, AND TO Tt� APARTI�ENT COMPJEX. (Cont.) of auch access and egress xili require the approval of the City Engineer, the County Highw�v Engineers� poasib�y the State Highuay Department� as �tell as the developer.} We recognize that aqy vell intended design at this time vould also be subject to change by changing concepts or infor- mation on traffic Plows on the East River Road Which uould be outside the realm oY our dasign responsibility or ]mowledge� therefore� ve propose that the Sollociing prxedure will ba establ3shed for determining street.access and egress to the planned development property. When the final plan is approved and final Working dra�ings are being prepared� the developer will secure the approval of all citp, county and state agencies which will be affected by the desi�. It is assumed at this time that the develoner Will be responsible for the cost oY acceas and egreas construction up to the right of wqy line. Az� coat beyond th3a point xould be borne by the city� state or county agencies unless speci- t'ical�y negotiated with the developer. FOR ESTA3LISHING THE DFSIGN OF TRUCK rlJADING �INi, ARt�:AS IN THE CO1�L+�RCIAL CENT'r.;R Since at this time we do not have signed leases for tenants in the comaercial center� it is impossibls to anticipate bhe truck loading and unloading faci2ities required by the tensnts. Therefore, We propose the fo2loiring procedure for eatablishing tknse facilities. �� . Ret Springbrook Park Property Development PMdley� I�finnesota PROCEDURE FOR ESTABLISHING THE DESIGN dF TRUCK LOADIh(} AND UM.OADING AREAS ZN TFIE CO2�tERCIAZ, CENTER (Cont.) When the tenants+ needs have been established we xill desiga truck loading and un].oading facilities adequately designed for traffic flov and for proper acreening from adjacent areas. This design will be submitted to the FY�idley Engineering Office and Building Inspector�s Office for appraval and their appraval Hill be necessary prior to the construction of such facilitiea. In no case srill truck or other de]3vexy vehfcle be permitted to be parked in the truck passsges or « idading areas so as to interfere vith their use or in the parking area. �: Springbrook Park Propertp Dsvelop�ent Fridley� 2Rinnesota C 0 N S T R U C T I 0 N 0 U T L I H E iNLTIPiE R&SIDENCE SECTION: Footings Foundations Fraioing FS�terior Walls Windmas F.5[tertor poors Roof Irrterior FYnishes Genera].�y All ; Walls Ceilinga Floors Doors & F�ames Mechanical Systems: Heating Air Conditioning Hot Water �ash Disposal Electrical Systems: Service Concrete� Reinf. Concrete Block Belou Qrade & Face xith Brick �here E�cposed above Grading. Wood Framing Face Brick and Stucco Wood Casement Double Glaadd Auod:zed Alwrdnwn �Pitch and Granel Gypsum Board Gypsum Board Carpeted Throughout Wood Central Hoiler xith 1�d1`onic distMbution Individual Tiaough �all units. Central Water Heater vith Circulating xater Pamp. Refuae Pick-up Each tudt metered separate7y. ���� �: Springbrook Park Property Development iY�idley� Minnesota CONSTRUCTION OUfLINE (CONT.) MULTIPIE RESIDENCE SECTION (Cont.) Garages: Walls Roaf Doora Floor � sxorrzxc cErrr�t: Foundations Floors I�aming Deck Fxterior Walls Roof Concrete Block u here BeloW Grade and Face Brick vhere Above Grade. Ylood FY�ame, I1ack Ktch and (iravel. Werhead Garage Ions each nnit. Concreta — 1��� Slab on 6'� Sand Cushiott Alternate Reinforced Concrete Footirtga and Concrete Block Foundation Walls FSccept W1zen Earth Retainage is Greatsr then 8� then Reinforced Concrete. Concrete Slabs on Grade: Prestressed Concrete where suspended above grade. Steel Columns, Beams atd Roof Framing Steel Deck Face $ick and Stucco Fi.tch and (�avel �� ' Rst Springtmook Park Property Development FYidley� Mis�nesota CONSTRUCTION OUTLINE (CONT.) SHOPPING CENTER (Cont.) tllndow Frames &ttrance Ways Interior Walls & Partitioning I�erior Floor Finishes: In Public Areas In Tenant Areas Ceilinga Maahanical �rstems s He,ating & Air Conditioning Flectrical DistMbutor > Altnndmun Altanfman To be determined vith tertants but in no case leas then Wood Studs and (�ypsum Board Paiated. Terrazzo or exposed 9ggregate Concrete l4inim� - Vi�l Asbestoa tile or as deter�ned by tenant. Mini.mum - Iay-in Grid type Acoustic Tile. Ttu�oughout by use oY roof mounted gas fired units. In accordance with code and tenant requirements. E �ii. ■ . . R62 Spa�ingbrook Park Property Development FMdley, Minneaota SITE DfiVELOPMENT dll Wallm Al1 Drives and Yarldng Areas All 7artn Areas Plant Material Concrete Hittmdnoue Grass To be Determined C 0 N S T R U C T I 0 N S C H E D U L E ------------------- We anticipate the follos►ing construction schedule: Start the multiple residence development April 1� 1970 and complete by April 1, 1971. Start the Cocmnercial Developmient April l� 19T1 and complete April 1� 19T2. THE ABOVE SCi�DULE� OF COURSE, IS CONTINGERT UPON: l. Qaining necessary City ppprovals and Building Permits 2. Obtaining Necessary FYnanc3ng 3. Acts of (3od wMch vould Prelude the Schedule �:��.� . e � PRSLIMINARY DEVEIAPMENT PIAN STATISTICS Total Area oP Site For Multiple Residence For Commercial Building Area Multiple Residance {108 Units) (Not incl"�i ro garages} Commercial Parldng Multiple Residence (Open} ` (Garage or Ramp) Commercial fround Coverage of Structures T`,ultiple Res3dence (Not including garages) Co�rcial Bstimated Cost oP Construction and Site Development 559,2z5 s.�. (12.85 Acres) 266,500 S.F. 292,77� S.F. 98,70o S.F. 56�$00 S.F. 120 cars 1�0 cara 411 cara 32,90o S.F. 45,�o s.F. �2�5���.00 -� .� ` - \ � � _ : �_ . __. . _ � �� �� �i}stc uf �$lixntsufa II. Carst� o/ Aeo�Fa Howard J..�P�7: AmeLte &. DumPbYi Reaerroir Co., Inc., a MLnaeaota corporetion _ye_ Yillage of Fridley� a Mmiclpel cox�r ation 7�Hfi STATE OF MINNESOTA�, �. To: NasL H. Qureshi•!5495 N.E. Idain DISTRICT CODRT, Tenr6 Jrdiri.i D'unin SUBPOENA NO. 85Y (2 eets) (Dxret Tet+m) � File No. 3�27^�� Yon we bneb� raarmandrd !o aPpear befare tbs Dittrid Comt, at tbr Corr1 Hoxfe in tbe 27th As�st Cify of Anoia. Moln Conrly Mixnaaro, a+ tbr _.----_---'------ d% °i --------' 69 30:00 - A. 19�-, at o'dar�F ____ M., to tati(y erd �iae evidsrtts in /be above entitled action, and fo remain in dtesdnsce swit Jiirbarged by tbr Com. Yox ae firtbn diarted and rontmsnded !o bring witb rou Jbe %llawiad PoPnf and dorr- menU now i++ fonpo ueniae or uadn �mw �oa�rol � viz.: �ing al l raeords, plans and doamentS regazding Rezoning requezv t�A68o1Q and ZOAb$-lUA, as vrell as Springbrook Park planned develorment 7AA68-16. Jrdge o( tbir Gorrt, mid tbe ree! lbnea(, tbii 25� �Y � A�st, 1969r l.rtxed at +!x reqrett o(: Cerald H. Haaratt7 Atfane� for . ple1nt11fe e WITNESS tbe Nonorable Leonmd Kryes, (DISTRIGT COUk7 SEAL) RAYMOND NILSSON Cfak of Dittritt Cawt . Airo4a Cornl�, Minnetas � B� �PAMEIA L. SMITN 9 Depary ,� � ` :. � � � . ; OIGEST OF PUU79INGC�tISSION MEETINGS PRINGRROOK FARK 12-8-66 Schrceder of 8uetow F� Assoeiates appeared stating he xas the arcBiteet for lioWard Dumphy, who is the owner of the land. Stated he wished to discuss with the Co�ission the�general long- rang plan as related to the ptopeity. Piepared a map of the area and indicated they would proba6ly build some multip�e residence twrnhouses along the Creek and a shopping area. Planning Co�niSSion ezplained to-him Planned Development Rezoninq and petitiocer agreed to use this cype of rezoning. Fle was given an app1icaiior. 1-26-67 Consideration of request to rezone ftom C1F to PD Block 1 and fAts 10, 11, and 12, Block 2, Uourdeaux's Springbrook Park Addition, and rezone from R1 to PD Lots 1 through 9, Block 2, Bourdeaux'S Spring- brook Park Addition, and Block 1, Springbrook Park Second Addition. Dwphy pointed out tTat he did not at that time awn Lot 1, Block 2, Bourdeaux's Springbrook Park Addition, and it was noted that the public hearing notice vas to be wrrected. It was unanimously passed ta eonfirm� the public hearinR dated 2-23-67 for the rezoning request. 2-23-67 Public hearing. Schroeder of Buetox F, Assxiates explained thai the hearing tonight was to discuss rezoning ten acres of property to PD. Said if approved then specific plans would be subsitted to the planning commission and cow�cil. Said they were in a prelimiary state at this time. fle indicated the area was not desirable for single family sesidences. Said that oultiple dwellings would create a large potential tax base, and that the City Council had more control uver the design of the buildings. Salked about building one hundred or aore units and cownercial area. Dtember Erickson stateJ that apartments produee more taxes chan inuustriai. It was noted that the original plan did shw townhouses along the creek. Chairman IluEhes explained planne� development concept to xhose present. Member Erickson stated thac he would like to point ou2 co thosa pres.nt that chc public should famili:irize thowselves with the ordinance as it is s.mething tfiat gives good control over all types of usc. Ile siate� it was ■.�' � \ , �� -z- difficult to imaRine ha+ this area might be developed unless ic had somc organization because it has been sitting there for a long, long time. lbtion carried unanimously to recommend approval- of the rezoning request. � 7-Y7-67 Planned devclopment preliminary plans presentation by tiazold Schroeder. � Schroeder explained thai Dnmphy had nw+ acquired Lot 1, Bloek 2, Springbrook Park Addition, as well as the Southeast Corner at Ilugo 5treet and F.ast River Road (Lots 1 through 6, 81ock A, Riverview {leights and that port3on of the right of way of the lfim�eapolis, iLioka and Cuiuna Rangc Railroad Company lying between the north line of Wt 4 and ihe south line o£ Lot 1 extended). 'i'his was the property requimd for access frao the cor,�mercial area to Nugo Street. It was pointed oux that the proposal was not final and ihai any reco�endations or suggestions of the planning commission would be welcowe. The present plans showed that the initial plans from a small cammercial complex and 100 trn+nhouse unit had been changeL to a somewhat larger commercial area and apariment complex. The apart- ment complez would be south of the creek and aould house 10� to 125 amits rith garages. 8-3-67 Plais and subdivisions, streets and utilities subcommittee aeeting. Access to planned developiceni disxrict ZOA68-16 Ruxh Street and East River Qoad. At this meeting lir. Bather, traffic engineer frow St. Paul, gave 1�is opinion as to the traffic flow and other matters of concern to the committee. Mr. ScAroeder briefly explained ihe propose.t Jevelopment of the planucd derelopme�it disirict in Fairmont and East River Road. Meating contiuued until August 31, 1967, . a �� �\ \ -3- 8-10-67' Planning cauueission meeting diseussion as to effect of tmffic. Motion thac public hearing on Septe�ber 30,�1967 for rezoning. . . 8-31-67 Plats and subdivisions subcommittee meeting, Dumphy and Schroeder present. Assistant Engineer Clark presented infoxmation as to traffic count and discussion as to previous testimuny of Trafiie Engineer Bather. Schroeder said they were willing to design aceesa and egress anyway City recommends. 4-14-67 Public hearing planning commission. Ffs. Sch:oeder Teviexed with the public what had been done until that time. Ile pointed out that the plan was to develop commercially zoned property and multiple residences. He gave out a booklet on the preliminary development plan. It ras discussed that more work was necessary on the preliminary plans presented by the Commission and the engineering department. It vas decided to xable the public hearing until September 28, 1967. - 9-19-67 Building standard subcommittee. General discussion. 9-28-67 Continued public hearing of planning coimnission. Discussion of set-back parking and reduction of commercial area with incxased� parking area. General discussion of project. A motion passed io recommend approval of planned development as amended a2 tT�is meeting calling attencion to the Council of the changes. 5-23-68 Planning commision meeting. No quoruw present. Dumphy said he had acquired more property adjacent to the area. (This is Lois 3=, i3, 34, and 35, Block 30, Springhrook Park Addicion). Planning Commissior. advised previously this land was necessary to che aparcmeni complex as it xas shown on the original plan by Schroeder. Members present indicated approval of che plan. 6-33-68 Planning eomaission mceting. Review change in plamied develop- , een[. ttere Dmophy poinxed oui that Lots 32, 33, 34, and 35, Block 10, ... � ._.. __ ■ .[! � \ � '4' Springbrook Park Addition were approved in ihe otiginal pla», but not tAen owned by Dumppy. I!e stated he had now purchased them., Other changes were reviewed. It was pointed� out that the house on Lots S2 through 35, 81xk 10, Springbraak Park Addicion was co be remored. lbtion passed to continue planning emmnission discussion of the change in planned development xo the June 27 meecing. 6-20-68 Informal discussion in form of Memorandun brought to attention of petitioner that he needed a request for rezonir,g af the areas noi now in PD area. 6-27-68 Planning commission meeiing, coniinued meeting of June 20. Revieved changes in planned developRent. Petitioner presentcd a more up-to-date plan for the planned development and shwed that che land had been added for aecess o� lWgo Streat. All changes were discussed. Motion carried to recaomend approval of change in design for the Council. Preliunary plan subject to appioval of the finaI plans, and that Cowicil be requesced to examine the preliminary plans and report as xo cheir aeceptance of this plan. Chairman flughes stated he wanted it clear to the Comicil that [he Commission agrees in general with plans and rished indieaiion of opinion of Council. There were some things that needed revisioo in the plans, but it was pointed out that request for rezoning the additional aieas should be zequested. Uoophy brou�ht up the matier of Lots 32, 33, 34 and 35 having been included in the otiginal�plan and accepted even though he did not owne thea. Ffeaniime he purchased them and wanted to know if he had io go through the reioning process again, and was told he vould. 5-22-68 PuUlic hearing to rezone addional portim�s. It vas poinced out to the public that awst of the area was already xoned planned development, only these small parcels wtrc bcing aJded. Plamiing eommission recommonded approva] of the rezoning request from R1 to PD as to the addicional areas. Rovicu_o£'Louncil-ectiar-omSpringbrook ■�'#. �� DIGLST OF COUNCIL ACTION ON SPRINGBROOY PARK PLh\NLD DLVELOPNCN7' 3-b-67 City Nanager read motion by ihe Planning Commission recommending approval of the rezoning requast. Public hearing set for ►farch 13. - 3-13-67 First reading of Ordinance rezoning to planned deve)op- went. Mr. Schroeder representing Dumphy showed the Council maps and plans for the area. Iie indieated he was asking for rezoning only and had no final plan of development, but had some design work which had been prepared for discussion purposes. He explained that single family use was inappzopriate. He pointed ont general plans but stated ihis Kas only an idea to shar the scale of things they were thinking about. Said they rere thinking of two and a half to three story apartment units, some tovnhouses along the other bar.k snd a shopping center. Afotion earried unanimously to adopt on first reading the ordinanee percaining to planned developuient. 3-20-67 Motion canied unanimously to adopt ordinance on second mading. 30-2-fi7 Council received the minutes of the planning commissior. of September 28, 1967 and set public hearing on planned development. 30-13-67 Special councll meeting. Approval of preliminary development plan of planned developmeni. City engineer outlined the highlighxs for tha Council and explained the area was already zoned as planned develop- nent, that the concept had changed from the one originally planned in that the developer has eliminated the tovnhouses, and it will be apart- �ent houses and shopping azea. This�was a lengihy discussion abou[ the area and the changes intluding right of way, acess, sewer and wacer utilities, etc. _ �i �\ \ -Z- Dumphy said he had no++ acqui:ed the Hugo corner (lots 1, 2,.3, d S and 6, all in Block A, and the railroad right of way). a 8zochure was presented at that time by Schroeder of euetow f, Assxiates. 11e public hearing was closed and the Cixy Engineer was direeted to wake a list oF changes and recommendations and that approval would be given gontingent upon the listed items being eex. The Engineer then on November 17, 1967 submitted a report on Spring- brook Park develop�ent. . 13-20-67 City EnRinecr said that developer had agreed to the items recommended to him, Council coacurted with recommendations, and suggested changes by the Engineer unanimously. 7-1-68 Regular Council meeting. Reviewed changes in planned develop- oent. Comcil■an Liebel observed that land seemed to be utilized more effectively in the new plan. It was unanimously roted io concnr r+ich the planning co�ission and to direct she administration to initiate the necessary public heaiing notice foi rezoning requesx. City Engineer explained that planned development ana a plan is for the c�plete district and auUority £or control.is in the City Council. 9-3-68 Regular council meeting. Minutes of planning commissim� of August 22, 1968 ven received.� � The City Engineer explained why the planning comwission feli the request should be approved in that if the additiwis to ihe PD district were also included in thc distriet it would allow for close control of these additional parcels �lso. 10-14-68 Pnbiie hearing on sezoning request, of n�ditional areas, TTis ceeting some rasidencs complained of the whoke concept. Mnyor Kirkham �I . .;. , � \ -3- explained thc major portions of the land had already been zoned to PD and it was lar that only the new areas that could be considered. Caoicilman Leibel said thac at that time he had never seen plans before. 30-21-68 Regular comcil meeting. .Considcration of ordinance of iezoning additional areas by a vote of 3 in favor and 2 opposed the iezoning;request foz the additional areas was denied. 1=6-69 Discussion for reconsideration of denial. No vote. -� � ■ �l�F :� �, / � e� ! '� � �Y r CITY OF FRIDLEY PI,ANNING COMNIISSION MEETING OCTOBER 6� 1976 PAGE 1 CAI,L TO ORDER: Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:38 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present; Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Peterson (arrived 5:00), Schnabel, Shea Members Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Boardman� City Planner �ck Sobiech, Public Works Director APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTFS: SEPTE2�IBER 22, 1976 MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Coimnission minutes of September 22, 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote, all votmng aye, the motion carried unanimously. WiV'1'l1VUP;1J: YUtSLlI: riP:At[1Nli: I:UNSIU1�;tiA'1'lUN UP' A YHUYV7P:U Yk{!';L1M.LNAHY YLA P.S. 7-0 CENTRAL TOWNHOUSE ADDITION BY EVERT SWANSON: Being a repl o Lo , excep the East 190 feet thereof� an except the West 1% feet taken £or highxay purposes, and the West 11�7.%� £eet of Lot 18� all in Auditor�s Subdivision No. 129� to allow the development o£ a 36 unit townhouse site� the same being located at the intersection of CentraZ Anenue and 73rd Avenue N,E. Public Hearing closed. Mr. Evert R. Swanson� property owner� and Mr. A1 Hoffinez�r� architect, were present. Mr. Boardman explained that this uas a preliminary plat on the townhouses to locate the buildings on the site and also clean up the legal description� and it was a typical to�*nhouse type plat. Chairperson Harris stated there had been a question at the last meeting concerming parking stall locations, and Mr, Boardman showed the Commission a plan depicting parking stalls. Ae said thet a2though these plans did not show it� Mr. HofS�eier had guaranteed he would also shift the buildings. Mrs. Schnabel said that they should note that the number o£ parking spaces had changed from the plan presented at the last meeting. Mr. Hoff.meier said 5 � Planning Cormnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 2 5A he had made a mistake in his mathematics on the first one. He stated that the requirement xas for ninety parking stalls� and they had 99. Chairperson Harris marked the plan shoxing the parking stalls as exhibit D. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval o£ the proposed preliminary plat, P.S. #76-08, Central Toxnhouse Addition� by Etirert Swanson: Being a replat of Lot 19, except the East 190 £eet thereo£, and except the West 17 £eet taken £or highway purposes, and the West 1117.71t £eet of Lot 18, all in Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the development o£ a 36 unit toranhouse site, the same being located at the intersection of Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E. Mrs. Schnabel said that in looking back in the minutes from the last meeting� one of their concesns was the reviex of the assessment type items relative to 73rd Street. Mr. Boardman stated that the sewer and vater and storm sewers that were in the streets were designed to carry capacity loads £or development in that area. He added that this development would not overburden that load. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Pi1BLIC HEARING; BY WYMAN SMITH: thereof; also the Easterly 50 feet thereof� Auditor's Subdivision No. 89� £rom R-3 (general multiple £ami�y dwellings), to C-1 (local business areas)� or G2� (general business areas)� to allow the construction of a speculative building to be used for of£ices and assemblies� generally located on the South side o£ Norton Avenue N.E, where it intersects with Central Avenue N.E. Public Hearing closed. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergman� that the Planning Commission receive the letter dated October 5, 1976 to the City o£ Fridley £rom Leroy Smith withdraving this request. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Earl Dunbar, 12l�$ Norton Avenue N.E., stated he had a petition which he rrould like put in the files for £uture reference. Chairperson Harris read the petition, dated October !�, 1976, a2oud: We� the undersigned, as concerned residents o£ Norton Avenue Northeast, City o£ Fridley� wish to make the £ollorring statement o£ our wishes and desires concerning the proposed rezoning request� ZOA 76-Os, to rezone the Easterly 200 feet of lot 13� except the Northerly 30 feet thereof and also the Easterly 50 feet thereof� auditors subdivision No. 89, from R-3 to C-1 or C-2: v It is our desire that the above request be denied� and that any `� similar request be likewise denied; in short� that the property mentioned, as well as a11 unoccupied property on Norton Avenue Northeast� �~ . remain R-3. '. Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page � 5B Our primary reasons for this position are: l. That the proposed changes would lead to a decline in property values. 2. That the increased personal and vehicular traffic on the street would be disturbing to the residents. 3. That the increased traffic will endanger the safety o£ the children and property of the homeowners. Chairperson Harris noted that the petition had ten signatures. MOTION by Shea, seconded by LangenPeld� that the Planning Commission receive the petition from the residents of Norton Avenue dated October 4� 1976. Upon a voice wte� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris stated that he would give the peition to the City Administra- tion to be put in the file. TABI,ED: UVi[YVKA'1'1V1V1 15Clrig 6 P@P18L OI LOLS 1 LO q 1i1C1ll5148� tilOCkS "Ll thP011gh , an�lso part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side o£ East Bavarian Pass and South o£ Meister Road N.E. Public Hearing open� tabled August 18, 1976. Mr. Jim London with Darrel Farr DeveloFsnent� and Mr. Darrel A. Farr aere present, Mr. Boardman explained that this had been tabled until Darrel Farr Corporation was ready to go with it, and they were now ready to proceed. He said that this was in the townhouse area and they wanted to increase the size o£ six proposed single-car garages to double-car garages. Mr. London shozaed copies of the proposed plat to the Coimnission. Ae explained that he and Mr. Farr had met with the 7nnsburck North Townhouse Association Arch�teetural Control Committee and the Operating Committee o£ the Innsbruck North Townhouse Association� and they had worked out this proposed replat of the Third Addition. He said that their proposal was to provide 12 double garages in lieu oY the 12 single �arages that were on the original plat. Mr. London explained that they hadn't changed the total number o£ parking spaces as they had increased the inside parking by 12 spaces and decreased the outside parking by 12 spaces. He said that in their agreement with the Innsbruck Townhouse Association they were moving blocks 5, 6, % and 8 to the bottom o£ the page five feet to give a minimum of almost 50� between buildings £or movement o£ tra£fic, parking, and so £orth. He added they had also moved the garages in blocks 5 and 6 so the garage and house would be more in line and open up the green area between buildings. Mr. London added that they were Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page � 5 C going to offer a standard garage door operator to beisold with each garage so people would use the indoor parking more. Chairperson Harris asked : Mr. London if he was aware of the letter from Mr. Jerry W. Anderson, Chairman of the Architectural Control Committee, to the Planning Commission, dated July 20, 1976. Mr. London said he was, and that they had had their meetings after that. He explained that letter was written the first time they had appeared before this Commission, and there were three subsequent meetings after that srhen this plat was worked out. Mrs. Schnabel asked if there vould be any outside parking, and Mr. London replied that it wasn�t shown on this plat, but there would be. Mr. Boardman asked if units 7 and 8 were moved� and Mr. London replied they had been moved back from the street. Mr. Boardman stated that Staff had no problem wi.th this preliminary plat. MOTION by Shea� seconded by Langen£eld, that the Planni.ng Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration o£ a prelimi.nary plat, P.S. #{76-05, Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corpora- tion. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 8:05. Mr. Bergman stated that initially he had some concern about the lack o£ a letter in writing from the Architectural Control Committee to mate with the letter on page 45 oY the agenda. Hoxever, he said, the lef�ter from that Coimni.ttee says they have a verbal agreement with Jim London, and since Mr. London now told the CQmmission they are in aceord, he didn'i ieel.the conoern that a.ietter was needed for reference purposes. Chairperson Harris suggested it would be well to have that letter for the City Council. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Coimnission recommend to Council approval of preliminary plat� P.S, #76-05, Innsbruck North Replat Thizd Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Develo�anent Corporation: Bei.ng a replat o£ Lots 1 to 1� inclusive, Blocks 21 through 26, and also part o£ Lot 1� Block 28� Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition� to allow changes in the size oi garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South o£ Meister Road N.E. Mas. Schnabel said that the original request form sai.d to increase the size of five proposed garages� and the request was actually £or six. Mr. 7,ondon said that was just an error� and it should be six. Chairperson Harris suggested that be cleaned up before the request went to Council, UPOR A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. as follows: That part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, lying West of a line drawn £rom the most Northerly corner of Outlot C� Innsbruck Villages, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A, Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating, the purpose of the plat to allow £or a more feasible Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 5 5 D distribution of the same number of units in the development, generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E, and West of the Black k'orest Apartment. Mr. Jim London, with Darrel A. Farr Developqnent Corporation, and Mr, Darrel Farr were present. MOTION by I.angenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addition! by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote, all voting �ye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:10. Mr. Boardman stated this xas somewhat confusing� and directed the Co�mnission to turn to page 55 of their agendas which sho+/red what hadooriginally been proposed. He showed the Commissioners the new plat and explained what changes had been made, and explained the land change would be equal. He said they had £elt that several buildings were too close to the apartment area, so they were elimi.nating "B"� were switching �A" closer to the cul-de-sac, and putti.ng xh�t had been "A" back into Outlot C. He stated there would be the same number of units on the plat� hut just in a different location. He added that the square footage would be adjusted to be equal. Mr. I.ondon said that this had been approved originally for 100 units, and they now had 96, so there was a reduction. He stated that the land areas �,*ould be an equal swap; neither the Black Forest or Innsbruck Village would lose any land. Mr. Milton Bullock, 5674 Arthur Street� Fridley� asked if he could see a copy of the plat. Mr. Boardman shozred Mr. Bullock and other interested residents the proposed plat and explained it to them. Marjorie Phelan, Matierhorn Drive, asked if an II�vironmental Lnpact Study had bean done in this area. Mr. Boardman replied that none vas done, and enplained that the only wa� they would have been required to do an D�vironmental Impact Study was through a petition, and no petition was drawn up. Ms. Phelan said she lmex this was after the fact, but she felt what was being done in that area was a shame. She asked i£ the City of Fridley didn�t have ar�y responsibility to protect the environment. Mr. Boardman replied they did, and it would have been up to the City Council at the time the first plats came in. He said the City Cbnncil tried to realize some o£ the environmental problems on this; how- ever� it would have been difficult srhen this came through to tell them they had to do an environmental statement �.*ithout the State EQC rules and regulations to back them up. He added it was also pretty hard for the Council to deny some- one use o£ his property� but they could put restrictions on that property to be as environmentally conscious of the property as possible. Chairperson Harris stated that the City had spent a lot of time ard energy, as did the developer� trying to work out a workable plan to save as many trees asd preserve the area as much as they could, He explained that they did not have the tools at that time that they had now to require �vironmental Impact 5tatements. Ae further explained that didn�t take affect until the first part Planning Conunission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 6 of 1971i� and this plat had been in the works si.nce 1970. Mr. Bergman stated that the history actually went back about 9 or 10 years xhen the entire 130 acressite of Innsbruck North both in Fridley and New Brighton waseproposed £or rezoning for multiple family apartments and townhouses. He said the people in the neighborhood fought successfully against rezoning efforts which would have converted the entire acreage to multiple family. The people in the neighborhood xere in contact rrith city, county, and state agencies promoting all or part of that area as park land to try to retain its natural state without success, Mr. Bergman said it was rezoned about ten years ago for the purpose that the developer now wants, so he felt that the ecology e£fort should have been applied 9 or 10 years ago prior to its rezoning for multiple £amily. Mr. Peterson said that he thought they had to realize that probably everybody at this meeting who owned a home had probably cut down trees to build that house. He stated it was always easy to say that somebody else should preserve their property in its natural state, and he thought that the Darrel Farr Corporation had been very cooperative in trying to do all they could to preserve the beauty of the area. He added that he felt it should be pointed out that people did have certain rights to develop the property they owned, Mr. Farr stated that they had done as good a job as they could to maintain the land, He said it wa5 costly to develop, and because of that cost the homes were more highly priced than comparable homes in other areas. Therefore� he continued� they had to have some competitive advantage £rom a business standpoint� and that was the trees and ponds. He added that they did dedicate a site to the City of Fridley for park purposes that was larger than the site they were presently developing for the villages. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the tvo buildings that were being currently constructed on North Innsbruck Drive would be models. Mr. Farr replied that the first two buildings would be sold, He explained that the first building was intended to be a model, but since the decision to incorporate double garages was made along irith other architectural changes of a minor nature� the models would actually be block 19. Mr. Bullock stated he had a question concerning the road. He said that at the last Cotmnission meeting he attended he understood the road that vould be constructed between the divisions coming out on Arthur Street would be single lane and would be angled to the North� and asked if this xas still the case. Mr. London said the road would be built to the letter of the agreement with the City of Fridley. 5E Mr. Bergman said they had all spent a lot of time at previous meetings concerning the building plan, street patterns, setbacks� etc., and he was just wondering how approval o£ this plan would affect the agreement, stipulations, and negotiated compromises that were made through the previous grocess. Mr. I.ondon said that the agreement stands. He explained they were not asking for sny changes in that agreement. Mr. Bergman then asked iP the request could be rephrased to 1) include a reduetion in density from 100 units to 96� and 2) to merely relocate units A and B from the previous plat, Mr. London said the only other change would be Planning Coimnission Meeting - October 6� 1976 Page 7 5 F the land slot, He showed Mr. Bergman the plat and explained what he meant. Mr. Roberi '1lirek, 5b29 No. Danube Road, asked if somewhere in the City there was a master plan that showed the way things were going to be. Mr. Boardman said they had an over-a11 concept, but it didn't show where all the buildings would be. Chairperson Harris said that they would have somethigg on all buildings that were under construction at this time. Mr. Rl�rek asked if he could get copies of the letters that had been discussed, and was told he could. Mr, Bullock asked if the direction of the road in question had been drawn on any plan shorring the degree o£ angling to the North, and Mr. Sobeich replied that construction plans had not been drawn. Mr. Bullock asked how they would be able to lmow when it had been drawn so they could express their opinions, and Mr. Sobeich said the o££ice could just take his name and if he was interested show him the plans. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Co�nission close the Public Hearing on consideration o£ a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote� all voting �ye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hesring closed at 8:1y8 P.Ni. Mrs. Schnabel cownented that one thing that had concerned her before was the mai.ntenance o£ North Innsbruck Drive, and she was now happy to see things were moving along as approved. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Co�nission recommend to Council approval of preliminary plat� P.S. #76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation: Being a replat of the Eastern houndary of Innsbruck Villages Addition� described as follows: That part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, lying West of a line drawn £rom the most Northerly corner of putlot C� Innsbruck Villages, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A� Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating� the purpose oP the plat to allow Por a more £easible distribu- tion of the same number o£ units in the development� generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N,E, and West of the Black Forest Apar�ment. Mrs. Schnabel noted that the planning and zoning form did not shov a fee paid £or the request. Mr. London said it had been paid, and Mr. Boardman agreed it had. Mr. Bergman said he would like to suggest an additional statement to the motion saying "with the understanding that a11 stipulations and agreements which were part of the previous preliminary plat recommendation be retained°. Mr. Peterson AMIIVDID the MOTION to include the statement by Mr. Ber�nan. Mi'. Langenfeld agreed, UPON A VOICB VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. PfJBLIC HEARIN(i: CONSIDIIi�TION OF A PROPOSID PLAT P.S. #7b-07 HOTTLU OAKS. BY THE ROTTLUND COMPANY: Being a replat of Lots , 7� , 9� 10� Planning Coimni.ssion Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 8 5G 1l�, 15, 16 and 17, Block 1, Spring Brook Park Second Addition, together with Lots 32 and 33� and the West 30 feet of I.ots 3Lt and 35� Block 10� Spring Brook Park Additmon, znned P,D. (Planned Develo�ttnent), generally located between Ruth Street N.E. and East River Road N.E., North of Liberty Street N.E. Mr. David H. Rotter of Rottlund Company was present. MflTION by Peterson� seconded by Langen£eld� that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration oY a proposed plat, P.S. #76-07� Rottlund Oaks, by the Rottlund Company. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:55 P.M. Mr. Boardman explained this was a proposal For 13 lots off oF a cul-de-sac� and the lot wi.dtts at the 35' setback were shown. He said that Staff would suggest a lot be dropped to bring it up to vhat the code requirements were £or lot widths� and also to make the lots more salable. Mr. Peterson asked if all of the lots met the minimum area requirements in terms o£ square footage, and Mr. Boardman sai.d he believed they did. He eacplained that lot 7 was a 50' lot that had an existing house on it. Mr. Boardman said that they were asking a lot be dropped because although the lots might meet the square footage requirements, in order to meet the 75' width on the lot it may be required to have a setback of !�0 or lt5 feet. Mr. Rotter stated that they Were not trying to increase the number of lots over the original plan; he said that in this area with the original street patterns there were the same number of lots. He explai.ned the reason for platting it this wa,g was because of the unusual terrain o£ the property and by pulling the cul-de-sac back up they xere forced to reduce the lots. He stated they would like to leave these lots as they were buildable. Chairperson Harris read the following letter to the City of Fridley Planning Coir¢nission from Mr. Rotter� dated October 4, 1976: We would like to briefly explain our position in our request £or preliminary approval o£ Rottlund Oaks. After study on our part as to the topography of the area and neighbor- ing property� we felt the majority of this property would best be suited £or residential construction other than Lots 11� 12 and 13� of Spring Brook Park, 2nd Addition, xhich we would use as a multi-family area. In the past� this property has been approved for a 108 unit apartment bu�lding. The high density use of this land would not be conducive with the neighboring streets of Liberty and Ruth� which now is single family homes. In order £or this property to be developed both economically and esthetically, we are proposing the replatting of the lots as indicated in our applica- tion and preliminary plat. The number of lots we are requesting on the replat is the same number o£ lots on the original plat. Planning Con¢nission Meeting - October 6� 197b Page 9 5 H MOTION by Iangenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Con¢ni.ssion receive the letter from Mr. Rotter to the Planning Commission dated October 11� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting qye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Rotter stated that they were trying to utilize the property as ecottomically as possible� and were not trying to gain anything oatoo£ the property or pick up an extra lot. He added that hopefully the purchase of the existing home would be made by the Rotilund Company. He said that they were also the owners of lots 1, 2, 3 and 1� on the South portion of Liberty Street and were building single family homes on this nox. Mr, Rotter sai.d that as far as marketability went as mentioned by Staf£, he felt they irere marketable this way and wanted to hang on to all the lots they had. Mr, Peterson asked what Mr, Rotter's plans vere for lot 7 if he purchased the existing structure there. Mr. Rotter replied his i.ntention was to resell� as there was nothing wrong with the house. Mrs. Schnabel asked why he was replatting from the original plan to the one presented at this meeting. Mr. Rotter explained that lots 1l�, 10, 9 and 8 were practically unbuildable unless the entire area xas filled. He said the cul-de-sac would be at the top of a swale line that dropped about 18'� and that by pulling this back up they could leave the majority of the trees. He explained that building on East River Road wouldn't be as salable with the trees gone. Mr. Bergman said he got the impression that every lot facing the cul-de-sac was more than 9�000 square feet� and asked Mr. Boardman if he had checked the sizes, Mr. Boardman said the lots were all in excesso£ 9,000 square feet� and their consideration would be that no variances be granted on these lots. Chairperson Harris asked how far back the houses would be set from the cul-de-sac, and Mr. Rotter replied that on lots 3, �� 5 and 6 the houses would probably be back about 1�5'+ Mr• Haxris asked hox far back the house on lot 8 would sit� and Mr. Rotter stated that he would try to blend the houses so it uould look like a neighborhood. Chairperson Harris explai.ned that the City had an ordinance concerning average front yard setbacks zrhich allowed, he believed, only a 6' deviation. Mr. Boardman pointed out that on lot 8 Mr, Rotter could deviate the house back £rom the one on lot 7� and Mr. Rotter said he could also put the garage toward the front to bring it closer. Mrs. Schnabel noted that in the original plan dsted back in 1967 there was some discussion about conunercial development. She said they xere ignoring lots 11� 12 and 13� and asked if Mr. Rotter still intended to put a commercial area in. Mr. Rotter replied he did not� and explained those lots were £or multiple purpose and not £or commercial. Mr. Howard Dumphy stated he was representing the owners of lot 15 of block 10, Spring Brook Park, and lots 32 and 33 and the West 30� of lots 34 and 35, Spring Brook Park. He said these lots were being purchased by the applicant and they were willing to go along with the request, but in the event the purchase uas not consumated they felt the_replatting should noi be considered. Planning Co�nission Meeting - October 6� 1976 Page 10 5 I Mr. Azad Mesrobian� 298 Ely Street N.E.� asked for a definition of Planned Unit Development. Mr. Boardman explained that required the developer to bring in a plan showing how he would develop the property, and the code required the developer to appear before a Public Hearing and have complete, complex drawings of what was proposed. He explained that Planned Unit Development could include commercial, residential, etc., in a combination. Mr. Mesrobian asked how many of these planned units were multiple dwellings� and Mr. Soardman replied that Mr. Rotter was deneloping the lots off of F1y Circle into single-family hoffies. Mr. Charles Sprafka� 280 Ely Street N.E., stated he wished to commend Mr. Rotter and Rottlund Company Por proposing the movement o£ the cul-de-sac away from the street to preserve the beauty of the area. Mrs. Schnabel noted that Mr. Boardman had recommended that the petitioner give up a lot in the proposed plan� and asked if there was some specific plan in mind. Mr. Rotter explained he had talked to Darrel Clark briefly about this. He said that he did not vish to drop a lot in the area as he was trying to operate within the total number o£ lotsooriginally platted. Mrs. Shea asked if lot $ was 100' uide, and Mr. Rotter said that lot was 7$'• Chairperson Harris asked if the lots xould meet the minimum requirements for width if they were at the lt5� setback line. Mr. Boardmsn replied they would in all cases except lot #7, where the existing house was. Mr. Boardman suggested i£ this proposal was adopted that they would maintain a setback at some point where they could build where the lot xidth was 75'. Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Rotter if he would be willing to agree that the setback xould be at 1�5� for a 75' width. Mr. Rotter replied that it depended so much on the lay of the land. He said he didn't want to end up pushing the houses back into the area and defeating the purposedof the cul-de-sac. He added that he would not request a varience for any of the lots as proposed as £ar as side yard setbacks. Chairperson Harris said that the problem �ras they had a platting ordinance that states that minimum lot width be 75' at the 35' setback line. He explained that if they approved this plat as it �ras� they were in violation of the ordinance. Mr. Rotter asked i£ they were suggesting that a setback be maintained that vould give them 75� at the building line, and Mr. Harris said that was correct. Mr. Peterson sai.d they had heard neighbors commend Mr. Rotter for a plan to save the ecology of the area, and they on the Planning Commission were trying to force Mr. Rotter to accept a plan that vould £orce him to destroy trees. Chairperson Harris said he was not sure that was what they xere doing. Re stated they required that the location of the buildings be presented before they approved a Planned Unit Development, so all that work would have to be done ahead of time, h1r. Peterson stated he understood that, but they did bend the ordinances under certain circumstances and he thought that as a Commission they should be listening to what the people in the sudience vere telling them who were neighbors o£ the developer. Mr. Spra£ka asked if it would be possible to obtain an F3ivironmental Impact Statement that would have preeedence over the local ordinance in this case to waive that requirement� or if something could be done at State level. Chair- person Harris stated they could handle this as a Planned Unit Development where Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 11 5 J the locations of all the buildings would have to be presented on a plan� shoring contours and the whole layout before the plan xas approved. Mr. Boardman added that actually the Planning Commission could not waive any o£ the codes, but could make a recommendat�on to the City Council. Chairperson Harris said that Mr. Rotter could drav the houses on the plat to see iY the setback requirements would destroy the tress or if they wouldn!t. He added that the Coirunission should £ind out if Mr. Rotter felt that the requirements would work a hardship be£ore they recotmnended approval of the plat. Mr. Boardman suggested a motion that would say Mr. Rotter would attempt to maintain the 75� lot width at the building site location� and would require a variance to this if that building location was any less than 75�. He said that way the Appeals Commission could look at it� and he thought that in most cases it wouldn�t take the 1�5� to get the 75� width. Mr. Rotter stated he wanted to utilize the property as best he could, and there were 60' lots in the area where homes had been built. He said that if he had to push the homes back to 50 or 60 feet� it might meet the letter of the law but it might not be presentable as such. Chairperson Harris said that perhaps he should determine where the 75' lines were and sketch in a rough dwelling size and see how exactly they would fit in on the lot, Mr. Rotter said he would consider that, but he had already done the North section oF the area without follorring this £ormat. Mr. Aarris said that apparently someone in the past had decided not to £ollow the ordinance. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Rotter what his plans were in terms of time� and Mr. Rotter replied he would like to start construbtion on lots 5� 1 and 7 in a very short time. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by LangenFeld, to continue in two weeks the Public Hearing on consideration o£ a proposed plat� P.S, //76-07, Rottlund Oaks, by the Rottlund Company, and ask the developer to bring in a sketch showi.ng the locatmon of the buildings regarding the 75' width and setback requirements, Mr. Peterson explained that they really had nothing to go on at this ti�rie� and the sketch would let them lmow if they rrere causing Mr. Rotter a hardship or not. Mr. Bergman stated he thought they vere overburdening this thing, He said he eas sure that eventually Mr. Rotter would have to do:.�rhat riad been suggested, but he was not sure that what would be done to shov the building setbacks and 75� lot width at the building location would be that firm or valid at this point as it would be at the time Mr. Rotter would seriously construct something. He stated that he was impressed that one of the public bene£its of establishing continuity was not really that applicable around a cul-de-sac as in a straight-line block. Mr. Bergman said he was reco�izing that this particular piece o£ land was causing some develogment problems, and was consid- ering that the 75' width was really not that uniform�y adhered to. Chairperson Aarris stated that in all new plats it was. Mr. Bergman said that it may be adhered to on nezr plats� but not in building construction on presently platted property. He said he was questioning that that requirement was legally applicable in a Planned Unit Development, Mr. Harris said it was. Planning Commission Meeting - October 6� 1976 Page 12 5 K Mr. Peterson stated his first inclination would be to vote for Mr. Rotter's request, but as the discussion went along he felt it was un£air to the Planning Commission to vote without lmoving if it was one, two, or three lots that would be working a hardship on Mr. Rotter, and that was the reason £or his motion, Mr, Langen£eld added that what it boiled down to was that they were just asking that the Planned Unit Develo�nent procedure be followed to the letter. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimoasly, Mr. Rotter said he wished to point out that the original development plan of this property was for a 108 unit apartment building, which would have been a disaster in that area. He said he didn�t want to completely go �t,hrough the Planned Development procedure because of the length of time it would take� but he was trying to better the property other than the previously planned monster that was going to go there, and he wished the Coamission would consider that in their determination. OF REZONING THE Tabled at September 8� 1976 Planning Commi.�sion meeting. Mr, Boardman explained that this item had to do with item 5, the proposed plat by the Rottlund Company, and suggested that this be continued in two weeks also. MOTION by langenfeld� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission continue in two weeks the consideration of rezoning the PD District in the 8110 block of East River Road to R-1. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Rotter said that item 6 was an item brought to the Commission by Staff, and explained he was not requesting rezon£raig on that property. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT P.S. #76-09 DELIER ADDITION, BY DONALD M. LEIER: Being a replat o I�ot 33� Auditor's Subdivision No 129� to s11ow the develoFxnent of 3 R-1 lots (single family dwelling area) and ly R-3 lots� (general multiple family units)� generally located in the 15f30 Block between 73� avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E. Mr. Donald Leier was present. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the'Plaaning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. #'jb-09� Deleier Addition, by Donald M. I�eier. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 9:Lt5 p.M. Mr. Boardman directed the Cormnission to turn to page 7200£ their agenda and pointed out the general location of the area. He said there were plans that Planning Cammission Meeting - October 6� 1976 p�e lj 5 L 73-'g would go through that property and connect up to Onondaga Street. He explained that this was an existing plat from Auditor�s Sub� and what vas being requested was a replat of that Auditor's Sub. He stated that page 73 showed what was involved, and sai.d at this time Mr. Leier was planning on going s.ri.th single family homes in the R-3. Mr. Boardmen said that i£ an apartment unit was allowed in there as it vas according to the zoning� he would suggest that a stipulation be made allotiring no access to ']3� St. He brought to the Commission�s attention a memo £rom Tom polbert dated October 5, 197b concerning the watermain, sanitary, and easements in the Deleier Addition. Mr. Leier said he bought the property not knowing of the platting� and found out Lakeside Road was supposed to extend to the cul-de-sac. He said he had invested in this an� would have to go ahead with it. Mr. Leier said the lots were not 75' wide� but 72.25' xide� and it was a tough situation. He added that this was an area where large homes would not be built, and the square footage on the smallest lots were 9�970 feet and and the largest was 11�000 square feet. Chairperson Harris asked i£ the area designated as R-3 was all one parcel now, and was told it was, Ae asked i£ Mr. Leier proposed to split that into four sections, and Mr. Leier replied he did in order to have a wider range of gossibilities for it. Mr, Aarris asked hox large the total R-3 parcel was, and Mr. Boardman said it was getting close to �0,000 square feet, Mr. Harris asked how many units that would hold, and Mr. Boardman replied about 16, Mr. Harris asked if there were any problems xith any of the lots in the R-1 area, and Mr. Boardman sai.d there were not, Mr. Peterson asked if he understood correctly that Staff had no problems with the petitioner�s request `rith existi.ng codes� other than the stipulation £or the egress onto 73�. Mr. Boardman said that was correct� and he didn't have a big problem with that area going either R-1 or R-3• He sai.d if it went R-3 he would suggest all traf£ic be connected�to 73rd. He added it was even possible for half o£ that to go to R-1 and half go to R-3. Karen Eggert� 7351 Pinetree I,ane� N.E., asked if the plan called for 731g to go through or if it would stog right there. Mr. Boardman explained the road would connect, and suggested that should be a stipulation. Ae added that he had contact r*ith the owner of 2180, and his intent over the phone was to go for a lot split North and South, and he would be coming in to apply £or that some time next week. However� he said� he still felt the stipulation for easement should be connected to this plat in case he dmdn�t apply for the lot split. Mr. Sobiech interjected that in order to achieve the integrity of the future development that was planned there� it was the City's intent to make that connection, and in order to make that connection they must maintain that easement. Chairperson Harris asked i£ the City wauld require these people to acquire the easement� and Mr, Sobiech replied that was their intention. He explained that to this date they had had the developers acquire the easements, and it was not unusual. John Eggert, 7351 Pinetree Lane, N,E., stated he lived on lot #3, and in talking to the neighbors around the area they agreed they would like to see the area go R-1. Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 11� 5 r� Mr. Leier said it was his intention £or the Gity to do this work and assess him £or it, He said he also contacted the owner o£ the apar�ment adjacent on the Eastern side, and that person also owned the property where 73� xould go straight East, and he ttas interested in doing something there, too. Mr. Leier asked if� for example� the City would take over the curbs� street� sewer, etc.� i£ thev would couple that bid �rith others in the area. Mr. Sobeich replied that tfiey tried to ineorporate street projects with the annual ai�y street improvements, and would hopefully get the lowest possible bid for construction. He added that sanitary sewer and water would be another bid, but they�tried to combine as much as possible to get the lowest possible price. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. J{76-o9, Deleier Addition� by Donald M. Leier, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 10:05 P.M. Mrs. Schnabel asked if they were approving a replatting into £our separate lots of that R-3 section for the purpose of those parcels eventually being built on as R-1 property. Mr. Boardman said he was sure that was what Mr. Leier�s intention was. Mrs. Schnabel then asked w2�y they would not rezone at the same time they replat, and Mr. Boardman answered because R-1 could be built on R-3 property. Mrs. Schnabel stated that the lot size bothered her. She said that she had some problems goi.ng along with replatting xith lots oF that size since they were trying to be consistent in the City to maintain 75� widths. Mr. Boardman pointed out that it would be dif£icult to do it any differently. Mrs. Schnabel said she didn�t have the magic ans�er, but felt it would require a variance at the time it was built upon. Mr. Sobiech stated that a variance would not be necessary if the plat was approved as such. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Cotmnission recommend to CQUncil approval of preliminary plat� P.S. #76-09, Deleier Addition� by Donald M. Leier; Being a replat of Lot 33� Auditor�s sub- division No 129� to allow the develo�nent o£ 3 R-1 lots (single family dwelling area) and 4 R-3 lots� (general multiple family units)� generally located in the 1500 Block betxeen 73rd Avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E, with the following understandings: I,) That street easements to complete 73� Street and its intersection of Lakeside Road frill be completed, and 2) That if the R-3 property is actually developed for multiple family, that access not be of£ 73� Street. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. LOT SPLIT REQUFST: L.S. #76-08 BY MR. & MRS. KENNETH GASPER: The purpose o£ the lot split request was to split off . feet of £ront Yootage of Lot 8� Block 1� Holiday Hills Second Addition� and make it a part of Lot 9� Block 2� Aolid�v Hills Addition� but the request now includes other properties listed on their deed that has never gone through the lot split procedure by the City. The complete request is as follows: That part of Lot 8� Block 1, Holiday Hills Second Addition, described as £ollows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of Lot 8� Block 1, Aoliday Hills Second Addition, said point being located 97 feet Southwesterly of the Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 15 Northeast corner of said I,ot 8� a distance o£ 99.65 feet to the most Southerly point o£ said Lot 8� thence Northwesterly along the West line, a distance of 75 feet� thence Northeasterly to the point of beginning, AND, that part of I,ot 8, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly li.ne of said Lot 8, that point being 15 feet Northeast o£ the most Southerly corner o£ said Lot 8� thence Northwesterly along the Southerly line of said Lot 8, a distance o£ 137 Yeet to a point on the Westerly line of said Lot 8, thence South- easterly to a point of beginni.ng� all to be part o£ Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, the same being 501 Rice Creek Blvd. N,E. Mr. Kenneth A. Gasper xas present, Mr. Boardman explained to the Cortmission what areas they were dealing �rith� and said that Mr. Gasper was requesting a lot split of an additional .55'from Holiday Hills 3econd Addition. He said that since this lot split had never been approved by the City� that should be done at this time also. He stated that the petitioner did have the approval of the property owners on each side. Mr. Gasper explained that his children pl�yed on that particular piece of property, and he had wanted this lot split for some time. He said that to look at the geography of the property, it looked like it belonged to his lot more than Lot 8, Block 1. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Hergman� that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of Lot Split Request L.S. #76-08, by Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Gasper: The purpose o£ the lot split request was to split off 55 £eet of £ront footage of Lot 8� Block 1, Holid�y Hills Second Addition� and make it a part of Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, but the request now includes other properties listed on their deed that has never gone through the lot split procedure by the City. The complete request is as follows: That part of Lot 8� Block 1� Holiday Hills second Addition, described as follows: Beginning at a poi.nt on the Easterly line o£ Lot 8� Block l� Holiday Hills Second Addition� said point being located 97 feet Southwesterly of the Northeast corner oi said I,ot 8� thence Southeasterly along the East line o£ said Lot 8� a distance of 99.65 £eet to the most Southerly point of said I.ot 8� thence Northwesterly along the West line, a distance o£ 75 feet� thence Northeasterly to the point of beginning, AND, that part of Lot 8, Block 2, Holiday�Hills Addition described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of said Lot 8, that point being 15 feet Northeast of the most Southerly corner o£ said I,ot 8� thence Northwesterly along the Southerly line o£ said Lot 8, a distance o£ 137 feet to a point on the Westerly line of said Lot 8, thence Southeasterly to a point of beginning, all to be part o£ Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition� the same 501 Rice Greek Blvd. N.E. Mrs. Shea stated that for personal reasons she wished to abstai.n. UPON A VOICE VOTE, Harris� Bergman� Langen£eld� Peterson and Schnabel voting aye; Shea abstaining, the motion carried, 9. .S. #7b-09. BY BENIDICT Split off the Southerly 102 feet of Lot 34� Auditor's Subdivision No, %7� subject to 9 foot road easement 71� Way N.E.� to create a new building site� 5N Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 16 5 Q the same being 1lts 71'� Way N,E. (The address of Mr. Novak's residence will have to be changed when a building permit is taken out for construetion on the new building site). Mr, Benedict Novak was present, and stated he wanted to take off 92 feet, not 102, Mr. Boardman explained that this lot split request xas tentatively granted by the City Council when �o�d�*ay easement was given up by Mr. Novak to allox development of 8 lots. He indicated to the Commission where the property was located on the map on page 82 of the agenda. Mr. Boardman said Staff would request the lot split be no less than 89' and that 9' of that xould be required £or roadway easement. He sai.d they xould also request that the lot split be no closer than 10' to the present structure. Mr. Novak said he had had his property surveyed, and the lot split would be 8' South of his fence, and the fence was over 10� from the existing house. Mr. Bergman questioned what could be made out of a 9' street easment� and Mr. Boardman explained they had a present road easement there nov� and an additional 9' would make it a standard size. Mr. Sobeich added that the additional 9' would make it !�2', xhich would be consistent with the adjacent p�pperty. Mr. Boardman said that the Ciiy Council allowed him only one lot split, so although the lot to the South was large enough for another lot split, the Council said only one would be allowed. It had also been agreed, he added, that the property would be split by a simple lot split instead of platting. MQTION by Schnabel, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Corr¢nission recommend to Council approval of I.ot Split Request L.S. #'76-09, by Benedict 23ovak; Split off the Southerly 92 feet of Lot 3�� Auditor�s Subdivision No. 77� subject to 9 foot road easement 71� Way N.E., to create a new building site, the sazne being ].1y5 71� Way N.E. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried uttanimously. Since representativ� o£ Anoka County were present to discuss East River Road, Chairperson Harris suggested deferring Item 10 until after Item 11 on the agenda. MOTION try Bergman, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Conanission take the receiving of the Community Development minutes as Item 11-A. Bpon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 'Y CAMMISSYON h MOTION by LangenPeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive the Fridley Ilivironmental Quality Commission minutes o£ September 21� 1976. Upon a wice vote� all sroting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. J Planning Corrrtnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 17 5 P MOTION by Langen£eld� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the East River Road Project Committee report. Mr. Sobiech stated that Staff and representatives £rom the County were not present to respond to the minutes, but to perhaps provide additional information to the Planning Co�nission that might help them when considering the minutes of the Environmental Quality Commission. Mr. Boardman stated that the recommendation from the Environmental Commission was threefold: 1) the approval of the Project Con¢nittee report, 2) the recommendation o£ designation by the Fridley Parks and Recreation Commission for the East River Road as a parkway and establish controls by ordinance as the Fridley Parkway System for its social and environmental significance, and 3) the recommendation that the Planning Comnission and City Council set a moratorium on project ST 75-3. He added that he thought the main thing at this meeting for the County would be the moratorium issue. Mr. Sobiech stated that first o£ all, it should be realized that the project as it exists now is not something that was just starting, but something that the previous Council had already ordered in. He said that back in 1970 and 1971 there were Public Hearings, and the resolution vas made ordering the improve- ment of East River Road £rom I-69Lt to Mississippi Street. He said that at that time this was the normal procedure to £ollow for an assessment type improvement� so they were not beginning something at this stage� but trying to complete previous direction given by Council. Mr. Sobeich stated that at this time there was a remaining section to be completed. He said that during the Public Hearing phase o£ the original proposal� there were three Public Hearings held to receive input from the area residents. Based on those three Public Hearings� he said, there were some real modifications to the original plan, and based on the input revised plans were prepared and the project improvement was ordered in. Mr. Sobiech continued that at that initial time there was some Federal funding applied for and approved for that section; but with the modi£ications that ttere suggested and implemented based on the Public Hearings� the Federal people could not itind the revised project. He said that what developed at that time was a stage-type construction� and the Federal people indicated they could participate insa different program for the improvement of East River Road at Mississippi Street and a few blocks either way. He said that was Federally funded and that set the siage £or the construction stage as it was now. He added that once the Topics Project Was completed, then the City got pressure from the property owners to complete the next stage at the Georgetown area. Ae said they then proceeded srith the next stage of the improvement and the County and the City Had to provide their own flznding for the completion thai had been done over the past several months. All that remained noW� he said� was one remaining section about four to six blocks long. He stated that the City Council and the County still wanted to receive the input £rom the project committee� because they felt that any input was good. Mr. Sobiech emphasized that the improvement that had been made and the improve- ments that they intended to make were for safety factors. He said they did not intend to increase the traf£ic lanes; Your lanes of traffic were initiated in i955 or 1956 and had been that way ever since. He stated they hoped to increase safety for the people travelling along East River Road and for the Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 18 5 Q residents to get on to East River Road, He said that with the section that is proposed, they anticipated four lanes, shrnllder sections and turning lanes, and their main objective was to get people on and o£f the raad safely. Mr. Sob�ech said that this project was pending. B�cause of the fact that certain homes had been built since the project was initiated and certai.n homes had changed hands! there had been a lot o£ escrow money that had been aside £or this improvement,. He stated that another reason for the completion of this project was they felt that nox with the completion o£ the Mississippi underpass there would be a definite traf£ic pattern established whereby a lot of Fridley residents would use that roadway. He explained that a traffic count taken at the North boundary line xas about 10,000 to 12�000 cars::per day, but the count taken closer to I-69Lt �eached 27,000. He said they felt there was a considerable amount of use bei.ng made by this section of East River Road by general area residents srithin the cormminity, so not only were they trying to emphasize safety, but also allow a means for other area residents to get through the area safely. He stated he felt the Pcoject Committee should be coimnended on sil its work, gathering data, and coming up with their plan. Mr. Paul Ru�3, County Engineer, and Mr. Bud Redepenning� Assistant County F�gineer introduced themselves and said that they were at the meeting primarily to answer que9tions. Mr. Ruud stated that there was a new program of Federal i�nding £or transportation in the urban area� and all agencies put project requests into the hopper and they xere prioritized, He said that the project on East River Road they were talking about did suruive that prioritizing. He added that their preliminary report was called a project development report, and it had been submitted to the State Highway Department last week; it would be reviewed by the State Highway Department and the Federal Highway Administra- tion. Mr. Ruud sai.d that based on other projects they felt it would be approved, and would not need an II�vironmental Impact Statement. Mr. Ruud said that the County had several raeetings with Mr. Paripovich, and they did not feel that his request that this be turned into a parkway or two- lane facility was very realistic� although he was sure it would be nice £or the people living along the road. He explained it had been used quite extensively as a four-way facility. Mr. Rund added that there was one Sacility in Fridley that is now used as a two-lane facility that had heavier use orginally, and that was Old Central Avenue. He said he thought that Mississippi Street North of East River Road xas a different situation, and they didn�t have any plans to do arry specific work on that with the eacception of one improvement of the intersection o£ Osborne Road and East River Road, Mr. Langenfeld stated that it definitely was not the intention of the Fhviron- mental Quality Commission to embark in a lengthy argu�ah, and he assumed that everyone on this Corrunission had read the preliminary recommendations £rom the East River Road Project Con¢nittee. He said that at this time he would like to ask the Chair to recognize the Chairperson o£ the East River ftoad Project Coimnittee, Mike Paripovich. Mr. Paripovich stated that he felt the report from the Project Committee went over the objections and he thought the Con¢nittee o£fered some argument. He said that the file ST 75-3 went back six or seven years, and the people who � � Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 20 ,� 5 S �` �--� were standards that they had to £ollox. Mr. Paripovich said that the only area they differed on was the safety, because the County thought the Project Committee�s proposal Would cause accidents and he thought it would prevent them. Mr. Redepenning said the Committee�s proposal would cause accidents because they were trying to funnel four lanes of traffic down to two, and there would be a bottleneck. Chairperson Harris asked what would happen to the amount of traffic on this road if something Beuld be done with loxer University Avenue. Mr. Ruud said that he was sure that discouraged a lot of people £rom usi,ng 1t7, and the same was true with 65 goi.ng into Central. He added that another thing that would help would be the bridge across the Northtown Crossing, but there was a sixty-million dollar price tag on that project� and nobody lmew when it would happen. Mr. Harris commented that the reason most people used East River Road was because it was a straight shot into downtown Minneapolis. Mr. Bergman said that he was impressed with one part of the project report in particular� and that was the comparisons of signalization on East River Road as compared to University Avenue and Central Avenue, He stated that the comparison said they were apparently discouraging traffic on 65 as a thoroughfare� were discouraging trsffic on University Avenue, and had the least amount of discouragement on East River Road, He said that what the Project Committee was talking about was reducing trafPic, and he didn't see where the County plan addressed that. Chairperson Harris stated that as he saw it, what they were trying to do was handle this as a County affair, and he didn't believe that the total traffic p3cture was totally a County problem. Mr. Redepenning pointed out where there were signals along East River Road as compared to 65. He said that each time that a signal was i.nstalled� though, there was a configuration where the �raffic concentrated at that point. He stated that from Mississippi Street south, there were as many signals as on }�% or 65. He continued that one of the reasons there was a traffic buildup was the main focus of the plan Sor the metro area oP the strong doxntown Minneapolis and strong downtown St. Paul. He stated that people had to get there, and what they £ound on this stretch of road was not unique in Fridley. He said a ring could be drawn around the TwincCities and the same thing would be found on every feeder that was going in. He said there had been a basic decision made that people had to get downtown. Mr. Bergman asked what the cost would be to finish that gection of the road, and Mr. Redepenning said it would be about $t�00,000 to $500�000. Mr. Bergman asked i£ that included £unding from Federal� County and City along with property assessments, and Mr. Redepenning said that what they meant by the City's share xas the assessments. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the speed limit was the same on East River Road as it was on 65 and �7� and was told that the speed limits varied. Mr. Bergman said he could only see one dramatic difference in the�.two plans, and that was the number of lanes. He asked if it srasn�t possible that the project committee�s plan to narrow doxn and attempt to restrict the volume o£ traffic Planning Cotmni.ssion Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 19 5 R lived in those residential areas understood that the entire issue had been dropped; they hadn't realized this was still on the burner. He said those residents were very much up in arms sboii this development to discover that this wasn�t set aside but is an on-going project. He said that this should be looked at because these people represented a goodi.portion oF the citizens of Fridley. Mr. Paripovich suggested they also make a good scrutiny o£ FAU i�nds, and said they could use some help from the County on that, He said he would like to £i.nd out their ground rules and what their funds could be applied to. Mr. Paripovich said that as far as the Project Coimnittee�s plan versus the County plan, there was only one main dif£erence as they interpretedcit. He said they praised the County plan as it irould improve the safety of the road� and shoulders, medians and more signals were needed. Where they dif£ered £rom the County plan� he said� was they were asking £or one lane insteadco£ two going in each direction. Mr. Paripovich had a oopy of a report given him by the City �gineers which showed the traffic projections for 1980 and 1990 projecting a decline in the use of East River Road and a very definite increase in trunk highway 65 with a less pronounced increase in tru nk highway Lt7. He stated that for that portion of the road they were discussing, the projections were only 9,000 cars a d�y. Mr. Paripovich said that by improving the road and widening it at the least 32 £eet� which the County�s plans called for� it would take a garage and a lot o£ property. He again reminded the Commission and the County Eagineers that they were dealing irith people who thought this xhole matter was closed. He stated that i£ this was done� and then the Northtown Cerridor�d the bridge came along, they would have an obsolete expanse of highway on this side of the river. Ae said that what they did need was shoulders� a center median� places £or people to walk and ihe ability £or cars to travel unencumbered down the road at a sa£e speed. He added that they also wanted to lower the speeds, but understood that had no connection with the proposed expansion of the road. He stated that if the Project Committee�s plan became a physical reality� they would have one strictly unencumbered lane. He said that if they opened those areas up to accommodate more tra£fic through that underpass across the railroad tracks, they xould be inviting tra££ic to come over. Mr. Paripovich stated that asswning the FAU end of this could be::solved, he wasn't sure if there would be an i.mpact on the £iscal area of the project; but it seemed to him that iF the road wasn't expanded, and if what was alreac�y there wasn�t torn up� it would be a good deal less expensive. F�nds had already been set aside for part of it� he said� and if the FAU Went along with this plan it would be more economical and better for Fridley� and would have no adverse affect for the County. Chairperson Harris said that he would like to see a layout o£ the present plan by the County, and Mr. Redepenning showed a map to the Commission and explained wh�t had already been done and what they were proposing. Mr. Paripovich showed the Commission a map o£ the Project Committee's proposal, and explained it was just about the same except there was only one lane going in each direction. He said he would like to change the concept from a blazing highway to a bu,py, well-defined thoroughfare, Mr. Ruud said that as an Fhgineer� there cras no rray he could recommend Mr. Paripovich's proposal. He said it would be carelessness on his part, as there Planning Co�mnission Meeting - October 6, 197b Page 21 ST on this road would be more applicable after the pressure was relieved by the Northtown Corridor than at this point in time right prior to additional pressure. Mr. Paripovich responded that the problem was once the improvements had been made� they would be such a permanent thing they would be there £or a long time. Chairperson Harris said that statements had been made in the 1971 hearings that this was Stage l. He said a study had been done from 694 to the creek� and that was the section that was proposed for improvement; then when that was completed� it would be continued from the creek to the Northtown Corridor. He commented that he thought this uas just Stage 1. Mr. Langenfeld said he had several con¢nents to make, but crould like to pre£ace them by reminding the genblemen who were present that this was a controversial problem, and would be even more so by Plywood Minnesota. He stated that first o£F, the citizens were not aware of stages as discussed; secondly� it was his opinion that the intention of the Project Co�nittee was to divert the traf£ic to the major highways such as 65 or Lt7; and thirdly� as far as being realistic� Mike 0'Bannon himself supported this idea and stated that if they were going to do something like this they had to start right here at home. Mr. Langenfeld suggested a noise and pollution report be obtained� as he thought that would have some bearing on the project. Mr. Ruud said that it was their opinion at this time that their statement �rould be accepted that their plan was not adverse. He added that there were four lanes o£ traffic in there now� and they would just be upgradi.ng an existing facility and trying to make it safer. Chairperson Harris asked how a speed limit was determined, and Mr. Paripovich said that he had checked to see what the ¢riteria was far�reducing a speed limit. He stated that the most important point was a radar check xas set up to see what the average speed vas� the reason being they wanted the motorists to show them what they thought the speed limit should be. He added that the number of schools� hospitals� drivewa4ys� etc.� were also taken into consideration, He stated that East River Road had everything that indicated the speed should go down� except that people insisted on driving fast on that road. Mr. Paripovich said that because of the situation there were two groups; one sai.d they had to move traffic through town, and the other group said they lived there and the County's plans would be destroying their neighborhood. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously to receive the East River Road Project Coirmiittee report. MOTION by Langen£eld� seconded by Schnab��� that the Planning Coimnission receive both plans from the Moka County and the East River Road Project Committee. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission recon¢nend to Council that a moratorium be set on ST ?5-3. 17'ie motion died for lack o£ a second. Mr. Langenfeld stated he would like to indicate for the record that he appreciated all the information they had received as the result of the East River Road problem. He said they had heard Stafi�s comments and Anoka County�s comments� and he wanted to emphasize the fact tha� they had established .� Planning Conanission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 22 5U these committees to get citizen input. He stated that the East River Road Project Committee was established in accordance with the Go�nission's ordinance and had done a fine job� and he wanted to underscore the fact that what they had before them as far as the report was concerned was the citizens� concern, Chairperson Harris said::that with regard to Plywood Minnesota, trying to solve a traffic problem with a billboard wasn't his idea of good engineering, Mr. Sobies:h said that the Caunty was in favor of closing one section o££, but the merchants were opposed. Mr, Ruud stated they could close the Northern access off if they got some encouragement £rom the City of Fridley to back them in that. Mr, Boardman added that until the time the City Council decided they wanted to close that North entrance� he didn�t think the County could do anything. Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 12:06 P.M.� and reconvened the meeting at 12:30 P.M. Chairperson Harris noted that there were three items they should address themselves to under �/11 on the agenda� receiving the Fridley �tvironmental Quality Con¢nission minutes of Sept. 21, 1976: from Plannin� Coimnission to t r•�, Mr. Harris pointed out that this item had been handled by Mr. Langenfeld±s motion proposing the moratoriwn, which died for lack of a second. c. Recoirmiendation on the East River Road Project Committee Report MOTION by Shea� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Co7rmiission send items b and c to the Community Development Co�mnission, Human Resources Coir¢nission and Parks and Recreation Commission for their cormnents. Upon a voice vote, all voting a}re� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson said that at the last Planni.ng Commission meeting he a�tended there had been a lengthy discussion concerning procedure o£ Project Committees and whether the East River Road Project Committee was operating as a Project Coimnittee or a citizen's committee� whether it was operating withi.n the frame- work set up by the ordinance and if it was receivi.ng direction from the Biviionmental Quality Commission. He added that as a Chairman of a Commission he was a little concerned as to how this was being handled and if they were operating within the framework they were supposed to be. Mr. Langenfeld replied that it was his impression at the time that particular conversation took place� there was concern that perhaps this Project Coirmiittee Planning Coimnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 23 5V vas going to sky rocket in all di£ferent directions and there would be a group of irate citizens up in arms. He said that he attended several of the meetings and found they were very controlled and could find no way the Committee was operating out of the scope oY the City plans. Mr. Peterson said that the coirment had been made thati�he East River Road Project Committee was going to be checking on ilu�ding available and this type of thing, and he was not sure that £ell i.iithin the scope of a Project Committee�s jurisdiction or i£ this was the proper direction £or them to go. Mr. Langenfeld cormnented that he thought they should seek all the in£ormation they could get relating to this particular project. Mr. Peterson asked i£ they were speaking for the Planning Commission or the F�vironmental Quality Commission� and Mr. Paripovich said he would like to answer that. He invited all the Commission members to attend the meetings, and said he would be glad to answer any questions they had. Mr. Paripovich said that for this project they had had to gather information and really research it, and to do thai it was necessary to go to County Government, etc. He said that in talking to the funding people� he would only be asking them for criteria, and wouldn�t be masquerading as part of the Fridley Staff or anything else. He stated that in addressing these people had had only said he was part of the Fridley IItvironmental Quality Commission xorking on a subcommittee project to gather information for this. He said he never pretended to be anybody who represented the City Council or the Planning Commission� and had taken great pains not to do that. Mr. Ber�nan asked if the membership of the Project Cotmnittee was.made up entirely o£ people living along East River Road. Mr. Paripovich replied that they had thrown the coimnittee open to everybody by putting a notice in the Fridley Sun, and had incited everybody to join the group. He said that the members live in the neighborhoods on either side of East River Road, and almost everybody lived West ef the railroad tracks. Mr. Bergman said he was wondering if this was true City of Fridley type input or neighborhood input �,rith particular and home-based interests on that street. Mr. Paripovich replied that of course there was de£inite interest there� but they had tried to present all the £acts. Mr. Peterson asked if the East River Road Project Committee was actually appointed and approved by the full Environmental Quality Commission� and Mr. Paripoaich replied that the membership had never been approved� but it could be. Mr. Peterson expi�%ned that in Parks and Recreation they had gone through a neighborhood recreation project committee type thing� and they were lead to believe by i.nterpretation of the ordinance that the members xere to be approved by the Co:mnission before it started. Mr. Boardman explained that membership approval jras entirely up to the Commission itself and it could, if they chmse to� control or approve membership. Mr. Langenfeld sai.d that xhen Mr. Paripovich took the Chairmanship of the Project Committee he was in sole charge o£ the committee. As far as he was concerned, he said, there aas no rule or established w$y that project connnittees were going to function. He stated that he didn't think there was a set procedure, and just because one Comnission handled it one way did not mean that all Commission had to follow that. . RECEIVE CAMM[iNITY DEVEIAPMEI3T CO2�IISSION MI2NTES: SEPTEMBER llt, 1976 Planning Coimnission Meeting - October b, 197b Page 27� 5W MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission receive the Co7mmznity Development Commission minutes of September 1lt, 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, Mr. Bergman commented that Co�nunity Development had two Project Ca�mnittees; the Sign Committee was nearing wrap-up� and they would be reviewing the Bikeway/ Walkway activity program at the next meeting. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: SEPTII+IBER 28, 1976 MOTION by Schnabel� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Corr¢ni.ssion receive the Appeals Commission minutes of September 28� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman noted that there had been some conilision regarding Mr. Paschke's requests� and said he would have to give the Appeals Commission the standards they used regarding this type of variance which were approved by the Zoning Administrator. Chairperson Harris said the thing that bothered him was that 1�0% always seemed to be the governing factor; and those lots in the Onaway Addition, because o£ the peculiarity of the situation� could not always hold l�0�. Mr. Boardman added that it was the petitioner�s right to have 1�0� coverage only i£ he could follow all the codes and regulations. CONTIN[JID: REVIEW OF PROPOSID MAINTENANCE CODE MOTION by Peterson, secanded by Shea, to continue the review of the proposed maintenance code until the next Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unani.mously. CONTINIIID; DISCUSSION ON GARAGE REQU�MENTS FOR SItIGLE FAMII,Y AOMES MOTION by Shea, seconded by Peterson, toc:continue the discussion on garage requirements £or single family homes until the next Planning Commission meeting. Upon a wice vote� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. CONTINUID: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, to continue the Human Development Goals and Objectives until the next Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MATERIAL ON THE YOUTH CENTER MOTION by Langen£eld, seconded by Bergman� that the Planning Commission receive the Articles of Incorporation of the Fridley Youth Center. Upon � Planning Comnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 P�e 25 5 X a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commi.ssion send the 9rticles of Incorporation of the Fridley Youth Center to all member Coaunissions for their review and comment. Upon a voice wte� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Aarris commented that they Kere not getting much support £rom the school districts on this. He said it seemed like the School Board xas amiable,to the proposal� but school staff vas not enthralled with it. RECEIVE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSZON MINUTFS: SEPTF27BER 27, 1976 MOTION by Peterson� seconded try Schnabel, that the Planning Commission receive the Parks and Recreation Commission minutes of September 27, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURAIMENT • MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson� that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Comraission meeting of October 6� 1976 adjourned at 1:06 A.M. by unanimous vote. Respectfully submitted� � y m� \']!J on�f�l ( % /Y7�rMD ��— Sherri 0'Donnell Recording Secretary i �. � FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COi�SSION SEPTEMBER.21, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: James Langenfeld, Lee Ann Sporre, Mike Paripovich, Brother Thomas Sullivan MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Peterson OTHERS PRESENT: Jerry Boardman, City Planner Tom Colbert, Assistant City Engineer CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:38 p.m. APPRQVAL OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 17, 1976, FRIDLEY ENVZRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING: Nlr, Paripovich stated that two corrections should be made to the August 17, 1976, Fridley Environmental Commission meeting minutes. On page 3, paragraph 5, the last sentence should read, "Mr. Paripovich stated he had contacted Mr. Boardman, who feels the same as the county engineers, that East River Road is a terrible place for a bikeway, but does not agree with Mr. Paripovich's feelings on the subject." On page 4, paragraph 5, Mr. Paripovich wanted to clarify that the city and county have cooperated with the East River Road Project Co�ittee at every turn on the speed limit thing. MOTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to approve Che minutes as corrected of the August 17, 1976, Fridley Environmental Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. REPORT FROM THE EAST RIVER ROAD PROJECT CO2�f7TTEE: Mr. Langenfeld stated that he had attended the last East River Road Project Couunittee meeting. He said it was a very interesting and controlled meeting and that the committee is definitely going to come up with some nice comments. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to receive the "East River Road Project Committee Preliminary Recommendation to the Fridley Environmental Co�ission" dated September 21, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ' �� PRIDLEY ENVIRO��NTAL COrfMISSION MEETING SEYTEMBER 21 1976 Page 2 Mr. Paripovich read this report to the Coimnission members. He stated that he would like to see this report go to the Planning Commission as the Plannin6 Commission wants to know what the East River Road Project Covmittee has done and what they are doing, and to give the City Council something to guide them when they work with [he County. Ms. Sporre stated that on page 3 of the."Preliminary Reca:miendation", the second � sentence reads, "The road is an eyesore that btights Fridley and Anoka County." She said she wouldn't want the Comnission to approve the report �aith that statement. She stated that on page 8, Item 7, it reads, "With 30 mph traffic moving in one ' lane in each direction and with left turn channelization, bikeways could be safely and inexpensively constructed along the road Erom Geargetown to the northern border, a tremendous asset for the metropolitan area." She didn't like the term, "northern border" as she feels there is good reason for them not to get hung up on where Fridley ends. Mr. Boardman stated that the Commission might want to recommend that the Planning '' Commission send this report on to the City Council without recommendation maybe at this time so the Council would at least have the information available in case some decision has to be made sometime soon; or, the Commission could ask the Planning Commission for recommendation. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre that the Fridley Environmental Commis=ion approve the "East,^.iver Road Project Committee Preliminary Recommendation to Fridley Env�ron- mental Commission" dated September 21, 1976, with the following deletions: Page 3, delete the second sentence, "The road is an eyesore that bl.ights Fridley and Anoka County." Page 8, Item 7, delete "from Georgetocan to the northern border." The Fridley Environmental Commission recommends designation by the Fridle} Parks & Recraation Commission for East River Road as a parkway and establish controls by ordinance as the first segment of the Fridley Parkway System for its social and environmental significance. The Fridley Enviroumental Covm�ission hereby refers this plan to the Planning Commission for its approval. Brother Thomas Sullivzn seconded this motion for discussion. A question on the designation of East River Road as a parkway was brought up and discussed by the members of the Commission. Brother Sullivan recor.�mended that Mrs. Sporre amend the motion to eliminate the parkway from the original motion and propose it as a separate motion. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, secended by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to amend the above ' motion to read that the I'ridley Environmental Commission approves the "East River Road Project Committee Preliminary Recoa�endation to Fridley Environmental Commission" dated September 21, 1976, with the following deletions: Page 3, delete the second sentence, "The road is an eyesore that blights Fridley and � Anoka County," Page 8, Item 7, delete "from Georgetown to the northern border." The Fridley Environmental Commission refers this to the Planning Commission for its approval. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting a e the motion carried unanimouslv. Mr. Colbert stated that a specific question he was at the meeting to address is the connection between the recently construcCed Georgetown improvement to the Mississippi intersection improvement, which is known as ST 75-3. The Council and � the County needs a quick reaction irom the Commission regarding that improvement as such. 1 _ � ' � � � City of Fridley AGENDA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1976 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROYE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 22, 1976 1. CONTINUED: PllBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED . �� ' f1Y EVERT SW NSON: Being a replat of Lot 19, except the East 90 feet thereof, and except the West 17 feet taken for highway purposes, and the West 147.74 feet of Lot 18, all in � Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the developroent of a 36 unit townhouse site, the same being located at the intersection of Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E. C� � ' , Public Hearing closed. 7:30 P.M. PA6E5 1 - 22 23 - 28 2. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEARING: REZONIN6 REQUEST, ZOA �i76-05; 29 - 35 BY WYMAN SltITH: Rezone the Easterly 200 fee� of Lot 13, except the Northerly 30 feet thereof; also the Easterly 50 feet thereof, Auditor's Subdivision No 89, from R-3 (general multiple family dwellings, to C-1 (local business areas), or C-2, (general business:areas), to allow the construction of a speculative building to be used for offices and assemblies, generally located on the South side of Norton Avenue N.E. where it intersects with Central Avenue N.E. 3. Public Hearing closed. RATION OF A r�n�� r„>, rrio-va� 11\IYJOI�V1.f� irvntn n�r�n1 �nanu nvui�iviv� , BY DARREL . FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: Being a replat of Lots 1 to 4 inclusive, Blocks 21 through 26, and also part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third ' Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. 1 4. � , � Public Hearing open, tabled August 18, 1976 N6: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT. P.S I�HKK UtVtLUNf9tIVl I;UKt'UKHIlUfV: t3E'ltl(J a replat ot the tastern boundary of Innsbruck Villages Addition, described as follows: That part of Outlot A, Inns6ruck horth, lying West of a line drawn fr•om the most Northerly corner of Outlot C, Innsbruck Villages, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot iI�4, 50 - 55 �� � � � � , � � ' � � � � • . � . � � � � � , Planning Cortanission Agenda for Wednesday, October 6, 1976 at 7:30 P.M. Page 2 PAGES A, Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating, the purpose of the plat to allow for a more feasible distribu- tion of the same number of units in the development, generaliy located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E. and West of the Black Forest Apartment. 5. PUBLIC HEP,RING: CONSIDEP.ATION OF A PROPOSED PLAT, P.S. 56 - 61 #76-07, ROTTLUND OAKS, BY THE ROTTLUND COMPANY: Being a replat of Lots 6, 7, 8, 9, 10; 14, 15, 16 and 17, Block 1, Spring Brook Park Second Addition, together with Lots 32 and 33, and teh West 30 feet of Lots 34 and 35, Block 10, Spring Brook Park Addition, zoned P.D. (Planned Development), generally located bet�aeen Ruth Street N.E, and East River Road N.E., North of Liberty Street N.E. 6. Tabled at September 8, 1976 Planning Commission meeting. 7. PUBLIC HEARIN6: CONSIDERATiUN OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. 76-09, DELE ER AD�ITI�PI, BY OONALD M. LEIER: Being a replat of Lot 38, Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the developnient of 3 R-1 lots (single family dwelling area) and 4 R-3 lots, (general multip?e family units), generally locatd in .the 1500 Block between 73rd Avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E. 62 - 67 Synopsis of material used to rezune to PD sent separately later. 68 - 73 8. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. #76-08, BY MR. & MRS. KENNETH GASVtK: �� _ The purpose of tfie lot split request was to split off 55 feet of front footage of Lot 8, Block l, Holiday Hills Second Addition, and make �t a part of Lot 5, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, but the request now includes other properties listed on their deed that has never gone through the lot split procedure by the City. The complete request is as follows: That part of Lot S, Block 1, Holiday Hills second Addition, described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of Lot 8, Block 1, Holiday Hills Second Addition, said point being located 97 feet Southwesterly of the Northeast corner of said Lot 8, thence Southeaet�rly along the East line of said Lot 8, a distance of 99.65 feet to the Most Southerly point of said Lot 8, thence Northwesterly along the West line, a distance of 75 feet, thence Northeasterly to the point of beginning, AND, that part of lot 8, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of said Lot 8, that point being 15 feet Northeast of the most Southerly corner of said Lot 8; thence Northwesterly along the Southerly tine of said Lot 8, a dista�ce of l37 feet to a point on the Westerly line of said Lot 8, thence Southeasterly to a point of beginning, all to be part of Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, the same 501 Rice Creek Blvd 79 N,E. �'�i .,, Planning Commission'Agenda for Wednesday, October 6, 1976 at 7:30 P.M. Page 3 PAGES 9. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L,S. #76-09, BY BENEDICT NOVAK: g0 - 83 Split off the Southerty 102 feet of Lot 34, Auditor's Subdivision No, 77, subject to 9 foot road easement 71 1/2 Way N.E „ Co create a nev� building site, fhe same being 145 71 1/2 Way NeE. (The address of Mr. Novak's residence will have to be changed when a building permit is taken out for construction on the new building site, 10. RECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINl1TES: 11. RECEIVE FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL OUALITY a. RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COt4MISSION TO COUNCIL TNAT A MORATQRIUM BE SET ON ST 75-3. b. RECOMMENDA7ION OF dESIGNATION BY THE FRIDIEY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION FOR THE EAST RIVER ROAD AS A PARKWAY AND ESTABLISH COPlTROLS BY ORDTNANCE AS TME FRIDlEY PARKWAY SYSTEM FOR ITS SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMEN7AL SIGNIFICANCE c. RECOMME^;DRTION ON THE EAST RIVER ROAD AROJECT COMMITTEE REPORT 12: RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MTNUTES: SEPTEMBER 28, 1976 � T3. CONTINtlEO: REVIEW OF PROPOSED MAINTENANCE CODE , 14. CONTINUED: fIISCUS5I0N ON GARAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR SI 15, CONTINUED: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT 60ALS AND OB�ECTIVES 16. MATERIAI ON THE YOUTH CENTER 17. RECEIVf PARKS & REGREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: SE TEh16ER 27, 1976 ADJOURNMENT: E�� 89 - 103 104 - 120 Separate 121 - 127 129 - 7"s3 At Meeting 134 = ;140 , � , y . , , , , , , � �'�,�' CITY OF I'HIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSTON MEETING SEPTEMBER 22, 1976 CALL TO ORDER; Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:37 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Schnabel, Shea Members Absent: Peterson Others Present: Ray Leek, Planning Aide APPROVE PLANNING COPIMISSION MINUTES: SEPTEP�IBr,'"R 8 1976 PAGE 1 I Mrs. Schnabel siated she would like to af£irm on page 21t� item 13� the date set for the joint meeting witn the City Council on l�D� lots. She said she was sorry she hadn�t been able to set up the meeting earlier, and November 22nd ' would be fine witn her. She added she appreciated it bezng set up and uoulc get in touch with the appropriate people. 1 PfOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Cormnission minutes of September 8� 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, Il. CONTINUID: �WANJUN: Hezone Lot ly� except the �;ast ly0 feet thereofa and except tl:e , • West 17 Yeet taken for highway purposes, from C-1 (general office and limited businesses)� and the West 1!�'],71� feet o£ Lot 18, £rom R-1 (single Yamily dwelling areas}, aIl in Auditor's Sub-division No 129� io R-3 , (general multiple £amily dwellings), to allow a condominium-type develop- ment, the same being located at the intersection o£ Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E. ' ' Public Hearing closed. Mr. E�ert R. Swanson� property owner� and Mr, A. R. Olson, architect, were present. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission reopen , the Public Hearing on a rezoning request, ZOA #76-03, by Evert H. Swanson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared tt�e Public Hearing open at 7:1�3 P.M. 1 � Mr. Leek stated there was no flzrther input from Staf£ other than what uas discussed ° at the 3ast meeting. Chairperspn Harris asked if the Fire Marshal had looked at the plans, and Mr, Leek replied he had and there was no problem with it. Planning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b � Page 2 + � Mr. Swanson stated he now had some elevations to show� and invited the interested parties to view them� which they did, Mr. Bergman asked if Mr. Swanson would be in agreement with the stipulation that if this vas approved, these townhouses would be owner-occupied. Mr. Swanson answered he would be. Mrs. Shea asked i£ anything had been done to move those condominiums back, as one had been only 20' from the residential property line. Mr. Olson stated the plan he had before him shov�ed a 26� setback and a 30' setback� and pointed out on the plans where those setbacks were. Mr. James Hinrichs, 7355 Hayes St, N.E., asked what the term "condominium" meant, and if it was any different than a townhouse, and i£ one was r�ore desirable than the other. Mr, Swanson said that although the notice did read this was a condominium-type development, which was owner-occupied apartments� this project was actually a townhouse development. He said the occupanLs would own the land that their particular part of ihe building was on� and would have their own yards and patios. Mr. Leek commented that there was no definition for ihe term "condominium" as such in the City Code, but it did define toVmhouses and the development in question fit that definition. Mr. Hinrichs stated they were trying to keep the value of the neighborhood up, and he wouldn't object to a townhouse development. Mr. Larry McCabe, 732� Hayes St., N.E., stated that he had two petitions to present. He explained that one was in disagreement with the rezoning and Has signed':ry two neighbors, the other was in favor of the rezoning with stipulations and had 18 signatures. Chairperson Harris read the first petition, which stated; We the undersigned group, heretofore to be lmown as "neighbors"� hereby agree to the rezoning of the property Smown as Lot 19, except the .;ast 190 feet thereof� and except the West 17 £eet taken for highway purposes, from C-1 (general office and limited businesses) and the West 11t7.74 feet oP Lot 18 from R-1 (single family dwelling areas), all in Auditor's Subdivi.sion No. 129� to R-3� subject ta the following stipulations concerning the construction, occupation, 2nd maintenance of said property: 1, l3o structure shall be constructed any closer than currently indicated on the plans dated 9/B/76 and retained by the "neighbors", 2. All structures exceeding 1(one) story in height, shall be con- structed at a minimum distance of 35 feet from the bordering property line of the nearest "neighbor". 3, The "neighbors�' shall not be burdened with any assessments, levies, or taxes of any kind, now planned� or planned in the tliture, as a result of the construction, occupation, or maintenance of the above described property, as the result of goo.d or poor planning on the part of the developer or the City of Fridley, Por a period of up to �(£ive) years following the completion of said construction. The costs of all assessments� levies� or taxes shall be borne by the developer� and/or the City of Fridley for this period. Also� if any assessments are now planned� the '�neighbors" would like to be informed of them at this time (9/22/76). , , � � , � , i� i � � _ � , i � ' � � , � � � � , � , , , 1 Planning Commission Meeting - Septemiaer 22� 1976 Page 3 Chairperson Aarris noted that petition had 18 signatures. He then read the following petition: We the vndersigned group� hereto£ore to be irnown as "neighbors", herelrj disagree to the rezoning of the property knoVm as Lot 19, except the East 190 feet thereof� and except the :,lest 17 feet taken for highway purposes� from C-1 (general oYfice and limited businesses), and the West 1lt7.7� feet of Lot 18 from R-1 (single farv.ly dwelling areas} all in Auditor$ Subdivision No 129, to R-3. Mr. Harris noted that patition had two signatures. MOTION by Schnabel� the i.wo petitions. unanimously. seconded by Bergmana that the Planning Comrr.ission receive IIpon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried Chairperson Harris asked Mr, Swanson iS he had any concerns about the stipulations, and he answered that the only one would be the second stipulat�on requiring a two-story structure to be a minimum distance of 35 feet from the bordering property line of the nearest neighbor. P:r. Olson asked if it was the intent of ihe neighbors to questien the 26' setback which he indicated on the nlans, Dir. McCabe stated that at the time the petition was put together 35' vras arlitrary� and the general feeling at that tirr.e was since t�ey did not haae any idea of the exterior of the buildings they did not want just a Iarge straight wall any c2oser t�an 3s� to their property lines. Ae explained they had asked a xeek ago for an idea of the exterior o: total height of the toVmhouses, but hadn't gotten an5 help at that time, hir. Olson stated that the total comnlex, including floor plans with details and elevations had been drav.n up according to the City's requirements £or setbacks. He added that the measurements on tne plans were actually a little in excess of the minirmtms which r:ere required. Mr. S�ranson asked if the neighbors would have the same compla9nt if it zaas a two-story single-family dwelling that was beSng constructed. Tfr, t•IcCabe said they intended to b*ing this in as a matter oF arbitration, althougn 35' t•ras in agreement among the neighbors, Air. Hinrichs commented they just didn't want an .IDS Tower next to their back doors. Rir. Swanson stated he understood that� and the buildings wouldn't be any higher than any other two-siory derelling crould be. Mr. Hinrichs pointed out that there presently weren�t any txo-story dwellings in their area. Mr. Olson stated he wanted to point out that the entire project would be meticu- lously landscaped, and it was possible io bring a tall building down in heignt by the planting oF tress and so forth. He added they should also bear in mind that this wouldn't be a straight wall going up as there would be areas on the second Floor that would come out two to four feet, there would be windows that would project out, and so forth, Dfr. Hinrichs stated thaL the building on the Southeast corner did not follow their stipulations, and asked that the archiiect reconsider and move the building over five feet and in nine £eet. Mrs. Schnabel noted that Mr. Olson had mentioned there would be extrusions of two to four feet on the second floor elevation� and asked if those e�ctrusions would extend over the 26 i'oot setback. hfr. Olson replied they would not, and said the ground line of the building might possibly have more than a 26' setback. P2anning Cormnission Meeting - September 22, 1976 pa�e �� Chairperson Harris stated it would be a good idea to number the documents, and identified the petition in £avor of the rezoning with stipulations as F�chibzi A, the petition in opposition as Ekhibit B, the color-coded layout plan as Exhibit C� and the floor plans as Exhibit D, Mr. Langenfeld stated he would like to point out that when a husband and wife signed a petition, it taas counted as one signature and not two� and Chairperson Harris said that was correct, Mr, McCabe explained they ro�ere just aiming for a representative as a property owner, whether it was one or both. Mr. Hinrichs stated that in their petition, they agreed to the plan dated 918/7b with stipulations� and noted that there was a discrepancy between ihose plans and the plans Mr. Swanson had with him. Mr. SV7anson commented that the plans had been revised, and the one dated 9/8/76 was obsolete. N�r, Hinrichs said he would like the petition to be changed to read "the plans as shown in exhibit G"� and Chairperson Harris said it would be so noted, Chairperson Harris said he wished to speak to stipulation #3, and commented that he hoped it r�ould be good planning, He said that concerning a guarantee that there would be no assessments or levies against that property, he wasn't quite sure whai the neighbors were driving at. P7r. %1cCabe explained they were talking about assessments or levies that would be a direct result of that project. Mr. Langenfeld said he also felt they meant if there were major street i.mprovements within that area as a result of this construction, the neighbors did not wished to l�e assessed because of that. Mr. NcCabe said that was correct. Chairperson Harris asked if there was any proposed construction or assessments for this area� and Mr. I,eek replied not to his ]mo�rledge. Mr. Harris asked if the storm sewers were in� and Mr, Swanson said he believed they were. Mr. Harris asked if there were storm sewer assessments now� and was told that there were on Hayes. Mr, ticCabe stated that they felt that the assessments that were in now were paid for by the neighbors� and if new ones arose they didn't want to split the difference with the new people and let them get a free ride. Mr. Langenfeld commented that one of the functions of the Planning Commission was not to become an assessor, but the possibility could exist where this might be benei'icial to the tax situation and be a reverse situation. Chairperson Harris stated the reason he brought this point up was because the Planning Commission could not make any agreements or commitments for the City; that was up to the City Council. He added that From his past experiences with the Council, he thought it would be difficult to get the City to agree to that last stipulation, Pir. McCabe stated that the word "City" could be eliminated from the petition. Mr. Harris said that would have to be an agreement betiaeen Mr; Swanson and the City� if he would consider making such an agreement. Dtr. Swanson commented that to his knowledge there were no assessments against tnis property at the present time. Mr. Harris explained the neighbors didnTt want additional expenses because o£ the development for street improvements or modifioations in the street to facilitate traffic or excess drainage of storm waters� and things like that. � , , � , , � , � ' � ' ' ' � � ' � ' Planning Gommission Meeting - September 22� 1976 Page b . Mr. Bergman asked what the code requirement was for setback of a townhouse structure £rom R-1 property, and Mr. Leek said it was 15' with appropriate screening, Mr. Olson pointed out that they were 26� from the property line on the East side and 30' on the other side, so they were in excess of the code by quite a bit. Chairperson iiarris asked Mr. Swanson ii' he would be agreeable to moving that building from 30' to 35' from the R-1, and Mr. Swanson said that should be discussed with the architect. Mr. Olson said that would decrease the distance tietween buildings i� and 5 by 1��� and there would also be £our feet less green area. Mr. Olson asked if it was the Pltuaning Commission's suggestion that the architect restudy buildings 5 and 6 according to 3$' instead of what the present codes required. Mr. Harris said he couldn't speak for the whole Commission, but in his own opinion he thought it vrould enhar.ce the groperty if they had a little more space on those par.ticular sides. He said there would then be 31' between the buildings, and it would mean shifting 5 and 6 to the North. Mrs. Schnabel asked what that would do to building �6 on the West property line� and Mr. Olson stated that would be reduced by roughly 9'. Mr. Olson eaid he would like to point out that across Central Avenue to the West was some unenvironmental property, and i£ he lived in the neighborhood he would welcome the proposed development on the suggested site rather than thinking what could be developed on the site in lieu of the toUmhouses, t•ir. Swanson stated that if it went commercial the neighbors would have the back yards a£ stores facing them, with those large garbage containers and a lot o£ debris. Persona2ly, he said, he couldn't see why anyone would object to it. Mr. John Young� 73�t3 Hayes Streei N.u., stated that he didn't think they were against the development. He sai.d they were agreeable to it in their petition� but wanted to make sure it was a good development and aesthetically pleasing. Mr. Swanson said that question had come up before and he had done all he could to assure the neighbars on that point. Mr. Olson pointed out that once the plans were accepted� that is what had to be developed. He said that these plans also carried an architectural stamp with a state registration nurnber, so the architect would not be willing to jeopardize his own profession and would see that the plans were carried out as proposed. Mx. McCabe said he was basically reassured about stipulations one and two, but would like a little further reaction from Mr. Swanson on the assessment end of it. He added that he couldn't see any benefit to the neighbors from any assessment that had anything to dn with the development. Chairperson Harris said he was wondering if there was an area assessment ior storm sewers� and that got to be a rather technical question as to whether it benefits the total area or what area it benefits. He said that was why storm sewers were taken on a general area assessment. He added that if the storm sewers were in� and the streets� sewers and water were in, he couldn't see any £uture improvements. Mr, Swanson said that he didn't ]mow if one person could 6e individually taxed and not the comn�unity. He added that no matter what wenL in on that property, the same thing would apply� whether it was cormnercial or residential. Mr, McCabe asked if Mr. Swanson would or would not be willing to pick up the tab for any future developments that were related to the project� and Mr. S�ranson replied by asking how an individual could commit himself to paying for improve- ments that would benefit the whole area. He added he didn't foresee any coming up. Mr, Hi.nrichs said that Mr. Swanson couldn't foresee any, but asked what Kould happen if the sewers weren�t big enough to handle all the water £rom these units. .�..�. . � � � � � � � ' � � � � ' , L� , �' A Planning Commission Meeting - September 22� 1976 Page 7 , � � � Mr. Swanson said that ii the area was commercial they might have the same problem. Chairperson Harris suggestsd clearing up the matter of what could be constructed in a commerciaZ district� and Mr. Leek read the permitted uses for C-1 districts. Mr. Langenfeld asked if Siaf£ had prepared an administrative report on this, and Mr. Leek replied they had not. Mr. Langen£eld asked if they had found any problem with drainage, and Mr. Leek said no such situation had been mentioned ta him, Chairperson Harris said he had talked to Mr, Boardman earlier in t:�e evening and asked ii the administrative departments had looked at this, and 14r. Boardman said t2ey had. Mr. Aarris said he had asked iP there t•rere any coimnents or documentation, and apparently there rrasn't any. ' Mr. Piichael Virnig� 1365 73rd Avenue N.E., asked how far back the screening would be ofF the property line. Pir. Leek said Lhe code didn't stipulate that, but jusi stated 15� with the landscaping located on the R-3 property. Air. � Virnig said that he had a fence on his property at the present tirte, and was wondering if there would be toro £ences just 6�� apart rrith no maintenance in between, He said he taas also wondering how far the fence would extend� because ' i£ it extended too far he would have a probleri going in and out of his driveway. Air. Harris said the fence could not extend 7' in height all the way to the street. Mr. Leek read Yrom the City Code which staied nothi.ng would be allowed � to impede vision, and Mr. Langenfeld commented that Staff rrould make certain that the fence Vrould not be a visual barrier. Chairperson iIarris said that with regard to the txo fences togetherJ he hoped that the two adjoining neighbors could work that out. Mr. Virnig asked if there could be som� stipulation on completion of the yence after initiation of the project, and Mr. Swanson said that they would do the landscaping on each building after it �ras constructed. Tirs, Schnabel asked if he was talking about ihe landscaping surrounding ihe building itself� and Mr. Swanson said yes. Mrs. Schnabel asked about the landscaping of the exterior portion of the property running around the property line itselF. 1�fr. Swanson replied they would do all the landscaping for a particular building out to the lot line °or each building. Mrs, Schnabel sai.d that one of the neighbors was concerned because he was surrounded by buildings number 1 and 5, and asked if the landscaping would be done around building numoer 1 upon its completion� and finish the landscaping around building number 5 when it r7as compZeted. P7r. Sroranson said that was right� and adc3ed that up until that time his back yard would �ave the same view it had right now, t��r. Langenfeld cummented that particular pice of property would remain in its natural state until construction commenced. Mrs. Schnabel stated she was still quite concerned about stipulation number 2 in the petition agreeirg wiLh the rezoning. She said she didn't think they had ansxered that to the satisfaction of the petitioners or the builder or the architect, and she felt they were leaving something hanging in mid air if they didn't address themselves speci£ically to the problem of the 35� setback the petitioners were reouesting. hir. Olson said that ihe plans� lmown as exhi.bit C, met all setback requirements, and asked if it was now also part of the require- ments to meet stipulation number 2 of exhibit A, Mr. Young, speaking for the 1'lenning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b PB�e $ neighbors, said they felt if 3t was within the code they would strike stipulation number 2 from their petition and would go along with it as planned. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission c2ose the Riblic Aearing on the rezoning request, ZOA �76-0�� by Evert R, Swanson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 9s14 P.P4. MOTION by LangenFeld that the Plaru�ing Commission recommend to Covncil aparoval of rezoning request, ZDA j/76-03, by Evert R. Swanson: Rezone Lot 19, except the East 190 feet thereof, and except the Glest 17 feet tal;en for highv;ay purposes, from C-1 (general office 2nd limited businesses), and ihe 4dest 11t7.7Lt feet of I,ot 18, from R-1 (single fami.ly dVrelling areas), a11 in Auditor�s Subdivision No 129, to R-3 (general multiple family dwellings), to allow a condominium-type development, the sa^�e being 2ocated at the intersection of Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue Pi.E, with the £ollowing stipulations: 2) Every effort be made to maintain the setbacks as shovm in exhibit C� and 2) All the necessary studies be made on behalf of the assess-. ment procedure. Mrs. Schnabel said she thought that perhaps the stipulations were premature, She said this hearing was strictly on the rezoning request, and tnought consideration oP the stipulations might £all under consideration of the preliminary nlat or the townhouse development plans, Mr. Lang�nfeld oreed, hSr. Langenfeld APIENDED the MOTION to recommend approval of the rezoning request 20A j{%6-03 by Evert R. Swanson without the stipulations. Seconded by Bergman, t4rs. Schnabel said she thought it wouZd be wise to point out that the majority of the adjaoent neighbors did concur with the rezoning request as indicated by their petition. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. highway purposes� and the idest 1t�7.7i� feet of Lot 18, all in Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the development of a 36 unit townhouse site� the same being 2ocated at the intersection o£ Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E, Mr. Ebert R, Swanson, property owner, and Mr. A, R. Olson, architect� crere present. rI0TI0N by Schnabel, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a proposed preliminary plat, P.S, #7o-O8, Gentra7. Townhouse Addition, by Evert R. Swanson. Upon a voice vote� a11 voti.ng aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 9:20 P,ri. � i I , ' ' , ' i � ' ' !_J ' ' � , � � r....-..__ .... . _._ _ .. R 1' Chairperson Harris stated that this would entail a new legal description, and Mr. Swanson asked if that meant putting it into simpler language. Mr. Harris replied yes� they would just be cieaning up the legal description. �� � � Chairperson Harris asked Mr, Swanson iF he had a replat plan, and he replied he had no other documents other than what had already been discussed, Mr. Harris asked if he was replating, and Pir. Swanson replied not Lhat he }m ew oP. Mr. I.angenfeld pointed out the P2anning and 2oning Form on page 27 of ihe agenda, signed by P-Sr. Swanson, Mr, Harris noted he had also paid the fee. P4r. Harris said he was wondering why a replai was needed, and asked i£ somebody at St�ff level had requested a replat, Mr, Swanson said he aidn�t lmou, ;�;r, Leek said he had no other i.nFormation other than what was in the agenda, � Chairperson Harris said he thoughi they would be bringing the legal descri�tion into one lot because they had parcels of two different lots� znd tnz 1ega1 description was very unwieldy the caay it read now. MOTION by LangenYeld� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration of a proposed preliminary pla�, P,B, �76-08, Central Toamhouse Addition� by Evert $. Sxanson. Upon a voice vote� a;l voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing c?osed at 9;3� P,1�;. A�.'. Langen£eld said it U�as his opinion that since they were lackin� the specifics as Par as the replat description, they could not make a decision. Chair�erson Harris said he thought it would be proper at th=s time to reco.-cnenc� approv�7. of the preliminary plat, if that was the Corri-nission's crish, and refer to exhibit C, MOTION Ly Langenfeld� seconded by Shea� tha.t the Planning Comr:issicn recornr.end to Council aoproval of a proposed preliminary plat, P,S. ;/76-CO, Cer.tral Townhouse Addition, by Evert R. Sc�anson, as indicated in exhibit C: A;eo2at of Lot 19, except the East 190 ieet thereo£, and except the West 17 feei ��,en for highway purposes, and the tdest 1lt7.7� feet of Lot 18, a11 :n i�n3ito^'s Sub@ivision Ido 129� to a:�1ow the developrient of a 36 unit to��n^.ou�e site� tae same being located at the intersection of Central Avenue and 7jrd kvenue N.E. Mrs. Schnabel stated that she was a little upset that Staff had no :�mowledge oF what was going on at this point� and that the Chairman o£ ihe Cosnmission did not have any informaiion on this either. She said she fe2t StafP should hati�e informed the Chairman since the person �,��ho normally services the Co::anission couldn't be present. She added that she felt they were shootir.g in the dark� and didn�t really knotio for sure what was intended, She said sne could not vote in favor of the motion because o£ that. P1r, Leek said he appreciated i;rs. Schnabel�s concern, and said that part of the fault was he had Sailed to ask the appropriate qusstions during his brieiing. He stated his understanding was that the situation was understood, but apparently it wasn't, r+r. Harris commented that it hadn�t occurred to hiri to delve i.nto it flzrther. Mr. LangenFeld said he was certainly in agreement with AYrs, Schnabel, but since this would be a simpli£ication of a 1ega1 description he didn�t think it shou�d be something that sho�ld hold back anything they had slready sta:ted moving forward. birs. Scksnabel stated that was just an assumption as to orhat this was about; it appeared that nobody lmew £or sure what the request was really for. Plarsning Commission Meeting - September 22� 1976 Page 10 Chairperson Harris said he agreed with Mr. Langenfeld, and as long as the recommendation would be tied to exhibit C, he didn�t see where there was any problem because that located the buildings, the landscaping and everything on the property, Mrs. Schnabel said that was really relevant to item 3 on the agenda, and Mr. Harris stated that they could all be tied together. Mr. Bergman stated he thought there was more involved in the preliminary plat than what they were discussing. For example, he said� he would like some additional confirmation on utilities, any easement requirements and drainage groblems. He stated that-with that in mind he felt it vrould be proper to defer action on this item until they got a preliminary plat with those things checked out by administration. Mr. Langen£eld stated he wished they would have a Staff Report available r�hen they took on projects such as this. Mr. I,angenfeld WITHDREW THE A10TIOIQ. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission table the consideration of a proposed preliminary plat� P.S. �}76-08, Central Town- house Addition� by Evert R. Swanson� subject to receipt o£ a preliminary plat including StafF input with regard io drainage, utilities, attd also revieta of assessment-type items including streets, curbs, sewer, and water relative to 73rd 5t. Ugon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unaninously. Ch�irperson Harris stated that this item would be tabled until October 6+,h, and informed Mr. Swanson this action would probably noi delay him because the City Council would have to set a hearing for the rezoning. 3. TOWNHOUSE r e 36 Unit NOTE: See Appeals Commission minutes of September 1K, 1976, with the recommendation to Council through the Planning Commission of approval of the variance from 5 acres to 3 acres for this townhouse development, Mr. Evert R. Swanson, property owner, and Mr. A. R. Olson, architect, were . present. Chairperson Harris asked what size, initiaJly, the trees in the landscaping would be. Mr. Olson replied the landscaping would be a combination of berm, fence, and trees; the.us�.al type of planting. He stated the trees would be recommended by a nursery, the evergreens being about £our to six feet. Mr. Olson added that the other types of deciduous trees would vary in size according to species. Mrs. Shea noted there were trees on that property now� and asked if any effort would be made to try to save them. Mr. Olson replied that every effort would be made to try to maintain as many as possible. Chairperson Harris asked what the exterior finish on the buildings would be� and Mr. Olson replied they intended to use textured one-eleven, ti.*hich was a commercial wood sidi.ng. He added that the buildings would be stained, which would weather better than paint� and the roofs would be regular asphalt shingles. Mr. Swanson added there would possibly be some brick facing on the lower part of the buildings� and anything other than what was shown on the plans would just be an improvement in appearance. PlatmSng Commis�ion Meeting - SepLember 22, 197b Page 11 � _ Chairperson Harris asked in vhat:direction the garages were going io face� and Mr. Olson replied that wou2d vary according to what particular buildi.ng he was referencing. He showed the Commission on the plans the different ways , the garages were situated� tkiereby not having a long row of garage fronts on the streat. Mr. Bergman stated he would like to fmow what the $20,000 difference was between a$lt0,000 and $60,000 townhouse, and particu2arly if there were any plans to use dif£erent construction materials between L'nat range of price. He was Kondering if this was including or er.cluding fixtures and appliances, or if the difference had to do with the size of thc units� and so on. Mr. Olson said that a leeway of $20�OOd was established because they had no contractual estimates as to what it would cost to build a building, and with inflation prices for building costs were changi.ng tremendously, He said this was more or 2ess a figure to work with. Mr. Olson added that a$l�O,OQO house mi.gnt have no brick, one bedroom and one bath, whereas a$60,000 home might have brick, two bathrooms, three bedrooms� etc. Mr. Swanson added that the intention Vras not to cheapen any of the construction. Mrs, Schnabel asked if the guest parking would be in the center areas bei�reen the garage areas, and t•4r, Olson replied it would, and also aprons �rere provided in front of the garages for additional parking, Mrs. Schnabe2 noted that tttese were si.ngle car stalls, and asked where an occupant would park his second car if he had one. T�[r. Olson said he would have to park it in front of his first car's parking stall. Nlrs. Schnabel said her concern sternmed from the fact that if an owner h�d two cars and on� had to sit oat, and if they or sameone else had guests over, there could be a problem vrith congestion oi cars in that area. She added that the:e might be a safety hazard zs iar ae fire trucks and ambulances getting in and out. ASr, Olson said ihere would be a-nple room on the street where cars could also park, but he didn't imow i£ the Townhouse Association would allow parking there. Ghairperson Harris noted on page 3�t of the agenda ihe plans stated 3b singl.e garages, 108 single aprons, and a total of llt4 parking spaces. He asked ,•Sr. Olso» i£ they were proposing 144 parking spaces within the development, and rir. Olson stated that according to his plan that was correct. i•Irs. Scnnabel asked if he could identify Where those 108 aprons Vrere� and Mr. Olson said he would have to plead ignorance. Chairperson Harris stated that if this ±aas 'recommended to Council for approval, it would be in order to sLipulate that e more detailed parking and plat plan layout be provided than zahat they had noW as exhibit C. Mr. Bergman said he would like to pay some recognition and compliment to btr. Swanson and Nlr. Olson because they had put a lot of thought into the plans, and the plans represented good and proYessional e£forts in most cases. He added that they had obviously spent a great deal of time on them and had done a good job. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of T-�{76-03, Townhouse Development Plans, by Evert R. Swanson: 36 Unit Townhouse Development for Central Townhouse Addition, referencing exhibits C& D, and with the understanding that this is toanhouse construction intended £or ot�mer occupancy, with two stipulations: Planning Cormnission Meeti.ng - September 22y 1476 Page 12� .- � 1. That as the property is developed from building 1 through subsequent buildings� the landscaping, inoluding fencing� be completed as construction stages are completed. 2. That prior to Council vi.ew the park9ng proposal be clarified with regard to identiiying the total parking as indicated on e3chibit C. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. !t. PUBLTC HEARNG: REZONING RECtUEST: ZOA �'J6-OS, BY L7`±ifltN SMIT3: �ezone the Easterly 200 feet of Lot 13� except the Northerly 30 feet thereo.°; also the Easterly 50 feet thereof� Auditor�s Subdivision No, 89: fron R-3 (general multiple £amily dwellingsj, to C-1 (local business areas)� or C-2 (general business areas)� to allow the construct•ion of a speculative building to be used For offiaes and assemblies� generally located on the South side o£ Norton Avenue N.E. rorhere it intersects ;ai�h Central Avenue N.E. Mr. Leroy B. Smith� property owner, and Dir. 'o7yman Smith, attorney, were present. D70TION by Schnabel, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission open the Public Nearing on a rezoning request, ZOA #76-05, by 6dyman Smith. Upon a voice trote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at l0:05. Mr.�I,eek stated that there were a couple of concerns th � 5taf£ �ad regarding this, and was somewhat uncertain about how they feel it should go. ?ie said that Mr. Boardman and Mr. Clark felt that ideally the area in question should be industrial since it is surrounded by industrial (he referred the Cor�mission to the maps on pages !t0 and lt1 of their agendas}; homever, tnere were presently single-family dwellings in the area. Mr. Leek said the feeling had been expressed that if there was an ideal location for an apartment structure in the city, that would be it, He added that there was no one recom�nendation regardi.ng the property as far as Staff was concerned. Mr. Wyman Smith stated that Mr. Leroy Smith had owned this lot for more than £ifteen years, and the taxes and assessments were now $900 a year. He said that i.n spite of Staff's suggestion that this would be idea2 for apartments� the property has been for sale far an apartment site for 15 years and no one had put together a package where it could be developed for anartrients. He said ihat something had to be done with it, and Mr. Leroy Smith thought there was a need for some retail shops to serve the public that is in that area. Mr, Wyman Smith stated there was a very definite market in �'ridley for an assembly room that wedding parties could rent and public assemblies convene. He said the assembly room would be on the second floor, and that could also be modified into offices if there was a need, He stated that probably this would be an offic building, as Mr. Leroy Smith was talking about finding a place for accountants and that type of thing. He presented the Commission with a rough sketch of the floor plan of the building. • Mr. Langenfeld stated this request confused him a bit, iie said there was nothing wrong with a rezoning request from R-3 to C-1 OR C-2 (one or the other), but he�had nener seen a request like this before. Mr. Wyman Smith said this hgd �, °' come about because he had filled out the form C-1, had seen Darrel Clark, and Mr. Clark had suggested making C-1 or G2. He stated he thought C-2 gave them a little more selection� but they Would be satisfiec�"with G1. i•ir. Langenfeld � noted that a"specuZative" building was mentioned� and said that implied this building would go up and if it didn't work out something else would be tried, and so on. Mr. Vlyman 5mith said that the te:m speculative in the market meant that there rrasn't a buyer. He said it would be Sinanced and built, and then � a buyer would be found to own the building. Mr. Bergman referred to the map on page ltl of the agenda, and asked if all of the property in the white rectang2e was now undeveloped or unoccupied. r7r. Leek replied that portions of that property contained sing2e-family dVrelTings and an apartment building. Mr. Bergnan referred to page L0� and asked what the present use was of lots 9� 1�J, 13 and any other Iarge portions oF that property. Nir. Wyman Smith answered that lots 10 and 13 were vacant, and Iots 6� 7� 8� 9 and 12 were all single-fa�nily houses. He said there were a total of eleven residences on Norton, and south o£ that property was Medtronics. Mr. Ber�man asked what the zoning was in the area circled on the map on page 1�1� and Mr. Leek replied it was zoned R-3 and had been changed to that in 19b3. Mr. Wyman Smith stated that the zoning at one time was C-1� and that the residences on Nortan had been there a long time. Cindy Mabel, I27.1� Norton Avenue N.E., stated that everyone on the black felt it was a residential area. She said that two years ago it was all open, and now Medtronics had a parking 1ot right next to her yard. She said s?�e caas wondering where parking for the proposed bui?ding would be� and she assumed they had plans for both lots. Mrs, hlabel stated the proposed plans c.�ould certainly deteriorate the neighborhood� and added that the houses c,ere not old as her house had been built in 1961. Mr, Leroy Smith stated he �ast owned that one piece of properiy; the other property was in Iitigatian and ne nad nothing to do with that. He said that it would just be an ofiice buiiding of 5Q' X 110', consisting of two floors, azzd there Would be plenty of space on the lot to accommodaie the building and the parking. !3 Mr. Jerry Sympson, 117s Norton Avenue N.E., asked if Mr. Smith had sat down and figured ouL how many vehicles could be parked in this space. Chairperson Harris said he would like to clarify one thing; they could not use the rest o#' the lot for parking in total. He explained there t�ere certain green area and setback requirements that the City required, tlr. Ronald J. Risk, 7S� Ione� Spring Lake Park, asked what percentage of the Iot would be zllowed :or parking. Mr. Leek read the City Code which stated that off-street parking stalls shall be provided in the ratio of one stall £or each three seats provided in such an assembly hall. He explained that iS the hall would accommodate 300 people, that would neeessitate 100 parking stalls, and that didn't include oi'fice parking. ?4r. Bergman determined thaL 8 additional spaces woul@ be required £or the o£fice, or a toial of 108 parki.ng spaces would be necessary in total. � Chairperson Harris said that i£ they tried to have a meeting hall and an office together, it would be awfully tight; but if the building x�s used totally £or offices they might make it on parking. Mr. Risk asked i£ ihe street could be � utilized for parking since Old Central wasn't a very busy street in the evening, and Mr. Harris replied they did not encourage on-street parking. � � :� Planning Gommission Meeting - September 22� 147b Page 1� s Mr. Earl Dunbar, 12�5 Norton Avenue� asked where the access xould be. Chair- person Harris replied it could be on either one or both streets� probably bbth, but there was a minimum distance from the corner that the driveway could be. Mr. Leek stated that was 75' from the right-of-way. Mrs. JoAnn King, 1301 Norton Avenue N.E., stated she was opposed to this building because she thought it �rould be an invasion o£ her privacy. She explained she had just lost many trees to the Dutch Elm Disease which made her lot less private than it was, and she felt there would no� be enough parking places and she would have cars lined up in front of her house and she didn't want that. Mr. Dunbar said they were talking about an assembly hall where liquor would be consumed, and this meant 100 cars coming in and out of that lot with the people being in no shape to drive. He said he was worried those people would Find a street that was a dead-end street, and would run into problems turning their vehicles around� and so forth. He stated he didn't see where this would be of any betterment to the area, and he was totally opposed to any type oF assembly place. P4rs. Mabel stated that even if nothing was presently being done about the lot next to this one, since it would be zoned Commercial eventually another type of building taould go up and there wouldn't be parking Sor that, eitYier. She added she felt they were opening up a whole bag of problems. Mr. Wyman Smith stated there would not be any parking problemsr and the plan would be built within code. He explained when they ta7.ked about the number of 300 for assembly, this was because the code had set that as r�aximum. He continued that i£ the assembly hall worked out 2nd this became practical and feasible as a business venture� it would have to be measured down. He said if there was only room for 50 cars, then there would only be spaces £or 50. He added that the code had been very carefully dxawn to accommodate this sort oF thing, and these plans were flexible. He said that NIr. Leroy Smith was not asking to put up a McDonald's Drive-In� and he had to do something with the lot. Tfr. Wyman Smith said that it seemed to hirn that an ofPice building would be an improvement over almost anything they could have there, and he thought it was feasible and practical. Mr. Dunhar said that to cite an exa�nple, the Frontier Club had a parking lot, and yet any night of the week 25 to 100 cars could be found parked on Central Avenue and the side streets, and tearing up and down Central like it was a race track. He said that this would be the same type o£ assembly place with the same type of clientele, and asked how they could keep the cars off the streets. Mr, Wyman Smith stated he was £amiliar with the Frontier Club, and explained that was grandfathered in before the code was updated. He said the code was now changed, and this wasn't going to be a Frontier Club. He added that at the present time there was only one place to go in Fridley for a wedding party� and a community oP 3Q�000 deserved to have a community buil.ding that could be used for that purpose. He stated that AIr. Leroy Smith might change his mind, and if he could rent both floors for offices he would, Mr. Bergman said his observation 4ras that a l:ey hang up on the rezoning request Nas with the idea of the assembly hall and a concern as to the type of activity :�; ��; { .. .. . . .. �' ` Planning Commission Meeting - September 22� 1976 Page 15 that would go on there� and the traffic over-f1.ow and traffic problems. Mr. Bergman said that Mr, Smith was right in saying the code would restrict what he could build there within the constraints oS how much parking they could work out of the lot, which apparently hadn't been worked out yet at this point. He said that secondly, it would seem conceivable that there was some risk on Mr. Smith's part in that this zoning request couZd get approved and that when he worked out the amount oi' parY,ing spaces available rrith setbacks and green areas as required by code and city administration� he night £ind there weren�t enough parking spots to accommodate the building. i�:r. Berg;nan said he would then have to be restricted to that� so there was some risk involved in noL having this all put together at this point. He added t?�at it wou7.d seem the assembly hall which would need 100 parking spaoes tiias out of context with the size of the property. Mr. Louis C. Gray, 117Q Norton Avenue N.E., stated that he felt the traF£ic problem was the greatest ccmcern because it would vary, and he was also worried about drunken drivers in the area. Ruth J. Nqrton, 12s2 Norton Avenue N.E.� said she was against the assembly hall because the amount of cars going to a place like that couldn't be determined, She said they feli it would be a terrible thing to have in their residential area with al.l those people drinking and causing the residents problems they shouldn't have to put up yrith. Mr. Langen£eld asked under which categoz-y the assembly hall u:ot:ld fall, C-1 or G2. Mr. Leek replied it could be either� and the diFference depended on the capacity of the hal1. N.e explained ihat nnder 3�D would be ��-1 and over 300 would be C-2. Mr. Bergman saicl they were considering Central Avenue as one boundary street and a pri.marily residential street on the otner side of tne property as a bounc3ary� and this added some additional concern to the parking situation. He stated that the code requirement for the assembly hall which was one stall for each seating capacity of three was a code miniimun reauirement, and in a con@ition where parking was a parbicular problem Council could request something additionaZ to that. He explained he was referring back to the assembly hall and a capacity of 3��. He said the code might say a minimum number of aarking 'stallsof 100� but it was entirely conceivable that rrith a capacity of 300 there could be 300 cars� r;nd that would be taken into consideration. Mr. Risk stated that at the last four weddings he had attended, there were usually three people per car and many times two couples per car. He said that if some of the other halls were looked ai that had a capacity £or 300 people, that many cars wouldn't be found in the parking lot. He added that he didrt't see any conflict between the office parking ar.d the hall parkir.g because the office would be closed at ?�;30 or 5:00 and assemblies didn't start until 7:30 or 8:00. Mrs. King stated she thought the building would stick out like a sore thumb in that area because all the residences were one story structures with Iarge trees. 5he felt it should come down to a one-story building to fit in more sesbhetically with the neighborhood. HIr. Smith explained that it cras a split- entry building, so would actually be only a story and a half. � Planning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b Page 16 Mr. Langenfeld said he wished to point out to the Commission and the citizens thai he fully realized the situation the progerty owner had here because he was getting tired oi paying taxes on property he couldn't utilize; however, the whole intent on this rezoning was to build the office spaces and the assembly hall with hopes to sell the property and make a profit. After that, he said� the Lord only lrnew what this would turn into. He stated he was definitely against the assembly hall part of the proposal. Chairperson Harris asked P4r. Wyman Smith if he recalled what the circumstances were when this property was reaoned from C-1 to R-j. bir. Smith replied that went way back very early before riighway 65 was put throu�h and Old Central was the main thoroughfare, and that area was one o£ the business sections, He said he suspected it was zoned R-3 by the first major comprehensive zoning plan, Mr. Leek said he would have to disagree with that to the extent that it was rezoned to R-3 in 1963, rss. Harris asked Mr. Leroy Smith if at one time he had contemplated azt apartment structure on that propertyt and he replied yes. He said they had the plans all drawn £or both lots for i�2-units. P9r. �rlyman Smith said he thought someone who had an option to buy the land may have instigated the re2oning. Mrs. Schnabel said she felt they �rere kind of._grasping in the dark here. She stated she would feel much more comfortab2e in making a decision on this if they could see the actual architectural plans on this, Mrs. Schnabel stated she felt the petitioner himself was unclear in a number of areas, and she taould prefer that they continue this discussion at another time when the petitioner had actual plans which could be seen by the Cor�nission and the neighbors showing the number of parking stalls, o£fice spaces� etc. She said that at this point they were being asked to grant a blanket rezoning on something the petitioner himsel£ is not clear on what he wants to do. Mr. Leek said that in answer to the question regarding zoning, the ordinance which was passed in August, 1963, changed that area in question from R-1 to R-3. He then read to the Commission the code on setback requirements to adjacent districts. The rear yard could not be less than 25'� where a side yard atruts a street of a corner lot the side yard requirement was a minimum of 35', and the other side would be 15`. Chairperson Harris noted it would be very difficult to fit that building on the lot� and agreed with Mrs. Schnabel that he would also 13ke to see a plat p1an of the building. Mr. Wyman Smith asked why Staff hadn'i worked this out with them. He stated they paid $155 for this request and thought that Sta£f should communicate with them and work it out with them, h1rs. Schnabel asked if Staff had given them copies of the code pertinent to C-1 and C-2, and Mr. Wymen Smith said they were offered that information. He stated it was true they didn't know exactly what they wanted� but their aim was to try to use this lot, He said that if this possibility d3dn't make any sense, they would try something else. He explaa.ned that 17r. Leroy Smith wanted to have some knowledge if this could be rezoned before he hired an architect� as that usually involved a commitment of more than $1�000, and he wanted to avoid that until he found out if this proposal made any sense. He stated he thought they needed to work with Staff on this, and explained that he hadn't actually asked them for any help to this point. Mr. Langenfeld stated that he thought they could relate to item �Flt as a rezoning r , Planning Comm3ssion Meeting - September 22, 1976 Pa�e 17 '�' request, and not actua7.ly a construction approval, and could take it from there with stipulations. Mr. Bergman said that with parcels of land of substantial , size and of conLinuous zoning and without concerns for parki.ng capacities, he would agree with Mr. Langenfeld. However, he said, with a parcei of land this small and with the kind of proposed occupancy that had been mentioned, he 1 thought concerns were logical in regard to the kind of activi:y and tne par'cing question. He added that with concerns for those two items he personally . didn't feel in a position to feel posiLive about the rezoning at this point, Mr. Langenfeld noted that the fee was �155, which was a sizable amount of money. He said he agreed with Tirs. Schnabel in trying to obtain nore concrete ideas for the uses of this properiyJ rather than denying outright the request for rezoning. He said he also felt they were in the dark wit� regard to this item. " Mrs. Schnabel explained she was not necessarily asking the petitioner to go out and spend $I�000, but with the information that had come out at this meeti.ng and with review o£ the zoning ordinance with regard to putting th= building on this particular site, she thought the petiLioner nimself could possib2y cone up with a structure the size he vranted and that irould £it t�:e setbacks the City required, Sne ihought he alse might laant to pu� a little more thought into i£ he still wanted to nursue the assembly hall _dea �,ith the Imowledge of the parking reouirements, Mrs. Schnabel saic' that perha�s if she hadn't heard an assembly hall was planned� she 4:ou13 be a litt�e mcre disposed to act on the rezoning� but in light of what the neignbors h�d sGid she would be reluctant to vote foz• a rezoning. She added she iaould 'oe more inclzned Lo vote for a tabling motion to give the petitioner time to reassess the situation. P4r. Langenfeld agreed completely, 2nd said t'r.at at this point his vote taould also be a denial. He suggested they could come up with a better idea that would be more Feasible. Mr. Sympson stated that he realized 11r. Smith had oumed the lot for 1> ye2rs ar,d wanted to get his money out of it. He said that if ,ir. Smith could draw up a plan and make it attract_ve and fit on the lot wiih no parkir.g problems� this would be completely agreeable. He added that then he �,�ould have ro objection to the rezoning� and would be in favor of anything that would bring less people into bhe area. Mr. Leroy Smith stated that he thought the building would fit in completel,y with what was along Central Avenue and with 1�4edtron?cs. He said they nad 'oeen asked to bring a survey and a rough plan, and that is what they dic3. He stated that he hadn�t anticipated any problems with the neighbors and didn't want any problems with them. He added that he could see no use in tabling this, and said he would like to withdraw the request. Chairperson Harris stated he wished Mr, Smith would consult with his attorney be£ore he made that request, Mr. Wyman Smith stated that an attorney only did what his client requested, but he did wish to point out that one concern his client had was trying to do some- thing this £all be£ore the frost came in. ' Chairperson Harris said that before he closed the Public Hearing he wanted to mention that he had been playing with some fi�ures and he could only get about Planning Commission Meeting - September 22� 197b Page 18 12 or 13 parking spaces on that lot along with the building� with the required setbacks and green areas that must be maintained. He stated that even in the parking lot the City required a parking stall Lo be lOT x 20' in size, and there must be a place to back out of 25' to get out of the parking stall. He said that in trying to 1ay it out several different ways, the maximum he could get i.n parking stalls was 12 or 13. Mr. Risk said they might as we11 throw awzy the plan that was submitted since it wouldn'i £it, and would try to come up with a building that would fit on the lot and meet codes, He stated that they were trying to avoid a time lapse� and once it v�as rezoned it would be easy to fit a building on there. Chair- person Harris said that he couldn't in good conscience vote for a rezoning without ]mowing what would be on there. Mr, Laragenfeld asked if this request *�ou1d be good for six months if it was tabled, and Chairperson Harris said that was correct, but if it was denied the petitioner could not return £or six months to make another request, i�x. Bergman asked what affect the remaval of the reauest would have with regard to fee, and Mr. Harris said the peitioner would lose the fee. P4r, Leroy Smith stated that since he would have nothing to lose� he would like the request to be tabled. M�TION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Comr,iissian close tne Public Hearing on Rezoning Request Z�A #/76-05, by idyman Smith. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 11:25 P.rL MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Conmission table Rezoning Request ZOA #7b-OS, by Ylyman Smith, vntil the next meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 5. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. �%76-06 BY EVERETT Mt1DSEN: Split Lots 9 and 10� Block � Rice Creek Plaza North Addition� so tne new property line runs at an angle 6.1t0 feet £rom the existing Northwesterly corner of I.ot 1Q, to 36 feet northeasterly oY the :4esterly line of Lot 9, as per survey of record with the City� Parcel A describing the new lot line for Block 10� 2�6 Rice Creek Blvd, N.E., and Parcel B describing the neh� lot line £or B1ock 9, 250 Rice Creek Slvd. N.E. Mr. Everett P4adsen was present, He stated that he was the owner o£ Parcel A� and this request was a mutually agreeable situation between the two neighbors. Ae explained he had this house built when he was in I,os Angeles, and the builder made a mistake. He stated he felt it was a logical request, Mr. I.eek said that it was Staff's opinion that the request made sense, and was not objectionable to them. Mr. Bergman asked if both owners of Parcels A and B were present� and Afr, hiadsen stated that the owner of Parcel B, Mrs. Alurphy, was not interested in attending the meeting. Afr. Bergman asked if there was anything in writing from her� and Mr. Madsen said he was told that wasn't necessary. Air. Bergman stated that from what he could see, approval of this request would reduce the size of Parcel 9� ^' Planning Commission Meeting - September 22, 19T6 Page 19 and the oxner of Parcel B ought to therefore testify in writing that she agrees to the shrinking of that property. Mr. Madsen said he hadn't known it was necessary to have her signature, but he would get it, � Mr. Madsen asked if it was any concern of the Planning Commission or the City Council the amount of funds that would exchange hands. Chairperson Harris � explained Lhat in :�finnesota it would be necessary to give Mrs. Murphy a dollar and other valuable considerations to make it legal and binding, but it was no concern o£ the Plrinning Commission or Council how much money exchanged hands, MOTTON by Sh�, secanded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission recorimend to Council approva'_ of Lot Split Request L.S. �j76-06, by EveretL hiadsen: Split Lots 9 and 10, Block 1�, Rice Creek Plaza North Addition, so the neGr property line runs at an angle 6.1�0 feet fram the existing Northxesterly carner of Lot 10� io 36 feet northeasterly of the Westerly line of Lot 9, as per survey of record with the City� Parcel A describing the new lot line for Block 10, 2L6 ,�ice Creek Blvd. N.E., and Parcel B describing the new lot ].ine for Block 9� ?50 Rice Creek Blvd.� N.E.� with the stipulation that A1r, Madsen obtain a written statement from Dtrs, Murphy stating this is a mutually agreeable situatioa. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, 6. LOT SPLIT RE�UEST; L.S. ,�76-07 BY F3P.NK VOTH: Split the 4Jest 210 feet oi' Lot 9� Auc'_tor's Subdivision Ido. 9, into three parcels as fo22ows: Parcel 1(5601 Arthur Street N.E.) The Souih 80 Feet of the �rlest 210': Parcel 2(5805 tix'thar Street t:.E.) The Forth 80 Feet of the South'i20 feet o£ the Sdest 2I0 feet: Parcel 3(58D9 Arthur Street N.E.? The l�est 210 feet of Lo� 1t9, except the South 160 feet thereo£: a� measured along the 47est line of said Lot �9, and all parcels subject to an easement !'or road purposes over the West 30 £eet. Mr. Frank Voth was present. Mr. Leek stated that Staff ha3 no problem with the loi split itself, but felt there were two considerations. He said that Staff Felt perhaps this should go to the Parks and Recreation Commission as currently the garage on Parcel /#3 was two feet on park property, and also, there was a road easement of 20' going through the middle of that garage. He added this was all zoned R-1. Mr. Voth stated that Mr, and A7rs, Jacob 'diens had lived on the property since 19�t�� and they would like to be able to straighten out the matter oS the gargage and the lot split, However, he said� at the current time they had Mr. S•diens' abstract being coniinued at Anoka Title� and added that wasn�t done for many years. He showed the Commissioners on the survey where Mr. Wiens� property was� and which pro�erty was now being ded4cated by Darrel Farr as park property, Mr. Voth stated that he would like to take care of the matter of the lot split first as he wished to build a house this fall, and would immediately thereafter take care of the other matter at a later daie following any recommendations Pxom Council, Chairperson Harris commented that the lat sizes appeared to be more than adequate, and asked i£ there was any necessity for drainage or utility easements. Mr. Voth Planning Commission rleeting - September 22, 1976 Page 20 � replied that serv3.ces were in and power lines were up. Mr. Bergman stated that he was of the impression that the intent here was to establish Parcels one and two Sor building purposes, and that these parcels were on the East side of Arthur Street; the garage infringement was on the wildlife center; and the park dedication from Darrel Farr was on the East end of the property. Nts�. Voth said that ro�as correct. Mr. Harris asked if access would be of£ of Arthur Street� and Mr, Voth replied that was correct. Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Voth if he had been talking to City Administration with regard to the right-o£-way and the infringement� and Air. Voth answered he had, Mr. Leek said that actually there were three considerations� the third being the minor consideration of the shed. I�7r. Voth explained that h�•. i�Jiens did not use the shed� but did keep up the maintenance on it.in order to keep up the appearance, even though it was not on his property, ;4r. Bergman asked if it was Mr. Voth's intention to get back to Darrel Clark regarding a2ternatives for the two considerations, and Mr. 'Joth said he would. t-irs, Schnabel asked who owned lot ly5 to the North, and P1r. Voth replied that w�as parK area, MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Com�ission reco�nmend to City Council approval of Lot Split Request L.S. �€76-07 by Frank J. Voth: Sp1it the 4Jest 210 feet o£ Lot �9� Auditor's Subdivision No. 1t9, into three parcels as follows: Parcel 1(5f301 Arthur Street N.E.) The South 80 feet of the West 210': Parcl 2(5805 Arthur Street N.E.) The North 80 feet of ihe South 120 feet of the YJest 210 feet: Parcel 3�5809 Arthur Street N.E.) The V7est 210 feet of Lot lt9, except the South 160 feet thereof: a11 measured alor.g the t�lesi line o£ said Lot l�°, and all parcels subject to an easement for road purposes over the 14est 30 feet, and requesting o£ i�:r. Voth continued communication with City Administration concerning two somewnat related elements: 1) right-of-way� and 2) infringement on park property. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ' ' ' ' J MOTI�N by Bergman� seconded by Langen£eld� that the Planning Commission direct the encroachment of the garage on Parcel #3 to the Parks and Recreation Corunission. � Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unaninously. Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 11:50 P.A1. ancl reconvened the meeting � at 12:10 A.1�I. 7. WItITTEN SURVEY POLICY Mrs. Shea noted that this was the same information that had been received at the last meeting, and the Commission had just requested that it be made into written policy. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission conaur with the Administrative Policy on Survey Requirements as written. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, � L' ' ' � ' ` ' f Plr3nning Commission Meeting - September 22, 1976 Page 21 8, REVIEW OF PROPOSr."D MAINTENANCE CODE MOTIQN by Shea� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission table the review o£ the porposed maintenance code unti2 the next meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voti.ng aye, the motion carried unani.mously. 9. CONTINUED; DISCUSSTON ON GARAGE REQUIRErfENTS FOR SIP7GLE FA2�IIL" EO: �S MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the Planning Review on Single Family Garge Requirements. Upon a voice voie, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Comrnissioa table the discussion on gar2ge requirenents for single £amily homes until the next meeting. Upon a voice votea all voting aye� Lhe motion carried unanimousi�. 10. C6NTINUED: HUAIAN DEV�LOP`�NT GpALS AND OBJECTIVES MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Schnabe)., that the Planning Cor�mission table the discussion on Human Development Goals and Objectives�until the next meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimousl?. ].1. RECEIVE HUI4IAV EtESOURCES C0.•44ISSION PdINUTES: SEPTEP4BER 2 197b MOTION by Shea, seconded by Schnabel� that the Planning Commission receive the minutes o£ the September 2, 1976 Auman Resources Co.�nnission meeting. Mr. Langenfeld noted on page 51 the review on goal areas for humar, developr..ent, and stated he was g2ad to see somebody �ras working on it. He asked if this was actually going to be proposed to the Planning Commission, and '"ss. Shea replied it was sinply their input to the Planning Commission. :�Ir. Lan6enfeld commented that the Planning Corrriission should bear this in mind when t^ey discussed Human Development Goals and Objectives. Pir. Bergman suggested it would be pertinent to request Staff to include pages 51 and 52 of the "r.uman Resources Commission minutes in the next a�enda under the discussien of goals. Chairperson Harris said that with regard to the Teen Center� they have had several meetings and were drawing up the by2aws and articles of incorporation to operate under. He stated they had met and looked at the facility� and it was his opinion that ihe facility was very inadequate. Pir. Harris said they were endeavoring to work with the District 11� schools to obtain a different locaiion, but were meeting with some resistance £rom their staff, He added that hopefully tl;is project would be off the ground and they would be able to hold elections for their Board early next month. UPON A VOTCE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 12. RECEIVE APPERIS COMMISSION AITNUTES: SEPTEhISER IS I976 MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive ,P2anning Commission Meeting - September 22, 197b Page 22 4� ' the m3nutes of the September 1$, 197b Appeals Commission meeting. Chairperson Harris commented that it seemed to him that lately they had been getting a lot of petitioners through here that weren't vern� well prepared. UPOtd A VOICE VOTE, a7.1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Shea stated that she didn't want to insult anybody, but she did have a complaint about this Com^iission, She said she thought they rrasted a lot oF time because the Corunissioners did not go to look at the property that was to be discussed be£orenaaid� and she felt that maybe they could do iheir home- work a little bit better. I�fr. Bergr•�an said that he would like� through the minutes� to request of City Administra'tion that steps be taken to more promptly type and provide minutes fro:n the Cor�rnunity Development Commission. For ex�nple, he said, their meeting i,�as a week ago tonight� and he didn't know �rhy their minutes couldn't oe before this Commission with that amount of time to type them, He requested that some attention be given to that. ADJOURNt�1EidT: MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Shea, thai the meeting be adjourned. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperso.n Harris declared tkie Planning Commission meeting of September 22� 1976� adjourned at 22:32 P.j'i. by t�nanim�us vote. Respectfully submitted, ` ' m�' �./. \,;��; »rrr 1 —1 �i -�/—?� ��rc Sherri 0'Donnell `J Recording Secretary r� _ , � � 1 ' of �-ic;n:. r;oricc CITY OF FRTDLf:Y PlluIIC HCARitdG f;EFORE THE PLAiiiallVG COi4t�tISS101�! TO YlNOt� IT i�iAY CDt�CERN: �3 ._. � � . . Notice �is herehy gi��en that there vti?i be a Public F!earing of th� Planning Co�:;n;ssion of the City of Fridley in tiie City Ha71 aL 6431 Uni:�ersit; Aven�se Ilortheast on Wedresday, Septe�r�.er 22, 7976 in the Counc�l Cha��ber �at 7:30 P.P1. for the purpos�e of: Consideration of a proposed preliminary p1at, P.S. �76-Do, C,entra? Tc�r;nF:ouse Adci �ion, by Evert S�rrecnson, being a replat of Lot 19, er.cept the F.ast 190 �eet ihereof, and exrert the t�iest 1/ feet t�.l:en i=or tii;��,ray purEOS�s, a.nc� the I;est 147.74 of Lot l2, a?1 in Nuditor's Subdivision fdo. 129, to a71cti•r d2ve'op!neni of a 3't unit tc�.rnhouse site, lo��ted in the North f�alf of Sectioi; 12, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anai:a, I�irn=sotu. Generu'ly located at 7325 Ceriti•al Avanae h.�. Anyone desiririg to be heard t:�ith reference to the above �atte� !�:a?� bn hearc! at ti�is t:me. RICHARD H. HARRIS CNAIR�IAN PLAt�NIN6 COD;�tISSIOPa ' Puhlish: Septe;tiber F3, 1976 Septe;»i�ei° 15, 1976 ' � , , � �"'"`� ' CI1'Y OP PRIDLCY MINNf:SOTA PLANNING AND ZONING PORM ' NUhfI3CR ���7�-D�� : � .. (`_• �C' APYLICANT`S SIGNA7'URG` ' � ��� ' : �7 �J '/ ' Address.-�C.j,1' /1-�iZC/�%�£� �LGa� / / � ' Telephonc Number -� �� � — � � � � ' PROPERTY OIVNLR'S � Ad dres s�-:(� , Telephone Number TURB�: "�/�" /<.' 7 Street Location of Property �< ' o� � �� TYPG OF RCQUHST � � Rezoning Special Use Pennit �_ Approval of Premin- inary $ Final Plat Strcets or Allcy Vacations Other Fee �3'�' �J�j��c� � Receipt No. Legal Descriptioii oi Property _ / : Present Zoning Classification�__Existing Use of Property j.: i/.L'2 ��� Acreage of Property ��� � j� j�-� Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification � /�� �� or type of use and impro���ment propose�`� /G`Zr'� ��.t-�IL=` �[� � ���� G��=r� ����� � Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a]ot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? li yes no. H9iat was reqiiesied and tiahen? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) Tltis application must be si�ned by all owners of the property, or an esplanation given why Lhis is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedin�s resulting from the failurc to list the names and addresscs of all residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to tlie undersigned. A sketcli of proposed property and structure must be dra�an ancl attaclied, sho�aing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Lucation of proposccl structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and frmit and side setUacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (within 300 feet). ' 'I7�e undersigncd hereby declares that all.the facts and applicat�n arc true and corrcct. ,� ,- ; ��� ' DATG � ( _Z�SIGNATUI'���� ����J'�Jl��� (�AI ' IGAN'I') ' Date Filed Date of Elcari , Planning Commission Approved (dates) Dcnicd City Council Approvcd (dates) Denicd ions stated in tliis rc-� � , btailing list 70A l,'76-03 I:VERT S51A.hJ5�Jil Part of Lots 1&' and 19 11.5. 11129 ' t4r. & P1rs. Jol�n Dickenson 1360 Onondaya P1�E. Fridley, I�n 55432 t�1r. & Mrs. Dougtas [3ec{:1 i« 1405 Onoitdaga i�l.E. Fridley, I•in 55432 Mr. � F�rs. Rober� Grant 7314 Hayes St;-eet Id.E. Fridley, i�in 55432 hir. & Mrs. t�ichae7 Konf. usch 1398 Fireside Drive fV.Eo fridley, P1n �5432 t•ir: & Mrs. Dennis Czeck 1395 Onondaya Street Iv.E. Fridley, 14n 55432 Mr. Charles �itxan 7360 Fireside D1"1VF (d.Eo Fridle��, M:�i 5�432 Mr. & tfrs. Harold Tied2n 13�5 Orondaga Street Id.E. Fridley, t•4n 55432 A J L& S Investr�ient Co:npany 7500 l.�niversity Avenue N.E. Fridley, f4n 55432 f4r. & Ftrs. Robert Carlson • 5214 36th Avenue N. • St. Petersburg, florida 33710 Mr. & D1rs, Lloyd Knutson 1366 Ononc�aga Sireet N.Eo Fridley, Pin 55432 P1r. & Pirs. Ci�ester Cole 138?_ Onondaga Street N.E, Fridley, Pin 55432 Mr. & Pirs. Ray Fessc 1390 Onondana Strc�t N.E. fridlcY, Mn 55q3? M��. & h1rs. ba��id Porath 74� Po l k Strcet fd.l=. 14inncapolis, A;�i 55�i1 � � iurni in j ............... �. .�.___.� .� `� 2ci Councit __ __ _ __ Planning Commission 9-2-76 P.S. #76-08 Central Townhouse Additioh Same petitioner, same legal description Mr. Kevin Olson 1370 Fireside Drive Iy.E. Fridley, Mn 55G32 t+lichael W. Bayer 73II1 Onondaga fJ.E. Fr�idley, hin 55432 Arl ine E. Sal:a 73�}5 Certral Avence Pl.E. �ridley, ii�-� 554"s2 f•1ro & t�rs. h!�lroy I:ruGerud 7356 Nayes Street 1;.E. Fridley, I-in 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Albert P::,:�, er 7370 Hayes Street ��.F. Fridleys I���i 55G32 1�1r, Evei-t St,�anson 258 4lindsor Lane tdew Bri a,hton , ;�;n 5'il � � I•1ro & 1�1rs. La���rance hicCaue 732$ Haye.s Sireet ,3.E. Fridley, �in 55432 Mr. & M�°s. Donald Nvrland 7342 Hayes Str•eet IJ.E. fridley, hin 55432 Jeanette ft. Huber 7300 Hayes Street fr.l=. Fridley, i�:n 55432 P1r. & Pirs. Clarence fosse 1367 73rd Aver.ue PJ.E. Fridley, I�i;; 55432 t+ir, & hii�s. John Young 7343 Hayes Str�et fV.�. Fridley, hfn 55?32 Mr. & Pirs. Arthur Seger 1401 73rd Av��nue h.E. Fridley, iin 55�}32 Pir. & hirs� Flmer Hallatz 7395 Ilayes Si.rcet N.C. Fridlcy, Pin 55432 � , , , , ' � , ' , ' , �� � � , � �4ailing List Page 2 7_011 !176-03 Evert Svranson I�Ir. Russell P.ankin 73II5 Hayes Street N.E. fridley, 1�1n 55rE32 tdr. f� Mrs. James Ninricks 73551iayes Streeti N.E. Fridley, ttn 55432 Mr. & 14rs. Royer Fredrick 7371 Hayes Street N.Eo Fridley, P1n 5543'L John D. 6abinski 1290 73rd Avenue N.E. ' Fridley, Mn 55432 John WD Haluptzok Route 2, Box 3fil Forest Lake, Mn 55025 Mr LeP.oy Halupzok 1240 73rd Avenue N.E. °F�•idley, Mn 55432 Fir. & hirso Clifford Thoe 725G Central F.venue N.E. Fridle��, �1n 55n32 Walter & Floyd 6ustavson 7410 Certral Avenue NoE. Fridley, hin 55432 Onan Corperation 1400 Central f,venue N.E. Fridley, Mr. 55432 P1r. Michael Vir�iig 13G5 - 73th Avenue N.E. Fridley, A1n. 55432 �� Also Page 2 for: P.S. #76-08, Central Townhouse Addition-. Evert Swanson 'r" ..Y�rn9 fir.r./.�Y.in�. . � � --------------- ----�`— � ���y� � ' ZOA. � 76-03 Evert S�lanso , I+ZJCi yi/icnGO�imef.'e (i1G6vo[/ ' • . . " (4E9oJ 69dF<. ��y��: W �2• ,3�,s�,� � e:,� y .8 � t 1 I !c I ��!� [ � ��' � . .. .. - � �v �. f�. i "t'�;i .'' � � ! ��`� �z` �.�� �.�1 �s ��� �� �� Cd��, ' , � '� . 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P/;'.{_;h.:c ? �n f;ING. i0� h�N( A6i ;;,1�, : t, �I;;i. 144 i'i,'r_ s 5 FOG_,LK,hWhN�,ON Clv! , , �k'.!�II�'-1:�;�� !°h;0 /Y :�:: ; F�.., i.;� �;�,. ;'IN �1f'L'�,i,l�i'!i� ; r..�llri i'I!: � if., i7_',. ��1'C• f�.�.3-�+�r. , �,. :�' ''E'' oFrictr,� ;,orrr,� CIT'f OP PRIDLEY PU3LIC ItEAR�(tr, 13EFORE TH� PLAI��;It�S COi,'4ISSI0!v' TO 41110:'�i IT hi(iY CO„CtRi`!: �9 IJotir.e is herehy giv2n that thei°e �•�ill he a Public fiearing of the Plaruiing Co„a:iissiori of tlie City of Pridley in �Le City Nall at 6�131 Urii�rer- sity Ave��ue fiortheast on 4lednesday, Septer.�ber 22, 1976 in thz Council Gh,�:�ber at 7:30 P.;9. foi° *Le purpose of: Considetation of a rezo�:ing reeuesi, ZOA ;`76-05, by 4�yman Srnith, to rezone the Easter?y 200 fee� of Lot, 13, ex.cep� the i�or-t;erly 30 feet thereof; also *he Easterl�� 50 fee� t!?ereoi, (luditor's Subdivision ;io. 84, frcm R-3 (cer;�ral multiple family dt-;ellings} to C-1 (lcra7 business areas) or C-2 (yencral busincss areas), to alio�,� th� coi�s:ruction of a speculativP building io be used fcr offices and asser�blies, located ir the Sou�h Haif or" Sectior. 17_, T-30, P.-24, City of Fridiey, Ceu��ty cf An�!:a, t1irr�eseta. Genei°all� loca�ed on the �outh side of Piorton Avciiue �.�. ti��here it ih.e�sec±s ;•:iih Central Hvenue N.E. Anyone desirir�y to b•a heard �•rith reier2nce to the abo��e rnatter may be heard at this time. RICHAF.D H. HA?RIS CHA: Ri1�!,�! PI_ANfd11vG COI�iT4ISSI0i� Publisi�: Septe�uber 8, 19i6 � Septeuiber 15, 1976 � �J ' , � ,�rM^r C.ST`l OP PRIDLf:Y AiTSthliSUTA . � PLANNING AND ZONIhG PORM T1UhSi3CR ✓i�tl %�o - (1SJ APPLIC/�VT'S SIGNATURf_ jnJ VM�N ��1 /�� Address / Z sd i�u e � ���t S �� G� - M�t-s STL/oZ Telephonc Number__��. �f _ /�/�� / _ PROPCRTY OIVNER'S SIG�ATURE Address � � �7 ,�'�''^r"� � � � Telephone Number �p y � � � � r Streei i.ocation of Property_ �Z�M � " " `'"" " , 30. / � , �1�� .�r `.. 7'YPL OP REQU@ST Rezoning Special Use Permit ppproval of Premin- inary $ I'inal Plat Streets or.Alley Vacations Other Fee /s,5 Receipt No. %� �S Legal Description of Property v- s' �'^""' -" - '�f� ��� Present Zoning Classification�_Existing Use of Property !��' Acreage of Property Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and inprovement pr�posed ��� - Z ��i!!?.� f/Lt� Has the present applican't previously souglit. to rezone, plat, oUtain a lot split o variance or special use permit on the siiUject site or part of it? yes no. IVhat Has reqiiested an� when? 'I'he wldersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property taithin 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) Tliis application must be signed by all oivners of the property, or an c�planation given i�hy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting ::om the fai.lure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property oti<<ners of property in qucstioii, Uelongs to tlic undersigned. A sketch o£ proposcd property and structure must Ue drawn and attaclied, sho��ing the follo�;ing: 1. P;orUi Direction. 2. Location of yroposed structure on thc lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (witliin 300 feet) The widersigned hcrcby declares that all applicati n are true and correct. DATE_i���---II �'�/�'--�-�SIGNAI'URE � Date Filed the facts and representations stated in this Date of Hearing � Planning Commission Approved (datcs) Aenicd City Council Approved (dates) Denied MAILINC LIST ZOA #76-05, WYMAN SMITH Part of Lot 13, A.S. #89 from R-3 to C1 or C-2 Wyman Smith 1250 Builders Exchange Minneapolis, Mn 55402 Leroy B. Smith 1212 44 1/2 Avenue N.E. Columbia Heights, Mn 55421 Medtronic, Inc. 6970 Central Avenue N.E. , Fridley, Mn 55432 Onan, Inc. 1400 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Tillie B. Berglund 7112 Central Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Rustic Oaks Corporation 212 South 6th Street Minneapolis, Mn 55402 Mr. & Mrs. Earl Dunbar 1245 Norton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Ruth J. Norton 1251 Norton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Tri-00. Builders 7555 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Joan E. King 1301 Norton Avenue N>E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Dale Norton 3434 West 60th Street Chicago, Ill 60629 Ernest R. Kutzik 209 Snelling Avenue North St. Paul, Mn 55104 Planning Commission 9/7/76 �i � Council �T�" . Yhone: Crli,:nwaacl 3-8352 7'gh°�- 3-s/ �� � Z ' ' �'�.���.��f�� �. �F���°�`�i . 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TO 4�FI0.�7 IT MAY CONCERN: OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEX PUBLIC IIEARING BEFORE TFIG PLF�NNING COt•tI+IISSION 3� Notice is hereby given that there o�i].1 be a Public Fleazing of the Planning Co*nmission of the City of I'ridley in the City FIall at 6431 Univer.sity Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, June 9, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. tor the purpose of; Consideration of a Preliminary Plat, P.S. #76-05, Innsbruck North Replat 3rd Addi-�ion, by Parrel P. Farr Dcvelopment Corporation, beiny a replat of that part oi Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition; desctibed as follows: yats 1 to 4 incl.•.isive. 91cck 211 Lota 1 to 4 inciu:vive, illcc'r, 22t Lots 1 to 4 inclusiv^, .^.3:oc't ??7 Lots 1 to 4 inclusi.ve. ;Ixi 24t Lots 1 to li L•:cL•�?i.ee, 31oc;c 25� Lots 1 to 4 inci.,t:sive, ii�_oc't 2F�� alsn that part cf T,o+. I, 91oc:: 29 desczi.Sed as follovrs� 3eF,inning at tiic r.orth�cast cr..^.:ar o!' s^.ic1 31ock 21� ti;ence "Iorth 9 dc:i'-"s.^.s yJ nir.ute� i:k .,;:com?; �,tast u dista.nce o.° 16 feett 4hence Fio;th 3i dz;;=ce:: U? '+!':'_t.:s L;acend. ._:st a distaner, of 3? feetr thence Snuth 9 de:*rec�� 50 minui:ea b3 �econ�ls :ia,t a distance oT 1G feot- to t'�c nortihe�st: ccrner of sai.d Block 21; therce tio the ;�aint of t•�e,;in��i�;;t - . also that p;irt cf I.ot 1, '_ilec:�. °S descrihed as folLows�. Be(;innin� at ti�e noi•th:•:ost ce��_-ier o' said Block 22� thence !9oi�tli Z de,,c.ees 3<7 n;m:t.e '�:e-± a Ci;it<i::ce o* 10 fcetr t.hence -t7oT�th R7 d.c,'?•ecs ':� :sinu-'-es �=.st a disi:ance of 33 feett thence South 2 d:�;(rae:; 39 r�i-dut:::� �`:.�[ a dis'•:nnce oi 10 zeet to the northaast coi�i^_r of �c:ici slve; '2; tiic:�cc to the poini oi b::,;innin„t al3o thaC pa.^t oi i,o! 1, ^loc'- 2A �ie�c;ibed as follovis� � �IIerinnin,;. ^'. +,?�e e;ou:?u::i;t co:�:i�r oi ,aid P.locn 22t th2nce South 2 de>rees i9 nim:t�xs :i^.:�: s zi:ianc� of (i ieeti thence South �y degrces 21 :-:zaut^s %'r.st i riis!^::cc o`.' 33 rect� thenr,e North 2 de�i.n,,; 3� ;ainti�t.,a ei;�st a,._.tr,ttc.� o: o feet to t�c southwest - eorner of ^:�id SL�cic ?2t th=ncc to the noint of L-eginning� � � - also that �art oi Lot 1, �lack .'.8 dae,ct'ibed as follov:s+ Oe�in�iin„ at ti:^ sovth�': st ccr.�er o1' sai.d iilock 73� thence South y det:rees OC c:imates �+I secur:d� ca.^.t a dis*-ance of 1G feet� Lhence � South 92 d.^;rees 59 nin•i•',e� 1�� ❑aconds >�est n dist^ncr o!' 33 £cet� � thence trorth 7 de;tnr.s 00 mi�i�t�s 41' ^,econds 'Nest fl di^•tance of lb feet to tl:e south�=est conier of �aid alcc;c 23� thenc.e to tha point . of beginning� � � � nlso thst. F�rt of Lo: 1, �lec� 2;S dear,ribed as follo•xs� Reginnin� at [tia northwcsC cornar of �ri.id ::lock 1.4t the.nce Narth a di.tsincc of 15 Ieeti ther.ce i'.n.^,c � di:.tanee of �"J fertt Lhr.nce South a Si::tance o!' ln :cet tu tl�c northeu�L cornur of +;aid illock 2�i1 thenca to tho poln[ oC llcrinningt , -«_. -. � Page 2 � atuo that pxrt of I.ot 1, °luck ?� deccrlb•^,d as follo�,+s� IIe�lnnin�; nt t,hr: .outl;rant corner ot' :;ni.d Alock 25r thence South ��� 1� de�;rr.e:; 77 rnin!ite� �1 .^,r.r.oaA:; a Aiat^.nr_e of lo fectt thence tiortit �6 <i�•grries 2G minut.e; L9 secona+; 'ricct a dlslanae of j3 fect� � thenec North iJ de.^,recs 3) minutes 41 :^conCr Ea�:t a distance of 16 feet�to thr, aouthwnat corner of saiA Illock 25t thence to the pnint of Ueginni.nf; i � � also that �?art ot I,ot 7, Alock 2fl de�r,rtbed as foll.ars� Bertnnin� et the southeast corner oC said 91ock 26t *-!��nce South 11 de�;rrns 41 rr�in�.�tns 11 r;r,c�od, We,t a distahce e` 1G t'eet� . tl�ence NorLh �L? der;r��� li' �^�i.nut^.^, 49 seconAs w'r^t a disCance of � 33 f^-�`� =�enr_a tlarth 11 derrees ��1 !nS.nu�te3 11 secnnds �..et a di,ta.^,co oS 15 feet to i:ha south�.ve9t corner of �aid Block 25i thence to the poSnt of t>r�;i.r.ningt � all lyiny in the South l;alf of Secti.on 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and � South�of�Meister Road N.E. . Anyone desiring to be heard�with re£erence to the above r.iatter wi�l be heard at this meeting. � � � � � � � � Publish: May 26, 1976 June 2, 1976 RICHAR7"H. HARRIS CFiAIRMAN pLANNING COMA'SISSIO� , . 3'� m � ' ' CITY Or FRIDLEY p1INYGSOTA t � � P ,LlINNING AI�D ZO�ING l�Olthl NUMRER ��- %� � oS TYPE OF REQOGST APPLICAN'P'S STCNA'I'U12H �''��yrai .;� .=a�.- l��srrjcp,,,rn7 Ca+-� Rezoning Address -�?RC� f/a,,✓„ 77 ""` =?��� ,L;'o�' �S`�"[g Special Use Permit Telephone NumUer :' C<> O =' ! �� � PROPCR7'Y OW\GR'S STGNATURB _ l;t �+; e� Address Telephone NumUer'_ Street Locatimi of Property �� �-� T ? �o . ; t ., � ;r � Legal Description of Property ..' ' ��;"�� ����. �'- -r:-:': r�-' !� Approval of Premiit- inary $ Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other -� .✓ Fee j Q Receipt No.SI� � Present Zoning Classification �"' ' Existing Use of Property Acreage of Property DescriUe Uriefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed __:',:.-,,-z �- __ , � ,• : r(Irnr.f I+.i..C��� %�� Ft'�i± li, /'r� .�l� .i�. . . u� ,. ,. , . . - _� Has tlie present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, oUtain a lot split or variance or special use yermit on the subject site or yart.of it? ' yes no. iVhat was requested and whcn? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all resi.dents and owners of property wi.thin 300 fect (35C1 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this applicati.on. (6) This application must be si�ned by all o�aners of tne prcperty, or an explanation given �ehy this is not. the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in tlie preceedings resulting from the failurc to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in qucstion, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of �roposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing thc following: 1. Nortli Dircction. 2. Location of proposed st�vcture on the le.t. 3. Aimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setUacks, 4. Street Names, 5. Location and use of adjacent eaisting Uuildings (r:ithin 300 feet). �The undersignecl hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. DATE � `%. ,',.. /3 , SIG�ATURG C� -'' -,% , '_ _- �" ' t(APPLICAU'I') t% • Date Filed Date of ticaring Planning Commission Approvecl ' (dates) Dcnicd_ m City Council Approved (datcs) Denicd � ' ' , ' - , � , � , ' ' , lJ L�J ' ' � MAILZIdG LIST P S• 8p A76-OS Darrel Farr Devel�pment Corp Replat Blocks 21-26 to Lots 1-6 to allow 2- 2 car garages and 2 single car garages in each block Ms. Pamela J. Braun 5562 Meister Road N.E Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Donald J. Kunshier 5558 t�eister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55932 Mr. Daniei Shaw 5554 Meister Road N.E FridLey, Mn. 55432 Mr. James Hanson 5550 Meister Road N.E Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Margaret Schweizer 5546 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Karl Klopfer 5542 Meister Road N.F.. Fridley, :�In. 55432 Mr. Stepher Tollison 5538 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Paul Leibman 5534 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Alice Shaughnessy 5530 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Susan Sisson 5526 hteister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Donald Olmstead 5522 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Harry Zook 5518 P]eister Road N.E. Ftidley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Kent Koch 5514 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Robert Cargill 5510 Meister Road N.E Fridley, t4n. 55432 Mr. Richard Nafstad 5575 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 3� Ylanning Commission , j .Z 5 = �� Mr. Terry Wiley 5571 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Mary Blisha 5565 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. James Kinq 5561 E. Bavarian Pass Ixridley. Mn• 55432 Mr. Douglas Van Arkel 5563 E. Bavarian Pass Fri3ley, N,n. �5432 Mr. Ronald Ferkingstad 5567 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, rin. 55432 Mr. Thomas Hummel 5545 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, p1n. 55432 Mr. William Goon 5541 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Ann Neher 5543 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. James Pries 5547 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Murray Heatley- 5533 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Wayne Bothun 5535 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Pln. 55432 Mr. Lynn Castner & Ms. Deonne Parker 5537 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Charles Franke 5529 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Steven Kessel 5525 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Shirley Dir.key 5531 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. John Becker 5521 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Nfn. 55432 Ms. Edward Englund 5517 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Gary Oclegaard 5519 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Linda Borry 5523 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Leonard Rutte'r 5540 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. David Johnson 5544 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Lorin Woods 5542 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Richard Sharpe 5578 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 l ` �. 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She asked for clarification on Lhat matter, t'�r. 13oardman explained t,hat thr. Communit,y Schools are di1'ferent from the School Board, and tiiey are the ones that made the offer. A7rs. Gabel asked what the Communit,y S�hools do, ar.d N,r. Eoardman answered that they have the Fi.ne Arts Com,rnitt�e, theatricals, cit,y band, etc. He added thai there r�ere people from llistrict 14 who •were involved in Ca,�m�miCy Schools, but it is not necessari.ly tied Lo the Sc�ool Board. �2 Chaj.rperson Ha°ris noted that the Parks and Hecreation Commission had Svr;r.ed a Recreation Study Project Comn�itt°e, and said that ti.fienever a project co,,,r.iittiee is Sormed it should be requested that the Chairperson of that Com�niss�o.^. submit the naries o; the people on the project con�mittee so it could go te the City Council. Mr. Boarcinan said ihey would then keep a ri:nnir.� aceu7i of project committees and r:hat they are active in� and the Cor�m�ssions k•eul.' be able to ke�p an up-to-date account o� those co�r�r.iii,ees and xiio e:as involveri, , Mr. Bergman stated that �he Coranunity Developnent Cora�reiss:on had two prcject comrt�,ittees now; a sign committta and ^nother for bike and v.al3:�..ays. 'tie s«id that bike and �ual}c•iays was a controversial topic and t^ere eaould be som.e � discussion on it. H� co.^imenied tnat tne one on Mississippi St^eet :�eol:ed like a two-lane street instead o£ a bike lane. i�ir. P,oardran stated tha� i��e bike system was not oS£icialiy op2ned vet, ar.d ihat strip�n; and sign_ng , were not completed yet, Mr, BoarcL^�an explained that the Couni•y had agread to a bike system and t?iey had recei�ed some Federal monies that the,y hr.:l Lo spend or lose� and tnat is uhat thev did, rie further eanlained that �i:e monies set aside bv the Fede:a2 Government were for edge strioir,g. �;r. ' Bergman stated that a goodly share of those stripes that ::ci•e put. do::m :•:ere in the xrong place� and mar�Y were r�orn o£f alread,y. 1dr. 13oardma� said tnat was because they hent through a�zinter and winters xere very tou�;h on =tripina. 1. PUBIIC IiEARTNU: R£QUEST FOR A SPF.CIAL USE PER211T, SP ,`-�76-07,_ BY_d.4tiCY 1•;EL6Ic.: 'Po a11ow a child care center for ten children, per xr�dley Git,y Code, Section 207.051, 3, F, in an P,-1 Zone (single fasnily dwelling arcas), to be located on Lot 12, Block 3, Afeadow:noor Terrace Addition, the sar;e being 131t6 Aieadowmoor Drive Pi.E. Chairperson Harris informed Mrs. Tfelbie that tliere wasn't a quorum present so they could not hold a public hearing. Slie astced if this would be resclieduled Sor the next Planning Commission'meeting� and he replied it would be. 2, PUBLIC }iEARIP.G: CONSIDEi.ATTOP: OF A PR�'LPITNARY PI,:1T, �S, Ll76-OK, jN�S5RUC6 h012Tii� Iii:PLh'1' Tdl:iil AtillliJ���v' ;�l O:;t�tv,b A. FAti1� ll:'.41�,L(1;����.ft ,vu!(`;d: i;fi_r�� a replat o2' Lots 1 Lo t inc]usivc,, Slocks 21 thr�u�;h ; o, :vid .i:Le;o part o2' Lot 1� I�lock 2f3, Innsbrucl: North Towizhou�es 1'hird . Addition, to allow chaciec . in tlie size o£ garnt;es, �;enerall,y located on the West side of �s�ti Savarian Puss m�d South of Meister Road N.F.. t...T , '�'_� - '. . . ... .. ... . . . . . � . . .. j��:. Mr, Jrunes Lorrkn, reprc�enti.ng Darrel A., Farr Devclopment Corporation, and � 14r, Lnrin Wood �� of 'i�1t2 N;. 3iavarian Pass� 1�ri.dley� were present. Chairpc�rson 13arri.^. exp7:iiricd thaL fi:hc Commis::ior. K011ll� t)4' rn�re than liaptrv to d_sci�:�s the pr_tition ini'ormall.y but could not Lakr ;uzy raction on it at this mceting as they could not hold a public hcarin�; because of lack of a quor-um, lie staLed that t}'�e Fiublic hearing items xo�.zld be rescheduZed Sor {,hc next meetin^. Mr. Inndon stated they were akin� for two doublc �ara�;e, and two si_ngle garages in each Uuilding instead of four sin�;le �;arages that they had no�.:. He said the groun3 cover rrould be incresxsed by 16' per bu:ildin�;� �nd they felt the units wnuld be nore salable V,ith that type of a double garar;e arid that tiras their reason Sor it. Be ;;tated he had givcn t,hi� p]:m to i.he Presilent of the To�mtiouse Association some tine a�o� and also to the Archi.tectur�.l Control CoT�nittee Chairman� Jerrv kndcrson� �nd hadn't received zn,y nef,aLive responses frorn ei.ther one, t�fr, i•loods said that since neither of those gentlemen could attend the neetin, he had been in•rited to come in their pl•^.r_e� and he felt that �ince the r�ablic hearing had to be postponed until a later date he rrould rat:�er nave one of them state their position sznce ne had gotten this second-ha7d and didn�t have a chance to look over the plans himsei£. Nir, london as}:ed z:i,at his Teelings were on it, and iir. 17oods stated thaL he lived adjacent to 4:here {;he ;irst s�t oY garage stalls r�ould be b�.zilt and his orm personal opinion was that he r�as against it. He asked �:hat x2s the p:esent spacing between the garages i;hat are presently constructed, and b:r. Lo::don said the spacing bettaeen the �ar2ges �*asied. He said it seemed there �rere. a minimum of three oarkin� spaces betiaeen any �ar�ge and sc^�eti�:es Soar. :'s. l•toods said that iY they rrent a��ag with the pla;s it would r_•�i:ain�te at lea3t one parkitig soace i'o� guests, �:d this ti,�as esseniially the bigoest cornplaint 2gainst seeir.g tne garage sizes increased. He contir.�ed inat nany times people �no o•rrned gar2ges still ieYt their cars out 1'or convenience reasons. ' Mr. .Landon asY.ed how this ai'Yected �ir. 4loods� ariu Tir. �doods replied that one oY the lar�er gara�es would be right beside his dr:eiling, rn•. Lcndcn saic yes� tnere would be, but that garage is being added to u:�ay 1'rom i•:r. Yiocris' � block rather tnan towards his side. He staied it ai'f'ected tne people in rlocks five and six in that tt�ere would be larger garages across the street, ' ' Chairperson Harris asked if these units had automatic gars�e door openers, and Tir. London rePiied tnat a few did� but the najority didu't, ?,ir. H�rrzs said he was wondering if they weren�t made an optioa but coere part oF the ' deal if cars would be pui away more often, and thought this mi�rit be a partial solution. ru�, t,ondon agreed that it might help. � Mr. l:'oods said that even assuming the garage door openers Here put on, the amount of parkin� spaces bet�aeen thc garages �:ould :indicate that people 1:i�o have two cars wifo have singie garages are still goin� to i'ill up those spaces making a parking problem for tne �uests of the units. r•s. London said they � had ��X" amount of p3rking spaces Hhether the cars are in the garages or in the parking ].ot, ;uid c�hat�it does is reserve a parking area in a garagc Por someone who ivv�ts to buy it that aray, pir. l�oods stated that he could underst�s:d ' why they wa�ited i,o put in double garn�es� but as it existed now thc amount: ol' space thnt is tliei•e vould make it rathcr inconvenient and diPFicult. i�e added that tlie spacc for parking was a1; a pi•emium now wii.h sinele car gar��es, ��id � he could see it r�rni2d atill Ue at n rremiwn as most people hnvc two cnrs tind sometimes boat,� recreationzl vehicle.� and t�hat sort oS thing. ' �� o � �M��� � inP_Comm;:;si.on 14retin� - Junc 9, ]97b _-..�.. 1, .� . IQr. :doods si.atecl that if everyhody u.cd their rara��es as i,hcy r,�.�ht to� �':� r�� 1 tirou].dn't be any problem, He ad'ded that if thc double �;aragcs ,:�.rc ��] lo•.:cd, it should bc mand:�tory that those pr,onle use their gara�c^ or th�re �.�,;'-1 bf; no ouiside parkinf;. He 1'urthcr added that he jii:;t had to rr?,y on p�nt h:c.i.•,ry , with the Way the situati.on is now when people have rarties c,tLractir,�; many guest� and the resulting parY.in�; cruncn, Ghairper�on Harris �skr:•d if' hc wa� sa,ying that in an,y case therc was not enouF,h par�ing thr.rc� ::nd }]r. Y�ood;, ' stated that if everyone parY,ed in their gara�;e ther•e woul.d be enoueh a:irrir:{�, but i,hey don't. 1 ' ' � ' , ' � ' ' ' � Chairperson Harris said hc tmderstood they had a ver�;� viat,:Le To�anhrn>;� ��so^- iation, and su�;�;e:ted that throu�h a little educa�io^ and a publicit;; r:r�,;rr:: the,y could he:Lptp r.emedy that situation.ls. �r,'oods said n^-^nar� t.hey coizld� 'oui rahat be was saying ,ras th�t when he trent home }ie i,�ould like �o park relnt.i.vel;� close to his orm residence. h;r, Boardman asked hov� many,outside , arkin� stalls i;ere o: ovidrd uer ur,'_ t, and ]•;r. London re�lied tLere w.ere 2.?_� parking stalls for �very unit, !:r. Boardman suggested desi�nating an o�atside stall fb: every un_t, but ;3r. Woo3s said he riidn't think that wouJ.d hork very v:ell. N.e ciLed the er.ur;i^] � that if someone was having guests over and �ou ca-.e back to iir.o ;�our desi.�,n��ed space parked in, what could 3�ou do? Ne stated it would be a very difficult thing to manage. 13r. B�rgman asked if they had thought o. any way to replace t:�ose t�•relve lr}st outside spacesJ 2nd 1�"s. London replied they nadn't. He expiained ii; %�s suggested fairly recentl,y that more garage spuce be previred� and he sai� he thought that the douhl.e garages would sell. In iact, he said� many qecpie asked if txo-car garanes YFEtP. av2ilab7e= and at• thc present tis�e they are not. tir. London explained he had the sarveyor take a look at it and asked una� cculd be done xithout ruining the area., .xnd this is iaiiat he c�ree up wiLt�. 'r.� said at least tiao spaces were left betwe?n each garage. Chairperson Narris said that periiaps tney could think about it for acahile, and at tl�e next Planning Cornaission meeting some co.^.crete suggestions and recanaendations could be made. � RE-EV,4LUA.TION Or STBE�T L:1YOJT NEAn NO:�TH PA.iK �PT;TITiC��i 8-1976) Mr. Bergm<3n stated he ihought tliis was veiy fully covered in the mimites oS the F.nvironmental and Comsnunity Development Comnissions meetin�;s. He sain the two Co:nmission, were in full agreement that they ought not lose existing right-of-xa,ys. 2�irs, Uabel said that from reading those minutes there wasn�t anythin� in the Sliture aUout a road, so she couldn�t fully understand why the p�ople petitioned. ifr. Boardman explained the people where trying to avoid a situation that could possi6l,y happen in the fliture. � Chairperson Harris said that as far ns railroad crossings got hc was not. in fnvor of' one on 83rd, but Selt there should be one on T9th� and felt the one on 77th should be eliminat•ed. Mr, L�oardm:u� said there xas a cul-de-snc at ' 79th� but wns noL stire iahat xould happen there. Hc said he would just as soon see 77th elininated and no crossing to Ea,^t River Road, Mr, iiarris said � S'ltmning Co�rsii::.^,ion Mert.i-ng - June 23, 19'(b � Pa�e 13 . � no longer be a cost to the properL,y, !lc s:iid that any improvcmn.nt on thr Uuildin�; uould increase the len�i.h of' time that tihe,y Y1011l� }13VE to operate it in order to get the money bac}: i'rom Lhat building. �� f) , lhr. Langenl'eld said he would like to cormnc-.nt that he hoped this would not starL a trend that ever,ythin�; from soun to nut� wou]d ro out i.n front of othrr nlaces. I�hr. Harris said he believed that Lhe City Counci.l. had alrec�ci;; set a urecedent 1 as f'ar as thi:> wa� concerned wnen thc;i allo;,ed the{rai)er �a:e:: �rar� in ='ront of floliday Vii.lage. rie stated that if the cit;; allows trailer sales fac'�nE* 69l� i.n thc Holidy parkinn lot� then :m;11%n�iy xho hns vaca.nt parrin� arr_a �.hat i; � not used has the same ri�;hts to app�.,y £oi� th� ;2me use:. ;Ir. sergn»n ea�id if the trailer sales functien were requa.ted on the corner of ;..sissif:p� u�,d 'univ- ersity, his vote tirou).d haee been different. C}:�irnerson }iarri° �a�d t:�a: th.e Lrai.ler sales nark �ra_s cn thr-_ corner of f:9h and Universi.�y a_�d tnat cern�^ ,..� i a far busier one. Hc st�ted tnat r;3ny mcre ,r,eonle visitir.g i:^.° city �r:;a?d see that operation then this one. .Mr. Lzr.genfeld said he rranted �o point oui that he iaas not questioning r,ri,yone's rignts. 13r. Y.arris stated �::�t ::itr t;�e arecedent ' bein� set� as Far as he Y�as conces•.^.ed, he ti�a; �;oing to ve{•e for inis pariicular pro�sal. , UPO?7 A ROLL C;!LL tiOTE' fi2xxis� Langenfeld� Peterson� Shea and Gabel �*oti.^.g a;�e� Bergman voti..g nays the motion carried 5- 1. � '!'1l':, :?ti PI,AT a rep].at oi Lc�s 1 io �1 ].riC1451.:'J 5icc'r.s 21 tnrcurn , Bloc}: 28� In:^.shruc'.�c North To:mhouses 'ihird kdd=.�ion� size of gara�ess generall,� located on the i^+est side South o£ hieisier Road 1V.E. � ' ' . P �S �� �� ! �. - C:t CY;r�.:' � � :^E 20, .�.. -�so par:, r.i Lot 1, to allo:: ch=n�es in tn� of East �ai ari�:n Pass ar.d Air. Jim London� Pir. Jerry knderson and A.`r. Lorin �doods were present. 1�10'1'I0� Uy Yeierson� secend°d by Lan�enfeld, that the °lar;nir.� Coruaias:.on oren the Public Hearing on the censideraiion of a preliminar�� ;_at� P.S. �75-05� Innsbruck North Replat Third Additio±�� b}• Dar:el �i. Farr ieveior;.�^r.� Ccr^oraiio� . Upon a voice vot.e, all coting �ye, Chairperson ;:a:ris decla�ed the i'ublic Hearins . open at 9:U5 P•Ti. i�ir. London� representin� Darrel A. rarr Develop:�ent Coroorati.on, staied that , after talking to f•Ir. Anderson 2nd S:.^. �rdoods he would like c.o renuesi that this be trbled until the neat meeting of the Planning Commission as L'ne,y had some problems to worlc out at i;he Innst�ruck tvorth To4�iUouse Architectural Control ' Comn:ittee let�el. He said that these problems i��ould have to be xorked out before they could go ahead witlt their plan, or it would be withdraun. 1 � � � ASOTION by Lan�enfeld� seconded by Pet,erson� that the Public ??earinp on consider- ation of' a preliminary pl.at� P,S. ��76-05� Innsbruck Aorth iieplat Third Addition, b,y Darrel A, rarr Develo}:�ent Corporation� he t.aUled until the next Pl.�ming Commission meeting on Ju1,y ltt; 197G, with the 11i}�lic Hearing open. Upon a voice vote� all voting �ye� �he motion c2rried unaninously. ...-.T . Planninp, Commi.srion 1�ir�etin�; - June 23� 1976 Page lli 19r, tier�mar� said he had received some comments from townhouse owners, and tneir concern seems to be the lacY, of open parrin� und loss of som� of same with the proposal. 14r. London said it was so noted, �. RE�1UE5'1' POi? A VACATIOi; SAV (�76-Qi R'f R0:?E'.?T .`.C�aROER: V:}cate the street easement on tne Southrrly 33 lect o1' tine i:asterly 200 Sezt of Lot l�, Block 2� East ftanch Estates 5econd P.d�tion. Mr. Hobert Schroer V�as present. ��`7 Mr, t3oardman exnlained that this re�uest was brou,;ht Uetore ti:e Planni.^[' Cc;:^.�is�.io:� from the Speci.al Use Permit granted to Kennedy 'Pransraission Co^r.sn�✓, ?�d t;at Bob Schroer had submi�ted a req�iest ior vaca+.ion of that sireet. 1-'s. aoard:�<.n said Mr. Schroer had agreed to the easement of ;0' as recuested by tne Pi�nnir.g Commis�ion, :,nd the vacat.iori xas 1'or the 33' tn:_t w.en� trrou�n tne tr�.z=.r�i.ssicn company's pro^erty, 14r. Harris aslced ii there r:ere any Ii:aes oi any �or` in that 33'� and 1•fr. Boardman replied yes, the c_ty rould have tc :;uint-ir. for sanitary sewer. MOTION by Pe.erson, secanded by La7genl'eld, that the Plaimin� Co;.,:::issicn recommend to the City Council approval of ihe request for a v�cetion, SR'd �76-03, by Hoberi Schroerg to vacate the streei easement on tnc Souther'_;; 33 feet of the Sastnrl�� 200 1'eet ot Lot h, Block 2� Bast Hanch Es�•�.ies °eceud Addition, with the stip�lations Y'or dr2in2ge and utility easemcnts as cutlinea by StaSf, Mr. Boaraman said that it �.as his understanding that I•:r. Schroer hould eiiminate the proposed ,treet in the rear and all the industriai �T'OP�?'Lj� �.-ili be f'aced orf of Hur:chers F,oad. Chairperson narris said that perhaps at that time the�� should rake a r.ote and tie those split-off lots to the rear lct; som�hoYr, as the ab�ndonr;ent o� '.�e road idea would create some land-locked properiy. .�'s. Board_�:.�; said ti:a� �he city would maintain a road easement as iong as those lots �:ere r�aintained, and with a replat t.hat :oad xould be vacated. 'UF'ON A VOICE UOTE, all aoting aye, the motion carried un2nir..ous7.y. 5A. YOUTH CEnPER DISCUSSIO�� Mr. IVed Storla was present representiiig the Youth Project Comriittee. t-ir, k3oardman said he wante3 to apologize for not getting this on the a�,enda, Ae st�ted he was going to bring it to the Plannin� Commissiun aPter it went to all tlie member cor.u7issions� and it was overlooked. He added that all tlie menber conunissions have looked at the proposal and made their recomnendations to the Planning Commission. Mr. L�ngenfeld sni.d he weuld like to hear t.he motions from the }{uman Rescurces Commission and the Commw�ity Development Commis.^>ions to get updated. .� :�:. ��;i � July 20, 1976 Chairman � Planning Commission City of Fridley Fridley, Minnesota Gentlemen: This letter is to formally notify you of the opposition of the Architectural Control Committee (ACC) of the Innsbruck Plorth Toumhouse Association to the Darrell A. Farr Development Corpo_ation's intention to replat the third addi- tion of the Association to accommodate additional garage parking. Please be advised that the Farr Development Corporation fulfilled its legal obligations to the Association on July 13th, 1976 when it requested the approval of the Architectural Control Committee for the above replat. Approval of the replat was retused for the following reasons: 1. Represents a change in architectural character from the units pieviously built in the third addition. 2. Presents an appearance of "garage clutter" by obstructing the view of green space. 3. Creates the potential for paxking problems by reducing visitor parking. 4. Negatively affects the marketability of the currenC homeow-r�ers in the third addition. The ACC had the following verbal agreement with ,Tim London of the Darrell A. Faxr Development Corporation: "Should the ACC approve the proposed replat, the Farr Development Corporation would proceed with obtaining the approval of the Fridley City Planning Commission; however, if the proposed replat was not approved by the ACC, the Farr Development Corporation would withdraw its request for consideration of the replat from the Fridley City Planning Commission's Suly 14, 1976 agenda." Should a request for the withdrawal of the proposed replat not have been filed by the Farz Development Corporation, we should like this letter to be made a part of the record concerning this matter. Please no*_ify as to the status of the above mentioned repla[. Sincerely, i'�� . ��-�.�,,�'�.'"`- Je ry i3, Anderson Chairman: Architec[ural Control Committee 5576 East Bavarian Pass Fridley, Minnesota 55432 cc: Doug Van Arkel 3WA/mvb �:� � � i � Planni:� Co _ni^sion "`ectinP - A�iCur,t !�� 197� l. TA�Liin: PU?�IC ';.ARIIIG: COPISIDE[tkTIO;a or r. Il�::�i;liU(:!. 1dCi:`:':� NEYLtit '!'11Ir:i) iii�b.CPIG_i, �Y llA PLAT y„ Pnj;e .� �� CG.-.:i�;{;,;�;:;: _�'ir,g a repl::L o;' i,c::,:: 1 Lo q iuclusive� tslocrs u tinroug: 2, x»d also part of X.oL 1, 131oc1: 28� Inn:,bruck I4orth Townhouses Third Adaitior., to alloa changes in tne size of �;arages, �enerally located on th= �ti'est side of East L'avarian Pass and South of rleister Road Pd.E. Public 3ear'_ng o�=n. N:r. Boara^t2r. explained that Darrel k. Farr Develop.r,ent Corporation was tiying � to vork out some arra�gements with the Townhouse kssociation� and requested t:^at tais i_e�! be i;auled again. Mr, La:oenl'eld raised the question of how long soe:ethin� like this could be tsbled, end ;x. �oa:om3n replied about svcty days. . .*L^s. Sc:.naGel saicl s::e would 1:Y,e to relay something that she thought was re`.her �nte°�s;,i-g to the Coruaissicn. �ae said t?�at as she drove ouL ?3ortn L:nsUs°��k D^_v2� the i,ity of t:ex IIri�h�o:�'s survey crex a2s surveyin{; the rcad at th� ?rid'__y to:der. ?Mnether or not they were goin�, to do anything on it, she di^'s.'t '.�:�w, She 21so said she rrondered �,nethnr or not part oS the stip112Lion oS tne 7Frr°1 A. Farr Corporation proceedin� rtith building the i,ownhouses r.as trat t::ey s!:ould g:a3e out P:crth Innsburck Drive, and said it r�2s �er t:ndr-.rstand- ir.g tha� a cnlve: L should 'oe �•ut in the Zow sgot ti:nich water is drai�_in� into curren��y�. :•`ss. Sctmabel said tha± ner:�aps since they already have 3 110QP.�. bnilt �.:d i� was nearino f�na1 si;ages, they should be reappraised o£ Ll�at stipu3a'oion. T�L . Ber�r:an stated that each meetino the;t had this item on the a�enda, t,,ypically as nw�:ar or,e� a^.d e2ch rneei;ing they spent tire on it, He said 'ne wouid ii:;e it remo��ed i:om �he a�;enda until Darrel :arr Corporation indicated so:�e furti:er inierest. C:�air�ersor. ilar:is said 'ne thought because of the time element i.n�rolveaJ ssce iney -.:ere getting close to the tir.ie limit when they would have to rea.gly, theti should table it ;uitil the next reeting. MOTION by Bergmon� seconde3 by Langen£eld, that t;he P3anning Commission tabla tt�e 2'ublic ?:ear;:ig on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. /}76-�J5, Inr.sbr�i.^.k North F.=_pla� Thi_�d Ad3i�ion, by D�rrel k. F2rr Development Corporation, i._th tha Public _ear:,-o ocen, until the next regular meeting of the tlanning Co.,a79.ssion. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the notion carried unaninously. 2. PU3iIC L�tR�."i: RE�iUE:,T rCR A SPECZAL USE PF.i?17IT, SP. �7C�-11, B° JOSFFci SI':r�::u:.IO: :er rridley C�iy Code, 5ection 207.051� 2, A� to allcv t::e cor.struct.ion of a second accessory ouilding� a 21� ft. by 32 ft, dett:ched garage, on I.�ts 23 and 19, 91ock 8, Plymoutls Addition, the same bein� tt7?5 3rd Street 1Y.�. p1r, and Mrs. Josenh Siniga�lio xere preseut, Ai0TI0N t�y Schnahel, seconded by Ber�man, that thc Planning Co:nmissior, open the R.blic :iearing on a request Sor a spccial use I�ermit� SY fi7b-11, by Josep}i Sinigaglio. Upon a voicc vote, all VOL111�, i�,}'C� Chuirperson liarris decllrnd the Ptzblic Iiearing open at 8:00 P.hL =�_*� _ Plunnir�g Conunis.,ion Mr,ating - Aui;ust lU� 1976 Page ].1� " � � Yir. Bcr�;man �t:�t,ed thr;� had discu ;sr,d in CoromuniLy Devclopment a trap or an assumed mi:concepti.on: someone L:ies ,ub�6ruidard 1.ots to pcople o: low i.nco;,�e� and ihe,y a�;reed that r�as an a:>surnpti.on that rnay havc no valid.ity. lle sai.d that neoplc of' low inconie have rnany oth,�r opportuniti.cs for hoi�sinE,� ��d it � doesn't tluve to be that 9.f t}�e City doe.-�n�t allow ��cople to Lnild �n ii0� lots they r:ere d.iscrirninatint; against p�ople oS' ].oVi inco;ne. 1. Tb�i;.;D: FO�L7C ii;P.P.3i2G: COIJSI�i°"TIvd OP h Pi'.T7 T E�° 17A'� P`�_._ 7�-=%? IP �. � � �t�� - i �Jit7�4� '.rl YL ti 'TiIT,tJ l� ���1 i ��:7 � � i TlAi�:?.>,L r . ' .. !{ 7� . ,r L)�.���_— CO:tNJitF.i_0,:: :;�ing a ren7«t oS Lot, i to �ncLu;i�;_, :s or_;�., ?1. thrcurh 2b, and also part of Lot l, t�lock 28� 7nnct:rucK ;ic�rih 'Po•;mi:vuses Third I:ddition� to a7_].oia chan�es in t7e siz� vf g�'raf;es� f,c:nertali;,� loct,t.r,:i OI] %h@ i'i(,'St. S1C�E Of }�2_St R3V2T'1'LZl ud3:> �3I1Ci JUUAi.�7 Oi i:G7.�:.�'7' iiC'r:Ci �i.'.:. Public Hearing Gp°iz. ` 1•;r. Eoa.d;nan sta�ecl he had done research on this and tziked to Jira L::ndon on it. IIe sa.id th�t t;r. Lor_don ::as trying �o cenvi:,ce lia.rrel Farr to su:�z,�v a T'CQUESv rOr wit:73raiain� i.i�iJ.� T'EQllE'SL. i-�T'. �021'G�?�:��SP1 .,2.iCl Lt:2� 3� t177.° t_.:�F: �l; r�ould like the Plznni.ng Ca�:nissicn to reco:ra-�end thatcby ihe r.ert ^:eetinF; t:�cy expaci a reouesi f'or tri.thdrar��al on i�is item or the�: xi__"' ta:-:e act.ion cn _. C!�aira�rson Harris suggested it he rephrased tYi�:t the P�.�;n:n; �o�:cci;;si<:n -::ould table i,his item ::n'til the ne::t meeting and expect to ta!:� �c;,ion ... ..� �hsn. MT'. BOa?'d1."!a12 S��l,'�i t}1GI7 lf t�lE :1£iYiT]_li� COI:'�t1SS1CYl {:CC'.! �L'�70;� ?.":�'- CcEI;_.C-i �;lE request and if =t :;as also denied by tl:e City Cuc:r:c:l� than J-rre'_ =arr ccald not rea�}.ly fo: si:i�:r�onth period o� L�a i;r. �o .....,.� ..,.�t.ed :,,-, -..u.. �ii; e tne.y �,ould l:it7dr:>�: on this tecause Barrel'.arr and4t}:� `io�,;:.`_�,ous� .._s^�i�=..-�a� held completel.y ditferent views. Air. Bergman rec2iled that at the last meetir_g ihe state.*.!ent :•� :s �adc t;'?t :,::° �.OI7�L'Vlt.'y' Of c1 PEC�ABSi, 1i35 S1Xt.V QuJS, �3T', �.iO3T'uL:£Ul 58'1^ }'_2 �'.'cG G'�^:tc: iESP� :;:�ll on thai also� and Soi;nd there ;��as no li-it that �;as set on '.::�e �ub:ii�r cer '.o table, Uut there �.;as a limit set on tha Plzrming Ccm;,t�ssior, tc ac�. ?'r. �'c�er�on pcinted out tnat tLer. tl�ey couidn'i a�t. on this next time i` tne �et;i;�one:�� asked ior ii; +o be tabledt as 'r.e had t?�e prercFative t.o kee:� cel�,y-in;;. ?i.� Baardman said that �aas a�;ood point, �nd sn�gest.eri the rnoi.ic:� s�otilc.re�.ti �.`.'�: ,it would be taUled indefin�tely so il.at the Con�nission tapuldn' �: ave to r�,spo�ni to it a��3' �:or2. � T;OTIOI� Uy Peterson� secor.de3 by L�.nEenield, ihzt the PuUlic Hearin�, e;n cc:�s�der:+?.ion of a prelim_nar�r p1at., P.S. �°76-0>� Snnsbruck ;eo.•th Kep�at T��ird Ad.itior,, b}� Darrel ii. rzs'r Aevelopme�it Corporation� be tabled ind!��ir.5_,.el�� witil t�ic p�citioncr � asl:s it to be ;,ritlidraim or put bacic on ihe a�enda. Upon a voice vni.e, e1i vnt.i„� nye, tne moi:ion carried unanimously. � � � 1 2. Pi1;TT!` 1ii:.f�r �'�i��.E,eli]'�T R(lR A S?F�1�kT. 1"+F V,t�]�JJZ�S.P. .'�Z�?-1^i.1il ?',;.-J- YL'S)T4�.IP�iG�:��?�r�n;_ ���o �:rr;nit a �ilm processinf; dror-o!'1' booth� per Fridley Ci.t,y Code� Section :0>.101, 3� (3)� to be lecr>.t:,d on Lni, 1., 3�ock 1� S��lvmi liills Ylat 7� thc :,�mtic bein, Zltt3 ;:i.ssissippi 5trect N.I:. y,� '! t 1 � � � � � � � � 1 � � ` � �: 1 � , � OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WNOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing before the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Nall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, October 6, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for,the purpose of: Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. �76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addi±ion, by Darr21 A. Farr Development Corporation, Inc., located in Innsbruck Villages Addition and Outlot A, Innsbruck North Addition, to allow for a more feasible distribution of the same number of units in the development, with a minor change in the Easterly boundary of the p7at descri�ed as follotias: That part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, lying blest of a line drawn from the most Northerly corner of Qutlot C, _.; Innsbruck Village, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A, Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating, all lying in Section 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E. and ldest of the Black Forest Apartment. Anyone desiring to be heard �aith reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Pu6lish: September 22, 1976 September 29, 1976 RTGHARD H Chairman Planning NARRIS Commission JO ;,�� l �. � � CITY OF PRIDLGY MINNGSOTA Q�' ��6 /0 PLANNING AND ZONING 1�01tM NUMBGR � APPLICANT'S SIGNATURE ��F��� �. ��r. CJs�.�+n t,�.,,� Address 7a�?�Q 7�'^-J ��H�, 1•1� �!"r�pis S�S428 Telephone Number .c(oD 6/ r D PROPCRTY 019NER'S SIGNATURE �;,t�,,,, � �G�tye�-(,,.,. � Address � Telephone 1�umber Street Location of Property � Legal Description of Property . � 51 TYPE OF REQUGST Rezoning Special Use Permit Approval of Premin- �— inary $ Pinal Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Otlier Fee Receipt No. Present Zoning Classification �'?, Existing Use of Property � rn...�..-�« li:�``� Acreage of Property } j/ic�` Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed �.� �;�`,��E„f� __ �r c,-':`.�-F- {\- . �' � . � n ,. . .L:�:Ytli . �E�e.%„� '-t-;J 1 U� � ��� ' ...d .�.o_c�-r�.-e�.� %tt, t.eJ . Jt-ci<.C.sr,_.' % `L�a n � Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain� lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes no. 1Vhat was requested and iehen? Z- t � iThat part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, _� c�� lying West of a line drawn from the most � The undersi Northerly corner of Outlot C, Innsbruck Village, and o�aners of property within 30o to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A, is application. (b) 1'liis � Innsbruck Village dnd Sald line thet^e tet'mindting, erty, or an explanation � given why. this is not the case. �c� ,.��i,,,,,.,�„�,�,.� .,,. ,..., ,.efect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in question, Uelongs to the undersigned. � � � A�sketcli o£ proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, shoiaing tlie following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and froiit and siJe setbacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet). The undersigned hereby declnres tliat all the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. � . DATE�1,�:,d`' I.3, /a7�� SIGNATURE `\/�,>�, r: � � t"� ;'� ;�`%r.._ i (APPLICA:V'f j Date Filed Date of Hearing Planning Commission ApProved � (dates) Denied City Council Approved (dntes) Denicd , - � MAILIN6 LIST Planning Comnission 9/21/76 City Council P.S. #76-10, INNSBRUCK YILLAGES SECOND ADDITION Katherine M. Holum Mary DesLauriers 5585 East Qberlin Circle N.E. Fridl�ealdMnk55432sing N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Y+ Sid E. Berquam Margaret Hale 5573 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 5566 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn_55432 Mr. & Mrs. Edward Lethert Mr. & Mrs. Harris �onnenberg 1567 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 5562 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harry Wickstrom Mr, & Mrs. James Hulbert 1563 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 5558 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 � Timothy Jaecke 7559 North Oberlin Circle N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Marvin H. Erdman 1555 North Oberlin Circle h.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Peterson 5554 Watdeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Terry Anderson 5550 tJaldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Louia H. Richardson Mr. & Mrs. Duane Johnson 1547 North Oberlin Circle N.E. 1526 Bohnhof Juncion N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Charles Moore Mr. & Mrs. Vernon Rose 1539 Narth Oberlin Circle N.E. 1522 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Merle Grimmer 5571 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Fredrik Schiotz 5567 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley> Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Tufford 5563 Waldeck Crossing N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, Theodore Thompson 5559 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Lindstrom 5551 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Judith A. Leino 1518 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. J. Michael Ertel 1514 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Karren S. Anderson 1510 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Wayne German 1506 Bohnhof Junction N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Janice Root 1566 Narth Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55A32 ;; . �2 , � Mailing List P 5�76-10 Innsbruck Yillaqes Second Addition Paqe 2 � Chi Huu Nguyen & My Chau Thi Vu 1551 North Oberlin Circle Fridley> Mn 55432 � 1 Sharron M. Ke11er 1543 North 06erlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Jahn R. Ullom 5555 Waldeck Crossing N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gilbert Kinnunen � 1546 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 . � Mr. & Mrse Richard Anderson 5565 East Oberlin Circle N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 � � � � Mary F. Clark 5561 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Stephen D. Petersen 5557 East Oberlin Circ7e N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Barbara Brooks & Elaine Voboul 5570 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. Milton Bullock � 5674 Arthur Street N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Furek 5529 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Rodger Erickson 1562 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Darrese Herman 1558 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Lawrence Cipolla 1554 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Dennis Foy 1550 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Joyce K. Wennberg 1542 North �berlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Minton 1538 North Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Norman Hectner & Grace Wistrich 5569 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Donald Olson 5594 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Herbert B. Holtz 5590 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, Daniel Willie 5586 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Darrel A Farr Development Corporation Mr. & Mrs. Mark Krueger 7286 North 72nd Lane 5582 Meister Road N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55428 � Tnnsbruck North Associates 7286 North 72nd Lane Minneapolis, Mn 55428 Janet Windmeier 7300 Concerto Curve N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Hilmer Ferkingstad � 5589 East Oberlin Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs> Thomas lindstrom 5578 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Marshall Ginthner 5574 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Peter J. Kozlak, Jr. 5566 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 53 � � � Mailing List - P S #76-10, Innsbruck Villa�es Second Addition, Page 3 Mr. & Mrs. Ronald Rumpsa T481 Narth Inns6ruck Drive N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Orlin Wicks 1495 North Innsbruck �rive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Robert Yanicke � Minneapolis Field Office 8200 Normandale Blvd. Minneapolis, Mn 55437 � � Cheryl L. Nybo 5588 Arthur Street N.E, " Fridley, tdn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gary Samuel 1479 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Johnson 5659 North Danube Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Robert Olson 5643 North Danube Road N.E. - Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & fdrs. Myron Swenson 1496 North Innsbruck Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � � � I � Mr. & Mrs. Bernard Urbick 5837 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Michael Berchin 5829 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Jacob Wiens 5809 Arthur Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 �� m � � i � i � � i �i � . S:, 5��, � . %�'��":�`/ . ' �` ` P.S. N76-10 INNSBRUCK VILLAGES � . -y 13 Z - I .. � . �. 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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, October 6, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: Consideration of a Praposed Freliminary Plat, P.S. #76-07, Rottlund Oaks, hy the Rottlund Company, Inc., being a replat of Lots 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16 and V, Block 1, Spring Brook Park Second Addition, together with Lots 32 and 33, and the West 30 feet of Lots 34 and 35, Block 1Q, Spring Srook Park Addition, zoned P,D,(planned development), all lying in the South Half of Section 3, T-30, P.-24, City of �'ridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located between Ruth Street N.E, and East River Road, Nortfi of Liberty Street N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION Publish: September 22, 1976 September 29, 1976 0 �: ; , :�; � $ ,•r-t • . s,e ' � � � � CITY OP PRIDLGY MINNGSUTA PLANNING AND ZONIt�G i�0i2M NUMBGR - S- �7G -0 7 ✓���✓ ,c �y.� .�< '-_ AFPLICNJT`S SIGNATURE7H�' Ro 't C�c A �M� iidaTCSS �,�.�y1, e12-L'L�iL �� JLf�h N ��G.0 �✓I} Telephone Number_��J.. Qb� a T!E Ro7 aS(L�a�, � �,, � PROPERTY 014NER'S SIGhATllRH Address_P{�j, [ljo��. $20YZ�.���� WY,�.i.q Telephone Number S 7}' -• Street Location of Property � 5".' TY!'E OF RGQUEST � Rezoning _ SpCC1.11 USC PCI711it �_ Approval of Premin- inary F� Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other Fee ��G �JReceipt No. ��� j � ,fR�.. N� 8 i'' �" ! Legai Description of PropertyLp?�,� �`f/O ty/3��� /� 54�„K,#(�,�,� P,,,k2ry� � . Da 9 �•7�3R d�33 8�� �/b �F,�-.� f��.s!/ pR►if _'7 Present Zoning Classification�(�_Existing Use of Propert}� t.?�p��,,��� � Acreage of Property ��,� � � Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and i�nprovement proposed RGS�dt� T'�✓i �o�r.l7�ia�Tiuk � Has tiie present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or � variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes_�_no. IYhat was requested and wlien? � �. � � The undersigned understa.nds that: (a) a list of all residents and otaners of property w.ithin 3D0 feet (35D feet' for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (U) 77iis application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given wliy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of yroperty in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed pxoperty and structure must Ue drawn and attached, showing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structi�re on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names, 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (iaithiii s00 feet).. The undersigned hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this applicntion are true and correct. _ ,_ DATE ��^ 2 O " % � SI Date Fi led -� �-:l�1 j� Date of ❑caring "/�� ��' 7` � Planning Co+Nnission Approved City Council Approvcd (dates) penied (dates) pcnicd � � �: � hU1ILING LIST ROTTLAND OAKS, P,S. �76-07 The Rottland Company, Inc P.O. Box 32082 Fridley, Mn 55432 The American Oil Company 4940 Viking Drive Minneapolis, Minnesota 55435 � Mr. & Mrs. Gerald Hodd 8110 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 ' Mr. & Mrs. Herman Bourdeaux 8106 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. William Gorman 8104 Fairmont Circle NeE. Fridley, Mn 55432 hir. & Mrs. Michael Carrigan 8102 Fairmont Circle NoE. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Henry Maron 8111 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Fritch 8101 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, E. Paul Lian 11534 Yucca Street Anoka, Minnesota 55303 . Mr. & Mrs. Gregory Shipshock 8071 Fairmont Circle N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Curtis J. Kapperud 8057 Fairmont Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Sheldon Qlson 8041 Fairmont Circle N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Joseph Kostuck 8027 Fairmant Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Planninq Commission 9=21=76 Council Mr. & Mrs. John Walton 8066 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Thomas Christian 8026 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Mitche7l 8120 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gerald Carney 8125 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Margaret Mulrine & Janice Meyers 8135 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gentry Staggs 8121 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Carroll Davis 8111 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. Kenneth Jorgensen 8101 Ruth Circle N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrso John Lane 288 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. LeRoy Kochel 298 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert DeGardner 7950 East River Road fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs� Bruce Choromanski 299 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Randall Spencer 289 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � � .. _ _ � � Mailing List for P.S. �76-07, Rottlund Oaks Pa�e 2 ' Mr. & Mrs. James Horn, Jr. 279 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � � � � � Marjorie Hentges 269 Liberty Street PJ.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Eleanor M. Jones 259 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Erickson � 254 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Brustad 272 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 ' Mr. & Mrs. Charles Sprafka 280 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrse Duane Matzko 290 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � ' � � Mr. & Mrs. Azad Mesrobian 298 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Marvin Breiland 295 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55Q32 Mr, & Mrs. Mykola Moroz 289 E1y Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Russell Schlemner 281 Ely Street filE. Fridley, Mn 55432 � ' ' � Mr. & Mrs. .Robert freeman 273 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Curtis Wahlberg 265 Ely Street N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Charles Dumphy 8125 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Donald Livgard 8198 Ruth Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Rexferd Ransdell 404 Longfellow Stre�t NE Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Scott 391 Lonfellow Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Daniel Larson 385 longfellow Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Lundorff 7990 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Franklyro Taylor 420 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Leslie Shore 434 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Dennis Anderson 470 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Konstantyn Cherewan 440 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Randy Hoffa 8000 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Ronald Salo 490 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Waltace 8080 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Roger A. Fredrickson 799$ East River Road N.E. fridley, MN 55432 59 � i � �- . . ���� , , u,_,.. ; t°s;:..r� �T•J� c�r �e% �s.� ' 6/ . �-or. re7' � .... ' os.N- '- o s ' .. `� � �o ., i a37� . �y 08�• � . � /3 e , ; �x � 3 � 3 � 3 . 8 �d ` .� -� ��� 15� : + T . 3z �' � 7 : � � '+.; 6 �' 4'�a �� � P c 1a ' � �..3z--- � �,;,y°°" .^� � !7 ., . �o � x • o .p " � .s a� a�-, i� o .'� :.. ���.�� ` •-- a�ti �� � . . .. 1 .-,,-i,". .•,ro ,+, p^ '/y '�-� a.r.�. y����'' � 1�18 /7 i1 IA} 13 T:. `:Y � .�., .e'7}��� � � ( �~�.�. 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CF P.?s7.017I1';G THE P� Mr, David Rotter of &ottlundConst!-uction Company was present. IN T�1E Mr. Boardman explained that 1�ir. Rotter was �oing to come in for a replat on an area South of Sprin�brook Creek, and they want to discuss at this time the possibility of the Planning ComMission initiating a rezoning of the ?D district which is presently in there to P,-1. 9e said that most oF the property was zonecl R-1, and they vrould request that Pir. Rotter initi2te the rezoning South o£ ihe creek� 2nd the Planning Commission initiate the rezoning North of there. Chairperson Harris asked who otimed the property North of the creek at the present time, and t�;r. Boardman replie3 it i�tas. o�aned by various individuals and sin�le P�,ilies. i�1r. Harris asked ho��� this wound up as PD, and ',r. Boardrraz7 said tha� toon place quite a::hi:e �„o. He explained that at that time there was a proposal for a commercial develop�ent North oS the creek and an apsrtnent developme..t Scut}i o£ the creek, He stated he wasn't reall.y sure oS the. backgronnd on thai: zoning, but it �aas rezoned Lo PD so developers could deveiop uo�h commercial and industrial. i•Ix�. Harris asked t•rhat the zoning was previous �o that, and i•ir. 5oaruman answereci R-1, iir. Harris commented t?�at what tney were talking about then �:as reverting it to the ori�inal zoning. Mr. °oardman s2id that indications were that the progerty owners North of the creek tiaould not have any objections to the rezoning. Mr. Rotter said his comnany was o-nrner of the South section of this property and builder of the North section, He stated tnat in 1973 he came before the Planning Commissien to ask for permits to build single-family drrellings in the PD area, and he was granted them. Pfr. Rotter said he asl:ed them to leave the South section alone until they decided U�hat to do with it. He re£erred to the map on pa�e !t5 of the agenda, nnd said that South of the line which said 3$9 there �cas about a five acre piece o£ land. He stated he would like to rezone p��L o£ tnis or be allowed to build single-Samily drrellinp_s� leavin� lots 11� 12 and 13 in either PD �oning or ii-3 �onin� rather ;.i�an chan�ing it. all back to residential. AIr. Retter er,plained that one piece o: property abutted Sast River Road, and there i,as no access off Libert5> or Puth, and no access off the extension of Ely. He said that rather than leaving it as residential property and bring up three drivew�ys to East River Aoad, he was going.to leave that as either PD or R-3 zoni.ng and put something i.n there that Nould be condusive to the axea. He stated he did not ioanti to rezone the whole entire piece because tiiat would leave a dead piece of property. Chairperson Harris said it seemed to him the practical thin� to do would be to leaye it PD and have the developer brin� in a total plan on the whole area. Mr. Rotter said that was what he wanted to happen. He said they had already • ��� , � � � � Plannin� Cor;uni��ion 14eeLing - September 8� 7.9T6 6� .�,r,.,�, Pnge 9 tdr. Bourdman explained thnt this rras a request for a second accessory building to replace a garage that had burned docm on this property. He stated that the only question they rrauld have had on this would have been if the set back oS the new garage had been placed on the same foundation as the old garage. He said it was his understanding that t�tr. Belkholm had decided to meet�he setoack requirements instead of going through a variance procedure. Mr. S3oardman said City Sta£f had no objections to t�is requcst. , Mr. Belkhclm said the purpose oP tne request was to replace the garaPe that had been destroyed in ihe fire� and explained that his present setback was two feet short of what the req_uiremenis �aere now. He stated he had decided , he would reposition tihe slab of the �arage to take care oi that, so there would be no need for a variance. ' Nir. Peterson asked �:hat the added cost r,ould be by having to change the slab and foundation� and i�;r. Belkholn said it e:ould be around yb00 more. He said he 3mew a variance would be cheaPer, but other factors crere involved. He , stated that he tiaas coupling the increased size Frith the variance ch^r.ge t.hen he was stating tnis cost, hir. Eelknolm explained the garzge was orig�nally 20 x 21i� 2nd he iaas adding on ttao £eet� so the .�a600 involved the added increase in size also. I•1r. Be:gr!an asked if he was sa,ying he weuld preSer to relocate , it £or reasons of his ot-m� and Iir. Belkholn replied yes� ne felt it iaoulci be nore advantageous to move the slab. ' rSr. Peterson asked if it rrasn't for the va:•iance request ii h'.x�. Belkholm couZd just add the t*.?o feet to tl:e existin� slab and have the larger gas'age he �ranted� and Pir. �elkholm replied that r+as true. Mr, 7,angenfeld noted that this taas a detached oarage� and asked if it teoald be used prinarily for auiomobiles. As. Belkholm replied it �aould. I,r. Lar�genfeld asked t�hat the first accessory building oras, and Tir. Boardnan answered it was the gara�e that was 2ttached to the house. Idr. I.angenfeld asked iF the gara�;e would be constructed to be compatible to the house, and tir, BelY.holm replied it zaould be. Afr. Langenfeld as'r.ed if there t•ras going to be any form of cornmercial enterprise� and t5r. Belkholm sai3 there taouldn�t be. Mrs. Gabel asked what portion of the $600 extra he cras spending to rnove the slab, and 1�ir. Belkholn answered th2t the insnrance adjuster said w1t8�J wouTd Ue for replacing the slab. Mrs. Gabel asked if it �rould have to be reolaced at any.rate� and Pir. Belkholm replied it uoi�ldn't, it Vras just a c�atter of �a}�ati he decided to do rrit}� it. P;rs. Gabel cor.L;ented that she hated to see him snPnd $600 wnen he could spend $y0 for a varian�e. }ir, Peterson asked if there was a Special Use Permit for the building that h�as destroyed by fire� and tir. Boardman said there wasn�t. He explained it was there before the zonxng �ras passed. AfOTION b�� Langenfeld, seconded Uy Peterson, that the Pl�vming Cornmission close the Public Fiearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP r7�-13, by Kenneth Bclkholm. Upon a voice vote'� all voting aye' Cl�airperson Harris doclared tl�e Public Hearing c].osed at 9:z0 P.AL , Plannin� Commi�sion A;eeting - September 8� 1976 Pnge 11 i handled the tdorth section in this same Pashion� t�king out permits, without sub;nitting an overall plan. He er.plained he didn�t submit an overall plan of each hcuse sitting on each loC as such. � � , � � ' � , , � � �� � ' , ' ' Chairperson Harris said he wasn�t so hung up on the exact location of each Ntructure� but would li4;e to f�,no47 r�hat kind of sLructures the;� are� ii' they are single-fanil.y, etc. I�Ir. Rotter said he would be happy to do that. f:e said that �tith the PD zoning of tne property there was supposed to be some over.11 drawing of the pxoperty consisting of a'r,ere each unit r�as �oing to be� what particular size� rrhexe each drivc�ray rorould be located� etc. He said it iras pretty involved. He stated that he r:oald liY,e to change the street paLtern of �ly� pulling the er,�ension bac'r, and make it a cul-de-�ac. He added that the section containing lots 11, 12 a*�d 13 he w.anted R-3 !'or apartr�ents. NIr. Bergman said he didn't reall� understand rrho wants to r�;zone the Aorth part� who o:ants to rezone the South part, and �hhat the pu^pose would be in either case. A;r. Boardman sho,:ed him on the maa ti:hich area i•1r. Rot�er oumed and i•ranted to replat� an3 eaplained 'no�; ne ��anted to null nly Uack into a cul-de-sac to allo��r £or sing].e-fa��ily developnent oii o£ tn2t cul-de-sac, He also sho;�ed Vrhich proper't� tir. Y.otter iaanted to leave as PD. I�,r. �ergnan stated he dicin't understa.nd way 2 rezonin�. }ie said he thought the PD was establishea to provide flexibilit;,,�s 2rid asked if it vrasn�t t•;i.tnin i.,e context oS PD to constructJ r*nere a p12n so dictated� singie-fariil;,• homes. P:r. Boardm=�n stated t:�at 2'D in the code boo'.�c w� � very bulk�f �nd hard Lo adr;inister, f=:e said he thou;:�t it �:*as tne position of Ci�;� A:��ir.istratior. t':�t since Fair*;on� Circ16 is de•,-aloped R-1 proo�rty� it should s:cet the �or.in� require�cnts :o: an R-1 areas and iahen the plat irom Rottlundco:.es in it �nould �1so be rczcned to meet R-1 requir�:�en+.:�. i•:r. Bergmzn asked ii PD did,n't enco^�pass f?-1 reqpirements, 2nd I�;r. Bosrdnan said it isas casier to eniorce 2nd easier io administer under R-l. 1�r. Rotter sai3 they had develooed the North section under this PD developnent as residential 2lready, and thev i�rould be willing to £ollow. the san�e _`rar,:e�.ark, but they didn�t ti�tant to take a piece of orope:•�V tnat ra3 vzlue other th�^. as residential property and turn it 211 inLo R-1 zoning and 'nG�re to co�:e hack �a:c ask . to have it rezoned to R-J. i•;r, 3oa.rdman stated he �,*as not sa.ing that they mould be rezonin� the �ahole tnin�, but 2n,ything that was being develo�ed as R-1 should reall�� correspond to a R-1 district. t•ir, Rotter said that would be agreeable rrith him. He added he just i.anted to change tlte street pattern to facilitaLe the use of the pro?�erty as R-1, nti�er thar. tliat one sect.ion -,:i,ere he eventually r*anted to build some type of apar����ents or i,o`:°nhause, rir, Goardmau� said that the purpose oS t'.�e CI7.SCL'S51011 'r!AS to get tf�e Plann°_�:�, Commission's £eelings o» initiating a rezoninE, procedure oi the i'D property North around the Fairmont Circle-area. }tr. Eergman asked z.ho laould pa3� tn2 fee, and ASr. Boa:dman explained there tiauuld be no See if the City initiated it. Mr. Langenfeld said he looked up the PB District Regulations 205.12 and 205.i23, The Procedure for Establishing a Plv�u�ed Developnent Zonin�; District. }le stated that it looked to him like i.t took a lot of doin� and a greai: deal of time to obtsin this f'D zoning, and in going 1:hrouFh this he saw where they have � ) � Planning Commission t�eeting - September 8� 197� Pa�e 12 `�� 1 a preliminary development plan and specific plt3ns or stagr.s involved, He asked if this couldn't all stay under PD and this p�rticular development be considered � as part of the stages. He added that this was R-1 already� now it �ras PD� and Mr. Rotter wanted ta go back to R-1 again. :He siated he would like it zoned one way or another. � 1dr, Boardman replied that because of the bul.kiness of the ordinance the City said single fariily units could be developed in there v✓ithout having to go through the procedure of PD. Chairperson Harris �aid that he i�ould like to see some type of general ploti plan before they tooY, any action. hs. Rotter said he i•ranted to do a plzn of it� and this was just for discussion. T3r. Peterson asked if they were asking the petitioner to spend mbre money on rezoning than if he were io develop it undcr P.D., and i�ir. 3oardman said he thought something like this would have to Ue ioorked out as far as cost �oes. r1r. Harris asked where else the City had a PD, and 1�Ir. Board;nan said he thought this was the only area in the City. Mr. Bergman noted that F?r. Bo2rdrnan had said the area North o� the creek was developed, and asked rrnat public benefit iaould be served by rezonin�; the area around Fairmont Circle iahich was already developed. l�ir. Boardman anss:ered £hat it would stabilize ihe pronerty the houses were on. Mrs„ Gabel raised the ouestion of financing for strnctures in PA areas, and I�ir. Rotter reulied tha� there had been one ouestion raised ir,� an attorne,�• when the horth section r:as financed. He said he ha3 sho:=n the attorney t::e minutes o£ the Council meeting saying they �,�ould allo4:* the area to oe deceloned as residential even though it t:as PD, and he said that rras fine. Airs. Gabel asY.ed about the feelings oi the lending institutions, and Is. Rotter realied he had closed on all the loans himself and there hadn't been any problems. Mr. Langenfeld said that since it �as his understandinp that this u:as the only PD area remaining in tl.e City� one advantage in granting the, request iaould be eliminatir.g another portion of the ordinance to deal l:ith. .�`s. Rotter s2id ' he didn'L i�ant to cnange it, but iaanted to be allo:�ed to hnild houses in the area. He explained i£ the property was all rezoned back to R-1 he would have to come bacic in at a future date and ask for still another rezonin� in order to build the apartmen�s. ASr. Ber�man asked iS ',;r. Rotter Mas in a position to c�:.cae in :a:tli a.rel?^�nary plat, and l�ir. Rotter said he could do that. Ae said it was platted no;, an3 he just tiaanted to replat it. }ie explained he iaould just be changing some of the lot sizes, and all he really wanted to do was chan�e the street. Pir. Peterson Said that then the zoning request was really a Staff recuest� and Alr. Rotter suid that was carrect. Pir. Peterson asked what the additional cost i:o�l�dabe to the property oxmer if he.reaoned, and t?r. Boardman said about $1'�y �• �{r, gpardman said the only other way the,y would do it would be ior the City Administration to reouest the P1<3nning Coi�:nission io petition for rezonin� on the entire PIl area. TIr. Rotter stated he thou�ht tliat was ridiculous. :�3Y P]nnning Commission 14eeting - Septcmbcr 8, 1976 Pa�e 13 �� Chairperson Iiarris said the problem he saw with the whole thin� y�as tne City Council had set a precedent. lie said he thought it would be very dilfi.cult to requi.re the Ylanning Commissi.on to initiate a rezonin� without the neti.tioner's concurrence. Nr, fSoardman pointed out that t}Sey had never done it beTore� and Mr. Harris said he u�ould like to tall; to ar� atturney Lefore they got too far down the line, Chairperson Narris su�gested that tir. Rottor draw up a plan and Uring it in for them to look at� because ri�;ht noca the,r �rere ju�t battin� at noonber,ns. 19r. Rotter said that ��rhatever r:as decided, he wanted to get it expedited so some engineering wor'.: could be done by early sprin�, Ne added that :�e vioiil.d bring in what he wou:td like to do and lei the Comnission review tbat, bui he woulc3n't be here to rezone the property unless it was the only way he could get residsntial an there. , ASr. Peterson stated that.what bothered him :ras that it rras a StGTf situation � maY.ing a decision over something tnat had 'neen done Yor t:�e Sta;P's con•�enience. Ptr. Boardman said that Stai'f was not mak:.ng a decision, just a reca�.TMendation. MOTI0;1 by Langenfeld, seconded b,y Peterson, that the Pi�nning Coc��nission tab7e the consideration oi rezoning the PD District (Plar!ned Develo;,ment) in ihe E100 block East of East River Road to 'i-1 (sir.gle-Sw�ily d•�•reilin� areas), uniil the necessary information vzas recei�ed to make a proper decision, Nr...'s�^gnan said h_s only comneat ��;as tha�� rie .:as a little unco�!iar�able wit,h this: UPOP,' A VOICE YOTE, all votir.� a�e, the motior. carr>ed unan_-�o;<s�Y. Mr. Boardrar, said that at this time he would like to add to tne agendz Item 16� a Discassion on the Beer Ordinance, as P;r. i�larvin Brunsell �.aas present to give them ad3itional information an3 answe^ questions on this topic. Ci�airperson Harris said it would be in order to suspend the rules and take up Item lb, MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Plannir.s Cor2mission suspend the rules and t�ke up Stem 16. Opon a voice vote� all voting a��e� ti:e motion carried unanimously. 16. nzscusszo?�� c?� �::r� c�?n��nr���; F;r, Brunsell si.ated t'r.at this had been before the Pla:�ning Cocunission, and it came Uefore tliem Lecause oi' the fact that the City had a problem iaith issuing a beer on-sale license at a particular locat�.on for a particular kind o£ event. He said he didn't believe that norr�ally the P nain� Commission would be involved with str tly licensin�-type situ ons. He said this one was sort of a zoning type of ti' and hola th y controlled it, and that was apparently how it got to the Plannin� ion. AIr. Brunsell said th. e Plannin Commission, xs he recalled, gave appirova7. to nn ordinnnce th went to the Cit ouncil, nnd it was passed on the firsC reading, H�d that before it came Ua - to th� Council, A;r. Herrick redrafted the ordi�ice based quite a bit on a mo3e1 rdinance and substantiall,y chv��;cd the ax`dintince the Ci;.y Cuuncil acted on. ]!e sta;.e9 tt�at the Council now passed � i � � � � � � � � � � � � � . , �� � , se OFFICIAL NOTICE CI7C -0F FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, October 6, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: . Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S, #�6-09, Deleier Addition, by Donald M. Leier, being a replat of Lot 32, Auditor's Sub- Division No. 129, to allow the development of 3 R-1 Lots (single family dwelling areas) and 4 12-3 Lots (general multiple family units) all in the North Half of Section 12, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located in the 150� Block between 73rd Avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Publish: September 22, 1976 5eptember 29, 1976 RICNARD H. HARRIS CHAIRPIAN PLANNING COt�iMISSION -�.�v; � -,N, > � � NUMQER�����'fly ci�r or r•ato;.eY asiN�.�;so�rA PLANNING AND ZONINC rORM TYPE OP REQUBST ��- 69 APPLIGANT'S SIGNATURG ,nG�H�L�� �(�jQ. y's Rezoning ; . � 5-S`(! Z AJdress �� G% -- 3 `���I/� �A% /U:L : �/^���o � Special Use Permit Telephane Number �,��— �-��^�j �� PROPGRTY O14NER'S SIGNATURG , �a_�i!/ C� e i Address �,�C��,,,_q �.Approval of Premin- inary $ Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other Telephone Number ,p�R,,� ' ,� � Fe��G' �Receipt No. �'���2 Street Location of Property Legal Description of Pm�serty ���' 3 Z /��„��„r� Su�� ��% Present Zoning Classification��3 Existing Use of Property Acreage of Property Z Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type . �f use and improvement proposed 5�./p —�,ca � , ) c %Yl �, ) �"i ,,, �,o C' cr.����G _ ,L c!%5 Has the present appli-cant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or ' variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.of it? yes_1Cno. {1'hat was requested and when? r �' The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and otitmers of prcperty within 300 feet (350 £eet for rezoning) must Ue attached to this application. (b) This applic�tion must be signed by all o�uners of the property, or an esplanation given why tl�is is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resultirig from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property o�aners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketcli of proposed property and structure must he draian and attached, sho�ving the � ' following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of nroposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (ivithin 300 fect)•� •The undersigned hereby decl�res that all the facts and representations stated in tl�is � application are true and correct. C_ � DATC �� �j' �G SIGNA'CU2F; �f� ( PPLICA� .f) , Date Filed _ ___ Date of llcaring �L�!`. �� �l %{n ' Planning Commission Approved City Council Approved (dates) Ucnied [dates) Denicd MAILIN6 LIST #76-09. Deleier Addition Donald M. Leier 519 3rd Avenue N.W. New Brighton, Mn 55112 Mr. & Mrs. Stephen Klick 1535 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 K.B.M. Investment Company 3005 Ottawa Avenue Sout{t Minneapolis, Mn 55416 . � Mr. & Mrs. Vincent Tappe 1600 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � ' � ' ' r � � , � ' , , Mr. & Mrs. David Tyree 1641 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridiey, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. 2obert Persgard 7430 Lakeside Road N.E. Fridley, tdn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Everett Schmidt 7400 Lakeside Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Anthony Bourdeaux 1533 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. �ick Gregor North Branch, Minnesota 55056 Mr. & Mrs. Chester Ewer 1565 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Steins, Inc. 1420 West 3rd Shakopee, Minnesota 55379 Mr. & Mrs. Keith Porter 1620 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Marxen 773 83rd Avenue N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55432 Planning Commission 9/21/76 Counci1 Mr. & Mrs. Lawrence Alpert 1500 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Klick 1506 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. 5teven Nalepka 7360 Pinetree Lane N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Koroschetz 7350 Pinetree Lane N.E, Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Paden 1533 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Roger Pfeiffer 1510 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Schlemmer 7361 Pinetree Lane N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr: & Mrs. John Eggert 7351 Pinetree Lane N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. Harold Blomgren 1530 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Rueben Nordin 1540 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. David Machart 1545 73rd Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 . Mr. & Mrs. Roy Scherer 7418 t4cKinley Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Earl Follmuth 1621 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � , � � � � � � , � � � � ' ' �� � � � Mailina List, Pa4e 2, P.S. �76-09, Deleier Addition Mr. & Mrs. John Gorman 1611 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Locker 1601 Onondaga Street N.E. Fridley, M� 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Peine 7419 Lakeside Road NE Fridley, Mn Mr. & Mrs. Clayton Borchert 7437 Lakeside Road N.E. Fridley, Minnesota 55432, d{� , � , � .3t: €� �. ; . . , ,,.:r. I ,. b� � � � c Y � �V _ a r r. : N � ) �i .{ ' � � �' � O �� �� � �" � � f6 ' � }� � � �� �A � i� � � � !, 6 h . _ � N � � � � � • , _._ p \ � �.�./vw.f LJ � , W:/ �J J�� _99la : rr �i .., _"'."_._ _ �::?FO. 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Cs. : �� f � n � � ; . i � ___� "t� 1 I� 1 TG fl9A0 ..- IryV.89t.0 (4C10) ,�p2 � ; ., ,,. - .� . ,- �_ __- -- ------�-- -.__�__,.�q, s _ _ ��t,_._� � _---,, �-�_,� � N , � _—_ . r�i':rii;-� i� f�Yl ic' ,.__.. � �f5 6B LOT SPLI7__I�PPLICATIOfd CITY OF FRIDLEY �I � o-c n. a� e 0 y, o � � ,r, � �� � •� � 3 � +5 N � � � v, s o m o •� +�m� 0 0 rl U� r1 Ri u `¢. N ? R UI i� cd O U O F1 �-i P+ m � � , , APPLICAP�`P: Renneth A and I(aren E. Gasper ADDRESS• `JO1 Rice Creek Blvd. :�' E. Fridlev 5��+32_ S �-o��,t City Zip Code TELr.PIiONE �� 574-� 7s1-�o61 ex 6�Jnn Home Busines� PROPE.41'Y OWIdF.�i(S� . .� �e� , -,.•� T ,,�c-`� �'o ..,_Gexald_`s. _:,��:�n4a_�. Davis-. /�� /G �- ��� E . io ��� �1E �� � TiSP: 0"!T Applicant's tiamc Kenneth A�,Gas�er Lot Sp1it �f � -� _'- � �= C 5 Date I':iled: Fee:��oi�'auHeceipt �� Counci7. AcLio.n:Dat.e RI]�'1l�FtICS : rC�, I�DDRESS(ES�_ 185 �ice ^ aev.,•-; .Fri�ile- i- — Street City Zip Code l g g•.g;v� ��: � -r..'ll�i �..:i;v cL'on Street City `Lip Code TELEPI�OI� ��5�_57�w n �7c ���n Home 3�usiness Property Location on Stree� or F�cact Street Add'ress �IF AI�'� Between 475 Rice Creek Blvd and 501 Rice Creek Blvd. N.E. Legal Descrip�ion o£ Property: See attached sheet Reason fos Lot Sp1it: The applicsnts Wish to plrch�se the land as it is a flat area that their �+ chil�ren cou�= usa for recreational activ�ties such as catch. Araa SU t 'Lonin„ Cla�:;i.�:ic� tion ' ' The undersi�ned hereby declares that all the i'acts and representations state3 in this application are true and correct. � DATE: ����„/9 %�n SIGNATURE �n _'�, ,�l ,'VlY n.�n o/l / i REi�OiJ POR CITY USE ONT,Y ' PT,ATS & SUBS: Date of Co.nsideration - Remarks: (See reverse side For additional instructions YLANNING COPS'MISSION: Date o£ Co.nsideration - Remaxks: CITY CO�JNCIL: Dute oP Co.nsideration - Remarks: � ' ' � � , t ' ' 1 ' 1 1 1 � 1 1 ' 1 INVOICE 485 TO Kenneth and Karen Gasper SOi - Rice Creek Bl.vd. Fridley, Minnescta 55432 This fnvoice serves as your receipt for purchase o!: the South Section of Lot 8, B1ock 1, Holiday Hi11s £rom Lot line to SS' North. Attached is the certi£icate of Survey with area marked in red, Purchase price is $30.00 per £ron[age fooL- x 55' _ $1650.00e Purchaser agrees to update his title. Mschael and Ruth McNiff 3-,�% � �� / 485 - Rice Creek Blvd, /j�' /lii. �'���� !//;4��� Fridley, Minnesota SS432 l� � � - �r0,�.. �,i� %J � � , .. ...: ;:__._. r.: .�,.s�� � .._ �.. „. 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Eleeir asa:grts, t7ie s:crcico: of said parties, ¢nrC Uie Tasirs attd �AROKe f the mn•icror, Forrzzr, ¢2E We tr¢eL..._. or p¢rcel...... oJ lan�l iaing ¢nd Lcina in the Conr.E� of .._..........._........_..._..._._.._..._..___.._...and Stale of .YinnemF.a, deam•ibul at folioms, ta-�uit: Lot 9, B{oek 2, Holiday Hills; and that part of �ot 8, Dlock 2, Holiday Hil!s, lying Southerly of the Follovrinq descr(bed Iine: Beginning at a point on the � Easterly line of Lot 8, 15 feet Northerly of the Scvfherly corner of said Lot 8j thenee to a point on Yhe Ylesterly line of said Lot 8, Ij7 feet from }ha r.wst Southerly poi�t of lot 8; artd that part of Lot 8, Bfock I, Hotiday Hills 2nd, lying SoutheasteNy of the follo�xin9 described line: f3eginning at a ooint un the Westerly line of said Lot B, 20 feet �orthr;esterly of the Southerfy corner of sald Lot 6; tl�ence to a ooint on the Easterly line o! said Lot 8, 99,65 feet ft°om the most Southerly point of Lot 8, Anoka County, A1i��esote, accor6ing to Yhe duly recorded map or piat ihereof, Subject to restrictions, reservations and�or easements of record, if any, �i..... 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The total assessmeni costs of water; sewer and storm sewer under Project �1119 and street improvement under Street Ymprovement Project ST. 1916�1 for said property w911 be � t i, 9� s' 4-5— 2. The roadway width serving tfiis property will be 25 feet with concrete cur6ing an8 blacktop surface. 3. We have received a fair market value offer of $� E> l. E�, from the City fer dedicating the easterly e4ghteen feet of said property (which is presently a private roadway easement) to the City of Fridtey for purposes of street and utility construction, and we accept that offer. 83 ��-. 'T H 1 S c� s r f� p xi-,�r�+�>4• �-�N 7 c s ����c� e�-,: 5 i `- f j! F� Lj '% !(�= r`� f`nr �'i �` --1'y Lr✓ J�._ % c✓"y' L' -� `T 5 c i,-` �-7 � �� f 'T !-�i � C' / i ;� G•.:-zri zp � : j L-� : !�-c� P�'o (''c�-t= i' a `� w= � s �T � %") `��yc� r�-y� � s� �� � � � �� - F' c-� T �T r �%�; �� �.��� � c�: .; s-, �- � ; c� s <«� r 1 f'vu�<.t � �-71 C'-�'7��,j i/ ,V.? �u�,�. �� �� �-f� �,�� J � „ � , �� � � � � � �� , � CqR�RRiITY DEVELOP'MENT COI+AflSSION MEETING SfiPTEMBBR 14, 1976 ., Mi21BER5 PRESENf: Herman Bergman, Dennis Schneider, LeRoy Oquist, Hubert LindbLad �BRS ABSENT: William Forster OTHEBS YRESENT: Jerry Boardman, City Planner CALL TO ORDER: Chaixpersnn B@rgman called the meeting to order at 7:37 p.m. APPROVE COt�ifTNiTY DEVELOPMENT COMPffSSION MBETI�AIG MINUTES OF AUGUST 10, 1976: MOTIOti by Dennis Schneider, seconded by Hubert L3,edblad, to approve the minutes as vritten of the August 10, 1976, Community Development Commission meeting. IIpon a voice vote, al2 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman stated that, regardiag the zoning code review on garages, there was a decision at the Planning Commission level to send ehat question to the Human Resourcea Cao�mission so that the Human Resources Commission could also review the garage proposal and City Staff is still researching. Mr. Bergman stated that a teaCative �eting has been set with Council on 40 foot lots for Ehe fourth Monday in Novamber (November 22, 1976). RECEIVE SIGN QRDINANCE PR03ECT COMPIITTEE ?fYNUfES OF AUGUST 23 1976: ?HITION 6y Dennis Schneider, seconded by LeRoy Oquist, to receive the minutes of tde �ugust 23, 1976, Sign Ordiaance Project Co�mittee meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. DISCIiSSION ON STATiTS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE PROJECT COMMITTEE: Mr. Schneider stated that he thinka the Sign Ordiaance Project Cwmittee is getting to the point of getting down [o brass tacks and starting to put together a list of apecific recarmendations with regard to ordinances. They are just about through sll the goals and objectives. He said they have compared the Brooklyn Park and Golden Valley sign ordinances. He said they had some good input from Mr. Ralph Carpenter, who is planning to show a movie at the nex[ project commiCtee meeting ahout a new eign. : COMM(JNITY DEVELOPMENT COHAIISSIQN MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1976 Page 2 Mr. Schneider explained some of the different ways o£ determining size of signs. Mr. Oquist stated he doesn`t like to see signs, especially the Menaxd's sign. He feels companies should not advert4se their merchandise on a sign. He teels all signs for businesses should be strictly business signs and not advertising, and he felt they should be restricted to size, Mr. Bergman stated that he thinks the reason Fridley needs a sign ordinance is because of the conflict in opinions of the non-businessman versus the desires of the basinessman and his right to a Cype of free speech which advertising is. Mr. Oquist stated that there should be some kind of restriction and the communi[y should have the right to put the restriction where it can legitimately be done. He stated that he liked xhe Brooklyn Park sign ordinance as it seemed to be very restrictive and seemed to have a 1ot af things which could be enforced. Mr. Schneider stated that the Brooklyn Park sign ordinance has not been adopted yet, but that, according'to Ralph Carpenter, the sign companies also seem to like that ordinance. Mr. Bergman stated that Columbia AeigAts are redoing the3r ordinance with prime empha4is on a more restrictive sign ordinance to help eliminate some of their sign problems. Mr. Oquist stated he felt that was relevant as Columbia Heights zs Fridley's prime neighbor when it comes to continuity and Central Avenue transition. Mr. Schneider stated that every cogmanity puts a size limitation on signs. There is the vezy real possibility that iE a sign company contested a size limitation in court (they haven't) that they could, in most cases, be ruled arbitrary. The general tone oE the sign companies is that they want Co do business in a community anQ they don't want to go to court unless the community puts them out of business. Mr. Bergman stated that he was impressed with how the Sign Ordinance Project Committee is coming along and is hoping that within the next couple of months, something from the project committee will be coming to the Community Deveiopment Conmtission Eor review. DISCUSSEON ON STATUS OF BIKEWAY/WALKWAY PR0.TECT COMMITTEE: Mr. Bergman atated that he had requested copies of the "Bikeway/Walkway Systems Plan" for each Commission memher. He stated he would like the Commission to study this plan more in preparation for a meeting with Mr. Vern Moen within the next eouple of months to discuss the position and program as the committee sees it and as Mr. Moen, as chairperson, intends to proceed. He also suggested for review, along with the "Systems Plan,^ the "Project Committee Description of the Bikeway/ Wa2kway Project Committee of the Community Development Coamiission." r � � � � � Ij � � ��p �-:s.�':� �:i � _ . . ... . . . b.Y._,..a ....: . ... . ..... . . .. . .� COt�MUNITY DBVELOPML�NT CQPAfISSION MEETING SEPTEN&3�'dt k4 1976 Pa e 3 . . — - . ..+�,-. g � Mr. 8oardman stated that the Bikeway/palkway Project.Committee vill probably not be a very active committee--meeting only once or twice a year. They will then meet � athen needed. They are set up to establish or review ss�y modifications or changes that wou�d come ahouC to the bikeway/walkway syatee�. The chairperson or Coum�unity , Deve'lopmsnt Conmission decides when Che commfttee shonld meet. _� � � w � Mr. Schneider stated that he has had same requests asking how to go about getting somethiag changed in the system. There shoald be same procedure ahich would trigger a meeting of the project coumittee. Mr, Boardman stated that the people should send in written requests to the City Staff who.would turn them over to the Co�unity Development Co�ission for review 8ad Ehe Commission may then reconmend that the project committee meet. He stated there is one problem with the cammittee right now and that is they are missing one m�mber. He asked £or any recoomendations the Co�issi� might have for a replacement for Hoberta Spaeth in Area 4. Mr. 13oardman stated that Stage 1 is pretty much completed, They have the correct striping aitd bicycle stencil on the county roads. They are still lacktng on the crossing of Locke Park, on East River Road to get scross Glen Creek, and have not yet done one on 53rd Avenue. They are looking at Phase 2 for 1977. Phase 2 is mastly bike routea--strictly signing along the road. They have an application into the AepartmettC of Natural Resourcea.for $58,040. This $58,000 3s for contact points. Yn oCher words, they have laid out six areas where they need to develop in order to tia the developmeut together. Locke Park is prioriYy #1, the one connecting Locke Park Trail north to Osborne is priority #2, and the East River Road portion 1s priority $3, Mr. Schneider asked about the poseibili[y of putting directional arrows on the bike routes se tLere are numerous adul[s and children going the wrong way. Mr. Boardeian stated he could see no difficulty in doing that. It wauld only be a mattei� of making up another stencil and putting it down each time a bicycle stencil is laid down. � Mr. Oquist atated hYs concern about people walking in the bikewayJwalkway lanes. ` He wonders what problems they could get into over this. $e asked if there was going to be a provision in the ordinance to say that padestrians 6ave the right-of-way. Mr. Schneider broaght attention to the recommended ordinance 505.11, page 46, of Che "Bikewap/Walkway Systems Plan" which reads: • "When a bicycle is heing ridden upon or along a hikeway/walkway path, pedestrians using such path shall have ehe right-of-way and the operator or rider of setch bicycle shall turn oif such paEh ar disawunt to yield auch rfght-of-way.° Mx. Oquiat stated that publicity to the public Y�8 People. this is an ordinance that siill have to have a lot of as the majority ot the people using it are going Co be � : COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMlSSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 14, 1976 Page 4 Mr. Bergman stated that he is bothered about the fact that the typed ordinance recouanendations have not been promulgated hut there are bikeways. ' Mr. Boardman stated that they did not put it together; it was sent to the Police Department, who put it together, they sent it to the attorney and some changes had to be made, and then it was sent ta the Pol�ce Department again. Mr. $ergman stated thaC maybe the Commissi�n can look at the state of the ordinances He again stated he would like each Canmission member to look the "Bikeway/IJalkway Systems Plan" over along with the "Project Committee Description of the Bikeway/ Walkway Project Committee" for the next or following meeting. Ae believes Mr. Moen intended to call a meeting by late tall. Mr. Bergman said he would talk with Mr, Moen for any involvement, input, or suggestions of review that this Commission wants. DISCUSSION QN C�P1iJNITY DEVELOPM&NT COMMISSION CHARTER: hlr. Bergman stated that he had hoped for a tull attendance to discuss this subject. He stated he did not have anything specific in mind other than a consideration that the Commission might be wise to review what Lhis Commission is doing compared to what it has done, For that purpose, he said they do have a Commission Charter. and a list of "Community Deveiopment Needs" which came about as part of their'goats and obje�tives. The Commission did move proposing,Erom their view, a lis[ of goals and objectives. He asked Mr. Boardman if he could get copies of those. Mr, Bergman suggested that what the Commisslon might be wise to do is just readdress where the Co¢�mission is in compari:son Co-those things--strictly a review of progress or directivn. Mr. $oardman stated he was not.sure where something like this would go as Planning Co�ission is still working on their goals and objectives. Once those are established, thett this Commission will get iavolved in the impiesentation of those goals attd objectives. He doesn't see, at this time, what the purpose woald be or the functions would be to review the goals and objectives that this Commission sent to Planning Coum�ission until the Planning Commission has time to digest and establish what they feel are the goals and objectives of the coumiunity. Mr. Boardman explained that what Planning Commission has dnne is take all the fnput which came fran the member commissions and has established five basic goal areas in whieh they will be deveioping goals and objectives. These goal areas are housing, htiman development, security, vitality, etc, They are now establishing goals and objeetives for each of those areas, The purpose of establishing goals and objectives is to es*_ablish a basic broad framework to follow in estabifshing policy. That framework should not be the type of framework that would become obsolete after a year. The goals aad objectives should remain sound, What wi11 change will be the policies and the policy decisions, which can beeome obsolete. He stated the housing goals and objectives have been established. . � � COMMiTNITY�D$VELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1976 Page_5 .. . Mr. Bergman stated that he doesn`t feel the Community Development Commission should sit and mait for sanething to come back from Planning Commission. He can see no resson why the Commission cannot review its input and maybe decide to take some action on sane or revitalize something. Mr. 5chneider stated that he agreed with Mr. Bergman. He is interpreting Mr. Bergman to mean that this Commission is not limited in any way--that it has a whole broad range to look at. Mr. Bergman stated he felt it was in line with the Coomission's responsibility and with.Charter and makes practical sense that this Couanission could initiate an isaue, In that context, he has asked Che Commission to look back at the goals and objectives. � Mr. Oquist stated he agreed with Mr. Boardman, Since the Co�ission does not knov if those are their goals and objectives because the goals and objectives were only inputted to Planning Commission, the Cou�ission does not know if all of them have � been accep[ed as co�unity goals and objectives. He felt they should wait and review the housing plan which has been approved. � Mr, Bergman stated he would like to request as information or a reminder to the Couan�aity Development Commission members that along with Che agenda for their next meeting, Mr, Boardman include a copy of the processed Co�unity Development Commission � goals and ebjectives for refresher, review, or discussion. He also co�mented that the.housing maintenance code would probably conie bacic to the Commission by the next meeting. � Mr. Bergcnan stated that he Y:ad hoped Mr. Forster could have attended the meeting as MY. Ber�an wanted to talk about the co�issioners' attendance at meetings. Ae feels attendance has been poor and that the Co�ission is somewhat handicapped by � the lack of fnil attendance of inembership. ihe Co�unity Development Co�ission has the poerest attendance records of the commissions. He asked the members individually to try to improve on their attendance. � � � � i AD.TOURNMENT: MOTION by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by Hubert Lindblad, that the meeting be adjourned at 9:06 p.en. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Che motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submftted, Q�[���. Ly e Saba Recording Secretary b :, �'_ y � z,� � �.. � . � .V, b :-:. : � � . �- . . � fi . -�. . _ ..� . . _n xY.c: `�" - { � . J,*� . �, .. �«1 , , ti . . � �fr�� �� � ` � St ' �� ' �M'� sf� � . ? -... . . . � :,: "s, ' � '� , �� �:- _ ' � > "�` : . : - � ,a a+a, ., - . . 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'� s . _ . . �:-c :-€'t- _ �s�c - � 4 � -`�.� �� S "'�.: ; �t »x :i :' a;', ,� ,.�,. � F ' '� i ��u � � � � � �"-.. 5 �i �'. # . • .� Y ,A,. ,. »• `� Yu_: . j £X �'s � � � �� � '�� F� � -. �. £ � � . . ',- �L • .3. �2 / { � � � � a � } 3: f � � � � }��.� �t . � y yp� Ri .g. .�F�; ,� n � .. . . .. .'y.°xc`" �.'.`,. . . e.. .. . ,-A . � , [1 , � � , � � � � ' ' ' ' ' ' , � � ., EAST RIVER ROAD PROJECT COPrI111ITTEE PREZIP,9IIdARY REC�T�'�idDATION TO FRIDiEY EA'VIRONNIENTAL CODJdISSIOA' September 21, 1976 Due to fast developing events at the Anoka County Engineering office, the East River Road Project Committee feels it necessary to submit an interim report and a list of recommendations formulated after reviewing information available at this time. Additional information is expected regarding relative traffic counts on the three��~terial north-south highways, r^.A.U. funding criteria, N;etro Council comments on our proposal for..an environmentally upgraded drive, State iiighway Denartment standards for speed limits, etc. As soon as the new material is received and reviewed, the Committee will submit a revised report i£ necessary. *'Attached (John Fessenden map of East River Road from I�fississippi to Charles Street) � � , ' , , � , 1 � , _, � � i ' , Backpround Information East River Road was widened from 2 lanes to 4 in 1957 when 47 and 65 were both antiquated roads by comparison to their development today. At that time there were i'ar fewer homes along 1 95 the road than at.present. Since then permits were issued for people to build homes while county and city officials knew of tremendous projected volume increases on the road. ti�lhat was a passable design for a road in 195? is now wholly inadequate. Today's commuter volume and today's residential demands require a 1976 solution v+hich fits into a 10 or 20-year plan for the development of Anoka County and the City of Fridley. tiJhen the �vest Ri}�er 'rY�eeway ar.d Northtown Corridor are completed, East P,iver Road will be the unly available road ior use as a scenic drive. Un2ess, that is, wz turn it into a`quasi-free�vay now. East River Road Role in f��ovinP riorth-South Traffic i . h;innesota Highway Department projections show that traffic in the M�ississippi to Georgetown segment of �ast River Road will drop from today's 20,000 or so, to a 1985 rate of 9,000 cars per day. This drop �vill be caused by road developments which they plan to compZete over the next 5 to SO years. Opponents of plans to reduce traffic volume on East River Road say that as the nor�hern population grows, East River Road will have to share in handling the increasing traffic load. They say there ' will be no other roads to take the additional volume. The Project �I [I Committee suggests those critics take a look at the State Highway Department's projections. ,�� 2 ss Traffic on East River Road is currently very heavy. The Committee believes this is caused by hi�h �peed Iimits and very few semaphores or other- hindrances to flowe A cownt oY semaphores on University, Central and East River Road from Sta Anthony Boulevard to Highways 10 and 132 show that East River Road over a distance of 7.2 miles has 7 semaphores and 2 traffic controls at schools, University has 14 semaphores in 7.6 miles. Central has 1$ semaphores and one railroad crossing signal in 6.7 miles. The course of least resistance by a substantial margin is East River road. �A comprehensive plan should be drawn which will gear the development of East River Road to the slower pace forecast for it by the 5tate. It would certainly be wasteful to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars destroying the environment along the river only to have a useless, empty strip of concrete in five or ten years. Environmental Problems and Recommendation A. On many days the smell of exhaust gases on the road is very strong. It is recommended that emissions tests be conducted before any modification to the road is approved to be certain that the modifications are consistent with the findings of the emission. levels. B. Noise levels are horrendous. Noise tests should be conducted also. C. East River Road has grown without the benefit of planning and it shows it. The County engineers have gone out of their way ��� , ' � ' ' ' , � � , , ' ' , ' � � , , , 3�� to stress that they have no plans for East River Road even now. The road is an eyesore that blights Fridley and Anoka County. The comprehensive plan for the development of the road should be drawn with input from �idley engineers and a citizens' group. The plans for the road should provide for a beautification program, which adds shrubbery, trees and bike paths, and gradually does away with power lines, billboards, etc. D. Residents west of the road find their children cut off from parks and other city prograr,�s by the deadly East River Road barrier. Pedestrian buttons on new and existing traffic lights, in combination with walks and bikeways and safer �raffic speeds_would alleviate this problem. The Bikeways Committee, one of our members reported, sought to design a bikeway for East River Road since bicyclists now use traffic lanes of the road to travel between neighborhoods. Because of the current problems with traffic on the road` however, it was decided ta route the bikeways elsewhere. This means that bicycles will still be present in the traffic 3_anes of East River Road. It seems the only solution is to alter the road to remedy the traffic problems so that the Bikeways Committee can properly route bike paths to take bicycles out of the traffic lanes. E. Residences, especially south of Mississippi, are too close to an extremely high ��olume road. The arrangement is unsafe for children and too noisey for conversation in homes adjacent to the road if a windo�v is open. Cars periodically hurtle off the road into residential yards. Because of the speeds at which they are 4 traveling, these cars go a long way into residential property through fences and trees before stopping. ..� The Committee recommends slowing down the traffic and containing it within hazard lanes. Traffic Safet,y Problems and Recommendations A. The number of accidents has been reduced recently through the efforts o£ the Fridley police. They have patrolled the area so thoroughly that average speeds have come down. The reduction in speed coincides with the reduction in frequency of accidents. A study of where accidents occur on 47, 65 and East River Road shows that there is direct relationship between high speed zones and high accident rateso Fridley policemen say that lowered speeds would be enforceable even without physical changes in the road. Bo N:any accidents �n East River Road occur where cars are attempting to make lei't turns without the benefit of left turn lanes. Left turns are especially dangerous because vehicles are moving in both directS.ons at highway speeds with few breaks in the flow. A car waiting to make a left turn is in danger or being hit from the rear while a car knifing through a gap in oncoming traffic ' risks a head-on collision. �ther vehicles, pedestrians, fences , ' ' and houses are imperiled by the dodging and weavin� that results. `Phe Caunty suggests left turn chanelization and medians a:,� a remedy. The Project Committee agrees. The County also suggests traffic lights.at key intersections to create more breaks in the 1• � 99 traffic. The Project Com;nittee agrees, And nobody denies that lower speeds would make collisions less lethal. , C. Because East River Road is now a four lane expanse of tpavement with high speed limits, motorists are tempted to forget � � � , that vehicles are likely to emerge suddenly from behind snowbanks and blind intersections. High-speed roads are not usually designed so that this sort of thing can happen. �otorists don't expect to find school buses stopped in a traffic lane and routinely drive through the extended stop arm. On at least one ocoasion a car rear-ended a bus that was stopped, with lights flashing, loading school children. 5ix-year-olds on snowbanks, ten-year-olds riding � the edge of the traffic lane on bicycZes, pedestrians waiting on the centerline for a chance to finish crossin�, all startle , • i5f motorists and cause them to swerve into adjacent lanes. Although it would appear that children are the ones in danger here, commuters actually suffer the injuries. To date they have usually succeeded in not injuring children but have overturned their automobiles and collided with or sideswiped others. and a lot of pets, of course, have been hit by cars. Some chi2dren The Committee recommends that the speedway appearance of the road be altered so motorists are not tempted to endanger themselves and residents. D. Current pedestrian crossings marked by signs and painted hash maY�ks on the pavement but not controlled by tra?fic li�hts are dangerously deceptive. If a child ever attempted to use one o£ these during a busy time the results w�uld be catastrophic. , . � , .� . These orossings should be upgraded to have traffic control li�hts. r,-,� , 6 10� E. City buses use the road and provide an excellent service to the city and neighbcrhoods to the north. The buses do present '- a hazard now, but the Committee's plan provides space for them to pull out of the traffic lane when stopping. �'he various county ' ' v , � I � � � , , l� ' J plans provide the same feature, but the county plans require wider.ing the road by 35 feet or more, v�hile the Committee's plan requires 7 Peet of widening. F. Although we currently have two lanes of traffic in each direction, we have buses stopping in the right lanes and cars making left turns stopping in the left lanes. The Committee's plan . :�. provides sheltered left turn lanes and hazard lanes on the right for buses and stalled vehicles. Even though the Committee's plan calls for one traffic lane in each direction, it should be obvious that this change does not represent the severe constriction of the road that is at first apparent. Northtovm Corridor The Northtown Corridor freeway with a bridge over the river to a l�Jest River freeway could be the ultimate solution to the most annoying traffic problem in Fridley. It could be, that is, if used to relieve pressure on the Fridley thoroughfares. An exit to East River Road is currently provided for in the most recent Pvorthtovm Corridor plan. An exit there woulcl ensure �',s �. 1 , 101 F continued fighting over the future of East River Road. The City of Fridley should make every effort to prevent construction of a cloverleaf or exit there. � Summar,y � � �J lJ � � , � 10 Not enough lights - most acciden�s occur where left turns are attempted without traffic lights. Lights shouZd be added at 63rd, 69th, 79�� and 132• 2. Slowing dovrn traffic is iMperative. No matter whose plan is accepted, accidents can be expected to continue - children, dogs, many intersections, blind cu�ves, all of them cause accidents in residential areas. Cars traveling at 3Q mph cause far less damage than those traveling at 4j mph. The County engineers agree with this, the P'ridley policemen emphasi2e it. The City Council should ask for reduction in speed limits from the State. � 3. A lane between where people drive and where they walk is needed. This type of lane is known variously as a hazard lane, ' , ' , � ' shaulder, or transit lane. The plan offered by the East River Road Project Cottunittee provides for a paved 10 £oot shoulder and paxking lane on each side while widening the road only 7 feet. 4. Left turn channelization and medians are needed from Georgetovm to F'oley 3oulevard and can be installed without widening the road more than 7 feet. � �� 5. Existing lights and all the new lights should be operated by timers to produce breaks in the traffic at regular intervals. iNhen there are enough lights the timers can be coordinated to hold traffic within the speed limit as they do in Dlinneapolis. 6e All lights should have pedestrian buttons and "No Right Turn on Red" signs to safeguard pedestrians and bicyclists. 7. 14ith 30 mph traffic moving in one lane in each direction and with left turn channelization, bikeways could be safely and inexpensively constructed along the road from Georgetovm to the northern border, a tremendous asset for the metropolitan area. 8. These recommendations are substantially less expensive than any other plan for modification of the road available today. 9. East River Road will continue to be a thoroughfare. Lae L3 feel that to recommend that it be converted to a sleepy side streel; restricted to resident traffic would be unrealistic although there are many who advocate �his. East Itiver Road can continue to serve the northern county and develop into an asset of the metropolitan area if safe volumes and speeds are achieved, and if it �radually takes on the appearance of a parkway. � )��! S%/,'.rl"7 �� � __ o , ;o ,� ', 1 ~` c, �, ; � i � ; ,;, i .� � p ' , „ _i� . � \ �' � _ �� � % � ' �' � � � � � \=( o �', P�' � , � �' d`� �� ' � ; ��� ���; ,a �a , d _o� ,. °� � - = _�---- �s - �--[� 7`. �D � � O ❑ tj � i ti? : D- �' �,i \ ` �' -r ❑❑ `� l�, � o� �,7 _. � -- , � �,Y � �'_�❑❑ � � V � � \ �Y ' � i' 1 a o q �� `, „ , � � �tiR: —,; ., ` ; _� J C] (p `� J`� �i � � �— e —� �o� 1 ' � go:� � FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBr."R. 28, 1976 MFaiBERS PRFSENT: Schnabel, Barna, Gabel, Kemper ' MEi�fBERS ABSENT: Plemel OTH�S PRFSEidT: Ron Holden: Building Inspection Officer The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Schnabel at %:l�5 P.M. APPc20'JE APPEAIS C0��IISSION T?INUTBS: �EPTII�BE.R 15, 1976 Mrs. Gabel referred to the second paragraph on page 11 and the statement she had made that it was encouraging. She explained she meant it was encouraging to see fees lowered where they were higher than the actual costs. MOTION by Kemper, seconded by Barna, that the Appeals Corunission approve the minutes of the September 1S, 1976 meeting as amended. Upon s voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried ��nanimously, l. REQUEST FOR VARIANCES OF THn FRIDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLOidS: SECTIOn 205.0�3� 1�� Az TO Rr."DUCE THE FRO:r'T YA.RD SETBACK FROPI TgE REQ'JIR� 35 FEET TO 1t.5 FE�T TO ALLOW T?�E COi:STRUCTI0P1 OF AN INGROUND SI+/'L�II•fIidG POOL, AND SECTION 205.11t3, 3� TO I9CREASE THE !t `r`OOT hiINIP'Ni4 HwIGHT OF k rEtiCE IN THE FRONT YAR.D TO 6 FEET IN C?TJnR TO COi?PLY YdITH THE FE;,CE R::QUIHr"',r�:r'T OF THE SWI�IISING POOL OFiIIINANCE� AI.L IACATr,D ON LOT 12, 9LOCK 1t� BROOKVIE'.d TERRACE SECOND ADDITIO:�, THE SAt� BBING 999 OVERTON DRIVE N.E., �'RIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (Request by Mr. 8:r;rs, Robert Tonczak, 999 Overton Drive N.E.� Fridley� ;•iinnesota 55�32). MOTION by Gabel� seconded bg Barna� to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. pDAfINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIcT��h�PTT: Section 205.053� It, A� front yard setback oi 35 £eet; Section 205.1�3� 3 si�c foot fence requirement around swiimning pools. Public purpose served is that the front yard £ence and structure restrictions tend to keep front yards more open and aesthetically pleasing. B. STATED HARDSHIP: The front yard is the only place that the owner can construct a pool� and if he is allowed a pool he needs a six foot Fence to meet the City Code pool specifications. � � � , 1 ' ' � � � ' ' ' , � ' ' ' -�� Fridley Appea2s Commissfon Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 2 � ��� ' � � � , , , � r� � � � ' C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: This front yard is not typical in that the house faces the side of the lot; therefore� the fence and pool will not be in the front yard now used as front yard. However, it would lie in front of the home just East of the applicants. Siaff feels ihe variances should only be granted if the homeowner at 9$3 6Bth Avenue has no objection� since it would aFfect them the most, There is no logical compromise avai].able. Mrs. RoberL Tomczak was at the meeting to present the request� along with Mr. and Mrs. Dan Ault� 973 68th Avenue N.E.� the adjacent neighbors. Mrs. Tomczak showed the Board a plat with a rough drawing, and explained what she and her husband wanted to do. She said that if Mr, and hirs. Ault were not agreeable to the proposed plan, she and her husband agreed they wou13 not build it. She asked Px. Holden how far a pool had to be from t:�e existing property line, Mr. Holden exp2ained ii was considered an accessory ouilding so it would have to be at least 3' £rom the property line with a ver,�fying survey� or !t� feet without. a survey. He said that since there was no verifying survey� it would have` to be 1�=� feet £rom the property line. Airs. Tomczak stated that their existing fence was l� #'eet in £ro:n their property line� and would have to be extended, She explained they we;e proposing a 36' kidney-shaped pool, and showed how it would fit on their property and where the diving board rrould be. rlrs. Schnabel asked if there was a 3' deck requirement, and Mr, Holden replied there was. Ae said there was approximately 12' from the curb to the property, and another 1��' to the pool edge, so there would be a total o£ about 16�� from the curb to the pool, ' Mr. Ault stated that one of.his concerns was that the fence frould obstruct the view, and there would be a problem going in and out of his driveway, Chairperson Schnabel asked what type of £ence the petitioner was planning on putting up, and Alrs, Tomezak replied a board-on-board, the same type tney had at the present time. Airs. Schnabel stated that chain-link fences rrere also legal at 6'. Mr. Kemper said that this had been discussed severaZ iaeeks ago� and it had been decided a chain-link £ence was climbable. `�frs. Schnabel said it was the Building Inspector�s feeling thai a toddler would not climb a 6' fence. hirs. Tomczak stated she didn't feel a chain-link fence was sa£e, and she didn�t care for that idea. Mr. Barna commented that vertical board-on- board fences that gave no toehold were preferable. , Mr. Ault said that another concern o£ his was if he would be allowed to paint or stain his side o£ the fence. He said that they hadn�t yet reached an agree- ment with the Tomezaks regarding the fence in the back yard, and there was , some concern about the fence in £ront. He explained that he would like to stain the fence to match his house� but the Tomczaks preferred to ].eave it natural. Chairperson Schnabel stated it was the property owners responsibility to ' maintain the fence� unless the £ence was right on the property line, Mr. Holden said that if two neighbors put up a joint fence together� then they shared responsibility of the fence; in this case it would be the responsibility of the CI ' ' , � , ' � ' ' � ' � � � � ' 1 I � E�c,■ ' � ' Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 3�Q� � o�.mers. Chairperson Schnabel asked if adjacent property owners had any protection � against an unsightly fence, and Tir. Holden replied that accordiag to the complaint procedure the City Staff could discuss the matter with the adjacent , property owners and try to settle any questions. ' Mrs. Gabel said that this seemed to be a matter of one person liking the fence stained and the other person liking the natural a£fect� and everybne was entitled to their pre£erence. Mrs.Ault stated there would be a problem ' staining one side of the fence and not the other. P1rs. Tomczak said they could discuss that� but if the pool didn't go in the £ence would never be stained. i9rs. Schnabel asked if the existing shrubbery would have to be removed iS' the fence r:as extended� and Pirs. Tomczak said she thought it would. ' She added that the two large lilac bushes would have to be removed� but she hoped the smaller shrubs could be transplanted. Chairperson Schnabel said one concern she had Prom a safety standpoint was the encroachment into this area as far as driving dotim the street was concerned. Mrs. Gabel asked hovr many feet were actually going to be added on to the ience going toward the street� and i;rs, Tomczak replied about 33��• Mr. Kemper asked if there were any other variances granted on the street, and Mrs. Tomczak replied there weren�t any� and the houses 4rere in a£airly straignt line. Mr. Kemper com�ented this might be a rather severe visual encroachment for that street� and I•irs. Tomczak pointed out that they could put up a �t' fence if they wanted to. t4r. Kemper stated that the purpose of the ordinance rras to maintain an aesthetic open area, and this request was violating thai. Mrs. Tomczak commented they had not lmown until this came up that their side yard was actually their front yard, rirs. Schnabel asked how mucn traffic oras generated on 68th Avenue in terms of cars or children� and �Irs. ^lomczalc replied that a survey had been taken on Labor Day and in 96 hours there had been 3�� cars. Mr. ICemper asked tir. and r5rs, Ault i£ they had reached any kind o£ conclusion regarding their objections to this, Ntr. Ault stated that they had a natural concern, but they didn't want to limit something that so:�ebody else wanted to do. He said they wanted to be good neighbors but they didn't want the pool to detract from their property. Chairperson Schnabel asked if they had any particular feelings on the board-on-board £ence being extended down versus a chain-link fence, rSr. Ault replied that they would prefer a fence similar to the existing fence� but their concern was about staining it so it would blend in with their house, hirs. Ault added that she was also concerned about children being able to look down the street £or cars if there was a lot of snow piled up there. Mr, Ault stated that he had been under the impression that i£ he signed the release for the Tomczaks to build the pool, then he could stain the fence to match his house, hirs. Tomczak said that was fine� but her husband�s concern was that if the Aults moved.then they would have to keep maintaining the fence. Chairperson Schnabel also pointed out that if the Tomczaks should sell their house, then the new property otianer would also have to maintain the fence. She suggested that i£ the Tomczaks would be agreeable to allowing the neighbors to stain the fence� and they in turn were agreeable to the construction of the pool, perhaps they could reach a happy medium. Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page � ��1� Mrs. Gabel asked the Au1ts if they could speciiy what their Feelings oiere, Mr, Ault replied that they had no objections to a pool, but they were concerned with the location and the view and the fence. He stated the� did not want to object to someone doing something like that if tlie City agreed it would be in the best interest of the City and the property owners on the street� and he would leave it up to the Board, NIr. Kemper asked i£ they had the decision to build that pool� would they or would they not build it. Mr. Ault again stated they didn't object to someone buzlding a pool, per se� but they were concerned k�ith the location. He said he didn't ]rnow k*nat impact it would have on his property, but he thought it might make it more di££icult to sell, He added that they didn't want to be the ones to say yes or no� and felt it was some- thing the Soard had to decide. Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ it would be less objectionable to the kults £rom an aesthetic standpoint if in addition to staining the fence there 4ras some plantzng along the side� and hlr. Ault replied that was what they would do anyway. Nirs. Schnabel asked i£ in addition to the aesthetics� they vrere also concerned about the safety factor, t�frs, Ault replied th2t as a mother she �aas concerned about the vievr being obstructed in the winter and the children not being able to see cars coming. i�:rs. Schnabel corulented Lhat she £elt 121�� would be ample room to plow the snow. Chairperson Schnabel stated that if the Board decided to approve the request and there Vras no dissention from the neighbors, Staff, or Board, the Tomczaks could proceed caith constructior.. If there i•.as some objection, she said� then the'r!.quest would go to the City Council artd it k�ould be reviewed one more time� and their decision would become final. Sne explained that was :rn5- they vranted to lmoia how the Aults £elt about it before they took any action, and they wanted to make sure everybody had an anple opportunity to express their feelings. I✓;rs. Gabel asked when construction on this i-iould be started if a variance was granted� and rlrs. Tomczak replied they wou2d start next �.�eek. Airs. Sctmabel asked if they had talked to any of the ot}�e: neighbors, and Mrs. Tomczak answered that she had talked to every neighbor i�rithin 200� and no one else expresse@ concern. hlrs. Ault 2sked how the pool was going to be enclosed� and :�;rs. Tomczak shot�red her where the fence and gate would be. Chairpe^son Schnabe2 asked i£ they would have to enter the pool through the gate also� and P-irs. Tomczal: replied that was correct� there would be no direct access. P1r. Barna asked ii the poo7. area could be seen #'rom the kitchen crindo;a� and Mrs. ^lomczak said no, only from the bedroons. PIr. Barna asked how long tney had been planning this� and Pfrs. Tomczak replied since July� but they had just £ound out that their side yard was their front, yard when they talked to Darrel Clark. MOTION by Kemper, seconded by Barna, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� a21 voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. � A4r. Kemper stated he had a very severe concern about the amount of visual encroachment there woul.d be along 68th, He said they would be moving a structure out to 12' £rom the curb� and it would be the only structure stickin� out along � the street for several blocks, Air. Kemper said he had a stron� concern that they would be seriously violating an ordinance that said that shouldn't be � � ' , Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 done in the City of Fridley. Page 5 � �� , Mrs. Schnabel asked if the £ence across the street was 12' back, because in her mind that didn't seem like it Kas terribly elose to the street. Mr. Holden looked through the records and returned to say that there was no verifying survey £or the house across the street £rom the Tomczaks. Mrs, Schnabel looked , through the file on that house� and said it didn't tell them very much. 5he said they would have to proceed without that visual image in mind. ' Mr. Barna stated that his major concern was that there were thousands o£ lots like this in Fridley where the Front yard was the side yard� or vice versa� and although the si•rimming pool itsel£ would be £lush with the ground� it was , still an accessory building, He said that i£ they granted a va:iance for an accessory building in this case� they might be opening it up for garages and other structures in front yards. , ' , ' � ' Mrs. Gabel pointed out that it wasn't the Tomczak's Fault that it was their , front yard by a technicality, and Chairperson Schnabel said that it r:as an unfortun-, ate thing the shape of the lot created the problem. , , Mrs, Gabel asked if it would be conceivable they could nut up a�' fence on the property line and put in an above-ground stirimming pool. Chairperson Schnabel said that a six foot £ence krould be required. i�Irs. Gabel asked ii they would also need a variance for an above-ground pool� and Isr. Aolden replied it wo�?ld be treated the same rray. Mr, Barna said he objected to allowing a variance for an accessory struoture in a front yard. ' , d d b K r that the A eals Commission recorunend to � MOTION by Barna, secon e y empe ,_. pp , Council� through the Planning Commission, deni2l o° the request for variances to allow the construction of an inground ss.*imming pool. Upon a voice vote, ' Barna, Kemper and Schnabel voting aye; Gabel voting nay� the motion carried 3-1. , Chairperson Schnabel explained to hirs. Tomczak that tnis would go before the , City Council on the 18th of October, and she could present ner plans again at that time. 2. REQUEST FOR A VARIAIr'CE OF SECTION 20S.OS3� 1t� A, F�2IDLEY CITY CODE� TO RIDUCE THE REyllIRr➢ FRONT YARD SBT3ACK FRQA4 35 FEr.T TO 20 F��T, TO ALLO?r' THE CONSTRUCTIOid OF A D;:�LLING AIv^J GA.�AGE, LOCATr.-'D ON LOT 9, BIACK l, HEATHE� HILLS S�COND ADDITICN, THE SA:•IS BEING 6180 KERr2Y LATdE Id,E., FRIDLEY i;Ii+ivFSOTA. (Request by i�lichael E. 0'3annon� 5298 Fillmore Street N.E.� Piinneapolis, Flinnesota 55421)• The petitioner withdrew his request as he had designed a house that would come iaithin City Code. L_� , , ' , � , �'�f^ ' Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, �976 Page b � ��� , , , , � � , � , , ' 3. REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.0$3� 4� A, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO RIDUCE THE REQUIRED FROPiT YAFtD SETBACK FROM 3S FEET TO 20 FE3T� TO ALIAW TH� CONSTRUCTIOPI OF A D;�..LLIAIG AND GARAGE, TACATED ODI 7AT 10, BIACK 1� HEATHER HILTS SEC01dD ADDITIOTI� THE SAI� BEIIdG 6170 KERRY LAI:E N.E.� FRIDLEY� MINNESOTA. (Request by Michael �. 0'Bannon� 5298 Fillmore Street N.E.� Minneapolis� Minnesota 551t21), MOTION by Barna� seconded by Kemper, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voti.ng aye� the motion carried unaninously. ADMINISTRATIVE STAF`F REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY R��UIREP�fENT: Section 205.053� 1�, A� front yard setback of 35 £eet. Public purpose served is that the front yard setbac� restrictions tend to keeo structures back far enough to attain adequate open space ior aesthetic purposes, and also to make the space in £ront o£ a garage door long enough to alloror the parking of vehicles without encroaching into public right of way. B. STATED HARDSHIP: The grade o£ the lot ma;ces £urther setback require a very deep footing and the cutting Of t41U large oak trees. C. •A"'1IIdISTRATIVE STAFF REUIEW: This lot does fall away from t:�e street. Therefore� moving the construction back on the lot W0111C1 result ia tne lowering of the rear footing. Ho�aever� we £eel a home can be designed that c�ould fit on the lot that would not encroach into any required setbacks and iaould not be any further back on this lot with respect to the rear line of the house. We feel that the Corrunission will have to hear the petitioner�s reasons for the request� and receive the comments of the neighbors and then make a determination on the matter. Mr. 0'Bannon was at the meeting to �resent the request� along with i•ir. Ron Cadarell� 1293 Brighton Square� New Brighton� who would be the owner o£ the house Mr. O�Bannon presented the plans to the Board and explained that although the ' house vJOUld be 20� from the lot line� there i•ras a steep hill and it was wooded, He shot•red where the large trees were situated on the lot and how the house would £ace, and explained there was also a 10' boulevard so the '�ouse would ' actually be 30� from the street, He stated that he c•ras asking £or a 1$' variance because there was a steep grade in the rear, and as the house sat� the basement would be sitting out of the ground. � Mr. $arna noted that the property in back o£ these lots was park, so there would be no more lots behind these. Chairperson Schnabel noted it was 20' back from the garage side� and actually 26' back from the living quarters. ' i 1 Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 7 � _"•_'� Chairperson Schnabel asked Mr. Cadwell how many cars he owned, and he replied he had t.ro and had no plans to have more than that. He explained it was a four-level home� and showed which level would be at the ground level. 2-Ir. Cadwell stated he and his wife had been working with Mr. O�Bannon since last November and had discussed several dif£erent p1ans� but this was the one his wife liked. 1•IOTION by Kenper� seconded by Gabel� to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Tir. Barna stated he did not object to this encroachr.ient into the front yard as in the previous request. :ie explained that it was in line with the type of structures in the axea which were varying in their distance £rom the �treet� and he felt this made £or a very nice looking area. AYr. Ker�per stated 'ne didn't Feel they were violating the intent of the ordinance with this proposed variance, Chairperson Schnabel said that Staf£ had felt there could be another home designed that would fit on the lot with no variances� but tne petitioner had stated they had worked iv°ith a nw-�ber of dif£erent plans and this one £it their needs the best. She stated that while there may be another plan available that would meet code� it might not meet the petitioner's living requirements. Mrs. Gabel said sne agreed that there were areas where a little well-planned variety was a good thing. MOTSON by Kemper� seconded by Gabel� that the Appeals Corrmission approve the , request ;or variance. Upon a voice vote� a11 voting aye, the raotion carried ' unanimously. 1�. REQUEST FOr2 VARIATvCra OF THE r""'i.IDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLO;lS: SECTIOI'a 20S.13S, 1� (E,3), TO ALLO'vJ Or"F-STREc,T °f�'?KPiG TO BE TrTITHIN 0 FEET OF THE LOT LIP1E INSTEAD Or SBT 3ACK THE nE�Ul:tr.D y" FEET� Ai�TB� SECTIOid 205.135, 1, (E�it)� TO ALLOW O.FF'-STREFi PARICI1dG G,ITHIId 3 FEET OF THE PIAIPI BUILDIPdG� IidSTnAD OF SETBACfi TH :�QUI3F,D S FE.��71 � BOTY. TO ALI.O.•7 THE COiv'STBUCTION CF A SPECULATNE BUILDING TO BE LOCAT� ON LO'1'S 3, !� and 5, BLOCK 6, ONAlIAY ADDITIOPd� T;IE S'�'in BSING 7760 B�ECH ST�EET N.E. � FRIDLEY� P:IidNESOTA. (Request by Paco, Incorporated, 5920 Kirlcwood Lane, t:inneapolis, Piinn. 55l�27 ) . MOTION b� Barna� seconded by Gabel, to o�en the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting $ye� the motion carried unanimously. ADPIINIST�TIVE STAFF REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPO5E SERVED BY REQUIRII�IEDiT: Section 205•135, 1� (E�3)� Prohibit- ing parking any closer to a lot line than 5 feet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to provide for protection of adjacent propertg oamers from vehicle encroachment and to allow for a landscaping strip between properties. Fridley Appeals Commission 14eeting - September 28, 1976 Page 8 �»-�- Seetion 205.135� 1, (E,�), prohibiting parking any closer to a building than 5 feet, Public purpose served by the requirement is to protect the building from unnecessary maintenance due to vehicle's hitting the building. B. STATEb HARDSHIP: Land cannot be built on to meet code. C. AD1iZNSSTRATIVE STAF'F RSVIE?4: Staf£ feels that a full 5 foot divider strip should be maintained ai the property line� thereby reducing tne parking stalls to 18 feet in lengtn and the driving area to 19 feet in width. A1lowing the variance of 5 feet to 3 feet for parking area adjacent to a huilding would enable this to be possible. Mr. G. W. Paschke was at the meeting to present the request. Mr. Paschke stated he didn't know oi an;,�ahere in Fridley where tnere was a 10' strip between joint parking lots� and explained the problem the neighbor would have if there was a 10' strip. He corunented that 181 £or a par!;ing stall was awfully short� and a 10� island do���n the middle tiaould be nothing but junk. Chairperson Schnabel said that they were talking about a landscaping sti•ip, but Pir, r'aschke said that jusi didn't happen. P4r. Barna asked m*hat the building was going to be� and 'rir. Pasch�e replied he didri't lmow yet as iL was speculative� but it could be a warehouse or a factory. Mrs. Schnabe2 asked if he i��as going to go with zero lot line construction� and i�ir. Paschke replied he vras. Pir, Keraper asked unai the zoning was in this area, and I°ir, Paschke answered it was M-2. Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ there would be enough room £or parking and turning around if they srent with the 5� setback £rom the building but elimir.ated the strip. Mr. Pascnke said yes� but a 5' setback wasn't necessary. iie felt that 3' would do the same tning as S'. P4rs. Schnabel asked iP she was rignt in assuming that if he went with 3' and eliminated the 5� strip� there wouldn't be any problems. Mr. Paschke said that was right, and stated ii was possible to turn in 20' and showed how a semi could drive in there. Mr. Kemper asked if he couldn't move the wall of the building and meet code, and Mr. Paschke replied then the building wouldn't be fy0k. He stated that economically he couldn�t build there without a variance, Air. Kemper pointed out how the wall could be moved to meet codes� and A`s. Paschke realied that then the building would be an odd size. Fir. Kemper stated that it aopeared to him that hir. Paschke had designed a building to cover the l�Oo minimum and the rest he wanted for driveway� so he was requesting a variance. I�Ir. Paschke stated that the lot had been sitting there £or a lot o£ years� and they had designed a building to go there with the least amount of variances. I•ir. Kemper stated that a building could be designed to fit without any variances. rlr. Paschlce said that originally the building was designed differently� but Jerr,y Boardman had designed it this way. He said that if he couldn't build on 1�0�, he wouldn't build on it at all, He added that land was too expensive� and he would have to look for another site. Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 9 �2 Mr. Kemper asked if Mr. Paschke was saying the property line would eventually be one big parking lot, and Mr, Paschke said that was correct. He added that the owner of the other property had indicated he was going to pave it, and'that this was a joint parking lot and not property lines� as such. Mr. Kemper asked if he had a zero lot line agreement to build up to the property line, and i9r. Paschke replied he did. Mr. Kemper stated that he would have 35' for parking, and the code said 20' for a stall and 25' £or a parking aisle, so i•fr. ?aschke was essentially 10' short. Mr. Paschke stated there were many similar joint parking lots in Fridley, and Mrs. Schnabel pointed out that other corunercial areas which had adjacent parking lots might have been constructed before the code. Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ he had thought about this in terms of land- scaping� and Mr. Paschke replied there were several evergreens and other plantings. tirs. Schnabel said she was concerned to some extent about the adjacent parking going up to the lot line with blacktop since the adjacent property owner had submitted notning in writing. Mrs. Gabel asked ;f there would be any problem getting a written joint parking agreement. Mr. Paschke said no� except if it was recorded there would be trouble clearing the title on it. Chairperson Schnabel asked where the 18' for parking left them in terms o£ large cars� and ;1r. Holden said they would stick out a bit, hirs. Schnabel asked if 2�y' was ample room to back out, and I•ir. Holden replied it r;as close to what was required. Dfrs. Schnabel pointed out that i� that was reduced to 19' by having the 5' against the building and insisting on the 5' strip, it would be tight to move around in. P9r. Holden agreed, t.r. Paschke said they had considered diagonal parking, but it took about the same amount o£ room as striaght-in parking, plus it eliminated the option of backing out either way. Mr. Kemper asked if it tiaas okay to blacktop up to the line but not oark on it� and Mr. Holden said that was correct. A4r. Kemper asked wnat the percentage would be if the building was 65 x 99•5� and Air. Holden replied that would be 33.8% lot coverage. ' MOTION by Gabel, seconded by Barna, to close the Public Hearing vote� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. Upon a voice ' ' Chairperson Schnabel said that Mr. Paschke was asking to blacktop the parking lot out to the lot line and eliminate the 5' barrier between his lot and the adjacent property� and the code said he must maintain a 5' barrier bettaeen the adjacent property. D;r. Holden read Section 205•135� B� of the City Code, and said he interpreted that to mean he could pave all the iaay out to the lot line. htr. Barna said that tnen the recorunendation of the 5� strip was just a Staff recommendation� and not a code requirement. Mr. Holden said that c•!as correct, hirs. Schnabel said that then legally he could blacktop up to the lot line, but Staff was saying he should allow for a 5' strip as opposed to parking up to the lot line or using it for a turn-around area or driver:ay. She asked how close a driveway could go to the lot line, i�ir. Holden said he would interpret that as being a parking aisle. Mrs. Schnabel said that it was also a driveway, and Mr. Holden said that was true. ' , , � � ' � ,Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28� 1976 �' ' � � .,. { Page 10 ' Mr, Barna read Section 205.135� F� l�� of the Zoning Ordinance� r,-hich stated: The driveway pavement must: a) Be 5£eet from any lot line� b) Be 5 feet from the main building� and c) Have a minimum driveway radii of 10 feet. Chairperson Schnabel said she thought the situation had changed since i�Ir. Paschke had changed his plan, Even so, she said, iS that was interpreted as a drivew�y� then it still would have to be five feet from the lot line. Then it wou�d require a variance, she explained, but it would have to be a different request. I�frs. Schnabel asked T3r. Paschke how soon he planned on starting construction, and he replied in the next couple of weeks. She s�.id she was wondering if there was time for someone to make an interpretation as to if that was a driveway. 2•ir. Holden said it would be either a drive:ray or a parking aisle. b1rs. Schnabel said it was her personal opinion ihat it would be interpreted as a driveway� and the code said it must be 5' £rom the lot line and she would like to see that 5� maintained unless there cras strong reason not to main:ain it. Chairperson Schnabel asked if there was a minimum drivec,ray �Pening width, and Mr. Holden replied there was a maxiriura vridth, and there �ras a suggested �;�dth of a parking aisle of 25'• Mrs. Schnabel stated that if this had to be inter- preted as a parking aisle or a conbination parking aisle and drive�a�, she thought the Zoning Administrator should take a look at it, She said she felt enough up-in-the-air about it that she �,�asn't ceriain, h1rs, Sc:znabel stated that this would not go before Council until October 18th any^:ray, so i� it was tabled unti7. the fippeals Commission�s next meeting it could st_11 go before Council on the 18th. She asked i£ hir. Pascnke crould still start construction tnis fall if this went to the City Council on the 18th� 2nd he replied he would. rir. Barna stated he would need requests £or E!� and FLtA instead o£ E3 and EJ�. Chairperson Schnabel said she would like to get this moved, but personally felt a bit hung up on it as she rras not certain Staff knevr what this was all about because of the change in the parking stall positions. Air. Kemper commented he would like to see it written properly� and he caas not prepa:ed to act on this as it was. birs. Schnabel said they could act on it and either approve or deny it, and it would still go before Council. ;�irs. Gabel stated she didn't like to act on something when they didn't have any firm statements about what they were really acting on. � T10TION by Gabel� seconded by Barna� that the Appeals Commission recommend ' to Council� through the Planning Commission, approval of the Variance of Section 205.135� l� (E�1�) to aliow off-street parking within 3£eet of the main building� and send the other request (Section 205,135, l, E�3� to allow eff- street parking to be within 0£eet of the lot line instead of set back the required 5 feet) on without recorunendation due to lack of information and request that Staff make a determination before it goes to Council. Mr. Kemper commented that he didn�t like to simply pass something on to Council because they (the Appeals Commission) hadn't been given enough in£or^.ation. He said that if they had the proper in£ormation they could act on this variance request; so what they were doing was essentially passing it on to Council recognizing that the petitioner had a timing problem because o£ frost, L.J � ' ' , FY�idley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28� 1976 Page 11 � Y �'�_°. Mrs. Gabel stated that the petitioner had come here in good faith� and somewhere , along the line a mistake was made that wasn't his fault, and he did have a timing problem because of frost. Mrs. Gabel said she agreed xith what Mr. Kemper was saying, but she didn't Seel the petitioner should be penalized. � Chairperson Schnabel said that another problem was because Staff saw one plan and the petitioner showed the Commission a revised plan. Mr. Barna said that the problem was with the City bureaucracy rather tnan with the petitioner or the Appeals Commission� and he couldn't see handicapping the petitioner because of that error. He added that he £elt Staff should be able to clear tni; up satis£actorily before it reached City Council, and they would have all the pertinent information to go on at that point. UPON A VOICE VOT�� Schnabel, Gabel �d Barna voting aye; Kemper voting nay, the motion carried 3- l. MOTION by Barna, seconded by Kemper, that the Appeals fees be paid before this item appeared before the Planning Commission. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. S. REQUEST FOR VARIAI`ICFS OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLOt:!S: SECiIOPd 20S.13L�� Lt� C� TO RIDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK FRO.i TH.? RE�QUIRc.D 2y" F:Ei � 7.S FEET� AIv'D, SECTION 20�.135� 1� (E,3}� TO ALLOb7 OFF-S33�ET P&RKTPIG TO BE l�lITHIid 0 FEET OF THE 7A^L I,Ii7E Ii15TF,AD OF SET BACK Tn� F.ErJ,UIRED �5 TEET� AIdD SBCTION 205.135� 1� (E�11)� TO ALLOY7 OFr-ST.�EST P�u{IPdG ?dITI?IId 3 FEET OF THE P•AIN BUILDIidG IIvSTF,AD OF SE'T BACK THE REQUIF� 7 FEFT, kLL TO AIS,OZ�! THE COiVSTR[3CTI02i OF A SPECULATIVE $UILDIAIG OiV LQTS �3� 211, A'i1➢ 25� BLOCK 8� OA'AiaAY ADDITIO?d� THE SA•ffi BEING 7751 BI,Pf ST1��:T ;:.E., FRIDLEY� Y•iINNESOTA. (Request by Paco� Incorporated, �920 Kirle�sood Lane� Minneapolis, h:innesota 55I�27). MOTION by Barna, seconded by Kemper, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADt•IINISTRATIVE SiAF'F REPpRT A. PUBLIC PURPOSB SERVED BY REQUIRII��'1VT: Section 205.13lt� �t� C� required rear yard setback of 25 £eet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to provide adeouate open space around commercial structures for aesthetic and fire-£ighting purposes. Section 205.135� 1� (E�3)� prohibiting parking any closer to a lot line than 5 £eet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to provide £or protection of , adjacent property owners £rom vehicle encroachment and to allow for a ' landscaping strip between properties. � , , Section 205.135, 1� (E,l�), prohibiting parki.ng any closer to a building than 5 Feet. Public purpose served by the requirement is to protect the building from unnecessary maintenance due to vehicle�s hitting the building. , ' , '� Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Pa�e 12 ' g.-. � ' 1 � , B. STATED HARDSHIP: Land cannot be built on to meet code. C, ADMINISTftATIVE STAFF REVIE`,7: The proposed building size of 75 feet bY 97.5 feet will cover 7,It62,5 square feet. Lots 23, 2�, and 25� Block E3, Onarray Addition, total 17,100 square feet, The net lot coverage is �3.61�0; therefore� a variance to the lot coverage requirements of Section 205.131�� 3� A, is required unless_the building size is reduced, Staff has been in favor of rear yard setbacks in the Ona:ray area due to the shortness of the lots, and £eel that this request is justi£ied in light of past variances granted in this block. , The petitioner apparently is reluctant to enter into a joint parking agreement with Signcrafters to the South. Staff £eels a 5£oot green area should be maintained and the variance to 3 feet from the building ' approved. This Frould allow an 18-foot parking sta�l and a 19 foot driving area. � ' Nir. Paschke was at the meeting to present the reo,uest. Mrs. Gabel asked rrhy the Public idotice didn't mention the variance on the coverage� and Tir. Holden replied a variar.ce to the lot size hadn't beer. requested because they hadn't realized it would be needed until tonig�i, i•Sr. Kemper suggested that could be solved by reducing the building to 1�0%. , P4r. Paschke shorred the Commission rrhere the proposed building would be on the lots and iahere_the parking areas would be. Chairperson Sc'ruiabel asked if ne F�as_ going up to zero lot line� and htr. Paschke replied he t,=as. T•Irs. SchnWbel , asked if he had any kind of agreement on the zero loi line� znd he r�nlied he had a verbal aoreement� but nothing in i,rriting, P1rs. Schnabel infor:ned him he would have to get a written agreement before he could start construction, ' Chairperson 3c?v1�be1 said that unless Pir. Paschke decided at this meeting to change the size of the building� they might be better of£ tabling this i,rhole process until another notice could be issued £or lot size coverage. She explained ' that othervrise he would have to pay another fee and yrould have to come back for another hearing anyway. i•Ir, Paschke stated that he i�rould like Staff to help him decide how to reduce the building. , , P7r. Kemper stated that since h1r. Paschke was so amenable to reducing the size of the building� perhaps it could be reduced to give more adequate par'.ting. Mr. Paschke said that there was adequate parking. He said he would preFer to let Staff decide hom� to cut the building--from the back or the front; he was open to suggestions either way. � Ghairperson Schnabel said that this iaas the very same problem as before� with the additional problem o£ the rear yard setback� which might be reduced i£ the building was reduced in size. TIr. Aarna asked r1r. Paschke when he planned on 1 starting work on this� and he replied not until neact spring. I:rs. Gabel said then there rrould be no problem in tablin� this until the driveway problem was worked out and the building reduced. , ' ' Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 13 >.. � MOTION by Barna� seconded by Kemper, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Barna, seconded by Kemper, that the Appeals Commission table this item �ntil the following meeting� and direct Sta£F to get all the proper in£ormation. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Schnabel declared a recess at 10:I�0 P.i�4.� and reconvened the meeting at 11:05 P,M. 6, CONTINUID: ZOPiING CODE REVIE;d ON GARAGES 2�1rs. Gabel reminded the Commission that in h4ay they had received a request for variance on a dwelling to be located on Glencoe Street, and the question on garages arose at that time and the Appeals Commission h2d sent it on for more input because the code was very vague, hfr, Kemper stated the code didn�t mention anything about garages on lots 9�000 square feet and under, and as he recalled they had asked £or some kind of clarification on this. A;ow they were in receipt of the Co^ununity Developnent Commission's rninutes £rom their meeting o£ August 10� 1976� containing a zoning code review on garages. Chairperson Schnabel said that:;,he report from Community Development recommended that one enclosed garage space be provi.ded per dcaelling unit for the follocring reasons: 1. Reduce outside automobile parking. 2. Provide £or enclosed storage of equipment and materials other than automobile to enhance neighborhood appearance. 3. Reduce safety hazards which may result from outside storage of equipment and material. 1�. Promote the preservation and upgrading o£ the neighborhood and maintain a quality of living environment consistent v.�th the housing plan. 5, Provide for the security of stored goods in the neighborhood. Mrs. Schnabel recalled there had been a discussion on whether a garage should be tied to the dwelling or to the size of the lot. She noted from the Corununity Development minutes that most o£ the other communities did not treat the question o£ substandard lots at all. P1rs. Schnabel i.nSormed the Com�ission that the Planning Commission had tabled this item and had not acted on it yet. Chairperson Schnabel said that they had already approved construction on 50� lots and did not require a garage stall� but to her knowZedge no lots of under 50' had been built on at this point. She said they would have to address themselves totally to substandard lots� unless they wanted to separate 50' and above from 50' and under. , Pir. Kemper stated that through his motion on May llth he had asked the Commissions to take a look at the subject of garages and the requirements £or single or double garages� and the requirements for paved or unpaved driveways as they ' applied to any lot under 9,000 dquare feet. He said the minutes of the CDC meeti.ng addressed themselves not to lot sizes but to garages and houses. He , ' ' , ' ' , , , , ' ' , � � , , , ' ' � � 'n,''� A:.. ' ' ' Fridley Appeals Con¢ni.ssion Meeting - September 28, 1976 Page 1!t wondered if the garage should be considered part of a house and not concerned with the lot size, and said that it appeared to be a sensible way to go about it, He added that he sensed something wrong back in May tahen they read the codes for lots over 9,000 square feet and they didn�t mention under 9,000 square feet. He stated he thought they should be tied to tne building and not the lot size� and this helped him understand what he thought the Cit�'s position should be regarding garages. Mrs. Gabel said she disagreed. She explained that next to her house there was ' a small house and garage on a!�0' lot, and because the driveoray +ras so c��ose to her property her fence kept getting lmocked down. Nir. Kemper said that maybe by requiring that each hone have at least a single-car garage, it ::ould , automatically prohibit building on !�0' lots� and that might be the appro�riate criteria they should be using. Mr. Barna stated that if they tied garages to houses on a 5�' lot� and i: the property owners wanted to upgrade it� they would have to put a garage on it, He said there was no way he could put a garage on either of the tc;o 50� lc�ts he oi�med rrith houses on them because o£ hills on the property. ::rs. Gabe2 stated the code wou�dn�t have to be written that way. 24r. Ker�per added that because something t�ras done at one point in time didn't nean sonething else couldn't be established that sai.d it couldn�t be done in the future. t�irs. Gabel said that under the present code system they haven't allowed any houses to be built on a0' Zots, but there were many homes built on ��� lots in the past.. Mr. Barna s2id that the information passed on to himse2f and the Council was that there Yrerenrt any !�0' lots with houses on them in Fridley. Chairperson Schnabel said there certainly were a lot of older drrellings in the C�ty uhich were on substandard lots and didn�t meet tne current code, but tnere hasr.'t been any neta construction. She explained that anything that vras built prior to the new code iaas grand£athered in� but what they said was from no�: on they zaouldn�t allota anything under 9�000 square feet. She added that could be done again, and what had already been done could be grandfathered in. Chairperson Schnabel asked the Commission if theJ wanted to :�ake a decision regarding this, and hirs. Gabel suggested getting somethin� from the Planning Commission on this, hirs. Schnabel said they should also bear in mind thai on November 22nd they were scheduled to have the hearing on 1y0' Iots h�ith the City Council, and said that perhaps at that ti;�e this subject snould cor�e up again. Mr. Kemper said that in his opinion they would acconplish nothing by waiting� and should therefore make some decision. rlrs. Gabel said she still felt very strongly that a garage should be a require- ment. She stated she thought it came back to maintaining a standard o£ living for peop]e who had lived in Fridley over a period o£ iime and maintained a quality of life� and she felt they owed something to the people kho had lived in Fridley a long time. Chairperson Schnabel said she had another problem with not requiring garages, and that was that garages were required for multiple dwel�ings. She sa.5_d she felt in some ways it would be discriminatory not to require a garage for a single-family d�aelling but require lls stalls for a rniltiple dwelling. NIr. Kemper said he felt it wouldn't be any more fair to require a garage for a Fridley Appeals Commission tdeeting - September 2f3� 1976 Ptige 15 ' � -g ..: �� � lot over 9,�� square feet and not for one under 9,000 square feet. ' Chairperson Schnabel sai.d that if garages were required, then there should be a review of the size requirements for structures built on substandard lots� if building on substandard lots was allorred. She suggested that perhaps the requirements for a two or three bedroom nome should be reduced and that t•rould , be t'�e answer to getting a dwellin� on a substandard lot with a garage. She said that if the lots �reren�t built on they became tax-forfeit property� and there was the problem o£ caho maintained them. � � Mr. Barna said he didn't go along with that on the grounds that it xould be protecting the present citizens because he hadn't heard any conplaints Tron anyone saying they didn't ��2nt a house on a 50� lot, P3rs. Scnnabel said there had been several. , , � , ' Afr. Holden said that P;r. Boardman had read a report by the h;etro Council ' concerning gasages and accessory buildings and it had said that in a survey , of 160 communities in the metro area� only 20 0£ them required garages of some sort. � � �] � 1 Chairperson Sc?ixiabel said that a*as consistent with Yrhat came out in PE�SPEGTIVES, a booklet published by the ?•fetropolitan Council. Sne stated that the Council had appointed a Ilodest Cost ?iousing Advisory Committee to studJ the e££ects of governnental regulations, taxes, rinancing, and housing industry practices on the cost of housing� and to make recoru7endations for reducing these costs, and they were to report their recommendations to the Legislature by Jar:uary 15, 1977. hSrs. �chnabel said she thoug�t several members of that committee said they felt that the reouirements of municipalities had become very restrictive toc•rard building private duellings which tne population could a:'iord. Sne stated they were looking for ways to allow construction o£ private dRellings so more of the population could affo:d to buy then� and one o£ those ways might be to not require garages and reduce the size requirements to fit on a lot. She added t!�at the Appeals Commissicn might actually be doing a lot of unnecessary work because the Legislature might come out with all new requirements. , � f� ' L 1 Mr. Kemper re£erred to the Planning :�eview On Single Family Garage requirenents , submitted by Jerry Boardman, and the statement which said that out of the 81 , eommunities surveyed, 6 recuired a one-car garage, !� required a two-car garage, and 71 required of£-street parking with no gara�e reouirenents. He was ' wondering if Fridley was one of the co:nmunities surveyed, and if so, if it vras , one of the six requiring a one-car garage, one of the Four requiring a two-car garage� or one of the 71 with no garage requirements. He stated that if Fridley was one of the six or the four, then what they were talking about was expanding , on the City Codes which already required garages for certain types of construction. , He added that right now the codes talk about garages £or lots over 9�000 square feet and multiple dwellings� but it didn't address itself to garages on sub- � standard lots. ' Chairperson Schnabel said that if they looked at the adjacent communites around , Fridley they would find one totally developed community on one side, and ' then Coon Hapids and Blaine where there was a lot of open space yet. She suggested that perhaps they could afford to be more open in their zoning codes. � ' , !_l �z tFridley Appenls Commission Meeting - September 28, 1976 �'"• � ' , � Pa�e 16 � AIr. Kemper added that what was substandard in Columbia Heights might not be substandard in Blaine. Mrs. Gabel said that if somebody built a home on an eighty foot lot, they could eventually add a garage; but when somebody built a house on a substandard lot there was no room to add a garage. She said that was her concern--not with the large lots. She added that she was convinced that on the average 70 or 80 foot lots a garage would go up anyway. i hfr. Kemper said that the question was if they wanted to allow building on substandard lots� and if they permitted it they were essentially reducing the total quality of life in the Fridley area, A;r, Barna stated that he , £elt neighborhoods had to be considered, as in his neighborhood a substandard lot rras anything less than 50' P1rs. Schnabel said they had to consider that the people who were living on 50' lots had lived there for a long time. N:r. , Barna wondered if a substandard lot could be restricted in an area where the majority of lots were over a certain size. He said that regarding �0 and 60 foot lots� perhaps the best way to handle them was the way they had been-- on an individuzl basis considering objections frort neighbors. Mr. Holden asked the Commissioners Urhat their reaction would be i£ a motion was made identi.cal to the one in the Co:nmunity Development Commission minutes o£ August 10� 1976 by Williari Forster stating that one enclosed garage s^ace be provided per dwelling for those £ive reasons listed. *1r. Barna saifl that he personally would vote no. Mrs. Gabel said if she ::ac to nake a decision she would vote in £avor of it, Chairperson Schnabel stated that she would vote in favor� but was concerned tney mighi be spinning their wheels because if the Legislature acted on this t?�ey might nave a�ahole neia set of laws. She added that she :aould be inclinded to say a garage stall was needed for every dwelling from an aesthetic standpoint, ard added that she felt the majority of nomes in the City did have garages and that ,-ras why the City loolmd as neat as it did. PIr. Kemper stated he �aould not be in Favor of the motion. Mr. Holden said that although he couldn't vote� he vrould vote against it £^om an economic standpoint, He stated that by knocking that lOm cost o:"f the house, it might make it a little more a£fordable to someone who was just bebinnin;. Airs. SchnaUel said that those people could then go to another cenv�unity �a;iere garages weren't required, and rfr. Ho2den said that was possible, P1rs. Schnabel added that since Fridley was basically developed, maybe those people cM1ould be better off moving to a community that was more lenient in their building codes and building there. Mr. Kemper said he thought the,y had more responsibility to those people who already lived in Fridley to maintain an image and a standard o£ living, than to those people who didn't live in Fridley and were looking for an opportunity to build, Mrs, Gabel stated her feelings abouC garages were more tied into substandard � lots. She said she felt people would put up garages eventually if they had room� but on substandard lots there wasn't room. She said that perhaps if • , � ' Fridley Appeals Conmiission Meeting - September ?8, 1976 Page 17 �� 1 garages were required and they didn't fit on �0� lots, then those lots would not be buildable. Mrs. Schnabel stated that she was not totally convinced that the building industry was willing to put up modest or low-income housing. � She said if that was done with substandard lots so a better mix was pror•ided in the community� maybe she would feel more the other way about providing garages; but she was not convinced that was what the building industry wanted to do. , Mrs. Gabel added that the little bit of residential area tnat was left in Fridley was not condusive to low-cost housing. � Chairperson Schnabel said that maybe their discussion, as reflected in the minutes� would be enough to show their line of thinking, and pernaps the� just needed a motion to receive the Corununity Development Co^unission �inutes of August 10� 1976. hfr. Kemper said he didn't feel a necessity £or passing � a motion such as that in the CDC minutes� but would go along with receiving those minutes. ' MOTION by Kemper� seconded by Barna� that the Appeals Corunission receive the Community Development Comnission minutes o£ August 10� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Schnabel said she wished to call the Com�issioners' attent=on to the Administrative Policy on Survey �equirements that was be£ore tnen. S:�e said this had been approved by the Planning Commission and was very relevani to th=: items that car�e beiore the Appeals Commision� and directed tihe nembers to keep it for future reference. ADJOURNMENT: Chairperson Schnabel adjourned the September 28� 1976 Appeals Coruaission meeting at 12:05 A.Ai. Respectfully submitted� �„/%al�_ .ir.� A X,(rl�me�� Sherri 0'Donnell Recording Secretary 9/22/76 i•i j ' PLANNIN� REVIEW ON SINGLE FAMILY GARAGE REQUIREMENTS The question of whether or not a garage should be required with the construction of a single family home is a question that should take some very serious ihought. With the continued inflation in the cost of adequate single family housing, once affordable housing is out of the reach of a continually growing number of families. For this reason, it is essential to review our City ordinances which help add to the increased cost of housing and make a determination whether or not we are putting unneces- sary hardships on those families who are paying inordinant amounts for, or are unable to afford, adequate housing at the present costs. Since the garage requirement is the item that is presently being discussed by the Planning Comnission and its Member Corronissions, I will direct my comments at this time to this item. � In reviewing recent surveys done by Metro Council and action presently being proposed for the State Legislature by the Metro Council, I feel the following information is important to the discussion on garage requirements. , 1. Of the 81 comnunities surveyed.6 required a one car garage, 4 required a two car garage, and 71 required off-street parking with no garage requirements. ' I� , ' , , , i 2. Metro Council, Gov^rnmental Regulations Subcommittee is recommending , that the new home buyer should have the option to provide or not provide a garage and that garages should not be required by the � municipality. ' 3. Recent information received by Metro Council Subcommittee on Housing � Industry Practices state that a garage represents about 10% of the ' cost of a home and that oniy about 5% of the homes built today are built without garages. 4. By allowing a house to be built without a garage, it provides an opportunity for the potential home owner to be abie to more adequately afford family housing and still add a garage when it is more economically feasible for the family. 5. The gara�e requirement may be contradictory to our City Housing Goals and Objectives. _ A. The Nousing Goal states the necessity of providing a diversity of suitable housing and living environments for all persons. It suggests that this be accomplished by encouraging programs to provide fiousing at a cost that families can afford without compromising essential needs. B. It also suggests tfiat the City incorporate, where possible, the Metro wide development framework policies which promote code chan9es which facilitate low and moderate intome housing. On the other hand, it is important to also look at the reasons for providing garages on single family lots. 1. The garages provide a storage space for materials and equipment , , ' L_� , ' � � � � � 1"2 Plannfng Review on Single Family Garage Requirements Page 2 that under other conditions may be stored outside exposed both to view and vandalism. � , , � 2. It is also felt that by providing garages in a neighborhood it ' will maintain a high quality living condition for the neighborhood and maintain economic stability. � � � � � � � � � � � � � 1 1 In summary, I feel that we can maintain our high quality residential living environments without necessarily requiring all new residential construction to provide garages. However, it is necessary to make allowances for lot space available for garage additions as well as better supervision for unsightly residential storage. A smaller storage building may serve the purpose for material and equipment storage at a much cheaper cost to the home owner..We must also keep in mind the fact that most homeowners build or eventually build, a garage on their property. With the increasing burden of being able to afford adequate housing is it then sensibTe to increase that burden through unnecessary requirements. 3LB/de JERROLD BOARDMAN City Planner ' ' , � , ' 4 ' ' , ' , , , ' I ,� � , M E T R 0 P O L I T A N (' ) U N C I�L � Sui:e 300 Metco Square 6ui13isg, Saiai ?anl, Minnesota 55101 291-6359 aottnuou�a r-- � T0: Modest Cost Housing Advisory Ccr.unittee �FRGM: Subcommittee an �iovsing Industzy Practices SD6JECT: Research Repoct l�� t July 13, 1976 � ,New in:or.nation wnich the committee nas qathered recently is attached. The attac^.�er.:s are: (li a break6oe:n o: che compon�nts of housing cost, 1969 vs. �reliminarl fiqcre :or I5�5; ;21 u:.ion waoe scales for Minneapolis-SG. Paul area for various crafts, as conpareZ w?ch ::,e Co:s a�er 2rice Zndex. �The infozmation below was heard by the scSCOmmittee at a meeting witn Area bailders on Mor.Cay, July 12. �House Size � � � The builders ;enerally felt that a 950 sq. ct. ¢ouse aiv_s the b�st val;:e--±:e r..cst *�use ° dollar. They fele that a ncuse belcu tSa� si2e briaqs aa insiynifica�t cosc :ec�.:ctio:, t�c�..�..:-an�� of the costs romain the same: the mec:�anical core, che miliwork, ever, iabo:. � One builder noted !hat there :s 3�proxi:�acely,a 5900 di=?erence in *_he sel:_nc �.ice c= a?; x 36 home as co+opared •.:?th a 24 x 40-acr.�e. One buil�e: said :hac the dit:erance ir. assassz.: �.�__ :oz these [wo homes by �he loan institutions is oro�ably r..ore !han the actuzl d::cerence, ;zr:._ps b;• ,a few hundred dollars. - Land Cnsts The averaqe price of a let today is a.-oanc 58,000. Only I,2G0 to 1,500 of t::is cost '_- C�e cost oc �the raw land. TSe r_awinde: of the cost is the cost o: [he improvements, zr.c ca:ryins�cha=y-es en the cost of tne raw land only. � � ,ara es�'" �Builders agr�ed that a yaraqe rerresen:s rocynly 1C� of the cost of the hoTe, ar� *_ha: onl-? anout 58 of the homes built �odz� are 6uilt c:it:�out carages. �Mar.y oc Lhe bu:lce:s were :+:l:inc to, and .*.ave o::ere.i nouses wi;4ouc car.-aes. `nz �r" t.`.e ouilz=r.s sai3 that �any o: his buyers p:ecar_ed co nave the gsrage. Another tuilder �c:.d _na; a f��: yaa:s ago his com�an7 o£�erec s 529,000 hor..z hitS or wi.�cut a garage. c'_f:i �ercent -•:z :o^es �.�zse sold withoct garages. ?:any of these oeo�le have siace adcec garaces. �Alternativ� t:eehocs, i�taterials • Tile �loors inste=3 0* caz,eting could represar.t a substantial savinys. �arnetinU coa_c co�t abcut 5900 per house. Or.e bu:lcer had estii�ate.'. thmt a ccst reduction o: 52,oDJ c��lc be �aali�c: bv �usir.g different ,r.ateri3ls :or a variery oi i:e.^.s, iacluc:nq cabinets, cco:s, t:ir.., and car;eti�c. The items subs:ituted would s[i11 meet F:iA and V.l reau�re�er.ts. T4is bcilder ;as aqreed t� ?rovi3c this in.ermation to cs in creater 3etail. Ceramic tile, although it costs more, is pre:er:ed by the builders �ecause '_t holws ur :,e�:ar. �Wooden basements were menticned as an alcaraative re�hod tha[ does �neet V;, ar.d F_y but is not accepted by lenuers. ?his could save according to one builCer 52z0.0�. :aquire-,encs. 'A general :eeling on the part o_° the builders was that an atter..pt [o recuce �osts in ti:e st_uctur�s portion of the cost is very easily cancel2ed out by other costs, especially a rise in ir.terest rates. Sweat Equity - �Manp o[ the buildcrs present had made arranqerents with buyers .'or CoinS so:na oc c..^ w�or:< :::emse'�•es However, in ma:iy caszs this caused the builder a great deal of e�trz inconveaier.ce, +.....� h�.:yers had no exoerience i❑ doinq this Kin3 of work. One builcer c,entior,ed tkat a buyer nac 3on� su:,;�, �. poor hjob on tne interior staining that he decide3 he didn't want the house a_tet, all. The builders mentionad [hat savinas ar.d loan institutions make it .9if.`ioult eo :'_:ance o?:o�uc: Ghat isn't cempletzly cinished. At closing, some Ssi's withhold from t;e bcilfier l�y um?s c�e amount of work that is }•et to be completed. ` One of the buildets mentioned that the greatest savings in a do-it-yoursel£ arranyemeac w�ou13 Se in � ' y • � • 'Z' ' � „`� labor-int^nsive items such.as painting. y,t _ Builder's EfEieien� � � . �� :he qeneral concer.sus uas that in the last ten years ouilders 4ave becoc.e r:ore ei:icient throuyh the use O: RC'd rater�als and r,�ethods. :h�y Eelt [:ey hac to beco,r.e nore e.:icieat :. :er to oYi- aet cost increases in otner areas. Examples o£ r.ew methods ate t:css raEters anc pre-n;.ng doors. � Labor Buil�ers noted that our area is one of the :rw areas in ehe .:ountr/ •.+hich usr_s ur.ion i:�or„ccrs ex- 'clasively .°ur housinq consrructioc. Electcicians have ,wo a•aga >c�les for d:[[erer.: levels o2 exper.ience but carpen`ars do not. 'cach p^_rson on the job doing carpentr� uork ac daryir.q lzvels oE sY.ill is paid at the saT.e :ate. ��Builder� notefl that trte housinc i:�ustry is no! as seasonal as it once +as. �ew ?lastics ar.d oenet materials and m��hods have nade it �asxer to uork year-ramd. The wages and ban�fits o: an�on bcil3:nq tra�es •.orkers iac:easefl,r.atioa-•.+ia�, 223� fron .;ar.ca_7 1966 to January .976. Da:ir.g thA s.v�e pe:iod the Consu.:.cc �rice Ir.dex increased 753. In co:_cast, 'averaqe hourly crmpensacion of a11 e:nplo,ees in t!:e �r:vate non-ca:� �cono-y i:.c:ea:;�d 96'i :ro- 1955 to 1975. T,`.is da.a co�es i=um nha Coatr�ctors Yvtcal Associauon. Tie attached data g:ves the wage incr_ase ior the Mlnr.eapolis-St. ?aul area. �' euilders Pro:iC The builcers ezpressec che fee:inc that cSeir ?roi-t r.ar;ins canr.ot 5�cca.e uar_ysc�abl.�; `::a: �e- cause _h�y have _o :ena�n cort'.eeci:i-ie. zowever, i: t.`.a �:ozit is �i5c_e❑ on d�2_C2.^.CdC2 Dd515� the hiyher the pric� oi ::e hous?, the hiy"r�r .ae proiit. ' The.subco.-�mittee has received :ro7 the builcers sone cost sheecs for the ;�o:r,es t.`.ey bui__i. r_ost Br�ak3own oE ,4_dian o: T:�nicai 5e•+ t:ome 1975 (?r=1i �in�r:! '2�rsus i569 ' . Source: `lacio�al �ssoc:ac:en o: ticne 3uilc^rs, ��ash. 7.C. /'�� ` . ,:omFonerks Materials (:,00:iazces 5274) ' Land Labor �Proi:t + 0•:==head � Prof'_t >tarqin ast. 58 19i5=51,925, i369= 51,280 - up 508 � Financiny Other-F!arketinq, Servicing, Sewer Hcok �Up, Etc. 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C c c� o < a: �t . , v p •.� O N. �> V m o �o o; G 4 ti 7 n c� .. � m .n ,� r ��i� H �:+c,. n � .,y ` 4 �� p 5 ,C. �� CU � V 4 i a Q� C N n n 1 "� . r7 N V1I .y t� � c � n . � � IN � JC G 7 7 S � . � ia � ` � V N .y 3 }I ^1 rl h �f ti a+ ..1 4 i "� " I � O V uf u: � G. �� �—r+.....w�+��-r...nuw.r•wevr:.�....v.«.--..,�..�emr�.+..��- ��..�r•-.�.�-.��-.-........_�.......,.�, `..+.�..�+.w....�..�+�,�{..�,,.+.�+.�.+.. ..� 1�' � 1'3 GOAL AREA: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT GOAL STATEMENT D200: Help foster an attitude which stimulates life-long motivatian for learning and cultural development. Program Objective: D210: Promote an awareness and appreciation of the Humanities. Program Plan D211: D212: D213: Program Objective: D220: Help stimulate appreciation and participation in fine arts in the community. � Program Plan D221: D222: � D223: 'Program Objective: D230: Encourage an interaction of learning facilities , and programs necessary to allow residents a wide choice of pursuits in education, training and cultural development. Program Plan D231 : D232: D233: D234: --- —�- 60AL STATEMENT Program Objective: Program Plan Program Objective: Program Plan Program Objective Program Objective D300: Provide public information and communication in order to foster an awareness of the City's varied activities and availability to these activities. D310: Secure and maintain a'clearing-house of information' position with respect to public and some public, cultural, vocational and recreational pragram opportunities. D371: D312: D313: D320: D321: D322: D323: D324: D330: Provide for adequate and viable means of participation, redress and reasonable access to the affairs of location government for all citizens. Provide for efficient method of dissemination of information. D331: D332: D332: D340: Promote a greater cooperation and mutual under- standing between the public, semi-public and private sectors of the population. � 1�� fOAL STATEMENT D400: Promote effective methods for providing human services to all persons in the comnunity. Program Objective D410: 1;�1 GOAL STATEMENT D500: Enaourage programs designedto promote effective human understanding within the canmunity. Program Objective D510: � � � � ��I � i , 1,'�� HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETIN6 SEPTEMBER 2 1976 " �age 2 Mr. Scott etated that he did not concur with the idea that a garage has to be attached to a lot. He feels it is a violation of civil rights; that it is establishing standards for himman development where none is required. He stated tse felt the ozdinance should read that if a family does want a garage, then theq should have to establish standards on that �yrage. Ms. Lynch stated she also disagreed that a garage has to be on a lot. A standard garage does not fit everybody's needs. She stated she would like to see a require- ment for off-street parking for at least two cars. MOTION by William Scott, seconded by Harold Belgum, that the Human Resources Commission recommends to the Planning Commission that they do not condone the principle of a garage requirement as a stipulation for building; however, if the property owner decides to put up a garage, standards should be set for the structure. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Grace Lynch to require off-street parking for 2 cars if a garage is not built. MoCion died for lack o£ a second. REVIEW GOAL AREAS FOIt HUMAN DEVELOPMENT Ms. Shea stated that D100 is completed and what the Commission is to be concerned about and look at is D200. She said this would be used the same as the compre- hensive housing plan was used, and 't was hoped that it will be completed through D500 by January. She stated that the Co�ission should input theix ideas for a "Program Plan" under each "Yrogram Objective." GOAL STATEMENT D200: Program Objective D210 � Program Plan � � � , ' D211: D212: D213 Program Objective D220: Program Plan: D22I: D222: Help foster an attitude w`�..ich stimulates life- long motivation for learning and cultural development. Promote an awareness and appreciation of the Humanities: Promote the library as a center in our community. Wo=k with the State Humanities Commission to develop a local HumaniCies council. Promote special interest �roups within the Humanities. Help stinulate appreciation and participaCion in fine arts in the co�unity. Develop a Fine Arts Commission. Fund local fi.ne arts projecCS. D223: Establish relationshin with State Arts Council. D224: EncouraQe ballet and modern dance. � 1�3 HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEBTING, SEPTEMBER 2, 1976 PaRe 3 Program Objective D230: Encourage an interaction of learning facilities. and programs necessary to allow residents a wide choice of pursuits in education, trainin�, and culturaT development. Program Plan D231: Promote interest and use of Fridley Public Library as a source of information and insniration. D232: D233: D234: Establish relationships with Co�unity School Advisory CounciL the Ms. Shea asked Mr. Belgum to describe the Humanities. Mr. B-:lgum stated that they are literature, history, political science, religion, philosophy, those studies which are not natural sciences or social sciences. ➢EGISION ON RESUMING HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION FORUM MEETING ON THIRD THURSDAY OF EACH MONTH ' Mr. Belgum stated he was in favor of reswning the for� but doing it in a different way. He suggested the idea of having the meetings held in elementary schools in different school districts. They could invite the people in a school district and ' try to promote the meeting. He felt this way they would find out rahether Chere was any advantage in trying to localize Che issue and the discussion and whether people would like the idea. ' Ms. Lyach agreed that unless something different is done that wi11 bring people to the meetings, there is no point in having the forums. , P%ITION by Grace Lqnch, seconded by William Scott, that the decision on resuming the Himman Resources Commission For� Meeting on Che third ThuYSday of each month be tabled until the next meeting in order that the Commission members may give it ' more thought aad try to come up with some different ideas. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ' DISCUSSION OF AAROLD BELGUM'S LfiTTER ' ' , �,,,�., � � � ���� ����� � � � pARKS AND RECREATION COI�ff SSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: Dave Harris, Leonazd Moore, Harvey Wagar MEMBERS ABSENT: Bob Peterson, Jan Seeger OTHERS PRESENT: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director Jerry Boardman, City Planner Ron Steckman, 58 Rice Creek Way - Neighborhood 3 David Cahlander, 65 Rice Creek Way " " Alice Benson, 640-58th Ave. N.e, - Neighborhood 9 Juan Salas, 5810-Sth St, N.E. CALL TO ORDER: Vice-Chairperson Dave Harris called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m, 1i4 �- APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PARKS & RECREATION COI�4�ffSSION MEETING OF AUGUST 23, 1976: 1"he aecretary indicated that the following correction should be made on the � August 23, 1976, Parks & Recreation Com�ission meeting minutes: On page 1, the second to last paragraph, the correction should be made that Mr. Garaffa's letter was dated August 23, 1976, instead of October 23, 1976. � � ;;: � ,� MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to approve the minutes of the ugust 23, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting as corrected. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. OPEN FORUM: VISITORS Mr. Juan Salas attended the meeting to ask the Commission that a tree, which is 5-6 yards from the soccer field at Locke Park, be Yemoved. He feels it is a danger to the kids. Mr. Aarris stated that Mr. Salas could work this out with SCaff. Mr. Boudreau said he would look into the matter and report back to the Commission. � '1�") PARKS & RECREATION COA1MlSSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27 1976 pa e 2 OLD BUSINESS: 1. ACCEPT REPpRTS OF NEIGHSORHOOII PROJECT COI�AlZTTEES Mr. Boudreau gave [he Commission members copies of all the written reports that have heen handed in tn date on the Neighborhood Project Committees. He also gave them two pieces of information in the forms of layouts which he wished to share with the Commission as it shows the work the Neighborhood Project Committees have done to the extent of laying out their desires in the park deaign and park facilities development. He said these are supplements to the written material, and it would be his reco�endation that the Parks & Recreation Gommission accept these reports for their perusal and review, and at such time as they feel there is a need, to have a speeial meeting and call back certain coumiittee chairpersons for in-depth reasoning behind their plans. MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to accept the Neighborhood Project Committee plans, corzesponding maps, and additional infarmation. Upon a voice vote, a1Z voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boudreau stated that, to his knowledge, they have received the material from Neighborhood Areas 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 1Z, and 13. MOTIQN:by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore, that the information received from the Neighborhood Project Committees be torwarded to the Recreation Project Committee for their informati,on first. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman stated,that Staff will be analyzing these reports according to their look at the neighborhoods also, analyzing what these reports say as far as what they antic3pate in the neighborhoods according to certain statistics they have about those neighborhoods: This analyzation will come back to the Commission. He stated that when they get the Parks � Recreation Comprehensive Plan, they will have recoa�endations for each area and will set up a five-year capitat improvements program for the city. Mr. Stecl�an and Mr, Gahla¢der made comments about Neighborhood 3, the Edgewater area, and about the layout they had made. � 1: , ' Mr. Harrfs stated that a letter shoald go from Staff to the Covncil and a letter ' from Council to the County Auditor asking to withhold from sale any lots in Edge- water Gardens, Block 7, Lots 1-15, and Block 6, Lots 1, 3, 4, 5. Mr. Cahlander stated that if a leeter is sent to the County Audi,tor, the Co�renission t mighC want to send a letter to the Anoka County Engineer's Office letting them know what type of thing is being planned in that area, Mr. Aarris asked Mr. Boardm8n, at Staff level, to contact the County to make �'i' certain that what gradfng is to be done in that aree, they involve the Commission f in the decision-making process. � ! � �� � . l �16 � PARKS & RECREATION COI�II+IISSION MEETING, SEPTEFffiEA 2y 1916 Page 3 Mr. Harris stated that the people in the'Edgewater area had done a fine job �'� and thanked them for coming and for their conments. ;� � °� � � 2. REPORT ON RIVERVIEW TERRACE REQUEST OF AUGUST 23, 1976 Mr. Boudxeau stated that, referrfng to Mr. Moore's motion at the AugusC 23, 1976, meeting requesting facilities for soccer and kickbalY to be erected on a temporary basis unCil November 15, 1976, at Springbrook Park, some soccer goals have been put into Springbrook Park. Ae said they are evidently being used day :ind night, He said he has had a request to turn the light around so they can play Later in the evening, butthat hasn'C been done yet. Mr. Boudreau stated that, referring to Mr. Harris' motion at the August 23, 1976, meeting that the dike at Riverview Terrace be posted with "Motorized Vehicles Prahibited" signs, a work order has been put in to get the signs along the embank- ment along the river. Mr. Boudreau also stated they had put in Cwo old nets at Glencoe for soccer for the little kids. 3. REPORT ON RRIDLEY YOUTH CENTER Mr, Moore wanted to report to the Commission that at the fourth meeting of the � Board to set up the Charter for the Fridley Youth Center (the name they agreed upon), Yhey have tentatively drawn a Charter. They hope, i£ everyone is at the next meeting, to have a Charter for the Fridley Youth Center. NEW BUSINESS: 1.' SUGGESTED LOCATIONS FOR 1977 HOCKEY RINKS AND GENERAI, SKATING AREAS Mr, Boudreau stated he has met with Mr. Lynn Fischer, President of H.A.F., and they have gone in-depth in a discussion on how to help each other. There is the problem of maintenance on the hockey rinks as they take about four times as much man-hour time as mainCenance on general skating areas. Mr, Fischer's recommendation was that they need 11 hockey rinks to run their hockey program. Mr. Fischer sugge�tred cutting out the Burlington-Northern rink--it was never used last year by anyone in the Hockey Association and was mostly used by kids from Columbia Heights. (Mr. Boudreau stated he has been down [here and would reco�end the elimination of the Burlington-Northern rink.) The other two rinks Mr. Fischer suggested eliminating and combining into general skating areas are Terrace and Rice Ereek. This is working with the Hockey Association in saying what they need aad what they can use. � � � � .°�`7 ' PARiCS & RECREATION COMMISSiON MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1976 Page 4 Mr. Boudreau stated he is planning on maincaining all the general skating areas that they presently have and usin& the 11 hockey rinks to the best advantage. They can get better maintenance on the hockey areas for the organized sports and free play if thexe is time available. He stated the general skating rinks can provide, if done properly, both hockey and general skating, by making two general skating rinks, nne roUnd ior general skating only, and one oblong wi[hout the boards for hockey. He said he hopes to attempt this this year with the:Commission's approval. Mr. Boudreau said he is planning on combining the Burlington-Northern and Rice Creek hockey rinks to make one additional hockey rink to be placed at Locke Park. There will now be [wo hockey rinks ac Locke Park, one for hockey and one for girls' broomball. He has talked to Ms. Helen Byrne and this is fine with her. The girls' broomball used to be played behind the hi�h school, but it is not a good rink. Mr. Wagar suggested that the school district should be notified that the rfnk behind the highschool will not be maintained by the City this year. Mr. Harris suggested that rather than have two rinks at Locke Park, one for hockey and one for broomball, that the broomball be moved somewhere else, They could have hockey on both rinks where there is a bigger warming house and schedule more games there. He said broomball and hockey are not really compatible. Mr. $ou�ireau stated he would talk to Mr. Fischer to see wha[ he wants to do,and he was sure Ms. Byrne would not object to moving the girls' broomball to another location. Mr, Harris suggested using Harris Lake as a genera2 skating area, and Mr. Boudreau said he would look into it. ' MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the Parks & Recreation Commission concurs with Staf£'s recommendations on the suggested locations for the hockey rinks and generaT skating areas for the winter of 1976-77. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion cirried unanimously. 2. REPORT ON PARK/SCHOOL RANGER PROGRAM Mr. $oudreau stated that he attended the last School Board meeting. There has been some concern about getting the Park/School Ranger on a full-tise permanent basis with the City. The proposal was put forth by the City Manager to the School Board to work towards this with a long-range commitment from the School Board to say, yes, we concur with this, or, no, we do not concur with this. After some debate with the School Board, there was the feeling that they really didn't know what they got out of the Park/School Ranger, whether it was wortk the money or not. However, the principal seemed to think so. The School Board doesn't feel they should underwrite anytihing but the Ranger's fringe benefits and his salary--25% of [hat amounG. They were requested to give some kind of indication for long range co�uitment. To uaderwrite the total program, the School Board � � � �! � ' . , �� � �. ' ION 1 `�8 did vote and it passed that they would underwrite f4x �he coming year $2,800 of the;Park/SchooT Ranger's salary and fringe benefit package, Mr, Boudreau said it has been regorted back and now the City Council h2s to decide if they want a ParklSchool Ranger as a permanent employee of the City or with to retain his service on a 50-week basis far the year 1977. , � OTI�R BUSINESS: Mr. Boardman brought to the attention of the Commission an item that had come ' before Yhe Planning Commission. A gentleman at 5809 Arthur Street wants to sp2it his property into two parcels. A survey was done attd the survey showed that a portion of the man's garage (two feet) is on park property, There is also a road � easement and his garage is right on the road easement. Mr. Boardman said he wanted the feelings of the Cou�ission as to whether that road easement is needed or can they allow the man to encroach on park property or would it be of benefit � to sell off a portion of the park property back to this man so that he can have his garage on the property. The City picked up this property not too long ago from the County. The man's house has been on the property for over 17 years and he might have right of that property just by encrQachment. The man also has a. ' shed on park property and has told the City that he does not need the shed and that.the Parks $ Recreation Couunission can have it if they have need for ito Mr. Boardman stated that they are waiting for Mr. Virgil Herrick's legal opinion as to what they should do. The reco�endation is that, once Mr. Herrick gets back to them, they take the legal steps necessary to vacate the easement, make sure the two foot space on park property is deeded to the man, and maintain the shed which is on park property. Mr, Harris stated that the Commission agreed with this recommendation and that ' iL be referred to Staff. ,� Mr. Boudreau stated that he had a letter from Mr. Robert W. Masuda, a postal clexk, who has a parcel of land across from the Ed Wilmes Park, which measures ' about 120 x 115 and is relatively flat. Mr. Masuda has come in with a request that he be allowed to let the City use this land during the winter for a general skating area. His idea was that there is a skating area at Ed wilmes Park, but it is very small, and the kids who come to play hockey run the general skaters ' off, He said that area could be for hockey and the City could flood his area which would be for general skating. E� � � � Mr. Boudreau stated that when he talked to Mr. Masuda, he iold Mr. Masuda that if the Parks g Recreation Co�ission so desired, they would probably accept his offer only on terms of a written lease agreement where we lease the land for a nominal €ee of $1.00. This would free him of any liability. Mr. Masuda said that was fine; he would just like to see that land used for recreational purposes, � �;'�9 PARKS $ RECREATION COh9NISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27, 1976 Page 6 MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore; that the Commission lease Mr. Masuda's property across the street from the Ed Wilmes Park for the 1976-77 seasan to be used for recreation purposes, Upoa a voice vote, a1Z voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr, Boudreau stated that this fall a Mr. Bob Christenson, a teacher and coach at Woodcrest Christian School, approached the City with the need for land for their physical education classes, Mr. Christenson asked if it was all right if he used Locke Park for his physical education classes. Mr. Boudreau told him it would be all right. Lately, Mr. Christenson has started a soccer program utilizing the soccer field at Locke Park. Since it wasn't conflicting with any of the City's uses, Mr. Boudreau said he let them use it, bfr. Boudreau talked with Mr. Christenson today asking him to write a letter to the Park Board requesting'official action if this use was going to cdntinue. Mr. Boudreau stated that this raises a policy question of whether we want to permit use of parks for church groups, or other groups, for non-recreationai or educational purposes. He asked the Commission to come up with a recommendation on this question. Mr, Boudreau stated that, as a result of his conversation with b7r, Chrzstenson and as a result of the City informing him he could no longer use the Locke Park soccer field because they were going to start getting the field in shape for next spring and summer, Mr. Christenson wrote a letter requesting the use of Madsen Park from 2:00-5:00 p.m, each week day for their physical education and soccer practiee. This is due to surface work on Locke Park where the school usually practices.. Mr. Harris stated that these are Fridley children whose parents are taxpayers and how do you deny their use of the parks. He thinks there should be some controls, though. He stated that a contract for $1.00 type of thing which spells out the school year and spells out what the park is going to be used for is in qrder. -People are probably not going to abuse the park, but they should have something that, if they are making additional work for staff people, they be responsible too. Mr, Harris brought up the problem of the children crossing 69th Street from Woodcrest Christian School to Locke Park, It is a dangerous crossing as the children cannot be seen by drivers of cars as their vision is blocked by trees, Ne feels before an agreement is reached with the school, something should be done about this hazard. Mr. $oardman stated that he-would turn this over to the Engineering Department and have them come up with some kind of recommendation. Mr. Boudreau stated he would talk with Mr. Virgil Herrick, too, about the usage of parks by private schools, churches, etc. � � � � � � '' i. � , � . � �40 � �F � �1r. Boudreau coumiented on sane of his plans for lighting in the parks. � � �� I14r. Harris suggested to Mr. Boudreau that on the next agenda under "New Business', he list "Director's Report" so that all the items Mr. Boudreau has he can present � at that time so nothing is missed. 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I?evelopment Schedule. SGFIEDULE OF DRAWINGS L Existing Site, Zoning, Topography, and Adjacent Structures Within 100 Feet. 2. Development Plan, and Site Usage. 3. Site Drainage. 4. I,andscaping and Lighting Plan. 5. 2"ypicat Multiple Reaidence Floor Plan. 6. Perspective Drawing of Total Development. 7. Miscellaneoua Study Sketches ;: ` ,` : ! : � r � � BIIETOW & Associates Inc. , Architects & Engineers 1925 YVest Gounty Road B2 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55113 Re: Springbrook Park Property Developmeni Fridley, Minnesota Project No. 6b30 CONGEPT When this property wae zoned a I'lanned l?evelopment District, studies were made to determine the best use of the propexty with- in the limita of this zoniag. Gonsideration was given to use as multiple reaidence, town houses, single family residences, and comme rciai. Tho groper4y has peculiar togography and natural amen#iea such as the creek and wooded areas. The propertp seems Yo diviG.e iYaelf into two separate and distinct areas, divided and de:ined by the creek. Attempts were made Yo develop a portion of the I�orthern Section iato �ommercial and the balaace of that aection into multiple resideace. 7hie was aot auccessful os two counts: 1. It was virtuaity impoaeible to develope a commercial ahopping area and adequately buffer it from any multiple residence development on the same aite because of space reatrictions. : _ , _ _ „�.. �. � Re: BUETOW & Associates IrAC. , Architects & Engineers 1925 West Gounty Road B-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55113 Springbrook Park Property Development Fridley, Ivfinnesota Project No. 6630 Page Two CONGEPT (ConE. ) 2. We fuund that tenants for a smaller development of this r_ature were difficult to secure and the 'rents were economically infeasible. Single family residences were considered for the Northern Portion of the site, however, because of the relatiqns.hip and character of the exiating structures and thz commercial development across the East River Road, there was not a good market t2xat we could find for the kiad of single family residences which we felt the aite justified. Consideration was given to the develo¢m�nt of a total muitiple residence compte•r in the Northern Section of the Site, however, if this were done the entire aite would accomodate Two Hundred and Fifty (250) apartment uniYs with accompanying parking spaces. There vtas real question as to the need or rentablity of this many unita in thia area. This could only be proven by a slow and delib- erate development which could spread itself over many yeaxs. 7his 0 BUETOW & Associates Inc. , ArchiYects & Engineers 1925 West County Road $-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota Re: Springbrook Park Property DevelopmenC Page Three Bridley, Mianesota Project No. fi63Q CONGEPT (Gont. } also would require the use of presentiy zoned commercial property for multipie reaidence which again is not econom'scal2y feasible. This"L.d us to the conclusion that if the entire Northern Section were developed as commercial, adequatebuffering couid be accamplished to shield the adjacent single family zonin�s. This concept also made the project significant enough to be attractive to more substantzal commercial tennants, and the wHole cha:acter of the project couid be enhanced through a better economic position and consequently, better materials and more money could ba put into aite development. It also followed that tha commercial developmeut #aces a similarly � zoned area across the Easi River Road there by crearing a neighbox- . hood connmercial center. `� The Southern half of the Planned Development Diatrict more logically , � .4 � � kZUETOW ik Associates Inc. , Architects & Engineers 7925 �Yeat County Road B-2 _ Saznt Paul, Minnesota 55113 Re: Springbrook Park Property Development Page Four Frid2ey, Minnesota Project No. 6630 deve2opec3 itself as muitiple resi8ance since it can adequately be buffered from the adjacent aingle fami2y zonings and take advantage of the natural amenities of the wooded areas and the creek. THIS THEN WAS THE GONCEPT T�4'HICH t�YE CH0.5E TO DEVEL�P ,. DESIGN� The design concept attempts io recognize the character of t'ne property aad its relationship to adjacent zoniags, both residentia2 and comznercial. We endeavar to create a design which is basicalty residentiat in general characier using warm materials such as stained shingies and face brick and to create an architectural vocabulary which is the eame in boEh the muttiple residence aed the commercial development. This unity wili be carried out in the landecaping ptan and design relatino . the iwo developments to each other making them reallya single � � BUETOW & Associates Inc. , Architecta & Engineers 1925 West Gounty Road B-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota Re: Springbrook Park Property Developxr.ent Fridley, Minnesota Project No. bb30 GONSTRUCTION OUTLINE IvIULTIPLE RESIDETtCE SECTIGN: Footinga Foundations Framiag Exterior Walls Windows Exterior poors Roof Goncrete, Reinf, Goncrete Block Below Grade & Face with Brick where Exposed above Grading. Wood Framing Face Brick and Wood Shingles Wood. Gasement Double Glazed Anodized Aluminum Pitch and Gravel Page Six �1 .� BUETOW & Aseociates Ync. , Architects & Engineers 1q25 West County I.toad B-2 Saint Paul, Minnesota Re: $pzingbrook Park Property Development Fridley, Minnesota Project No. 5630 GOl\STRUGTSON OUTLiNi (GGNT. � Multiple Residence Section (coat. ); Interior Finishes Generally All: Walis Geilings Floors Doors & Frames � Mechanicai Syatems: Heating Air Gondicioning Hot Water Trash DisQosal Electrical Systems: Service Gypsum Boasd Gypsum Board Carpeted Throughout W ood Page Seve€i Gentrai Boiler with hydronic distribution Individual Thrcugh wa21 units. Cen4ral 1�Jater Heater witli Circulating water Pump. Refuse Pick-up Each unit metered separately. �; BUEfiOW & Asaociates Inc. , Archiiccts & Engineers 1925 Z'1'est Gour_ty Road 8-2 SainY Paul, Minnesota Re: Springbrook Park Pro�ery Deveto F'ridle P�e nt y , Minnesota Project No. 6630 COI3STRUCTION OU7LIDIE (GONT. j Multiple Residence Section (cont. j Garages: W2iis . ,. Roof Doors Floor SFi01"PIUtG GENTER : Foundations Floora �'� � i Concrete Block where Below Grade and F`�.ce Brick where Above G rade. Waod Frame , Deck Pitch and Gravet. Overinead Garage Ions each iJnit. Goncrete � 4" Slab on 6" Sand Gushion �'age Eight Reinforced Concrete Footings and Goncrete Block FoundationsWalls Except When Earth Retainage is GreaYer then 8' then Reinforced Concrete. Goacrete SIabs on Grade : Prestressed Concrete where suspended aboua grade. t �I i', J , ,1 � BUETOW & Associates Inc. , Architiects & Engineers 1925 West Gounty Road B-2 Saiat Paui, Minnesota 55113 Re: Spring}�rook Park Property Deveiopment Fridley, MinneROta Projec: No. 6640 GONS'FRUCTION OI7TI.INE {CO\?Te ) Shopping Center (cont. ) Framing Deck Exterior Walls Roof 'Window r^rainea Entrance Z'days In�.erior Walls & Partitioning Interior Floor Finishes: In Public Areas Page Nfr ne Steel Columns, Seams and Roof Framing Steel Deck Face Brick and Woed 5hingies Pitch and Gravel Aluminum Aluminum To be deYermined with tenants but in no case leas than FVood SCuds and Gypsum Board Painted. Terrazzo or exposed Aggregate Goncrete I :�• f' ,�J` i�.� . . .. :_ . . w... , _ _ _... _ .�_. ... . ,__ � BUETOW & Assaciates Tnc. , Architecte & Exigineers 1925 West Gaunty Road B�2 Saint I-'aul, Minnesota 55113 Re: Springbrook Park Property,,,�,?evetopment Fridley, Minnesota Project No. 6bsa GONSTRLiGTION OUTI.TIVE (GOrdT ) Shopping Genter {Gont. j Interior S� loor Finishes (cont. } In Tenant Areas Geilinga Mechanical Systeins: Heating & Air Gonditiotting Electrical Distributor SITE DEVEZ.QPIvIENT All Walks Ati Dxives and Parlcing A reas A11 Lavvn Areae 1'lant Materiai 1�'age 2en Minimum - Vinyl Asbestas tite or as determined by te nant. Minimum� Lay�in grid type Acoustic Ti1e. Throughout by uae of roof mounted gas fired units. In accordance with code and tenant requirements. Gancrete Bitutninous Crasa To tte Determiaed BUE70''N & Asaociatea Inc. , Architecta 3c Engineere 1925 West County Foad B-2 Saint Panl, Minxiesota Re: Springbrook Park l�roperty Development Fxidley, Minnesota Project No. G6?0 GQNS1'RUCTION SCIiEDi3 LE Page Eleven Assuming that Council Approvat is obtaiaed aa 2ater than �Iovember I, 196?, we anticipate the following construction scheduie: Start the multipie residence developrrtent Apri2 1, 2968 aud comp2ete by April 1, 1969. Start Yhe Gommerciai 1?evelopment April 1,1969 and complete April 1, 1970. TIiE ABOVE SGHEDULE, OF GOURSE, 7S GONTINGEIVT UPON: 1. Gaining necessary City Appravals and Buiiding Permita 2. �tainia� Necessary Fiaancing 3. Acts of Gad which mould Prelude the Sckedule � �,:�� +--:c-.. � � SUHFffSSIONS OF : SUBMITTED IIYs IIATE a ��,�,�,,�� �c.. / ��� � �— % ' � v � ;�, , a ��-.�z �,�. �� � � (� p ���.1�� �u� ���� PRSLIMINARY DEVEIDPMENT PLAN ��,�c,�� � ��;��� . '` ;/ �i(v/'.�5-z �i'(-� For: Hlxk One (1) Bourdeaux�s 5pringbrook Addition Lota �►s (1) Through Twelve (12) Inclusive Block SWo (2) Springbrook Addition Block One (1) Springbrook Park Second Addition Lotg Thirty-two (32) Through Thirty-five (35� Inclusive, B3.xk Tea (10) S�i.ngbrook Park Second Addition Lots one (1) Tta�ougn si�c (6) Inclusive Block A+Rivervic� FTsights Including ar� portion of Qacated Service Street and The Abandoned l�gnneapolis, 6noka & C�runa Range Railroad i�vlARD DUM?H3C� QrINER OCTOSEA 22, 1969 S , :z_ G �.I. �. c G� �Z-�h�/� ��1°� . � � `'_, ----'�� �..�1 � Z i�i�- t�� ���;� . . Y t SCHTsD llLE �F S�QBMIS S Z ONS WRITTEN INFORMATION 1. Is�cp]anation of Davelopment Plan. 2. Outline of Conatruction and Sita Development. 3. Development Schedule. � SCi�DUIE OF DRAWINGS 1. Site P].an - 1� Site PZan - 2. Floor Plan - 2. Floor Plaa - 3. Tqpical Elevations Scheme 1 Scheae 2 Scheme 1. Soheme 2 � � � a a1Di Springbrook Park ProperLy Development PiSd16y, �riri680't3 C ON CSPT When this propertp vas zoned a Planned *Jevelopmeat Aistrict� studies Were mede to determine the best uae oY the property xithin the limits of this zoning. Consideration sras given to use as multiple residence� tam houses, single family residencea, and conanercial. The property has peculiar topograptp� and natural amenties sueh as the creek and xooded areas. Thz property aeems to divide itself into tvo aegarate and distinct areas,-divided snd defined bp the creek. Atterapts vera made to develop a portion of the Northern Sectioa into Commercial and the balanca. of that section into multiple residence. This sras not successful on two counts: 1. It �as virtually impossible to develop_a commercial shopping ares and adequate3y buffer it from ar� multiple residence development on the same site because of space reatrictions. 2. 'de Yound that tenants for a smaller develogaent of thia nature were diPficult to secure and the rents were econamically infeasible. Sing2e fami� realdences �ere considered for the Northern Purtion of the site� hm+ever� because of the relationship and ctiaracter of the � existing structvres and the commercial development across the East River Road� there was not a good market that ve could find for the ktnd of aingle farid�y residences which we felt the site justiSied. I��E � , Res Springbrook Park Property Development Fridley� Minnesota CONCEPT (Cont.) Considaration vas given to t�e development of a total multiple resi— der�e complex in the Northern Section of the 31te, hoa�ever, if this t�ere done ths entire site wovld accomodate 41ro Hur►dred and Fif'ty (250) apartment units vith accompas�ing parldng spacea. There xas real question as to the need or rentability of this osas�r u�.ts 1n this area. This could only ba proven by a alov and deliberate development vhich could spread itself over ma� years. TkrLs also xould require the use of present�Y zoned commercia'_ property Yor multiple residence which again is not economically feasible. This led us to the conclusion that iY ttue entire Northern Section Were developed as comnercial� adequate bufYering could be accomplist�ed to stiield the adjacent single fami�y zonings. This concept a2so made the project signiYicant enough to be attractive to roore substantial commer— cial tenants, and the vhole character of the project could be enhanced through a better economic poaition and coneequently, better materiala and more money could be put into site development. It also followed that the commercial development faces a aimilarly zoned area acroas the East River Road there by creating a neighborhood co�rcial center. y The Southern half of the Planned devie�nent District more logical�y developed itself as mu2tiple residence since it can adequate]y be .� • Re; Springbrook Park Property Development Fridley� 2�nnesota COI�FCEPT (Cont. ) buffered from the adjacent single family zonings and take advantage of the natural amenities oY the woodAd areas and the creek. THIS TF�13 i�tAS THE CONCEPT WfiICH ir1E CHOSE TO DEVEIAP DIiSIGN The deaign concept attempts to racognize the character of the property and its relationship to adjacent zonings, both residential and comnercial. itie ecrleavor to create a design �hich is basical]y residentfal in general character using warm materials such as stveco and face brick and to create an architecLnral vocabu]ary Which is the same in both the mvltiple residence and the cormnercial development. This uinty �i21 be carried out in the landscap3ng plan and design relating the two develogments to each other making them really a single architectural statement, In doing this ve also paid respect to the general sloping character of the land ani to the creek and have designed ths baildings to Sit the p¢�operty rather than to flattea the site. " <a:�,� Hes Sp¢�ingbrook Park Propez�,y Development Fridley, Minnesota I1luminat3ons Standards for FScterior Spaces The commercial parldr� area xill be illuminated to an average level of two (2) foot candlea. Lighting atandards and fixtures riill be the equivalent of Revere� mercury vapor on alwninum pole. Lighting iti11 be designed and fixtures selected so that ]ighi will not be di.rected at adjacent residential areas. Parld,ng and drive-wa�V lighting in the apartment complex srill be designed to an average illwoanation level of one (1} foot C.�ndle genera7.l,y. Lighting fixturea xill be selected for primari�y f].Oo� lfghting and at a scale coimnensurate with the buildings scale. Lighti.ng patterns wi11 be desi�ed so that light wi11 not be directed to adjacent residential areas. All Walks+�*s and bridges will be adequately illwninated to provide ior safe pedestrian use and standards xill be selected to be commen- aurate with the general landscaping design concept. SIGNS The Landlord xill perndt reasonable scoue for irniividuality in tenants " signs� and to assist in maintaining the high architectural and business character of the slwpping center. Tenants must obtain the Landlrnds Rat Springbrook Park Property Deneiopment ' FMdleq� I�nnesota SIGNS ( Cont.) xritten approval in advance of all aigns and similar advertising material including lettering and other advertising media upon the ezteTior of the leased premises and the exterior and interior sur- £aces of all doors and shoN �indoias. Ar�y external signs uill be constructed on store fronts artd shall not projQct more than 12 inches i`ran the wall. No part of arqr external sign shall be attached to a� exterior canopy nor be placed so as to extend outside the area desig- nated Dy the Landlord�s Architects, for the exteri� sign panel of the premiees. I1luminated Si.gns shall not be oS the flashing type. Loudspeakers� phonographa� radios, and other �reans of broadcasting in a manner to be heard outside the leased premfses shall not be used. Aio sign or advertising medi.a shall be used so as to be a nuisance or a menace to the Iandlord or other tenants or neighbors. One single free standing sign vill be erected on tbe s3te which vill identify the shopping center. Such signs kill he approved by the city building inspector►s offica. PROCEI3UBE FOR ESTABISSHING STREET ACCESS APID EGRESS TO THE SHOPPING CEPtT"r:H, MID TO THE APARTDtENT C0t�1F.7C , It is our opinion that aripr street access and egress khich would be designed at this ti� will undoubted�y be subject to change. (Construction �� � Aet Springbrook Park Property Development FY'idley� iRinnesota PROCEDURE FOR FSTAHLISHING ST:REET ACCESS AND EORESS TO TI� SHOPPING C�NTER, AND TO Tt� APARTI�ENT COMPJEX. (Cont.) of auch access and egress xili require the approval of the City Engineer, the County Highw�v Engineers� poasib�y the State Highuay Department� as �tell as the developer.} We recognize that aqy vell intended design at this time vould also be subject to change by changing concepts or infor- mation on traffic Plows on the East River Road Which uould be outside the realm oY our dasign responsibility or ]mowledge� therefore� ve propose that the Sollociing prxedure will ba establ3shed for determining street.access and egress to the planned development property. When the final plan is approved and final Working dra�ings are being prepared� the developer will secure the approval of all citp, county and state agencies which will be affected by the desi�. It is assumed at this time that the develoner Will be responsible for the cost oY acceas and egreas construction up to the right of wqy line. Az� coat beyond th3a point xould be borne by the city� state or county agencies unless speci- t'ical�y negotiated with the developer. FOR ESTA3LISHING THE DFSIGN OF TRUCK rlJADING �INi, ARt�:AS IN THE CO1�L+�RCIAL CENT'r.;R Since at this time we do not have signed leases for tenants in the comaercial center� it is impossibls to anticipate bhe truck loading and unloading faci2ities required by the tensnts. Therefore, We propose the fo2loiring procedure for eatablishing tknse facilities. �� . Ret Springbrook Park Property Development PMdley� I�finnesota PROCEDURE FOR ESTABLISHING THE DESIGN dF TRUCK LOADIh(} AND UM.OADING AREAS ZN TFIE CO2�tERCIAZ, CENTER (Cont.) When the tenants+ needs have been established we xill desiga truck loading and un].oading facilities adequately designed for traffic flov and for proper acreening from adjacent areas. This design will be submitted to the FY�idley Engineering Office and Building Inspector�s Office for appraval and their appraval Hill be necessary prior to the construction of such facilitiea. In no case srill truck or other de]3vexy vehfcle be permitted to be parked in the truck passsges or « idading areas so as to interfere vith their use or in the parking area. �: Springbrook Park Propertp Dsvelop�ent Fridley� 2Rinnesota C 0 N S T R U C T I 0 N 0 U T L I H E iNLTIPiE R&SIDENCE SECTION: Footings Foundations Fraioing FS�terior Walls Windmas F.5[tertor poors Roof Irrterior FYnishes Genera].�y All ; Walls Ceilinga Floors Doors & F�ames Mechanical Systems: Heating Air Conditioning Hot Water �ash Disposal Electrical Systems: Service Concrete� Reinf. Concrete Block Belou Qrade & Face xith Brick �here E�cposed above Grading. Wood Framing Face Brick and Stucco Wood Casement Double Glaadd Auod:zed Alwrdnwn �Pitch and Granel Gypsum Board Gypsum Board Carpeted Throughout Wood Central Hoiler xith 1�d1`onic distMbution Individual Tiaough �all units. Central Water Heater vith Circulating xater Pamp. Refuae Pick-up Each tudt metered separate7y. ���� �: Springbrook Park Property Development iY�idley� Minnesota CONSTRUCTION OUfLINE (CONT.) MULTIPIE RESIDENCE SECTION (Cont.) Garages: Walls Roaf Doora Floor � sxorrzxc cErrr�t: Foundations Floors I�aming Deck Fxterior Walls Roof Concrete Block u here BeloW Grade and Face Brick vhere Above Grade. Ylood FY�ame, I1ack Ktch and (iravel. Werhead Garage Ions each nnit. Concreta — 1��� Slab on 6'� Sand Cushiott Alternate Reinforced Concrete Footirtga and Concrete Block Foundation Walls FSccept W1zen Earth Retainage is Greatsr then 8� then Reinforced Concrete. Concrete Slabs on Grade: Prestressed Concrete where suspended above grade. Steel Columns, Beams atd Roof Framing Steel Deck Face $ick and Stucco Fi.tch and (�avel �� ' Rst Springtmook Park Property Development FYidley� Mis�nesota CONSTRUCTION OUTLINE (CONT.) SHOPPING CENTER (Cont.) tllndow Frames &ttrance Ways Interior Walls & Partitioning I�erior Floor Finishes: In Public Areas In Tenant Areas Ceilinga Maahanical �rstems s He,ating & Air Conditioning Flectrical DistMbutor > Altnndmun Altanfman To be determined vith tertants but in no case leas then Wood Studs and (�ypsum Board Paiated. Terrazzo or exposed 9ggregate Concrete l4inim� - Vi�l Asbestoa tile or as deter�ned by tenant. Mini.mum - Iay-in Grid type Acoustic Tile. Ttu�oughout by use oY roof mounted gas fired units. In accordance with code and tenant requirements. E �ii. ■ . . R62 Spa�ingbrook Park Property Development FMdley, Minneaota SITE DfiVELOPMENT dll Wallm Al1 Drives and Yarldng Areas All 7artn Areas Plant Material Concrete Hittmdnoue Grass To be Determined C 0 N S T R U C T I 0 N S C H E D U L E ------------------- We anticipate the follos►ing construction schedule: Start the multiple residence development April 1� 1970 and complete by April 1, 1971. Start the Cocmnercial Developmient April l� 19T1 and complete April 1� 19T2. THE ABOVE SCi�DULE� OF COURSE, IS CONTINGERT UPON: l. Qaining necessary City ppprovals and Building Permits 2. Obtaining Necessary FYnanc3ng 3. Acts of (3od wMch vould Prelude the Schedule �:��.� . e � PRSLIMINARY DEVEIAPMENT PIAN STATISTICS Total Area oP Site For Multiple Residence For Commercial Building Area Multiple Residance {108 Units) (Not incl"�i ro garages} Commercial Parldng Multiple Residence (Open} ` (Garage or Ramp) Commercial fround Coverage of Structures T`,ultiple Res3dence (Not including garages) Co�rcial Bstimated Cost oP Construction and Site Development 559,2z5 s.�. (12.85 Acres) 266,500 S.F. 292,77� S.F. 98,70o S.F. 56�$00 S.F. 120 cars 1�0 cara 411 cara 32,90o S.F. 45,�o s.F. �2�5���.00 -� .� ` - \ � � _ : �_ . __. . _ � �� �� �i}stc uf �$lixntsufa II. Carst� o/ Aeo�Fa Howard J..�P�7: AmeLte &. DumPbYi Reaerroir Co., Inc., a MLnaeaota corporetion _ye_ Yillage of Fridley� a Mmiclpel cox�r ation 7�Hfi STATE OF MINNESOTA�, �. To: NasL H. Qureshi•!5495 N.E. Idain DISTRICT CODRT, Tenr6 Jrdiri.i D'unin SUBPOENA NO. 85Y (2 eets) (Dxret Tet+m) � File No. 3�27^�� Yon we bneb� raarmandrd !o aPpear befare tbs Dittrid Comt, at tbr Corr1 Hoxfe in tbe 27th As�st Cify of Anoia. Moln Conrly Mixnaaro, a+ tbr _.----_---'------ d% °i --------' 69 30:00 - A. 19�-, at o'dar�F ____ M., to tati(y erd �iae evidsrtts in /be above entitled action, and fo remain in dtesdnsce swit Jiirbarged by tbr Com. Yox ae firtbn diarted and rontmsnded !o bring witb rou Jbe %llawiad PoPnf and dorr- menU now i++ fonpo ueniae or uadn �mw �oa�rol � viz.: �ing al l raeords, plans and doamentS regazding Rezoning requezv t�A68o1Q and ZOAb$-lUA, as vrell as Springbrook Park planned develorment 7AA68-16. Jrdge o( tbir Gorrt, mid tbe ree! lbnea(, tbii 25� �Y � A�st, 1969r l.rtxed at +!x reqrett o(: Cerald H. Haaratt7 Atfane� for . ple1nt11fe e WITNESS tbe Nonorable Leonmd Kryes, (DISTRIGT COUk7 SEAL) RAYMOND NILSSON Cfak of Dittritt Cawt . Airo4a Cornl�, Minnetas � B� �PAMEIA L. SMITN 9 Depary ,� � ` :. � � � . ; OIGEST OF PUU79INGC�tISSION MEETINGS PRINGRROOK FARK 12-8-66 Schrceder of 8uetow F� Assoeiates appeared stating he xas the arcBiteet for lioWard Dumphy, who is the owner of the land. Stated he wished to discuss with the Co�ission the�general long- rang plan as related to the ptopeity. Piepared a map of the area and indicated they would proba6ly build some multip�e residence twrnhouses along the Creek and a shopping area. Planning Co�niSSion ezplained to-him Planned Development Rezoninq and petitiocer agreed to use this cype of rezoning. Fle was given an app1icaiior. 1-26-67 Consideration of request to rezone ftom C1F to PD Block 1 and fAts 10, 11, and 12, Block 2, Uourdeaux's Springbrook Park Addition, and rezone from R1 to PD Lots 1 through 9, Block 2, Bourdeaux'S Spring- brook Park Addition, and Block 1, Springbrook Park Second Addition. Dwphy pointed out tTat he did not at that time awn Lot 1, Block 2, Bourdeaux's Springbrook Park Addition, and it was noted that the public hearing notice vas to be wrrected. It was unanimously passed ta eonfirm� the public hearinR dated 2-23-67 for the rezoning request. 2-23-67 Public hearing. Schroeder of Buetox F, Assxiates explained thai the hearing tonight was to discuss rezoning ten acres of property to PD. Said if approved then specific plans would be subsitted to the planning commission and cow�cil. Said they were in a prelimiary state at this time. fle indicated the area was not desirable for single family sesidences. Said that oultiple dwellings would create a large potential tax base, and that the City Council had more control uver the design of the buildings. Salked about building one hundred or aore units and cownercial area. Dtember Erickson stateJ that apartments produee more taxes chan inuustriai. It was noted that the original plan did shw townhouses along the creek. Chairman IluEhes explained planne� development concept to xhose present. Member Erickson stated thac he would like to point ou2 co thosa pres.nt that chc public should famili:irize thowselves with the ordinance as it is s.mething tfiat gives good control over all types of usc. Ile siate� it was ■.�' � \ , �� -z- difficult to imaRine ha+ this area might be developed unless ic had somc organization because it has been sitting there for a long, long time. lbtion carried unanimously to recommend approval- of the rezoning request. � 7-Y7-67 Planned devclopment preliminary plans presentation by tiazold Schroeder. � Schroeder explained thai Dnmphy had nw+ acquired Lot 1, Bloek 2, Springbrook Park Addition, as well as the Southeast Corner at Ilugo 5treet and F.ast River Road (Lots 1 through 6, 81ock A, Riverview {leights and that port3on of the right of way of the lfim�eapolis, iLioka and Cuiuna Rangc Railroad Company lying between the north line of Wt 4 and ihe south line o£ Lot 1 extended). 'i'his was the property requimd for access frao the cor,�mercial area to Nugo Street. It was pointed oux that the proposal was not final and ihai any reco�endations or suggestions of the planning commission would be welcowe. The present plans showed that the initial plans from a small cammercial complex and 100 trn+nhouse unit had been changeL to a somewhat larger commercial area and apariment complex. The apart- ment complez would be south of the creek and aould house 10� to 125 amits rith garages. 8-3-67 Plais and subdivisions, streets and utilities subcommittee aeeting. Access to planned developiceni disxrict ZOA68-16 Ruxh Street and East River Qoad. At this meeting lir. Bather, traffic engineer frow St. Paul, gave 1�is opinion as to the traffic flow and other matters of concern to the committee. Mr. ScAroeder briefly explained ihe propose.t Jevelopment of the planucd derelopme�it disirict in Fairmont and East River Road. Meating contiuued until August 31, 1967, . a �� �\ \ -3- 8-10-67' Planning cauueission meeting diseussion as to effect of tmffic. Motion thac public hearing on Septe�ber 30,�1967 for rezoning. . . 8-31-67 Plats and subdivisions subcommittee meeting, Dumphy and Schroeder present. Assistant Engineer Clark presented infoxmation as to traffic count and discussion as to previous testimuny of Trafiie Engineer Bather. Schroeder said they were willing to design aceesa and egress anyway City recommends. 4-14-67 Public hearing planning commission. Ffs. Sch:oeder Teviexed with the public what had been done until that time. Ile pointed out that the plan was to develop commercially zoned property and multiple residences. He gave out a booklet on the preliminary development plan. It ras discussed that more work was necessary on the preliminary plans presented by the Commission and the engineering department. It vas decided to xable the public hearing until September 28, 1967. - 9-19-67 Building standard subcommittee. General discussion. 9-28-67 Continued public hearing of planning coimnission. Discussion of set-back parking and reduction of commercial area with incxased� parking area. General discussion of project. A motion passed io recommend approval of planned development as amended a2 tT�is meeting calling attencion to the Council of the changes. 5-23-68 Planning commision meeting. No quoruw present. Dumphy said he had acquired more property adjacent to the area. (This is Lois 3=, i3, 34, and 35, Block 30, Springhrook Park Addicion). Planning Commissior. advised previously this land was necessary to che aparcmeni complex as it xas shown on the original plan by Schroeder. Members present indicated approval of che plan. 6-33-68 Planning eomaission mceting. Review change in plamied develop- , een[. ttere Dmophy poinxed oui that Lots 32, 33, 34, and 35, Block 10, ... � ._.. __ ■ .[! � \ � '4' Springbrook Park Addition were approved in ihe otiginal pla», but not tAen owned by Dumppy. I!e stated he had now purchased them., Other changes were reviewed. It was pointed� out that the house on Lots S2 through 35, 81xk 10, Springbraak Park Addicion was co be remored. lbtion passed to continue planning emmnission discussion of the change in planned development xo the June 27 meecing. 6-20-68 Informal discussion in form of Memorandun brought to attention of petitioner that he needed a request for rezonir,g af the areas noi now in PD area. 6-27-68 Planning commission meeiing, coniinued meeting of June 20. Revieved changes in planned developRent. Petitioner presentcd a more up-to-date plan for the planned development and shwed that che land had been added for aecess o� lWgo Streat. All changes were discussed. Motion carried to recaomend approval of change in design for the Council. Preliunary plan subject to appioval of the finaI plans, and that Cowicil be requesced to examine the preliminary plans and report as xo cheir aeceptance of this plan. Chairman flughes stated he wanted it clear to the Comicil that [he Commission agrees in general with plans and rished indieaiion of opinion of Council. There were some things that needed revisioo in the plans, but it was pointed out that request for rezoning the additional aieas should be zequested. Uoophy brou�ht up the matier of Lots 32, 33, 34 and 35 having been included in the otiginal�plan and accepted even though he did not owne thea. Ffeaniime he purchased them and wanted to know if he had io go through the reioning process again, and was told he vould. 5-22-68 PuUlic hearing to rezone addional portim�s. It vas poinced out to the public that awst of the area was already xoned planned development, only these small parcels wtrc bcing aJded. Plamiing eommission recommonded approva] of the rezoning request from R1 to PD as to the addicional areas. Rovicu_o£'Louncil-ectiar-omSpringbrook ■�'#. �� DIGLST OF COUNCIL ACTION ON SPRINGBROOY PARK PLh\NLD DLVELOPNCN7' 3-b-67 City Nanager read motion by ihe Planning Commission recommending approval of the rezoning requast. Public hearing set for ►farch 13. - 3-13-67 First reading of Ordinance rezoning to planned deve)op- went. Mr. Schroeder representing Dumphy showed the Council maps and plans for the area. Iie indieated he was asking for rezoning only and had no final plan of development, but had some design work which had been prepared for discussion purposes. He explained that single family use was inappzopriate. He pointed ont general plans but stated ihis Kas only an idea to shar the scale of things they were thinking about. Said they rere thinking of two and a half to three story apartment units, some tovnhouses along the other bar.k snd a shopping center. Afotion earried unanimously to adopt on first reading the ordinanee percaining to planned developuient. 3-20-67 Motion canied unanimously to adopt ordinance on second mading. 30-2-fi7 Council received the minutes of the planning commissior. of September 28, 1967 and set public hearing on planned development. 30-13-67 Special councll meeting. Approval of preliminary development plan of planned developmeni. City engineer outlined the highlighxs for tha Council and explained the area was already zoned as planned develop- nent, that the concept had changed from the one originally planned in that the developer has eliminated the tovnhouses, and it will be apart- �ent houses and shopping azea. This�was a lengihy discussion abou[ the area and the changes intluding right of way, acess, sewer and wacer utilities, etc. _ �i �\ \ -Z- Dumphy said he had no++ acqui:ed the Hugo corner (lots 1, 2,.3, d S and 6, all in Block A, and the railroad right of way). a 8zochure was presented at that time by Schroeder of euetow f, Assxiates. 11e public hearing was closed and the Cixy Engineer was direeted to wake a list oF changes and recommendations and that approval would be given gontingent upon the listed items being eex. The Engineer then on November 17, 1967 submitted a report on Spring- brook Park develop�ent. . 13-20-67 City EnRinecr said that developer had agreed to the items recommended to him, Council coacurted with recommendations, and suggested changes by the Engineer unanimously. 7-1-68 Regular Council meeting. Reviewed changes in planned develop- oent. Comcil■an Liebel observed that land seemed to be utilized more effectively in the new plan. It was unanimously roted io concnr r+ich the planning co�ission and to direct she administration to initiate the necessary public heaiing notice foi rezoning requesx. City Engineer explained that planned development ana a plan is for the c�plete district and auUority £or control.is in the City Council. 9-3-68 Regular council meeting. Minutes of planning commissim� of August 22, 1968 ven received.� � The City Engineer explained why the planning comwission feli the request should be approved in that if the additiwis to ihe PD district were also included in thc distriet it would allow for close control of these additional parcels �lso. 10-14-68 Pnbiie hearing on sezoning request, of n�ditional areas, TTis ceeting some rasidencs complained of the whoke concept. Mnyor Kirkham �I . .;. , � \ -3- explained thc major portions of the land had already been zoned to PD and it was lar that only the new areas that could be considered. Caoicilman Leibel said thac at that time he had never seen plans before. 30-21-68 Regular comcil meeting. .Considcration of ordinance of iezoning additional areas by a vote of 3 in favor and 2 opposed the iezoning;request foz the additional areas was denied. 1=6-69 Discussion for reconsideration of denial. No vote. -� � ■ �l�F :� �, / � e� ! '� � �Y r CITY OF FRIDLEY PI,ANNING COMNIISSION MEETING OCTOBER 6� 1976 PAGE 1 CAI,L TO ORDER: Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:38 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present; Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Peterson (arrived 5:00), Schnabel, Shea Members Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Boardman� City Planner �ck Sobiech, Public Works Director APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTFS: SEPTE2�IBER 22, 1976 MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Coimnission minutes of September 22, 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote, all votmng aye, the motion carried unanimously. WiV'1'l1VUP;1J: YUtSLlI: riP:At[1Nli: I:UNSIU1�;tiA'1'lUN UP' A YHUYV7P:U Yk{!';L1M.LNAHY YLA P.S. 7-0 CENTRAL TOWNHOUSE ADDITION BY EVERT SWANSON: Being a repl o Lo , excep the East 190 feet thereof� an except the West 1% feet taken £or highxay purposes, and the West 11�7.%� £eet of Lot 18� all in Auditor�s Subdivision No. 129� to allow the development o£ a 36 unit townhouse site� the same being located at the intersection of CentraZ Anenue and 73rd Avenue N,E. Public Hearing closed. Mr. Evert R. Swanson� property owner� and Mr. A1 Hoffinez�r� architect, were present. Mr. Boardman explained that this uas a preliminary plat on the townhouses to locate the buildings on the site and also clean up the legal description� and it was a typical to�*nhouse type plat. Chairperson Harris stated there had been a question at the last meeting concerming parking stall locations, and Mr, Boardman showed the Commission a plan depicting parking stalls. Ae said thet a2though these plans did not show it� Mr. HofS�eier had guaranteed he would also shift the buildings. Mrs. Schnabel said that they should note that the number o£ parking spaces had changed from the plan presented at the last meeting. Mr. Hoff.meier said 5 � Planning Cormnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 2 5A he had made a mistake in his mathematics on the first one. He stated that the requirement xas for ninety parking stalls� and they had 99. Chairperson Harris marked the plan shoxing the parking stalls as exhibit D. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval o£ the proposed preliminary plat, P.S. #76-08, Central Toxnhouse Addition� by Etirert Swanson: Being a replat of Lot 19, except the East 190 £eet thereo£, and except the West 17 £eet taken £or highway purposes, and the West 1117.71t £eet of Lot 18, all in Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, to allow the development o£ a 36 unit toranhouse site, the same being located at the intersection of Central Avenue and 73rd Avenue N.E. Mrs. Schnabel said that in looking back in the minutes from the last meeting� one of their concesns was the reviex of the assessment type items relative to 73rd Street. Mr. Boardman stated that the sewer and vater and storm sewers that were in the streets were designed to carry capacity loads £or development in that area. He added that this development would not overburden that load. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Pi1BLIC HEARING; BY WYMAN SMITH: thereof; also the Easterly 50 feet thereof� Auditor's Subdivision No. 89� £rom R-3 (general multiple £ami�y dwellings), to C-1 (local business areas)� or G2� (general business areas)� to allow the construction of a speculative building to be used for of£ices and assemblies� generally located on the South side o£ Norton Avenue N.E, where it intersects with Central Avenue N.E. Public Hearing closed. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergman� that the Planning Commission receive the letter dated October 5, 1976 to the City o£ Fridley £rom Leroy Smith withdraving this request. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Earl Dunbar, 12l�$ Norton Avenue N.E., stated he had a petition which he rrould like put in the files for £uture reference. Chairperson Harris read the petition, dated October !�, 1976, a2oud: We� the undersigned, as concerned residents o£ Norton Avenue Northeast, City o£ Fridley� wish to make the £ollorring statement o£ our wishes and desires concerning the proposed rezoning request� ZOA 76-Os, to rezone the Easterly 200 feet of lot 13� except the Northerly 30 feet thereof and also the Easterly 50 feet thereof� auditors subdivision No. 89, from R-3 to C-1 or C-2: v It is our desire that the above request be denied� and that any `� similar request be likewise denied; in short� that the property mentioned, as well as a11 unoccupied property on Norton Avenue Northeast� �~ . remain R-3. '. Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page � 5B Our primary reasons for this position are: l. That the proposed changes would lead to a decline in property values. 2. That the increased personal and vehicular traffic on the street would be disturbing to the residents. 3. That the increased traffic will endanger the safety o£ the children and property of the homeowners. Chairperson Harris noted that the petition had ten signatures. MOTION by Shea, seconded by LangenPeld� that the Planning Commission receive the petition from the residents of Norton Avenue dated October 4� 1976. Upon a voice wte� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris stated that he would give the peition to the City Administra- tion to be put in the file. TABI,ED: UVi[YVKA'1'1V1V1 15Clrig 6 P@P18L OI LOLS 1 LO q 1i1C1ll5148� tilOCkS "Ll thP011gh , an�lso part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side o£ East Bavarian Pass and South o£ Meister Road N.E. Public Hearing open� tabled August 18, 1976. Mr. Jim London with Darrel Farr DeveloFsnent� and Mr. Darrel A. Farr aere present, Mr. Boardman explained that this had been tabled until Darrel Farr Corporation was ready to go with it, and they were now ready to proceed. He said that this was in the townhouse area and they wanted to increase the size o£ six proposed single-car garages to double-car garages. Mr. London shozaed copies of the proposed plat to the Coimnission. Ae explained that he and Mr. Farr had met with the 7nnsburck North Townhouse Association Arch�teetural Control Committee and the Operating Committee o£ the Innsbruck North Townhouse Association� and they had worked out this proposed replat of the Third Addition. He said that their proposal was to provide 12 double garages in lieu oY the 12 single �arages that were on the original plat. Mr. London explained that they hadn't changed the total number o£ parking spaces as they had increased the inside parking by 12 spaces and decreased the outside parking by 12 spaces. He said that in their agreement with the Innsbruck Townhouse Association they were moving blocks 5, 6, % and 8 to the bottom o£ the page five feet to give a minimum of almost 50� between buildings £or movement o£ tra£fic, parking, and so £orth. He added they had also moved the garages in blocks 5 and 6 so the garage and house would be more in line and open up the green area between buildings. Mr. London added that they were Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page � 5 C going to offer a standard garage door operator to beisold with each garage so people would use the indoor parking more. Chairperson Harris asked : Mr. London if he was aware of the letter from Mr. Jerry W. Anderson, Chairman of the Architectural Control Committee, to the Planning Commission, dated July 20, 1976. Mr. London said he was, and that they had had their meetings after that. He explained that letter was written the first time they had appeared before this Commission, and there were three subsequent meetings after that srhen this plat was worked out. Mrs. Schnabel asked if there vould be any outside parking, and Mr. London replied that it wasn�t shown on this plat, but there would be. Mr. Boardman asked if units 7 and 8 were moved� and Mr. London replied they had been moved back from the street. Mr. Boardman stated that Staff had no problem wi.th this preliminary plat. MOTION by Shea� seconded by Langen£eld, that the Planni.ng Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration o£ a prelimi.nary plat, P.S. #{76-05, Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corpora- tion. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 8:05. Mr. Bergman stated that initially he had some concern about the lack o£ a letter in writing from the Architectural Control Committee to mate with the letter on page 45 oY the agenda. Hoxever, he said, the lef�ter from that Coimni.ttee says they have a verbal agreement with Jim London, and since Mr. London now told the CQmmission they are in aceord, he didn'i ieel.the conoern that a.ietter was needed for reference purposes. Chairperson Harris suggested it would be well to have that letter for the City Council. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Coimnission recommend to Council approval of preliminary plat� P.S, #76-05, Innsbruck North Replat Thizd Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Develo�anent Corporation: Bei.ng a replat o£ Lots 1 to 1� inclusive, Blocks 21 through 26, and also part o£ Lot 1� Block 28� Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition� to allow changes in the size oi garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South o£ Meister Road N.E. Mas. Schnabel said that the original request form sai.d to increase the size of five proposed garages� and the request was actually £or six. Mr. 7,ondon said that was just an error� and it should be six. Chairperson Harris suggested that be cleaned up before the request went to Council, UPOR A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. as follows: That part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, lying West of a line drawn £rom the most Northerly corner of Outlot C� Innsbruck Villages, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A, Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating, the purpose of the plat to allow £or a more feasible Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 5 5 D distribution of the same number of units in the development, generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N.E, and West of the Black k'orest Apartment. Mr. Jim London, with Darrel A. Farr Developqnent Corporation, and Mr, Darrel Farr were present. MOTION by I.angenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addition! by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote, all voting �ye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:10. Mr. Boardman stated this xas somewhat confusing� and directed the Co�mnission to turn to page 55 of their agendas which sho+/red what hadooriginally been proposed. He showed the Commissioners the new plat and explained what changes had been made, and explained the land change would be equal. He said they had £elt that several buildings were too close to the apartment area, so they were elimi.nating "B"� were switching �A" closer to the cul-de-sac, and putti.ng xh�t had been "A" back into Outlot C. He stated there would be the same number of units on the plat� hut just in a different location. He added that the square footage would be adjusted to be equal. Mr. I.ondon said that this had been approved originally for 100 units, and they now had 96, so there was a reduction. He stated that the land areas �,*ould be an equal swap; neither the Black Forest or Innsbruck Village would lose any land. Mr. Milton Bullock, 5674 Arthur Street� Fridley� asked if he could see a copy of the plat. Mr. Boardman shozred Mr. Bullock and other interested residents the proposed plat and explained it to them. Marjorie Phelan, Matierhorn Drive, asked if an II�vironmental Lnpact Study had bean done in this area. Mr. Boardman replied that none vas done, and enplained that the only wa� they would have been required to do an D�vironmental Impact Study was through a petition, and no petition was drawn up. Ms. Phelan said she lmex this was after the fact, but she felt what was being done in that area was a shame. She asked i£ the City of Fridley didn�t have ar�y responsibility to protect the environment. Mr. Boardman replied they did, and it would have been up to the City Council at the time the first plats came in. He said the City Cbnncil tried to realize some o£ the environmental problems on this; how- ever� it would have been difficult srhen this came through to tell them they had to do an environmental statement �.*ithout the State EQC rules and regulations to back them up. He added it was also pretty hard for the Council to deny some- one use o£ his property� but they could put restrictions on that property to be as environmentally conscious of the property as possible. Chairperson Harris stated that the City had spent a lot of time ard energy, as did the developer� trying to work out a workable plan to save as many trees asd preserve the area as much as they could, He explained that they did not have the tools at that time that they had now to require �vironmental Impact 5tatements. Ae further explained that didn�t take affect until the first part Planning Conunission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 6 of 1971i� and this plat had been in the works si.nce 1970. Mr. Bergman stated that the history actually went back about 9 or 10 years xhen the entire 130 acressite of Innsbruck North both in Fridley and New Brighton waseproposed £or rezoning for multiple family apartments and townhouses. He said the people in the neighborhood fought successfully against rezoning efforts which would have converted the entire acreage to multiple family. The people in the neighborhood xere in contact rrith city, county, and state agencies promoting all or part of that area as park land to try to retain its natural state without success, Mr. Bergman said it was rezoned about ten years ago for the purpose that the developer now wants, so he felt that the ecology e£fort should have been applied 9 or 10 years ago prior to its rezoning for multiple £amily. Mr. Peterson said that he thought they had to realize that probably everybody at this meeting who owned a home had probably cut down trees to build that house. He stated it was always easy to say that somebody else should preserve their property in its natural state, and he thought that the Darrel Farr Corporation had been very cooperative in trying to do all they could to preserve the beauty of the area. He added that he felt it should be pointed out that people did have certain rights to develop the property they owned, Mr. Farr stated that they had done as good a job as they could to maintain the land, He said it wa5 costly to develop, and because of that cost the homes were more highly priced than comparable homes in other areas. Therefore� he continued� they had to have some competitive advantage £rom a business standpoint� and that was the trees and ponds. He added that they did dedicate a site to the City of Fridley for park purposes that was larger than the site they were presently developing for the villages. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the tvo buildings that were being currently constructed on North Innsbruck Drive would be models. Mr. Farr replied that the first two buildings would be sold, He explained that the first building was intended to be a model, but since the decision to incorporate double garages was made along irith other architectural changes of a minor nature� the models would actually be block 19. Mr. Bullock stated he had a question concerning the road. He said that at the last Cotmnission meeting he attended he understood the road that vould be constructed between the divisions coming out on Arthur Street would be single lane and would be angled to the North� and asked if this xas still the case. Mr. London said the road would be built to the letter of the agreement with the City of Fridley. 5E Mr. Bergman said they had all spent a lot of time at previous meetings concerning the building plan, street patterns, setbacks� etc., and he was just wondering how approval o£ this plan would affect the agreement, stipulations, and negotiated compromises that were made through the previous grocess. Mr. I.ondon said that the agreement stands. He explained they were not asking for sny changes in that agreement. Mr. Bergman then asked iP the request could be rephrased to 1) include a reduetion in density from 100 units to 96� and 2) to merely relocate units A and B from the previous plat, Mr. London said the only other change would be Planning Coimnission Meeting - October 6� 1976 Page 7 5 F the land slot, He showed Mr. Bergman the plat and explained what he meant. Mr. Roberi '1lirek, 5b29 No. Danube Road, asked if somewhere in the City there was a master plan that showed the way things were going to be. Mr. Boardman said they had an over-a11 concept, but it didn't show where all the buildings would be. Chairperson Harris said that they would have somethigg on all buildings that were under construction at this time. Mr. Rl�rek asked if he could get copies of the letters that had been discussed, and was told he could. Mr, Bullock asked if the direction of the road in question had been drawn on any plan shorring the degree o£ angling to the North, and Mr. Sobeich replied that construction plans had not been drawn. Mr. Bullock asked how they would be able to lmow when it had been drawn so they could express their opinions, and Mr. Sobeich said the o££ice could just take his name and if he was interested show him the plans. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Co�nission close the Public Hearing on consideration o£ a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote� all voting �ye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hesring closed at 8:1y8 P.Ni. Mrs. Schnabel cownented that one thing that had concerned her before was the mai.ntenance o£ North Innsbruck Drive, and she was now happy to see things were moving along as approved. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Co�nission recommend to Council approval of preliminary plat� P.S. #76-10, Innsbruck Villages Second Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation: Being a replat of the Eastern houndary of Innsbruck Villages Addition� described as follows: That part of Outlot A, Innsbruck North, lying West of a line drawn £rom the most Northerly corner of putlot C� Innsbruck Villages, to the most Southerly corner of Outlot A� Innsbruck Village and said line there terminating� the purpose oP the plat to allow Por a more £easible distribu- tion of the same number o£ units in the development� generally located North of North Innsbruck Drive N,E, and West of the Black Forest Apar�ment. Mrs. Schnabel noted that the planning and zoning form did not shov a fee paid £or the request. Mr. London said it had been paid, and Mr. Boardman agreed it had. Mr. Bergman said he would like to suggest an additional statement to the motion saying "with the understanding that a11 stipulations and agreements which were part of the previous preliminary plat recommendation be retained°. Mr. Peterson AMIIVDID the MOTION to include the statement by Mr. Ber�nan. Mi'. Langenfeld agreed, UPON A VOICB VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. PfJBLIC HEARIN(i: CONSIDIIi�TION OF A PROPOSID PLAT P.S. #7b-07 HOTTLU OAKS. BY THE ROTTLUND COMPANY: Being a replat of Lots , 7� , 9� 10� Planning Coimni.ssion Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 8 5G 1l�, 15, 16 and 17, Block 1, Spring Brook Park Second Addition, together with Lots 32 and 33� and the West 30 feet of I.ots 3Lt and 35� Block 10� Spring Brook Park Additmon, znned P,D. (Planned Develo�ttnent), generally located between Ruth Street N.E. and East River Road N.E., North of Liberty Street N.E. Mr. David H. Rotter of Rottlund Company was present. MflTION by Peterson� seconded by Langen£eld� that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration oY a proposed plat, P.S. #76-07� Rottlund Oaks, by the Rottlund Company. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:55 P.M. Mr. Boardman explained this was a proposal For 13 lots off oF a cul-de-sac� and the lot wi.dtts at the 35' setback were shown. He said that Staff would suggest a lot be dropped to bring it up to vhat the code requirements were £or lot widths� and also to make the lots more salable. Mr. Peterson asked if all of the lots met the minimum area requirements in terms o£ square footage, and Mr. Boardman sai.d he believed they did. He eacplained that lot 7 was a 50' lot that had an existing house on it. Mr. Boardman said that they were asking a lot be dropped because although the lots might meet the square footage requirements, in order to meet the 75' width on the lot it may be required to have a setback of !�0 or lt5 feet. Mr. Rotter stated that they Were not trying to increase the number of lots over the original plan; he said that in this area with the original street patterns there were the same number of lots. He explai.ned the reason for platting it this wa,g was because of the unusual terrain o£ the property and by pulling the cul-de-sac back up they xere forced to reduce the lots. He stated they would like to leave these lots as they were buildable. Chairperson Harris read the following letter to the City of Fridley Planning Coir¢nission from Mr. Rotter� dated October 4, 1976: We would like to briefly explain our position in our request £or preliminary approval o£ Rottlund Oaks. After study on our part as to the topography of the area and neighbor- ing property� we felt the majority of this property would best be suited £or residential construction other than Lots 11� 12 and 13� of Spring Brook Park, 2nd Addition, xhich we would use as a multi-family area. In the past� this property has been approved for a 108 unit apartment bu�lding. The high density use of this land would not be conducive with the neighboring streets of Liberty and Ruth� which now is single family homes. In order £or this property to be developed both economically and esthetically, we are proposing the replatting of the lots as indicated in our applica- tion and preliminary plat. The number of lots we are requesting on the replat is the same number o£ lots on the original plat. Planning Con¢nission Meeting - October 6� 197b Page 9 5 H MOTION by Iangenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Con¢ni.ssion receive the letter from Mr. Rotter to the Planning Commission dated October 11� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting qye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Rotter stated that they were trying to utilize the property as ecottomically as possible� and were not trying to gain anything oatoo£ the property or pick up an extra lot. He added that hopefully the purchase of the existing home would be made by the Rotilund Company. He said that they were also the owners of lots 1, 2, 3 and 1� on the South portion of Liberty Street and were building single family homes on this nox. Mr, Rotter sai.d that as far as marketability went as mentioned by Staf£, he felt they irere marketable this way and wanted to hang on to all the lots they had. Mr, Peterson asked what Mr, Rotter's plans vere for lot 7 if he purchased the existing structure there. Mr. Rotter replied his i.ntention was to resell� as there was nothing wrong with the house. Mrs. Schnabel asked why he was replatting from the original plan to the one presented at this meeting. Mr. Rotter explained that lots 1l�, 10, 9 and 8 were practically unbuildable unless the entire area xas filled. He said the cul-de-sac would be at the top of a swale line that dropped about 18'� and that by pulling this back up they could leave the majority of the trees. He explained that building on East River Road wouldn't be as salable with the trees gone. Mr. Bergman said he got the impression that every lot facing the cul-de-sac was more than 9�000 square feet� and asked Mr. Boardman if he had checked the sizes, Mr. Boardman said the lots were all in excesso£ 9,000 square feet� and their consideration would be that no variances be granted on these lots. Chairperson Harris asked how far back the houses would be set from the cul-de-sac, and Mr. Rotter replied that on lots 3, �� 5 and 6 the houses would probably be back about 1�5'+ Mr• Haxris asked hox far back the house on lot 8 would sit� and Mr. Rotter stated that he would try to blend the houses so it uould look like a neighborhood. Chairperson Harris explai.ned that the City had an ordinance concerning average front yard setbacks zrhich allowed, he believed, only a 6' deviation. Mr. Boardman pointed out that on lot 8 Mr, Rotter could deviate the house back £rom the one on lot 7� and Mr. Rotter said he could also put the garage toward the front to bring it closer. Mrs. Schnabel noted that in the original plan dsted back in 1967 there was some discussion about conunercial development. She said they xere ignoring lots 11� 12 and 13� and asked if Mr. Rotter still intended to put a commercial area in. Mr. Rotter replied he did not� and explained those lots were £or multiple purpose and not £or commercial. Mr. Howard Dumphy stated he was representing the owners of lot 15 of block 10, Spring Brook Park, and lots 32 and 33 and the West 30� of lots 34 and 35, Spring Brook Park. He said these lots were being purchased by the applicant and they were willing to go along with the request, but in the event the purchase uas not consumated they felt the_replatting should noi be considered. Planning Co�nission Meeting - October 6� 1976 Page 10 5 I Mr. Azad Mesrobian� 298 Ely Street N.E.� asked for a definition of Planned Unit Development. Mr. Boardman explained that required the developer to bring in a plan showing how he would develop the property, and the code required the developer to appear before a Public Hearing and have complete, complex drawings of what was proposed. He explained that Planned Unit Development could include commercial, residential, etc., in a combination. Mr. Mesrobian asked how many of these planned units were multiple dwellings� and Mr. Soardman replied that Mr. Rotter was deneloping the lots off of F1y Circle into single-family hoffies. Mr. Charles Sprafka� 280 Ely Street N.E., stated he wished to commend Mr. Rotter and Rottlund Company Por proposing the movement o£ the cul-de-sac away from the street to preserve the beauty of the area. Mrs. Schnabel noted that Mr. Boardman had recommended that the petitioner give up a lot in the proposed plan� and asked if there was some specific plan in mind. Mr. Rotter explained he had talked to Darrel Clark briefly about this. He said that he did not vish to drop a lot in the area as he was trying to operate within the total number o£ lotsooriginally platted. Mrs. Shea asked if lot $ was 100' uide, and Mr. Rotter said that lot was 7$'• Chairperson Harris asked if the lots xould meet the minimum requirements for width if they were at the lt5� setback line. Mr. Boardmsn replied they would in all cases except lot #7, where the existing house was. Mr. Boardman suggested i£ this proposal was adopted that they would maintain a setback at some point where they could build where the lot xidth was 75'. Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Rotter if he would be willing to agree that the setback xould be at 1�5� for a 75' width. Mr. Rotter replied that it depended so much on the lay of the land. He said he didn't want to end up pushing the houses back into the area and defeating the purposedof the cul-de-sac. He added that he would not request a varience for any of the lots as proposed as £ar as side yard setbacks. Chairperson Harris said that the problem �ras they had a platting ordinance that states that minimum lot width be 75' at the 35' setback line. He explained that if they approved this plat as it �ras� they were in violation of the ordinance. Mr. Rotter asked i£ they were suggesting that a setback be maintained that vould give them 75� at the building line, and Mr. Harris said that was correct. Mr. Peterson sai.d they had heard neighbors commend Mr. Rotter for a plan to save the ecology of the area, and they on the Planning Commission were trying to force Mr. Rotter to accept a plan that vould £orce him to destroy trees. Chairperson Harris said he was not sure that was what they xere doing. Re stated they required that the location of the buildings be presented before they approved a Planned Unit Development, so all that work would have to be done ahead of time, h1r. Peterson stated he understood that, but they did bend the ordinances under certain circumstances and he thought that as a Commission they should be listening to what the people in the sudience vere telling them who were neighbors o£ the developer. Mr. Spra£ka asked if it would be possible to obtain an F3ivironmental Impact Statement that would have preeedence over the local ordinance in this case to waive that requirement� or if something could be done at State level. Chair- person Harris stated they could handle this as a Planned Unit Development where Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 11 5 J the locations of all the buildings would have to be presented on a plan� shoring contours and the whole layout before the plan xas approved. Mr. Boardman added that actually the Planning Commission could not waive any o£ the codes, but could make a recommendat�on to the City Council. Chairperson Harris said that Mr. Rotter could drav the houses on the plat to see iY the setback requirements would destroy the tress or if they wouldn!t. He added that the Coirunission should £ind out if Mr. Rotter felt that the requirements would work a hardship be£ore they recotmnended approval of the plat. Mr. Boardman suggested a motion that would say Mr. Rotter would attempt to maintain the 75� lot width at the building site location� and would require a variance to this if that building location was any less than 75�. He said that way the Appeals Commission could look at it� and he thought that in most cases it wouldn�t take the 1�5� to get the 75� width. Mr. Rotter stated he wanted to utilize the property as best he could, and there were 60' lots in the area where homes had been built. He said that if he had to push the homes back to 50 or 60 feet� it might meet the letter of the law but it might not be presentable as such. Chairperson Harris said that perhaps he should determine where the 75' lines were and sketch in a rough dwelling size and see how exactly they would fit in on the lot, Mr. Rotter said he would consider that, but he had already done the North section oF the area without follorring this £ormat. Mr. Aarris said that apparently someone in the past had decided not to £ollow the ordinance. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Rotter what his plans were in terms of time� and Mr. Rotter replied he would like to start construbtion on lots 5� 1 and 7 in a very short time. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by LangenFeld, to continue in two weeks the Public Hearing on consideration o£ a proposed plat� P.S, //76-07, Rottlund Oaks, by the Rottlund Company, and ask the developer to bring in a sketch showi.ng the locatmon of the buildings regarding the 75' width and setback requirements, Mr. Peterson explained that they really had nothing to go on at this ti�rie� and the sketch would let them lmow if they rrere causing Mr. Rotter a hardship or not. Mr. Bergman stated he thought they vere overburdening this thing, He said he eas sure that eventually Mr. Rotter would have to do:.�rhat riad been suggested, but he was not sure that what would be done to shov the building setbacks and 75� lot width at the building location would be that firm or valid at this point as it would be at the time Mr. Rotter would seriously construct something. He stated that he was impressed that one of the public bene£its of establishing continuity was not really that applicable around a cul-de-sac as in a straight-line block. Mr. Bergman said he was reco�izing that this particular piece o£ land was causing some develogment problems, and was consid- ering that the 75' width was really not that uniform�y adhered to. Chairperson Aarris stated that in all new plats it was. Mr. Bergman said that it may be adhered to on nezr plats� but not in building construction on presently platted property. He said he was questioning that that requirement was legally applicable in a Planned Unit Development, Mr. Harris said it was. Planning Commission Meeting - October 6� 1976 Page 12 5 K Mr. Peterson stated his first inclination would be to vote for Mr. Rotter's request, but as the discussion went along he felt it was un£air to the Planning Commission to vote without lmoving if it was one, two, or three lots that would be working a hardship on Mr. Rotter, and that was the reason £or his motion, Mr, Langen£eld added that what it boiled down to was that they were just asking that the Planned Unit Develo�nent procedure be followed to the letter. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimoasly, Mr. Rotter said he wished to point out that the original development plan of this property was for a 108 unit apartment building, which would have been a disaster in that area. He said he didn�t want to completely go �t,hrough the Planned Development procedure because of the length of time it would take� but he was trying to better the property other than the previously planned monster that was going to go there, and he wished the Coamission would consider that in their determination. OF REZONING THE Tabled at September 8� 1976 Planning Commi.�sion meeting. Mr, Boardman explained that this item had to do with item 5, the proposed plat by the Rottlund Company, and suggested that this be continued in two weeks also. MOTION by langenfeld� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission continue in two weeks the consideration of rezoning the PD District in the 8110 block of East River Road to R-1. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Rotter said that item 6 was an item brought to the Commission by Staff, and explained he was not requesting rezon£raig on that property. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT P.S. #76-09 DELIER ADDITION, BY DONALD M. LEIER: Being a replat o I�ot 33� Auditor's Subdivision No 129� to s11ow the develoFxnent of 3 R-1 lots (single family dwelling area) and ly R-3 lots� (general multiple family units)� generally located in the 15f30 Block between 73� avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E. Mr. Donald Leier was present. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the'Plaaning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. #'jb-09� Deleier Addition, by Donald M. I�eier. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 9:Lt5 p.M. Mr. Boardman directed the Cormnission to turn to page 7200£ their agenda and pointed out the general location of the area. He said there were plans that Planning Cammission Meeting - October 6� 1976 p�e lj 5 L 73-'g would go through that property and connect up to Onondaga Street. He explained that this was an existing plat from Auditor�s Sub� and what vas being requested was a replat of that Auditor's Sub. He stated that page 73 showed what was involved, and sai.d at this time Mr. Leier was planning on going s.ri.th single family homes in the R-3. Mr. Boardmen said that i£ an apartment unit was allowed in there as it vas according to the zoning� he would suggest that a stipulation be made allotiring no access to ']3� St. He brought to the Commission�s attention a memo £rom Tom polbert dated October 5, 197b concerning the watermain, sanitary, and easements in the Deleier Addition. Mr. Leier said he bought the property not knowing of the platting� and found out Lakeside Road was supposed to extend to the cul-de-sac. He said he had invested in this an� would have to go ahead with it. Mr. Leier said the lots were not 75' wide� but 72.25' xide� and it was a tough situation. He added that this was an area where large homes would not be built, and the square footage on the smallest lots were 9�970 feet and and the largest was 11�000 square feet. Chairperson Harris asked i£ the area designated as R-3 was all one parcel now, and was told it was, Ae asked i£ Mr. Leier proposed to split that into four sections, and Mr. Leier replied he did in order to have a wider range of gossibilities for it. Mr, Aarris asked hox large the total R-3 parcel was, and Mr. Boardman said it was getting close to �0,000 square feet, Mr. Harris asked how many units that would hold, and Mr. Boardman replied about 16, Mr. Harris asked if there were any problems xith any of the lots in the R-1 area, and Mr. Boardman sai.d there were not, Mr. Peterson asked if he understood correctly that Staff had no problems with the petitioner�s request `rith existi.ng codes� other than the stipulation £or the egress onto 73�. Mr. Boardman said that was correct� and he didn't have a big problem with that area going either R-1 or R-3• He sai.d if it went R-3 he would suggest all traf£ic be connected�to 73rd. He added it was even possible for half o£ that to go to R-1 and half go to R-3. Karen Eggert� 7351 Pinetree I,ane� N.E., asked if the plan called for 731g to go through or if it would stog right there. Mr. Boardman explained the road would connect, and suggested that should be a stipulation. Ae added that he had contact r*ith the owner of 2180, and his intent over the phone was to go for a lot split North and South, and he would be coming in to apply £or that some time next week. However� he said� he still felt the stipulation for easement should be connected to this plat in case he dmdn�t apply for the lot split. Mr. Sobiech interjected that in order to achieve the integrity of the future development that was planned there� it was the City's intent to make that connection, and in order to make that connection they must maintain that easement. Chairperson Harris asked i£ the City wauld require these people to acquire the easement� and Mr, Sobiech replied that was their intention. He explained that to this date they had had the developers acquire the easements, and it was not unusual. John Eggert, 7351 Pinetree Lane, N,E., stated he lived on lot #3, and in talking to the neighbors around the area they agreed they would like to see the area go R-1. Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 11� 5 r� Mr. Leier said it was his intention £or the Gity to do this work and assess him £or it, He said he also contacted the owner o£ the apar�ment adjacent on the Eastern side, and that person also owned the property where 73� xould go straight East, and he ttas interested in doing something there, too. Mr. Leier asked if� for example� the City would take over the curbs� street� sewer, etc.� i£ thev would couple that bid �rith others in the area. Mr. Sobeich replied that tfiey tried to ineorporate street projects with the annual ai�y street improvements, and would hopefully get the lowest possible bid for construction. He added that sanitary sewer and water would be another bid, but they�tried to combine as much as possible to get the lowest possible price. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. J{76-o9, Deleier Addition� by Donald M. Leier, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 10:05 P.M. Mrs. Schnabel asked if they were approving a replatting into £our separate lots of that R-3 section for the purpose of those parcels eventually being built on as R-1 property. Mr. Boardman said he was sure that was what Mr. Leier�s intention was. Mrs. Schnabel then asked w2�y they would not rezone at the same time they replat, and Mr. Boardman answered because R-1 could be built on R-3 property. Mrs. Schnabel stated that the lot size bothered her. She said that she had some problems goi.ng along with replatting xith lots oF that size since they were trying to be consistent in the City to maintain 75� widths. Mr. Boardman pointed out that it would be dif£icult to do it any differently. Mrs. Schnabel said she didn�t have the magic ans�er, but felt it would require a variance at the time it was built upon. Mr. Sobiech stated that a variance would not be necessary if the plat was approved as such. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Cotmnission recommend to CQUncil approval of preliminary plat� P.S. #76-09, Deleier Addition� by Donald M. Leier; Being a replat of Lot 33� Auditor�s sub- division No 129� to allow the develo�nent o£ 3 R-1 lots (single family dwelling area) and 4 R-3 lots� (general multiple family units)� generally located in the 1500 Block betxeen 73rd Avenue N.E. and Onondaga Street N.E, with the following understandings: I,) That street easements to complete 73� Street and its intersection of Lakeside Road frill be completed, and 2) That if the R-3 property is actually developed for multiple family, that access not be of£ 73� Street. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. LOT SPLIT REQUFST: L.S. #76-08 BY MR. & MRS. KENNETH GASPER: The purpose o£ the lot split request was to split off . feet of £ront Yootage of Lot 8� Block 1� Holiday Hills Second Addition� and make it a part of Lot 9� Block 2� Aolid�v Hills Addition� but the request now includes other properties listed on their deed that has never gone through the lot split procedure by the City. The complete request is as follows: That part of Lot 8� Block 1, Holiday Hills Second Addition, described as £ollows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of Lot 8� Block 1, Aoliday Hills Second Addition, said point being located 97 feet Southwesterly of the Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 15 Northeast corner of said I,ot 8� a distance o£ 99.65 feet to the most Southerly point o£ said Lot 8� thence Northwesterly along the West line, a distance of 75 feet� thence Northeasterly to the point of beginning, AND, that part of I,ot 8, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly li.ne of said Lot 8, that point being 15 feet Northeast o£ the most Southerly corner o£ said Lot 8� thence Northwesterly along the Southerly line of said Lot 8, a distance o£ 137 Yeet to a point on the Westerly line of said Lot 8, thence South- easterly to a point of beginni.ng� all to be part o£ Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, the same being 501 Rice Creek Blvd. N,E. Mr. Kenneth A. Gasper xas present, Mr. Boardman explained to the Cortmission what areas they were dealing �rith� and said that Mr. Gasper was requesting a lot split of an additional .55'from Holiday Hills 3econd Addition. He said that since this lot split had never been approved by the City� that should be done at this time also. He stated that the petitioner did have the approval of the property owners on each side. Mr. Gasper explained that his children pl�yed on that particular piece of property, and he had wanted this lot split for some time. He said that to look at the geography of the property, it looked like it belonged to his lot more than Lot 8, Block 1. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Hergman� that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of Lot Split Request L.S. #76-08, by Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Gasper: The purpose o£ the lot split request was to split off 55 £eet of £ront footage of Lot 8� Block 1, Holid�y Hills Second Addition� and make it a part of Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition, but the request now includes other properties listed on their deed that has never gone through the lot split procedure by the City. The complete request is as follows: That part of Lot 8� Block 1� Holiday Hills second Addition, described as follows: Beginning at a poi.nt on the Easterly line o£ Lot 8� Block l� Holiday Hills Second Addition� said point being located 97 feet Southwesterly of the Northeast corner oi said I,ot 8� thence Southeasterly along the East line o£ said Lot 8� a distance of 99.65 £eet to the most Southerly point of said I.ot 8� thence Northwesterly along the West line, a distance o£ 75 feet� thence Northeasterly to the point of beginning, AND, that part of Lot 8, Block 2, Holiday�Hills Addition described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Easterly line of said Lot 8, that point being 15 feet Northeast of the most Southerly corner o£ said I,ot 8� thence Northwesterly along the Southerly line o£ said Lot 8, a distance o£ 137 feet to a point on the Westerly line of said Lot 8, thence Southeasterly to a point of beginning, all to be part o£ Lot 9, Block 2, Holiday Hills Addition� the same 501 Rice Greek Blvd. N.E. Mrs. Shea stated that for personal reasons she wished to abstai.n. UPON A VOICE VOTE, Harris� Bergman� Langen£eld� Peterson and Schnabel voting aye; Shea abstaining, the motion carried, 9. .S. #7b-09. BY BENIDICT Split off the Southerly 102 feet of Lot 34� Auditor's Subdivision No, %7� subject to 9 foot road easement 71� Way N.E.� to create a new building site� 5N Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 16 5 Q the same being 1lts 71'� Way N,E. (The address of Mr. Novak's residence will have to be changed when a building permit is taken out for construetion on the new building site). Mr, Benedict Novak was present, and stated he wanted to take off 92 feet, not 102, Mr. Boardman explained that this lot split request xas tentatively granted by the City Council when �o�d�*ay easement was given up by Mr. Novak to allox development of 8 lots. He indicated to the Commission where the property was located on the map on page 82 of the agenda. Mr. Boardman said Staff would request the lot split be no less than 89' and that 9' of that xould be required £or roadway easement. He sai.d they xould also request that the lot split be no closer than 10' to the present structure. Mr. Novak said he had had his property surveyed, and the lot split would be 8' South of his fence, and the fence was over 10� from the existing house. Mr. Bergman questioned what could be made out of a 9' street easment� and Mr. Boardman explained they had a present road easement there nov� and an additional 9' would make it a standard size. Mr. Sobeich added that the additional 9' would make it !�2', xhich would be consistent with the adjacent p�pperty. Mr. Boardman said that the Ciiy Council allowed him only one lot split, so although the lot to the South was large enough for another lot split, the Council said only one would be allowed. It had also been agreed, he added, that the property would be split by a simple lot split instead of platting. MQTION by Schnabel, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Corr¢nission recommend to Council approval of I.ot Split Request L.S. #'76-09, by Benedict 23ovak; Split off the Southerly 92 feet of Lot 3�� Auditor�s Subdivision No. 77� subject to 9 foot road easement 71� Way N.E., to create a new building site, the sazne being ].1y5 71� Way N.E. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried uttanimously. Since representativ� o£ Anoka County were present to discuss East River Road, Chairperson Harris suggested deferring Item 10 until after Item 11 on the agenda. MOTION try Bergman, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Conanission take the receiving of the Community Development minutes as Item 11-A. Bpon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 'Y CAMMISSYON h MOTION by LangenPeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive the Fridley Ilivironmental Quality Commission minutes o£ September 21� 1976. Upon a wice vote� all sroting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. J Planning Corrrtnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 17 5 P MOTION by Langen£eld� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the East River Road Project Committee report. Mr. Sobiech stated that Staff and representatives £rom the County were not present to respond to the minutes, but to perhaps provide additional information to the Planning Co�nission that might help them when considering the minutes of the Environmental Quality Commission. Mr. Boardman stated that the recommendation from the Environmental Commission was threefold: 1) the approval of the Project Con¢nittee report, 2) the recommendation o£ designation by the Fridley Parks and Recreation Commission for the East River Road as a parkway and establish controls by ordinance as the Fridley Parkway System for its social and environmental significance, and 3) the recommendation that the Planning Comnission and City Council set a moratorium on project ST 75-3. He added that he thought the main thing at this meeting for the County would be the moratorium issue. Mr. Sobiech stated that first o£ all, it should be realized that the project as it exists now is not something that was just starting, but something that the previous Council had already ordered in. He said that back in 1970 and 1971 there were Public Hearings, and the resolution vas made ordering the improve- ment of East River Road £rom I-69Lt to Mississippi Street. He said that at that time this was the normal procedure to £ollow for an assessment type improvement� so they were not beginning something at this stage� but trying to complete previous direction given by Council. Mr. Sobeich stated that at this time there was a remaining section to be completed. He said that during the Public Hearing phase o£ the original proposal� there were three Public Hearings held to receive input from the area residents. Based on those three Public Hearings� he said, there were some real modifications to the original plan, and based on the input revised plans were prepared and the project improvement was ordered in. Mr. Sobiech continued that at that initial time there was some Federal funding applied for and approved for that section; but with the modi£ications that ttere suggested and implemented based on the Public Hearings� the Federal people could not itind the revised project. He said that what developed at that time was a stage-type construction� and the Federal people indicated they could participate insa different program for the improvement of East River Road at Mississippi Street and a few blocks either way. He said that was Federally funded and that set the siage £or the construction stage as it was now. He added that once the Topics Project Was completed, then the City got pressure from the property owners to complete the next stage at the Georgetown area. Ae said they then proceeded srith the next stage of the improvement and the County and the City Had to provide their own flznding for the completion thai had been done over the past several months. All that remained noW� he said� was one remaining section about four to six blocks long. He stated that the City Council and the County still wanted to receive the input £rom the project committee� because they felt that any input was good. Mr. Sobiech emphasized that the improvement that had been made and the improve- ments that they intended to make were for safety factors. He said they did not intend to increase the traf£ic lanes; Your lanes of traffic were initiated in i955 or 1956 and had been that way ever since. He stated they hoped to increase safety for the people travelling along East River Road and for the Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 18 5 Q residents to get on to East River Road, He said that with the section that is proposed, they anticipated four lanes, shrnllder sections and turning lanes, and their main objective was to get people on and o£f the raad safely. Mr. Sob�ech said that this project was pending. B�cause of the fact that certain homes had been built since the project was initiated and certai.n homes had changed hands! there had been a lot o£ escrow money that had been aside £or this improvement,. He stated that another reason for the completion of this project was they felt that nox with the completion o£ the Mississippi underpass there would be a definite traf£ic pattern established whereby a lot of Fridley residents would use that roadway. He explained that a traffic count taken at the North boundary line xas about 10,000 to 12�000 cars::per day, but the count taken closer to I-69Lt �eached 27,000. He said they felt there was a considerable amount of use bei.ng made by this section of East River Road by general area residents srithin the cormminity, so not only were they trying to emphasize safety, but also allow a means for other area residents to get through the area safely. He stated he felt the Pcoject Committee should be coimnended on sil its work, gathering data, and coming up with their plan. Mr. Paul Ru�3, County Engineer, and Mr. Bud Redepenning� Assistant County F�gineer introduced themselves and said that they were at the meeting primarily to answer que9tions. Mr. Ruud stated that there was a new program of Federal i�nding £or transportation in the urban area� and all agencies put project requests into the hopper and they xere prioritized, He said that the project on East River Road they were talking about did suruive that prioritizing. He added that their preliminary report was called a project development report, and it had been submitted to the State Highway Department last week; it would be reviewed by the State Highway Department and the Federal Highway Administra- tion. Mr. Ruud sai.d that based on other projects they felt it would be approved, and would not need an II�vironmental Impact Statement. Mr. Ruud said that the County had several raeetings with Mr. Paripovich, and they did not feel that his request that this be turned into a parkway or two- lane facility was very realistic� although he was sure it would be nice £or the people living along the road. He explained it had been used quite extensively as a four-way facility. Mr. Rund added that there was one Sacility in Fridley that is now used as a two-lane facility that had heavier use orginally, and that was Old Central Avenue. He said he thought that Mississippi Street North of East River Road xas a different situation, and they didn�t have any plans to do arry specific work on that with the eacception of one improvement of the intersection o£ Osborne Road and East River Road, Mr. Langenfeld stated that it definitely was not the intention of the Fhviron- mental Quality Commission to embark in a lengthy argu�ah, and he assumed that everyone on this Corrunission had read the preliminary recommendations £rom the East River Road Project Con¢nittee. He said that at this time he would like to ask the Chair to recognize the Chairperson o£ the East River ftoad Project Coimnittee, Mike Paripovich. Mr. Paripovich stated that he felt the report from the Project Committee went over the objections and he thought the Con¢nittee o£fered some argument. He said that the file ST 75-3 went back six or seven years, and the people who � � Planning Commission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 20 ,� 5 S �` �--� were standards that they had to £ollox. Mr. Paripovich said that the only area they differed on was the safety, because the County thought the Project Committee�s proposal Would cause accidents and he thought it would prevent them. Mr. Redepenning said the Committee�s proposal would cause accidents because they were trying to funnel four lanes of traffic down to two, and there would be a bottleneck. Chairperson Harris asked what would happen to the amount of traffic on this road if something Beuld be done with loxer University Avenue. Mr. Ruud said that he was sure that discouraged a lot of people £rom usi,ng 1t7, and the same was true with 65 goi.ng into Central. He added that another thing that would help would be the bridge across the Northtown Crossing, but there was a sixty-million dollar price tag on that project� and nobody lmew when it would happen. Mr. Harris commented that the reason most people used East River Road was because it was a straight shot into downtown Minneapolis. Mr. Bergman said that he was impressed with one part of the project report in particular� and that was the comparisons of signalization on East River Road as compared to University Avenue and Central Avenue, He stated that the comparison said they were apparently discouraging traffic on 65 as a thoroughfare� were discouraging trsffic on University Avenue, and had the least amount of discouragement on East River Road, He said that what the Project Committee was talking about was reducing trafPic, and he didn't see where the County plan addressed that. Chairperson Harris stated that as he saw it, what they were trying to do was handle this as a County affair, and he didn't believe that the total traffic p3cture was totally a County problem. Mr. Redepenning pointed out where there were signals along East River Road as compared to 65. He said that each time that a signal was i.nstalled� though, there was a configuration where the �raffic concentrated at that point. He stated that from Mississippi Street south, there were as many signals as on }�% or 65. He continued that one of the reasons there was a traffic buildup was the main focus of the plan Sor the metro area oP the strong doxntown Minneapolis and strong downtown St. Paul. He stated that people had to get there, and what they £ound on this stretch of road was not unique in Fridley. He said a ring could be drawn around the TwincCities and the same thing would be found on every feeder that was going in. He said there had been a basic decision made that people had to get downtown. Mr. Bergman asked what the cost would be to finish that gection of the road, and Mr. Redepenning said it would be about $t�00,000 to $500�000. Mr. Bergman asked i£ that included £unding from Federal� County and City along with property assessments, and Mr. Redepenning said that what they meant by the City's share xas the assessments. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the speed limit was the same on East River Road as it was on 65 and �7� and was told that the speed limits varied. Mr. Bergman said he could only see one dramatic difference in the�.two plans, and that was the number of lanes. He asked if it srasn�t possible that the project committee�s plan to narrow doxn and attempt to restrict the volume o£ traffic Planning Cotmni.ssion Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 19 5 R lived in those residential areas understood that the entire issue had been dropped; they hadn't realized this was still on the burner. He said those residents were very much up in arms sboii this development to discover that this wasn�t set aside but is an on-going project. He said that this should be looked at because these people represented a goodi.portion oF the citizens of Fridley. Mr. Paripovich suggested they also make a good scrutiny o£ FAU i�nds, and said they could use some help from the County on that, He said he would like to £i.nd out their ground rules and what their funds could be applied to. Mr. Paripovich said that as far as the Project Coimnittee�s plan versus the County plan, there was only one main dif£erence as they interpretedcit. He said they praised the County plan as it irould improve the safety of the road� and shoulders, medians and more signals were needed. Where they dif£ered £rom the County plan� he said� was they were asking £or one lane insteadco£ two going in each direction. Mr. Paripovich had a oopy of a report given him by the City �gineers which showed the traffic projections for 1980 and 1990 projecting a decline in the use of East River Road and a very definite increase in trunk highway 65 with a less pronounced increase in tru nk highway Lt7. He stated that for that portion of the road they were discussing, the projections were only 9,000 cars a d�y. Mr. Paripovich said that by improving the road and widening it at the least 32 £eet� which the County�s plans called for� it would take a garage and a lot o£ property. He again reminded the Commission and the County Eagineers that they were dealing irith people who thought this xhole matter was closed. He stated that i£ this was done� and then the Northtown Cerridor�d the bridge came along, they would have an obsolete expanse of highway on this side of the river. Ae said that what they did need was shoulders� a center median� places £or people to walk and ihe ability £or cars to travel unencumbered down the road at a sa£e speed. He added that they also wanted to lower the speeds, but understood that had no connection with the proposed expansion of the road. He stated that if the Project Committee�s plan became a physical reality� they would have one strictly unencumbered lane. He said that if they opened those areas up to accommodate more tra£fic through that underpass across the railroad tracks, they xould be inviting tra££ic to come over. Mr. Paripovich stated that asswning the FAU end of this could be::solved, he wasn't sure if there would be an i.mpact on the £iscal area of the project; but it seemed to him that iF the road wasn't expanded, and if what was alreac�y there wasn�t torn up� it would be a good deal less expensive. F�nds had already been set aside for part of it� he said� and if the FAU Went along with this plan it would be more economical and better for Fridley� and would have no adverse affect for the County. Chairperson Harris said that he would like to see a layout o£ the present plan by the County, and Mr. Redepenning showed a map to the Commission and explained wh�t had already been done and what they were proposing. Mr. Paripovich showed the Commission a map o£ the Project Committee's proposal, and explained it was just about the same except there was only one lane going in each direction. He said he would like to change the concept from a blazing highway to a bu,py, well-defined thoroughfare, Mr. Ruud said that as an Fhgineer� there cras no rray he could recommend Mr. Paripovich's proposal. He said it would be carelessness on his part, as there Planning Co�mnission Meeting - October 6, 197b Page 21 ST on this road would be more applicable after the pressure was relieved by the Northtown Corridor than at this point in time right prior to additional pressure. Mr. Paripovich responded that the problem was once the improvements had been made� they would be such a permanent thing they would be there £or a long time. Chairperson Harris said that statements had been made in the 1971 hearings that this was Stage l. He said a study had been done from 694 to the creek� and that was the section that was proposed for improvement; then when that was completed� it would be continued from the creek to the Northtown Corridor. He commented that he thought this uas just Stage 1. Mr. Langenfeld said he had several con¢nents to make, but crould like to pre£ace them by reminding the genblemen who were present that this was a controversial problem, and would be even more so by Plywood Minnesota. He stated that first o£F, the citizens were not aware of stages as discussed; secondly� it was his opinion that the intention of the Project Co�nittee was to divert the traf£ic to the major highways such as 65 or Lt7; and thirdly� as far as being realistic� Mike 0'Bannon himself supported this idea and stated that if they were going to do something like this they had to start right here at home. Mr. Langenfeld suggested a noise and pollution report be obtained� as he thought that would have some bearing on the project. Mr. Ruud said that it was their opinion at this time that their statement �rould be accepted that their plan was not adverse. He added that there were four lanes o£ traffic in there now� and they would just be upgradi.ng an existing facility and trying to make it safer. Chairperson Harris asked how a speed limit was determined, and Mr. Paripovich said that he had checked to see what the ¢riteria was far�reducing a speed limit. He stated that the most important point was a radar check xas set up to see what the average speed vas� the reason being they wanted the motorists to show them what they thought the speed limit should be. He added that the number of schools� hospitals� drivewa4ys� etc.� were also taken into consideration, He stated that East River Road had everything that indicated the speed should go down� except that people insisted on driving fast on that road. Mr. Paripovich said that because of the situation there were two groups; one sai.d they had to move traffic through town, and the other group said they lived there and the County's plans would be destroying their neighborhood. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously to receive the East River Road Project Coirmiittee report. MOTION by Langen£eld� seconded by Schnab��� that the Planning Coimnission receive both plans from the Moka County and the East River Road Project Committee. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission recon¢nend to Council that a moratorium be set on ST ?5-3. 17'ie motion died for lack o£ a second. Mr. Langenfeld stated he would like to indicate for the record that he appreciated all the information they had received as the result of the East River Road problem. He said they had heard Stafi�s comments and Anoka County�s comments� and he wanted to emphasize the fact tha� they had established .� Planning Conanission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 22 5U these committees to get citizen input. He stated that the East River Road Project Committee was established in accordance with the Go�nission's ordinance and had done a fine job� and he wanted to underscore the fact that what they had before them as far as the report was concerned was the citizens� concern, Chairperson Harris said::that with regard to Plywood Minnesota, trying to solve a traffic problem with a billboard wasn't his idea of good engineering, Mr. Sobies:h said that the Caunty was in favor of closing one section o££, but the merchants were opposed. Mr, Ruud stated they could close the Northern access off if they got some encouragement £rom the City of Fridley to back them in that. Mr, Boardman added that until the time the City Council decided they wanted to close that North entrance� he didn�t think the County could do anything. Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 12:06 P.M.� and reconvened the meeting at 12:30 P.M. Chairperson Harris noted that there were three items they should address themselves to under �/11 on the agenda� receiving the Fridley �tvironmental Quality Con¢nission minutes of Sept. 21, 1976: from Plannin� Coimnission to t r•�, Mr. Harris pointed out that this item had been handled by Mr. Langenfeld±s motion proposing the moratoriwn, which died for lack of a second. c. Recoirmiendation on the East River Road Project Committee Report MOTION by Shea� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Co7rmiission send items b and c to the Community Development Co�mnission, Human Resources Coir¢nission and Parks and Recreation Commission for their cormnents. Upon a voice vote, all voting a}re� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson said that at the last Planni.ng Commission meeting he a�tended there had been a lengthy discussion concerning procedure o£ Project Committees and whether the East River Road Project Committee was operating as a Project Coimnittee or a citizen's committee� whether it was operating withi.n the frame- work set up by the ordinance and if it was receivi.ng direction from the Biviionmental Quality Commission. He added that as a Chairman of a Commission he was a little concerned as to how this was being handled and if they were operating within the framework they were supposed to be. Mr. Langenfeld replied that it was his impression at the time that particular conversation took place� there was concern that perhaps this Project Coirmiittee Planning Coimnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 Page 23 5V vas going to sky rocket in all di£ferent directions and there would be a group of irate citizens up in arms. He said that he attended several of the meetings and found they were very controlled and could find no way the Committee was operating out of the scope oY the City plans. Mr. Peterson said that the coirment had been made thati�he East River Road Project Committee was going to be checking on ilu�ding available and this type of thing, and he was not sure that £ell i.iithin the scope of a Project Committee�s jurisdiction or i£ this was the proper direction £or them to go. Mr. Langenfeld cormnented that he thought they should seek all the in£ormation they could get relating to this particular project. Mr. Peterson asked i£ they were speaking for the Planning Commission or the F�vironmental Quality Commission� and Mr. Paripovich said he would like to answer that. He invited all the Commission members to attend the meetings, and said he would be glad to answer any questions they had. Mr. Paripovich said that for this project they had had to gather information and really research it, and to do thai it was necessary to go to County Government, etc. He said that in talking to the funding people� he would only be asking them for criteria, and wouldn�t be masquerading as part of the Fridley Staff or anything else. He stated that in addressing these people had had only said he was part of the Fridley IItvironmental Quality Commission xorking on a subcommittee project to gather information for this. He said he never pretended to be anybody who represented the City Council or the Planning Commission� and had taken great pains not to do that. Mr. Ber�nan asked if the membership of the Project Cotmnittee was.made up entirely o£ people living along East River Road. Mr. Paripovich replied that they had thrown the coimnittee open to everybody by putting a notice in the Fridley Sun, and had incited everybody to join the group. He said that the members live in the neighborhoods on either side of East River Road, and almost everybody lived West ef the railroad tracks. Mr. Bergman said he was wondering if this was true City of Fridley type input or neighborhood input �,rith particular and home-based interests on that street. Mr. Paripovich replied that of course there was de£inite interest there� but they had tried to present all the £acts. Mr. Peterson asked if the East River Road Project Committee was actually appointed and approved by the full Environmental Quality Commission� and Mr. Paripoaich replied that the membership had never been approved� but it could be. Mr. Peterson expi�%ned that in Parks and Recreation they had gone through a neighborhood recreation project committee type thing� and they were lead to believe by i.nterpretation of the ordinance that the members xere to be approved by the Co:mnission before it started. Mr. Boardman explained that membership approval jras entirely up to the Commission itself and it could, if they chmse to� control or approve membership. Mr. Langenfeld sai.d that xhen Mr. Paripovich took the Chairmanship of the Project Committee he was in sole charge o£ the committee. As far as he was concerned, he said, there aas no rule or established w$y that project connnittees were going to function. He stated that he didn't think there was a set procedure, and just because one Comnission handled it one way did not mean that all Commission had to follow that. . RECEIVE CAMM[iNITY DEVEIAPMEI3T CO2�IISSION MI2NTES: SEPTEMBER llt, 1976 Planning Coimnission Meeting - October b, 197b Page 27� 5W MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission receive the Co7mmznity Development Commission minutes of September 1lt, 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, Mr. Bergman commented that Co�nunity Development had two Project Ca�mnittees; the Sign Committee was nearing wrap-up� and they would be reviewing the Bikeway/ Walkway activity program at the next meeting. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: SEPTII+IBER 28, 1976 MOTION by Schnabel� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Corr¢ni.ssion receive the Appeals Commission minutes of September 28� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman noted that there had been some conilision regarding Mr. Paschke's requests� and said he would have to give the Appeals Commission the standards they used regarding this type of variance which were approved by the Zoning Administrator. Chairperson Harris said the thing that bothered him was that 1�0% always seemed to be the governing factor; and those lots in the Onaway Addition, because o£ the peculiarity of the situation� could not always hold l�0�. Mr. Boardman added that it was the petitioner�s right to have 1�0� coverage only i£ he could follow all the codes and regulations. CONTIN[JID: REVIEW OF PROPOSID MAINTENANCE CODE MOTION by Peterson, secanded by Shea, to continue the review of the proposed maintenance code until the next Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unani.mously. CONTINIIID; DISCUSSION ON GARAGE REQU�MENTS FOR SItIGLE FAMII,Y AOMES MOTION by Shea, seconded by Peterson, toc:continue the discussion on garage requirements £or single family homes until the next Planning Commission meeting. Upon a wice vote� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. CONTINUID: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, to continue the Human Development Goals and Objectives until the next Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MATERIAL ON THE YOUTH CENTER MOTION by Langen£eld, seconded by Bergman� that the Planning Commission receive the Articles of Incorporation of the Fridley Youth Center. Upon � Planning Comnission Meeting - October 6, 1976 P�e 25 5 X a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commi.ssion send the 9rticles of Incorporation of the Fridley Youth Center to all member Coaunissions for their review and comment. Upon a voice wte� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Aarris commented that they Kere not getting much support £rom the school districts on this. He said it seemed like the School Board xas amiable,to the proposal� but school staff vas not enthralled with it. RECEIVE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSZON MINUTFS: SEPTF27BER 27, 1976 MOTION by Peterson� seconded try Schnabel, that the Planning Commission receive the Parks and Recreation Commission minutes of September 27, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURAIMENT • MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson� that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Comraission meeting of October 6� 1976 adjourned at 1:06 A.M. by unanimous vote. Respectfully submitted� � y m� \']!J on�f�l ( % /Y7�rMD ��— Sherri 0'Donnell Recording Secretary i �. � FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COi�SSION SEPTEMBER.21, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: James Langenfeld, Lee Ann Sporre, Mike Paripovich, Brother Thomas Sullivan MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Peterson OTHERS PRESENT: Jerry Boardman, City Planner Tom Colbert, Assistant City Engineer CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:38 p.m. APPRQVAL OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 17, 1976, FRIDLEY ENVZRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING: Nlr, Paripovich stated that two corrections should be made to the August 17, 1976, Fridley Environmental Commission meeting minutes. On page 3, paragraph 5, the last sentence should read, "Mr. Paripovich stated he had contacted Mr. Boardman, who feels the same as the county engineers, that East River Road is a terrible place for a bikeway, but does not agree with Mr. Paripovich's feelings on the subject." On page 4, paragraph 5, Mr. Paripovich wanted to clarify that the city and county have cooperated with the East River Road Project Co�ittee at every turn on the speed limit thing. MOTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to approve Che minutes as corrected of the August 17, 1976, Fridley Environmental Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. REPORT FROM THE EAST RIVER ROAD PROJECT CO2�f7TTEE: Mr. Langenfeld stated that he had attended the last East River Road Project Couunittee meeting. He said it was a very interesting and controlled meeting and that the committee is definitely going to come up with some nice comments. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to receive the "East River Road Project Committee Preliminary Recommendation to the Fridley Environmental Co�ission" dated September 21, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ' �� PRIDLEY ENVIRO��NTAL COrfMISSION MEETING SEYTEMBER 21 1976 Page 2 Mr. Paripovich read this report to the Coimnission members. He stated that he would like to see this report go to the Planning Commission as the Plannin6 Commission wants to know what the East River Road Project Covmittee has done and what they are doing, and to give the City Council something to guide them when they work with [he County. Ms. Sporre stated that on page 3 of the."Preliminary Reca:miendation", the second � sentence reads, "The road is an eyesore that btights Fridley and Anoka County." She said she wouldn't want the Comnission to approve the report �aith that statement. She stated that on page 8, Item 7, it reads, "With 30 mph traffic moving in one ' lane in each direction and with left turn channelization, bikeways could be safely and inexpensively constructed along the road Erom Geargetown to the northern border, a tremendous asset for the metropolitan area." She didn't like the term, "northern border" as she feels there is good reason for them not to get hung up on where Fridley ends. Mr. Boardman stated that the Commission might want to recommend that the Planning '' Commission send this report on to the City Council without recommendation maybe at this time so the Council would at least have the information available in case some decision has to be made sometime soon; or, the Commission could ask the Planning Commission for recommendation. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre that the Fridley Environmental Commis=ion approve the "East,^.iver Road Project Committee Preliminary Recommendation to Fridley Env�ron- mental Commission" dated September 21, 1976, with the following deletions: Page 3, delete the second sentence, "The road is an eyesore that bl.ights Fridley and Anoka County." Page 8, Item 7, delete "from Georgetocan to the northern border." The Fridley Environmental Commission recommends designation by the Fridle} Parks & Recraation Commission for East River Road as a parkway and establish controls by ordinance as the first segment of the Fridley Parkway System for its social and environmental significance. The Fridley Enviroumental Covm�ission hereby refers this plan to the Planning Commission for its approval. Brother Thomas Sullivzn seconded this motion for discussion. A question on the designation of East River Road as a parkway was brought up and discussed by the members of the Commission. Brother Sullivan recor.�mended that Mrs. Sporre amend the motion to eliminate the parkway from the original motion and propose it as a separate motion. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, secended by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to amend the above ' motion to read that the I'ridley Environmental Commission approves the "East River Road Project Committee Preliminary Recoa�endation to Fridley Environmental Commission" dated September 21, 1976, with the following deletions: Page 3, delete the second sentence, "The road is an eyesore that blights Fridley and � Anoka County," Page 8, Item 7, delete "from Georgetown to the northern border." The Fridley Environmental Commission refers this to the Planning Commission for its approval. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting a e the motion carried unanimouslv. Mr. Colbert stated that a specific question he was at the meeting to address is the connection between the recently construcCed Georgetown improvement to the Mississippi intersection improvement, which is known as ST 75-3. The Council and � the County needs a quick reaction irom the Commission regarding that improvement as such. ! �1 FRIDLEY ENVIAOD'[�NTAL COMMISSION MEETING SEPTENII3ER 21 1976 Page 3 �; , Mr. Boardman questioned the action being taken by the Commission. He stated that the Commission was approving a plan without knowing wheat the implications might , be. Mx. Colbert liad just bsought up a point of concern that seems to have had very little consideration. If the City Council and the County are looking for a quick re- action on the upcoming road improvement, it would seem that the best response would be to recommend a moratorium on East River Road until the issue can be fully studied. Although the Courmittee has dona tremendous job on this report, it is a preliminary report, and there are some issued that still need investigation. I feel that the Planning Commission will have trouble approving the report as is, until further investigation has Caken place. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that the Fridley Environmental Commission recommends to the City Council through the Planning Couunission that a moratorium b� set on ST 75-3. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimovsly. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that the Fridley Environ- mental Commission recommends Co the Planning Commission for its approval designation by the Fridley Parks & Recreation Commission for the East River Road as a parkway and establish controls by ordinance as the first segment of the Fridley Parkway System for its social and environmental significance, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ROLE OF THE FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE CITY STAFF: Mr. Langenfeld stated that a classic example of the role of the Commission versus City Staff was when the Co�ission started off with the Land Alteration Ordinance. The Commission at first thought they were to compile an ordinance, then they were told not to do it because it was Staff's work, then the Commission told Staff to give the Commission an ordinance, and now something comes from Metro-Council. It leaves the Covm�iSsion at a loss. He asked Mr. Boardman to clarify where the Co�ission was overlapping into Staff's territory, Mr. Boardman stated that what Staff wanted to get out .from Che Commission was not the actual details of drawing up an ordinance and the wording. What they want more from the commissions are Cheir concepts and ideas. The Staff would then work out the legal language. In other words, what Staff is actually looking for is the Commission's ideas of how they want an ordinance to function and put it in non- legal terms. The drawing up of the ordinance should be done at Staff level and then the ordinance will come back to the Commission for their review, At that time, the Commission can get into the changing of wording. Mr. Langenfeld stated it would be good that when the Commission studies ordinances, they try to incorporate their ideas within the framework of their goals and objectives. LAND ALTERATION ORDINANCE: Mr. Boardman stated that the "Mineral Extraction Ordinance" which each of the Commission members had received was a model ordinance sent out by Metro-Council. He suggested they go through the "Mineral Extraction Ordinance" to get a general concept of what the Commission Chinks tliey would like in a mineral extraction ordinance so that Staff could write it up in ordinance form and bring it back to the Coimnission for their approval. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to receive the 'Tiineral Bxtraction Ordinance" from Metro-Council and the "City of Fridley Application for Land Alteration/Mining Permit." Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanin,,,net., �� � FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COI^rIISSI0IV MEETING SEPTEMBER 21 1976 Page 4 : Mr. Boardman went through the "Mineral Extraction Ordinance" and pointed out what this ordinance had that the "Land ALeeration/Mining Permit" didn't have and what the "Land Alteration/Mining Permit" had that the "Mineral Extraction Ordinance" didn't have. He suggested things the Commission might want incorporated into a mineral extraction ordinance for Fridley and noted things that he felt were not applicable to Fridley. Ms. Sporre said she £eels the"Land Alteration/Mining Permit" doesn't even talk about the things related to environmental impact which is what the Commission is supposed to be talking about. She stated they should adopt the "Minera7 Extraction Ordinance" with all its restrictions. Mr. Paripovich stated he would like to see no new mining allowed in the City of Fridley with some sort of grandfather clause stating that those mining operaCions that are in actual operation now can be continued, but their operations would h ave to fall under certain restrictions as set up by City SCaff, or something like that. Mr. Boardman stated he wovld discuss the ramifications of this with the City Attorney and he would report back to the Commission of what these ramifications could entail. MOTION by Mike.Paripovich, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, that the question of a mining operation be referred �o City Staff for futther study of legal problems relaCing to the elimination of new mining operations in the City of Fridley. Upon a voi�ce vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanic�ously, GENERAL DISCUSSION : The Commission members discussed the "Mode1 Environmental Overlay, Environmental Site Planning, Natural Resource Conservation, Mineral $xtraction, and Agriculture Preservation Ordinances" sent from Metro-Cauncil. Ms.Sporre read a statement from page 1, last paragraph, under "General Comments" which reads, "These ordinances are models. Local governments are free to choose those which apply in their jurisdictions and vary the standards and requirements to best suit the 1oca1 'situation," She stated that Metro-Council should be told that Fridley needs its neighboring communities to adopt these ordinances and those permit applications would provide Fridley with the notification necessary to evaluate ttie decisions and the impact on Fridley. Mr. Langenfeld suggested that maybe the Commission should review these model ordinances to see how they affect the Commission. Brother Thomas Sullivan stated he felt this should be used as a model ordinance, to use parts as they apply, but he cannot see adopting the entire thing for the City of Fridley. �3 FRIDLEY �NVIRONMENTAL COTTi�fiSSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 21 1976 Page 5 MOTION by Brother Thomas Sullivan, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that the Fridley Environmental Commission review these model ordinances at iuture meeCings through- out the year, taking one section at a time for discussion, the discussion to be limited Co 30-45 minutes of ineeting time. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Langenfeld thanked Staff for making up the new name tags which the Commission members had received. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, to adjourn the meeting at 10:41 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, i.�i Lyn Saba Becording Secretary