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PL 11/17/1976 - 6598. .,� .. � � . � CITY OF FRIDLE7 PLANNIN(3-COlQSISSION MEETING - NOYEMBER 17, 1976 PAGE 1 CALL TO ORDIIt: Chairperaon Harris called the meeting to order at 7:3$ P.M. EOLL CAI.L: Members Present: Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Schnabel, Shea Members Absent; Peterson Othera Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMI�LISSION MINUTFS: NOVElIDSR 3, 1976 AIOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission minutes of November 3, 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye� the motion carried unanimously. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING UEST: 7AA //76-06 BY GF7DRGETOWN MOTEL INC.: Rezone from H-2 heavy dustri areas C- gener business areas , that part of Lot 2, A.S. �/'78, �ying Westerly of the Westerly right-of-way line of Main Street N.fi.� lying Easterly of the Easterly railvay right-of- xay line of Burlington Northern, Inc., lying Northerly of the Northerly right-of-vay line of Interstate Highw�r �{6911s end lying Southerly oY a line drarm Westerly, at a right angle to the Fast line of said Lot 2, from a point on said East line distent 507.60 feet Southerly £romtthe Northeast corner of said Lot 2� except the Westerly 218.61 feet of the described property� subject to easement to Northern States Power Company, the same being 5600 Main Street N.E. Mr. Carl George was present representing GeorgetoWn Motels. 1�TION by Langenfeld, seoonded by Gabel, that the Planning Co�mnission open the Public Hearing on rezoning request ZOA #'Tb-06, by Georgetxon Motel, Inc. Upon a voice vote� all voting sye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Aearing open at 7:Lt0. ' Mr. Boardman explained that this vss a rezoning request to allov s motel-restaurant facility on Main Street across £rom Holiday Village North. He said there were several things the Commission would have to take a look at, and one was xhat Planning Con¢niasion Meeting - November 1�, 197b Page 2 the total area xas zoned (M-2). He stated they would have to make some determination at this meeting or in the next fer meetings whether that zoning rras actually a proper zoning in the area; and if they did rezone that property� xhat xas going to happen to the rest o£ the M-2 and xas the rest o£ the M-2 properly zoned? Mr. Boardman shoxed the proposed plan to the Commission, and explained it xas a resketch done by City Sta£f. He stated that the proposal that was su�nit�ed had more parking than was actually needed and the driving aisles were xider than what was needed. He pointed out that the nex pi� shoxed more landscape areas xithin the same context of the motel system, and this had been approved by Mr. George. Mr. Boardmen explained the proposal was in tw phases. He said there would be a Past-food restaurant that xould also serve beer, vine, and that sort o£ thing. Mr. Boardman said there xould be three units; 2G units in the first one and also the main office o£ the motel, and the next txo units would be lt0 udita each. He showed the area where an additional !�0 units xere proposed for the fliture, and added that the Georgetoxn Motel system was a chain crtotel system throughout the United States. Chairperaon Harris asked if there xas anything they could do to clean up the legal description. Mr. Boardman replied that the only xap* they could do that would be with a plat, and he didn't think Burlington Northern xanted to plat st this time. He stated that he had talked to Burlington Northern�s Land Development Company this afternoon and they handled real estate £or anything other than industrial. He explained that rrhen they got prospective b�yers or developers in this area, they went before the Burlington Northern Board of Directors and they turned the property over to the buyer. Mr. Carl George approached the Board and explained that the proposed motel had been under consideration for development for approximately 1� years. He said they had first met xith Mr. Clark and the City Maneger concerning this particular area, and they told the Georgetorm people to proceed and get everything done and then bx�dang it in to see if they could get the parcel rezoned. He explained the motel xould serve both railroad employees and co�nercial travelers. Mr. George stated they had a choice of four different areas that the Burlington Northern oxned and they chose this one because of the praximity to Hxy. 69� and also because it jras close to the railroad cresr office. He added that they xanted to be in an area that was compatible to this particular kind of bus�rtess, and the area South of 694 xas pretty xell developed. Mr. George said it �ras hia understanding that the City itself xould like to see something other than industrial in this particular area North of 69l�, and they had made the site plan wi.th that in mind. He stated it rrould be a good area for their business and it could be the beginning o£ starting either co�aercial or residential in that area. Mr. George said that concerning B N L, they did handle everything other than the industrial. He explained they �rere created by Burlington Northern to Planning Coir¢nission Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 3 do this and to develop thia land faster. He stated that in a lot of areas couanercial has gror�m up around railroad land and industrial has grown up around it� and the industrial xasn't compatible. He said they felt this plan was compatible, and that was xk�y they picked that particular parcel. Mr. George a�ated that their motel system xas a little different than the Holidq}r Inn or Razrdda. He said that they were basically a motel, not a convention center. He stated that their rooms vere the same size (14' x 24')� carpeted, individually temperature control&ed and air conditioned and contained a 19" color television set, He said they had taken out the things that xere not necessary £or a motel such as catering services, etc., as this xas rePlected in the cost oP the rooms. Mr. George explained that most catering departments in the large motels did not shox profits� so that cost went into the cost of the rooms. He said that although they felt those are needed, they also felt there was a need for a motel that had the comfort of their rooms without all the extras. He stated that they didn't make food people out of their employees� and that was Why they located a reataurant along irith their motel. He said in this instance it xould be a 11i11-service restaurent open from 6:00 A.M. until 1:00 the folloxing morning. It would have a menu that ves more varied, he said, than Sambos or Country Hitchen, and the restaurant xould carry itself. He said they £elt food service xas very important� and just a block from their location vas a 2!�-.hour Country Kitchen. Mr, George stated that their motel rooms carried no overhead other then the overhead of the room itselP, and that xas vhy they xere able to rent the rooms for $10 single and $12.50 double. As Yar as the construction, he said, theirs xas equal to or better than Holiday's. He stated that they had a good quality room, and they didn't construct the building for a fast dollar but tried to determine what the customer needs �*ere nosr and xhat they would be five or ten years from now. He informed the Commission the outside of the motel would be of cedar and brick, the interiors vere a xashable-type textured coating, and the f�rniture xss built by one o£ the foremost manufacturers of motel fllrniture. The bathrooms xould be vezy similar to those of Holid$y� he said. Hr, George said that their motel had all the comforts but didn�t have the meeting rooms, ball rooms, or catering services of the larger chains. ?Ir. George said that in their feasibility stuc�y done in this area� they e�[pected this unit to run st 95� occupancy. He said he felt there Was a need in the area for a unit end felt this xas a good location for it. He added that they actually felt this would upgrade this particular area or at least be a"foot in the door" for other co�mnercial ventures in that area. He shrnred the Commission data sheeta put out by B N L on the area, and said that if this was changed from industrial to coimnercial they rrould like to have a feasibility run on the need for office buiZdings because they also developed o£Yice buildings. He stated that if there xas a need� he thought this would be a good spot because they usually need a place of£ a main freexay and irith a lot of parking space. He said he Wofild be happy to ansrrer any queations. Mrs. Shea stated she had been concerned rrith the rest of the property, but he had anssrered most of her questions concerning that. Mr. George said Planning Commisaion Heeting - November 17, 19T6 Page 4 that they t,rere looking for uses for it. He explained that they couldn't ask for rezoning at this time for that property without going through both Boards (the Hoard of �urlington Northern Industries and that of B N L Development)� and a use had to be Pound first. He said the land had to be turned over from Burlington Aiorthern to B f� L� and both Boards had to decide if it was a good use. He said they wuld then run a MAI and that told rrhether or not it should be a profitable project. Mr. George said that vhen these things xere done the area xould be open £or other ventures going into that property, as the data sheets stated. Mrs. Shea sa3d that the only access that xould be acceptable to her xould be right past Holidqy (57th)� othex�rise there would be traf£ic going through reaidential areas. Mr. Boardman said the only acceas that they had to the raotel from 694 Was on University� 57th and Main Street. Hr. Ceorge stated that i21 of the railroad peraonnel vovld be bu�ed by the motel to and Yrom. He said that in other words they would not drive� but be picked up by a motel van at the yard office and taken to the motel� and back to the yard office by the van. Mr, Bergman noted that this property and the property North� West and South xas all zoned M-2 and asked what the zoning xas for the Holid�r property. Mr. Hoardman replied it vas C2-S. Mr. Ber�nan asked xhat Mr. George�s arrangement xould be xith B N L if this motel came to pass, and Mr. George replied it was a lease. He sai.d they had a 25-Year lease with a 25-year option, and they did have clauses worked into the leasing arrangement where every five qears it was revierred for the naluation of the land. He explained it �as not open for at�yy type of negotiation� and if the land didn�t go up in va2ue there would be no change in the lease. Mr. Bergman asked x�at escalation guage rras used� and Mr. George said it was done on the basis of the MAI appraisal. He explained that five years from the time of the signing of the lease, enother appraisal would be done. Mr. Bergman said that he was not £amiliar xith the motel operation directly tied in to the railroad perao�►el,or railroad operation� and asked if Burlington Northern had any other such arrangements in the 1t�in Cities. Mr. George replied they did not, but they hoped to have the same arrangement in other cities. He said that now the railroad personnel �rere housed in some of the hotels in dowatoi+n Minneapolis because they couldn�t afford to house them in the very best motels. He explained that this vay they would have nex £acilities to put them in xith transportation ilirnished� and for the motel it xorked very xell because they rrere guaranteed a certain number of peoQ�eper day for occupancy xhich guaranteed proYitability Por the �tel. Mr. Bergman stated that he felt a bit arkxard with this pieae. He said that trithin a large M2 they frere talking about rezoning a small portion, and Pelt it almoat bordered on spot rezoning. He said he xas looking at the site data which apparently considered the possibility of additional commercial developanent to the size o£ this total site. Mr. Bergman noted that Mr. George had described a process xhere it would be out of conteat for Bnrlington Northern to come in n*ith a rezoning request for this entire parcel rather thsn this small corner with the understanding that if the larger scale plan developed then another Planning Commission Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 5 aection xc�uld be rezoned a piece at a time to the extent of this total parcel. Mr. (ieorge said if they could find a use for it, that Was correct. He added that those deta sheets xent out to developers throughout the countrg. Mr. Hergman asked if the code specifical�}* precluded construction of a motel in en industrial zone, and Mr. Boardman replied it did. Mra. (}abel stated that she was concerned about the traffic, and said there xas a good deal of congestion at the corner of University and $7th already. Mr. Boardmen said he didn�t see any problem with the traffic at all xith the signalization there. Mr. Bergman cowaented that he thought the traffic xould be reduced if this was commercislly used as compared to indnstriaZly used. Mrs. Gabel said she felt that vasn't necessarily true. Mr. Boardman said he thought they umuld find there vouldn't be that much off-the-highxay business. He said he thought the majority of the business wauld be industrial and railroad busineas� and wi.th that probab�y most of the trafYic pattern to and from the motel irou2d be South, along Main Street. Mrs, Gabel stated she thought the traffic by Holidqy was about at ita m_atim»ro, �, �orge said she xas probably talking about 1�:30 or 5:00 in tHe afternoon, and the traffic trying to get off of 69L� � the rootel vould be at 7:00 or 8:00 P,M. end not the 3:30 to 5:30 rushhhour. He explained the men would be bussed in crews of five to ten people at a ti.me, an@ the mai.n time for checking into a motel xas usually from 6:30 to 8:30 P.M., not the rush hour. Mrs. Gabel said another concern she had xas that Staff should see there vas proper screening or some type of buf£er Prom the residential area across the street, and also so the traffic wouldn�t somehow end up going down residential streets. Mr. Boardman said that the actual motel construction xould be quite a bit South of the intersection of 57th and Main. He said it xas actually across from the rear parking lot of Holidqy Village North� end he didn't think there would be a lot of traffic that would go 8iorth on Msin Street North of the 57th intersection. He said there vas room for extensive landscaping, and he just didn't think they xere going to find that kind o£ a problem as Par as the use oi Main Street. Mr. Boardman said he did have several other concerns on the properiy as far as possible usageof the entire section that irent to blst, Mrs. Gabel sai.d it did seem to be spot rezoning xithout lmorring what was intended for the remai.nder of the strip of land� and added she would £eel more comfortable if the Whole parcel xould be rezoned, Mr. Langenfeld coimnented that he could te21 be listening to Mr. George that his clientele xouldn't be walking into a"surpirise". He stated the Commission was basically concerned with the zoning� snd the City would like to aee this lsnd utilized to the best possible advantage. Ae said that in listening to the discussion he £elt that a motel and restaurant rrould be complimentary to the other surrounding businesses. He atated he noticed Mr. George had projection £igures of 95% occupsncy, end asked if he could tell from that projection approximately how many people a day would be innolved in this on an average. Mr. George said there xould be approximately 60 people a day Yrom Burlington Northern, with space for more. He stated that eventually they vould like to have 2500 occupencies per month, or g!� people a d�y. Mr. Langen£eld asked what the actual dimensions rrere that they should be concerned about� and Hr. Boardman replied it vas �51.3� in depth end 366•s' Planning Go�aission Meeting - November 17, 1976 Page 6 wide on Main Street. Mr. Langenfeld asked hox maqy square feet that was� end Mr. George replied it was 1�+ acres� or 188,000 square feet. Mr. Boardman said that was about one tenth of the total property. Chairperson Harris statedtthe Pirst thing on his list of concerns xes road patterns. He noted the main access to the motel complex was 694 to Univeesity, University to 57th and over to Main Street to the motel. He said it xas also possible to get in there off of Main Street from the South. He asked if Mr. George rras look3ng for eny other access besides those txo routes� and Mr. George replied he xas not. Chairperson Aarris noted that the area was approximately lt+ acres, and asked xhat minimum lot size was on commercial. Mr. Boardman said it was 20,000 square feet, so they were w�y over. Mr. Harris said he xanted to get into the construction� and asked what total units xould be built at the time of onset of the proposa2. Mr. (ieorge said txo !t0's and one 24 �it would be constructed at the time of onset (104 units), along xith the restaurant. Chairperson Harris asked if there was going to be a recreation area, and Mr. George replied there was not. He said, hovever� that iP they had an ezpansion and they sax it xas necessary, they would look into it. He said that in motels they had found that pools had a 5,� usage of the total occupancy of the motel on a txelve-month basis� end there �rere maz�y problems with vandalism with pools.' Mr, George explained that they were dealing primarily r�rith the coimnercial traveler xho vas on the road ten or eleven months out of the year and srhose eapenses had gone up end was looking for some way to cut costs. He said, hoWever� that they did have corporate accounts; Por instance� in DeKalb they had all oY General Electric's business, all of Continental Telephone's business and a good part of DeKalb Bag's business. He said that they did have a lounge and geme area and each unit had a 19" color televis�on set, but there xas no pool, dancing £acilities, etc. Chairperson Harris asked xhere other such motels xere located presently� and Mr, 6eorge said they had one operating in DeKalb and had plans for units in Davenport, Staples� Jaznestoxn, Fargo, and Davenport. He said they were also looking to Denver, Colorado and Aurora, Illinois. Mr. LangenPeld asked about employment as far as the City of Fridley xas concerned, and Mr. George said they had a manager, a twenty-four hour room clerk set up, and maids. He said that most of the maintenance vas done by contracts, for instance, they had a permanent contract with RCA for the maintenance o£ all the television sets. Mr. George said that in the restaurant they xould have cooks� dishwashers� waitresses� etc. Chairperson Harris asked if they had taken signing for access into consideration, and Mr. George replied they had a a��i system that told people xhere to exit and xhich x� to turn. He added that they also had a mailing system that went out, aztd in this area it xould probably go to about 2,000 businesses. He explained that this xas hox they recruited the business from General ffiectric in DeKalb; they have an open house and invite industrial and co�mnercial people Planning Com�ission Meeting - November 17, 197b Page ? in to aee the rooms and xhat the charges are. Ghairperson Harris asked Mr. George if he xas axare there was another complex in Fridley that went by the name of Georg�torm� and Mr. George replied he was aware� but there xas no connection. Mr. Boardman said he vas somexhat concerned about the property that is West of this facility that is still owned by Barlington Northern in the back. He asked Mr. Beorge wt�y he hadn't purchased all the way back to the track. Mr. George replied they very possibly r*ill� but right nox they saw no need to pay lease on that ground. He said he xould like to put another building there if this zoning vent through as he actually saw a need for 250 - 30� rooms in that complex before they were done xith it. He explained they had to pe4Y lease money oA every square foot of groimd so they took just what they needed, but they could eome back and pick up additional property. Mr. George further explained that the parent corporation bought a particular amount of stock in B d1 L Corpoa�tion� aad B#.L bought the property Yrom the parent corporation,.- He said that usage had to be developed be£ore they could actually go to the $urlington Northern Board and say they had use for that land. He said that studies had to be made so they could be assured o£ a profit on that project before they could ask for the ground. Mr, Boardman said he xas concerned about rezoning in step phases. He said that once they started developing this into �rhatever they felt it should go� they should have some guarantee that they uould not be stuck yrith a mishmash of industrial uses� residential uses and cwmnercial uses. Chairperson Harris said he �rould like to talk to the gentlemen from B N L Corporation, because he thought their advertising on this particular parcel xas misleading. He said he thought they should come to the City and talk about it on a total develop- ment packege. r Mr. Hoardman said he Yelt uneasy in several weys. He said he jrould like to see the vhole thing rezoned to a different zoTl ro as he didn't think the industrial zoining was needed. He said he Pelt it encroached on the resi�ts of the area.to the F.ast and the North. Mr. Bosrdman sai.d he would like to see some mult3ple or some kind of residential development on the Northern portion of that, and maybe some compatible office or comnercial South of that. Horrever� he said, h'e felt uneasy when it Was zoned industrial and there xas nothing comi.ng out that aould shox them this vas the way they went it developed. He added he xould like to see a trend estab2iahed. Chairperson Harris said he would like a comprehensive plan, and saked what their comprehensive plan said about this. Mr, Boardman said the comprehensive plan £or this area said it should be industrial� but he didn't agree. He stated that one oY the reasons it needed an ismnediate revamping xas because they had looked at it as if the City rould not initiate any rezoaing, and therePore they had handled most aress as they rrere presently zoned. He said that he strongly felt this area should not go industrial, and'sai@ he might also add they presently had three industrial buildings on this section. Mr, Lengenfeld said ffi6 suported Hr. Boardman's statement, and he thought that due to the maturity of the City and the changes that have taken place� the industrial designation of that entire area xas really not appropriate. Mr. Plenn3ng Co�iasion ?feeting - November 17, 1976 Page 8 Boardman said one of the problems vas it was all aell end good to say this area not go industrial, but the fact of the matter xas it was presently zoned industrial. He suggested they get some kind of concept ideas from Surlington Northern as to rrhat they xould like to see in there. Chairperson Harris said that it must be obvious from Burlington Northern turning the property over to B N L Development that they do not intend on running the thing as an industrial site. He said that B N L handled just co�maercial and no industrial� so their intent must be in a direction other than heavy industrial. Mr. Boardman said that in talking to B N L� their real problem xas they did not get any property turned over to them� nor did they get the opportunity to rezone property� unless Burlington Northern wants it rezoned. He stated that Burlington Northern did noi want it rezoned unless they had suitable c2ientele at the time, and added that Burlington Northern wanted the most options avail- able to them with the least restrictions. Mr. Harris said he thought that B pl L should come in to the City, or perhaps Burlington Northern should come in. He explained to Mr. George that they had dealt xith Burlington Northern before. He said they had a switch yard which started out to be a 23 million dollar operation snd nov was around k8 million, and not all o£ the commitments made st that time have been reslized� and that xas sia years ago. He sai.d that therefore he had a little trouble trusting Burlington Northern implicity. Mr. Leggenfeld brought up the problem of drainage, and Mr. Boardman said that Burlington Northern did have a storm sewer pipe along their property and it might be possible to corinect with that; otherwise they xould have to get permission from the State Highway Department to drain o£f of their drainage right-of-xay. Mrs. Gabel asked if extra drainage was needed to hendle that� xho xould p$}r for it? Mr. Boardman said it xould have to be the property ormer� and he didn�t foresee aqy costs to the residents. Mr. Bergman asked if there were any other concerns of a utility nature such as water� end Mr. Boardman replied that xater and sexer wuld be extended dosrn £rom 57th to the property, Mr. Bergman asked how critical timing was to Mr. George� and Mr. George replied that timing was very crftics2. He statadcthat Qrints xere dravn for the project, and they had expected the railroad to have moved fester in their develo�nent of the leasing arrangements and things like that. He added that they xere th;nkin� that this xo�ld have been done in April� and they just had the land signed over for zoning in October. He stated that even i£ there was 24 - 30" of frost this coming April, they could still start. Mr. Langenfeld asked if it was their goal to complete building nwnber 1 by the end of 1977� and Mr. George said the whole complex rrould be completed by then. KOTION by LangenYeld� seconded by Hergman� that the Platuting Commissmon close the Public Hearing on the Rezoning Requeat 7AA #76-06 by Georgetorm Motel, Inc, Upon a noice vote, all noting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 9:00. Planning Commission Meet3ng - November 17, 1976 Page 9 I�TTON by Bergman� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Co�m�ission defer Rezoning Request ?AA #T6-06, by Georgetor�m Motel, Inc.� xith the following considerations: 1. That the presentation made by lir. Carl George is of a generally favorable impression �rith regard to the motel and specific property development. 2. This body is in general concurrence with rezoning the present industrially zoned land from 69l� to its extension to blst Street. 3. That the Planning Conuaission is in general disagreement with parcel by parcel spot rezoning. !�. That the Plazu►ing Cocr�ission request from the property ormer a comprehensive plan concerning the intended use of the total industrially zoned parcel. Mr. Hoardman asked if that xas actually xhat they wanted� or if they xanted an opportunity to talk to Burlington Northern about proposed development in the area. I�Ir. Bergman said the motion requested a plan from Burlington Northern� and unti7. he sax that he wou2dn�t lmov hov to respond. He stated that the motion did require more than conversation. Mr. Boardman said that his impression Prom dealing xith Burlington Northern and talking to B N L xas that their plan in the area was industrial until proven otherwi.se. Hr. Langenfeld noted that Hr. George had a tentatzve ti�table vhich would be altered as a result of this motion� and it would detain him a bit. He stated that he personally felt it �rould be unfair for Mr. George to feel that the Ylanning Cotmnisaion Was detaining this, and it would be more appropriate to s�v that if Burlington Northern had provided better inPormation to consider this further the Planning Co�aission vould heve been able to act i.tmrtediste2y as far as zoning. Mr. Boardman said he did ask a representative Prom B N L to attend t,his meeting� but he declined, He added that he thought they should get somebody from Burlington Northern as they were the controllers oP the property. Mrs. Gabel sai.d that she realized it seemed unfair to dstain him or make him extend his timetable� but on the other hand if she had to vote yes or no at this time she would have to vote no. She stated that after looking at the site plane, it just boiled down to the fact that from Hhat they are using as criteria on there as potential developers� it could end up to be a hodgepodge. She added that if they vere asking for the whole thing to be rezoned, she aould have no objection to that� but right nox it was just a potential mess. Chairperson Harris said that he didn�t see this as a spot rezoning and he certainly wanted to see that 176� that runs next to the tracks included in G2 zoning� and he shared everybody�s concern on the rema3nder of the property. He added that he thought this particular develo�nent would be a great plus for the City, and he agreed with Mr. George�s concept. Mr. Bergman said that he did� too. He stated that although he mqjr not have adequately complimented the concept Planning Co�isaion Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 10 put forth} he thought the City xould like to have it. He said that they were concerned with the total development of the property and that it be done in some planned fashion� and xould like to see a better plan of the property. Mr. Langenfeld said that it seemed strange that Hurlington Northern, having such a large strip� didn't have a better overall fhturepplan for the properties they oyrs►ed. He said he felt that Burlington Northern should have been more informative to Mr. George as to the possibilities of xhat they intended to do to the North of the proposed motel site. Mr. George stated they had gone over that� end thought office buildings xould be compatible to this project. He said he xas under the impression that office buildings came under commercial zoning, end said they wanted to have a feasibility study done on the need Yor office buildings. He said he had also adked about the possibility of housing for older people and if there xas a need Yor that� so they xere looking to other uses for this parcel. Mr. George said that they felt this xas nox their lend for a period of fifty years and that B N L actually no longer had a right to it if it xas rezoned. He said he could see the Comnission�s concern about the rest of the property because it did not have frontage, and anything that didn't have frontage vas not going to be condusive to something desirable.commer cially. Mr. George said he could remedy that by including that strip in the rezoning request and pay the lease on it, and thai xay they would have it when theq xere ready for additional buildings to go on it. He said that they Were asking for the rezoning because they were obligated on the land for a peri.od of YiYty years� and it xas actually the same as rezoning subject to purchase. He said he had worked with these people for two years on this project, and vith the City for a year or so. He stated he lmew the Yeeling vas the land vas still industrial, but i£ Georgetorm Hotels didn't have faith in these people that it vould not be used for industrial they would never have made a million dollar investment in this project. He said that as a matter o£ fact, his organization would like to be the users of part of the property and xould like a feasibilfty stuc�v run on it for office space. Mrs. Gabel asked if Burlington Northern had indicated hox they wanted this zoned� and Mr. Boardman replied that the only indication he had gotten vas they vere lookiag for the ms:imum number oY options. He stated that right now he didn�t think they would vant to tie themselves into a diPferent zoning as it was presently M-2� xhich is the highest posaible land use that is anailable. Chairperson Harris stated th�t it seemed to him it wuld be to Burlington Northern�s benefit to have some sort of idea as to xhat would fit into this. He said he.wss under the impression the reason Burlington Northern set up B.N.. Land Development xas to get this land that had been laying dormant for fifty to one hundred years into production. He added thatiit would seem to him that in order to do that they should have some idea es to what i.ould work well on that land. Mr. Hoardman said he thought the motivation behind that was they had to start paying taxes on all this unproductive land, and norr the problem vas hox to promote the property as fast as they could without having to go through a feasibility study on every piece oY property. Mr. Langenfeld coumiented that he thought he already lmesr xhat their comprehensive plan vas, and that xas if the dollar rras right £or a particular piece a�#'land, that was the way it vas going to go. Planning Commission Meeting - November 17, 1976 Page 11 Mrs. Gabel asked xhere the City stood as far as aqying to Burlington Northern that they xould like to have this land rezoned commercial and developed that x�y. Mr. Boardman said he didn't think the City wanted to tell Burlington Northern they had to rezoae this because right awa�y there irould be a legal fight. He said the land was presently zoned industrial property, and Burlington Northern was looking £or other possibilities of development. Mr, $oardman said he had one other question, and asked if the Coimnission felt that a motel was compatible use to that area if the rest of the property North of the motel remained industrial, end iY so, why the table? Mrs. Gabel cwranented that she felt it xas spot rezoning unless the whole thing xas rezoned. Mr. Bergman said he xould like to ansjrer that question� and stated he was concerned that it be parcelled up in logical planning parcels and th�s strip betxeen the rezoni.ng request and the railmad tracks he Yelt should have been part of the rezoning. Chai.rperson Harris said that he xas not sure that the M-2 was compatible xi.th the C-2. Chairperson Harris said that from his own standpoint� he thought Mr. George's proposal vss compatible trith the total area, and he thought that was srhat they xere trying to look at--the total area and not just the existing zone. He stated that perhapa this Would be a progressive type zoning operation, and he hoped it xould be a atep. Mr. Harris said he didn't lmow if they needed a comprehensive plan, but did thir� they should talk to the people from B N L and find out xhat direction they xere looking at. He said he also felt they should talk to someone about the particular flyer Hr. George had shoWn them xhich said 4potetitial commercial". UPON A VOIC$ VOT&� Harris, Bergman, LangenYeld and Gabel voting �ye, Shea voting n�y� the motion carried !t - 1. Chairperson Harris said he rrould like B N L or Burlington Northern to come in to the City Staf£ and ask £or assistance in deciding xhat could be done xith thia parcel. Mrs. Gabel coimnented that she thought the point was they had to look out for the fliture of the entire city. Mr. Boardmen suggested to Mr. George that he make the initial contact vith B N L or Burlington Northern to meeta.s$th the Planning Co�nission on December 8th. 2. LOT SPLIT RSQUFST: L.S. jjE76-12 BY DICK GRSGOR: Split the balance o£ Lot 1� Au itor s Su ivision 29� into tro bui ding sites� each 138� x 110� xhich excepts the West 129 feet of the South � of Lot 31� and excepts the North �, snd alloxs for a 25' road dedication £or 73� Avenue. I.ots will be addressed on 73� end 73� Avemie N.E. Mr, and Mrs. Dick Gregor were present. Mr, Bpardman expla3ned that this was a lot split request to split the Bast half of lot 31 in half Northaand South, and he thought this was in keeping rith the area. He suggested there be a stipulation that the 25' street dedication odcur at this time on 73� Avenue. Planning Commission Meeting - November 17, i976 Page 12 Chairperson Harris asked i£ block 31 was all under one ot,mership� and Mr. Gregor said he only os+ned the portion East of the existing structure. Mr. Boardman stated he had been under the impresaion those were under the same oWnership, but regardless of that, they vould have to have that 25' street dedication. He said they rrould have to deal xith the oxner of the West portion of block 31 individuelly. Chairperson Harris asked if the remaining lot sizes would be sufficient, and Mr. Boardman replied they would have a 92.75 xidth. He stated the depth vould be approximately 137', so the lots xould probably be around 12,000 square feet. Mr. Harris asked if there vere any other easements required, and Mr. Boardman said there r�rere not. Mr. Harris asked if Ji.m Lund hadn't purchased some of that land taz forfeit so the county had a little bit wider right-of-waty on 73rd, and Mr. Boardman replied that rras correct. Mr. Langenfeld asked if the West portion of Lot 31 xould be split some time in the future� and Chairperson Harris noted there was a structure in there nox that sat almost in the middle of the lot� so he doubted there wou2d be a pplit. Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Gregor i£ 6e xas in agreement xith the dedication of the 25' street easement, and he ansxered that he was. MOTION by Lengenfeld, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Cormnission recoffinend to City Council approval of Lot Split Request L.S, //76-12, by Dick Gregor: Split the balance of 7.ot 31� Auditor�s Subdivision 129� into txo building sites, esch 138' x 110� which excepts the West 129 feet of the South � of Lot 31, and excepts the North '�, and alloxs for a 25' road dedication for 73� Avenue. Lots will be addressed on 73rd and �3� pvenue N.E. Upon a voice vote, all voting �ye, the motion carried unenimously. 3. REVISW OF SPECIAI. USE PSRMIT SP $-28 UNION OIL COASPANY: Request for a ing permit to cons ruct a nex sexwice sta ion. See Planning Commission minutes 12/3/75). Chairperson Harris said that one of the stipulations of the Special Use Permit had been that when they came in for a building permit request that this be reviewed by the Plannir� Conuuission again. Mr. Boardman informed the Commission that Union Oil xas planning a self- service type concept� and the only building they vould have xas an attended station. He said they xould be taking the preaent building doxn, and there xere well-designed landscape areas xithin the concept itself. Mr. Boardmen said that the redesign of the intersection there did create some traffic concern within this property� and it looked like they had taken that into consideration. Mrs. Shea asked the size of the cashier station, and Mr. Boardman informed her it was ].It� x 8'. Planning Commi.ssion Meeting - November 17, 1976 Page 13 Chairperson Harris asked if this met the requirements for restrooms, and Mr. Bosrdmen said that Darrel Clark and looked at it so he imagined it met the requirements. Mr. Harris noted there xas a folding curtain on the restroom, and that did not meet the handicapped code. Mr. Boardman stated he didn't think this would fall under the handicapped code requirements, and be£ore any permit was granted it xould have to meet all neceasary code requirements. Mr. Bergman coimnented that he would be amazed i£ this met code it it xas to be used by the public. Chairperson Harris stated it must be open to the public because he safr it contained displ� racks so they must be selling things over the counter, and noted that the back of the shelf vas the screening wall for the bathroom. Chairperson Harris suggested that they could make stipulations on the Special Use Permit, but Mr. Boardman said they couldn't make any stipulations that rrould be more restrictive than the Uniform Building Code. In other xords, he explained, if they had a 3' door and the City vanted them to have a 3'�° door, they couldn't make that'a requirement. Mr. Harris said that if this structure met code, he thought they should vrite some letters. Mr. Hoardman said that if it didn�t meet the building code, it would meet the building code before it was built. Chairperson Harris said he rould think that the Union 76 Compeny could afford a door for the restroo�. Mr. Bergman said that compared to the vay other gas station operations got treated xhich also required special use permits in their zoning� he thought perhaps they xere being a bit oppressive on this particular operation. Mr. Harris said he thought the intent of this xas an annual review by Staff, and this was done as a matter of procedure for most Special Use Permits. Mr. Bergman cotmnented that he didn�t understand the trafPic pattern. He said he had never seen a self-service station that complicated, and thought it was very curious. Chairperson Harris said he thought they xould have some direction signs or arror�rs, and he thought there should be direction arrows on the driving sur£ace. MOTION by Hergman� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Co�aission recommend to City Council approval of Special Use Permit, SP #75-28, Union Oil Compar�y: Request for a building permit to construct a new service station, and the proposed building plans, with the following stipulat�6ons: 1. That traffic patterns be heavily indicated on the physicil site. 2. That ail applicab2e codes be strictly checked vith concerns for sanitary Yacility adequacy, Por the handicapped in particular. Upon a voice vote, all voting �ye� the motion carrfed unanimously. Chsi.rperson Harris declared a recess at 10:20 P.M, and reconv�ned the meeti.ng at 10:35 P.M. �" Planning Coimnission Meeting - November 17, 1976 Page llt J�. �NTINUID: PROPOSED HAINTBNAATCE COD&: Ghairperson Harris declared a!�5 minute time limit on this item irith the concurrence o£ the rest of the Cosmiission. Mrs. Gabel stated it seemed to her in going through this that one of the things that was rea7ly pertinent xas irhat exactly the job of the Fire Easpector was and ehat areas he covered, did the Health Department enter into this� etc., so there.xasn�t en overlap. Mr. Boardman said that the Fire Inspector inspected only those public areas such as hallx�s, entrances� fire extinguishers, etc. He said that the Fire Inspectors did go through every industrial buu�lding in the City every year and check according to fire codes. He stated that the only problem they had was that they never adopted a Uni�orm Fire Code. He said that if one was adopted� it m�y overlap them in the industrial/cotmnercial area, and they m�p want to do a�ray xith that portion of thec:vnaintenance code. Chairperson Harris said that srould make more sense to him than an industrial/ commercial maintenance code. Mr. Boardman said that i.n most communities they had a residential maintenance code vhich dealt xith multiple family and duple=es. He stated that in �st cases the programs were relatively large and in some cases they went on a complaint basis only. To his lmoxledge� Hr. Boardman said, St. Louis Park Was the only coimnunity at this time that xas going into flill-fledge inspection programs. Hrs. Gabel asked if FHA or GI didn�t go through the homes and require that things be brought up to code before the house could be purchased. Mr. Harris said they didn't require it be brought up to code� but up to their standards. Mr. Boardman eaplained that in some cases their stendards xere high on certain things and lox on others. Chairperson Harris said that concern- ing couenercial loans, they usually sent out an appraisal. He stated that if the house didn't have adequate heating facilities or plumbing facilities, that would reflect in the appraisal of the property and hox much the lending institution xould lend on the property. Mr. Ber�nan asked if the extent of their i.nspection or xhether they inspected at all didn't depend paimarily on hmr much money the potential buyer xanted to borrow. Chairperson Harris said that to his ]moxledge they �rere alx�ys appraised� but they did not apply standards. Mr. Lengenfeld said that he xished to indicate to the Coaunission that he had doae both types of inspections, and they did catch everything. He said that Mr. Harris was correct in the w� it operated. Mgr.Langenfeld said that in the past meetings the word 'hnaintensnee" xas qnestioned, and read the definition of the word Yrom the American Heritsge Dietionary: a. The action of continuing caring on� presenving, or retaining some�hing, b. A work of keeping something in proper condition. Pfr. Langenfeld said he liked this definition procedure� but he thought something like a"flush water closet" vas a bit ridiculons. He said that mar�y o£ the terms in the proposed code weren't used in conmon language. He asked if they t�rere going to divide the code into sections. Mrs. Shea commented that she had gotten the impression at the last meeting that this praposed eode �as not rhat they xanted. Mr. Langenfedl said he had read through it again and had marked a few things he thought were good, but the rest he would %te against. He snggested using the proposed code as a guide- line. � Planning Coirunission Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 15 Mr. Hergman gave one other definition of maintenance vhich he said came faom out oP a coatract he had for maintenance� being "the preservation of that xhich exista". He thought the code discussed something other than that. For example� he said, upgrading was not maintenance, or having to add a xindox was not maintenance. He stated that if they xanted to address things like that they should not call it a maintenance code because the definition didn't apply. Mr, yangenfeld sai.d he felt in a xay it xas similar to an insurance concept. He stated that when a loss occurred� the idea behind the insurance was to replace that property to the nearest or same condition it xas before the loss. He said he felt they should try to keep this dvelling in as close to the same type condition as it xas at the time of purchase. Mrs. Gabel said she didn't think they could use existing conditions because existing conditions m�y not be safe. Mrs. Shea suggested using the vord "standard". She added that xhen they xere talking about some of this property, rental homes, etc., some were substandard and pretty bad and the occupants couldn�t get help. Mr. Bergman coimaented that the rent would go up r.ith the improvements, and Mrs. Shea agreed that xas true. Chairperson Harris said that ras a real tough problem. He added that so many ti.m� the low-income got all vrapped up in substandard, and that shouldn't be. Mrs. Shea said that the lox incorae person didn't lmox xhere to go for help, and if the City couldn't help, rrho could? Mr. Bergman stated they could move out and £ind a place that did have a toilet, heat, or whatever. Mrs. Shea said the rent would then be $200, which they couldn't af£ord. Mr. Bergman said i£ they required all those things of the dxelling they xere in, it xould be $200 a month also. He stated that a person xho was managing rental property couldn�t be told to spend $20,000 upgrading that property and not raise the rent. Mr. Langenfeld said that it vas human nature that a person vho didn�t actually oxn his property didn't treat it the same as if it was his o�m, and that xas where the deteriora- tion took place, That in turn, he said, forced the land oxner to say he couldn't afford to fix it and then he got a lover-income type of person in there and it just snoxballed. y1rs. Gabel said that then they should realize that i£ these things rere to be brought up to m3nimum standard there would be that many more people applying for assistance. Mr. Boardman said that in order to get assistance on housing anyx�y� it had to meet certain code standards. Mr. Bergman said that on the subject of fire inspection, what codes did the Fire Inspector have that he now folloved, He said he xould like to suggest that the Co�nission ask that type of question applicable to every trades or mainteaance or housing element that they had. He suggested that xherever there was some inspection function, appraisal fluiction or requirement function such as HUD's requirements� or some other body that had some inspection codes� that the �ity of Fridiey '-_-.judge whether or not those xere adequate and if so, merely reference them and delete them from duplication in the maintenance code and get on with vhat xas left. Chairperson Harris asked the Coimnission what they thought should be in a maintenance code. Mr. Langenfeld said he thought it should contai.n some coimiwn sense. He said he would like to see it start off with definitions, and added that so many xords just didn�t have to be there. Mrs. Gabel stated that she didn't think there was a need to get so cumbersome. She said the � Planning Commission Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 16 City should require adequate heat, adequate vater and sewer, adequate ventilla- tion, non-twcic paint, no holes in the floors� etc. She suggested they just use basic things, and asid this didn�t have to be so complicated, Mrs. Gabel stated that if the carpet was worn that xas not a safety hazard; but if there was a hole in the floor, that was a saYety hazard. As for the exterior, she said the roof shouldn�t leak, the foundation should be checked so rodents and pests couldn�t get in, etc. Mrs. Shea stated that she liked Mr. I.angenfeld's idea of dividing the code up� and she vould also like to see three separate sections: R-1, Single Family; R-2 and R-3, tiultiple Drellings; and H-1�, Mobile Homes. Mr. Bergman asked if there should be tvo sections under R-1--ovner occupied and rental. Mr. Harris said perhaps there should� but he didnTt Imow why R-1 ovner occupied should be any di£ferent than R-1 rental. Mrs. Shea said that would depend on the w�* they were enforced� but the standards should be the same. Mr. Harris said that enforcement should have txo sections. He continued that R-2 and R-3 �re almost alxqys rental� but R-2 could address both ovner-occupied and rental, such as a double bung3lox. He asked xhy they would Want to handle the standards any different in a R-2 and a R-3 if it vas oi+neraoccupied. Mrs. Shea suggested putting H.-2 xith R-1 and leaving R-3 bY itself. Mr. Bergman suggested one section on single-family dwellings and one on multiple, and merely break those into o�ner-occupied versus rental. Mr. Boa:dman said that the problem xith that vas they had a certain control on rental property that Kas not R-1; they licensed R-3 but did not 13cense rental R-1 or rental R-2. Chairperson Harris asked if it was agreeable to the Commission to run R-1 and R-2 together� and have R-3 be a separate section� and they agreed it xas, Mr. Harris said that R-!� would be like R-1 except it xould be mobile homes. Nr, Harris stated that the code should then be broken dos+n into those sections� and each handled separately. Mr. Boardman said that the total package they had been presented xith xas a foux�section documents Structural R-1� R-2, &-3 end R-lg �terior maintenance; Co�mnercial - Industrial; and Hcterior Yor Co�anercial and Industrial. He said that pehhaps they should ask iP they really needed the exter�or maintenance for residential and commercial� or if instead of providing maintenance codes they should require more stringent regulations or definitions �rithin the zoning code itself. Ae asked if those standards of maintenance should be layed out in this, or if they wanted to try to put more standards Within the zoning code as far as irhat was classified as ^shall be in good maintenance". Chairperson Harris said he xould like to handle this as an entity by itself zaithout getting commercial and industrial in it. Mr. Boardman co�nented that most comminities only handled residential maintenance. Chairperson Harris asked xhat was covered regarding exterior maintenance, and Mr. Boardman said that xas talking about removal of snox and ice from parking lots� steps� walkw�YS� etc.� and slso exterior lighting. He asked i£ they wanted this type oP thing in there or if they xanted to handle this under the zoning code. Mr. Harris co�nented that it sounded like R-3. Mr. Bergman asked if there was aqything in the City Ordinance right now which said the rralkw�vs in an R-1 area must be shoveled, and Mr. Boaxdman replied there was not as the walkw�ys they had rrere msintained by the City. �.�?_!;. Planning Commission Meeti.ng - November 17, 1976 Page 17 Mr, Langenfeld stated they had already broken this doym into three divisions, and he would now like to see them determine minismm standards for each of the three units and simpliPy this thing. He ssid that to try to ansver Mr. Boardman's queat:on, he really didn't think they xanted a rrhole page on enery- thing. He said that through the discusaion he suggested they might £ind a minimmn standard would apply to all of the units, and they could progress £rom there. Chairparson Harris said he thought Hr. Boardman�s question xas rrhether or not they wanted to include the exterior maintenance in tfiis code� and Mr. Bergman said definitely. Mr. Langenfeld said he ras suggesting a general outline so they could real�y tack. lthis thing. Mr. Harris said m�ybe they could breek each one of the three sections they had i.nto subsections--interior maintenance and exterior maintenance. Mr. Boardman said that he vould like to lmov exactly xhat they xanted to include in the maintenence code. Did they xant to include just residential or residential and commercial; exterior and interior or just structural? He said that before they broke one portion of that down into R-1, R-3 and R-ly, maybe they should make some determination as to xhat they wanted to include here and what other areas could handle that. Chairperson Harris said that they had to start someplace� and he thought they had decided to start out �+ith the residential in three sections: R-1 and R-2� R-3, and R-4� and under each of these sections have a subsection of interior maintenance and exterior maintenance. He ezplained it was just an organizational thing, and he thought it xould be much easier this wey for people to find a certain section. Mr. Ber�aan suggested that perhaps subjects should be itemized and then Afr. Boardman could fill in from that type of outline. The Commission concurred, and decided the subjects should be health, safety, and appearance (for lack of a better term). Mr. Boardman said safety would be anything that would be hazardous such as structural or any physical defect that could cause injury or harm to the occupant. Mr. Ber�nan thought electrical and gas servi.ces should also be included under safety. He added he vas thinking of a fifteen- page document msximum to cover all residential. Mr. Boardman said the only xqy they cuuld get fifteen pages maximum xould be to combine areas xhich said the same thing. He said if they could categorize items into one section xhen they xere identical it irould save paper and not be so repititmous. Chairperson Harris asked what else should be included in the outline besides health� safety and appearence. Mrs. Gabel suggested they go rrith that, and they could alweys add more if they found something else. Mr. Boardman said they would also have a definition section� and they used building code definitions. Mr. Boazdman suggested they also 3n�lude enforcement, and Mr. Langenfe2d suggested responsibilfty. The Couanission decided responsibility would come under enforcement. Mr. Bergman co�nented that safety was an awfully broad section. He said he xould put gas and electrical service under a hasard section, and put shoveling sidewalks under safety; the need Yor adequate heat and adequate plumbing would fa12 under health� but adequate Planning Comnission Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 18 ventillation would be under safety. Chairperson Harris noted that their time limit was almost up, and suggested the Coirmiission let the City run with this general outline and see what could be put together for them. Hr. Boardmen mentioned that he thought they would be surprised that a lot oP xhat they mentioned ras in the proposed code. Mr. Bergman said that before they got in any position to £inalize this, he would like to see a list of present applicable codes and enforcement that concern themselves xith the same kind of things that they vere discussing here because there xas no sense in duplicating something that everybody else vas already doing and had a license to do. He said he was thinki.ng of the Fire Inspectors� State Health Department� Department of Labor and Induatry, etc, Mr. Boardman said that was xhy he thought that perhaps they should eliminate the industrial-coimnercial section of the maintenance code, but they might want to keep an exterior mavatenance code on industrial-commercial. 5. CONTINU&D: HUMAN DSVELOPMENT GOAI.S AND OBJECTI�E'.S Mr. Boardman informed the Commission that this was not ready, but Would be continued to the next meeting. 6. REC&IV& PARKS & RfiCREATION CAAII4ISSION MINUTFS: OCTOBER 25, 1976 I+�TION by Shea� seconded by LangenPeld� that the Planning Co�nission receive the Yarks and Recreation Cormnission minutes of October 25, 1976. Upon a voice vote� all noting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Langenfeld commented that he vould like to see some of the initials defined, such as F.Y.S.A., H.A.F., M.A.H.A., A.A.A.S. He suggested they be spelled out when they are first used, and after that just the initials could be used. Chairperson Harris said he had a good point, and Mr. Boardman said it was so noted. 7. xECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCTsS MINUTffi: NOVENN1BFTi. 4, 1976 1�TION by Shea, seconded by Ber�nan, that the Planning Co�nission receive the $uman Resources Commission minutes oP Nonember 1�� 1976. Mrs. Shea stated that Hrs. Lambert had resigned and she wanted to urge that so�ebody be appointed as quickly as possible to take her place. Chairperson Harris said that regardi.ng the discussion rdth James Hill, the Public Safety Director, he found the figures astounding. Especially, he said, in the area of juveniles. He stated this vas very disturbing, and asked if Humsn Resources vas going to try to come up with any recommendations. Mrs. Shea answered that this was just informational Yor them and the public. She Planning Commission Meeting - November 17, 1976 Page 19 said they were trying to fi.nd out what the Police Department xas doing. Mrs. Shea explained that most of them didn�t see xhat the Police Department xas doing, and that was important. She added that Mr. Hill didn't feel this xas a major problem� and they really veren't so bad off compared to some other cities. Chairperson Harris said the report disturbed him because it looked as if there was a trend developing. He asked if lir. Hill had any recommendations that the City could do or areas they could vork in to help this situation. Mrs. Shea replied that Mr. Hill had said £inding more jobs xould h21p. She explained that the major cause was just plain nothing to do, and jobs were not available. Mrs. Gabel asked if Mrs. Shea didn't feel this was indicatine of the need for the Youth Center� and Mrs. Shea replied that Mr. Hill thought one could work, but he wasn't real enthusiastic. Chairperson Harris stated that this whole thing might be the product of an affluent society. Mrs. Gabel said that brought up an interesting poi.nt, and asked if these juneniles xho trere picked up vere from affluent homes. Mrs. Shea stated that Mr. Hill didn't have records on that. Mr. Boardman said that even more disturbing� �5% of all persons arrested for murder rrere under the age o£ 2$, 77� of all persons arrested for robbery xere under the age of 25, and 85� of all persons arrested For burglary were under the age of 25. Hr. Langenfeld commented that the claims for theft xere getting to be tremendous. Chairperaon Harris said he didn�t notice �ch discussion in the report relating to drugs, and he xondered how much of the 85� in the burglary was related to trying to procure money for drugs. Mrs. Shea said that these £igures were from the F.B.I., and Mr, Hill had co�nented he didn't rely on them too much. Mr. Langenfedd said he tirould like to bring the Coimnission's attention to the second to last paragraph on page 1�7, which stated that if the youths were kept busy or interested in something, there xould be a reduct�on in crime. Chairperson Harris said he wouZd Zike a copy of this sent to School F.iD�atrict 114� and Mr. Ber�nan suggested including District 13, also. Mr. Langenfedd suggested the 5Sn Newspaper. Mrs. Shea said they had tried to get this in the newspaper� but they vouldn't print it. Mr. Langenfeld suggested that perhaps churches would be interested in this, and sa:i.d they should get it moving out of the minutes and into the eyes of the public. UP(SN A VOICE VOTE� all voting �e� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Gabel, that the report by James Hill, Public Safety Director, be sent to all school districts and the Sun Nexspaper Srith a cover letter from the Planning Coffinission. Upon a voice vote, all noti.ng aye, the motion carrfed unanimously. S. RECEIVE APPfiA?.S COPAII3SION MINUTES: NOYSPlBER 9 1976 t�TION by Langenfeld, seconded by (}abel, that the Planning Co�nission receive Planning Commisaion Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 20 the Appeals Coimnission minutes of November 9, 1976. Mrs. Gabel said she would like to comnent that they had a request for a sign variance by Perkins Cake and Steak that asked for a vaz iance £rom 80 square £eet to 119 square feet. She explained that when they got into this at the meeting it turned out the sign was only 81�.3 square feet, but had been deter- mined in its rectengular shape. Mr. Boardman said that the square footage on the actual application did s�ate 118 square feet� and the sign ordinance said a sign could only be 80 square feet. Mrs. Gabel asked if they should address shapes of signs in working on the sign ordinance, and Mr. Boardman said it should be 80 squsre feet regardless of shape. Mrs. Gabel said that Mrs. S6hnabel had asked her to remind all the members oY the November 22nd meeting irith the City Council, and to ask Mr. Boardman if he had come up xith some type of outline or agenda concerning the !t0' lots. Mr. Boardman said that would be ready. UPf}N A VOICE VOTE, all voting a�ye, the motion carried unanimously. 9. &ECBIVE COMMUNITY DEV&LOPA�NT CONAIISSION AIINUTFS: NOVII�SBSR 9, 1976 MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Ber�oan� that the Planning Commission receive the Cotmminity Developanent Commission minutes of November 9, 1976. T,hairperson Harris noted that the Sign Ordinance Project Committee xas coming along, and asked iY Mr. Schneider vould have this ready before he resigned. Mr. Bergman replied he xould not� end explained that Mr. Schneider rrould be chairing one more meeting in December and vould hand in his resignation at the next Co�unity Development meeting. He stated that the Sign Committee would have been short a Chairman, and it did make Cownunity Develo�nent short a member. He explained that at the last Sign Couunittee meeting, the subject of replacement had come up and it xorked out very xell. He stated they had something betWeen en elected replacement and volunteer� and ezplained that Mrs. Gabel had agreed to chair the Sign Co�nittee through the completion of the project. He added that while they xere short a member of the Project Co�nittee, he thought it would be fi.nished up with the present membership and Mrs. Gabel chairing. He stated he thought they vere doing a good job, and co�maented that there was a lot of detail. Mr. Bergman mentioned that they had talked tovard a March completion goal of the Project Committee� and Mrs. Gabel said she hoped that could be achieved. Mr. Bergman asked if he should vrite a letter concerning a replacement on the Community Development Coimnission� and Mr. Boardman said he vas sure that Mr. Schneider 4ronld submit a letter to the City Council. Mr. Bergman noted that it seemed to take a long time to get s replacement, Planning Comnission Meeting - November 17� 1976 Page 21 Mr. Boardman said that in the Community Development minutes there rras a motion to be acted on and sent to the City Council, and it had to do xith the Bikeway/ Walkway Plan. Atr. Bergman explained they in Coammnity Developnent had agreed that the ball xas with the City rather than the Bikew�/Walkx�y Coimaittee, end from that point Coimminity Denelopment indicated concern for lack of action. Mr. Langen£eld commented that he concurred with the motion reflected in the minutes. Mr. Boardman stated he thought all they xould need xas a concurring motion, and said that actuslly the motion xould go to the City Council vhether the Planning Commission acted on it or not. Chairperson Harris commented on the item of receiving the Articles of Incorporation o£ the Fridley Youth Center on page 6 of the C.D.C. minutes, and said the last paragraph didn�t make sense. Hr. Bergman said that paragraph 5 on page 6 should be revised to read "The Commission members expressed concern over the possibility that the F�idley Youth Center xould not be able to use the pump house at I,ocke Park. It had been their clear understanding that the pump house had been assigned for that purpose." Mr. Her�nan said that C.D.C. felt concern that the FYidley Youth Center might be dropped. Chairperson Harris said he rould like to make a report on the Fridley Youth Center to the Commission. He explained that the Planning Co�aission's meetings had been lengthy and arduous, and he hadn't had a chance to fill the Co�nission in on �+hat the Project uommittee had accompltshed as far as the FI'idley Youth Center. He stated they had drawn up the Articles of Ingorporation as guidelines and wanted them sutanitted to the City Attorney to get everything in the right context. He explained they felt they had to get the ball moving and that was xhy the push was on to get iL into the City Council's hands so they could direct the City Attorney to carry on this function. Mr. Harris explained th�felt at this time that the pump house facility was not going to be adequate� and they tried to deal `rith District 14 for the use of the HaSyes School ennex and so £ar had run into a blank wall. He said he had gone to the School Board members informally and tried to set up lines of commun�cation betraeen the City Council and the School Board, not only in the area of the FYidley Youth Center but in other areas as well. Chairperson Harris stated that a meeting had been set up and there vas an agenda and they were going to start discussing some items that related to both schools and the City, but he hadn't heard the eeaults o£ it. He hoped there had been some lines of co�mminication established and m�ybe they could start vorking together. Ae commented that he just could not believe at the time he made the approach tk}at the City and the Schools weren't cooperating better than they had been. Mr. Harris said the School Disbrict had the facilities, and as the Qity grex they needed £acilities. Mr. Boardman said that the thing that concerned him xas that it was the tax p�yer§ money, and the tan p�yer's conldn't use it. Chairperson Harris said it was his feeling that if the pump house was used, there xould be 50 kids stending outside. Mr. Bergman reminded the Con¢nission that C.D.C.'s reconanendation was specifical�y City Hall space, reco�izing they had to look at priorities. He stated he still felt that Was a good recotmnendation in his opinion. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. Planning Co�ission Meeting - November 17, 1976 Page 22, Mr. Bergman asked the Commission to notice on pages 2, 3 and !� that Coimrtunity Developaaent reviewed the East River Road proposal and did make an attempt to do this in what they felt was a proper fashion. He explained they had looked at the goals and objectives; and Mr. Boardman had come in with the Metropolitan Council traffic projection which xas a great disappointment because it didn't treat East River Road at all� although an earlier City o£ Minneapolis trans- portation plan did. He pointed out that they did end up making the mot3on vhich appeared on page 4. Mr. LangenPeld said he xould prefer not to go into the East River Road item and asked the Commission members to wai.t and refer to the upcoming minutes from the last Fridley Fhvironmental Quality Cononission meeting. He explained they would shed a little light on the entire subject. Mrs. Gabel noted that Mr. Paripovich had tests run on the noise level� and they far exceeded standards. Mr. LangenPeld said that rtould be in the minutes at the next meeting. MOTION by Her�nan, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission concur Srith and pass on to City Council concern for the lack of timely prngress in the completion of bikeway/xalkwqy i.mplementation plans as described in the Comrmmity Development motion as follows: "MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by William Forster� that the Co�m�nity Development Coimnission goes on record as being disappointed with the progress being made toxards implementation of the Bikevay/Walk�ray Plan� specifically with regard to the developpnent and enforcemeat of ordinances regulating use of bikes and the bikewqy system, with regard to the overall effectiveness of the current educational program being conducted, and xith regard to the level of signing currently in existence; and that the Coimnission recommends to City Council that all practical efforts be taken to expedite implementation of this plan.° Upon a voice voteJ all voting �e, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Langenfeld informed the Coumiission that the Metropolitan Council was having local Government Planning Workshops on the Land Planning Act. Mr. Boardman added that they xere having them at several locations, and the one he xas going to was at the Coon Rapids City Hall on December 9th. Mr. Langenfeld said the workshop xould cover the hows end srhens oP the Act and rhat it means to local planning. He said 3t xould provi.de information on the status of Yunding to assist local plaaning� and provide a directory for connmmities seeking proY- essional planning assistance. Chairperson Aarris asked how much this would affect them� and Mr. Boardman said it would af£ect them. He said they srould be reviefrS.ng the present comprehensive plan and making reconmendatiois on that. Mr. Boardman'brought to the Commission�s attention the report on Modest Cost Housing from the Private Housing Advisory Coirunittee of Metropolitan Council that xas handed out at the meeting. He said he xould like the members to review it, and although the Public Hear3ng ras scheduled for the next �ight the records xere held open Por thirty days so i£ someone wanted to roake a co�mnent on it they could so so at the neat meeting. Ae stated that Planning 'Cob¢ni.ssian Meeting - November 17 � 1476 Page 23 as far as Staff was concerned� he thought they followed the recommendations by the MM[l. He explained that the MMA xas suppoaed to be a representative body of inetropolitan communities, and hopefully they were looking out Yor our interests on this. Mr. Boardman ex�lained that�h�ir position was that there �rere some points in this that could be handled in the communities� hovever� they xere putting the burden oi the cost of housing mainly on the general municipalities. He said they were leaving out one major point� and that xas the financial institutions. Mr. Boardman said financial institutions hadn't even been conaidered in this modest cost housing. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the report on Modest Cost Housing. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris said he had one other item, and that vas to remind the Commission of the November 22nd discussion on ly0' lots xith the Ciiy Council. He informed the members it would be Monday evening at 7;30 in the Conmmnity Room, and urged them all to attend. MUTI�N by Shea� seconded by Bergman, that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Co�nission iaeeting o£ November 17, 1976 adjourned at 12:20 P.M. Respectfully suhmitted, �.i i._ �. �.i/lil�/� . - � �, - . . - - ,+--� FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMZSSION MEETZtiG NOVEMBER 9, 1976 MEMBfftS PRFSENT: Barna, Gabel, Plemel Mi2iBERS ABSENT: Schnabel� Kemper OTHERS PRFSENT: Ron Holden, Building Inspection Officer The meeting was called to order by Acting Chai:•person Gabel at 7;31� P.M. APPROVE APPEAI,S COMMISSION 14INUTES: OCTOBER 26, 1976 MOTION by Barna� seconded by Plemel, to approve the minutes of the October 26� 1976 Appeals Commission meeting as written. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. l. REQJEST FOH A VAP.IANCE 0�' SECTZON 20�.0$3} 1�{b�l)� FRIDLF,Y CITY CCDE, TD RE➢i3CE THE f4I�IMLR1 SIDE LOT REQUIRE:�IENT NECESSARY ON Ti3E LIVING SSDE C�' A DWELLING FRO�i 10 FEET TO S FEET, TO AL7AW THE CONSTRUCTICTd OF k Dl+IELLIPi^v AND GARAGE ON LOT 6J BLOCK 1, ZRNDF�F?'S 1ST ADDITIC�N� THE SAt-�7: BEING 6�6u 2�CKINLEY STREBT N.B., FRIDLEY� MINNESOTA. (Request by Dailey Homes, Inc., 8510 Central Avenue N,E.� Spring Lake Park, Minnesota 55I�32)• MOTION by Plemel� seconded by Barna� to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. A➢MINISTftATIVE STAFF REP(}RT A. PUBLIC PU:iPOS� SERVED BY REQUIREMENT; Ssction 205.053, L�, (b-1} requiring a 10 foot side yard setback to living area in an R-1 aone. Public purpose served bv Lhis section of the code is to maintain a minimum of 20 feet between living areas in adjoining structures and 25 feet between garages and Iiving areas in adjoining structures} to reduce exposure to .:c,i£lagration of fire beLween structures. Also to allow for sesthetically pleasing open areas arovnd residential structures. B. STAT"r� HARDSHIP: Living area behind garage was overlooked in previ,ous variance request. �--��■� � Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - November 9, 1976 Page�2 yr„ C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEFI: The house as proposed is located such that adequate clearances from adjacent Iiving areas in excess of 20 feet can be maintained when the next lot is developed, Staf£ has no objection to this variance request, but would like to remind the petitioner to allow for additional clearance to house to the South when making his plans. No one was present to represent Daily iiomes� Inc. Mr. Plemel stated that although no one was presettt to explain this request, it had been discussed thoroughly at the last Appeals Commission meeting and no one had any problem with it. Chairperson Gabel said that unless anyone had an objection to this request, perhaps it could be acted on. MOTION by Plemel� seconded by Barna, to close the Publio Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTTON by P1emel� seconded by Barna, that the Appeals Commission grant the variance from 10 feet to 5 feet. Mr. Holden suggested that a stipulation be added that there be no openzngs an that side of the structure. Mrs. Gabel asked iS that wasn't part of the fire code, and Mr. Holden replied it wasn't at that distance, He e�cplained it wasn't planned for any openings, so there shouldn}t be any problem. Mr. P1emel AMENDED the MOTION to include the stipulation that there be no openings on the Sauth side of the dwelling. Agreeable to Mr. Barna. UPON A VOICE VOTE, a21 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.053, �,A, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO REDUCE THE �2EQUIRED FRONT YARB SETBACK FROM 35 FEET TD 20 FEET, TO ALL04T THE CONSTRUCTION QF A DidELLING AND GARAG�� IACATEI3 ON LOT b� BLOCK S� MELODY MANOR ADDITION, THE SAhfE BEING 7388 SYI�SPHONY STREET N.E., FRI➢LEY, MINNESQTA. (Request by Norman and Patsy Snyder, 7733 Jackson Street N.E., Fridley, Minn. �51t32). � MOTION by Barna, seconded by Plemel� to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. ADMINISTRATItiE STAFF REPORT A. PUBI,IC PISRPD5E SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.053, �t, A, requiring a front yard setback of 35 feet. Public purpose served is to allow for off-street parking without encroaohing on public right of way. Also for aesthetic consideration to reduce the "building line of sight" encroachment into the neighbor's front yard, -- �,,,,_�. Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - Nonember 9, 1976 Page 3 B. STATID HARDSHIP: Want a variance to save a beautiful huge oak tree. Petitioner�s home will be between two homes that face 90O1s from theirs. One home faces south� the other will face north when it is built. Petitioner�s home will £ace east. By building their house forward, it would bring it out so that it would line up more evenly with the sides of the other homes. Petitioners would prefer a 15 foot variance, but a minimum of 10 feet is needed to save the oak tree. C. ADMINIST�ATIVE STAFF REVIEW (AMENDID): The petitioner states that the house to the North will face the North� but the front yard of that lot tronts on Symphony. I£ the lot to the North is developed with a 20 £t. front yard setback of£ Symphony� a variance to £ront yard setback would be required. Although the City of Fridley does not enforce private covenants, there is a restrictive covenant in the area limiting front yard setbacks to 30 ft. minimum, and Staff feels the petitioner should be aNare o£-this. Staff has no objection to this variance request, but would like to encourage the lesser variance and setback to the 25 ft, line. Mr, and Mrs, Snyder were present and showed a survey of the properiy and ° �.roposed home to the Conmission, and explained how they wanted to move the house forward to save an oak tree. Airs. Snyder stated this would also bring the houses in a nice� even line, and the neighbors she ha3 discussed this with had agreed. She said that the tree was a large white oakt and quite beauLiful. • NIr, Holden said that the lot to the North was zoned R-2, and this property was zoned R-1. He pointed out where the oak tree was on the survey and explained the petitoners were asking for a variance o£ 20� or 25' to save it. Mr. Barna asked if technically the Snyder�s home would be the only one facing the street between the cul-de-sac and 74th Avenue� and A:rs. Snyder said that was correct.. He noted that they would be sharing their front yard with two side yards. Mr, Holden showed the house design to the Com�nission and explained the large garage would be part garage, and eventually a family room would be added to part of it. Chairperson Gabel said that the house seemed compatible with the area, and asked who held the covenant. Mr. Holden explained it was on the abstract� and Mrs. Snyder explained that it would expire in three years. Chairperson Gabel asked if the setback was 25' if they would be approximately 10� from the oak tree� and Mr. Holden replied that was correct according to the survey. Mr. Barna asked if it was sand soil� and Mr. Holden answered it was a composite. Mr. Barna advised the Snyders to be present when the bull- dozer started digging to see that it didn�t go past the drip line o£ the tree� and also suggested they would probably have to do some trimming. Fridley Appeals Commission Meeting - November 9, 1976 page �� YK Mr. Plemel commented that he would feel better if the house to the North was built� and Mr. Barna noted that the widest part of that lot would be Sacing 7�th. Mr. Barna said he would prefer to grant the 20' variance and have the house closer to the street than endanger the life of the oak tree. MOTION by Barna� seconded by Plemel� to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� a11 voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Plemel stated that the Snyder's had said they thought they could get by with the lesser variance� and i£ they thought they could do that, he thought that was what should be granted. 17rs. Gabel said she agreed with that� and with some watching over the construction people the tree could still be saved, She commented that it would still line up with the house to the South and blend in well with the neighborhood. Mr. Barna said he would go along with that, as long as they were care£ul with the tree. MOTION by Barna, seconded by Plemel, to grant the request for variance from 35 feet to 25 feet, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 215.OS3� 2� FRIDLEY CITY CODE� TO RAISE THE 80 SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM SI2E OF A FREE STANDING SIGN IN C-1 'LONING (LOCAL BUSINESS AREAS) TO 119 SQUARE Fn�T� THE DIhfENSIONS OF A STNdDAi7D SIGN FOR THEIR BUSINFSS� ON LOTS !� AND 5, BI.00K 2, COhR4�.CE PAHIC ADDITION� THE 5AME BEING 7520 UNIVERSITY AVENUE NORTHEAST� FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (Request by Perkins Cake and Steak, 4917 Fden Avenue� Edina� Afinn. 5$42h). MOTION by Plemel, seconded by Barna, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. ADMINISTRAiIVE STAFF REPCRT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SF�?VED BY REQUIRII�IENT: Section 214.053� 2� limiting size of free standing signs to 80 square £eet in C-1 zoned areas (local business areas). Public purpose served by this section of the code is to limit visual pollution from £ree standing signs in business areas. B. STATID HARDSHIP: National manuYacturer makes one standard (oval) Perkins sign. C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: In as much as this sign is standard in design and oval, its overall square footage is less objectionable than a square sign o£ equal square footage, Staf£ has no objection to this variance request. �,.�.,�. Fridley Appeals Gommission Meeting - November 9� 1976 Page 5 Mr. David Kasell and Mr. Mark R. MathiSOn were present representing Perkins Cake and Steak. Mr. Rasell showed the Board a blue print of what the sign looked like� and photographs of the sign in other locations, He stated that although Fridley had a limit of 80 square feet ma�cimum, £rom an oval standpoint that figured out to be 79.3 square feet, He stated he was not looking for excuses or sympathy� but this was the standard-size sign they used all over. Mr. Kasell explained that a difYerenL size sign uould have to be custom made� which would be very time consuming and costly. Mr. Kasell asked why the City put a maxim�m on the square footage of a sign in the first place� and Mr. Holden in£ormed him it was to control visual pollution. Mr. Hasell stated that this was not polluting� and explained they had the same sign up in Mankato� Coon Rapids, St. Louis Park ar.d Edina. Mr. Mathison stated the sign had been redesigned from a rectangle to an oval to talce up less space, and because they felt the new colors of butterscotch and brown would be more pleasing to the environment. Chairperson Gabel noted there was a lot of landscaping on the property, and Mr. Kasell said there would also be an underground sprinicler systera, h;r. Plemel asked if this was a franchise, and i4r. Kasell replied that they were all company owned and operated. He added thai there uould be no other signs on the building or property, Chairperson Gabel commented on the dzYference in square £ootage bet.reen a rectangle sign and an oval sign, She said it xas an interesting siivation and she would have to bring it to the attention of the Sign Committee. Mr. Kasell stated that the sign would be a total of 83.3 square feet� ra�her th2n the rectangular shape o£ 119 square £eet. Mrs. Gabe1 asked when the restaurant would be open, and Mr. idathison replied in about 60 days, possibly the end of January. MOTION by Plemel, seconded by Barna, to close the Public Iiearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Gabel stated that when she Pirst saw this request she was appalled at the idea of a 119 square foot sign going up, but at this point after looking at the sign and the photographs of �:hat the business would look like she thought it would be a good addition to the cor.imiu�ity and didn't have any objections to the sign. D9r. Plemel stated he had no objection, and Mr, Barna commented that considering the acival square footage was smaller xith the oval shape than the °square" square footage, he had no objection, MOTION by Plemel� seconded by Barna� to recommend to Council through the Planning Corrunission the approval o£ the request for variance� noting that the actual square footage for the oval sign would be 83.3 square feet. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion passed unanimously. Chairperson Gabel said that there was one more item she would like to discuss, and read to the Board a paragraph from the minutes of the City Council meeting �'ridley Appeals Commission Meeting - November 9, 1976 Page 6��+-: .-.- of October 18, 1976 when the swimming pool siiaation had been discussed: "Covncilman Hamernik pointed out that the Appeals Commission did have a similar type requesi which they did pass without Council input, and there have been some problems with that", Chairperson Gabel explained they were referring to 687� Washington Street N.E., a matter where the front yard and side yard were one and the same, 5he stated that in this case the side yard setback was from ]7.5 to 1lt.5, and the front yard setback was from 3S f'eet to 33 feet; only 3' in each direction. Mrs. Gabel pointed out the pool request was from 35' to 4.5`, and t�� to 6� on the £ence. She stated she hadn't been able to find the source of the complaint and was unable to track it down, hirs. Gabel said that t•2rs, Schnabel had requested that the members of the Appeals Commission drive by the address before the November 22nd meeting, when the situation wou]d be discussed. She added that they both £elt these two requests couldn't be compared at all; one was for a family room for people who needed more space, and the other was Sor a swimming pool� which is a luxury. Mrs. Gabel stated that she had drivsn by 6875 Washington Street and could not see where there conld be any problem. She said there was no visual encroach- ment or sight problem� and everything tied together beautifully. She said that personally she didn't see where the two could be compared, with the exception they were botri front yard/side yard variances. Mrs. Gabel added that the petitioner fram Washington Street also had signatures from 22 people to waive an extra Public Hearing notice. She said she would still try to track down where the complaintcame from. Mr. Plemel commented that the two requests seemed quite di£ferent. ADJOURNMENT: MOTTON by $arna, seconded by Plemel, to adjourn the Appeals Commission meeting of November 9, 1976 at 8:35 P.P4, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, �/lann.✓� (Z%.iQ.n^nir,a�� Sherri 0'Donnell Recording Secretary .�.� � COMMUNITY DEIIELOPMENT COI�'AffSSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT; Herman Bergman, Dennis Schneider, William Forster HEMBERS ABSENT: LeRoy Oquist, Hubert Lindblad OTHERS PRESENT: Jerry Boardman, City Planner CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Bergman called the meeting to order at 7:43 p.m. APPROVE OCTOBER 12, 1976, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COhAffSSION MEETING MINUTES: Mr. Schneider indicated that on page 3, last paragraph, the sentence should read, "Mr. Schneider stated that he has had a request that Matterhorn be changed from a bike route to a bike lane and be moved up to Phase 2." MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by William Forster, to aporove the Octoher 12, 1976, Comnunity Development Couunission meeting minutes as corrected. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE OCTOBER 25, 1976 SIGN ORDINANCE PRQTECT COMMITTEE MINUTES: MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by William Forster, to receive the Sign Ordinance Project Coam�ittee meeting minutes of October 25, 1976, with the correction that lioward Mossman's name be added to the list of "Members Present". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Schneider stated that the Sign Ordinance Praject Committee has gotten through their entire set of goals and objectives and they are now trying to make recommenda- tions towards an ordinance. The Eirst step in that process, of course, is to come up with the definitions of the terms they believe they will be using. The meeting on October 25, 1976, was devoted to a discussion of the comparisons of Fridley's zoning classiticatioas to Brooklyn Park's and Burnsville's. 9fter that discussion, they started going through, strictly alphabetically, the definitions from the various ordinances and model codes. These definitions are preliminary at this point. ,. .i s �, � COMMONITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9 1976 PAGE 2 Mr. Schneider stated that the Sign Ordinance Project Co�nittee's next meating is set for November 15, 1976. The plan for that meeting is to attempt to get through the rest of the alphabet. They anticipate completing the definitional phases at that meeting, and, optimistically, hope to get into the specific definitions at that meeting, or, realistically, by December. Mr. Bergman stated that due to Mr. Schneider's successful campaign for Council seat, he will be resigning from the Community Development Co�ission and also from the Sign Ordinance Project Comnittee. He suggested that Mr. Schneider should put the suhject of his replacement as chairperson of the Sign Ordinance Project Committee on their next meeting"s agenda for the Co�ittee's discussion. He asked if Mr. Schneider would like him to attend that meeting. Mr. Schneider stated that he would. He also stated he would submit his written resignation to the Commission at the next meeting to be effective December 31, 1976. FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COt•IIdISSION'S MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 21, 1976: �i. Recommendation of Designation by the Fridley Parks & Recreatio. for the East River Road as a Parkway and Establish Controls by as Che Fridley Parkway System for its Social and Environmental g, Reco�+endation on the Sast River Road Prolect Committee Report Mr. Bergman stated that he felt these two items should again be reversed and Item g should be discussed first, defining what kind of a plan it ought to be prior to discussing whether it should be a parkway or not. Mr. Boardman stated Chat the East River Road Project Committee has put in a Lot of work, but he feels in general agreement with the Coaunission that he doesn't see any way that East River Road can be dropped from four lanes to two lanes, especially the area south of Mississippi StreeC. Mr. Schneider stated that he does feel that in any traffic plan, they should attempt to minimize diversions of traffic to that road. Mr. Bergman referred to key items that were discussed at the last Cou�ission meeting. There was the question o£ speed limit as to whether it ought to be 30 m.p.h., or whatever the County would set (which is more like 40-45 m.p.h.). The Commission had some feeling on Chat. There is the consideration of funding and that was touched on. The Co�ission was in somewhat agreement that reducing East River Road from four lanes to two lanes in that area would be impractical. The Commission then tabled consideration on Che matter until the Commission could review the latest Planning Coamiission minutes, the Metropolitan Council's Transit Plan, the County P1an, the Community Development Goals and Objectives, in addition to the Task Force's Pian. ,.WV-�` COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COAAIISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9, 1976 PAGE 3' ^ The Metropolitan Transit Plan was revieved by the Cou�ission and nothing of any substantial relationship to East River Road was found. The Commission then reviewed the Coumiunity Development Goals and Objectives. Mr. Bergman stated that Goal #5, Objectives 1- 4,had sane reference to the East River Rosd Project. GOAL #5 PROVIDE AND Mt1INTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF ACCESSIBILITY TO ALLOW FOR SAFE M(1VEMENT OF PEOPLE, GOODS AND SERVICES. _ OBJECTIVES 1. Encourage increased pedestrian and bicycle traffic within the City. 2. Promote increased transit facilities to provide better and more convenient transportation opportunities to the public, 3. Promote a high degree of safety in all levels of transportation. 4. Promote improved neighborhood access within the co�unity. Mr.�"Schneider also felt Goal �3, Objective 1, was pertinent to the East River Road Project. GOAi, �3 DEVII.OP, MAINTAIN, ANII SNFORCB A PLANNED, WELL BALANCED LAND USE SYSTEM. �]�Tx�T� i� 1. Discourage the encroachment of commercial and industrial developmenC into residential areas, but allowing for develop- ment of hierarchy of services to the residential neighborhoods. Mr. Schneider stated that maybe what the Co�mission's motion with regard to the East River Road project should be is a two-phase motion--a "short term" recommendation (next ten years), and a"long term" recommendation (ten years and beyond). Mr. Boardman stated he agreed with Mr. Schneider--that this whole thing should be handled in two stages. The first stage is that portion of East River Road south of Mississippi Street, and the second stage is that portion north of Mississippi Street. He thinks south of Mississippi Street is the short range determination as to how to handle the present traffic loads within that area, accepting the fact that Mississippi is either going to channel off or increase traffic flow with the underpass on to East River Road. With the signalization improvement on Mississippi and University which is coming up next year, it will " -. y COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9 1976 PAGE 4 make it a lixtle easier to get from Mississippi on to University. It is going to do some things on East kiver Road South. The portion north of Mississippi needs additional study and should be a long range determination. The Commission reviewed the ^Comprehensive Development Plan", Transportation section, as adopted July 2, 1973. Mr. Boardman stated he could see the point of the East River Road Projeet Committee somewhat; however, he doesn't think by stopping development south of Mississippi for safety reasons will handle the situation north of Mississippi. The only thing that would handle that would be by lowering speed limits in that area and strictly enforcing those speed limits. Another thing would he to designate specitic traffic ingress roads along there and either mark them with a four-way stop or mark them with signalization. He doesn't know how the County would react to this. Ae said he doesn't feel that East River Road south of Mississippi is a residential street. Mr. Bergman suggested that the best application for a 30 m.p.h, speed controt would be north of Mississippi, rather than south of Mississippi. Mr. Schneider stated he had to agree with Mr. Boardman that there is no way at this point in time that Easi River Road should go from four lane to two lane. He �oes think they should do what they can to discourage more traffic flowing on to Sast River Road and seriously consider lowering the speed limit, and doing whatever else is possible (at least north of Mississippi) to try shielding the residential area fran the road. He said he realizes there is a land problem. Mr. Bergman stated that another consideration on this is, with the advent of the Northtown Corridor which will naturally tend to reduce the traffic on East River Road, then something of a more residential character would be more practical. MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by William Forster, that the Community Development Couanission reco�ends Eor the near term future (next ten years) that East River Road remain a four-lane highway, but that the additional traffic channelization, left-turn lanes, increased signalization, and reduced speed limit be implemented. The purpose for this recommendation for four lanes is that the Co¢anission feels there are not adequate additional roads in Fridley at this time to take the additional traffic flow as a result of a reduction to two lanes; but in order to provide for safety considerations, signalization and channelization be implemented in order to resolve citizen concerns with which the Co�ission• is basically in agreement, Further, that the proposed speed reduction would further help resolve the concerns of the citizens. Se it further recommended that a study as to the feasibility of providing visual and acoustical buffering north of Mississippi Street on East River Road be undertaken by City Staff in their "Comprehensive Transportation Plan^. �..y� . COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COPAIISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9 1976 YAGE 5 Mr. Schneider:stated that it should be noted that from what they have seen, the MetYOpolitan Council plans do tend to bear out the East River Road Project Commfttee's contention. He thinks the real question is the time frame involved, and this whole thing should be reviewed again at some later point in Cime. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE, THE MOTION CARRIED UNANZMOUSLY. The Co�ission agreed that there was no need to specifically cover Item 1 at this time. Mr. Schneider stated that if, in the next ten years, the Northtown Corridor goes in, that it would be reasonable to pursue it at that point in time. DISCUSSION QN STATUS OF THE BIKEWAY/WALKWAY PRWECT COPAflTTEE: Mr. Boardman stated he had not had a chance to talk to Councilman Fitzpatrick about anyone to fill the vacancy of the one member of the Bikeway/Walkviay Project Committee. He gave Mr. Bergman the names of Ms. Helen Treuenfels and Ms. Donna Kos, who had helped on the BikewayfWalkway survey and who lived in the right area. MY. Schneider stated he had a concern about the Bikeway/Walkway project. He has talked to a great number of people in the last couple o£ months, and the people feel the City has taken more or less a halfway approach on the Bikecaay/SJalkway sysfem. Mr. Schneider stated we started to implament the thing by striping the xoads, but we haven't followed the recoonnendations with regard ro the amount of signing. The Council hasn't followed up on the plan with regard to ordinance changes that were requested. He stated we may have created a halfcaay situation where our main objective, safety, is being forwarded, and which is more dangerous than no sysCem. Mr. Boardman stated tha[ Staff did have an ordinance all set up and ready to go and then some new state regulations came. Since that time it has been in Jim Hill's area, the Police Department. What is going Co happen there, he said he is noC sure. Mr. Schneider stated one of the problems is the bike educational program for the kids and the adults. Mr. Boardman stated that they are doing an education program through the Police Department within the schools. At least through the schools, they are ab3e to reach khe kids, and they are trying to reach the adults through the City Newsletter. A lot of the education will have to take place after they get an ordinance. Mr, Schneider stated he felt that the things being brought up were related to getting Staff to implement what was approved as far as the plan. Mr. Boardman stated Staff is implementing as far as they can implement at this time. �.-�. ,.,,�: COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 4 1976 PAGE 6 � Mr. Schneider stated the four things he can see that need to be done are ordinance, enforcement, education, and signing. MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded hy William Forster, that the Community Development Co�ission goes on record as being disappointed with the progress being made towards implementatian of the Bikeway/Walkway Plan, specifically with regard to the development and enforcement of ordinances regulating use of bikes and the bikeway system,with regard to the overall effectiveness of the current educational program being conducted, and with regard to the level of signing currently in existence; and that the Commission recommends to City Council that all practical efforts be taken to expedite implementation of this plan. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE "ARTICLES OF INCQRPORATION OF FRIDLEY YOUTH CENTER": Mr, Bergman stated this was sent down from the Planning Commission for review and no action is necessaXy. MOTFON by William Forster, seconded by Dennis Schneider, to receive the "Articles of Incorporation of Fridley Youth Center". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Commission members expressed concertt over the possibility that the Fridley Youth Center would not be able to use the pump house at Locke Park as it was the Commission`s understanding that the pump hossse had been recammended by City Council for the Fridley Youth Center's use. DISCUSSION ON A RECaMMENDATION ON MAXIMUM SIZE OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS: Mr. Bergman stated he did not feel this subject could be discussed fully at this meeting until they had the Planning Commission minutes on this subject. MOTION by William Fors[er, seconded by Dennis Schneider, to table discussion on a recommendation on the maximum size of accessory buildings until the Gonmiission receives the Plaaning Commission's mittutes on this subject. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURIIN�NT: MOTION by William Forster, seconded by Dennis Schneider, to adjourn the meeting at 10:10 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, � < <-tLi Lyhffe Saba Recording Secretary � MEMO TO:. Department Heads ,� Following are the "ACTIONS PdEEDED". Please have your answers in the City t4anager'� office by k'ednesday Noon, November 24, 1976. Thank you. FRIDLEY C�TY COUNC�L r REGULAR f'�1EETING � PdOVEMgER 15, 1976 — 7:3U P. �. PLEDGE OF ALLEGTA(yCE; ROLL CALC: All Present APPROVAL OF MINUTES: PUBLIC HEARING MEETING, QCTOBER I$,�I91E Approved �EGULAR MEETING, �CTOBER 25, 1976 Approved RE6ULAR MEETIN6, �OVEMBER l, 1976 Fpproved :,L�PTIOiV OF AGENDA: Adopted with addition of Item 8 A="Consideration of Resolution Authoriziny Execution of Agreement �58415 khich Provides for the Installatioi? of Railroad Grade Crossin9 Signals at 77th Way N. E. OPEN FORUM, VISITORS; CCONSIDERATION OF ITEMS NOT ON AGENDA — 15 MINUTES) Mr. Bob 6ishop> 5417 Altura Park, regarding redwood fence between him and park. Council approved fence PARKS & REC ACTION NEEDED: Work with Mr. 6ishop and make arrangements to have the fence instal� led as approved. Provide snow fencing temporarily and get the fence installed un his property next spring. Nave an agreement signed by the property owner which includes: (l) The fence will be on his property; (2) He arill maintain the fence (3) He will inform any future buyers of his property of this agreement with the City; (4) Once the fence is installed, the City will liave no further obligation in reyard to fencing between these two properties. L y REGUTAR MEETING, NOVEP�B.ER 15, 19J6 NEW BUSTNESS: PAGE 2 CONSIDERATIQN OF FTRST READI:NG QF AN ORDTNANCE ON REZONIN6 REQUEST, ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT GOA #76-04, GORDON ASPENSON, TO REZONE FROM R-� TO R-3; 6500 ZND STREET{V�E, � . � � � � � , � � . , , , � � . � � � � � � . 1 - 1 A Ordinance approved on first reading ENGINEERING ACTION NEEDED: Put ordinance back on next regular meeting agenda for second reading. CONSIDERATION OF FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE ON REZONING REQUEST, ZONIR6 ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ZOA �76-03, BY EVERT SWANSON, TO REZONE FROM C-1 AND R-1 TO R-3; INTERSECTION OF 73RD AVENUE AND CENTRAL AVENUE, ����,� 2_ 2� Ordinance approved on first reading ENGINEERING ACIION IJEE6ED: Put ordinance back for second reading on future Council Meeting rrren appropriate agreement has been executed by the property o�aner and when all other considerations regardin9 the finalization of this action are ready to be brought back to the Council for action. RECEIVING THE �'�INUTES OF THE PLANYING COh1MiSSIDN P�EETING oF NOVEMBER 3, 1976 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 - 3 �1A l, ENGINEERING REAL ESTATE 1� ADDITION, P,�, 5�%6�11 .............. 3- 3c Pj,tiNNING COMM RECOh1MEIVDATIO�; APPROVE & 3N - 30 COUNCIL ACTION REQUIRED: SET HEARING FOR DECEMBER 13, 197G Public Hearing set for December 13, 1976 ACTION NEEDED: Make necessary arrangements for public hearing b r REGULAR MEETING, NOVE«BER 15, 1976 PAG� 3 NEI�f BUSINESS (COi�TINUED) �PLANNING COMMISSION P'�TNUTES CONTINUED) 2, T, SKIBA, L.S, #76-1Q.,. <<. .. ... ..... 3C - 3E .. ........ .... _ _... . . __ .. _ &3P-34 PLANNTNG COMM� RECO�IM�NI,�AI�f1�; APPROVE CnuNrri ACTTON REQUIR�; �ONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION Lot Split was approved ENGINEERING ACTION NEEDED: Inform Mr. Skiba of Council approval of request �� RPPEALS �0��1MISSION I'�INUTES OF OCTOBER ZG, ly%6 ••• 3R - 3 AA a. VID PROPERTIES, �13�0 h�AIN STREET U�E� •••••••. 3X - 3Y APPEALS COMM RECOMMENDATION; APPROVE �OUNCIf� ACTION REQUIRED: CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION Council approved with stipulation that they work with the City staff on the parking problem ENGINEERING ACTION NEEDED: Inforrn tlID Properties of the Council approval, and �aork , with them on the parking problem CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLU7IflN ORDERING IMPROVEMENT AfVD FINAL PLANS AND SPECIFICATiDNS AND ESTIMATES OF COSTS THEREOF; STREET It�1PROVEMENT PROJECT ST, 1977-1 aNn ST, 1977�2 (MSAS� , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , 4 - 4 H Resolution No. 111-1976 adopted with two deletions: 66th Avenue and Delltaood Drive ENGINEERING ACTION NEEDED: Proceed as authorized with two deletions. Work out details of Ironton Street and Ashton Avenue plans with the affected property owners. REGULAR MEETItiG, NQyEMBER 15; 1976 NEW BUSINESS CCONTINUED) CONSIDERATION OF A�ESOLUTION REVOKING AND REDESIGNATING i�UNICIPAL STATE AIil $TREET #332-010 (SEE PLANNING �OMMISSION ���INUTES, PAGES 3K - 3U� . � � � , � � . . . . � Resolution No. 113-1976 ENGINEERIN6 ACTIOtJ NEEDED: Proceed as authorized PAGE 4 5-5B CONSIDERATIOIJ OF A RESOLUTIOt� REQUESTING THE ANOKA COUNTY �C�MMISSIONERS IN COOPFRA.TION W1TH THE STATE HIGHN'AY COMMISSION TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT ON EAST RIVER ROAD FROM I�694 NoRTH TO THE NOP.THERN CITY LIMITS FROM 40 i�PH ro 30 NPH , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , 6 Resolution �o. 114-1976 approved with amendinents four votes to one ENGINEERIN6 ACTION NEEDED: Forward request to Anoka County FINANCE CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTIOi� AUTt;ORIZING AND DIRECTING THE SPLITTING OF SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS ON LOT 3, B�och l, FROIDtS ADDITTON� . , , , � . . , , , , . . � � , , . � � , Resolution No. 115-1976 , ACTION NEEDED: Proceed as authorized 7-7A � I REGULAR MEETING, NOVEf�BER 15, 1976 NEW BUSIiVESS (COh�TINUED) PAGE 5 CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION CANCELLING SPECIAL ASSESSMENT PAYMENTS DUE IN 1974, 1975, AND 1976 oN LoTS 40, 45, 46, 5� AND Sl, AUDITOR`S $UB� �9Z. � . . � . . . . . � . � � � � � �� � g A Resolution No. 116-1976 FINANCE ACTION NEEDED: Proceed as authorized CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AGREEt•tENT N0. 58415 WHICIi PROVIDES fOR THE INSTALLATION OF RAILROAD GRADE CROSSING SIGNALS AT 77TH 41AY fV.E.: Resolution No. 117-1976 ENGINEERING ACTIO�d NEEDED: Proceed with execution of agreement as approved CONSIDERATION OF CONTINUING WITH STREET IMPROVEMEIJ7 PROJECT ST. 1975-3 (EasT RIVER RoaD}, , , , , , , , , , , , ,9 - 9 G Continuation approved E�GINEERING ACTION fVEEDED: Continue with Street Project 5T. 1975°3 and advise Anoka County Hi9hway Department by a letter to proceed with the fundiny of the project under FAU along with emphasising certain concerns like noise environment that wer•e brought out at the Council Meeting. RECEIVING nET1TI0N ��0. 22-1976 IN FAVOR OF �HANNEL.ROAD STREET IMRPOVEMENT. � � � � . , � � � � � � � � � � . � � ,10 - 10 B Petition No. 22-1976 received, also petition regarding Dell�dood Drive and a petition of those people for and against improvement ofi the 1300 block of 66th Avenue N.E. ENGINEERING ACTION NEEDED: Record petitions for reference , _ REGULAR MEETING, NQVEMBER 15, 1976 NEW BUSINESS (COP�TIiVUED) PAGE 6 RECEIVTNG RESIGNATION FROM i�VANCY LAMBERT — HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION , � , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , 11 Resignation received CITY MANAGER ACTI4N NEEDED: Put item on next regular agenda for appointment to Human Resources Commission ESTIMATES, � � � � . . . . . . . � , � . . , , � � . � � , 12 - 12 B Approved FINANCE ACTION NEE�ED: Pay estimates as approved LICENSES, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , 13 - 13 � Approved FINANCE ACTIOt� NEEDED: Issue licenses as approved �LA IMS . � . . . . . � . � , � . � , � � . . � � � . � � � l� Pay claims as approved FINANCE ACTION NEEDED: Pay claims ADJOURN: 12:00 Midnight � .,�. � PARKS AND RECREATION COAAfISSION MEETING- OCTOBER 25, 19�6 n��� �ffiERS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, Dave Harris, Jan Seeger, Leonard Moore, Harvey Wagar Affi�ERS ABSENT: None OTHERS PRESENT: Charles Boudreag, Parks & Recreation Director Lynn Fischer, President�of H.A.F. Maurice Roberge, Aockey Coach, School District �14 841 Pandora Dr. N.E, Bob Bishop, 5417 Altura Road CALL TO ORAER: Chairperson Petexson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. APPROVAL OF SEPTII�ER 27, 1976, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES: MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore, to approve the September 27, 1976, Parks & Recreation Co�ission meeting minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all v oting aye,the motion carried unanimously. OPEN FORUM: VISITORS LYNN FISCHER, PRESIDENT OF H.A.E. � Mr. Fischer stated he would like to thank the Parks & Recreation Commission for their recommendation to the Council that Land be donated to the H.A.F, to build a storage building. He stated the storage building is in service now. He also thanked Mr. Boudreau and his staff for al1 the paper production he has done for the H.A.F. so far this year. Mr. Fischer stated he wouid like to te11 the Coa�ission a little about the hockey program, in the past and in the future, They are still in the midst of registra- tion for this year. Last year, Mr. Fischer stated,was a very successful year. Their traveling teams were very successful--three teams went to the state tournaments. Last year, they had a[otal of 5)6 boys who registered and played hockey in Fridley. -, � v_ PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEE'FING, OCTOBER 25, 1976 Page 2 Finances Mr. Fischer stated that money comes into the H.A.F. through the process of registra[ion. This money is used for general operating funds, equipment repairs, insurance (on equipment and hockey players). They buy such items as mouthpieces and hockey pucks. This year they bought just about 800 hockey pucks and 700 mouthpieces with_a cost to the H.A.F. of approximately $500. Also the registratiou money goes to buy indoor ice for the House League playoffs held in February. Tfie second form of money coming to the A.A.F, is through sponsors. They have two varieties of sponsors--House League and Broomball Sponsors and a TraveLing Team Sponsor. The House League and Broomball Sponsors' funds go to buy just jerseys for the boys and girls. The jerseys are theirs to keep. The Traveling Team Sponsor is a steeper endeavor, financially. Each boy on•the Traveling Team is outfitted with socks, breezers, and a jersey. The cost of putting a full team on the ice is around $1,200. Any money that is left over goes back into the�H.A.F. general fund and all the girls and boys who sign up for a full program receive benefits such as play-off ice, etc. $ouse League Program Mr. Fischer stated that the House League Program services the majority of the children. Last year they had a to�al of 29 teams. They are broken down into divisions: The Pony team (smallest boys 7-8 years old), 7 teams, with a total of 97 partfcipants; Aouse Square Team (boys 9-10 qears old), 108 participants; PeeWees (boys I1-I2 years old), 108 pariicipants; Bantams (13-14 years old), 90 participar. . This year they anticipate 116-120 Ponies. All these boys practice and play on City of Fridley rinks; each team practices twice a week, I'� hours a night, two games a week. The games are on weekends. They run into a conflict with any games on weekdays as 95i of the house league officials play high school hockey and also there are church conflicts, etc. With all the boys using the ice, it averages 103 hours of ice time the boys are using park facilities. The only time the House League gets to play inside is to have their House League championship series in February. These past two years, H.A.F. has purchased ice in December for the House League boys so they can go inside and get a Iittle earlier start and conditioning. This ice in December is no additional cost to the child. There is a total of 403 children participating in the House League program; this represents about two-thirds of all the boys who signed up for hockey last year. Mr. Fischer stated that if there was a large cutback at the city level, their hockey program would be in trouble. It would be disastrous. These children would have a hard time finding a place to play. If they did have to move them inside, the cost would probably triple. This year and in many years to come, he expects there is going to be a severe ice crunch especially with Northland Areaa closing down. �Z PARKS � RECREATION_COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1976 PaQe 3 Mr. Fischer quoted Mr. Bob Peterson from the May 24, 1976, Parks & Recreation Coumiission meeting minutes, page 9, paragraph 4: "Chairman Peterson said that there were people in the City of Fridley whose children really need the opportunity to participate in recreational programs, such as the pre-delinquent offender. He stated that the healthy outlet of recreation is very therapeutic, and this is the very person who would he driven out of the progtam when the fees are raised," Mr. Fischer stated that the A.A.F. does not turn their back on any children. If some children really can't afford to play, they play for free. Broomball Program Mr. Fischer stated that H.A.F, is responsible for hoys' hockey and girls' broamball. Las[ year there were 11 broomball teams that were broken down into two divisions: the Junior Division (girls 10-13 years old) and the Senior Division (girls 14-16 years old). This is done as a safety factor. All these girls play and practice outside. They do the same as the boys--they practice twice a week, 1� hours each night, and the games are on weekends. Broomball is really growing in the City of Fridley and this year they will have 13-15 teams. Last year the H.A.F. was fortunate enough to procure some ice at Columbia Arena and they held the girls' broomball championships inside. Last year they had a total of 162 girls in the program. All the money that comes into this program also goes to buy the girls' jerseys and they get to keep them. District 10 and Traveling Teams Air. Fischer stated that District 10 is a body in which the traveling teams are enrolled. District 10 is governed by the Minnesota Amateur Hockey Association (M.A.H.A.). District 10 has complete control over the traveling teams. They set the fees of what it costs each team to participate in their league, and out of these fees pays the dues to M.A.H.A. and A.H.A.S. District 10 also sets the fees to participate in the District 10 taurnament at the end of the year. Mr. Fischer stated that last year they had a total of 173 boys in Traveling Team hockey. This was broken down into different levels as the House League is. There were 32 boys playing on two Squ�rt teams, 52 boys playing on three PeeWee traveling t,eams, 54 boys playing on three Bantam teams, and 35 boys playing at the Midget level. Areas in District 10 that the boys cempete with are Anoka, Blaine, Spring Lake Park Centennial, Columbia Heights, Coon Rapids, Elk River, Forest Lake, and Pridley. In the B level, which is a little less competitive, there are covmmunities in the Lakes area up by Mora and St. Anthony Village, with which the B team competes. The purpose of the league is for more advanced athletes to play against people their equal or better. This year some of the games have been played inside; the majority of the A teams play inside. So, that means other communities caning to Fridley. In the pasC, other communities have been very pleased with Fridley's facilities. Mr. Fischer stated Lhat Che Traveling teams practice two days a week, 1� hours each aight. This year they will probably be playing s�e of their skrimage games outside. -, ��� PltiRKS & RECREATION COMMZSSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25 2976 Pape 4 Mr. Fischer stated that all the money that is supposedly spent on traveling teams is returned to H.A.F. They have a system called a"traveling team assessment" whereby each boy and/or his parent is assessed "x" amount of dollars. They have to pay this "x" amount of dollars back to A.A.F. in increments of whatever is set up by the team coach and manager. This money comes back to help pay for ice time, District 10 officials, and other things. Mr. Fischer stated that the H.A.F. would like to ask the Commission to have a11 refereea certified. They feel they can get a top quality game for the boys, they wi11 leam more, and the game will be fairer if they have certified officials. Outdoor ice is a must to their program. A cutback on ice would put them in a bind. Practice time for House League and Traveling teams and Broomball is best utilized when one team in on the ice at a time. If H.A.F. can utilize the rinks they had last year and have or utilize the best'available facilities, they feel they can give each boy who signs up for hockey, both House and Traveling team, the best opportunity to learn and improve on his skills. The H.A.F. makes an effort to go out and look at all the rinks in the City of Fridley, and looks at the best rinks available to hold their games on. So, the H.A.F. hopes that they will have good quality rinks for their boys to play on, as safety i.s their biggest concern. With three less rinks to maintain this year, the H.A.F. is wondering if they wi11 have better facilities--better condition of the boards on the rinks, better warming houses or better lighting at some of the rinks. These are some of the things the H,A.F. would like che Commission to recommend to happen. Mr. Fischer stated he would like to pass on the H.A.F, purpose and philasophy. Tkei:r purpose is to foster or promote and develop amateur hockey in the City of Fridley, foster fair play and sportsmanship among the boys, maintain and promote a community interest in hockey, and provide all registered players an opportunity to play regardless of their ability. The philosophy of the H.A.F. is to provide the youth of Fridley with an opportunity to play in an organized program that does fit the child's ability. The H.A.F. woald like to provide each child with an atmosphere which cult3vates sportsman- ship, respect, and friendshfp. Mr, Fiacher thanked the Ca�issioa for their time. Mr. Peterson stated he was sure that last year the Co�ission had passed the motion that it would be desirable that all referees be certified for the 75-76 year, bat tor the 76-77 yeaz- it is mandatory that the referees be certified. Mr. Peterson suggested that Mr. Boudreau get together with Mr. Howard about the referees .for this season. Mr, Harris wanted,to point out that it was not that the Commission was dissatisfied with their referees, but that they felt by having all the referees certified, this was a way to make certain,that all referees would be knowledgeable of the game in fairness to the children par[icipating. Mr, Harris told Mr. Boudreau that it has beea the Commission's policy in the past that those kids who have refereed in the past and are certified have preference over those kids who decide to referee for the first time. He asked that Mr, Boudreau pass thfs onto Doa Howard when he talks to him. 3� PARKS & RECREATION CO�+IISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25, 197b Page 5 Mr. Fischer stated that the H.�.F., at the Board level, would like to make a change, if at all possible. Mr. Howard has always been the individual to call or cancel games for bad weather, etc. They would like to ask the Coamiission if the H.A.F. Board Director in charge of the House League could have the right to call or cancel games. Mr. Harris stated that they are there. And, referee the game that City and H.A.F. referees are to be paid if the game is called or not, if only Mr. Howard would know what referees were assigned to is to be cancelled. Mr. Howard is the liaison between the Mr. Fischer withdrew the request. Mr. Harris again expressed his concern about the tc�o rinks at Locke Park--one to be used for broomball and one for hockey. He wondered if they are going to create some problems there because there is nothing more dangerous than skating on broam bristles. Mr. Fischer stated he had been unaware thaC the second rinlc was go=ng in and just recently became aware of this crisis. He agreed with Mr. Harris that there is a danger. He said Ms. Byrnes had expressed concern about having to move her broom- ball t•o *tadsen. Mr. Fischer fe1L that he, Ms. Byrnes, Ms. Judy Aengstler, and Mr. Boudreau could get together and solve this problem. Mr. Harris stated he thinks it is the Coa�ission's responsibility to make certain that e11 safety matters relating to use of municipal rinks are covered at this Commission level. Mr. Peterson felt if one rink is designated for hockey and one rink designa[ed for broomball, then there shouldn't be any problem. Mr. Harris stated he didn't agree. The reason they decided to go to Locke Park is that it has the only good warming house, As long as there are better lights at Locke, that is where hockey should be played. While there is a game or practice on one rink, there is going to be free skating on the other rink, and that is where thexe is going to he a probiem. Mr. Boudreau stated Yhat, with the Co�ission's approval, he felt this was a progranmiatic IDatter that can be worked out between Mr. Fischer, Ms. Byrnes, Ma, Hengstler, and himself. , Mr. Peterson stated that Mr. Boudreau could report back to the Coumission at the next meeting on the solutions to this problem. Mr. Roberge stated he would like to coumend the Cou�ission for the fine job they have done in maintaining the ice in the past, and hopes they continue to do so because the success of their high school program depends on the youth program. �v ��� PARKS & RECREATION COI�A9ISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1976 Page 6 And, he can understand the City not wanting them to use the ice until the high school does their share of the work. The only time they used the ice was basically for conditioning. Unfortunately this year, Mr. Roberge stated, they are competing against schools, many of which have their own arenas. Mr. Roberge stated they have 1'� hours of ice time every day, so it was his plan ' to get later ice time at Columbia Arena around 6:00 p.m. so they can go outdoors after school. This can cause a probLem from the safety point of view if they go over to Cou�ons Park after school. They do a lot of conditioning there, and he knows when they did use Co¢m�ons before, they tended to gouge the ice. He can see if they have to go to Co�ons, and they probably will, there is a good chance that the ice will be in poor condition for H.A.F, He stated this is something for the Commission to consider as he wi11 probably be using Commons for about 1 hour of basic conditioning drills before going to Columbia Arena for finer team skills. Mr. Harris stated that is where the problem comes in--the City would get done flooding about 2:00 p.m. and by 3:30 p.m. the skaters were on the ice already. He said what needs to be done is some coordinating so the high school could use the ice that has been flooded the earliest part of the day. Mr. Roberge stated that the heaviest traffic on the rinks is going to be at Commons and maybe they could be flaoded earlier in the day. Mr. Peterson stated that he cettainly hopes that a schedule can be worked out where there could be some flooding at night rather than all during the day. Th3s has been a constent battle for three years--flooding during the day and it doesn't freeze up and the ice gets all chewed up. Mr. Boudreau stated that a lot of efficiency is lost and it is a lot more daagerous for the workmen when flooding from midaight until 6:00 a,m. They are working strictly by artificial light and the equipment is dangerous. Looking at the economics and efficiency of it, they are pianning on starting flooding at 6:00 a.�, and should be able to complete flooding by 2:00 p.m. Flooding Commons earlier in the day is just a matter of scheduling. Mr. Peterson felt they would have the same problem at Locke Park or Madsen as ttyey do at Commons with the 2:00 flooding as the kids there are going to be on the ice at the same time. Maybe they should be looking at an earlier cut-off time for flooding. ' Mr. Boudreau stated they would.try to improve the maintenance they have had in the past oa the rinks the best way they can with 12 men with the equipment that is available without going so far in debt in overtime and making dangerous working conditions for the mea. Mr. Roberge stated that sin�e their boys are able to go indoors for an hour, Che School Administration felt it was not necessary to maintain their own outdoor rink. He can see some conflicts with H.A.F. as the school is ruining the Hockey Association's evening ice time at Co�ons. 3� YARKS & RECREATION CONAII SSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25 1976 Page 7 Mr. Roberge stated it was Coo bad something can't be worked out between School District 14 and the City. They should be ahle to reciprocate facilities as it is their community, too. Mr. Boudreau stated there has been a date set with the City Council and the School Board to sit down the early part of November to discuss issues of common concern.. He is sure those concerns will include the recreational park facilities. He thinks it is a giant step towards a cooperative effort and he thinks good can come from it, fle thinks both bodies can go into the meeting with an open mind-- that they are all spending taxpayers' money and that these are community facilities. Mr. Harris stated that the Commission has no objection to Mr. Roberge's kids using the ice; they just feel they are not getting a fair shake from the school when it comes to using school property. Mr. &oudreau stated that maybe some solution could be arrived at that might not be as difficult as it seems. Mr. Peterson stated that there is at least one more Commission meeting before we have ice. He suggested to Mr. Boudreau that, in addition to Mr. Boudreau getting together with Mr. Fischer and the broomball people, that Mr. Boudreau also get together with Mr. Roberge and Look at his schedule to see what might be cooperz�ive. Mr. Boudreau stated he would report back to the Coumtission at the next meeting. Mr. Peterson thanked Mr. Fischer and Mr. Roberge for coming. DIRECTOR'S REPORT: ' A. Soccer Field at Locke Mr. Boudreau stated that the soccer field at Locke Park is in the process of being graded. They took the tree down which was requested by Mr. Juan Salas, and they should have a regulation soccer field. They have to get permission to lower a manhole two feet, but it should be no problem. It is too Late this year to seed the field, but they are going to top-dress it and roll it; also are � going to try to get an aerator which will mix the soil so it is not all sand on top. Hopefully, the field will be p;ayable by next summer. In Long range planning, Mr. Boudreau thinks they should look into irrigation of Locke Park similar to Commons and also saa�e lighting on Che soccer field so it wauld be usea6le as a football field and have a dual purpose. Also, the possibility of tak3ng out one of the softball diamonds that is there and making one good lighted softball diamond and have the other area open. The two ball diamonds are back to back and too close for playing. • �� PARKS & RECREATION COI��fI5SI0N MEETING, OCTOBER 25 1976 Page 8 Mr. Boudreau stated that there are an awfully lot of ball fields 6ehind the schools that are lying idle during the summer. He is trying to get some commit- ments with the schools that, even if the City has to maintain these fields, they can use them and eliminate some of the facilities the City has. B. Co-op Program with Cou�unity Education School District ��I4 Mr. Boudreau stated there is a reaident of Fridley who Lives in the Georgetown Apartments who is taking same classes at the University and who also has an extensive background in "Survival Education" with the Air Force. He has a corporation that operates out of the State of Washington that he teaches classes on what he ca11s "Survival Education" connected with outdoors recreation. He has a different philosophy or slant on teaching, for example, cross country skiing. $e says if you want to teach someone how to cross country ski, you ought to teach them how to dress, the necessities, and the emergency care that goes along with it so you can enjoy the activity. Mr. Boudreau said he has talked to Mr. Tom Myhra and they both agree that this gentleman has a good philosophical basis for his teaching attd that it might be worth a try to have such a program in the City of Fridley. They have verbally said they will go with two night programs, 2-3 hour sessions, December 2 and 9. There will be charge of $1.00 at the door. The City wi11 share the cost of bringing this man in to see how these sessions go. This is one of the first cooperative efforts in Fridley between Community Education and the Parks & Recreation Co�ission. Y � C. Planned Moore Lake Development Mr. Boudreau stated 4e has gotten two letters in the mail recently from citizens of Fridley suggesting that Moore Lake be dredged now that the lake is low. The people he has talked to say the City has to get D.N.R. permission to dredge and there is the possibility of puncturing the bottom of the lake, What is planned now is the aeriation system for Moore Lake this fa11 with a grant that will buy the aeriation system. The City is going to put in a fishing pier. Mr. Boudreau stated that money is in the budget to do a complete study of Moore Lake to find out what catt be done with it. Supposedly, this study is just £or the East side of the lake, but he would like to see the study done for both sides. Mr. Peterson stated that from a logical standpoint, they should also look at Locke Lake as soon as possible. p, Transfer of Park Property to CountY Mr. Boudreau stated, that as the Commission already knew, they have completed the transfer of park property from Rice Creek property to Anoka County. � �� YAR1iS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1976 PaRe 9 OLD BUSINESS: A. Mr. Bob Bishop (propertY owner adiacent to Altura park} Referring to a letter from Mr. Pau1 Brown, former Parks & Recreation Director, to Mr. Bob Bishop, dated May 31, 1974, Mr. Bishop stated that of the three choices of fencing offered to him by Mr. Brown, he had chosen Alternate #3 (a redwood fence). He stated he had chosen [his fence between his property and Altura Park as the park doesn't maintain their dandeliofls, there are dogs which are a problem, and the snow blows into his yard from the freeway, Last year he had to buy a snowblower costing $500 to keep some of the snow out of his back yard. $e stated he would be willing to maintain the redwood fence and stain it. Mr. Brown had told Mr. Bishop last year that the fence would be put in, and then earlier this year, Mr. Brown again said it would be put in in August. . Mr. Boudreau stated that he had been to Mr. Bishop's home. He referred to Mr. Brown's letter to Mr. Bishop dated May 31, 1974, which offered Mr. Bishop three alternatives and requested Mr. Bishop's family to make a decision and contact the office. Mr. Bishop apparently made his decision; however, Mr. Boudreau reviewed the minutes and could find no record of any transactions. This also . went to the point of getting quotes on the fencing. Mr. Bishop had expressed that he would Like Alternative �3 which is a redwood or cedar fence. Mr. Boudreau had informed Mr. Bishop that, as far as he knew, it was the Co�ission's policy to split the cost of a four foot high cyclone fence with neighbors bordering park areas. Mr. Bishop doesn't feei this cyclone fence will do the job. His major problem is that the park is open to the freeway and that is what causes the snow to pile up in his back yard and that is why he would like a redwood or cedar fence. Mr. Bishop does have a white picket fence now that is about four feet high across the back of his property. Mr. Boudreau stated he had told Mr. Bishop that he was welcome to come before the Comnission with this problem. Mr. Harris told Mr. Bishop that he was sorry that the installation has not been done; but at this point, he doesn't think the Commission wants to get in a situation with a redwood fence. Before the chain link fence policy, the Commission had put up a redwood £ence at 3ay Park as a family was bordered on both sides of the park causing a 1ot of problems. The fence was put in with the understanding that the family would maintain the fence, These people soon moved and the fence deteriorated. Mr. Harris stated that this could happen in Mr. Bishop's case-- that he could move and the new people would not maintain the fence. Mr. Bishop staCed that in the wi.nter time he has a very high heating bill; there is just no way to s[op the wind blowing north through the park. He needs a border there. He has spent a lot of money improv;mg his property. He can see no other way but a redwood fence. Mr. Peterson stated he remembers this coming to the Commission before, but he doesn't remember any recocc�endation from Mr, grown on a redwood fence as the Coa¢nission has a policy for only chain link fences, `s='��.�, PARKS & RECREATION COMNIISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25,.1976 Page 10 Mr. Aarris suggested that Mr. Bishop split the cost and have a chain link fence put in and then put redwood slats in it for a windbreak. Mr. Bishop stated that redwood slats are worthless. Mr, Peterson stated that Mr. Brown's letter to Mr. Bishop was misleading as his letter does not reflect Commission action, and Mr. Brown could not authorize anything without Commission approval. Mr. Peterson stated aiso that the reason the Commission participates in the fence policy is because of the youngsters and the ball playing in Che park being a nuisance to those people bordering park psoperty. The City does not feel they are obligated for the snow or the wind that is blowing across people's yards. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Bishop if he wanted the redwood fence as a wind- shield or because of the youngsters in the park being a problem. Mr. Bishop answered by saying the redwood fence would keep his yard looking nice as the Park Board doesn't spray the dandelions all the time, the fence would make the park more decorative. He stated everyone has some problems with kids when you live next to a park. Mr, Moore stated that Mr. Bishop borders 694 and since the State is interested in the eavironment and is putting up a lot of wood sound barri�rs, he can see no reasos why the C�mmission cannot make an exception to the rule, He can under- stand what Mr. Bishop is saying, and since there is no ball playing in this park, he cannot see why the Commission couldn't authorize a redwood fence--at least half the cost of putting in a chain link fence. Mr. Boudreau stated that it would be possible, in keeping withthe Commission policy, that the Commission coutd give Mr. Bishop half the cost of putting in a chain link fence and he could apply that towards a redwood fence. Mr. Harris stated that he thinks the policy on chain link fences that the Commission has set has been accepted by the City Council as part of the premise they are operating on; and if there is going to be a change in the policy, Mr. Bishop is going to have to go to the Council and discuss this with them. The Cou¢nission cannot make an exception as they would have more people coming in for the same thing. Mr. Peterson stated that the Commission has a fencing policy and neither Mr. Boudreau or the Coam�ission has the authority to go outside the fence policy; and if they were to participate even to the half of a chain Link fence, he would feel more comfortable making a recoumendation to the Council and letting them decide, because Mr. Bishop is going to have problems with a redwood fence and the Commission doesn't want the policy of having a redwood fenc� around every park in Fridley. �� PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25, 1976 Yage 11 Mr. Bishop stated he was going to get�a redwood fence as he was promised a redwood fence by Mr. Paul Brown, who used to be the director of the Parks & Recreation Department. He feels when someone gives his word, he should stick by it. He stated he would take his request to the City Council and the City is going to have to stand behind Mr. Paul Brown's letter. If he ends up gutting the redwood fence in with his own money, the Park Board is going to have to pay for any damage that happens to it. Mr. Harris suggested that Mr. Bishop go to the next Council meeting, take Mr. Brown's letter, and discuss it with the Council. Mr. Peterson thanked Mr. Bishop for coming. Mr. Boudreau stated he would go to the City Manager the following day with a copy of Mr. Brown's letter to Mr. Bishop and tell the City Manager that Mr. Bishop is requesting time at the next Council meeting to discuss his problem. It is the concensus of the Parks & Recreation Commission that its policy is for chain Iink fences only; and that until that policy is changed by City Council, that is the direction the Co�ission is taking. B. Accept Report of Recreation Prolect Committee Mr. 3oudreau stated that the Co�issioners had the first two pages of a report from the Recreation Project Covmiittee. Zn addition, Mr. Boudreau stated he has the minutes of the Recreation Project Committee's August 23 and 31 meetings and also a report and staff evaluation by Maxine Boone on the playground program that was operated this suum�er. It was the Recreation Project Committee's desire that these three items become a part of the final report. He would make copies of these minutes and Ms. Boone's report and get them Co the Commission members. MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Dave Harris, to receive the Recreation Project Coumittee's report, and that, on the Commission's behalf, Mr. Charles Boudreau send a letYer to the Recreation Project Committee thanking them for the time and work they have done. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Harris stated that he would hope that the Commission would have a synopsis zeport, but in-depth, from all the project co�ittees relative to the park projects and a report from the Recreation Project Committee, something in typed form so that the Coum�ission can sit down and approve, make changes or corrections, and pass it on Co the City Council. He said we are talking about assigning monies, spending monies, priorities, a number of things, and it should go to ihe Council. The Co�ission certainly cannot act to implement these things. Mr. Boudreau stated he agreed wi[h that. What he would reco�end is that they sit down as a group. Ae is working on an abstract of all of these committees by neighborhood and then a small conclusion and stm¢nary statement of general-- how many tennis courts were requested, etc, along with the Recreation Project C�ittee. He wants to submit this to the Commission for their review; and then if there are any questions, a special meeting can be held to call people back to discuss nothing but these two projects. �� PARItS � RECREATION CONa1ISSI0N MEETING, OCTOBER 25, 1976 Page 12 Mr. Harris stated he would rather see a report to the Co�ission in more detail than may be necessary to go to the Council, because the Commission can take out from there things that they recognize are impractical or impossible. But, he thinks they should send as much information on the basis of the work they have done than send a very sketchy report. After the Commission receives. Mr. Boudreau's communication, he feels a reco�endation should go to the Council from the Commission. C. Review of"Articles of Incorporation of Fridley Youth Center" Mr. Boudreau stated this was passed dowa from the Planning Commission to all the member commissions for their review and comment. Mr. Moore stated he had read through the "Articles of Incorporation of Fridley Youth Center" and in Axticle VIII, Section 5, CALL OF SPECIAL MEMBERSHIP MEETINGS, the words, "or at the request in writing of inembers owning less than one-half of the voting power of the members of the Corporation" he eliminated from the first sentence. MO'FION by Zeonard Moore, seconded by Dave Harris, to receive the "Articles of Incorporation of Fridley Youth Center" with the above correction to Article VIII, Section 5. Mr. Harris asked if it was correct that this particular body that has been set up to operate a Fridley `?outh Center is a separate body and not under the juris- diction o£ the Parks & Recreation Commission? He does feel 3t should not be administered by the Commission. Mr. MooYe stated that was correct, but it was his understanding that the Parks & Recreation Director would oversee it, and the Parks & Recreation Department would be responsible for staffing. M;. Peterson stated it was his understanding, as it was approved by City Council, that there would always be a member of the Parks & Recreation Co�ission on the Board of Directors. Mr, Harris stated he had no objection to that and he is not anti-youth center-- he just doesn't think it should be admi.nistered by the Parks & Recreation Department because if it is, it is going to be funded by them. jJPON A VOICE VOTE, AT.L VOTiNG AYE, THE MOTION CARRIED UNAPIIMOUSLY. Mr, Harrts stated that if the "Articles of Incorporation of Fridley Youth Center" are implemented and the corporation becomes an operating entity, it is not to be staffed, operated, or under the supervision and direction of the Parks & Recreation Commission. He has no objection to one member being on the Board of Directors, butthinks it has got to be operated as a separate entity. �z PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25, 1976 Page 13 Mr. Moore stated that if the City Council would appropriate money to the Parks � Recreation Commission for the Fridley Youth Center, he would like [o see it under the Coo�ission. Mr. Peterson stated another thing he objected to was the electing of the Board of Directors because it sounded like the Board of Directors were going to be picked partly by function rather than a gopuLarity vote, Mr. Peterson stated the H.A.F. is an incorporated non-profit organization. They have their own officers, they raise their own money, but, like tonight, when they are going to be using eleven city rinks and other things, they sit down with the Co�ission, the Coa�ission looks at the operating procedures, and the H.A.F. operates only with the Co�ission's approval. It is the same with softball, etc. But, he stated, the Fridley Youth Center is different. � Mr. Peterson also stated that maybe the Co�ission's recommendation to the City Council should be that the Commission thinks there should be some kind of working relationship with the Fridley Youth Center like the Commission has with al1 their other non-profit organizations using city property, and that the Fridley Youth Center will have to negotiate with the Commission on operating procedures, etc., so the Commission has some control. MOTION by Leonard Moore to approve Che "Articles of Incorporation of Fridley Youth Center"under the same guidelines as those used for the H.A.F. and F.Y.S.A. Mr. Harris stated [hat he didn't think the Co�i.ssion could the❑ approve the "Articles of Incorporation" as that is not the way they are set up, Mr. Moore withdrew his motion. MOTION hy Leonard Moore, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the Parks & Recreation Commission indicates to the Planning Coum�ission that they receive the "Articles of Incorporation of Fridley Youth Center" and are in keeping with this corporation of the Fridley Youth Center to the extent that its relationship is in keeping with the Parks & Recreation Commission's relationship with other similar separate entity corporations such as the H.A.F., F.Y.S.A., Softball Association, Babe Ruth, and others that are probably adminisCered by their own Board of Directors but using city facilities. Upbn a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: A. Proposal of Departmental Philosophy and Goals - tabled until next meeting. B. Set Special Meeting Date to Discuss Project Reports - tabled until next meeting. �� PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1976 Paqe 14 C. Change of MeetinR Date from November 22 to November 15 Mr. Boudreau stated that November 22 is three days before Thanksgiving and a lot of people may be out of town: He felt November 15 might be better if that was acceptahle with the Commission. MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore, that the regular Parks � Recreation Commission meeting be changed from November 22 to Noveml�er 15, 1976. Upon a Voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimousiy. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Ilarvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore, to adjourn the meeting at 10:30 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, f�2.L. Q.G�.� Lyn Saba Recordiug Secretary � HUMAN RESOURCES CO*L�IISSION MEETING NOVEMEER 4, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: Barbara Shea, William ScoCt, Harold Belgtim MEM3ERS ABSENT: Grace Lynch, Nancy Lambert OTHERS PRESENT: James Hi11, Public Safety Director Darrel Clar.k, Community Development Administrator 13ed Storla, 7548 A1den Way N.E. Harold Poswick, 2601 Princeton Ave. So. President of Builtwell Construction, Inc. Roff Ilelgum, 191 Hartman Circle Erik Belgum, 191 Hartman Circle CA'LI TO ORDER: Chairperson Shea called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. I�PPROVE OCTOEER 7, 1976, HtIMA:Q RESOLiRCES COMNZSSIOV MEETING PIINUTES: Mr. Scott indicated that the following corrections should be made: 1. Page 2, second to last paragraph, should read: "After some discussion, the Commission members felt they would not act on the 'Articles of Incorporation' at this time until it is in a more refined state.�' 2. Page 4, third paragraph, should read: "Ms. Shea stated, in thaC regard, the Commission could set a certain date two months in advance with a specifi�c pvrpose in mind and then it could be publicized, xaCher than the usual third Tharsday of every month." 3. Page 5, third paragraph, should read: "Mr. Scott brought to the attention of the Commission members that, in an article in the Sun Neiaspaper recently, there was a grant given to the Anoka 3udiczre in the amount of $97,000 by the National Legal Services Corporation to test a delivery system model, which is a combination staffed attorney and Judicare in this county." MOTION by ��illiam Scott, seconded by Harold Belgum, to approve the October 7, 197G, Human Resources Commission meeting minutes as corrected. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. g rr �f �� HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION 1�ETING, NOV�MBER 4, 1976 PAGE 2 A-95 REVIEW OF 23 RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN THE ALICE WALL �DllITION: Ms. Shea sL-ated that it is important for the Commission to realize that they are talking about the 23 residential lots and not the apartment building. Mr. Poswick stated he was the president of Builtwell Construction and the sponsor of tlle 23 homes on the 23 lots. He said he was present to answer any questions the Co�ission might have. Ms. Shea sL-ated to Mr. Poswick that the Commission has the right to draw an A-95 review of- the 23 lots which is simply putting the Couunissioa's comments into tdetro- Council to send to H.U.D. Mr. Scott stated he had some questions to ask Mr. Poswick--one was that these are supposed to be low income houses and yet he sees that the homes are $56,000 a piece Mr. Scott said he doesn't feel the iow income people can take advantage of these homes unless they are subsidized in some way. Mr. Posuiicic stated he has heen trying to get the houses down to about $47,000 and is finding it almost impossible. By the time he adds on the sales commission and the poi�ts for F.H.A., etc., the houses are $56,000. Mr. Poswick said he realizes this is a real prob2em. Mr. Scott stated that S.E.9. and soine federal agencies ;iave ctia�te t6nt companies can post on their u�alls cahich states that they do not discz:rninate in their hixic practices. Eecause the construction field, traditivnlliy, is very racially discri.minato_ry against Blacics, for example, Mr. 5cett stated that the Cammission is trying to encourage people who deal with subcontractors to at least ask the aub- contractors not to discriminate. Mr. Poswick agreed and stated they wi11 he using government posters. _ Mr. Scott nade the suggestion to Mr. Poswich that he advertise the project in tlie B1acY, ne*aspapers-'!the Twin Cities Courie�" and the"Minneapolis Spokesman"-so that these people will know there is a development going in in Fridley, Mr. Poswick stated that they have stated in their presentation to F.H.A. that they wi11 be contactin� by newstetter and by inviting personally the various groups to attend their open house. Mr. Scott suggested it might also be worthwhile for Mr. Poswick to call the "Spokesman" or the "Tcain Cities Courier" to let them know this development is going to be built and possibly get their subcontractors, or put an advertisement in these newspapers to get a subcontractor rather than using traditional sub- contrsctors. He said they are just trying to bring out some of the things a devetoper can do to at ieast let racial minorities know they are welcome to live in Fridley. The Commission meaibers thanked Mr. Poswick for attending the meeting. � HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMI3EK 4, 1976 PAGE 3 MOTION by William Scott, seconded by Harold Belgum, that the Human Resources Commission's chairperson communicate with A.U.D „ via Metro-Council, that the Commission recommends approval of the proposed project. Upon a voice vote, ail voting aye, the motion carried unanimousLy. DISCUSSION WITH JAMES HILL PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR CITY OF FRIDLEY: Mr. Hi11 was at the meeting by invitation by the Commission for a discussion on Che general contrihution which the Fridley Police Department may be able to make to the work of the Human Resources Commission. Mr. Hill stated he would answer any inquiries the Commission may have, but stated that the Commission members might be interested in hearing about his background as it relates basically to human resources. Mr. Hi11 sCated he was born and raised in the State of Maine. He left Maine in his teenage ;-ears to become a member of the minority population in one of the Arab nations, Jordan. He lived in Jordan for two years. His father worked for the U.S. Government. Ae learned after these two years what it means to live and be a minority citizen in a foreign country. He found it very informative and very educational. He caent back to his home in Maine and graduated from high school there. Immediately after graduation (his parents were in Afghanistan at that time), he coent on to begin his childhood ambition of law enforcement. At the age of 17, he wenc to tdashingtcn, D.C., and joined the Pederal Bureau of in•�estigation as a clerk (actually a messenger) ta S. Edgar Hoover. He served for three months and then went into the technical area of fingerprints. After a neriod of :our years, he was a fingerprint technician and instructor for the F.R.I. He found out after f our yea:s that caorking for the F.B,L. in that particular area was just too specialized. It really didn't fulfill his ambition of the Laca enforcement field. So, he went to Alexandria, Virginia. (population 130,0001, where he joined the police force as a patrolman. He served as a police officer in Alexandria for 12 years. He went through the ranks of patrolman, corporal, sergeant, and acting captain before coming to Fridley. He had a vast amount of experience in Alexandria. Alexandria has about 12% minority, basically Blacks. He sear[ed in the elite section of Che city, moved do�.m to middle class-whites, and then to the Black Ghettos. He found it all interesting. It is a different type of 1ife, different assignments, a different type of work even though in the same city. He has been a beat patrolman. He has been almost everything in a big ciCy in 1aw enforcement. His specialty in law enforcemenC, before becoming an administrator, was in the area of criminalistics. 1{e was a crime lab director--something that was sev�rely lackin� in this state and county. Mr. Hill stated he came to Fridley upon invitation. He worked for the tdational Association of Chiefs of Police part-time as a consultant and, through them, his name came up for this position. He came to Fridley in June of 1972. His formal education was all part time at the American University in Washington, D.C., abouC 12 years of it, 2-3 nights a week. He has a Bachelor of Science Degree in Law Enforcement and completed all his course work in his Bachelor of Science Degree in Administration of Justice at the American University. His emphasis, of course, is in law enforcement as a major, but he has also majored in sociology and psychology. He has had extensive work in the area of police election, including the National Association of Chiefs o£ Police as an assessor in many cities throughout the country. �'7 HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMI3ER 4 1976 PAGE 4 Mr. Hil1 told the Commission members tliat the. Police Department publishes an annual report, a probress report, whicl� tells about everything the Police Depart- ment l�as done during the year and this is avaiiable eo the public. Mr. Belgum stated L-hat on this Commission it is very difficult to get a pic[ure of a city and the Commission is supposed to make some assessments of human resources in Fridl.ey. Somehow the public is not very know7e�lgeable about what the police spend their time doing. Mr. Belgum said he assumes that Mr. Hi11, as head of public safety, has an overview oi the city's healths and he asked Mr, Hi11 to comment on this. Mr. Hill stated that they have what they call a°Uniform Crime Report," which is put out at this tiu�e by the P.B.I. He read the following statement from this report: "Crime is a social problem and it concerns the entire cor�miunity. The law enforcement effort is only one of the factors within this control. Po�ulatfon is one of many factors which must be considered in the comparative study of crime." The report also Listed some of the CORCI1t70R5 which affect the volume.and type of-crime that occurs from place to place. Mr. Eiill stated he couldn't agree with this more. So many times police officials w�nt th.e public to fee7. that the crime factoxs in a particular community are goverued solely by the police. Nbthino could he more grossly ir.zccurate. Yolice are cri.s;.s-t:ype c-'orl:ers. They have to react. They den'.*. create the crime and yet they dan't totally cantrol it. Ttiey can do some banda�d cures, ttiey can do some high r_oncentration i.n a certain area to reduce certain crin,es, but that doesn't solve the probleu�--the social ills are there. He thinks �?ge,unemploy- ment, inactivity of youth, those types of things are some of the critical consider- ations of crime factors, He thinks it is quite evident that publ.ic apathy is every�•�here. Everybody wants to voice their opinion at the right time at the right place, but they are not interested in doing anything about it. Mr. Belgum asked hSr. Hill to elaborate on the connection between unemployment and crime, particularly the youth. Mr. Hill stated that anytime you have a situation where you put a human being in a state that thep have nothing to do, they don't have any interests, they don't have any employment, tl�ey are bound to become involved in mischieE. If you can keep the youth Uusy, oz interested in something, you are going to have a reduction in crime. �� Mr. Helgum stated to Mr. Hill that in Brooklyn Park, the Police Department had so many domesti.c calls that it led to the City Council forming a family counseling center. He asked A1r. Hi11 to comment on the number or degree of domestic friction i.n the City of Fridley. I � � i �� ! �� HUMhN RESOURCES COi�IIfiS5I0N MEBTING NOVEMBER 4 1976 PAGE 5 Mr. Hi11 stated that Fridley doesn't have a significant number of domestic calis. What Fridley is high in is property crimes, high in larcenies, high specifically in burglaries. Burglary is Fridley's major problem. Mr. tlill stated there were 13 juveniles arrest•ed in rridley in 1975 for 6urglary compared to 4 adults, There were 298 juveniles overall arrested in Fridley in 1975 compared to 537 adults. Adults are 18 years and older. Of the 537 adults, 166 of them �aere between the ages of 18-21. Qf the 298 juveniles arrested for all crimes in Fridley in 1975, Mr. Hill gave the following breakdown of these crimes: Robbery Assault Burglary Larceny Auto Theft Fraud/Forgery Vandalism Sex Offences Narcotics Liquor Laca Violations Driving under the Influence Disorderly Conduct Curfeca Runaways All others Males 3 5 10 69 4 1 27 2 33 26 3 6 9 0 22 Females 0 1 3 47 (probably shop- lifting at Target or Holiday) 0 0 2 1 9 10 1 0 0 2 4 Mr. Scott asked Mr. Hill that, recognizing that the police do not arrest every violator, if this was a fair represer.tation of the youth in Fridley, He said he estimated 1 in 10. Mr. ftill answered that it does not, it only represents a mere fraction of what occurs, He said Mr, Scott's estimate of 1 in 10 is a very accurate guess. Mr. Hill stated that they have certain areas which are high crime areas. Any- time you have a transient population, high density housing, it is conducive to all kinds of problems--domestic difficulties, vandalism, and Larcenies to automo6iles. � �� IlUMAN RESCURCES COMT9ISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 4, 1976 PAGE 6 Mr. HfLl gave the following statisCics on the major index of crimes, nationwide: Murder - 1�/, of alI persons arreseed were under the age oE 18; 45% caere under the age of 25. Robbery - 77% of all persons arrested were under the age of 25; 58% were under the age of 21; 34% caere under the age of 18. $urglary - 85% of. all persons arrested were under the age of 25; • 53% were under the age of 18. (The arrests of individuals under the age of 18 for burglary increased 43% from 1974 to 1975.) Mr. Hi11 state3 that he doesn't believe too much in statistics as they can be twisted and still be legitimate. They can be interesting to use but he doesn't put a Iot of credence in them. Ms. Shea asY,ed Mr. Hi11 why police officers in Fridley ride singly in a car She wondered if it wasn't more dangerous tha[ caay. P1r. Hili stated that he believes in one-man police cars, basically, because of essential econamic situations. Two one-man cars can cover twice the space in ? city. Contrary to the belief Chat it is dangerous te have one offi.cer in a car, nati.onal statisti_cs show that mest deaths or injuries cccur in two-�an cars. In'the routzne day-to-day caork, administrators hove found that it is more �angerous. to have tc-o nen in a car. Wt?en t�ao men are i❑ the car, th�y begin to :ely ea e�ch other, and t1�e wltolz psychological factor comes in, Of course, he eaid, the.__ are a].ways syecif.ic times when two men are ueede3 in one car. Mr, Scott stated that Metro-Council has got a thing they ca11 a Social Frameu�ork Development Program and they loolc at things such as the development the Commission approved this evening on the 23 residential lots in the A1ice Wall Addition. he said it is his belief tLat when the Cormnission approves something like this that they know it is going to have increased crime. PSr. Scott said he is trying to develop a case for, say> having additional recreational facilities near these developments put in by the city or the developer to provide diversions to relieve these kinds o£ tensions. He said he hopes that sometime in the future this Commission wi11 address itself to this kind of thing. He asked Mr. Hill if he was receptive to this kind of thing. Mr. Aill agreed he was and stated that when the city is going to build townhouses or apartments, they have to have some outlet for these people. They have to have some recreation. Mr. Storia asked Mr. Hill if he would tell sahat age the youth in Fridley are most apt to coimnit a crime in relation to the total youths arrested. �� HUMAN RESOURCES C(7I�PIISSION MEETING NOVBMBER 4 1976 PAGE 7 Mr. Hi71 gave the following information: Larceny- 10 and under - 8 11-12 - 9 13-14 - 23 15 - 30 16 - 22 17 - 24 Vandalism- 10 and under - 2 11-12 - 6 13-14 - 8 15 - 6 16 - 5 17 - 2 Mr. Hill stated that you have to consider that not too many policemen are going to arrest a child 10 years o1d and younger--only in severe cases. Ms. Shea asked Mr. Hill about the Police Reserves. Mr. Hill stated that when he came to Fridley, they had whaC they called the Acxilliary Police. They are now called the Police Reserves. When the name was che..zged, they also made specific requirements that they had to complete-- written tests, oral aad physical examinations, etc. The reserve force quicklg dropped from 30 down to 5 as the men didn't qualify or didn't want to qualify. They are now back to 20 at this tiu�e. Basic Qualifications for Police Reserves- U.S. Citizen resident of Fridley Age 21-40 Minimum education- high achool diplema good physical and mer�tal health background investigation clear arrest record Since the Reserves carried guns when Mr. Hill came to Fridley, he said lte has fo�nd no reason to discontinue it, although the men must meet all qualifications a regular police officer must before they are allon*ed to carry a gun. The Police Reserves buy [heir own uniforms and weapons and tliey donate tlleir time for classroom study. The only time they are paid is for part-time detailed work. Mr. Hill stated that the Police Reserves are assigned to particular police teams and work the same shifts as these teams. Some of their duties are house checks, parades,.surveillance. They are not authorized to do anpthing.on their own authority unless absolutely necessary. They can make an arrest only as it relates to a Citizen's Arrest. �� HUMAN RESOURr�S COM,�IISSION MEBTING NOVEMBER 4, 1976 PAGE 8 Mr. Hi11 explained a Citizen's Arresl-. A11 a citizen has to do is observe a crime, detain the person, and turn them over to a police officer. All the Police officer has to be assured of is that there is probable cause for the arrest, Mr. Scott asked Mr, Hill ii he conducts sensitivity training for poLice oificers. Mr. Hill answered that they do not on a routine Uasis. They have had one session since he has come to Fridley. He doesn't personally feel it is tteeded as Fridley doesn't have any outward appearance of a minority problem. Mr. Belgum asked Mr.Hill that of the knowledge Mr. Hill has of the City of Fridley' and other leadership structures in the city, why there is no real public relations or public information flow from the police department to the city. Mr. Hi1I stated he would take exception to the fact that there are none. as they have spent many man hours on the public infor�ation program and it has been a fabulous success, The police also spend a lot of time in the schools. Mr. Hill stated that one of Fridley's major �roblems, in his opinion, is a serious lack of identity. They have a lacic of co*.nmunications. He said he doesn't lmo�a � how to solve this problem. What he would like to see is the old "Ueat" officer- type concept. He wishes he had tfie manpower to have every officer talk to "x" munber of: citizens every day or knock on doors. Right nora Fridley has only 28 policemei:. ir.cluding himself compared tb a population of 33,�00. That is ies� than one officer per 1,000 pe�ple, It takes five palice efficers to.fill. oue posici�n 2�i hours a day . Mr. Bel�um stated that with this communications probl_u�, he has ofL-en th�ugl:t i,. would Ue good business for the citizens if the City 1Vewsletter carried a regular poiice report. Mr.. Hill stated�it�could be�although there are money factors and publiration factors. His concept is that this communit} should put out to the public and, thereafter through the Welcome Wagon, a pamphlet of specific types of laws and orders in this co�uuity that most people have a question about. Ms, Shea asked Mr. Hill what the chances are of women being regular full-time officers and how soon. Mr. Nill stated that the possiblity has been greatly increased. They now have three women on the eligibility roster which is a major achievement. Unfor[unately, the highest woman is fifth on the list, but they are getting there. He doesn't feel any of his 27 officers would have any objection to a female police officer. In closing, Mr. Hill, told the Commission members that the Police Department makes, for internal purposes only, a daily Uulletin which comes out three times a ! day which advises the police officers whal has happened on the two previous shifts: As a result of this bulletin, they make a weekly summary �ahich may not be all i inclusive, but it is pretty close; of what L-ypes of calls a police officer makes, j He read one of these summaries to the Commission, i ' ;���,� sz IiUMAN It�SOURCES COMMISSIO`t MEETI2dG NOV�tS�EK 4, 1976 PAG� 9 The Commission members expressed their appreciation to Mr. Hill for attending L'his meeting. Ms. Shea stated she was sorry that none of [he public had attended thi5 very worthwhile meeting. RECEZVE FRIDLEY ENVIROI3t�UiNTAL CO�ISSION MINUTES, SEPTEMBER 21, 1976: A. Recommendation of Designation by the Fridley Parks & Recreation Coir¢nission for East P.iver Road as a Parkway and Establish Controls by Ordinance as the Fr_dley Parkcaay System, for its Social and Environmental Significance MOTi023 by Harold Belgum, seconded by idilliam Scott, that the Human Resources Commission strongly urges the transformation of East River Road into a parkway/ boulevard-type of thoroughfare. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimousiy. - RECL�IVE MEMO FROM THE i4INNESOTA HUMRN RIGHTS DEPARTMENT, OCTOBER 7,_1976: The Commission members agreed they were not interested in the provision of a trained Human Rights Administrator for their commission. OTHER BUSINESS: COL,UMBIA HEIGHTS HUMAN RIGHTS COhII�fI5SI0N: P1s. Shea stated that it toould be oi benefit if all trie Commi.ssion members co+�ld attend the joint meeting of the Local Commissions on November 11, 1976, sponsored Uy the Columbia Heights Human Rights Commissicn, to be held at the Colcmbia Heights Library at 7:30 p.u�. HUMADT RESOURCES MINI-GRANT PROGRAM (2197): Ms. Shea stated that there is $3,040 in the 6udget for human services, and as far as she can find out, the $1,000 for the Fine Arts Committee is riot part of this $3,000. She said there is no time frame on the Mini-grant ($5,000) and the Commission should try to co��e up with some ideas for a project for $8,000. Mr. Scott stated before they do anythieg aboat this, they should go back an3 review che budgetary requests the Commission had made earlier. Ms. Shea stated that it wasn't official yet, but Ms. Nancy Lambert wi11 be resignin� from the Commission, and that the Commission members should see if they knew of anyone caho might be inCerested in serving on this Commission. � �� HUMAN RESOUP,CES COMMISSION MEL'TING, NOVF,MI3L'R 4, 1976 PAGS 10 ADJOUI2NMENT: MOTION by W:lliam Scott, seconded by Harold Selgum, to adjourn the meeting at 9:30 p.m. Upon a voice vo.*.e, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, J �j � �� ��.a ;; «� c.,_ :,,.,� ,_� , Lynde Saba Recording Secretary "'` 3. .:� .-a , � . „a _ I � �� I i I -,;; � i i i � I � � _a�r _ 1 _ _l��c'�i�rY� . �,�,,..�"��.-' iYie�-.�- _ _ . _ _ � �✓ ,��� 72�w _ _ _ �� >��- � __ _ . _ �� - -- ___ �. i7 �s �� ��� � �iG �'�, ��� �-�.-�-_ � � � �-� � city of rriaiey AGENOA �• PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 17, 1976 ;,-;'. CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSIQN M?NUTES: NOVEMBER 3, 1976 1. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONIfvG REQUEST: ZOA #76-06, BY GEORGEIUwN M07EL, INC.: Rezone rom M-3 heavy in ustria areas to C-2 general business areas), that part of of Lot 2, A.S. #78, lying Ylesterly of the Westerly right-of-way line of Main Street N.E., lying Easter of the Easterly railway right-of way line of Burlington Northern, Inc., lying Northerly of the Northerly right-of-way line of Interstate Highway #694, and lying Southerly of a line drawn Westerly, a't a right angle to the East line of said Lot 2, fr.om a point on said East line distant 507.60 feet Southerly from the Northeas± corner of said Lot 2, except the Westerly 218.61 feet of the descri6ed property, subject to easement to Northern States Power Company, the same being 5600 Main Street N.E. 2. I.OT SPLIT REQUEST.: L.S. r76-12, BY DICK GREGOR: Split the balance of Lot 31, Auditor s Subdivision 729, into two building sites, each 138' x 110' which excepts the West 129 feet of the South 1/2 of Lot 31, and excepis the North 1/2, and allows for a 25' road dedication for 73 1I2 Avenue. Lots will be addressed on 73rd and 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. 3 4 5 REVIEW OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP r a building permit to construct a new service (See Planning Comnission minutes 12/3/75). station. CONTINUED: PROPOSED MAINTENAtyCE CODE: CONTINUED: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT GOAlS AND OBJECTIVES 6. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COhiMISSION MINUTES: OCTO[3ER 25, 1976 7. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES MINUTES: N�VEMBER A, i976 8. � 9. ft�CEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEM[3ER 9, 1976 �y ' : AD�OURNMENT: 7:3Q P. M. PAGES 1 - 14 15 - 21 22 - 24 25 - 29 SEPARATE At meeting 30 - 43 44 - 53 AT MEETING A1 MEETING � CITY OF FftIDLE7 PLAIdNIHG COMh;IS5I0�1 1�.EETIPIG - NOV�•IBEH 3, 1976 CALL TC ORDEI?: Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:36 P.14. ROLL CALL: PAG� 1 Members Present: Harris, Bergman, Langen£eld� Peterson, Schnabel, ::hea Members Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Boardrian, City Planner APPY.OVE PLAN?�IIT�G Cv1•L9ISSIOi: ;:i_1L't^r�: OC1^03F'R 20, 1976 � Mrs. Shea stated that she would like to rebut Afr. Boardman's statement oa page 19 Under Human Develop-ent Goals and Objectives. Sne explained that the reason i'or delay was not that this had been sent to i;uman Resources as it had come rieht back from her Co:rmission� but it was just the lateness of the hour that had caused it to be tabled so many times. Chai:person Harris said it oras so noted. MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission minutes of October 20� 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice cote� all voting aye� the motion carrie3 unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Bergman, to add the Change in hfinnesota State Aid Designation item to the agenda. Upon a voice vote, all noting aye, the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Harris stated they would make the Change In Minnesota State Aid Designation Item 8 on the agenda. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT P.S. �/%6-11 REAL ESTATE 10 ADDITICN, B] FRANCIS J. GIRDLE.R: Being a replat of Lot , except that part thereof lying West of the Northeasterly right of way line of the outer drive of State Trunk Highway //65, and except that part � thereof lying East of a line drawn from a point in the North line of said Lot 5� distant 1,50$•96 Yeet West £rom the N,E. corner thereof to a point in the South line of said Lot 5, distant 1�393.62 feet West from the S.E. corner thereof, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, the same being 951 Hillwind Road N.E. Planning Commission Meeting - November 3, 1976 Page 2 Mr. Francis Girdler was present, along with Councilman Walt Starwalt; Mr, and � Mrs. Harry C. MeKinley� 1010 Lynde Drive� and Mrs. Jerome Johnson, 1000 Lynde Drive. MOTI�N by Bergman� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Co,mmission open the Public Hearing on the Proposed Preliminary Plat� P.S. #76-11� Heal Estate 10 Addition� by Francis J. Girdler. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 7:40. Mr. Boardman explained to tne Planning Commissi.on that they had seen this item before; it had gone past the time limi_t on it so it had to be brought back again for a plat. He stated they were talking about parcel 1300 along Hillwind Road� which was being served with sanitary sewer that was coming in £rom Polk Street. He said that the City did have easement £or that sanitary sewer to parcels 1300 and 113D, and water was being provided tio this property from Hillwind Road. tlr. Boardman added that the development of the property would be for office use, and it was zoned CR-1� which was office zoning. Mr. Girdler stated that the reason this hadn�t gone through before was that the owner o£ the property to the Iv'orth and behind didn't want to provide the easement to tHem, but apparently wanted them to buy the lot to the Plorth. He explained they hadi:'t purchased it but another party had, and the new neighbors to the North joined ir. putting the easement all the way tnrough. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the prooerty to the North was zoned R-1� and Mr. Boardman said it was P�-3' and there was R-3 all the way around, Pir. Girdler � explained that the one house that was in there (two lots away) raas also zoned R-3. Mr. Bergman asked if ne understood that administration had looked at this in regard to proposed water service and sewer� and there was no additional concern £or other utility easement £or electrical, telephone, drainage, or gas. Tir. Boardman said those were all in Hillwind Road, k�Ir. Langen£eld asl;ed i£ there shouldn't have been an Administrat,ive Report on this, and Mr, Boardman replied that was not required. Councilman Starwalt stated that he was present at the request o£ a constituent, and had a couple of questions regarding this. He asked if there was any construction undertaken at the p:esent time on this property, and Mr. Boardman replied there was not any that he was aware o£. Mr. Girdler added that to the North there was� Uut not on this property� azid said this was not a rezoning. Councilman Starwalt asked when this property had been rezoned, and Mr. Boardman replied it had been rezoned to CR-1 about two years ago by an ordinance J�1�911. Mr. P1cKinley stated that he was a bit concerned as he didn't really understand what the plans were for that property. He said he understood there would be a real estate of£ice in that area, but there was already construction started on a building and he just wanted to £ind out what was going on. Chairperson Harris said that if he remembered correctly� Mr. Girdler was completing a request by the City for replatting this £rom the time of the rezoning. Mr. Boardman agreed, and said that was one of the stipulations on the rezoning. �' Planning Commission Meeting - November 3� 1976 Page 3 Mr. Boardman explained that because of the 1ot description'Lhey had requested � a replat instead of a lot split, He said t�e actual legal description would have been too long and lengthy on this, ;o they had req�ted it be replatted instead. He further explained that the building that was being constructed was not on this property in question� but on the property just North of this. Mr. McKinley asked if there would be a real estate oFfice there, and t�'Ir. Boardman said he believed that was the intention and it was zoned properly for that, Mr. i�IcKinley asked i£ there �aould e approxi�ately.,125� o: :ron+.ing, and 1�r. Boardman said that was correct, ts, Mc inley asked rrhat the depth would be, and bfr. Boardman referred him to page of the agenda rrhich showed the layout of where the buildir.g would be located, He explain�d there :�ould be a minimum of a 35� setback, and a double row o£ pa3�king in Pront o£ the building would put it bacl: anout 80'. 1•1r. McKinley asked if there would just be the real estate o££ice or i£ anything further to the East was planned. Mr. Boardman said just.the one building would be a1loFred on the property. Councilman Starwalt stated that a pre-fab home had been mentioned, and explained that as he reca2led when it was before Council notning was said about pre-fab and he just understood the residence that was going in was a single-fa^�ily residence. Chairperson Harris said that a single-£as�ily residence was allowed under this zoning� and Mr. Girdler said they were referring to a l�iausaw home. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the hor��e that was being constructed to the ;rorth was oeing . b�xilt by P;r. Girdl.er, and he rep�ie3 it v;as not. t•irs. Schnabel roted that on the form hir. Girdler had :illed out i'or this reouest it stated a real � estate of£ice building� and asked i£ there would be other offices. I:r. Gi:�dler replied there would not be� just their ewn facility. Mrs. NeKinley asked iF this construction would leave the way open for rr�ltiple dwellings in this area. She explained the apartment building in back o£ tre property in question was c?�arging their tenants extra rent £or allo*.aing tnen to have pets. Mrs. P1cKinley said they had gone through the expense o£ putting up a G�clone £ence to keep their dog in because of tlie leash law, and the apartment dwellers exercised their animals £reely out there. She explained they would like to keep other multiple dr;ellings out o£ there because there was never enough room for the children and there i•ras also the pet problem. She stated she was wondering i£ the replat i�:ould in any way possibly allow a rezoning. Chairperson Harris said that this had nothing to do with rezoning� and explained this was alread,y zoned commercial. He said th2t to rezone hould take another Public Hearing by tne Planning Corunission, a Public Hearing oy the City Council and Sinal action by the City Council. Mr. Harris asked ii the problem regarding the dogs was that they were running loose. Mrs, t�icKinley said that most ran loose, and only one appeared to be on a leash. She stated there h*as a large Siberian Husky, a water spaniel, and 2 couple of German Shepherds. Chairperson Harris said that Fz�idley did have a leash laM and a dog patrol, and if the animals were unleasned perhaps the City Staf£ could look into it, hirs. Shea commented that tne dog patrol was only available in the mornings� which was quite disconcerting. Mr. Harris said that perhaps the situation should be examined and remedied. � Planning Commission Meeting - November 3� 1976 Page � MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission close the Public Iiearing on the Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. /{76-11, Real Estate � 10 Addition� by Francis J. Girdler, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mrs.Schnabel said that she ;aas a little disturbed that they had one little section of land that was commercial; that bothered her more than the replatting process� but she said it was beyond their scope at Chis point. She added that she didr.'t understand how one lot in the middle of all. the R-3 got a corunercial zoning on it, as that entire area �ras strictl,y either R-1 or R-3 with the exception of the corner where the filling station was. Chairperson tiarris co.mmented that he didn�t know how it haopene3 as it occurred beiore he was on the Planning Commission. i4rs. Schnabel stated that it was going to seem a little strange wnen that area got £illed in, and i•1r. Harris agreed but said there was nothir.g they could do about it now. MOTION by Bergman, seconded. by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commiss'�vn recommend to Council approval o� the proposed preliminary plat, P.S. /�'%6-11, Real Estate 10 Addition, by Francis J. Girdler: Being a replat of Lot 5, except that part thereo£ lying l^lest o£ the Ptortrieasterly right of wa;+ line of the outer drive o£ State Trunk Highway �65, and except that part thereoi lying East of a line draYrn from a point in the Piorth line of said Lot �, distant 1�505.96 feet West £rom the N.E, corner thereof to a point in the South line of said Lot 5� distant 1,393.62 feet West from the S.E. corner thereof� Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, the same being 951 Hillwind P�oad id.E. Mr. Langen£eld stated that he agreed with Mrs. Schnabel in regard to the � spot zoning� but felt they had no recourse but to grant the preliminary plat under the conditions. UPOP1 A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimonsly. 2. LOT SPI�IT REQUEST: L.S. fi{76-10, BY THOMAS SKII3A: Sp1it Lot 11� Auditor's Subdivision No. 129� into thrc:e parcels as £ollows: ^tract A: All of the West 165 £eet of Lot 11� A.S. #129, lying Ivortherly of the South 11�7 feet thereof: Same as 11�65 Onondaga Id,E. (already built upon)� Tract B: The East 75 feet of the hest 165 feet of the South 11�7 Feet of Lot 11, A.S. #/129, sarne being 1l�6'j Onondaga N.E. (vacant), and Tract C: The Vlest 90 feet of the South 1l�7 feet of Lot 11� A.S. �/129� the same being 7�t20 Bacon Drive N.E. (vacant). P4r. Thomas Skiba was present, Mr. Boardman explained that this was a simple lot split� and Mr. SkiUa wanted to divide the property that c�ras located on Lot 11 into three parcels: one 90' and two 75'. He said there was a house presently existing on the 90' parcel. Mr. Skiba stated that Bacon Drive was in and went a1I the way through from Onondaga Street to 75th. � Pl aruiing Commission Aleeting - November 3, 1976' Page $ � Chairperson Harris asked how far the house on Tract C was off of the proposed center lot line between C and B, and Mr. Skiba replied approximately 32'. r�r. Harris asked if there was some reason i•s. Skiba was maintaining 90' on the lot that the house was alread,y on� and A!r. Skiba explained he had purchased the balance of thc property which resulted in /+ and B from the o-waer of the original property, and this was what the original oi.mer wanted. He explair.ed he did not own Tract C. Chairperson Harris asked if drainage and utility easements were provided, and f•Ir. Boardman replied that none were needed on the property. He er.plained that had taken 20� for the street and all utilities wsre in tne street. I✓r. Boardman said that as far as he was aware, they didn't have any problem as far as easements. Chairperson Aarris noted that there app�ared to be an alley or access easement that ran dokn the side o£ the property to Lot 5. He said it was just to the West of the property and appeared to be about 20' wide, I�Ir. Skiba explair.ed that this was a piece of property the oi•iginal owner had let go ta�c Forieit; he had traded the 20' that was used for Bacon ➢rive for this 20'� so it was part of the parcel. Councilman Starwalt explained that the strip in question at one time did belong to Mr. Flannery, but was traded for street access. He stated it went back `t3 early days o£ survey when things didn't quite line up as irel�. Tir. Stan:alt explained that originally it was not Iyr. Flannery's, but he ended up acquiri:,g � it simply because nothing else could be don e with it; originall;� it was not a part of this property, but did becone a part. He explained it was an ag:ee- ment between P7r. Flannery and the City, Chairperson Aarris sai.d that then the 20� was part of the property now� and P;r. Starwalt said that o:as correct. 9e said that it was his impression that the property now looked at as A, B and C did include the 20'� but two years ago it didn�t. 2•Ir. Peterson zsked if he was correct in saying that the 40' that uas presently shorn as Tract C included the 20' they were discussing� and Nir. Starwalt said that was correct. ;ir, Boardman stated that then the das�c line on page 30 should include the 20' strip. Chairperson Harris said he was hondering about the legal description on A& C, and if it shouldn't somehow include that 20'. He said that Lot 11 would have been replatted tiahen this other parcel i:as acquired to include the property. CounciLmar Starwalt said Lhat to his imo�aledge it was replatted approxi:�ately tzao years ago. hfrs. Schnabel asked what the date o£ the survey was, and Pir. Boardman replied it was done on October 21� 1976. Chairperson Harris suggested they check to see that Lot 11 was replatted to make sure that the 20' was included. Mr. Boardman said they would check that out in time for the Council meeting. He asked the Commission if they wanted this to go on to Council, or if they would prefer to have it come back to the Planning Cormnission. Chair- person Harris said it was up to the members. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Skiba if tirning was of importance to him so he would appreciate it being handled at this meeting� and Mr. Skiba replied it was. � Planning Commission Meeting - November 3, 1916 Page 6 Mr. Bergman said he was a bit conPnsed about the street pattern and right o£ � way. He stated that looking at Bacon Drive on page 30 of the agenda, there appeared to be a 30' dedication off of Hitzeman Addition. A�. Boardman explained the City did have a 50' right of way off �acon Drive; the 30' off Hitzeman and the 20' to the west. He explained that the 20' was the same 20' that appeared on page 29 marked "taken £or street"� and was an existing rignt o£ way. MOTIOid by Peterson, seconded by Schnabel, tha{: the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of Lot Split Reouest L.S. �{"16-10, by Thomas Skiba: Split Lot 11� Auditcr'c Sub3ivision No. 129, into three parcels as follows: Tract A: All of the Flest 16� £eet of Lot 11, A.S. ,�129, lying Aiortherly o£ tne South 1I�7 feet thereof: Same as 1l165 Onondaga N.E. (already built upon)� Tract B; The East 7� feet of the West 165 feet oi' the South 1l�7 feeL of Loi: 11, A.S. //129, same being ll�b% Onondaga N,E. (vacan+), and Tract C: The West 90 feet oS the South 11�7 feet o£ Lot 11, A.S. //129, the same being 71t20 Bacon Drive P1.E, (vacant)� with the stipulation that the.replat is as the Planning Commission understar.ds it (the 20' noted on page 30 is indeed included in the 165� as shown on page 29) and Mr. Boardrnan is to have that assurance before it goes to City Council. Upon a voice voLe, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 3. CONTIDfUED: ftEVI�v] OF PRCPOSID �iAINTENA]VCE CODE MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Corunission hold � this discussion on tne proposed maintenance code to � hour maxirnum. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the mativn carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman stated that he had gone tA.rough initial parts o'' the maintenance code and found a lot of personal disagreement with what he had gone througii. He said he would be glad to briefl5� run tnrough what he vras talking abont Por other members to comment. Mrs. Schnabel said that before he proceeded� she was wondering i£ anything ' had been done concerning breaking up the maintenance code into various sections as discussed at the last Ylanning Comn:ission meeting. Mr, Boardman said that there were four sections ir. the proposed maintenance code: residential, exterior maintenance £or residential� commercial and industrial, and exterior maintenance for commercial and industriaL Nirs. Scnnabel noted that they had also talked about breaking out apartments and mobile homes fro:� R-1, and ISr. Boardman said they could easily be broken out because they were in separate sections o£ the code. He said that it was his understanding that the intent for tabling was to give direction to the subcommissions, t•1r. Boardr�an explrained this would be sent down to the member commissions and at that time the Plar:ning Conunission should give them some directicn as to what to look at. 3�e said he was wondering how this would fit in as far as breaking down the code and that type o£ discussion. Chairperson Harris suggested sending the member conm�issions one section at a time. � Plannin� Commission Meeting - November 3, 1976 Page 7 � Mr. Peterson stated that although he hadn't been at the October 20th meeting� he had tried to sense the direction of the discussion in the minutes and it seemed to him that one o£ the things everyone was concerned about was the invasion of hvman privacy. He stated that in light of i:d�at 1dr. Boardman was saying, he thought that the Planning Cornmission should ask the Eiuman Resources Commission to look at this i'rom the standpoint of invasion of privacy. .ir. Peterson added that it also seemed to t:im that the }Yivironmental �lual.ity Commission should look at it £rc:n the stand�oint of what it does to the total co.�nmunity. He stated tn�t was erhat he thought they were looking at in their action at this meet:ng in terms oi sending it to other member commissions, and suggested asning t:�e mem`uer cc:nmissions to look at ine specific areas where they had concerns rather than the memoe^s oS the Planning Commission spending time discu�sing the specific concerns tonight, Mr. Bergman commented that t;e £elt there t,as a lot more to do with it than that. He said he read through section 220.22 and had co:ie up with a lot o£ questions. He said he didn�t �.aani to so-�nd derogatory on this� but asked what they were trying to do, Chairperson Fiarris asked if ne could interrupt, and suggested that perhaps they could iron out the procedural end o£ this first and then discuss Mr. Bergman�s concerns with it at that tine. FIe s�:ated he was in hopes of giving the merabe: co;nnissions the direction they had talked abeut £rom the Human Pesources aspect and F�?vironnnental aspect, and -�•zggested that perhaps they snould first carve it up into the piec�s they wanted to send to them, � Mr. Bergman stated that he did not agree they should send them this proposed code. He said that he �ot the impressicn that somebody did a lot of librar5� work and pulled together a lot o£ dialogue £rom difi'erent sources and put down whatever appe �red relatice. He said thzt this seemed to result in �ome- w hat overbearing dialogue, such as in the Preanble, 220.02. He stated that 220.03 �.as primarily di:ected at constsR:ction codes other than maintenance, and he thought it was a duplication of construction code re£erence. AIr. fiergman said he didn't think they had to take everything out oi the Iiealth Inspector's Codes� building codes, Safety Inspector's Codes or all trades codes and put them together in something like this. He said he thought thsy should adopt them by re£erence relative to construction ar;d cut this down by 60% or more and address this as a r.;aintenr,nce code� ;,�hich is ;ahat the title is, He added that in the Scope, 22�.03, xnat h� was talking about becane fairly obvious. T�ir. Bergman stated there were a lot oS duplications in the proposed maintenance code, and even the Health Inspeci;or was brought in there and he didn't know why the Health Inspector should be included ir. the maintenance code. Mr. Bergman read one of the objectives under 220.07� to the Commission: "To correct and prevent conditions that adversely affect or are likely to adversely af£ect the li£e� saSet�, general welfare� and health, including tlte physical� mental, and social well being of persons using non-residential facilities within Fridley", He said he didn�t lmow why they were doing all that as an objective. • Mr. Bergman stated that another objective, to provide minimum standards £or heating, sanitary equipment� lighting� and ventilation necessary to health and safety, was another duplication oY other codes. He said thai providing Plsnning Commission Meeting - November 3, 1976 Page 8 minimum standards usually applied to a construction code rather than a mainten, ance code� and he thought a lot of this would be dii'ficult to enforce. He added that also� there was no de£inition of maintenance in the proposed code� and he thought it iaas way overdone in geaeral. Mr. Ber�man said he also thought this was discriminating a�aznst lot+ and m�derate income people� as the City could go into their homes and tell them they have to put in windows, ete.� because their kiouse doesn't come up to this standard. Mr. Bergman said he felt there vras a sizable rework of this code be£ore sending it down to mernber commissions� and repeated that he felt it was overburdenin�; and wa�v overdone, He stated that i£ the purpose of tl:e code was what he thought it was� it siiould be more inclin�d to treat exterior aesthetics, He added that he didn't see why they had to tell someone that everythir,g must be water-tight from a maintenance viewy as the home owner should be concerned r,ith that. He sLated he was not sure that t�ras an area where the City had to get involved, Mr, Boarc�.man replied that in some cases, such as rental properties� they should gc:t involved. He explained that if the.maintenance on the property zaent way doVm9 the lioability could be detri- mental to the health, safety and well being of the people who lived there. Mr. Peterson stated that basically what Nfr. Boardman h*as sa,y-ing c1as that they were putting to�ether a resideniial and non-residential maintenance code so the City could quali£y to get rent subsidies through HUD, rir. Board- man said that c,ras not true� and that they d�_cin�t need the housing maintenance code to get rent subsidies. He stated t!�at one of the stipulations that the Plaruiing Corunission placed on going to the Section 8 progra� wa,s that a • housing rnaintenance code be developed. ,'•1r. Boardman said they nad pulled ordinances together that other communities were using� and also re£er:ed to a standardized housing maintenance ordinance. He explained they had becn in contact with St, Louis Park, $loomingtcn, Ri.chfield, Brooklyn Cer.ter, New Brighton� and i�iosndsview, and rignt now :aere gaihering information on how those communities maintain them, �rhat t,y�pe of personnel the5 use� and the cost of the program to them. He said that it se�med to him that St. Louis Park was probably the City in the metro area that was doing the most with the program as iar as going out anci requiring t:ork to be done at the time of change of ownerships and this type of thing. Mr. Boardman ihrther explained that in r�ost cases the codes were set up strictly on a complaint basis, and most o£ them dealt strictly with apartments and did not go into residential. Mr. Boardman said that they had put together something that may be a little overburdeni.ng and may be hard to enforce, but suggested that the Commission work on it and cut it down� and at some point make a good cvde that was en£orceable and would serve its purpose. Mr, Langenfeld said that he agreed with Mr. Eergman� and added that he felt it looked'like maybe some of the interas just tlirew Lhis code together. He stated he felt that this was a violation of the original housing plan� and although they did want a maintenance code he i'elt this particular one was very discriminatory. Mr. Langenfeld said that in respect to the FSivironmental aspects� it seemed to him that most of the code applied to already existing . Planning Commission Meeting - Fiovember 3� 1976 Page 9 � dxellings. He said he felt that the major part of the environmental impact had already taken place. He suggested that perhaps this proposed code could be used as a guideline in order to obt2in I'ridley�s m.aintenance code. i�fr. Langenfeld said that with regar,'. to 2Ar, Ber�man's statement, he felt that when you spoke in terms of maintenance� underneath that there would be various forms of construction, He explained that in order to maintain anything there had to be f'orms of construction. i��r. Peterson asked what is .ras they reall}� wanted to accomplish ::ith this code. He stated that when the Comprenensive Housing Plan was adcpted there was a plank in it that said soc�etning 2bont rnaintenance� but he didn't recall any specific objec�ive tnat they hoped to cover under that plank o` maintenance. 1•Ir. Peterson said he recalled tne Chairman said at that time it rnade him nervous and thought it o:ould be a rather explosive issue. He added ihat he still didn't know w�at they were trying to accomplish, and w;�en they started writing a code without knowing wnat they really wanted to acco:nplish they r:andered and nothing really hapuer.ed. Chairperson Harris sugges�ed that perhaps they should define maiatenance. }•7r. Bergman said he had thought that they� weuld be addressing aesthetics; neighborhood preservation� whicn is primarily an appearance factor, ar:d control of degradation, which is primariiy an appearance factor. He stated he had thought it was primarily an aesthetic concern. iMr. Boardman explained that a housing naintenance code was not set up necessarily for the outside c:aintenance of the house, but also for tne structural maintenance of that house. He said that if there was structural damage to the house which made tnat house a hazard to live in or at least detrimental to the health� safety and welfare of that pe:son, there shculd be some code to require the repair of that structure. i•ir. Berg..^.zn asked i£ they didn�t nave that now, and ii a Building Inspector couldn't go to that house and say the structure was detrimental to the health, safety and xel£are of the occupznts. Ms. Boardm� said they did not. Mrs. Shea asked if there hadn't been a complaint recertly concerning an apartment in the City bFing unsafe, and unrier what rule the City could act on that. Mr. Boardc�an repl�ed that they might go out ar.d talk to tne apart- ment oc�rner about it, but they ha.d no authcrity to enforce any repair or maintenance of that structure, Chairperson Harris stated that brought up another point, and asked for what reason they c.ere licensing apart:nents. t•ir. Boardman said that the Fire riarshal did inspect the apartments, but cnly those public areas such as entrances, exits and that type o£ thing. ,Sr. Harris noted there was a fee for the licensing procedure� and asken what the City did for that fee. Atr. Boardman replied that as far as he knew, it was Tor the fire inspection. h'ss. Schnabel stated that she thought when the code talked about minimum standards and said there must be a table or counter for £ood preperation, • it was getting beyond the scope of what they meant by maintenence. She said she thought there were a number o£ things they should get at in a maintenance Planning Commi.ssion Meeting - November 3, 1976 Page 10 code: 1) Ekterior maintenance of the property throughout the City in regard . to private residential, rental properties and businesses, and 2} Something that would deal with interior minimum structural design which would be beneficial for the health and saFety of the persons in these structure�, but rnost specifically in regards to renta7. property as well as public places. Mrs, Schnabel suggested the,y might have some type of maintenance code built around those tiav specific concepts (interior and exterior)� kith a view towards deterioration, paz-ti.cularly in rerita� property� as opposed to gettinp, into such minute detail as there appeared to be in the document they had nom*. Mr. Peterson stated that he had two quest9.ons: 1) In man,y households tY,ere was a shortage o£ cash with quite regular frequency, and if a 3uilding Inspector told one of these homeowners that he had to do certain z,epairs to his dwelling and it was be,yond thst person's means at that time; were they going to kick him out?� �d 2) Is the licensing oS the apartrent a yearly thing? t•ir. Boardman replied it was. Mr. Peterson said that then he felt the licensin6 should be strengthene.d to take care of what they were looking far as far as protecting the renter. He stated tt!at if the tenant and th� apartment owner got in a dispute over the color of paint, this was beyond what the City government was meant to do. Mrs. Schnabel said that there were certain mir.imums which rental property must naintain, such as heat, lighting, proper safety exits, etc. Mr. Bergr,ian said he didn't think the City shou�d eet into the heating question. rie state9 that the Building Codes req•aised adequate systems, and wnat tne rerson � set i:he thermostat on shou].d be bettiaeen the occupant and the manager. hirs. Schnabel pointed out that, the City o£ t�.inneapolis did have a re�u3ation which stated that a minimLUn oF 68�F'. must be maintained in a rsntal structure� and she didn't think that was unfair. hs. Peterson commented i,hat he could see where stairways and lighting should be maintained so the structures wouldn�t become death traps. Chairperson Harris stated that their time limit was almost up, and suggested that the Commission members take this ander cansideration and go home and think about it. He said that then at the next rneeting they snould put forth some ideas on what they thought should Ue in the maintenance code and give direction to Staf£. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergrnan, that tiie Planning Comnission consi3er the proposed maintenance code and be orepared to contribute ideas on what they thought should be in the code at the next meeting, and at that time give direction to Staff. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. �. CONTINUED: HU1�fAN DEVELOPTfENT GOALS [�ND OBJ�CTIVES Mr. Boardman said that at this time he was looking for direction on Human Development Goals D200 and D300. He said they had response back from the Human Resources Commission� and his meaning in the Planning Commission minutes . Planning Commission hleeting - November 3, 1976 Page 11 � of the last meeting was not to say that the Human Resources Commission was being slotia, but Selt that the member commissions should have a chance to review the total package. He explained that instead o£ separating the goal statements and sending them down every time there was a new one, he thought they should wait until the whole package was put together and send the whole thing. Mr, I3oardman said that he thought the Goal Statements had been approved in the rrhole fiw,an Developrnent area, and now tne Progr.,�n Objectives had to be approved. Mr. Bergman said he had looxed it all over and thought it looked g:eat with one exception� and that :ras Program Objective D310, He stated tnat implied hiring someone to be t:iat "clearino-house oi inforr�ation"� and he didn�t agree with that. Mr. Boardman said they wouldn't be hirir.g a�y more people� ar:d explained what he meant was the City of Pridley wculd have such an attitude that the citizens conld call £or information. I✓,r. 13erg:can asl.ed i£ he would be willing to change "position" to "posture", and 2�?r. Boardnan said that would be fine. Mrs. Schnabel noted that D300, D310 and D330 uere all dealing with public in£ormation and wondered if Pir, Boardman really wanted three separate delineations o£ what appeared to be three very similar-type operations. Mr. Boardman rep].ied he did, and explained that D3�� cias a general Goal. Statement. He said he fe?t t�ere were Pour areas in uhich they could break tnis down: 1) Becorne �r: in:or.aa`..ior. storehouse For the residente� 2) Provide � adequate redress and reasonable access to i;he aF£airs o; local gover:unent, 3) Build an efficiency into tne dissenination oF information, and l�) Promote cooperation and mutual i:nderst��din,c,. MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Peter�on, that the Plann_ng Cemmission concu.^ t.*ith the Goal Statements and Progr:s� Objectives or. pages 31 and 32 o£ the agenda (Goa1 Statements D200 a�d D3'�0). Upon a coice vcte� all voting aye, the motion carried una-�imously. , Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 9:10 P.hI, and reconvened the meeting at 9:20 P.PS. 5. RECrI��E MEr�O FRO*i J�tROLD E�JAHlli•`.�N CIiY PLANN�4 ON "_'HE PP��PA.ATIO:d nc� n,-.�:z�.nnic nn.; trr nn,.nsr�"-nnic NSO`TION by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergmar:, thai the Planning Com:nission receive the memo to Al1 Chairpersons of Cit.y Commissions from Jerrold Boardman dated October 29, 1476 regarding Agendas £or Meetings. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. r1r. Soardman stated that they were going to print with the calendar £or next year� and the dates noted on page 33 of the agenda were the dates • being set for the various Commissions. He said that he would like some kind Planning Commission Meeting - November 3, 1976 oF concurrence with these dates. Chairperson Aarris noted that the calendar schedule was were doing now� and aslced if this was agreeable to all The Commissioners agreed it was. page 12 basically what they the Commission members. Mr. Boardmen said he also w��ted to m�ntion that i£ the Chairperson from one of the member commiersonsto contaot hiseVace Chairp-ErsonC� Air•SPetersoning, it ��ras up to that p A � he had been said that at the time of the last Plaruting Comriission me.,tinb �d asked out of town and his Vice Chairperscn had also been out of toan, what the procedure was at this poini, i�ir. Board:na at]ahehPlanningeCorr�nission both going to be gone� there wou�d he an empty meeting.' He added he just wanted each C�ai.rperson to understand it was his responsibility to contact the Vice Chairperson and get the information to him. 19, 1 v• `y enfeld stated he wou].d like the £irst sentence on page i� o£ the Mr. Lang Fridley L7ivironmental C�rrmission minutes to be corrected to read tha his motion to recommend the moratorium to the City Council died for luck of a second. MOTIOI4 by Langenfeld� seconded b;� Schnabel� that the Plannin� Commission receive t.he ES�vironmental @u��te �thelmotoonmcarried unanlm us�y � 1976• Upon a voice vote� all voting ay � Chairperson Harris noted h rd and diligently. 3SION NIINTES: OCTOBER 26 1976 that as usual� the Appeals Corunission was working very a MOTION by Schnabel� seconded by Shea� that the Plannin6o °a voicenvote,lall the Appeals Cocnmission minutes of Octcber 26� 19"/6• UP voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. • i g, CHA2dGE IN MINNESOTA STItTE AID DESIGt:ATION to the Planning lained tnat this was �>omething that came )rearly Mr. BoarcLnan eXP eaz, they sunmarized the recommended State Aid designations Corr,�nission; every y roved and the�15m�ecommendations�landethatathenLeigheTerrace plat wassappem wa. this y resently had th �Jay out, to East River Road� and were su�gesting by the Planning Commission. He £urther explained that �eY p N.E. a State Aid designation on 75 ed to that portion of Osborne Way that State Aid designation be e�an�ibit A. which tied up to Osborne� as P � Planning Commission Meetin� - Noverober 3, 1976 Page 13 iMr. Bergman asked i£ the original extension of 75th Way would be vacated� and Mr. Boardman replied they would delete that from State Aid designation but it would sti11 be a street as there had to be a street there to serve the progerties that were off o£ that. Chairperson harris said it seemed those two intersections were quite close together� and I�r. Boardman replied they were, but that was the way it had been approved by the City and County. }30TION by Peterson� seconded by Berg;�an� tnat the Plannir,g Co�.^�ission recommend to Council the change in A;innesota State Aid desigr.ations to allow modi£ications to the intersecti�n of Osborne Road and 'r;ast River Road as follows: A. Delete the M.S.l,, designation of 75th Y7ay and add Osborne j•Iay R.E. as per E�hibit A, B. Rescind easement on East side of Talmadge Lane and acquire easement on 'r7est side o£ Talmadge Lane as per Ekhibit B. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye� the motion carried unanir,ously. CT1iER BUSINnSS: � Mrs, Schnabel stated tha� she would like to point out to the members of tne Cornmission the City Gouncil minutes o£ their October 18th toeeting and tha discussion concerning the Appeals Cerc�ission minutes on the request by Mr. and 1�irs. Robert Tomczalc o£ 999 Overton Drive N.E. S�e said this dealt with the natter o£ allos,-ing the construction of a swiruning pool in the front yard� and explained the Appea2s Commission and denied the request on a vote of 3- 1 and it r;ent to the City Eouncil, rirs. Schnabel explained the reason she was bringing this to their attention was that the Gity Council tabled that request and decided it t•;ould appear as another subject for their meeting oi November 22nd cahen tney would discuss suostand�rd lots. She said that since they were all invited to attend that meeting, she wanted them to be a�aare that this would be another item that would be on the agenda. Chairperson Harris said that he had noticed a public notice in the newspaper concerning an improvement to put in a railroad crossing at 79th Street, and thought that before that happened it should come to the Plannin� ComTiission. tfr. Boardman said he 3meia nothing about that� but would check on it. Mr. Boardman said he wanted to mention that the City Council had discussed garage requirements at their last meeting, and would be sending it back to the Plannin� Corunission to act on accordingly when the Ciiy did a rezoning change. He said in other words, they felt the present code was suf£icient now to handle the situation� and if the Planning Commission wanted to make changes it should be done at the time of recodification, t�1rs. Schnabel asked if the Council agreed or disagreed with the philosophy behind the motion, and . Planning Commission Meeting - November 3� 1976 Page 1� Mr. IIoardman replied they didn�t ;:y. He stated that he wished he would have handled this a bit differently, and thought that from now on instead o£ sending• things on to the City Council asking what they th�ught they should start setting them up as Public Hearings before the Planning Canmission and send it on as a resolution, Mr. Boardman said then the decision would be made at this level an3 Council would have to vote it up or down. Mr. Peterson said that although the minutes of' the Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of October 26th were not yet availaUle� i;hey did contain a discussi.on on the Fridley Youth Ccnter. He stated that each of the rne�nber cornmissions had been asked to look at tne Articles of Incorporation, and the Parks and Recreaticn Coir,rnission _iad studied them ;�nd decided t't�ey didn�t want to get involved in telling tl,e l;ids they had to chan�e the artic�es. $e said that Parks and Recreation did decide they vaanted {;o handle this like any other non-profit organization operatin� tiaithin the City oi �ridley that had its own Articles of Incorporation, t-.r. Peterson explained the agreement would then be harunered out between the Parks and Recreation and that organzsation concerning the r,�les and terins on the way they could use the property, etc. He said that for instance, the Hockey P.ssociation could use the rinYsJ but in order to use the rink^, thc;y had to a�ree to certain stipulations with the City. rir. Peterson explained that if Park> and Hecreaticn was going to be charged with the responsibility for the Fridley Yout}i Center, they would allow the youths to have their own organizatior. but wanted to work wiih them concerning the agreemen{, on how they could use the propert;�. ;le £urther explained that wnS_le the kids snould 'cave the o;�portunity to r�m their own organiz2tion, Parks and Recreation iel.t ver3� uneasy about people using � City property without any type of agreernent on rules and regulations. He said that this way they wou:Ld be consistent taith every other non-profit organization. ADJOUPnTSFNT t�,OTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris der.lared the Planning Commission meeting of November 3, 197� �djourned at 9:l�0 P.M. by unanimous vote. Hespectfully subrnitted, �'� ���,���c�.��� Sherri 0'Donnell Recording Secretary • � LJ TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: OFFICIAL N�TICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMIIISSION Notice is hereby given Planning Commission of the University Avenue Northeast P.M. in the Council Chamber � that there will be a Public City of Fridley in the City on Wednesday, November 17, for the purpose of: Hearing of the Hall at 6431 1976 at 7:30 Consideration of a rezoning reques*, ZOA n76-06, by Georgetown Motel, Inc., to rezone from I4-2 (heavy industrial areas), to C-2 (general business areas), that part of Lot 2, Auditor's Subdivision No. 78, Anoka County, Minnesota, lying Westerly of the Westerly right-of-way line of Main Street N.E., lying Easterly of the Easterly railway riaht- of-vray line of Burlington P�orthern, Inc., lying Northeriy of the Northerly right-of-way line of Interstate Highway No. 694, and lying Southerly of a line dra�an Westerly, at a right angle to the East line of said Lot 2, from a point on said East line distant 5U7.60 feet Southerly from the Northeast corner of said Lot 2, except the Westerly 218.61 feet of the described property, subject to easement to Northern States Power Company, all lying in the South Half of Section 22, T-30, R-24, City of fridley, County of Anoka, Ninnesota. Generally located at 5600 Main Street N.E., just North of Interstate No. 694 on the West side of Main Street N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter may be heard at this time. Publish: N�vember 3, 1976 November 10, 1976 � RICHARD H. NARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION r� � IJ CI1'1' OP FR7D1.L'Y AIIN�EiSO'PA pLANN1�G RND ZO1.ItiG FO('sY wuruscR �i'A�� I�.�L� � , � APPLICANT'S STGNA'fURG Cill,_�� �- ' - � AdJress Geor etown Motel, Tnc. G11 Hamilton Dlvd. Peoria, Illinois 61602 Telephone Number�09�_673-59°4 _ BUI2LII.GTON NOI2TFI�RN INC. PROPER'f1` OI�NER`S SIGNA1URli ���r +� � � —��'ti;ce re�t Address 176 E. Sth St , St Paul M3nn. SSiol �i..C+ TYPE OF RiiQUEST X Rezoning Special Use Pcrni: Approval of Pre��i;� inary $ Pinal Pi�;: Strects or Allcy Vacations Other Telephone 12umber 29$'234E Fee $ 100 Receipt t�o. Street Location oL Property Fiain Street N.E. Portion oi Lot 2 Auciitor`s Subd. �o. :u Legal Description of Property :�1toka_Count��, :�linnesota.__�_.�__._� Present Zonin�; Classification �;-2 Existino l)se of Property��nr ' + DescriUe Uriefly tne proposed zonino cla,sifica: Acreage of Property 4.60 - or type of use and impro��ement proposed C-2> C-2S Motel Restaurant •• Has the present applicant previously sought to rezene, plat, oUtain a]ot split o: vaxi.2nce or special use perr,iit on the subject site or part of it? yes X no. •{1'hat was Tequested and when? • � The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all :esidents and o�.�ners of pronc_':: within 300 feet (350 feet for rezonin�) r..ust Le attached to this application. (b) '17iis application must be signed Uy all otianers of the property, or an e�plaiiati�: giaen �,}iy this is not the case. (c) Responsi.Uility for any de:ect in the proce�cii:. resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residcnts and pxoperty oirncrs of property in question, Uelcr�;s to the undersid^ed. A sketch of proposed proi�erty and stiv cture must be dra�an and attached, sho:+in� �'�" follotioing: 1. North Direction. 2. Locatien of propose:l structiire on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed struct.ure, and front and side sotbacks. 4. Street Names. S. Location and usc of adjacent eaisting buildin;s (within ��� � The undersigned hereby declares that all the facts and representa*_ions �tatad ='� tf�= applic�tion are true and correct. , eor:etown i�;ot,ls, inc. DATG 1Q-14�-'j6 SIGNATUItC ��y �-� �� ° �-.�f __� (AV4' LICA�"l' ) Datc Filed Date of fic Plannin�; Commission Approvcd City Council Approved (datcs) Dcnicd (clatcs) llenicd MAILING LIST � ZOA #76-06, 6eorgetown Motel> Inc. Midland Co-op 5320 t�ain Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Carl T. George Georgetown Motel, Inc. 411 Hamilton Blvd. Peoria, I1linois 61602 Burlington Northern, Inc. C/0 J. C. Kenady 176 East 5th Street St. Paul, Minnesota 55101 Holiday Village North 4567 West 80th Street Bloomington, Minnesota 55437 (Jerome Jensen Bradley Steinman) • � Planning Commission 11/3/76 Council � � � • �E��GET�3�(tV iillOT'ELS , T. M. Mr. Darrel Clark Community Dev. Administrator 6431 University Ave., N. E. Fridley, Minn. 55432 Dear Darrel: • SUITE 1316 SAVINGS C�NTER TOWER . 411 Hamilton Boulevard • P�ORIA, ILLINO[S, 61602 • Phone 309/673-5994 October 15, 1976 Enclosed you will find the anplication for the rezoning of the Burlington Northern property on Main Street in Fridley for a motel and a restaurant. Also enc�ossed are si_te plans for the project and a check for $3#�:{�O�to cover the re- zoning fee. If any other information or materials are needed please inform us and we will get them to you as soon as pos- sible. I would appreciate your informing me of the date of the zoning hearing as soon as you possibly can so that some of us can be present for the hearing. Hoping to hear from you soon, I remain CTG:je Enc. Sincerely yours . �. �' (!. � � � ��� `� Carl T. George ]� r�7 e � � �: . ,� . .r+.s� � �.ain 'J . � i� � i ' r.:. � M:��F� ! �� i f,: `!/ , � F. � : �. ����� � � ����3 ��� 6431 UNIVERSITY qVENUE N.E., FRIDIEY, ldINNE50TA 55432� � ; �s.'1:;:: ' Carl T. George ,",,. ,f� Georgetown htotels '�.' Suite 1316 Savings Center Tovrer . ',` /.' 411 Hamilton Boulevard ; .�` Peoria, Illinois 61602 • Re Dear Mr. George: TEL'cPHONE ( 612)571-3450 October 19, 1976 Application for Rezoning for htain Street Property, Fridley, Mirnesota. Due to a fee schedule change effective July 8, 1976, the previous 5100.00 rezoning fee has been changed to $155.00. I am returning your check, along with your application so that it may be resubrnitted arith the appropriate fee amount. In the meantime, I will start the rezoning process so that you will not 6e unnecessarily delayed by this fee change. However, I would request that this item be taken care of as soon as possible so that unnecessary delay of the process will not be required. The time table for the rezoning will be as follows: P�ovember 17, 1976 - Public Hearing before the Planning Commission December 6, 1976 - City Council - Set Public Hearing January 10, 1977 - Public Hearing before the City Council January 17, 197� - City Cauncil final decision If you are going to follow this schedule, it will be necessary for you to submit your fee by November 17, 1976. Also, it will be necessary to submit a landscape plan and elevation drariings beofre the November 17th meeting. If it is possible, I ti,�ould like to get these drawings before PJovember 10, 1976 so I will have time to revieti•i the proposal. I would also like to meet with you or your repre�entatives, sometime before that meeting, to discuss possible stipulations. Please contact me on an appropriate date for this meeting. If you have any further questions, please feeT free to contact me at 612- 571-3450. . '\,�' cc: Darrel Clark °�`,.�' ..JLa/de .. d.�C�i :. Sincerely, JERR�LD L. f30ARDh1AN City Planner �""s' �- I � + ( � 2 %��� 3� � J' I �, a ns Y 1 L� .�` "_.rl. � __ �' 11-- j<J; f I � i � I r � I i -�_ „� ,� .� 0 ; ; p `0 �,� :,,� ' �a `�� ; � :i � �I:� - � � , _ ^ .-... � `o. .._If3.l'...i d.>�� n- . �� ' .., �� ���� 1 '� O)'✓IL 4�l/�N �'ltLH � � , • '---.� _... __ .�... � � �p y, r"""'_"'JDi-i) � M .«.`r '1'j�_ I �qJ'" """"""� -••l. ���\ • .V � �1 : 1 Q' t �>.r �--0' ' � >1 S �. . 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Q � �� �� �'�� .�.���� \ %�f :,� ,��, ,, , "'�I = � \\��� '°`� \ �\�:� � � \>� � L�.'.���' .r'r�� � N ��. \ �� � � �;�. j �N�EASTqTE 4691 i'! I '�ry� � E ID �.\ � OLO C ) � rLw` . �u �\�b � y ^' �� 7'` �_i : A,1���M l�l. '� � �\�, \ kK��1 yJ - t I rNO� 1\����\\\\� . . J � S�� P � 1� +` t� � rA� � � { ' �\�\ � \� � .I ��ll�, x � 'e � �, � � � ����r � � � �. �����\:�. � �,� _ � .� �: 4k'{�'A}(�+�d '/• � � �\. _ �. � � ' ., � �, ' _ � �"c1i1�� iE��� i�lf��ll I�(�11=��I �:r' �.. `� , � � ' ,, , �o LV 1 v� �-� � �" CITY OF FRIDLEY APPLICANT: Dick Gregor ADllRESS: North Branch, Minn. 5505�_ Street City Zip Code TELLPIIOIIE � 674-7662 ' 674-7568 l�ome IIusinesa PROP]�Z�Y 04JNF�t(S) Dick & tdaxine Gregor �� APPli.canC' s Y Loti Split �f � � I� -/�� llate F'led: Fee:�w��Receipt /{ Council Action:Date RESIA7LT:S: ADD?tLSS(ES) same as abcve Street. Cit3� Zip Code S+reet T�LFPI?On�E �{( S ) Home usiness Property Location on Street or Exact Street Address (IF ANY� Zip Code Legal Description oi' Propc-rt�-: / _ l •� i /1„_� G .� �_ L�9 _.c.� :�/ ��Z;7s' .Z� _ <'l on �,z . - iiA � ` ?��� ,�.,y ,�.� .-, > , ea of Yroperty sq. St. Zening Classiiicatiou The undersigned hereby declares i;hat all the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correci;. DATE: f!� % � � BELOW POR C7'!'Y IISP Ot;LY d� �See reverse cide £or additional insLructious; PLATS & SUBS: ➢ate o£ Con�ideration - Remarks: . PLANNING COMMISSIOPI: . Date of Consideration - � Remarks• CITY COUNCIL: Date o£ Coneideration - Remarks: � I . J�t4���E��� � OPY REAL ��T,A3E T�x STATE�M�[�!T PAYABLE 1976 � � � ;4E�P iI°,?� CrJPY FC�s �t?UR E'�u�'DS � , ; , M,, ,, , . � ,� �,y. , , �,�: Fee Owner: �-. . . . CoMrod Purchaser. . � � � . Property Descripfion: � � . � .. - . ' . . � � . � .. . . ESCROW AGENL � �� . � � ANOI(A COUNTY MINNESOTA �ONALD C. BAILEY, TREASVPER ANOKA, MINNESOTA 553p}1� ti FOR 57ATE TAX CREDIT FlLING PURPOSES ONLY School District Tax Qtem 9) reduced by Stme SECTION A WCOME ADJUSTED HOh4ESTEAD CREDIT Poid Agricultural Aid Credit in amount of If you quaG(y For ihis credit use the omou�rs I�sred below to compleie Form M-1HC, SECTION C GROSS TAX DISTRIBUTION Minnesota Inmme - Adjusted Homestead and Freeze Credir Retum. — See ins7ructions on ba<k. 6. State 1. Qualifying Tax Amo�nt: � 7. Counry Limited to dwelling and one acre adjaining lond (120 ares if Porm)- �$_ Township or City � 2. Siate Paid Homestead CrediC . . 9. School Distdct 10. OFher Saxing Disiricts 3. No delinquent Tazes onless box is checked. ❑ a. 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'- _".' 7 ; �; J- , . . .�„ �_� :..�_.�_., --- ,��� , � _ ----r-�,�. ta.�:. �' � -r-.---- __ Planninn Comrnission Meeting - December 3, 1975 Page 9_ ic;� .� �i ------- _ he had to return to work. Mr. Merrell asked if this proposed garage hadn't been the second accessory � building, would he need a Special Use 1'ermit? Mr. Qoardman said no,he wouldn't. Mr. Merrell said he had a friend on 46th Avenue who had a yarage and hau gotten a permit f��om the City to have a storage shed without going through the Spe::ia7 Use Permit process. M��. Harris said that if Mr. hlerrell already had a garage, then he could have the storaye shed, but because he already had the storage shed, the garage had to be considered as the second=accessory buildin9. Ri�-. t�errell feli he would be bett°r to move the storage sl;ed off his prop�•r�y until he had the garagz built and the�� ceme in and get a special use pzrruit for his storagz shed. H2 said it sou,ided like it would be easier to get a special use permit io�° the siorag2 shed than the garage. Mr. Ha�-�°is said he should argue this out with the City Council becaus� the�� had the finu� say cn this request. Mr. Merrell suid he �•rould rather ha�ie had a recon�mer,d�tion for apprcval by the Plannino Commission than no recoT.;iendai;ion. Mr. Ilari°is said he :1as close to having a recommendation for denial, so ne should be happy ihat it i•�ent the �vay it did. 14r. Langenfeld said the reascn he abstained vras because while he �sas in •fav�r of the Special Lse i°eyuest being approved for a garage, the size of tl,e garage kept him from votiny for apprc�dal. M11r. Scott said he didn't want Mr. Plerrell to leave this rneetiny feeling . that the Planning Con:m?ssion didn't have concern fer h�s rights ac a pr�perLy owner, as it ti-ras just tiin size of this garage which made them iiave reserv,tions in consioering this request. He said that if ihere hadn't been this conceri�, they �+ould have voted ior deniai, ins�°ad of leaving the decision up io the �it; Council. FTO'PION by Scott, saconded by IIergman, that the ruies be susnended Cor. the A�urpose ot mafiiny a notion to di.cect the Community DeveZopment Co;:;m.is,ion to ad�ress itself to th<s type of yroLlem and theu :nake a reco�r�rr,enda�_iun to the Planning Commissio,: on hcw to handle s�ch problems. hir, Goardm<;n said this couid be handled r:hen the Cc^�munity DeveTorm�nt Commissicn re,�ie�,aed the zoning ccde. Rir. Harris felt tha: this ;•ioule Ce too far inio the future, ar.d they could just revie�,� this aspect of it at i:his time. UPDN A VOSCE_ VOTF., a11 coting aye, the mction carried �nanimously. 2. PUf�[.tC HE�RINf: REZO\'ItvG REQUEST, 7_OA %75-aG, QY UP�I01' OIL C0�'S!'��VI;Y: TD �ezone part o� Lot l, Auditor's Subdivisio7 fJc. 25, frum G1S (lecal shopr.irg • areas} to C-Z (gei;eral shopping areas) Lo muke zoning cons�sie�it �riii: use as a service staiion, the same being 5645 Hack�nann Avenue N.E. 3. PUI3L:C HF�'1RI�c�; REQUEST FOR A S"�G?AL USE PERP^,TT, S(� ti75- � uY L'ivlC�! OIL C�(�1k'/1"�Y: To per�iiit the continuat7oii of an c�istir�g s��.ce" sta;.i�?n, per-�_ Fridley City Code, Secticn 20:,.Q51, 6(3,f_): on part of Lot 1, A�;!ii:or's , Subdivision No. 25, the saine beiny !i69 � flack��iai}n Avenua N.E. —�'� � U Planninq Commission Meeting - December 3, 1975 Page 10 ___ •�� F10TION b� Petersvn, seconded by ScotL, that IJze Planning Commissior. open �� the Public llc�rinqs or1 a rezoning requcst, ZOR $75-06, aiTd a request 1'or <z Special Use Perm.i.t, SP 075-213, by Union Oil Compan�. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Narris 3ecl�red the Public Ilearings open at 9:03 P.M. Mr. Glenn Hubbard, representing Union Oil Company, Mr. & h1rs. Leti•�is Hedlund, viho own the property just 41est of this proposal, and Mr. Glenn Nelson of 5747 Central Avenue N.E. were present at the meeting. 1� Mr. Boardman said that Union Oil Company first asked for rezoning and a Special Use Permit back in 1972, in order to bring their property into compliance with the City Code. At that time, �ve were having a revitilization of the intersection of Hac4:mann Avenue, Central Avenue, and High�r:ay �65, and the plans had not been finalized. The rezoniny wasn't denied, but Union Oil was asked to vrait until the road plan had been established. tJoa�, we dn have approval for the preliminary p1ans for this intersec*ion, as sho�an in the acienda. The final plans are now being dra�•m up by the State Highway Department. There�=ore, Union Oil Company has again submitted their request for rezoning and a Special Use Permit. P1r. Boardman said the present zonin� t;�as C-1S (local shopping areas) and the request i�+as to chaiige this to C-2 zoi:ing {general business areas), t��hic11 would make the use of the property for a service statioi� con�istent v!ith our zon�ing code. Our present code requires a service station tc be in C-2 zonin,q with a Special Use Permit. A service station �ras not an ailol-�ed use in C-15 zoning. Nr. 3oardman said the staff felt they would go along �-:ith the rezoning • request and appro�al of the Special Use Permit. 4Je do need soine additional easements for Hackmann Aver.ue. He said that this should be one of the stipulaticns of the rezoning. Dtr. Harris asked i�orr much of an easement t-�as needed? I•ir. Boai�dman said ihe plans �1ere in the process of being drawn u�, but I,e believ�d they needed a 10' easement on the South side of the property on Nacku;ann Flvenue. tAr. Harris asked tir. Glenn Hubbard hot� much this easement i�rould arfect the oper�,tior of the service station. Pir. Hubbard said it depended upon hov: much boule��ard was required. He said there tvas a 10' boulevard there noti,, and t-:ith this ease- ment, it o-rould bring it up to the present inside curb. He said ti�at Union Oil Company wasn't too concerned about that now, because they did intend to rebuilo this stai:ion and move it to the South on this property within tl�e next lII mor.t.hs. ' He said that any hardship they had, they could live with until that t;��e. He said they needed a minimum of 14' from the island to the curb, and he didn't kno�:: if they would have that. • Nr. Hubbai�d said they had been operating under the present zoning since 1954. He said they had been in the correct zonin9 until the zoning code ��ras changed in 1969. H� said with the d�ange in the street, they a�ould have to relocate fhe building so they would have better access foi� this station. Mr. Qoardn;;,n said i:hat as the final plans t�+ere just be:ng drawn up for ihe intersection, they were not sure as to the actual amount of easement n2eded. Fle said they may only have to take ar, easeinent on the Northtivest corncr of the property. He said they had originally thought the/ a�ould need a 10' easement across the entire fi•ont of the property. htr. Nuhbard said that if they could have the 14' on a temporary basis, he didn't think they would have any prol�lem. h1rs. Hedlund asked if when the station was i•elocated, ��rau?d this be any Plann�ng Cormnission 1�1eetinq - December 3., 1975 Pa�ce 11 closer to the house at 930 Nackmann Avenue than it Y�as at the present time. _: Hubbard said it o�ouldn't be. They would be relocating further South on the lot • but ii rlould be in line �aith th^ presei�t 7ocation. Mr. Glenn Nelson said that Union Oil Company had been a good r.eighbor, but he was concerned that any further con�niericalization of this area could change the residential atmospnere of the area. tdr. Hubbard said that at the time of their previous reyuest, there was a loop back plan, and they had intended that a 7-11 Store vrould be going in on their vacant property, but there were no pla�is for this property at this time. Mr. Louis fiedlund said that they felt that Union Oil Company had been a good neighbor. He said his prime concern �=�as what type of business could be located in C-2 zoring, if Union Oil ever decided to go out of business at this location. f•ir. Boardman checked the zoning code and determined that there were a lot of similar uses that ��ere allo�ved in both zor.in�s. ihe only things that vrere allo�•�ed in C-2 zoning and not C-1S tvere bars and taverns, cor-�;ercial reci-eatian, i°estaurants, excludino "Drive-Ins", ho*els and motels, hos�,i*uis, clinics, nursing homes, convalesc�nt hon�es, homes for the elderly, �roc4tiona2 ti�ade schools, laboratories, n;edical, dental and optical, and ha.�less �nr ir�offensive laboratories accessory to permitted uses, in same buildir�9, a�;d thua±res, lodges, assembiy halls, and auditoriums v,2re allo;ved in !>oi:h zoninys out in C-2 z�ni7g ±hey could seat niore than 300 people. Mr. Bc�ardn�an said unot�;2r differenre in the zonings svere ihat there �aere no uses a17o�ved in C-15 zonir,g aiitn a Special Use Permit, while there �+�ere uses alloi•:ed in ±�-2 zoning Hrii.n a Special Use °er-init. � Mr. Nedlund said that the, fe7t that what ever Union Oil Cor,pam,��vanted to do on i:his pi°operiy, they �;�ere in favor of it, but they o-ran�ed th���n tc i�e able to do that riithout rezonina. P-fr. Harris said the problem F��as tha.t i.hzy couldn't do rrhat they �:anted to do, withoui rezoning. Mr. Peterson said it bothered him that a ceinpany came inta Fridley and invested it's mone�� in good faith and has paid taxes fcr irany years, i;hen v�e changed our zoning code, and they have not been able to expand �heir busine;s or have Y.he same due process as other 6usin2sses in Fridley, an� he feii t.his was an i;�equity. I;e said they have �aarted to upgrade f;his prcperty since 1972 and they are still v�aiting. Mrs. Hedlund asked if thei•e was any control the P?anning Commi�ro;� co�;ld put on this pruperiy if it s:as zoned C-2 as to what type e� business cculd be located on this property, i��r. Scott said they could not controi any use allovred in C-2 zoning anyr�e!-e than they ceuld control any �-1S use allot�red, if th;s �?roperty i�as not rezoned an� Union Oi? Compar.y sold the property. Mr. Harris asked'how large the property was 1;ha± Union Oil CO��!od��y �vas asking Co have rezoned. h4r. Qoa+�dman sazd he thought ir was approxirnat�ly 20,000 squai°e feet. Mr, Petersor, said Che size of the orop�rty wou?d preclude a lot of the uses alloa,ed in this zonin, because ii :aouldn't be large en��ugh for a beer tavern or Lrade school, hotel ar motel or some of the other uses allo�+�ed because after they had T.he building u�,. they wouldn't have room to meet • the pai�l:ing i•equirements. hie said the size was best suited io a service station use. , Pag� �2 1 � Z� Planning Commission 14eeting`�ecember 3, 1975 � MOTION by Scott, secondcd Ly Peterson, thaL the Plannin9 Commis>ion close the Public Heariny.on rezonirig rcquest, ZOII N75-OG, b� Union Oil Compan�. Uyo�i . a voice vote, a21 votiny aye, Chairman Uarris dec.lar.ed the Public 1leariny cJ.osed at 9:46 Y.M. AIDT1"ON by 13ergman, seconded by PeLerson, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approva2 of the rezoning request, ZOI� h'75-06, by Union Oil Company, Eo rezone fro.m C-1S (local. shopping areas) to C-2 (general busi.ness areas), , part of Lot 1, Auditor's Subdzvision IJO. 25, to maY.e zoning consistent- with use as a servicc stati_on, th° same I�eing 5695 Ifackmann Rvenue N.E., w?tl� the stipulatioiz that tl�ey provide the necessary easement for hiohway purposes. Mr. Scott said he +��as going to vote against this motion because he felt it �•+as inconsistent with the zoning of the surrounding area and �•ras a classic exair�ple of spot rezoning, ���hich effec�s may have sei•ious long range implicaiions that v:e are totally at present tocall,y i�nav:�are. He felt th�re were adequate means for the operator, or o�:�ner, i,o improve the property as it ti�ras presently zoned, and inherenL business appoi°tunities caused by�such improven:°nt, and becau�e of the opposition of the sui�rounding property.owners. UPON A Poice vote, Bergman, fiarris, Peterson, Langenfeld voting aye, Scctt nay, the motion caz'ried. Mr. Hedlund said Ize didn't understand what a Special Use Per•mit vras. Mr. Boardman explained it to hirn. He explained tha� if the Special Use Permit was granted to allo��r ihe operatioi� of a service station on this properi,y, that the Special Use a;ould only be in effect as long as the property had that use. � If t.he use changed, and it rras some'�h;ng else that required a Special Use Pennit, there vrould be another Pu51ic Hearing, as on this Special Use. F•"r. Hedlund said he didn't �•+ant it to appear that he 4aas in opposition to an��thing that Union "76" �danted to do. He said they had been a good ne9ghbor and they have al��iays i:ept their promises. He was just i�:orried about vrhat purpose this property could be used for if Union Oil Company sold th� piroPertY. I•1r. Scoit saici this �•:as ivhy he voted a9ainst the rezoning. He felt the service station could upgrude their property without rezoning. Mr. 6oarc�nan said you have te take into consideratien how mucn money a company a:ould 4�ant to spend on a non-conforminy use, because if the structure �:as damaged niore than 50% b�' wind or iire, they couldn't rebuilt this property and woul� be forced to seli it, a�id that �;as placing a reai harc�ship on this property o�mei°. Chairman Flai�ris said thn rezoning oi this preperty had already beei� disposed of, and they ti•;ei•e consideriny the Special Use Permit. P1r. Langenfc1d said �here �•rem 21 nronerty o�ene:°s notified of these rec?uests and only t�,ro pro�erty otian�rs appeared at this meeting, so he didr�'t feel there was much oppo s tion to tnese requests. He said that the people v,ho spokc on these requests a�ere not opposed to Union Oil Conipany either updating their present structure, or rebuilding, so there �:�as no total disagreement: Mr. Harris said that ��;ith the easement that woulci be neetied for highway pui,poses, we ti�+ould be making part of ihis b;�siness inoperable, so that t�ould be an additional hardship on this property owner, if he couidn't �ebuild.the station. � P1r. !{arris saict �.�e could stipulate that this Special Use Permit be i°evie�,�ed annually> plus therr be anotiher revievi at the time ihey request a 6uildiny pe rn�it for a n2w building. Plann�r� f,onr,r�i>sion lleetinq� December 3, 1975 _ Page 13 _ 1�1r. �elson said his only objection v+as to spat rezoning, but he trus* Union �il Company to do ��rhat they said they would do. o: `� . Mr, Peterson said he thought it was commendable that Union "76" has the type of relationship vrith their neighbors that they would come to a public hearing and state that they trust Union '76" and Mr. Glenn Hubbard to do what Mr. Hubbard said they would do. He said he wanted to thank t1r. Hubbard for being that good a reighbor in our coir�nunity. Mr. Scott said that even though he voted against the rezoning, he had no objection to this service station operating on this property. He said that for this reasen he .;ould be in favor of grantin9 the Special Use Permit. tir. 6oardci::r� asked t�r. Hubbard if he had any objection to the City putting a ttiro year� t.�m� limit on this service station either being upgraded or rebuiit. Mr. Hubbard said he had n� o,�jectien. He said the rebuilding of this station was not in this year's budget, but with the two year timetable, he was sure it tvould 'ue i-e; ailt in tiiat timc. MOTION bu I'eterson, seconded by Scott, Ehat the Planning Commission close the Pub2=c Hearing on a rnqucst for a Spec2.a1 Use Permit, SP `n'75-28, by Unien Oi1 Com.pa::y. Upon a voice vote, aII vot-ng aye, Chazrman Harris declared the PLblzc Ileazing closed at 10:15 P.14. . !10TICN bu Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission recommend to Cou;�ci1 approval of a �pecial Use Perrait, SP #75-?.8, by Onion Oil Cot!tr�any, to pern;i.t the continuation o� an existing service station, per r^ridley City Code, Sect�.on 2US,C5?, �(3,E), on part of Lot 1, Auditor's Subdivis_cr.;o. Z5, � the same i�eirg 5695 Hacivnar.z: 1:rei�le W.E., with the followi��g stipulatioizs: • .2. This Spec.za2 Use Per;r.i� be sunject to annua.2 review, with emp'nasis on tlzeir housekeepii:�, etc. 2. That within twc years tl:e @ity would Zike to have this operatien v�daied. �� j3z When a building permit n•as raquesied for either majar remodeling of � this servir.e station or to construct a new service station, this Special Use Pernit be reviecded. UPON a voice vo�e, alI votir,g aye, th� motion carried unanimously. Chairman Ha�°ris declared a recess at 10:20 P.t�t. and reconvened the P;auniny Commission n;��tir,g at 1C:35 P.M. 4. R�CO��ASENi-,4TI0N 0�i Pf:��PQ;SEp RilLES AND REGULATID�JS FROM THE rf.l�iTlllll�1111 \ITI\1 ll�l!11 Tl u 1 i\l�i.I:�TI MO�.IOTJ by Lauyenfald, s.�co:tde3 Ly Scott', that the Planning Cerrcniseio�t receivc the memo fro^� Je.rrold v'oJrd:n%�n tc: Dick Sobiech, daEed NovemLer 25, I975_ Upon a vo_ce vote, a11 voting age, t.he mot�on rarrie3 un�viimously. � 6U0�ECT . PC1if1j.0 NO. �- �n�y m�' FrF�f Iey 11T TNE T0� Of iNE TWINC B(IILDIf�G PERMIT APPLICATIOIJ f' , Receipt No. � . � � � CONMVXITY DEYCLOVNEMi WY. r r.: ---- � i PRO'�ECT�v[ WS�CTIOn Ditt. � � 1 ( �"'1 � CITY N1ll. fR10LCV SOQ2 qEY. OATC PAGE OF �PPROYED BY ` � � �„� i12"b60'J4G0 ��� ' . 41D-F1'4 1 7/8/76 1 1 Job Address: �, �`%'�� - :.,.�:,; ���� ,�t�� /�%,�' . 3 � g> Legal L'qot Pio. Block 'i�act or Addi.tion See Attached Descr. {-<•�1* � /j urJ. Su-C`' �- p� � Sheet Property (Jwner Address Zip Phone G� ,7 ; �' ,��r.� � ; �:�-� �r,,, ,:;,_ � oritrzctor / - Address Zip Phone License Pio,i / n �� =/G� ��. ...� '• _'. i'.t `"cf�y " <—y: � '�'�/'^�3� � -. - `>. , i tc�itect oz Designerl � Address Zip • Phone License ivo.I �//r�st/i'�� LJ,;�i l..r�J . . . Eng eer Address Zip Phone License No. f,' ,'' Use of 13ui1ding � ` r� !Class ,of i�lork� (�Re�ove I ONew ❑ Addition ❑ Alteration Q Repair ��l�iove llescri e l2ork c f��„�...'�� �ry�e ��`;= �-'s-'.;r'.��� ,'�.;� // l � � _ ��� - . ` , / , '. �.r i f.��i�' � � ..,F.,rF+ .�°':G!/_lJtt-1�� 1 . hange of Use From , � T Signatuxe.; � - � o .:i.,.' : F;!/'. SYEC7AL ASSESSi•�i:vTS: ' � If lateral assessm�nts have not been placed on this property, an a�reemene I?15t bP_ signed, agreeing to assume such lateral assessments before a permit zoill Ue issaed Agreement ATecessary: Agreement IInnecessary: Finance Director J QUTSIDE UTILITIES: z Sewer Elevation: Water Elevation; O Stub Location: Stnb Location: w � � BUILDITG IrSPLCTION } H Plumbin� H.V.A.C. Electrical rire Insp. V Signature & Date Approved � � Registered Engn. Stamp. Legal Description Check r.�ci'erior Devel. Check Periorn�ance 13ond Clieck Easements, R/W, Special AgrecmenCs Fina� Approval T Date Certificace of Occupancy llate