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PL 12/21/1977 - 6624City of Fridley AGENDA PLANNIN6 CO�MISSION MEETING DECEMBER 21, 1977 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANNING COtA�I5SI0N �INUTES: DECE�BER 7, 1977 RECEIYE HUMAN RESOURCES CO1�lI5SI0N MINUTES: DECEMBER 1, 1977 1. CONTINUED: PARK & OPEN SPACE PLAN . 2. OTHER BUSINESS: (if any� ADJOURNh1EN7: 7:30 P.M. s, �. r x*i.i'r^ 'Z' �<i f�' ,,,,,, i��;, r.� : ..... '9.i�� y�li ". � � � t • '� X'� � . :� i �. . �j � r� . � .:.�. i . . t j . � ;, . r�� 1 �: -., . `�� :�r '^� :::, ` ti � J{i� ` ': = r r..��',` � ' ... F:+�' t . � �....'-i�l r , > . , . »,� t.�� t •'A �� e �� F F L .!/,` "_ 'E��'��"�+.. � .- � ._ • T /�'• ,� � �/� 4� T� . ! rt. . ` � �A�� 1 {(�� / .1 �� 4SY� . 1� �/) \�J� fr�� {�d1�) ' . J J�T; .. ; �� j� %/ �j/y. � !�%" {e� J1,! 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' f CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNZPdG COMMISSION MEi TING DrCF.MBER 7, 1977 CALL TO ORnrR• Chairperson Harris called the December 7, 1977, Planning Commission meeting to order at '7;31 P,M, ROLL CALL: Members Present: NFembers Absent: Others Present: Storla, Oquist, Harris, Schnabel, Langenfeld Peterson Jerrold Boardman, City Planner t1PPROVF PL9PI1dIPTG COMP4IS�ION MIPIUTES: NOVEP4Br.T2 23, 1977 MOTION by Mr, Oquist, seconded by Mr, Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission approve the RTOVember 23, 1977, Planning Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The minutes were approved at 7:33 P.M. TENANT/LANDLORD COMMISSION Mr, Storla announced that the Tenant/Landlord Commission that was a sub-committee of the Human Resource Commission would have a presentation on Monday, December 12, 1977, in the Classroom, starting at approximately 8:00 P,M, He said that they tivould be discussing �vhat type of policy the landlords could adopt in order to lower the crime rate in their rental units, He indicated that someone from the State Planning Commission and someone from the State Housing Association would be giving a slide presentation regarding what the renters could do to help lower the crime rate within their rental units, He encouraged anyone that vrould be interested to attend the meeting, 1. CONTINUED: PUBZIC-HEARING: REZONING RF!�UEST, ZOA 1�77-04, 80 FEET OF LOT 6, T�UDITOR'S SUBDIVISION N0, 25, LYING EASTERLY OF THE NORTH�AST�RLY RIGHT OF l'JAY LINE OF TH� OUTER DRIVF OF TH� STATE TRUNK FIIGHYJAY #65, AND 4V�ST QF A LINE t253,20 F�ET IUEST OF THE �AST LINE OF SAID LOT 8, AS M�4SURED AT RIGHT ANGLES T0� 1�ND PARALL�L 'AITH� THE EAST LIN� OF SAID LOT 6, FROM R-3 (GENERAL MULTIPL� FAI�tILY DtiVELLINGS)� TO CR-1 (GENERAL OP'FICES AND LIMIT�D BUSINESSES) THE SAME BEING 961 HILLI7IND ROAD N,F, (Public Hearing open). PLANNING CONR4ISSION MRTTIDIG - DF.CEMBPR 7, 1977 pat;e 2 Mr. Boardman explained some of the items that had confused the Planning Commission at the November 23, 1977, meeting. He said that one of the plats that they had been.shocan had never been filed and he indicated to the members the plat that they should study, On the approved plat, Mr. Boardman, explained the exact lots that ivere involved, Mr.-Boardman indicated that if the road is ever put in that it would connect to FillmoreZhe vras speaking of the Polk Street extension).He said that depending on ho�v the area in question actually develops, it v�as possible that Polk Street would £orm a cul-de-sac. He said that it was not foreseeable that anything constructed on Polk Street NE tivould be made accessable from Hill��ind Road, Mr, Boardman said that another problem in the area was the configuration of Hill��ind and also the configuration of the lots, He said that at some point in time, they erould probably be getting a replat of the area. Chairperson Harris asked if all the lots in question rvere under one otivner. � Mr. Boardman said that there �vas multiple ownership in the area. Mr. Boardman explained the zoning of the entire area, Chairperson Harris specifically r�anted to knotiv the zonings of the PJausau Homes building and the Real Estate 10 lots. Mr. Boardman said that the Vlausau Homes building 4V2,S zoned R-3 and that the Real �state 10 1ot l�as the only lot in the area that had been zoned CR-1. He said that it was zoned CR-1 in 197t. Ms. Schnabel asked if there tivould be a chance that the Planning Commission 1�aould be hearing any more requests for rezonings from anything else that yaould go on Hilllaind Road. Mr. Boardman said that this request was the last property going up Hillvrind, due to the steep inclines further up Hill�vind. Chairperson Harris asked if the Staff had any objections to the request. Mr. Boardman said that they had no problems �•rith the request. He said that he felt it ��as as good of a use for that lot as any. He didn�t feel tkat it would be detrimental to the area. He indicated that they proposed a ti�rell desi�ned building that would fit r�ell into the area. PLANIdIIJG COS�t�IISSION MEFTING - DECEN[BPR 7,i 1977 Pa�e 3 Chairperson Harris asked if the lot met all the requirements for a CR-1. Mr. Boardman said that it was a larger lot than Real Estate 10 had; and, yes, it did meet all the requirements, Mr. Oquist expressed concern of the traffic problem on the intersection of Highrray #65 and Old Central Avenue. He wanted to knot� if this type of operation ti•�ou1d negatively effect that already conjested intersection. Mr. Boardman explained the proposed traffic pattern. He said that basically that type of operation didn't generate that much traffic, Ms. Schnabel asked if the proposed parkin� lot could be made accessable from Polk Street, Mr. Boardman said that it couZd be a possibility. He said, that again� since that type of operation didn�t usually produce that much traffic that it v�ouldn�t be that important to try to keep ihe Sundial Realty traffic off of Po1k Street. Ms. Schnabel asked about the sev�er and vrater easements for the Sundial Realty Company, Mr. Boardman said that the se�^rer vrould be off of Po1k Street NE and that the ti�rater tvould be from Hillvrind Road. MOTION by Ms, Schnabel, seconded by Mr. the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, mation carried unanimously, The public at 7:59 P.M. Langenfeld, to close all voting aye, the hearing tivas closed MQTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Storla� that the Planning Commission recommend the approval of the rezoning request� ZOA ;�77-04, by Sundial Realty Company; Rezone that part of the North IIO feet of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25� lying easterly of the northeasterly right of r�ay line of the outer drive of the State Trunk Hightivay #65, and Vlest of a line 7253,20 feet ivest of the east line of said Lot 8� as measured at ri ght angles to, and parallel vrith, the east line of said Lot 6, from R-3 (General Multiple Pamily D��ellings) to CR-1 (General Offices and Limited Businesses), the same being 961 Hillwind Road N,�. rrith the stipulation that the rezoning is tied to the issuance of the Building Permit as per the plan that had been submitted to the Planning Commission. PLANr1ING COMMISSION M�I:TING - DrCLT4B1'R 7 1977 Pat�e 4 Chairperson Harris explained that the reason for the stipulation nras '+�just in case" something happened in the interim that vrould make it impossible for the petitioners to do r�hat they planned rrith that lot, FIe said that it rrould be, posUible� t�rith the CP,-1 Zoning to put some other type of establishment on that lot that �raid not be desirable for the area. A4r. Langenfeld indicated that after receiving the needed information from Mr. Boardman, that even though it is� in a sense spot rezoning� he didn't feel it lvould be a hinderance to the particular area. He said that the type of rezoning and construction i✓ould be compatible with the area. Mr, Boardman was not in complete agreement �vith the stipulation put on the request. Chairperson Harris said that it only indicated that the second reading of the Rezoning Ordinance vould be held until the issuance of the Building Permit. t�ir� Langenfeld said that the purpose of the stipulation vaas to be sure that that type of building tivent into the area and not something else that may be less desirable. Mr. Boardman read to the Planning Commission a11 the uses that could. be in a CR-1 Zoning, He said that� supposedly, a11 the uses of a CR-1 irould be compatible r�ith the area, Ms. Schnabel said that she did not intend to vote aye for this motion. She explained that she felt that the requested construction �aould only add to the vast confusion already in er.istance along Hillvrind Road, She said that the construction of the Sundial Realty Company rrould only add to the "clutter" of the area. She vranted it to remain as an R-3 Zoning and she svas not in favor of the {'spot rezoning". Mr, Boardman felt that the stipulation 1•rould infringe on the rights of the petitioner. Upon a voice vote� Storla, Oquist, Harris and Langenfeld voting aye; Schnabel votino nay� the motion carried, Mr. Jim Villella of 5323 Matahorn Circle (representing Sundial Realty Company) asked permission to address the Planning Commission. Mr. Villella said that they were spending a lot of money on the property� He said that a lot v�ith a CR-1 Zoning was a valuable piece of property� He said that they had also spent a lot of money on the plans for the building and tkey tvere going to try to go through i�rith their proposed plans. _ _ _ _ . ."�,!! ; � PLA1dNING COtR4ISSI0N MrFTING - DrCFMT3FR 7� 1977 Pat�e 5 Mr. Villella indicated that "things�' could happen. IIe said that they were purchasing the property contingent upon the rezonin� to CP.-1. He said that should anything happen to the plans for their Real �state Office and they 1•rould have to sell that land or build sor�ething else; and if they trere not able to build anything except a Real Estate office� They could be out a lot of money. Chairperson Harris indicated that their request was to build a certain Real Estate office on that particular lot. He said that all the Planning Commission i�ra� doing ��ras that in good faith they appiy and take out a building permit preceeding the second rea.ding of the Ordinance that rrould make it final. He indicated that if t•1r. Vi11e11a intended to build somethin� else� then he should have said that earlier. T�Ir. Harris sa�.d that the stipulation merely indicated that they had to construct the building that they had shor�ed the Planning Commission. Mr. Boardman indicated that the Planning Commission's stipulation on the property was that they did approve the rezoning erith the stipulation that the second reading of that rezoning be held until the Building Permit vaas issued for that proposed building, He said that it dicin't indicate that after they constructed tne building that they coulckn't sell the building; it merely indicated that the building could only be used for the purpose indicated for a CR-1 zoning, Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission �^ranted that building, on that 1ot� and only used for the rourpose alloeaed under a CR-1 Zoning. Mr. Oquist explained that that particular piece of property would not be rezoned unt?1 Sundial Realty takes out a Building Permit, Chairperson Harris said that actually vrhat �vas being stipulated rras that Sundial Realty construct that building on that lot. Mr, Villella asked if they could take out a Building Permit on that lot �vithout oivning the land. He said that they are purchasing that lot contingent upon the rezoning of the lot to CR-1. Mr. Boardman indicated that usually a Building Permit is only issued to the property oe�ner. Mr, Villella asked if the stipulation could be changed to indicate that it has to conform to the CR-1 alloriable establishments tirith the exception of Drug Stores. That ��ay, he said, the Commission could eliminate their main r�orry. „ ,�,.,,M PLATTNIPI� COMMISSI02d MPLTIPJG - DPCPMBER 7, 1977 Pa�e 6 Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission ivanted to control rfhat rient on that lot. He said that they revieried the plans and had liked erhat they saw. They �vanted to be sure that that type of construction vras put on that lot. He said that they rranted that building, on that property. Mr. Vi1lella said that they vrould be closing on the lot as soon as the lot vras rezoned. He said that after that, they �vould submit their plans to the bank for financing and bidding and such. Iie said that there eaas a possibility that it could take a certain period of time, He said that from the offset they have not been a.bsolutely sure that they could bui7d the buildin� that ha.d been shorm to the Planning Commission, He said that they didn�t desire to spend the money ha.ving the plans bic: out and a.11 until they could find out if they could get the lot rezoned, Ae said that certain thinos had to be before other tnin�s. He said that their first thing vras to get the lot rezoned, He said that you always had to be prepared for the chance that something could go astray. Mr. Langenfeld said that his motion to approve the rezoning request had been made based on the fact that he had had the chance to see the plans anct he had the assumption that that would be the type of structure that vrould be put on that 1ot. Chairperson Harris said that the motion vaas merely a recommendation to City Council. Mr, Villella said that he �vould like the Planning Commission to indicate something in their recommendation,that i�rould allow them a little flexibility in the construction. I3e felt it was unfair to tie him to that exact building �vith no margin of flexibility. Ms. Schnabel restrictive. him a little agreed l�rith NIr, She felt that flexibility. Villella as far as being a bit something could be done to allov� MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr, Oquist, to aMend the original motion to recommend approval of the rezoning request ZOt1 �¢77-04, by Sundial Realty Company; Rezone that part of the North 80 feet of Lot 6� Auditor's Subdivision rro. 25, lying easterly of the northeasterly ri�ht of iray line of the outer drive of the State Trunk FIigheray rF65, and Flest of a line t253�20 feet rrest of the east line of said Lot S, as measured at right angles to� and para11e1 ��ith, the east line of said Lot 6, from R-3 {General biultiple P'amily Deiellin�s), to CR-1 (General Offices and Limited Businesses), the same being 961 HillrJind Road N.E. with the stipulation that a similar-like structure that srould rem�in compatibile �tith the area and allo�•ring some flexibility that eaould ease any hardship that may be placed upon the petitioner. PL�irrzrrc cor•It�i�szot�r r�rr�cirrc - nrc��»rR 7, �9�,7 �1�;e � Mr. OquiUt agreed that the exact plan cannot be "pinned�' do�rn. fIe �aid that some fle:cibility does have to be allo��red. IIe did indicate that he didn't �vant to see any more apartment buildin�s going into the area; therefore, he ti=ias more in favor of having the real estate office. Mr. Oquist said that the motion 1�fas really only tying Mr. Villella dor�n to a similar-type structure. Chairperson Iiarris indicated that Mr, Villella had best find out if he vrould be able to build the building. He felt it was that point in time for Mr, Villella. 42r. Villella said that they had done some of the preliminary r�ork for the building, He said that it rras tied doe.m as much as possible, He said that until the Building Pernit cras taken out and the bank put a mortgage on the building, anything could happen. Iie said that they l+�ere not 100% sure that that exact building vrould be constructed on that lot, Mr, Vince Villella of 3625 �dvard Street NE said he felt that the stipulation 1•Jas out of line, He said that there rrere restrictions enough on the CR-1 Zone, Mr. Vince Villella said that he understood the motion to say that they don�t actually get the rezoning until the Buildin� Permit is appliecl for. He said that if that ti�tas the case, then they ti�ere back to the original problem. He said that they could not close on the lot until they get the rezoning; they cannot get the rezoning until they apply for a building permit, that cannot be issued to them unless they ovrn the lot, Chairperson Harris Uaid that the motion was the feeling of the Planning Commission. He said that if Sundial Realty had di£ferent feelings about the motion� then they should bring it to the attention of the City Council since this tiias only a recommendaiion to City Council, UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The amended motion was approved at 8;58 P.M. 2, CONTIAt[TED: R:��UrST POR LOT SPLIT� L. S, i�77`1 , BY _ SUD?DIIiL 1S�tr�L11 VVl'1rt11'11� JrL11 VPl llltll S"riR1 Vl' LV1 V� KUL11� iv iv , 25� AS DLSCRIB�D IN REZONZNG RL�UEST� TfI� SAAI� B�ING 961 HILLsJIAdD ROAD N.E. PLAPINING C,OT•4PdISSION MP�TING - DPCLT4$�R 7, 1977 Pap�e 8 - MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Storla, to approve the request for Lot Sp1it, L.S, ,�77-1y., by Sundial Realty Company; Split off that part of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. Z5, as described in rezoning request, the same being 961 Hillerind Road id� with the stipulation that there be a dedication of the right-of t•ray and the extension of services, Upon a voice vote� Storla� Oquist, Aarris, Langenfeld voting aye; Schnabel votin� nay; the motion carried at 9;00 P.M. 3. PUBLIC H�ARIP?G: F?P�UFST FOR 1� ar �F/�-i7i 151 e1UL1UE�Y V1LL�1U!�'� INC,: TO PERP•1IT A FILM , ZEY CITY CODE� S�CTION 205,101� 3� (I)� TO B� LOCATED IN THE PARKING LOT� FkiICA IS PIIRT OF LOT 13, �UDITOR'S SUBDIVISION IdO. � 55� TI�7' SAP1F BEIP�IG 25a 57tk AVLI�N � N, L� MOTIOPT by T•1r. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to open the Public Hearing, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing ti��as opened at 9:01 P.M. . Mr. Boardman explained that Holiday Village Tiorth tvanted to move their film shop outside to the parking lot. He said that there had been a stipulation on the lot that no outside lease operation could be granted, He indicated.that the request was not a lease operation, Ae said that it would be owned and operated by Holiday Village, He said that it would be a gick-up/drop-off type operation in a booth in the parking lot, Mr. Oquist asked if it would be permitted as long as it was a Holiday Village photo Shop, Mr, Boardman said that vrnen the Trailor Operation went in, it was a 1ea.se operation. He said that at the time the City Council allorred that business, it put a stipulation that no other outside lease operation v✓ould be permitted. He said that they had made it a point to stipulate a lease operation. Mr. Oquist asked if the booth would be attended. Mr, Bradley Steinman representing Holiday Village North said that it wouZd be attended approximately 9;00 A,M, until '7:00 P.M, Mr, Langenfeld asked if this operation ti�rould add further to the traffic problem already existent at the Holiday Village North store. Mr. Boardman said that the traffic problem �vould be no more than it was presently. Mr, Steinman said that the booth ��ould basically be for the sals and developing of fi.lm. He said that the trend �vas to be able to pick up your film right from your car. ,�, PLANDIING COMMISSION i4?:PTIPIG - DrC�IBrR 7, 1977 Pa�e 9 Chairperson IIarris said that it appeared that there was adequate parking at the Holiday Village North store. Mr. Boardman said that there was adequate parking. Iie said that it was Holiday Village's plans to relocate the garden shop next spring. Ae said that they intended to move it closer to.the building, He said that Holiday Village had assured the City of Fridley that things would be done to improve the area. Mr, Steinman indicated that they vrould be purchasing from the Lund t4anufacturing Company attra.ctive type litter containers, He said that instead of using barrels, these netiv containers vrould look like beetles, He said that possibly these i�rould attract people and thereby remind them to put their litter into a proper container. Mr. Langenfeld asked lvhat the dimensions of the building would be. Mr. Steinman said that the booth would be 5 ft 2 in x 9 ft 2 in. Ms, Schnabel asked if it vrould be a concrete slab. Mr. Steinman said that it tivould be on a. concrete slab, he said there ��rould be the proper curbing, there vaould be electric heating inside the booth �Jith proper illumination, Mr. Oquist asked if the building i��as already constructed, Mr. Steinman said that it tvas a pre-fab building. Chairperson Harris asked if there would be any utilities run to the booth, Mr, Steinman said that the electricity would be underground. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by NIs, Schnabel, to close the Public Iiearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unaniraously, The Public Hearing v�as closed at 9: �3 P.�t. MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the request for a Specail Use Permit� SP f�77-1j, by Holiday Village, Tnc,; to permit a film processing drop-off booth, per I'ridley City Code, Section 205,101, 3, (I)� to be located in the parkin� lot, �vhich is part of Lot 13: Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, the same being 250 5'7th �lvenue N.F. with the stipulation that it rtould be a fioliday Villa�e Inc, function and that in the event that the Booth is moved� that the concrete base also be moved from the asea. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unaniMOUe1y. PLANNIN� COTit�[ISSIOrI t4ET,"PING - DrCPMBrR 7. 1977 Pat�e 10 4. runi.�c H��:��rrirv�-c tt��:i,c�ivir�t� kt�'��p�T,.._Z�.1_!t2� 05 RY P(' T' CbRP(�1T7r�rL• R��ZOITT; PRC)i'i C-2S (GT?Td�RAL SFIOPPIPIG ARrIlS) 10 C-1 (LOCAL L'U:iIPr=:SS ARis4S) � LOT 1� BLOCK 1� P�ARSOPI'5 FIRST I'cDDIT20N� THt� Sl1M� B;��ING 7II99 �AST RIV�R ROAD NE MOTION by Mr, Oquist, seconded by P+Is. Schnabel� to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, The Public Hearing was opened at 9:15 p,1�i, Mr. Boardman said that this piece of property had gone through several variances and rezonings, He said tnat it i��as the intent of ?-11 Stores to build on that lot. He said that a condition of the last City Council ap�roval taas that it rras rezoned to C-t, Iie said that property rras already zoned C-2S, Mr. I,angenfeld asked about the stipulations that had been requested for that property by a group of Citizens, Mr. Boardman indicated that there were 15 stipulations that tivere incorporated as stipulations of a variance at a variance meeting held on rtarch 15, 1g77, Iie said that those l�tere the same stipulations that the Planning Commission may or may not rrant to put on the rezoning. Chairperson Harris read the 15 stipulations: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. � Extensive landscaping on the site; plan filed 1=�ith Plannino Department, Berming to be of suffzcient height to protect the residents from automobile lighting. (as indicated on the plans) Additional plants (as marked on the plans), Entire building would be brick, Buffer plantings incorporated ti+rith berm, Lighting focused dovrn so as not to shine into the residential property o��ner's iaindov�s� Al1 blacktop adjoining green area to be separated by poured concrete curbing, No egress from the development onto �ast River Road; in�ress only, - � PLANNING COMMISSION MFrTING - DPCIfi4BrR 7. 1977 Pa�e 11 9. Refuse area should have solid screen, no gate opening onto the service drive, the portion not being used for refuse storage and handling to be used for plantings, 10. Side�valk connection constructed to Lincoln Street. If an agreement cannot be reached between Meridian and Fudali, the side�•ralk connection should be constructed anyvray, but only on P4eridian's property, This rrill offer property protection from nearby residents, 11. Parking moved down to 20 feet to pick up additional room to enable cars to face in instead of against each other, 12, 1lpplicant rri11 petition the City for rezoning from C-2S to C-1 and there �eill be no contest on zoning change in future, 13. Easements to be dedicated to City of Fridley as noted on attached map. 14. Applicant irill construct a deceleration lane from the driveraay abutting East P,iver Road to the south. The deceleration lane is to be a 12 foot wide bituminous section erith a 2 foot gravel shoulder and.is to extend southcrard from the drivetray entrance 100 feet southlvard from the south radius and then taper at 15:1 to tie back into the existing roadti�ray, The t�pical section shall consist of 8" Class V base, 1z+� asphalt binder course (MAD 2341) and 1�� asphalt v✓ezrino course (MHD Z341), All construction shall oe in accordance �=rith the t4innesota Depart�aent of Fiightrays Standard Snecifications for Highv�ay Construction duted January 1� 1972, and as amended by Supplemental Specification for Hightivay Construction dated January 1 , 197y.. 15. A bond covering the cost of all stipulated improvements would be required. Chairperson Harris pointed out that what was actually being done was the petitioner rras fulfilling No. 12 of the stipulations, Mr. Oquist aslced if all the above stipulations ti�rere already covered in a previous variance. Mr. Boardman said that these stipulations rrere placed by City Council. Fie said ihat the petitioner �vas no�r rec}uestin� the rezoning to fulfill no. 12 of ths stipulations. T40TION by Mr. Lan�enfeld, seconded by NIs. Schnabel, that the p.ianning Commission receive a letter from Atr. John Benton, the Property hiana,r�,er of the rleadori Run :lpartments� indicuting the they rrere in favor of the rezoning of the property ir. question. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unlnimou�ly. PLAPIIIING COt�f�tISSION t�IPPTING - DPCPT'[BPR �, 1977 Pa�e 12 Mr. Langenfeld said that it v�as his nnderstanding that these stipulations, if incorporated, there v�ould be no problems as far as the rezonin� �:ras concerned, In other caords, he said, the rezonin� ��as fine ��rith the citizens as long,as all the stipulations vrere met. Chairperson Harris confirmed what Mr, Langenfeld said. Mr. Boardman shovred the Planning Commission a plan of the ']-11 Store. Mr. Oquist asked about stop lights at that intersection. Mr, Boardman said that the City had asked for lighting at that intersection� Iie said that the County said that there u�as no rrarrant for a traffic light at that intersection, He indicated that City felt that enough traffic ivas generated at that point, He ti+ras relatively sure that traffic lights would eventually be put at that intersection, A4r. Storla had to leave the meeting at 9:25 P.M, due to a previous commitment. Mr. Oquist said that it v�ould be called a neighborhood convenience center. He pointed out that there l��ould probably be more than a 7-11 store on that property. Chairperson Harris said that there t�rould be something other than the �-11 Store, however, he vaas not certain what, He read what rras allovred in a C-1 Zone. The Planning Commission poznted out that there had been a typographical error in the Public Hearing Notice that indicated the rezoning was from a C-2S to C-1S. They felt that the rezoning request wkas from a C-2S to C-1, They decided to handle the request as a C-t and make their motions as such, If Mr. Boardman found out that they i^JOUld have to re-publish and re-notify the adjacent property otivners� then it tivould also have to re-appear before the Planning Commission. Mr. Langenfeld said that �vithout question they vJOUld have to again consider the requests of the citizen group. Ms. Schnabel said that those requests had already been considered and the City Council stipulations had stated that the request would go through and be rezoned uithout any contest on the rezoning. I•SOTION by Air. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms, Schnabel, to close the Public Hearing, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearzng ��ras closed at g:33 P,M. .. " PLAP3NIPtG C�T7MISSIODI MG:?TING - DFCI�TZT3FR- 7, 1977 Pat�e 1; MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the Rezoning Request, ZOA ;�77-05, by ?�.C,�. Corporation: Rezone from C-2� (General Shopping �reas) to C-1 (Local Business Areas), Lot 1, Block 1, Pearson"s First Addition, the same being 7899 East River Road PI�. I�Ss. Schnabel said that it tivould not be necessary to include all the stipulations in the motion since City Council had already made them, Mr. Langenfeld pointed out that the Citizen Group would not contest such a rezonin� as long as the stipulations were met and they had already been pre-arranged prior to the request, UPON t? VOICL VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carriad unanimously. 5. PUBLIC HEP.RI�?G: PR�POS" PRFT.Tr�rr?e.r�v Pr nm _ p S :�77-07, _EVI:RT':5 ?�7�I?'I_ Pi. }3Y ARTHUR I; FRET��G: BFING li REPLl?T OF LOT 19, i:,{C :PT TiiE ^:`1ST 190 F:i�T THFREOF: AND E:�C3�T THE fiJEST 17 FL�T TAK�Ai FOR HIGHIAAY PURPGSES: r�PID THE i7LST 147,71� F�ET OF LOT 18� ALL IP1 AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISION N0, 129, (THIS PR�LIMIId�RY PLAT REPL9CES CEP�ITR�1L TO'�INHOUS� PLAT (NOT RrCORDED) AI3D IS GENrR9LLY LOCATED AT THE IiT^tERSECTION OF 73rd �',VENU� AND C�PdTRAL AVPPdU� PI,E, MOTION by A�r, Langenfeld, seconded by I�is, Schnabel, to open the Public Hearino. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, The Public Hearing raas opened at 9:36 P.M, Mr. Boardman shotived the Planning Commission a Plat of the area. He indicated thai ��rhat t=�as being proposed ��as ten lots that �rould be designed for duplexes, He explained that the proposal ��tas to run the street thraugh and have it cul-ae-�zo�a. 'ie said that tne City of r^ridley had requested that the petitioner attempt to purchase an adjacent lot, Ae indicated that the person oc�ning that lot did not ti•�ish to sell. Mr. Boardman said that it vras felt that the proposed development �+ould be better if the duplexes could be served by a better road system. He indicated that the ovmer of the adjacent property did not z•rish to sell to Pir. Fretag. He said that the adjacent property zras zoned commercial and the otvner vrished to sell the lot as commercial. Mr. Boardman pointed out that Mr. Fretag's lot rras zoned as R-3, Chairperson Harris said that the only vaay ta be able to put another street in �rould be to condemn land for the right of rfay, i�rhich rrould, then, make the adjacent lot unbuildable as a Commercial lot, P1s. Schnabel didn't believe that the City Council rrould condemn land for a right of ivay since there tivould be an alternata ti��ay to re,�ch the duplexe�. PLANNING COMMISSION MRFTIPIG - nBCF�IAER 7, 1977 Pa�e 1¢ • Mr, Freta� of 3106 - 61st Avenue North indicated to the �lanning Commission that both he and Mr. Evert �vranson of 258 ':`lindsor Lane (the property owner) had approached the neighbor directly North of his property and offered them �Z0,000 for the back 1/3 of the lot,and the additional 25 feet that vaould ena.ble them to run the road into the area from Central Avenue, He said that the neighbor had refused the offer. Fie said that they had tried to come up vrith other a2ternatives, but none of them seemed advantageous to Mr. Swanson. Mr. Boardman said that he did understand that Mr, Fretag had tried to purchase the land from the nezghbor. He i�ras only saying that another alternative vrould be to have the city condemn the land for the road right of way. He said that he wasn't telling the City they should, just that it ivould be another alternative for the petitioner, Chairperson Harris said that by using condemnation to get the road right of rray, the City may end up having to pay for the entire lot because by taking that 30 feet? it lvould almost make the lot unbuildable as a C-1. Mr. Boardman said that it could be buildable as C-1 since the Code indicated minimum frontage of 160 feet or a total � lot size of 20�000 square feei, He said that the remaining lot, after the condemnation, �vould be just about 20,000 sq £t. Chairperson Aarris asked if all the petitioner's proposed lots met all the requirements, Mr, Boardman indicated that Mr. Fretag's entire plan met all the requirements, Chairperson Harris asked ho�r the area vrould be serviced. Mr, rre�ag said that all the service tivould be underground. Ms, Schnabel asked if all the duplexes ��rould. be built at once� and if they ��ould be built for sale purposes, NIr. Pretag said that until the saeather got better, they would only build one duplex at a time. He said that they �vould �•rork on more than one at a time once the ereather got ��rarmer. He indicated that all ten of them i�rould be completed in a 1Z-month period of time. He also indicated that aZZ of the duplexes ��rould be built for sale purposes. t4r. I'retag said that there r�ould be 1,150 square feet per unit and that the units r�ould be 2-story units, i�e said tY�at the units �vould be priced in the �g0,000 bracket. P-LANNING COMMISSIOPI MFFTING - DFCIT�IBPR 7, t�'7 PaP�e 15 Mr. Virnig of 1365 - 73rd Avenue N� (adjacent land olvner) ,said that he had the same comments that he had previously vrhen this property had been discussed. He iF�anted any assessments involved with the property to be absorbed by the area and not passed on to the adjacent landoti�aners in form of taxes� etc. He said that he had no objections to the plan, MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 9:58 n.rs. P10TIOPd by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by P4r, Lan�enfeld, that the Planning Coranission recomnend approval of the proposed preliminary P1at, P.S, ;f?7-07, Evert's Addition, by l�rthur L. Fretag; Being a replat of Lot 19, �xcept the East 190 feet thereof; and except the �:lest 17 feet taken for highrray purposes; and the west 1�.7.7y feet of Lot t8, all in Auditor's Subdivision No, 129, (This preliminary plat replaces Central Toranhouse Plat) (Not recorded) and is generally located at the intersection of 73rd Avenue and Central Avenue N.E. r�ith the understanding that as approved in the preceeding re-plat request that the assessments for the curbing� serrers� vratera be assessed to the Peti�ioner and not assessed to the adjacent praperty ovmers. Also that the easements as shorm on ixhibit A be dedicated and that the property to the East of the access road be dedicated to the property ol�mer at 1365 - 73rd Avenue N� as shorrn on Exhibit A. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unaniMOUSIy. Chairperson Harris declared a ten minute break at 10:Oy P.M. Mr, -0quist left the meeting at 10:Oi� P.Pd. due to a previous cor�mitinent. 6. CONTINUED: Pt1RK & OPLTT SP�1C� PLArl Mr. Boardman commented that at the previous Planning Commission meeting the statement had been made that the reason for the Park & qpen Space Plan being done l�ras for funding purposes, He said that that statement had not been true, He said that the reason for Parks and Open Space plan v�as to direct park development for the City of Fridley for the purnose of getting a better system than rrhat they had in the City. A4r. Boardman also commented that it had been st�ted at the previous meeting that the Parks & Open Space Plan �vas not a working document, He felt that there had to be changes in the attitudes of the Parks and Recreations Commission and commitments made to �eet an overall`pl,an, PLANNING COt-iMISSION MPPTIPTG - nECFfidBPR 7, 19�7 Pa�e 16 • Chairper:�on IIarris said that he had gone to the City Council �Torl.shop meeting on Idovember 2fi, 1977, and brou�ht up the point of acqui�ition of park pronerty. Iie sa_id that the City Council in-licated they r�ou)_d concider takin& private land for par� purposes under special conditions, IIe said that they did not state any specific guidelines. He said that each individual park ��rould be handled as an individual case. ChairperUon Fiarris felt that it should be indicated on page 20 of the ParYs and Open Space Plan that it vrould be considered� Mr. Boardman su�gested inserting the words "Proven need for" in the section of "Acquisition" in Ateighborhood l�reas. Chairperson �,a.rris also sug�ested taking out the percentages on page 20, The Cor�mission members agreed ivith his suggestion. Page 22, C. Regional Park P4s� Schnabel and P4r. Boarc',man collaborated on the uiording and it rras agreed by the members of the Planning Commission to change the l•iordin� to,"Regional Park; An area of Natural �J�uality oriented tor�ards open snace activities, Regional Parks usually contain at least 100 acres and are located t�here natural resources occur�', Page 22� D. Community Park Mr. Boardman suggested the item be reU�orded to, "Community Park: An area of natural or ornamental quality for passive outdoor recreation and some field or court games, A Community park usually consist of 25 to 50 acres and are placed in proximity to other community facilities and are •;rithin easy reach of all residents of the community," The members of the Planning Commission raere in agreement. Page 22, E, Community Play£ield The Planning Commission suggested rewording the item to, "Community Playfield: An area for intense recreational facilities, such as athletic fields, consisting of 25 to 50 acres placed, v�hen possible� in close proximity to secondary schools or other community facilities." They taranted the termn st�rimming pool removed from the definition, f PLANtdING COt�i1INSIpN MPFTING - PECI3�IBP'R 7 1 g'77 p��e 1 � Page 22, F, Neighborhood Park Playground: The Planning Commissiom a�reed that that item ti•�as �orded OK. Page 22, G. Mini Park Ms, Schnabel suggested that the item be reti�iorded to "Mini Park: Mini Parks are soecialized facilities serving a concentrated or limited population or specific groups and should be located e�ithin r�alking distance of those areas not served by larger park sites, They should be less thz.n 1 acre in size," The other members of the PZanning Commission agreed r�ith the leavin� out.of the terns, +�such as tots or senior citizens�� Page 22, FI. Open Space Mr. Boardman suggested that H be rel�rorded to� °H, Open Space/Linear Park, He also said that any percentages should be left out of all the descriptions, Chairperson FIarris said that Tables 2,3�LE, & 5 should be left out. He said that the dratrings could be left in and that some of the concepts should be integrated into the definitions cf the parks & Opens Space P1an. Page 23, Recommendation 2 Mr. Boardman said that he �vould indicate that the Planning Com�nission had Many questions on the recommendation, Chairperson Harris s�.id that it seer�ed like the recominendation suggests reserving land for possible future use. He r�anted it clarified. Page 23� Recommendation 3 Mr. Boardman said that rrhat had to be done rfas to insure that park facilities are available to service the ponulation, that i�e don't double-up on the services. It should service the needs and not over- service the ponulation, He said that tlae objective lvas to develop an order of park facilities that tvould be flexible to the changing needs of the population. Mr. Boardrilan,that it referred to the compatibility of the different uses in the parks and each of the areas should be develoged accordingly, PLl�t�1NING COMT4ISSION MLTTING - DRCJ3�1B7:R 7, 1977 Pa�e 18 � Mr. Boardman said that he ��rould loolc into the actual purpcse of th:is recommendation and let the Pl.annin� Conmis �ion 1>nor� r�hat it rras trying to accomplish. Page 23, Recommendation t� The Planning Commission rras in agreement vfith that recommendation, Page 23, Recoramendation 5 It t��as decided by the Planning Commission that this recomrnendation belongeci unGer Objective 3. P��e 23� Objective 2� Policies 1£� 2 The Planning Commission agreed vrith these items. Page 23� Recommendation 1 at the bottom of the page The Pla.nning Commission suggested leaving out the worcl "immediate". Page 24� Recomnendation 2 The Plann?ng Commission suggested leaving out the taord ",arly" . Page 21�, Reconr�endation 3 The Pianning Commission agreed rrith the item. Page 21�, Reco*�mendation 4, Mr, Boardman said that the recommendation <<�as to either develop the parks inclicated under the recommendation as park property or else be dedicated or solci. It vas suggested by P�Ir, Lan�enfeld and Ms, Schnabel to acid a Recommendltion 5 under Objective 2, It would be raorded� "Conservation of Bnergy and Protection of facilities from vandalism". MOTION by fds, Schnabel, seconded by hfr. Langenfeld to continue the Parks � Open Space Plan. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously at 11;42 p,M, 7. RECEIV� COPiP4U�1ITY DEiIELOPt4I'1VT CONiI�1ISSI0N MINUTFS: NOVLT�IBLR 1,5> > 977 P•10TIOit by T4s. Scnnabel� seconded by t4r. Lan�enfeld, to receive the Community Development Commission minutes of "lovenber 15, 1977. ,. PLANNING COMt�ISSION M�rTIT1G - DECF�iB�R 7, 1977 Pa�e 19 Mr, Langenfeld asked if the Planning•Commission would like Mr. Ron Lokken from Bloomington to talk to the Commission regarding the Proposed Noise Control Ordinance and hotiv it was handled in Bloomington. Chairperson Iiarris said that that tvould be agreeable and informative. UPON A VOIC� VOT�� all voting aye� the raotion carxied.�nanimously, The minutes ��ere received at 1 1; t�t� p,p4� 8. RECEIVE APP�.4L5 COMMISSIOPI MINUTES: NOVI3�4BER 29. 19z7 MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by tdr. Langenfeld, to receive the Appeals Commission minutes of November 29, 1977� ? Ms. Schnabel indicated that the discussion on Council Acti:on on Variance on sign for Real Estate 10 at 951 Hilli•rind Road ATE had occurred because at the time the Appeals Commission first heard the request they didn't have the pictures, After the meeting the Staff person had gone out and taken pictures depicting the visibility of the Real Estate 10 building on HillEaind Road PIr� from Interstate 694. She said that at the follo�ving Appeals Commission meeting, the Commission savr the pictures and the Commission felt very differently about the decision that they had previously made, The Commission had asked that the pictures be sho�Jn to the City Council at the time of the request and that the Appeals Commission's feelings be expressed. She said that the Appeals Commission had not been sure that that had happened. She said that she had stated at the Appeals Commission that she sometimes felt that at the time the petitioners have to appear at previous Commissions before they appear before the City Council it is like a trial run. She said that lvhen the petitioner gets before the City Council they have it all figured out as to hovr to state their case. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The minutes ��rere received at 11:51 P,M, 9. MOTION by Mr. the November Commission. Langenfeld� seconded by Ms, Schn�bel, to receive 28, �977, minutes of the Parks & Recreation Ghairperson fI�rris asked what rras attempted to be accomplished by handling the Applications of Naturalist/Resource Coordinator position in the manner described. Mr. Boardman said that he ti•rasn�t sure i��hat the position ti�aauld involve, He explained that the previous person had accepted another position. UPON A VOIC� VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The minutes were received at 11:53 p.M. ' �� PLAIIPIING COt�[MISSIODT iRFPTING - bPCFh4BER ?, 1977 Pa�e 20 10. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel� to receive the November 22� 19'77� minutes of the Environmental �uality Commission. Mr. Langenfeld said that he had taken it upon himself to define the terms used in discussing the Noise Pollution Ordinance because the terms are used so often and many times people don't even knolr ti�ahat the words mean. UPON A VOICE VOTE� a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The minutes rtere receivecl at tt:55 p.i4. 11. OTH�R BUSIN�SS Mr, Boardman commented that many people in the Commissions v�ere goino to conferences, etc, He said that it should be upon the Cor,imission to approve i•rhether or not a member goes to a conference or not and then be sure that monies are available. Mr. Boardman explained seneral for by the City of Fridley and flzndings approved. fundings that had been applied the programs that already had Mr. Boardman explained the proposed bikei�ray system to the Plannin� Commission. ADJOURl`R•1�NT t�fOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by N1r, Langenfeld, to adjourn the Decembar 7, 1977, Planning Coranission meeting. Upon a voice vote� all votin� aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 12:09 A.M. Respectfully submitted, hfaryL e Carhill Recording Secretary ; __ -�..,, a ; i # CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING �airperson Harris called the December 21, 19'77, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:37 P.M. ROLL CALL• Members Present: Members Absent• Others Present: Shea� Bergman� Harris� Peterson, Schnabel, Langenfeld None Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Ray Leek� Associate Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 7, 1977 MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, that the Planning Commission approne the December '], 1977, Plannitt� Commission minutes. Mr. Langenfeld indicated that the Environmental Quality Commission had showed deep concern regarding the signalization oi� 79th and East River Road. He refereneed the fifth para�raph vn page 12 of the minutes� "Mr. Boardman said that the City had asked for lighting at that intersection. He said that the County said that there was no warrant for a traffic light at that inter- seetion. He indieated that City felt that enough traffic was generated at that point. He was relatively sure that traffic lights would eventually be put at that intersection.�' Mr. Langenfeld hoped that Mr. Boardman could assure the Commission that a signal light would go at that intersection some day. Chairperson Harris pointed out that Anoka County mas holding up the signalization of that intersection. Mr. Boardman said that Anoka County had to have proof of use of that intersection before they put up signals. He felt sure that the signal wouZd be justified as soon as the median tivas constructed on East River Road. He said that the residents from the Meadow Run Apartments would have to use that intersection in order to go South on East River Road. Mr. Langenfeld said that he merely wanted that point brought to the attention of the Planning Commission because it was an important item to the Environmental Quality Commission. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motiQn carried unanimously. The minutes were approved at 7:42 P,M. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - DECE�IBER 2T, 1977 pa�e 2 RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUmE5: DECEE�+�ER 1 1977 MOTION by M�. Shea, seconded by Mr. Langettfeld, that the Planaing Commission receive tke December 1, 1977, minutes of the Human Resources Commission. �. Ms. Shea indicated that Mr. Pete Fleming had told the members of the Human Resources Commission that they would be handling the Rt section of the Zoning Code at their next meeting. Mr. Boardman said that whea Staff was through reviewin� the Zoning Code, each of the member commissions would have a chance to review the recommendations. Mr. Boardman said that the liuman Resources Commission would not be handling the R1 Section o£ the Zoning Code at their ne$t meeting. Mr. Peterson asked what the Coatmission's intent was in the discussion regarding ��small" houses on Pages 1& 2 of the minutes. Ms. Shea s�i.d that according to the Metro Council, Fridley would have to consider allowing smaller houses. She said that the discussion was regarding exactly where these A+small�� houses (approximately �y.5 square feet) would be located in the City of Fridley. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The minutes were received at 7:y.� p,M. 1. CONTTNUED: PARKS & OPEN SPACE PLAN MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Ms. Shea, that the discussion on the P arks & Open Space Plan be limited to one hour. Upon a voice vote� all. voting aye, the motiott carried unanimously at 7:49 P.M. Mr. Bergman asked if throughout the establiskment of the amount of park required� are statements made in the Plan relateable back to some guidelines. Mr. Ray Leek said that the Metro Council Sources, State Recreational Council and the National Outdoor Recreation Association Standards were all used as guidelines. Mr. Bergman said that he felt the total park area in the City of Fridleq was above any recommended standard. Mr. Leek said that the City of Fridley had much natural park land but it was not all sensitive to ihe actual needs of the residents of the City of Fridley. PLAPINING COMMISSION MEETING - DECII�4BER 21, 1977 Pa�e Mr. Boardman said that the Park Facilities available to the City of Fridley were not necessarily the faci3ities that were needed by the residents of the City of Fridley. He said that a lot of the Park land was providing f2egional Park facilities and were not taking care of the citizen needs in Fridley. Mr. Leek said that ordinarily a community park system was operated primarily on the basis of three �roups of parks - Mini Parks, Neighborhood Parks, and large Community parks, Mr. Boardman said that when the City of Fridley first started developing the Park System, they made one big mistake in that they looked at very large parcels of land for acquisition and they failed to get park facilities that were needed in the neighborhoods that would serve the neighborhoods. He said what happened was that the City took what was Zeft over in a neighborhood development, and in some neighborhoods, that wasn�t much property� He said what the city ended up with was a large number of acres in large regional facilities that should really have beett the responsibilitq of the County. Chairperson Harris said that Locke Park was in that category. He explained that when that property was deeded to the City of Fridley for park purposes there were some unusua7. restrictions that were on that deeding. He said that that parcel of land was deeded by the Cassius Locke Estate to the City of Fridley and he said that it wasn�t really a c3eed but rather a form of a loan, Mr, Peterson sai,d that there were certain things in that deeding that if the City of Fridley didn�t do, the land would go to someone else to be sold. 4h�irperson Harris su��ested that the City Attorney ressarch Locke Park to decide what the City of Fridley could legally do regarding �� "" the land in Locke Park. Mr. Boardman said that he wasn't sure of how the deed read but he said that perhaps there would be some means of re- negotiaiing to allow the County to take over the maintenance of the Land. Chairperson Harris said that some problems could arise itt that (it was his understanding} the executors of the estate wouZd love to have the City oi Fridley default. Chairperson Harris again suggested that Mr. Boardman get together with the City Attorney to find out exactly ��mhere things were at�� regarding the Locke Park Zand. PLANNING COMMISSTON MEETING - DECEMBER 21. 1977 Pa�e 4 MOTION by Mr. Bergman� seconded by Ms. Shea, to change the wording on Pa�e 25, #5 to read� "5, Where possible, land should be acquired to improve the usefulness of inadequate neighborhood facilities,�� Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously at 8:0� P,M. Mr. Peterson commented that he wanted reality to be put in balance with what was being put on paper. He pointed out that even thou�h City Gouncil had said that they would consider takin� private land for park purposes under special conditions, each year they cut the Parks and Recreation Commission's budget so low that there would be nothing there to do the land acquisition, Mr. Boardman said that the Comprehensive Parks and Open Space Plan�s purpose was to try to spell out what exactly �1?at>was�n��ded and what direction should be taken. - -- Mr. Peterson didn't feel that a Comprehensine Plan was needed to tell the people what was needed, He said that the Parks and Recreation Commission knows what's needed in the City of Fridley, He said that it was indicated in their submitted budgets what they felt should be done, He felt that the people of Fridley know better than anyone else what Fridley needs, He said that i£ anyone wanted to know what the City of Fridley needs in regards to parks, a11 they would have to do is go back in the years and read the budgets that hane been submitted by the Parks and Recreation Commission. Ms, Schnabel said that� maybe, if nothing else� this Plan may get the members o£ the City Council to start thinking of the total parks system. Mr, Peterson said that more dollars would have to be budgeted for if land was to be acquisitioned, Chairperson Harris indicated to the members of the Commission that Islands of Peace Park should not be a burden on the Fridley Parks System. He said that originally that was to be a Regional-type operation and it now appeared to be a City operation. Mr. $oardman said that it wouldn't be long before it was taken over by the Foundation with State backing. He said that the Islands of Peace would be self-suffieient very soon. Chairperson Harris said that the maintenance was done by the City of Fridley on the Islands of Peace. Mr. Boardman said that the normal maintenance was done bythe City of Fridley and the other maintenaxice was by the Island of Peace Foundation. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - DECEMBER 21, 1977 Pa�e 5 Mr. Lan�enfeld said that once the Islands of Peace Park constructed an additional building, there would be a breaking away of "city assistance" because the building would be properly taken care of by the board. Mr. Boardman said that the State had granted $150,000 to the Islands of Peace development. He said that applicat�on had been made to the Metro Council for a"Regional, Special Use Park" classification. He said that once the Park got the Regional classification� it wou7.d be put on the Metropolitan Council Five Year Capital Improvement Program. Chairperson Harris asked if the City was still using the Program they had started, where they used trailers for warming houses at various parks. Mr. Peterson said that the trailsrs didn't work out, He said that much vandalism had occurred, He said that about the only buildings that could be used for warming house purposes were concrete block buildings that had steel. doors. He said tflat any other type of building had too m¢ch trouble with vanda2ism. Chairperson Harris asked why the City should provide facilities for people who only seemed to destroy everything. Mr. Bergman said that the ��standard answer" was that the destruction was usually caused by the minority of the total users and he said that it was built for the majority of the users. Mr. Boardman said that the more permattent structure that was used' the less vandalism was involved. He said that the City was trying to get the neighborhood people involved in the park facilities and in their neighborhoods, He said that the more the people were involved� the less vandalism e�as experienced. He said that they were trying to find out exactly what the ��kids�� wanted in a park facility, how they would design the parks, and how they felt they could get better use of the park facility. He said if that type of thing could be done, he was sure the City would see vandalism decrease in the areas, Ms. Shea said that the nicer a park facilitq buildin� looked, the less vandalism seemed to occur. Mr. Peterson said that if the existing park facilities were brought up to adequate standards in terms of �quipment� buildings, etc., the Parks and Recreation Commission had estimated that the cost would be over one million dollars. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - DECEMBER 21, 1977 Pa�e 6 Mr. Leek said that there was no real answer regarding vandalism, He said that that the only ideas they had were twofold: 1) the more aitractive and useful the facility, the somewhat less likely to be vandalized; 2) the more involved the known or potential users of that facility are in the design and construction of it, the less likely the vandalism. He cited an example that in Minneapolis� the City Recreation and Park Planning Staff actually had kids design their own park. He said they put together ideas of what they thought the parks should be and those ideas were implemented in the park, He said that the particular park had close to zero vandalism. Mr. Leek said that the planning staff had actually gone into the schools and spent time with the kids to get their ideas of athat the kids actually wanted in a park facility. Ms. Shea said that in general, people did not have faith in $overning bodies, She said that the people can be told that they can design a park but those people won�t believe it to be true. She said that their attitude was more the idea that the City would do cuhatener they want to do anyway;,� so why should they bother. Mr, Boardman said that they would develop a program that would be a project at the teen-age Zevel and that would be handled directly through the schools. Mr. Boardman said that enough input had to be gotten so that the end result would be that the neighborhood would feel that the park facilities �vere theirs'. Mr. Peterson said that if there was a relatively small amount of nandalism in the park facilites, that would prove that it was a good concept, Mr. Bergman su$gested that someone from City Administration get into the High Schools and solicit the help from the teen- agers and let them know that a certain amount of dollars would be the tab for a park facility and would they help to design it. It was decided by the Planning Commission that item #6 on Page 25 of the Parks and Open Space Plan was acceptable as written. Mr. Leek explained that the intent of #? was that there was a need in the City of Fridley to provide more intensive use recreatiottal areas. He said that r�intensive use�� were sports that involved field and court games, i.e, baseball, £ootball tennis� softball� etc.). � f �hairperson Harris said that there wasn't anything in the area f discussion that indicated who actually was using the parks. 13�e said that not everybody in the City used the parks and in the recreational areas not everyone that used the facilities were residents of the City. He asked if that point had every been considered� Mr. Peterson said that that aspect had been researched. He said that in all the high-use parks in the City, the person using the park facility had to either live in Fridley� worls in Fridley� or attend church in Fridley. If the person didn�t qualify in one of the three stipulations, then they did not use the fields. He said that teams had been asked to Ieave the parks or leagues because they didn't fit into one of the three catagories. Mr. Peterson said that most of the Programs in the City of Fridley were made up of 99.9� Fridley people. He said that Locke Park differed in that only 20% of its users were residents of the City of Fridley. Ae said that 80'� of the use of Locke Park was by people that did not live� work� or attend church in Fridley. Mr. Boardman said that the KEY issue shouZd be that Fridley should be in the business of providing park facilities for the residents of Fridley. Chairperson Harris su�gested giving the Park property back to the Locke Estate. Chairperson first as to Locke Park. Harris said that it should be taken care of the direction that should be followed regarding Mr. Peterson asked that item #� on Page 25 of the Parks and Open Space Plan be rewritten. Mr. Boardman said that he would see that #7 was rewritten before the next meeting. ADJOIIRNMENT MOTION by Ms. Shea� seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to adjourn the December 21� 1977� Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion earried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 8:58 P.M, Respectfully submitted, (,�22�� Mary ee Carhil —' Recording Secretary HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER i, 1977 Pffi4BERS PRESENT: Barbara Shea, Ned Storla (arrived 8:10 p.m.), Harold gelgum, David Thiele, Mary Jo Dobson MEMBERS ABSENT: None OTHERS PRESENT: Pete Fleming, �dministrative Assistant Betty Christlieb, Housing Specialist CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson.Shea called the meeting to order at,7;35 p.m. WELCOME NEW CONA7ISSION MEMBER: Chairperson Shea welcomed Mary Jo Dobson to the Co�ission and introduced her to the Commission members. APPROVE-N0�'[•ffiER 3, 1977, HUMAN RESOURCES COMNIISSION MINUTES: MOTION by David Thiele, seconded by Harold Belgum, to approve the November 3, 1977, Human Resources Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. CONTINUED: REVIEW OF ADVISORY STANDARDS FOR LAND USE REGULATIONS: Ms. Shea stated that the Planning Co�fssion would like the �ommission's input on this as it all tied into the Zoning Ordinance. Mr, Belgum stated that a professional at Metropolitan Council must have done a lot of research and studying to write this report. He had confidence that the Metropolitan Council's staff was pretty solid. He said he could not claim to know that any point in this report was not solid or not based on good research. Ms. Christlieb stated that she thought this was basically a sound report. She also thought that each co�unity had to look at it and see what parts could be dealt with in their community. The residents had to decide what they could use. Ms. Shea stated she would be concerned with the small houses. She thought that when they.started going through all of this, it was important to say [hat any house that was built should fit into the aesthetics of the neighborhood. � ' HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING DECEPffiER 1, 1977 - PAGE 2 Mr. Thiele stated that he agreed with Ms. Shea, but it was a hard thing to say that people with more money could afford larger houses and people with less money could only afford smaller houses. Mr. gelgum asked Ms. Christlieb if she would tell the Co�ission a littLe about her background. Ms, Christlieb stated she was classified as a Housing Specialist. She was hired to work with tfie Section 8 Rental Assistance Program and the Housing Rehabilitation Program. Her educucational background included course work in geography, archi:tecture, fiistory, housing design and urban study. She. had interned witfi tfie rTinneapolis Housing Authority. Mr, gelgum thanked Ms. Christlieb for telling the Commission about her back- ground. The point he wanted to make was that Ms. Christlieb and others who had worked with housing would know more about this report than the Coum�ission members who did not have that kind of background. MOTION by Harold Belgum, seconded by Mary Jo Dobson, that the Human Resources Commission expressed a general approval of the intentions and concepts repre- sented in the "Advisory Standards for Land Use Regulations". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Ms. Shea stated the Commissioners should read the R1 section of the Zoning Code before the next meeting as they would be dealing wi.th that. REVIEW OF PROPOSED MAINTENANCE CODE: The Co�ission members made some recommendations to the MainCenance Code, but agreed to hold these recoumiendations until they finished reviewing the Maintenance Code at the January meeting. MOTION by David Thiele, seconded by Mary Jo Dobson, that review of the Proposed Maintenance Code be continued at the next meeting when a list of the C�ission's changes and recommendations would be forwarded to the Planning Coo�mission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE REPORT ON TENANT/LANDLORD PROJECT CON�ffTTEE: Ms. Dobsonsaid that Mr. Do6son could not be present at the meeting, but wanted the following added to the minutes: The meeting and topic in December would be on December 12 and Carla Epdahl of the State Crime Co�ission would be there along with the Eridley Police Department. On ,7anuary 9, 1978, the program would include Jack Hoerning, a lawyer from Multi-Housing Association, John Braugh, the Anoka County Judicare Admini- strator, and Judge Edward Coleman from Anoka County. All the Commission members were invited to attend these programs. _ ...•�^� HUMAN RESOURCES COt�II�fISSION MEETING DECII�iBER l, 1977 - PAGE 3 Ms. Dobson asked that besides the Sun Newspaper and the Library, where else could they advertise these programsY Mr. gelgum stated that with this kind of excellent programming, it would be tragic if the word was not gotten out. Mr. Fleming stated that the City had a radio report for two minutes every Thursday and he would be happy to share this information with B1ake Balzart, Communications Aide, in the hope of getting this in thaC report. Mr. Storla stated there was also the coa�unications bulletin board. Mr. Belgum stated that the Tenant/Landlord Project Committee should be co�ended for this excellent level of prograum�ing. MOTION by Ned Storla, seconded by Harold Belgum, to receive the November 14, 1977, Tenant/Landlord Project Co�ittee meeting report. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE COPY OF CITY OF FRIDLEY ZODTING ORDINANCE: MOTION by Harold gelgum, seconded by David Thiele, to receive the City of Fridley Zoning Ordinance. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. OTIiER BUSINESS: Mr. Belgum stated he represented the Commission on the Community Schools Coordinating Committee and that Committee was planning a survey of the City of Fridley in the amount of $5,000. The Committee was now looking for a professional survey company or corporation to do this survey. Mr. Belgum said his point was that here was a unit supported by tax money from the public schools, they were responsible to the School Board, but the School Board members never questioned, but accepted, what the Co�ittee did. They had a large amount of money with a very wide latitude as to what could be classified as appropriate concerns to the community schools. Mr. Belgum stated that about a half a year ago, he proposed to City Council that they devote $500 to do a survey to find out what the people in Fridley were interasted in. A journalism student would have done the work and the $500 would have been for the computer costs. The City Council turned it down. Now Community Schools was going to do the survey. Mr. Belgum stated he had gone to Mr. Boardman, City pl�ner, to see if he knew about this and Mr. Boardman stated he had not heard about it. Mr, gelgum had asked Mr. goardman if he knew T� Myhra, the head of Coum�unity Schools, and Mr. Boardman stated he had heard of Mr. IQyhra, but had never met him. Mr. Belgum asked Mr. Boardman if he would like to meet Mr. Myhra as the Co�unity Schools and the City of Fridley were both supported by tax money and both were responsible to a11 the citizens of the community. Mr. Boardman HUMAN RESOURCES CdPR4ISSI0N MEETTNG DECEMBER 1 1977 - PAGE 4 stated he would like to meet Mr. Myhra. Mr, gelgum stated he had arranged a luncheon meeting with Mr. Boardman, Mr. Myhra, and himself because, for one thing, they had never met, both schooland city were concerned about neighborhood development, school and city were planning a survey to find out people's wishes and needs, school and city were public structures supported by taxes, and responsible to the citizens. Mr. Belgum �ated he would like the Con¢nission's approval of this meeting. Ms. Shea stated the meeting was an excellent idea. it would be useful just simply to get these two gentlemen togeCher. MOTION by Mary Jo Dobson, seconded by Ned Storla, that this Commission approved the meeting of Mr. Belgum, Mr. Boardman and Mr. Myhra. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion earried unanimously. Mrd Belgum asked the Commission members if there was anything they would like to know about Fridley through this survey. He stated that one question that would be very useful for the Co�ission to think about was: How could they get to the neighborhoods in Fridley to find out what people thought? MOTION by David Thiele, seconded by Harold Belgum, that the subject of a survey be put on the January agenda and that each C�ission member come up with five most urgent questions concerning human resources in the community. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Christlieb and Mr. Fleming were invited to come up with five questions also. AD.TOURNMENT• MOTION by David Thiele, seconded by Harold gelgum, to adjourn the meeting at 9;35 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfnlly subm ted, c.e Lyn e Saba gecording Secretary