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PL 03/22/1978 - 6629PLANNING COMMISSION MEETIN6 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: City of Fridley AGENDA MARCH 22, 1978 APPROVE PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MINUTES: tMRCH 8, 1978 1. CONTINUED: VACATION REQUEST, SAU #78-01, BY JOSEPH SINIGALIO: Vacate 48th Avenue N.E. djacent to, and South of Lot 16, Block 1, Plymouth Addition, and adjacent to and North of Lot 30, Biock 8, Plyr�outh Addition, East of 3rd Street N.E. and blest of University Avenue N.E. 2: PUBLIC NEARIN6: CONSIDERATIOfd OF REQUEST FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP # 78-03, BY HARVEY D. ROLSTAD: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 2, A, to allow a second accessory bu9lding, a tuck under garage, to be constructed along with a new house, located on Lot 15, and the Southerly 15 feet of Lot 14, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, the same being 4600 2nd Street N.E. 3. LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. #78-01, BY HARVEY D. ROLSTAD � Split off the Southerly 15 feet of Lot 14, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, and add it to Lot 15, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, to make a buildable single family lot, the same being 4600 2nd Street N.E. See variance request from Appeals Commission minutes of 14arch 14, 1978, same petitioner, same address. 4. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING REQUEST, ZOA # 78-01, BY DAVID KRANBER: Reione Lots 22, 23, 24, Block 6, rid ey Park, from R-3 (generaly multiple dwellings) to CR-1 (generaly offices and limited businesses) to allow the construction of a professional building, the same being 6503 East River Road N.E. 5. VACATION REQUEST, SAV #78-02, BY DAVID KRANBER: Vdcate the 2 foot unimprove a ey Zn B oc , ri ey Park, t6500 block on the East side of East River Road). 6. RECEIVE AtdENDED 4ARK AND OPEN SPRCE PLAN 7. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COffi1ISSI0N MINUTES: fEBRU RY 2, 19 S 9. COtd�4ISSI0N FlINUTES: 70. RECEIVE APPEALS COM�IISSION t4INUTES: MARCH 14, 1978 11. 07HER BUSINESS: ADJOURNPiENT: 7:30 P.M. PAGES 1 - 19 20 - 22 23 - 27 28 - 29 30 - 34 35 -38 ' SEPARATE GREEN SALMON YELLOi�! � _ , ._ CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMI5SION MEE'TING MARCH 8, 1978 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Harris called the March 8, 197$, planning Cammission meeting to order at 7:39 P.M, ROLL CALL: Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: Shea, Bergman, Harris, Peterson, 5chnabel Langenfeld None Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Mr. Peterson arrived at the Planning Commission meeting at 8:30 P,M. Ms. Schnabel arrived at the Planning Commission meeting at 8:59 P.M, APPROVE PLANNING CONMISSION MINUTES: FFBRUARY 8 1978 MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, to approve the February 8, 1978, Planning Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye the motion carried unanimously, 1. F'RIDLEY CITY COD�� SECTSOI3 205.101 � 3, T3, TO ALI,O:"! TfIE DE?JET,OPMENT OF A 5�000 SQUARE FOOT GARDEN C:;1VT�R IN mHEIR PARKING LOT� ON LOT 9r AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISION N0, 94, T&E SAME BEING 5351 CENTRAZ AVENt3E N,E, Public Hearing Open. Chairperson Harris indicated that a meeting had been hel.d on February 15, 1978, at ']:30 P,M. Mr, Harris said that it was a Workshop-type meeting that included the Mayor., Mr, Schneider (the Ward Councilman), Mr. Menard, Mr, Seeger, and several of the concerned citizens of the area, and himself, He said that several problems were discussed that were.connected �vith the Menard Cashivay Lumber Company, He said that the potential problems were also discussed that could arise from the proposed Garden Center, He indicated that he felt some agreements wera reached� Chairperson Harris said that Ms. Mary E. Cooney of '7j9-113th Ave, N.E. had called him explaining that she tivas not able to attend the meeting. He said that sbe stressed her opposition to the proposed Garden Center. � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - MARCH 8, 1978 Pa�e 2 Chairperson Harris said that a list of three items was agreed upon at the February 15, 1978 meeting: a) Public Address System off, e$cept in emergencies. b) Eliminate the noisy air conditioning system, c) Truck deliveries between the hours of 8:00 A,M. and 9:00 P�M, ONLY Chairperson Aarris asked if these ihree items had been taken care of. Mr. Menard of Menard Cashway Lumber, 535t Central Ave. NE, said that they had shut off the Public Address System outside the rear building area. He said that there had not been z truck at the operation before 8:00 A,M, or after 9:00 P,M. since the meeting. He said that he built a saw shed to eliminate some of the noise that the saw was making, and he said that the air conditioning system was being worked on by Minnegasco. Mr. Seeger of Menard Cashway Lumber Company said that he had received a complaint that truck noise was coming from the direction of the building at 6:15 A,M. on a given morning. He said that they had checked all the Guard�s records, and no truck was reported near their operation at that time. He wasn't sure where the no�,se was coming from, Ms. Mary L. Mathews af 1259 Skywood I,ane N,E.� said that the Menard's dumpster truck vaas emptying the dumpster located on the le£t side of the Menard�s building. She said that the dumping occurred at 6:t5 A.M. on a Saturday morning. Mr. Menard said that they had no records of the fact that the dumpster was emptied at that time on any Saturday. Ms. Mathews pointed out that the lumber inventory in the Menards yard was above the fence. She wanted to know when they would be made to abide by the present codes,. Chairperson Harris asked Ms. hiathews if there had been any improvement at all since the February 15th meeting, Ms. Mathe�vs said that she actually hadn't been home that much. However� she said that the noise vvas siill had, She did indicate that she had not recently heard the Public Address System, She said that Menards still hadn't cleaned up their operation from the visual aspect� Ms, Mathews felt that Menards tivas a"cheap�' operation. She said that Menards did not want to put money into the cleaning up of the operation. She had come to the realization that she doesn�t believe that Menards tvill ever be cleaned up. She said that she tivas very bitter over the whole situation. She didn't feel that Menards was really compatible ivith the area, She said that it vras obvious that they moved into the wrong area and were allowed to expand at will. Now she wanted to know what could be done from the citizenry viewpoint. . _ . _ 1:. . .. . . .. . . . . . . . v . . . i. ...s�i. PLANNING COMMTS5ION MEL'TTNG - MARCH 8, 1g7$ Page 3 Mr. See�er said that in the past six months Menards had done almost everything possible to restore some good-will in the neighborhood, He said they had black-topped the rear area, they had fixed-up the racks, they provided trash barrels in the parking lots and replaced them when they vrere destroyed by psople. He said that they quit pushing snow on property that didn't bel.ong to them, He said Menards had the loud speakers turned away from the neighborhood residential area and then shortly after that they had the Public Address system turned off entirely at the rear of the building. He said that they had built a saiv shed to help elimiriate the noise. Mr. Seeger said that Menards no longer allotved the trucks to make deliveries or pick-ups before 8:G0 A,M, or after 9:00 P.M. He said that he felt that Menards tivas trying to do their best to cooperate. He said that Menards was really trying to do the ri�ht things, Chairperson Harris told Mr, Menard that there was a City Ordinance that said storage should not extend above the fences� Mr. Soardman said that storage material had to be screened from the Fublic Right of 4Vay. He said that all materials that were screened had to be screened two feet belotisr the highest 1eve1 of the fence with the maximum height of the fence being eight feet. Mr, Lang of 1278 Skywood Lane said that he mainly opposed the Special Use Permit because of the traffi_c problem, Iie said that the Garden Center would only add to already existing traf£ic hazard. He said that he felt that once the intersection improvement l�ras finisheds he raould have no objections to Ner.ards adding a Garden Center. He felt that the present time tvas bad for such a venture. He didn�t feel it ��aas the proper time to encourage additional usage of the aiea. Ms. Matheivs wanted to know hovr the Menard Cashtiray Lumber Company could be considered a"compatible" operation, She said that no one really gives her any answers. She said that the Company originally went in the area as a small remodeling operation and ti�ras a11ov✓ed to expand completely at wi1I. She didn't feel it U�as fair that the residents in the area merely had to "live" rrith the fact that the operation is in existence. She said she wasn�t actually suggesting that Menards completely pull out of the area but merely reduce back to its original intent. She felt that as a citizen she had been cheated. Chairperson Harris said that the only answer he had u�as that there was noGhing in the Zoning Codes that prohibited tha� pariicular type of operation, He said they were trying to make tize hest situation of what they had. He said they only had the codes that were in existence. He said they could only try to work together to try to make the itiho"le situation a lot more liveable for everyone involved. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - MARCH 8, i978 Page 4 Mr. Langenfeld addressefl Mr. Lang, He said that he understood his position as far as the traffic problem in that area, however, he personally felt that traffic alone was not enough to deny the Special Use Permit. He said that if it could deiinitely be proven it was against the health, safety, and welfare of the people, then possibly it could be a reason for deniaL Mr. Lang agreed that his objections addressed a potential problem, He wanted to know if everyone was going to wait until some tragedy happened before action would be taken, He felt that the City shoul@ try to prevent tragedies from happening, He said that the proposed garden center would only add to the problem. He said that if the highway improvement was not scheduled for this time, he would have no objections, He said that the issue was an unusual situation, He said that not adding to the already existing confusion in that area was the responsibility of the City, He said that the least amount of traffic should be encouraged to use that area during the time of the construction. Mr. Langenfeld definitely agreed with Mr, Lang's comments, He said that he felt the whole area was abnormal as far as traveling and the traffic situation, He said that .Mr.,Zang's comments would be kept in mind by the Commission in making their decision. Mr. Langenfeld asked if Ms, Mathews was satisfied with the meeting that had been conducted on February 15, �978. r4s. Mathetivs said that she had not been home much during the time since the meeting, She was upset by the 6:15 A,M, incident with the trash recepticle truck and she said she had occasion to be hame that afternoon (March 8th) and that the noise was extreme; She said that she r�anted Menards to lower the level of their storage so that it wasn't over the fences, She indicated that the main reasons for that request was that by lolvering the stacks, Menards would have to lower their inventory and thus they �vould cut the loading and unloading of the lumber. She really be�ieved that Menards had been allowed to expand at free will aud she felt that if there was a code that could control their expansio� then she wanted to see that cade enforced. Mr. Langenfeld said that at times the Commission came across situations which perhaps as individuals they were not entirsly for or whatever (not saying they tivere for or against the present issue), but he explained that they had to abide by certain rules and regulations and with the particular issue it tvas zonin�' etc. He explained that no matter hom much the commission members did or did not like a situation there �vas not much they could do other than abide by those rules and regulations. He went on to exulain that Menards was requesting a Special Use Permit. He said that the Commission could set certain .stipulations on that permit that could establish a 1ot of control by the City on the Operation. PLANNING C�MMISSiON MEF.TING - MARCH 8, i978 Pa�e 5 Mr. Langenfeld said that in the Planning Commission meeting minutes of January 25, t978, he had pointed out that in the past Menards had not always been cooperative v�ith the City and he definitely agreed that a complete study of the fire lanes, traffic flotiv and general safety, and proper removal of rubbish and proper clean up of the premises take place daily. He said that in other words to`give Menards a means of sholving the c�ty a genuine display of "good faith��. He felt that since the door had been opened between the parties involved in the conflict that perhaps an agreement could be made. Mr. Langenfeld asked where ihe greenhouse vrould be �ocated. Mr. Seeger said ihat it would be located next to the building� to the North. Chairperson Harris asked how much additional traffic Menards' garden center �vould generate, Mr, Menard said that they estimated the sales to be approximately $75,OQ0 for the opening period, He pointed out that due to the tirae involved 171t11 obtaining the Special Use Permit, he wasn't sure he would have the time enough to order all that he wanted to for the Garden Center venture. He said that he didn't have a iigure of how many additional people vtould be generated, Ee said that he expected that a great number of the garden center customers ivould be people that already patronized 1?enards. Mr. Lang said that he felt hlenards had to have some estimated figures before they ever decided to take on such a venture. He said that any business had to justify a garden center before actually putting one in, He said that there had to be a definite profit realized and that Menards must have had some figures to base that expected profit on, Mr. Langenfeld indicated that Menards had said that the Garden Center was experimental, He said that possibly during that experiment, Menards would then estimate exactly what amount of business the Center would generate. Mr. Langenfeld stated that he couldn�t understand why there vras so much trouble v�ith the particular situation. He hoped that Menards and the citizenry could resolve their problems and act accordingly. He said that he had never seen such a situation that keeps coming up all the time as problems. He hoped that with Mr. Seeger's help� the situations could be resolved. PLANNING COMMISSION ME�TTNG - MARCH 8, 1978 PaRe 6 Chairperson Harris asked about Menard�s plans for a"hoop house". Mr. Menard said that the easiest way to protect the smaller plants v�ould be by use of a hoop�house. He said that the poles supporting the hoop house would be anchored by cement blocks. Chairperson Harris asked if it vras planned for a In other words, he wanted to knotiv if it would be of the season as well as alI the fencing� etc. temporary structure. removed at the end Mr. Menard sai� that at the end of the +�season�� everything would be removed from the parking area, Mr. Seeger said that some of the plans for the Garden Center vaere vague because of the delays they �r�ere having getting the Special Use Permit. He said that they hadn't gotten to the point of the actual planning because they vranted to make sure they could get a Permit. Ms, MatheiF�s said that she strongly opposed Menard�s Garden Center. She said it would add to the already deteriorating situation of noise and visual pollution. The intersection tvith its forthcoming up�radin� ��ould Iend to an already existing traffic hazard� She feZt that at that time� the proposed addition of a Garden Center �vould only contribute to the already deteriorating environment on the homes in the area. 1�IOTION by Ms, Shea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, aI1 voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 8:31 P,M. Ms. Shea said that she had mixed feelings on ihe issue. She said that she didn't like the "hoop house�� that Menard's rras proposing, She said that the tra£fic in the area couldn't possibly get any worse. She said that a person actually took their lives in their own hands ti•rhen they traveled in that area, She said that it was greatly against the public health� safety� and vrelfare. Mr. Bergman said that he felt aurk�rard about the conflicts that ivere involved c�ith the request. He said that there really vrasn�t much that could he done about some of the problems because they raere caused by the Zonings of the area, He feit that the,cause of some of the problems tivas merely the incompatibility of the different zonings abutting each other, He said that since they i�rere in the process of revie�ring the Zoning Codes, some of those issues �vould be studied at that time. PLANNING COMMISSTON MEETIP#G - MARCH 8, 1978 PaRe 7 Mr. Bergman agreed that there was a traffic problem in the area. He personally didn�t conclude that the difference in the amount of traffic generated by the addition of the Garden Center would specifically change the situation from non-hazardous ta a hazardous, Mr. Bergman said that Menards would have to abide by the ordinances governing the outside storage of his inventory. Mr. Bergman said that directly effecting the request, the Garden Center would not be adjacent to the residential area, He said that it was well screened from the residential area. He didn't think that it had any direct bearing on any of the residential conflicts with Menards, Mr. Langenfeld said that his general opinion tivas that if the entire situation was to be improved� then the improvement should be made by Menards improving t�e existing facility, He said that he did not feel that Menards v�ould suffer a hardship in the event that the particular garden center did not exist. He said that perhaps in the coming years� the traffic flow vaould be improved and Menards history would most likely be a different story. He said at that time, perhaps, the Commission could act again on the issue. Mr. Boardman said that from a Planning standpoint there rrere real problems �Frith the request, He said that the City of I'ridley vras trying to eliminate the temporary-type requests� He said that because of the type of situation and be�ause it was a temporary operation it appeared to be a haphazard operation. Ae said that it seemed to be merely tnroem togetl:er. He said that the fence in existence on the Menards property vJas basically less than desirable type of fencing. He said that it has been banged around and had many dents in it, He said that from the visual aspect, it just didn't look good. He said that Menards didn't appear to want to raake any type of financial commitment to make the operation ��ork, He said they �nerely ��ranted to try it as an experiment at the expense of the neighbors and the City, He felt that the purpose �rould be defeated by allotring anything bui a iotal commitment by a business for this type of an out- side operation. Chairperson Harris reminded the Commission that there ivere certain vehicles that the Commission could use if, in its wisdom, decided to permit such an operation� and that ivas by use of stipulations on the Special Use Permit. MQTION BY Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Shea, thai ihe Planning Commission recommend denial of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP r�8-01, by Menard Cashvfay Lumber; Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101� 3,N� to allow the development of a 5,000 square foot garden center in their parking lot, on Lot 9� Auditor's Subdivision No. 94: the san;e being 5351 Central Avenue N. E. PLANNING COMMISSION ME�TING - MARCH 8, 1978 Page 8 Mr. Langenfeld said that some of the reasons for his recommending denial were that he did not feel that the lack of a garden center would create a hardship on the existing business. He said that it was a speculative venture that Menards �aas hoping to undertake and the temporary nature of the entire garden aenter concept did not meet to his likina. He said that he vras deeply concerned about the a2ready abnormal traffic situation. He sazd that he was not anti- business� but he felt it vras the proper motion to make. Ms. Shea said that Mr. Menard had mentioned the possibility of returning next year ti��ith the request for a garden center and she hoped that he would decide to do that. She said that maybe a one- year cooling off period might be a good idea. She said that possibly by next year they vrouldn�t have the many underlying.problems. Mr. Bergman re-enforced Ms. Shea�s comments. He felt that vaithout question the underlying neighborhood problems had put an excessive burden on the issue. He said that he hoped Menards paid some attention to the discussion t�hat had gone on arid he hoped they ti��ouZd re-address the request at a future time. Chairperson Harris said that he v�ould vote against the motion because he didn't feel there �vas a strong enough case for denial. He said that the traffic situation was not the petitioner�s problem� he said it tvas the City's. He said that the situation between the neighborhood and Mr. Menard had been an on-going situation which he didn�t feel the City, in the past, had done its best to resolve until recently. He didn"t believe that the manner in vahich the �vhole situation ivas handled vaas in the best interest of the City, the neighbors� or Mr. Menard. Chairperson Harris said that he did not like semi-temporary operations, Hoti�aever� he was not certain that the City really vJanted that garden center at that location� and that maybe in another year it would be decided that it would be better at a different location, if at all. He said that he had not heard a valid reason to deny the Special Use Permit request. Chairperson Harris reminded the Commission ihat the burden of denial for a Permit ti�ias upcn the City, He said that the burden of proof for a variance ivas upon the petitioner to shovr a hardship. Mr. Boardman said that he tivas not necessarily a�ainst the granting of a Special Use Permit for the Garden Center in general. He was against the temporary feature of the garden center, He said it tiyas. the type of thing that the City of Fridley eras trying to clean-up. He said the temporary garden center at that location would be at the expense of the visual aspects of the entire shopping center. Mr. Peterson said that a precedent had been established �vhen the City allowed Holiday Village to "try out" their garden center for a number of years. He felt that the City had an obli�ation to enconrage that type of operation� He said that the City did have an obligation to help businesses in the City. �., PLANNING C�P4MI�SIQN P�(EETING - �IARCH 8, 1978 Pa�e 9 Mr. Boardman said that the City of Fridl�y could not continue to allow temporary operations v�ithin parkin� lots to see if they vrill or wi1Z not "v�ork". He said that he really felt there were other 1QCations in the Menard's operation ��here they could �'try" a garden center on a temporary basis where it vrouldn�t contribute to the visual pollution in the area. Mr. Bergman said that even though they were unable to come up with a specific code related to the reasons for denial, he felt that there were many concerns that vaere all relating to the outside expansion of the Menard�s activity. Mr. Lan�enfeld emphasized the fact that he was not against business. He said that he was aware of the procedures in which Special Use Permits could or could not be denied� especially in the legal aspects. He felt that the vahole situation tiras very interesting because he la�as getting the feeling that any time a citizen t�ranted to request something that could be hard to get� that person could apply for a Special Use Permit and because of the legal aspects they vioul.d be able to be granted the Permit ._ and they ivould have the Commission "licked��! UPOTT A VOICE VOTE, Ms� Shea, Mr. Bergman, and Mr. Langenfeld voting aye; Mr. Peterson and P4r. Harris voting nay; and Ms. Schr.abel abstaining; the motion carried. Chairperson Harris indicated that the request for a Special Use Permit, SP �78-01� by Menard Cashlvay Lumber: Per Fridley City Code� Section 205.101,3sP1, to allo�a the development o£ a 5�000 square foot garden center in their parking iot, on Lot 9, Auditor's Subdivision No, g4, the same being 5351 Central Avenue P7E rras recommended to City Council for denial. He said that it v�ould go to City Council on March 20, 197�3, 2. �IACATION PLYAtOUTH ADDITION� PLYMOUTH ADDITION� �1VENUE N�.) SAV a`78-01 BY JOSEPH SINIGALIO: VIICATY A� . U SG H OF LOT 1� BLOCK 1� AI`iD ADJACENT TO ADTD NORTH OF LOT 30� BLOCK 8� EAST OF 3rd STREET N� AND 6YEST OF UNIVERSITY Mr. Boardman said that the request lvas to vacate 48th Avenue between University Avenue and Third Street. He said it vras similar to �vhat had been requested on 4%th Avenue. He said that the reason for the vacation request 1��as to make another buildable loi in ihe area. He said that there was a lot to the south of 48th Avenue that vras 38.1 feet and with the vacation, it tivould result in a buildable lot. He said that the street involved tivas 60 feet tvide. He said that there yras a storm and sanitary se«er in the street, He said that utility easments would have to be maintained at the time of the vacation. FZANNTNG COMMISSION MPFTING - MARCH 8, 1978 Pa�e 10 Upon further investigation� Mr. IIoardman discovered that the sewer systems in the street didn�t appear to be connected to anything and it v�asn�t krioti�an vahat it ivas used to drain. He said he would� of course, check further on the problem. Chairperson Narris said that as it stood� Mr. Sinigalio had a 38foot lot and with the 30 feet from the street vacation, he would have a resulting 68 foot zot wkich could be used fi�uring his total lot area. Ho�rever, Mr. Harris pointed out, he may not be able to build on the north 25 feet of the lot. Mr. Boardma.n explained it would be possible to construct a living structure crith a detached garage tucked behind the house and the drivel��ay over the utility easement, it would be possibl.e to build a 33 foot viide house� without variances. Mr. Bergman asked ovhat the condition of the street was, Mr. Sinigalio said that it tivas blacktop but had no curb system. He said that the sireet did not cross University Avenue but was plowed zn the rrinter. Chairperson Harris said that the Commission should have an oppertuniiy to talk to the adjacent land owner. Mr. Sinigalio asked evhat ��rould happen if the adjacent land owner didn�t tvant the extra 30 feet that ivould come £rom the vacation of the street. Chairperson Harris expZained to Mr. Sinigalio hov� street de�ications carae about and the proper procedure that would have to be followed vahen vacatiilg the street. He said that in the event the adjacent land ovm er did not want the other 30 feet, Mr. Sinigalio would have to obtain a deed from that person for that other 30 feet. P4r. Ber�man suggested that the petitioner keep in touch i��ith Mr. Boardman to see rrhat he found out about the sewer systems in 4&th Avenue. He said that Mr. Boardman�s findings may have some effect on hoi� interested the petitzoner vrould still be about the vacation request. MOTION by N1r. Bergman, seconded by Mr. Peterson, that the Planning Commission continue the Vac�tion Request, SAiJ i�78-01, by Joseph Sinigalio: Vacate 48th �venue NE (adjacent to and South of Lot 16, Block t� Plymouth Addition� and adjacent to and North of Lot 30� Block 8� Plymouth Addition� East of 3rd Street NE and VVest of University Avenue NP) until such time that utility needs had teen identified and checked out and identification �nd contact of the other property o�vner has been accomplished and at the petitioner�s satisfaction to return, Upon a voice vote, all vo�ing aye� the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Harris declared a break at 9:35 p.M. PLANNING COMI�I�SION MTETING - MARCH 8, i978 Pa�e 11 3. Mr. Boardman said that it regarded the HUD program. He said that it would be used to get monies released for the.Pro�ram, He said that what the Commission had in their possession was a copy of the environmental review. He said that notices had been put in the papers for response by March 10� 1978. He said that they received no responses . He said that after March 10th another notice i�rould be put in the papers asking for release of funds. He said that it �vould be published March 15, t978, He said that they eaould request the release of funds' by letter� to HUD� en March 20, 1978, for the rehabilitation program. MOTION by t4r. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Ber�nan, that the Planning Commission receive the i.nvironraental Reviei°r Record and concur with same. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Ms. Schnabel mentioned ttivo neUrspaper articles she had talked about at a previous Planning Commission meeting. She felt that the articles did pertain to the Hyde Park area and could be items that may be discussed regarding the rehabilitation of that area. She said that one of the points addressed the taxing issue. 1. "Localities should revise their tax codes so that families vrho improve their ho�es needn�t fear immediate, high property- tax hikes. St. Louis offers a 10-year abatement� for instance. And on Bostom's model� cities should set up one- stop officies to help people with rehabilitai;ion problems." She said that the other point addressed the building codes: 2. "Cities must cut doe�rn on the underbrush of regulations, permits� and special taxes imnosed on "rehab" activity. They should enact separate housing cocles for rehabilitation somev�hat less stringent than those for new housing." Ms. Schnabel explained that it had to be realized that a great dezl of the r�ork that lvas being done on rehabilitation lrras being done by the otmer. She said that maybe soe�e of the codes �^�ere too stringent and possibly codes could be adopted that were a little more lenient so that the home ovfner could bring the house into "safety" but not be burdened by great costs, Mr. Boardman said that it could possibly be sent to Community Development for their research and discussion, prior to the Planning Commission actually discussing it. . PLANNING COMMISSION M�ETING - MARCH 8. �78 Pa�e 12 Mr. Boardman said that he didn�t think there would be a lot of "da it yourself" type items covered by the HUD program. He said that since Federal monies would be involved, before any money would be released, inspectors ivould have to go to the site and make sure that the job was done correctly and that it was up to the code. He said that the City tivas recommending that contractors be hired to do ihe rrork so that the tivork would have to be done correctly before any money r�ould be released. Ms. Schnabel was not in full agreement wi.th that concept. Chairperson Harris said that he didn�t think the City had the choice. He said that the v�ay the State-ti�ride building code was set up rras that the City could not be more reUtrictive or less restrictive. He said that if a City ��as to have a building code it had to adopt that particular building code. He said to get variances to the Building Codes v�as a very difficult process. Mr. Boardman said that he had rrritten to the City of St, Louis asking for more information on the 10-year tax abatemeni program. He said that he still had not received a response to his request, Ms. Schnabel felt that there eaere many people in the Hyde Park area that could be reluctant to do some improvement because of the taxes that tivould be assessed on the property. �. REC�IVE LETTER TO RICHARD HfiRRI5 FROM RESERVE SUPPLY COr4PANY MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Shea, to receive the letter to Richard Harris from Reserve Supply Company. Chairperson Harris said that the lettex tvas in response to a discussion that Dick Sobiech and he had tivith Mr. Robert J. ',Janzong of the Chamber of Commerce, He said that the letter �vas letting them knoiv that they could go ahead tvith the work of reco�ification. UPOD1 A VOICE VOTE, al� voting aye, the motion carried unanimously at 10;03 P.M, 5. MOTION by Mr. Peterson� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to receive the minutes of the January 30� 1978� Parks and Recreation Commission. Mr. Langenfeld said that sometimes a very important item could be in a letter that could be very pertinent. He wanted to knoiv if referenced letters could be made a part of the minutes. Mr. Boardman said that the Commission g'enerally discussed the parts of letters that they felt t�aere pertinent and that 1�rould be tivritten up in the minutes. Fie didn�t feel that in most cases it �vould be necessary to include the actual letters as part of the minutes. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The minutes �vere received at 10:08 P.M. f- PLANNING COMMISSION MEL•"PING - MARCH 8, 1478 Page 13 6. MOTION by Ms, Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, to receive the February 2, 1978 Human Resources Commission minutes, Chairperson Harris said that he was sorry to hear that Ms. Shea would no longer be Chairperson of the Human Resources Commission. He said that the Planning Commission was sorry to lose her, Chairperson Harris asked what was happenin� regarding the Tenant/ Landlord Project Committee, Ms, Shea felt that the Committee was presently looking for direction. She said that the Committee vranted to be more of an action group rather than an education-type group, Mr. Boardman said that it should be pointed out to the Committee that if they want to have action items it �vould have to be a recommendation that would have to be acted upon by the City Council, He said that if the City Council approved an action committee, it could give the authority to the Com�ittee to do such items, He said that at the present time the Tenant/Landlord Project Committee did not have the authority but v�anted to have the action items. Ms. Shea said that originally the Project Committee tvas set up as an education group but that they no longer v�an�ed to do that, UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the moticn carried unanimously, The Human Resources Commission minutes of Pebruary 2, 1978 lvere received at 10:11 P,M, 7. RECEIVE APPEALS COMP4ISSION MINUTES: FESRUARY 14, 1978 MOTION by Ms, Schnahel, seconded by Ms, Shea, to receive the Appeals Commission minutes of February 1Q, 1978, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, The minutes were received at 1Q:11� P,M, r;� � MOTION by Mr, Bergman� seconded by Mr, Langenfeld, to receive the Community Development Commission minutes of February 1µ, 1978. Mr. Langen#'eld noted the resignation of Mr. Lindblad, He said that he had contributed a great deal in the last fetiv years, Mr. Bergman said that there was a brief discussion regarding the Advisory Standards for I,and Use Regulations. He said that under the subject of garages, Community Develogment Commission restated its consensus that garages should be a requ.irement. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - MARCH 8, 1978 Pa�e 14 Mr. Bergman said that Community Development would like to be kept aware of Ploise �rdinance revisions particularly concerning snowmobiles He said that Community Development wanted to maintain the position they presently had with the EnvironmentaZ Quality Commission. Mr. Langenfeld asked for an explanati�n of the first sentence of the fourth paragraph on Page 3 of the minutes. He said that the word ��if" seemed very strong. Mr. Bergman indicated that the v�ord ��if�� could be removed because there was snov�mobiling allowed in the City of Fridley on the Sears praperty. Mr. Bergman said that Community Development r�as get'ting back ittto the ��act" regarding Bikevray/Clalktivay Plan. He felt that policy and direction had io be resurfaced regarding the Bikeway/i"lalkvray PI.an. He said that they vaould probably looking for direction from the Planning Commission. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The February 1l�, 197$, Community Development Commission minutes were received at 10;23 P,M, 9. MINiJTE5: MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Mr. Bergman, to receive the Environmental Quality Commission minutes of February 21, 1978. Chairperson Harris asked what �vas happening on the Recycling Center. Mr. Langenfeld said that Connie Metcalf was working on it. Mr. Bergman said that in the Planning Commission Meeting minutes of February 8� 19'78, he mGde the statement: '"T4r. Bergman referred to to the Recycling Project Committee Report, He explained the workings of a Recycling Collection Center in St, Anthony. He said that it tivould be tivorthvrhile for someone from the Environmental (�uality Commission to do an observation on that center.�� Mr. Bergman was disappointed that the other members of the Planning to that statement and suggestion. the minutes did not read that Commission also gave full support Mr. Langenfeld said that he did indicate to the members that the Planning Commission members all believed Mr. Bergmans suggestion was tivorth}�rhile. Mr. Langenfeld referred to Page 2 of the minutes, the second paragraph. Ae tivanted to emphasize the comment made by Ms, Sporre as to where the threshold �vould be in re�ards to the Noise Impact Statement. He �vanted to create an awareness of the fact that a threshold definitely was impartant. T, .- PLANNINU COMMISSION M��TING - MARCH 8, 1978 Page 15 Chairperson Harris wanted to know what was meant by ��Noise Impact Statement". Mr. Langenfeld quoted a statement, 11The general provisions of the Impact Statement - No owner of any land �hall commence construction or cause.construction to be commenced on any structure covered by this section unless a Noise Impact Statement has first been approved as provided in this section.�� Mr. Langenfeld then quoted another statement, "The Noise Impact 5tatement - includes all residential, office, commercial, industrial, etc,'� Mr. Zangenfeld said that it came to the general conclusion of the Environmental Commission that those statements were too harsh and more restrictive than ever, He s�anted to knoev where the "line�� was to be dravrn for the threshold, He said that the Environmental Commission v�anted to completely abolish it, hovrever� he said that the provisions of a Noise Impact Statement should sti11 be available, Chairperson Harris said that the Environmental Commission should arrive at some recommendations and then the Planning Commission could discuss them. Mr. Langenfeld said that a Noise valuable tool to have ava5_lable, the Ordinance as such. Impact Statement tivas a very but they v�ere not putting it in Mr, Langenfeld referenced the third paragraph on Page 6 of the Environmental Commission meeting minutes, "The Environmental Commission highly recommended that if the Planning Conmission members knew of anyone interested in serving on the Recycling Project Committee, they submit those names to either Ray Leek or Connie Metcalf." UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Environmental Quality Commission minutes of February 21, 1978 were received at 10:33 P,M. 10. RECEIVE AMENDED PARK & OPEN SPACE PLAN (TENTATIVE) Mr. Boardman said that Staff was in the process of revising the Park & Open Space Plan. He said that it would be before the Planning Commission on r4arch 22, 1978, He indicated that Mr. CharZes Boudreau would be at the March 22nd meeting, He said that a Public Hearing was scheduled (tentatively) for April 5: �978. Mr. Boardman said that the Planning Commission rrould receive a copy of the Park & Open Space Plan before the planned meetings, 11. OTHER A) ADVISORY•STANDARDS I'OR LAND IIS� REGIILATION Mr. Boardman explained that the pamplilet from the i�fetropolitan Council had gone through all the Commissions, He said that recommendations had been made and it was now up tc the Planning Commission as to what they wanted to do with the issue. YLANNING CUMM1SSiON MliLP1NG - MAHCH 8. 1978 PaFe 16 Mr, Bergman said that there had been a misunderstanding regarding the Adivsory�Standards for Land Use Regulation pamphlet. He said that the Community Development Commission had understood that the information �vas just for informational purposes and they had not revierred the issue or made any recommendations. He said that Community Developraent wanted to re-look at the article, Mr. Boardman said that it had been the original intent, but that different Commission had made recommendations, He said that he would have the item put on the Agenda for Community Development. Mr. Boardman suggested that the Planning Commission discuss the Advisory Standards for Land Use Regulation at the time th�/ discussed the Zoning Code. B, M1�10 TO NASIM M. QURESHI FROtd DICK SOBIECH C. Chairperson Harris explained that Mr. Qureshi had received a memo on the subject of HUD Small Cities Program. Mr, Boardman exglained that the Program had changed somewhat in that Comprehensive Programs were being looked at this year in which the City would be applying for a three-year step Program. He said that if the Program vaas approved it would approve monies over a three-year period in which the City of Fridley would be funded certain numbers of dollars for those three years, He indicated that it tivas merely a tentative pro�ram that was up for discussion. He said that the City Council would discuss it at their March 27, 1978� discussion meeting. He said that the City didn�t have all the information necessary because the Federal Government hadn�� tivritten all the rules and regulations for the Program. He said that he had submitted a list of recommendations for projects and programs over that three-year period. He said that all the Planning Commission members would receive a copy of that list. � MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the memo to Dick Sobiech from Jerrold L. Boardman regarding General Poli�y for the Enforcement of the Aousing Maintenance Code. Mr. Boardman said that Item 3a was set up on the Staff time that ��ould be available, FIe said that it was set up on the basis of every tv�o years because the Planning Commission rfanted a revietia of the Housing Maintenance Code and the operation of it after a tv�o year period, Mr. Bergman had questions regarding �5 of the memo. He said he had known of cases ��here an inspector had been invited into a building for helpful adoice only to end up with the o�vner being issued tickets for a number of items that would have to be corrected vrithin a certain period of time or else fines tvould be levied. He didn't tivant to have that sort o£ thing happening. ,�,,,.`: PI,ANNING C�;�MISSION MEETING - MARCfI 8� 1q�8 Pa�e � Mr. Boardman indicatefl that if an Inspecotr came across one of the seven immediate health/safety hazards� that the ovrner would be informed that the particular item/s �vould have to be corrected, He said that the violation/s vrere not only hazardous to the immeciiate home oevner but would also be dangerous to surrounding neighbors, He said that those would be the onl,y items that the Inspectors vrould be able to issue tags for. Ms. Shea pointed out that the Appeals Process could be exarcised if the home otimer felt the tag issued aras unjustified. UPON A VOICE VOTE, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The memo aras received at i0:l�� P,M, D. HIIMAN Re;SOURCES COM?�'IISSIOPI MFETING: MARCH 2, 1978 � MOTION by Ms, Shea, seconded by Ms, Schnabel, to receive the March 2, t9�8, minutes of the Human Resources Commission meeting. Ms. Shea said that the item she wanted to discuss erith the Planning Commission n�as the Request for Fur.ding for a MedicaZ Ethics Program by R, John Singh� Ph.�. Ms. Shea indicated that Mr. Singh had staied that there i�rould be no philosophizing in his presentations. He said that he isould simply present the rights of the citizens along with the lai�as governing those rights, Ms. Shea said that the Huraan Resources Commission felt that Mr, Singh's req_uest vras �vorthvrhile as a Piloi Program for the City of I'ridley and they had �oted to request fox a450G fr.om ihe City to help sponsor the Program. Mr. Boardman said that the Grant Application had been submitted in error. He said that the names of the City of �'ridley; the Human Resources Commission, and Ms. Shea had been used vrithout going through the approva2 of City Council. Ms. Schnabel felt that hospztals should sponsor that type of funding rather than the City of Fridley. Chairperson Harris didn't feel that the City of Pridley sYiould enter into the issue. He felt that it was something that probably should be done� but fe3t it iYOUld be better if sponsored by hospitals, etc. Ms. Shea agreed, except she pointed out that part of I�Sr. Singh's presentation �vas presenting the rip;hts �f the lay-people which was not altivays �rhat �vas heard fro� the Medical profession. PLANNING CQMMISSION MEETING - MARCA 8. 1978 Pa�e 1$ E. Mr. Peterson said that there were several points that he was in disagreement with: 1) It cras not really the City�s function; 2) Ylhen people start discussing Euthanasia and Abortion an area that the City of Fridley did not belang existed, He didn�t feel that a person could discuss those particular items ivithout some type of philosophizing or some type of ethical* religious position, and that was not the City�s responsibility. Mr. Langenfeld agreed that various ri�hts-should be brought to the attention of the lay-people that they may not be ativare of, He said ihat if the request was approved as written, it �vould give the Planning Commission's stamp-of-approval and the City's endorcement and therefore he could not agree ivith the Human Resources Commission. UPON A VOICE VOT�, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Tke minutes were received at 10;58 P.M. MOTION by Mr. Peterson� seconded by Ms, Schnabel, that the Planning Gommission not concur with the Human Resources Gommission recommendation as far as funding Gvas concerned. Ghairperson Harris said that he felt it was a morthrrhile project but tvasn't sure it should be at a City level. UPOI3 A VOICE VOTE� Mr. Bergmanj Mr. Aarris, Mr. Peterson� Ms. Schnabel, and Mr, Langenfeld voting aye; Ms, Shea voting nay; the motion carried, ENSRGY COhirIITTEE Chairperson Harris indicated that a Ms. Iiarpex from the State of Ntinnesota Energy Commission met rJith him and Mr, Boardman regarding the formation of an Energy Committee for the City of Fridley. Chairperson Harris said that a Energy Committee should be established directly under the Planning Commission because of the v�ide realm of interest in the item. He said that the first item that should be established ti>>ould be a Scope of the Froject and try to set up a recommendation for an �nergy Policy. He said that the rest oi the "package" erould probably be handled with a separate project committee or an on-going Commission, Mr, Boardman said that the direction the Energy Committee vaould go tvould to set up a City Policy on Energy and within that Policy there may be recommendations for the carrying out of the Energy=�'dide Program that could possibly include C�TA personnel that could include housin� evaluations that tivould provide services to the people to evaluate their anergy consu�nption �vithin the residential units. He said that it ivould be the direction that would be desired from the Energy Committee. PLANNING COMMIaSION MPETING - MARCH 8, 19�8 P�'e 1� Chairperson Harris pointed out that at the present time� the �nergy area was not an area where Staff had a lot of expertise. He felt that the peop2e on the Energy Committee would have to be people knowledgeable in the Energy area. Mr. Boardman said that he rrasn't sure how far the City of Fridley would lvant to �et into the Energy issue. He said that definitely a scope/objectives had to be set up for the limits upon rihich tke �nergy Committee �iould operate and that had to be set by the Planning Commission. Chairperson Harris indicated that it �vas brought up mainly for thinking matter at that time. Ae a�ked that the Commission members give the subject some thought and possibly come up vaith a Scope and decide what areas the Energy Committee should get into and it would be discussed again at another Planning Commission meeting. Mr. Boardman said that he definitely wanted to hear from the Planning Commission what direction they felt that the Energy Gommittee should go. F. LETT�R OF RESTGNATION 1�ROM HUB�RT � LINDBLAD t4r. Bergman read the letter of resignation given to him by Hubert F, Lindblad. ��cthile I have enjo5*ed the opportunity to serve the Community of Fridley on various coMmittees the pa�t several years, I find I novr have too many conflicting personal committments to continue. Therefore, I am subnitting my resignation from the Co��unity Development Committee effective February 15� 197II." MOTIQN by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Mr. Peterson, that the letter of resignation from Hubert F. Lindblad be received by the Planning Commission and sent on to City Council with the request that a replacement 'be named at the earliest opportunity, UPON A VOICE VQT�, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Harris said that, r�ith regrets, the letter was received and u�ould be sent on to City Council at 11;13 P.M. ADJOURNhiENT MOTIOPd by Air. Peierson� seconded by Mr, Bergman, to adjourn the March 8, �975, Planning Commission meeting, Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 11;13 p,M. Resgecifully submitted, ; - MaryL Carhill Recording Secretary � IJ ,% , � • � APPLICAN7'' S Address � CITY 0� PRIDLEY MINNGSUTA • PUINt�ING AND ZONING P012F1 . Telephone, Number S � O � � � � � 'PROPERTY 014�lCR'S SIGNA7'URG '.. _ '�'� TYPG OF REQUEST Rezoning Special Use Pcrmit Appr�val of Premin- inary f� Final Plat � Strcets or Allcy � Address y�% �Jr' �� S�j,, �E. . Vacations i � p ��'NSI.3�o ' � er I Telc hone Number • ' Fee �� Receipt No. �Q� 5 Stxeet Location of Property ��j�(�V�.��,-t`3r-QST.��. . l.egal Description of Property �� ,�j AL` 1�, � ,I�1I� i Present Zoning Classification NO�� Existing Use of Property VaCA(� f Aereage of Property ��^ Describe briefly the proposed 2oning classification • or „type � of use and improvement proposed � �� ti.�0 c,U � (.l.)� L(, � :, . i� -- �%=( ' ro2r ��5�� tJ�a� i � o�L � Has the present applicant previously sougt�t to rezone, plat, obtain a lot spl3't or variance or special use pennit on tl�e subjcct site or part of it? yes /� no. What was requested and when? _ __ __ __ _ _ _ _ """� The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and otianers of property within 300 feet (3S0 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application, (b) Yhis apglication must Ue signed by all owners of the property, or an e�planation given �ahy this is not the case, (c) S:esponsibility for any defect in the Qroccedings resUlting from the failure to list the names and actdresses of all residents and �roperty ownezs of property in question, belongs to thc undcrsigned. , A sketch of proposed property and structure must be draun and attached, sho�eing the follotiaing: 1. North �izection. 2. Locativn of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposcd strutturc, and front and sidc setbacks. ' 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of aJjacent existing Uuildings (�.ithin 300 fcct). ., , 17ie un�crsigned hcreby dcclares thst all the facts and represc�itations.stated in this application arc true and correct. �� r � � AATL Z� 3+ 7 O SICNATURE ; Datc Filed ��-3-r1C� Dntc of llcaring �-8 �- %8 ' Plantting Commission h��proveJ City Council Approvcd _ .. . . _ . . .. _ � � YYlf4 CORNER SEC. 26 4! :da;bs �a�. :Ag�7� q$5 ,a845 8: 98�3 . , �; � �' � n :a ca :is .'4�3 ,�'i n i �. .. � .4zT� t : t= � � :o : �47,g9 � � ?� 5 ' ; �'r,'o � . Y 4 �:6� ; � 4G�y,,,. � 4634 � . d tp;Z y cc 49 7H: -_ _ __ „ —If—'Ti s. 0 �8?7 4a;s „ � 4�4D 74f- .4�32 � .47�33 'J dT�4. ,�7r2� Qt(b . ,47,17 4Tob , f.: .#7,D� 67 47TH. 46� 6 4ti5b ,�� 4�3z '4 ��4 46� 1 j. . 4tz3 ��f��. �856— 4Q44 � 3 4 $�� 9SZ20 _ 9$oa . 1�5b 46�48 4b3Q �a��z / 4 (a� 4 �� ., , � �J� SAV �178-D1 JOSEPH SINIGALIO { ; -----�VE- :� � , --...�,.r;,, ., c. Q}tt z , '. a . z� ,� e---•----Y i -��- --�� •-•-� . r , -d'8b3 .' �_�'.} . is � � � � . ` q gc�� - ---�--- r • -:-t�. i `.q9�g ; _. ..�d, 48�2T --m? „ ,r qg�y ---�3- ---.... :� /l N ;4ELag -------•'< , .:- � ' ;..�,: ` Q �� _ ' a Q :,..,� - -;uKs � • �� zf � "z" ' J , ' . 4%� _ _"" t/ ! 2t f � 76 ---..... , :. _s _; � � � -ql�r�� ' __�. u.-p----+ � - , }, � -47�7 - - ;�'� } �� -a �- �F- 97i5 ;tZ;U ,s ,: C7 za3 - -"�- vr.'. i K{<K� � . ,� ...•, :46'Y�� - -:,f,:?: ' . d6�o � . _.�.._ = � � I ; : zi �; 2 `. r �i615 --•;--`- : 4b�2 • • -•-- , . 46 63 --r •-'. �4638 _........ , 465,Y- -r --- �; 4630.' ' '� .._�.-•- . , —d639 -- � .,.. 46zQ . ,o QL27 -� � �. , . :: � � � AV E. ;ab�� 46!} 1 d�� 4��C � CI'�'Y t71� �R1��.EY 8431 UNIVEpSITY AVENUE N.E., FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432 TELEPHONE (812)571-3450 March 17, 1978 � Nathan R. Geurts 4110 Blaisdell Avenue Minneapolis, Mn 55409 RE: Your property located on Lots 1G and 97, Block ], Plymouth Addition, the same being 4803 3rd Street N.E. Dear Mr. Geurts: The Planning Cortbnission of the City of Fridley is presently considering a request 6y Hr. Joseph Sinigalio, to vacate 48th �Avenue P{.E. adjacent to and south of Lot 16, Block 1, Plmouth Addition, and adjacent to and North of Lot 30, Block 8, Plymoath Addition. This request was before the Plannina Commission on March 8, 1978, and one of the reasons no decision was made was because you hadn't been notified of this request, and as it will affect your property, they didn't v+ant to make a determination until your feelings were known. I am enclosing a copy of the minutes of the Planning Cotnnission regarding this item as it was discussed on March 8, 1978. It will be on the March 22nd agenda as a continued item.. If you have any questions regarding this, please caTl me at 571-3450. If you cannot atiend the meeting, I would appreciate it if you would call me and let me know your feelings on this matter so that the Planning Commission can be informed. de S9ncerely, , PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE �LANNING COt+L'�IISSION TO WNOM IT MRY CONGERN: ' � - �?3 Notice is hereby given that there will 6e a Public Hearing of the Pianning Commission of Yhe City of Fridley in the City Hail at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Llednesday, March 22, T978 in the Council Cham6er at 7:30 P.N1. for the purpose of: A request for a Special Use Permit, SP �78-03, , by Harvey D. Rolstad, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.057, 2, A, to allow a second accessory building, a tuck under garage, to be constructed along with a new house, located on Lot 15, and the Southerly 15 feet of Lot 14, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, ]ocated in the South Ha]f of Section 26, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of,Anoka, Minnesota: 6eneraTly iocated at 4600 2nd Street N.E. Aanyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter � may be heard at this time. e Aublish: March 8, 1978 March 15, 1978 � r, 1 . RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRP7AN � PLANNING COMMISSION 1 u � . HUt16GR SP�- 7 '�3 PLWNING AND ZONING PO1tM APPLICAN7''S�SIGNAIURC ��/^n.��,� i,. ? �y' �?�'l . { .... r .t � r' �aaFC55 ` i � n �� i�. � .j r , - . • Telephonc Number �� 4 - ', r� � ? PROPERTY Ob'NLR'S SIGNATURH ��'.I �+ =.�'.�' �?� 11 ^'�`f�� . �AddTess �: � a 4; ; ., ± , �.. • r ( =' Telcphone Number 5� � � � �+ ! � ? Strcet Location of Property � t(�' �; ?-�:�%, ,Sf; :' ` . . I�J� , TYPE OF RLQULST Rezoning �_ Special Use Permit Approval of Premin- inary $ Final Plat Strects or Alley- Vacations Other Fee�Q� Receipt No. 6�G � ' � � �../ � i �al Descriptio of Pzoperty C.CJT' 1$ Q,v+O TH� 50Ut�i2.nL �f �S [1F L�I � T GOc�G I'L �L5�n+0�rfu- c�o�o. � PresenL Zoning Classification 2_j Existing Use of Property�f�2AG� Acreage of Property 7y'Z S� Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification - or ,type of use and improvement proposed t; ; ' , % ' >'' ° ` •' <� - :: ��'• . o} .�iS��1.i.v�n.�i. ;� '��i%� - '._ ..r��i. �.i . �;,n�' "Z�t+P.Acccs�y �wa.o�:�� Td 6t nuc�t Vu+�ga. :6Rm�OC�. . , ' � Has the present applicant preaiously sought to rezone, piat, oUtain a lot split or variance or special use per�nit on tl�e subject site or part of it? yes v'" no. What was requested and when? 17ie undersigned understands thaY: (a) a list of all residents and oiuners of property x•ithin 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attaciied to this application. (b) 'f'his application must Ue signed by all owners of the property, or an e�planation given �s+hy this is not the case. (c) P.esponsi.bility for any defect in ihe proceedings resulting from thc failurc to list the names and addresscs of all residents and property otaners of property in question, belongs to thc undcrsigned. . � A sketch of proposed property and structure must be dran�i and attached, sho�qing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of pr�poscd structure on the lot. 3. Uimensions of property, proposed strucLare,.and front and side setb�cks. ` 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet). Thc unclersigned hereby dec2ares that �ll the facts and representations stated in this, application arc truc and corrcct. Ul1TE !�� 6. % ' % � SIGNA7'URE r� - � - • `` � ' r L�'l� Datc Filcd 2"� �� Datc of }lcaring 3�22' �B Plamiing Commission Approvcd City Council ApprovcJ (datcs) Dcnicd (datcs) Denicd • . � � . �..: MAILING LIST SP #78-03 HARVEY D. ROLSTAD second accessory buil ing (Also for Variance request) Ms. Fern A. Dennis 4579 2nd Avenue N.E. Fridley. Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. Donald Richtsmeier 4921 2nd Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. Sheldon Bergquist 4571-73 Main Street N.E. Frid7ey, Mn 55421 Mr. Harlen N. Menk 4591 Main Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. Lowe11 Weinand 4610 2 1/2 Street N.E. Frid�ey, Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. Dona1d Carroll 4604 2 1/2 Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Jerry McKnight 4607 2nd Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Ms. Hitda M. Gi11 4615 2nd Street N.E. Fridley. Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Wicklund 4623 2nd Street N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. Jaseph Kummrow 4632 2nd Street N.E. fridley, Mn 5543a. Mr. & Mrs. William Buster 4620 2nd Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. Harvey Rolstad 4608 2nd Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55427 Planning Canmission �� 3� 7� Mr. & Mrs. Theodore Willman 4603 Main Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Ms. Audrey E. Sepple 4615 Main Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. David Batcher 4b27 Main Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. James Sanders 4639 Main Street N:E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. Joseph Powers 4544 2nd Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 Mr. & Mrs. Roger Frakie 4548 2nd Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55421 ?5 � � �amf�. �!O/zrt.son s � WfLL1AM M. REED � �fi� r[wr��uw atwsar �. wur�wo�. r�ww. f�obs ,� rNON[�)�1.i��3 ��°' �� . . �NAROLO N. OLiON asov Ho�rw �wioMr�r Ho. „ . . . � . � � • NIM.MlAI,OLf1��. MfMN. !f�]] . . . . � . ' '... . . 1M�ON�L •f�yi�l . . ... . !� : sG � �'�t,��,�� °�'��a�� l. � � .. �_ � ,• �7 . . . . . � ..fu�'v'� r/ ��": - .:�/'v.°� � �olC-,: /'n.^ � . . .. . ��' . � . iL.-�'�t� . ./ � , ' ��G • . 4 / . . .. . � . .. . . , T .. 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Consideration of a rezoning request, ZOA #78-01, by David Kramber, to rezone Lots 22, 23 and 24, Block 6, Fridley Park, from R-3 (general multiple family dwellings), to CR-1 (general offices and limited businesses) to a11ow the construction of a professional building, all lying in the North Ha1f of Section 15, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. ' Generally located at 6503 East River Road N.E. Anyone desiring`to be heard with reference to the above matter may be heard at this time: Publish: March 8, 7978 March 15, 1978 0 RICNARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMTSSION � . . . . . . . . . ... . , .. . . . . . . . ..Sp�v.... .. _. . . .._. . . . .... .._ . . . . . _.. . . . .. . ` ...., . ,... � . . _ _ - _.._ �_- �.._ ..� R CITY Or TRIDLGY MINNGSUTA `/,��'�''" _"' .�/7 /O r � � • PLANNSNC AND ZONING FORM . �' �j }�UM6GR �8" O ( . . TYPC Or RGQUCSY _. _ APPLICIWT'S SIGNAIURE � ��r _ V� Rezoning Itddress o`� �(C�C� � t'f--p •'��+�t..(%%��.�-" Special Use Permit I• Telephonc Number � 90 - a7 � 2. Approval of Premin- inary F, Final Plat PROPERTY 0{4NER'S SIGNATURE L� ��K � "Address S�a S �i�s� �cn ST ___/'�/�, . �S Streets ox Alley Vacations Other Telcphone Number 5' %% - y� i% Z- °° ; � Fee ��yReccipt No. 90305= ' Strcet Location of Property sS�3 �' �.�,�.� /1/�- • •; f Legal Description of Property � � �' � 1 - ,� � - .�i.��_ L yE%-�°--��'Q��+� Present Zoning Classification i' 3-----Existing Use of Property �7L{L7'/�LE Fi'Fi7i,cy Acreage of Propexty I�1�� lI,�T escribe briefly the proposed zoning classi�ication _. or,type of use and improvement p:oposed — _, C ..�Qo F E�SI anI A-C.. '�iG � C� Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot spiit or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes�no. lYhat was requested and when? The vndersigned undexstands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to tliis app2ication. (b) This application must Ue signed by all owners of the property; or an explanation given uliy ti�is is not the case. (c) P.esponsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting from thc failure to list the n�mes and addresses of all residents and property oi,mcrs of pzoperty in question, belongs to thc imdcrsigned. . \ A sketdi of proposed property and structure must be dra�.�i and attached, showin� the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Uimensions of property, proposed structure,.and front and side setbacks. .' 4. SLrcet Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing buiidings (within 30D feet}. The uncicrsigned�hcrcUy declares th�t all the facts and representations sYated in this agplication arc truc and correct. , ��I UATC � � {�7 ^ 7 B SIGNATURE � ' - (APl'LiCAN7') , Date Piled � Ontc of llcaring � Planni��g Conunission Approvcd City Comtci2 Approved (Jatcs) Acnicd (dates) Deaicd � , MAILING LIST Planning Commission March 7, 1978 City Counci:l ° A�RA�e��e ZOA �78-01 David Kwaabo> 6503 East River Road /(ePR/ii bEC Mr. David JFsaRbo 24o0 Benson Avenue Mr. Donald C. 4lescom St. Paul, Minnesota 55116 117 Mississippi Place N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Francis Job 5209 Taylor Street N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55421 D & G Automotive & Body 650� East River Road N.E. Frid7ey, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Cross 140 i�issisiippi Place N.E Fridley, Mn 55432 Murco Stations Inc. 6485 East River Road N.E. Fridley, P4n 55432 Murco Stations, Inc. 200 Jefferson Street E1 Dorado, AR 71730 Zera, Inc. fi500 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 P1r. & P1rs. John Kimbler i30 Mississippi Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. 8 Mrs. Leo Carda 6443 East River Road N,E. Fridley, i�n 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Albert Johnson 137 Mississippi Place N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432. William Cocoran 3040 Sumpter Avenue Crystal, Minnesota 55427 Mr. & Mrs. Allan Mattson 120 Mississippi Place N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Roger Nawrocki 90 66th Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 �ij/L'I)�CI Mr. & Mrs. k�ren Hanson 91 - 65 1/2 Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Ms. Sylvia G. Youmans 81 65 1/2 Way N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 htr. & Mrs. Andrew Johanson 6560 Hickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Alfred Klous 6544 Hickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 River Road East Corporation Mr. & Mrs. Charles Langer 6540 East River Road 6530 Hickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Eberhardt 56-16510737 Box 1385 � Plinneapolis, Mn 55440 Mr. & Mrs. Edward Brooks 6506 Hickory Street N.E. Fridiey, Mn 55432 Robert H. 5chroer, Gerald Schroer & Peter J. Lindberg 6530 East River Road fridley> Mn 55432 Riverside Car Wash fi530 East River Road N.E. Fridley T1N55432 . '�_. 3;� Mr, & Mrs. Ernest Bruneau 6502 Hickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55422 Mr. & Mrs. Louis Nash 6509 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Allen Er:ckson 6551 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 _ , . -�.� ,r.�'�• • , CITY Oi� TRIDLtiY MINNL•SU'fA . • pJ,ANNING AND ZONINC POIiM - NUMI3ER�i % �� . . APPLICAN7''S.SIGNA7URG I -�r � Q Address � UUCi �-..�+ ��<^�' �'ra`..i� 7elephonc Number l,� q�% — � � •�— PROPERTY OA'NC•R`S SIGNATURL• . �� TYPi OF REQUL'ST Rezoning Special Use Pcrmit Apps'oval of Premin- inary 6 Final Plat �_ Strcets or Alley Vacations �Address Uther i 1'cicphone Number �eC ��,"9 Receipt No, os 7 ., Street Location of Property �n � i�%� � � ��K-�..� • • Legal Description of Property � a �-' � 3" �G1 �`-r"'' � '�`�-`�`��'G•- �°"� ' Prescnt Zoning Classification��xisting llse of Property Acreage of Property Descrihe briefly the proposed zoning classification / / --r. � � 7 .. � _ .. or type of use and improvement :. __ ....D�- �� x-: Has the present applicant previously�sought to rezane, plat, oUtain a lot split er variancc or special use permit on the subject site or paxt of it?�y�s no. What �as requested and when? � v The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) This applicatioii must Ue signcd by all awners of tlie prop�rty, or an explanation given iehy this is not tiie:case. (c) responsibility for any defect in the procceclings resulting from thc f�.ilurc to list thc names and addresses of all residents and property awncrs of property in question, belongs t� the undcrsigned. . � A skeich of proposed property and structure must be dra��'n and attached, sho��ing the folla.ing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structurc on the lot. 3. Uimensions of property, proposed structnre, and front and side setbacks. ,' A. Strcet Names. S. Location and use of adjaccnt existing Uuildings (within 300 fcet). Thc undcrsigned hcreby �eclares tt�at all the faets and representations stated in this ' applicaYion arc truc and corrcct. 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TO ALC PROPERTY 0!�NERS IN BLOCK 6, FRIDLEY PARK ADDITION March U, 1978 V CA This it to notify you that the City has had a request from one property owner to vacate the unimproved alley in 61ock 6, Fridley Park Addition. It � has been the policy of the City that when one property owner makes such a request, that the entire alley be vacated. The Planning Commission will be holding an informal hearing on this request at their meeting of ;larch 22, 1978. This r�eeting begins at 7:30 P.F1„ but the Planning Corrmission probably won't get to this item until �c30 at the earliest. � 41hen the City considers vacating an alley, they do retain easenents for existing utilities. If the vacation is recommended to the Gity Council to be approved, it would result in the 12' alley being spTit down the middle, and 6.feet being added to every property owner's lot. . � The City Assessor has stated that in this particular case, this would not affect the taxes on the property. Most of the lots in this block are about 125 • feet deep, and there is no increase in the tax structure untii the iots exceed 135 feet. so this additional 6 feet thaf �iould be added to the property would fall rrithin these guidelines. • If you have any questions on this matter, you are invited to attend the Planning Comnission meeting or call the Planning Department, 571-3450. The City Council aiill hold a regular Public Hearing when this item comes before'them, and you will be notified of the time and date of that Hearing. de t Block 6. Fridley Park Addition Richard A. Larson 6580 Nickory Street t�.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Y� Mrs. Andrew Johanson 65b0 Hickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Alfred Klous 6544 Nickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 t�r. & 19rs. Charles Langer 6530 Hickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. R Mrs. Edward Brooks 6506 Nickory Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Dennis:&'7da'ry Dittmer 7595 Alden tday N.E.'. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Louis Nash • 6504 East River Road NE. Fridley, Mn 55432 Otto Westenfield 81 Rice Creek Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Jeffrey Schneck 6601 East River Road N.E. Fridley, �1n 55432 Wayne Pfuhl 6631 East River Road N.E. Fr9dley, Mn 55432 � � Y f� )� �+ • �.�. ..rt` a. .,; ..) : ... �,/ . . ti� , �• ; , � ;.: ;z -� � � . 5 d A� . , � ��. • ; .� ' . .. .. . �"Y��• '• ��J : •a • ' �. � • y . + �� ,� - ,j '� \ "1• .� . ," � ♦ �l i i _ . �, • �* • , ,!. •S9 ; ' .; �S3 . �` �, . . • . � , + ;;. ''. ` . • �•� •!�� "' •', ' . . � <c � +� ' +�� , : �' ,.�, a !,' 7� � ; � � , . ♦ ' • : :� 4' v , .., i k�, . � \ -. � . �t ,. ... � 3 . . . i::�. � � . � ♦ r . � ' � ' :.. , c�. .� lj � l � � , �. �S � . ,, . , 66 ' b ; . y , �� ..., $ , � _ � ` •�' � � ��. b,. B5 6t ;,� ��- r�A..Y�� 98�' �= � ; , , .. . .�� . , ,� 3b ' `' " ..(!'D� �"��' ' Rf c '. ' •" �� " " ' � r ,\�: �M 1' ' � .. Cl. •�i�'Ii�� r��e � �. •,1.kJ •'. 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CT .iY�f cs i ■� : :. raa ,.�;�.o .:- t' .� a ti . - ' . . � ., . � . . �. . . . _ 1 .. _ . . . � .. . � . . � . ; � :� . �. � : � • . . . � PARKS & RECREATiON COMMISSION MLETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 MBMBERS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, Robin Suhrbier, Leonard Moore, Jan Seeger, Betty Mech 2q?t4BERS ABSENT: None OTfiERS PRESENT: Charles goudreau, Parks & Recreation Director Jack Kirk, Program Supervisor Rickiegergquist CALL TO ORDBR. Chairperson Peterson called the meet3ng to order at 7;40 p.m. APPROVAL OF �JANUARY 30, 1978, PARKS & RECREATION CO2�AfISSION MINUTES: Ms. Seeger stated that on page 3, Item 3, paragraph 4, the word "Commission" should be changed to "Department." MOTIQN by Leonard Moore, seconded by Jan Seeger, to approve the ,7anuary 30, 1978, parks & Recreation Couimission minutes as amended. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. APPROVAL OE AGENDA: The following items were added to the agenda: Update on Benjamin-Briardale Survey - Item 11 under Director's Report prairie Restorations - Item 3 under New Business Recreation Programs in North Park - Item 4 under New gusiness Paxk for Rice Creek Townhouses - Item 5 under New Business MOTION by Betty Mech, the above additions. unanimously. DIRECTOR'S REPORT: seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to approve the agenda with Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried 1. NBturalist Position Mr. Boudreau stated that at the last meeting, the Commission had wondered about the status of the naturalist position, and he had told the Commission that he was looking for the person who could do the job. He stated Ehat PARKS & ItECREATION COt�II3ISSI0N MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 2 they had now hired Mr. Siah St. Clair, who had heen ogerating a nature center in Wethersfield, Connecticut, for the last 5� years. Mr. Boudreau handed out copies of a newspaper article sent to him by Mr. William Pitkin, Wethersfield's Parks & Recreation Director. This article gave a quick overview of what Mr. St, Clair had done in Wethersfield. Mz. St. Clair is married and has two children, He was originally from Michigan and had gotten his Masters Degree from the Michigan State University. Mr, goudreau stated he felt Mr. St. Clair was extremely skilled in the display and photography area and also in taxidermy, goth skills would aid Fridley's Parks & Recreation Department in the prograumiing they wanted to do. Mr. Boudreau stated that Wethersfield was a town similar in size to Fridley-- around 30,000 population. Mr. St. Clair had taken the program in Wethers- field from infancy to what it was now. He was chosen Citizen of the year by the Lions' Club in Wethersfield. Mr, goudreau stated that Mr. St. Clair's background was outstanding. Ae was an outgoing, personable individual who would meet the public and was not leery in presenting his ideas. Mr. Boudreau stated that Mr. St. Clair had supervisory skills, budgetary skills, knowledge and background to really aid the parks and recreation program. Mr. Boudreau stated Mr. St, Clair would begin work in Fridley on March 20. Mr. St. Clair would be present at the next Commission meeting so the Commissioners could meet him. 2, 7aycees' Softball Teapi Mr. $oudreau stated that the Jaycees had cancelled their "Softball in the Snow" tournament due to lack of entries. 3, Ten-Year Maintenance Program M�r. goudreau stated that budget time was near, and he and Curt Dahlberg had been working wihh an analyst in the PubZic Works Department on a 10- year maintenance program. The plan was to plot everything they dealt with in the parks, such as playground equipment, tractors, trucks, etc „ on a 10-year schedule so they could depreciate these year by year and come up with a number when certain things needed to be replaced. qlong with that program would be a building program, which would set a schedule for building permanent buildings in the parks. They were working on a long range program, primarily for replacement and updating equipment in the parks department, He felt it would give guidance for a long time to come and help formulate the budget in the years to come. 4. Tennis Caurts for 1978 t�ir. goudreau stated there was a resolution that evening at City Council to go out for bids for tennis courts in the following areas; PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY �7, 1978 - PAGE 3 genjamim-Briardale - a double court. Financed in part by state grant. Woodcrest School - aingle court with hard surtace basketball area. _. Financed in part by state grant, in part by Spring Lake park school district, and in part by the City of Fridley. Craig & Flannery - Upgrading of tennis courts from 1� to double court. Springbrook - Mr. Boudreau stated he wanted'to discuss this with the Commission for direction as they had talked about a dwble court there. Mr. Boudreau stated that he wanted the Commission to be aware that if a double court was put into the Springbrook property, there would be only room for the double court and the playground already there. Did the Cammission still wish to have the double court or would they rather see a single court with a hard surfaced area for basketball and then possibly have an approximately 40 feet by 100 feet ice rink? Mr. Moore stated that after talking to sane of the residents in that area, the second plan would probably be the best as the residents did not want to give up the ice. MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Jan Seeger, to accept Plan g(a single court with hard surface basketball area) for Springbrook. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. $oudreau stated he thought the bids would be going out on March 24 and they hoped to award these bids in ppril. By state commitment, Woodcrest gaptist Church and Benjamin-Briardale would have to be done first to use the state grants, but he could see no reason why a contractor could not have all five areas in by June. 5. Shade Tree Program Mr, goudreau stated he had decided in their reorganization pattern to keep the forester directly under the supervision of the Parks & Recreation Department as opposed to reverting Che shade tree program back to the naturalist division. With the development of a nursery anddevelopment of the tree inspection program, complete reforestation and forestry work ' would be right in the Parks Department. They had the equipment and the people. He thought for reasons of efficiency and an effective shade tree program, it would function much better with the Parks Department. Mr. Boudreau stated they had started with a display at City Hall to try to educaCe the public. They were trying to get the policies developed thaC would let them go in and mark trees systematically in areas so they could be removed. They had bids out for a general contractor to help remove the trees. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 4 6. yocke Park Tree Yroblem Mr, goudreau stated that last July, 680 elm trees were marked. Now, it appeared that figure had doubled. It was going to be too big a job for the 5-6 city men. They had requesCed from the County, and would probably get, assistance of their CETA personnel with the large chipper and cater- pillars to clean out the Dutch Elm prior to the explosion of the Dutch Elm beetle in April. He stated it was going to make a large clearing in Locke Park, bat there was nothis�g that could be done about it. Mr, Peterson stated that he knew how the city behaved when a citizen had a tree with Dutch Elm disease, He felt the minutes should reflect that the City harassed citizens when the citizens had a diseased tree while the City sat with all those diseased trees in Locke Park. He stated if the city was going to expect the citizens to cut their trees dowa in ten days, then the city better move equa2ly as swiftly, He understood it was not Mr. Boudreau's fault, but the citizens should be given the same consideration the city had. Ms, stated that she agreed with Mr. Peterson's statement. Ms. Seeger stated that even removing the trees quickly was not going to save the rest of the trees. She felt that some of the dollars that was spent in removing the trees should be spent in reforestation. 7. Sidewalk Along Common's Area Mr, goudreau stated that the School District had requested that a sidewalk be put in along the east side of 7th St. (along the west side of C�ons park), primarily because of the closing of Parkview School. A public hearing would be held on it on March 13. The School District would pay 50% of the cost. Mr. Boudreau stated it was going to cause some problems because of the two fields with the backstops close to the street. The sidewalk would have to be very ctose to the playing fields. They would either have to move th� fields or fence and there was also a row ot small trees that would have to be moved. He had mixed emotions about it; but for the safety of the children, he could see the need. The Cocmnissioners questioned whether there was any sidewalk south of 61st Ave. in front of Parkview and along 7th St. Mr. Boudreau stated it was something he would check into--Eo see how far south the si@ewalk did go. Ms. Seeger stated that the thing that bothered her was that the City would have to maintain the sidewalk, plowing, etc., and she didn't know if the children would walk on the sidewalk. Children liked to take the shortest rouCe. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING FSBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 5 Mr. Peterson stated he would be interested to know how many children would actually be walking and using Che sidewalk as opposed to how many children would be bussed. He thought it was the policy oF School District �p14 to bus most of the children. Ms. Seeger stated that there would also be the added expense to the City of tree removal and relocating the ball diamonds. Mr. peterson suggested that the children could walk up 61st Ave. on the sidewalk and then the School District could put in a sidewalk 2'� blocks east of 7th St. along the ,Tr, High 5chool property. The children would come out closer to Hayes School thaC way, The �ommissioners thought Mr. Peterson's idea was excellent. MOTION by Jan Seeger, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to recommend that School District �14 move the sidewalk 2'� blocks east of 7th St, along the Jr. High School property as opposed to the sidewalk along Conanons Park on Che east side of 7th St. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Boudreau to be sure that this was an item to go on to the Planning Commission. 8. Hockey & Skating Locations 1979 Mr. Boudreau stated they had just finished what he considered an above average hockey and skating season for 1977-78. There had been a lot of good compliments about the excellent ice. He did not think it was too early to begin looking at 1979 skating rink and hockey rink locations. He did know that Moore Laka, glannery, Ruth Circle (used by Coon Rapids for practices), and Craig did not get much use. Madsen was used twice a week by Spring LBke Park. He stated the H.A.F. had cooperated very nicely t�i.s year by using five rinks plus Zocke and Commons. Mr. Peterson stated he felt it was a�emendous hockey program. Some of the c�piaints he had gotten was that the people liked the hockey rinks, but without general skating areas, it was bad for the children who just wanted to skate. Mr. Boudreau stated he felt a city the size of Fridley only needed five or aix general skating areas. He thought they had strained the budget so much in trying to maintain so many skating areas that they had Lost sight of pxo��iding good facilities for warming houses and central locations. Ms. Suhrbier stated she felt the City needed a lot of skating areas acces- sible to the neighborhoods. Skating was one of the few spontaneous major winter sports in which people could participate. ,� PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 6 t•1r, peterson stated that maybe they should take a better look at some of the other programs the City was spending money on. He could not buy the philosophy of making elementary children walk 3/4 mile just to go skating. The City had added and added pexsonnel and programs. If they were talking about eliminating skating which was a sport basic to this climate, then they better take a better look at Yt. Ms. Seeger also agreed. Mr. goudreau stated that maybe the Co�ission could give their recoonnendations for the skating areas at the next meeting. His recommendation was to eliminate Flannery, Madsen, and Ruth Circle. Mr. Peterson stated, before they made a decision, he would like to see the reports from the warming house attendants and what the attendants had observed. Mr. Boudreau stated he was merely asking the Commission if the city needed all the rinks they were presently maintaining. He was not suggesting they eliminate the ice, but just not maintain it. With the hockey rinks; they would leave the ice, have a general area and a hockey area, but eliminate the boards as it took four times as long to clean a hockey rink as a general skating area. Mr. Peterson stated he febt vexy strongly about the general skating areas. Fte stated that the Parks Department and the H.A.F. had done a tremendous job in getting together and deciding on the rinks that were needed because he did not think there were any complaints from the H.A.F• He stated that the Commission should also have a report from the H.A.E. for the record and they could look at that also at the next meeting. 9. Program Report A• Job Information Day tyr. Kirk stated that they mere already planning for the summer help. They had tried something new this year called a"Job Information Day." it was held on a Saturday morning for students interested in su�er jobs, and Staff was on hand to answer questions. There was a turn-out of 25. They had sent letters to all the high schools and colleges in the area regarding the Job Information Day. For the first time, they were pretty satisfied with the turn-out. Mr. Kirk stated they would start a little earlier nexC year, giving about a Cwo-month notice period. He stated tNat appZications for summer jobs would close on griday, March L Mr, Peterson asked what the City offered for a baseball program. Hir, Kirk stated that the City ran a Pee Wee program which was strictly an instructional Ieague not geared for competition. It was a continu- ation of the T-Ball. Last year, there were four teama with a total of 55 children. PARKS & R$CREATION COPIITiSSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 7 Mr. Peterson stated he felt the T-Ball program was tremendous, but he had a problem with running a baseball program, even if it was instruc- tional. Lt was runnittg a program in competition with a volunteer organization who ran it for free, and he had difficulty justifying it. Why should the City run a duplicate program? He stated that in the Co�nission minutes five or six years ago, the Comnission at that time had instructed the Parks & gecreation Department to phase out a11 programs in competition with volunteer programs. Mr. goudreau stated that the Little League had no problem with the City's program, and that some people did not Like the organization of a litCle league. They had felt there was a need for the program when 55 children participated in it. Ms. Mech stated that she, personally, did not like programs that were . too formal, and she did not think the pee Wee program seemed much of an expense. Ms. Suhrbier stated she would like to know how the Little League was run--how much was instructional and how much was competition? Mr. Kirk stated he could check with Che Little League to see how close the two programs were. He could have a report for the Commission at the next meeting. He stated that the Parks & Recreation Department would have a feeling after meeting with the Little League whether Co continue the program for this year or not. Mr. Peterson stated it was too late to change the program for this year, but it was something the Gou�ission could make a decision on for the next year. Mr. goudreau stated he thought the whole sports program was going through a change. At some point in time, there was going Co be a minimum number of children to participate and the associations were going to feel that it was not worth their time and effort any longer. Wtzen that time came, it was up to the city. Until that time, they were trying to fill voids and add programs where they felt they were necessary. B. Winter Re-Cap Mr. Kirk stated that most of the winter activities were now ending. They had sane expansion as far as the number of teams in athletic activities, There had been 24 teams playing Couples' Volleyball. They had set it up this time with no officials, just playing for the enjoyment, and they had been glad to see the program go over so well. pne of the new programs that went very we11 was the teen program. _t^ , ` PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY Z7, 1978 - PAGE 8 Mr. Kirk stated they had worked on the teen program with the Teen $oard. There had been five teen nights every other Friday night with 325-350 kids participating each time. The program had heen announced in Columbia geights, Spring Lake Park, and.Coon RapiBs' school districts. They had gotten voLunteer help from the Jaycees and the Lions' Club, but they needed more volunteers. I•fr. Boudreau stated that there had been some concern by the Teen Board of the need for a facility. The City's philosophy had been that once a program got going and there was enough need demonstrated, a facility would come. Now, the program was started, they were seeing it grow, and they already had gotten two requests from parents to move this progzam into the senior high group. Mr. Peterson stated that there were other service groups that the �ity could go to for volunteers for these teen nights, and they should do so. Mr. Boudreau stated he would include Item F under the Program Report, "Teen Program F.E.S.T." here a1so. The Teen Board had consented to have a separate account with the City for their funds. It was a separate city account, pny money brought in from the Friday nighh teen programs went into that account and money for bands, etc., came out of that account: This way the Teen Board could keep a complete audit on how much money they had. Continuing with the "Winter R�-Cap", Mr. Kirk stated that the "Lawn and Garden" workshops had been attended by 12 people. They had 20 entries on display at the library from the photo contest, The After- gchool program Ixad tripled in attendance from the fall pzogram with approximately 300 children participating. C. Spring Plans Mr. Kirk stated that the plans were just being completed for the spring programs. It would be a short term spring program--April and May. This would then give a three-week break before the summer program. They were going to have tennis instruction, golf instruc- tion, after-school activities, a bicycling club, several outdoor and nature programs. The brochure should be out inl'� weeks, and registration wouid begin March 20. D. Summer Playgrounds Mr. Rirk stated that they had looked at the registration and attendance of the summer playgrounds from Last year and they wanted to make a change and combine some of the areas. Last year, they had 13 areas and some of those areas only had 7-8 children who attended regularly. This made it very difficult for the leaders to plan activities. Their plan far this year was to haye 9 or 10 centralized PARKS & RECREATI�I CONAIISSION MEETING FEBitUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 9 locations throughout the city; and, hopefully, have them in certain service areas, such as Ruth Circle/Craig area, giverwood School or j,ogan; Stevenson School; Woodcrest Church/Madsen area; Hayes School; ° C�ons/parkview area; Flannery Park; Rice Creek Elementary; North Park and/or Gazdena. Mr, Kirk stated that this year they planned to have the "playground in the streets" (PITS) in certain areas with specific times. The PITS program could also be requested for a certain area. Ms. Mech stated she would like to refer to pgenda Item 5 under New gusiness, "Park for Rice Creek Townhouses." She stated she wondered what the city could do for the Rice Creek Townhouses. There were a lot of kids in that area and there was nothing for them to do. The playground was too small. The kids were go3ng down to the creek and smoking and drinking beer. She was worried about this area and would like to see some kind of aggressive help Eor that area. Mr. Kirk stated that this could be a possible area for the PITS program. Ms. Mech stated she had heard there was Che same kind of problem in Che Georgetown Apartment area. Mr. Kirk stated that Stevenson gchool was 2-3.blocks from Georgetown where the childxen could go for activities and programs, Ms. Seeger stated Chat what bothered her was that so often people living in apartment buildings and trailer parks did not get this kind of information. Mr. goudreau stated that this year they were going to the home delivery system so this information should get to a lot more people than it did through Mailhouse. This information was to be hand delivered to each resident in the apartments also. Mr. Kirk stated that last year they had an evening program three times a week for family involvement. There was not a good attendance, and it had heen the recommendation of the parents and leaders that the family night program be continued but be held.once every two weeks with a special event. E. Senior Program Ms. Bergquist stated she wanted to bring the Commission up to date on what had been happening with the senior program over the last six months. She had taken over the program for the seniors in September 1977. Right away, she had gone to the Fridley Community Education goard requesting assistance in programming. She had received $1,500 _ for the beginning of a publication of a public newsletter, to o£fset bus transportation for the seniors, Che mailing of the monthly printing, etc. To date, she had spent $628.45. Also, she had worked with , PARKS & RECREATION COhIDIISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 10 Mr. Tom Myhra, Community Education Director, in obtaining two class- rooms at parkview School for the seniors. These rooms were used for card playing, pool playing, free b2ood pressure tests, etc. They also used the gymnasium and cafeteria for dances and parties. Ms. Bergquist stated that there were a lot of new programs being developed, The biggest was the monthly newsletter that went to all the seniors in Fridley, She was trying to get names of all the senior citizens in gridley. There were approximately 3,000 seniors in Fridley and she had a mailing list of approximately 400. She currently had letters out to all the ministers of the churches in Pridley asking for names of their members 55 years and older and those names would be added to the list. Ms. $ergquist stated that the seniors had two regular meetings a manth--one regular business meeting and one birthday party and celebration. They had free monthly blood pressure tests, weekly cards and cotfee sess3ons, week2y game sessions, bi-monthly dances, special events, bowling, a senior exercise program, etc. In September 1977, there were 140 members and currenCly there were 207 members. She hoped to increase the memberships and the people wanting to be on the uailing list. She hoped to work with Mr. Ray Leek in the Planning Department to coordinate a transportation program for the handicapped and seniors. There was the possibility of working with the Salvation Ax'my for a congregate dining site for Fridley, plus numerous other programs. Mr. Boudreau stated that the Commission should be aware of one problem. Evidently, there had been two senior citizen groups in Fridley--the griendly Fridley Folk and the Leisure League, both associated with locaZ churches. When North Suburban Community Services came in, they had worked with the Friendly Fridley Folk, which was the larger group. When the City came in to run the program, they knew nothing of the historical background, and named the group,the Friendly Fridley Folk. The Leisuxe League had then come in requesting that the city also announce the meetings of their club in the city newsletter. The city had explained that they could noC do that because, although it was called the Friendly Fridley Folk, it was a new group not associated with the original church group, was a city program financed with city funds and run with city staff. Mr. Boudreau stated it was a problem area, although some of the Leisure I,eague members now belonged to the Friendly Fridley Folk. ge stated they were trying to focus in on eliminating this old conflict, even to the possibility of changing the name af the Citq's program to':better reflect a serviee to all senior citizens of Fridley. g. Teen program F.E.S.T. This item was discussed on page 8 of the minutes under Item B �'fdinter Re-Cap." PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 11 G, pnnual Report Mr. Kirk stated that this information would be printed and given to each of the Commission members. It was something he and Mr, goudreau had discovered from the National Recreation Park Association. 'It was a new way of documenting the recreational sezvices to the co�unity. It had never been done before, and they felt it was really a break- through. It was a way of putting a dollar value on recreation to the communiCy. It was very difficult to put a doLlar value on social service, but there was a simple formula that had been worked up. The whole system was caZled an "Economic Equivalence Zndex (EEI)." What it was based on what that every hour was an opportunity hour for a person. So, it was based on participant hour, the number of parti- cipants taking parC in an activity, and the minimum wage. The parti- cipant hour times the number of participants times the minimum wage equalled the "EEI"�-what that acCivity was worth to the citizens in Yhe coumunity. Other things would be explained when the Commissioners received this material. For those persons 13-18 years o£ age, the minimum wage was divided in half; and for children, the minimum wage was divided by three. There were some multiplication factors for the handicapped and seniors as recreational services were worth more to the handicapped and seniors. Mr. Rirk stated that according to their figures, the City of Fridley had furnished $931,OQ0 worth of activities to the citizens. Another thing about this system was that a cost benefit ratio could be computed also. The cost benefit ratio to the city for the recreational programs was .23, which was good. Mr. Kirk stated he thought it was an exciting way of justifying the program and they could start setting some goals. Mr. goudreau stated this was part of their annual report, and it was an exciting thing £or Che Parks & Recreation Department to finally find a way of aCtempting to come up with a cost benefit analysis of what they were doing. Ms. Seeger stated she thought it was fabulous to have a cost benefit to the city. Mr. Boudreau stated he would like to commend Mr.Kirk for his many hours of work tracking down information, developing the system, and putting it into the format for the figures. Mr. Boudreau stated he was very grateful for Mr. Rirk's help. 1Q. Meeting with Dave Torkildson--p,noka County park Director Mr, gondreau stated he and Jacic Kirk had met with Dave Torkildson, George Leverance, and Jack Hansen, H.A.F. President. Problems and solutions were discussed. He and Mr. Kirk had asked about the £igure skating school and were told there were four sessions per year with approximately 250 students at each session. The school was run by the the county and was a year-round school and should get first priority. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 12 They were told that the high school league games were super and were given second priority. Jack Hansen stated he had no problem with the high school practices as those were during the summer montha. One of the problems with the high school team pract3ce was the influx with the Hockeq gooster Club, that there had been an additional 50 hours of prime ice time given to the high school for practices. And, once 50 hours were given to one high school, the same 5� hours had to be made available to other high schools in the county. Mr. Boudreau stated thaC a possible solution that might be tried was to take the high school team practices and the hours they had in 1976 as the hours they would he allocated. Any hours over and above that would come after 10;00 p.m. Mr. Boudreau stated they had agreed to drop the high school non-conference tournaments priority below the city programs. Regarding the figure skating c1ub, this was ice time that was so1d, Mr. goudreau stated that Mr. Hansen appeared to be satisfied, and theg should be getting additional ice time during the prime hockey season. This would be tried out next year, and it seemed to be the reasonable solution to the problem. Mr, goudreau stated that Ms. Suhrbier had been concezned about Mr. Torkildson's recommendation that hockey beccme part of the city's regular school curri- culum. Mr, Torkildson had stated that there were some hockey rinks around the state that had agreements with the schools that in place of the physical education hour, they put the children on a bus and would rent an hour of ice to teach hockey or skating. His recoamiendation was that the ice arena could be used during the day as part of the on-going physical education program if the schools wished to do so. Mr. Boudreau stated that, generally speaking, it was a good meeting. He thought they had gotten a positive indication frcm these gentlemen. They were willing to cooperate with the city, and they were looking at breaking even and making Columbia prena self-supporting. Mr. Boudreau stated he had also proposed that the City would like to share some oF the Coon Rapids city ice. Supposedly, this ice was restricted to only Coon Rapids people and not even M.A.H.A. was allowed to use it, so the overflow was taking ice at Columbia qrena. They had agreed to try to talk to the pnoka County Board of Canmissionera to open up some of this ice time. 11. Update on Benjamin-$riardaIe Survey Mr. Boudreau handed out new copies of the City of Fridley Recreational Interest Survey and Che genjamin-Briardale Neighborhood park Survey. He stated they had ta2ked to the Planning Department since the last Commission meeting about this survey. He thought they had finally convinced them it was more impottant to find out what activities people were interested in participating in before telling them what facility they needed. So, they had done a door-to-door interest survey of basic activities. Included with that was a revised qnestionnaire, ps of that evening, 30% of the survey was completed, and almost 100% of that 30'/, had been positive. The people were excited about being asked about what they wanted. Mr. Boudreau stated he tUought this was a better, more workable solution than what was first put forth at the last Canmission meeting. PARKS & RECREATION COMNfISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - P�h.GE 13 NfiW BUSINESS: 1. Shelter Reservations at Locke Park Mr: goudreau stated that in the past, the system for anyone to use Locke Park was by coming in and filling out a reservation form. The reservation form really meant nothing. He stated that this year, they were not going to have reservations of any kind, unless the Commission saw some logical reason for continuing the reservation forms. He stated.they were going to request that groups over SO notify the city only because the city would then know when to leave more trash containers and would know when to pick them up. He stated this would be publicized. 'lhe Commission concurred with Mr. Boudreau's recommendation. 2. Cooperation with Commerical Recreation programs Mr. Boudreau stated he was looking for s�e direction from the Commission on this item. A local roller skating rink had called up the city offering a program where they would provide bus transportation to and fran the rink for the children to rollerskate at the regular price, Mr. Boudreau stated they had done this once and about 200 children had turned aut for it. He stated this person had called again, and he and Mr. Kirk had thought about it and wondered if the city wanted to open the door to cooperate with commercial recreation programs, The only reason this person wattted the city to cooperate was because the fliers got through the school system to generate this person's business. Did the city want to be placed in that positiony 2Ix. Moore stated he thought it sounded exciting as it provided a service that alleviated the parents having to transport the children. Ms. Seeges stated that the city rented buses and £acilitated businesses such as skiing. Mr, Kirk stated that the big difference was that this person wanted to do it an a regular basis, and this person wanted the city's name on the brochure. WiYh skiing, the city was setting up the program and hiring the bus and just uaing the facility. Mr. lCirk stated he would like Co use the roller skating rink some time as a special event-type thing,.but the city should set up the progzam, Mr, Boudreau stated he thought the ciCy was overstepping its boundary by using the school for this person's business. The city was helping a eo�ercial business at this person's request rather than the city running the program. It did not preclude that the city could run the program and use this facility. So far, this person had indicated there would be no reduction in rate for a Fridley group. PARI(S & RECREATION COI�AffSSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 1978 - PAGE 14 MOTION by Betty Mech, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to recommend that the city not accept any offers for co�ercial ventures, and that, in the future, the city run all the programs. Ms. Seeger stated she would like to see the city provide some skating program because of the enthusiastic response for this skating trip, UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, THE MOTION CARRIED UNAIIIMOUSLY. 3. Prairie Restoration Ms. Mech stated she knew a young man who had gone into prairie restoration. He had been doing this a number of years. Hennepin County park Reserve was one that he had done. She stated he could come and give a short presen- tatfon and show slides or photographs. She felt it was possible to establish prairies in sane of the parks, Ms. Seeger stated she thought it was a good idea to have this gentleman speak to the Commission. , The Commissioners agreed and Ms. Mech stated she would arrange to have him come to the next meeting. 4. Recreaeion Programs into North Park Ms. Suhrbier stated that there had been some concern in the gouth Innsbruck and Gardena area, that since Gardena would be closing, the programs would not be offered there anymore. Tfiey wanted to know if North Park, heing in the Columbia Heights School bistrict, could have some recreation programs? Columbia Heights did not seem to care because those were Fridley residents and Fridley had said that maybe they couldn't because it was in the Columbia geights School District. Mr. Kirk stated he would check into this with Colwnbia Heights as he knew that Columbia Heights had run after-school activities there for three years. r(s. Suhrbier stated that if they did, none of the parents were receiving any notices of these activities, Mz�. Kirk stated he would also check into how Columbia Heights publicized their activities. Fridley could certainly make after-school programs available there. He stated he wouTd report baek to the Commission next meeting. 5. Park for Rice Creek Townhouses This item was discussed under Agenda Ttem 9, D, "Summer Playgrounds" on page 9 of these minntes. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 2J, 1978 - PAGE 15 ADJOURNMEtJT: MOTION by Jan Seeger, seconded by getty Mech, to adjourn the meeting at 10;45 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully s mitted, A �(/-(/��/' Ly ne Saba Recoxding Secretary Dear Planning Commission: March 2U, 1978 There is a Public Hearinq scheduled for the March 22, 1978 Planning Commission meeting for rezoning of Lots 22, 23 and 24, Block 6, Fridley Park. After considerating all the costs involved in developing the property, I find the cost too prohibitive to continue. I want to fomally request that my petition.to rezone and to vacate the alley be withdrawn at this time. c "T"Zp� David Kramber 2400 Benson Avenue St. Paul, Mn , � HUMAN RESOURCES COMhIISSION MEETING MARCH 2, 1978 MEMBERS PRESENT: Barbara Shea, Ned Storla, Harold Belgum, Mary Jo Dobson I�MBERS ABSENT: David Thiele OTHERS PRESENT: Pete Fleming, Administrative Assistant Betty Christlieb, Housing Specialist R. John Singh, Ph.D., Augsburg College Larry Dobson, Tenant/Landlord Project Committee Chairperson CAT.L TO ORDER: Chairperson Shea ca7led the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. Ms. Shea stated she and the Commission would like to congratulate Mr. David Thiele on the birth ofr a baby daughter. APPROVAL OF FEB. 2, 1978, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSIGN MINUTES: MOTIUN by Mary Jo Dobson, seconded by Ned Storla, to approve the Feb. 2, 1973, fiumam Resources Commission minutes as written. iJpon a voi.ce vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. REQUEST FOR FUNDYNG FOR A MEDICAL ETHICS PtZOURAM: k. Jolm Si_n h, Ph.U.: ➢r. Singh stated that he taught philosophy and history at Augsburg College: He was also'associated with North Central Bible College. He stated that he had contacted Ms. Shea through the Citg Manager regarding the medical ethics , program. He staeed.he had taught the medical ethics course at Augsburg five tiuies. He also had just concluded a five-week, two-hour lecture series on medical ethics at'Redeemer Lutheran Church in Fridley. He felt this was not only a timeLy subject,;,but a very interesting subject to many people; and people should become more involved than they were in these areas of problems affecting the heaith'sights of patients. Since he had been in the pastorate in South America, he had a natural outlook on co�unity affairs. Ee had worked with seven churches in a district which involved the clinics, schools, and churches: He felt the subject of inedical ethics might just as well be done on a coumiunity level in Fridley. . ]�r, Singh stated iC was a matter of funding, because speakers had to be , £', ,paid. He seated he had;spent an enormous amount of time preparing the proposal to the Minnesota Humanities Commission of which the Coounission members had a copy. He stated the proposal had not been approved by the Minnesota Humanities Commission, but that co�ission felt it needed revisin�. i , � }1lTtiAtJ RI'S011RCtiS �0141�fIuSION NJiTTING" t4ARC11 2, 1978 - _ PAGP 2 . Both tUe Director and the assistant'of thc Minnesota }iumanll'ies Conunission tiad apologized f.or not advising beyond what;thcy had advi>eil for makin� changes. So, they had asked br. Singli to resuUmit- the applicaCion. In the ori�;ina1 a1�j�licaL-ion, there wcre ten sessions,,and Dr. Sin�h sCat-ed thaL' taould bc cl�aa�ged to six or. sc•,ven sessicnis. Anotlier reason why the application was rejected was Uecause more lpcal funding was neecled. The ' , request was for $2,550. The other local futiding was-anticipation'through the lluman Resources Commission's effor.ts to get at least $500 through Che- City or some bther concern. The MinneeoCa l�umanities Corr¢nission felt there should be a little more community interest in the issue than was indicated; He stated the oCher figures for matching funds were simply figures t�hich the office plugged in.to co�peusate far voluntary lzelp. i Dr. Singh stated these sessions would now have to be held in the fall raL-her than in the su�er. He svggeseed that i£ the Commission wished to • zesubmit this,application, there be another sponsor in place of Redeemer Liitheran Church. The sponsor tiad to Ue an inst-it-ution or organization. , He suggested that the Human Resources Commission could become the applicant instead of tlte church. He stated this was only a suggesl'ion and the Commissioners may have another name or or�anization. The Commission coul� - talk about this and resubrnit the application iir the summer-in time for the sessions to be held in the fall. Dr. Singh stated that Che seconcl thing he wanted to,tallc about was that 'since he itad made a comL7itment to th� spcalr�srs listed in the application and'the dates `establisY�ed, he fel:t it w�uld b� a shame to scrap a11 thi.s �aor.k: Iie Ez1C titiey sl:oald go ahead iiith the medical eCliics program cn a IimiY.ed scale. This coould be to hai*e siY meetings un six Wednesdays, March 29 - rifay 3, and to have four speaicers. He could speak at the first and sixth .sessi.or,s or there coulu be anoY.her speaker for the sir,L'h ses&ion. The p;:ogram �uould be as folloors: Diarch 3- Dr. Singh - issnes relating to medical ethics and problems ` relared in the field Apri1 S- Dr. Kenneth Bailey, P6ilosopher - xigiits of patients vs , physician ' April 12- Dr. Tfaxzaell Tiarr, Physician,,Metliodist- Hospital - Abortion Aprt1 19- Dr. Fred Sha�iro, Physician,:}Ienizepin Couiity Hospital - artiLicial kidney and transplant April 26- Dr. Bruce ReichenUach, Philosopher - Euthanasia May 3"'- Dr, Singh or another speaker Mr. Belgum stat-ed he wondered if the Unity 1lospital Auxiliary could be Lhe applicant': Mr. Belgum suggested ehat Dr, Singli contact the Chaplain of Unity Hos(2iCa1, Rev. Somienberg. Ae thought iC'�aould be a logical source far at least a co-sponsor or �articipan[ in some way. He felt medical etliics was a.very important'i.ssue and he wo�ld Ue in favor of sapporl'in� it. Whether the Human R�sources Conmiission should be the �p�licant or not, lie'did not 1a1ow� but he did lm ow it was not a good idea to liave a chUrclias the 113plicant. � ' , IIUMAt7 RIiS0i1RCR; COt3t�ISSION JdP.ETING, MARCII 2 197II - PAG� 3 Dr. Sin�h sCated t11;t these short sessions Chis sprin� would necd fundi.ng a7.so. He thoughC possibly tlie ]Iuman Resoucces Comnission could requesl some fuuding from wl�atever source thcy could. Ile fe7.L- the shortened � prograrn would cost appr.or.imaL'ely $500. lie figured about $40 for each speaker., $25 Eor the moderator (whi.ch position he would fill.), and L'ravel expenses aroand $10-15 per speaker. All this did noL- talce into consider- ation L-he L'ime he had spent on thic ��roposal. Mr. Tleming asked Dr. Singh if Dr. Sin�h had considered the pol'ential explosiveness of these topics and L'lie kind of direction the speakers might take. Dr. Singh stated thaL- some of these topics were very explosive. This was to be expected. Dr. Singh stated he had told each speaker they had one hour to discuss ehe subject objectively. Then there �aould be a second hour in �ahich he would moilitor the suUject and address questions from the audience to the speaker who would answer these quesLions. He was sure some people would feel explosive and they ��*ere right to express their opinions. Mr. Fleming st'ated that knooring the slanh of the presentations would aid in getting funding. If the presenCations were going to be objective, this would help in getting funding. Dr. Singh stated he could assure the Cormnission that the presentations caould Ue objecti_ve. Mr. Belgum recemmended that tlie DirecCOr of Unity Hospital also be con- tacted for quick action on the short spring program. Mr. Eelg�un also staCed that the Community Schools Advisory Commission had money ia its budget for things like this. He suggest'ed Dr. Singh contact T1r. Tom Myhra, Director of Community Schools, and describe this educational program that addressed the iohole community. Nr. Selgum felt this supplemented what the public schools were doing. Dr. Sin�h stated that might be more appropriate for the fall sessions as quicic action was needed now. His personal reac[ion to doing scmething with the liospitfll was to worlc initially with the :ahole liospital program to get approval, and he did not know if they would have time for that. It could be invesl-igated for the fall sessions. A1so, some physicians may object because these kinds of discussions could give them exposure they did not care for. It could mean encroachment on the rights an3 prerogatives of the physician. DY. Singh st<�ted that lie taould like to suggest ior tlte program Chat there be no charge, but a$5 regisCration. 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' �ct . � . � � . . � . � � . . . . � .. ...�- .. . . . . � .. � , _ � , ., � ��:. . , ,. .. . � . . . . �: _ ,�� ii, ?_T_1 9�Y, i�s � i, � � :: : _.._. r ,e ar-�.�'.. .. r: ,.,,,, - ,,:.,-,�,; � . . . . . . . .. .. . . . . . ... . . . . � � �. . � � . � �'i HUMAN RESOURCES COMI�IISSION MEETING MARCH 2.1978 PAGE 5: REPORT ON:CONGREGATE DINING: Ned Storla: Mr. Storla stated that nationally, at any time, 3/10 of 1% of all those eligible (60 years or older and their spouses) atrended congregate dining. He stated he had visiCed the congregate dining sites in Anoka and Blaine. Blaine was the one which presently served Fridley: There was no chaYge for - those 60 years and older and their spouses; however,! a donation was` � ` recommended.,, In Anoka „ the recommended donation was 76¢.,:Mea1s were served five times,a week at both si£es. ,��' ' ` Mr. Storla staCed that the Minnesota Board on Aging had gotten the grant, bids'went ovt, and the Salvation Army won the bid in Anoka County, The ._ ,. , � money came from the Title VIT of the Older Americans Act. ' `` Mr. Storla staCed'that-the purpose of the congregate dining was for socialization purposes. Besides the meai, it was'`recreational such as shopping assistance, there was txansporCation to and from.the site, there was nutrition educatiom and outreach, counseling service and information, and xeferral services. The trend that was shown was'that it was usually Che upper class of senior citizens who were participaYing in the congre$ate dining. Mr. Storla stated that on the average, Blaitie had served 33 people per day in January, Circle Pines had served 52 peonle per day in January; an3 Anoka had served 46 people per day in ,Tanuary. Mr. Storla stated that reservations had to be made tcvo working days in advance. In Blaine, he had been informed thaC the people in Fridley only had to ca11'-two days in advance and transportation would be provided for rhem to and from the site. The question was: Since anyone in Fridley had the capability of going to Blaine, was there any need to have a site in Fridley? He had talked to Randi Bergquist, who worked with the senior - citisens in Fridley, and she felt,there was a tremendous desire for ane ' in Pridley. He stated that, apparently, the congregate dining people had been in'Fridley':a couple of years ago; and because there was no response, the site was puC in Blaine. He stated he'feit a`site in ` Fridley would be a"definiCe benefit to Fridley. 'He recommended that the Cou�ission invite the Congregate Dining people to the nexC Commission �, meeting and then these people could te11 the Commissioners more about it. ' He would also like to invite the Friendly Fridley Folk. He stated he would like to see=this Commission get it going. ; Ms. Shea sEated thatr slie;thought the Commission should suggest a congre- z gate dining site in the new senior citizen building that was supposed j tn be bui1C in Fridley. i ' MOTION by Ned Storla, seconded by ASary Jo Dobson, Co invite`representa- tives,from Congregate`Dining to the next Commission meeting, and also ` extend an invitation to the Friendly Fridley Folk and a1L senior citizens ' and interested people in the city, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. , _. ., �..; _ .�,,...., HUMAN R�SOURCES COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH" 2, 1978 - PAGE 6 REPORT ON TENANT/LANDLORD PRQTECT COMMITTEEd Mr. Dobson stated the Tenant/LandLord Project Cotmnittee had met.on . February 9, 1978, with the best attendance to date. They also had seven guests at the meeting. Paul McCarron and Wayne Simoneau were at the meeting to disc�lss legislation pendireg Uefore the State Legislature right now. Mr. Dobson had also reported to the Committee what had been discussed at the last Commission meeting. As the result of the c wiments trom the city, t:�e Tenant/Landlord Project Committee had decided they needed some staff person working with Cenant relations that could do more than the Committee could presently do. The Committee was ra£her restricted in being able to check into problems and it put them in a tough position. Because of the'many problems that existed right now that needed to be handled, they would like to see the city appoint someone to handle these tenant relations witfiin the community. - M�. Dobson stated that what the Tenant/Landlord Project Committee proposed was that the city apply for a CETA position for a tenant/landlord ombudsman who would perform such duties as assist in inspections for compliance with the Housing Maintenance Code; keep records of rental properties within the city to refer persons in need of housing; to keep current record of- housing needs of the ccmmunity; to serve as a.Iiaison person between the Tenant/, Landlord Yroject Commit*_ee and the city staff; to assist iu assimilating tenants into the conununity, acquainting them *aith the coum�unity, prcviding 'assistan.ce in finding community services; to help organize neighborhood recreation year round; to serve as a trouble shoot:er. to look int-o prohlem� of a11 icin.dsfor tenants and landlords, also migl�t `aork as tenant councils within the uniL-s. Mr. dack Raymond, the Mana�er of Meadow kun AparL'ments, had stated he would not object to the city being fnvolved in establishing tenant cauncils if they were established as a joint venture with the apart- ment complex. Mr. Dobson stated lie would like to see an exchange of ideas wiCh the city on how this persom could be applied. He would also like to see posted notices'in a11 apartment units licensed by the city so everyone would know who to contact on city staff. He stated the main problem that was overlooked was that tenants were having problems that,�aere not presently covered by the Maintenance-0ode. There were many, manq problems where the city provided services to the homeowners, but not to tenants. Mr. Dobson stated he would like to request to have somebody from city staff who was familiar with making this tqpe of request and who would have the information:the Tenant/Landlord Project Committee needed come to the Committee's next meeting.: A the present time, there was pot any city that had a staff person who'looked after rental;properties'in the - community or rights of tenants and landlords in the co�unity, and he wouTd be happy to sit down with a city staff person to discuss this. � CITY OF FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMISSTON MEETING — MARCH 14, 1978 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Schnabel calied the March 14, 1979, Appeals Commission meeting to order at 7:35 P•�- ROLL CALL: Members Present: Plemel, Kemper, Schnabel, Barna Members Absent: Gabel Others Present: Clyde Moravetz, Engineering Department APPROVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: FEBRUARY 34, b978 MOTSON by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr• Kemper, to approve the Appeals Commission minutes of February 14, y978• Mr. Barna asked tiiat the sixth paragraph on Page 8 be changed to read, "Chairperson Schnabel said that it would be possible to recommend to City Councii the maivinq of the � stall of the requirement•" UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• The minutes were received at 7:38 P•M• 1- TABLED: REQUEST F4R V�RIANCES OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 205•075,1,E,1, TU ALLOW THE REQUIRED OFF— STREET PARKING STALLS TO BE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAtJ THE RERUIRED 5 FEET, AND SECTI4N 205•�75,1,D, TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED PARKING STALL WIDTH FROM 10 FEET TO 9 FEET, AND SRUARE FOOTAGE FRO� 20D SQUARE FEET TO 180 SQUARE FEET, TO ALLOW 9 FT� BY 20 PT• PARKING STALLS; AND SECTION 205•0?5,1,E,3 TO ALLOW THE PARKIfJG STALLS TD BE tLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAIJ 5 FEET, AND SECTION 205•138,5, TO ALLOW THE LOCATION 4F A GARBA6E RELEPTACLE IN THE FRONT YARD, ftATHER THAN THE REQUIRED SIDE OR BACK YARD, TO ALLOW THE CONTINUIN6 USE OF THE FRQNT YARD pARKING AND DUMPSTER LOCATIONS ON LOTS 24 AND 25, BLOCK 8, HYDE PARK, THE SAME BEING 6�21 MAIN STREET NE, � FRIDLEY, MINNESQTA• {REQUEST BY RODIVEY M- WAARA, 6021 MAIN STREET NE, FRIDLEY, MN 55432}• Public Hearing closed• Chairperson Schnabel pointed nut that the variance requests had been amended and suggested that the Public Hearing be re—opened• M4TION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr• Barna, to open the Public Hearing• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• The Public Hearing was opened at 7:44 P•M• APPEALS COMMISSION ME7:TING - MARCx 14, 1978 Pa�e 2 ADMINISTiUITIVE S7AFP R[PORT G021 U1ain Street tV.E. A. PUQLIC PURPOSE SERVED 6Y REQUIREMENT: Section 205.075, 1, E,1, prohibiting parking in required front yard, The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard. Section 205.075, l, E,3, prohibiting parking any closer than 5 feet from the property line. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in areas adjacent to lot lines and Yo separate parking with landscaped areas. Section 205.075, 1, D, requiring a parking stall to be a minimum of 10 feet by 20 feet and 200 square feet. The purpose served is to provide adequate room between large vehicles. Section 205.138, 5, designating the rear and side yards as the only approved locations for garbage receptacles, The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard. 6. STA7ED HARDSHIP: In order to comply with City Code parking requirements as requested by the City [ngineering Department. C. ADPiINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIE41: It rias de'termined by the City Zoning Administrator that this four-plex . apartment is to be treated as a R-3 (multiple dwelling) use in an R-2 (two family structures) district. Therefore, all City Code sections quoted are for the property's actual "use" in an R-2 zoning district. This apartment is about 23 feet from each side lot line. 7he building is 38 feet from the property line. The present code, which came after the building was constructed, eails for a total of 7,5 parking stalls. , T�he ratio is based on two-one bedroom units, one-two bedroom unit, and one-three bedroom unit. i'he parking suggested would be similar to what-'s existing, with 9' by 20' foot stalls to abut the boulevard, but not be in the boulevard. Eight (II) stalls at 9 ft. wide would equal 72 feet of parking width on this 8 0foot lot. Staff suggests that a four (4) foot setback from the properYy 'iine to the parking stall be maintained in the side yard. (5ee attached drawing), Parking in the side yard is impractical. There is space in the rear yard for two parking stalls without a variance, Tlie terrain would make entering the rear yard difficult unless the alley were used for access. APPEALS COMMISSION N:FP:.TING - MARCfI 14. 797� Page 3 Chairperson Schnabel reminded the Commission members that the adjacent property owned by Mr. Richard lYarren Aart, 6035 Main Street NE, was basically tied-in with this property, She explained that even though there were tv,�o separate o�vners, the alignment of the dumpster and parking stalls would be similar, Mr, Waara said that the requests by himself and Mr, Hart were basically identical, He asked if Mr, Hart could review this with the Commission at the same time, Mr. Richard 4Yarren Hart ��as present at the meeting and agreed to discuss ihe requests in conjunction rrith Mr. Vlaara. Mr. Moravetz explained a sketch that staff had drawn up. He said that City definitely wanted to maintain the indicated island, He said by doing so, it vJOUld leave each of the property owners with their own private parkin� area. He indicated that the dumpster could either �e placed east of the i'sland area, properly scr��ned, anu� shared by the two buildings, or that each of the property owners could have 'separate dumpsters located on a blacktop area. Mr. Moravetz explained that the reason the City wanted to maintain the island tivas the fact that if a continuous parking lot were allowed on the properties in question, the same thing could be requested to the South of the properties and the area could end up v�ith 3/4 of the block of continuous parking area, He also said that lvith the continueus parYing lot, there rrould be the potential danger of people utilizir_� that parking area as an additional traffic lane. Mr. Moravetz also Mr. Hart had regarding 1) They could, of they so choose explained the three alternatives Mr. 1�laara and the paving of their parking areas, course, obtain the services of any contractor to do the work, at any time. He said that the City strongly advised them not to pave until after the street �vas paved because the final surface grade had not been established. he said that the parking lot surface grade would have to match � the street �urface grade, 2) They could wait and negotiate with the street contractor. � Ae said that if they chose to vrait and coordinate with the street contractor it would result in a better looking job in that it would be paved continuously ivith the street and there would be fewer seams or joints or any problems with the surface grades. 3) They could petition the City to improve their parking 1ots, He said that the City �aould negotiate vrith the contractor in performing the bituminous work. 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Moravetz indicated that alon� �vith the bituminous �vork vrould be the requirement of a six inch vertical poured concrete curb. IIe said that gutters ts�ould not be required, but that the poured concrete curbing }vould be required on all three sides of the ttivo lots. Mr. 4�aara said that they were not interested in tvro separate dumpsters, He also said that they were not interested in maintaining the eight foot island that e�as being proposed by the city, He explained that they presently had continuous parking on the t�vo lots with the dumpster located in the middle of the two properties. He didn�t feel that the island vras practical. He said that the dumpster could be empiied conveniently e��ithout infringing ori any of the parking spaces. He £elt that the island would necessitate the requesting of some residents in the buildings not to park at that location on Tuesdays and Fridays and he felt that vras a very unreasonable thing to expect of the residents� Mr, Hart also indicated that he did not like the idea of the eight foot proposed island, Mr. Kemper felt that the type of things that were being discussed should have been ironed out vrith Staff before it got before the Appeals Commission. He said that he had the impression that the petitioners were not in agreement with vthat Staff had proposed, He questioned why these disagreements tiveren�t ircned out previously. Mr, lUaara explained that originally iFrhen he came to City Hall to make the variance requests he had been told that he could make the request and that Staff tvould '�fill'� in all the section numbers, etc, He said that he Evanted to be able to park in the front of the building because it �vould be impractical to park any place else; and secondly he wanted to eliminate the side yard setback requirement, He said that he rras told that the side yard could be reduced to zero and that was v�hat he tivanted to do, Mr, :Naara explained that he �+anted his side property line reduced to zero foot setback and that Mr. Hart vranted his side property line setback reduced to zero. Chairperson Schnabel said that if the petitioner was not content with tivhat the Appeals Commission decided that night, he should contact Mr. rloravet2 bet�aeen then and mhen the item would be heard 'by City Council and betrJeen the ti�ro of them they could arrive at a more palatable recommendation, rir. Moravetz indicated that the sketch was merely the best recommendation that Staff could make. He said it v�as not necessarily one that the Commission had to agree upon, He said that even if it was decided to eliminate the proposed island the petitioners ivou2d have to restrict parking in that area. Mr. Hart said that �vas the location that they lvanted to put the dumpster. He said that no one parked at that location presently and so no one �vould have to be put out of a parking space. Mr. Barna sug�ested that the entire island be blacktop, He said that the dumpster could then be located at that site, He said that there wou2d be full curbs at.the sides of the island and a depressiori in the center of it for access by the trash trucks. He said that with the eleven foot boulevard and the dumpster being located four to five feet back from the boulevard, there would be approximately 15 feet between the street and the dumpster, He said that the dumpster would be properly and attractively screened with access for the tenents at the rear of the screening. Mr. Vlaara asked if it would be practical to that island, even though the entire area tivas to put curbing around be blacktop. Mr. Barna said that the curbing would eliminate anyone parking in front of the dumpster area. He said that the curbs would also help prevent the tenants from banging into the fence that would be put up around the dumpster, Ae said the curbs veould also prevent the dumpster driver from banging into any cars that could be parked close to the dumpster. Mr, Barna felt that by utilizing curbing, blacktop, definite strip and definite entry area, it would eliminate the hazardous conditions that could exist, He also felt that it would look very attractive. Mr. lyaara and Mr. Hart said that they �tere not opposed to the suggestions. Chairperson Schnabel wanted to revievr�viih the petitioners the individual requests to be sure they were in agreement at that time: '+To alloev ihe required off-street parking stalls to be closer to the front property line than the required five feet.�� Mr. PJaara and Mr. Hart agreed that the wanted to park zero feet from the tivesterly front property line. "To reduce the required parking stall width from ten feet to nine feet and square footage from 200 square feet to 180 square feet, to allow 9 ft x 20 ft parking stalls.�� Mr. 1Vaara and Mr. Hart said that it was agreeable with them. "To allow the parking stalls to be closer to the side yard property line than five feet�� Mr, L'Jaara and Mr. Hart �vanted both their side yard property , lines redtzced to four feet. "To allo��r the location of a garbage receptacle in the front yard, rather than the required side or back yard,�� Mr. ti7aara and P1r. Hart said that they ivanted the trash receptacZe located in the front yard, between the two buildings. APPEALS COMMISSION M�PTIPIG - MARCH 14, 1978 Pa�e 6 MOTION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Barna, to close the Public Hearin�. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing tivas closed at 8:32 P,M, MOTION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Appeals Commission recommend approval of the request for variances of the Fridley City Code as Follows; Section 205.075,1,E,i to allow the required off-street parking stalls to be zero feet to the front property line; Section 205.075,1,D, to reduce the required parking stall iridth from ten feet to nine feet, and squar.e footage fro� 200 square feet to 180 square feet, to allow 9 ft by 20 ft'parking stalls; Section 205.075,1,E,3, to a11o1*i the parking stalls to be located four feet from the front side property lines; Section 205.i38,5, to allo�^� the location of a garbage receptacle in the front yard, rather than the required side or back yard; to alloiv the continuing use of the front yard parking and dumpster locations on Lots 2� and 25, Blocit 8, Ayde Park, �he same being 6021 Main Street N.E., Fridley� Minnesota, Chairperson Schnabel requested that the Staff redratir �xhibit A before the request goes to City Council, to reflect the discussion regarding the actual location of the dumpster. UPON A VOICE VUTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. CQNTINUED: RE�UEST FOR VARIATdCES 0� THE I'RIDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLO'�75: S�CTION 205.075�1�E,1, TO ALLOl'1 THE RE�UIR�D OFF-STREET PARKING S`i`kLLS TO B� CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAP1 Ti3E RE�UIRED 5 I'EET; AND S�CTION 205.075�1�D� TO REDUC� THE RE(�UIRED PARKING STALL 1'1IDTH FROM 10 I��LT TO 9 FE�T, AND S�JUAItG FOOTAGP FROM 200 S�JLT9RE Fr�`P TO 180 SOUARE F�ET� TO AI,LO'r`J 9 FT BY 20 FT PARKING STALLS; AND SECTION 205,o75,L,�,3, TO ALLOl9 THE PARKING STALLS TO BE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE TAAN 5 PEET; �1ND SECTION 205.138,5� TO ALLOCJ TIi� LOCATION OF A G11h'B�1GE R" C�'iACLE IN TH� FRONT YAARD, RATH�R THIIN THE REQUIRED SIDE CR BACK YARD; TO ALLO't'J THE CONTINUING USE OF THE FRONT YARD PARIiING AND DUMPSTyR LCCATIONS OPI LOTS 26 . AND 27� BLOCK 8, HYDE P�RI{, TH� SAME B�ING 6035 MAIPI STREET Ny� k'RIDLEY� MINNESOTA, (RE�UEST BY RICHARD l`JARREN HART� 6035 MAIN STRE�T N�� PRIDLEY� MN 55432). Chairperson Schnabel indicated that it would not be necessary to open the Public Hearing, unless Mr. Hart, or someone from the audience, had more input on the item. AFP�ALS COMMISSION MEETING - M�RCH 14, 1978 Fa�e 7 ADMINISTRATIV� STAFF RLi'ORT 6035 Main Street N.E. A� PUBLLC PURPOS� SERVED BY R��UIRLM�NT; Section 205.075,t,E,1, prohibiting parking in required front yard. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard, Section 205.075,1,E,3, prohibiting parking any closer than five feet from the property line, The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in areas adjacent to lot lines and to separate parking with landscaped areas. Section 205,075,1,D� requiring a parking stall to be a minimum of ten feet by twenty feet and 200 square feet, The purpose served is to provide adequate room bet��een large vehicles. Section 205.�38,5, designating the rear and side yards as the only approved locations for garbage receptacles. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard, B. STATED HARDSHIP: In order to comply tiuith City Code parking requirements as requested by the City �ngineering Department, C, ADP4INISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEI'l: It rras determined by the Ci+y Zoning Administrator that this four- plex apartment is to be treated as a R-3 (multiple dwelling} use in an R-2 (tv�o farsily structures) district. Therefore, all City Code sections quoted are for the property's actual "use" in an R-2 zoning district. This apartment is about Z3 feet from each side lot 1ine. The building is 38 feet from the property line, The present code, v�hich came after the building ti+ras constrncted, calls 'for a total of 7,5 parking stalls. The ratio is based on two one-bedroom units, one t��o-bedroom unit, and one three-bedroom unit, The parking suggested �JOUld be similar to what's existing� with 9 ft x 20 ft stalls to abut the boulevard, but not be in the boulevard. Eight (8) stalls at nine feet lvide tivould equal 72 feet of parking t�ridth on this 82 foot lot. Staff suggests that a ` four (G.) foot setback from the side property line to the parking stall be maintained. (See Exhibit A). Parking in the side yard is impractical. There is space in the rear yard for two parking stalls t,rithout a variance. The terrain tvould make entering the rear yard difficult unless the alley were used.for access, .�- APP�ALS COMMISSIOTd MEI,TIPiG - MARCIT 14. 19%8 Pa�e 8 MOTION by Mr. Barna� seconded by Mr. Plemel� that the Appeals CommisUion recommend approval of the request for variances of the Fridley City Code as foilorrs. Section �05.075,1,�,1 to allov� the required off-street parking -stalls to be zero feet to the front property line; Section 205.075,1,D, to reduce the required parking �tall width from ten feet to nine feet, and square footage_from 200 square feet to 180 square feet, to allow g ft by 20 ft parking stalls; Section 205.075,1��3, to allo�r the parking stalls to be located four feet from the front side proper.ty lines; Section 205,138,5� to allow the location of a garbage receptacle screened and on hard surface in the front yard� rather than the required side or back yard; to allow the continuin� use of the front yard parking and dumpster locations on Lot 26 and 27, Block 8, Hyde Park, the same being 6035 Main Street NE, Fridley, Minnesota. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously a.t 8:1�2 P.M, 3. RE�UEST FOR VARIANCES OF TH� FRIDLEY CITY CODE� AS FOLLO@!S: SECTION 20�j.o53i>s�� T4 R��DUCE THF SID� YI�RD SETBACK OF AN EXISTII3G DyTACiiLD GAR�IGE AY�1D A PROPO5ED TUCK UNDER GARAGE, ti�JHICH BOTH ^vF�N ON A SID� STRE�T� PROPQ TH� RE�UIRED 25 ?�'�^T TO 20 FE�T; AND BECTION 205.�53,3� TO INCR�ASE THE tiAXIMU;4 LOT COVERAG� 3Y THP�, MAIN BUILDING AND ACCESSORY BUILDIP�GS FROM 25% to 26.1};0� TO AI,LO'+V THE CONSTRUCTIOV OF A D'�'lELLING '�JITH A TUCF�-UPZDER GARAGE (SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF SP�CIAL USE Pyl��1IT� SP #`]8-03 I'OR A SECOND ACC�SSORY BUILDING), TO BE LOCAT�D ON LOT 15, t�IdD THE SOUTIiERLY 15 FEET OF LOT 1 L�� PLYt40UTH ADDITION� THE S11ME BFING 4600 2ND STREET N�� FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (R�QU�ST BY HARVEY ROLSTAD� 4608 2nd STREET N�, FRIDL�Y PiINNESOTA 554zi). MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by P4r, Kemper, to open the Public Hearing, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unaninously. The Public Hearing was opened at 8:47 P,M, ADMINISTR!1TIVE STAFF R�'PORT .A, PUBLIC PURPOS� S�RV�D BY RE!?UIRLM!�VT: Section 205.o53,4rB, requiring that any attached or unattached accessory building which opens on the side street should be at least 25 feet from the property line on the side street. The purpose served is to allovr for off-street parking rrithout encroaching on the public right of vray. �llso the aesthetic consideration of the neighborhood to reduce the building l�e of site encroachment into the neighbor's front yard. APPEALS COM2�IISSION MEFTIPTG - MARCH 14, 1978 Pa�e S Section 205.053�3. limiting lot coverage in a residential area to 2y� of the lot. The purpose served is to eliminate the condition of overcrowding of residential areas. B. STATED HARDSH7P: If I make the corner Lot three feet bigger, it would move the lot line into the driveeray up to the old house; and if I make the house smaller, it c+ill be too small for a family of six people. C. ADNfINISTRATTVE STIsFF RL'SIIEIV: This variance item is subject to the approval of a lot split and a Special Use Permit for a second accessory building. Staff has recomnended a 62 ft. - 58 ft. split ti�rhich would negate the need for a lot coverage variance, The existing 22 ft x 30 ft garage would remain, vrith a nevr tuck-under garage added to the proposed house, The tuck under garage would open on to y6th Street. House plans are not available at this writing, Please note also, that a 58 foot lot, rather than a 55 foot 1ot, tvould move the garage back three feet to make it 23 feet from the side yard property line. The boulevard is approxi�ately 12 feet. Chairperson Schnabel explained that the Special IIse Permit request tivould appear before the Planning Commission on March 22, 197II. She said the request l�as being made to allow a second accessory building in addition to a nee� house t�ith a tuck-under garage to beconstructed, She said that the Lot Split request lvould also be heard by the Planning Commission on March 22, 1978. Mr, r4oravetz said that Staff felt the Appeals Commission could make recommendations on the variance made subject to the Lot Split. He said that both variance requests tivere reasonable and Staff didn't anticipate any problems. Chairperson Schnabel explained where the existing house and garage tivere located on a sketch the Commission had available, She said that the petitioner oim ed the entire property in question, She �said that Mr. Rolstad vranted to split the property thereby creating a separate building site incorporating the existing garage v�rith the nevrly created building site. APPEALS COMP�ISSION MPFTING - MARCH 14. 1978 Pa�e 10 Mr. Rolstad had the plans of the house with him. He said that the plans were not exactly what he !vas going to build, He said that the house he was building was to be t�vo feet longer than the one shown on the plans, and he said that his house would not have the fireplace, He said that he planned to have a solar heating unit located on the roof of the planned house, Mr. Rolstad said that he needed the extra garage space to store cars, boats, etc. Chairperson Schnabel asked if any of the garage space �vould be used for anything other than their private usage. Mr. Barna asked if any of the garage space would be used for business-type activity, Mr. Rolstad said that the garages were all needed and would be used for their personal activities and storage, Mr. Rolstad showed the Commission on the sketch approximately where the proposed house ti�rould be built and urhere the existent garage was located, Mr. r4oravetz said that v�hatever ihe Appeals Commission decided that ni�ht, it �vould not have any effect on the Lot Split request that would go before the Planning Com,mission on March 22nd, He said that P�4r, Holden suggested that both variances be received at the March 14th meeting prior to the Lot Split and pending the Special Use Permit approval. Mr. Kemper said that the Appeals Commission had to view the request as an existing situation� tivithout considering any type of lot split, MOTION by Mr, Plemel, seconded by Mr. Barna, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the moti.on carried unanimc�usly. The Public Hearing was closed at 9;02 P�M, MOTION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Appeals Commission recommend approval of the request for variances of the Fridley City Code, as folloti+rs: Section 205.o53,5,B, to reduce the side yard setback of an existing deiached garage and a proposed tuck-under garage, which both open on a side street, from the required 25 feet to 20 feet; Section 205.053,3 to increase the maximum lot covsrage by the main building and accessory buildings from 25% to 26.4%; to alloe� the construction of a d�velling erith a tuck-under garage (subject to approval of Special Use Permit, SP #�78-03 for a second accessory building), to be located on Lot 15, and the southerly 15 feet of Lot 14, Plymouth Addition, the same being �600 2nd Street N�, Fridley, Niinnesota. APPPALS COMMISSIOt1 MTPTING - MARCH 14� 1978 Pa�e 11 UPON A VoICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 4. RE�U�ST P'OR VARIANCES OF THE FRIDT,�Y CITY COD� AS FOLL01"�5: S�CTZON 205.075,1,F�1� TO A7�ZOlV TI3E REQUIR�D OFF-STRE�T PARKING STALLS TO BE LOCAT�D IN TH� R�C�UIRED FRONT YARD; APID SECTION 205,0'J5�1�E,3� TO ALLOISI OFF-STRE�T PARKING 4 FEET FROM THE ZOT LINE INSTEAD QF TH,� REG�UIRF.D 5 FEET; AND SFCTION 205,075>>>D� TO REDUCE TH� R�RUIRED PARKIPIG STALL ';IIDTH FROM 10 FEET T0 9 FE�T� AND S9UARE FOOTAGE FROM 200 S�UAP.E F'�ET TO 180 S�UAR� FEET, TO ALLOi'! 9 PT, BY 20 FT. PARKING STALLS� TO ALLO�V CONTINUATIOtd OF EXiSTZNG PARKING IN FRONT AND/OR SID� YARD ON LOTS 18 and 1g, BLOCK 8� fiYD� PARK� THE SAME BEING 6011 MAIN STREET N�� FRIDLEY, MN, (RL(�U�ST BY KENN�TH F, PETERSON� 2L�1�1 LYNDALE AVENUE SOUTH, MINNEAPOLIS� MN 554�5). MOTION by PQr. Kemper� seconded by Mr. Plemel, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Iiearing was opened at 9:06 P.M, Mr. Thomson was present at the meeting representing Mr. Peterson, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT A, PUBLIC PURPOSL SERVED BY RE9UIRF�4ENT: Section 205.075,t,E,1, prohibiting parking in required front yard. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in the front �>�.rd, Section 205,053,�,E,3, prohibiting parking any closer than five feet from the side property line. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in area adjacent to lot lines and to separate parking with landscaped areas. Section 205.053,1,D, requiring a parlcing stall to be a minimum of 10 feet by 20 feet and 200 square feet. The purpose served is to provide adequate room betrreen large vehicles. �B, STATED HARDSHIP: We tvish to continue the present front yard off-street parking. The cost for making a parking lot rrould be prahibitive - it v�ould increase the rents too much for that area� APPPALS COMMISSION Mr1sTTNG - MARCH 14, 19� Pa�e 12 C, A1R�INISTRA'PIVE STAFP RL'VIFt'�; It was determined by the City Zoning Administrator that this four- plex apartment is to be treated as a R-3 (multiple dwelling} use in an R-2 (tcao family structures) district, Therefore, all City Gode sections quoted are for the property's actual "use" in an R-Z zoning district. The present code, ivhich came after the building i�ras constructed, calls for a total of 7.5 parking stalls. The ratio is based on one one-bedroom unit, three tr�o-bedroom units. The parking suggested would be simiZar to tivhat's existing, vaith 9 ft by 20 ft stalls to abut the boulevard, but not in the boulevard, �ight (8) stalls at nine feet wide would equal 72 feet of parking width on this 86 foot lot. Staff su�;ests that a four (4) foot setback from the property line to the parking stall be maintained in the side yard. (See attached dravring) . Parking in the side yard is impractical� but a driveway space is provided for some parking stalls �vii:hout a variance, Mr. Moravetz said that the o�•mer of the property in 1965 had requestsd and �ras grante� a variance to park in the front yard, He said that the variance read that the olvner at that time had cianted to pave the front parking area, He indicated that, to date, the parlcing lot had never been paved. I�Ir. Thomson said that the request was exactly the same for 6011 and 6019 and very similar to the previous variance requests for 6021 and 6035 Main Street, He said that the difference mainly was that the properties at 6011 and 60�9 liad the trash recepticals located to the rear of the buildings. Mr, Plemel asked how the trucks got to the rear of the buildings to empty the dumpsters. Mr. Thomson said that the trucks could go inbettveen the t�vo buildings because Lots 20 & 21 were vacant and the trucks could drive across them, He said that PZr. Peterson also oimed the tivo lots.- Mr. Barna said that City should deny access to the rear yard ,via the drivei�Jay on the South side of the property, He suggested encouraging the petitioner to have some green area on the South side of the building. Mr. Thomson said that the present time both buildings were using a common durapster located bet��een the trao buildings, He said that for the indefinite future, the dumpster vrould remain at that location and the drive�tay t�fould be placed betrreen the t��ro buildings, giving the trash trucks access to the dumps+ers. He said that if, and tvhen, it was ever decided to do any improvements to the lot, the petitioner tivould have to redo the curbing at that time. l�'.AI�T�'+.,1�_ ��=t"�G��.�'� ��.��:. ENGI NEERS AND SURVEYORS LANO OVRVEY�NO CIVIL. 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M�NDER ENGINEERtNC� CO., INC. tM � .�1�alL_..._. ..�...��........ _.. .. _......._._._...._.. /4T\O TWa.. �� . n�.Iws . .. . � . � .. '_'.....__......._......" _".._....... 'QQ'iJ� u�I�, £�BZ . . . . . .. .-..� ...... �"� �+.a.w nnn� nn rtr •n•7 ^-��- F � � _ _ _. _ .., _ � . _. _ APPEALS COMtdISSIOPI MEPTING - MARCII 14, 1978 Pa�e 1� Chairperson Schnabel asked about a parking 1ot being deve]_oped to the rear of the building. N[r. Thomson said that it �vould be too expensive and would restrict the future� possible� development of the vacant lots. He didn't believe that their havin� the parking in the front ti�ras any different than the previous requests for 6021 and 6035 Main Street. Chairperson Schnabel explained that the differences were the fact of the slope of the rear property on those lots almost prohibited a driveti��ay to the rear of the property rJithout the expense of the alley being opened up. Mr. Thomson said that the tvro vacant lots v�ere also serving as green area in the neighborhood, Mr. Ronald McClain of 6007 Main Street NE lvas present at the meeting regarding this request. He �vanted to see the five foot setback maintained on that property. He said that in years previous garbage trucks that had used the south property driveway had managed to ruin i;he lativn and some sma11 shrubs, He felt it would help him beautify his property if that five feet vrere maintained because it would allov� for more green areas, Chairperson Schnabel explained to Mr. McClain that it had been agreed not to have a curb cut at the existing south dri.vev�ay, She said that all the parking l'JOUZCl I7P, in the frent yard �uith no access to the rear at the south side of the building, Mr, Kemper said that there tivould be the possibility of having the entire south side of the property used just for green area in the neighborhood. Mr. McClain tkought it �vould definitely be a good idea, He said that he had no concerns as long as it ivas done tYie way the Appeals Commission �vas suggesting, Mr. Moravetz indicated to Mr. Thomson that Mr, Peterson had the same eptions as Mr, Waara and Mr, Hart had been given regarding the paving of thei.r properties, Mr. Thomson said that he vrould relay the information to Mr. Peterson and have Mr, Peterson call Mr. Moravetz for the details, MOTION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by ASr. Barna, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. .The Public Hearing rJas closed at 9:34 P.M. APPPALS C�MMISSION MPPTING - MARCFi 14� 1R78 Pa�e 14 Chairperson Schnabel said that the petitioner was in agreement to eliminate the drive area on the South side of the building by putting curbing across the entire easterly edge of the parking area, to reduce the size of the parking stalls, to reduce the side yard setbacks from five feet to four feet, and to eliminate the rear yard parking. MOTION by Mr, Barna, seconded by Mr. PZemel, that the Appeals Commission recommend approval of the request for variances of the Fridley City Code as follov�s: Section 205.075,1,�,1, to allow the required off-street parking stalls to be zero feet to the front property line; Section 205,0?5,1�E�3 to allo�v off-street parking stalls to be lnr.ata� fnur fP,P.t from the front side propertv lines: . � Section 205,0�5�1,D, to reduce the reauired parking stall width from ten feet to nine feet, and square footage from 200 square feet to 180 square feet, to allow 9 ft by 20 ft parking stalls; to alloti^r continuation of existing parking in the front yard on Lots 18 and 19, Block 8, Hyde Park� the same being 6011 Main Street NE, Fridley, MN. UPON A VOICE VOT�, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 5. REQ,UEST FOR VARIA1�iCES OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE AS POLLOlN5: SECTION 205.075�1��1 TO ALLOti'J THE RE2UIRFD OFF-STREET PARKING STAI,LS TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YI�RD; AND SECTION 205,075�1��3, TO ALL01V OFF-STRLET PARKING STALLS TO BE CLOSER TO TH� SIDE PROPERTY LINE TAAN FIV� FEET; AND SECTION Z05,075�1�D� TO P.EDUCE THE RE�UIRFD PARKING STAI.L �;JIDTH FROi�I 10 FEET T0.9 FYET, AND SQIIAR�' FOQTAG� FROM 200 S�UAR� FE�T TO 180 SC�UARE F�'.sT� TO ALLOI'1 9 ft by 20 ft, PARKING STALLS; TO ALZ06`J CONTINtTATION OF FXISTING PARKING IN FROA�`P AND/OR SIUE YARD ON I,OTS 22 and 23, BLOCI{ 8� ' HYDE PARK� THE SAME BEING 6019 MAIN STREET N�� FRIDLEY� MN, (RE�UEST BY KENNETH F, P�TERSON� 241�1 LYNDALE AVENUE SOUTH, MINNEAPOLIS� MN 55t�o5). MOTION by Mr. Plemel� seconded by Mr. Barna, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried ,unanimously. The Public Hearing tvas opened at 9:39 P,M, "1�'..' APP�ALS COMPIISSION MPPTING - MARCtI 14. 197$ Pa�e 15 ADI�1ThtISTRFITIVE STAf'F R[PORT 6019 MAIN STREET NE. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED QY RLCIUIREf�EtdT: Section 2�5.075, 1, E,l, prohibiting parking in required. front yard. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard. Section 205.053, 1, E,3, prohibiting parking any closer than 5 feet from the property line. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in area adjacent to lot lines and to separate parking l•riih landscaped areas. ' Section 205.053, 1, D, requiring a parking stall to be a minimum of 10 feet by 20 feet and 200 square feet. The purpose served is to provide adequate room between large vehicles. B. STAT6A HARD�HJP; We wish to continue the present front yard off-street parking. The cost for making a parking lot would be prohibitive - it would increase the rents too much for that area. C. ADPiIPJIS7RATiVE STAFF REVIE4l: It tti�as determined by the City Zoning Administrator that this four-plex apartment is to be treated as a R-3 (multiple dwelling) use in an R-2 (two faroily st�uctures) district. Therefore, all City Code sections qaoted are for th2 property's actual °use" in an R-2 znning district. The present code, which came after the building was constructed, calls � for a total of 7.5 parking stalls. The ratio is bzsed on one-one bedreo�n unit, three-�wc, bedroom units. The parking suggested ti,�ould be similar to a�hat's existing, with 9' by 20' stalls to abut the boulevard, but not in the 6oulevar�d. Eight (8) stalls at 'J feet wide would equal 72 feet of pari:ing :vidtli on this 82 foot lot. Staff su,r,gests that a four (4) foot se�back froi�i the proper�y line to the parking stall be maintained in . the side yard. (See attached drat•ring). Parking in the side yard is impractical, but a driveway space is pruvided fo�� some parking stalls without a variance. APPFALS COMMISSION MFRTING - MARCH 14, 1978 Pa�e 16 Chairperson Schnabel indicated that the requests for 6011 and 6019 Main Street were essentially the same.. Mr. Thomson said that they tivanted to completely eliminate the parking on the side of the buildin�. MOTION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Kemper, to close the Public Hearin�, Upon a voice vote, all voting ayea the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 9:�6 P.M, MOTION by Mr. Barna� seconded by Mr. Plemel� that the Appeals Commission recommend approval of the request for variances of the Fridley City code as follows: , Section 205.075,1,E,1, to allovr the required off-street parking stalls to be zero feet to the front property line; Section 205.075,1�E,3, to alloer the parking stalls to be located four feet from the iront side property lines; Section 205,075,1�D, to reduce the required parking stall �vidth from ten feet to nine feet� and square footage from 200 square feet to 180 square feet� to allo�a 9 ft by 20 ft parking stalls; to alloer continuation of existing parking in front yard on Lots 2Z and 23� Block 8, Hyde Park� the same being 601g P4ain Street NE, Fri dley, MN. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Schnabel declared a ten minute recess at 9:52 P,M. 6. REOUEST FOR VARIANCES OP THE FRIDLEY CTTY COD� AS FOLLOIVS: SECTION 205,0%5�1�E�1� TO ALLOV� THE REQUIRED OFF-STREET PI�RKING STALLS TO BE LOCATED IN THF REQUIRED FRONT YARD; AND SECTION 205.075�1��3� T0 ALLOIV OFF-STREET PARKITIG STALLS TO BE CLOSER TO THE SIDE PROPyRTY LINE THIIN I�'IVE FEBT; TO ALLOVJ CONTINUATION OF EXISTING PARKING IN FRONT AND/OF SIDE YARD ON LOTS 25 AND 26, BLOCK 9� HYDE PARK� TH� SAME BEING 596t M�IN STREET NE� FRIDLEY� MINN�SOTA, (REQUEST BY JEAN D, OLSON-GIiZDA� 5961 MAIN STRE�T NE� FRIDLEY� MINNESOTA 55432). �MOTION BY Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� a11 voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing vras opened at 10:03 P.M� _ _ , _ , „�„' € APPSAL; COI�IMI5SION M?:i?TING - MARC,II 14, 19,�8 Pa�e 17 ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF RLI'ORT A, PUBLIC PURPOSF. SLRV�D BY REc�UIREMENT: Section 205,0']5,1,E,1, prohibiting parking in front yard, The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard. Section 205,075,1,E,3, prohibiting parking any closer than five feet from the property line. The purpose served is to reduce visual pollution in areas adjacent to lot lines and to separate parkin� rrith landscaped areas. B, STATLD HARDSHIP: Property has had off-street parking for approximately 18 years, ever since the structure was constructed. C, AAMINISTRATIV� STAri' REVIE��'!: The Code sections involved are for R-3 Zones. The duplex is an R-2 use, but the code sections are identical; therefore, the �-�j sections are used, The rear of the lot is serviced b;� an alley and adequate parkin� can be provided off the alley. Removal of the front yard parking vrould improve the looks of the front yard, Chairperson Schnabel asked if there was a r.ear exit to the building, Ms, Gazda said that there ivas a rear exit but there lvas no sidewalk and the yard sloped unwards, Ms, Gazda also explained that another hardship vras the fact that her grandmother, her mother, her brother, her husband and herself occupy the duplex, She said that her grandmother lvas deaf and dumb and her brother was blind and it l��as easier :or them to access frem the front of the building, She said that there tivas no sideiaalk at the rear access. Chairperson Schnabel suggested that before the item went to City Council that the stated hardship include the fact that there tivere handicap people living in the duplex and there was better/easier ,access to the building through the front entrance. Ms. Gazda said that it was in the long range plans to add a garage in the rear yard, She said that at that time the rear exit wou].d be improved and made more accessible; however she would still tivant to maintain the front parking area. Mr. I{emper asked if the existing parking area in the front of the building ifas paved, P4r. Gazda said that it was blacktop surface. Mr. Moravetz said that there was enough blacktop on the property to accommodate four cars. APP�ALS CGI�IMISSIOY MP�TING - 14ARCH 14� 1978 Pa�e 18 Mr. Gazda wanted to knov� how the street improvement would effect their property. The Appe.als Commission did not have an exact ansvrer for Mr. Gazda. They informed him that he vaould be notified of a Public Hearing once all the details were worked out. Chairperson Schnabel said that if they have an existing blacktop area, they vrould be better off using that area than to require them to blacktop any additional part of the property when it may not fit into their Ion�-range pians. Mr. Barna said that it tivould be more economically feasible to allo�v the continuation of the present parking facilities. Mr. Moravetz indicated that the Gazda's �rould have the same three alternatives that had been offered to the previous petitioners. MOTION by Mr. Kemperf seconded by Mr, Barna, to close the Public Hearing, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, The Public Aearing was closed at 10:33 P.M, MOTION by Mr. Barna� seconded by Mr, Plemel, that the Appeals Commission recommend approval of the request for variances of the Fridley City Code as follotivs: Section 205.075�1,E�1� to allovr the required off-street parking stal.�s to be located in tke front yard as presently existent; Section 205.o75,t,�,3, to allorT the parking stalls to be located zero feet from the front side property lines; to aZZoir continuation of existin� parking in front and/or side yard on Lots 25 and 26� Block 9� Hyde Park� the same being 5961 P4ain Street NE� Fridley� Minnesota. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 7. REQUEST FOR VLIRIANCES OF TFiE PRIDLEY CITY CODE AS FOLLOIVS: SECTION 205.o53,t��A� TO RE�DUCE TH� RE�UIRED FRONT YARD SFTBACK FROT•4 35 �'��r To 24.25 FEET; AND SECTION 205.053,4,c, TO R�DUCE THL REAR YARD SETBACK FROM THB RE�UIRED 33 F�LT TO 28 FEET; TO ALL0;9 THL CONSTRUCTION OF A Dt'J�I,LING AND GARAGE ON LOTS 1 AN➢ 2� , BLOCK 1j� PLYMOUTH ADDITIODI� THE SAh4E BEING 4560 2ND STi2EET NE� FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (R�!�UEST BY JOSg'H POl"JERS, 4544 2nd STREET NE, FRIDLEY� MN 55t�2�.) MOTION by Mr. $arna� seconded by Mr. Kemper� to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing ivas opened at 10:38 P,M. _ , _� �1PPPAI„S COt1J�tI>SION M�'�TIAIG - M�IRCII 14, 1978 � Pa�re 19 AnMTP1IS'PRATIUP STAPF RPPORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSP ;ERUPD I3Y Rr�UIR?�t�IFNT: Section 205.053,1�,A, requiring a front yard setback of 35 feet. Public purpose cerved is to �11ova for off-street parking evithout encroachin� on the public ri�ht of v�ay, Also for aesthetic consideration to reduce the "building line of sight" encroachment into the neighbor's front yard, B, Section 205,053,��C, requiring a rear yard setback of 25% of the lot depth. Public purpose served is to provide desired rear yard space to be used for green area lchich enhance the neighborhood, STATnD HARDSIIIP: I would like to line my house up with those on 2nd Street and build a 3-car garage to house cars� storage and hobby shop, C, AA'`1INISTRATIVE STAFI' R�VIE'.9: The exititing garage eri11 be removed. The is adjacent to an alley v�hich is unUurface Both boulevards in the area are about 12 f (east side) of the existin� sarage is shoc, the property line on Second Street, and a to be in line i�ith the neighboring houses. proposed to match this alignment, "rear yard�� encroachment d, but.stiil in use. eet wide, The front n to be 21�,25 feet from field check shoufs it The neea house is APPEALS COMMISSION MEPTING - MARCFI 14� 1978 Page 20 Chairperson Schnabel reiterated that the lot was vacant except for a,garage that vras facing Second Street. She also said that there was a cyclone fence in existence. Mr. Powers had a survey and a sketch of the proposed house. He said that the garage that_was on the property vrould be removed. Mr. Plemel confirmed the fact that the house would be 42 feet long, 28 feet deep, plus a three-car attached garage. Mr. Potivers said that vras what he wanted to build on that lot. Mr. Moravetz said that there v�ould be 21% lot coverage if the proposed house lvas constructed with the attached garage. He said that there irould be no corner encroachment, Mr, Powers explained that the variance requests were being made so his proposed house tivould conform with the other houses on the block, Mr. Poivers said that he vaas avaare of the fact that he could construct the house differently. He said that the plans that he was showing the Commission was what he wanted to be able to build, Mr. Kemper asked if Mr. Powers vaould build the house. Mr. Powers said that he would proposed house, He said he would received the necessary permits. contract-out the building of the begin construction as soon as he Chairperson Schnabel questioned the ��hobby shop{' that Mr. Potivers had stated plans to have. Mr. Powers said it v�ould be entirely for his personal hobby. He said that no outside business vrould be handled from the hobby shop. He said that he planned to have a double garage door with driveway and than a single garage door with no drivetvay. He said that the single garage would be mainly for storage and a small hobby shop/tvorkbench, Mr. Po�vers wanted to know why he needed a 33 foot rear yard setback. � Mr. Moravetz said that ihe rear yard setback was to be 25% of the lot depth. Ae explained that in Mr. Powers' case it was 33 feet. Mr. Kemper said that it seemed to be a good use for the lot, ...�._ APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING — MARCH 14, 1978 Paae 21 MOTION 6y Mr• Kemper, seconded by Mr• Plemel, Co close the Public Hearing• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• The Public Hearing was closed at 1��51 P•M. Chairperson Schnabel said that her main concern was that no outside business be conducted from that garage area. MOTION by Mr• Commission approve as follows: Plemel, seconded by Mr• Barna, that the Appeals the request for variances of the Fridley City Code Section 205•053,4,A, to reduce the required front yard setback from 35 feet to 24.25 feet; _ Section 205•053,4,C, to reduce the rear yard setback from the required 33 feet to 28 feet; to allow the construction of a dwelling and garage on Lots 1 and 2, Block 13, Plymouth Addition, the same being 456D 2nd Street NE, Fridley, MN. UPON A VOICE V9TE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• Chairperson Schnabel explained that the requests had 6een approved and Mr• Powers could apply for his Building Permit• 8• REQUEST FOR VARIANCE 4F FRIDLEY CITY CODE, SECTI4N 205•053,4,B, TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD ADJOINING LIVING AREA, FROM THE REQUIRED 10 FEET TO 5 FEET, TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF 1� DWELLING AND GARAGE OIV LOT 11, BLOCK ?, INNSBRUCK NORTH, THE SAME BEING 5505 MATTERH4R(V DRIVE NE, FRIDLEY, MN• �IREQUEST BY EDWARll W• FUERSTENBERG, 5516 REGIS DPIVE NE, FRIDLEY, MN 55432}• MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr• Plemel, to open the Public Hearing• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• The Public Heari.ng was opened at 1�=53 P•M- ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 265•053,4,6,1, requiring a 10 foot side yard setback for living area in an R-1 zone• � Public purpose served by this section of the code is to maintain a minimum of 20 feet between living areas in adjacent structures and 15 feet between garage and living areas in adjacent structures, to reduce the exposure to conflagration of fire• Also to allo�a aesthetically pleasing open areas around residential structures• APpEALS COMMISSION MEETING - MAR�H 14, 1978 Paae 22 8. STATED HARDSHIP: House as designed doesn't fit the 1ot• C• ADMINISTRATIVE STAfF REVIEW: The lot is below street level with several yards of fill• The house to the north is under construction, and wili be ten feet from the common property line• The lot to the Touth is vacant• -House plans and lot survey are not available at this writing• Mr• Moravetz said that since there wasn't a real hardship, Staff wanted to see the size of the proposed house reduced, thereby negating the necessity of the variance• He said �hat if the house was to be built, Staff suggested crowding the South line of the property because the property South of this lot was also owned 6y Mr. Fuerstenberg and he planned to build a house for his private occupancy on that lot• Mr• Moravetz said that the Building Inspector may require soil borings. Mr. Fuerstenberg said that he had already agreed to place the house to the South of the property• He said that he knew he could build a two-story house on that lot without obtaining any variances, but he felt that the propased house would look better on that lot• Mr• Fuerstenberg had house plans and lot survey at the meeting• Mr. Eugene Klumb of 5502 West Danube and Mr• Roger Hertel of 5501 West Danube were at the meeting regarding this item• Mr• Klumb said that Mr• Fuerstenberg's house plans called for an overly large overhang• He didn*t like it at all. Mr• Fuerstenberg said that he felt it would be a very attractive house that wouldn't take away from the area• Mr• Klumb wanted to know what would be done about the ^hole^ to the rear of the property• Mr• Kemper asked how much of the rear yard would be useabie area. Mr• Fuerstenberg explained on the drawing the exact useable space ` on the lot• He said that the culvert divided the properties in the rear. He said that actually very little of the culvert was located on the lot in question• He said that most of the lot's rear yard wnuld be filled in and compacted. Mr• Hertel said that he thought the house planned for the lot was nice; but he didn`t feel that the neighborhood should be compromised• He said that he was aware of the lot and of the codes• He felt that M�• Fuerstenberg should stay within the codes and not be granted any variances. He said that the house should be built to fit the lot and.not vary the lot to fit the house• � �,,,,,,,. APPEALS COMMI3SION MEETING — MARCH 14, 1978 Paqe 23 Mr. Kemper explained that if Mr. Fuerstenberg built a two—story house, he would be able to utilize the exact space on the lot• He said that the code required a ten foot side yard setback for living areas; but that the code oniy required five foot side yard setback between garage and living areas in adjacent structures• He said that Mr. Fuerstenberg needed the variance because he planned to build a tuck—under garage, which would have living space over it• Mr• Kemper said that Mr• Fuerstenberg having to build a different hause would not help the open space subject in the area• Mr• Hertel said that Mr• Fuerstenberg could also rescale the present proposed house• Mr. Fuerstenberg said that he wouldn't r�scale the house plans- Chairperson Schnabel asked if Mr. Fuerstenberg was building the house for resale• Mr. Fuersterberg said that he wouid build the house and live in it while he builds the house to the 3outh of the property• He said when the second house was completed, he would sell the first house and move into the second house• Mr• Kemper asked about the culvert to the rear of the property. Mr• Fuerstenberg said that the filling of that culvert would have to be a neighborhood joint effort� He did hope that it would remain open area, however• Chairperson Schnabel indicated that if the variance was granted, that when Mr• Fuerstenberg built the next dwelling on the South property he would have to stay ten feet. from the property line with the garage or else maintain 2� feet if he planned to have living space adjoining the lot• Mr• Fuerstenberg said that he was sure he would build a different style of house on the South property. Mr• Hertel wanted Mr• Fuerstenberg to have to abide by the codes like everyone else• Mr• Klumb said that the City was wrong to even set up codes, if they didn't expect people to stay within them• Mr• Hertel said that he objected to the request because he didn*t like�the neighborhood to appear crowded• He said it would be aesthetically pleasing to the neighborhood if there was larger spaces maintained between dwellings. Mr• Klumb said that contractors should design houses to fit the lot, and nat change the lot to fit the house• He said that allowing all the variances was beginning to give the neighborhood a crowded 2ook• Mr. Hertel said that Mr• Fuerstenberg knew what the codes were when he bought the property• Chairperson Schna6el explained that the item would have to go to City Council on Apri1 3, 1978• Mr. Fuerstenberg couldn't see any reason not to grant the variance• He said that either way there would be a house on that lot taking up the same amount of space• He felt that the tuck—under style house was better for the particular lot•� MOTION by Mr• Barna, seconded by Mr. Kemper, to close the Public Hearing• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• The Public Hearing was closed at 11:18 P•M• Mr• Kemper said that since there were neighbors objecting to the requests, and the house could be designed to fit the lot, he was not in a position to approve the request• Mr. Qarna was not in favor of the request for the same reasons• Mr. Plemel didn't feel that the request was that serious of a nature• He said that it was an expensive lot and an expensive, attractive house was being proposed• He felt that the variance should be granted• Mr. Kemper said that if there hadn't been neighbors objecting, he would have felt differently• He said he was against it for their stated objections• MOTION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Appeals Commission recommend denial of the request for variance of Fridley City Code, Section 205.053,4,8, to reduce the side yard living area, from the required 10 feet to five feet, to allow the construction of a dwelling and garage on Lot 11, Block 7, Innsbruck North, the same being 5505 Matterhorn Drive NE, Fridley, MN. Chairperson Schnabel said that she was in agreement that the request should be denied because there was no valid hardship• UPON A VOICE V4TE, Mr• Kemper, Ms. Schnabel and Mr• Barna voting aye; Mr• Plemel voting nay; the motion carried• .�I APPPALS C014MISSION MPrTING - MARC1i 14, 1978 Pat�e 2 9. R��ULST FOR VARI�dC�S OF TIi� FRIDLEY CTTY CODE AS FOLLUUJS: SEC�rzo11 zo5.o53e4�B�2� TO REDUC� TIiF RP�UIRED SID� YARD F'ROM �3 r��T TO 8.7 FEET; APID a"�CTION 20j,o53,2,8, TO REUUCE THE MIPIIt4UM LOT l7IDTH PROM 50 F�FT TO 40 FEET; APiD SECTION 205,053�1�B� TO Ri�DUCl. TIiE LOT ARLI� R�2UIR�D I'OR A LOT RECORDED BrFORE DECEhtB�R 29, 1955 PROt�I TH�. RL2UIRED 7500 SQUARE FELT TO 5218 SnUAR� F�FT, TO ALLO��V A 20 FT BY 20 FT ADDITION TO AN �XISTIPdG L�G�IL NON-CONFORh1ITdG RESID�NTIAI, STRUCTiTRP IN C-2 ZOPdING (GEPdI1RAL BUSIAT�SS AREAS) , LOCATED OT_d L�T 21 � BLOCK 22, HYDE PARK, TFiE SAi�4� B�ING 5821 - 2-'� STREPT NE� FRIbL�X� MN, (REQUEST BY SANDY OVLN� 5821 - 2z STRE�T NE� FRIDL�Y9 MN 55432). Chairperson Schnabel explained that the request vras for a house located in the Hyde Park area. She said that the house was in a C-2 Zone and that the residents of the area ;vere in the process of developing a plan to rezone the area to R-1, She said that the llppeals Commission could not act on a request for a non-conforming use, She said it had to be a City Council decision. She said that until the City Council made a decision on the Rezoning, the petitioner had agreed to ti•rithhold the requests. MOTION by t�ir, Plemel� seconded by Mr,. Barna, to continue the item until a future date, at such time that the Rezoning situation was settled by the City Council. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Schnabel said that netiv announcements �vould be sent out at the later date, 10. CONTINUED TO MARCH 28, 7978 (AT PETITIONER'S RERULST FOR 5800 22 STREP,T NE� FRIDLEY� MN, (REQUEST BY MR, ALBIN JOHNSON� RR #1� CUSHING PUBLIC HEARING CLdSED, 11. OTHER BUSINLSS RE9ULST) VARIANGL l`JISCONSIN 54006) . A. Community Development Commission Pieeting - February 14, 197g Chairperson Schnabel said that a copy of pages 1& 2 of the �,. Communi ,,.a� o�.,Commission meeting of P'ebr.uary 14, 197b, had been included in the ag�n� �,,folder because she war.ted the �ppeals ` Commission members to be ati•r�i`r"�-.,of the discussion that had taken place regarding the Advisory Stan''�c.�rds for Land Use Regulations, She said that the Commission unanim��usly agreed that garages should be required in the City of Fri:�:1.�y. B. Synopsis of R-1 Variance Request for 797� -�977 Chairperson Sclmabel said that the copy of the ??-1 Variance Requests for 1976 - 1977 ti•ras �iven to each Commission member, She said that it lvas done at the suggestion of Mr. Kemper to better prepare for the upcoming discussions of the Zoning Ordinance. ' APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING — MARCH Z4, Z978 Page 26_ C• D• E• 4� Faot Lots C.hairperson Schnabel pointed out that on February 27, 1978, City Council denied the requests by Mr• Hedlund to build on 40 foot lots. Delegation of Authority Chairperson Schnabel said that she would not be present at the March 28, 1978, Appeals Commission meeting• She said that Ms. Gabel would chair the meeting• Boulevard Parking Mr• Moravetz said that it was illegal boulevards. He said that the Appeals have the authority to grant permission park on houlevard property• ADJOURNMENT to park in the Cammission did not for people to MOTION by Mr• Barna, seconded by Mr. Kemper, to adjourn the March 14, 1978, Appeals Commission Meeting• Upon a voice vote, a21 voting aye, the motion carried u��nimously• The meeting was adjourned at 11-38 P=M• Respectfully submitted, �' , Mar ee Carhill Recording Secr�etary ' ,�. ... ---� .�--�.•�'"'""".,,� .� � -� r �-, CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION AiEETING MARCH 22. 1978 CALL TO ORDER• Ct-�airperson Harris called the March 22, 19?8, planning Commission meeting to order at 7:37 P.M, ROLL CALL Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: Shea, Bergman� Harris, Gabel, Langenfeld Peterson/Suhrbier Schnabel, Gabel representing Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MARGH 8, 1978 P40TION by Ms, Shea, seconded hy Mr, Langenfeld, to approve the March 8, 1978, Planning Commission minutes, Mr. Langenfeld asked that the words ��and City Council°t added to the last sentence of the third Paragraph on Page 9, so that the sentence would read, "He felt that the whole situation tivas very interesting because he ivas getting the feeling that any time a citizen wanted to request something that could be hard to get, that person could apply for a Specail Use Permit and because of the legal aspects they v�ould be able to be granted the Permit and they tivould have the Commission and City Council "licked�� ! �+ UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carriAd unanimously, The minutes were approved at 7:39 P.M. 1. CONTINUED: VACATI VACATE 4Bth AVLNUr PLYMOUTH ADDITION; RLYMOUTH ADDITION; AVENUE NE, �N RE9UEST, SAV #7B-Ot, By JOSEPH SINIG9LI0: NE (AI?JACENT T0� l�ND SOUTH OF LOT 1� BLOCK 1� l�ND ADJACENT TO AND NORTH OF LOT 30, BLOCK 8, EAST OF 3rd STREET NE AND WEST OF UNIVERSITY Mr. Boardman indicated that the storm and sanitary sewer lines in the street tirere presently being used by the City of Columbia Heights. He �aid that utility easements would have to be maintained at the time of the vacation. He said the easements tvould involve the north 25 feet of the lot to be vacated. Mr. Sinigalio said that he had been told previous to the meeting the storm and sanitary sewer lines were in use, He said that he still wanted to request the vacation of 1�8th Avenue NE as stated the request, that in PLANNING COMMISSION MPF.TING - MARCH 22, 19?8 Pa�e 2 Chairperson Harris over the easement, over it. Ms. Gabel ivanted to put a driveivay over the utilities. indicated that Mr. Sinigalio could put a driveway but that he couldn't build a permanent structure know vaho would be responsible if Mr. Sinigalio the easement and then the City wanted access to Chairperson Harris said that it would be the homeowners responsibility. Mr. Sinigalio said that he had talked to Mr, Nathan Geurts who vras the adjacent land o�ner. Mr. Geurts had said that he was in agreement with the vacation as long as he could maintain access to his rear yard. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms, Shea, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Vacation Request, SAV #%8-Q1, by Joseph Sinigalio; Vacate �8th Avenue NE (Adjacent to, and South of Lot 16, Block 1, Plymouth Addition; and adjacent to and North of Lot 30, Block 8, Plymouth Addition; East of 3rd Street NE and Plest of University Avenue NE) with the stipulation that utility easements for storm and sanitary sewer lines be =etained. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. 205.051�2�A� TO ALLO�'J A SECQND ACCE3SORY BUILDING� A TUCIi-UNDER GARAGE� TO BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG �NITFi A NE'dJ AOUSE� ZOCATED ON LOT 15, AND THE SOUTHERI,Y 15 FEET OF LOT li�� BLOCK 12� PLYMOUTH ADDITION� THE SAME BEING �600 2nc3 STREET NE. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened at 7:51 P,M. � Mr. Boardman explained that this request for a Special Use Permit was one part of a two-part request. He said that the next request ��as for a Lot Split that would result in two single family lots. He said that there was presently a garage on the property that �vould be incorporated with the construction of the new house and tuck-under garage. Mr, Rolstad indicated that his family had two cars, t�vo pick-up trucks, two boats, four motorcycles, and two lawnmowers� He said that he definitely needed the additianal garage space so he could store everything inside a building instead of in the yard. PLANNING COMMISSION MFETING - MARCH 22. 1978 Pa�e 3 Chairpersan Harris asked what the lot size was. Mr, Boardman said that the entire lot was equivalent to three �0 foot lots. He said they wanted it split into two lots, one 55feet �vide and the other b5 feet vride. Chairperson Harris asked why the corner lot was being proposed for 55 feet wide and the interior lot for 65 feet wide. He felt that the larger lot should be the corner lot. He also �vanted to know why the lot wouldn�t be spiit into t�vo 60 foot lots. Mr. Rolstad said the dividing line present house. that if the interior lot was made any smaller, would be in the middle of the driveway of the Mr. Bergman asked if Mr. Rolstad lived in the existing house. Mr. Rolstad said that he did live in the existing house. He said that he planned to build a new house on the adjoining lot incorporating the existing garage with the proposed house. Mr. Boardman asked if the present driveway vras right up to the proposed 65 foot lot line, Mr. Rolstad said that it tivas. Mr. Boardman asked if it was possible for Mr. Rolstad to have the one lot 56 feet wide and make the lot with the existing house 64 feet wide. Mr, Rolstad said that it probably wouldn�t look that good to the person buying the existing house, but that it would be possible. He said that he wanted to line his new house up with the South side of his garage. � Mr. Boardman said that the house was 26 feet and if he had a 55 foot lot and vrith a ten foot side yard setback� that it would result ivith his being 19 feet from the lot line. He said that he had been granted u.� a variance reducing the setback to 20 feet. He said that Mr. Rolstad would have to make a 56 foot lot to accommodate his plans. Mr. Rolstad said that he would shift the lot line to the North 12 inches, thereby creating a 56 foot wide lot on the corner of 46th Avenue and 2nd 5treet NE. MOTION by Ms. Shea� seconded by Ms. Gabel, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Aearing was closed at 8:06 P,M. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - MARCH 22, 1978 Pa�e 4 MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the Consideration of Request for Special Use.Permit, SP #7$-03, by Harvey D. Rolstad: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205�051,2,A, to allow a second accessory building, a tuck-under garage� to be constructed along with a new house� located o� Lot 15, and the Southerly 16 feet of Lot 14, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, the same being 4�00 2nd Street NE. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. LOT SPLIT REAUEST�_L,S. �78-01, BY HARV�'Y D. ROLSTAD: �rLi•r urr �rr�r; �uu�l�xLxLY i7 r'1:�:�1� Ur' Lo'1' 14, BLOCK 12, PLYMOUTH ADDITION� AND ADD IT TO LOT 15� BLOCK 12� PLYMOUTH ADDITION� TO MAK� A BUILDABL� SINGLE FAMILY LOT� THE SAME BEING 4600 2ND STR��T NE Mr. Bergman asked if there rras any easement problems with this request. Mr. Boardman said that there were no easements necessary. Mr. Bergman pointed out that Mr. Rolstad was in agreement that the Lot Split result in a lot 56 feet tivide and a lot 64 feet wide. MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the Lot Split Request, L.S. #78-01, by Harvey D. Rolstad: Split off the Southerly 16 Feet of Lot 1l�, Block 12, Plymouth Addition� and add it to Lot 15, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, to make a buildable single family lot, the same being 4600 2nd Street N�. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris indicated that both requests that had been made by Mr. Harvey D. Rolstad would go to City Council on April 3v �978. 4. .PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING REAUEST, ZOA #78-01. BY DAVID KRAMBERz H�:GUIV� LU'1'S Zz� z5t 24� BLOCK 6� FRIDLEY PaRK� FROM R-3 (GEN�RALLY MIILTIPLE DIVELLINGS) TO CR-1 (GENERALLY OFFICES AND LIMITED BUSINESSES) TO ALL01V THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING� THE SAME BEING 6503 EAST RIVER ROAD NE 5. VACATION R�9UFST SAV 8-02 BY DAVID KRAM$ER: VACATE THE 12 FOOT UNIMPROVED ALL�Y IN BLOCK � FRIDLEY PARK� 500 BLOCK ON THE EAST SID� OF EAST RIV�R ROAD). Chairperson FIarris said that Mr. David Kramber had withdra�m his requests. He read the letter to the Commission and the audience that stated that Mr. Kramber felt that the costs involved in developing the property were too prohibitive. MOTION by ris, Shea, seconded by Mr, Bergman, that the letter from Mr. David Kramber be received by the Planning Commission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. PLANNING COMMISSION M�ETING - MARCH 22, 1978 Pa�e 5 Mr. Charles Langer of 653� Iiickory Street NE said that whem he purchased his house, he had been assured that the area was zoned residential. He wanted to knotiv if the City of Fridley would actually consider making the lot in question commercial. Chairperson Harris said that a petitioner could make the request. He said thai the. Planning Commission :vould take the input from the Staff� surroundin� neighbors, and their own input and use the data in their consideration of the request. He pointed out that it was very difficuZt to rezone property in the City of Fridley. Mr. Langer asked if the Commission vaould consider tne request. He asked if they would abandon the plan for the City. Mr. Langenfeld said that the property was presently zoned R-3 and that it couldn't be rezoned until a hearing took place before the Planning Commission. Ae said that at that point in time all the people involved �vould again be ttotified, Mr. Langer wanted to knoeJ how the adjacent neighbors could control the rezoning. Chairperson Harris said that it �as the perrogative of any property owner to petition for a rezoning. He said that whether it vras rezoned or not lvas another matter. Another neighbor in the audience wanted to know if the alley vacation could be requested �vithout rezoning the lots. • Chairperson Harris said that it could be vacated if someone made the request. He said that someone vaould have to formally request the alley vacation before the planning Commission could do anything. 6. RECEIVE AMENDFD PARK AND OPEN SPACE FLl1N Mr. Dennis L. Schneider, Councilmember; and Mr. Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director vrere present at the meeting regarding the amended Park and Open Space Plan. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld; seconded by Ms. Gabel� that the Planning Commission receive the amended Park and Open Space Plan. Mr. Boardman said that after the Plan vras reviewed� Staff re- evaluated some of the statements that had been made� looked at comments that had been made by the P2anning Commission, and they amended the Plan so that it ivas in a more ivorkable order. He said that the Introduction rras changed to reflect some recommendations that had been made. He said that the Goals and Objectives lvas changed so that there i��ere seven objectives instead of five� as per a recommendation by the Planning Commission. He said that the ty�o objectives added were 4)Provide proper coriservation and management for . natural, open-space areas; and 5) Ensure proper management of park and recreation programs. rieuviv�.ivv uvriruu..�iv1v 1•w:S111Y1i — Mklt{O11 GG iv/t5 Pa�e Mr, Boardman said that the Inventory and Analysis section would still be amended. somev�hat. He said that instead of putting the Citizen Iiiput first, they would put �xi�tin� Park System first, Facility Inventory, Recreation Program Invenbory, Regional Park Facilities, Needs and Desires of the Community, the Citizen Input� the Breakdotivn of the Neighborhoods, The Neighborhood Survey Information, Neighborhood maps caould then be included, Neighborhood Input, and then Recommendations on Park Facilities. Mr. Boardman said that some rewriting �vas done on the Regional Parks Facilities section to make the content more apprnpriate with the Plan. Mr, Boardman said that the Neighborhood Mags had the breakdown of the population for the different neighborhoods. Mr. Boardman said that a reivrite ti�ras done on the Summary of Findings Section of the Park and Open Space Plan. Ae said that the revrrite was done in order to take into consideration alI the concerns of the Planning Commission. He said that it was amend"ed . somev�hat with the proper Summary of Findings under the proper objective. Mr. Boarclman said that in the Policies and Recommendations Section Objective 1, Policies 1& 2, sti11 didn't have a complete reHrite. He said that there vras a complete reNrrite on all the other Objectives, Recommendations and Policies. Mr. Boardman said tha� under the Object3.ves, the Policies were based on the Summary of Findings. He said they vrere grouped under the Policies and all the recommendations rrere relating to the Summary of Findings. Mr. Boardman said that at the end of the Section on Policies and Recommendations there tivill be a map of the proposed park system. Mr. Boudreau said that he felt the Amended Parks and Open Space �vould be a very �aorkable Plan. Ae said it was a very ivorkable document to guide the development of a Park System in the City Fridley over the next five years. He said that the Plan �vould most likely be constantly updated and he felt the verbage in document rras such that . flexibility would be allowed. Plan of the Mr. Boudreau said that it would result in an interacting system of Park development that ivould include all the opportunities that are offered in the City of Fridley. Chairperson Harris asked how much money would be needed to implement the Plan. Mr. Boudreau estimated that to implement the Total Plan including a Fridley Recreation Building, would be ten million dollars over five years. . _. � PLANNING COMMISSION MPPTING - MARCH 22, 197$ Pa�e 7 Mr, Boudreau said that he thought to accomplish what was in the amended Parks and Open Space Plar. with needed programs and facilities to service.all the people in Fridley that the cost would be in the ten million dollar area. He said he wasn't sure how much of that amount could come from Grants, State, Federal, Local Governments, etc. He said that Fridley could get by spending a lot less,or a lot more. It would depend on what the people of Fridley wanted. Mr. Schneider �vanted to know approximately what percentage of that dollar figure �vould come from grants or government funding. Mr. Boardman said that if a Fridley Recreation Building was to be included that there was no recreational grants available to construct buildings, fIe said that Fridley vrould have to consider ways to raise money for that Building,_ He said that the building alone would probably cosb between 1& 1� million dollars, Mr. Boardman said that the rest of the construction probably vrouldn�t get a lot of grants either. He said that possibly to complete the park system, Fridley could get some acquisition grants, He said that the normal day-to-day activities in the park facilities to make them more useful will most likely have to come from the local "pockets��, Mr. Boardman said that some of the changes could be made more on a budget-type operation. He said the changes could be made gradually over a period of years. He said that what was to be looked at was a document that v�ill give the direction to go over that period of years. Mr. Boudreau said that the estimated dollar figure was based on the fact that there would be a Fridley Recreation Complex that would service all age groups and allow for the various activities that are usually conducted at a Recreation Center. He said that the land, the building, and the fu11 development of the building would probably make up half of the ten million dollar figure. Mr. Boudreau indicated that such things as the watering systems, rest room facilities, and the needed shelter buildings of the community parks �ould require approximately 50-60 thousand dollars each. Mr. Boudreau said that the Plan was also considering Land Acquisition and he felt that at the cost of land today� it �ouldn't take long to add up to many thousands dollars. Mr. Boardman felt that approximately three million dollars of that total amount could be obtained through Grants over the five year period. Mr. Boudreau said that he felt about 60'� of the money �vould be from State fundings. He said that it would be for land acquisitions, bikeway/ vralkway trails� etc. PLANPdING COMMISSION MF.ETING - P4ARCH 22. 1978 Pa�e 8° Mr. Bergman asked what the dollar impact would be of completing this Document in detail. He said including land acquisition, buildings, equipment, but exclusive of the maintenance that would be involved. Mr, Boudreau said that if Fridley wanted the ��ultimate�' that the Plan could allov�, it could be up to ten million dollars. He said that the flexibility of the Plan aIso would allow as little as they desired, He said that the Parks and Open Space Plan had the flexibility and the guidelines. He said that the cost would be entirely dependent on what the citizens of'Fridley wanted. Mr. Bergman said that the Document was an ambitious plan as so defined, Mr. Langenfeld said that the Planning Commission was not approving a funding proposition. He said that they were only approving a document. Mr. Bergman said that he had heard that this Plan to be implemented could cost ten million dollars. He said that 60% could come from different Grants. He wanted to know where the 40� would come from. Mr. Boardman said that the document was not a money document. He said that it really didn't have a dollar and cents sign. He said that Mr, Boudreau had mentioned the dollar figure and that may be the type of system needed to develop the Plan which would satisfy the needs of the residents of the City of Fridley. Mr. Boardman also pointed out that Mr. Boudreau mentioned that this document could be placed in the Standard Budgets and the completion of the document could be limited. Mr. Boardman said that the Plan leaves it open as to the direction that Fridley can go with the Plan. Mr. Bergman still evanted to know where the other 40� �vould come from. Mr. Boudreau said it could be a Bond Issue, if the citizens so desired. Mr. I,angenfeld said that the Parks and Open Space Plan tivas a guide� a source of direction. He said that it would not be a fixed document, Chairperson Harris asked if Mr. Boudreau felt that from �vorking in the Community if he felt the average age of the City of Fridley was getting older. Mr. Boudreau said that the average age in Fridley was getting older. He said that the recreation program in the City was being atuned to take care of that older average age. Chairperson Harris asked if there was enough flexibility allowed in the Plan to take that into consideration. He asked if the City of Fridley 1�as overloaded with �'tot lot�� type parks. �LAtINING COMMISSION MEETIDIG - MARCH 22, 1978 Pa�e 9 Mr, Boudreau said that in actuality the City was overloaded with "tot lots�'. He.said that the City had many parks that won�t accommodate anything more than ��tot lot" type parks. Mr. Boudreau said that the Plan did not tie the City into anything permanent. Ae said that there was a flexibility built into the proposed facilities so that it could be adapted to the changing needs o£ the Cammunity. 'He said that the Plan says to put character into the parks such as landscaping because the trees wi11 grovr as the children grow. Mr, Bergman referenced page 5 of the Inventory and Analysis Section of the amended Parks & Open Space•Plan, He wanted to know if there would be a map of the Neighborhood Boundaries and a comparison of area and population per neighborhood. Mr. Boardman said that the maps would be included, Mr. Bergman i�ranted to know if the neighborhood sizing vaould be the same as the last time the Planning Commission savr the maps. Mr. Boardman said that they �vould be the same for now. He said that a survey was to be conducted this summer and if the survery reflects a change� then a change vaould be placed in the documents sho�ving the neighborhoods as decided from the new survey. Mr. Bergman said that Community Development indicated that ��rhile the guidelines for the neighborhood identifications are equal population by type and amount, equal areas and natural boundaries; that the delineation of the neighborhoods as they exist in the Parks and Open Space Plan are in drastic conflict with those guidelines to the extent that one neighborhood (13) is equal to,in size, five other neighborhoods - far from equality. Is equal in population to four or five other neighborhood total - far from equality. He said the identification of neighborhoods should be made more equal by the guidelines that were the criteria. Mr. Boardman said that population was not a criteria of the guidelines, Mr. Bergman felt that population should be a criteria. Ms, Gabel said that population was not necessarily a realistic criteria for establishing neighborhood groups, Mr, Langenfeld said that if it meets the needs of the area, then population was insignificani, Mr. Boudreau said that to look at the Total Plan and keep �vithin a System he took the input from the neighborhoods as rrhat that area Nanted to see in the total Park System. Mr. Bergman said that there �vas unequal representation. PLANNING COMMISSION T4E�TING - MARCH 22 1978 PaKe 10 Mr. Boudreau said that the neighborhoods were merely input areas. He said that population did play a part of it because they want to knotiv the characteristics of that population, but only for the purposes of �rhere will they get the majority using an activity or a facility, He said it vrould not indicate what that particular neighborhood wants for iheir neighborhood, but what vras needed for the total park system. Mr. Bergman wanted to knovr why neighborhoods were needed. Chairperson Harris said they vrere needed to gather and dicseminate information. � Chairperson Harris asked how the proposed facilities were going to be adaptable to lvinter activities. Mr. Boudreau said that it was up to the citizens of Fridley as to what types of prograats they �ranted, He said that one of the main reasons a Fridley Recreation Building was needed was to accommodate more of the people, more of the time. Chairperson Harris asked if the planned layout of the general facilities would be adaptable for use in the vrinter as well as in the summer. Mr. Boardman said that berming vrould be used as a division of areas. He said that the berming that tivould take place tivould not interfere with the open field activities. He said they would be put in as buffering devices between active and passive areas, Mr. Boudreau said that each park would have a site plan that ivould enable them to visually see how each planned area v�ould work and how they could develop the area for maximum usage. Mr. Boudreau said that Objective t was probably the��isecret" of the ti��hole document, "be sensitive to the site amenities.. and provide the flexibility into the planning so the facility can be utilized year around". He said that the Plan did allow for that objective by 1) recommending site plans; 2) recommending citizen input; and 3) tvhat activities that vrill be at that facility. Chairperson Harris asked ��rhat �vould happen to the undeveloped park properties located in the City. Mr. Boudreau said that some park properties would be sold. Iie said that, in the System, there was no useful purpose for some properties designated as Park property. .�. PLAr1�1ING COMP�ISSION riPrTING - ME1?2CII ?_?_, 1978 Pa�e 11 � Mr, Bergman said that generally speaking the Parks and Open Space Plan tivas a fine planning document, He said that there had been a lot af effort expended on the Plan and as a plan much innoyative thoughts have gone into it. He said that in some cases the Policies do not define the means that wi11 or will noi be used to achieve the objectives. Ms. Gabel said that it was not always known what those means vaould be. Mr. Bergman said that by definition it said that policy defines the means that Evill or v�ill not be used to achieve the objectives, He said that if that vras the ��ay the Plan �vas being developed then we should be able to establish the objectives and the policies needed to enforce the method of achieving the objective. He said that some did not tie in that way. Mr, Boardman explained hovJ the statements made in the Plan were arrived at. Mr. Bergman suggested that soneone re-read the policies to check that they are policy statements and that they relate to the objeetives. Ms. Gabel asked vrhat the Planning Commission's goal was on March 22, 1978. Mr. Boardman said that they snould discuss the amended Parks and Open Space Plan. He said that he tiranted the Planning Commission to recommend that the Plan have a Public Hearing so that the document can be presented to the people. Mr. Langenfeld asked vrhen the Public Hearing �vas being planned for. Mr. Boardman said that it would be at the April 5, 1g78, meeting, He indicated the people that ��ould be notified of the Public Hearing, Mr. Baudreau said that they not only were coordinating ��ith the other facilities in the City such as private parks and school systems, but they also coordinate vrith thecommercial activities available in the City of rridley, UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Amended Parks and Open Space Elan i��as received at 10:06 P.M. Ms. Gabel said that the Parks and Open Space Plan vras a"Super" plan and she hoped that all the monies could be obtained for it. Mr. Bourdreau said that it �first had to be decided by the citizens of Fridley exactly rJhat level of the Plan they want. He felt that the City of Fridley deserved� ti�ranted, and needed the ultimate plan. PLANNING COMMISSION MEPTING - MARCH 22 1978 Pa�e 12 MOTION by Mr. Bergman� seconded by Ms. Gabel, that Staff finalize the Parks and Open Space Plan as presented and discussed and establish a Public Hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 7. R�GF.IV� PARK6 & R�CREATION COMMISS7�N MTnrrTmF�• MOTION by Ms. Shea� receive the minutes Commission meeting. carried unanimously. � seconded by Ms. Gabel� that the Planning Commission of the February 27� 19�8� Parks and Recreation Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Ber�rian, that the Planning Commission receive the March 2, 1978, minutes of the Human Resources Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 9. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES• MARCH 1� 1978 MOTIOPi by P4s. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission receive the Appeals Commission minutes of March 14� 19'78. Chairperson Harris questioned the s�ated hardship in some of the items handled at thzt meeting. Ms. Gabel said that the actual hardship was that the people living in the buildings had no other feasible place to park,other than the front yards. She said that since the City was resurfacing the streets, the owners of the buildings were being informed that they had to get a variance to park in the front yards. Mr. Boardman said that Staff had to indicate exactly what the people say tivhen asked 1�rhat their hardship ivas. UPON A VOICE VOTE? all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 10. OTHER BUSIIV�SS A. Mr. Langenfeld reminded the other Commission members that the Hyde Park general meeting would be held on March 29, �978. Mr. Boardman said that a general meeting vrith the residents of the Hyde Park area would be held on March 29, �978. He said that from there, the issue would go to the Planning Commission with recommendations for zoning and recommendations for approval of an overall plan for development, �LANNING COMMISSION M�^PING - MAP.CII 22_, 1978 PaPe 13 B. LTI�RGY COMMISSION Mr. Bergman said that at the previous meeting the members had asked to come up v+ith names of citizene to serve on an Energy Commission. He said that a citizen he vJanted to suggest wNas Ben �ti�rers. He said that Mr. �rrers ivas an employee of NSP and was interested in serving on an Energy Commis�ion. Mr, Langenfeld said that a Statement of I'act was necessary. He also felt that the Fnergy issue should be broken dovm into cata�ories such as conservation, education� etc. Chairperson Harris asked that the Energy issue be put.on the Agenda for April 5� 1978. He felt that the other members of the Commission should have had time to give this item some consideration. Mr. Bergman said that it r+ould be interesting to establish what �vould be expected from the Energy Commission as Lrell as establishing the guidelines. C. Ms. Shea said that the March 22� 1Q78� meeting l^�as her Zast meeting, She said that she had been on the Commission for ttivo years and had learned much. One thing Ms. Shea commented on tivas the fact that the Agendas were received by the members of the Commission on Friday previous to the Planning Comr�ission meetings and she felt it �vas very important for the member s of the Commission to either look at the property being discussed or at least find out about the property. She felt that very often questions were asked of the petitioner that shouldn�t have to be.asked if the members had done proper preparing for the meeting. Ms. Shea said that the Planning Commission al.ways oo through the minutes of the meetings page-by-page� vrhen all the members have already read the minutes. She many times had gotten the feeling that the members of the Commission don�t even read the documents until they arrive at the meeting. Ms, Shea said that the members spend a lot of time on the Commission tiaith very little thanks from the City. She said she had been thinking at Christmas time hotv nice it 1vould have been if the City ivould have taken the Planning Commission members and spouses out to dinner. She felt that City really did not appreciaie ��rhat the members of the Planning Commission were doing. been he Ms, Shea said that generally serving on the Commission had been a good experience for her, PLI�NPIING COP4htISSION MPPTING - MARCH Z2, 1978 Pa* e� 4 Ms. Shea also didn�t like the fact that many times all the Commissions ti�rere not represented. She felt that the Commission members should take a more responsible attitude toti�rards their commitment. Chairperson Harris commented on the statement by Ms. Shea regarding the "unnecessary" questions. He said that there was t1ro possible answers to the comment: a)��Maybe if you ask a stupid question, you may avoid a stupid mistake�'; b) Asking questions ��as a vehicle used by certain Attorneys for gettin� certain points they want to make put into the record. Chairperson Iiarris said that the Commission enjoyed having Ms. Shea as a member and he wished that she would continue. Mr. Langenfeld said that he also enjoyed vrorking with her on the Planning Commission. D. Mr. Boardman said that there would be an upcoming discussion at the Planning Commission level as to what the functions of the Commissions ti�rere; E. Mr. Langenfeld a�reed that very fevt people appreciated ho�+r hard the Commissions worked. - ... , Mr. Bergman felt that a recognition dinner would definitely be in order. ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld� seconded by Ms. Shea� to adjourn the March 2z, 1978, planning Commission meeting. 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