PL 09/13/1978 - 6640City of Fridley ,
A6ENDA
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 1978
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: AU6UST 23> 1978
1. DISCUSSION AND COh�IENTS ON VILLAGE GREEN PROPOSRL
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2.- RECEIVE AND DISCUSS PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205,
ZONING COOE
3. RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES:
A 6UST 5, 197
4. RECEIVE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
Al16UST 28, 197$
5. O7HER BUSINESS:
ADJ011RNMENT:
7:30 P.M.
PA6ES
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MEETING
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CITY OF FRIISLEY
PLANNSNG COMMISSION MEETING - AUGUST 23, 1978
CALL TO ORDER:
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Chairperson Harris called the August 23, 1978, Planning Coumission
meeting to order at 7:40 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: &fchard Harris, Virginia Schnab��, Bob Peterson
Bruce Peterson, Connie Modig, �ed Storla
Members Absent: James Langenfeld (Bruce Peterson representing),
LeRoy Oqufst (Connie Modig representin�) •
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPROVE Pi.AP1NING COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 9, 1978:
MOTIUN by Virginia Schnabel, seconded by Bob Peterson, to approve the
August 9, 1978> Planning Commission minutes as written.
Mr. Bruce Peterson stated that on page 9 of the minutes, last paragraph,
regarding Mr. Langenfeld's motion to rec�end denial of request by
Woodcrest Baptist Church to use Locke Park Soccer Eield, Mr. Langenfeld
wanted to indicate that his strong opposition was not church versus
state, but the fact that the prime time was being taken away from the
citizens. Private organizations should pay their share and be a part
of the first-come, first-serve basis.
Mr. Harris stated that the City Council did not approve the re'quest
by Woodcrest BapCist Church for useof the Locke Park Soccer Field. It
was on a first-come, first-serve basis.
Mr, BQardman stated that Mr. Boudreau, Parks � Recreation Director,
was vorking up a fee schedule to submit to the City Manager for
compensation for use of faci�.ities.
Mr. Harris stated that city programs took priority, but at other times,
it was a first-come, firs[-serve basis.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRlfAN NA�TS �CLARED THE MOTICIN
CARR]ED UNANIMOUSLY.
PLANNlNG COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 23 1978 - P�� 2
1. CONTINUED: DISCUSSION ON E'PIERGY PROJECT COMPfITTSE:
A. Potential Members of EnerRy Project Committee:
Mr. Aarrfs stated that, as the Coumisslon could see, they had only
two resumes from two 8pplicants for the Energy Project Committee.
He stated the resume from Mr. Sharton was very impressive.
Ms. Schnabel asked how the Planning Commission was going to go
about finding more members2
Mr. Harrisstated the next step was probably soliciting in tha
coumiani ty .
Mr. Bob Peterson stated that when the Parks & Recreation Commission
was setting np citizen co�zttees far the park areas, they Had
found it very beneficial to go to the Planning Co�ission, City
Council, and the member commissions asking them to list names of
citizens who would be interested in serving on these c�ittees.
From those sources, they had gotten well over 170 names. He stated
that might not be a bad procedure at this point.
Mr. Boardman stated that the Planning Co�ission could submit a
formal request to the City Council asking for aid in getting
members for the Energy l'roject Committee.
Mr. Bruce Peterson asked if the city had a list of peopl'e who had
submitted resumes indicating an interest in serving on coucnissions
or coumuttees?
Mr. Boardman stated that the list was very meager at this point ia
time. Yeriodically, the city asked for volunteers through the
city newsletter, but there was little response.
Mr. Harris stated that the Planning Commission could do as
Mr. Peterson suggested--request help fram the City Council and
the other coomissions.
Ms. Schnabel asked if there would be any interest through the
Chamber of Commerce?
Mr. Harris stated he was surprised that there had been no response
from the service organizations.
Mr. Bob Peterson stated that he knew from experience with the
' Chamber of Commerce and the Rotary Club, if you wanted to get their
interest, you had to address them directly or conmunlcate directly
with them. .
Ms. Schnabel also suggested contacting the League of Women Voters
and the Fridley Women's Club.
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PLANNLNG COt�ASISS20N MEHTING AUGUST 23 1978 - PAGE 3
Mr. Boardman asked what the Co�ission's timetable was for the
Hnergy Project Committee?
Mr. Harris stated he would Like to start holding organizational
meetings no later than December lst. They had originally intended
ataffing by September lst.
MOTION by Bob Peterson, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to staff the
Energy Project Committee at the Planning Commission meeting on
October 4, 1978.
Ms. Schnabel stated that Mr. Anderson and Mr. Wharton, who had .
submitted resumes, should be contacted to tell them what the Planning
Co�ission was doing, that the Planning Co�ission appreciated their
interest and wanted them to continue their interest, and that the
Planning Co�ission would be making their decision at their October 4th
meeting.
Mr. Boardman stated he would write letters to Mr. Anderson and
Mr. Wharton.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE,C�iA7R4tAN HARKIS.DECLARED.THE MOT7DN
CARR]ED UNAN7MOUSLY.
2. DISCUSSION ON WORK LOAD SCHEDULE:
Mr. Boardman stated he had been trying to get something done on the work
load schedule, but he had been working on the Zoning Code. He stated
that the Planning Commission would have the Zoning Code for review at
their next meeting.
3. RECEIVE SPECIAL ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINIITES: JULY 27, 197_8:
MOTION by Bob Peterson, seconded by Bruce Peteraon, to receive the
duly 27, 1978, Special Environmental Quality Co�ission minutes.
Mr. Bruce Peterson stated that the Environmental Quality Commission was
in'the process of preparing, with Mr. Ray Leek, a position paper in
regard to the MnDOT Plan.
Mr. Bruce Peterson stated that it was the Environmental Quality
Commission's concern that there were so many unanswered questions in
the Plan, that it was difficult to make a position. In reviewing the
minutes, the Planning Commission would notice that there were a number
of basic questions that were unanswered in the Plan. Before the Environ-
mental Quality Commission could make a good input to the State on the
MnDOT Plan, the Coumission needed to have some of those questions answered.
Mr. Harris asked if the improvements to the Anoka County Airport were
going to be made?
Mr. Bruce Petereon stated that the upgra$ing was scheduled, This was
another question Che Commission had: What type of upgrading was going
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to be done and what type of aircraft was it going to he able to handleY
The budget figure was $b00,000, which, he felt, was not a lot of money
for conatruction.
Mr. Boardman stated that the Anoka County Airport was designed as an
intermediate airport. It only needed one more runway. The whole
airport situation, as it was now, could handle intermediate ai.r traffic.
Mr. Bob Peterson stated they would also have to upgrade the tower
facilities and expand the hours of manning the tower as the tower was
only manned on weekends at the present time.
Mr. Bruce Peterson stated these were the Commission's concerns, because
these things were not stated in the MnDOT Plan.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, THE MOTIOIIT CARRIED UNANLMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE HiJMAN RESOURCES C�AIISSION MCNUTCS: AUGUST 1, 1978:
MOTION by Ned Storla, seconded by Connie Modig, to receive the -
August 1, 1978, Human Resources Coummission minutes. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
5. RECEIVE COMMCJNITY DEITELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 8, 1978:
MOTION by Bruce Peterson, seconded by Connie Modig, to receive the
August 8, 1978> C�unity Development Commission minutes: lfpon a voice
vote, all voting aye,Chairman Harris declar.ed the motion carried unanimously.
6. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES; AUGUST 15, 1978:
A. Item 2, Variaaces for 534 Fairmonb St. N.E. have to go through
Planning Conm�ission to the City Council because of objection
of neighbor. Recoum�ended for approval by Appeals Commission.
MOTION by Virginia Schnabel, seconded by Bob Peterson, to receive
the August 15, 1978, Appeals Covm�ission minutes.
Mr. Harris asked what action should be taken on the item listed
above?
Ms. Schnabel stated that it needed no action unless the Planning
Commission wished to take action.
Mr. Boardman stated the item was singled out because of the
objection of the neighbor.
Mr. Harris state.d that with all the property in the city being
built on, he was sure they would be seeing more and more situations
like this. People were trying to stuff houses on everything that
existed, no matter what size.
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PLANNING COA4-IISSI�N MEETING AUGUST 23 1978 PAGE 5
Mr. Aarris asked Mr. Boardman what had happened with the situation
of the 40-foot lotsT
Mr. Boardman stated that Mr. Gordon Hedlund had filed a suit with
the city. The City was putting together a hiatory of 40-foot lots
€or that case.
Ms. Schnabel stated that it was true that in that particular area,
in the past they had permitted construction on lots less than 7500 ft.,
but had never gone down to a 40-foot lot.
Mr. Harris stated that what was important was how the city was
taxing 40-foot loCS at the time the permits were applied for. If
the city was, in fact, taxing them as buildable sites, the city
could have difficulty with that. If the city was only taxing the
lots at a naninal amount, then the city had a pretty strong case.
Mr. Boardman stated that, as £ar as he knew, the city was not taxing
them as buildable sites.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would like to know when the above mentioned
court case was going Co be heard, because it would be interesting to
attend. She asked Mr. Boardman if he could inform the Planning
Commission members of the date.
Mr. Boardman stated that he would find out and notify the Planning
Commission members.
Mr. Harris stated this was probably a good thing, 6ecause it would
clear the air once and for all on 40-foot lots.
UPOR A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE,CHA7RMAN HARRTS DECLARED THE MOT7DI3
CARR�D UNAN]MOi3SLY.
7. OTHER BUSINESS:
A.
MOTION by Boh Peterson, seconded by Ned Storla, to receive the
Management Plan for the Village Green from the Canadian Financial
Corpoxation.
Mr. Boardman stated that if the Commisaioners had any questions or
concerns after going through the plan, they should bring those
concerns to the City Council. The City Gouncil would be reviewing
the Management Plan on September 25 at their conference meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTfi, ALL VOTING AYE, CHA ]RMAN iL11tR 7S DECLARED THE MOT 70N
CARR3ED UNAN]MOUSLY.
PLAN[3ING COMt�fiSSION MEETING, AUGQST 23, 1978 - PAGE 6
B. Innsbruck North:
MOTION by Bruce Peterson, seconded by Connie Modig, to receive a
letter to A. L. Messerli from Joseph plexander of the D.N.R.
Mr. Harris stated he wished Mr. Alexander could come and take a look
at the area now. If there was anything left there, it would be a
miracle.
Mr. Boardman stated that the City Council had put a moratorium
on the lots for two weeks until th� response was received.
Mr. Bruce Peterson stated he was concerned about that area, because
he thought there were already problems from improper dredging and
` basement problems.
Mr. Harris stated he had a discussion with Mr. Boardman and other
staff inembers to see if they could put some kind of attachment on
the records telling people who bought the property, when they came
through with the title search, the condition of the property. He
felt the peaple were entitled to that information.
Mr. Bob Peterson wanted to know why Fridley did not have '�ruth
in Aousing" in its Building Code.
Mr. Boardman stated that because of the involvement with the Housing
Maintenance Code, the Planning Covm�ission and the City Council had
reco�ended not to get into that situation at this time. The Planning
Commission had wanted to see how the systematic multiple Housing
Maintenance Code worked before they got involved in single family
maintenance.
Mr. Aarris stated that, in any case, he really felt that, although
the subsoil may have settled enough for the structure sites, the
houses on West Danube were bound to have problems with surrounding
yards and aettling driveways.
Mr. Boardman stated that he too was surprised that [hey were only
required to "muck" out for the house foundation. That may be one
of the reasons why [here were basement problems.
Ms. Schnabel stated that she thought the city had to take a good look
at this situation, because wasn't the city going to be faced with
people coming back at some future time saying the �tey errored in
permitting this area to be Ei11edY
Mr. Boardman stated that the city had to rely somewhat on the
professiona7.s. When an engineering fixm came to the city and said
they would do the work and the work was guaranteed, then why sho�ldn't
the city issue the permit?
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Mr. Bob Peterson asked who was going to be liable seven years down
the line--the engineering firm or the city? .
Mr. Boardman stated that if it came back to the city, the city
would go back to the engineering firm.
Mr. Harris stated that he really thought that the people who bought
the home, not even the first owners, but 3-5 years down the Line,
should be made aware of the situation under which the house was �
constructed and the area surrounding the property. He thought it
was the city's responsibility to inform them. He did not know of
any other way, but with an attachment on the title search.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYB,CHA7RMAN HARR 15 DECLARGD THE MOTION
CAAR7ED UNAN7MOUSLY.
MOTION by Virginia Schnabel, seconded by Bob Peterson, that the
Planning Commission reco�end to City Council that on the specific
Lots in question in Innsbruck North, as well as on future are3
problem developments in the city that might occur, that an attachment
to the deed be required so that the buyer of a specific property,
such as in the wetlands area, be made aware of the circumstances
of the condition of the building site.
Mr. Bruce Peterson asked how the city would define probLem areas?
Couldn't they just stay as "any additional new housing"? There were
going to be borderline cases.
Mr.��Iarris stated that would be left to the discretion of the
building department.
Mr. Bob Peterson stated that the citizenry would be concerned, and
when they felt there was a problem, they would come to the city.
iIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE, CHA ]RMAN HARR 1S DECLARED°.'THE MOT ION
CARR7ED UNAN7MOUSLY.
ADJOURNMENT •
MOTION by Bob P eterson, seconded by Ned Storla, t¢.Sdjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice Yote, all voting aye,.Chairman Harris dec�,ared;the Planning
Commission meeting of August 23, 1978 adjourned at 8:45 P.M,
Respectfully subm'tted,
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&ecording Secretary .
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ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMSSSION
MEETING
AUGUST 15, 1978
MEMBERS PR�SnNT: James Langenfeld, Bruce Peterson, Lee Ann Sporre,
Connie Metcalf, Dave Sabistina
MEMBERS ABSENT: tdone
OTHERS PRESENT: Ray Leek, Planning Aide
Carl Paulson, 430 - 57th Place
Jack Ditmore, Research Director, Minnesota Water Planning Boazd
CALL TO ORDER: '
Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m.
APPRQVAL OF JULY 18 1978, ENViRONMENTAL QUALITY COf'AIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Lee �nn Sporre, secoaded by Connie Metcalf, to appreve Che
minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried.
unanimously.
APPROVAL OF JUf.Y 27, 1978 SPECIAL ENVSRONI'iENTAL QUALITY COhAIISSION MiTNTBS:
MOTIdN by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce.Peterson, to approve Che
minutes as written.
Ms. Sporre stated that on page 7, the last paragraph stated that, in effect,
the Commissioners would draw together a policy statement. She would
recoum�end that it was the Co�nission's position to respond to a staff s:ate-
ment utilizing the items discussed by the Coumission members and their
recommendations, rather than the Covanissioners developing that statement.
The Commission members concurred with Ms. Sporxe's recoffmendation.
Ms. Langenfeld asked Ms. Sporre to clarify her statement regarding the
Anoka County Airport on page 3, second paragraph, last sentence: "But, it
seemed to her, by addir.g the services, it was going to be able to function
as Twin Cities International. now functioned." Dfr. Langenfeld stated he
wanted Co know what Ms. Sporre meant by the words, "nota functioned".
Ms. Sporre explained, that, according to FederaL regulations, ii an airport
was capable of handling tliat kind of air traffic, they did not have the
right to deny landing. It could be a policy decision if the airport was
brought up ta thaC kind of capability to then serve that kind of air traffic
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CONIl�ffSSION MEETING AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 2
function. 'The upgrading o£ the Anoka County Airpore would remove the
airport's right to deny landing under the Federal Aviation guidelines.
What was already there implied that adding the services would increase
the'activity to that of Twin Cities International.
Mr. Peterson stated that just by adding certain services did not make the
airport the same classification as Twin CiCies International. The Canmission
did not know exactly what facilities were going to be added and if the
airport would be able to land 747's and DC 10's there. He thought that
should be clarified, and he believed the Comsission should ask for a report
from Mr. Moravetz. :
Mr. Leek stated that, as the Commission knew, Mr. Clyde Moravetz was the
official liaison to meetings held, speciffcally at Metropolitan Council,
or other oEficial governmental bodies involved in the consideration of
upgrading the Anoka County Airport. Mr. Moravetz had not received any
notification of any meeting of that sort since May. Mr. Moravetz had
stated that when he did receive notification of such a meeting, he wouZd
forward notification on to Mr. Leek and would also give a report to Mr. Leek
of that meeting to be passed on to the Environmental Quality Commission.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, �T.L VOTING AYB: THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MIN[JTES AS
WRITTEN CARItIED UN,ANIMOUSLY.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
The following Ytems were added to the agenda:
JACK DITMORE, GUEST SPEAKER, WATER FLANIVING BOARD--WATER MA.NAGEMENT
CI�CKLIST - Item �2
REQUEST FROM MINNE$OTA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY BOARD FOR CITIZEN INPUT -
Item A under I.tem dk5, "Environmental Education"
REPORT ON "HEALTfi EFFECTS OF AIR POLLUTION" - Item B under Item �5,
"Environmental Education"
CONFE1tENCE ON LAKE RESTORATION - Item C under Item #5, "Enviranmental
Sducation°
INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDTNANCE AND NATURAL RESOURCE ORDINANCES -
Item A under Item �9, "Other Business"
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Dave Sabistina, to approve the
agenda as amended. Upon a voice vote, aZl voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
ENVIRONMENTAL pUALSTY COMMiSSION MEETZNG AUGUST 15 1978 - PAGE 3
1. CA_RL PAULSON,_430 - 57th PLACE, PRESENTATTON RE: ITCMS OF
Mr. Langenfeld stated that Mr. Paulson had called him about environmental
concerns. Mr. Langenfeld had suggested L-hal• Mr. Paulson come before the
Commission and express his views on how the Commission might or might not
be able to assist him. His comments would become part of L'he record to go
on Co Planning Covmission and then on to City Council.
Mr. Paulson stated that the first item was in regard to the gasoline station
(Super America) which was to go in on 57th.and University. He stated he had -
gotten calls and complainCS from people who objected to the station and
especially to the station being open all night. Mr. Paulson stated that the
Planning Commission had voted in their favor, but the City Council had felt
that on a legal basis, it was thei.r obligation Co a11ow the station because
of the zoning, but they set the time limit for closing at 11:00 p.m.
Mr, Paulson stated that another matter had come up now regarding the station
and that was that the company now realized that, because of the amounC of
land and the way the divider came in on Che east on 57th Ave., it'did not
allow for cars to get back on to University Ave. Someone was proposing that
the service road that ended up on 57th Ave. be rerouted around the apartment
building that faced 4th St. This would cause traffic on three sides of that
apartment building. The apartmenC building was directly adjacent to the
gasoline station property, Envixonmentally, he felt it was unfair to the
owner of the building, and he would be absolutely against it.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the environmental aspects involved were the
traffic that could be a hindrance to the residents and the possible noise
pollution. He asked Mr. Paulson if Mr. Paulson wished the Co�ission to
take any specific action as a group.
Mr. Paulson stated that the matter was dormant at this L-ime; from his under-
standing, the campany was not going to build until next spring. He did not
know if this was correct; but when the old station was dismantled, appsrently
rats fram the old station got into the apartment building. The owner of
the building got professionals in right away to ex.terminate.
MOTION BY CONNIE METCALF, SECONDED BY LEE ANN SPORRE, TQ RECEIVE A LETTER
FROM CARL P,4IlLS0:V TO THE CITY MANAGER DATED 7/31/78 l�ND A MEMO FROM
PETER FLEMING DATED 8/8/78 RE A TELEPHONE CALL FROM MR. PAULSON, RRGARDING
AN OIL SPILL.
Ms. Sporre asked Mr. Paulson who the staff person was referred to in the
letter.
Mr. Paulson stated the staff person in question was the City's Environmental
Officer, Mr. Steve Olson.
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Ms. Sporre stated that in his letter to Mr. Qureshi, Mr. Paulson referred
to the Department of Environmental Quality and Safety in Pridley. Was
Mr. Paulson referring to the Environmental Quality CommissionY
Mr.'Paulson stated that, at that time, tte did not know there was an Environ-
mental Quality Commission.
Ms. Metcalf stated she felt this was a.fair concern, and she was glad to
know of Mr, Paulson's concern.
Mr. Paulson stated that when he called the city regarding the oil spill
from the Lofgren Sanitation Truck, he had requested that Mr. Olson come
over and look at the spill and clean it up, because children could walk
through it or ride their toys through it, and track oil on to carpeting.
Mr. Olson had *_old Mr. Paulson that he complained about little things.
Mr. Paulson stated that Mr. Olson had some kind of prejudice and where it
came from, he did not know, but he was going to get to the bottom of it.
Mr. Leek stated that, for the record, regarding the spill, Mr. Olson did
look at the spi11 on July 27th and on the 28th, Lofgren Sanitation Services
put sand on the spill and swept up what they could of the spill.
Mr. Paulson stated that the two dates were incorrect. This had all happened
on the same day. ,
Mr. Leek stated he also had a picture of the spill for reference.
Mr. Paulson stated he had called Mr. Olson and Mr. Olson had said he
would do nothing about the spill. Mr. Paulson had stated he would take
it up with the City Manager and the City Counci7.. Maybe that rang a bell,
and Mr. Olson got out there. Although, Mr. Olson had stated he got out
there before the City Manager talked to him. it was a mixed up thing.
Mr. Paulson stated that,the reason Mr. Olson would noC come out to look
at the spill was because Mr. Paulson complained about small matters.
Mr, Paulson stated he did not know about these small matters. Mr. Paulson
stated he was going to take Mr. Olson to court and find out exactly what
those "small matters"were. Mr. Pavlson was going to take this up with
City Cotmcil. The Councilman had said that Mr. Olson had no right to
deny Mr. Paulson to have this spill taken care of. There was justification
for complaining about it and for having it cleaned up.
Mr. Paulson stated that Mr. Olson had gotten a Lofgren driver to shovel
some sand over the spill, but there was no clean-up other than that.
The mark was sti12 on the street. The sand just prevented the oil from
getting on tires. This oil was 80 viscosity, very heavy truck trans-
mission oil. It was the fault of the equipment, buh Mr. Paulson was only
concerned about the clean-up.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, TBL� MOTION TO RECEIVE THE LETTERS
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ENVIRONP'IENTAL QUALITY CONAIISSION MEETING, AUGUST 15 1978 - PAGE 5
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Mr. Ditmore stated he would like to just talk a little about the Water
Planning Board, what it was trying to do, why it existed, and how the .
Commission could be continually involved with the Water Planning Board,
if they so wished. He stated his official position was Research Director
for the Minnesota Water Planning Board. .
Mr. DiCmore stated that he wanted to make it cleaz that they were faced
with talking about 54 million acres in the State of Minnesota, of which
3.3 million acres were surface water, and an untold number of which related
to water resources underground. Consequently, what they were trying to
deal wieh was what direction ought the State to go in the future, what
strategy ought it adopt for managing its water resources. He sYated he
would be talking in a br.oad sense and he would be happy to answer questions.
Mr. Ditmore stated Chat in one form or another, water resources planning
in the State of Minnesota management had gone on for many years: Up until
the mid-1960's, the State of Minnesota kind of went along with the philsophy
that it had a lot of water resources. In the mid-1960's, the Federal
Govemanent started to get interested in water resources planning and put
federal dollars into it. The State participated in some federal programs
from 1467-1971, and did an initial job of what the ma}or proUlems were and
what the potential solutions were to water resources problems and related
water resources problems. In 1971, this authority expir.e3 and the Legislature
did not reinstate any autliority unL-i1 abouC 1973 in the Department of
Natural Resources. They provided any funds to fund activity in the A.N.R.
Consequently, much of what was done in 1967-1971 was lost. In 197b, a
group called the Legislative Commission of Minnesota Resources (a joint
HouseJSenate committee composed of major committee chairpersons and several
other selected members) decided to put funding back iri to water plannix�
efforts in the State. First was through swiething called Che Water
Resources Council (creation by executive order of the governor in 1973),
In the 1977 Legislative Session, the Legislature became concerned that
goals were not being meC in developing a strategy for the State like they
should, and created the Water Planning Board (created by Chapter 446 of
the Laws of Minnesota). The Water Planning Board became a separate agency
in the.executive branch of the State Government. By law, the members of
the Planning Board were the Commissioners of Agriculture, Health, Natural
Resources; the DirecCor of the Pollution Control Agency; Director of Energy
Agency; he was the Chairperson of the State Soil and Ylater ConservaCi•on �
Board, plus a chairperson who was appointed by the authority of the Governor. -
That chairperson was Mr. Tom KaliCOwski. He was appointed in August 1977.
The Water Planni� Board was charged with six special duties and a seventh-
relaCed duty:
1. To direc� the preparation of a framework waCer and related land
resources plan.
2. To assure poblic participation in.all planning activities engaged
in by [!ie State.
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3. To direct the involvement of the State in the expenditure of
federal dollars for water resources planning which were provided
under Public Law 8980 (Pederal Water Resources Planning Act).
4. To evaluate participation of the State in Federal, State, Interstate
River Basin Commissions of which Minnesota was currently a member
of three.
5. To evaluate and reco�nend improvements in staee laws to eliminate
overlapping.
6. To coordinate public water resource management activities in
the State of Minnesota
7. (referred to chairperson alone) To be the representative of
the Governor on the River Basins Coumiissions.
Mr, Ditmore stated that the duty to carry out the state-wide plan had
become the first objective of the Water Planning Board. That plan was an
attempt to develop for the State the strxtegy for dealing with its resources.
That effort had to be completed by law by June 30, 1979. On June 30, 1979,
the Water Planning Board would cease to exist. The Water Planning Board
itself had only three members, Mr. Kalitowski, a secretary, and Mr. Ditmore.
In five other agencies of the state government, there were funds and positions
to work with them. Consequently, the Water Planning Board's job was really
to go out and coordinate activities between these individual agencies.
About 21 staff inembers uere involved, not including student workers.
Mr. Ditmore stated the overall structure of the process thaq were using
might best be described in the following phases:
1. Try to target on the identi£ication of what information was
a�ailable o£ water resources in the State and identify important
prob2em areas related to the state's water resources. This was
completed in June 1977 and was called Phase 7 Report of the Water
Planning Board. This document was prepared under the direction
of the Water Resnurces Council which preceded the Water Planning
Board.
Mr. Ditmoze stated they had attempted to identify what was known about the
resource base. One of the things he would like to pass around to the
Commission members was a presentation made by their staff at the end of
March to a Water Interest Advisory Co�ittee made up of a Citizen Advisoxy
Committee. This described much of what they had done to that point in
identifying both the resource base and some of the problems they were
trying to deal with. For example, they had not identified all the wetlands
of the state and inventoried them. That was a job for the Public Waters
Program of the D.N.R.
2. What they were trying to do at this time was: (1) To provide a
forum for discussion on waier resources issues, concerns, and
problems; (2) To use that forwn to expand the list of issues they
had identitied from initial inventory of the resources; (3) Given
thosa issues and concerns, to analyze them, to bring together all
information fran existing sources, and to suggest options that
L+NVIRONMENTAL (�UALITY CON1NfiSSION Nf�ETING, AUGUST ].5, 1978 - PAGE 7
the Legislature might pursue in dealing with problems. The
Legislature was the body which would ultimately make the
choices; (4) To make their planning process open to everyone
who wished to participate, to make it responsive Co their needs,
and to make it understandable. In doing that, they have set
up a multi-faceted public participation program. Back in
NovemUer, they sent out over 3,500 individual letters to
citizens throughout the state, went Chrough the List of five
agencies, and sent letters explaining what they were trying to
do. They held 14 meetings across the state of what they were
attempting to do and would be holding 14 additional meetings
in May of 1979.when they completed their document. They had
established in each region of the state an Advisory Committee
that was currently operating through the Regional Development
Coumiissions. They reviewed all the materials and provided
comments. They had established a 43-member Citizen Advisory
Committee with a wide range of inembership.
Mr. Ditmore stated that in order to produce the products Chey had available,
they had essentially said there were really three separate, but very closely
related problems. These all revolved around what they took to be their
major charge and that was to allow the State to make the best use of its
water resources, both now and in the future, The three primary issues being
dealt with wer.e; (1) What was the most appropriate means of allocating water
resources anung a number of interested and competing users in order to meet
the state's need of the best uses of resources? (2) DeaLing with the way
in which government should manage water resources to ensure thaC supplies
were not so depleted that major damage occurred to the source or to in-
place users. (3) Determining what information was necessary to make
water resources decisions and try to develop for the state a system that
would display for the decision makers the information to make those decisions.
Mr. Ditmore stated that for these three separate issues, they had developed
three different work groups, composed of repxesentatives from a number of
state agencies and were open to participation by anyone. It directly
involved the Department of Agriculture, Health, Natural Resources, Pollution
Control Agency, the State Planning Agency, the Minnesota Energy Agency,
the U. of M.'s Geological Survey, State Soil and idater Conservation Board,
and a representative of the Regional Development Commissions. The Water
Resources Board had very actively participated, as had the Irrigation
Association, and several otlier groups. Within each of these groups, he
would like to give an idea of the types of questions they dealt with. In
the area of how did they made the most beneficial use of water resources,
it was broken down into three areas:
1. How much demand for water2
2. What was the supply of tha resource2
3. Given those two things, how could they allocate it to meet
goals which the State had established?
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ENVZRONMENTAL OUALITY COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 8
Within the demand area, they were trying to look at how much water was
used in Minnesota. In the Staff Presentations document he would pass out
for the Commission, one of the things they did was take just the D.N.R.
appropriation permits, summarized them for the first time ever for the year
1976, and did not include the hydroelectric water users in the State, of
which there were abou[ 23, and were able tu find out that over 1.1 trillion
gallons of water were withdrawn from various sources in the state. Many
of the users of water in the state were required to have an appropriation
permit in order to use that water. If you used more than 10,000 gallons
of water per day or l million gallons of water per year,.you were required
to have a permit.
Mr. Ditmore stated they had found it necessary to look at the in-stream
flow demands for fish.and wildlife,for navigaCion, recreation, and for
waste assimilation. They were dealing with what the determinants were
in magnitude of residential water demand. How was water being used within
domestic households and what determined that demand?
Mr. Ditmore stated they were looking specificaliy at, was the demand for
water responsive to changes in the cost of requiring it--what would be
the potential impacts of water pricing? In a broader sense, they were
dealing with the overall question of how could they make more efficient
use of water, both residentially and in such things as irrigated agricul-
ture. AlI the information available suggested that there was the potential
for tremendous savings with devices that didn't.really affect the way we
lived. So, they were addressing the eonservation issue.
Mr. Ditmore stated that with regard to the supply of water, they were
looking at questions such as: What was the availability of ground and
surface water in the state? Much of the water withdrawn was especially
for domestic consumption from ground water sources. They did not have
good est'imates for the bulk of the state of what supplies of water resources
were available under the ground. When they got done with their process,
they would not have a good answer, but a better answer to that. They
were looking at the qua7.ity of water in the state and were looking at
what the costs were of alternative supply systems. S�e parts of the
state had very serious supply problems.. What areas in the state were
particularly vulnerable to flooding and what were the consequences of
such conditions? They were looking at those questions.
With regard to questions relating to conservation allocations, Mr. Ditmore
stated they were looking at what areas in the state there was the particu-
lar possibility of conflict between demand and supply. What specific
conflicts might exist or could be expected to exist, wlxat steps could
be taken so the State could promoCe the most beneficial allocation in
water and�future uses?
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CONIl�IISSTON ME�TING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 9
Mr. qitmore stated Chat, finally, they were dealing with the controversy
between preservation and drainage of wetland areas taithin the state. This
had been a major issue in th.e state for years. There were programs to
inventory and evaluate the environmental and economic value of the wet-
lands in some other areas oE the nation. Unfprtunately, they did not-
have a strong program that had been comPleted in the state at this time.
' They hoped to develop additional information to suggest future state
policy directions in this area. ,That was something they were targeting
for completion in December.
Mr. Ditmore stated that the second major issue the Water Planning Board
was dealing with was water resouxces management. Out of the 14 state-wide
meetings, this issue came up every time. It was generally in terms of too
much management and too little local decision making. They had just com-
pletc_d a major inventory of the stat-e programs and found that there were
16 separate state agencies and about 80 separate state programs relating
to water resouxces management. This did not even inciude local levels
such as Soil and Water Conservation, water shed districts, or federal
programs. The questions they were dealing with were: What local,�regional,
state, interstate, and federal agencies were currently involved in water
resources management? What was their function? What function areas do
they deal with? They had just distributed for review a program in the
inventory and proUlem identification which coaered a11 these areas. They
were also looking at the goals, purposes, and policies of the existing
managemene agency. They were 1ool.ing at how management programs and
controls could be characterized, what problems were associated with the -
legislation that created them, and what was the appropYiate strategy for
future management and planning for water resources in Minnesota?
Mr. Ditmore stated that the third and final area dealt with the Data and
Information Area,: Basically, they were tryit�g to do two things: (1) To
provide an inventory of the existing information; and {2) to develop a
prototype system for putting that information into a machine readable
form and disseminating it with two agencies or to whoever requested that
information. This gigantic task had led them into such questions as:
What was the quality of the information they currently gathered? So,
they were addressing the quality of the information, who gathered the
information, how it was gathered, and how they might improve that system.
Mr. Ditmore stated the other area he had mentioned was how the Commission
could continue to be involved. He stated the Water Planning Board held
monthly meetings oi their Technical Committee, who were responsible to
make reports to the Board. Those meetings weve open to the public. They
had the Water Interest Advisory Committee, of which the current membership
had been established, although they were not adverse to adding new members.
Those meelings were also open to the public. They disseminated
each of about lb products they were developing .over the next nine months
for review and camments from-individual citizens or organized groups.
He stated that Mr, Kalitowski was very open to comments and input from
citizens.
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ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING AU�UST 15 1978 - PAGE 10
f�Z��i
- MINNESOTA STATE WATER PLAN, STAFF PRESENTATIONS TO WATER
INTERESTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, MARCH 31, 1978
- MINNESOTA WATER PLANNING BOARD, TfiL FIRST SIX MONTHS, P�B. 1978
- PUBLIC CONCERNS AND ISSUES--RECOI�'A4ENDATIONS.FOR CONSIDERATION
IN TI}E FRAI`f�WORK WATER AND RELATED LAND RESOURCES PLAN,
TECHNICAL PAPER �1, JAN, 1978
- RURAL WATER SUPFLY SYSTEMS, TECHNICAL PAPER �4
- WATER: WHENCE IT COMES AND WAERE IT GOES (A SENCfIMARK REPORT ON
WATER RESOURCES IN MINNESOTA, TECHNICAL PAPER �2
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE THE MOTION CARRIED UNAIdIMOUSLY.
Mr.:Langenfeld asked what Mr. Dit-more thought of how we were managing
water resources now in the state?
Mr. Ditmore stated he thought people in programs worked very successfully
in some areas and very unsuccessfully in oCher areas. He felt there was
a problem with drainage and wetlands loss. There was no question that they
needed to complete the Public Waters Inventory program for the state.
The objective of that program was to classify waters as public waters or
non-public waters, That would allow them to determine in which areas
there was state jurisdiction over water resources, which was frequently
an argument in wetlands and drainage-related controversies. There was
a great amount of duplication in statutory language. For example, the
Water Planning Board had the responsibility to direct the state-wide frame-
work in water-related land resources plan and the D.N.R. in Chapter LOS
of the Minnasota Statutes had almost the same charge. They were working
cZosely together in this case.
Mr. LangenEeld asked how the WateX Planning Board was affiliated with
the Rice Creek Watershed and also the 208 Programi
Mr. Ditmore stated that Mr. Ralitowski had met about 6-8 weeks ago with
the Metropolitan Association of Watersheds to make them aware of what the
Water Planning Board was doing. They had met with representatives of sorae
of the other metropolitan area watersheds. Their relationship to them
was like it was to any other interest group,
Mr. Ditmore stated that he fele the 208 Pragram of the Pollution Control
Agency and Metropolitan Council was an integral part of what they were
doing. The Pollution Control Agency was a mesber of the Water Planning
Board itseTf, and they were essentially using parts of their 208 program,
which was non-point source related problems in their planning effort.
In the metropolitan area, Mr. Ditmoxe sta[ed he was a member of the
Metropolitan Council's 208 Water Quality Co�ittee or task force. In
addition, the Metropolitan Council had a very active staff participant
with them throughout the planning effort. They were trying to work
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION ME�TING AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 12
Ms. Sporre asked if the State would attempt to resolve the adequate
drinking water for the state by suggesing withdrawal limitations in
those areas that were abundant to provide water for those areas thaC
were less fortunate?
Mr. Ditmore stated that was the reason for the D.N.R. appropriation
permit system right now. Also, the Water Planning Soard's effort would
look at such options as suggesting that a region of the state in its
economic development plan Look to industries that were not water intensive,
In the state system under current law, the �1 priority among all competing
water users was domestic consumption. They were looking at the possi-
bility of pricing as a mechanism for more efficient use of water and
several other options. The'Rural Watez System paper was a response to
that. Per capita water consumption in Minnesota was L00-150 gallons per
day. Six counties have per capita water consumption in excess of 200
gallons per day and sixteen have consumption of less than 100 gallons.
Ms. Sporre stated that this local commission was faced with the dilemma
of how to best resolve the water use questions in the city. Immediate
issues they faced were the use of wetlands preservation versus the filling
in for development of housing. The Commission was trying to develop a
strategy that could be used to make the decisions. The Commission needed
to know more about the checklist they should be using in review of these
questions so the best decision could be made for water resources. They
needed to know the sources of information. A good deal of �the decision
making hinged on what they thought they knew and what they had been told.
Many of the most recent questions had brought to light the fact that little
infbrmation was gathered before a decision was made. She was wondering
if the Water Planning Board would identify for the Coamiission some sources
of information so that the city's engitteers or potential developers would
be able to get information on ground water, the impact that it wAUld
have based on soil conditions, and how they could weigh those against
development. One of the processes that the Co�ission l�ad considered
using and had recommended to the City Council was thXOUgh the Environmental
Protection Model Ordinances. The Commission had recommended a series of
ordinances which would provide the time to review the water resource
information under the Interim Development Control Ordinance developed by
Metropolitan Council and the Environmental Site Planning and Environmental
Overlay District Model Ordinances developed by Metropolitan Council, March
1977. Ms, Sporre asked if Mr. Ditmore would respond to some of these
concerns, what the Water Planning Board might 6e able to do to address
the Commission's needs, and respond to the use of this kind of an environ-
mental planning system at the local level.
Mr. Ditmore stated that the Water Planning Board had someone more qualified
than he was to provide the Commission with the kind of checklist of
criteria they were looking for. Ae.also suggested that the Comnission
contact Mr. Gary Oberts, who was with the Metropolitan Council.
ENVIRQNMGNTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 13
Ms. Sporre stated that the Commission had suggested that the developers
should Ue required to demonstrate thaL- a development would not increase
the total volume run-off, time to peak run-oLf rate, or shorten the
overall run-off, or decrease the natural raee of absorption of storm
water in any proposed development. Were they placing an unreasonable
burden on the developer to be able to answer the questions of demonstrating
this kind of information or was this information not available?
Mz. Ditmore stated he was not well enough qualified to res�ond to that
question. Ae would be more than happy to submit that question to a
person on their staff who had done considera6le work in storm water run-
off.
Ms. Sporre stated that it was the Commission's feeling that the life
cycle cost of a development be evaluated prior to approving a development,
because the city often ended up footing the bill for the repair because
of lack of long range plaaning; and that the burden should be placed on
the developer since he was the person benefitting from the development.
The City needed to know that the city was not putti.ng an undue burden on
the developer. If the Water Planning Board could provide information on
how to divert developers to that }cind of information, it would help the
Commission if they did initiate this type of Environmental Protection
Ordinance.
Mr. Ditmore stated the Comc�ission's questions were very legitimate;
however, by policy decision of the Chairman of the Board, th�ere were
levels they were basically limited to. They would not be able to provide
detailed responses and recommendations to municipalities right now on
some of the questions the Co�ission was leading to. They would be more
than happy to try to provide the information sources.
Ms. Sporre asked if Mr. Ditmore would review and comment on the "Environ-
, mental Site Planning" and "Environmental Overlay Districts" ordinances
provided by Metropolitan Council for use by local governments.
Mr. Ditmore stated he did noc think the Board would want him to get into
this kind of thing.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he got the impression that the D.N.R. might be
more interested in whether a bullhead survived in a mud puddle than
they were about what happened to some of the wetlands. He was wondering
if Che Water Planning Board could be the "squeaking wheel" that would
wake up the D.N.R. to the'problems of the wetlands.
Mr. Ditmore stated Chey may be faced with the "state of the art" question,
too, and may end up calling for a study to try to make some of these
determinations. They intended to try to deal with that and that would
be the purpose of the wetlands.element of their study that would be
completed sometime in December. He thought what would be appropriate
was if the planners who were working on the wetlands element of the study
would take the "Environmental Site Planning" and "Environmental Overlay
Districts Ordinances" document as an example of one thing that might be
done and to look at it, not in specifics, but in its directions and how
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ENVTRONMENTAL QU.ALITY CONIMCSSION MEETING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 14
it might help co�unities. He felt that was about the 1eve1 he could go
wi'th Ms. Sporre's request. The other problem, though, was that the
wetlands element of the plan would not be available until the end of
December and that might not meet their timetable.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that he was very dissatisfied with the D.N.R.
He had the impression that the state was formulating a lot of laws that
looked good on paper but could not be enforced.
Ms. Sporre stated that the Commission had a letter on record from D.N.R.
dated July 1970 that said Fridley had Type III Wetlands. Wetlands were
now being filled in. Since they were being filled in, she had received
a copy of another letter from the D.N.R, that said these were not justified
as wetlands. You would think that based on the first letter, there would
be smne enforcement. She thought the Co�ission felt that they could not
rely on D.N.12. for en£orcement, although you would think that Minnesota
StaYUtes would protect an area that had been designated Type III Wetlands
by the regional hydrologist, which, in fact, it had not.
Mr. Ditmore stated that one of the things that might lead to this
difference was the public waters designation program. In the narrow
sense; the answer was that this was a management question. In the broader
sense, in that the Water Planning Boa�rd was trying to deal with this type
of question and problem, they were concerned with it. The prohlem agais
would be largely one of timi.ng. This was one part of the larger puzzle
that they were dealing with and it would F�e very difficult to deal with
Tridley's problem. It would be less dif-ficult for them to deal with the
example of this problem which might be occurring on a state-wide basis
on major water basins in the state and make recommendations down the line.
This was not the only area whexe the D.N.R. had an enforcement problem.
Mr, Ditmore stated that he would carry back to Mr. Kalitowski and the
people working on management, and specifically on wetlands, the Co�ission's
concerns. He stated he would be happy to put the Commission members on
the mailing list for further mat•erial. They would try to take into
cansideration as many of the concerns as they could. He was really con-
cerned in their whole planning effort that groups such as the Environ-
mental Quality Co�mnission were going to find the Water Planning Board's
solutions too broad or not sufficient to meet their needs. He hoped
that what he had heard tonight wou2d help them focus at a level that
might be useful on a regional-wide basis.
NLs, Sporre expressed her a�preciation to Mr. Ditmore for coming and
speaking to the Commission.
Mr. Langenfeld thanked Ms. Sporre for arranging to have Mr. Ditmore
as a guest speaker.
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ENVIRONMGNTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MGETING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 15
Mr. Peterson left the meeting at 10:10 p.m.
Mr. Langenfeld declared a ten minute recess at 10:LO p.m.
3. CONTINUED; INNSBRUCK NOFTH SECOND A➢bflITION i+TETI.ANDS:
Mr. Langenfeld stated that Ms. Sporre, Mr. Peterson, and himself had
become involved wiL-h this at the City Council. They had tried to bring
the"Environmental Overlay Ordinance" to attention. They stressed the
fact that they were not trying to stop development but wanted a thorough
study of all drainage systems involved, Mr. Messerli had presented his
co�ents and feelings. The City Council had granted a twn-week moratorium.
They were also to check iamiediaYely on the filling Chat was taking place.
To bring this situation more up to date, Mr. Langenfeld stated they had
found out that water was being pumped out of the wetlands into the sewer
and more fi11 was being moved in. That information had been provided
by a resident, Mr. Richard Erickson, who witnessed Che pumping.
Mr. Langenfeld stated they had gone over there, and the pumping was
evident. He and Ms. Sporre were very concerned. He had not heard any-
thing further until today when he had found out.that there were two lots
on which the moratorium had been placed and that was all.
Ms. Sporre stated that she had received a copy oF a letter dated
August 7, 197$, from Joseph L. Alexander of the D.N.R. to A1 Messerli,
but unsigned by Mr. Alexander, regarding Innsbruck North in Fridley.
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Ms. Sporre re2d the letCer to the Commission. In the letter, Mr. Alexander
stated he had reviewed the matter with the Regional [dater Staff and
learned that wetlands were being filled for development in Innsbruck North.
The Department discouraged the filling of wetlands as much as possible;
however, the Ftatutory Mandate MS 105 which.regulated change,^> in public
waters was quite specific in defining when a wetland was public waters.
About oae year ago, the Department designated four wetland basins in
Innsbruck North, Second Addition, as public waters. The basis for
designating these basins resulted from an initial conclusion Chat the
basins were essential to storm water storage. Consequently, the Division
of Waters had requested and received a permit application from the city
to implement an overall storm water plan for Innsbruck North. Based on
the city's overall plan for the area, the D.N.R. found the iour basins
designated as public waCers last year were not essential for storm water
storage. Additionally, the plan provided storage in five separate basins
located within that part of Innsbruck North to include the Second .
Addition drainage area. The conclusion reached was the D.N.R. could no
longer justify these wetland areas as public waeers. This did not mean
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ENVIRONNfENTAL QUALITY COhR4LSSTON ME�TING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 16
the wetlands would be filled entirely; however, the city had provided
drainage easements which would result in retention of a portion (undefined)
bf each wettand. Therefore, the aesthetic amenities presently provided
(undefined) may be diminished but not eliminated by further development.
Ms. Sporre stated a copy of this letter was sent to the City's Public
Works Director.
Ms, Sporre stated that this Ietter clearly stated that the D.N.R. was
going to ignore the problem of the wetlands. The letter had absolutely
nothing to do with the fact that the wetlands were being filled. They
were, in fact, admitting that they were not going to be involved in pro-
tecting the wetlands. Ms. Sporre stal-ed when she received the copy of
this letter, she was faced with the question of where she should go with
it. She stated that quite some time ago, the Environmental Quality
Commission had been distributed copies of the "Environmental Policy Act"
and the "Environmental Impact Statement" and a series of Minnesota laws
which dealt with the protecting of the wetlands. It was a different legal
instrument than what they had discussed in the past. She stated she
found it to be aiz instrument that could be used in protecting wetlands
based on two conditions.
1. Marshy areas having up to five or more acres in the seven
county metro area or 50 or more acres outside of the seven
connty area, either singly or in a complex of two or more
wetlands. (To the best of her knowledge, Ms. SporYe thought
the wetlands of Innsbruck North exceeded that threshold.)
2. Subsequent to the adopting of the legislative authority to
intervene in these decisions.
Ms. Sporre stated that included the fact that the decision
to approve the development be made prior to Jan. 1, 1974, and
physical construction commenced before Jan. 1, 1975. Because
the city had assumed a good deal of responsibility in
affecting the outcome of the wetlands, it could then be
considered a public decision. The grandfatl�er clause was
for private action. The law read that a substantial portion
of the action proposed by a public agency had been completed
or implemented and an EIS on the action would not be to
_ influence any implementation or construction of the action
to minimize adverse environmental consequences. She did not
think it was too late to minimize the adverse environmental
consequences and that an attorney could make the case that
intervention at this time could affect the total outcome of
• those marshes.
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ENVIRONMENTAL QUAI.ITX COMMLSSION MEETING AUGUST 15 1978 - Page 17
Ms. Sporre stated that if it was_considered a private development, then
construction plans could not intervene if construction plans or installation
permits for an action had been approved by the appropriate public agency
prior to Jan. 1, 1974, and physical construction had commenced before
Jan. 1, 1975. Also, that the proposer had received the necessary govern- '
mental permits before Jan. 1, 1974, to commence construction before Jan. 1,
1975. She was not convinced that all the necessary permits for that kind
of project were approved prior to these deadlines. If the decisions by
the agencies were made after the deadline, then an EIS was required. .
- Mr. Leek stated that the plat was approved in December of 1972.
Ms. Sporre stated it was her feeling that this was a legal instrument that
was enforceable and had been used before by the City of Fridley to prevent
or correct environmental injustice. She stated the Commission was going
to need legal assistance from an attorney qualified in environmental 1aw
if they were going to c mtinue on this course. Ms. Sporre stated the
Commission should ask the city to provide them with that kind of legal
information. She felt that there was a breakdown in confidence with the
city attorney. She cited an example of that dealing with this particular
law. The city attorney had represented the city when it made its appeal
to the Minnesota Environmental Quality Council. in a letter dated 4/16/74
from Virgil Herrick to the Minnesota Environmental Quality Gouncil, the
city attorney questioned the state's jurisdiction involved in the inter-
vention in a land use decision in Fridley. In a letter dated 6/12/74 from
the chairman of the Minnesota Environmental QualiCy Council Yo the City of
Fridley, the state reinforced the fact that, yes, they did have the
authority to halt action and intervene in local decision,because it required
an Environmental Impact Statement based on exceeding the state threshold.
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Ms. Sporre stated that if that was the decision the Commission wanted to
take, then the course of action she suggested would be to have the
Commission chairperson notify the City Council that the Environmental
Quality Commission requested funds sufficient to provide injunctuary
relief for the filling of wetlands in Innsbruck North, Second Addition.
Also, that the Couunission requested the City Council by resolution to
support the use of the Environmental Policy Act and the Environmental
Rlghts Act and allow the Commission to select an attorney of its choice
to represent the proposed legal action to halt the filling of the wetlands,
utilizing these legal insCruments.
The Connnission concurred there was the need for legal assistance to resolve
this legal question.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CONMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 18
Mr. Langenfeld stated he liked the idea of that course of action, but the
City Council was not going to pzovide the money to hire that attorney.
MOTION BY LEE ANN SPORRE THAT THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE ENVTRONMENTAL QUALITY
COMMISSION NOTIFY THE CITY COUNCIL AT ITS NEXT REGULAR MEETING THAT THE
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSZON REQUESTS FUNDS SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE
INJU[aCTUARF RELIEF FOR THE FILLZNG OF WETLANDS IN INNSBRUCK NORTH, SECOND
ADDITZON; FURTHER THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION REQUESTS THE
CITY COUNCIL BY RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT T1iE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT AND
THE ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHTS ACT ANA ALLOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CONIl�ff SSION
TO SELECT THE ATTOAI3EY OF ITS CHOICE TD REP1iESENT THE PROPOSED L$GAI, ACTION
TO HALT THE FILLING OI� THE WETI,ANDS UTILIZING THESE LEGAL INSTRUMENTS.
THE MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Mr. Langenfeld suggested that this same course of action be presented to
Mr. Messerli.
Ms. Metcalf suggested that the Commission write a resolution, wotded in
strong language, that the Coum�ission objected to the land filling, the fact
that the marshlands were being reduced, and that the value of homes in the
area were being reduced because of this action. Also, that the Commission
felt the land fill should be stopped in terms of environmental concern.
4. CONTINUED: MnDOT PLAN:
Mr. Leek stated that he would like the Commission to receive a very
preliminary proposal stating positions fie had gleaned from the Co�ission's
special meeting on July 27, 1978. He had been requested to put together
a series of positions aiid he had reflected the feelings of the Environmental
Quality Co�ission. .
AYE, THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Mr. Leek stated that if the Comm3ssionezs had any elaborations or
additions to this report, he would appreciate hearing them before the
September meeting.
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ENVIRONML'NTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PtkGE 19
5. ENVIRONMEN'LAL EDUCATION:
A. Request from Minnesota Environmental Quality Board for Citizen
InpuC:
Mr. Leek stated that his department had received a request from th3
Minnesota Environmental Quality Board requesting citizen input to the
inventory of study areas for electric power plants. He staCed the
Commissioners could respond as citizens if they so wished.
Ms. Sporre stated that Chis was an activity that should be handled
by the Energy Project Committee, not the Environmental Quality
Commission.
B. Report on "Health Effects of Air Pollution":
Mr. Leek stated that he had received a copy of "Health Effects of
Air Pollution" as requested by the Commission at their July 18, 1978,
meeting.
ANN SPORRE. SECONDED BY CONNIE METCALF. TO
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C. Conference on Lake Restoration:
Mr. Leek stated he wanted to inform the Commissioners as individuals
that there was a conference on lake restoration to be held at the
Sheraton Ritz. It was sponsored by the U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency and was to be held Aug. 22-24, 1978.
6. CONTINUED; PROPQSED ANIMAL PROTECTION ORDZNANCE:
MOTION BY LEB ANN SPORRE. SECONDED BY CObINIE
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7. FIELD TRIP SCHEDULE:
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Mr. Sabistina stated that due to con£licting schedules, he had been unable
to arrange a field trip as discussed"at the .Tuly meeting.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALTTY CONQSISSION MEETING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAG� 20
Ms. Sporre stated that some time in the future, the Commissioners should
plan a field trip to Williamson Hall. She stated that this Covm�ission• had
never been advised on underground proposals, although she knew that there
were proposals for two major public buildings underground in.Fridley. This
Commission should get some understanding on underground construction and
a trip to Williamson Hall would be a way of getting that under�tanding.
She stated that a person to contact for such a tour was Professor P£ender,
a Professor in Mechanical Engineering.
Mr. Sabistina stated he would arrange a field trip to Williamson Hall.
Ms. Sporre stated she thought it would be very beneficial to invite the
City Council and the Parks & Recreation Commission and Parks & Kecreation
Department-stafE.
Mr. Leek stated that after Mr. Sabistina had made the arrangements for
the field trip, it Mr. Sabistina would contact him with the information,
Mr. Leek would see that a letter was put together and sent out informing
the Commissioners and other groups of this trip.
8. CHAIRPERSON'S REPORT:
A. Water Mana�ement Checklist for.Development and Review of .
Mr. Langenfeld referenced the motion on page 9 of the July 18, 1978,
$nvironmental Quality Co�ission minutes to initiate a Water Manage-
ment Checklist. It was touched on while talking with Mr. Jack Ditmore
earlier in the meeting. Mr. Langenfeld stated that perhaps with some
of the names'provided by Mr. Ditmore to the Commission, Ms. Sporre
could proceed with the formulation of the checklist.
Ms. Sporre asked i£ the Commissioners wwld like her to continue
getting guest speakers regarding water rasource planning.
Ms. Metcalf stated she did not want any more speakers unless they
were directly related to what the Commission needed, and because
the meetings ran so late with the guest speaker. She stated she was
not satisfied at all with the outcome of the problem in North Inns-
bruck, and she felt the Commission should be able to do something
to protect the people living there, or at Least help them protect
Chemselves.
A4r. Sabistina stated he also was not happy with the outcome of this
meeting regarding the wetlands. He stated he hated to see it stop
like this until the next meeting. He could imagine what could happen
in another 30 days. Regarding guest speakers, when they already had
a heavy agenda after a speaker, the,Comnissioners could not concen-
trate on a full schedule.
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ENVIRONMGNTAi. QUALITY COMMISSION MGETING AUGUST 15 1978 PAGE 21
Ms. Sporre stated she was concerned that there be some level of
commission understanding on the whole issue, and she was trying to
think of a way to involve the coumiission members so it was not a
frustration effort when she came in with a proposal. It seemed that
unless the Commission went step by step through the evaluation, tnere
was little joint effort in resolution.
Ms. Sporre stated she was questioning the Commission's interest in
generalized commitments to water management and overall water planning.
She tended to work from a generalized plan down to specifics, and a
piecemeal approach was not one that she found acceptable, because it
was proposed development reaction. She found she was better working
in a comprehensive pLanning way and applying specifics within the
criteria. Maybe the staff liaison should be someone in implementation
from the engineering department, because it seemed to be more the
direction this Commission wanted to go. She personally did not want
to go that way. It was also impossible in terms of any kind of
enforcement. Water management was the kind of issue that needed a
total approach. She was not sure she wanted to spend any more L-ime
on this without the Commission's commitment. �
Mr. Langenfeld stated he was saddened at the turn of some of the events
that evening. He thought guest speakers brought vitality to the
entire meeting, sacrif-icing the late hours.
Mr. Sabistina stated he felt the Co�ission was getting the wrong
impression that it did not want any more guest speakers. He d'ad like
speakers at the meetings, but he would like the Co�i.ssion to be
considered first. If iC was going to be a short agenda, then a speaker
would be welcome. If it was to be a long agenda and a long meeting,
then he would say, no, to having a guest speaker.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that if a speaker could be oUtained without
going into too heavy a schedule, it would be arranged. Ms. Sporre
stated she would respectfully do that.
B. Report bv Lee Ann
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Ms. Sporre stated that the Commission had talked about what the city
was doing in Innsbruck, but an item came up in the Planning Commission
minuCes about how the city had provided. an unequal assessment to the
developers in Innsbruck. She referred to page 13 of the Planning
Con}mission minutes. What it amounted to was that the ciCy had sub-
sidized an economically,not feasible activiCy to make it feasible,
and that was the filling oE wetlands. In paragraph 3, Mr. Boar.dman
had stated that, "the reason for the unequal assessment was because
the developer had asked the City of Fridley to spread the assess-
ments off the Wetlands on to other lots so that the Wetland lots
could more easily/economically be developed." Ms. Sporre stated
that if this was a city policy to ask the neighborhood, in effect, to
subsidize these lots to make them, in effect, economically feasible,
that policy should be changed. That was part of the problem.
ENVIRONMENTgi. QUALITY COIAfLSSIdN MGETTNG AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGE 22
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Ms. Metcalf stated that in paragraph 2, Mr. Boardman had stated that:
"One of the requirements of the development was to handle all the
storm water if any Marsh Land/Wetland areas were to be filled in."
She stated that was interesting, because the way it was apparently
handled, according to Mr. Erickson, was to pump it into the sewer.
Ms. Sporre stated the point she was making was that the financial
hurden was not on the person benefitting, but being distributed on to
other people to subsidi'ze the developer. She thought it was unfair
and unreasonable and not in the public interest. This evidently was
a policy being used to subsidize these developers. That was an
injustice and the financial burden should be placed back on the
developers.
UPON A VOICL� VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, THE MOTION CA,RRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
9. OTHER BUSINESS;
A. Interim Development Control Ordinance and Nat•ural 12esource
Ordinances• '
Ms. Sporre slated that the City Council had discussed and decided
to send to the City Attorney the recoumiendation this Commission had
proposed on the "Environmental Site Planning" and "Environmental
Overlay Ordinances". She would like to state in the record that t4ro
items directly regarding that recommendation were not included and
should be acted upon in relationship to that item: (1) The amended
"Environmental Protection Ordinance" she had provided to Mr. Leek; and
(2) On page 13 of the "Environmental Site Planning Ordinance" under
Item L and in the Commission minutes of June 20, 1978, page 4:
"Developers shall be required L-o demonstrate that the proposed develop-
ment will not increase the total volume, run-off rate, time to peak
run-off rate or shorten the overall run-off, or decrease the natural
rate of absorption of storm water.°
Ms. Sporre staYed she considered this merely an oversight, and the
Co�ission should remind the City Council that this was the
Commission's recommendation.
B. Commendation
Commis
Mr. Langenfeld stated that in a joint conversation with Ms. Sporre
and himself, they had felt that the Environmental Quality Commission
should, in some way, commend Mr. Roger Renstrom of the Fridley Sun
for the way he handled the topics on the wetlands.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION.MEETING, AUGUST 15, 1978 - PAGH 23
Ms. Metcalf suggested that Mr. Langenfeld write a letter to the
editor of the Fridley Sun co�ending Mr. Renstiom. The Coflcnissioners
concurred with that recommendation.
AATOURNt�NT :
Respectfully submitted,
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Lynn Saba
Recording Secretary
PARKS & ItECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING
AUGUST 28, L978
MEMBERS PRBSENT: Bob Peterson, Robin Suhrbier, Leonard Moore,
jan Seeger, Setty Mech
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
OTHERS PRESENT: Jack Kirk, Program Director
Siah St. Clair, City Naturalist
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. ,
APPROVAL OF JUI,Y 24 1975 PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
Ms. Mech stated that on page 3, third paragraph, "Lake Harris" should be
changed to "Harris 7.ake" and to correct the spelling of "berm".
MOTION by Betty Mech, seconded by Jan Seeger, to approve the Ju1y 24, 1978;
Parks & Recreation Commission minutes as amended. Upon a voice vote, a11
voting aye, Chairman P eterson declared the motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAI, OF AGENDA:
The fol2owing items were added to the agenda under "New Business":
A - Garden Plots
B- Access to Farr Lake Park
MO'£ION by Jan Seeger, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to approve the agenda
as amended. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Peterson declared
the motion carried unanimously.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT (JACK KIRK):
A. Co�on's Football Field/Registration:
Mr. Kirk stated that as the Coum�ission recalled,,Mr. Van Hulzen of the
F.Y.S.A., had attended the last Commission meeting regarding the need
to resod the football field and the reduction in the user's fee by the
City. Mr. Kirk stated that the field had now been resodded. Because of
the recent rain, the field was in excellent shape. Mr. Van Hulzen had
asked Mr. Kirk to thank the Commission for considering the F.Y.S.A.'s
request and helping them out.
PARK3 & RECREATION COMNIISSION MEETING, AUGUST 28, 1978 - PAGE 2
Mr. Kirk stated that football registration was.almost over--it would go
through hhe middle o€ the next weelc. He stated there had 6een a little
mix-up wi�th registration, because of people on vacatious, so the registra-
tion had been extended two weeks. He stated thaC the teams were practicing
right now.
B: Fall Activity Plans: ,
Mr. Kirk stated that the fall activities had been planned and the
brochure was almost ready to go the printer. He wanted to let the
Commissioners know of some of the new Fall act-ivities, With the elementary
after-school program that was started the previous year, this year it had
been expanded to include North Park Elementary School in Columbia Heights
School District and the Woodcrest Elementary School in Spring Lake Park
School District. $oth these schools were located in Fridley., He stated
it was a start, especially with North Park. They were going to have to
work very closely with Columbia Heights, because Columbia Heights a15o
programmed out of North Park. He stated that they had prograumied out of
North Park during the summer, and it had worked out very weil. _
Mr. Kirk stated that some of the special events were: "Run for Fun"
(cross-country race), family turkey shoot, 1�alloween window painting
contest, table tennis tournament, and the co-sponsoring of a Halloween
party with the American Legion.
Mr. Kirk stated that they would be working with the Teen Board for the
teen programs such as the dance and activi.ty nights as they had last year.
They hoped to have some trips--horseback riding and a Gopher football
game.
Mr. Kirk stated that some of the new activities planned were: adult
disco dancing lessons, racquetball instruction, women's power volley-
ball ciass (as discussed at the July Covnnission meeting), and a women's
self-defense class. .
C. itiTOOdcrest Baptist Church: '
Mr. Rirlc stated that it was the recommendation of the ParY.s & Recreation
Ccmm�ission to deny the request by Woodcrest Baptist Church to use the
Locke Park soccer and football'field. The City Council did deny the
request- as stated and were discouraging exclusive use of public facilities
by private organizations. Mr. Kirk stated that the Parks & Recreation
Department would be working with the Woodcrest Baptist Church to reserve
time for them for six hane games for the remainder of the year. However,
they would be granted no blanket permit for practice games.
Mr. Peterson stated that this was discussed at length at the PLanning
Commission meeting, and the Planning Commission had also voted unanimously
to deny the request. Mr. Peterson stated that the Planning Commission
had asked him several questions since .then that he had not been able to
answer, and he had wanted to talk to Mr. Boudreaa about it.
PARKS & RECRLATION COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 28 1978 - PAGE 3
Mr. Peterson stated that he 11ved near there and he knew that the kids
from Woodcrest 13aptist School were out practicing on the field. He
wondered how the CiCy was going to police it. As he understood it, parks
and recreation programs had first priority. If the city was going to
give the school home game time, they were, in effect, giving.them
exclusive use of the field.
Mr. Kirk stated thaC the City Council had relayed to Woodcrest Baptist
Church that city programs had first priority, but after that it was on
a first-come, first-serve basis.
Mr. Peterson staCed the point was that the Woodcrest children got out
of school at 3:00 p.m. and the other Fridley schools got out at 4:00 p.m.
If the Woodcrest children got to the field first because Chey got out
of school earlier, did that mean other children could not use it? If he
understood it correctly, on a first-come, first-serve basis, that would
mean that Che other children did not use the field.
Mr. Kirk sCated Chat he thought if they checked with the youth football
and found out who wanted to pracCice right after school on that field
and what nighes, a definite schedule could be made uQ, because that would
be a city program and would have first priority.
Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Kirk to check with Mr. Van Hulzen and then go
from there. He stated lie was very disappointed in the City Council for
allowing Woodcrest Baptist Church to use the field for home games.
Ms. Seeger stated that maybe a fee schedule, in essence, could Ue based
on mainCenance o£ that area Eor the amonnt of time used.
Mr. Peterson stated he could not see the school using the field for six
home games and practice withou[ paying the city. He asked Mr. Kirk to
check with Mr. Boudreau, because Mr. Peterson was under the impression
from reading the City Council minutes, that there was to be a fee
schedule established for any use of that field.
Mr. Kirk sCated he would check into it and get back to the Co�ission.
D. Cooperative Use of Parkview:
Mr: Kirk stated that Parkview Elementary had been taken over by the
Community Education Aepartment for use this year. They had said that
the city was going to have quite a bit of use of the building. The ma3n
use would be of the gymnasium and several classrooms would be available
for after-school programs and for some evening activities. Two rooms,
once again, would be set aside for the senior ciCizens. The gymnasium,
which also doubled as a cafeteria, had been selected as a Congregate
Dining site for the senior citizens. This would go into effect some
time in mid-October.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 28, 1978 - PAGE 4
E. Congregate Dining Program:
Mr. Kirk stated that the Congregate Dining program was taXgeted to begin
by mid-October: This was a nutrition program for the elderly. It was
funded up to 90i by a grant from the Minnesota Board on Aging and the
other 10% from a supporting organization which, in this case, was the
Co�unity Education Department of Fridley. The meals would be served
Monday through Friday at a cost o£ 75¢ to the'seniors. The meals cost
$1.65 for anyone under 60. Ms. Rickie Bergquist,from the Parks & Recreation
Department who worked with the senior citizens, was very instrumental in
getting the program into Fridley, A few m;nor changes would have to be
made to the school such as a ramp and restroom tacilities to accounnodate
the handicapped.
F. F.Y.S,A./H.A.F. Fee Structure:
Mr. Kirk staLed that the fee structure was still being looked into at
this point. For the rest of the year, it looked like it would be
continued as beEore. For the next year, as was discussed at the last
Co�ission meeting with Mr. Van Hulzen, they would be looking to see if
something might be arranged as £ar as work projects, etc., as far as
reducing the fee or a portion of the Pee:
Mr. Peterson stated he thought the way to handle that would Ue to have a
recou�endation from Staff to this Co�ission and then on up •to City Council
for final approval. When Mr. Boudreau came back from vacation, they would
get a timetable established.
G. Letter from Sgt. Sprungman:
Mr. Peterson stated that the letter from Sgt. Spruttgman dated July 24, 1978,
and Ehe report pretty well explained the situation.
tfr. Moore stated that after reading the letter, he would be in favor of
choosing Alternative �2 of the three alternatives listed in Sgt. Sprungman's
letter; "Change the ordinance and prohibit consumption totally."
Mr. Peterson stated that his personal preference was also Alternative �Z.
But, he sCated, they were going to have arguments from the other side,
fox example, if Mr, Moore decided to go to Locke Park to have a hamburger
fry with his family and took aLong a six-pack of beer, an officer should
arrest Mr, Moore. '
Mr. Moore stated that he would expect to be arrested if he was breaking
the law.
MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded b}*�Robin Suhrbier, to instruct Staff
to rewrite Ordinance No. 618 to ban the use and consumption of malt
liquor in Locke Park.
PARKS & R�CREATION COI�R✓iISSION MEETING AUGUST 28, 1978 - PAGE 5_
Mr. Peterson stated that if the Commission voted in favor of the motion,
it should go to Public Safety for the rewriting of ehe ordinance, to
Virgil Herrick, City Attorney, and then back to the Co�nission if there
were any questions, so the Commission could have input.
UPON A V010E VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, Chairman Peterson declared the,motion
carried unanimousiy.
H. Summer Program Recap:
Mr. Kirk stated that the summer Playgronnd-in-the-Streets program,
started the previous year, was a move to take some of the recreational
activities into the neighborhoods that did not have a large enough play-
ground or enough participants to have a regular playground program set
up. One of the suggestions from this Co�ission from Ms. Mech was to
check out the Rice Creek Townhouse,axea. Mr. Kirk stated he wanted to
thank Ms. Mech for that suggestion as it had worked out super. The boys
and girls there were not going to any organized activities, and they
averaged 20-25 children each time. Mr. Kirk stated they had four
locations they went to regularly this year, and it was more successful
than the approach of the previous year when people called up to request
PITS.
Ms. Seeger suggested that the Meadow Run AparCments might be another
area and also the Riverview Terrace Area--highly concenCrated areas.
Mr. Kirk stated that next year they could shoot for those areas--housing
areas, townhouses, and apartments.
Mr. Kirk stated that something they had started the previous summer was
the picnic kits for people to take home £or the weekend. He stated it
was very successful this su�ner with requests fot one or two kits each
weekend. People were very excited that such a service was available.
Mr. 1Cirk stated that the athletic program was a big success, Deapite
the rain, there were very few games rained out.
Ms. Suhrbier stated that the soccer program was super, especially the
instructional program with Mr. Juan Salas.
Mr. Peterson stated that the Commission should start scheduling meetings
with the leagues--soccer,,girls' softball, Babe Ruth, etc. They should
handle one league at a meeting to review the past and the new seasons.
Mr, Peterson stated that one thing the Co�ission should be concemed
about regarding the girls� softball was that Che girls were not being
equally coached. The coaches should, all be one age or not let them
coach until they reached a certain age.
Mr. Siah St. Clair gave a 20-minute slide presentation which he had
pxepared for presentation to the City Council budget meeting in June.
The Conm�issioners thanked Mr. St, Clair for the excellent presentation.
PARKS & RECR�ATION COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 28, 1978 - PAGE 6
NEW BUSTNESS:
A. Garden Plots�
Ms. Seeger stated that she had been asked if there was anything that could
be done to improve the type of soil in the garden plots. The plots at
the bottom of the hill had been flooded out as the drainage was not very
good. On the upper plots, if the ground was not kept soft, it cracked
and aplit. Since the people were putting in a 1ot of work and evidently
enjoying it, she wondered if thexe was smne way the soil could be imprwed
so it would not erode and crack.
Mr. Petersonstated this was a.very poor year for all gardens.
Ms, Mech stated that, in generaZ, the first thing to do would be to get
some clay and peat, mix the two together, and rotortill it into the soil.
She also suggested that the city�could dump leaves on the garden plots.
Mr, St. CZair stated it was very beneficial to be discussing this now.
If Mr. Dahlberg was aware of this need, whenever there was a truckload of
organic material, he could have it dumped on the garden plots.
Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Kirk to talk to Mr. Aahlberg to see what could be
done this fall, and report back to the Commission at the next meeting.
B. Access to Farr Lake Park: .
Ms. Suhrbier stated that the problem was that,_at one time, there were
no houses on the east side of East Danube, so it had become a traffic
pattern for the children to the tot lot. Now, homes were built there
and the children were still using the path to get to the park, and the
neighbors were getting upset. She was wondering if there was aRy way
the city could take over a little bit of land for access to the park.
Ms, Suhrbier stated that another problem was that the children had been
told by a lad�± from the townhouses to get out of the park, because the
park belonged to the townhouses. She stated that Mr. Bovdreau needed to
clarify that the park belonged to the city.
Mr. Peterson recommended thaC this should go to Mr. Boardman, who could
check to see if there was any access available. Mr. Boardman could get
back to Mr. Boudreau with the clarification.
MOTION by Leonard Moore, ssconded by Robin Suhrbier, to refer the matter
of an access to Farr Lake Park to Mr. Jerrold Boardman, City Planner.
Ugon a yoice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Peterson declafed the motion
carried unanimously.
PARKS & RECREATION CON4fISSION MEETING AUGUST 28 1978 - PAGE 7
ADJOURNMENT •
MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Robin Sutrrbier, to adjourn the
meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Peterson declared
the Parks & Recreation Commission meeting of August 28, 1978 adjourned
at 9:30 P.M.
Respectfully s mitted,
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Recording Secretary
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CITY OF FRIDI.EY
PL�AHIIPG C�OIISSION I�16BTING -�EA 13, 1978
CALL TO G�
vie� Cbrsraaa Lani�af�la eallyd tlu Septwber 13, 19T8, Plar+niu� Co_issioa
�eti,ss to crdor a,t 7:40 p.�.
a�1d,L� CAT+S.
llub�rs hv��at: da�ee Lt�u�f�l.d, �i�d 3torla� Vir�iaia Schnabei, HoD�rt
PltslecaIIS �a7 Q4�s�
Dllub�rs Aba�st: Riebari Harrie
Othsrs Pr�Nnt: Jlrrold BtaarOaan, Cit� Plaaaer
APPHpYi PLA1RIIiG CO1QQ88IOE1 �s: AUGUS? 23, 197$
1i33'IfNi br Vissiais Se�abel, secont�d br Rob�rt Pet�rs�a� to ap�rov� t�h�
T►v�us� 23, 1978, M��6 ��•sion aiaat�s as vritL�a.
1lr. LaKtafeld �tated tLat en pa�e 5 ui the tiinmt�a� second para`raP�, ni�it+L
�r. c.�� �.ai,�a�. suis� .sth t�. city, �. E,.�.nr.�.a s�se.t.a tb.t �r. �.ai�a
is tr�ia� to sw th� Coaat� aUo.
ltr. ba��ai�.id atat«1 tmat m}a�e 6 cii !he �ri.mit�s� rt�ardins Iaaebrnmk Apxth,
Me. tan�eai�la iadicat�d th�t th� &►vircemeut�l Co�dssions "dis�lpr o? e�nc�ra"
s�ss to h�v� fissl�i.
lts. Sciwb�l �t�t�i tLat latt wuk sh� aotic�d tLat the trncYs �nr� hanlie� tls�
�aack out nai tlut Shpr i��i it m th� Mw B:iQhtoa sii�� #Je� thq flll�d ia
rith wai. llo. Schaab�l slso stst�d tha! ther� ar� �r��ral fatimd�tioas io nor,
�ni t�it 4h�rf art two "B0 i1Ui1lI3G ALi+iifijD• 91�1s aa tvo of the 19t� ibat vr�lti
�].�cN on s aoratvriva t�ro w�ks ��. `l.sc thuy is a fwdatim � a lo#
ri�hi a�r6 to �ns of ih�� dt�s, la an �ra vh�r� th�y fill� ia.
![s. Sshssm�l at�t� th�t os iTest D�n�b� it app�ars t�Lat ther ar� fill� in, aa�
th�r� i� a].•t of vai�r tL�r�.
UPOA A V�ICS d0'TE� AI.L VGTIAG AYY� VICE CHA�M41f LA�G� D�CLiRED THB iN2IfN
TG ASP1t0Yi 4HE AUGl18T 23� 1978� PId1AI� C011QSS2Stlf MI116TrE3 CASSIBD [IaAHIlMUBLZ.
� b� Vir�iai� Sm�b�l, ��ea�i�l by EoD�rO P�i�sso�, to suy�ad th� ra1N
����i�ort� ilws 3� �►� aed 5 na411 1�. BauiMn arriv��.
i1PGY A VOICE oOTS� ALt VOTIIG A7i� 9ICS CHAiRMA1 LA16�+D D=CLAREL► T� MMTI03
TO SUffiP� Ti� RFA�B Alm DI8Ct9�8 PP�B 3r �t� and $ CARRIID UHA1fI1lD►.JTSLY.
PLAANIftG CGI�ILSSIOH l�RTI1�G, �'A�&R 13, 19'78 _ PAGS 2
1. H�GEI`B �IROH�MT►L 4UALITY CE�QSSIDH 1Q11UTB8: AtJGUSR' 1§, 19'T8:
M�TIGH bT Hed Storla, Neoad�d by Ls�qy Oqni�t to ree�ive the Av�st 15r 19T8�
�ronw�tal Raslity Caoitdon !liau%s�.
Mr, I,�enf�ld �ta6� tha� ia r�ards io th�ir eonr�s�atta� vith Mr. Jsck
li�re, 1Zu �utrt spt�k�r for the Tia�ker Plaoais� ENrd -• Wster ii�aqasnt
Cheaklist, ceaetrain` �ur pr.bla rith Iaa�brack, it toesa't iwk like ve vill
s�t �ch iulp beesas� it is a rtate �d f�d�r�l t�ps of �ituation, wd thq
eaua�l¢ h�ip ffis oa a e�1tr basis.
Mr, iwnsenfelt �lsstsd siia4 oa p�se 6 of t1u aiaztey secona to
;iaph xha� Mt. Mta� Smdieafi�d that thq ?� not identified
K the s4at� amd iavesterid the�, iadic�4�s iL�t thq �r� no�0
w4laed� throu�ho� th� �t�te, let alone ths ¢c�ual4ie�.
4hs lasi� para-
all t�►r wtla�de
np.to-dat� �e tt►e
�. a�.�.eraa .t.sa tn,�t � pa�e 9, the first pas�irsph indie�tes t}a�t �hert
vill b� �ou dirtetiooa rs�asding retl�nls is Dee�ber as fas ar ih� Wster
Ce�iiesio� is c�nesrned.
!!r. I.�a�enfel! statea that pa`e 1P, :ecmd par�r�ph, caa►t�ined ist�n,tin`
iafo�ti�n, for �w�pls the p�r ea}ita v�ter coneuapti� ia llliimwsot�•
Mr. S.a��ni���ai�d itut iw P�p 13s s�o� W+�i�lh frca th� a�, lu aeie
� aN��ati t� tht �if�et �L�fi l�s i�pr��sioa ia that th� D.�.R. d.`hi b� aor�
1aen�siN ia xh�ther • bn11hN� �nrri��A 3a a aui tudlle tloaa t}}an �nre abw�t
�►i+a1 h�}p�aM to �a�e �? the vetl�ds. llr. Las�enfeli �tat�d llui� ��saoL
wtiat hie Nii� bttt ild is�loRlta tlut,ic►r the rsa�rd� lu fslt th� D.N.S. vas
aoi�o� a poi Jo� ia a ll►i ad areas.
Me. La�uta7.t �oat�d tt�at � p� 16, s�aart �ae'a�'+s� viva� Le� 4aa Sy�rr�
ilsensNdl t� v�tlit��� titr r� h�pia� 4Lai rKattit� sretk tiia�e vhich
eo111ii�� b� L�adl�i 1Ka11T� y�rhRp� tihe Etvir/�ttnt�l 4Wi1it7 Aett �id tLe
SavirNMaia1 I�DRat Stat�asnt n�ld be rs�l N DYt • Ls].t 't� tr�sth�r A���1op�ea�
ia fiai arw, und ilat stibuetioas 1 wd 2 v�rr pra-ratnirits to xhelhsr �re
aoald iql�at t1w h�1rNw�st Ia�as 8tatwat �r s�t. lfr. Iw�of�il
/taiM thal a/ iL� Msti.a� cMtiiwi, 1t Nwi t� l��s� ��tva, afld w
p� l� a avtiiw va� aM-e iist tL� CLa1rPa's�r o! th� iavir�atal QualiL7
c,�r.t,si�a s.esr�r e�. csty ew�.ail at its a.rt r.�ttlar ...sias tb.t th.
]bnrirq�tal Qw114T C�i�siaa� r�qwsts imd• snffieiwt tc provlde
i�Ztvtetua:y 7e�li�i i�r tw iillia� 02 wtla�ds 2n 7aasbruek ��rLh, Ste�ad
Nditiamj Fin�iker tiat the �tirwrDial Raality C«sissiou reqwst■ t��
Citq CaAUdeil br rt�oltitioa to �npport the Eeviror�asntsl Polic� Act �aad the
Earix�o�mtatal ai�hts Act atd 1�llon th� 8hvirema�atsl Qrality Co�issl�a to
s�lK:t #]N �ttor� o! its ahoic� to ryrts�a� ti� �zyr�d lsql aatioat 30
]ult tbu� lillias oi tlu vetland� utilialn� thtse l��al ia�trarata. �_ a
��a #3.�:. #�r_:].stsk ai ae:sess�+ni4,� 3dhs� '�r s�titfa miN� N did tlu r�al
3t�p�et et Tsa�i►ruek Hortl�.
1�. La��afeld ret�rr�d to �e 20, pu�a�raph 3s +u�d indieat�d th�t tu ra�id
be ��r�r axch iatsr��ted ia invitin� the Cit� Cw�ncil aud the P�art's arid
�ecr�ation Ca1��1� u�l the P1�naimQ Cw�iisai� to 4�1u vhat tLt� ¢all �n
�a�i.raoueutsi t�ur K:iillia�au H+sll. Th� �pproy+ri�te p�vpU �rill be
no%ifi�d �rhen k sp�cific date is set f�r tIIe tomr.
:�
� '° PLAHNING COiY�83I0H Y�6'PI�G, �ES 13, 1978 P4QE 3
!`
UPON � YoICE V�TEl ALL Vt1TiAG AYE� VICS CHAIRMiH LAHG�FA'SiA D�CI.ARE� TffiS 1Mt7!'IOF
TO R=ClTVt AID la1VIA�1�ilAL QU�LITY C0�lfffiSIOlf MIIIiTPSS 0�' AOGUST i5s 1978s
CABRIID t1AANI1pt7�LY.
2. �I9E P18H$ Alm RZC&ZATIE�I COIDII83I0�T 1QMP�iS: �LR3[i�' 28, 1978
110TI0H bq Rob�rt Pe't�rsoa, sscaate4 by LeHapr Oqat�t to reeeiv� t!u Park� �ni
tF.••ier�a—`tiari Ccr�isoia� ainuie� of Av�us! 28� 1978.
lir. Laa��nfl�l a�t�d tLat pq� 3 oi ti� ainnter stRt�s tLt Parlc�iw ?1�aeatar�
ias bun wl�et�d as a Coo�r�te Main� 81t� !or tLe s�aicz citisea�. H�
•sksd h�nr tia traasportati� w� sois� to rork for th� e�ai�r ci4lr,�as.
lir. Storla stsird tLat rith thts �itt, thq aiv oblipted i� provide txtiasp�r-
'f�tiaa ior ��e �o zrqassis it, on a re�erntias� ba�is.
!4. P�t�r�on iaq�ir�d vko th� Dir�ctor ot th� C�r�sat� Disi� R� ronld b�.
lfr. L�a��nf�ld �tat�d fi1�L hopeful�j a local persam► roai.d b� �elect�d.
Iir. 84a4a statad tbat ws lu tind�rsLaad� it, IUals oa Wh��ls vill aiao be �errii
ottt Id 'Ck� C�at� Diaia� aea�.
IEr. P�t�rw� bro�ht att�ati�n to pa�� b� ths l�tter lra� S�t. Spruopiaa
c�e¢�thaio� Loet� Part. ]�fr. P�tsrsw st�tsi th�t Lt�ok� Yark voaLd aov be aoa�is-
t�t r14h sll p�rks iia Fri81q aad nsisLbor eitis�� im bhat liqaotir ud b�sr
roula b� bqa�d,
i�ON A nOICE �OTE� ALL VOY'I�G AYE� VICE CHAIRM�K LtIIQLNF�LD DECL�R� TffiS lMTIOH
TO �ECEIVE `PH& P�SCS �D RZCRlATI08 C014QSSIDH MI1fUPE3 CfF �UGUDSlP 28� 1978�
C�IE11 i1HAA'lipTALY.
3. nisCUesi� � cao�rrs oa v�cs a� r$cr0sair
L�Ha{r Oqnist statlod tha! tbia ras liaon�s�d at %h� Ca�u'ity Dtrelapseat Caoi.si�
tNtile� oa $r�tMd��! 12� 1978� wd thd th! Prop�lt�r llan�er� Bob aad Patty ��tead were
ps�Nnt. Nr. Oqei�t wd th� �r anbers felt tb�t it rss a mll rrittea
d�slMat �ad covmt aast asplcts of DroD�'�7 ��L�at. � apti�n r�a� a�de at
th� G�it7 De�elop�at C�ts�ion itetin� tiat t% CiS�r Co�uc11 rstirr wa si�a
ti� caeitract.
�. r�t.:... r.ie ta►a� oraia.na.. ai�h� prot�e'! the"aily i� r.�ra. to sn.
a„nle�at aad t1u� p�opU rLo will be lida� ih�r�, bn�E �xld lik. to :se the
Cit� Co�aeil i�re a�r 7�sia1 Cpaeil lwk �t it a� Si th�s� ar� ahan�es, a�ks
t� a�ao�s� bxt it sYoald be sisead.
14r. H�axif�a st�ird that Al f3ab41 ftN ti1�t Coaa�itf Der�lopa�►t Ca�io�iam amd
I� Yw I� lrwi th� Hiaa� Aesoxre�a Cp�isaSaa¢ hatn.bseia e�l�¢t�d br tl�s�
Lin a�b�r ¢ariesi�s t� s�r�e �n the Sel�etim Co�ilte�.
11¢. �qaist �tatad tb�t th� 9�l�ctios Caraitte� Mill ban t�ro to foar aertie�� t�
we].set ila iaiti�l y+�opl� aa� alL�r tlut Yt vill bt up $o tM Mw��st ot tiu
13rr�lop�nt to accrpt arr la�wa. 1lr. Oqnlat rtat�l t�at thear aoa l�we e�er 600
apytlla�Cs !o� 19$ ttmits. Mr. Oqrist �ta'C�d tYat thp lu�e s tsatatire a�eatnt
rlth tiu 14'C to yirevide a bas stop ri�ht in irAat a� the 3eaior Citia�ns bnildia�.
"' -' PIJ111I1fG CWOQSSI01 I�TIB(i, SEFTA�� 13, 1978 PA(iP k
�t'• B�arlsan s�at.�8 tL�t it lo�k� liie the Cit� Camcil vill so with a par�-
tra�it qst�a �iailiar te th� pro�r�r la C�l�abia Hei�ht�. Th� F�deral
QsTezr�ent Mill subsiflise 90'� oi t1s tirsS �ear on �a �zperiaett�l �asis iwd
sfter t�u1t erther tmbsidi�s will tatr ener Rlth�h !hq hawa't yet beea
tetet�iaei. It iooks like it M11 De a 2/3 subsidy.
If�. Petsr�oa stat�d tLat h� is oppoasd to s traneit �ystea in the City of
Fridlpr bseasue of th� ccst and hopet that the City Cwr+cil Mll look �t
th�s� F�d�ral �nbeidies becanse hs feol.e tLat thq are RbeYt readg to dry up.
Mr. H�arA� et�t�d that hs felt a decisio� rwld b� au�de by the City Council
at their a�xt �eetin� reQa�din� thia.
�fr. Storla stat�d bis Co�i.s�iw rss aonerned re�asding the iaitial reat-up
tromy. Tkq vcfa].d be h�adling the applicati�►a tlyt firet ya�sed thsovsh a
lqsi.as tNia tiat the a�na�aent has, aad that Lhey vauld be ecreenias out
ay}licanta that had beea poor rent�rs in the past, and eliQlble �pplicants
�o�A be p�sred Le ths Ca�snwitr Dev�lop�ent and ���wrc�s Qroaps. aesarflin�
the iiaita �u¢h as one ch123 per bedroo�a misss m�ter the a�s of 5 0�' o! tke
�w ws, 1(�ry Vaa Dan ezplained tlut if the la�i]y `row�� they roali be plaeed
m a paiority list for a l�r�er unit� aot kickad �xt. He fel� it raa aa
ezcell�nt d�c�tat.
Mr. Larpat�ld �taiad that he liks� the ideq of pxwenta�Civ� san�peat bsaarae
it olne�ras itself rith Lhe pa�pls iuvolved.
MOTIf� by Eobsrt PsSsrson� Neonded by Aad Storla� to rscarsnd the aaa�a+eat
�i aed all the att�sl�ata t�iur�ir ia rqatds to ihe Villap Gre�a Proppeal
tci ti� City Ce�miel for apyro�val �it�r yroper 1K�1 eonticil.
Il�llf A VOICE VOTB� YLL V01'I2fG �7(L� VICE CHILIRNAlI L�D D�CI.AR&D 2'HAT T�
1D'PIO� TO RECOiY�ID T� MAIiAGE1�RP PLAH AHD 4I,L THE ARTACH�NTS TAER�IIf IN
fi�(}A➢D8 "PO TAE VILLG! CC�E6N PHOP03AI. TO T� CITY C�UACTL F0� APPROVAL AFR�R
PROP� LEGAL �OUfl16EL; CARRIED UlfAHI11DUSLY.
4. RECBTVE Alm DT3CU88 C8A�G83 'PO CAAPTAi 2p5, ZO$IHG G�E
1�RITIO� by Vir`inia sebnabel� s�aoadad by L�Rtry Uquiat to receiv� and disense
the �rvpos�d ehanrea to Chapter 205, Zonin� Code.
UlAS � YAICE Ytli'E� ALL nOTING AYE� VICE CHAIItMAB LANGSIPFZF.D AECLARED THAT T�
MOTI�T TO REGEI9L AlID ifI3G�S PROPOBED CH6AGaS T0 CHA?TIIt 205� ZONIETG G�E�
CA�tAiII� U11Al�.ilIDUBLY.
Mr. Bq�rd�an atat�d that he rronld like to so thrauah aad po1aL orit seneral tkeia�a
that �ror�li be helpiml to thq ia readins it. He �tated that ererrthin� t1uS i.
undrrlin�d is an added �t�t�nt �nd that leletione are crossed oYt.
l. The pury�o�e of the eade shoulA be laid out a•re el��r�y aad defiae the code
b�tter.
2. A paeral abanp in th� or�anization of th� wrie, fcr esanple, duplieati�ns
ax�e r�awrd ud �eetiaoie ao l�tr usad ars r�aova�.
3. 3n #� aao�rciai arsa, acdifioationo rere a�d�. lder�thin� that deal� xith
Maisi�trati�n oad �en�ral peri�auae require�sat� are incinded ia the first
3i1 y�e�� �ad ahaa�eable ite� will be ia tLe baek K the Q•caaent.
z-- -^ PLABiNIHG COlOQS8I0H 1QCPI�'r, �IIi 13, 19'i8 P� 5
4. �iai D1�tricte trill b� listad vith thtir reiti].atiaar.
5• e11 Darkia� ='�4eiisatats �re ave yl�a�d oder Gsmerwi:_RasSric�laa�s;�#.�}S
a lirtin� ot tise�.
6. lart�ssaaa� 8'landards - nah tLin�c as �ii-�r�et p�riias, ext�rior sta�a�e,
3rais�t aull Lal�capist r�4tiira�sats, etc., are mar iacltiiad ia thie
iFic�tl. T,� follr+ri� iteas vill aloo b� lis'C�d ��r Perforrnee
�adsrd�s
A. Ri� aaiatqane� a�p�ats � the Z�nit� Coi� Ls b�ea exyard�d so that
ve vill 1ia�e � trpe of state�u►t tLat cemLi be wforoed tfrw�h
#,� Za�in� Coie a� i�r as the �aintenanee �2 e�cE�rior atruct�res,
rawval ef sao�n �nd iee, etc.
B. Es�tatlal Serrices sre aleo iaeltidad und�r Pafor�uce Stand�r8e.
C. A wation aLssifi�d as E�rirms�ntal As}eots �S� be�n �dad to the
P�rior�+ce Standarl� wctim. Thi� �eesti�n trill iaclud� nich thin�s
as aplosi�s�, fall-or�t �heltes�, n�1st� tiDratiws� �te. It rill
�1N reo�r�r rueh tfiyn�s as erodan ooa caaatraa�wi ait�s� nre of draiaap
podds, �ad that tjrp� Of thin�.
7• i!� nariamat Prooedare Maa gut b�ck iatl th� Zsnins Ccte.
8. E�¢h Mstrict will be list�d vith ap�eific re�lati�s.
/Ir. Boat�i�ra �tatad that carpl�t�d copi�s vill b� di�tribttad ahort],y.
il�. Sahnabel staL�d that tLt App�als Ca�i.ssion vaull like to revisr the dxaent.
ix9TIiii b� Sab�rt Pet�rs�� r�coed�d br L�Rapr OquisL t� iaelnde � She aQmla
�—�iia abct �iu�, � iLai to �et � a tiaetable foy ths rwiev, �rov�]. �md
su9�radati�s of ti� &tildin� and Zanic� Cade.
[�iuf A V�ICS VOTi� ALL nOTI1fG �Yi� VICi CHr1IRMAlf LAHG�FiLD DIC7.AliSD THi IqTION
TO IIPCLt&1� Alf Plilt 0i T� �A F� TB! i81CP IIQTIIfG 2t� S@S UP � TIM�'PA9I.Z FQt
THE HEV3Ei� ATPSOV�L 4IIi RECOI�RJ�rTI01f �' T� HUII39I1� AID ZOAIli(i C�R�
CAliltIiD. UdAXI11D�L7.
M�TI�f b7 �o� Q'l�niot� Seeond�d br Robsrt Pstarroo to adjwro tir aerEia�.
�0� VOICE V ALL VOTIln3 A]Ci VICi C�AIRMAi J�4 LAXGZ�D��� F„�RED T�
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