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PL 11/22/1978 - 6644City of Fridley AGENDA PLANNING CONP4ISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 1978 CAIL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL• APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: OCT06ER 25th, 1978 1. APPROVE APPEALS COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES: 2. APPROVE APPEALS COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES: NOVEMBER 1, 1978 3. APPROVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEMBER 14, 1978 A. Planning Commission may wish to give additional input to the City Council on the variance request for 4526 2nd Street N.E. (Item A) 4. RECEIVE ENUIRQNMENTAI QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: 5. RECEIVE 6. RECE_IVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMM �. RECEIVE ENERGY PR( IN MINUTES: OCT�! ER 3 EMBER 1 S. CONTINUED: MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT This item may have to be tabled until the language can be worked out with the State Department of Human Rights. E : REVIEW OF S 10. OTHER BUSINESS: ADJOURNMENT: 7:30 P.M. YEILOW YELLOW YELLOW BLUE GREEN SALMON WHITE � .�. crrY aF Fxm�ac PIJINNING COhB�IIS3I0N MEETING, OCT4BER 25, 1978 CALL TO O�iDER: Chairmen Harris aalled the October 25e 19'(8� Planning Commiasion aseetiag to order at 7:35 P•M• ROLL CALL: Membera Present: Ned Storls� LeRay Oquist, Richard Barris� Robert PeLersaa�� Virginia Schnabel� Jim Langeafeld Mrmbers Abaeat: Hoae Othere Present: Jerry Boaxdman, City Planner (arrived at 8:15 P.M.) L. APPROVE PIJ�NNING COMMISSZON MIN(TPES: OCTOBEft 4, 1978: MOTION by Mr.Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist to approve the October 4, 1978� �ng Coffmissicro mirnates ss written. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CFfAIftMAN AARRIS DECI�AtiED THE M(YPION CARRIED IlI�IANIN�IJSLY. 2 BY allow the construction of a new dwelling in CPR-2 Zoning (flood plain)i located on Lots 25 and 26, Block T� Riverview Heights� the same being 695 Fairmont Street N.S. A. Public Hearing an tr�o variances appraved by Appeals Commission on October 10, 1978, whfch were not included in the notice seat to all aYYected property ownars on the original varisace request: Reduce minimum square footege oY the gross floor erea from the required 768 square feet to 720 square feet, and the setback Prom the Missiesippi River Corridor be reduced from 100 Yeet to 80 feet. (pages 3 to 8 in Appeals Cqmmission minutes). MOTION by Mc. LangenPeld, seco�ded by Mr. Storla to apen the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� AiL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAti HATiRIS DECLARED THS POBLIC HEARZNG OPEIt AT 7%37 P.M. Chairman Harrie asked the petltioner to step forward� and explain what she intended to do. Ms. Roberta Spohn, 3520 TameB Aveaue No. came forward and stated that she would like to build a houae Por herselY to live in and submitted the bluepriata to the Ca�missioners. Mr. Harrie asked if the elevation of the basement floor wovld be above flood level. Me, Spoha stated that she was told ehe would have to raise tt�e laad k feat and could not have a basement. - PI�ANNII� COiRTt38I0H MEEfIi�, OCTOBER 25, 1�?B -PAGE 2 1Rr. LangenYeld esked Ms. Spohn how long she had ovned the property and ii when ahe purchased t6e property there was ar�y i�ication in the agreement that the praperty was lxated in this kind of aree. Ms. Spohn stated she had purehased the properEy on MRy 34� 1978 aad wea told that the property rtae loeated in the flood plein� but that it waa a buildable 2ot� and that wae v�;y she purchased it. Afr. Peters� asked xho told b1s. S�ohn it was a buildable lot. Ms. 3pohn stated that ahe went through Capri Reality� and Century 21 had it listesi� and it was written on ths white sheet that it vras a buildable lot. Mr. Lsngenfeld asked Ms. Spohn iY she had talked with Mr. Chester Schack. The Appeals Co�iesiam Minutes oP October 10� 1978 lndicated that Mr. Schack had prOblema. Mr, firank Spohn� Ma. Spohn's Yather came Porward and stated that he had attended the Appeals Commission hearing, and thst Mr. Schack was there. Mr. Sgohn stated tLat t�. Schack 11ves one block north of Ms. Spolsn's property, end Mr. Schack did not object to anyone building there� he oa�2y wantcd the property owner to be avare oY the fact that rain came dowa throug8 the yards aY existing ho�aes between Glencoe and Fairmont. Mr. Schack's address is 685 Glencoe. Mr. Langenfeld stated that he xas c�cerned that Ms. Spohn be aware of the potentiel dan8ers that could exist. Mr. Spotin stated that Ms. 3pohn wsa required to add Yill and thia vou18 raise her lot abwe her neighbors� snd Mr. Spohn Yelt the neighbors would be concerned about this. , Ms. Schnabel stated that a le�tter fra� staff indicated that the setback was 85 feet instead of the 100 feet required. Mr. Harris stated that the variance for this 8etback was rec�ended far approval by the Appeal.s C�mission. Mr. Harris stated �Chat the Special Use Permit is re- quired to build a house in this area. !!s. Spohn statcd that she wou2d 2i.ke to extend the house anothez 3 Peet becauec her living rown would be too narrow as it is. Mr. Harris stated tl�at she could do tLis as long as the house fit in under the varisncea that have been recam�nded.for appraval. Ms. Schnabel stated that ehe would k�ve to be 35 feet back fram the lot line, and xould eleo hsve to meet the reer ysrd setbsek. Ms. Sehnsbel suggested that Ms. Spohn have any alterations checked by Staff. Ms. Schnabel stated Ms. 5pohn would hqve to meet a 35 foot setback fram Riverview and also a 17 1�2 foot setback Prom FairmonS. A'�. He�rris informed Ms. Spohn that if changes �tere made� the pleas would have to be changed beYore she applied for s Bui].ding Permit. PLAMVIt�R'i COt�ASIS3ZON MEETING, OCTOBF�t 25, 1978 . PAGS 3 84�. Harrie asked Ms. S�ohn if she was asaere of the requirementa of the flood plain area, as far as elevetion of the house and the apecial treatmeate that must be made in the Poundation and so forth. Ms. S�ohn atated that she was told the lot muat be raiaed 4 feet and she could have no basement� and iY there vere special treatmente nquired she wou],fl contact Staff. Mr. Harria informed Ms, Spohn,that 15 feet a�y frooa the house, the ground hea to be sloped array From the house to take care of drainage, ao that vater runs away Yroau the house. Ms. Schaabel asked Ms. Spohn iY ahe had talked to Staff regarding flood plain requiret�nts. Ms. Spohn etated she had talked to DarreL Clark, the Building 7nspector. hh�. Robert Sluss� 675 Fairmoat Street N.E.� came forward and stated he lives behind Ms. Spohn�s property, e� that there is a lot between his lot snd Ms. Spohn�s lot. Mr. Sluas stated that he had a drain field installed last stmmmer and it ran con- atantly. Mr. Slues stated that if Ms. Spoha's lot was raised 4 feet and the run- off diverted, it would increase his water problem. Mr. Sluss would like the water drained in a difYerent direction� maybe into the street. Mr. Aerris etated that Ms. S�ohn wovld have to submit a draina�e plan, and the drainage should be directed towaz�d the street. Mr. Harris stated that the elevatlon of the garage structure msy alsp have to be raisedt and the drainage would be directed to Fairmont Street. Mr. Sluss stated this should take care of his problem. Mr, Kim Wall, 8065 Riverview Terrace� came forWani aad stated that Fairmont c�es down at such an incline� that iY there tras a heavy rain, and the water builds up� that drain cannot haadle it� and the street fills with water and then dra�s into an empty lot. The person who owns the lot just pays taxes and won't build on that lot because it is too small. Mr. Wall wss concerned that if Ms. Spohn's property vras built up, would the water run into his drivewpy. Nir, fiall slso stated that if Ms. Spohn�s lot is raised �+ feet and if 3t was graded x3th a 15 feet incline swqy fram the house, the r�ater would run�east, which is a decline going the other �y and all that water wi11 go back again, and there was water sitting on Ms. Spohn�s lot this sgring, because the drains cannot handle the water. Mr. Hsrria asked where the catch basins were located. Mr. iTa].l atated there are located near her east lot line, and another a little south acrose the street on Fairmont. Mr. Aall stated that his lot line runs approximetely 12 inches from hia garagei and would like to knoir what the minimum disteace was betHeen his line and the house or garage Ms. 3pohn would put on her lot. Mr. Harris stated that the minim�,misras 10 feet and her houae would be 18 1�2 feet from his ].ot line� with the garage a little closer. �.arvrrirr� cot�ttss�o�v 1�rnvc, ocroB� 25, 1978 PAGE b � Mr. Fia]1 esked that if the drivexay was off Fairmont� would they bui2d up the incline cro Fairmont. ' Mc. Harris stated that they vould probably b�ild up bhe incline oY the driveway to the garage, because the garage would have to be above the flood plain level. Mr. Harris reiterated that there should be a drainage plan. t�, I,eouazd S�ohn came Yorward and asked if Riverview Terrace s�ae a permanent ` street as it sits, because he had noticed that there aTe no curbs� no drainage no cetch basins, and it was higher tban Fairmaont. Mr. Herris explained that Riverview Terraee was a raised rosd�qy� nat a d1ke� and wsa coneidered a pera�nent atreet. Mr. Hall asked if that street �rill remain ae it is� because lf it was 3 Yeet loaer� it aould csuse drainage problema. Mr. Harria stated that to the best of the C�ission�s kaowledge, the roadway would remain as it was. Me. Schasbel stated that the survey indicated that the hi.gh water record of the City is 822.90 a� the street elevatians shawn here vary fra¢n 820 to 822� which ia in keeping with the high water mark� and it srould be advaatageous to raise the house up, under the circumstances. 2�PION by Mr. Langenfeld, aeconded by Mr. Peterson to c2ose the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHA7RMAN AARRIS I�CLARED THE PUSLIC HEARING CIASED AT:8:10 P.M. _. . Mr, Lsngenfeld stated he would like clariYication oY the item on page k of the Appeals Commiasion minutes indicating that ao permits had been granted to butZd a 8r►clling in �he flood plain areas in the Iast five years. Mc, itarris stated that in CRP-1 we couldtt�t but in CRP-2 we could allow a structure� and they have allowed this. Mr. Aarris stated that_there was one just recentl,y. Mr. Iangenfeld stated that the petitioner should be aware of tbe potential problems, and iY thc Special Use Permit aas granted, any problems would be rri.th the pebitioner, end not the City. l�ATI�N by Mr. Petersam, seconcied by Ms. Schnabel to reco�aend to Council apprwal o! SPECIAL USE PERMIT #'(8-12� by Roberta M. Spohn� per.Fridley City Code� Section p5•157� 5, D, to allow the constructioa of e nev dwelling in CPR-2 Zoning (Plood plain}, lxated on Lots 25 and 26, Block T� Riverview Heights� the same being 695 Fairmoat Street N.E. with the stipulatian that a drainage plen 6e submitted at the same time the revised house p]ans are submitted. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman if there wa� a problem with Staff tn granting the Specisl Use Permit. Mr. Bogrdmen stated thst Staff had no problem with the Special Use Permit. PZANNING CObA�L[53ION MEE'EING� OCTOBE�i 251 197'8 PAGE 5 l�k. I,angeafeld atated that he �ould lika to etreas the fact theL the dreinage proDleme ehould be throughly studied so there would not be a re-occurrence of prnblema in that aTea, ae hes happened in other areae. UPON A VOICE V�PE, ALL VOTIt� AYE� CAAIRMAN AARRIS DECLNRID THE N�TSON CARRT.ED t1NANII�DUSLY. . _ � . j, RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINfJI'ES: OL"POBER 10� 1978: bI0TI0N by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld to receive the October 10� 1978, Appea�s Ca�niasion minutea. Mr. I,angeafeld stated that he had noticed that several motiona regarding the Special Use Permit had died Yor lack oP a secoad. Ms. Schnabel atsted that she thought that perl�ps the Board felt it was out of their �urisdiction to make ax� recoammendations on whether or aot tkye Specisl Use Permit ahould be gassed. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN AARIiIS DECLAItBD THE M03'IOR CARRIED ITNANIldOUSLY. . _ _ _ _ .. k. CON!'IN[TID: ADDITT�NAI, APPOINTMENT TO ENERGY COt'2�II�S3ZON: l+DTIOH by Mr. Lengenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to receive the letter �ram �e 'an Snba regarding the Energy Project Committee. Mr. Harris stated that this letter was received rather late. 1�. Boerdmen atated that they received it late� sad since the Commi.ttee hadn't met yet� Staff had submitted 1t for the Commissioa'a review. Mr. Boax�dman had inYormeB Mr. Saba that the Sirat meeting would be Nonember l. [�ON A VOICE VOTB� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TAE I�TION CARRITiD MOTION by Mr. Peterson, secoaded by Mr. Langenfeld to appoint Dean Snba to the fineTgy Project Co�ittee. _ . Mr. Lengenfeld etated it would be a good idea to nppoint Mr. 3aba� because oi tLe poesibility oP a drop-out procesa. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTIIIG AYE� CHAIRMAN HAE2RIS DECS,ARED TBT MOTION CARRIID UNANIMOUSLY. . Mr. Patexsoa aotcd that the agenda reYerred to the Energy Project Co�ittee as "Energy Comonission" and it should be "Energy Project Caa�ittee". I+Lr. Harris etated that he had beea to the Council Meeting and ssked Yor admin- istrative help, which vas given. 14�. Boaxdman aLatcd that Lynn Saba rrould be the secretary for the Ebergy Project Cammittae. + PLANNING COF41788IOP MEEPING, OCTOBER 25, 2978 PA(1$ 6 D�. Harris stated that the requeat to the City Council was primarily for secreterial helpi and informed the Council that the Committee vould get back to them for Admiaietrative help. Mr. Harris ssked Mr. Boardman to arrat�ge for a staff person at the first meetiag� to help get organized. Dlc. Boardmaa atated he xould attend. 5. CONTIHUED: PROPOS'ED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. 2oRII�: MOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by bh�. Oquist to continue the proposed changes to pter 20S• zoaing. 3h�. Langenfe2d atated he had noticed cettain items rrere deleted� and asked ii these items srere added into enother section oY the ordinance. Mr. Boardman stated that in sa�e csses items were deleted amd added elsewhere� and in other cases they:were deleted altogether. tk'ON A VOICE VO'I�� ALL VOTING AYE� CAAIRMAN HARRTS DECLARED TAS M02ION CARRIID IRPA2+iIN101JSLY. _ — . . . _ 6. CONTINUID: MENK)RAPIDUM OF AGRF.F.MENT: Mr. Btorla stated that he felt the progress on the Memorandum of Agreemcnt sras good and the prxesa itself was good. The Hwmn Resources Co�ission would be reviewing it again for conaisteney of tarminology. l�PION by Mr. Storla, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to coatinue the Memorandum of Agreement. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRMAN iiARftIS DF]CLAftEi3 T� t�'I'ION CARRIED tJNANII�fO[ISLY. , _ 7. RECE1vE xl4IAI� RESOL�iCES ca�sS2orr r�IINVrES: oCTOSgt 5, 19q8: MOTION by Mr. Storla, seconded by Mr. Oquiat to receive the October 5� 1978 Human Resourcea Commission minutes. Mr. Langenfeld stated that the H�ea Resources Co�ission had come tqr with the ra2ea oP procedvres they were lookiag for. llh. Starla noted thst the Memorandum oP Agreement was ewered � pages 3, 4, ead 5 of the minutes. Theae pegea deal srith the "rules oF procedure" and Mr. Storla felt aure that this was what Was requested of the Commissioa.. 1+(s. Schnabel stated that ahe felt the handling of compla3nts s+as covered in qui.te a bit of detail, which weis s step forwerd fr� the original proposal. Mr. Langenfeld stated that he vras in full agreement witb Mr. Dobson's etatement regarding either a conciliation or formsl cherges. � � �, � PLANNINc, COh4�iIS&ION MEETTNG, OC'PO�ER 25, 1978 PAGE '% hbr. Hars�ia asked how the situstion xith Wickea was c�ittg. Mr. Lengenfeld stated that there was a statement ia the minutea that the individuel was unemployed� and wouldn't that be grounda to deny credit. Mr. Storla stAted that He thought emplaymeat was fair grounds because it was not lieted as unfair graunds. The individusl felt she wea being discriminated against because she was a vpmaa� aud Wickes stated they refused her credit because ehe rras unemployed. Mr. Peteraon stated that the minutea stated that Wickes policy vas that aqyone who was over 21 and employed Was eligible for credit, and obvious]y she did not fit vithin their guidel3nes, so he couldn't see where there was discrimination. Mr. Storla agreed that there vasn't illegal discrimittation as Yar as he could see. Mr. Peterson stated that the w�y the minutea were xritten, it sounded tc him that Wickea had discriminated. Mr. Storla did not agree and stated that the ftuman Resources Commission felt that problema such as this arise becauge of the lsck of education of the public and people need to be educated as to what is legal discrimination and what is illegal discrimination. ' iJPON A VOICE VOTEf ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLAILD TSE MOTION CARRiED UNANZMOUSLY. 8. REGEIVE COMMIJNITY AEVELOPMIIVT C�MMSSSTON I�IINVPES: CICTOEER 10, 1978: MOTION by Mr. Oquist� aeconded by Mr. Peterson to receive October 10, 1978, Coummuaity Development Couaniasion mi.nutes. Mr. Oquist stated that the Coa�unity Developmnent Coarmiasion had started working on the Proposed Changes io thc Zoning Co3e a� had' made it through the Definitions. Mr. Oq,uist atated thet the Coa�issioners were not prepared to discuss this at their meeting because it was delivered to the homes with no instructions as to what wes tc be done with it. But they did make it through the definitions� and Mr. Oquist felt they had done a goai job. Ms. Schnabel stated that the Appeals Co�ission had a special meeting on October 2k, and will have another special meeting to diacuse the changes� and apprecie'Eed having tha Co�uaity Develap�ment- Cw�isaion minutes to use 8s a guideli�. Mr. Oquist noted that they had diacussed MnDClP and had som�e of the same concerne as the Environmental Qualit,y Co�oission. Mr. Langeafeld asked Mr. Boerdmen ii a Co�ission member attenda the-MnDOT heering� would the Commisaioner be representing his commiesion or the City� and could e commiasion member attend the hearing as s coam�ission member and atate their con- cerns, or must they beco�e a"citizen" instead. PLANNING COh4d2S$IOIP MEE'PING, �$� 25, 1978 pncE 8 Mr. Boardman atated that as a commission member, you mould be in eYfect repro- aeutiag th'e City, because co�isaions are representative balies of the City Councfl, therefore sny statements you would make or arql positiar you would take should be looked at by the City Council. Mr. Oquist stated that on page 4, the Yirst paragraph, they were not comcerned nbout aoise generated from the rai2road, but frcm along the highway. Mr. Oquist stated that they sre finding that the barriers are Yiae Yor the people living along the high�ray, but the peop7.e e few blocks away fSnd the noise is worse. Mr. Langenfeld stated that in regaxds to aoiae abatement, there are ststerand Yederal regul,ations thst must be adhered to ehenevcr highway construction takea place such as certain kinde of msteriel for surfacing� etc.� a�i wl.th this par- ticular procedure an environmental impact statement might be ia order. Mr. Boardmsn statcd that it wouid definitely require an environmental impect atatement. Mr. Langenfeld atated that he had noticed in the minutes thst Connie Modig had expressed concern regarding tho walkw�y�bikew�y system� and seked Mr. Oquist if he Yelt his Coa�,ission had been bypassed in this particu2ar iastance. Mr. Oquiat atated that they had made a point in two sets oY minutes to bring that out and had received a letter from Mr: Dick Sohieck giving reaspns why it rrea uot atriped, but did not give reasons why they �rere not 3nFormed while it vas happening. Mr. Oquist ststed that they hoped they had made the paint that before aryything was done on s bikeway/walkway they would 2ike to be informed. Mr. Peterson stated that as chairman oP the Parks and Recrestions Commiss5.on, they are also concerned about the bikeways and walkwqys� and woutd elso like to be informed. Mr. Boardman stated that they Were still going along with their plan to get them oYf the street„ and they were budgeted Por curb-cu#s next year and it wou].d be a year to a year and s ha1P bePore they get the bikes off the street. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CEiAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TI3E M(�ION CARRIID UNANIMOUSiY. 9. RECEIVE TNFORMATTON KIT: 'PHE ME'1ROPOLITAN COUNCIL�S FAMILY HOtxSING PROGRAM: MOTION by Mr. LsngenPeld, seconded by Mr. Peterson to receive the Information Kit: The Metr.opolitan Council's Family Hwsing Program. Mr. Boardman stated that this was just Yor the Commission�s inYormation� and that he had given this to the City Council and the City Council had turaed dman the pro- gram twice� and he felt this would explaia the program more. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALI, VOTII� AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLAREU THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. � ..�. _ _ PLANNII9G COt+T7ISSI0N I�TING, �CTUU�F�i 25, 1q78 . 0- YACE� 10. OTFIER BUSINES3: A. Mr. Langenfeld stated tLat a letter of resignation �ras included in tha egende book� end his Caa�issiaal hsd moved to receive the letter� and eae talciag action to have the City Council replace Mr. Sabistina. B, Mr. Boaxdman distributed copiea of a booklet fra� NSP regarding city plenning to the Co�issioners for their informstion. C. Mr. Boardman statea for the inYormation of the Comm.issionerx, they did submit two applications far grants to the Metropol3tan Council, oae was for acquiaition of a portion of Sears property and the other eas Yor a building for S�ring Brook Nature Center. We ranked �2 on the Spring Brook Nature Ceater building� and �'"j on the Sears progerty acquisitioa. Both fsll within the funding limita� and they would be making final applicatioa on both of th� e. 'They elso submitted an application for bonus block grant monies, one for $130,000 for acquisition of substandard units, and enother for $120,000 for rehabs. The rehabs are out of the running� and acquisition oP substandard units may get partial Punding. They funded 14 and xe ranked #15, and there was about $37�000 to $AO,� left after the first 14, so vre mqy get one or tvo unite. D. Mr. Oquist aaked Mr. Boardman who their new staff inember would be. Mr. Soardman stated it wauld probab7y be Mr. Chuck Vanda. E. Mr. Aarris stated he had gone to Council regaxding the Eaergy Project Committee� and had gotten approval for clerical time. F. Mr. Harris ststed he had also discussed the Special Use Permit sad they would be getting copies of those ceses so they can read them� and it Was the atterney's opinion they should not really change their policy on their delib- eration of 5pecial Use Permita, and continue the way they hsve in the past. G. Mr. Harris stated that he had discuased the Sign Ordi;Eiance also. They felt that regarding the variance procedure, there should be some formula regarding the Pree-standing, on-site, advertising signs,�excluding billboards, to adjusi the size of the signs in reTationship to the size of the buildi.ng� and the aize of the property. Mr. Fiarria stated that if they were going to do it� they should do it as a policy thing, in guidelinea, not as an ordinance change. Mr. Aarris atated that he thought the variance procedure was a good way to keep a handle on things. The Council would like a palicy and guidelines re� gaxdiag this. Mr. Boardmaa stated that if they were going to do that, they should mske an ordinance cHange. Mr. Harris stated that m�ybe they should heve maximum size oY 80 foot in the ordinance� but they can get a variance if they meet certain criteria. Mr. Boardmen stated that he dxsn�t like to get away from the "hardship" type cases thst appear before the Appeals Commission. If you start setting exceptiona to the ordinance, the ordinance should be changed to include the exceptions. PLANNING CON�ffSSION MEETING, OCTQBER 25, 1978 PAGE 10 � Mr. LattgenYeld and Mr. Peterson agreed witb Mr. BoarBmea. Mr. Harris suggested that they go hame and think about iC� and they vould talk about it agein. MtYPION by Mr. Peterson, aeconded by Mr. Oquist to adjourn the October 25, 1978� anning Co�issioa Meetiag. iJPON A YOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN AARRIS DECI�ARIII THE MEETING ADJOCktNID AT 9:35 P.M. Respectfully Submitted: ��.�� ,,��__ . Kathy Sh tott, Recording cretary �� . � � CiP7C OF FRIDLEY SPECIAL MEETING - APPEALS COMMISSION oCTOB�t 24 1978 CALL 4'0 OHDER: Chairwoman Virginio Schnabel called the October 24, Z978, Special Meeting of the Appeals Commisaion to order at 7:45 P.r�. ROLL CAX.L: I✓embers Present: Mr. Barna� Ms. Schnabel, M. Gabel Members Absent: Mr. Kemper, Mr. Plemel Others Present: Ron Holden: Building Inspector 1. INITIAL REVIEW OF PROPOSED CHANGE5 TO CFIAPTER 205, ZONING The general l.sy-out of the document was discussed, and the Coaunissian Members recoum�ended that the present Yormat be retained. The reasoning behind this was thst if a person wanted to build in a psrticular zone� everything pertainining to thst zone should he in oae section. I� parking, setbacks� etc. were in separate sections, there would be the possibility of missing something. The Co�ission Members concurred with the following reco�ended changes: 205.O1 PURPOSE Page 1� first paragraph: Delete the word "morals." 205.02 G�ALS Page 1, �2: Delete Goal #2. Page 1� �3: Change to: "Ta promote sound land management and order]y development and�or redevelopment of the coauannity." Page 2� #1Q: Change to: "To maintain the City's image." 205.03 DEE'INITIONS Page 2, Old #3: Betain "Apartment" and deYinition" Page 2� �4 AUPOMOBII� MAJOR REPAIFi: Title is confusin�. Page 2, #5 AilPOMOBILE SERVICE STATION; Title is confusing. Page 3: Co�ission Membera woixld like definition oF "Auto Salvage� Auto Wrecking". Paoe 3, #20 BUSLDING: Delete word "chattels." Page 3, Old �11 BUILDABLE AREA: Retain "Buildable Area" end def3nition. SPECIAL ME�TTNG - APPEALS COt+IMISSION. OCTOBER 24, 1978 PAGE 2 Pa�e 3� #13 CELLAR; Delete "Cellar" and definition. Page 4� #19 CD:tNE�t L(Yr; Change heading to: "Lot, Carner." Page 4� �!24 DQUBLE FROIVTAGE LOT: Change heading to "Lot, Double Frontage." Page 4: Commission Members would like deYinition oY "Condominium.'.' Page 5, �L6: DidES,LING, LIMITID; Delete words: "Nwther-in-law Apartment" and "witbin one generation oY." Page 5, #27 DWELLING, ONE-FAMILY; Change to; "DWELLING, SINGLE FAMILY: A r�etached building de�igned exclusively for occupancy y a s le Pami]y." Pa�e 5, #30 DWELLII� Ul�32T: Change definition to read same as Maintenance Code as Ppllrn+s; "nWELLING UNIT; a si.ngle unit providing complete 3ndependent living Pacilities Yor one or more persons including permanent provisions for living� sleeping, eating� cooking and sanitation," Page 5, #31 FAA7ILY: B; Change to: "A group of not more that � persons who need not be relsted by blood, marriage or adontion� living together as a single housekeeping unit." Add or subsitute a definitian for "Occupancy Limit." The C�nissioners will try to define "Occupancy Limit"� and Ms. Schuabel will talk to Jerry Boardman sbqut this. Page 6� #39 cpRl�E, REPAIR, and �+0 GARAGE� LARGE REPAIR: These 'Cwo are similiar to � AUlOMOBILE;MAJQR REPAIRt and #5 AI)1'OMOBILE SERVICE STATION and these couZd possibly be combined. Page 6, Old �29 HOSPITAL AND SANITARIUM: Retain "HOSPITAI, AND SANITARItQ9" and definition. Page 6� OId #30 AOTEL: Retain "HO'1`E'L" and def3nition. Page 6, #43: The Co�ission Member§ questioned this de.finitioa and would like to have it re-defined. Pa�e 6� �1+4 KENNEL; The Commission Members would 2ike this @efinition checked a�ainst the Animal Control Ordittance. .Page 7, �45 KENNEL: CONII+�?CTAL: The Commission A?smbers would like this definition checked against the Animal Cotttrol Ordinaace. Rage 7� Old #32 LABORATORY: Retain "LA50RATORY" and definition. Page 7: Commission Members would Iike #19 COF2NER LOT, and #2�e DOUBLE FRONTAGE LOT moved to this page wit6 their heading changed to: �lg LOT� CORPIER, and �24 LOT� DOUBLE FRONTAGE, SPECSAL MEETING - APPEALS COMMISSION, OCTOBER 2�+, 19Z8 - PAGE 3 Pnge 8� Old #43 MOTEL: Retain "P40TEL" and definition. Page 8, #56 Delete word "Means." Page 8� #57 PARKING S'PALL; Delete word "standard." Page 8; Cammissioners would like "OCCUPANCY LIMIT" added here with a definition. Page 8� -0ld #47 PUBLIC UTILITY: Retain definition and change heading to: "UTILPFY COMPANY.n Page 8, #5g; PtraLZC It�aOVEMEIV�r; Change heading to: "PUBLIC FACILITY." Commissioners questioned woxd "IMPROVEMENP," Page 8: Carmnissioners would like to add deYinitions of "SE`1'BACK� FRONT"� "SETBACK, SIDE" and "�ETBACK� REAIi." "SETBACf:a FRONT: the mi,nimal distance between the front property line and the front oY the structure as defined by this cale herein." Page }� �'j2 YARD� 5IDE: Delete word "full." Page 9, #61 5TORY: Conmmissioners questioned second sentence and would like it deleted. Page 9, Old #50 STRUCT[k2AL ALTERATION: Retain "STRiJCTURAi AI,TEE2ATION" and definition. This term is used in the Special Use Permit section. Page 9: Co�unissioners �ould like old #47 PUSLIC UPILITY moved here and F�ve heading changed to "UTILITY CQMPANX." Page 9, �7 VISION SAFETY ZONE: Change to: "the triangular area of a corner lot beginning at the intersection of the street curb lines� and thirty (30) feet slong each curb line, and then a straight line between the two points." Page 9� �68 WALKWAY OR SIDEWALK: Chaage to: "A deaignated surYace for pedestrian use." Page 9� #70 YARD: Delete taords "vnoccupied and unobstructed from the ground upward." Page 9� #'(1 YARD, FRONT: Change to:"A yard extending aeross the Pull width of the lot and lying between the front line of the lot and nearest line of the �rincipal building." Page 10, #'j3 YARD+ SIDE: Change to: "a yerd extending across the width of a lot and the prittcipal building extending Yrom the front yard to the rear yard and having a width equal to the shortest distsnce between the side line and the principal building." (The rrord "fu11" is deleted) SPPCIAL_MEEPING - APPEALS COMMISSION� OCTOBER 2�+, 197� PAGE 4 Chairwomau Schnabel suggested and the Commissioners agreed to have another special meeting to discuss the proposed changes to the Zoning Cale on Wednesday� November 1, 1978 8t 7:30 P.M. GYiairw�an Schnabel declared the meeting adjourned at 10;10 P.M, ReapectflulSy Submitted: �;ati�y' S��n, Rec�Secretary _ a CITY OF FRIDLSY ,• SPSCZai. �rlrac aprEnr.s co�ssloN, Nov�mrux 1, �978 CALL TO ORDER• �--.,—.r....: Chairwomoan Sciwsbel called the November 1� 19'78, Special Meeting of the Appeals Co�isaion to order at 8:00 P.M. ' ROLL CALL: Members Present: Ms. Scbnabel, Mr. Kemper, Mr. Barna Membess Absent: Ma. Gabel� Mr. Plemel Others Present: Ron Ho3.den I. PROPOSID CHANGES TO CHAP'PIIi 205 • 7AN2NG CODE: Ms. Schnabel read the definitions of "Fami]y" from the Minnesota Welfare Department. Ms. Schnabel stated that at the last xaeeting, they were concerned about having a definition for "Occugancy Limit". The Coumiissioners developed the Yollowing definition of "Occupancy Li.mit°: "For the purposE� oP health, safety and welfare, the required maximum ratio is two (2) persons per bedroom in a dwe7lin� unit". b�TION by Mr. Kemper� seconded by Mr. Barna to bring to the Plsnning Coommission the definition of "Pamil,y" and the deiinit3oa o� "occupancy limit" for their consideration and ask that a 1ega1 opinion be given on both deYinitioas. UPON A VOICE VOTE� AT+L VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCI3NNBEL DECLARED THE D�OTION CARRIID tJNANIbi0iJ3Llf . Tlze Commiss3oners concurred with the following recommended claanges: 205.OA1 DECLARATION OF POLICY Page 10� �1: Delete wozd "morals°. 205.043 NON-CONFORhffNG USES APID STR�T[fftES Page 11, �12: No junk yard m�y continue as a non-conforming use: according to this proposed zoning ordinance� a junk yard is alloweci an�Y in an M-2 zone with a Special"Use Permit� and the existing junk Yards currently in the M-1 zone are nat allowed even with a Special Use Permit� therefore it appears they would either have to re-zone the3r property or move. 205,Ok� LOT PROVISION3 Page J2, �2: ihere seem to be a couple of industrial lota where more then one principal build3ng exists such as Onan and Medtronics. Pege 13� #6: Chassge to read: Whexe the front yard setback oY eacisting buildings within a distance oY 100 Yeet on both eidos oY a strnc'tux'e to be erected ia more than the minim� front ysrd setback requi.red� then the aetback Yor the said building could be 6 feet lesa oY the mea:n depth. (delate words "moro or") In no cese shall it be less tk�an the required mini.mum setback for that zone". SPECIAL MEETING - APPEALS COPR+[ISSION, NOVEME3ER 1. 19'� - PAGE 2 i -" Page 34� 1►-A Front Yard: Add the Pollowing: "In special, instaaces thc Zoning Acluoinistrator mqy permit a setback oY not less than 30 feet pxovided that tho new setback is within 5 feet of the Yront yard setback of a�y adjacent atructurea. At tha October 24� 197$ Special bketing af the Appeals Commissian� a definition oY front yard setback xas developed. The deYinition was ae fo].7.ows: the minimal distance Prom the front property lot line to tha Pront oY the structure �s defined by this code. The Co�i.ssioners vould like to change the word "miuimal" to "minimum". 20�.045�ACCE530RY BUII�DINGS APID STFtUCTiktES P�Be 13, #3: �e Coimnissioners would like a definition of "rooY houses"� end reco�mnend height limitations on vrind m111s and flag poles. Page 14� �4: The Coammissioners rec�mnen3ed that this item be deleted. 205.047 AUPOMOBILE PARIff.NG Page 16� #3-D Apartment Hotel:' The Cam�missioners recammended that this item be either defined or deleted. Page 16, #3-M Hotel, Motel, Tourist Hsme� Mo'ior Hotel: The Commissioners t.rould like a deYinition Yor "TOUrist Hwie and "Motor Hotel". Page 17� #3-W: The Co�3.ssioners questioned the placement of "Miniaturt Golf" here� and wouZd like it justified. Page 17, #3-Y:Undertaking Establishments: Change heading to "Mortuary". Page 17: The Co�nissioners would like "Townhouses" in thxs:section with garages and parking considered in the deFinition� similiar to the definitiozx for two fami�y dwellings. Page 2.9, G. Change to: "ExeePt i.n all R-Zonest all parking and hard surfaee area sha]1 be:" 205.048 �OxMaNCE smarmaRns Page 20� �1-B: Delete word "morals". Page 20� #3-B-�: Delete ail of B-2. Page 21� D: Change to: "All loading and unlosding facili�ies nnzst be located in the rear or side gards� and be screened from a11 public right-of-ways or in within 50 feet of adjscent residentiel zone, must be acreened with a 6 Yoot solid screening fence." This is in accordance with I-2 on page 19. Page 22, G: The Commissioners would like to knrnr where the words "rear lot parking area" sre used elseWhere in tha document. Paga 22, H: Insert the word "wide" aPter "15 f'oot". Page 22, I: Inaert the word "wide" after "15 foot". Page 22, �4-C: Add word "drainege" to end. - � SFEC7AL MEE'PING APPEAL3 CO2�IISSZON, NOVEMBER 1, 19?8 PAGE_3 Page 22� #4-D; Ca�nisaionera reccmmend City Attorney check the wordiarg here. pege 22� �5: Coffinissioners reco�ronended that "A" and "S" be a�+itched arovnd; make "B" first and "A" aecond. Pa6e 23: �5-C: Insert raforestatinn plsn and performance bond requirements either here or else�*here in thia document. Page 23� �6-B: Coo�iqaioncra found the wording smbiguous and would lilce to know what "prevailing standards". Psae 23� �7-A: Delete worda "none except". The Co�.issionera suggested that a Be1Y-contained� environmentaYl,y approved, non-flush unit that dces not leech into ground level be considered here. The Commissioners wovld also like to have it aYfirmed that the local building administrators jurisdiction in this matter is legal. Chairwome.n Schnabel adjourned the November l� 1978, 5peMa1 Meeting oY the Appeals Cov�i.ssion at 11C00 P.M. RESPPsCTFUI.LY 5UBMI'ITED: t�y S lton��-� � ti�e ax'Y CITY OF FRIDZEX pppEALS COMMISSION MEETTNG NOVEhffiER 14 19'T8 CALI, TO ORDE�t: Chairvassa Schnabel called the November 1.4, �978, n�peels coomm�se�on Meetfng to order at 7:� P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Mr. Plemel, Mr• Kemper, Me. Schnabel� Me. Gabel, Mr. Barna Members Absent: Othere Present: f�C•� Clyde Moravetz MOTION by Mr.Barna� seconded by Ma. Gabe1 to approve the October 10� i978, Appeal8 Commission Mixsutea. Mr, garna etated that on page 7, second paragraph fraai the bottom� the f3rst sentence should be changed to read: "Mr. Barna atated that he hed no objectione to the 60 Yoot lot size because maqY lote in this area are on�Y 5� feet." Also� the third aentence in that psragraph sha�u7.d be changed �to read: "Mr. Barna stated thst as far as the river corridor variance� except for the floal plain Bart� as far as preservicg enYthinB: the preserved area is separated from_the lot by a road and a bicycle valkwaY•" UPON A V�ICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHA7RWOMAN SCHNt1BEL DECLARED THE MINUPES APPR07ID AS CORRECTED. APPFtOVE SPECIAL ME�E'PTNG APPEALS MCNITPES: OCTOaER 24, 1978: MdPION by Mr. Barna, seconderl by Ma. Gabel to approve the October 24� 1978, �ppeals Co�ission Minutes. UPQR A YOICE VQTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRHOMAN SCHf1ABEL DECLARID THE MOTIOId CARRID UNANIMOUSLY. APPROVE TIiE SPECIAL A'fIEEETSNG AYYC:ALS �vmnuaoiv.. ,•,�.....,.,.,. - -- --- NKYfION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Kemper to approve the epecial maeting minutes of the November l� 1976 APpeals Ca�mission Meeting. UPQN A VOICE VQTE� ALL VOTING AXE� tkVANIM0U5LY. l. CHAIRWdMA1V SCANAF3EL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIBD APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING, NO'JEh�IIi 14, 1978 - PAGE 2 NATION by Mr. Kemper� eeco�ed by Me. Gabel to open the publlc hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTIIrG AYE� CHA�KWOMAPI SCHNA9EL DECLARID THE PUBLIC HFJ�RIPG OPEN AT 7:45 P.M. Ms. Schnebel asked Mr. Czihrqy to cane for�+ard. Me. Scbnabel read the Admiaiatrative Stsff Regort as foll.oare; ADMINTSTRATIVE STAFF REPORT 7879-81 Firwood 4iay N.E. . A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMEtJT: Section 205.063 (4,D) Requiring on a doub'e frontage lot that the rear , yard setback shall be the same as the front yard minimum setback of 35 feet. Public purpose served by this requirement�s to allow for adequate open rear yard area shou7d any of the buildings in a doub7e frontage hlock face the rear street. . B. STATED HARDSNIP: . None stated. � C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVTEW: This reo,uest if granted wou7d a71aw the petitioner to build his garage in line witn the rest of the garages in this block. It gives the petitioner a place for storage, and would probably improve the looks ofi their yard. The only stipulation that we would make wauid be that they should share a driveway exit onto East Fiver Raad. Ms. Schnabel stated thst the C�iBSionera hnd a plat map oY 2�. Czihrqy's lot show.Lng uhere Mr. Czihrqy vrauld put the proposed garage and drivevay. Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Czihrqy to e�2ain vhat ha intended to do. Mr. Czihray etated that all ':he garages were lined up even and they would like to soatch tbeir garage up wi�th the othcr garages, snd need s vsriance to go back iar enough to do this. They would like to build a thsee-car garage in order to get thetr cars oPP the street and psrk them in a garege. A".s. Schnabel asked iY the other garages were 3-car garages. Mr. Czihrsy stated they were all 2-csr garagea. APP�pI,S COhA�ff3SI0N MEE'PING1 NOVEMBER lb� 1978 PAGE 3 Ma. Schnabel asked if Mr. Czihray intended to use the co�on drivevay xith the house adjacent to him. Mr. Czihray atated they vuuld keep tht eeme drivevay, and planned to cement it in up tp E. River Rosd. Me. Schmbel stated.that the draving stirnred a turn-around� and asked if Mr. Czihrsy xould keep it like that and would the neighbors ahare in the expense of the cement Work. Nlr. CzihrqY stated they would keep the turn-arnund, and he had not talked to the neighbors� but planaed to do the ce�nt vork bimselY. The cement wovld go right up to the road, and the Anoka County Courthouse people told him it would be all right as long sa it Wouldn't be higher than the road. Mr. Czihray stated that the neigh- bor'a driveway vas tar up to his lot line, end tha rest he rrould cement in. Ms. Gabel atated that irou].d not be a problem. Mr. Czihray stated he would get permiesion Yrom the neighbora, aince the entrywqy wss Por both homea. Ms. Schnabel stated they would want the dr3vew�y to remain coaguon to both homes becsuse viih so many driverrsys coming off E. River Road� it causes a hazzazd to traffic� a� they would like to keep as few entrances as possible direct]y on to E. River Road. Ms, Schnabel atated that if they grantec3 the variance� they xould make it a stipulation that the drivevay remain a shared driveway, Mr. Plemel asked iY there r+as a problem with lot coverage. Mr. Czihray etated that there vae 60 Yeet Yrom the back oY the other garagea to the house. Mr.Barna atated that there *aas not s stated hardship in the Administrative StafY Report, and since the rules and by-lawa state that there must be a hardships he would like one atated, Ms. Gabel stated that they had the eame problem at the last meeting, snd Wm ld liice the person who takes the variance epplications to be reminded that e hanishtp must be stated. Ms, Schnabel atated tYiat the hardship would be that the petitioner would like to b„i�� e garage in order to clean up the backyard and the variattce would be necessary to line the garage up vith the other garages. Mr. Czihrey stated that people are presently parkin� ia the back,yard and wuld like to have the garage to perk in rather than the baclqrard. Mr. Plemel stated he could understend the need for a garage in the vinter also. MOTION by Mr. Plemel� seconded bg Mr. Kemper to close the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CFtpIRNOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED Tf� PUBLIC FIEARING CIASED AT 8:00 P.M. APP'EAIS COMMISSIOtl MEE4'ING, NOVEN43ER 14, 1978 PAGE 4 Mr. Kemper atated he had no objection. Mr. Plemel atated that they had granted other variancea in that area� and could see the need for a garage, and Y�ad no objection. Mr, Ssrna and Ms. Gabel agreed. MOTION BY t�ir. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Plemel to recoam�end for approval to Counci2 the reauest Por varlance pursuant to Chepter 2a5 of the Fridley City Code, to a11ow the construetfon of a 25' x 35' garage for a dauble bungalrn+ at 7879-81 Firsrood Way N.E. by reducing the required rear yard setback on a double frontage lot fr� the required 35 feet to 14 feet� vith the stipulation that the driveway remain a shared driveway with the property to the south. UPON A VOZC.z,' VOTE� ALL VQTING AYE� CHAIRFIOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MClPION CARRIID UNANIMOUSLY. Ms. Schnabel informed Mr. Czihray thet their request wou].d be heard by the City Cauncil on December 4� 1978, ancl suggested that they be gresent. 2. REQ?3EST FOR VARIANCE PURSUAIVT TQ CIiAPTER 205 OF THE FRIDLL'7C CTTY CODE� TO AI,LOFl ss nm. 5y�+34� . M�?SZON by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Bsrna to open the public heering. UPOI3 A YQICE POTE� ALL VpTIPX; AYE� GIi�IRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PU5LTG ?iF:RRIiyG t�PEN AT 8:0� P.M. Ms. Schasbel aske3 Mr. Traezik to step forward. hfs. Schnsbel read the Administrative Staff Report es follows: ADMINIS7P,ATIyE STAFF REPORT . .._ .... 5450 5th Street N.E. A. Pt1BLIC PURPOSE SERVEO BY REQUIREI�IENT: Section 205.073, 4, B..(3) r2equiring a mtnimum of 35 foot side yard setback fro� a side street of a corner lot. Putilic purpose served by this requirement is to maintain adequate side ydrd setbacks and aesthetic open areas around muitiple d�velling structures. 6. STATED }IARDSHIP: Reed a side yard variance of� i'feet (35' to 2II') in order to build a 4-plex apartment bui7ding on the iot. C. ADMINTS7RATTVE STAFF REVIEW: _ Tt�e buiidab�e frontage of this lot wauld not permit the �onstruction of d 4-plex of this townho�se design arithout a variante. The vaidth of each unli is 18 feet and could not be practicably reduced. • .�_-�.� AP?'EALS COt�AfIS5I0N MEETZ7�, NOVEhBER 14, 1978 PAGE 5 lte. Schnabel aekesi Mr. Traczik to explain vhat he intended to do. Mr. Traczik stated he had thought 20 feet vould be sufficient, but xith a rental unit� he needed 35 feet. He would like to build a 4-plex with the units above and below each other� irith the bedrocme doun and the bathrooms, living rpoms and kitchens up. Thie type of unit cuts down on noise, and the City iikea them better. The unita are 7.8 feet wide and 30 Yeet deep. The lower leve2 is'like a split-entry, with half in the grwnd. Ms. Gabel asked hanr high the structure vould be. Mr. Traczik stated it vould be 16 feet� no higher then a regular eplit-entry home. Mr. K�per asked where the acceas to the garages would be. Mr. Traczik stated access vould be Yr� the alley. Mr. Plemel asked if the alley vas hard suriace. Mr. Moravetz stated that the alley vas Lard surfaced and wae maintained by the Gity. Mr. Kemper asked Mr. Traczik iP he vsa building this unit for speculation. Mr. Traczik atated that he planned to live in the unit in a couple yeara, sfber his kids finished school. Ms. Gabel aeked whst the rent would be. Mr. Traczik atated he planned on $375 per month� but it could be more. Ms. Schnabel asked other interested parties to ecane Yorward and explained to them .vhat Mr, Traczik intended to do. Mra. LeDuec, Mra. JakuUec, and Rev. Brzsstrewsik frcm Sacred Heart Chuxcri came Porvard and etated thst had received the aotice asd were not sure xhat it meant. Ms. Schnabel explained why they had received the notice, ead they had no objection to Mr. Traczik building there. Mr. Harlan King, 5�+30 5th Street N.E. stated that he �a very much in favor of the building. Mr. Harlan King stated that he sad Mr. Daniel Couture ovn Dan-Lan Dev. Corp. and the Corporation awns bis house. Mr. King stated that his notice stated the vsriance wae needed for a rear yard aetback and the lot was double frontage and it should be a. side-yard setback. Ms. Schnabel ststed that the variance ahould be Yor a eide yard setback and the Camen3ssloners' cop2ee oP the notice indicated side ysrd. Ms. Schnabel thanked them Yor brfaging this to their attentioa. Me. Schnabel asked Mr. Traczik if he owned Lot k in addition to Lota 1� 2 and 3• Mr. Traczik stated that Dan-Lan Develapment Corporatioa ovas Lot �+� and thst it is a 40 foot lot. Ma. Sehnahel ssked if Lot 4 vas part oY the legsl deacMption ia conjunetion x+ith the.house that is there. APPEALS COMMTSSION t�PING, NOVEi+1BER 14, 1978 PAGE 6 Mr. King etated that they have en abetract on the 40 foot lot, and it ha� nothing to do with the mortgage on the htmme on t�at lot. Mr. Barna etated thet there w&a a concensus on 40 foot lots� that there shou2,d be an attempt to purchase additianal. property iP it was available, and thia would be creating the situation where there ues a Balable 4Q foot lot previous, but after this variance is paeaed� there wovld nm longer be additional property available to the north oP this k0 foo't lot. Mr. Mpravetz stated that thia was in a R-3 Zone. Me, Sekmabel ssked Mr, t�ravetz if the size of the three lots had been checked. Mr. Moravetz stated that the three lots were large enough to acaomodate the �i-p1ex, Ma. Schnabel atsted tbat a 2ot aree oP ne�t less ths�n �.5,640 square Peet is required Yor a four Yami.]y dwelling, ar,d the three lots tat�l 14,988. Mr. Traczik atated that the lots rrere actually over 15,000 square feet, that Stsff came up �rith I10 x I3p ead Mr. Traczik's figures shct�ed I15 X a3o. Ms. Schnabel stated that 115 x 130 vould be 14,950 squsre feet. Mr. Plenel stated that if there were three �+C? foot lots, it must be 220 x 130. Mz�. Moravetz stated thst the norther�y most lot is over 38 ieet wide, so it would be over 15,000 aquare feet. Ma. ScYmabel stated that the Certifi.cate of S�u�vey shoxed 215 x 130, and the half- sectionE indicste one �+0 foot, �e 4A foot and one 38.75 feot, which vould put it over 1$,O�C square feet. Ms. Schnabel stated that befnre thie item gcea to Council, thie should be verified. Mr. Kemper esked what objectiona the Board kiembers had to leaving a land-locked 40 foot lot between this 4-plex and the hause next door. Ms. Schnabel stated that if the three lots `+ere sl2ort the proper square footage required, that perhaps the petitioner should attempt to purchase part of that 40 foat lot, in order to bring it up to lot size and that would perhaps meet the ordinance �w3.thout a varisnce. Ms. Sehnabel stated that the other thaught wae that xhen the ownes oP Lots 1, 2 and 3 builds on this praperty� it precludes the rnmer of Lat �F from being a�le to purchaee sdditianal lands Prom I,ot 3� in orrier to create a lsrger buildable site. Th3s discussion came sbout because it was highligbted in the Administrative Staff Reviev. tkr. Kemper in£vrmed Mr. Ki� and Mr. Couture thst historically� the City dcea n�t consider a 40 foot lot a bu3ldable site, an:i ns it standa now� approvals are not beiug granted to permit butlding on s�0 foat lot. Me. Schnabel stated thst a p.revi�ue request to build on a�+0 Yoot lot� which Was a corner lot, was denied. Ms. Schnabel stat,ed that they had not as yet handled a request to build on sn interior 1t0 io:�t Sot, end there vas �uet such a requcet on the asenda tonight. APPEAL5 CON�QSSIO� MEETING, NOVEMBER 14, 1978 - PAGE 7 Mr. Kemper atated that if the petiticmer could purahase pert�of Lot 4� he would not need e variance, and would like to kno�w 1Y thtit had been diecussed by the petitio�er snd the rnmer of Lot 4. Ms. Schnebel reiterHted thet the City vould not be in Yavor of building a dvelling on a vacant'+0 foot lot. l•h�. King atated that they did not plan on building on that 1ot because 1t vould not look right to hsve a ama1L house neut to the 4-glex. Mr. Couture asked that 1Y the garage on Lots 1, 2, and 3 were moved wer 10 feet, it would allow for a 50 foot lot rather than a 1+0 foot lot, and would the City give a variance for a 50 foot lot. Me. Schnabel informed Mr. Couture that he would have to get a lot-split from Mr. Tracziky and Would tlien have to keep the house far enough away from the lot line to meet the ordinanee or get a variance at the same time they Pequested the lot-sglit. Ms, Schnebel asked Mr. Traczik iP he had considered purchasing psrt oY Lot 4. l�Ir. Traczik ateted that he was not sure. Ms. Schnabel stated that Mr. Traczik might think it over because it would give him more room arou� his building� and wovld also eliminate a�+U foot non,-buildable lot. Ms. Schnabel atated that thie wuld go to Council and suggested that they all be there. Ms. Gabel asked that beYore the Council Meeting� it ahc7uld be determined what ves correct in terms of the survey. Me. Gabel askea Mr. Conture What he planned on doing with the 40 foot lat. Mr. Couture stated that at the time he rras purchasing the 40 Poot lot, he lme�r the person �rho wned the other three lots, and they were lo$t to back taxes, a�l he did not knox about that until after he had purchased the LO fart lot. Mr. Kemper stated that they could act on this variance, and if the osmers of the lota reeched an agreement� they vouldn't have to use the variance. MOTION by Ms. Gebel, seco�ied by Mr. Barne to cloae the public hearing. UPOH A VOICE VOTE ALL VdPING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARID THE PfIDLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 8:55 P.�a. Me. Gebel stated thst she had no problem vith the variance request as auch� but Would like the sqvare foo'taBe determined before the Counoil Meeting, and the lot rnmere vou13 have to reach an egreement on their osm� if they wished. Mr. Barna stated that the section map indicates 38.75 foot xidth� and that gives them enough lot, but the descreptancy shauld be noted. 3•Ss. Schaabel etated that if the petitioner purchas�d the edditional 40 feet, he would then have enough lot aize to enable him to build aa 8-plex� with a different deslgn. 16r, Kemper atated that if the ewrvey xae correct, they were only ofY 3f10 af 1$ o: tha requirement. APPEAIS COA4IISSION MEETING, NWF3�ER 1�, 2978 PAGE 8 Ms, Schnabel ststed that in terms etrictly of the variance request, she had no strong inclinstion to deny it becauee oP the fact t%at the adJacent land immediately north is vacant and will alwqys remain vacant hecause it abuts the freeu$y. The cloaest aYYected lot then Wou2d be either the property i�mnediate�}I to the south or �the property to the s+eet ecrosrs the alley. It had been established that there was more than 40 feet betveen the property to the south e.nd the proposed drrelling aad the property to the west is currently a large vscant piece aY 1s�. Mr. Kemper stated that he had no objection to the vaz�ianes. MOTION by Mr. Plemel, see�nded by Mr..Kemper to recarmnend for approval to Council the request for variance pursuant to Chapter 205 oY the Fridley City Code� to sllou the construction of a!+-plex at 5450 Sth Street N.E. by reducing the aide yard set- back fra�m a side street o� a corner lot fram the requ3red 35 feet to 28 feet� noti.ng that theze was a descrepancy betveen the survey ancl the plat map. UPON A VOICE YOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIID UNAI3IMOi3SLY . Ma. Schnabel informzd the petitioner tl�at thi� request woul.d go to Couacil on Dec�aber �+� 1978� and suggested tkiat the adjacent property o�mers be there also. 3, REQUES°P FOR VAFIANCE PURSUP,NT TO CHAP2'ER 205 eY4the FRIDLEY,CITY'CODfi, TO , 77 IIeech treet N.E.� Fr�dley, Mn. M9TION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Ms. Gabel to tabl� Item 3 of the Age�s until the petitioner can work �ut the problema with the drainage and utility easements existing in vacs�ed Gumwaod Street. UPQ�t A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL TiECLARID THE MOT'ION CARRIE�i US�AICIMOt7SLY. 4. MOTT0I1 by Mr. Kemper, aeaonded by Mr. Barna to open the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� pLL �OTII�'G AYE9 CHAJRNOMAN SCHNABEI. D�CLAR.�� THE PUBLIC F?EARII�X'= OPEN AT 9:05 P.M. �� APPE.AL4 CO1dMISSION MEE"PING, NO�EMi3ER 14� 1978 PACE 9 Ma. Scbmbel nsked the petitioner to c�e forward. Mr. Bruce Nedegaard� 111-k5th Avenue N.E. tlsme forverd. Me, Schnabel read the Adminiatrative Staff Report as follan+st A6MINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT 4626 2nd Street N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.053 (4A) Requiring a minimum of a 35 foot front yard setback. 5ection 205.053 (1B) Requiring lots to have a minimum of 7500 square feet iF platted prior to December 29, 1955. Section 2�5.053 (4B)(2} Where a house is built without an attached�gara9e on lots up to 60 feet wide, a minimun side lot requirement sha17 be necessary to 10 feet on one side and 13 feet on the other side so that there vrou7d be access to the rear yard for a possible detached garage � at some future date. Section 205.054 (2A}(1) A one story single fami7y dwelling unit of three bedrooms or less shall have a minimum of 1020 square _ feet of living area. Public purpose served by the above requirements are all related to serving the purpose of providing open space normal to suburban living. B. STATED HARDSHIP: We have need for the variances shown and have a hardship because the ?ot size is too small to build a house large enough to meet standard codes. The house that is now on the lot must be destroyed because it is unfit for living and is an eye sore to the existing neiMhbors. The new house will create a better neighborhood and increase the tax basis for tha City. C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: There is presently a house on this lot. It is about 20 feet from the front property line and approximately 14 feet from the north iot line. The house is 16' x 45'. It is i� very bad condition and should be_ removed from the siie. The lot is 40' by 129'. The petitioner has requested several variances and would like to buiTd a new home 40' by 24' and a detached garage 16' by 24'. The lot to the north is also a 40 foot lot and presently has a home 24' by 38' located l� feet off the south line and is 25 feet from the rront property line. The lot to the south is a 80 foot lot and has a house and garage. The driveway for this house adjoins the petitioner'S lot and the house is setback 35 .feet. pPPEAIS COI�4tISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 14, 1978 PAGE 10 If all the requested variances were approved, the new house would be 30 foot back (midway between the existing homes on�either side}. It wouid be four feet closer to the north line and the same distance (l0') from the south line. If the variances are approved, the petitioner shouid be requested to remove both strucutres within a reasonable length of time (60 days). The staff can see some merit in approving tfiis request and it is quite dffferent from previous variance requests on 40 foot }ots in that it is an interior lot (others were corner lots;. We would also rid ourselves of the existing structures that presently exist on the lot. Ms. Schnabel noted that the Ca�iasioners had a picture af the house present]y on t2�e lot} alao an aerial photo�raph and a draving oY the proposed drrelling. Ma. Scbnabel asked Mr. Nectegaard if he currently owned the lot, and the house on it. Mr. Nedegsard stated that hb ha�. en option on the property, with the consideration that he be sble to get a Building Permit, Mr. Nedegaerd stated that he livea two housea s�ra,y from the 40 foot lot� and he was building thia as a spec house. Ms. Schnabel asked iY the house wss presenti,y occupied or vacant. Mr. Nedegaard stated that the lsdy who vras living in the house was currently fn a nursing home, and that she had rented the house. The house was in bad shape� �ri.th mice and rats. Mr. Nede�;asni stated that the n�ighbors had approached h3m ar�d asked that he build an thP lot. There c.�aa a ve12 in the back yard for kisis to fall in and since he took the opt3on� he had cleened it u�f and cut the grass and had secured the we2l. and the baek ahed, for ihe protpctian of the kids. Ms. Sahnabe2 stated t�at the house next door aae 24 Peet wide and he would like to bu31d a house 2k feet wideD according to the Btaff Report. Mr. Nsdegssrci stated that Mrs, Ruth Ewans} who osrnes the house next door� had a survey and her house xas 25 feet wide, so the house next door would be one Poot Wider than wbst he intended to put on that lot. Mr. Ne�egaard stated that he h&d discussed the proposed dt+elling with Ms. Evans� and she would be in favox oY it, except he was planning to put the drivewqy on the other side of the house rather than next to her drivet+ay, smi she would rather have the proposed drive�y next to hera creating a double driveway situation� and he had no qualms with this� beeause it was hard for her to get out of her d�ivew�. Ms. Sebnabel stated that if he did that, he wou],d then go to 6 Yeet on the south side. Ms. Schnsbel noted thst the kot neut door s�as an 80 foot Iot, but it was visual],y deceiving. Mr. Nedegenrd stated that he ha3 messured it snd it wes 80 feet. � APPEALS CONQSISSION MEE'PING, NOVEAIDER 14, 1978 _ - PAGE 11 Ma. Schnabel stated that the house to the north ie on a S+0 foat lOt a� wae recently conatructed, Within about 15 years. Mr. Nedegaard etated that the on�y reasc� he had asked Yor a front yard setback was to line things up. Ma. Schnabel asked that if Mr. Nedegasrci flipped his plan aixi put the drivew� next to Me. Eveas driveway� and had tvo driveways side-by-8ide� �rould he then put kiis driveway right up to the lot line. Mr, Nedegaard stated that �b rras not fond oP that situation, but underatood the problem Ms. �rans had, since her driveway drops oYf into thst property. Her drive- wa�y ie on the lot line. jQs, Schnabel asked if he intended to put the garage on at the time he built the lwuse. Mr, Nedegaani stated that he planned to do that. Ms. Gabel asked ahat kind of house he was planning to put on the lot. Mr. Nedegaard stated it Would almoat identical to the one next door� and he had not brought his house plans with him. Ms. Schnabel asked if the neighbors Yaad approached him regarding the lOt. Mr. Nedegeard stated that when the Yor sale si� vent up� the neighbors started calling him. Ms. Schnabel asked that regarding existing hovses on 40 foot lots� iY s house becames � or more destroyed, it cannot be rebuilt oa a�+0 foot lot. Mr. Moravetz stated that Be had talked to Mr. Herrick, the City Attorney regarding this and hfs. Herrick stated that if the varisnces were granted, there should be a notation that there was a hoase existing on the lot� and that it �aas in very bad condition and was affecting the general aesthetics of the neighborhood, end in granting the variances� it would improve the werall neighborhood. Mr. Herrick also atated that if the Coromissioners had problems with grantin� this reque�t� he �rould work with Staff and draYt a report. This particular request did not fall into the category of someone randau�y purchasing 40 Yoot lots to build houses for s.ale. Ma. Schnabel esked what the situation eas in i�yde Park regarding �+U foot lots. t+Sa, Gabel atated that it seemed to her that iY a house burned down or sc�ething there� they vere going to alloe them to rebuild, but Ms. Gabel vas not sure i.f anything �ras specifically vritten into the ordinance. Ms. Gabel looked up the ordinance and read it as follows: "Existing otte family dwellings that do not conform to the conditions of this oxdinance vill be allowed to continue as a permitted use. Ia the event that the msin strueture is either dsmaged or destrayed, the existing use will be allowed to rebuild to the setbacks of the existing building or to the alloved aetbacks of the zone. Alterations or additions xill be allowed whett they imQrove the liveability provided they mee� the required setbacks so stated in thie chapter:' APPEAIS COMMISSION MEE.TING�NOVEt�BER 14� 1978 PACE 12 Ms. Schnabel atated that at ths time the Cao�iasioners xere asked by the City to revierrrrhether or not the `;ity Would allow building on 40 foot lota, the C�unity Development Co�iseion was pretty sciamant abou� permitting bullding on 40 Yoot lota i£ there were no variancee� other than lot square Yootege. Mr. Barna stated thst what they said xas that if ypu could build on a lot a salable houae that would not have front, rear or eide yard setbacic varisnce� they vo�ld have no problem vith it. Mx. Ruth Evans, 4528 - 2nd Street N.E. came fon+ard and steted that uhen sht pvrciased ber haane, it wea e apec hauae. Mr. Moravetz stated that tds. Evans house vss buil� in November of 196�� and there vere no variances as the cale allwed it at that time. N,s. Schnabel asked t�3s. Evens how she feels ebout what Mr. Nedegeard proposed to do. Ms. Evans ststed that she approved oi everything except putting the house 6 feet Yran the lot line because her driveway is on a decline and could cause a proble� when it was slippery in the winter. If Mr. Nedegaerd reversed his plans so thst the 1� Yeet Would be on her south and his north r�nd the tvo driveways would be together, that would work better for her. Slae had no objections to building on the 1ot. Mr. Nedegaszd stated he Would have no objections to doing that. �. Barne saked Ms. Etrans tf ahe would prefer to have the house built or wovl.d she prefer a vacant lot. Ms. Evans steted that ahe would prefer the houae. Mr. Plemel asked Ms. E`vans if ehe felt it would be too much crcwd9.n�. Me. Evans eteted ahe had lived with the 40 foot lot situatioa for i7 years xith n� problems. 26r. Moravetz stated that the City had received no 6bjectiona from anyone regarding this requeet. Mr. Kemper asked wha the present owner of the house was. Ms. Evans stated that the houae had alwqys been rented. Ms. Schnabel noted that �there was a letter in the f31e signed by the owner, Gladys A. St.�itzer acknowledging tkiat Iiedegaard Construction wss spplying for the variances and that the present bouse would be removed for the con�truction o£ a nex dwel].iag. Ms. Gabel saked what Would happen if the variance requeste were denied. Mr. Morevet2 statArl that 1t would probably be condemned, and at some time 3a the Yuture be removed an; wo;ild then beco�e s vacent 40 foot lat. APpEALS CONtMIS5I0N t�ETING, NOVEMBER 14� 1978 __ _ PAGE 13 Mr. Barna aeked if there wee sewer aud weter am thet lot. Mr. Nedegaerd steted that the City inspectara hed verified thie. Mr. Moravetz concurred. MOTION by Mr. Plemel� eec�nded by Ms. Gabel to close the publlc..hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DEGLARED THE PUBLIC f�ARING C7ASED AT 9:k0 P.M. Mr. Kemper noted thet tbe existing house vas 16 x�5. Na'• KsmPer also noted that the elternatives vou}:d be to either grent the variances or der{y the variances, in which csse the house�::�ould eventually be condemned and it woul.d apparently take some ti� to do this, and they would then end up with a vacant interior 40 foot lot. Mr. Barna stated that anather alternative Would be that if the present owuer could qualify for a low inec�e imprrnrement loan, they eould improve the present hcme and live there Cr rent it out. Mr. Barna stated that he felt the first alternative� to grant the variancea, �+as the m0st desirable. Ms. Gabel stated that she ahared the concept of getting rid of the eyesore and the saPety hezzards it poses, but comparing an interior to a corner lot, t&e 40 foot corner lot actually has more space beceuse oP boulevards than an interipr �+O foot loL. Ms. Gaoel stated that she had a problem with tnis because dt required 6 variances to build on thie lot and it had been determined in the C3ty that f+0 foot lots are too emall. Ms. Schnabel stated that tbe other Yactor vould be that iY there were e series af 40 Yoot lots with atructures it would be one situstion, and here the aituation would be that there was a 80 foot lot on one side and s 40 foot lot on the other side. Ms. Schnabel stated that atanding in fTOnt of the house� it was hard to visuslize that the lot next door was actually a 80 Yoot lot. Because of the neture of the aeighberhood, with the exiating house on it, it doesn't look that crowded. With a new hcuse.on it, it may change things� but all they are actusl,�y doing ds going 4 feet uider am the front of the house. Ms. Gabel 5tsted that granting these variances would be inconaistent with preseut policy that they should not be building on �0 Yoot lots. Mr. Plemel esked if actien taken here would affect the court case. Yh�. t�ravetz stated that he had discussed this with Mr. Herrick, and Mr. Herrick had stated that he didn�t see aay prob�em rrith 3t since it would clesn up the aeighbcrhood aud eliminate the safety bazzarde� and since there was a structure on it at present. Mr. Plemel stated that his initisl reaction was the same as Ma. Gabels' but it aeems tbe situat3on *.ras that a contractor was attempting to vork with the neighbors to i.� prove a bad situation� and granted there were 6 variances� but it seemed the besL sltemative. APPEALS Cot�fIS�.ION MEETINr,, NOVEt�sER 1�, 1978 PRCE 24 Me. Gabel etated she vould hsve no prob3em Sn grenting a v�riance to improve the present structure, 6ut what they Wov].d be doFng eou].d b� granting variances for new construotion, and trist had t�een d3acusaed at mez�y meetinga, Ma. Schnebel asked what the aize of the lots to tbe north rrere. Mr. Nedegasrd atated that the:e were three other 40 Yoot lota Yacing 2nd Street. Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Nedegaard if he hsd talked with the people on the 80 foot lot hext door. Mr. Nedegaard etated that they were one of the Pirst to call him about builAing on the 40 fart lot e�i they were very much in favor of it. Mr. Moravetz reiteraterl that t6is woul.d be the four$h house on a�(Y foot lat in.this immediate area. Ms. Schnabel asked if Mr. Nedegaarrl had spec3fie plans for a 960 square foot house, and what it woutd be like. Mr. Nedegaa�i stated the houae ..ould be almost id=rtical, to the one ttext door and wou13 sell fer abaut �� W0. Mr. Barna stated that he felt thet Mr. 1Vedegasrd would be building a nice-looking saleble bc�use which vould be an enhancement to the neighborhood and an improvement over What aas presenti,y there which was not on�y visually an eyeaore, but p'nysicall,y hazzardous. Mr. Kemper ststed he would be in favor of.granting the variances because it wo�ld be getting rid of a health and asPety problem, and not because it was on a 40 foot lot. iiis deci::ion would probab],y be different if there �rere not house on the lot presently. Mr. Plsmel asked Mr. Nec?egaard that if the variances crere approved �hea t�e p2anned on building and vhen he vould remove the present structure. Mr. �tedegaard etsted thut bui2ding would @epend on the weather, but would remove the atructure as soon as possible for the safetg of his ovm kids and the other kids on the bloak. Ms. Gsbel steted ti�at ahe woul.d vo�e no so that it would go before City Council. Me. Schnabel asked Mr. Nedeg�qrd i� he had tried any other house plana on this lot in order to avoid scme of t�iese variances. Mr. Nedegaard atated that the front ysrd setback could be lePt out9 but it vould iook funqy ar,3 the City inspector Agreed witl� him. And to build s 17 foot *,ride hause in order to avoid the side ysrd aetbacks wou3d not be too practical. Ma. Schnabel noted that this request was different from other requesta to builcl on a 4(? foot Lot because there �ere other �0 foot lota in the neighborbood with existing hc�mes. � APPEALS CON1�iI3SI0N MEETING, NOVEMBER 14, 19'T8 PAGE 25 Me. Gabel stated that in other instancee, the neighbora did not on the whole desire, it, rrhereas in this caee, the neighboro want it. Ma. Schnabel atated that Sa thie inatence there eppeara to be no other land available to iacrease the size of the lat. MOTIOti by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Barna to recoa�end for epproval to Council the request Yor variances pursuant to Chapter 205 of the Fridley City Code� to sllov the conatxvction of a dWe111ng on a LO foot lot at k526 2nd Street N.E. by reduciag the required lc.tt area from 75t)0 square feet to 5160 square feet, reducing the required front yard setback-fro� 35 Peet to 30 feet, reducing the sideyards� oae frcm the required 10 feet to 6 feet, the other fromi 13 feet to 10 feet� reducing the floar area Yr� the required 1020 square feet to 960 square feet, and increasing the lot coverage Yrom the maximum of 25 percent to 26 percent� with the stipulation that the present atructure be removed xith a reasonable length of time (60 days). Mr. Kemper stated he wuld like a letter from Mr. Herrick, the City Attorney� defining the exceptions in this case and the differences from other requests to build on a �+0 foot lot. Me. Gabel stated that she could see the need to remove the existing structure and realizes the fldvantages to the neighborhood of building a new structure� but vas still concerned about alloving buildir�g on a 40 foot lot. Mr. Barna stated thet he would be more comYortable �,*i.th a smaller, less expenslve house. UPON A VOICE VOTE, P�i. BARIIA� MR, FCEMPER� MR, PLEMEL YOTING AYE� MS. GABEL VOTTIvG NAY� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLAI?ED THE MOTION CARRIED k TO 1. Ms. Schnsbel inPormed Mr. Nedegeard that one of the reasons �:s. Gabel voted against the v$riances, was to make aure the request would go to Council Por Yinal apgroval, since e 40 Yoot lat xas involved. Me. Schnabel stated tbat ahe would like to ind3cste to Council the folloving reasoas for approving this request; There 3s an existing health and safety problem with the exiating structure on this prc�perty and the Commissioners feel it would be in the beat interest oY the neighborhood that tbe structure be removed as soon es possible. Once it rras removed� it appears to this Commission thet it would be a v3able plan to put s nev strueture on that lot. The new structvre would be compatible with other existing homes and lota in the neighborhood and in this particular case the neighbor- hood seems tp be favorably inclined to have a nev structure built on thet lot. The Conmmissioners Peel that the City Attorney should be requested to write a._letter defining the speciel circumstances surrounding this variance request, and huw those circumstances differ fr� an un-improved interior 4D foot lot, It has also been determined that there vea no adjacent available land vhich could be purchased tp increase the aize oP this lot. The lat xas presently served by City sewer and water. Me. Gabel atated that being aware of the legal problems the C3ty vae present�jr Paced with concerning 4� foot lats� and not having them resolved� is another reason for seme of her coucern. Mr. Kemper stated that hia vote Yor approval vas more a vote for reclemation of a bsd aitua�ion rafiher thaa tacit approval Yor bullding on a 40 foet lot. AF'PEALS COMMIuSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 14, 1978 PAGE 16 5. FINAL RECOMMEP�DqTIONS ON PROF''��ID CfiANGES TO CIiAF'PFR 2.05. ZONING: Me. 6chnnbel sup,geated that because the Planning Cpmmission Meet3ng on the 22nd s+ou2d probably be a sbort one because oP Thenksgiving, and because the only items diacusaed at that meetins would be to receive minutes, ahe vould like to meet at another time to diseuss the zoning chsnge�, The Coaanissioners agreed to meet on Tueadayy November 28 at �c30. Chairwoanen Schnabel dac2ared tbe Nwember 14, 1978 Appeals Commisaion Meeting aajourned et 10:35 P.M. RespectYully Submitted: �� j , /� , � � e: C,= eco ng Sec`retary �Ty' { � ^�a � . . 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'The �i�s�t►�al Qualit�"��.asioa opposed tke u�a�ad3ng; ss£ the Aaeka fi��s�t� �ta aa � � iate=airpart=um�.e�:`��foll�ia8 9uast#ans� �� l�+e saCfs�a�L��,� �Pwet�d.�� Mi,*. F�er$�Ra. `s�&�1 Ise waui� �o clesify tt�a��s vas s�tatement ikade ":`�!p} Mt.! .i.eeic a�$ ,:i�� ssot edtstitute a poefC3�;� �9 the Co�iss#�o¢. . . t�y . . . � . . � . v.. . . , �.�� ._ . i?:.� ' .. . °�t�. H��=aEStie4 �hat Ms. Johs��n's addres�.�� be correeted to ' `,��5'�t . #��.ats bf;sj3. � � `-i- , �$�t�i�q: ��ted Cb� e�a pa$a 2, wher.evar ��e was made ta "Pro- ��'�* i±� . ehezul�i -� ° .. _ ta "baskars . o;€ a �ah airpori" . ,. . �_�•-•_ .: '� ;.- ._� ; ° - ° , b3, ies haa. &P�S��; .seconde�d by C+mnfe 3le�ealf, ev aD?rove the : '�i�p'� s�pr&s►c�;� Qua�#t��iasion a�imutes as-�. Upon a voiae vote, " �,��•�t�'aye, �h �aagsn£eid;��e7,a�� be axotioa ca�ried. '�i��Y • .��_.� . `�-�`°ria'�.±t� �II' '�' . . , ` . . . . . . . . . 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Th¢ Gommfs that � �F f ��; ��V �6i{VO i3 . � �� ' � �� :� �� . i�.�lateka County wae ,� �,; ' i�is eaabled the � �; �o�nC � runvays � at =.��. doC11�AE � £OF � �j,C�iLYy C�k8i1$@ . . � i;eastt decisions outlined i��ey. `fht page 40 of: �e�d wae outlined as isi�n opazaCion classi-: gravea��Ce, which wse �,q s8'a:role cT�ange3 � ved:llgTiting. apraau, �id by'delving into ' ce�mediaCe meank. and it yThere wss.a lot o£ ;�as alarmfng how manp �tt �as �xy eha , had M�� 3�t�It�k3Cas� Gouncil i°uter�s�fate airporC was e hi��- tsage .for -a �.�ad, if they gaqe oxiaed �haC ki.nd of the puhiic had daae h�d beeri awaxe of. ke� p�rsue this fnrther, sh� had attended a a Mag 3.1, 1978> aC s;��2s thera w$s a dele� � d i4cGaa, Ma3�ager for Se�oadary A1spa€Ce �el wese : �ere. �. Sporre s#a#�ci she ct �t what saa& bei�g Fr��sed was,:extiadisig ��ee� and s].lc�it�, wStl� the pxesent xuas�sy, OQ ieet . ghei.ir , for doi.ag this siae omeriCal impact cn�t t�o-e north resfsienCa. � �.. il� ��.�rL...u.� "a .h[5JY t..�♦. ��. Iw wu..1.1: . . . rt+iC be isSe�: ltte`.�e�i�ct�aLS :�auad 1itt1� z�ass�rance ia tfieat. TCE`. � AYE C w' E�FE D;DECiARED - N Tfl R� " �H�E+iSOIf`S `IF'T� , � f1�G .DOEC1t3EP�t3 ' �" e stated s�#t��iad- a�rfteea etateme�t- £zsmm Ma. Saa Sctisals, �aod Road. ivt.a�lc#s l�b. Scha�ls= nut that wi'th Che itaa' De�,�lo��E: �uide" a2�:rwizrg expausf,x+a- to B,QidF) £eet, Lo etop MAC`' i`�+aa Y�taoutag the p�,ia�yrl ,n's whea they fau�d; i�ea§�e ta �+ave shortar runvaqsY t3s. S$orre atated thi� c�s: ay ko the �fbxt tha� 19s . Scba��.s � at tlse ��t3,ng and �Ch�*�is b�7:3,a�ra�' tttls to b� a,��£�a�tt teB�fLy. 0 �; - � �, > ; ' � � .:: ; t A' , �: '��T� �?,�ht fL i±�ef 3 ' to apau �� 3�� ap�+ke�i �- .. ► �e�8 at �3�Et' .; � i7, 147#; �a _.�a hi$h�� t�: fi, .�_ � � � . ,:_ ��e 16 a�f, ,��i a c,; �t,:-ms . set�su,T, �s :�_:: �A�oa.vo.�.aai} �. �.±w. , �;.. �=�mqaa�tC C1iwuCa. - I�t an ai�p9rC. � �► Ma • Jotiaoaa� �o�:l��g gurtia�ss : �'a l�+gest ;iau�tr�r - � ��a �[�-.�i,cwd„aa of �`�.�.�iQi�.d-.� `. �� "s> glt$hC CLaa�, - I�7�cs�aLtana�.-,i ; r��1�acC-R+!�e�'t •3oergar ��1sC�s Galif.,° �.�5. +�c�� ati:b4n �aO{,�,�rgye``3ts�crt". _ � ;e�s� ite via� �t ia tl�s; it�u+ka :; �i�s:: t�m�e : in i951 :e�' . � tCh�i:t analy�#s � , �at -t�e cagacAt3r o#�` s. ��= further- ct�X+�+td �d- for ua��y �ar �1,7, 1978. f� `!� �Fe�"t're�.stas�_e�ati t�}t�i �a�s b°s �.�es �::�.�t �rs ��-. 't �° :� � ?f ��s, �,} a °�v�e � ��vla.xe�a�k�:aA a�as�+�ri �t=�+/�� Ch�,t4�er��t�.- ` �" _ , �n �,;r�t�l�� e��a��r ' �i' � �hs�s _�� , ' � � •. �st ��.e� �• �. 5 . J �- � !t� .`� � SS7�' t�ffiET��G i7 1978 R�' 6 Ms, � Sperre e�Zt� .�at tlue argument 1� was using was tmey °ueeded Co stleviate the�a�.se pr�T�xem by rt�tie8tiag. . a � :� � Mr.Langertfe�.d stat+i� it �crauld ba ktnd c�� ridfculous to ceore and � siaict puttf�ttg jets�:taf.th'tlie smal�er aiteraf't when that wes4the Cssablem. 8e at�tek titat 70EC of air trsffie was sugpnae+itlyF g�„neral sircraPt. . ' lis. SpoYre :�tert�`�s�, wottlit like th� �avfx�ntal QuaZity Cammiasiaa: ter eamc�iqr with Che New $ri.$h•ton Snvironmeatai-Ca�iasi�'s reca�arnSaCi�,o� in t3re �fprit b, 1978,,'�kie Srfg�ton �ulletitr", whcre the New Srig�+t� S�viratnaentai Gom�aiss€an weat �m �t�card reqa�at#ng -� the''�itp ta;tiiret�`':Chei� cfty attoru�y to take iegai means appraP�iate i ' � , to'pxeveaCi�ig az€y�`�katus chaage of the airgort until it could be dat�srmfned thst s?�sh a r�ange wau2d �ee� degrade the health, we1€are, . safetp, aad'eav3z��nt af the eiEf�c�s of '#e�+ Brightc�. HOTION BY 3;�E dNit ,S„�'4RR�,t SECONI�EII 87� �R.iiGE i'�'£�:RSt�3, TFtA� THS ' 83i�t2 SSiQkt RB +�"f 1'� � 1'i' TO D3itt��T TH8 CI'iY A ]U� A�RtlPR Ti? PR�vP,�' 'i�F STATtTS AF + 1: A' IL I'F liAS` ��ki i3��RI��tED T'f 8IfCFt GiIAttGE ' �f,D N�T: E 'TH idELFABE 'SAfE'Ti AND BNVIS :OF , TFti! 0� AND TO C TiIIS l7P2PiT{7� TCY �QT A' THE PUST;I6 kI3�A�I� 9 1978 J�T l0 A�M.: AT THE }tfft�P�Ni CWNT7i G0� . Ms, SeegeY�`°etaYec�:ttti�t as a citizeu af l�sf�i2ey, her chiidren were childran ci 8rf y; but they als� sttend�.�choo7. ia Gooti Aepids. � Her�� ehfY�li'�a �,�d_;be foreed te gc� to schwal t�nder Che £Li�ht � pa[tern� Q£ ti�a �h)�uuth rua�way�` ax�d tc go ta activtt�es at St; Timat#ty`s u�er.th� flight'` QaCteras af � eas�`west ��tays. >'' UPQtI A t� ff; ALL Y4TYNG A48 = CiLtiRPEAS L" �%D Et�CLAR�D �I . ' Tfi� 1�iUT2{�' <UNlsNTMOUSi.Si, ' . �: � Hs. Sesge�-�ta�aid that aa a cttiaea> ehe f�lt $reutly deeaived by " the MnDf�" =Plart. �he 1`eIt-theze was a dec�pLi.ott in naG:ciarifyiag � ahat they were t�asllq,gotng to do: Sh�e %it irate abauC it, because s she did aot thittk the MnDOT paop2e°were sinc+�te �nd hoaas't abbut � wxsat th� pr.ojeetio� �xe $o3ng tb<b+�. 3�te thougi�r thi� $ece@tion . �': e�aa�id b� Iarou$hfi-up tn frant of ��lli3T. � � ; ;: �� ASs, S+pa�cre ;stat+� �h� wauld Like ta stee �� ~city oEficiais express � thia Cc�issiot�'`s ��t�i�ion at- th� p�str�fc ftearing.� IC a+as her � nA�i.eratw�tttlii¢�g �s�` Ch� eitq staif, Yeprsse�t�t�va woaid be the �' vE�icia� epoked�qi;at.ihe publie hearing ib give thia as the official paBSEEiaa cs� t}i�°�tq �of ��Pridley. r � �<; �% Mr.� Lae�,=etate�=�ie�� Citought �t wo�tfst be �e �sppropri�ats ior sos�eoae ; ir+piae t�'SRUi�y�t�i Qi+ality Cona�.aai�t to e�cpreas tlieir position �, at `tke� p�Dffc �[�i�s�, rather thaa relyia� c+n staff to �zptesa their bginfoa �ar thi�ty "p"�tially lieca�see he ��s i�t ��re� if staff aould ;�; �g, —_ _ . _ _.u. i : S �F� .. 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Laitgea£eld =a�CaC�ii:.he s+ouLei; Like to a� Ci►e d�Hn3tiz�iea erws- refereaced. � :Mr. Petersaa a�ated he:�ulrk:iike ta see a 6able a£ contenta u�r an i�d�x af e+o� ki�td. � � _ � Ms.;Sgarre stated ther±� wras aothing in t&e ordinance`cm haw a dsvrlvper s�ouTd pzoteet-the�aatuxal amenitias o€ klte land. ' i�1D'k'IflN BY LEE � S S��3NDED $Y SRiJCE PETSRSUDi iiLt'ti� �B SPECZFxC �ATiIt�NNS dfi�l' 7st1DARHS F01t D�VELOP�fEI�T P4R A'GL Z G DI�ICTS IN 1`� ITSt -` TO T�E C�S'-ANA Rx't+�R PRESERV.�1'��t ' N/t� Ft1x '1�E B;t� '�!� ciTSC T4 �T T�� ATiJRAi. :k��iTiBS oF , �s crr�. . - �ta, $porre statad th�C .�sg o�`:the Cammia�3�'e •gcrals waa to "r$eagnize . �z�as fmpacted by 1a�ge soa#� public'and pY�vate=devetopmeut as oritfcal a�eas aad activ4.tiea �l sutt��eet them t4 Coat�ct�'�'� '$6e .state� Ehat ttse 8�img Code si�ould iu`�tlme �y`fdentifq qcLivit;'es tha� vere signiii:earttfy t��tant. Rtaeie ltad:`��e same parameter #or h#8h scale act�vitiee. it�4�i A VfliCB Gt�E dYE CiNT�PB�ON ��EPII�'3�'f.D DEt�:h$EiJ TAI ISf�i_CdRR�.El7. t}N jf. �Ir� Lei�lc ststed; thas �f t��-Crnrmiss3an had anq speai£fe questiotts rel.atiisg tp tfie'�octitt� brdicta�e, tt�^wauZd appre��.a�e hs�i� :t}� caiY•'sr�' cume ia �t+ thst these qu�st£�te tou�cl. be put to�t�r::fvt the':xiexC m�esing= ?tf^. Peterson r�ferred t� p�gea, 23-A aad -2� 8 regarc�ing 'T7oise". He ; stated thaC there �h�ztld'bs:LLa referral to``the �r�:se Qs83nanct in addititm ,'to the 8tate Stands��'; _ ; l�iON by Hr�e+��*et��rsxia, a�concled bv L�e -Ann $i�orre to contiane ,� dfscssssion o� tl�e Zosling Ordinance at�i�e next m��tinia. iiPoit a voice � vote, a22 vz�� aye� ��au�+erson Ean�ei�f�id decl�rad::the mation,carried �' : unanim�us tY . �: � `4 . C(LgTtL�l[ISA: ` F�3LY�, :TRIP. WII;LIAt�S�i= $AT�T.: ,.! ° � � Mz.. 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'' x i „�� , y, � �_ ° Lee �. ra secnaded b Eruce Pet at. SCaff be -'` � �� Co e "�<�2 rrit .a revision-�tp t�r,E% 8 ordinanca at - �� x .�e� C s t�i- eGia . IT on a voi¢e vate'" satin s e -„ gtus. `a Y:�#clsted the motioa cat '' unanimou�I, fi. �,nBiFSINESS: A. Btai„�tioa,� itsvid Sa6istina: �: �.at�agenfeld..read a latter' of reaig¢atic�'trom i�. David Sabiatina ' ` ; dat�d��eber�t3. 2gT$� � � �� < Ifit�.-�taraedt reco�me�ed thgt .the Ccammissia�a' arft¢ a letter of � � at�t�tatiop to Mr'. Sabfstiva. The Gc�i.s$io��cs coacurred. • t t : <.. s 8. ?tet�q �2eaa A1s-:Committee Pr,o�r�ia a� "Pc1laCicm": �, .� ' l�h*; T.eek stated fhat the.Metxo Cieaa Atr Ccm�ttee had films- "' ,' ` a�rs€�a#ske £ar=nse; for example, fitms ott asnual aar check-uPs �' f�. cle�n aix, ete, He stated that'if• the Ga�fss:ion aas iuterested, '".h�-�sruld prac+sre theae €ilms. ;'Phe Cq�issi.o�ra� itWieated ;Lhat they vould,2iks to �ee these ff�.ma:; ;" �. 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OCTOBSR 23, 1978 MSMB�RS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, Robin Suhrbier, Leonard Moore, .lan Seeger, Betty Mech MEMBERS ASSENT: None OxHERS PRESENT: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director Jack Kirk, Program Director Jack Hansen, HAF President Glenn Van Hulzen, FYSA President Darrel Nystrom, 248 Ely St. N.E. (List attachedj Brad Horner, U of M Intern witfi Parks & Recreation Dept. CALL TO ORDER• Chairperson Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. APPRQVAL OF AUGUST 28, 7973, PARKS & FECREATION CONP.�iISSION MINUTE5: MOTIOId by Jan Seeger, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to approve the August 28, 1978, Parks & Recreation Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried unanimously. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: The following items were added to the agenda: Under "Director's Report": K. Sliding Hill at Counnons Under "O�d Business"; Skating Area at North Innsbruck Ms. Seegez stated thaC she had told many Fridley citizens interested in Che agenda item, "Ruth�Circle HockeyrRink" that it would be discussed at approximately 8:30 p.m. MOTION by Jan Seeger, seconded by Leonard Moore, to approve the agenda with the Cwo additions with the understanding that the Commission wouLd break at 8:30 p.m. to discuss Item C under "New Business", "Ruth Circle Hockey Rink". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Feterson declared the motion carried unanimously. PARYS & RECFtEATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOB�R 23 1978 - PAGE 2 I. DIRBCTOR'S •ItEPORT: A. Introduction - Mr. Brad Aorner - Student Intern: Mr. Eoudreau stated that Mr. Horner was an intern working on a student internship pro�ram from the University of Minnesota, His purpose was • to work with the Parks & Kecreation Department to see how the operation ran and to see what happened in municipal recreation and park administration as khat was Mr. Horner's major. _.,.� .. • � Mr. Peterson.suggested that if there was time on the November agenda, that Mr. Horner be allowed to tell Che Commissfon a little about himself so the Commission could get to know him better. B.- Program Report: Mr. Kirk stated that all the fall activities had started. The registration had been successful. The home delivery service had not been good so some citizens received their hrochures a week and a half later than o[hers. Mr. Kirk state3 that some of the more popular activities were; 1. Disco dancing classes--filled additionai c1as� far teenagers � and adulLS znd sti11 had a waiting list. 2. Fitness activities--Swim and Stay rit•and Ladies Aquaci•r.es 3. �,adies'Day Qut Trip--Lowe11 Inn, 5tilliaater, was biggest trip ever, 130-140 attended. -4. Wmn¢n's Power Volleyball--request from residents. Had gone over very well. 5. Run-£or-Fun--Held Sat., Oct. 21, 22 people took part. 6. Table Tennis--Sat., Oct. 28, fifteenth year. 7. Halloween Party, Sun., Oct. 29--co-sponsoring with American Legion Ms. Suhrbier asked how the turn-out was £or programs at North Park. Mr. Kirk stated that a couple of programs had to be combined. They had three different programs going on one night a week. He thought it was pretty successful for the first time. C. Status of Grant Applications: Mr. Boudreau stated that ns the Commission was aware, the CiCy of Fridley had lpplied for two LAI�CON, LCrIIt state grants--one for the Fridley Spring- brook N�ture Center in the amount of. $250;000 and one for the community park compYex in the amount of $400,000. On the original rinking, Fridley camc out �k3 for the Springbrook Nature Qenter and �8 for the community PARKS & RECREATION COMI�II.SSION MEETING OCTOBER 23 1978 - PAGE 3 park complex. After more investigation, the final ranking was still �3 for Springbrook and the community park complex had jumped to ��5. The latesC information he had was that the state planned to fund up through 9�7, so he thought Fridley was in a good position to receive the LAWCON, LCMR £unding in the amount of $650,000. It wou13 either be a 50'/, match or it could be as high as 75i25 for Springbrook Nature Center. They should have the final word by the middle of November on where Fridley ranked and then they would have to come up with the matching funds. Mr. Boudreau sCated he did not know how many were aware of Yhe ground breaking that was done'at Islands of Peace for the canstruction of a new building. It was a nice ceremony and well attended. This was another indication how Fridley ranked in the sCate as far as grant monies were concerned. This building was being built wiCh a$150,000 granC from the state in the form of a legislative act. Theq hoped to complete the building the first of the year. Ms. Mech stated she would like to co�end Staff for doing this good job and assembling all the facts to go after these grants. Ms. Seeger sCated that Staff had done a good job in projecting the City's needs, and they should be eou+mended. D. Lease of Sears Property: Mr. Boudreau stated that last year, through initiaCion by Che Parks & Recreation Ccnrmission, they had leased the Sears property for a snowmobile area. Since the new snowmobile ordinance banned snowmobile.s from the streets and other,park property, they had been successful in leasing that property Last year. He did not think the land was used too much because of the lateness in obtaining the lease. He stated the City had contacted Sears again this year to see if they couLd get a Like lease from November through the end of February/first of March 1979. As of now, they had not heard from Sears. Mr. Boudreau stated he had a copy of a letter dated October 17, 1978, to the City Manager from W. J. Morris, Coon Rapids Police Department, in which Mr. Morris stated that Coon Rapids was finding it hard to locate a large parcel of local land for recreational purposes, such as off road -, vehicles, mini-bikes, and snowmobiles. Tlieir City Council had appointed a citizens' committee to explore new sites, and the concensus of the committee was that probably all of the Anoka County coa¢nunities were having the same problem. They were asking other Anoka County cortrtnunities to have their City Councils appoint one person, preferably a non-city employee, so there wouLd be one member from each community in the county and perhaps one county commissioner. The purpose of this committee would be to explore the possibilities of acquiring land, either by the leasing of private property or common park property to be used for off-road vehicles. PARKS & RECREATION COMNffSSION MEETING OCTOBER 23, 1978 - PAGE 4 Mr. Boudreau seated this was beFore City Council that evening and the out- cane oE this would greatlq a£fect Fridley, and maybe they would have an area designated for off-road vehicTes, snowmobiles, mini-bikes, within the couttty area. He helieved City Council would be appointing an individual to that committee, and he would report back at the next Commission meeting as to whom that person was. • E. Garden Plots; . Mr. $oudreau stated that at the August 28 Commission meeting, the Commission had asked if there was any way to upgrade the garden plots. He stated they had already had several inquiries about whether the city could continue to have the garden plots. Mr. Boudreau stated that they were going to have the garden plots again, they were aware of the problems, and they were getting black dirt and trying to put organic materials on the garden plots for better production. They were also looking for additional areas for decent garden plots so they would noe have to use the section that was'washed out Last summer from all the rain. F. Request to Innsbruck Townhouse Association: Mr. Boudre.au stated that la.st year, through initiation by this Commission, a request wss sent to the Innsbruck Townhouse Associati.oa to ask them if they.would allow the city to use their pathway to get equipment into Farr Lake to clear and maintain the 'skating area f.or tl:e residenLS. They had accomplished this last year without incident,.although the area was not used a great deal. Mr. Boudreau stated he had submitted a similar letter to Mr. Terry White, who was the president of the Association last year, asking again for permission to utilize that pathway i£ they were interested in Farr Lake being used for skating. As of now, the city had not received any answer to thaC letter. 6, Communication - H. B. Fu11er Co.; Mr. Boudreau stated that as the Commission recalled, last year H. B. Fu11er Co, donated trees for the beautification of the parks in the area of Plymou[h and SummSt Square. Mr. Boudreau stated that he and Mr. Lars Carlson, Director of Couununity Affairs at H. B. Fuller,had shared an idea, and he was happy to see that H. $. Fuller was following up on that idea, The H. B. Fu11er Co. was going to sponsor a luncheon on Wednesday, November 15, at George's in Fridley for all businesses or for the majority of businesses located in Fridley, Mr. Boudreau read the letter written by H. B. Fuller zegarding the luncheon. At the luncheon, they wished to discuss the very impressive efforts the City of Fridley was making to improve its parlcs and recreational facilities an3 the role the companies could play in that development process, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 23 1978 - PAGE 5 Mr. Boudreau stated he thought this was a laudable effort on the part of H. B. Fuller to try to open a door for Fridley,and especially for the Parks & Recreation Department,in gaining the support and constructive cooperatiott of the companies located in Fridley. He stated he would report back at the next Commission meeting on the outcome o£ this meeting. H. November/December Commission Meeting Dates: The Commissioners agreed to keep Che November 27, 1978, meeting date. MOTiON hy Leonard Moore, seconded by Betty Mech, to cancel the December meeting and meet on January l:i, 1979. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried unanimously. I. Lions Club Bus Donation: Mr. Boudreau stated that some time ago, he had brought to the Coa�ission's attention the fact that, at the initiative of the Lions Club, the city would attempt to get the Lions C1ub bus(that had previously gone to the county) back to the city. Mr. Boudreau stated that the city now had the bus per a letter dated October 11 to Mayor Nee from Commissioner Mike 0'Bannon. He stated the city now had a bus that was equipped to carry mainly senior citizens and handicapped. Their main interast and joy in the bus was that soon they would have a congregate dining program at Parkview School in conjunction with the Salvation Army and Community Education. They would like to start regular bus routes for picking up seniors and hringing them home. With the building going in at lslands of Peace, the bus could also be used in conjunction with the programs that served Islands of Peace. The bus would not be restricted to just use in Fridley, but Fridley would have priority. They would.rent the bus, when available, to other senior or handicapped groups in the county. They were now working on the guidelines and the policy to control what the bus would be used for. Mr. Boudreau stated that, as the Co�ission was aware, in a letter from the Lions Club in July, the Lions C1ub had voted unanimously to provide the City of Fridley $1,2Q0 for insurance per year for the bus. J: Coon Ra ids Dam Dedication: Mr. Boudreau stated that for those who were not aware of it, the Coon Rapids Dam was now open and in operation and looked to be an excellent recreation area. It was a fine faciliey and he would encourage Che Commission members to see what was being done by their northern neighbor. He thought it would help Pridley in stirring more movement through Fridley and also the utilization of some of Fridley's Facilities as a cooperative effort wieh them. PAitKS & ItECREATTON COMMISSION MEETZNG OCTOBER 23 1978 - PAGE 6 K. Sliding Hill at Commons Park: Mr. Boudreau stated that in the past years, the sliding hill had been used a great dea1. They had some safety problems, because the hill sloped to the south and children slid into the snow fence. He stated they had gone in with a grader, trying t.o build some sort of retaining wa1.1 and Lrying to dish the hill out so the slope would go more to the north and not into the fence. This year's use would te11 them i£ they were successful. Hopefully, it would be a safer facility and a useable sliping hill for the tots. II. NEW BUSINESS: A. F.Y.S.A. Report/Request: Mr. Glenn Van Hulzen stated'that the FYSA programs had gone very smoothly the past year due to the support and cooperation of the Parks & Recreation Department. He gave a special thank-you ior the improvements made on the footoall field. Mr. Van Hulzen stated that the Fridley Little League had asked the FYSA if they couZd become a division of the FYSA. The formal presentaCion was made at the Auous*_ meeting, and the FYSA did approve acceptance of t(le Fridley Little League, They f.elt that the combination of tne two organizations would provide a better baseball program for the ciiildren of i'ridley in the £u:ure. Because of Chis recommendatiun and accepeance of the Fridley Little League by the FYSA, the FYSA was requesting the same kind of support from the Parks & Recreation Co�ission as the FYSA had always gotten in the other sports.- Mr. Van Hulzen stated that the Fridley Little League had a lease agree- ment on the little league fields and this led to the item the Commissioners had entitled, "FYSA Proposals for Parks & Recreation Commission Consideration" Onw of those was (1) Termination of present Little League and City agree- msnt. Other particular needs that needed to be looked at quite closely would include the improvements on the field, buildings, dugouts, all donated by Fridley Little League. He thought it stated in the lease that this was to be compensaeed by an accepted amount on termination of this lease. The FYSA looked upon it as a consideration that, i.£ they received the cooperation, this would probably be bypasced in this case to terminate the lease and operate under a cooperative venture. This venture would include (2) Little League will schedule use of present fields with . Parks & Recreation Department. The main concern was that the Little League not lose use ef these fields. The City would benefit, too, because those fields tvould be available for other uses whenever possible. Mr. Van Hulzen read items 3-8 of the "FYSA Proposals for Parks & Recreation Commission Consideration". PARKS � RECREATION COMhiiSSION MEETING OCTOBER 23 1978 - PAGE 7 Mr. Van Hulzen stated that attached was a list of the Little League rules. Ae wanted the Commission to be aware of the types of rules the Little League had operated under in the past. These were additional rules to the standard little league rules. He asked the Commission to note Item �k3: "Every player on the major league roster will play a minimum of 9 defensive outs and have at least one time at bat in each game. Games in which any team does not comply with this requirement shall be forfeited by that team." Mr. Peterson stated that the Fridiey Little League and the FYSA should get together with legal counsel to work out the legal details to be presented to City Council for City Council action. Mr. Boudreau stated that in working with Mr. Van Hulzen, he felt it was another effort to join cooperative forces to.provide sports for the youth in Fridley. He could find nothing objectionable about the program. The City had no problem in maintaining the £ields in the summer, because of additional part-time staff. Mr. Peterson asked about the tractor and other equipment owned by the Little League. Mr, Van Hulzen stated he thought the equipment would revaain as Lit'tle League property. He did not know if that would be turned over to the city at this time. They were talking about the turning over of existing improve- ments on the Little League fields. Mr. Boudreau stated he would be interested in the equip�ent being turned over to the city if the equipment was in working condition. Mr. Van Hulzen stated this had not been discussed with the coumiittee, but could be discussed at a later time, MOTION by ,Tan Seeger, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to accept the FYSA report and to include the item about the tractor and equipment. Staff and FYSA to pursue it through legal counsel. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,- Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson stated they should come back to the Conmmission with the legal opin3on on how it was going to be handled. They could then pass it on to City Council. Mr. Van Hulzen stated the second proposal he had was a recommendation by the FYSA for the termination of the current fee system that a11 the athletic associations paid for'the use of existing city fields and facilities. The PYSA was proposing that they conCribute a mutually agre�able amount to the Parks & Recreation Department to be used only as agreed upon by the FYSA and the Parks & Recreation Department for major park impxovements mutually utilized by FYSA and Parks & Recreation Department. PARKS & RGCREATION COMMISSION MEETTNG OCTOBER 23 1978 PAGE B Mr. $oudreau stated that the time il was brought up at the July meeting, it was suggested that Staff get together with the I'YSA and tiAF' to see if the HAF was also iqterested in this type of thing. He stated he had talked to both, and the NAF, at this point in time, said they would accept the agreement as it c�as now written. Mr. Jack }iansen thought the'HAF would be interested in coming back with a similar proposal for- the 1980 season. But, the FYSA, going into the 1979 season, would like to make a separate proposal as a separate organization. He had talked with Mr. Van Aulzen and they were looking at how to have a yearly donation of "x° amount of dollars from the rYSA for capital improvement for facilities primarily used by Che Fri�lley youth or under the FYSA jurisdiction (8-16 years of age). It would be a separate fund, not in the budget. Mr, Peterson stated he thought the Commission had requested that the FYSA and iIAF get together and come back with a common proposal for the Commission to act on, and he thoughC it would be out of order to go over this agai_n when those instructions were not carried out. Mr, Van Hulzen stated the FXSA was looking at a.particular amount to contribute to the Parks & ftecreation Department for the 1979 season. The problem they would have was timing and the consideration of the Commission was needed on this point to allow them to begin this particular issue Lor rhe 1979 s<.ason. They were recommeridir.� $2,SL�0 coatribution to the city to cover FYSA sgorts. 7'lie HAF waa a completely separate organization and fe11 under another category because of the tremendous expenses in l�ockey. . Mr. Bou3reau sCated that one advantage was Y.hat Yhe city wouldn't have � a"user fee" which many of the residents resented. A secoi�d advantage was that they would have $2,500 earmarked each year to be used in cases such as resoddi.ng the football field or replacement of lights. Ib was a d'onation in a separate fand that was over and above City Council approval or disapproval. This amount would equate to the currenC "user fee" the people were now paying. Mr. Van Hulzen asked if the Commission would accept $2,500 as payment from the FYSA in place of the "user fee"? Mr. Peterson asked if this could be brought back to the November meeting so the Commissioners could think about it. Mr. Van Hulzen stated that would be acceptabLe. � Mr. IIoudreau stated that he and Mr. Van Hulzen would write up a formal proposal. c PARKS & RECREATION COhAIISSION MEETTNG, OCTOBER 23, 1978 PAGE 9 C. Ruth Circle Hockey Rink - Mr. Darrel Nystrom, Resident: �r.'Nystrom read a letter he wro[e to the Parks & Recreation Commission dated October 23, proposing that the Ruth Circle hockey boaxds that were removed from Ruth Circle Park be re-installed as soon as possible. Ris reasons are defined below: "1. No notice that these boards were to be removed were given to the residents prior to their removal; leaving us unable to respond until after they were gone. I don't think something we already have should be taken from us without our appsoval. "2. Without these boards, non-hockey playing skaters will be endangered by hockey pucks, sticks, and hockey players. �'3. Our area is isolated from most of Fridley by railroad tracks, the river, and Coon Rapids. This leaves us without hockey facilities almost entirely. ��4. The RuCh Circle Park rink was virtually used 104'! of the time during open hours last year. "5. When.considering where to place hockey rinks, Mr. Boudreau stated to me that the HAF recommended that Ruth Circle Park's rink could be closed." , Mr. Nystrom stated in his letter that there were 29,233 people in Fridley, of those only 600 or 2% were HAF participants. There were 6,312 school-age children in Fridley, of those only LCP/, were HAF participants. There were 7 rinks designated for HAF and only 2 rinks designated for recreatio�ial hockey. This gave 28,633 people two rinks to play hockey on and 600 people seven Yinks to play hockey on. He stated that the Parks & Recreation Depart- ment should serve the coflanunity as a whole and not let a certain select few dictate where or how facilities should be a1loCated. Mr. Peterson declared a semi-pubiic hearing so that anyone who wished to speak could do so at this time. Mr. Boudreau clarified for those in attendance that the rinks were not designated by the HAF. The HAF came to the city saying they needed "x" amount of rinks to operate their program. Mr. Boudreau seaeed that there would be 10 rinks available in the City of Fridley, eight would be basically for the HAF, but those rinks would be open on weekends. The two open rinks could be reserved at any time. Mr. Peterson stated that the HAP used 9;30 p.m., so the rinks were open to b:30 p.m. the eight rinks basically from 6:30- the general public after school until Mr. Joseph Schonner, 543 Janesville St., stated that Springbrook was about 1'� block, from his house. His children used to use that skating rink until it was repLaced by a tennis court. So, his children were going over [o Ruth Circle to play hockey. With the hockey boards gone, it would noC he safe with just 'snow piled up for his younger girl to sknte,there. . " PARKS & RECRLATION COi�IIdISSTON M6ETING OCTOBER 23 197II - YAGE 10 Ms. Lee Ann Sporre, 295 Zronton St., seated that there were a lot of ktds at the meeting that used the hockey facilicies. She stated she did use the'skating rink and had benefited by having the boards there. This was a densely, populaL-ed part of Fridley and there were a large number of people involved in this area. She stated Chey should not have to come before the Commission to defend their faciliYies. IC 6!as the general feeling of the neighborhood that "what else are they going to take outl" They resented having to come down and make these arguments over and ovex. Mr. Boudreau staCed that by being in the park business, they tried to spend the citizens' money in the most economical and efficient way they could andstikl have a program for the youth. He stated that the ice would still be at Ruth Circle for hockey playing and skating. On two rinks in the city where they had snow berming, the kids still played hockey. He had six full-Cime and four part-time maintenance people and they were charged with maintaining 32 pieces of ice, whether general or rink. It took five times as long to maintain a rink with boards as it did to maintain the general areas without boards. He stated they were looking at how to reduce maintenance and sti11 have ice areas. Granted, they did cooperate with the HAE; but in turn Chese people were citizens of Fridley who put in many volunteer hours teachirig a lot of youngsters how to ptay hockey. Glen�t Seeger, Tony Schroeder, Heidi 0£fic�r, Kory Jorgensen, I4ichael Cooper, and C'ris Doodry were some of the young pe.opl.e ia ar.tetidance ae the meeti.np.,. They made the following commen[s: "The ice rinl: was atways packed, especially on weelcends. IE there was jusL• �row piZed up,�.��eople were going to get hurt and windows broken: 'Tf people got hurC, it would cost money for stitcYies. If they had.to walk to Madsen Park, it would cost more maxey for their �.rents to drive them back and forth tlian the cost of having " the boards back up. If they had to walk, they could ruin expensive sicates:' Mr. Nystran �tated that there were enough people in that area of Fridley to justify their hockey rink over znd above any of the other areas. They paid enough money to the Czty of Fridley to have hockey in their area. Mr. Boudreau stated that there were 22 pocket areas in Fridley who could make that same statement. Mr. Charles Seeger, 324 Ironton St., stated that at.one time the neighbor- hood had voLunteered to buy the park and cnaintain it themselves. He stated that they should not have to come down and fight for something that was once there and had been taken away. ,' Mr. B wdreau stated that a list of ice rink.and hockey rink locations was handed out t o the Commission at their July meeting. It showed 22 areas to be provided and 10 hockey:rinks. The Commission had approved those areas. . Pi1RKS & R�CREATION COMMISSION MEF.'LING, OCTOBER 23, 1978 - PAGE 11 Ms. Seeger stated that the Commission's feelings were very strong that skating and hockey were two of the feia things citizens participated in during the winter months. Mr. Peterson stated that maybe the Commission should take another look at it. He thought whaC Mr. Boudreau pointed out was true. The Commission did look at the recommendation in July and did concur. He pointed out that just because a program was once begun did not mean it was cast in concrete. He liked to think that the Covm�ission and the Staff were ' sensitive enough and attune to the needs in the community to change the program. Mr. Boudreau stated that in reviewing the usage, RuZh Circle ranked 9th out of 12 last year. There were 3 lower and 8 higher, according to warming house attendants' figures. It :aas strictly an economic measure in tryiilg to consolidaCe so there were less rinks to maintain. Mr, Hansen stated that on behalf of the HAF, he would like to say that the iIAF had no decisions whatsoever as to which hockey rinks should be put up or taken down. It was strictly up to the Commission to make that decision. He stated that the kids here tonight were in the Coon Rapids school district and they had an opporCUnity his son did not have and that was they had the choice of either playing in Coon Rapids or Fridley. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Boudreau to pass around the sheet of suggested hockey and ice areas tor the 1978-1979 season that the Commission had voted'on at the July meeting. Mr: Moore asked why the HAF did not use Rueh Circle Park? Mr. Hansen stated they tried to use parks more centrally Zocated within the city. On behalf of the HAP, he would recommend that if.the Commissfon did decide to put the boards back up at Ruth Circle Chat they not allow Coon Rapids' organized hockey associations to register or reserve that rink. It sho�ild be only for people in Fridley. MOTION by Jan Seeger, seconded by Leonard Moore, to close the public heaYing at 9:15 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperso�t Peterson declared the public hearing closed at 9:15 p.m. MOTION by Jan Seeger, seconded by Leonard Moore, to recommend that the boards at Ruth Circle Park be reinstated and that the young people who participated in the public hearing be coimnended. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried unanimously. Mz. Petersop stated that he, too, would women who spoke at the meeting. It was involved in the political process, and coming down. like to thank the young men and great to see young people get they should be commended for Mr. Boudreau stated that the Commission met Ehe fourth Monday of every month, and they would be more than glad to have citizens come to the meetings to see other decisions mnde a1so. They were looking for neighbor- hood improvement and neighborhood input. PARKS & RECRiATION COMMISSION MEETTNG OCTOIiGR 23, 1978 __ - PAGE 12 Mr. Nystrom requested that he be sent a copy of the agenda each month and he wbulfl notify'his neighbors. Mr. Peterson thanked everyone £or coming. n B. H.A.F. Report Mr. Peterson stated that he wanted Mr. Hansett to know that the Commission di3 appreciate him and the itAF' and Mr. Van Hu2zen and the FYSA. Mr. Hansen handed out copies of the new "HAF Parent/Member Handbook". He stated there some changes the Commission might want to look at; but, basically, it was the same'as last year. Mr. Hansen stated that registration was campleted, and he wanted to thank the Parks & Recreation Department for giving help during the day. They had 400 boys, approximately 12 house leagues and 7 traveling teams; 150 girls, 90 in the Jr. division and 60 in the Sr. division. Because of' the declining enroliment, they had decided to drop a B Squirt traveling team, one B PeeWee traveling, and one B Bantam. This was primarily to tatce some funds that they had for the traveling to increase the house program. This year with the hous,e league, they were combining with Slaine, Spring Lake Park, and Centennial, to make it into a north division ani a south division. '1'hey had dropped the policy of spending money f:or trophies. The proposed rules for tlie combined league were all accept-e� according to the FI�.F's guidelines. One thing [hey did this year was �rake face nrasks mandatory for house league and brooe�balL. Mr. Hansen stated thatthis year, to alleviate prohlems, they were going to designate parks. Basically, they cooul.d use Commons, Logan, Locke, Sylvan, an3 Hayes, because they were centrally located. Ma@sen and Grace caould be used only if needed, There woul'd be no fund raisers this year for the house league people. The traveling teams would do it all t�y themselves. . Mr. Hansen stated that in the handout this year, they had proposed a coaches' clinic and player development guidelines. They had the coaches� clinic and it taas very successful. At their last membership meeting, they had a recoromendation from the floor that they start emphasizing , certain child development by aga groups in order xo better standardize coaching. Next year, they would advertise through the Parks & Recreation Department and open it up to all concerned parents to try to get more participation. His xecoamiendation was to send the newsletter to all parents, not to just those in HAF. Mr. Hansen stated that again this year, they would have the instructional hockey program--9 hrs. tnr $15..Last�year it was LO hrs. for $25. It would be starting in November. • PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEGTING OCTO�ER 23 1978 - PACE 13 Mr.-Hansen stated that at this time last year, Mr. Boudreau made the conanitment to the Paaks & Recreation Commission that the Parks & Recreation Department help reimburse the house league playoffs. At this time, he did not know what the playoff situation was going to be, but he thought the funding would be about the same as last year. It would only be for house league kids, no traveling: Again the HAF would schedule and hire the referees, and the Parks & Recreation DepaXtment would o.k. them as • last year. Mr, Hansen stated that as far as the FYSA/HAF donations for capital improvements, he had not gotten into iC yet because they had been very busy. That eould be left up to Mr. Van Hulzen, Mr. Boudreau and himself. Again this year, the HAF would be paying the $2 per registzant. Mr. Peterson stated that the HAF was to be commended. Mr.�Hansen stated that a11 decisions made and guidelines followed were made through input from the questionnaires that were sent out. He stated the questionnaires would be sent out again this year. MOTION by Robin Suhrbier, seconded by Jan Seeger, to receive Mr. Hansen's report and the material presented on the HAF program. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried unanimously. __ _ _, D. Facility Use Request - Mr. Steven True: Mr. Boudreau read a letter datzd SepCember 19, 1978, from Mr. Steven True in which Mr. True requested the use of the liahted football field at Commons Park on Sunday, October 1, from 7:30-9:30 p.m. . Mr. Boudreau stated that, lacking any established policy to follow, he had notified Mr. True that this caould be brought to the Commission at their September meeting. As there caas no September meeting, he had ' informed Mr. True that no action was taken. Pir. Boudreau stated they needed some guidelines because they were getting this kind ef request time after time. Did the Cammission wish to have a charge for facility usageY If so, what should that charge be? He stated that the Commissioners had a copy of the 1978 Fee Schedule for the.City of Maplewood. Mr. Peterson stated he had a problem in denying Mr. True�s request when the soccer field was be3ng used for hours and hours by Woodcrest Baptist Church. Mr. Boudreau stated that if they established a fee schedule, it would, hold true for everyone who used park facilities. MOTION by Betty Mech, seconded by Leonard Moore, to direct Mr.. Boudreau to come up with a fee schedule to be brought back to the nexC Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried unanimously. � 4 , PA��S & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, OCT.OBER 23, 1978 - PAGE 14 iII. OLD L'USINESS: ' . A. Lions C1ub Request 7/13/78: Mr. Boudreau state� that in the letter of July 13 in which the Liona Club stal-ed they would underwrite $1,200 for insurance for the bus, they had also stated that the Lions Club had long been active in community involvement and they took a special pride in working closely with the Parks & Recreation Department. Their special interest had been in the development af Moore Lake Park and several projects had beem funded by the Fridley Lions Club. They were requesting that the Commission consider renaming the park, Moore Lalce Lions Park. Mr. Boudreau stated that the Commission deLerred consideration of this until the bus was in hand, and the bus had now been turned over to the City of Fridley. Mr. Peterson suggested that this consideration of the renaming of Moore Lake Park be put on the November agenda to see if they could get some neighhorhood input. Mr. Boudreau stated that they were looking a t the development of facilities such as the Sears property, and H. B. Fuller speaking to businesses -- about cooperating in the development process of the parks. If they were going to �et denations to assist them in the park system, he thoaght they would have to start calling facilities Uy otller names. There were Lions Club parks in cities across the countr.y. T.he_only cauti.cn woulu be tliat the Commission and City Council dictate what �.as put in the park and what the park was to be used for. � � Mr. Peterson stated he agreed with that statement and it was something to consider. B.' Discussion of Possibie Facility Use Fee Schedule: a — Discussed in Item D under "New Business". C. Farr Lake Access: Mr. $oulreau stated that at the August meeting, the question [aas raised about whether there was any access to Farr Lake without cutting across neighbors' yards. He stated that the Gity had property access on the north and did have access at the end of the culdisac, but- those were the only public accesses. � Ms. Suhrbier stated thaC the question was if there was access from East Danube from the neighborhood into the park. Mr. Boudreau stated there was not. Ms. Suhrbier stated that a sign should lie put up in Farr Lake Park identifying it as a ci.Cy park as some of the townhouse residents considered it their park. PARKS & RECREATION COMMLSSION MEETING OCTOBER 23, 1978_ - PAGE 15 D. Sk^ting Area at North innsbruck: Ms. Suhrbier stated she was requesting that the City again flood the little area behind the homes to service the neighborhood with a skating area. Mr. Boudreau stated they had flooded the area twice last year. Fie stated . that somewhere a line had to be drawn as to what the city should service and to what extent. He stated there were other people in Fridley who could claim this same problem. Ael�d six full-time and four part-time maintenance peopLe, and they had a big r esponsibility trying to maintain so many pieces of ice during the winter months. Tir. Boudreau staCed that before they went in this year, he would want written permission that ailowed them to go in so they would be covered legally aad were noC responsible for any injuries on the ice. They could assist if time allowed and if they had the manpower. Mr. Peterson stated that they should get a proper legal opinion from Mr. Virgil Herrick, ADJOUI2NMENT : MOTION by Betty Mech, seconded by Leonard Moore, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the October 23, i478, Yarks & Recreation Coa4mission meeting adjourned at 10:30 p.m. gespectfully su6mitted, /� L e Saba Recording Secretary c PEOFLE PRESENl AT PARKS & RECR�ATION COMMISSION I�ETING� OCTOBER 23, 1978 Mike Moroz Kenneth Jorgenson Donald Hoff • Joseph Schovrmer Janell Freeman Robert Freeman Robert Venne Tony Schroeder Lee Ann Sporre Kelley Lobash Heidi Officer Cris Doodry Michael Cooper Doug Cooper .7ohn Sowada Todd Minbur Steven Cooper Glenn Seeger Tim Sporre Theresa Vescio Todd Schroeder Dan Zaczkowski Dana Nystrom Mii:e Schou,mer Kreg LoUash Kory Jorgenson Mike Moroz llaron Nystrom Jeff Hoff Charles Seeger Ed Basil Darwin Klockers 289 Ely St. N.E. 8101 Ruth Circle 215 Liberty St. N.E. 543 Janesville St. N.E. 273 Ely St. N.E. 273 Ely St. N.E. 8118 Ruth St. N.E. 290 Ironton St. N.E. 295 Ironton St. N.E, 314 Ironton St. N.E. 315 Hugo St, N.E. 304 Ironton 5t. N.E. 301 Ironton St. N.E. 301 Ironton St. N.E. 243 Ely St. N:E. 261 Ely St. N.E. 301 Ironton St. N.E. 324 Ironton St. N.E. 295 Ironton St. N.E. 190 Ironton St. N.E. 290 Ironton St. N.E. 314 Hugo St. N,E. 248 Ely St. N.E. 543 TanesviZle St. N,E. 314 Ironton St. N.E. 8101 Ruth Circle 289 Ely St. N.E. 248 Ely St. N.E. 215 Liberty St. N.E. 324 Zronton St. N.E. FYSA EYSA m SUMAN RESOURCES CONAffSSION MEETING NOVEMBER 3, 1978 MEMBERS PRESENT: Ned Storla, Mary van Dan, Marlyis Carpenter MF.hffiERS ABSENT: David Thiele, Mary Jo Dobson OTHERS PRESSNT: Peter Fleming, Adminiatrative Assistant Larry Dobson, Tenant/Landlord Project Co�ittee Chairperson Peter Treuenfels, SZ48 Horizoa Dr. N.E. CALL TO ORDER• After.preliminary discussion, Chairperson Storla called the meeting to order officially at 7:48 p.m. APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 5, 1978, HUMAN RESOURCES COIIhIISSION MINITLES: MOTION by Marlyis Carpenter, seconded by Mary van Dan, to approve the October 5, 1978, Humaa Resources Co�ission minutes as written. Upoa a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the motion carried; 1. RECEIVE COMMUNICATION - RE: "FACE TO FACE PERSPECTIVS5 ON SAi� GASE": MOTION by Marlyis Carpenter, seconded by Mary van Dan, to receive the communfcation regarding this seminar sponsored by the League of Minnesota Human Rights Commissions. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Storla asked if any of the Cwmdssion members were interested in attending this seminar. Ms. Carpenter and Ms, van Dan stated they would be unable to attend.. 2. REPORT FROM CHAIR ON HUMAN RIGHTS DAY: Mr. Storla stated there was no progress to report on the Human.Rights Day. 3. DISCUSS INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF THE CHILD: Ms. Carpenter stated this could really be a big project if the CoQmission decided to get into it. It was a project too big for the Commission to handle alone, and they would have to have outside interested community members, headed by commission members, to brainstorm ideas and decide what [hey wanted to do as a coumunity. H[TMAN RESOURCES COhAffSSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 3, 1978 - PAGE 2 Ms. van Dan stated she thought they could get a lot of cooperation from the co�uniEy--from'schools, teachers, children, and older people. She also felt they should get more information on the International Year of the Child if it was available. Ms. Carpenter stated she would do some informal research and would informally call community organizations to see if they were aware of the International Year of the Child and if they were planning any activities for it. Mr. Storla stated he wovld aend for all the available information, and the Commission could discuss it when this information was received. 4. CONTINUED; MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT: Mr.. Storla stated that in trying to relate the present Memorandum of Agreement with the "rules of procedure" put togeCher by the Commission at the October meetin$ using the "Rules of Procedure for the Human Rights Commission of Bloomington", the Commi.ssion had come to the conclusion that they were two different documents which were contradictory. The Commission members, with Mr. Dobson, attempted to get the two documents to correspond. The Commission members finally agreed to disregard the "rules of procedure" outlined in the October 5, 197H, Comni:ssion minutes. The Commission m�mbers then developed a"Complaint Process Procedure" flow chart (attached to mfnutes). MOTZON by Mary van Dan, seconded by Marlyis CarpenEer, that the "Complaint Process Procedure" developed by the Humaa Resources Comncission be presented to the Planning Commission in conjunction with the Memor- and� of Agreement; also that a representative(s) from the State Depart- ment of Human Rights be invited to assist in this presentation. Upoa a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Fleming stated he felt a budget was critical in being able to handle the complaint process. In going through the Memorandum of Agreement extensively in order to make sure the "Complaint Process Yrocedure" corresponded with the Memor- andum of Agreement, the Commission members and Mr. Dobson found the Memorandum oE Agreement to be badly written and poorly organized. MOTION by Marlyis Carpenter, seconded by Mary van Dan, to reverse items #4 and �5 on page 2 of the Memorandum of Agreement. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the motioa carried unanimously. RUMAN RESOURCES COI�PIISSION MEETING, NOVEMSER 3, 1978 PAGS.3 MOTION by Marlyis Carpenter, seconded by Mary van Dan, to reverse the paragraphs on page 7 of the Memorandum of Agreement into the following order: 1, 5, 3, 2, 4. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the motion carried unanimously. M(YfION by Mary van Dan, seconded by Marlyis Carpenter, to delete the motion made on page 7 of the October 5, 1978, minutes regarding the inclusion of Tapes, Personnel, and Hearings Officer in the Memorandum of Agreement. Ogon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Fleming.stated he felt iC was ridiculous for the Commission to waste their time trying to "cut and paste" to make sense out of the Memorandum of Agreement. He felt strongly that a letter should go to the Minnesota Department of Human Rights from the Human Resources Commission, the Planning Commission, and possibly the mayor, stating that th3s doc�ent wae disorganized, redundant, vague--a sham and an insult. He felt atrongly that juatice delayed was injustice and this was injustice, He hoped it was not indicative of the kind of processes the Department ' wrote, If it was, the Commission was just colluding with their "junk". He stated the Memorandum of Agreement should be sent back to the Commissioner of the State Department of Human Rights and that the Depart- ment come up with a Memorandum of Agreement that was in accordance with the "Complaint Process Procedure" flow chart. Ma. Carpenter stated they definitely needed to communfcate with the person at the State Department of Human Rights who wrote this document Mr. Dobaon'stated he would get in touch with the State Department of Humaa Rights Commissioner and try to get this straightened out by the following week. MOTION by Mary van Dan, secanded by Marlyis Carpenter, to continue ' discussion of tlie Memorandum of Agreement at th'e next meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the motion carried unanimously. 5. OTHER BUSINESS: A. FOLLOW-UP ON VILLAGE GREEN DEVELOPMENT: Ms. Van Dan stated that because of the difficulty in getting coacrete and hardware, the Village Green development probably would not be compieted as scheduled. At the present time, they were looking at some time in February for some family units to be ready for occupancy, and May or Sune for the senior highrise. She stated the Initial Resident Selection Co�iCtee would not meet until at least 1-2 months before the anticipated occupancy as Chey could not do the screening more than 90 days prior to occupancy. $UMAN RESOURCES COt�Il`fLSSION MEETING NOVEMBER 3 1978 - PAGE 4 ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Marlyis Caipenter, seconded by Mary van Dan, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Storla declared the November 3, 1978, Human Resources Coum�ission meeting adjourned at 11:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, • � � L e Saba Recording Secretary - , COMPLAINT YROCESS.YROCEDURE DISCRIMINATION OCCURS �Choose City ---.4— Either Ciry or State can be�_. Choose State chosen to process complaint � :ontact City Staff with within 6 months of act. Contact State rele ant information • Dept. of Human Rights with relevant informa- :ity relays information tion. :o HRC Chairperaon � IRC Chairperson contacts IRC Intake Officer IRC Intake Officer arranges neeting with compiaining • �arty for purpose of recording complaint on �ppropriate forms.' I tRC Eorwards complaint to . itate Dept. of Human Rights � 1t next meeting of HRC, HRC :ntake Officer reports back :o Commission for determina� :ion of continued'involvement. �_� State Department of Human Rights processes discrimination complaint and within 5 days aotifies � responding party � complaint. , Comglaining party and responding party have opportunity to enter 3nto a 30-day waives period with mutual consent. � ;onciliator assigned-f-Yes f Is 30-day waiver agreed upoa2♦_No iy State Dept. of tuman Right,s� :onflict r solved to both �arties mutual satisfaction --�-No State Dept. of Human Rights + investigates complaint Yes; process ends itate Human Righ[s Dept. issues�Yes � State Dept. de ermines whether , :ormal charge to respondent and or not probably cause exists�No �rders a he�ring on the matter. Proc� s Ends Pr �es Bnds �PPeal �pPeal i ENERGY PROJECT COMMYTTEB MEETjNG NOVEMBER 1, 1978 iffi�SBERS PRESENT: Richard Harris, Dennis Anderson, Betty Enkhaus, Donald Wall, Giles McConville, Jim Langenfeld, Dean Saba MEMBERS ABSENT: William Wharton, Chester Potasek CALL TO ORDER: . Temporary Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order aC 7:45 p.m. DISCUSSION• Mr. Harris stated this was the first meeting of the new Energy Project Committee. Mr. Harris stated that the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley was seeking qualified volunteers to serve on an Energy Project Co�ittee. "The Energy Project Committea is established for the purpose of providing recommendations to the Planning Commission for the establishment of a City Energy Policy for the promotion of energy conservation in the City of Fridley.^ Mr. Harris stated that the members had two pages describing the Eaergy Project Committee's "Scope", "Membership", "Chairperson", and "Length of Project." Mr. Harris went over each of these wiCh the Committee. Mr. Harris stated that the Planning Coamission felt that as chair of the Planning Coumiission, he should chair the Energy Project Committee for a minimum of three meetings. At that time the Energy Project Cov�iCtee would choose Cheir own chairperson and would continue in their deliberations The reason for this was the committee was new to the process, and he could help them get started on the right foot organizationally. Mr. Harxis stated that Mx. Langenfeld was a member of the Planning Commission, and it would be a natural link in the chain for Mr. Langenfeld to act as Liaison to the Planning Conmiission to report any progress or information to the Commission. Mr. Harris stated that the term of the project was to run no later than ,Tune 3Q, 1979. He stated this was a target date chosen by the Planning Coamiission, but if the Project Committee got into the field and felt they needed more time, he was sure the Planning Coumdssion would be willing to exCend that date. ENERGY PRQ7ECT COMMITTEE MEETING NOVEMBER 1 1978 - PAGE 2 Mr. Harris stated that, at thts time, the Committee should discuss the frequency of the Energy Yroject Committee meetings and which night they would be able to meet. Mr. Saba stated he felt it might vary depending on projects. Sometimes one meeting a month might be adequate and sometimes they might have to ca12 a special meeting. Mr. Wall stated one of their primary activities would be to find out what resources were available in the state. . Mr. Harris stated that he and Mr. Jerrold Boardman, City Planner, had met with Genevieve Harper from the State Energy Commission. The State was quite interested in setting up these locat energy car�issions. He stated that they had the promise of considerable help from the State as far as research materials and whatever they had avatlable. It was also his understanding that NSP and Minnegasco had such programs that they could draw information from and get help in certain areas. Mr. Langenfeld suggested that the committee set a meeting date for once a month and then, if another meeting was needed, they covld designate a date at that time. Mr. Harris stated that Wednesday evenings were fine as long as the committee chose tha alternate Wednesday when the Planning Conmission did not meet. He suggested that they designate the first Wednesday of the month following the first Planning Commission meeting. Mr. Anderson suggested that the co�ittee strive for the middle Wednesday of [he month and that each time the coum�ittee met, they set the meeting date for the,following month. The conmmittee members set the next meeting date for Wednesday, Idovember 15, 1978, at 7:30 p.m. MOTION by .Tames Langenfeld, seconded by Dennis Anderson, to adopt the achedule whereby the Energy Project Covunittee at each meeting would choose a meeting date for the following month, sCriving for the middle Wednesday of the month. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson LangenEeld declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Harris stated [hat whenever the committee needed materials, they could either notify him or have the secretary notify Jerrald Soardman to get the required materials. Mr. Wall asked Mr. Harris to give the committee some background information on how the Energy Eroject Co�ittee came about. c� �. ENERGY PRQTECT CONASITTEE MEETING NOVEMBER 1, 1978 - PAGE 3 Mr. Harris stated that the City Council had been concerned about the use of energy in the City of Fridley. Because of the lack of leadership on state and national levels, they felt they should move ahead and see what could be done locally. There were several areas the CiCy Council was especially interested in and that was in the use of energy by the city itself, the engineering department, the use of energq in City Hall, etc. Also what they could do to promote energy conservation as far as the Zoning Code and Building Code requirements. It had been brought to this point because the Planning Commission was going to start deliberations on updating the present Zoning Code, which would take quite some time. If there were some areas in which they should be considering energy conservation as far as the Zoning Code and Building Code were concerned, now was the time. The Energy Project Committee's xecommendations would go strictly to Planning Coa�ission, who was a recoumiending bDdy to the City Council. City Council would make the final decision. They felt that none of the staff of the City Council or the Planning Co�ission was familiar enough with the energy situation to go ahead and put together a comprehensive energy policy. That was why they decided to form an Energy Project Committee to do [hat and try to get input from the residents. This had been tried before in several other areas, and it had been quite successful. It was citizen participation in govemment. Mr. Langenfeld stated that, if the coamuttee desired, they could also recruit other citizens to provide the committee with information about given areas. Mr. Wall stated that the Enezgy Project Cammittee could do a service to the people of Fridley by getting information and getting that information out to the residents. Mr, McConville ata[ed that maybe the Energy Project Conmittee could set : up a policy to support the Public Service Cwmission with the idea that the State of Minnesota needed to conserve overall energy use by using solar, wood, etc.,_ to become more self-sufficient. Mr. Aarris stated that when the City had an Energy Policy, tha[ stated the City's position, something they could put their teeth into, Chey could stand up to the legislators and take a stand. If the city did that officially as a body, they had some clout.. Individuals did not carry that much clout. Mr, Wall asked if they knew about the use of energy in the city--an assessment of where the energy was going right now4 He stated one of the things they could do and have an impact was to make that information public. If industry was using 9tP1, and homeowners 1Cf/. of the energy consumption, then they had a good idea of where the problem was. ENERGY PRQTECT CO1��ffTTEE MEETING NOVEMBER 1 1978 PAGE 4 Mr. Saba stated it was important for people to monitor their conservation of energy. He stated that if he spent money on his home to cottserve energy, he wanted to see how much energy he was actually conserving. Ae did not think people had any idea of energy as dollars out the window. Mr. Harris stated that education was going to be a big part of this, and it was addressed in Item F under "Scope: Puhlic Information." That was part of the charge of this cammittee. Mr. Wall asked if there had been an infra-red overview of Fridley? If no[, he suggested that the committee make a strong recommendation that this be done. There was some planning involved in getting it done. Mr. iiarris stated he was not sure if it had heen done or not. Fridley had been scheduled to be covered, but whether it was done or not, he did not know. He stated he would check on the status of that. Mr. Wall stated that the coum�ittee should get some public information on what the City's use was and the city schools` use was in terms of energy consumption. He thought it was something the committee would like to take a loDk at. Mr. Anderson stated he was sure he could get that information for the coumittee. Mr. Saba suggested that the comnittee haye someone fram the State Energy Cou�ission cane to the next meeting in order to get some of this information from the state. � Mr. Harris stated that there wexe other areas the Planning Commission was going to have to face in the Zoning Code and that was solar collectors. Where were they gaing to allow them? The right to sunlight, etc. That was one thing they would be looking for from this c wmiittee. Mr. Langenfeld stated another. approach they could take was with the earth sheltered buildings. Mr. Harris stated that an area the Cm�miittee should look at some time down the line was the utilization of wood as a fuel: Whether they should, if there was a safety factor if done right, and what the problems were. Minnesota had vast resources of wood. The City was getting a lot of requests for all kinds of energy-related applications as far as wood- burning stoves. There had been some problems, because the stoves ha3 not been installed properly. Perhaps the city should have a set of rules that homeownezs could pick up. Mr. Wall stated that from an industrial point of view.where steam could be used, wood chip burning systems were available, were not expensive, and were well understood. There were probably 10-15 of these systems in the State of Minnesota, It was old techttology, but effective. HNERGY PRa1TECT COMMITTEE MEETIN� NOVEMBER 1 1978 - PAGE 5 Mr. Herris suggested that perhaps the Energy Project Covmittee could look at the consumption of gasoline by the city vehfcles, private vehicles. It was a very large area to ger into, particularly in the area of movemeat of [raffic. Mr. Wall stated that he assisted in the design of a system for a company in South Dakota that used waste material such as corrugated cardboard material to partially heat Chat plant. He stated it would be wonderful if they had that kind of situation in Fridiey. The problem was sorting this material and having s�ewhere for iC to go. He felt in a city the size of Fridley, they must have and bury so much fuel in that category that it would be hard to believe. Mr. Wall stated it was another assessment in terms of what do we use and what do we bury2 Mr. McConville stated that public awareness was going to be the key. One thing he would like to see addressed was the energy use in veh3cles. Rids treated cars like toys, and it was awfully hard on the energy. There were two considerations that could be taken: 1. to educate the kids in the schools about energy consumption 2. to give the police some teeth for enforcement Mr. McConville stated he had talked to the police about contro113ng the operation of vehicles like this. They stated there was nothing they could enforce other than reckless driving, and it was not really that reckless � to be enforced. Some commun3ties had excessive acceleration codes, and that was an energy regulation thing. Mr. Wall stated that he noticed in the Energy Project Committee's "5cope" that the real emphasis was on energy consumption. It was probably the best place to work, rather than alternative sources. The coumittee members put together the following possible agenda for the next meeting: 1. (If possible) Invite someone from the State Energy Commission to help give the committee some direction, also to find out what resources they had for the committee. 2. Goals - tentaCive goals for the co�ittee 3. School district involvement--either as member of Energy Project Committee or resource person. (Mr. Harris atated he would talk to Mr. Tom Myhra, Director of Cw�munity Education, who was the liaison person between the school district and the city.) ENERGY PRQ7ECT-COMMITTEE MEETING NOVEMBER 1 1978 - PAGE 6 (agenda continued) ` 4. $nergy use by the city itself--any information available 5. Infra-red overview of the city 6. Get information on energy available to the city 7. Get phone numbers of other members of cau�ittee 8, liow many residents and industries in the city heat with oil and with gas Mr. Harris stated the coc�ittee members would get copies of "Energy Conservation, a Managem�nt Report for State & Local Governments;' and the State Energy Commission information. AATOURNMENT: /' MOTION by James Langenfeld, seconded by Dean Saba, to adjourn the meeting. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the November 1, 1978, Energy Project Committee meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m. Respectfully sub itted, L e Saba Recording Secretary at 7t� P,M. il�.L CJ1I.Lr li�b�re Fs�pa�ts lf�rs Absa�ts �!-� : �1 'i' auilad ths �to►aber 22, 19'18s �i Ca�iesiea seting to order Le�Opr �4�iet� Rob�rt P�rson� Risirrd A�x'ria� Vi�isio Sohsab�l� Jia l�afpal�l,d, iT�d 9torls (Nr. 8tarla arriwd at 7:h0 P.M.) Q' F3EI�rr Pr�s�nts lf�e l. APPR6R►� PI.AXNillt3 c�SIGN 1�lI1iV1�SS EE1f.C:1'48�R 25, 1978s lRr!'Itl� by Mr. 7+�g�mf�l.d, seeosd�d by Mr. Oquist, t� apgrore th� Oatob�r 25, 1978 �ng Cq�is�ion Bliautas ao vritt�n. UPON A VOIQ VtiPS� ALL Vl1TIEU} A7Ct� CHAIRNAA HARRIS �LARBD THE MUTY� CARRI� tA1AHIJl�EBI.7C. '�.'•u' r..�. � : >�� -y• ., ..i:�_. � . � . .�.. . i �f : ?�- • �TI{� bY li�. 8omnob�l� e�aoad�a by Mr. P�t�raao� to r�otiv� the OeLOb�r 24� 1978 �s CCl�i�riin S�aial lf�v0ii� Misutes. 1(s. Se�6r1 stat�d thRt re�ardi� It� 1 m th� firat pa�a ef ths sinutas, vhst tL�y aMa 1r7 tLat i� tgat th�Y, aa a:Ca�mS.sciou: preYer theefa�mat'-used fn Lha-ezietiag oidiaw►a*� zatha� tiuw the fosaat u�ei in 'k� dw�s�t they were Qiv�n to rwiew. 7'b� swrao tirY Pr�f�xnd tme ol� fo�'�at �na 'tmat e�sytiiai R-3 w� ia ooe e�atien � ev��rtiio� �-F pas in on� Natioa� etc.� rh�reas in t� �r iorrat, t3�y p�t all dr1v�- waYy �tc� to�stl�'r and �he G�irsiaure f�lt it vaald be too onq to aiac saMthiaa p�rtalaia6 t0 • �ps�sifia bu11d1a� arar. llr. Gquist stat�i tbat the �+s,y t� aa�r c�oMinanca var struat�d, iL would aNd ■ tabla � oa�t�#a and an iaiuc ia order to iiad this�s. Me. Se�titl �tat�d tivat t�e old taar�at �u1d be sasisr for ths gublic b�rsuN tiapr wuld �iw tL�s tiM Nottan p�rtuising to thtir arq� �od ewrythin8 vau7.d be ctmr�d la th�t NoLtom. Mr. @qui�t att�etted that t� nhan8�s �nd disensaf�s ia� all tlu eo_iaaior+a be oaqil�d iato ooe &ooe�ent t� avoid duplirsabions aud to aate it oasier f�r th� Planaiug Carisaim vDen thq discuss the reca�end�d ohaaE�s lsaa th� C�aioeiass. If the r�carN�d�d chavses wren't cawoliAated� it vruld �esn a lrt caf croes raftren¢icg for t1►e P7,taltiag Cawissi�a, snd sinca aost of the G�aisei�� wre using the woe prootss fer revirwing ths Aoa�ent� St vpuld at>t bt thRt diffioult to ecnboli�ate ttu ch�ages. 4 lir. P�t�rrm stated t�utt since the Caaioeime ver� �pwding �o mtmh tis� an the clux�tti h� reuld li�lte to s�e tLeir 8lsauaaims �wd r�swMadatio�as atod auggROt�d • cut �i pYSfie p1'OO�sa to cOnsolid4Le the re¢o�ad�d ¢�tng�t, a� diA not t+ant tks ov�e.lay sdiioria2lsea b�otuse he 81d aot wit to � sqr part af it. 16r: 04vi�t stata� it �roui� be too auah fer eaeh Planniag Ca�iaaimas to hsw a �e�irE o! �seh Ca�issian's =laates ia iront of ti�na rh�g dlscueeiaQ the ahang�s. i�b. Sohuab�f qrwd, but stnsa�d th� i�o¢�tanc� a? aat bavis8 the aiautss e�itorialised. Kr. a.aeg.nte� etatAa tnat hs. Co�is'ioa 8id �t go tbsou�h tho doauwat p�. by P�s �t ht� C�isaieu ras aaaesrnsd abart the noiw orAiawnee, ttu over-lay end intt�ris ft�s, aad ended t� deciding not to r�eareed aqpraval of tht new oriinauae ss is, vi�hont a�sr. _� lts. 8t1f�s1 sta'Nd thst th�rt wr� instano�4 vhere the Appa�is Ca�isoian�ra did aot ls�l ttirt the nw ordimanee vaa ia aarplisn¢s rl%h �ioting ordinaa¢ea� !or inatanae� ths liiat�saiw� Coi� �c diftereat d�fiaiti�aa tL�a tht Z�plag Gx�aiawo�, and the Ap�sals Ca��i�ai� l�lt tl�o�e ahould be �nsistaiL. lir. Ha:s3s statei t�a! aeh chairvsu e•e to it tlut th�ir minut�s, a�tter tide cut affi T+�t�H Pro¢eaa� wre an-�dit�d vh�a t}�e Pl,qnainQ Ga�ioaien diseusea! the Propaa�d ChaL�fY� i�d h! �POltld '�6ik t0 St�4 ib0ltt �i11Y1Hg Lbf �alIItltAY CO�IiilldR'�A iffi htiM th�,y 1ron7A' l,S�ce to ha�e it ��. f�PF�f � YO�E VEn9t� AI.L VOi'I1�F AYE# G&AIRMAlf AARRIS DlCId1RID T� !!O3'TC'll� CARRI� FBfAifL�.Y. 3. �I1� T� APPB,A�S CQlQBBIiilf SPiCZAL 1�7'I1G 1QNta'�sr �OVII�ER 1, 1978: IOPIOIf b�r lts. Setra�b�l� �@ood�el ba Nr. ?�agdof�].d te nwire ths Noveb�r 1, 1978► �� Qa�issieo Speoial Nseting Minn�te�. lt�. 80}��1 sti►tad that r�gsriina Itq l� on p� 1� at tivt Ootab�r 84� 1978 aNtin� a! �irs A�alr Cw�ission� 'tk►�Y iiseuased t�e d�fiai�ioas oi' "F�i�y" and "OmouP�4Y F.iait" and tDin vsr s�otiau by tLt Ayp�qls Cwdsdan t� briag to tha Pl�nain� ilMtilsio� a d�finiti+D� ot "Fa�d.ly" a�►d �OCCUpanrt� Liait" for t}uir etou�ideraLiCe atifd that s 1Ka1 etieian b� giren on beth definitians. lia. Schaabel stated that th� 111�wta W�liar� ➢�partasnt uses tiuw difinition� a� Foa1�y and xv�d than as follo�rst 1) A graip ef p�1e vh�i bEqr, prepore aua pt t�eir ioai ia e�r�sm. (Fcod Bta�p Pragr�}. S) A ohild livleg aith Rn eligible reistive relat�d blwllines, a�arriase; iacludss p�ra�ts, aeusi's� atmte and unelos, "Qr�at"-relatiws, eto. (AFDC). 3) 24ro or aore ivdiridv�ls r�lat�d by bloodlisu., earsi�ge or ad�ption, ehariaY a housieg nnit �eia- tai�i b' at l�as! ao� of tl�.(Cis�ral Assist�nc�). lfo. Seho�bel statad that those aav Aeiisitions of '�wsilal" �nl in th� Zoaing O�Miias� th�pr qtt�t to deYine "Fa�i3y". Ia t�� 0eattp�aoy Liait�i Had's deliaitioa vas �TeCal P�TiAUS�b�drOOY,�h�uY1r�6 vait, and i� $/b�iroo�. lis. 8o6aab�1 staq�tad; �t,.hs Ayp�als Coriadom aeoi8�d thrt the Q1t�.l�itil� %' p�Q1�RQy L�LM �II tr� rw.�.d �i�R Yb{�Q ti! �1� �iB�6 pR2' b�i0� . p�r dwllie� moit". T� App�ale G�iseion rould likt �w kind oi l�gsl int�rpretstion oi the d�fisitions. . :1: �,..1 : €,; .�'�_ . M; ..�.., •a I:'a• ,✓ � : H= Mr. Pet�TNU stat�d tt�at waoiding to thnt &�finitioa, tht larily in � three b�dr�aa iouw with a aathtr amd tather and fin csl�ildr�a rould be ia riolxtian oi t}m oadiaanc•. Hav r�]ii tLq 1�aw�la thitt sitnatlou4 lf�, 8el�yb�1 etat�d thnt tiu problad aroae t6reugh tlk t�fiaitiva of "t)aanpanoy Li�i.t". '�Mr� ars �aw �a in Friilay vLieh caoatain lar� mab�re Q1 p�ople �o art timrelate�l to qeh oth�r �ad st l�aat on� of th�w h�s caused a lat of problqa for th� City, }Hwwe a2 t� o+�laiota about thia �cwp. As �a aita�t to g�t � kia6 oi 8efiaitiara that rould ;ire the �ity wee legal baois with�rhieh to bandle thia kiad of problw, t� /lpgaris Qo�iwion xanttd a d.fiaiti� of "Om¢upancy Lititp r�i�i.ch w�Ld give the City ].�al t�wauroe is thia tyy� of aitustim. �• p��i� /�i�w tr]�tr �� Il�i �.i� 1"i� i��a � MGQSI�H{%Y LSaS*'M b�(:a:1i• tr�ri are dtwtiocs vhsre pN➢1� l�aw a thr�e or fear b�droae� houae xith eno�h sh1]+drea �taa tha ao�ch.: ana rat�r to put tho owr th. le�.l lsast, ,wd aia aot uk. to �t se�ethiag in the os�inRnce tLat would cauea � troblu f� tltss. Ne. SoLnaba2 �tatid ti�rt sh� �aderatood that tirt �it�tion wra that i! there �rere no eAO�laiate about ti�, there rc+uld be so prob�►. Eir. t�niat stat�d ti�tt the situttim ewli arite vhere a neighbor r�aui�ln't like tlu flmi�y and th�re y� have a aerplaint, St �oulA w�nse sll kinar a� probl_a vith an aadiaasat lik� this. 1[r. Ps#,�raoa stat�! t�t h� thouaht ld.anwpmlis i� a noa-relat�d or3lnanae tbat l�o bsw K?setiv�, bfeau�e basically ia tLat ,itwti�n, yon ass running a boarding house. A Pive bedroaa hanu rith 1G timrslat�d p�ople ia basicall,y x bosrdtng hoaue. llr. H�rris wgp�trd ttut thay grt a oopy o! iliem�ap�lis'a �iaaaae aad x�via�r it. Itr. H�rri+1 ulw statb tlut there vas a Nu;is�nc� Or8laanas rbish s3sould arver a �itnatian lik� tLat, that th� ZaainQ Ordin�nc� siaul8 not b� eaneidered s aurt-all. lla. Soheabel s't�tt�d �@hr�t t� firat inclinatian ad th� A*}aala C�isdoe wia to thrar-attt the i116�titiaa of "Fa�iW' and not ev�a ge! f.�to "Oaaup�ney Liait°� but t� 1laiat,�aanat �a 34a a definiti�n al "Fasi�y°in it vhimh r�adat A_gr�up o2' aot aore than 5 P�'soas� vho n�ad nrt be ralat�d bY b1ooA� aarriq�� or aBcPtian livim� taseth�r is a sing].a hwNicea'Bin� uait." lfe. Pstsrim �t6d tLs�C einat it �nta 41rt� in t� 11R1n#e�nae Gde, thaY ahould �t bave to lul�r� a d�fiaitiou in th� Zoain� G�e. ifs.Sshnabtl stat�d ti�at nqrbe vhen tL� PLnniaQ Carissiaa diaauaMd this� thq� va�l.d d�rei�� to tLrrevv ft out, vhish vwe ti�e App�ale C�itoia�s' first iaol.i�stic�n/ but ae tbq talk�d abatt it, they aer�a't sure if thnv wra tittl�er r�ssaars ths difiaiLloa �me aNd�d. 1(r. Sarris stat�d that k+e tad tilk�d vith th� City Attc�a'ney, wd the City Att�rney ta�uld r�o�ive eoFi�a of their Aireus�im� r�iog t� propoaed ahangss� wd iu awLi iaterjwt, dnring their delTberations, his l�ol 4pinioos regardiag tha amangea. Mr. Hsrris atataA he vaild lik� to think abaxt 1t and diaausa it at a later tlae, ual•ss they k�d • sp�aifio prcposal. M�. S¢hn�bel etated that tiu pr�eal �+ae tc have:;a lagal apinion cu► the defin3tione of "F'a�il�r° and °�¢attpen¢y Liait", and wuld lilct to incnr if it vc�],d bs snforaeable. Ms. Sclu�btl stat�d she vould get tha Alinneapolia ordiwiace regarding Boardinghoaaes �nd t1�r a�ulA disoass it at the Pl�wains C�isdca ueting. UP(iri A V�IC! VCPE� ALL V(yPI�G AYB� CAAIRMAN HARRIS D�CLARiiD T� 1�1TION CARRIED UBAN�.Y. PLA�NINfi C�Q88ION l�fiTING, EiOV�bffiER 22, 1978 PAf}8 4 ;u • , �: «.: .�; ,e -. r a� 14DTI4AT by !b. Sahaabel, s�cavdad by Mr. q,�uist, to r�o�ire the Appewls Casission sn s ot xovaber ik, 1978. ifr. Petersun atatad that re�trding Mr. Bruae Ei�d�gaard�s r�gueat to build on s �10 foot lot, he f�lt ti�t by grantinQ it they wuld be op�ninQ ihe�a�lvea up to s lot af oth�r situation4 .tiach a� if q p�r�cn brd a a�-na�ittt�ing uae o� a piaae of ptwperty aai it burnsd dovn� h� csoulA e�oe back a� sty tl�at the preeed�t was that th�y alla�nd 3t t� be built bask to its origin�l atattu. 4C 1�. 8oim�+i atat�d that ah� L�d qwstioa�d th� raa tLinQ awi also h4d w9tistind the �rie Park aru�. l�L. ScLnaMl a1�oWad the Ca�iotic�ser� a pistvre and an aer#xl pia�to oi[ t#u lot in qwation. I�. 8a}�nabel �xglaia�d that tLe ��e pr��at].Y ao tLe lvt �ras vh3ahabitabl� aad iY th! varianc� nqwa�t ross saL graatrd, ths City woulA a�d� tho h�uss �nd it voulA be rwwsd. Ms. Sobnsbel poist�d ouL tk�at tLe a�rial photo sbwro rewr�l otisr 40 fwt laCo m the sase etr�'t, s� it aas Y�lt that building �a thia lot �rowld be ea�aiible with ttu �igl�borboad. MIs. Schnrbel aleo poiated o�t tha� tlu iw��se i�distely aortL va� a�ery aice }�me on a MO foot lot. Ns. 8e1�b�1 etated tbrt aa ti�e�r di�snapd th� r�qua�'C, it beeve � tbat tha n�ighbo�s mre v�ry m�h in Yavaa� of ltr. )kdegaar3 bui]Aing oa the 40 f�at lot, aad siaae tiwrs verQ other homea on 40 iwrE lots an the sase atraet� it seu�d rqw�bls to grnnt the r.qwsst, rothsr than dcuy.the rpwat a� let the City eoadaffi th� ha�se, have it tarn dmm, vhieh vWld tak� s�ae Siae, and than be l�it vith an taiy+ty 40 iwt lvt. Me. Satrerbsl atsted tLat G�j*A� liva�evtts Lad talY�d vitL ldr. Herriak, th� C1ty Attorney, s� Dlr. Herrick f�lt iL vould nat jevpardise the lav suit becauae the lav seiit v4a ¢onceraed vith a peram vh� hod bruught the loEe 't� Yorfeit, this l�t vas a full priced pieae �f pra- ptrty, tlure �ns the questioo of a corner �W foat lot a� op�wad to .s laterior LO fwt loL� and the naigkibors in this nRSe *nre very n�ah in favor of a serr dWelling o¢ thie �0 foot lot. Ths aeighborr approach�d Mr. Iied�rd anQ aek�d his te do thia. I�Ir. N�de�au�d lives doim tbe atreet fras the lat in questioa. Beaau�e oi theee faats, the eirc�taua�r xera quite diiStreat frca� tLt l�w euit ca�s, ae�d Mr. Ii�rriek vould be villing to arit� cpxt a leg�l intsrpretation Yor the City Couacil. lle. Hsrrir ata eaild �mi�rstwi ead�nt they t�d that he aould sae that this v�uld bo good for the naighborhta�d � vl�y ths n�ighbora w�wtad it� but �ass amc�rned about e�ttina a pre- trould be sorry for latsr. Mr. Pet�rseo atat�d ti�t he iL,d noted tlaat Pat Gat»1 �xgreaead the e�mr c�ncaras ia te� �f her vcrte. Ns. Sat�nabel etat�d ska did too, ia f�et lelt thet all tLe Cc�isaionera did� but by the s�e tok�a� ftnmd it diffieult to c� up-:wi%h repsoQO 'to dei{y it vith tLe nsi�hbors tlwre reqwstia� it. Ide. Sohnabefi-:note+�-thatNr.--KqmpBr L�d atat�d ti►wt if thia hod bw► � raaast iaC� 1� pr�bab],y aevar xould hare v�t�d Y�r it� but M¢ause it did have s-iwae an it tbat rras ourrsnt�y b�iss used unLil jnst r�nt3y� L� f�lt � c�fortable � �►l�Mii Mlth th� r�qqett, llr. Hqsri� aakd vmst the dlffu�nc� was brtxe�n this ipt and aoother l�t that'a vaaant� ottrer tbwa Lhia lot hae � hwae oa it. I ��, w;- aFC: ..��. r' ,-a r.�: 1; =�' Ns. Scbna�l stat�d that lookin� st it lraa �aoth�s anslt, if this houst vae for wle aad w�body bought it and d�iaad to i�psow it� tn. citr aertilA d� aothing �bout t�t. Nr. Hqrrts stated tL�t that could b� daaie, tsseatially buiidisg a house xitk�in a l�Wue, if tht pne�t houae vao tia�t bad. 1lr. Aarria atatefl SLa�t peraonal]3r he felt grant3ng theevariaaCe`would bs_a goocY �htags but was uneaay-a�o�t �ihe ec+nsequseces�;: msybe sot k9:th : tha _present _ eourt ease, but a ypr �ro� �r. 1�1s. Sa�ab�l etqt�d that they ery be facsd vith these �rf�s typ� of aituatioas in $yde Park. itr. Harri� rt�t�d ttut vLat thqr ws� doi� then vas owstiauing the u�a of anb-stasdard lrts� Mhi.oh th�pr it� dtaided nat to do. lis. 8s�bs1 stat�d tLat th�y h�d raid thqr vould aot y�rait aw aonstruutiw on weant aub-otwd�l lot�, buC in �d� Park thq h�d wid th�y rwld perait existing uee of sub-�tandprd lots to santiavs. llo. Ba�nrb�l +tia�+ stnt�A tLat lh�. tP�d�aatd l�d in- dleatwi thst this 40 foet lot oMt mr�r �12,G00 aud beewuae o� thia rhs felt that b.- oause oo�is are alq-rockeLing w wa3ts they* aaY b�w t� allw tbia kicid oi tL1� ia aads�' i� OMtiaw to provid� Lotf�i�. lk�. E�a�st qaustionad =vhethtr tZay sh�uld be a�s�rnal about pmridlaB additi�al hoasia� r� Fridiq vaa 90� ievslopad. lle. Ssrris r�est�d tLqr table this ita for thiw aoaths� uxtil Febx�ary, nhile �q' �nb it, � i� • Jwt�t ira� the pa�a�at aaart wa and lmow �er� thq ar� soie` vith fih� probl�a. Heaaue� �veryttiiag is fros�a ae�qy� ltr. Nad�arb would srt �e abl.• to do a�hini with it u�til S�ria�. _-- lA�. Sobnabel stat�a tl�at on p�ge 7, th� 4th Par+�grai+k fr� the Lop sLeu18 r�sid: •i�. C�uture ast�d that if th� �ara�� m L�t 5 aer. �o�v�t aouth 10 feet, 1t rou.ld allanr !� •§0 Poot lat ratlur th�n a LO '�i�lot� and vwT� City gi�e • variane. for • y0 toe�t lo!'. t�. SaLnabd .tatad ti�at on PaQe 7, ths Sth para�aph trt tbe top, tia rord� "fre�n Mr. Tracsik" �hwld be dai�tal. Ms. 8chnobel s'bated tl�at m Page 13� ths bth par�gnph fsa� the botiai;�it ahould b� S f�tt mot 4 fMt. UPOIT A VOICT VO�ST� ALL VOTING Al'�� CHAIRNAN HARRI$ i�LCLAR�D T� MOTIOdQ CARRI� [JlfAliIl1€�LY. M6Tf� b� Mr. P�t�Ne►, Np��d by Dtr. I,ao�af�ld to rras�d to Couneil t}aaL 1 r�, RiAsESari's sa�wft t0 �ui1d au t�a MF� foet 1o�t st hfr86 2nd Straet 1P.E., be tabled f�r 9R dp's {iioas�asr, Janua:y ar+d 1Mbruary). t1i�0li A V07� Vt�TB� l�. PY'TIItB�� lst. LANCr�YLD� tqt. STtYtLA� Mt. OQUIBP Yri'ING AYB� A�ID MB, BC�iABYL VOT� NAY� CNAIItMAN RARRIB D�CLARBD THS 110TI� CARRI�D 5 TEi l. B�n�r�ra ca�ussrox �u+a► �� za, iy7e Paas 6 4 E �. RSCSIYlS SAYIltA�ATAL QWLI7.7 CQl@Q88I�t 1�NfTP�s: (iC'PE�IIi 17, 197Ss ElDTIp� b�r 1(r. I��feld� aee6mtled by Mr. P�ttreo�� to re4sire the Ootober 17� 1978, �arts�tal�t�l Q�ali'b Cw�iosim aleu'kss. Nr. Ls��nf�ld st4t.�d that m pKe 2� lrtt�ra fror 1(e. JW�a+tm and M�. bebanls ohould L+tw bwn i�luded aa P�'C �' Lia r�omrA and vsre not.i�lud•d vith the aiautes. 1lr. Laegettfeid rt.�t�d tmat tk�ra vaa a aesting st City Hall og Moa+asy aight vhich �ras attandmd by FMj MAC�i !(�tro Caunail, City a? Fridley C�nsil� �aad_ iBar��wBsnuett ascng atiiers. eE�. Laa�afeld atat.d thst t}u qmsstioa of vluthor or not there was 8o1a8 to b� aiayox'G �p�adcz� was disaussedt amd als� to ineorpmrate under the MoD�'I' pro�am tHe di�i�� ao�t�d by tl�eir Co�issi� sffi atle�ra. Dfr. I�wgwfeld statN tmat it 1Mi�l `likt t}a afi�'gert espa$sian idea rno in tht �kipg� aad t2mre t+ae talk cf a MRSter Plan Mth the +�ppro�eh of exgsHding gi�ce by pieoe� Por s�tple, first put in ea�t lighto, tk�n wather iastr�nt f�yiag, vitb e�eh thing being e�3�' cbaaBe. Mr. Laapai�ld statad that there wre indiaatiaos aR gaSitiaal i�olva�ma�ot alao. Ilr. Iang�nf�ld stat�d thst thsir Ca�isaion voa1Q be autiag vith New Bri�htm �QC sad vaulA be praviding �ese ki� a? �wrary. 11r. L�ngsnfell atatad that regrsdiag bls. 8porre'e co_enta am pqgt 7� �h Ps�'A�'aPh froa t� bott�y Ms. ffiporrt sMint ti�ilt if t� mdinruc� epuld be estYoreed� ahe would be villing to ap�nd the tiw. kr. L�ngesfeld aotad that they l�ad a nnr anber m his Cw�i.rslan� Marvin Har�. t)P�It A VOICi VO�� ALL Vt7TING AYB� CAAIBIlAIT HARRI8 D�CLAtI$U T� M��TION CARRI� �. 6. REGtIVE PARK3 A�f R�CRPJ►TIf�i Ct�Q88I0A MIIQITPBB: OCTti�[t 83, 1978: IIpTIO� by il�r. PrCer�, aeeonded by 1�. Sahn�bel to rewive the Uer,obar 23, 19T8r r s snA Raora4tioa Cooisoion aimutes. Mr. Lan�aie3A ask�& if 1lr. Pat�ersm thought thrq could g�t oa�+a �x'rnaanid for snvv- �dbilif�. 14�. P�t�rs�u s'katN thq L� leaad ti►e Seara PropertY la� Y�' �d �rtr� rsqm�stinQ 1t a�ain th3e r�ar� but hada't haud yet. IIr. Ean�eafeld r6at�d LLat �ee hop�d it woulda't b� Loake Park. Mr. Prt�r�ea did aot t}aink that �rould Lapp�a, b�csawe of th� preble'a vith the vild lif�. Nr. H�rris ask�d viu�t aould b� dtl�e to dtvide tlu autside rinke to �epqrate tLe hooltey piqylag trw the iQe �lwtere. Mr. Pste�sos s#xi�d t�t soat ot' ths tlnlc� ar� a1r�jl esparatad a��l moet of tLa dssi�oat�d k401ur rinito are svt uoed very �oh by the Porial hoaktY P�+�s but are ua� by neighbort�ood kidr. PLAlINI1�G C�Q88Ii� M�7.'IIiG, N0V&FBII2 P2, 1978 PAGE 7 4 F Mr. Harri4 �tRt�d i� �o r�ferrin� to tLe rint t+o tke $teveasoa School prope:rty in partiaular, wh�re tiure bas b�es a Pr�blw of ho¢lce� P].ayin8 on tht 8eueral riak. Mr. P�teraon �Cated that it vaa e prob7.r of �fosapeat. The ruloa etats that then ar� to b� ae Loalupr sCicka or puoks an gsneral rinks� aod if thsre isn�t a boekey riak tirra! th�yy sHoald �o to anot.l�r riat d�ri�t�d for hoak�y Playiag. elr. Prk�rwn rtii�t tLat it wps vritt�a in tluir S�neral iastruations tlwt thera was to be no b��F P1N'�i �n geaeral Purpe�ae skati.n� rints. lir. Harris rtat�d tkmt he �ld lilu to eee • sign pooted oa that rink prohibiting hc�nlu�► P�9��B• Ifr. Y�rter�an sG�t«3 �e rould ask� a sote to �et th� g�aeral skating ara�a post�d. The rinlca rith varmin� l�c+ueea �re post�d affi th� attendtnts are supposN i� �n!'ax�ee it. S� A VOICS Y�� AI�L VCTIMG A7(fi� CHAIRMAF HARRIS D�iCLAR� T� i6iTI�F CARRIGD tTAAAII�USLX. 7. i�IVx TBS HtAlAII ii89ot1dtCYS Cp�¢SSiOx MT1i[lS1P�s: NW� 3, 197�: M4TTIIHP by lh�. BF.orla, aeco�ed by I�. Oquist� to r�aelv� the H�aan Resoc�raes Minutea a"�'�o"v�b�r 3, 19T8 • llr. $tarla mot�i the�r hid �isausssd the Intarrutimol Ya�r of the Cgild m gag� 1 of tt» �i.�ut�a Mr. Storla p�int.�d out Mr. Petwr Fl�min�' e r�ssrlu r�gardin� tlu !�lNwrsnd� oi Agree_ sent m p�g� 3 ef the miautee aad otate8 t�at tluy h�d �nt vatil 11:W 0n the NHOraniu� of Agr�ent ancl rpllseA that altlyouQh thsy lm�► all the parts aad thair inter-r�latianships� thqr wre not proasNing ia �wpr or8er. Larry Dobaon suggeet�d they �tart oixEting ��stiag to put i#s in an orIIer tLat did aake s�n.e� end fin4],]y oaee t� the concluei�a that erea if thp� did a�isise ita tmd�r�tandibility, it would still be vKwe aod xvdundaat. They then d�cid�d tl�st th� department shvvld aa�e up rith a anr are. e4�. Qquist atst�d thrt he was co�usad about vho vrote thr lf�aoraad� c+f Agree�ent. Mr. Harris e�c@lained that the Htm�t► Reaour¢es Ca�iaai� r�saive8 the kmorandvm of Asrsu�at frw� the State� q� Miva they eqme t� the P1analaQ Ca�iseiaa► with it, the Plangie� Cc�iasicn ask� thss to wt up guidtlines and go41s as to haa they vould _. i�pleneat ih� Nworandvm of Agr�rmtat. Wh�n thty i�d finiohed rrriting � the guid�- lias�� thq hacl ia reality written � a a�x !(��o�canA� of Agreemeat. l�r. Storle atat�d 3hat tha orisiaal ano tHrt ih� Plsnnits Ca�isaion had reviewad vas th�-�o! �'Fdli 8tnt�� Wl th4t N�s t�t � llr. Pst�r Yla�1aQ hnd aqmeated w. lik�. 8tor3s goi�►'t.�d art th� Floar C�rt �a fi�i iast p�gt whioh they aodifisd iram the e� L�a R�pias h�d drvslop�d. 14r. Oquiot �ugg�rt�l that they devisn their axn b�randr� c�f ABr�a�ent and nek the State tp si�a it. i6r. Btorla atatsd th4t thay vould rwissr the nes► �w end iF it rqs like the laet one, they vo�ld hltr� to c�e ap �rl%h one � their am. PLAANII�G CQlIISSION t�EPII�G, Ni�MB�R 22 1978 PAGE 8 �; � t Mr. H�ris suggected they forget about seading aqy lettera to the State, as Mr. Fleaing had sug�eete8. Mr. Storla stat� tbat they would aot desl vith the laat ti�aorandr� of Agree�eat, +�ad 3f thq rrere goiag to deal v3th the State, it v�n�ld t�ve te be srith a differeat ar�. UPON A VOICB VOT�� ALL :0'fIAG AY&� CHAIItMAN HARRIS 1�CLAR� T� MOTIO� CARRIBD L1NAtiIlAOUSLY . 8. R&CYIVB T� SI�R(}x PxOJSCT Coil�II�TF� MIxt71BS: I�TOVSlID�[t 1, 1978: t�3'I�If by 3te. P�ttrsan, a�ac�ikl by i(c. Lageaf�ld to reaeire the Hwember 1� 1978, � Pro�e¢t Cooitt�e Miaut�s. Mr. B�rs'is stat� thet they have haa owottur aeoting since tl� Novmb�r let m�etingi a� pa�s 5 ewd 6 list aase o� t3u thi�e tmqr di�auasul at that swiing. Mr. Harris stat�d tlut at th� nu� a�e'Cing, th�y rould b� votina for a ahair�ag. Nr. Lp�niiid g�intad wt tlut � y�e 2, he vaa rK�rr�d to ae tl� aL+�irmes an! it �haild be Mr. Harria. 14, Hsrris stated he Yelt �ery vptiaiatie about the Critt�e and fNls thry mave saoe �Y"l 6� P��e � t� Ca_ittee. lqr, Lap�oefeld statad tLat thqr hd Mr. BSll Davia fraa the Ststs Eeurgy Cw�isaion there asd 1�. D�via talkecl about a a1a1�A1�d1'E thl�/ lYd LYk@II OII q large busise�ee ia St. Pat+l ard xitheut �qting �* aajar' olt�ratims t� buildinge � aqqthing lilce that, thlpr just tag�d things liks lighta am, eto., and rs'rN �f'5,�. Mr. �arri� stated t�t Mr. Davis alao ot�t�d that LL�y wre using tkk Fridley �ur� Pr�j�et eaattte� forert aut charter ae a-aodeicfcr-amtting up tluir Caomsittee. Mr. Hazri� atated that u th�y diacuased the diff�ru►t fas�tt �f �rgy oo��rvati�u, I�. Dsri• hsd �w interesting ca�ents suah as an:`eaona�ia crimia we what they v�r• ral�y t�ticing about. Mr. Flarria also otat�d th�t as th�y talksd 1t seqed that ihe �tate waa not rilling to lead, but villing to fol].�r. Atttr asking 1dr. Davi■ varicus �wstleala, Mr. Davis re�pOnded tlut they have the authority, but do not Lave the �- forc�ent authority. Mr. I.�og�nf�ld stat�d thot ht iiad aslud �fr. Davia vk�r thry wre boing �skad, aa iadividualp tO turn tYu t��aostata dv�m, vLta large d�partaent stor�s inren�t and Mr. Davia rep11N fi,bat t�pr do aot have th� aathority to aalu the d�prrta�nt ataava turn Qown their theraor'ka#�s, a11 �heY c�n do ia s�1c. Mr. St�l,�t at+tted thnt tLsr� aas prop�aad l�islati� thrt if you sell yeur h�uw� ytru t�uat �ave as �r�y+ iavoatory, aad yon aust Lir� a�'�as qwiiified t� d� the ta�rgy' iavwt�ry, a� the wll�r o�n wive t� fe�. llr. Lat�tnftld sta'C� that llr. Wall La<1 indi�ted an int�reot ia Bloak Partito� vlure �ighb�s wwld anal,s� •ach oth�r's ho.e and tYun, ii aeceaaary, pural�se t1� iaevlatiat in vol� to ra�s aonay. Mr. PstsrN4 �Lat�d the Probl�t Wa� �t Sa bt�f.s� in ��lu�r� bat tlut th�re raa naEhing airailab�� t� b�y ti+at 8NS th� job, in ttras of re�lar oolleet�s arid sol�r l�t. I/r. Harris st�%ed that ttu inou7.�ti� aa�yaniea ounn�t b� iaauiatti�n. �.t�xiac e�assioa �. aov� a2. igre ,Pacs 9 4 H 1�. Oquist st�tt�d t}iat he lvd izuul�Rt�d abwt tvo y�ars a�a amd w�s eaving about 2y'� oa hie bill� but it app�art t}aat as aore peo�ple insnis�t� and use lees eaergy, the raCee ksep goin� � b�caua� tiu utility ¢ary+anios Lav� to awke tluir pr�fit. Pe�pl� btgia to t�e7, that evea if the,y iasulate, it wuld n�t eave tLa soaq. 1tr. Peter�on stated tlart if they lmd nat insulat�d� t1u bii2a weulA have gar�e up sran aore. Mr. 9taria rta�C�d thiet lw inaa�e peeple p�y ten ti�es aaare of tiuir gross inca�e on ea�rp tlw� uiddle iacae� pNple. ltr• H�axi, inlicat�d tLat oa p�ge 1 oP the sinutea, he had otat�d thst the target d�tt qlCt June 30, 1979, aad tLat iY they i�lt they nNdad sor� tiu� tht Planning Casmi�si�n vould �xt�nd it. Nr. Harris askeal tlxt l�h�. Langenfeld give thea pr�eao rapo�ta an the' Cqoi�te. t1PON A VOICS Vfil'i� ALL VOTIN(i AYE, CHAIRMAN AARRIS D�CLARiiD THE l�i'ION CARRISD Ui�TAPII+10[�LY. 8. Ci��T'INI�• i�11iiRAN!)t1�1 0F ACR�6iffioT iAOTII�Bi by Mr. Storla� e�eanded by Mr. Langenfeld to table the Meaorand�m of Ag:vsmeat uat�th� lansuq�s esn be vork*d out vith the State D�p�rtwnt of H�maa Righte. UPON A VGICS �Orl'&� ALL VI�ING AYE� CHAIRNAN HARRIS �CLAR� Tf� Mt�TON CARRI� U11A1tD�GfJSLY. 9. COATIH[�D: R�VISFT �d+' $IGDT ARDII�A�Ci AT DIR�CTIO�T OF CITY CCUNCIL MUMAB bq lir. Pet�rsoa, eaea►dad by Mr. Oqniet to table th� rwie�r oY the si�► �Sane•. UPO� A V�ICB V�� AIJ. Vt�TI� AYS� CHAIRMAA HARRIB D6CLA� � 1�It#+T �IYD UNA1fLIGUBLY. 10. OTHIIi HiJSI�88s A. ltr. L�ssfeld asked tbaL thq nse tlu �ther kind of booke ior the aQon�lAS, 6soawla LL�e p�gea fa1l. ont oi thsse. B. Mr. I,an�erdeld di�tributad lettera r�gqrdiag tl�� op�ning of tha Camgrsgate F)ia3ng Pro�tet, and stat�d that tbs Ca�issio�ere �rt velaou to cMe � th� op�nitie da4y. Mr. Irag�af�ld statad tl�t t1u p�oplt iavolv�d with the FrdAl�y site ars vsry exaited abaut it, and Mr. 1,s�teld atat�l tLat the � ras very be�ficial b�eauae it not ��y provides awdsd autriticm, but �llws tlu pe+�pl� to eocialiu vhile th�y ��ms, Mc. Iangenfsld atated they soatiats Law �avies, sing-a•loaga� ar mitMti� edne4tiw after th. sral�. 11r. Lasg�nftld stst�d thst rsservati�ns �ust be amd� 8 dqys ia advRnee. l+ls. 8chnab�l askad if th� meals Were prsYwsaA on site. 1�. LRngsafeld stated that tha meale vere grejwrad by the Nutrition Center is Mianeapolie. YLAIQPIA6 CGIl�Q88ION MINUS�B, �� 22. 1978 - PAGE 10 4 I C. Nr. Harrio atatrd tLat he a�aA Mr. J.anpof�ld and tiu City Cwncil had aet vith tAe perspsctiw eauvltants on the rwitalisatiac of the damt�vn area. Mr. Borrie f�lt thsre teere a wide range K prie�s vhicL wr� i�waurate�jr Quoted in th� �'. The 1�v one o►as �15�5� and if y�u �dd�d all the prap�sala to- �at1Nr� whioh ttae p�per failad to c1�� ttaey a... t� #35,� �$�,�, �►iah Mr. H�rria telt vas ratlwr �xbitat4t. Mr. L�ngenf�l8 otated thq vere Qoiag to do it in phar�s. l�tr. Harri� sta#ad that he wa not Rltogether sure thty reAl]y ne�d.d a@�snitant on the dorntvva �aa, and Yelt the City Cameil should eossider it further. i4. Hat�'ie atat�d tt�t vhat th.y reaaoenEl�d tras that they otag. the att�y in pkultsee� sueh u cmpUte phase 1 end e�kie a rrport aad then the City Covnail csoulA deaide�vhsther they vanted t� go aa to phaoe 2, sta. The Cruaeil asbd the aw+�vltants if thyr weuld d� it that r�y, �ad t}u consultantc aareed. tdr. Harris �tated tlaat hop�f��l�y tLq vould do it t}�t vay, becaurs he w net aure th�y vould v�wt to do the vhole srq. Mr. Oquist au�gsrt�d that Phase 1 should be to d�aide vheth�r th�,y want to re- vitrlise t� d�vatavn or aot. ltr. Asrrie atat�d thqt Phaw 1 would be qn 3av�atory oY the area and cenewrrwce af the people in the area� end after that wae oo.pl�t,�d th�y oou11 decide if- t}uy want�d to go � to PLas� 2. llr. Harris rtated tLat he did naE think the Cmm@il should c�i.t thaea�iws to th� rbole thing tantil PhaAS 1 vas cwple�tsd. Nr. Harrin au�ssted that the Ca�isoie�rs thinlc abc�ut it a� if thay waat�d to, th�y conld mo�ka a rewlnti� to C�unail at tlu seat aeetiag. Nr. P�t�r�aa otpt�d that the Plwning C�e�laai�a ehould be im�olvad #n the P��6 procsw Ynd tt� hiring of coasultanta vas c�rtaia7y parL oi the D��'+6 Proa.se� a� ao they a�uuld go cn rtaord aw w�y ea anotbtr zrgareling thie� aed rrquld �+k• to sk th• eansultat►t� praposala. Nr. Barris r�qwat�d th� ea�i�s of the caaanitaf+ts psrp�oa7.o b� ssnt to t� md»re of the Planain� Cweiissim vith the �t aps0a. i�iTIA� by Mr. P�tsrsan, weoodl� bq 1�. StorL to e�Jeurn Ll�e lt�vemb�r 22, 1978 tn3'ns Ccoi�oion seeting., ° � i1P�lf A VOIC& VrP�� AI�L �t3TI1G AYE� CHAIRIlAN HARRIS D6CLAR8D T� t�&3'Il� ADJOLbtt� AT 9:50 P.M. �i: y- -• :� � � a� /../I _ � ,/_ f;+Si.'7:,Y�42"i1�„ .r`±": Ff':rt:!'�':SxF'�T1 CZTY GIF FRIDLE7C C I 1 ' � ` .I ]I' i � "• :� I: i' ° i Cil..... �i ��: Chais'rqan Se�1�e1 sallad ths Nov�ber l�t� 1978� App��].e Co—i0eiou Mseting tc aa+��s �t 7:4o P.t�. nc�.t ca�.: 1N�b.ra Pr..�nt: ldr. Pleael, Mr. Fc�per, aQ.. sci�nabel, tAs. Ga'b.l, Mr. saraa Kerb�rs Abnats xone OCi�rs PrtKat: Clyde lloravets ; Y . ,�. . 1 . R.' . Ui � �:' =i' 4 � s . I�TIOlf'by Mr.Barar, oeoond�d by Ms. Gabel to appro�e the Oatober 1�, 1978, Appeals �"iei�n itit►ttt�Q. — � llr. Barna stat.�d that oa pqge 'T, ee� BB�6r+Ph fsroa tM bottaa� tlu first sa►tence should b� eeYr�pd to r�oi: "Mr. �atea stat�d tbat 1a L�d no ob3acti0ae to tls� 60 foot lpt sise bso�wt awup/ lote i�a this ar�a are ao�y 50 feat." Aleo� thk� third raat�ace in that gara�rx�h-eheaiald bo a ts roads "llr. Baraa atated the�t ae for as the rivlr eorridor variauice� ezeapt for the ria�d P],Rin par't, as iar aa greeerviaB +�ytLinB, the pr�Mr7�d area is eeparat�d fra� tLt lot i+y a rwid and a bicycle ralkray." UPOiT A V�YIC& VOTS� ALL VOTIl� AYS� CHAI@WOI�Aa 8CH1(ABEi. �ELARPD 1� IQNUPSS APPROVSD A3 G�D. APPROV6 �GIAL l�6TING APPB�AL3 MIMTPSS: (lCT�BEt 21►, 197f3: .....,..,-- 1DTIt'� b� ltr. Basut, sseoHdad by b�. Gabtl to a�rovt the Oetobsr Y4, 19'T8, �PDlali .i�o�is�ioa N3nutes. � r : + . Y- r �' � �' r . :�.' , : -i n-. ; :rr ;i. * • r • �r9� 7 . ' i � ! �: . � � .�.. ,�. .� i�x' . �:. 9 .� : { i .j�. � :a. �( �'1. M�TIAi by ltr. Barnas �eca�da& bY Mr. Kea�er te apprwe the special sseting �inuteo � liova�bsr 1, 1978 APD�si� Cweis�ias� Mesting. �. y,. , A � el.:� . � (.t , a' � t� . :r � : .� s.�. : rye :c: , -• e , • �'N� 1`.. .y 1. �t�r►�s eaNassiox �ruac, xcwse�� i4, i� raas a 4 K M1rI0A by Nr. Kqperr seea�d�d by lts. (}abel te opw ths publie iesariag. t�0� A YOIt� YOT$� AIi, YOTI�CF AYB� CHAIRiiC�IAN SCH1iABSS. S�CS.ARliD T� PLIBLIC �ARIIiG 0�'EN AT 7t4g P.M. Iie. BeLasbol asked Nr. Csihr�,y to ac�e feavard. ;1ls. ScLaAbel ro�d tbe Adsiai�tratire Stafi x�port ao follctin: ADMINISTRATIYE STAFf REPORT 7879-81 Firwood Way N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.063 (4,D) Requiring on a double frontage lot that the rear yard setback shall be the same as the front yard minimum setback of 35 feet. Public purpose served by this requirement is to allow for adequate open rear yard area should any of the buildings in a double frontage block face the rear street. B. STATED HARDSHIP: ' None stated. C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: This request if granted would allow the petitioner to build his garage in line with the rest of the garages in this block. It gives the petitioner a place for storage, and would probably improve the looks of their yard. The only stipulation that we would make would be that they should share a driveway exit onto East River Road. Ns. Sabnab�i atatted tLat the Ca�l�sioMr� L�l w't3et tap of Mr. Csihr,�y's lot ahwing wiwsa 1�: � v�9u.'lii pnt th� prqpooed garage an& dlri�. Mo. 8alvmb�l ;slt�8 ltr. Caivrqy Se esylain what h� iat��d to do. I(r. Csihrsy st�t�d tiu�t all tt►e garases r»rt liwd up rr�a w�d th�pr vould lite to aatch thfir prap up rith tht otber �a, +ind �d a �ariana� ta go baak Yar eaon+gh to do tt�is. RLq votilri liic� to bvilA a ths��-ear �reg� Sa ord�r to g�L their oars ci! the atraet �d gArk t3nu in a gRra�. 11�. 84i�q�bfl;i�il� ft tiM a#h�r 8ar�i�s wr� 3-car gara�es. �r. Gsihray itat�d tauy rere a71 P.oar garag�s. AP!'PAT.3 Cd1lQ83ION L�E7.'ING, NOVEMBER lb, 1978 PAGB 3 � Ms. 8chmbel a�k�el if Ifir. Caihray intended to w►e the cc�n drivwray vith the houee adjpoent tv his. Mr. Csihrqy stated they vould k�ep Lhe w�e Srivsway, and plannad 'to cusnt it ia up to E. Rir�r Raai. LL. SoL'abel atated tLrt tha dravi.ng ah�nd a turn-arotmd, as►d Asked iP 1�lr. Csihre�y wiula k�ep it like tiwt snd vwld the neighboro share in the ezpease of the ea�ent aork. ldr. Csihr�y atat�d th�y reuld keep tho turn-ara�ad, �wd he hnd nat telkad to the �ighb�s, bat ylanned to do.tLe essent work hisself. The ceseat irould go right up t0 �Che rpsd� aod t�t Anakp Couaiy Cwrthouse psa�ple told hia it would be all right aa lon� u tt vouldn't be higher than the road. Mi`. Csihrqy �tated that the a�igh- bor�e 8rivoxqy vas tar � to his lot line, aud �Glu r�at he wvld ee�t ia. Ms. Gabel rCatad that �+ould not be a problw. Mr. Csihrqy stat.d he woul+d get psruisaiaa� frca tlu neighbore� sin¢e ths entryvay vas Pca� both hoMS. lfr. SaLnsb�l statsd thry Wcwld Waat the driveWqy to raain ca�a to b�rth hames baeause viLh ea �y drivrv�,ys coming off E. River RwB� it eauaes a hazzsid to traffio, and thkey vwl;d like to k.ep ae fev entraaeee ae pesaible direatly on to E. River Road. Ma. 8chnsbel atated that ii thay greated the varianee, they srould aAke it a stipulatioa that tlm drivoevay re'sin a shared �rivevqy. Mr. Plwl asked if thors vai e problad with lot coverage. Mr. Csihr�y ststad that there was 60 feet iraa t}� back of the a�her garages to the houee. Mr.BArna atated that thera vas not a ststed Lardahig in the Adminietrative S`taff Report, and siaca� the ruler and by-lawe state that there mut be a ha:dahip, he vuu18 like ome sttta6. �. Gobel atated tlut they had the es'e probl� at ths laet ffieting� a�l wauld like tlu persom vho tatee the vAriance appliaation� to be raainded tLat a hardship must be oteted. Ne. Sohnab�l statad tk�at tlu hudehip rr�u18 be that the pstitioner Would like to buil8 s gaxxge in c�r3or to claw up tho baciyard and the rariQase rould be neceessry t� line the Qax�� Wp vith the athar garagee. Mr. Csihrqy rtatad thot people ars Present�y parkiag in tLf baakyard and vould lil� t� kwve the �arag� to park ia rathtr tL�n the baalqsid. Mr. Plii�oel atatad lu ewxld underat�d the aeed fc� • Qaroge in the xiattr also. 11DTIO�T br Mr. Plqel� aeeandod by I�h�. Keaper to alose tiu public hearing. t�4 A VOIf� VOTE� ALL VOTING AYB� CHAIRHNIAA SCHNABBL �CLAR&D 2'� PL�LIC F�ARII�G CLOS�D AT 8t0F� P.ld. �►r�tr.s cat¢ssia� �r�c, xav� i�, 1978 PAGE' � 4 M isr. KMper etRtad Le had ao ob jeation. Mr. Plan�l �tated tLat ih�y � Br+nt�d oth�r varis�s in that area, aad aoa3d aae the ae�i.tor a g�r�y �sd hsd ao obj�etion. llr. Haraa and Ms. Gabel agraed. MDTION BY tQr. K�sr� seaaoded by llr. Plw�l to ncuoend !or �pproval to Couacil ths r�qwat !or sarianae pur�uant to Chopter 205 of tLs Fridl�y City Code, te allov the coastruetiom ai a 85' = 35' 6arq8� Por a double bungalow at 7879-81 Firr+ood Xqy N.S. by rbunisf� Llu rtquirad r�iu' yord setbacY on • iouble frtmtage lot frN tme rsquired ;� f�rt ta lA f�et� rlth the atipulatios tLat t1x drivevqy ra�sia a ehared drlv�vay w3th the propertp to the �th. Ui'OA A VOICS VOTS� ALL Vdi'IRG AYB� CHAIRiIplAlY 9C�iAB&L �CLAaBD T� MOrPIUN CARRIED UNANIIIDUffi.Y. 1(a. 9cbnab�l iafora�d Mr. Csihrsy tlat their rsQusst vcwld be he.aud by the City Couaail m Deoub�er $� 1978� and su�atsd tiiat they b� gzeeent. 2. ;�G';��F�:`.7 1��9iP b�r 11e. t3absl� steqndad by Mr. Bars� to ap�a tht pablic k►e�ring. iJPOA A YOI� V�'E� AEL VGTIHG AY&� CHAIltii�NAB SC�118in. DYCLAR�►► Tf� PLBLIC �ARIpG �Y AT 8s0� P.M. Its. SoLii�a'bel aai�d lir. Traaaik to stap faa�nrA. Ita. 8amsaMl rsYd the AdalaiotraEive StafY ReporL as follenrs: . .�... . � ADMINIS7RATIYE STAFF REPORT 5430 5th Street N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.073, 4, B_.(3} Requiring r. minimum of 35 foot side yard setback from a side street of a corner 1ot. Pu61ic purpose served by this requirement is to maintain adequate side yard settiacks and aesthetic open areas around multiple dwelling structures. B. STATEQ HARDSHIP: Need a side yard variance of'` �'feet (35' to 28') in order to build a 4-plex apartment building on the 1ot. _ .._ __ _ _ _ _ C, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: The 6uildable frontage of this lot would not permit the construction af a 4-ple�s of this townhouse design w.ithout a variance. The width of each unit js l8 feet and could not be practicably reduce�. � 4 ra � co�¢ssiar a�rnra. xova.�se i�, � PnaE � Ns. 8ch�bsl arlad blr. Traosik to �xglrin �rh�t Le intsri�d tv do. Mr. Traasit sCat�d he had than+`ht � iset xcx�lll bs anttieei�at� but �rith s r�►tal nntt, ns �ssaea 3g tset. � voa]d lit! ts� bttilA a M�►pl�s ritffi tme units ebo.a a� btli+► s�sl� mtira�r xith tLs b�diroa�s io�m a�d tht Dathro�� living roass aad kitchens up. SRtm type o! unit auts Qdvn ou ncioe, am3 th� Citr iikwr thas twtt�r. 2'L� untte are 18 feet wide aed 30 fe�t d�ep. The ],over lov�l ie liin a sPlit.entry, vith hitld ia ths grouad. Ms. (iabel aatad h�w hiQh the strueture vould be. Mr. Tr�osit stat,�d it vould be 16 fott� no hi�htr than a regular split-�atry hore. l4r. Ka�p�r aaied wh�r. the eccees to tLe ganrges vouLd be. 1�(r. Trrle:ik statsd Qeaeeaa rou].d be trw the alley. Mr. Pl�sl aeked iY the all� vas har3 surface. Mr. 1[oravett at�ted tmat the allqq xaa hard surlqced aad vrae �aistpinad by t}u City. ltr. K�rper s�k�i IAr. Tracsik 1f ht v�s bul3Aing this unit for sp�culation. Mr. Traczik etatad that he planc�ed to live ia the uuit in a ccuple years� attsr hie kids finiahed achool. Me. GRb�l aaked vhat the rsnt xould be. Nr. Traesik etsts8 he H� �#375 �»r xonth, brit it aould bs more. lts. Sehraabel aska�:.:cthez=i.aterestad-por�iie toueams>Sst�raswt�and.:is�.�n� tb'thim�i�hat llr. Tr+t�csik 1nL��d to do. Mra. lwDuse� Idra. dakubee, ond Rev. Brzastrewaik frw $aestifl A�u�t Churoh aatre forxard rad strt�d tLst Lad reooived ti� aotice aad wra� �t ame vhat it waat. Ma. Schnabel e�lwi�d v1�y they had rae�ivad the notioe�, asyd they Lad no objeeti� tv 1(r. Traessik builbia� tbere. lfr. Harlan KirB� 5�►3� 5th Stre�t N.B, stated thnt h� vas wry sueh ia iavor of th� bui],Aing. b)r. Harlaa Kin� etatad tbat 1u �nd Mr. Daai•1 Coxture ova Dan-Ln Dev. Corp. and tlu Coarporgtian wns his hous�. Mr. Kiag etat� tl�t Lie notiw etat�d the wrian� waq a��iled for a resr yaxd setbaak and the lot v4s dcnilsle ire�tags and it ahpuld be a aiele-yard setbaak. Ms. S¢hnab�l efiatod that the variwnce should bs for a�ide yatd eetbpck � tEse Ca�laeion�rs' edpies ef the notiee indicatwd aicle yard. Ms. 3ehnabel thaokad the� for bringing this to tl�ir att�ntian. !L. 9chnobel arkad Mr. Trpczik if Le ovned Lot $ in tddltit�a to Lota 1� 2 aad 3. Mr. Trs¢sik ataLtd that Diw-Ean Develop�eat Corporation owns L� 4, and tlut it is a 49 Yoot lot. Ma. Sei�aab�l aaked if Lot b�s part of ttu lsgal 8escription in eonjunctioa with tne hou,e th�t is there. 40 1kYP3AL6 CCi!lRSSIOti l�SI2�G, AtWYl�S�t 14. 19T8 PAGE 6 itr. Ki¢g ststwd ti�st they bav� an abstra¢t on tta 40 foot lot,.and it lus a�thia8 to Ao vit� the aaat�as� on th� i� oa tbat lot. Idr. B�rns at�t� L�t t�se r�s w¢onc�ssua m 40 foot 1<►te, tLat th�r� ahould be ait ptt�L to puiwk�a� aiditi�al prap�rty if it vsa available, and tmis �nulA be srlrttai� tl» situatioo vk��le thasa va■ • wlab].e h�f fe4b lot previoua� btrt at'ter this rartqaca f�r �apd� ther�e Mauld n� l�eg�r be �elditiimrl px�rperty availat+le tc the nortk a� this �0 foat 1a�t. 11r. �ravets otat�sd ttu�t this rrAa in a R-3 zoas. Ifa. Sehna6tl s�d 1lr. Noravets if tL� siae of t� t�ee lots twd been checkad. Yh. ltoravets st�tsd tLaL tha thr�a lots �rar� large �aoaeh to aaaeec+dato the 4-plax. lls. 8obaabel etat.d that a lert ar�a ed nbt leoa thaa it5,000 •qnars ieat is reqe�irad rcr . r�ar r.:s�y a.e.11ing, aaa tt+. tmr.. lotr to�tal 14,9e8. 1�. Traosik atat�d that the lota �rer� actual�y ovsr 1g��00 squtre feet, that 9C4ff safe tig with 110 z 13t1 �d l�Ir. Traasik's Yi=ur�a aLcml 115 a 130. 1b. Sc�b�i statad thst 115 x 130 vould be 14,950 squ�re feet. llr. Plwl etat�d tLat �Y tlure �ere three 40 foot lote� it suot b� 120 x 13f1. ltr. l�f0a'iv�tt stated that the a�'thtrly aqat 1Gt ie over 38 i�et-w�; so �it- woi€ld be over 15,000 squart feet. Ma. 9aLnabel statsd th�t the Certifi¢its of 3urv�y ehand 115 x l�ff, ood tt� halt- seatio�+s iadioate me �0 foot, ams 4t1 lo�t aed one 38.T5 Y�ot� xhiah vould put it ov�r 15,� a4�� f�st. lla. 9emnab�l stat�cl tl�t beYaz�e this it�a Qoes to C�nnoil, this ahould be verifi�d. 1�. %a�r osk�i vhaL objectiane ths B�arQ Nabera i�d to leaving a land-lockod 40 foot lot betwen this 4-pltx affi ths ��e nezt do�r. 1(a. Sciu�b�l stat�d that if th� thr�e lots wr� short thf prop�r aqt�are foot,�e requirN� tbat p�rl�ps tho prtiti�n�r should attrpt t� pureLaae yart of Lku�t bG fo� lot� in ea�Aer to brine it up to lat sis� ad Lbat voul�t parh�ps �sei the orainoaas vithwt a �ariaac�. lto. sehnrl»1 atnt�a tlut tho ot�r theuaht �raa tLat rrhen tlu aw�er ot 7,uCs l� 2 xad 3 byilds m thia Prcytrtys it yr�aludat th� owwr of LoL 4 iraa bsing abie to purahaN �iditiaoal landc frea Let $s ia crrdor to areat� a lar�r bmi3dabU rite. Th1s diaauraian ca� abou% beeauae it waa higLliahted in tho Ad�iniatratiw Stafl R�virr. Mr. K�wp�s inf�Md Mr. Kis� a� I4. Coutura that Listo�ieai�y, th� City d�ea not aeoaider s 40 iw6 lot a'bt�i24�b1� sit�� aad ar it at�eds nar, approvale are nrt bming gr�wt�d to pa�it bui]Aia� oa a 40 f�ot lot. lla. Sahmila�7. statN tbat a pawiwa request t<► bnild oa a� foat lot, r+hich wa a oorn�r lot, traa d�sia8. gs. Sehaabel stoted tlut th�ry* hod aot as yet haudled a r�qwst to baild oa aa intsrior b0 foat lot, ,pnd t1�re 1►ae juat such s reqn�st o� the aa�ada tati�ht. �aaz.s c�asioa a�e�xric, xws�n i�, i� Pac$ 7 4 P Mr. KpPer stat�d thnt it the y»tiLianer cWld PurcLaae part af Lot 4, Le wu]A not ae�1 s vari�acas aad vo�id likt t� ]mw� if Wii1t �! bNn diacnsaod by thro yetitianer snd tlu �raer ai Lot 4. Ns, Saivaab�l xviterAt�d ttut tho City �roult aot be in faror of bnil.ding a dvelling on a vaeant 40 foot lot. Nr. King etated tLf�t the,y did not p].on en buil�dlnQ on that lot becawe it wou].d aot loolc ri;ht to �ve s sall houae nert to the k-p].s:. Mr. Couture �akad tirtt iP the garage <m Iats 1, 2, aad 3 wre �ov�d wer 10 feet� it rou3A s21sn isr a 50 foat lot rather tha�a s 40 foot lot� a� wwld the City giv� a varianw for r 56 loot l�t. Ma. Sahnab�l inforaad l(r. Couture that he rrev],d haw to get a lot-aplit fra� Mr. 'Ptacsik� and �roezl� thea hare to 1caeP the ha�se far �aou�h ara�y iror th� loE liae to aNt tms aad�6aanae or get a vari�was at the saoe tiae tl�y reqwatad tLe lot-aplit. Ns. SaAOab�l �slui Me. Traasik 1! h� had aoosi8�rs8 purc�sinB I+a�"t of iwt 4. Nr. Tr�ssik st�t�A ti�L he xas aat aure. lla. 8ehna�l atat�d that Mr. Trewsik �ight tLiak it oryr becatitse it vould give k+i� �ase roa� around h1s bwl3Aing� and rould alao tliainut� a 4Ei f�ot aenlbuildable lot. lts. Sshs�l efiated tlaat this wuld go to C�uT+eil a� w�eoted tk►at thty all be there. lb. 4a6�7. arlc�i tHoL b�fors the C�ail l6�stiag, it �hwtitd bo deteroia�d whst �ras correct ia terae of the survty. lfs. Cabel ask�d Mr. Coutun rhat he pl�nned m doing rith the 40 laot l�t. xr, coutvre st�t.a th.t at the ts.. be .res pursLa.is+g the b3 root lat, ne ]me.r tha �rapa rhp wasd the �rther thre� loEs, and thq wrs l�bt to back taxes, and he di8 nat kaae► ;bont that nutil afEer ha had pureLas�d thf 60 f�ot lot. etr. Yeiper etat�d tLst tk�ey could aet aa tltie veriqnee, a� if the owners ot ttu late r�seh�d an �gr�enL, thq vouldn't bave to use tmt wrianee. MDTI� bg Dlea-�ab�1, sees�od�d by l�lr. Barna te olost the p+�+lia 1�►ring. UPf�lf A V�IGS VOT� ALL VaTI�G A7(Y� CHl1I�fAfiGNAN BCHIiAB�L I1�CLAA� T� Pt18LIC i�ARIBti ci.� eT Ss 53 p. x. lb. fiab�l sLat�a that �he iud ao problea vith ths varisnee requeat a� sc�ch� but v�uld 11ke the sqw�r� foaCa�e aetss�ain�d befors ttu Cwmeil Mse�ttio�� ar+d ths lot cvn�rr � }iave to r�ach an aprarnt cn their wa� if t�p vi�h�d. 1lr. Barna atat� tLat the eectioa aap indlwtee 38.7g faot width, aad ti�at givea thea � lat, but t� Aesosv�taaoy etaul.d be n�d. Na. ScL�b�l at�atad tlu�t if the petitio�er puroh�i� th� additi�ooal 40 feet� be would th�n maw e'ough lhrb sir�e to snabls him to build an 8-plex� xith a different d�siga. Nr. Kaper stat�d tiut if tlw survey xas comot� thoy �nxw oal�► eff 3�10 es 1'� �f-' t� rs4tit:'aNnt. ��•••_• �*�szox r�rmc xw� �a, ��e PAG� 8 � O Ma, MWY�l etat�d tLat ia ter�s etrietly of the rariane, req�eet, ahe 1'►ad no etia� i�e'iinstian to 8eay it beeauae o! the fast tbat tht a�jaaent land i�edleti],1 aorth is vaaant aDd w111 alx�ya rsmai=+ vacsant beosties it sbtrto the fresvqy. The cloeert aiffcted lot t�a aould be eitkur the pro�rty i�diately to tha s�uth or th� pra�rty to the vest aerore th� alley. It had be�n .stablist�d that there *aaa aore tlu�n �►0 feet between the property to the �uth and the propoasd d`relling and the prop�rty to tlae rttrt ie current�y a large vseant piece +si land. I�lr. Ke�er etat�d that hs had ao objactian to the variRnee. M3TI0� 'by A�r. PU�sl, se�ad�d by Mr. Ka�per te reea�nrl for apprvval to Ca�ncil ��reqwet !or varianes guretaat to Chapter 2U5 of ths Fridley City Code� to allox the aonstruatioa of a 4-pla� at 5b50 5th Street N.S. by reducing the side yard set- back iraa a eide strset oi a cea�ner 1et froa tlu xrqn�r�8 35 r�t to 28 feet, noting thst tha7je iras a desarepane� bet�n the aurvey wd the glat ssp. UPOA A VOICE Vtrt�� AEd. VOTIAiG AYE� CHAIRNOMAN S�HNABSL DECLARED TAE bX3TTON CARIiZED UI�iAAII!!�'LY. Ms. Schna'bel inforsed the petitio�r that thio r�quest wul8 go to Council.m Decaber 4, 1978, and aw88estad that the adjacant pro�rty owaere be there slso• Zl�.x� I" ] " 0 : Z��1.. " )' � Ci' • � _ ! P.b�.. ..b �_ . � . . � •' � ,,.. ...,.� ._ _.__ � . .��-... _ ....� .. :��.�a..�a ..�....is...i .� "(�(�IU E1NOII SL27fi ■.i.� rraa+'4) l�. 5SM3R)• ��1'��-�1►�1k�. Plw�l, seari�d by Mts. Gabel to tabla Ite�a 3 cf th� At�a yrtil ��i�t� 1�e Ma w� wR ths problau vith the drwiw�s asd utility eASe�rente eYisting ia vacAted t}x�w� 8tr�et• UPADi A VOIC� VO'PL� ALL VOTIA6 AYE� CHAIIiF1GMAl► 9CHNA8&L D�CLAREil T� kOTIO� CARRI� tAkliDqt�LY. � MOTIOA by 1(r. K�r� aeeondad by Mr. Barna to open the publie hsaring. t�61N A V�ECS VO'PE� ALL ROTING AYB� CHAIRi1� SCHNABffi. D�CLARED TF� PUSLIC ATARIIid OQBN AT 9s05 P.M. 4R. APP�ALB CtM12S8It1� 1�`!.'IN(i, x(� 14, 19T8 - PA(3Ts 9 — lls. 8omaab�l aak�i th� p�titiwer to c�e foa�+ar3. I�r. Brua� 1Ni�q�sd� 111�45th As�aat A.i. Y�t faa�n�rd. lfs. Se�aD�l :w�i fiire ldftlalataai,in Sistf ��port ae follwes ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT 4626 2nd Street N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.053 (4A) Requiring a minimum of a 35 foot front yard setback. Section 205.053 (16} Requiring lots to have a minimum of 7500 square feet if platted prior to December 29, 1955. Section 205.053 (46)(2) Where a house is built without an attached•garage on lots up to 60 feet wide, a minimun side lot xequirement shall be necessary to 10 feet on one side and 13 feet on the other side so that there would be access to the rear yard for a possible detached garage at some future date. Section 205.054 (2A){1} A one story single family dwelling unit of three bedrooms or less shall have a minimum of 1020 square feet of living area. Public purpose served by the above requirements are all related to serving the purpose of providing open space normal to suburban living. B. STATED NARDSHIP: We haye need for the variances shown and have a hardship because the lot size is too small to build a house large enough to meet standard codes. The house that is now on the lot must be destroyed because it is unfit for living and is an eye sore to the existing neiMhbors. The new house will create a better neighborhood and increase the tax basis for the City. C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: There is presently a house on this lot. It is about 20 feet from the front property line and approximately 14 feet from the north lot line. The house is 16' x 45'. It is in very bad condition and should be removed from the site. The lot is 40' by 124'. The petitioner has requested several variances and would like to build a new home 40' by 24' and a detached garage 16' by 24'. The lot to the north is also a 40 foot lot and presently has a home 24' by 38' 7ocated 10 feet off the south line and is 25 feet from the front property line. The lot to the south is a 80 foot lot and has a house and garage. The drfveway for this house adjoins the petitioner's lot and the house is setback 35 feet. �— �saza ea�atssioa �s�r�c, x� i4, igTe Pn� ic 1! S �R�R If sll the requested variances were approved, the new house would be 30 foot back (midway between the existing homes on'either side). It would be four feet closer to the north line and the same distance (1�') from the south iine. If the variances are approved, the petitioner should be requested to remove both strucutres within a reasonable length of time (60 days). The staff can see some merit in approving this request and it is quite different from.previous variance requests on 40 foot lots in that it is an interior lot (others were corner loLs). We would also rid ourselves of the existing structures that presently exist on the lot. Lu. sNrD� MkM liaO iM we�luirr� YM a��c sw acnms �s...�w oa ttte ld6� lrlr0 ao ite—��1 P��6�Fb ewd a draving 8R �G! qra�osad dw111t�. Me. Scs�oabel aak�d Mr. Ped�gaard if ht carremtl,y ovn�d the lot, amd the haues aa► it. Mr. N�iegaard atatad tiut h8 Lad w aptim on th� }re�ptrty� vitffi tkie ao�63d�rstioa Lhe�L h� bs sbl� to get a Bui].ding Psr�it. ltr. Di�d�ard stated that h� li�es tvo h�nue� axapr fraa tlbs b0 loot lot� as�d he �rss bui3Ain� tLia pe • epee houee. Dla. Sahoat�el. tYk�i iY ti�e i�use a�s praseat�r ocaapiad crr vseaat. Nr, ii�da�s= r'Eated tbat the ]adY who vate living ia the hauae traa Qurrent]y in a sursiag ha�s� aaA that ahs laad r��ad t�he house. The houoe ene ia bad a1�p�� aith aio! a�i rata. 19r. �sgaatd statid tmat tlw a�i�t+b�s �d approach�d h#a and ask�d tLat � bvild on the lot. Rhere ws a Mell in the baok ysrd for kida to Pall ia amd eince h� te�ok the aptiaa, ht had cl�an�i i� u�� aud aut tho grass aad L�d soour�d the wtll �d the buek shed, for the prrt�etian o� tbe kids. Ns. Scha�bel atat�d tbat t.h� �ua� n�act door ra� 84 fvo'C tride and §t aould like tci bui]A a�ue 24 fe�t vide� eeeeaxdinB to tha S'taf! Report. lir. Aidepard sLat�d that lirr. Rnth B.Yans, xho onr�s the houee n�xt door� l�sd a a� and her hout. tnta 25 feet vi8o� eo the house aoxt door vou],d bo c�e foot vid�r tLw vl�t h� int�aded to put m tLot lot. lle. 1Wdegsard �tat�d tkist he }+�d dissns�i the proposN drelling xith Ms. �raas� and �hs v�u].d.bs in favor of it, �xe�pt lu was planniag to put the drivwe�y am ttu other aid� cd ths hiouse rathwr t�w a•zt te her driverqy, and ehe r�aald ra'thsr bave the propoead drivs�y n�xt to hers orasting e dauble driv� situation, and II� had no qualme rlth this, beoauee it vas hard for tur to get out cf her d3�fvcrrqy. lfe. Sohaebel stat�d that if he did tiist, he vould tiun go to 6 Yeet os tho oouth sige. Ms. 8ehnabel aot�d thst %he let nsrt SoOr vaa aa &1 foot lot, but it v4Q viaaally deaeivix�g. Mr. Ne3egasrd atated tLat ]n� 1ud aeasured it ead it vas 80 f�et. APPYaLB CQ�Q$BIOW 1�BTIATG, NOV�SR 14. 1978 PAGE 11 -� T 1i4. Somnab�i atat,�d tHat the hmuse to the nath i� on a h0 foat lot a�l ass reaw't�Y eon�truated, xstt►tn about i5 y«�re. llr. x.d�w,ia .tata tvat the auy re..m ns h.d a.k.a r«r a rre�t yara eetb.ok was tm ].lan thia�` t�p. lls. i3chnsb�l aaksd tku�t if Mr. NedtQaard ilipp�d hie ylas and put th� drivevAq=nezt to 11s. Ebana dMva�re�y� atd h�d tw drivevy*t �id�-by-std�� rou7.d h� thaa ps�t hie dri� ri�lst vp tA the lot liu.. I4�, Xed� �tatsd tbat �a �a � fod od Lbat aitwttion� but understood the problea lta. Y4aas had, aiace her drivenqy drope oft iato thnL property. Her drive- vqy ia an +,i�e l�t lins. Ma. Ssb'abei asked if hs intendad tc put t� garage an at tlu tiao he built the l�euse. 1(r. Ned�rd otat� that he plaoaed t,o i� that. li�. Gabel taiud rhat iind af hoKSe iu vaa planaing to put c� the lot. ldr. Died�gsara stat�& it v�uld alaost id�ntical to the o�e nezt 800r� and ho had not bronght hie hexw pl�ns with hiw. I�s. Sahnsbel ast�d ii the nei,ghbors h�d ap�roached biti a�arding the lat. 1�. AM�gasid rEatai tlut rk►�u t� for sale siga wnt up, the ae3gt+bora at�rt�d catlira� hit. lfs. Schn�bel aetad that r��rding ezisting hous�e on 40 fvat lots, i.� a house beca�es 5t1� or aor� d�stroy�d, it e�ot be rsbttilt m a k0 faoC lot. Mr. 1Nra�sts stat�d tirat Ae �A talk�d to Mr. Herriok, th� Gity At�orn�+ r�ardis� thit and 1lr. Herrlok o%ated tkwt if ths varianats were granted� these ahould be R notatian that th�re vas a hemae esistisg an tht lot� an3 that it trss in v�ry bad ¢onditian and ras aPfeatiag the general wath�tio, o� t� neighborLoods a� in irantini the rRriau¢ea� it rre�ld i�rova the wer411 �i�hborhaod. Mr. Herriek also st�►tM tLat if tho Ceo.iasia�►ere had yswblos with graating this requast� tu would vork with 8t4ft aa� grait a report. Thia partioular rs�u�ot did ncrt Yall itttc �e asttgo�y o!' �e r4nda�7�y ptu+ahstais�g h0 foot lota to buiL1 ho�s �s��aale. Ms. 3clmab�l aaked wi�at the aituatian vAe in �Ide Park r�gatdinB �►0 Yo�t lots. ils. �iabel atat�d that it s�e�rd to her that if a heu�e bux9ed doam or aaoething tLere� thry mre going to alla► t� to xrbui.ld, but itu. (Sab�l vaa aot �uro if a�thiag xas epeaifically xritt�a into 'khe e�diaance. Ms. Gs�bel look�d nP the ordinascse amd read it as folloass 'lristia� o� Eaai]y darllinss tLa� io �t a�efc� to the c�nditigns. of thia orlinanes vili t� a1lov�d ts aanfiinue ar h peraitt�d use. In tiu eveat that tLe asia stradtvtt 1s sitLsr A�d or a�stra�ed� ti� existing use.will be allv+red to rtb�il�d to tbs ertbackR oi' tau �cirriag builAiag: or to the allrrw�sd wtb�¢ks oi tha zoae. Alteratiana or �dAitiase vill be allaved xhes Ll+�y isprov� t�1u liveability prcvid.d t.hsy ae�do ths r�qvired estbacka so st�tad im this chapter. PF'�AIS COIMISSION t�k'f Il+�. NaV�BR 14, 19 (8 --- ---- PAGS 12 —� � 11s. SeZaaabel etated tlut at the %i'e ths Caoieeiwerr �+ere sslced by the City to reviev �ther or aot tiu City irould allw buildiag an 40 foot lote� t}u Cavuaity D�velopaosnt Casiseioa wae pretty �damant pbout peraitting bnilding �� feot lots if thers �nre ao variaacee, other thau lot square footage. 1Q�. Barna statsd tLat what they said vae tLat if you o�1d build ar+ a lot a sqlable honse tYiat wuld nat }�ave froat, rear ar aiae rerd wtbaesk varianeei they vro�ld have � prebl� vith it. lQs. Ruth �wo, 4588 -� Street 1�.5. eaae Yorvard and atated that �n s}� pureheaed hen c��, it xas a epec hcuse. Mr, Meraretz atateel that Ma. Evaas houae wa built ia Nw�ber ot 1964, aud there �rere no variwic�e as the code allovad it at that tias. Ms. Schnabel asked Me. Evans kwx ahe iosls about vhat Mr. Nadegsard propoaed to 8v. lb. �4cta atatetl that she approvod of aveiy'thin8 except puttiag the house 6 feet fr�m the lot line beoause her dri�ewqg ie on a deel#ne-.eaal=aould=cause s problem when'=it roa �lippery ia the irinter. Ii Mr. �iad�gaard rever�al hia plans eo that the 10 feet vailA be an h�r r�uth and hi■ north and tku t�n drivemp�a xe�uld be t�gatlur, thst vould wri b�tttr for her. SLe lu� no objeotioas to building on tht lot. ltr. 1Ved�gaard �tated he vould have no objections to going ttut. E(r. B�rm aak�d 1ia. E�t�na if ahe rrould prefer t� have the house built or vould aLe pr�f�r a v�cant lat. Mc. �r�ae staterl tl�at sho woulA prefer tlae houee. I�, Plq�l aak�d Na. Bvans if elu falt it �nuld be tw auah cxwidiag. Llss. Stiraus rtatmd slw lwd livoA svith the 40 foot lo�t situatl�s Yor 17 yeore vith a� probl�o. �. ltoravetz atatd that tiu Gtty h�8 r�c�ived no �bj�ctioaa lro� aqyon� ro�i+din� thia lequest. l�Ir. �r ask�d rThfl tl» pr�c�nt o►rn�r of the houee vat. Ns. &vane OLs�twd that the h�ee haA al�rqys be�n r�ated. Ns. Seha�bel noted that tLere rr�� a letter ia the file signad by the amer, Gladye A. 8vitaer wtsl�evledgln� thYi Aedt�sar3 C�structioe� v�o applying f�r the vqrisncea and tkwt tbs prewgt house vc�uld be rnoved fcr the Qonatx�atign of a ae�+ dinlliag. Ne, Gabel ��d vhat vould �pp�a if the variance r�qusota vere deni�d. Mr. DSor�vets stat� t1,at it xould probab�y be eaa�d�ed� and at m�e tise in the futwre be rea�ved and �rould then beacrie a vaaant 40 Foot lcrt. �u�s c�sio� r�rixa, �ov� i4, 1978 rACE i3 -� �;. bfr. B�rru astad if thsse wa� wwr and vater �o ti�at lot. I[r, �ie8�a�rd atat�A tLqt the City inap��ators Lod wrif3�d this. lh�. IiilaelW`!tz eoncurr«l. MDTIf�i'by Hr. Plweii s�ew�ad br Mr. Gabel to close the �nblia,hearlag. S�4tA A oOLC� �TGR'B� ALL VE3TIBG AY�� CBAIRWGMAN SCHMAB$L D�E,LAR� T� PIBI.IC i�ARIAG CLA�D AT 9: �10 P'.li. Mr, B�q�r a�t�d tLat th� acistins bousm x�s lb x 4S. Mr. Ktaqitr nla� no4� tLa'E the nit�rnati�ea vou].d be to �itl�er graat tlu varianaea a� der� the variancer, ia whish aaw thQ house would swatu�l]y be cmdam�d a�d it nould appareat�jr take spae ti�1e t6rd� thia� and they vould thea �nd up vith p vaaaat intori� 40 foot l�t. Mr. Bqrna otat�d that an�ther alter�tive vould be tLat if tk� �re�ent �mer cotialel qwlify !� t lar incwe i�Provars�t 1sos, thp/ o�uld i�rwe tkis pr��nt hNe and Iive thers �r r�et it out. Mr. Barn� stated that ha f�lt th� firet alternativ�� to grwt the varia�saas, vas tht �t d�eirable. Ms. G�bel etat�d thqt ehe si�ared tL� eanaept o? gettiae rid of thm ey�eore and the s�l�ty hsssarA• it poses, but ¢q�risrg an iatsrior t� a eorner lot, tb� 4A fo�t aorner lrt satually bas more epaee beaeuse a�' ba�l�varAs thwn xi+ iateriu� 40 f�at lot. 1(s. Wb�l stat�d that she had a pr�bla vith thi;s biaatiue it requir«t 6 vari�n¢e� t� build � thia lot and it had bew d�t�r�ia�d ia tE�e City tlut 40 foat lote ars too saall. i�. Sahn�b�l aLat�d that tLr other tacstor �reuld be tLat if there `nr� a aeriea �Y b0 faot lotr vitL .truRtans it vpuld be one aituatios, �nd hex'� tht aitustiooa rrould be tl�t thexw rae A. 80 Poot 1ot oa o�a side aud a�+0 fNt lot cu the crther aiae. Nr. 9alu�at»1 statN that sta�ing in front:-af the bouso� it aaa turd t� visualiae that t� lot nuct d� var actually a- 8i� f�ot lot. Baoawse ot the aatur� a� tLe n�ighborhoodi vith tbe aciatiog hwse oaa 1t, it do�sn't iea�c that ertrMd�d. W1th a aer h�us� an it� it ayr aL�nae thtnRs� but all t�{y are aetsially d�iaQ is goiag b ie�t vid�r cn the fra�t of th� tious�. 14. Ga'bol sLat�d tlut araating tl�w vnriaaass rtoul,l b� ina�aiatoat rith prea.at gcliay that th�y ahwl�A nat ba building oa 40 foot lota. Mr. Plwl aek�d if aoti� takea hera rrould effee�t ths ce�urt aass. 1�4�. Nerav�ta �'tat�A tlut he bad diaeuswd thi� xith Nr. �erriek� a�d Idr. H�errick �l ststad tiut he dida't eee any prob�ea vith it sin¢e it xoal.d cl�an up the aeighb�nc�od wd eli�inatwi the aafet�r hassardo, aud eina� th�rs rras a rtruature on it pt pras�nt. b�r. Pl�al stat�rl 4h�,t his initial rpation ras tLs wr as Mn. Gabels' but it seoma thf eitvatias� aaa tLat a aantra¢tor waa att�ting to snrk vith the aeighbors Lo im- prov� • bad sitnatian, u�d grantwa Lhers vsre 6 variana�o, but it ae�a�d the best alternativs. APPSALS G�SffSSZ�N M6ER'ING� NOVEI�&R 1�, 1978 - PAGE 1$ 4!� lia. 43�be2 gtated sh� �rould i+ave nv probin ia araatip6 a varianco tA iaprove the prs�eat straotuni brtt �at th�y wuld 'bt d•ing rwld be gr�tntimg variw¢ea for nev eaenrLruoti�n, and that l�d bMn d4scuse�d at a�ny �tingr. Ms. 8eti�b�1 s�1Ead �at the .is� a? tht lat� t� tbe n�rth weiv. Mr. li�d�gaard etatad that tha�e wre thrN �rth�r 40 fcot lots faaiag 2nd Straet. IQs. Gab�l arl�ed Mr. Et�deg�ard if he kud talk�d vith tiui q�o�lt an the &1 iwt lot nact isor. 1tr. Di�d�t stii�d that they wn oae o! the first t� call his aba�t bnildin� cm th� �10 fort 1vE � tl�•�r� �ssy awsh is favoa� of ii. Mr. lbras+rts rei#.sr�l�l tlwt this �rould be th� fcnarth iouae ca a 4C1 foct lei-i�n thie i�mra�$ate area. tle. 8ahua'b�l ssl�d if blr. 2ied�aard lwd sp�aifio pl,aeo for • 9� o4�►re foot lwu�o, and Nhat it �id #a� like. Mr, �d�ard stat�d th� hwh Would 'b� a]aost idartiaal to ti►s au nw�t aoor and �eu�a ..0 r�r .�at $F+o,a�r. l�r. Bareq atot�d that h� falt t�at Mr. Ned�aatd va�ld be bw1111ag a niee-loating wiabl� t�ww Mhitt+ ror�ld be w enhaac�eat to th� a�iSMborhNA and an 1aProvuent onr srhRt vao pr�seat]y tiure vhieh var aot a�]�r risvally an eyesore, but pl�laloal�y Laza�rious. bfr. Kwper stated he vould be in favar o� gra�Ciog the varianees beesuee it x�uld b�o gttt3ng rid of • LMlth a�! �fety probl�a, ond a�t b�caues 1t we an a 40 loot lot. Hia deoitipa vould probably be differ�at if thm wr� not houee oa the lot preQant],y. b(r. Pl�i ark� Mr. �degaard that if the varianeso ►»rs approved rhea he pl�nneA �n building and rih�n he vould rnove the preaeat atructur�. Mr. �d�rd ot�tad th�t building �rould depend on the westher, but woulfl renove the atraeture a� soea ar poaaible for the safety of hia o�m kida w�l the other kids on th� bl�ak. lts. GSabel st�tt�d th�t �he would vot� n� so that it r�aa].d Q� befor� City Coun¢il. Ma. Sclanabel soked 1�. Nedegwt�3 it he hsd tMed any otkur houoe p].ane oa this lot in oader to avuid ecr oi th�ae varianees. Nr. lY�de�ard atat�d t1�at tLe trant ynrd aetb�ak oou]d be 3.ePt out� but it �rould look lunqy aad t�e ��K�tsep�atAr a�ra�d Mth hi�. And to build a 17 fcot xide huuse in ar�der to avoid t� aidi yaid �etb�ek� rould not be too pra�tiaal. Ms. Se�b�l aot�d tmat this r�qwst ms difterent frca ot}ur roqueste to bvilel aa► a MO ioot lot brca�ee there were other 40 foot lets is th� aeighbo�haod vith �cialing �a. APFZALS C�SIOA t�'PING, HOV�lIDF� 14, 1978 PAGS 15 4 X Ma. Gabel atate� Lhat in ethsr instan¢ss, the �islsbars did not oa the �e desire it� �rhersR� in this ca,o� the n�ighboi'Y aaitt it. Me. ^,,e�ab�l atats8 t�at 1a thie instanee th�re appesre to be ae otver ].Ar+d available to iaalWwse the siss of the lot. A�TIOP by Mr. Pletiel, seconded by Dlr. Barna to recaoend fcr approval to Couneil th� nqtuat far variaaa�s purswnt to Ciwpter 205 � the Fridley City Code� to allw ttis e�truation of a dwlliag em a 4A foot lot at 4526 8� Street P.S. by rsdueing tlu rvq�ir�d l�t arsa fror 7§Of� square feet to 5160 square fe�t, redueing the roquistid fr�t yard setbaek froo 35 feet to 30 feet� reduoing the ei8ey�ude, oas !'rrr the x�quirea 10 feet to 6 feet, the otlur frar 13 feet to 10 feet, raducing tbe flcwr arw fra� the raquir�ii 10�0 squar� feet to 960 aqware feet, wnd inereASing the lrt aoverage iro� the aaxiaca o2 25 I�ent t� 86 p�rcent, Mi.th the stipulation that ti+� ptsaent strueture be reaoved rith a r�aeaaable length �' tiae (60 dqys). bh�. Kaqa.r stated 3u wvld liks • latter Pro� Mr. Herri¢k, t�e City Attorrny� 8ofining the aceptiane ia thia ¢aw aad tht differ.naea fro■ ot}wr xvqwets t� build cw a 40 f�ot lot. i4. Gabel atatad that she eould ree the naed t� rawve the e�cisting structure aad reAlises the advant�gs. to the neighborhood of baildimg a aex striustur�, but Was atill aanws�d alwut alloving bui]Aing on s 40 fwt lot. Mr. Barna stated tLat �e xoul.�l be sore caofortable with a atiall�r, leaa ezpenrive Ltwss. UP�N A VOIt� V�� %it. BARNA� MR. i�&R� 1�. P7I�7�, Y�TIII�G A]'R� MS. GABSL VOTING HAY� CHAIRi1p�A1f 8CH1fAB�L BSCLN2SD THE DEOR'I0� CA�RI� 4 Tt> 1. l/s. Sebmabel lafa�aad 1Br. Nedegwrd tLat e�rur �f' the reawas lis. 6abe1 vot�d eg�iset the varilqusesi vae to slti[a aur� t� requsirt veuld go to Counail for final appruval� siaoe a b0 foot lot war involvad. Ma. 3eLnabtl atated that she troulII like to iadicste to Couacil tEie folloving reasoas for apprmving tk+is requerts There ia an oxiatiag halth aad safoty prcbima vith the existing rtrwatm�e � thia pr�perty and the Ceoiasiaa�rs feel it woul.d be in tke b�st i�erest ad' ths aelghbonc�Nd that the atruature be reaovs�i as eoon as poseiblt. Qnee it van resov�el� it appears to thla Cw�issi� that it would be a viable pian t� put a a�r r6x�oture � that lot. The mev etrueture wpvld be aarp�tible srith other ezisting hasea 1md lotm ia the �ighborhNd and in thi. yarticulsir caee the aeighbor- heflA sam ts bo favorab]y isalinsd to l�ava a nw struature built on tbat lot. The Cs_issionen feel that tY� City Att�rney should b� reqwsted to write a:�et�r definiag the apeeial eireusatanaea eurrotmding thia v4rianoe request, and hoe th�ee airc�atonces diPfer iria an un-isproved isterior 40 foot lot. It hae also beea deteraia�d thst thsze vas a� �dja@snt awilable laad whioh cOUld be p�rakwaed to incrfaae the aise of tLis let. Th� lot vao presently served by City ae�rsr and weter. M�. Gab�l �tot�et t}�t b�iag arrare oi tiu legal problea�a the City rr�s present�y faaed vitL oeaaeraing 40 fost lpta, aad r�t haviiag thes resal.rad, is �,e►rther roasoa for sae oi lur oaaaern. Mr. Keag�er s�tteel tl�rt Lie vote for apprtmal rrsq sore a vcrte for reela�stioa of a bad eitua�tiam ra�ur tlasn taait �pprovQl. for building � a 40 fort lat. I(�. Roi�ii�]. euggtat�d LLat b�oause the Plaeni�ia C�is�iNt Meeting an the PP� � probably bo a sh�t ane bec4u+e oP Ttuwita�irinei aad becauw the only itetie �isenaNd at that aeeEisiQ rouid be to reaeive �inuL�r� sht wuld liln to aeeL st wnoCLer tise t� diacnes tha saning aha�ges. The Caaiaeioaera qgreed t� iset a� T�aly, D�rr �8 at 7s 30. Chalrva�an SnLnabel �a].arad tlu �ovqber 14� 19T8 Ap�als C�i�aicn liseting adjau'a�i-at 3At35 P.M. /i./. .��7 � . a.'`'�:'+yyi"l�;�*^�FiT'�;.'�Tt'i�i 4Y