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PL 03/22/1978 - 30488CITY OF FRIDL�Y PLANNING COAiMISSION MrETING __ __ MARCH 22, �'78 � �'� C ti.LL TO ORD�R: - Ch�irperson Harris called the March 22, 1978, Planning Commission mee�ting to or3er at 7:37 P,P�. RQLL CALL PRembers Present: Members Absent: Others Present: � Shea, Bergman, Harris, Gabel, Langenfeld Peterson/Suhrbier Schnabel, Gabel representing Jerrold Boardman, City Planner AFPROVE PL.4�TNING COr�IMIS,SION MINUTES• MARCH 8, 1�78 MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to approve the March $, 1978, Planning Commission minutes. Mr, Langenfeld asked that the words ��and City Council'� added to the �last sentence of the third Paragraph on P age 9, so that the sentence u�rould read, t�He felt that the whole situation was very interestin� because he Nas getting the feeling that any time a citizen uranted to request something that could be hard to get, thai person cauld apply �� for a Specail Use Permit and because of tl�e legal asFects they tivould be able to be �ranted the Permit a�lci 1:h�y titrould have the Commission and City Council "licked�� ! iT UPON A VOICE VOTE, all votino a;�e, the motion carri�d una-riimously. The minutes ivere appr�ved at 7:39 P.M. 1. CONTINUEll: VACATION RE�UEST SAV 8-01 BY JGS�'PH SINIGkZI�; VACI�TE �.B�h AVENU� NE ADJA�F�tT ^10, AND �OUTH UF LOT 1, t3LOCK� 1, PLYMOUTH ADDITION; A:`VD ADJACENT �'0 AND NORTH QF LOT 30, BLOCK $, PLY1�i�UTH ADDITION; EAST OF 3rd STREET NE AND 4i,EST OF UNTVERSITY AVENIIE NE. Mr. Boardman indicated. that the storm anci sanitary se��cer lines in the street crere presen�ly being used by the City of Calumbia Heigl�ts. He said that utility easements would have to be maintained a�t the time of the vacation. He said the easements tivould involve the north 25 feet of the lot to be vaca�ted. Mr. Sinigalio said that he had Y�eer� told previous to the meeLing the storm an� sanitary sec�er lines �vere in use. ;-ie said that h�e still v�antecl to request the vacation of 48th Avenue NE as stated the request. ��4 that in PLANNING COMMISSION MFETING - MARCH 22, 1978 Pa�e z Chairperson Harris over the easement, over it. indicated that Mr. Sinigalio could put a driveway but that he couldn't build a permanent structure Ms. Gabel tivanted to know who would be responsible if Mr. Sinigalio put a drive�ay over the easement and then the City wanted access to the utilities. . Chairperson Harris said that it would be the homeowners responsibility. Mr. Sinigal�io said that he had talked to Mr. Nathan Geurts who vras the adjacent land owner. Mr. Geurts had said that he was in agreement tivi.th the eacation as long as he could maintain access to his rear yard. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Vacation Request, SAV #78-01, by Joseph Sinigalio: Vacate 48th Avenue NE (Adjacent to, and South of Zot 16, Block 1, Plymouth Addition; and adjacent to and riorth of Lot 30, Block 8, Plymouth Addition; East of 3rd Street NE and West of University Avenue NE) with the stipulation that utility easements for storm and sanitary sewer lines be =etained. OPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. PUBLIC HEARING• CONSIDERATIUN Ur' x�:c�u�ST rvx 5r.�c:lr�.�., u,�r� r�rav�l� SP #78-03, BY HARVEY D. ROZSTAD:_ PER FRIDI,EY CITY CODE, S�CTIO. 205.051,2,A, TO ALLO�"� A SECOND ACCESSORY BUILDING, A TUCI�-IINUER GARA�E� TO BE CONSTRIICTED ALONG V�IITH A NEVJ.HOUSE, LOCATED ON LOT 15, AND THE SOUTHERLY 15 FEET OF LOT 14s BLOCK 12� PZYMOUTH ADDITION, THE SAME BEING 4600 2nd STREET NE. . � MOTION by Mr. Zangenfeld, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to open the Public Hearinge Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing v�as opened at 7:51 P.M. Mr. Boardman explained ihat this request for a Special IIse Permit was one part of a two-part re�uest. He said that the next request �vas for a Lot Split that would result in two single family lots. He said that there was presently a garage on the property that ��rould be incorporated with the construction of_the new house and tuck-under garage. Mr. Ralstad indicated that his family had two cars, two pick-up trucks, two boats, four motorcycles, and ttivo la�mmowers. He sai.d that he definitely needed the additinnal garage space so he could store everything inside a building instead of i� the yard. � �� ,,"',� P��ANNING COMMISSION M�ETING - MARCH 22, 1�7� pa�;e 3 Chairperson Harris asked whn� the lot size �vas. ,�: Mr.� Boardman said that the entire lot was equivalent to three �.0 foot lots. He said they wanted it split into two lots, one 55feet �vide and the other 65 feet vride. Chairperson Harris asked vrhy the corner lot tivas being proposed for 55 feet N�ide and the interior lot for 65 feet tivide. He felt that the larger lot should be the corner lot. He also tivanted to knoa�� �rhy the lot wouldn't be split into t�vo 60 foot lots. Mr. Rolstad said that�if the interior lot was made any�smaller, the dividing line would be in the midcile of the driveway of the present house. Mr. Bergman asked if Mr. Rolstad lived in the existing house. Mr. Rolstad said �hat he did live in the existing house. He said that he planned to build a ne�v house on the adjoining lot incorporating the existing garage vrith the proposed house. Mr. Boardman asked i.f the present driveway was right up to the proposed 65 foot lot line. � Mr. Rolstad said that it �vas. Mr. Boardman asked if it was possible for Mr. Rolstad to have the ^ one lot 56 feet t�ide and make the lot �.th the existing house 64 feet �vide. . Nir. Rolstad said that it probably tiQtouldn� t look that good to the � Ferson buying the existing house, but tha� it vdould be possible. He said that he wanted to line his ne�v house up ti+rith the South side of his garage. Mr. Boardman said that the house was 26 feet� .and if he had a 55 foot lot and ��rith a ten foot side yard setback, that it would result tivith his being 1g feet from the lot Tine. He said that he had been�granted a aariance reducing the setback to 20 feet. He said that Mr. Rolstad would have to make a 56 foot lot to accommodate his plans. Mr. Rolstad said that he �vould shift the lot line to the North�l2 inches, thereby creating a 56 foot �ride lot on the corner of 46th Avenue and Znd Street NE. MOTION by Ms. Shea, IIpon a voice vote, The Fublic Hearing � � seconded by Ms. Gabel, to all voting aye, the mo�ion was closed at 8:06 P.M. close the Public Aearing. carried unanimously. -�-r.., � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - M�RCH 22, 1978 Pa�e 4 MOTION by Ms� Gabel, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that the Planning . Commission recommend approval of the Cons.ideration of Request for ,.,.� Special Use Permit, SP #�8-03, by Harvey D. Rolstad: Per Fridley City Code,� Section 205�051,2,A, to allow a second accessory building� a tuck-under garage, to be constructed along with a new house, located on Lot 15, and the Southerly 16 feet of Lot 14, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, the same being 4600 2nd Street NE. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. LOT SPLIT RE�UEST, L.S. #78-01� BY HARVEY Do ROLSTAD: SPLIT OFF THE SOUTH�RLY 15 FEET OF LOT 14� BLOCK�12, PLYMOUTH ADDITION,.AND ADD IT TO LOT 1.5, BLOCI� 12, PLYMOUTH ADDITION, TO MAKE A BUILDABLE SINGLE F�IMILY LOT� THE SAME BEING 4600 2ND STRE�T NE � Mr. Bergman asked if there was any easement problems with this request. Mr. Boardman said that there were no easements necessary. Mr. Bergman pointed out that Mr. Rol�tad was in agreement that the Lot Split result in a lot 56 feet wide and a lot 64 feet wide. MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the Lot Split Request, L.S� #78-01, by Harvey D. Rolstad: Split off the Southerly 16 Feet of Lot 14, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, and add it to Lot 15, Block 12, Plymouth Addition, ta make a buildable single family lot, the same being ,,,,, 4600 2nd Street N�. ' 'OPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris indicated that both requests that'had been made by Mr.�Harvey D. Rolstad �rould go to City Council on April 3, 1978. �. .PIIBLIC HEARING: R�ZONING RE UEST ZOA 8-01 BY DAVID KRAMBER: REZONE LOTS 2Z, 23, 24� BLO.CK , I'RIDLEY PARK, FROM R-3 GENERALLY MULTIPLE DtiVELLINGS) TO CR-1 (GENERALLY OFFIC�S AND LIMITED • BIISINESSES) TO ALL04'V THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PROFESSIONAL BUILDIATG, THE S�t�iE BEING 6503 EAST RIVER ROAD NE 5. SIDE OF EAST RIVER ROAD). VACATE THE 12 FOOT 50 BLOCK ON THE EA.ST Chairperson Harris said that Mre David Kramber had vrithdrawn his requests. He read the letter to the Conmission and the audience .that st�ted that Mro KramUer felt that the costs involved in developing the property were too prohibitive. MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that the letter from Mr. David Kramber be received by the Planning Commission, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the moti�on carried unanimously. . �l PLANNING COMMISSION M� �, IT1G - M�RCH 22, 1978 Pa�e Mro Charles Langer of 6530 Hickory Street NE said that when he ;�"�, �,urchased his house� he had been assured that the area was zonecl residential.� He V�anted to know if the City of Fridley would actually consider makin� the lot in question commercial. Chairperson Harris said that a pe�;itioner could make the request. He said that the_ Planning Cbmmission v�aould take the input from the Staff, surrourdin.g ueighbors, and their own inp.ut and use the data in the�r cansideration of the request. I3e pointed out that it was very diificult to rezone property in �he City of Fridley. Mr. Langer asked if the Commission would�consider the requesto He asked if they �vould abandon the plan for• the City. Mr. I,angenfeld said that the property was presently zoned R-3 and that it couldn't be rezoned until a hearing took place before the Planning Commission. He said that at that point in time a11 the people involved �vould again be notified. . Mr. Langer wanted to know how the adjacznt neighbors could control the rezoningo Chairperson Harris sa%d that it was the perrogative of an.y proper�y oti�ner to petition for a rezoning. He said that whether it vaas rezoned or not was another matter. �--.� Another neighbor in i.he audience warited to know if the alley vacation could be rsquest�d without rezoning the lots. Chairperson Harris said that it could be vacated if someone made ihe request. He said that someone would have to formally request the alley vacation before the Planning Commission could do anything. 6o RECEIVE AMENDED PARK AND OPEN SPACE PLAN Mr. Dennis L. Schneider, Councilmember; and Mr. Charles Boudreau, Parks � Recreatio� Director vaere present at the meeting regarding the amended Park and Open Space Plan. MOTTON by 1�4r. Langenfeld; seconded by Mse Gabel, that the Planning Commission receive the amended Park and Open Space Plan. Mr. Boardman said that after the Plan �ras reviewed, Staff xe� evaluated some of the statements that had been made, looked at comments that ha�. been made'by the Planning Commission, and they amended the Plan so that it was in a more ti�rorkable order. He said that the Introduction tivas changed to reflect some recommendations that had been made, He said that the Goals and Objectives tivas changed so that there were seven objectives instead of five� as per a recommendation by the Planning Com�ission. He s�id that the two ,� o3jectives added �ere �.)Provide proper conservation and management for r.afiural, open-space areas; and 5) Ensure proper management of park and � re�,reation programs. PLANNING COMMISSION M�ETING - MARCH 22, 1�78 � . Pa�e 6 Mr. Boardman said that the Snventory and Analysis section would still be amended somewhat. He said that.instead of putting the Citizen Iiiput first� they tix�ould put �xis�ing Park System first, - � Facility Iriventory, Recreation Program Inventory, Regional Park Facilities, Needs and Desires of the Co�nmunity, the Citizen Input, the Breakdotivn of the Neighborhoods, The Neighborhood Survey Information, Neighborhood maps would then be included, Neighborhood Input, and then Recommendations on Park Facilities. Mr. Boardman said that some re�vriting was done on the Regional Parks Facilities sec�ion to make the content more appropriate with the Plan. Mr. Boardman said that the Neighborhooc� Mags had the breakdown of the population for the different neighborhoods. Mr. Boardman said that a re�rite was done on the Summary of Findings Section of the Park and Open Space Plan. He said that the reurrite w►as done in order to take into consideration all the concerns of the Planning Commission. He said that it was �amend"ed. somewhat with � the proper Summary of Findings under the proper objective. Mr, Boardman said. that in the Policies and Recomnendations Section Objective 1� Policies 1& 2� still didn't have a complete re�rrite. He said that there vras a complete rewrite on a11 the other Objectives, Recommendations and Policies. Mr. Boardman said that under the Obj�ct�ves, the Policies were based � on the Summary oi Findings. He said they were grouped under the � Policies and all the recommendations were relating to the Summary of Findings. Mr. Boardman said that at the end of the Section on Policies and Recommendations there tivill be a map of the proposed park system. Mr. Boudreau said that he felt the Amended P arks and Open Space Plan tivould be a very �dorkable Plan. He said it was a very tivorkable document to guide the developmeni of a Park System in the City of Fridley over the next�five years. He saic� that the Plan would :_.. , most likely be constantly updated and he felt �he verbage in the document �ras such that . flexibility would be allotved. Mr. Boudreau said that it would result in an interacting system of Park development that ��ould include all the opportunities that are offered in the City of Fridley. Chairperson Harris asked ho�v much money would be needed to implement th� Plan. � Mr. Boudreau estimated that to implement the Total Plan including a Fridley Recreation Building, tvould be ten million dollars over five years. �1 . �"`.� PLANNING COMMISSION MI�rTTNG - M�RCH 22, 1978 Pa�e 7 Mr. Boudreau said�that he thaught to accomplish_v�hat was in the � ,� 3��nded Parks and Open Space Plan with needed programs �nd facilities to �ervice.all the people in Fridley that the cost would be in the ten million dollar area. He said he wasn't sure how much of that amount could come from Grants, State, Federal, Local Governments, etc. He said �Lhat Fridley cauld get by spending a lot less or a lot more. It would depend on what the people of Fridley wanted. Mr. Schneider �:anted to know approximately wl�at percentage of that dollar figure would�come from grants or government funding. Mr. Boardman said that if a Fridley Recreation Building was to be inclu�ied that there was no recreational grants available to construct buildin�s. He said that Fridley would have to consider ways to raise mon�y for that Building. He said that the building alone would probably cost betv�een 1& 1�t million dollars. Mr. Boardman said that the rest of the construction probably vrouldn't get a lot of grants either. He said that possibly to complete the park system, F'ridley could get some acquisition grants. He said thaic the normal day-to-day activities in the park facilities to make them more useful will most likely have to come from the local "pockets�'. Mr. Boardman said that some of the changes could be made more on a budget-type operation. He sai�d the changes could be made gradually over a�eriod of yea-rs. He said that what was to be looked at vras ��� a document that will give t�e direction to go over that period of „ years. - - Mr. Boudreau said that the estimated dollar figure was based on th.e fact that there would be a Fridl�y Recreation Complex that wc,uld service all age groups and allow for the variaus activities that are usually conducted at a Recreation Center. He said that the land, the building, and the full development of the building would probahly make�up half of the ten million dollar figure. Mr. Boudreau indicated that such things as the watering systems, rest room facilities, and the needed shelter buildings of the community parks would require approximately 50-60 thousand dollars each. Mr. Boudre�u said that the Plan wa� also considering Land Acquisit;ion and he felt that at the cost of land today, it �vouldn�t take long to add up to many thousands dollars. Mr. Bpardman .fe1t that approximately thr.ee million dollars of that total amount could be obtai�ed through Grants over the five�-year-reriod. Mr. Boudreau said that he felt about fundings. He said that it tivould be ti�lalk���ay trails� etc. � 60/ of the money tivould be from State for land acquisitioiis, bike�vay/ PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - MARCH 22, 1978 Pa�e 8 Mr. Bergman asked what the dollar impact would be of completing ,,,.,� this Document in de�ail. He said including land acquisition, buildin�sg equipment� but exclusive of the �aintenance that would be innolved. Mr. Boudreau said ihat if Fridley wanted the �'ul�imate" that the Plan could allovr, it could be up to ten million dollars. He sai� that the fTexibility of the Plan also would allow as little as they desired. He said that the Parks and Open Space Plan had the flexibility and the guidelines. He said that the cost tivould be entirely dependent on what the citizens of Fridley wanted. Mr. Bergman said that the Document was an ambitious plan as so defined. Mr. Langenfeld� said that the Planning Commission �vas not approving a funding proposition. He said that they were only approving a document. Mr. Bergman said that he had heard that this Plan to be implemented couid cost ten million dollars. He said that 60/ could come from different Grants. He wanted to know where tl�e 40% would come from. Mr. Boardman said that the document was not a money document. He said that it really didn't have a dollar and cents sign. He said that Mr. Boudreau had mentioned the dollar figure and that may be the type of system needed to develop the Plan which would satisfy the needs of the residents of the City of Fridley. Mr. Boardman also pointed out that Mr. Boudreau mentioned that this document could be placed in the Stan.dard Budgets and the comple�ion of the docur�ent could be limited. Mr. Boardman sa:i.d that the Plan leaves it open as ico the direction that Fridley can. go with the Plan. Mr. Bergman still lvanted to kno� where the other y.0/ would come from. Mr. Boudreau said it could be a Bond Issus, if the citizens so desired. Mr. Langenfeld said that the Parks and Open Space Plan was a guide, a source of direction. Iie said that it yrould not be a fixed document. Chairperson Harris asked if Mr. Boudreau felt that from working in the Community if he felt the average age of the City of Fridley was getting older. Mr. Boudreau said that the average age in Fridley was getting older. He said that the recreation grogram in the City was being atuned to take care of that older average age. Chairperson Harris asked if there was enough flexibility allowed in the Plan to take that into consideration. He asked if the City of Fridley Nas overloaded with "tot lot" type parks. ,� � r� � PZANNING CONR�IISSION MEETIl`�G - MARCH 2z. 197$ pa��. Mre Boudreau said that in ac�ualit�y the City vras overloaded with ''tot luts�'. He said �hat the City had many parks that won� t acc�mmodate�anythin� more than ���ot lott� �yp� parks. I+�r. Boudreau said that the Plan did not tie the City into anything permanent. He said that there was a flexibility buil� a.n�to the �ropose�l iacilities so that it could be adapted to the changing needs of the Community. He said that the Plan says to put character ir.to the parks such as landscaping because the trees will grovr as tHe children grotiv, Mr. Bergman referenced page 5 of the Inventory and of the araendedParks & Open Space Plan. He bvanted to rrould be a map of the Neighborhood Boundaries and a area and_population p�r neighborhood. Mr. Boardman said that the maps would be included. Analysis Section know if there comparison of Mr. Bergman vdanted to know if the neighborhood sizing tivould b� the same as the last time the Planning Commission saw the maps. Mr. Boardman said that . they ti�rould be the same for aow. He said that a survey was to be conductec� this stimtner and if � the survery reflects a change, then a change ti�rould be plac�d in the documents shov�ing the neighborhoods as decided fron� the ne�r survey. Mro Bergman said that Community Development ind:icated that �rhile the guidelines for the neighborhood.identificatiors� are equal population by type and ainount, ec�ual areas and n�.tural boundaries; that �he delineation of the neighb�rhoods as they exist in the Parks and Open Space Plan are in drastic conflict tivitn. those guidelines to the extent that one neighborhood (13) is equa3. to,in size, five other neighborhoods - far from equality, Ia eq_izal iu population to four or fiti*e other neighbo�haod total�- far from equality. He said the 'identifi�ation of neighborhoods should be made more equal bJ the guidelines that i�e�e the criteria. Mr. Boardman said �hat population �vas nat a criteria of the guide3;.nes. Mr. Bergman felt that population should be a criteria. Mso Gabel said that population tivas not necessarily � reaiistic criteria for establishing neighborhood groups. Mr. Langenfeld said that if it meets the needs Qf the area, then population v�as iusignifican�. Mr. Boudreau said that to look at the motal P1�1 and keep within a System he took tile input from the neighbarhoods as 1�rha� that area ti�r,arited to see in the total Park System. � AZro I3er�man said that there �vas unequal represen�atior�. PLANNING COP�IMISSION P��rTING - MARCH Z2, 1978 ' Pa�e 10 ., Mr. Boudreau said �hat the neighborhoods were merely input areas. a,,,� He said that population did play a part of it because they want to kno�v the characteristics of that population, but only for the purposes of �aahere will they get the majority using an activity or a facility. He said it vrould not indicate what that particular neighborhood vJants for i;heir neighborhood� but u�hat u�ras needed for the total park system. Mr. Bergman wanted �o know why nezghborhoods were needed. Chairperson Harris said they Urere needed to gather and di��eminate information. � Chairperson Harris asked ho�r the proposed facilities were going to be adaptable to winter activities. Mr. Boudreau said that it was up to the citizens of Fridley as to what types of programs they wanted. He said that one of the main reasons a Fridley Recreation Building was needed vras to accommodate more of the people, more of the time. Chairperson Harris asked if the planned layout of the general facilities would be adaptable for use in the winter as well as in the summer. Mr. Boardman said that berming would be used as a division of areas. He said that the berming that would take place �,rould not interfere � with the open £ield activities. He said they would be put in as buffering devices between active and passive areas. - Mr. Boudreau said that each park would have a site plan that would enable them to visually see hovr each plannsd area �rould work and how they could develop the area for maximum usage. Mr. Boudreau said that Objective 1 was probably the= "secret" of the �vhole document, �'be sensitive to the site amenities .. and provide the flexibility into the planning so the facility can be utilized year around". He sai:d that the Plan did allow for that objective by 1) recommending site plans; 2) recommending citizen input; and 3) �vhat activities that will be at that facility. Chairperson Harris asked vrhat would happen to the undeveloped park properties located in the City. - Mr. Boudreau said that some park properties would be sold. Fie said that, in the System, there �vas no u�eful purpose for some properties desi�nated as P ark property. n _ . �,.�,s. r P7�AN:�TING COMP�I�."zSIOPI MrT',TING - t�I�.i�CH 22, 19 $ Pa�e 11 Mr. Ber�nan said �that general,ly speaking the Parks and Open� Space Plan �"�as a�iine planning document. Iie said that there had been a lot of e�'�ort expended on the Plan anc� as a plar� much innovative thoughts have gone into it. He said tha.t in some cases the Policies do not deY°ine tne means that vrill or �vill not be used to achieve the objectives. Ms. Gabel said tha� it was not always known. vrhat those means vroula be. Mr. Bergman said that by definition it said that policy defines the means that will or vrill not be used to achieve the objectives. He said that if that vras the ti�ay the Plan L��as being developed then we should be able to establish the objectives and the policies needed to enforce the method of achieving �he objective. He said that some did no� tie in that vray. Mr. Boardman explained how the statements made in the Plan were arrived at. Mr. Bergman suggested that someone re-read the policies to check thai they are policy statements and that th.ey relate to the objectives. Ms. Cabel asked �rhat the Planning Commission�s goal tivas on March Z2� 1978. P•4ra Boa.rdman said ihat they should discuss the amended P�rks and � Open Space Plan. He said that he �ranted -�he Planniilg Commission � to recommend th�?t the Plan have a Public Hearing sa that the dacumen'c can be presented to the peoplee Pir. Lan�enfeld asked ��rhen the Public Heari�.g .�ras being planned fer. Mr. Boardman said that it ti�iould be at the Apri1 ,5, 1978, meeting. He indicated the people triat would be notified of.the Public Hearing. Mr.�Boudreau ;�aid that they nat onl� were coordinating vrith the other facilities in the City such as private parks and school systems, but they also coordinate �rith thecommercial activities available in the City of I'ridley. � UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimouslyo The Amencled Parks and Open Space. glan was received at 1,0:0.6 P.M. Ms. Gabel said that the Parks and Open Space Plan vfas a��Super�' plan and she hoped that all the monies couid be obtained for it. Mr. Bourdreau said that it �irst had to be decided by the citizens • of Fridley exactly ti�ahat Ievel of i;he Plan they ��ant. He felt that the City of Fridley deserved, vranted, and needed the ultimate plan. � PLANNING COMMISSION ME�TING - Ml�RCH 22�8 , pa�e 12 MOTION by Mr. Ber�man, seconded by Ms. Gabel, that Staff finalize the Parks and Open Space Plan as presented and discussed and establish a Public Hearing. . IIPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting ayea the motion carried unanimously. ?. MOTION by Ms, Shea� receive the minutes Commission meeting. carried unanimously. $. RECEIVE HUMAN N COMMIS seconded by Ms. Gabel, that the Planning Commission of the February 27, 1978, Parks and Recrea�ion Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion MTPiUTES : I�OTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the March 2, 1978, minutes of the Human Resources Commission meeting. IIpon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 9. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MARCH 14s 1978 � MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission receive the Appeals Commission minutes of March 14a �978. Chairperson Harris questioned the s�ated hardship in some of the items handled at ihat meeting. . Ms. Gabel said th°at the actual hardship was that the people living in the builclings had no other feasible place to park other�than the front yards. She s�3.d that since the City �ras resurfacing the streets, the otvners of the buildings �verE being informed that they had to get a variance to park in the front yards. Mr. Boardman said that Staff had to indicate exactly �that the people say tivhen asked �ahat their hardship tivas. . UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 10. OTHER BUSIIV�SS A. Mr. Langenfeld reminded the other Commission members that, the Hyde Park general meeting raould be held on March 29, 1978. Mr. Boardman said that a general meeting vrith the residents of the Hyde Park area would be held on March 29, 1978. He said that from there, the issue would go to the Planning Commission with recommendations for zoning and recommendations for approval of an overall plan for development. � ,� � ,,� __ PL�tNriING COMMISSION MT:I�;TING - M�.RC1I Z2, 1978 Pa�;e 1� B. L�T�RGY COP�IMMISSION �� l�ir. Bergman said that at the previous mee�ing the members had asked to come up �Rrith names of citizens to serve-on an Energy . Commission. He sai� that a ci'cizen he �ran�ted to suggest tiras Ben �c�ers. He said that Mr. ��vers iRras an employee of NSP and tivas i�terested in sPrving on an Energy Commission. I�r.�Langenfeld said that a Statement of Fact was n�cessary. He also fe�t that the Energy issue should be.broken down into catagories such as conservation� education, etc. Chairperson Harris asked trlat the Energy issue be put on the Agenda for Anril 5� 1978. He felt tha.t the other members of the Commission should have had time to give this item some � consideration. Mr. Iiergman said that it ti�rould be interesting to establish vdhat t��ould be expected from the Energy Commission as �rell as establishing the guidelines. C. Ms. Shea said that the March 22� 1978� meeting was her last meeting. She said that she ha� been on the Commission for t1V0 years and had learn�d much. One thing Ms. Shea commented on tivas the fact �hat the Ag:�ndas were received by the me�nbers of the Co�amission on Friday ^ previous to the Planning Commission meetings and she felt _ it �vas very impor�ant for the member s of the Com�ission ta either look at the property being discussed or at least find out about the proper�ya She felt i;hat very oficen questions t�ere asYed of the petitioner that shouldntt have -�o be.asked if the m�mbers had e�one proper preparing for tlle meeting. Ms. Shea said that the Planning Commission altivays go through the minutes of the meetings page-by-page, tivhen all the members have already read. the minutes. She many times had gotter_ the feeling that the members of the Commission don�t even read the documents until they arrive at the meeting, Ms. Shea-said that the members spend a lot of time on the Commission 1Jith v�ry little thanks from the City. She said she had been thinking at Christmas time i-ir�i�r nice ii: �vould have been if the �ity ivoulcl have taken i:he Planning Coramission members and spouses out to �inner. She felt that City really� did not appreciate c�ha-t the n�embers of the Planning Gommission raere doir�g. Ms. Shea said that generally serving on the Commission had been a good experience for her. 'n been he PLAPJNING COt4MISSION NTr1ING - M�1RCH 22, 19,�8 P�,�; e 14 Ms. Shea als4�didn�t like.the fact that many times all the Commissions ti�rere not represented. She felt that the Commission m�mbers should take a more respon.sihle attitude toti�rards their commitment. Chairperson Harris commented on the statement by Ms, Shea regarding the "unnecessary" questions. He said that there was t��o possible answe.r. s to tlie comment: . a)"Maybe if you ask a stupid question� you may avoid a stupid mistake"; b) Asking questions was a vehicle used by certain Attorneys for getting certain points th�y want to make put into the record. Chairperson H'arris said that the Commission enjoyed having Ms. Shea as a member and he wished that she would continue, Mr. Langenfeld sai.d that he also enjoyed U�orking with her on the Planning Commission. D, Mro Boardman said that there would be an upcoming discussion at the Planning Commission level as to what the £unctions of the Commissions vrere. E. Mro L�ngenfeld agreed that very fed�1 people appreciated how hard the Commissions �rorked. Mr. Bergman felt that a recognition dinner �r�ould definitely be in orcier. ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mso Shea� to adjourn the March 22, 1978, Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 10:33 P.M. Res�ectfully submitted' %� , riaryLee Carhill Recording Secretar� 0 ,.-1 � � � ,�r.