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PLANNIN6 COMMISSIOM MEETING
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 19, 1979
7:30 P.M. �
PUBLIC
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PLANNIN� COMMISSION MEETING
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
City of Fridley
AGENDA
WEDNESDAY, DECEt1BER 19, 1979
APPROVE PLANNING CO!4MISSION MIPlUTES: NOVEMBER 28, 1979
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMSER 7, 1979
1. CONTINUED: RROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING
2. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMIS5IOP� MINUTES: DECEMBER
6, 1979
3.
4. REGEIVE APPEALS GOMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 11, 1979
5. OTHER BUSINESS:
ADJOURNMEMT:
7:30 P.M.
SEPARATE
SALMON
PINK
YELLOW
(at meeting)
CITY OF FRIDLEY
, PLANNING COMMISSION P��TING, NOVEMBER 28, 1979
CALL TO ORDI:R
Chaixman Harris called the Planning Commission meeting of NovemUer 28, 1979, to
order at %:36 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Members Present: Mr. Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Harris, Mr. Treuenfels, Mr. Hora,
Ms. Schnabel (arrived at 7:47 P.M.)
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Jerry Boardman, City Planner
Bill Deblon, Associate City Planner
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: NOV II�1BER 7, 1979: �
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to approve the Planning Commission
minutes of November 7, 1979 as corrected.
Ms. Hughes asked fox the following clariEications to the minutes:
Page 9, 3rd paragraph, last sentenee to read; She felt the dollar amounts alloted
for t�e total requests should be increased, for example to $20,000 each, plus increase
the amount of the contingency fund to help fund the critical area requests, at a
proper an3 acceptable level, such as S9CA.
Page ll, last sentence; All SACA pays was $40 a...
Page 12, first complete sentence, first paragraph; Saca serves more Fridley residents
then Columbia Heights and Fridley should help in the funding.
Mx. Oquist askad to have the Sth paxagraph from the bottom, page 3, omitted £rom the
record.
UFON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRNfAN IIAREtIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIZIOUSLY .
1. PUIiLIC HEARING• PEQUEST EOR A SPECIAL USF. PERMIT SP. �k79-12, BY RICHARD N.
CARLSON: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.157, D, to allow the construction
o£ a 26' x 25-1/2' addition to an existing house in CRP-2 (flood plain), lo-
cated on Lots 5, 6, and 7, Block W, Rivexview tieights, the same being 615
Cheryl Street N.E.
Mr. Boardman said this addition was in the flood plain asea and the pxoposal was fox
living area above the garage. A garage was considered an accessory building. He
checked with the state to see if the flood plain affects accessory buildings. The
state replied because there was no l.iving area in an accessory building and the
damage done on accessory buildings was limited, they are exempt from setback and fill
requirements that are normally imposed in the ilood plain disbrict. However, a special
use pexmit will be xequired because Chey are building, in the flood ploin. Ae said
after staff reviewal, they felr flood plain criteria was being met and the application
shouid be approved.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMSER 28 1979 PAGE 2
Mr. Harri's asked if electrical or water services needed special consideration
bacause of the CRP-2 zoning.
Mr. Boardman replied because this was an accessory building and exempt in the
flood plain, therefore no special regulations were required. He said the addition
was on an existing home and would have to conply with tfie total flood plain disrtict.
Mr. Richard Carlson, 615 Cheryl Street NE, was present for the request. He said all
the electrical outlets would be located approximately 2 feet above the flood plain
high water level. Mr. Carlson pointed out there will be a SS gallon dxum located in
the garage floor for any water runoff, such as snow melting.
Mr. Harris asked to have the 2 foot lavel for electrical outlets stipulated in the
motion iE approved.
Ms. Hughes questioned what the addition would be used for and if there would be
bathroom facilities.
Mr. Carlson replied there will be 2 bedrooms, a small recreation room and a bath.
The bathroom facilities will be located on the plumb wall of the existing structure
so no new water lines will have to be installed. ��;; ;
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman why he checked with the state on this application.
Mr. Boardman replied he checked because of the way ou� code read, ... sttuctures
for habitation constructe3 on fill shall be constructed so that the basement floor
or first floor, if there is no basement, is abwe the regulation flood level ...
The question came up, was a garage with structure above for habitation really a
habitation structure or an accessory building, He asked the State what their intent
was on accessory buildings because the way the city code was written, staff could
have taken it either way. The state said if the living area above an accessory use
was out or above the potential area for damage, it should be considered an accessory
use. '
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN FIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY, PUBLIC I3EAI2ING CLOSED AT 7:53 P,M.
MOTION .by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Hora to recommend to City Council approval
of Special Use Permit ��79-12 by Richard N. Carlson, with the following stipulation:
1. Electrical services be 2 feet above the flood plain level (100 year
flood elevation).
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY. "
2, LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. �r`79-08, BY G.W. PASCHKE: Split off the East 1 foot of
Lot 10, Block 1, Paco Indc�strial Park (7150 Commerce Circle West) and add it to
Lot 9, Block 1, Paco industrial,Park (200 Commerce Circle South) because of
building encroachment.
Mr. Boardman said this was a surveyor error. The 2 lots are owned by Mr. Paschke
and.the building was located on Lot 4 with a 1 foot encroachment on Lot 10.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMi3ER 28, 1979 PAGE 3
Mr. Boar�lman explained that Mr. Paschke would like to get the building placement
squared up with the lot lines for future possible ownership by 2 parties. The city
has no problems with this lot split request. Mr. Boardman also stated there was a
20 foot error on the south lot line. Mr. Paschke, Suburban Engineering and the city
were trying to woxk out a solution £ox that problem. Mr. Paschke thought he bought
more land then he really did and has already done some heavy landscaping in the
area in question. It was belived that- the drainage ditch was located on Paschke's
Land but was xeally on park property,
MOTION Uy Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mx. Oquest to reco�end to City Council approval
of L.S, �79-08, G.W. Paschke.
UPON A VOIC� VOTF., ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLAKED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
3. RECEIVE IiUM9N RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEMBER 1 1979
MOTION by•Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Hughes to receive the Human Resources
Commission minutes of November l, 1979.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN IIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Hughes asked Mr, Treuenfels if his commission had any sub-committe�s, besides the
Fine Arls of Fridley Committee.
Mr. Treuenfels replied no and said he believed even the rine Arts Committee had
expired.
Ms. Hughes said she could see the KKIQ� (KoQing with Kids fxom Kradle to Kindexgaxten)
program becoming a city program and wondered where that program should be housed.
Whether it was something to be handled under Auman Resources or Parks and Recreation
and her cotcmiission. ' .
Mr. Treuenfels said presently the KKKK was under Community Education and received
housing, utilities and janitorial expenses from them. The Human Resources had
approved a matching grant of up to $1500 for KKKK.
Mr. Boardman pointed out the Planning Commission had deleted any funds for KKKK at
their last meeting and Human Resources were now recommending a matching gxant of
$1500.
Ms. Hughes asked if the $3100 asked for by KICKK was their total budget besides what
they receive from Community Education.
Mr. Treuenfels said yes.
Ms. Hughes commented that this looked like it weuld be a city program because of lack
of school funding. She questioned if it �aas appropriate to be funding completely such
an organization since there has been no proof of need by the community. She did not
approve of the school shifting the responsibiliCy of funding and ii it was funded by
the city, whicli department will supervise it. She felt funding should be availaUel
at least for the first year.
Mr. Harris said he partially agreed with Ms. Hughes, in that there could be some
community need for the program, but could not see it as a city program. One problem
PT.ANNING COMMISSION MEETING,_NOV IIIBER 28, 1979 PAGE 4
he could•see with the school district funding was because there was more than 1
achool district involved and it would be unfair to run a city-wide program with
oniy 1 district funding it. He felt there should be a coordinating body so that
all the districts could participate in a city program.
Mr. Treuenfels said the KKKK intent was not entirely a recreation program, but it was
not wholly educational either.
Mr. Boardman said the question was not who should run or support the program, but
was it a corporation similar to SACA or Sr. Citizen's Outreach that was requesting
funds for operation. We have to decide if this was a legitimate organization and if
it was providing services to the City of Fridley's residents and therefore eligible
for funding by the city, We should question, should the city be putting money into
this organization not who will operate it.
Mr. Treuenfels said he liked that approach. This organization was aimilar to SACA
because they both receive housing and outside funding and provide some social service
to the residents.
Ms. Hughes said she has to agree with that, however KICKK was getting their major
source of funding from the city. She also pointed out the recreation program does
support groups that are not entirely recreation, but also educational and into the
culture areas, If KKKK was to be in the recreational�ea, do they have some type
of review system similar to other programs that are under recreation funding (i.e.
hockey).
Mr. Harris said it seems HI�HIC was a social service and do we have someone to handle
social services and should the city be getting into that area.
Mr. Boardman pointed out SACA was also a social service that was providing a needed
service to Fridley residents and we fund them. These agencies have to have places
to go in order Co get their funding, and the city was one of the sources. We have
to decide if we feel these services are valid and do we want to use taxpayer's
money to help fund them. The city does have some responsibility to help provide
social services for the residents.
Mr. Harris thought the KKKK program should be under Human Resources.
Ms. Hughes asked if there was staff personnel to supervise this prograzn.
Mr. Boardman xeplied a new person had been hired and she would be introduced later
in the evening. He explained she would be handling this type of work.
Mr. Harris felt Human Resources should be riding herd on the agencies that receive
funds from the city.
Mr. Boardman stated not necessarily riding herd, but the Human Resource Commission
will be setting the criteria when requests for funds come in. They will be able to
decide who get the funds and how much they receive.
Mr. Harris asked if it was in the relm of the city's responsibility to keep track of
how the funds were spent within each fiscal year. Ae felt an annual report by the
agencies should be brought in each year.
PLANNING COMMISSIOt� MEF.T.INGx NOVII�7BER 28, 1979 PAGE 5
Mr, BoarQman replied he agreed an annual report should be submitted, expecially if
tliey ask for funding each year. We may not agree with how the money was spent, but
at least we would know what happened to it.
Mr. Treuenfels said there were 2 points of consideration. One, do the agencies give
an account for the money received each year? The general consensus iaas that they
should. Second, if they come back for more funding, should we use their past records
of spenditures to determine new funding? The Commission said de£inetly that should
be part of the criteria when deciding on the fund requests.
Ms. Schnabel felt staff personnel should go to each agency to familiarize themselves
with that agency.
Mr. Boardman replied that would take a lot of time and he does not have the staff
, to do that.
Ms. Schnabel said she would be very disappointed in Mr. Boardman and his staff if it
was not at least recommended to staff to use sane sort of follow up on the agencies.
Mr. Boardman said it was a good idea and would try to have his department follow
up on the agencies that receive funds.
Ms. Hughes suggested members from Human Resources and Planning Commission could also
do some sort of follow up on the agencies. She questioned if KKKK was supporting them-
selves enough by charging only $10 per family per year ($700 yearly approximately
for membexship fees).
Mr. Oquist said the one thing that bothered him about supporting I�KK was that the
$1500 would only be reaching 70 families, while the $1000 alloted to SACA would be
rearhing many, n;any more people. Tha percentage of people helped per dollar seemed
very low fox KKKK.
Mr. Treuenfels said percentage of use was one of the criterias he suggested to be
used by Human Resources. �
Ms. Schnabel asked if other agencies, such as churches, provided a similar program
to KKKK,
Mr. Treuenfels said there use to be one church in Fridley that had the same service.
Mr. Harris said years ago many of our social services were handled by the churches.
Now, it seems, it was not one of the main concerns af the churches. He felt there
should be a central committee that would coordinate these types of services between
the churches, schools and city so the�e was no overlap of serviceso
Ms. Schnabel said some peoply may not want the church overtones if a social service was
handled by the church alone. Therefore, a central. committee may be needed to coordinate
such services.
Ms. Hughes said she felt the KKKK program, because it came out of community schooling,
has not looked for other ways to fund themselves. Other groups do and I�CK should
be able to do Che same. She liked the idea of hKI:K raising matching funds in order
to receive funds from the city.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. NOVEMBER 28, 1979 PAGE 6
MOTION by Ms, Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to concur with Human Resources
Cormnission u� recommend to City Council that the City fund up to $1500 to IaCKK,
contingent upon KKKK obtaining matching funds from another source.
Ms. Schnabe?. said she was opposed to the motion foY 2 reasons. One� the other
agencies only received $1000 and felt KRHI{ should not get 50% more in funds. �ao,
the lo-.a percentage of families reached by KKKK as compared to other social services
did not seem to warrant as much funding.
MOTION by Ms, Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Hora to amend the orginal motion by Ms.
Hughes to reduce the funds for KIaQC from $1500 to $1000.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN iiA1tRIS DECLARED THE MOTION C ARRZED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Oquist pointed out Human Resources did not have a time limit on how long KKKK
had to raise their $1500. He wanted a start and stop time stipulated on the motion.
Ms. Schnabel said the Planning Commission on page 13 of their last meeting, stated
the cutoff date would be July 1, 1980.
Mr. Boardman said the time period should be for KKKK's fiscal operating "year or else
when Council approves the funding, the time period would start then and end July
1, 1980,
Mr. Aarris asked if the membership fee was to be used towards the $1500 KKI.K was re-
quired to raise. He felt the matching funds should be exclusive of inembership fees.
Mr. Hora questioned his reasoning.
Mr. Oquist stated it would be to KKRK's advantage to raise the additional $1500
because it could give them a possible $3700 to work with and not just $3000,
Ms. Hughes stated they are not treating KKKK's request any different by requiring
matching fands then the requests by SACA or Sr. Citizen's Outreach. Those agencies
had shown they have other souraes of £unding available to them and have used them.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to amend the original motion by
Ms. Hughes to include a start time for KKKK to raise matching funds to be in effect
when Council approved the $1Q00 matching fund and to stop on July 1, 1980. The
matching funds raised by RKKK will be exclusinve of the membership fees.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, AT.L VOTING AYE, CHAIRPfAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
Mr. Harris asked for a vote on the original motion, which now includes a start and
stop time, $1,^00 matching funds and membership dues may not be used towards the
matching funds raised by KKKK.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRDfAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
4. RECEIVE HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY'MINUTES: NOVEMBER 8 1979:
PLAN^ILVC COMMT.SSION MEETI:NG, NOVII�IBER 28, 1979 PAGE 7
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the Housing and Redevelop-
ment Authority minutes of November 8, 1979.
Mr. Boardman said these minutes were for their information only.
Mr. fIarris aslced to have Planning Commission see the Center City perspective plan
for their information only.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHALRMAN fiARRIS DECLARED �HE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
5. RECESVE COMM[TNITY DL'VEIAPMF.NT COMMISSION MINt3TES: NOVP,MBER 13 1979:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Ms, Schnabel to receive the Community Development
minules of Novembex 13, 1979.
Mr. Oquist pointed out the conversation and motion on rental conversion property.
He stated they have made a recommendation that an ordinance be drawn up �to handle
this situation� and gave a list of some things that should be in or handled by
that ordinance.
Mr. Boardman said Mr. Herrick was presently looking at the ordinance that was adopted
by Minneapolis. Council was looking at the idea of controlling the xental property
conversion through zoning on the basis that the city issues a permit to an apartment
complex on the condition that there be one owner per apartment and not a multi-owner
situation, Therefore not allowing the condominiur.i concept of multi-otanerships. This
would allow a co-operative ownership of the apartments.
Mr. Harris said hax� ling. i� through zoning did not seem feasible to hin. Zoning
was set up to control density and the density would not be changing if the units
were rented or individually owned,
Mr. Boaxdman was not suze how that concept would work either and that way one of
the reasons for Mr. Herrick looking at the ordinance. The other way of controlling
would be through special use permits and he felt that was stretching the boundaries
of a special use permit.
Mr. Oquist said it was inevitable thaC we would have conuersions someday and felt safe-
guards for the renters and Uuyers should 6e drawn up now.
Mr. Harris felt an additional stipulation to Community Deuelopment's motion should be
the requirement that any building must be brought up to code before converted.
Ms. SchnaUel said an ordinance should also be fair to the present owner. If the
owner desires to sell, finding a single buyex may be difficult in today's market. If
a buyer was found, they many have to increase rent to cover the high interst rates
and repairs required for a sale. That could eventually mean losing renters because
of high rent costs. Thexefore, the only way to get the owner's money out of the
building would be to converC it. An ordinance should not be written to penalize the
owner.
Mr. Oquist said their recommendations were meant to be fair to the present people in
the building and the buyer.
PLANNING COMMISSION MGETING NOVEMBER 28 1979 PAGE 8
Ms, Schna4e2 said she had heard that some cities may require that at least.�l%, of
the building must be sold in a certain limit before it was allowed to be converted.
She was not sure if it was a city requirement of 51% or an agreement between the
owuer and buyer. She felt this could possibly be part of the ordinance.
Mr, Boardman did not think it would be wise for the city to put a time limit i_n the
ordinance. He felt that area should be covered in the purchase agreement.
Mr. Harris said the intent of the ordinance should be to ensure the health, safety
and general welfare of the occupants of the building. That was the city's main
responsibility.
Ms, Hughes said we should not try to stop the conversion of rental properties, but,
we should make sure there will be rental property avai_lable for tHe displaced persons
from a conversion building.
Mr. Boardman said the city has to help in that area. It was a metropolitan problem
and each city has to do something to help solve the problem.
Mr, Harris stated this was an area that could be coordinated by the Metro Council.
Mr, Boardman replied they do haue a housing opportunity plan and a11 cities must comply
with that plan. He said the City Council does want to control the sale o£ condos, but
was not sure legally if they could do so because it was private property. He was
waiting for Mr. Herrick's opinion on that.
Mr. Oquist asked if Planning Commission wished to do anythiug with Cotmminity Develop-
ment's recommendation besides adding the following stipulations to their inconclusive
list:
1. Building must be brought up to code before converted,
2. Check into the feasibility of building presale of not less then
51% before conversion.
The commission felt Mr. Herrick's opinion should be looked at first before they
take any action,
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN tIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
6. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MTNt7TES; NOVEMBER 13 1979:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mro Treueniels to receive the Appeals Commission
minutes of .November 13, 1979.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARItIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLX,
7. CONTIICITF.D: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. 7,OI�ING:
MOTIOIV by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Oquist to continue the discussion on
Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning until revisions are made by staff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARitIS DECLAI2ED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
PiANNINC COMMZS;ION MEETINGj,NOVEMBFR 28, 1979 PAGE 9
$. OTtIER BUSINPSS:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the letter from Burlington
Northern regarding the Blain/Coon Rapids development.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN 11ARRIS DECLARED TFIE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
Mr, liarris asked to have this letter passed on to City Council, (See attachment
��1).
Mr. Boardman introduced Mary Cayan as the new Human Services Assistant to the
Planning Commission. Mr. Boardman said some of Ms. Cayan's duties would include
working with the social service agencies in the city.
Mr. Harris said he went to the Council meeCing to find out about the so called
Environmental Impact Fee (see November 7, 1979 minutes). LBien he approached the
Council they knew nothing about the fee and when he approached PSr. Qureshi there was .
suddenly no such fee.
Mr. Oquist asked what happened to the money that had been collected for this non-
existinp, fee.
Mr. Harris said if any fees were collected they should be put into the Park's Capital
Imgrovement Fund and notin a slush fund to buy another dump truck or fire engine.
Mr. Boardman said he though what Mr. Qureshi iaas trying to get at was setting up a
park fee that could keep up with the costs involved to provide park facilities. Our
present system has a set fee and that does not reflect on cne amount of iand'�involved.
Our State law does allow a fee based on l00 of law land value. -
Mr. Harris said those fees should be then dedicated as park capital improvements.
Ms. Hughes said as far as the Park Coaunission knew, the funds for capital improvements
are general fund allocations. It was a standard set fee and has no reflection of how
much money was collected by the city for park fees. They could could have collected
from $500 to $5000 and the commission would still receive the same amount of money.
There has been no accounting of the fees collected.
Mr. Oquist said if there was any money collected for the Environg�ental Development
Fee, and since it was collected under false pretense, it should be returned to the
property owner or to the person that paid the fee.
MOTION 6y Mr. Oquist, secouded by Mr. Treuenfels to authorize Council to return any
unauthorized Environmental. Development Fees to the party that paid the fee because
such fees saere collected undex false pretense, and not to collect any further fees
under the same cuizditions.
PIANNING CGMMISSION MGETING NQV IIRBER 28 1979 PAGE 10
UPON A VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CiiAIAMAN IiARItIS D�CLARED THE MOTION CARItISII
UNANEMOUSLY.
Ms. Hughes fele the Planning Coimnission should commend Chairman Harris for going to
Council and getting answer�s on this fee. The other members of the commission concurred
with the commendation.
ADJOURNM1iNT
MOTION 6y Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to adjourn the Planning Commission
meeting of Nrn-ember 28, 1979.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN FIAIiRIS DECLARED THE MEETING ADJOURNED
AT 10:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
���
Paula Long, eco•di SecreY.ary
CITY OF FRIDLEY
• PLANNING COMMISSION MEETTNG,_ DECEMBER 5, _19_7_9_
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Harris called the Planning Commission meeting of December 5, 1979, to order
at 7:33 P,M.
ROLL CALL
Members Present: Mr. Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Aarrig Mr. Treuenfels
Membera Absent: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld
Others Present: Jerry Boardman, City Planner; Bill Deblon, Associate City Planner
APPROVE PLANNING COMMI55ION MINUTES: November 15, 1979_:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Oquist to approve the Planning Commission minutes
of Novembgr 15, 1979, as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� AI.L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN FIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
1. RECBIVE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MIN[1TE5: NOVE[�ER 14. 1979:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the Parks and Recreation
Commission minutes of November 14, 1979.
Mr. Treuenfels questioned the need of having a lighted Christmas•tree in Eisenhower
Square due to the energy crisis. This tree was to be part of the Sister City Program.
Ms. Hughes said she was against the idea. She stated this was an accomplished idea
before it had gotten to her con¢nission. She felt they wouldn't necessarily save a lot
of electricity by not having lights, but felt the city should be setting an example on
energy conservation. She also was against it because of some religous significar�e,
M�r, Boaxdman explained this was not a staff oriented idea, hut was presented by Che
civic organization that handles the Sister City Program.
Mr. Treuenfels felt the Sister City organization could possibly offer a class in
French culture or language instead o£ a Christmas tree.
Mr, Boardman added the tree was more a symbolism between the 2 cities: The lights on
our tree and the lights on the tree in France are suppose to be turned on at the same
time. Council was in favor of this proposal.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN IIARRIS DECLARED THB MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
2. RECEIVE ENVIRONhfENTAL QUALITY COMPSISSION MINUTES: NOVEt�BER 20, 1979:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the Environmental Quality
Commission minutes of November 20, 1979.
Mr. Harris questioned the status on the Trunk Highway 10/North Crosstown pxoject.
Mr. Deblon said there was an open house recently were there were drawings and displays
of the corridors proposed. The consultant had eliminated all but 2 of the possible
placements, however, the Department of Transportation had not approved that action.
p,�,�11INC COMMISSION MEETING. DECEMBER 5. 1479 PAGE 2
The consvltant was assumming Highway 10 would be relocated.
,
Mr. Boardman stated the Management Task Force was just finishing up their documenta
(environmental impact, etc.) and they should be out within the next month. These
documenta will have to be reviewed before any action was taken.
Mr. Harris questioned if storm water would be coming into our water system from
this proposal.
Mr. Deblon replied Hwy. 10 will cross Spring Brook Creek.
Mr. Boazdman added that drainage will be in a watershed district. We should get some
answers to those questions when the environmental assessment was in.
Ms. Hughes said air quality reviews on current Hwy. 10 were so bad, there was no
choice except relocation.
Mr. Deblon pointed out the discussion on the Anoka Airport. He said a public hearing
was held. Right now they would like to upgrade the airport to intermediate status,
mainly for safety reasons. The airport would have a 24 hour-manned tower and only
freight traffic and small co�ercial jets wvuld land there. Presently it was being
used f ar those purposes.
Mr, Oquist said flight pattems may come over Fridley and cause noise pollution for us.
This was the same problem they have with the area around Metropolitan Airport and
they were creating the same problem again.
Mr. Harris pointed out there was not too much we coLld do to stop the upgrading. The
planes have to land somewhere.
Ms. Hughes asked to have Mr. Dehlon keep a close eye on this issue..
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY. ,
3. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZOIVING:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to continue the discussion on proposed
changed to Chapter 205. Zoning.
UYON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARItIS DECTARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
4. OTHER BUSINESS:
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Treuenfels to set up a meeting with Father Paul of St. William's
Church and the ministerial co�nittee of Fridley in January. The purpose would be to
eoordinate plans or organizations that handle social functions and concerns, such
as provided by KKKR.
Mr. Boardman asked to be notified of the meeting so a representative from staff could
also attend the meeting. �
Mr. Boardman informed Planning Commission that Council had approved a11 their requests
for funds and had increased KKiZK's amount from $1500 to $2500 with none of the stipu-
1aCions Planning Commission had placed on them.
PI.ANNING COMMISSION MEETING DECEN�ER S 1979 PAGE 3
Ms. Hughes said she was at the Council meeting and was surprised at their action.
However, KKKK was there and presented a good slide presentation of their organization
and a very extenaive budget of nearlq $6700. The Council did instruct the City
Manager's office to draw up a resolution authorizing payments out of the 1980 budget.
Onething that helped persuade the Council was the presentation given by KKKK.
Mr, Oquist wanCed to know how Council could justify a$2500 fund for an organization
that reaches only 70 families.
Ms. Hughes said she had wanted to get the Planning Co�ission and Council together
so Planning Commission could ;hear what Council wanted or desired as far as funding
goes for these agencies that request them. However, Council, she felt, had reacted only
to the situation that night at the meeting and not what was reconanended to them.
Mr. Boardman felt Planning Co�nission and Human Resources should get all the criteria
and policies for fund requests together Sefore they bring it to the Council.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Ms. Hughes,'seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to adjourn the Planning Commission
meeCing of December 5, 1979.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MEETING ADJOURNBD AT
8:11 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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PauLa Long, Recoxdiing Secretaiy
F1UI•fAN RESOUP.CES COD9�iISSION
MGETING
DECEt�SBF,R 6, 1979
CALL TO OR�ER:
Chairperson Peter Treuenfels called the DecemUer 6, 1979, Human Resources
Commission meeting to order at 7:33 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present; Peter Treuenfels, Mary van Dan, Marlyis Carpenter,
Wayne Saunders
Members Absent; None
Others Preseut:' 3errold Boardman, City Planner
Mary Cayan, City of Fridley Human Services Assistant
Tohn flaines, Executive Director, Unity Hospital
APPROV.�L OP ATOVEMBER 1, 1979, HUMAN RESOURCES COPIMISSION MINU7'ES:
M017.ON by I�1s. van Dan, seconded by Ms. Carpenter, to approve the November 1, 1979,
Human Resources Commission minute� as written. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting
aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the motion carried unanimously.
1. PRESENTATZGN &Y JOHN
Mr. Treuenfels stated that Mr. Haines was at the Commission meeting to speak
on healCh care as it pertains to human resources and some of the problems
facing Che hospitals in providing health care Co the community.
Mr. Haines stated he �auuld fir.st tell the Cosanissioners a little abouC Unity
Hospital. He stated the l�ospital opened on M2y 23, 1966� and he had come to
Fridley on Marcli 1, 1966, to open the hospital. The hospital started out as
a 139-bed hospital and laas now gr.own to 275 be3s. The first year's budget was
less than $3 million and the budget for the present year exceeds $25 million.
Last year they exceedecl $22 million. So, it is a big operation,and these
operatiens teud to have a lot of concern from a 1ot of different points of
view.
Pir. 2taines stated that last year 7.2,256 patients were admitted. In addition,
they toolc in 33,675 patients through the emergency room. There were about
1,800 6abies born, so approximately 43,000 patients were taken care of at
Ut�ity 1<asC year. In addition, there taere c�any more thousancls who came in
just £or out-patient work,
HIIMAN RESOUkCF.S COIrII�SISSION MEETING DECEMI3ER G, 1979 - PAGE 2
Mr. Haines stated that in serving those numbers of. people, they had to deal
with more than 600 different insurance plans, which sometimes created problems.
In order to cio that last year, they had att average of 1,165 full and part-
time employees, so Uaity pro•aides jobs for a 1ot of people in the communities.
The'ir total salaries and benefits for those employees Iast year was about
$12 million. ProLessional fees were $941,000; medical supplies were over
$2 miltion; other supplies (food, housekeeping) were $1,4II4,000; equipment
rental was $119,000; electricity was $209,000; heating fuel.was $265,000;
other utilities (mostly telephone) were $116,000; and insurance premiums were
$261,000.
Mx. Haines stated they averaged last year. about 3.4 fu1Z time equivalent
employees per patient. Labor hours per adjusted patient day were 19.3. Average
wage rate per hour of all emploqees was $6.22. On their books at Che end of,
September 1979, they had an accounts receivable of $3,733,000 representing
59.6 days of business. .
Mr. Haines stated that Unity is a not-for-profit co�unity-owned institution.
It is owned by the North Suburban Hospital District, which is a governmental
unit made up of the cities of Fridley, Spring Lake Park, Moundsview, Blaine,
and Hilltop. It has a six-member board made up of an elecYed representative
from each co�nunity plus one additional board member elected at large. They
do not operate the hospital; they fund the capital resources of the hospital.
The,y own and operate the bui.lding and tand. Last Tuly Z, they purchased the
Fridley Convalescent Flome which is a 129-bed facility. That is a large operation,
but a different operation. It has a budget of about $1.6 million, In organizing
programs for the aged, such as the nursing home, and hoping to get into other
programs for the aged, Mr. Haines stated they try to keep that as much apart
from the hospital as possible. They are hoping to get into housing for the
aged; and if theq do, they will expect a whole separate organization to operate
it. '
Mr. Aaines stated that the hospital is leased to Health Central, which is a
not-for-profit Plinnesota carporation which operates a large number of hospitals.
Their corporat-e offices are located near Brookdale, They now own ten divisions,
nine of which are ho�pitals and nursiag tzomes, and manage four others. They
have about 140-150 hospitals aEfiliated with them, where Health Ce�ter does
the purchasing, provides some of the centralized computer services, architec-
tural services, planning services, etc.
Mr. Haines stated that each hospital has its own governing board and Unity's
board has ten members. They are appointed by the corporate board of local
people, for the mosr part, and delegated to that board is the totai operation
of the hospital. The budgets are subject to corporate approval. The local
board hires the administrator, appoints the medical staff, establishes the
budgel' initially,has the responsibility of determining needs in service area
and trying to meet those needs. The corporate board is more responsible for
finding the funding--the legal entiCy.
HUMAN ]?ESOURCES COMMISSION MCETING DSCEMBER 6, 7.979 - PAGE 3
Mr. Haines stated thae there are a lot of concerns in their business that
people read aUouC in the paper--great complex kinds of issues like how do
they talce care of more and more needs and more and more people and make them
readily accessible and still try to even pretend they can contain cosl-s?
FIe stated that everyone at every level of government from the Metro Health
Boar.d to the State to the Federal Government are all addressing those issues,
along with many voluntary groups. He stated that, in our society, people are
guilty of blaming institutions. This is nonsense, because no institution
can be a caring institution--only people can he. People don't pin down
accountability; and it is a very hard thing to do in most of the businesses
today, because so many people are involved with accountability.
Mr. Haines stated that the government is promising the people something
it cannot deliver by itself and that is health care. The government cannot .
deliver health care, and they are trying to use the private medical and hospital
system. Now they are searching for other ways of providing health care. Some
of these ways may have some degree of success, but they wi11 create new problems.
The most common is iiMO, which has some merit, but it also is going to have a
lot of problems for the pubiic and the hospitals. Because hospitals have become
too expensive for many people, they turn to alternatives such as HMO.
Mr. Haines stated that hospitals can cut health care costs if the people really
want to live with the alternatives. To cut costs is simple, but to get the
same product that the people have come to demand and cut costs and sti11 meet
a11 the laws is not possible.
Mr. Haines sl-ated that one of the new programs at tinity is the P4ercy-Unity
Aome Health Care & Hospice Program. They are trying to coordinate some of
their programs. He stated this has been working marvelously we11 for cancer
patients. Another program just started that day was having auxilliants
going into senior citizen buildings, such as Village Green,to give blood
pressure checks. These volunteers are trained to encourage the senior citizens
to take care of themselves so they won`t need health care. There is a nurse
overseeing the volunteers who is avai_lable to answer questions. Ae stated
they cannot provide medical care because a hospital is not licensed Co provide
medical care. They are licensed to provide hospital services. He stated the
public frequently is confused aUout that.
Mr. Haines stated they just finished a study two months ago that sho�aed
they now need in ei:cess of $8.5 million worth of expansion just to meet the
current needs and with expanded needs over tlie next five years. They are
appointing a planning committee of board members, physicians, North Suburban
Hospital District Board members, and a couple of public members to study this.
Mr. Haines stated tliat three years ago they started an outpatient surgery
program. Last year they had alniost 2,000 outpaL'ients to try to hold down costs.
Last year they had a Bad Progr�n--they tried to get everybody to be a Unity
Bad Guy to see what they could do to save $1 per day. It looked like they
saved $100-125,000 just on small things.
HUMAN RESOURCES CUhiMISSION r1EETII�G D�CEMBER 6, 1979 - PAGE 4
l�ir. Haines stated they are now looking at the possibility of acquiring the
Assembly of God Church next to the hospital to use for programs such as
daycare centers for the elderly, d�ycare centers for children, cardiac
rehabiliCation programs, wellness programs, inex.pensive offica space, etc.
If they do acquire the church for these purposes, he will be recommending,
as he did with the nursing home, that it not be tied directly to the hospital
management.
Mr. Haines stated that some of the programs they get into because of laws
are ridiculous. One of these programs is the Meals on Wheels, where church
volunteers deliver meals to shut-ins. He stated the government has a good
reason for some of these programs, but sometimes one program definitely works
against another program.
Mr. Haines stated that he felt Unity was a valuable asset to the City of
Fridley. They have'their share of complaints and have a fu11-time patient
advocate supported by 5-6 volunteers who go around finding problems. Many
complaints are legitimate, and many times, even though they are legitimate,
there is nothing he can do about them. And, some complaints are not legitimate.
Percentage-wise for the size of the hospital, they really get few complaints.
Mr. Haines stated that this last year they lost $302,000 just on the ambulance
service. He stated *_he ambulance service �oas a service people had a hard time
understandir.g, but they are having to meet some very critical new state laws.
They now have a State Emergency Medical Service Committee, a Iiennepin County
Emergency Medical Service Cammittee, a Ramsey County Emergency Medical Service
Committee, and a Metro Emergency Medical Service Committee--a11 with regulations
that the hospital must meet. They have to train paramedics differently for
Hennepin County than they do for Ramsey County. They have 181 full and part-
time personnel in the ambulance service.
Mr. Haines stated that, in his judgement, people are not getting all the
facts about health care. He felt that was one of the Uiggest roles of govern-
ment. He believed government's primary role is to try to get the facts to
the people so they know what they are choosing. Can hospitals make it cheaper?
Yes, they can make it cheaper, but is that what the people.want? The people
have to be told what the alternatives are so they can make the choices.
The government should be the unbiased ^roup without a vested interest. He
stated he would not deny that hospitals were the cause of some of these problems,
but he had no easy answers to these proUlems.
Mr. Haines stated that they idenlify
regulations over them at Unity, and
300, not a11 govermnental agencies.
over 200 agencies who directly make
teaching hospitals can identify over
Mr.. Haines stated he felt they were nocu at the point where soa� governmental
agency has to be established where every regulation affecting the health
care industry has to go through that agency to stop a lot of this duplication,
Some regulations are very good and very necessary for the public good, but a
lot of l-hem do not do any good for the patient.
HfIMAtd RESOiRtCliS COMt�CISSION MEETING, D�CEMB�R 6, 1979 - PAGE 5
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Ms. Carpenter stated she was very pleased with l-he efforts Unity has made
in the area of preventative meclicine.
Mr. Haines stated thst Health Central has been appointed to be the agent
for the Sun Va11ey Insi:itute fox the upper midwest. Their wellness program
has been puC on tapes and Unity will be having it for some of its employees
in January. It is sti11 in a testing period, so they do not know how it
will work.
Mr. Haines stated there were many areas saithin the scope of the hospital,
and he hadn't even begun to Couch on r.iany of them that people don't.even
think of. For example, a hospital like Unity uses about 3,300 gallons of
fuel oil daily.
The Co�nission members thanked Mr. Haines very much for his presentation.
2. INTRODUCTION OR MS. MARY CAYAN CITY OF FRIDLEP IiTJMAN SERVICES ASSISTANT:
Mr. Boardman introduced Ms. Cayan to the Commission and stated that 14s. Cayan
has accepCed the position as Human Services Assistant, Slie is presently
working on Section 8 existing housing program and wi11 be expanding thaC to
handle a lot of areas. She will also be the member serving on the Energy
Commission and the Human Resources Commission. She cai11 be involved with
any other kinds of housing programs the City gets inoolved in and any kind
of community block grant programs.
Ms. Cayan stated she grew up in Wisconsin. She staee3 she has an Undergraduate
Degree in Social Tv'ork from the University oi' idisconsin -?dhitewater, and a
Masters Degree in Social Planning from the School of Social Work in Madison,
Wisconsin. This position is her first position as a graduate of the Masters
program. She did work in a co�unity school between undergraduate and graduate
work and coordinated a coirnnunity school program. She has experience working
in a welfara department, a r�naway center, sl�e worked in Washington ll.C.
at the National Association for Social Workers, and has done some work with
the aging.
Mr. Boardman stated Chey were very happy to have Nary on board. She had a
lot of background and a lot of things that might be of use to them.
3. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. Applications for Funding:
ps. Boardman state!? fihat P1s. Cayan will be in the process of setting up
some form of process for agencie;; requvst_inU funding. The City Council
felt it was a good idea fur the Ylamaing Co�runission to set up a July �'
deadline for all applications for £undi_n3 so it can go into the budget
for the next year. He stated Ms. Cayan wi11 be world no on a priority-
' type system Lhat she will be bringing to the fluman Resources Commission
so they can review all applications for funding, They wou2d Itope L-hat
HUMltN IiES0U12CES COMMlSSION MEL�TING DECLMI3ER 6, 1979 - PAGE 6
6y mid L'o end of Juiy, the Conunission can make their recommendations
to City Council on a priority listing for funding with some type of
percenta�e for toCal amount funded, so the City Council caci
allocate "x" amount of dollars through the next year's budget.
B. Handicapped:
Ms. van Dan stated that right now the Commission did not have any on-
going programs,yet the handicapped was still•an area they seemed to
have the greatest difficulty getting into. She really would like to
know cahat the City of Fridley was doing to meet atl the handicapped
regutations in accessibility to public buildings.
Ms. Carpenter staCed that Camp Courage had volunteered to do an
accessibility sfudy of tfie City of Prid2ey for the Commission back in
June 1979.
Mr. Boardman staCed the City has many problems with accessibility. He
stated that with the next CBDG monies, they taould be looking at getting
some HUD monies to renovate public buildings and public spaces for
accessibility for the handicapped. He stated their staff wa> too limited
to do needs assessments in the couunuaity.
Ms. Carpenter stated Camp Courage was one of those agenci,es that was
willing to do a needs assessment for the City of Frzdley.
Ms. van Dan stated she would contact Camp Courage and would have someone
from there come to the January Commission meeting to talk about the
survey and how to go about setting it up.
C. Ceutral Center for Family Resources Program Advisory Board Meeting:
Ms. Carpenter stated she attended this advisory board meeting on
NovemUer 15. At that meeting, they talked about the counseling
services they have provi.ded. As of November 15, they had 35 referrals
and total number of counseling services were 135 as shoc+m on the
attached sheet,
Ms. Carpenter stated the Center Iiad finished their par.enting classes,
At the meeting, they handed out evaluations of the parenting classes
and conanents the people made and the evaluation tool they used. Theze
was a lot of positive feedback on the parenting classes, and they intended
eo have Chem again in the n�ar future. This ti.me they would be adverCising
in the Fridley newsleLter.
Ms. Carpenter stated that groups were in the development stage and ehey
hadn't started any counseling groups yet, They talked a little about
fuCure programniing.
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Ms. Carpenter stated they talked about a state grant. They are getting
into the area of drug assessment and YCCIP, which is an employing-youth
during-summer program. Evidently the City of Blaine submitted proposals
on this, and they wili be getting youth working through this program.
They are also doing the seate funding of a drop-out survey that is looking
at alternative education for youth drop-outs.
Ms. Carpen[er stated the next board meeting would be in February 1980.
D. Fridley Fine hrts Committee:
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Fridley Fine Arts Committee was apparently
defunct, and he caondered if the Commission wanted to do anything further
in the direction of fine arts. Apparently, there is a need for fine arts
of one kind or another in the community, but there is the problem of
bringing people together who are interested in doing similar things and
making them aware of each other. Maybe the Commission would be interested
in doing this.
Ms. Carpenter suggeseed that the Co�nission publicize in the Fridley
newsletter for people interested in fine arts.
Mr. Treuenfels stated he would see that something was put in the next
Fridley newsletter.
ADJOURNMENT :
NOTION by Ms. Carpenter, seconded by Mr. Saunders, to adjoum the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the
December 6, 1979, Iiuman Resources Commission meeting adjourned at 9:47 p.m.
Respectfully subm'tted,
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Lynn� Saba
Recording Secretary
$EPERRALS AND G�OGRAPIIIC LOCATION OP CLIENT
Client rnferred 6y:
A rriend
$laine DisC. Newsletter
Woodcrest
Spring Lk,. Pk.
NewsletLer
Westwood Jr. High
Anoka Co. Soc. Ser..
Roosevelt School
Anoka Co. Walfare
Se1f Referrals
Mercy Cli.nic
Abiding Savior
Blaine Police
St. Philip's
Messiah Luth.
A Father
Park Terrace
Fri�dley Sr. High
3
1
1
1
1
11
1
2
3
1
3
1
1
1
1
2
1
Client City
Blaine
Mounds View
Fridley
Spring Lake Park
Anoka
Columbia N.ts.
Princeton
Ham Lake.
Coon Ra�ids
Watertown
New Brighton
TOTAL NUMBER OF REFERRALS AS OF NOVEKBER 15, 1979 = 35
13
2
7
2
3
2
1
1
3
1
1
TOTAL NUMBER OF SESSIONS IN COUNSELING AS OF NOVEPIBER 15, 1979 = 135
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CO�ITY;DEVELOPMENT C�I�ffSSION
MEETING
D&CEMBER 11, 1979
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairpers:on LeRoy.Oquist called the December 11, 1979, Community Development
Coumnission meeting to order at 7:34 p.m.
ROLL •GALL:
Members Present: LeRoy Oquist, Connie Modig, A1 Gabel, KenneCh Vos,
Sharon Gustafson '
Members Absent: None '
Others Yresent: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
Ap�OVAL OF NOVEMBER 13 1979, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GOt�AiISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Vos, to approve the November 13, 1979,
Community Development Comnission minutes as written. Upon a voice voUe, all
voting aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously.
1. PROGRESS ON CONDO CONVERSION DRAFT ORDINANCE:
Mr. Deblon stated he had nothing to report on this item at this time escept
to inform the Commission members that Mr. Virgil Herrick was in the process
of reviewing.it.
2. STATUS OF ALLEYS IN FRIDLEYs
Mr. Deblon stated that the City has sent out lettess to property owners
informing them of some of the problems with these alleys and whether they
would be in favor or not in favor of vacation. He stated they had received
many responses, and the responses continued to come in. He stated that he
would be making a map which showed the alleys and whether the property owners
were oppoaed or not opposed.
Mr. Deblon stated that Staff was doing what the Commission recommended at
their October meeting, which was for Staff ta look at each alley individually.
8e sxated that after all the responaea were in, for those alleys where property
oaners were unanimous for vacation, a blanket'public hearing could be held to
vacate those alleys. For those alleya where there was one or two property owners
oppased, maybe some kind of neighb'oxhood meeting could be set up for discuasions.
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3. SNFORMATION ON 1980 CENSUS:
Mr. Deblan stated that Census Day will be April 1, 1980; He_stated the
census provided a super opportunity for municipalities to 4btain data and ✓
ittformation. The City wiII,have an article ia the Fridley newsletter and
wiYJ� be attaching a flier to the newsietter to encourage people to fi21
out the cenaus forms when they receive Ehe forms.
Mr. Deblon stated that if he thought of any way the Co�ission could play �
a role in she 1980 census,_he would get back to them.
� 4. PROGRESS ON BIKEWAY/WALKWAY:
Mr. Deblon stated that he got"togeGher with Mr. Jerrold Boardman, who
' updated him on the pfan, but he did not really have anything to report.
Mr. Oquist stated that the o�.gixtal Bikeway/Waikway maps, shouid be updated
because of the bike lanes being taken off Mississippi and Osborne.Road.
ADJOURNt�fENT :
MOTION by Mr. Gabel, aeconded by Ms. Gustafson, to adjoum the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all votiug aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the
December 11, 1979, Community Development Commission meeting adjourned at
8:40 p.m.
Bespectfully submitted,
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Recording Secretary
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PLANNING COMMLSSION MEETING DECEMBER 19 1979
CAI.L TO ORDSR:
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Chairman Harris called the December 19, 1979, Planning Cosm�ission meeting
to order at 7;37 p.m.
ROLL CALL•
Members PresenC: Ms. Hughes, Mr. Harris, Mr. Treuenfels, Mr. Langenfeld,
Ms. Schnabel
Members Absent;
Others Present:
Mr. Oquist
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 28 1979, PLANNiNG COTIl�fISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Aughes, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to approve the November 28, 1979,
Planning Commission minutes.
Ms. Hughes indicated the following corrections to the minuCes:
Page 2, paragraph 6: "plum wall° should be changed to "plumb wall"
Page 3, paragraph 1: "heavy landscaping" should be changed to "extensive
landscaping°
UPON A VOZCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MINUTES APPROVED
AS AMENDED.
APPROVAL.OF DECEMBER 5 1979, PLANNING COMMISSION MZNUTES;
MOTION�by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to approve the
December 5, 1979, Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
1. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAYfER 205. ZONLNG:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the revised
Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning.
Mr. Boardman stated that he had not yet completed all the changes in the
revised Zoning Code, but he was getting close. Ae stated that under the
"General Provisions" on page 8, he left in "Declaration of Policy", "Non-
comforming Uses of Structure","I.ot Provisions" on page 10, "Accessory Buildings
and Structures Provisions", ''Required Yard and Open Space". He left in the
"Environmental Quality" section. He took out the "Performance Standards" and
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those will be put into each of the districts. He took each of the districts,
went through all the "Performance Standards", took all the modifications and
changes suggested by the Planning Commission for the "Performance Standards",
and had those drawn up for each of the sections. He stated the Planning
Co�ission had wanted him to rework the parking requirements, and he had not
yet gotten the parking requirements put into those sections.
Mr. Harris asked:the Commission how they wanted to handle this document.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would like to have some time to study the revised
document and compare it with past notes.
Mr. Boardman stated that when the Coa�issioners go through the revised document,
they should check to make sure all the corrections made by the Planning
Co�ission were put into the "Performance Standards".
Mr. Boardman stated that, as requested, he had located the "Townhouse" section
behind the "R1" section. After the "Townhouse" section, he had puC the "P Aistrict".
He was looking at the end of "Industrial" as being the location for the "PUD"
(Planned Unit DeveLopment). The Planning Co�ission had talked about the
differences between "Special Districts" and "PUD Districts", so there would
probably be a separate "PUD" from "Special Districts".
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE :40TION CARRIED
UNANiMOUSLY. •
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue discussion
on Proposed Ghanges to Chaptex 205. Zoning until the next meeting.
UPON A VOICE VdT�, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAI3 HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRTED
UNANIMpUSLY,
2. RECEIVE DECEMBER 6 1979, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive the Decemher 6, 1979,
Human Resources Commission minutes. '
Mr. Langenfeld stated he enjoyed reading Mr. Haines' (Executive Director of
Unity Hospital) comments about health care.
Ms. Hughes asked Mr. Treuenfels why the Human Resources Coum�ission asked
Mr. Haines to come to a co�ission meeting.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the problem of health care is of great interest as
far as human resources, particularly for the aged and people living on limited
incames. Many questions have been asked and there has been quite a 1ot of
debate in the papers on health care, and there never seems to be a good
explanation for rising costs, etc. Mr. Treuenfels stated that Mr. Haines
made an interesting presentation and opened his eyes to a number of facts
that he had not been aware of.
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Ms. Schnabel stated that the most interesting remark made by Mr. Haines was
that the hospital is not licensed to provide medical care, only the doctors.
It is a common assumption by people that a hospital is there to provide
medical care. It is also probably one of the reasons why people criticize
hoapitals more than is necessary. �
i3P6N A VOICE VO`TE, �I;L VOTIN� AYE, CHAIRMAIV i3ARRIS DECLARED TI� MOTION CARRIED
UNANII�USLY.
3. RECEIVE DECEMBER 11, 1979 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CO�SSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel,to receive the Decem6er 11, 1979,
Co�uaity Development Commission minutes.
Ms. Hughes asked about the responses to the letters on aLley vacations that the
City had sent out to the citizens.
Mr. Deblon stated that, for the most part, people did not mind Che alley
vacation, but did ask about the rise in taxes. There has been some communi-
cation problems with some peopie, and there is going to have to be further
explanation and mediation in some cases, especially in the areas where 90%
want an alley vacated and L0�'/, don't. '
Mr. Harris stated he thought for those alleys where there are no problems,
they should have a blanket vacation, because it could save a loC`of problems
in the future.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECI,ARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANiMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE IIECEMBER 11 1979 APPEALS COPIIdISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the December 11, 1979,
Appeals Commission minutes. '
Ms. Schnabel stated with the request on page 2 of the minutes, the petitioner
had an existing garage that he wanted to convert to living area and then dig .
a new garage below the existing garage. The petitioner made the remark at
the meeting that he was told by Aarrel Clark that he could avoid applying for
a variance if he made part of the new living area stozage--in other words,
the 2-4 feet closest Co the lot line. She stated the Appeals Co�ission was
a Little concerned. She could not recall this ever coming up before, and she
was concerned because she thought it was a way to circumvent the Zoning
ordinance.
Mr. Boardman stated that he did not think this was the case, and he did not
think there was any situation where it was recommended by staff that this be
done, As far as he lmew;about what happened was that the petitioner,
Mr. Earl Hansen, came in and stated he needed to get construction underway
before winter. Mr. Clark told him the only way he could get construction
started was if that was not living space, because you can legally put non-
inhabitable space up to five feet of a property line. Then, Mr. Clark had
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told him that if he wanted to use that space for living space, he would have
to get a variance. However, Mr. Clark had warned him that by starting con-
struction, he was taking a risk that if the Appeals Commission turnefl down
the variance, he would never have that space as living space.
Mr. Boardman stated that to begin with, Mr. Clark had talked to the contractor,
and not necessarily the owaer, Mr. Hansen, when the building permit was issued.
Mr. Aansen had told Mr. Boardman that the contractor had told Mr, Hansen it
was o.k. to go ahead with construction, but the contractor did not te11
Mr. Hansen that he would not be able to use that space for living space without
a variance. So, there were things going on between the contractor and the
owner of the property that Mr. Clark was not aware of. When Mr. CLark talked
to the contractor, he was talking to a representative for the owner.
Mr. Boardman stated this was his understanding of what had happened.
Ms. Schnabel stated she felt the petitioner was somewhat confused by the
various information received at City Hall and had said he never wanted any-
thing but living space. She s[ated Che Appeals Commission had no real problem
with granting the variance, but were concerned because it seemed to be circum-
venting the Zoning ordinance.
Ms. Schnabel stated that on page 8 of the minutes, another question came up
and the Appeals Commission decided to have someone from the Fire Department
speak to the}n again about fire wall situations, The Co�nission had a request
to install a five-stall garage ten feet from an apartment building, and they
were concerned if there was a fire in the garage if there was the possib3lity
of it spreading to the apartment building and whether or not a fire wall should
be installed in the one wall of the garage next to the apartment building.
Mr. Boardman stated that he was sure Darrel Clark would be able to answer
those kinds of questions. Mr. C1ark would not have Let that request get this
far aad would not allow that garage to be built if there was a fire regulation.
No building pertnits are issued for something that is against fire codes or
building codes� and the Appeals Commission should not have to worry about
those things.
Ms. Schnabel stated the Appeals Commission had been concerned because
Mr. Clark was not at that meeting, and they did not have any of that kind of
information.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI,L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNAIQIMOUSLX.
5. OTHER BUSINESS:
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Mr. Treuenfels stated that at the December 5, 1979, Planning Commission meeting,
Mr. Harris had asked him to set up a meeting with Father Pau1 of St. Williams
Church and the Ministerial Co�ittee of Fridley in January for.the purpose of
coordinating plans or organizations that handle social functibns and concerns,
such as KKKK.
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Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Ministerial Committee's next meeting was on
Thursday, Januaty 3, 1980, at the Fridley Covenant Church, and they were
invited to attend the meeting at $:00 a,m.
Mr. Aarris stated he and Mr. Treuenfels would attend this meeting.
Mr. Harris stated thar in regard to park fees, he felt it was within the realm
and responsibility of the Planning Commission to get the impetus going for
setting a policy on park fees and distribution of park fees. He felt uncomfortable
that the Planning Co�anission had Co be the "watchdog!' for the community, 6ut
someone had to do it.
Ms. Hughes stated if this is a general revenue source for the City, then it
should noC be called a park fee, and that is what it has been in the past.
If it is a park fee, Chen it should be dedicated for park use.
take action to estab
ta uronertv in the C
and
a policy on park fees--that it
ccording to some fixed formula
it be easily administered and
ion with the Planning Commissi
poses.
so as to
easily under-
m on the
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIPiG AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTI013 CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
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of the Parks & Recreation
to discuss the matter of a nark fee
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DEGT.ARED THE MOTION CARRESD
iTNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Harris stated he would like to wish each and everyone a happy holiday
and a properous new year:
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the December 19, 1979,
Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 9:06 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Ly e Saba
Recording Secretary