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PL 06/20/1979 - 30512CITY OF FRIDLEY PLAI�TNING COrIl�iISSION MEETING - JUNE 20, 1979 CALL TO ORDER• Chairperson Harris called the June 20, 1979, Planning Co�ission meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. ROLL CALL• Members Present: Barbara Hughes, LeRoy Oquist, Dick Harris, Virginia Schnabel, Peter Treuenfels, Jim Langenfeld Members Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner � Dean Sabby, Sprin� Lalce Park Huuian Rights Commission Lee Carlson, Spring Lake Park Human Rights Commission APPROVAL OF JUNE 6, 1979, PLANDTING COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTIOI� by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to approve the June 6, 1979, Planning Coumnission minutes as written. Ms. Hughes stated that on page 17, third paragraph fram bottom of page, "reducing the amount of it" should be changed to "reducing the amount of waste". IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON HARRIS DECLARED THE MINU'!.'ES APPROVED AS CORREGTED. '� 1. RECEIVE JU1VE 7, 1979, HUNIAN RESOURCES COI�A'IISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive the June 7, 1979, Human Resources Commission minutes. Mr. Treuenfels stated that on page 8, last paragraph, "look into the availa- bility of voting machines for the handicapped" should be changed to "look into the voting process for the handicapped". Mr. Langenfeld stated that on page 2, middle of third paragraph, the word, "Target" should be "Fridley". Ms. Hughes staCed that on page 7, under Park Systems Plan, D 110-C, the Parks � Recreation Commission was looking at that same section and shared some of the Human Resources Commission's concerns over decentratizing or centralizing the parks. She stated they would be taking tha� into consideration � when they talk about ehe Comprehensive Development Plan. ' �� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 2 �� Ms. Hughes stated that the Parks & Recreation Co�ission was also going to ' � look at integrating the handicapped activities into the park program. 6Jhether these should be special programs and very specific or integrated into the normal activities was something that needed to be worked on. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOU�uLY. 2. PROPOSAL FOR A"CENTRAL CENTER FOR FAMILY RESOURCES" - Dean Sabby and Lee Carlson, Spring Lake Park Human Rights Commission: N[r. Sabby stated that he and Ms. Carlson were representing the Central Center for Family Resources. The Center came about as the result of a new Spring Lake Park Community Center. To build the community center, the City of Spring Lake Park needed federal monies and Jim Oberstar stated he would back this program if the City would provide some community resources rooms in the building. So, Spring Lake Park built the cou�unity center and had four offices design�ted for a community service-type program. Following that, a task force was set up of representatives from the schools, churches, co�nunity members, law enforcement people. Mr. Sabby stated this was approximately one year ago and at that time, he was with the Spring Lake Park School District in the counseling capacity in the Guidance Department. He represented the schools in this task force. Z'he task force looked first at the needs of Spring Lake Park. They felt that was much too limiting and, because the school district encompasses part of Fridley ,'� and part of Blaine, they decided it would be best to set up a program that w ould meet the needs of the whole co�unity, Spring Lake Park, Blaine,and• Fridley. Mr. Sabby stated that the Advisory Board gave input as to what was necessary for a community program. He_stated that both Jim Sprungman and Tim Turnbull of the Fridley Police Department were very helpful. Mr. Sabby stated that Blaine's statistics for 1978 indicated that out of 783 arrests, over 500 were juveniles. He thought Northtown had contributed to that as a lot of shoplifting occurred there. Larceny was also a big item. He stated that Spring Lake Park's statistics for 1978 indicated 170 juvenile arrests (approximately 2�/o of actual offenses occurring). Mr. Sabby stated that Jim Sprungman, Fridley Police Department, had provided statistics for the first quarter of 1979 in Fridley. These statistics indicated 919 total reported offenses, 113 juvenile arrests. Of the juvenile arrests, 23 were handled within the Police Department and 90 were referred to Anoka County Services. Mr. Sabby stated he was showing these statistics to the Planning Commission, because in the process of deciding on a program, they needed to know what was happening in the community. As a result of that information, along with the input from the schools, churehes, police departments, eta., they decided on the following program: � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 3 /^', � 1. Conduct parenting programs. Mr. Sabby stated that since going to the Human Resources Commission . meeting on June 7, Onan Corporation had funded $1,500 to the Center for Jean Clark's parenting program, "Self-Esteem - A Family Affair". , This will be one program which will start in August or early September. Ms. Carlson stated that one other reason they selected Ms. Clark's program was because a portion of that program trains facilitators that remain in the community. 2. Conduct parent discussion groups for parents of children in K- 3. Mr. Sabby stated that Fridley was very fortunate to have an elementary counselor, Mr. Tony Krall. Mr. Krall was a big influence in getting ° this program going, and Mr. Krall was very eager to share this information with them. This program would be offered in School District 16. Mr. Sabby stated that the main purpose of their program was preventative--getting to the parents and the families when they can sti11 have an impact before the children get into trouble. 3. Conduct discussion groups for parents of children in upper �' elementary grades. Mr. Sabby stated that the stage before adolescence is very frustrating for parents. This program would be available to Blaine, Spring�Lake Park, and Fridley. 4. Family counseling 5. GED (Guidance Equivalency Degzae) Training Center 6. Coordinate with other social service agencies and bring resource people into the community. A. Probation officer B. Battered women's group (Mr. Sabby stated that the battered women's group was already in one of the offices and they operate a 24-hour telephone hotline.) C. Social worker D. Drug counselor 7. Determine additional needs of community through needs assessment. Mr. Sabby stated that the parenting programs and the family counseling were the two things they were most interested in provid�ing in the prevention �ea. � �� � -�-�----r� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 4 ��•.� Mr. Sabby stated that it was difficult in get LEAA funding (which is law entorcement funding at the state level), because tl-�ey like facts and statistics. So, the first step is to get the community's support. If the cammunity is behind the program, the state is more liable to come up with some matching funds for the program. Mr. Sabby stated that is why° they are unique and why they are trying to get the local support first before even seeking LEAA funding. Mr. Sabby stated that most of Fridley's referrals go to Don Wegscheider, Director of Human Services at North Suburban Family Services Center. Mr. Sabby stated he worked closely with Mr. Wegscheider because they wanted to make sure there were not_being redundant. Mr. Wegscheider was very suppartive and sees the Center as being able to refer also, because North Suburban is more in the treatment area. Ms. Schnabel asked about what type of financing the Center could get from Anoka County. Ms. Carlson stated they were working with the County. Another possibility was mental health grants and aids-type funding. They were researching all possibilities at the Couaty level. The last state legislature had appropriated a large increase into the whole health area, but the County was not totally sure about all the criteria for how the money is to be spent and the actual breakdown. She stated they would be working closely with the County as these decisions are made. Mr. Sabby stated he wanted the Commission to understand that they were not asking for long term funding for this Center. They wanted local funding to get the program off the ground, because they feel it will be very successful. Mr. Langenfeld asked what the Center's goal was as far as dollars? Mr. Sabby stated that, initially, they set $25,000 for the first year to operate on a half-time basis. Ms. Carlson stated that their budgeting has to reflect both long range goals and the actual money in hand. They feel they are now in a safe area in being able to function well in the first year. However, they would like more money to be able to fund another half-time counselor (in addition to Mr. Sabby) for at least this year. She stated for s tate monies, the grant has to be written the beginning of July,.a proposal has to be in by the end of September, and � funds are allocated as of January 1, 1980. So, within their fiscal year, Ju1;-� 1- June 30, 1980, there is the possibility of another influx on that level. They wanted to be totally open as to where they can reasonably antici- pate funding and where they are going to attempt to get funding. In terms of program development, some of it will be written in the form of grants to specific corporations for specific programs. Their plan is to build a very solid base of support in the local community. '.� � �i P'LAI�TNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 5 Mr. Harris stated he had been on the Planning Commission for seven years, and he felt he had heard all th is before. He stated that a couple of years ago, SACA (Sourhern Anoka County Assistance) had presented a similar proposal. The City had funded same money to that organization and now what had happened to it? Mr. Treuenfels stated that he understood that SACA is still in existence and provides a referral service which evaluates cases that come in and refers them to appropriate agencies. He felt they did cammendable work. He did not feel there would be an overlapping of services between SACA and the Central Center for Family Resources. Ms. Hughes concurred with Mr. Treuenfels. She knew people involved in SACA and did not see this as a duplication of services, � Mr. Langenfeld asked if, in their needs assessment, they had tried to analyze how they might affect other similar projects or how other projects might affect them? Ms. Carlson s tated they had, that they had contacted all area services in comparing and researching their programs and how these other programs related to them as far as any overlapping. Ms. Hughes stated the real problem with this kind of program was going to be � in its evaluation. Prevention was not going to show up for sometimes 13 years after a child was born. Ms. Carlson stated it almost required a longitudinal study. They had talked about the possibility of writing a research grant to have someone do that type of study. Ms. Hughes stated that what they are likely to see come out of this is the output kind of ineasures and not the reRl outcome of the program, which will not show up for a period of time. It seemed to her that if this kind of program can be of any use at all, the value in just human resources was going to be so great and worth the gamble and certainly worth a few thousand dollars. Mr. Boardman stated he would like to see organizations like this gather some st�tistics that can be used for the planning process. He thought one of the key elements in a program like this was not only helping people, but looking for data and statistics that could be used for planning. Mr. Harris asked how they would be interacting with the Anoka County Welfare B oard? Mr. Sabby stated they had two people on their Advisory Board who would represent that area as far as interaction. Ms. Schnabel stated she felt this was the kind of program that Anoka County n should be involved in.� If the County felt it was a badly needed program, then the County should be coming up with some dollars. . . . �..�.,.,�,. PLANNING C�fISSION MEETING, JUNE Z0, 1979 PAGE 6 Mr. Langenfeld stated he felt if this program could prevent fifteen young- sters from entering the prison system, in tax dollars, they would certainly save the taxpayers money. Ms. Carlson stated that if they can prevent a few cases of child abuse, it would certainly be well worth it in human terms. Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Human Resources Commission was impressed � with this proposal, but had same questions similar to those voiced by the Planning Coa�ission members. He referred to page 5 of the Human Resources Commission minutes. The Human Resources Coumiission felt they could be of service by getting some background information regarding the availability of se rvices in this area. They would present thi� inf ormation to the Planning Commission. � Mr. Harris asked Mr. Sabby and Ms. Carlson how much noney they would be requesting from the City of Fridley? Mr. Sabby stated that the City of Blaine had contributed $5,000; the Spring Lake Park Lions Club had contributed $5,000; the Spring Lake Park VFW had contributed $6,000; and Onan had contributed $1,500 for the parenting program. They would like to request $5,000 from the City of Fridley. Mr. Harris stated he would like the Planning Commission to table this item until the Human Resources Commission could come back with the background inform ation and until Staff could research on where the City was budget- wise, so that all the information would be ready to go on to City Council: Mr. Sabby stated that sounded very fair to them. Mr. Sabby and Ms. Carlson stated that if there were any questions in the meantime, they could be reached mornings at 780-3036. (Lee Carlson's home phone: 786-3884. Dean Sabby's home phone: 757-5248) They also extended an invitation for the Planning Cammission members to stop by and see their facility. Mr. Boardman stated he felt very encouraged by this program. He thought a lot of things were happening with the pressures of today, social pressures, and different needs within the community. He felt it was the City's � responsibility, as well as the County's and everybody's responsibility to try to find out what those pressures are and how to deal with those kinds of pressures. With this preventative-type of program, they may be able to get some facts and figures and do something about the pressures that might be causing some of the problems in this society. He felt it was very important that this program be followed through. No matter what the recommenda- tion is on this proposal, he felt there should be a strong recommendation that some people sit down at all levels and try to work out some coordination, at least within Anoka County, as to wh at is going on. Ms. Hughes stated she was very encouraged about this kind of program and in this area. She knew people who would go far distances fox this kind of counseling. She had known Ms. Carlson for many years and had confidence in everything she was involved in. She stated she knew some of the members on the Advisory Board and was very encouraged by that. � . �"'`� PLAIJNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 7 ?; � MOTION BY MS. HUGHES, SECONDED BY MR. TREUENFELS, TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION � ON THE "PROPOSAL FOR A CENTRAL CENTER FOR FAMILY RESOURCES" UNTIL FURTHER INFORMATION IS RECEIVED TO TAKE TO CITY COUNCIL. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Harris thanked Ms. Carlson and Mr. Sabby for their presentation. 3. RECEIVE JTJNE 12, 1979, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive the June 12, 1979, Appeals Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. 4. CONTINUED: COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMEI�]T PLAN Mr. Boardman stated the Planning Department was presently in the process� of reorganizing the document to make it a more palatable document to understand. A gene�al strategy for laying out the entire document with an overall compre- hensive plan map will be at the beginning of the document instead of the introduction. Then each section will have a strategy lay-out, going into goals, objectives, and policy statements. Mr. Boardman stated th at, at this point, they had not yet decided what to do with the inventory. It had been suggested at the Environmental Quality Coummission mee.ting that the inventory be put in a separate document. Mr. Boardman stated they hoped to have the revised document completed and r eady for typing by the end of June. MOTION by l�ir, Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to continue discussion on the Comprehensive Development Plan until the revised document is completed. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared a 15-minute recess at 9:30 p.m. Chairperson Harris reconvened the meeting at 9:45 p.m. 5. CONTTNUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZODTING: Page 18 - 205.047 Automobile Parking Mr. Boardman stated that Item E. Stall Size should probably be changed to read: "All parking stalls shall follow standards as set up unaer a document 'How to Plan Parking Areas' that we use to define those standards. Mr. Boardman stated the same thing would be erue of Item F. Driveway Requirements. �.. � PLANNING CONIMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 8 Page 19 - � Mr. Boardman stated that again, on this page, the comment from the Appeals Commission was that this area shouklbe "except for R1 and R2". G- 1. Change "25 feet" to "20 feet" I. Truck Berths, ��2: Loading and unloading facilities are to be located in the rear yard; or side yard if properly screened by a solid 6-foot fence, substantial construction or other screening approved by the Zoning Adminiserator." Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman if he thought a 6-foot high solid screen fence was going to do much good in these particular situations? Mr. Boardman stated they had not much luck as far as screening. They preferred to get the loading and unloading facilities in the rear yard, but they could not always get them in the rear yard. So, they tried to screen as closely as possible. He thought they had been doing that with landscaping rather than a fence. Mr. Harris stated that, from his experience, he felt those 6-foot solid screen fences seem to be junk collectors. Mr. Boardman suggested they reword �2 to read: "Loading and unloading facilities are to be located in the rear yard or side yard if properly screened." � Mr. B oardman stated the Commission might want to talk about what conseitutes a"loading and unloading facility". Should they write something like "luading and unloading dock facilities should be located in the rear yard?" Mr, flarris stated that it was not always possible to have them located in the rear yard. When you are talking about a loading facility, you are talking about a lot more than a truck berth. Mr. Boardman stated that maybe in ��'2, they should talk about "outside loading and unloading docks must be in the rear yard", because they were concerned mainly about docks, and leave ��3 as it is. , Mr. Harris agreed with that. Page 20 - � 205.048 Performance Standards 1- B. Eliminate the word "morals" in the fourth line. 1- A. "All materials and equipment shall be kept in a building or shall be fully screened, so as not to be visible from any public right-of-way or adjoining property." , G� �, ,'�l PLANNING COMMISSION MEETiNG, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 9 Mr. Harris stated he had problems with that statement. What was the definition of "all materials and equipment"? Did this mean a person had to screen his boat sitting along side his house, or a snowmobile, or recreational vehicles, trailers, stacked firewood,etc.? Mr. Boardman stated there were a lot of problems with that, and he did not really know how they could control those problems. Mr. Harris stated he also had problems with, "fully screened, so as not to be visible from any public right-of-way or adjoining property". He felt it depends on the situation and location. For example, it was impossible for Carter-Day to screen their large equipment. It did not m ake sense to have a 6-foot high fence and try to screen a 15-foot trailer. It gets very expensive to store that kind of equipment. Mr. Boardman stated that Mr. Harris had asked the question of what constitutes "all materials and equipment". If a resident wants to store material or has objectionable material, the resident should be required to either move that material or have it screened. Right now they can only go in on a public nuisance violation and tag the violator. Mr. Harris stated there was another problem not yet discussed and that was the amount of vandalism in Fridley. It was tremendous. The solid screened areas are beautiful--you can't see a thing, including the police! He said ^ it bothered him that the City is always telling the business, homeowner, and property owner to do this and this and this. Everytime, we turn around and try to protect ourselves, the City seems to come up with another ordinance or another idea such as solid screened fencing and nice shrubbery. The City wants screening and the police say they can't see in where all the stuff is, so someone is going to have to make up his mind. Ms. Hughes stated she agreed with Mr. Harris. There were economic impacts on this, _or example, requiring garages and off-street parking that encourages people to drive rather than use mass transit and,some other things she had problems with in a zoning ordinance. Mr. Oquist stated vandalism. On the residential areas, look at. that on one hand, it is costly and has some affect on other hand, if you don't screen somehow, particularly in there is going to be all kinds of debris for people to Ms. Schnabel stated that lack of screening can also sometimes be a public nuisance. Mr. Harris stated he agreed, Where residential areas were involved, he was all for preserving the neighborhood, but that did not seem to be happening. i '� �. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 10 Ms. Schnabel stated she goes back ta the fact that if there was not an ordinance like this, the City would not have any authority to require screening for the things that really needed screening. There are certain visual pollution things she thought ought to be screened, and there were many examples in Fridley. Mr. Boardman stated he thought you could screen the majority of clutter from the visual line with a 6-foot high fence. The question was: What do you want to screen or what can you require to be screened without requiring all outside storage to be screened? Mr. Harris stated that maybe the screening situation should be looked at on a zoning basis as to what can be required in a commercial zon.e, M1 zone, and N!2 z one . Mr. Boardman stated the problem with that is there is so much scattered zoning throughout the entire city. Ms. Schnabel suggested that Mr. Harris come up with some wording that would better state what he would like to see in that portion of the zoning ordinance and bring it back to the Planning Commission. Mr. Harris agreed and stated that maybe he and Mr. Boardman could sit down and try to work something out, MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue discussion on Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. 6. OTI�R BUSINESS• A. Northtown Corridor River Crossing Ms. Hughes stated she would like to alert the Commission about this item. The Parks & Recreation Commission was aware of it and were going to follow up on it. She stated that MnDOT, Metropolitan Council, Anoka County, Hennepin County, and some neighboring cammunities have � been involved in the study of the Northtown Corridor and the crossing of the Mississippi River. This study was entitled, "First Level Evaluation of Alternatives of Thoroughfare 610" dated February 1979 and prepared by Bather, Ringrose, & Wolsfeld (BRW). Ms. Hughes stated the consultant had an informal hearing in Coon Rapids on June 11. One of the alternative crossings of the river was going across at 85th Ave, in Fridley, the southern route. This crossing would come very close to North Park. Ms. Hughes stated that the Parks & Recreation Commission would like•to ask the City to look into this situation in much greater detail and to find out what is actually happening. They were really asking the. City to join in the study, it that was still possible. ��. r"� ��'1 �' ! ' � � -r �`!•� :.�'�i.��9,� ..-��.)��'�', �ri.�i�rl�a la . .1�: c, d� - , �= :1_ �. �c,�,..,_,, ��,�,��: E-'f_� _:� ���l� . pa„���;. _ - a �� . , �, �,�y 7�.� c.; i�[ •Sy ';u, � ?979 PAGE 11 - �: was strange that the City did not �.. �y day it took place. •+:-,,sn;�ened was that sometime in the past, __ t� join in on this particular review. ��J�,° , �a.r,�• ,:; :? ? -; ,-� .: , : ronmental Quality Commission talked a`.,,,�:t t?��; �._. � h� .�E�-: 19, and they came to the conclusion �f-.,�:r �r ^. F-� �• ��• � ,a �, < �.� �, 3nd all the on-coming procedures and �.��1�:�,,; `��c� i;� .�,.r�;-:�.; � �.�_,; �;ummission accordingly, raGher than the ��.�� ^QaEc�_° ; uc�is;_,; . n,�:�l ir�formation. , , , i,ro :��ar.f:_r se-a�:, t�hree ..��e�°���.;,�;�:, c�'oss�x�b� Tlat�-:. c>� , 'f"i -L,-7 �.:} � n �? a��?il r�c.�� , ._ Isl.ara� anci Q.��r.��� �-�'-. , . . 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'� �!e �iep=.�.-c:;.r_t af . �� �aet7 � s�.ds �,r-�?� Ito��_� — � we t_ �= i.d s 5� �- ._ . f'�, ,. � � ve�-�� � � ��n�: �. �°nea:i Mr . �� ^'�-,��,� �;r; ��,,, iT^.t � ' ,,urrr �°. �.�il, [:l'� A � \3i"L��"^; o �_ c I 2'.3 4� � i, �v ;= F�,. _ �''.<_Yt�t�,tt�; �kt:. . _ - -: ;�,;,;� � . � , � ,, � �, � :,. _ .: �� .�., °--r�V �-�e understood, there were actually r'°s e�:�ssing, a southerly crossing, or no _::z:ives actually came within the City �of .�'-��rly crossing goes north of Breckenridge �I�:• new realigned Highway 10 or the old �. area. The concerns the City may have •. of that southerly crossing will be on !,�•�. and an EIS has not yet been done on it. . t�i�< Qureshi were involved in the Management =,._°Lr1or Study in 1974-75. They had opted .c��, �rimarily because all the access points ,�u �as taking place in Coon Rapids, Blaine, �ize '�ask Force would have involved a city :,a rn� consultant. They felt at that point -;i_1}� need to get involved in the actual '': i�31ey was not going to be affected by _-° ��'hat decision was made because the _5. i+. of Fridley. What they should do now . d:i,� thing and keep a close watch on the _ i". a concern expressed by the Environmental :. �lignment of Highway 10 just north of the _.��� ti racess of an EIS . Within the EIS, .����s was talking about the disruption of �� i. ��'�fect the two creeks off of whick� the r��� �s is Spring Brook Creek. So, the City � i+' c � �er upset with the Department of conflict with them over the wetlands ��: laws, etc. He really f�lt that the 3bout a statement made at the last �hat, in the event the City did not ngs, they could lose scope and a few taking place. He really felt the City t:erday . � � �.: .. ____ . _.�. a . ..__ .�_�... .._.____,..�.. a . ,... _ . ., . . ...y..�. �. .�,, . FLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 12 ' �� Mr. Boardman stated he felt it was very difficult at this time for the City to get into the Management Task Force because of the expenditure of monies and that type of thing. That was the purpose of the Management Task Force. He thought the main involvement should and will come in evaluating some of the things that c�e up. Ms. Hughes stated she just wanted the Planni.ng Commission to be aware of this problem and to be ready to follow whatever information comes from Staff. ----------------- Mr. Harris stated that the Planning Commission had the information requested from Staff on the Nitschke request for a three-unit townhouse development. The City Council has asked the Planning Commission to examine that and give them a new set of proposals for a possible ordinance change and how to handle any further requests of that kind. Mr. Boardman stated he thought the City Council had tabled the Nitschke request and sent it back to the Planning Commission.for further study on all types of issues like this. He stated he would probably want to sit down with the city attorneys to see what can and cannut be legally done as to restrictin.g property use. .''� Mr. Harris stated this whole subject should again be put on the Planning Commission agenda. . ADJOURNMENT : MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the June 20, 1979, Planning Commissi on meeting adjourned at 11:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted, \ ��� Lyn Saba Recording Secretary /"�