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PL 07/11/1979 - 30513e, � ;� CITY OF FFtIDLE�' PLANrTING COI�M�SIS3IOP1 N�ETING - JULY 11 19 9 ' �, CAT.L TO ORDER: Chairman Harris called the Ju1y 11, 19?9� meetin� of the Planning Coannission to order at 7: 35 P• j�• � ROLL CALL: C I��mbers Present: Ms. Hughes� Mr. Oquist� Ms. Schnabel� Mr. Harris, Mr. Langenfeld (8:50) ,a � Members Absent: N�. Treuenfels ` - , ,. ' Others Present: Bil1 Deblon, Associate P].�nner Mike Franzen � Planning Stafi 1. APPROVE PLA�IING CO2�Il�IISSION MCN[FI'ES: ,rtm� 20, 1979: MOTION by Mr. Oquist� seconded by Ms. Hughes� to approve the June 20, �979, Plannin� Commission minutes. UPO1V A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CBAIl2MAN HARRIS DECLARED TEE N,OTION CARRIED IJNANIMOUSLY. ° � 2. PUBLIC HEIIRING: REZOIJING REQTJEST, ZOA �-05, BY R. C. WITT CONSTRUCTIOPI: Rezone Lots 2 and 3� Block l�_Herwal Rice Creels Terrace� from NI-1 light /�'`� � industrial areas)�io CR�l ��eneral officz and limited business � to allow . the construction of two office buildings, 30 ieet by 12 feet, the same ~ bein�_ 330 and 370 Central Avenue N.E. . Motion by Mso Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Oquist� to open the Public Hearing. UPON A VOICE V01'E� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN AARRTS DECLARED T� PUgLIC �AR�N'G O��v � 7: �+o P. r�. Mro Deblon gave the Commissioners a copy of the site plan. He stated that it was currently classified N�l and the petitioner would like to change it to CR�l which is light comtnercial or light oifice use. Tt appears that the present zoning is incompatible to surrounding uses. The_�.urrqundine areas is classified C�1, C-2, R-1 and C-2S, with the exception of the immediately adiacent lots which - axe zoned M-1 Mso Hughes asked �rhere the other zonings were located. Mr. Harris stated they were located across the street and �to the south on the same side. �.'he Commissioners examined a mag which indicated the various zonings. Mr. Deblon stated it �rras virtually an island ox" M-1 zoning surrounded by C-l� C-2� etc. ` Staff fel� this was mis�zoned and the 1�1 is incompatible with the �--� surrounding uses. Also� there is margix�al access3b31ity fox an M-1 zoning. J _ _.,R..,�,...... � PLANNING COM�IISSION MEETING, JULY 11, 1g79 -- ' . �,�, PA� ,� � Mr. Deblon stated the petitio�er proposed to build �two buildings. One would . be built prior to the other one� but the second one would be started by the completion time oY the first one. There would be adequate parkin� available. On the side zoned R-l� they would �rant to insure adequate screening either by vegetation or fencing. TheY observed from field analysis that there is currently adequate screening by vegetation. The existing trees would add aesthetically to the development. N�. Franzen stated that the City was looking at others�eaof thehM-liarea�s that considering p]zasing out� over a long period of time� are similar to this area. Staff felt �chat the M-1 zonin� in this particular area is incompatible with the residential areas across the street. Staff di�e not see any problem at this time, with a reques�t to rezane this property. Also� this property and the P�nreviewed by theeR ceeCreek WatershednDistrict•which is one plan will have to be of the reasons for the tempek atershed�District thHe sicated�hererwasraydrainage located within the Rice Cre flow into Moore Lake from this particvlar parcel. Mso Schnabel stated that she was concerned because it is a marginally swampy are�. N1r. Franzen stated that the proposed structure would have no basement, but a slab layed out on the ].and. It would be a two story structure. �, pquist asked if they would have pile-ons? Nir. Franzen stated that he believed they would. Mr. Harris stated they would have to check the soil. /'°'� �"� Ms. Hu�hes asked about the parking and if there was any excess? The �etitioner� Mr. R. C. Witt� stat�d��h�he P� Posed planemeteall the req,uirements number rec»red by code. He stated with one e:�ception. A�+0 foot setback is required and the plan would not meet t}aat requirer�ent at this time. Hos�rever� the architect will change the plan to meet that requirem�nt. There is plenty of side yard and back YaRice1CreekcWateril- able. To their knowledge� the pla� is otherwise satisfactory. the soil shed wi]1 �o over �he ponding area. He stated ichey would be check �e indepth and stated there was a f�ost feet��The�onl�Y axearhe�thoughticould be unsua.table ground level would be 3 5 wae the back corner. Mso Schnabel stated that she understood they were building two separate buildings and a5ked if they were building it for resa1both buildingsnor j sttoneyep it? Also� if they did inten d to s e l l� w o u l d t h e y s e l l NIr. Witt stated they 3:ntended to keep the buil�a�d' out� i ewou].d beedif�icult � �hey would sell both buildings. The �raY it s Y split it up . se � to �"\ r � PLA1VnTING COP�RdISSION MEETSNGy �Y aa.,� i�79 ' � PA� 3 �a Mre Harria asked what the setback would be from the rear l.ot line to the proposed � building? . � Mr. W3tt stated the 1ot was about 300 feet deep and the setback would be about 30 or 40 fest. Mr. Harr3s asked hasa much of that they intended to leave natural? Mr. Witt eta�ed they planned to leave all the trees and would try to maintain the ' natur�l shrubs� etc. Mr. Harris stated he was concerned about leavin� enough room for screenin�. He asked what the side yard offset would be? . � � Mr. Witt stated that he believed it would be about � feet. Nir. Harris stated he was concerned that the ponding area be lar�e enou�h to handle the runoff. N�r. Witt stated �hat Rice Creek Watershed would have to determine what is necessary there. Mr. Harris stated that would effect the layout of the plan. Mr. W3tt stated that he had talked to his architect and the architeet ielt it would be more than enou,gh. � � N�o H�rris asked if Mr. W3tt was familar with what would be allowed in a CR-1 zone? M.s. Hughes asked what types af businesses he planned on having in the buildings? She was concerned that the two M-1 zoni.ngs could be a detrement to the office building. N1r. W3tt s•;,ated that he felt Ziebaxt had a clean bu.ilding and was not too concerned about tha,'co He had tal.ked to Mr. Boardman about what was allowed in a CR-1 and he would be looking at tenanics such as sma]1 insuranee agencies� real estate offices9 etc. Ms. Schnabel read the code for Mro Witt and stated that CR-1 r,rould allow general offices and lz.mited businesses such as real estate� lawyers� medical9 dental� optical� etc. bis. Schnabel asked what �type oi signing they would�have to alex°t people to the busi.nesses located �here? Mr. Witt stated the architect would design the si�ns nnd �hey wauld be according to the requirements. Mr. Tiarris stated that .a sigia takes a separate per�it and su��ested NLr. Witt read the sign ordinance. PLANNING COMMISSION ME�.TING, JULY lls 1979 - PAGE � Mr. Jerry Wraneschetz, 6355 Pierce St. 1�IEE� came for�rard and atated ��a house was located iuunediate],y to �he wes� of �the lot in question. He wae concerned that � they don't chop do�rn the trees �Chere. He stated he had talked to Councilman Dennis Schneider and was concerried because this vacant lot acts as a holding pond for water. When it xains bard� �he water lays there and gradually seeps in. 7n a ha'rd rain� �he water backs up into his yard and his neighbors yard. • He would not like to see them blacktop the whole thing because it would make the problem worse. � � Ms. Schnabel suggested Mr. Wraneschetz look at the proposed pl.an� and. in Particular the proposed ponding areae � Ns. Franzen stated that Rice Creek Wa-tershed requ3.res tYiat the existing runoff cannot be exceeded by ariother development. So� the�amount of water that runs off this property zaith a parking lot cannot exceed the c�urrent amount of runoPf. That is the reason for the pondin.� area. Mr. Wraneschetz asked. if they could have flat roofs to hold the water. Nir. Harris stated they would prefer not to do that. Ground ponding is far superior to roof pondingo Also� a swale should be bv3lt. They will have to have a complete drainage plan from Rice Creek Watershed. Mr. Wraneschetz stated he was also concerned about the screening. In the fall� when the leave ia71 off� it gets pretty bare and he would like a buffer. Ms. Schnabel asked if there was a depression or ditch bet'ween N�. Wraneschetz's �'`� property and the Zot in ques�ion? Mr. Barris stated there wasn't, just the general slope o� the land which runs to the south. Mr. Oquist stated that this could help Mr. Wraneschetz's problem if it is done �Z.gl.at e ' Mr. Harris stated there shouldntt be any drainage i'rom �hi-s Property onto ar�y other property. 1+�. Oquist asked what the exterior of the building taould be? Mr� Wi.tt stated it would be cedar with brick or stone an the front. He was not sure about the sides ye-�. 1�s. Hughes asked i� they would proceed with the project if for drainage reasons or other reasons the second building w�s a problem2 N',r. Witt stated that be��uif they couldn°t�bui3.d�bo�n buildin�sably would not continue with i�he proj . Ms. Schnabel s'ca�ted because of tlie size of the praperty� they could xearrange the buildings if necessary. � - � PLANNING CdNII+4ISSI0N P�ETING' JULY 11� 1979 ° ;,� PAGE 5 �� Mr. Witt stated they had looked at alternatives� such as putting the bu3ldings �"`� together� but it was decided this was the bes� plan. He stated the 1ot taas about 70,000 s�uare feet 9.n total and that should be ample. He would like to keep the parking lot in the front oi' the building because it would be better for the houses to the rear. MOTION by Ms. 3chnabel, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to close the Public Hearing. UPaN A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMl�I�T HARRIS TJECLl�tID THE PUBLIC E.EARING CLOS�D AT 8:15 P.M, Ms. Schnabel asked if Staf� had heard i'rom ar�y other neighbors regarding this request? . . Mr. Deblon stated they had not as far as he knew. Ms. Iiughes stated that it seemed a reasonably good solution to the zaning problems and aZso, if �or some reason the project was not completed, 3t would still be a reasonable rezoning. Mr. Oquist asked what was allowed in an M-1? Ms. Schnabel stated that I�l al7.owed manufacturing� buildin� material yards� cox��ractor's yards� lumber yards� bus and taxi storage� warehouses� etc. 2�3r. T3arris stated that M-1. is praUably not in keeping with the neighborss but � technecally� �his is a spat rezoning. Mr. Oquisic stated that because they have Midwest Storaee on one side and Ziebart on the other side� it would be better to play it down so they don't get a similar use in there. . I+�. Earris asked if Staff had researched to see if this was rezoned before? Mr. Deblon stated they had looked into that but could not find the date it was rezoned if it was rezoned. Mr. Ha,rris suggested they research that and find out before this goes to Council. Ns. Schnabel. suggested that Staff put that k3nd of infora�ation on the �pplication. MOTION by N1s. Hughes� seconded by Ms. Schnabel� to recommend to Council approval of Rezoni� Request� ZOA��T9-05� by R. C. Witt Construction to rezone Lots 2 and 3 Block 1, Herwal Rice Creek Terrace� from�M-1 (light industrial areas) ico CR-1 (general office and limited business)� to allow the construction of t��o office bu�.ldings' 30 �'eet by 128 feet� the sanle bein� 6330 and 6370 Central Ave. N.E.� witlz i;he folloz�rin� stipulations: 1)a draina�e plan be on file before this r�quest go�s to Council� and 2) adequate screening f'rom residential areas and also a 1r�ndscapin� plan outline on file. UPON A VOICE V�7I'E� AI.L VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAIV AARRIS DECL�RED TAE MOTION CAR��D n UNANIMOUSLY. � Mr. FIarris infoxzne�l the pet�.�ioner that this would �o to�Cowncil on July 23, 197g. Iie sug�es�Led Mr. Witt �e� started on the drainage plan� because Rice Creek Wa�ex- shed only meets once a manth. , Pi�ANNITIG CONIlyLLSSION MEETLNG, J�TLY 11 19 9` ' _�.� 3 o RECEIVE P1�RICS & REC='CnEATION COMI�.SSION NIINiJTES: .nm� i3�,. i979: MOTION by Ms. HugY�e�, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the June 13� 1979, minutes of the Parks �e Recreat3on Commission. Ms. Hughes referred to the motion on page 5 regarding the Northtown Bridge Crossing and stated they had discussed this at the last Plenning Commission meetin� and had reques�ted some additional inf'orma�cion from Staff. Also� Mso Hughes pointed out the motion on page 7 rega.rding th� Grave Evangelical Free Church and stated they had recarnmended they adhere to the policy on fences. d. �"� Mr. Diblon stated there were four alternatives being discussed and the eventual • choice will probably depend upon the decision.to be� mad.e regarding T.H. �10. He stated he called the Project Manager for the Minnesota Department of Transportation, District 5, and requested that the City of Fridley be notified of all future meetings in the Coon Ra.pids area regarding this matter. Some time ago, the City was going to be on the Committee, but, but had opted out because the alterciatives didn't affect Fridley. Not 3:t seems there are alternatives that would affect Fridley. They now have what is called the "First Level Evaluation". Some cortunit ato provide concerned about this because they fear this will be their only opp Y inpu.t. Actually, this was incorrect.. There are new guidelines frc�m the Council of Environmental Quality, National Environmental Policy Act. This has created a new environmental impact review process. The "First Level Evaluation" involves the public and narrows the number of alternatives. The public will be involved through- out the whole process. They will not.be excluded after this first process. The main th.ing he wanted to assure the Commission was that Staff would be notified of ,n a11 future meetings regarding this. A decision lias not been made and would pr�bably depend upon the decision for T.H. ��10. Nir. Harris asked wha� the southern mos� alternative was? He was concerned about County Road 132. . Mca Deblon�s�tated they had onl,y identified a co�•ridor and h�d not given any specifics. Mso Hughes s�tated tha� one proposed route could touch a smal.l portion of Fridleyo She stated that the �IS on the bridge relocation would not be done until Octobero Mso Hughes also stated that the Park Co�nit�ee was concerned about the impact the relocation would hsve on Spring Bxook and North Parko 1'he impact could be signif icant . � N�m Deblon stated "that Sta�'f wou].d p�ovide reports to keep everyone inf'ormed. U1'ON A VOICE VOTE� AT�L VaTT.1�TG AYE' CHAIKP�tl�.TJ NAI',PIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIID UNANII�iOUSLY . �. o RECEIVE ENVIROIVr�NTAL �ITY COA�":ISSION T�IIN`�PZ'ES: JU1� 1' MOTIC�N by NIr. L�zngerlfeld� seconded by b4s. Scr�n�bal,� mi^ nutes of the Environmental Quality Co�issiono t� receive the June 19� ].979� � PI�ANNIrTG COMMISSION MEETING, JULY 11� 1979 - PAGE 7 . . Mr. I.angenfeld stated that he did not feel the need.to go through �he minutes r'��, at any great len�th because they touched on it at their last meeting. He stated that the minutes indicated they�were in concurrance with Ms. Hughes�s recorr�nendations, At their ne�ct mee-ting they would be discussing the feasibility of the Environmental Impact Statement regardipg the.rerouting oi Highway 10. iie referred to page 2 of the minutes regarding ianderground construction and stated that the more he read about this� the more interestin� it was. Mr. Deblon stated that after reviewing T.H. �10 EIS, he felt it demonstrated a need for action to alleviate the volume of traffic. The EIS addresses that question and also the relief gained along community thoroughfares. The EIS revealed plan compatibility with two counties, four communities and the region. Mr. Oquist asked if it would go through Fridley? Mr. Deblon stated it would not. It would go through Coon Rapids, Moundsview, Spring Lake Park and Blaine. The Environmental Impact Statement states that each community has either a plan which includes the proposed action or has assumed that the proposed plan would be constructed. He stated this was for the new route and also stated that pa�t of the new route is already in existence. In no way do the plans reject the need for an improved highway in this area. The EIS goes on to say that both Coon Eapids and Blaine have ma.de strong comitulent.s. in support of the construction of the relocation of T,H. ��10. Blaine has included a corridor for relocated T.H. �i�10 in the project area in it's zoning ma.p since 1962. The main reason for the support of the relocation of T.H. �i�10 is to remove through traffic from their Center Citys=�.. �� . Mr. Aarris asked if and how the upgrading of T.A. ��10 would affect Fridley? Mr..Deblon staed that he didn't think the upgrading of T.H.i�10 would effect �I Fridley that much, However, there would be temporary stream turbidity from_ ! construction, and also possibly more salt discharged into Spring Brook, which ` is a Fridley creek. � t --- - i -- - - -__ . _ _ -- l� _ �_��� �-- _._-_._- --___... - . __ . _ _ ; ,, - -. � .. ,.1. ..i .-, d N1s. Hughes stated that the other ma,jor impact would be what would happen to 69�+• By putting in a br3dge crossing and upgradi.ng Highway 10� it presumabl,y could alle�*iate some of the trafPic. IioweverJ they are planning �o expand 6g�+ by several lanes and. tPie situation wi11 not changeo There will be no benefit gained from Highway 10. Part of the language in this and in the other bridge �' loca�ion indicates that it is unacceptable to do what the Envircnmental Quality Commission had talked about, creatin� congestion.to change travel patterns. One of the things� by not building Highway 10 and by not expanding bridges might well be that you would create enough congestion �;hat people are forced into another mode of transit. That is a viable alternative and they are beginning to see a few demonstrations of �hat. They might choose mass transito � Mr. Oquist stated that first they had to have the transit system. Mro Deblon sta�ted that the philosophy of Metropolitan Counci,l was to make more � n efficient u�e o#' what we have and fhat wou�d tie to improve and p}pgrade the ex%sting system in places. " � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JULY 11, 1979 PAGE 8 Mr. Harris stated that with all the construction going on, they should be ablepto do something about the quality of water in Spring Brook. �s Mr. Deblon stated that in the EIS, there were probably impacts on ad�acent wetlands and Spring Brook that would have to be mitigated. Moreover, the Fish and Wildlife and the Deparment of Natural Resources (DNR) have expressed concern for the wetlands, wildlife and drainage affected by the action. The EIS takes into account their recommendations. Mr. Deiilon stated that the main effect of the actton on Fridley� would �Ge xe7.a,ted to run-off. Run-off "will flow to existing wetlands and constguction ponding axeas adjacent to the corridor". The run-off would then be carried away�By �creeks sucfi as Spring Brook. The relocat'ion of T.H. 4�10 would cross Spring B�ook at tfie Po1k Street intersection. At this crossing,.the "channel and fipdraulfic characteristics of this stream would be preserved in the design of the crossing, and monitoring would be done to determine the effectiveness of erosion controls during construction". In regard to water quality, "the filling of existi:.�ig�re�lands (known to remove a variety of potential polutants by means of physical entrapment,�microbial transforma- tion and biological utilization)" will lower water qualtiy. However, the proposed action does offer the opportunity to restore wetland �unctions� in area.s (i.e. embank- ments and drainage facilities can be used to impound wa.ter�. Mr. Harris stated that a major source of pollution was salt from highways. Mr. Langenfeld stated that he felt they would be grossly affected by this, e�pecially in regard to water quality and pollution and also that Coon Rapids would be faced with quite a situation as things continue. He stated that he had little faith in the DNR. Also, on page six of the minutes h��adDeblonastatedathat Staff willbreprese t^ Fridley would be representing tfie City. the City in all highway construction proposals.affecting Fridley. Ms. Schnabel asked if the current T.H. ��10 was upgraded, would there be any adverse effects or any impact on Fridley? Mr. Deblon stated that construction would increase the turbidity of Spring Brook but that would be minimized by diversion ponding and other techniques. But this increase in turbidity would only be during the initial constructicn. Also, if thAre is a lot of snowfall, it might cause the use of more . salt. The highway would be upgraded to freeway standards. Ms. Schnabel stated that she thought in was incredible that the State was considering even building a new freeway with the price of gasoline going up and with the new attitude toward public transporation. Ms. Hughes asked which alternative seemed most likely. Mr. Deblon stated that the EIS portrayed the new construction as being the best alternative for the communities involved. Ms. Schnabel said the City should stay on top of it regardless of which alternative was decided upon. � Mr. Deblon stated that staff was not endorcing any of the alternatives, but was attempting to evaluate the effects on Fridley. He concluded athat: 1) there was a need for action to alleviate the traffic volume problem, 2) there would be effects on wetlands and Spring Brook, however measures are going to be take to minimize effects, and, 3) whatever alternative �aas chosen, the City should ensure that necessary ^ measures are taken to minimize the effects on Spring Brook. � PLANNIlVG CONII�LLSSION MEETING, JULY 11, 1979 - PAGE 9 �, � UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTTNG AXE� CHAIl�MAN HARRIS DECLARED�TF� MOTSON CARRIED �. UNANIMOUSLY. . 5• RE�EIVE AI'PEALS CONIMZSSION MIPJiPI'ES: � 26, 1979: MOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. I,angenfeld� to receive the June 26, 1979, � minutes of the Appeals Commission. UPON A VOICE V07�� AI,L VOTING AYE� C�]AIRMAI.V HARgIS DECLARED TEE MpTION CARRIED UNANSMOIJSLY , 6. CONTIIVUED; DZSCUSSION ON CONV�RSION OF RENTAL pRppPFRTy TO INDIVIDUAL � OWNERSHIP PROPERTY: Mr. Harris stated that Staff was not prepared to discuss this item and it shou7.d be cnntinued. Ms. Schnabel stated that there was an articZe in the A�inneapolis paper last Saturday regarding the new Minneapolis Ordinance regarding this issue. She as}sed. that a copy of the Ordinance be included in the agenda when they diseuss this i�em. . MaTI�I by Ms.. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Oquist� to continue discussion on con- version o�' rental property to indiv3dual ownership property. UPON A VOICE VOTE' ALL VOTTNG AYE� CHArRMAN' HAR,RIS 7�CLARED THE MOTION CARRIED �` IJNAN�MOIlS?,Y. Chairman Harris declared a recess at 9:20 P.M. and. reconvened the mee�ting at 9�3o P.M. 7. CONTINi)ED: COI�ZPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMEI�F.I' PLAPT: Mr. Franzen sta�ted he used various colors �t,yere used to identify the sections. In the beginning there is an overview which discusses the general planning or development direction for the co�nu�ity. It talks about the k3nd of issues they want to respond to. Each section responds to some of those issues. Each plan follows the same format of having an introduction which is on yellow paper and the goals and objectives and policies are in the goldenrod. The inventaries are the same but the colored pages indicate the changes they made. 1�', Franzen s�ated that he would like to start the discussion with the Overview and would like a general conse.nsus ii this is the way they feel the community should be going, He s�tated that once they were done with the Overview Sec�cion and get into the specific plans, at the beginning of each plan there is a plan dir�ctinn statement. If they can reach a consensus regarding the plan directions� then the goals, objectives and policies will relate to that plan direction. If they wish to make a change� they wi11 make it in the plan direct3on. � PLANNING CONIMTSSION MEETING, JULY Z1� 19?„� - PAGE 10 � P�. Franzen stated that the first pa�e of the Overview iridicated that they ' f��' felt issues of the community are redevelopment and r` � land eand resource management r�ather than �rowth managemento Below that they � indica�te the type of issues they felt Fridley would be fac3ng in the next 10-1s years. Following that is a brief discussion of each issue. ' N1r. Langenfeld stated he liked where they stated that the plan was a�uide and ' a framework xather than an answer to al). questions. Mr. Franzen stated that the Overview Section says in a nutshe].1. where they are goin� with the plan. 0 PLAN DIRECTION Mr. Harris stated that the last paragraph in Plan Direction bothered him. He stated it was a general statement and he was not sure it was true in al]. cases. She did Ms. Sclinabel stated tha't she had noted a tendency to become pre�cl�,yShe felt it not feel that this rras what Metropolitan Council was looking foro was a good. exercisebe�look ne fora bTheyrwou7-d want the�facts.e it was what Met . Counc i7, would � Mr. Deblon sta'ted that hee�anushould bessomething cieveryone�c�oulsdlrelateat°. the �eneral public. P Mr. Harris again referred to the last paragraph under P1an Direction and sta�ced � that he felt it was an oversimplification. Ms. IIughes suggested they try to make the statement a].ittle more positive. � Mr. Oquist stated it was a totally negatevits�a�ement. He did not feel it was a true sentence. He suggested they 1eav Mr. Franzen stated he would either remove �he statement or rewrite it. LISTING OF ISSiJES #2 - Meeting Expanded Recreational & Leisure Needs: - Mr. Harris stated he was not suxe what they meant by "].eisure needs: � A�. Franzen stated that recreation was a use made.of leisure �ime. I�. Aarris asked i� they should expand that statement sli��'t�,y. Maybe they needed a dif�'erent tirord than leisure. . N1s. ftu;hes sug�ested that maybe the word "needs" was a problem. Mr. Deblon agreed and stated he w�uld look ir�to it. � w PLA,NI'lIF1G COP�IISSION MEETIr7G, JiJLY 11, a.979 • PAGE 1]. �' �}f -�'rovision of A].ternative Forms oP Transit: . �, _ Mr. Harris asked where they were going with that? The implication of the word tran- sit bothered him. Mr. Franzen stated ichey were lookin� at bicycle and pedes�rien movement and expanding bicycle and pedestrian accessibility to tr,e shopping areas� etco Mr. Aarris asked if they were proposing the City �et into the transit business? Mr. Franzen stated they were not. Mr. Langenfeld stat�d it could mean i�uproving the �xist�ng NP1'� system. Ms. Hu�hes agreed and added it cnuld be an addi�ion of cross-to�rrn. movemento Mr. Franzen stated that they do mention that they would like to expand the N�PC service. Mr. Earris asked if' the question of energy was addressed in the boak. Mre Franzen stated they addressed that in four or f ive different places and also in the site plan reviesa process. . �l MAINTAIN2NG ECONOMCC STABILITY AND DIVERSZ�'Y: I�s'. 7�angenfeld referred to the �+th paragraph and stated that he like the general � statement but ques-�ioned the last sentence in i;ha'c paragraph. T�.at last sentencE cou].d raise a11 lcin3s of questions. I�r. Oqu3st s�a'�ed he had no problem with it� bu.t when they start trying to cZarify statements in a summary, they.should be care�u].. There are a lot of flowex statements i.n the document and•�his sen�ence is one of them. Maybe they should leave it out. . �1r. Harris agreed and suggested they delete ite Ms. Sc}znabel stated tha�t each of the six issues listed should correspond.to a specific section and'perhaps the titles should be the sameo The taay it is layed�tout� i� is difficult to follo�a. For instance� "Rcvitalization of Commercial Areas is under the Land Use sectione The ti�les should correspond. Mr. Deblon stated tha� was a good point and woulcl look intA clartfyin� that, Ms. Hv,�hes stated thex� should also be consistenay in the wording. For example� they use "Maintain3ng" in one title and '�Revitalization" in another, To be consistent� "Revi�alization" should be "Revitalizing", etc. She aZso found a problem with 'che wordizag of the title for the housin� section. St was confusing as to whether they were �oin� to rehabilitate houses or neighborhoals. � � pLpNNING CONIl�7TSSION MEETING, JULY llp 19?9 _ - PAGE ].� _- Ms. Hughes stated that she felt water quality was a major concern and prubably should not be under the sewer section. Nlr, �iarris referred to the first para�raph under this item and stated that the !�$�O figure bothered him. He asked if that fi�ure was developable land or total industrial land. There is a 1ot of in�iustrial zoned land in Fridley tY�at is not buildable such as the railroad land. He would ].ike to see a figure of how much is buildab?e industrial lande He su�gested that a inventory of the industrial land in Fridley be talsen and broken down according to railroad land� buildable land and unbuildable land. With this figure� we would be kidding ourselves as to how much land is available 'co be rezoned to residen�ia]�, which is what we are talking about. We need more specific iigures. The Comm�.ssioners concurred.. Ms. Schnabe7, asked if we were talking about economic diversity? i�o �'ranzen stated that meant that it would not be goad for.the City to be dependent �.pon one large com�pany that couJ.d decide io pull out. Mi�o F'ranzen asked if there were any sigr�ificant issues that were not addressed in the Overview? Ms, Hu�hes stated i;hat 4rater quality was the only thing she felt was leit ou-�. Mr. Deblon s'tatecl �they could add �.n overview section for watex quality. #2 NPE'rING EXPANDED RECREATIONAL AND LEISiJRE NEEDS: Mr � FTarris asked r•4s o Hughes if she �•.*as happy with this section in the Overview? Ms. Aughes st�ted that her commission had not yet reviewed this section� but she did have some changes. One of the probler�s in the Park Commi-�tee was they had not discussed the philosophy o�' where they want 'che Park Com¢�i't-L-ee to go and they wi.l,l, 1�e doing tha� next week. Because of this she was not ready' to comment and would like to ge� input frora the rest of ihe Commissiono She did �eelrt�hey�w� d want �o see more protecicion of na'ta al�£a�hl,ognard�foraspeciallinterest graups. offered including so�e passive kZn She stated tha.t the one thing she found �co be miss3ng was a s�tatement regarding providing adequate park acreage. t�fr. Franzen referred to the last paragraph. Ms� Hu,ghes stated that that paragraph only adclressed regional cooperation. Mr. Harris stated that the parks sit nai��� W a no�nadd.ressed inZthis section. the industr:�al land to residential� a �o gughes stated that she had a statement t�� �lo�'ulation� and sheewould give variety of recreation and acrea�e f or a grc�.�in� p P to them. Fler s�Latemen� «o�-d �l�is�on nextf �Jednesday�r�ph• �he stated her Commission would be looking at th it r'�"'� � � �. ' P PLANNII�IG COt�IISSION MEETING, JULY 11, �979 - PAG� J.3 , , � ' � #3^ENVIRONN�NTAL RESOikZCE PROTECTION AND MANAGEn'�NT: - . r' ,, � � Mr. Lan�en�eld sta-ted h3.s Cou�ni.ssion would be discussing this next Tuesday. He did want �a point out that� in his personal opinion� the word "civilized outlook" in the third paragraph should be deleted. N1s. 13ughes stated �hat she agreed and had changed tha't to ecolo�ical outlooko ' Mr. La,ngenfeld s�ated that he liked the �+th para�raph and the 5th paragraph. He stated that was nice ii you could do it. Ms. Hughes stated that one criticism she wou].d have fox this kind of section and �he one on critical areas is that wh31e she agrees you have to manage and control those words imply over-manage and over-control. • Ms. Schnabel su�gested they use the words preserve and protect. Mr. Deblon agreed and stated that in order to preserve or protect something� you ha.ve ,to manage it. Ms. Schnabel stated that was i�plicit in thoss words. Mr. Harris reierred to the first paragraph and stated that he felt that from the word "since" on down they raexe edi�orializing a little bit. He was not sure that applied to Fridley, • !"� Mr. Franzen agreed. Mr. Harris asked if Mr. Franzen felt they needed that statement. Mr. Franzen stated they probably didn't. Ms. Schnabel suggested the pages be numbered. � REVITALZZATION OF COM[��RCIAL AitEAS; N1s. Hughes sta'ted that in the third paragraph� in the last line, the word "City" should�tbe changed to "Centers".. Also� in the fifth paragraph� second l�.ne� the words shoppixig center" should be changed to "shopping area". The Co�nissioners concurred. NIs. Schnabel referred to the �'our�th p�ragraph re�arding 53rd and Ta H. 65, �nd she aslced if i�L iaas a goa]. to �;o from Mississippi and T. H. �+7 to 53rd and T. Ii. 65 and star� in there? She su�gested they leave that out. A?ro Harris agreed and stated they should get some policy direction from Council on tha� before they include such a statemen� in here. �"1 PLANNING COi�9ISSI0N MEETING� JULY 11, 197g - PAGE_l�+ �' .�..�__� Mso Schnabel sta�ted there could be other a-reas that could have priority. �-� P�.; ' Mr. Deblon stated they cauld chan�e tht�t to read "There are other areas that shou].d be looked at" . Mr. Harris stateci that would be fine. - • I . � . � Mr, I,an�enfeld referred ico the last paragraph and suggested the words "under construction" be changed. to "occupied°1. This was in re�ards to Village Green. 'i Mr. Harris agreed. �5 ADDITIONAL HOUSING� REHABILITATION� AND NESGI�BORHOOD PRESERVATION: The Co�nissioners discusseC �ciluesl'��oWasfsuggested�thatOStaf�'tP�'esentnthe as requested by Metropolitan a data in a clearer manner. Ms. Sc}�nabel felt it could be explained as follo�rs: 2300 new construction� - �+60 New subsidized units ° '1�0 new unsubsidized units (market rate) - 1-E80 new unsubsidized uni-ts 1T0 new subsidized units Ms. Schnabel stated �that Frialey alx'eady had 1360 sub sidized units in its exis�ing �"'�. housing stock� but that was a different 1360 from the figure in the formula given ab oee . Mr. Oquis� recommended the first two paragraphs under this section in the Overview be rewrittAn with a clearer explanation. Ms. Sc3anabel referred to the six'th paragraph in this section and stated that t,he last sentence which refers to assis-tance from fedexal and�or state loans and grants to homeowners� and stated that she read this to ncean that the only way 'to r�s ilitate the housing stock in the City was to go the federal government or state. bothered her Uecause it was xeal.]y money out of our pockets and also the idea that this was the at�itude �that thzs was �he only way we cou�.d do it. . Mr o Deblc:a sta'ted �Lhey would try to reinforce private investment with publ.ic �expend3tures. They did not feel thai -�he state and �ederal would. be a major role� althou;h they wi7.1 pursue it where they qualify. Ms. Harris stated tha� the intent of that money was to be seed money to get things g�3�. We should not rely on that money. I�. Deblon stated that low income people saill seek the money rather than the r�verage ho�neowner o bs. Lsngen�eld stated tha� the words "much of the City" should.not be in there. ^ '' � pI,ANNrP1G COP���ISSIOPI MCETING, JULY 11, 1979 - PAGE 15 � n ,��, �° ".Mr. Harris stated this would apply mos•t,l.y to rental units. �� Ms. Schnabel �sked that if someone had�a 10 uni� apartment building and they wanted to se11 each unit off for $��000 each� would that qual3fy for moderate income housd.ng? � Ms. Hughes�stated it would. Ms. Schnabe7. stated that could add to the number oY ho�a ma�y we could provide. She stated that could change theix figures. Mr.. Harris stated that could hurt uso If those subsidized unit� are sold off as moderate income units' they would no longer be available as subsidized unitso Ms. Schnabel suggested. they pinpoin-t in the inventory where the Section 8 units are 3n the City. Mso Schnabel su�ested they either take out the 6th paragraph in this section of the Overview or they should rewrite ito If they rewrite it� they should maybe talk in terms of neighborhoods� 3.eo deteriorating neighborhoods receiving seed money' etc. N!�°. Deblon referred to Item �l under �the.Plan Direction of the Housing Secti�. The s�ta'tement in �he sixth p�ra�raph was no-� consistent �rith this statement and they wduld chan�e the state�ent in the six�h p�ragraph of the Overview, �6 PROVISION OF AL'1'ERNATNE FORI�S 0�' TRATVSIT; �` Ms. Iiu,,hes staiced tnat they had agreed to change the ti�le 'Lo "1^RANSPORTI�TION" a Also,, she felt i� was not clear where -�hey discussed considera.ng lateral move- men� or transit things. She wou].d like a clearer statement rega,rd,ing this. /"1 t•7r. Ii�rris referred to the discussion on �he t•ra].kway�bikezaay system. They should say something �ha � would ti.e in wi��. �he o�►eral]. metropolitan walkway�bikeway plan. 5ome�thing to the effect shou�,d be in�luded in the Overv3ew Section. MO'!'TON by Mso Hughes' seconded by A1r. Lan�en�eld� to continue the discussion of �he Caurorehensive DeveZopmen� Plan. UPON A VOICE VOT'E� ArI, VOTTIVG AYE, CHA�7AN HARRIS DECLARED TAE MOTION CARRIED UN�IVIMOLTSLY. 8. CONTINUED: PFOPOSID CIiANGES TO CHA.P'I�P, 205. ZOIVZNG: — ____�.. N�T��N by I�ir, Oquist� seccnded by Mro Lan�enfeld�' �o con;;inue the discussion on -�he proposed char�es to �he zoning codeo UPON A VOICE VOTE, A'�L �'OTING �#XE9 CH�iIRi�A.I�' HARI'IS DEC?,ARED TF� NIOTIOPI CARR�D UNAN'71�IOU5LY. �r PLA�TING COt�4�ISSION N�ETING, �Y �1z,1979 ' - _ _ P�sG� 1� � - _ ��4 �= ,_-. 9. o�� �v�szrr�ss: � ,�,�, Nir. Deblon dist�ibutea a memo from I�. Qureshi re�ardin� the Central Center = �� �or Family Resources. � M(}TION by Mro Lan�enfeld' seconded by N��. Scl�nabel� 1;o receive �he memo from Mr, �,i�reshi re�ardir� the Central Center for Fami�y Resources. UPOIrT A VOICE VQ�'E� ALL VOTIPdG AYE' CHAII�?A1�V HARRIS DECLE�RED THE MOTION CARRIED � UNAi1SM0USL' Y . � Mra Harris reques�ed this item be �laced on the next �genda. Mr. Ilarris stated that he had a'ttended �the meeting regarding the alley vacation request in I�de Park. The result oi the mee�ing ��ras 'chat the Ciicy would help to solve the problem by providing �the ].abor and atteraat to get some railroad �ies from the :ailrnad and put t:�e ties up as a b�rrier in �the alley. �'hey ��.]1;ed to -�he apa�'tment owner and the neighbo��s involved and hopefully they pro, ote�. pae.ce and harmo�y in �he �eighborhocd. He �ras not suz�e they sti.11 s�.ovldn4 t aacate the a11ey� l�ut r�s o Ga�el �.id no�L vran't the vaca�tion. He YIOLIl.a. l.ik� �to see •the City get xid o�' a.11 unused edsrments� etca aild su;gested they co�a1�3• perhaFs take an inventory of all un�.ased easem�n'cs and get rid of �heme ADJOtT�?�V'Nf�T�T a NO`.I:'LCi? ry Mr o O�,uist,, seconded by P2.�° e LAngenfe].d} ico nd journ the July 11, 1�79' meetin� a� the T'1.annin�; Co�issiono UP011T �'i VO�CE VQ`1�' ALL VOTZi�TG � 1�YE� CHA�MA-N IiARRI.S DECLAF.EB THE 1�SEETII�IG ADJOL�i NED AT 11:�;L` P.A2o � R�::�ec•U�'t�11y �ubmit�ed: '`��R �� �� , .a��� '�� 'p� �.�f �� � �'s�.= �;� � �c�.. jarz����lto?�9 Recordi� Seeret�ry 0 .+��. �; „�.<:a