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PL 08/08/1979 - 30516� ,� �, CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMI�RISSION MEETING - AUGUST 8, 1979 CALL TO ORDERi Vice Chairwoman Schnabel called the August 8, 1979� meeting of the Planning Commission to order at 7�30 P.M. ROLI, CALL i Ntembers Presents Members absenti � N1s. Hughes, T�lr. Treuenfels, Ms. Schnabel� Mr. Hora (Mr. Hora left at 9s30 P.M.) Mr. Oquist, Mr. Harris (arrived at 7s35 P.M.) Mr. Zangenfeld (arrived at 9i30 P.M.) Others Presents Jerry Boardman, City Plann.er Bill Deblon, Associate Planner � Dean Saba, Energy Project Committee Giles AZcConville, �ergy Project Committee �.. APPROVE PLANIVING COP1�tRISSION MINUTES s JULY 2,� 1979: MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Poqr. Hora to approve the July 25, 1979, minutes o�' the Planning Cor.�mission. � Mr. Treuenfels stated that with the exception of page 1 of the minutes, his name was misspelled throughout the minutes. � P�is. Hughes re�'erred to page 6 of the minutes and stated that in her motion� the word "recommend" should be "refer". DIs. Hughes also stated that the 6th paragraph on page 10 which begins with "P�irr. Oquist sta�ed that ...", the la.s�t �wo lines should read as follows "through the County or State agencies". Ms. Hughes also s�ated that on page 13, the second paragraph, the word "vacationed" should be "vacated". A1sA on that page, in the 5th paragraph, the word "dupster" should be "dumpster". � UPON A�iOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE. VICE CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE P��INUTES APPRO�D AS CORRECTED. 2. � , FI�IDLEY to allow the �1- and I,o b6b D?ississi OF A REr�UE T:�D IY1ET'riODI urch to hav 22-2K, �loc Street N.F� care c ect tion I�ZOTION by Mso Hughes� seconded by Mre Treuerifels, to ogen the Public Hearing. UPON A VOTCE VOTE, ALL VOTING A1'E, VICE CHAIRG�IQMAN �SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC Ii�ARTNG OPEN AT 7 s 35 P•�7 • � , PLANNTNG COr�,2ISSI0N MEETING, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE 2 Nir. Boardman stated that the church was located'at the coxner of b7ississippi Street and Monroe Street. The church would like to operate a day care center in their building. Staff would have n� r problem with this request. Since the operation would include over � 10 children� they would require Sta�e and County approval and licensing. Mr. Alfred Rejman� 633 Bennett Drive, came iorward and stated that his house was right next door to the church. He was not in favor of the day care center because his wife works nights and has to sleep during the day and he felt the noise and car lights from the parents dropping off the children in the early morning would disturb his wife. Presently, they�have a problem with cars in the parking lot at night. The cars race through and make a lot of noise. He did not want to have to listen to it during the day too. Ms. Joan Finney came forward and stated that she had been hired as the teacher-director of the school. The school would be called the "Rainbow School and Child Care Center". The hours of operation would be from 6,3o A.M. to 6�00 P.114. She stated that they' would be putting in a fence from the corner of the church building back to the storage shed. This will keep the children behind the church building when they are playing outside. She did not think that the children would be outside playing before 9t00 A.P�t. She felt they would be outside approximately one hour in the morning and for a couple hours in the evening before �he children are picked up. She stated that as far as the lights of the cars in the morning, she had nothing to respond to that. In the winter� there would be cars with lights on coming into the parking lot� Mr. Harris asked what the ages of the children would be? l�s. Finney stated the children would be from 22 to 5 years of age. Mr. Harris asked if this waid be five days a week? Ms. Finney stated it would. She also stated they would be licensed for �b0 children and 30 of them would be day care children. The other 10 . children would be nursey schoo]. children and would not be there a11. day. 5o at times there would be a total of 40 children at one time. Ms. Hughes asked what the status of their application was? Ms. Finney stated that they were licensed through the Welfare Department and they had already been out and had looked through the facility and had given approval. The fire marshall has also given approval. Pltr. Harris asked where the children would be picked up and dropped off? Ms. Finney stated they would be picked up and dropped off behind the building in the parking lot with access off Bennett Drive. Ms. Hughes asked for a clearer explanation of where the fence wauld be. � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. AUGUST 8, 1979 � PAGE 3 Ms. Finney indicated to the Commissioners on t�e map where the fence would be. ��' Mr. Boardman showed the Conimissioners an aerial view of the area. Ms. Finney indic�ted on the aerial photograph where the fence would be. Mr. Harris suggested a fence around the play ground equipment for ' their o�rm gooci. r�7r. Rejman s�tated there was a driveway into the parking lot which runs right by his window. Mr. Harris asked if they couldn't stipulate that the driveway be closed during the week? Mr. Boardman stated that they could require the church to put a chain across it. l�r. Rejman stated that he did not see why a business should be allowed in a residential area. Ms. Finney stated it was a non-profit organization. Mr. Harris stated that we do allow churches and their accessory uses in a residential area. That has been our policy and he was sure they would continue with it. He further stated that if they close that driveway, it would help with the lights and cars and as far as the � noise of cars at night, bir. Rejman could call th� police if necessary. Mr. Rejman stated that it was his understanding that the church was supposed to put sor�e plantings in along his property line as a barrier between his yard and the parking lot. Mr. Harris asked if a landscaping plan was submitted �or the property wl�en the building plans were submitted? Mr. Boardman stated that the only provisions he recalled in the land- scaping plan were for plantings along Bennett Drive. That would have been with the recent addition. He was not sure about when the building was �'irst built ten years ago. The parking lot.was part of the original plan but he was not sure if it was to that extent. It may have been added on to at a later time when the new addition was added. It was paved when the new addition was built. Ms. 5chnabel asked if Staff had received comments from any other neighbors? Mr. Boardman stated that he was not aware of any. . � Mr. Rejman s-tated that if they would plant something along there it would help with the noise, lights and dust. � � PLANNING CONWIISSION P�IEETING. AUGUST 8.� 1979 - PAGE 4 Ms. Hughes noted that Mr. Rejman had a fence there and asked what kind of fence it was? �,,,1 Mr. Rejman stated it was a 32 foot cyclone fence. Nls. Schnabel noted that any shrub that would be planted would not have any leaves on in the winter anyway, and that's when he would have the problem of lights. Nir. Boardman also pointed out that it would take quite some time for the shrubs to provide any effective noise screening. Ms. 5chnabel asked if the day care center was sponsored by the church or by a private organization? Ms. Finny stated that it was sponsored by the�church.and run by members of the church. The children would not have to be the children of members but from the whole community. It would not be.restricted to children of inembers. Ms. Hughes asked who J. H. Roos was? He signed the petition. Ms. Finney stated that J. H. Roos was a member o� their child care board and also a member of their trustee commissian. He was not able to a.ttend this meeting. Mr. Treuenfels asked if the age restriction of 2a to 5 years was the ^ only restriction? Ms. Finney stated that was correct. They would not be teaching religion so there would be no restrictions as to religion, race, sex, etc. P�r. Rejman asked if Fridley had any other day care facilities? Mr. Harris stated they had the Learning Tree and other than that only small day care centers in homes. . MOTION ny bis. Iiughes, seconded by Pd[r. Treuenfels, to close the Public Hearing. UPON A VOICE,VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHA,IRNIAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.AT 8:10 P.M. � Ms. Hughes stated that she felt this was a valuable public service and wit:n more and more women going to work� it will be more and more needed. She liked the idea of a non-profit day care center and one that is with- in the community and run by people living in the community. Hopefully, they would have the interests of the City at heart in terms of their operations. They would not be likely to do things to antagonize the neighbors. � � . - r'1 . �.,�.:7 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 8..1979 - PAGE 5 P�sf Hughes also stated that they should have some stipulations, one of which would be to close the access near �he neighbors property. Also� � they should be asked to keep the parkirrg lot in good order. Chances are they don't sweep it often enough since the plantings in front are not taken care of very well. They may need to be asked to do that. Also, they should be asked to make sure they don't have the children's activities close to the neighbor's yard. They have a big enough area to avoid that. • � Ms. Schnabel agreed and stated that some consciousness-raising on the part of the church could be in order especially in regards to the � problems o� the neighbors. She felt the two of them could come to a satisfactory solution. She stated she ca�.ild understand the concerns of the neighbor in terms of working nights and slesping days and the church should be willing to close off that access. Mr. Hora agreed. Mr. Treuenfels also a�eed especially in light of the fact that Fridley does not have another day care center centrally located. PQr. Harris stated that he felt it was a good proposal with modifications� He suggested a security fence around the playground equipment for their awn benefit. That kind of equigment would be an attractive nusiance and the church would be liable. Also, something co�ld be done with signage for the egress off of Monroe Street indicating that pickup and drop off trafs"ic should use the access off P�tonroe Street only. Mr. Boardman stated that would be required anyway. Mr. Harris stated that it should be stipulatede He also recommended that �he church put some plantings and veg�tative screening along the neighbor's property line. He stated that they could possibl�r do this in a phase program with the fencing and driveway blockage being done this year and the vegetative screening being done in the Spring. A'IOTION by Ms. Schnabel� secondea by Mr. Treuenfels, to re��mmend to Council approval of the request for Special Use Permit 5P �#79-09, Fridley United Pfethodist Churchs Per Sec�tion 205.051, 3� F, to allow the church to have a day care center� lacated on Lots 1-3 and Lots 22- 25, Block 2, Christie°s Addition, the same being 666 Mississippi 5treet N.Fs.� with the follov�ing stipulationss 1) the driveway access to Bennett S�Creet be chained off during the week beginning with -the'first day of business= 2) proper fence of playground �'acilities by the first day of business; 3) the church plants a vegetative barrier•between their property and the properties located west of the church to be completed in the Spring of 1980. The plantings will be approved by Staff. Ms. Finney stated that in regards to the second stipulation, the church Board�had discussed that and felt that the fence would be more attractive to children. ,—� It2r. Harris stated -that by fencing it they were at least taking action to prevent someone from using it. If no action were taken, they could be liable. . D7s. Finney asked how high the fence wc�uld have to be? �7r. Boardman stated that a� foot fence would b� adequate. PLANNING COPJIt�iISSION bgEF.TING� AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 6� UPON A VOICE VOTE�.AZZ VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE �IQTION CAItRIID UNANIT40USLY. � Mr. Harris informed the petitioner that the request had been recommmer...ed to Council for approval with stipulations and would go to Council on August 20, 1979� and suggested that all i�terested parties attend. 3. PUBLIC HEARING PERIvIIT � SP � 7� D to allow 27-30� B1ocY S the same being s CONSIDERAT -10, EXCALIBU the construc . Riverview H F A REQUEST FO' ES, II�C . : Per of two nevr d�ve r ;,�, C'.PR_� �n rview 'lerrace iv.�. c .. E Mr: Harris stated that this item was to be continued for two weeks at the request of the petitioner. . MOTION by P�Ts. Hughes� seconded by Mr. T�euenfels, to continue the , request for Special Use Permit 5P ,�79-10� for two weeks. UPON A VOICE VOTE� AI,L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN xARRIS DECLARID THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 4-. Njr. Boardman stated that page 23 of the �genda was a plot plan layouti"� The plot plan indicates a building to the west which is 23x32 and tha � building is not there. Vdhat they are planning on doing is splitting off 20 feet of this lot and adding it on to the house to the west. Mr. Board.man showed the Commissioners an aerial photograph of the area and explained the situation more clearly. He stated that he understood �hat any garage to be located on the property would be located to the rear of the house with access off Riverview Terrace. n7r. Boardman explained to the Commissioners wh�re the lot line would be. John & Gail Estling came forward and showed the Commissioners a copy of their survey which showed the lot line more clearly. Ms. Schnabel stated that it was her understanding that the main purpose of this split was to increase the size o� the lot. She asked if that was correct? Mr. Harris s-tated that was �orrect and it would also give them more parking which they need. Nir. Hax�ris asked Pdr. Boardman if 6 2 Way was a dedicated street? Mr. Boardman stated that he was not sure and that it didn•t look like it. He stated that they couldn't get a snowplow in there if they wanted to. I�Irre Harris suggested they look into that and if it is not vacated, we^ should do it. Mr. Boardman agreed and stated he would look into it. _ . ,, �„�,,,�,.. � PLANNING COMIvIISSION P�T�ETII�G, AUGUST 8�. 1979 - PAGE 7 There were no comraents from the audience regarding this item. ��`-� taI0TI0Pd by P,�s. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to recommend to Council approval of the request for a Lot Split� L.S. �79-03, by John and Gail Estling� to split aff the Westerly 20 feet of Lot 1� Block 1� Veit's Addition (64�40 Riverview Terrace N,E.) and add it to Lot 2� Block 2, Veit's Addition (64�38 Riverview Terrace 1V.E.), with the following stipulation: the 6 foot utility easement to the north of the property line will be retained by the City. T►2r. Harris stated that it appeared that�the lot would be in excess of 9,000 square feet after the split. D�r. Boardman stated that was correct and there was no problem there. Both lots would be in excess of g,000 square feet. UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI,L VOTING AYE, CH�4IRI�ZAN HARRIS DECLARED THE 1'�10TION CARRIED UNANIP�OUSLY. Mr. Harris informed the petitioner that they had recommended approval to Council and this would appear before Council on August 20: 1979• He suggested all interested parties attend. 5• ��i � 0 TJIr. Boardman recoramended they ask the Community Development Commission � to handle the considera�cion of the status of unused alleys and also that they hold SAV �79-03• t�trr. Harris agreed. MOTIOTI by T�s. Schnabel, seconcled by 114r. Treuenfels, to send the consider- ation of the status of unused alleys in �ridley to the Community Develop- ment Commissian for their study and request that the Commission report their findings back to the Planning Commission. Ms. Sch:Zabel stated that the .�or,imunity Development Commissic��, should have the direction and guidance of Staff in studying this. Mr. Boardman agreed. . UPON A VOICE VOTE� AZI, VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UP1l�NIP�20USI,Y. . � MO�TION_ by PJis. Schnabel� seconded by fl�2r. Treuenfels, to continue SAV request #79-03 ior future consideration. UPON A VOIGE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIR1ll7AN iiARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANII�IOUSLY. � PLANNING COT�[ISSION MEETING. AUGUST 8. 1979 - PAGE 8 6. CONTINUEDi PUBZIC HEARING ON COr�IPREHENSIVE PL�,N� PARKS� ^ MOTION by�Ms. Hughes� seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to approve the goals� g o�jectives and policies as amended by the Parks & Recreation Commission. -� Ms. Hu hes stated that one of the things they added was an objective on � g water and there was more emphasis than originally on natural areas and i environmental education within the realm of parks and recreation. She � stated those were the major differences. Also� there were a lot of word changes. � Mr. Harris stated that he didn't get the feeling if they �elt the amount of park acreage was adequate. Ms. Hughes stated that they would like to examine that in light of � whether or not the Plan is going t� be adopted with the additi;onal 2300 units. She stated they were going to look at all the parks to � see if they should be designated as parks. The 5hore is in the pro- � cess of being acquired between the County and the City. On an acreage : basis, the charices are pretty good� even at our fullest potential for : population� that we will have enough acreage on that rule of thumb. � Whether they are all located correctly is another question and whether � or not they fit the classifications and the neighborhoods usage is another question. In the implementativn of the parks and open space -plan, they expect to be going through and reclassifying where necessary to change uses� having new parks and trying to make it a more usable,� � system. � i Ms. Hughes went on to say that thE only place she could remember where they addressed the question of adequate acreage was in the Goal. She had recommended they say in the Goal that they want an adequate park system. She stated that she had originally asked the Park Commission to add a statement on need oi' a cettain number of acreas per population or something along that line. Because of the reclassification,program, they did not come up with that statement. She stated that they decided not to add in a statement saying that they want to meet the national ; standards mainly because we have a fair amount of County space in here e that we don't count in our park system. Mr. Harris asked if they had considered the additional 2300 units in �� their deliberations? He didn't get a feeling for that. It'Iso Hughes stated that in s�me of the discussions in the Planning , Commission that had come out and she did take that back to the Parks E �and Recreation Commission and told them the things the Planning Commission 4 was doing that she fel� would impact on the actions of the Parks Commissi�r.� There were several things she felt should be considered and the increase i in housing was one of them. The things she suggested they look at were � the housing and population increases, the changes in age classification � of people living here and the redevelopment area in the Center City. That redevelopment area has had significant impacts on us. 1�1s, Hughe� stated that the thing she found 'clifficul� in the Plan was that they really haven't gone a step �urther and said what our implementation � plan would be. - . _ _ _ _____ . ,._.� PI,ANTdING COMP�IISSION �EETING, AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 9^ Mre Boardman sta�ted that when we look at this and set up the classifi- ,,,� cation system we are setting it up on acreage. 2n other words, we are saying what regional parks should be, what community parks should be, etc. This is an attempt to try to maintain a park system that will fall within that goal. in other words, if we want to adopt a park sys-�em that will meet these standards then we will probably have to look at " increasing areas when and where possible. The main thing we do is allocate by neighborhood. in our Park �Iap. In the I�Zap we show those parks that should be classified as neighborhood parks, although they may be small in some areas based on national standards for park facilities. But they are all we have and fit the function of a neighborhood park. So our park system shows them as neighborhood parks, and when and where possible if land becomes available, they should be expanded -to service neighborhood park facilities or service neighborhood park funetions. However they would still have to function as neighborhood park facilities. This is the reason we classify some parks as neighborhood parks and some as mini parks or service parks. Mr. Harris stated that he was looking for a statement in the Park Plan to the effect that if the City went into any major rezoning project for housing that adequate Park space would be acquired in that rezoning to service that neighborhood. Nir. Boardman stated that would be covered under Objective 1, Policy 3. Ms. Schnabel stated that Policy 3-C states they should release excess � property, but it doesn°t address the reverse. Mr. Boardman referred to Policy 3-B and stated that should cover it. The words "and to the City as a whole" would be added to that Policy. Mr. Harris stated that he wanted emphasis that the City will acquire park land if we develop 2300 more units. Ms. Hughes stated that Objective 1 and the Goal address that and take it into considerationo She state� there was commitment zn the Park Commission to fo11o�N through on the Goal and Objective. She stated that the Center City is a good example. It is designated as a redevelop- ment area and now is when we should be looking at the things we will have to put in there, 1�Zs. Schnabel asked TtIs. Hughes if she felt the Park Commission and Park Department had enough clout to get the park land they feel is needed. T�s. Hughes stated that she coul.dn't answ�r that question. PJir. Boardman stated that �he clout was with Council. Ms. Hughes stated that the Parks De�artment works hard and wants an A-1 park system. � PLANNING CObIP�1ISSI0N MEETING. AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE IO Ms. Hughes suggested they add a"D" to Policy 3 which would read as followsi ".The City should acquire adequate park acreage in redeveloF�, and new residential areas." . The Couimissioners concurred. . Mr. Boardman stated that then we should look at our platting policy. Tdr. Harris agreed. lVir. Boardman stated that it could also be a condition of zoning. Mr� Harris agreed. Mr. Boardman referred to Policy 3-C and stated that the excess property they have looked at eliminating was the Cherry Lane Park behind Target and the Jubilee Park in that same area. They feel that Cak iiill Park will adeguately service that area. Another one that they were looking at was the Riversedge Way. The access is between two houses and doesn't make much sense. Ms. Hughes stated that she did not want Planning to look at that until the Parks Commission had a chance to look at it. Mr. Treuenfels referred to Objective 3, Policy 6 and asked what the 'Parks and Recreation Commission had in mind with respect to cultural development? - � Ms. Hughes stated that was amended to include "cultural dsvelopment, arts, historical preservation and special activities where possible". This would include such things as paintin� classes, etc., which would provide a wide range of activities and not just for children. Mr. Treuenfels asked i� there had been any cross-talks with the Fine Arts? Ms. Hughes stated they had not �one that ye�. She was hoping they would get into that because they were interested in solitude and quietude with the parkso She stated that was included in Objective 3 which they had amended to includes "physical, social, emotional and educational needs". __.._.__ Mr. Deblon stated_that -they had recommended that be added as Policy 8. Ms. Hughes concurred. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHASRI'lfAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE GOALS � OBJECTIVES AND POlICIES AS A1�ZENDED CARRIED UTIANIP+IOUSL` ENITIRONT�ENTAL RESOURCES : N:OTIOTd by Pdr. I,angenfeld, seconded by D2s. Hughes� to approve the � Environmental Resources section as amended by the Ehvironmental Quali � Commission in the minutes of their Special Neeting and also according to the recommendations in the draft amendmento PLANPdIP1G COr:1P�ISSION MEETING, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE �1 Mr. iiarris stated that he had a question on the Introduction. ,� T�Ir. Deblon stated that the Introduction would be rewritten. Nlr. Harris asked if they had changed the Plan Direction? Mr. Boardman stated they had changed the wording only to� "Intentions . are such to develop a plan for conscientious management of the environment� that will enhance and pratect natural resources from development that may potentially generate adverse effects." Mr. Boardman also stated that the Introduction would be rewritten with the exception of �he last paragraph. In that paragraph, the words "civilized" will be changed to "ecological" and "conquer" will be changed to "exploit". The listing following the Plan Direction will remain as is. Mr. Harris asked if Objective 1, Policy 2 had been changed? Ms. Hughes stated that her notes indica-ted that Objective,l, Policy 2 would be changed to reade "The City should adopt regulations to control the amount and quali-�y of urban runoff." Policy 2-A would remain the same but a Policy 2-E would be added as followsf "The City should limit development in areas which create urban runoff." Mr. Langen£eld stated �hat her suggested for Policy 2-B was somethzng to be concerned about. ^ 1VIr. Harris agreed but asked for a definition of urban runoff. Mr. Boardman stated that was a term used by It�etro Council. Urban runoff is in a developed or developing suburb as opposed to rural runoff. Urban runo�'f is af-�er development. t�s. Hughes stated that Policy 2-A dealt only with Rice Creek Watershed and she felt that they should say something for -the rest of the City. 1�7r. Boardman stated that Policy 2 would take care of that. Policy 2-A was stating that they should work �vith Rice Creek Watershed and � neighboring communities to control runoff. Rice Creek was mentioned because it is the only 6aa�ershed District they have to work wi-th. Ms. Schnabel referred to Policy 5-A and asked what they meant by "sensitive areas". Mr. Boardman stated that referred to environmentally sensitive areas such as those listed a�'ter the Pla n Direction. Mr. Harris referred to Policy 3 under Objective 1 and asked if they were referring to the recharge areas fbr the City wells? 1�7r. Boardman stated that was not necessarily what they were talking about. � They �vere talking abou� wetland areas that provide potential not only .to our area but to other areas tha t u%ilize wells. --- . _ ,.��,., PI,ANNING COP�'�nISSION P+TEETING. AUGUST 8, - 1979 PAGE 12 Mr. Harris questioned that because our recharge areas are outside the City and it didn't souncl like this covered that. � /'`�, PJls. Hughes suggested they make the word "supply" plural. and change i-L to "supplies". � The Commissioners �oncurred. �Ir. Deblon noted that there would be a sub-policy under Policy 3 which would read as followsi "The City should comply completely with the Public '�daters Act, Pdinnesota Statu'te 105.�1 and 105.42. That would be Policy 3-A. - . The Commissioners concurred. Mr. Deblon stated that in Policy 4, the word "promote" should be changed to "enforce". Also there would be a sub-policy �-A: "The City should implement these standards through adequate planning, moni�toring, and enforcement." Mr. Harris asked who would enforce it? T�'Irr. Boardman stated that the Environmental Quality Commission was told that enforcement would require additional man-power. The Commission felt tha�C it would have to be an executive decision to add man-power. Mr. Boardman stated that he agreed with the term "enforce", TJls. Hughes noted that the word "shovld" was in there and also that ,� the burden of decision would be on the Council. 5he felt it should be enforced. . � Mr. Boardman stated that he felt it would be a matter of prioritieso The whole Plan will be based on spending priorities. 1�Zs. 5chnabel referred to Policy 9-A. She understood they were going to add Spring Brook and asked if they wanted to specifically designate those two bodies of water? Mr. Boardman stated that those were the only twa bodies of water that the City was monitoring at this time. It does say "continue". Mr. Harris asked abou-� the other bodies such as Locke I,ake, Rice Creek, etc. Why was T�Ioore Lake and Spring Brook receiving special attention? 1:2r. Boardman stated that the sub-policies only bring�out special emphasis and were not the only areas �hey would be loolcing at. The main thing is the Policy which would cover any body of water that required monitorin�a The reason P.loore Lake is being monitored right no�v is because of the swimming allo�ved there. Spring Brooli is being monitored because of the sensitive nature of North Park. Ms. Schnabel stated that it looked like those bodies were receiving special attention. � f'� .� SSION 1�EET�NG. AUGUST 8. 1 - PA GE l�r. Boardman s-�ated that the River was being monitored by the State ,�� and Rice Creek was bein monitored by Rice Creek Watershed. The pro- blem with Locke Lake is that it is being filled in with sand. It is not a problem of monito ing. /� Mr. Langenfeld asked ho they would know if Locke Lake was being polluted without monito�ing? Mr. Boardman sta-ted a ldt of times the pollution was visual. Also, it is a matter of prioriti�s. Mr. Harris stated that l�e would concur with the Commission if they wanted to go along withlit� but he was not very happy with it. i�[s. Schnabel stated tha� somebody has to live with this. Pdlr. Langenfeld stated t�.at the statement was not restrietive. Mr. Harris referred to (�bjective 4� Policy 2. He felt they should ha�ve a stronger statement th�re. rr�r. Deblon stated that �t was changed to "oppose". The Commissioners concu�red. Mr. Treuenfels referredlto Objective �, Policy 3-� and recommended the ��ord "should" be change�. to "will" . Mr. Boardman sta-ted tha all the statements should be cansistent with the use of the word "sh uld" or "will". P�Zs. Hughes stated that �'olicy 3 had been changed to "�romote and support". 1�Rr. Harris referred to olicy 3-A and asked why it should be limited to residents. He sugge ted the words "and business" be.added after the word "residents". • The Commissioners concu�red. The Commissioners also agreed to delete the v��ord "assist" and i sert the words "resource recycling, composting, and source reduction". I UPON A�OICE VOTE, AZL NOTING AYE� CHAIRI��AI� HARRIS DECI�iRED THE �ZOTION CARRIED UN,ANIIti70USLY. I . Chairman Harris declared a recess at 10e05 P.P�. and reconvened the meeting at 10:20 P.P�I. ; CRITICAL AR�AS: I��r. �oardman stated thalt the Environmental Quality Commission and the Farks and Recreation Co ission reviewed this section and had recommended '�'` limited changes. He wo ld like to see those changes approved. 0 PLANNING COPJII�ZISSION P�lEETING. AUGUST 8, - 1979 PAGE 14 T�Tr. Treuenfels referred to Objective l, Policy 1-D and asked how that related to the River area? _ /" Mr. Deblon stated that they would develop river appreciation programs� etc. Mr. Harris referred to Policy 1-F and asked why that was included? . Mr. Boardman stated that it was allowed south of 6g4. Mr. Harris stated that it should be a clearer statement to that effect. Mr. Boardman suggested they insert the words "where allowed" after the word "location" in Policy 1. The Commissioners agreed. Nlr. Harris referred to Policy 1-G and asked if that referred to a barge terminal? � Mr. Boardman stated that they meant something like a marina, or something commercial that relates to the river. He stated that there was a state- ment later on regarding barge terminals. He stated that he would have no problem wi-th eliminating Policy 1-F and Policy 1-G. The Commissioners agreed. Policy 1-F and 1-G would be deleted. IJIr. Harris referred to Objective 2 and stated that he had a proble� ,�"1 with what it didn•t say. He would be opposed to the City acquiring any land that is now developed for residential use along the river. It doesn't say they are going to do that but doesn't say they aren't either. Policy 1-A bothered him. Mr. Boardman stated that it stated "where possible". Ms. Hughes stated that she didn't see any problem with acauiring R-1 property if it was available and if it can be brought. � Mr.Harris stated he was concerned about the other alternatives. He was concerned about condemriation. Mr. Boardman stated that was possible but not always feasible. 1�1r. Harris stated that he wanted to officially register his opposition to the City acquiring any R-1 developed property alo�g the river. Ptls. Hughes stated that it should also be on the record that t,7r. Harris lives�there. I�2r. Harris stated that it should also be on the record that the P•Zayore the City I�lanager� and the City Clerk also live there. Mr. Boardman noted �hat they were not protesting this. �, Nir. Deblon su�gested they delete the word "possible" in Policy 1-A and insert the word "available". Mr. Harris agreed. � 0 ; "� ^ � NIJING COPfP�7ISS � Ms. Hughes stated that �he did not think they were looking at condem- nation in the foreseeabl�e fu�ture but did not want to close the door either. Mr. Harris st�ted that a�ll the land along residential and multipl� and there was no The access is limited. l�ir. Langenfeld stated �t at he sees a trend and the common people h ve to step aside. P�r. Harris agreed. the river was zoned for vacant land for access. where government steps in Ms. Hu�;hes stated that 't was a question of how �rou define "public good", In some cases "public g od" outweighs property rights. She did not feel anybody was goin�; overb ard in this communit�. . Mr. Harris agreed to le ve the statement as it stands but did want his opposition to condemnat'on recorded. Pds. Schnabel referred td the FMC property mentioned in Policy 1-B. Mr. Eoardman stated th.at$ was undeveloped proper-ty and when it was developed, they were loqking at access along the river. He also stated that the Riverview Heigh�ts Park is in the flood plain and they were looking at acquzring th�t for access into the river. � I�s, Sch:�abel stated tha� the difference was that the Park was alread City Property but �'i'�IC w�s not. It is not consistent with i:he sta�eanent in Policy 1 which refers ta publicly owned.lands. P�ir. }3oardman agreed tha� was a good point. He recorrunended they delete the reference to FMC pro�perty. The Gommissioners concurred. Mr. Treuenfels stated th�lat he would like the FivTC property incorporated in a policy someplace ir� here. P�s. Hughes recommended t�hey add it as another policy or malte it Policy 2. I�4r. Boardman suggested 'hey word it as followss "The City should identify and acquire and develop o�her available lands for river access." Mr. Harris sta�ed that v�as not consis�ent with the Housing 1?olicy. 1�2r. Boardman stated that�it didn°t mean they had to acquire the whole property, just a portio�lfor access. Mr. Harris stated tha-t hle h�d no objection to the FTYZC proFerty. P��r. Treuenfels asked whal�% constitu�es "available" land? P�Ir. Boardman stated thatlmeant land for sale or land with a willing seller. i PLANTdIP�dG COP�II,IISSIOTJ Ty1EETTTIG � AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 16 ' Mr. Harris referred to Policy l-G. I�ir. Boardman stated that they changed "encourage" to"allow". . � Mr. Harris stated that he had reservations about tree cutting on the river banks. kIe was concerned about erosion. Mr. Boardman stated that this was restricted to pruning, not clear cutting. PJis. 5chnabel noted that Objective 2, Policy 2-B prohibited barge fleeting areas. NfOTIOTJ by Ms. Hughes, seconded by P+Tr. Treuenfels� to approve as amended� the section on Critical Areas in the Comprehensive Plan. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOT.IQN CARRIED UNANIT�OUSLY. . Pi0TI0N by T�Zs. 5chnabel, seconded by PQr. I,angenfeld� to continue the discussion on the Comprehensive Plan. . UPON A VOICE VOT�� ALZ VOTING AYE, CHAIRTJlAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANINIOUSLY. 7. CONTINITED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CH�PTER 205 ZONING: . �, MOTION by 1�7s. Schnabel, seconded by NIr. Langenfeld, to continue the discussion on Chapter 205 Zoning. UPOTd A VOIC� VOTE, ALI, VOTING AYE, CN�IRIyIAN HARRIS DECLARED THE P�IDTION CARR2ED UNANIT,ZOUSLY. 8. RECEIVE �NVIRONM�NTAZ �UAT,ITY COrlII'.1iSSI0�1 AZINUT�'D t JULY 17 , 1979 � T�ZOTTOI�T by P+Ir. Langen�eld, seconden by I�Ir. Treuenfels, to receive the Environmental Quality Commissior; minutes4 T�Zse Hughes regerred to page 3, second to thP last paragraph, regarding the statement by P�Zr. Deblon about the Spring Brook crossing. 5he asked if that was �vhat he meant? 1VIr, Deblon stated that referred to a crossing in Blaine. Mra Langenfeld stated that at the end of the minutes, it was noted that they had an audience not only from Fridley but also from other communities regarding the impact statement regarding Trunk Highway 10. We indicated to them that we were not fully aware as to what was taking place. They invited -them to come again when more information has been acquired. �, �-.,�� orrrn�zss T 8. 1 G 1' Mr. Deblon stated tha-t h�le had written a letter to the District 5 Project Manager and requ�ested a co�y of the EIS for the Commissidn, ��, a copy of the final EIS�� which will be ava�lable at the end of the year� and also� a copy olf statements made at public hearings. He understood that a d.ecisi�on will be made within six weeks. . I,7r. Langenfeld referred to page 7 of the minutes regarding their mo�ion to become a member of t e North TvTanagement Cornmittee. P�1r. Harris asked for wha�t reason we would want to become a membe�? Highway 10 does not runithrough the City of Fridley. . Mr. Deblon stated that t$he Pdanagement Committee was not for Higiiway 1Q. They consider them two �eparate projects. One can be developed without -�he other. They could Y�ave the crosstown without the relocated High�vay 10, and vice versa. . T�Ir. Langenfeld stated t at the reason they wanted to be a member was to stay on top of the s'tuation and to be informed of all meetings. He felt that a proper r�presentative of Fridley should be at the meetings. Mr. Deblon stated that t�he crosstown river crossing will effect us. directly to some extent.l UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALZ OTIPdG AYE, CHAIRM�iN HARRTS DECI,ARED THE M[OTION TO RECEIVE THE� PnII`N�ES �ARRIED UNATdII�IOUSLY. �' �OTIOnr b P.Ir. � �_ Y T.angenfel , seconded by �.Zs.' Hughes, that -the Planning Commissi� adhere to the i;nvironmental Quality Commission motion to recommend to Council th � the City of Fridley become a member of the North T,Ianagement Commit ee. �ir. Boardman stated tha all we could do was to request that the City become a member. He wa� not sure that we could be a member just be- cause we want to be. TY�e Committee is made up of city personal from the various communitieslinvolved. ��ie could attend the management meetings and the public meetings are open, but we would not have the voice of a member. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL �'OTING AYE� CHAIRP�IAN HARRIS DECLARED TH� 1VIOTION CARRIED UNANINTOUSLY. Ms. Hughes noted that tY}ere was another motion on page 7 regarding a puUlic hearing on the Nqrthtown Corridor. PZr. Harris stated that Y�e felt this was premature. PrI0TI0N by P,7r. Langenfel � Commission recommend th -t . � I seconded by Tdlr. Treuenfels, that the Planning a hearing be called on the IVorthicown Corrido�. . . . � . _ , � PLANNING COP�I�.ZISSION N;EETII`1G, AUGUST 8� 1979 - PAGE 18 " MOTION by I�Is. Hughes, seconded by R4r. Treuenfels, to table the motion by P�Ir. Langenfeld to call a public hearing on the Northtown Corridor. ,� UPON A VOICE VOTE, AZL VOTII�G AYE� CHAIRI'dAN HARRIS DECLARED THE,P�TOTI�._. CARRIED UNAT�IIT�ZOUSLY. 9. RECEIVE SPECIAL ETNIROP�T�IENTAL QUALITY COP:�III+IISSION MINUTES: :. i MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the July 23, 1979 Special �Yivirorunental Quality minutes. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALI, VOTING AYE, CHAIRr�IAN HARRI5 DECLARED THE PJIOTION CARRIED UNANIT�iOUSLY. 10. RECEIVE ENERGY PROJECT COT�I�.�ITTEE P,2iIdUTES: JUI,Y 24. 1,�79 e &IOTION by D�r. Langenfeld, seconded by T:s. 5chnabel, to receive the July 2�, 1979 mir_vtes of the Energy Project Committee. r�fr.. Langen�'eld int�oduced Tvir. Dean Saba and PrIr. Giles NicConville and stated �hat he felt that they had done an excellent job on the . Energy ' Proj ect Cammitte . D'Is. Schnabel referred to page 4� of the minutes regarding the Committee continuing. It was indicated that the members were willing to continue to serve and she felt it was worthwhile for the Council to consider i;hat. . i"� Mr. I,angenfeld stated that the Committee had indicated that they would like the title of a full fledged Commission rather than a Committee. Mr. Harris stated that he would like to think about that. Mr. Boardman stated that making it a commission would involve a staff person and ogfered alternatives as to how it could be handled. They could trans�er that �'unction from one area to another. For example, the Community Development is an active commission and they caLtd look at this as a role of that commission. P�Ir. Harris suggested they think about it and put it back on the agenda for futher discussion. 1'dr. Langenfeld stated that the members would like to remain in tact. UPON A VOICL VOTE, AI,L VOTING AYE, CHAIR�ZAN H.ARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED. I�20TIO1V by T•�Ir. Lan�enfeld, seconded by 1�Zr. Treuenfels, to receive the Energy Project Committee Report. � COn1��IISSION MEET�NG, AUGUST 8. � 1979 - PAGE 1� . PJ[r. Lan�enfeld stated th t at the establishment of the Committee, 1� certain goals and object ves were set for them to address. One of the end results was the hart. The scope indicates that everything has been addressed. Mr. Harris stated that t�e Committee had done an excellent job. ° Mr. Langenfeld referred �to the last sentence in the Scope which states it is NOT the intent of �this Policy to formulate precise procedures or to categorize specific a�tions based upon the availability of fue�s� . used. In other words, they weren't going to come up with a cure for all energy problems. � . b'lrr. Harris stated that hje thought they had done what they were asked to do and he was pleasedlwith the results. Ms. Schnabel referred to the term "district heating" under Residential Conservation, and asked what that meant? � PJIr. I,angenfeld stated thjat a simple explanation would be using one boiler to heat more than one building. l�ir. Saba stated that a�ocal power plant could also be used in residen- tial areas. He stated t�hat 66j of the energy that the Riverside Povaer Plant burns to makle electricty goes up in air. That is energy in �he form of heat. It� they could capture that heat and use it, it would be quite a savings. It would be a more efficien-t use of water � heat. . _ . Mr. McConville stated t�at the Gity of 5t. Paul was already using that system in some building downtovrm. It2s. Hughes stated that c�ensity was usually a prerequisite to doing that effectively. . Ms. Schnabel also state� that she had noted that under res�dential, there was no specific referenc{e to solar heat. She asked if that was deliberateo I�Zr. PdcConville stated tl�at was because solar hea�, at this point, is . not practical. P:�s. Schnabel stated tha� she had noted that under Transportation they had listed electric car$ first. She asked if this list was according to priorities? I . Mr. Saba stated that th�.s was a list of things they might want to loak at and they might add tq the list. It was n.o�; their in�tention to list them in order of priori�y ar importance. 1�7s. Schnabel stated -�ha� she would be more com�ortable if they moved it to the bottom of the li�t. '"'� Mr. Treuenfels stated t at he would like to take issue with that and he felt it should remain a� the top. 1�Zr. Saba reiterated tha� the list was not according to priorities. I C PLANNIPJG COP�Il'�1ISSIOTJ PriEETII`iG, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE 20 Mr. Boardman referred to the Transportation section and asked if they didn't mean local level rather than state level. ' � Mr. Saba stated that was correct. TJis. Hughes referred to D-Information Resources, and suggested they ' look at other things such as the Housing Resource Center or the new Nature Center. Mr. Saba agreed. Ms. Hughes also stated that under Transportation they should also be looking at alternatives to new road construction. Mr. Saba stated that they had included bikeway and walking path improvement to make it more practical to use the bicycle or to walk. Mr. McConville stated that they should start looking at bikes as transportation rath�r than just recreation. Nir. 5aba stated that they should look at road construction at some paint in -�ime. UPON A VOICE VOT�, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRI5 DECI,ARED THE MOTION CARRTED UNANIP�IOUSLY. ��OTION by I��r. Treuenfels � seconded by P,Zs . Hughes � to continue the � discussion on the energy report. . UP4N A VOICE VOTE, ALI, VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIP�ZOUSZY. 11. REC�TV� APPEALS COr'�:iISSION T�ITNTES: JULY 2�, 1979: r�fOTION by T�1s. Schnabel, seconded by T�2r. Treuenfels, to receive the July 2�, 1979. �inutes of the ApF°als Commission. P�r. �Iarris asked about the request in �he flood plain. AZs. Schnabel stated that it had been continued at the request of the.getitioner. � UPON A VOICE VQ`T�, ALI, VOTIPIG AYE� CHAIRP+ZAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIP�ZOUSLY. 12. CONTINUFD� DISCUSSION ON CONVERSION OF RENTA TnmTZrTntTn7. n!�i^��R�HT� PROPLRTY � Ms. Schnabel stated that no action was required here because it had been sent to the Community Development Commission for study. _ � 0 PLANriING COP,Iri'IIS5IOPd PIiEETIPdG, AUGUST 8." 1979 - PAGE 21 OTH :R s �' Mr.Harris requested that the minutes from the Special NTeeting of ✓ the Planning Commission on August 1, 1979, be placed on the agenda for the a�proval at the next meeting. �"'� i"1 Mr. Deblon stated that he had talked with the Alderman and their Housing Authority had approved the revised ordinance and their'attorne.y felt it was constitutional with the exception of some of the stipulatior�s. MOTION by PQs. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to adjourn the Au�;ust 8� 1979� meeting of the Planning Commission. UPOIV A�lOIC� VOTE, ALL �'OTING AYE, CHA IRP�;AN HARRIS DECI,ARED THE 1�1EETING ADJOURN�D AT 12:00 P.I�Q. Respectfully submit�ed: !���i ��0�� Ka�hy S�ielton, Recording Secretary 0