PL 11/07/1979 - 30522�, �
CITY OF FRIDLEY
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, • PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMP,ER 7, 1979
CALL TO ORDER•
Vice�chairperson Schnabel called the meeting of the November 7, 1979, Planning Commission
meeting to order at 7:37 P.M.
ROLL CALL•
Members Present: Mro Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Txeuenfels, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Hora,
Mr. Harris (arrived at 7:38 P.M.)
Members Absent: none ,
Others Presentt Jexry �oardman, City Planner, Bill Deblon, Assoc. City Planner
APPROVE PLATTN7:NG COMMISSION MLNUTES: OCTOBER 24. 1979:
MOTION by Mr. �reuen.fels, seconded by Mr. Oquist to apgrove the Planning Commission
mii�utes of October 24, 1979, as corrected.
M�. Hugfies asked to have the word staff added in the fif�.h paragraph, page 14,
��. . . certain staff inembers . . .
Mr. Harris noted the time the meeting stated and Y�is arrival time should be 7:32 P.M.
and 7:35 PoM. xespec�ively.
UpON A VOICE VOTE, AZL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSdN SCHNAPEL DECLAIiED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNL�NIMOUSLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT P.S. ��79-02, INNSBRUCK VILLAGES
THIRD ADDITION, BY DARREL A. FARR DEVELOPi�1ENT CORP'ORATION: Being a replat of
Lots 1-4, Block 8, Tnnsbruck Villages Inclusive; and 4 parts of Lot 1, Block
lZ,..�:he same being 5620, 5622, 5624 and 5626 West Bavarian Pass N,E.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, secondecl by Mra Treuenf�ls, to open the public hearing.
t3PON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CH,AIRAiAI�T H1iRRIS DECI�ARED THE MOTIOIV CAItRIFD
UNANIMOUSLY, PUBLIC HEARING OPENED AT c; :40 P.D1.
Mr. Boardman explained the building located on the plat had Ueen built sitting on.the
;.lots crooked, due to an �nginee�ing mistake. The replat was necESSary to allow the
�ownership records to coincide with the building. The staff had no problems with the
replat.
Mr. Richard Cherrier (4206 Woocibine Lane, i�ipls., Mn 55424), stated he represented the
�rchitect firm [hat built thc� building. The £irm assu�7ed tlie total responsibility of
,r� the placement erAOr� The encroachm�:nt, as� tlie most, was approximr�tely 12 feet.
� Ai�r. Schnabel questianed the Fuint on GYi4 nartk�east �arner of the building. She thought
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this poinL- was also w er the lot line. She asked if the cement slabs for the garage
�,t`'�building were too close to the curb.
Mr. Cherri.cr said the lot line had a jag in it to accommodate the co�ner she questioned.
He also stuted the cement slabs met city code requirements as far as placement was
concerned.
MOTION by Mr. Oquest, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN H.AIt�IS DEI.CARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNAi�IIMOUSLXo PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 7:46 P.M.
Ms. Schnabel asked if there was any thing in the new or old zonin.g oscdinances that would
protect the city in instances like this. She was referring to the possibility of a. iine
levied against a developer if he places the building on the lot wrong.
Mr. Boardman said he was not aware of any such ordinance. Besides, he said a mistake
like �his was a common building mistake, and it would not be fair to fine someone for
a honest mistake.
Mr. Harris said that question could be discussed later.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Hora, to recommend to City Council approval of
L.S. ��79-02, Znnsbru.ck Villages Third Addition.
T�PON �.4 VOrCE VOTE, AZL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MQTTON CARRIED
�� t1NANZMOtTSLY.
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2. PUBLIC HEARING: FROPOSED PRELIMZNARY PL�,T, P.S. ��79-03, BLOMBERG ESTATES, BY
KARLA BLOMBERG: Eeing a repla� o� Lots 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and the West half of Lot
10; Lots 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20, all in Block 2, Spring Lake Park
Lakeside Addition, and LoLe 3, 4 and 5, Block 1, Andco Terrace, generally bound
by Osbonie Road on the North, 75th Avenue on the South, Arthur Street on�the
West, and Lakeside Road on the East.
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to open the public hearing. .
UPOIV A VOICE. VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN �I�iRitlS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
M�c. Boardman explained that this land was furmally owned by the Spring Lake Park School
District. In the Comprehensive Plan it was designated excess property and put up for
sale. The proposed plat has 42 lots. Road right-of-way was p�.cked up by the City on the
Andco Terrace Addition, which would help create the access on to Lakeside Road. Right-
of-way was also picked up Lots 23 and 22 when split. There was additional right-oi-way
picked up between 1559 and 1571 ?S;:h Avenue. The rest of the needed right�of-way will
be dedicated by the developer. The ?�akeside Road access runs between two lots that are
alre�dy built on. The city does hati�e road right-of-way between these two lots, but
placing the road here would he putting it 5 feet from the garage located a� 7520 Lalceside
Road. The homeowner, 7550 Lakeside, was considexing negotiations wi�h the developer to
allow a jog in the rnad. This jog would take some of that homeowner's sideyard, but he
� would be able to pt�rGhase or through developer's dedication acquire the land to the rear
_ o F his and create a larger backyard,
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Mr. Boardman said if the Planning Commission approves the xequest the staff would like
'��'to see the following stipulations;
le Any necessary fees x�equired be obtained before the final plat approval.
2. Necessary road right-of-way for accessbe �btained by the developer'a
3. Approval by the Rice Creek Watershed of the plat befo� final approval
by the City Councila
4. A sewer and water layout be approved by the City staff before final plat
approval.
5. Necessary drainage and utility easemants be ob�cained.
Mr. Harris questioned what fees would be necessary.
Mr. Soardman said there was a park fee, plus an �nvironmental development fee. The
latterhas been required on 2 previous lot splits. This fee w�.s to be used for neighbor-
hood impxovements, such as landscaping or possible storm sewer improvementso This was
presentl_y being developed by the City Manager's office and Mr. Boardman stated he has
had some discussior�s with Mxo Qureshi on what the full policy was, This was a naw
policy to him and he did not fully understand iit yet. ,
Mr. Harris demanded to know who started this fee. He said the Planning Commission
had not heard of this fee before and did not think Council had �iven appxoval of ita
He wanted to know if this was somethir.g staff started. He questioned what previous
lot splits had been x�quired to pay it, how much the fee was and where the money went
when collected. M�. Harris said if this was money for storm sewer improvement we should
cal l it tlzat .
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"`�Mxo Boardman siad it was not a storm sewer escrow, but a land development fee.
Mr. Harris said he was very upset about this and would get some answexs.
Ms. Hughes stated there was a difference between fees that are nec�ssary and those
that are desired. Park fees are necessary and the stipulation on faes should state
what fees are required.
Mr. Oquist added another way to state that would be fees that are authoxized (park fees)
and fees that axe unauthorized. This fee was unauthorized.
Mr. Boardman explained one use would be the correction of d�wns�ream storm sewer problems.
Some sort of action in the future to alleviate those problems will have to be taken and
possibly this was what the City Manger's office had in mincl,
Mr. Harris said t�e should get the Council and city attorney's opinion on this fee. He
wanted ro know how the city can charg� for something before the policy has been written
and authorizedo
Mr. Boardman went on to say the staff could see no development problems with the plat.
The only possible one would be access on to Lakeside Roade City ordinance requir�s the
developer to obtain access in and out of a new plat. •
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Ms. Schnabel asked for the aerial of Lhis neighUorhood and where the homes and garages
�WP.Yp_ lacated by the planned Lakeside Road access.
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� Ms. Ka.rla Blomberg, 1661 Cameloi Lane came forward. She said she was unaware of this
��$800000 per lot environmental development Fee until recently. She did not know how
the eity could arbitrarily decide on such a fee. Ms. Blomberg said she talked to the
City Manager on it and did not get any answe�es that could show the need for such a fee.
She said her ]a.wyer_ was checking in to it. Sha asked Mr. Harris to please check into
it also.
Ms. �Iughes asked if she would go along with the new road plan for the Lakeside Ro2ad
acc�ss.
Ms. Blomberg said she had not had time to negoi:iate, but thought the new plan would be
o kay. She felt the road should be moved because o£ safety (too close to a garage) and
looks. She also said the Rice Creek Watexshed Distzict was meeting on the 28th of this
month to discuss the plata She was told to�ra.it on any sewer and water plan until after
that meeting so any conditions or recommendations could be implemented in the plano
Mxo Harris said a final sewer and water plan would be ;°equi�ed before the plat was given
final app�oval.
Ms, Schnabel asked if she owns this land and would be developi.ng it.
Ms, Blomberg replied a contractor, her husband and herself own the land and would be
constructing cuSnm built homes.
ris. Hughes n.oted the lot widths varied from 75 to 90 feei and wondered why tihey had
�,., d onc th i s.
"Ms� �lomberg said the different lot widichs a11ow homeowners to choose a lo� �nd house
plan without having to woxry about getting variances. Some house plans require a wide�c
lot then otherso It also gives lass conformity to the neighborhood.
M�. Boardman said one change recammended by staff would be to switch the lot widths
of Lots 11 and 14, Block 3, witlz those of Lots 12 and 13, Block 3. This would make the
corner lots 85 feet wide instead of 80 feet and with the sideyaxd requirements, develo-
ping �he lots would be easiere �
Mr. Harris asked for audience discussion.
1Kr. Leo Heyne, 7550 Lakeside Road, said he was the owner of ti�e lot which the Lakeside
Road access would be by. Mra Heyne said he was unaware until after he bought his home
that his house �das pl�ced so he had no rear yard, only sideyard. He stated he would be
w illing to work out an agreemer�t where the proposed road could jog over onto his sideydsd.
�Ie would then buy �he land to the rear of his property and create a larger backyarc� for
himself. Mr. Heyne said if he purchased approximately 45 feet and with some ju�gling
of the developex°s lot lines, the plat would have the same number of lots.
Mrs. Winifred Maki, 7520 Lakeside Road, said she � iv es on the opposite side of the pro-
posed road. Her garage would be 1ocaLed 5 feet from tlie road. Slie expressed concern un
t he water table. There was a creek b�d in this area and she questi.oned if the new con-
struc�.ion coul.d cause the water tabel to rise. Slie also said she was against the street
� guing in next to her garage because she would loosP her sideyard.
i��r. Oquist quest? oned wliat creelc Mrs . Psaki was referring to.
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� Mro Boardman said this was an underground creek bed and Comstock and Davis had been asked
to determine the level of the water table and flow for this area.
Mr. Greg Kline, 7612 Arthur Stxeet, said he was concesrned by the possibility of head-
lights shining into homes where the proposed streets came out. He also wanted to
know if the entire plat would be gxa�.ed and leveled at one time and then allowed to
sit until consti-uction star�s.
Ms. Blomberg replied it was too expensive to level the entire area without any construc-
tion commitments. Ttiey also int�nd to leave the land as natural and rolling as it was
presently.
Mr. Lloyd Dawsony 1525-75th Avenue NE, asked what type of construction would be put in
the area.
Mr. Harris replied it woLld be all R-1, single family dwellings.
Mr. Jim Carlson, 7531 Lakeside Road, wanted to know why the street could not be brought
out to the county road (Osborne Road) instead of having an additional 40 people trying to
get out by using I�akeside Road. He said the corner of Lakeside and Osboine was a vis-
ua11y hazardous intersection already. If the road came out onto Osborne, perhaps the
county would improve the road. This wo�ld also keep more t�affic off of a residential
street where there are kids playing.
Mx, Hagris said the ciicy has no con�rol over what iche county does and they were touchy
��� about giving any road accesses on their roads.
Ms. Blomberg said if the road went through Lots 1-4, Block, they would loose 2 lots, plus
Lot 21 would have roads on 3 sides.
Mrs. 3ohn Hennes, 7600 Arthur Street, 3sked if the devel�pers would be rezoning the
area at all or leaving it R-1.
Mra Blomberg said they would be leaving it I:-1.
Mr. Carlson aslced if they would grade and fill in the 1ow spots and then start building.
He was worried about excess dust blowing around.
Mr. Blombe�g said they would grade for the stxeets firts and then do 1 to 5 lots at a
time. Mrs. Blomberg edded that she could see the possibility of filling in low spots
w i�h fill from the area and th.at could cause some dust pxoblems.
Mrs. Karen Lennox, 7547 Lakeside Ro�.d, wanted i:o know if there had to be an acces on to
Lakeside Road from 75z Avenue ox if there was any other type uf access possible.
Mro Harris said it would be difficult to place the road elsewhere,
Mrs. Lennox stated it wouldn't be dif�icult, but expensive to the developer. She was
nat sure of the altemative available, but felt Mr. Carlson's suggestion o�f having an
access onto Osborne Road was goocl. She a�.�o said with the number of homes involved, _
�`� possibly matching up a road with 76th or bringing the new �oad back around ta Arthur
Street would be a solutiono '
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Members of �he audience who live on Arthur Street objected to �he latter proposal be-
��� cause all the traffic burden wauld be on their streete
Mr. Boa�dman said if they matched up with 76th Avenue they would need a cul-de-sac to
run down to service the south 1ots. City codes limit the length that a cul-de-sac can
be. Due to police and fire protection and street maintenance, city policy was to keep
away from cul-de-sacs.
Ms. Hughes pointed out if a street was put in to ma�ch up with 76th, a cul•-de-sac plus
one more street would still be needvdo She wanted to know if �here was some other
alternative a
Mr. Boardman said you would have ta have at least 1 ox 2 cul-de��acs then. Culdde�sacs
take up more area and the sewer and water has to be looped to service the homes. It
was vexy expensive for the developer plus expensive for the city to maintain.
Mr. Heyne said he would go along cai�h a cul-de-sac-�co service the lots in back of his
property. He also pointed out the culmde-sac that was recently built on Flanexy.
Mrs, Maki asked if the commission would recommend a cu1-de�sac by their property if it
meant Chem loosing 25 fee� of theix property to a �coad.
Mro }3oardman said he could understand Mxs. Maki°s feelings, but again stated because
of d.evelopment costs and m�.intenance costs the city wants to stay away from cul�de-sacso
Mr. Heyne said he was not convinced of the m�intenance problem. He walks by �he one on
1� Flanery on his way to work each day and has never seen a snow removal problem.
Ms. Schnabel �aid she lives on a cul�de-sac and they have had texrible snow removal pro-
blems in the winters. The plowing was a pain and they have had to have special plows
come out and either push the snow way up into their yards or into the middle of the cul-
de-sac. She al�o said living on a cul-de-sac was noiser because you axe closer to you�
neighbox's home.
Mrs. Maline Fi.sh, 7501 Lakeside Road, said she did not like cul-de-sacs either and pro�
posed the road to came back onto ArChux Street.
Mx. Oquist pointed out the traffic burden would then be on only those homeowners.
Ms. Schnabel asked if the develeper had tried any o�ther access designs.
Ms. B1omUerg replied they are not ixying to make i.t diffzcult for the present homeowners
T1iey had worked with the Pla.nnir�g Departmeni on the plan and this was the most feasible
as fa.r as potential development and costs. The surveyor they had contacted felt this
was fhe most feasible plan alsoo
Mre John Hennes, 7G00 Arthur Street, asked about the possibility of fli.pl�ing the plan.
Mr. Iiarris said this would make the Lakeside Road access too c�.ose to Osborne Road and
could cause a stacking pral�lem on Lakeside Road. This would be a safety h�zardo
� Mrs. Lenna:� suggested tgadx.ng off the road access the city already has on Lots Z1 and 22,
put the road in to line up with 7Cth Avenue and then re-shuffle the lot widths on Lake-
side Roado
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�1K�r. Boardman said Lots 21 and 22 could not be serv?ced if they were to be spli�.
I� was asked how Lots 1 and 2 on the nortlz end would be serviced..
Mr. Harris said if these lots are split, a driveway easement would be required acgoss
Loic 4 to service Lot 2.
Ms. $lomberg agreed to that. A 25 feet dxiveway easement would be dedica�ed for this
purpose,
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr, Txeuenfels to close �he public hearinga
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIItMAN H�1tRIS L��CLARED �HE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMO'JSLY, PUBLIC HEAR.ING �LOSED A.T 9:02 P@Ma
Mso Hughes said there were o�h�r alternative solutions for the roads, but none seemed
as feasible as the one pxesenteda She fel� because of th.e stacking problem if the plan
was flipped, the added cul-de�sa�s and because righ.t�o�-way had already been dedicated,
this pla,n was the best. Howevex, this�plan would depend on if an agreement could be made
be�tween the 2 homeowners and the developerm
�is. Schnabel said unless that agreement was made, it would be hard t� say what could
nappen, If they can't malce �hat agreement the plara may have to be xeviewed by the
1'lanning Commission again. 2'he bLrden was on the developer to get the needed access.
She felt a recommendatiion could be made �to the City Council based on that agxeement
� ox else the Council raill have to come up with some other solution.
��so hughes said wi�ii all the s�ipulations requested by staff and the agreemen� that was
nee3ed fo�c road access, wh.at was �he best way to h�dle this requzst.
Mra Harris said the commission had the option to deny the request, or make a. recommenda-
tion for approval to Council with the staff stipulations plus the access ag�eemenr. If
� he access a�reement was no� worked out, it should come back to the commission.
Mso Hughes said she would like to see �the �ceuommendation first by the Rice Creek Water�
shed Districto
Ms. Blomberg said if the Rice Creek Watershed District requirecl holding or retention
ponds that would change the coniiguration of the plat. Howevex when she did ta�lk to
t h�n, they thought the plan looked okay. If reconfiguration was needed, then she
would have to come back to the Planning Commissione Possibly they could �nake a recom-�
mendation on that possibility.
Mr. Boardman suggested they pass recommendation to Council if there was no reconfigura�ion
change. If there was a reconfiguration then i� should come back to the co�nission for
review. He could not see any point in hoZcling up the plat iiE thera was no change. �Ie
pointed out that Council could change the final plat if necessary,
Mr. Harris stated that was true, but would like to see the glan go to Council as com�
plate as possible. r.
�''�MOTION by Mse Hughes �o contim�e �he discussion on Ereliminaxy Plat PoS� �'�'79�03, Blomberg
Estates.
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Chairman Iiaxris declared the motion failed Uecause ot a lack of a second.
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MOTION by Mr. Oquis�, seconded by M�o Treuenfels, to reco�nend to City Council apFroval
of proposed Preliminaxy Plat, P.Sd ��79-03, Blomberg Estates with the following
stipula�ions: '
l. Work out costs of au�lloriz�d fees (park £ees).
2o Work out agreement on right-of-way acquisition to provide accesso
3. Rice Creek W�.tershed approval.
4e Sewer and water layout approval by staff.
So Drainage and ugility easements around each lot be dedicatede
6o Dedication of a 25 foot driveway easement to Lot 2, Block 2, thru L�t 4.
7o S�itch �he 1o�s sizes of Zots ?1 and 14, Block 3 with those of Lots 12 and
13, Block 3.
�a If the plat was reconfigured, f�r any reason, the plat will come back �o
the Planning Commission for further review.
Nlr. Boaxd.man said s�taff woula also like to see Cleveland Sic°reet ch.anged to Anoka S�reet.
�I�. Carlson asked if Mro Hey:ie and Mrse Maki cannot reach an agreement w�uld tI?e first
alternative road configuration be to line up with 76th Av�nue.
NL. Harris said he oould not say that for sure. What ti�e Planning CoIIanission was �Crying
t o clo, was if there was any xeconfigura�ion, the plan would come back �o tne comminssion
for review.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAS1tMAN HARRIS Dl�:CI�RED �HE MOTION CARRiET�
I7N�NIMOUSLY ,
M:r. Boardman said the Council will set a Public Hea.ring for this in Januaxy at their
December 3, 1979 meeLing<
Mro Harxis asked to have the hameownaxs �emotified if the plan has �o come back to �he
Planning Commission,
3. RECEIVE HUMAN F,�SOURCES COMI�SSION MINUTESe OCTaBER 18, 1979
MOTION by Mre Treuenfels, seconded by Ms, Hughes, to receive �he Human Resource
Commission minutes of October 18, 1979.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE9 CI�TRI�IL�T H,ABRIS DECLL�R�D TH� MOTION CA�RIED
�NAIVII�ZOUSLY o
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Ms. Hughes said the discussion on fundii�� was referred to the Council. 7.'he Council
^ had received recommendations from the Planning Commissinm befoxe and had sent those
xecommendations back to the Human Resource Commission. She wanted to know if Planning
Commission had mors to say on the funding xesources. She wished to discuss them more.
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� Mra Boardman said he noticed they had allowed money for a contingency fund (357 of
' $10,000) and wanted to know if there was money available for that fund wo uld they
use iC up on more requests or what would happen to it.
Mr. Treuenfels said the other requests received totaled $6,500 and they have received
one more request and will probably get more. The money fox� those additionaZ requests
will presumably come out of the contingency fund.
Mso Hughes said the request to determine the amounLs came down by either the Council
or the City Manager. They did not give an exact dollar amount to work with. and the
Human Resouxce Commission picked out the amoun� of $10,000. It was hard to give a
certain percentage for each request because if the dollar amount was different, say
only $5,000, the commission could have ranked each request different. The commission
was not given enough.information to work with. How can you give a requesti a percentage
of an unkown amount. That was a critical question. She fel� the dollar amounts
a1lo�ed each reques� should be increase9 fox example tr� $Z0,000 each, plus increase �he
amount of the contingency fund to help fund the critical area xequesi� like SACA.
Mr. Boardman said he had some questions and problems on tha�o The idea Lhat Council
a nd the City Manager's office was getting at was you have an unknown amount of dolla�s,
and five requestse How w ould prioritize each request and decide what ��ercentage each
prioxity gets. If there was only $5,000 available and priority one xequests $8,000,
do we give them all of the money available or do rae giv� them only a pexcentage of the
amount availablem
�+, Mro Oquist said the percentage business was fixae for what we know today. Iiut, was this
�something tae go thru the first of each year. We may not know then who wi11 be requesting
fun�ls and how much.
Mro Harzis said he w�uld like to see no dollar amounts, but decided on percentage figures.
Does pxiority one get 50% of whaC ever amoun� was availableo He felt thexe should be a
cut off date on tha applications so that the �.mounts can be budgeted into the next year's
budgeico He felt �this was what Council was looking �o�.
Ms, Hughes said Cov.ncil got �ha� in these minutese Z`he Iiuman Resource Commission recom-
mended 100% funding of the xequests< She said Planning Cor�ur►ission should concur• with
that recommendationm
Mro Treuenfels said. the xequest by I�� was not in at the time of this meeting that
decided on tlza other requests.
Mr. Boardman said he felt that xecommendation would be a good one to sent to Council.
He also said the applications should be in by a cer�ain cut off date so the Human Resourc�
Cocranission can give the requests priority listing. Those priorities would be ranked
however that commission wished, perhaps by service to the coc�unity. They then would
have to give each prioiity a percentage. For example, priority one gets 50% of their
funds or do they get 50% of �:heix requesi:.
Mx. Treuenfels doubted the scheme of pxiority one getting all the funds if funds are
low and no one else getting anyth�n�e �o
� Mr. Boardman stated tha� was why thc Human Resource Commission had tio decide how to
divide up the available funds.
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1�ir, Oquist said it will be lcnown l�ow much money there was available because these
1�1 r�quests will be asked for before the new budget was adopted.
Ms, Hughes questioned what happens �o requests that come in after the �udget has been
acioptedo There will be money still available somehow, some4�here in �he budget.
Mro Harxis said he has a problem with how these request come in nowo How can the City
jus�ify to the taxpayers having a 5100,000 contingency fund that may not be used.
Ms. Hughes said she could unde�stand tlia� point, but requests will come up later and
h ow do we handle them.
Mr. Harris saic? we only have s� much money that we can work w�the If tPre wen� to the
Federal gove�nment after their cut off we would be told the same thing,
Mre Boardman �eplied that was why a process should be se� up, Right now Council was
setting up a priorii:ies list arbitrarily on a first coTne first serve basis.The money
h as never been budgeted for these requests. We need to have the Human Resource C�mmis-
sion make recommendations and se� up a list.
1�lr. Harais said he was against slush funds. He felt it wa.s better to have monies
budgeted.
Msa Hugl.:es �ceplied i:he lobbying for funds should be done while the budget was being
worked on and not t-hrough the Human Resource Commissic�n.
��e Boardman said the Human Resource Commission would be needed t� set up priorities,
":Cf the Council has a priority list, �hey can then determine the amount of money avail4
able and needed, �'hey could cut ar_d add to the continge�xcy rund as needed by this
p�iority list.
MOTION by I�Is, Hughes to concurr with the recommendation to the City Council by the
Human Resource Cor�anission on allocation of funds to the Central Center for Family
Resources ($5,000), Anoka County Senior Citizen Outreach Pxogram ($1,000) and SACA
($500)a
Chairman Harris declared the m�tion failed because o� a lack of a second.
Mr. i-Iarris wanted �� know if these requests come out of the 1980 budgete
Ms. Hughes said no, �hey should come ou� of the 1979 budget.
Mr. Boardman said it would more then likely have to come out o� the 1980 btidget.
Ms. Hughes said these requests were received in June and July and they wa.nt the money
nowa
Mr. Oquist pointed out that if they recoYmnended a.pproval of the money tonight, it will
probably not be paid until January 2, 1980, so therefore it will be 1980 budgeted money.
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Steve Kline, representing Anoka County Senior Citizen's Outreach Program, said his pro-
� p, ram placed it's request about 4 nu�nths ago and are �n a very tight budget. Anyway to
s peed up the process to get the money would. be appreciated.
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� M�s Harris said they are not sure �here the money was budgete�, but would not with
!�' h�ld it if they had ito
Ms. Schnabel asked i� in 7 or 8 month these requests would need more money, where does
t he money come from then, .
Mr, Kline said as of July, 1980, this program will be loc�lly funded wi�h a 50% matching
Eedexal grant. This contribution from Fxidley would be a one time aontribution, They
have already received fu.nds f�om neighboring cities.
Ms. Schnagel asked how the other citi�s appxopria:ted funds.
Mre Boardman saa,d �he same way we are doing it.
Mrm Oquist said requ�sts made in 1980 will have to be handled the same way they are now
being handledb Requests in 1981 will be budgeted. foro I�oEaever, .these programs that
request funds will have to be no�ified so they know of the new funding policy, We
wi.11 have to play it� by ear until budgeL-ing starts in 19�0 for the 1981 budget, Sf we
don't have the :noney to give out until the budgetect money �akes over, then we won'ta
Mx. Boardman agreed, He said what �'lanning Cormnission will be saying was tha.� the pre-
sent �requesics will be paid for out of the 1980 slush fund, As of 3u1y, 1980, we will
sta.r� the new policy where programs make application f�r budgeted money. The Human
Resourc� Couunission, will then prioritize the request� and Council will then budget fox
them.
�'IZra Oquist said that was what he was saying. We cannot prioritize these requests or set
a perc�ntage on them because �here was no 1980 budger� for themo The Planning Commission
recommends paying tlie state3 amount tor .each request and tha� was all they could do
nozo 0
Mso Hughes said the City could pay these requests b�foxe J'anuary 2, 19�0 if they really
wa�t4d to.
Mxo Harris wanted �o know if SACA's request would. be enough. He could nolt imagine them
making their budget on only $500 until 1981. He felt they should be contacted to see
ii that would be enough.
Ms, Hughes said she would go and call Pat Brennen and ask her to come to the meetinge
Chairman Harris declareal a recess a� 10:08 P.M. and reconveyned at 10025 PaM.
Pat Brennen, President of the Board and Co-ordinator of SACA, said she had turned her
request in last summer, plus she sent a letter to Mro Qureshi and did not get a reply.
Later she and Mro Watson, also of SACA, went and saw Mr. Qureshi and were told at that
time $500 �aas li�tle enough for what SACA does for the coc�►unity. They ar.e still wait-
ing for their money,
Mr. Harris e�.plained they were s�tting up a new program which could eliminate any inore
funding until Januaxy 2, 1981. This $500 approved now may have to last SACA �or an
n 13 mon�h period and wanted to know if that amount was enough.
P'[rs. B��nnen said she believed SACA should get money from Fridley each year. Columbia
Heights has donated s house r�lus utiliti�s for them to use. All they pay w�s $40 a
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� month for �elephone servire. S.A�A sexves more Fridley residents then Columbia lieights
and should help in funding. Sh.e stated they would need the $500-for 1979 and an addi-
tional $500 for 1980, That amount would cover the telephone service.
Ntr. Oquist asked if they would be no�ifying Central Center.
Mr. Harris said no. The commission fel� $5,000 was a goad size contribution.
Ms, Hughes said the program has started. They have had 5 s�ate grant reviews and were
turned down on the last one. They have been told the grant program that they wrote was too
good and they are too new. They have only been in operation since August, 1979. She
said they are in worse needs of funds now then if they had go�ten state funds. They
have been sexv ing families in the area alreadyo Some funding has come through Blaine,
Spring Lake Park and Medtronico Theix biggest problem was get�ing funds for administra-
tive costs and individual counseling. They plan ta add one moxe counselor for individual
counseling, but the counseling fees will pay for that. It was a.n expensive, but needed,
servi�eo The $59000 would be used to help set up the first year of operation.
Mr. Harris questioned the s�atus of KKKK.
Mx. Tgeuenfels said they have asked for $3,000. But the Humax� Resource Cot�ission did
not feel they had looked elsewhere for funding help and also were not sure how many
people tliis program reached. Members of K[�K had offered tq pay more �han the $10 per
year fee, but had been turned down by �he Board of KKKK. He said the Human Resource
Commission reco�nended to the Planning Comsnission at their last meeting matching funds
� �.ip to $l, 500.
MOTTON by Mr. Treuen£els, seconded by Ms. Hughes to concur with the reco�enda�tions by
the Iiuman Resouic�: Commission Co �ecoanmend to the City Counc�.l to pay the following
fund request�t
1. Cent�al Centex for Family Resources
2, Anoka C�ya Sro Citizens Outreach Program
3. SACA, change from $S00 to
4. IZI�ZK, matching funds up to
5. Contingency Fund, �educed to
$5,000 50%
$i,aoo io�o
$1,000 10%
$1,500 15%
$1,500• 15%
Ms. Hughes asked if pexcentages where included in Mre Treuenfels motion. Mr. Txeuenfels
said yes alnd also the contingency fund,
Ms. Hughes withdrew her seconde
Chairman Harxis declared the motion failed because of a lack of a second.
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. HLghes to concur with the recommendations by
the Human Resource Coulmis�ion to reco�uend to the City Council to pay rhe following
fund requests: Percentages are not :6ncluded in the motion
1. Central Center for Family Resources $5,000
2. Anolca Cty. Sr. Citizens Ou�:reach Program $1,000
n 3. SACA, change from $500 to $1,000
, 4e KKKK, matching funds up to $1,500
5. Contingency Fund, xeduced to $1,500
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�`� Mx, Oquist questioned the time lim3.t on KKKIC for raising funds to receive the matching
funcls of up to $1,500. He felic therP should be a cut off perioda He said he did not
know what the KKKK was and it did not seem right to him that SACA o�c the Sr. Citizen
Outreach Program should only get $1,000 eacho He also could not go along with the
motion because of the contingency fund.
Mra Treuenfels expla.ined what KKKTti was, stating it was a place for pagents and pre-
&choolers to come �nd do activities wit� their children, other children and garen�s.
They use a room a.t the Community �,ducation buildingo They di.d presenL a budget of $31000
Mr. Boardman sazd if the $3,000 had been approved we would have been funding theiY
entire program.
Mra Oqua.st could, no� see wl�ere �hat much funding would be required. He pointed espzcially
since they turned down additional funding by the people who use the program.
Mrs. Bxennen said she was on �he Ec�ucation Advisory Boa.rd and the funding was based on
a st�ong community need fox a p�eschool pxogram. T�i.is was an ungoing program and she
hated to see i� stappeda
Nire Oquist said i� should get some support from the school district.
Ms � Sch,nabel said i:he program almost sounded lilce a day care center.
MrsQ Brenn�n said the parents are ir.volved with �he prc�gram vach tim.e their chald was
%�� thereo The thought �aas the paxent was the most impor�ant teacher a child haso
Mr. Oquist felt the people using this pxogram should be able to fund it more then they
were.
Mso Schnabel felt it seemed ico touch the diff�ren� a.reas of social work, parks and xec�
re�tion and education and was not sure if it wa.s some�hing the City should fancle
Nkr. Boa�°dmax► s�atied this was were the pri.oxi�ies will help ou�o If an organization,
t�at helps the citizens, has looked at all aspects of funding th.eir program and none
was available, then the city could help. It seemed the KKKK had not looked at all the
areas yet open to them far funding. That was an important question fo� the city to ask.
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to ammend the original motion to read
that KKKK must raise by July 1, 198U, at least $190Q0 to receive matching fund up to
�1,000 fxom the City.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, SCHN�FL, IiARP.IS, HUGHES VOTING A,YE: TREUENFII.S, OQUIST, HORA VOT?NG
NAY, CHAIRMAN HARItIS DECLAR�D THE MOTION FAILED B�:CAUS� OF A Tl� VOTEo �
Mr. Oquist said I�.KK should not be funded until funds are shown to be needed.
MOTION by Mr, Oquist, seconded t�y Mr. Hora to amm�nd the original motion by deleting the
KKI:K allocation from the motion. ,
n U�'JN A VOICE VOTE, OQU�ST, HiJGHES= ��IS; SGHN�EL, HORA VO�ING AYE9 TREiJENFELS, VOTIDTG
NAY' CH.AIRTf�N �iARItTS DECLAF.ED THE 1�I�iI�N C�RR2�D,
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rj:.;�.\ Ma, Schnabel said KKKK should come to the Planning Commission to answer funding questiion�
- that they have.
MOTION by Mrs Oquist, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to ammend the original motiion by removing
t he contingency funrl from �he motiono ,
UPON A VOICE VOTE, OQUIST, HUGHES, H�1I'iRIS SCHNABEL HORA VOTING AYE; TREUENFELS VOTING NAY,
CHAIRMAN H�IRRIS DECLARED THE MGTION CAItRTED.
Chairman Haxris called for a vote on the original motion as ammended.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTiNG AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS D�CLARED Ti� MOTION CARRED UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION bZ Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to recommend to City Council that a
new procedure be set up thaL states any group requesting city funds have their request
in by July lst, of each year to allow budgeting for the next fiscal year. These requests
wi11 be turned over to the Human Resource Commission for prioritization. Each request
shall include a request fox a specific dollar amount, ope�ating budget, an explanation
of need, how the money will be used and other sources of funding available to the appli-
cant, This prograza wi11 be in ef�ect July 1, 1980.
Ms. Hughes said some so�t of review grocess should be set up so the Human Resource Commis�
sion kno�an how the Council f�els.
Mr. Boardman said the Planning Commi:ssion can ha�e staff set up a review process pragram.
n The staff could have the pxogram se� up around January 15, 1980 and th.e P1a�.iizing Co�i.s�
sion cou]_d r�view it at that timee
Ms, Schnabel pointed out that this raotion states applications must be in by July le
How do �Che potential applican�s know of the dea.dlinee
Mr. Boardman said that will be included in the review process program to be set up by
staffe
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CH�IF.MAN HARItIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANTMOUSLYe
MOTION by Mso Schnabel, seconded by Mx. Treuenfels, to authorize the city staff to set
up a review p�cocess program �o be brought to the �lanning Commission no later then
.7anuaxy 15, 1980e The reviaw process will include the Planning Commission, Council and
Human liesource Commissiona
UPON A VOTCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AY'E, CH,�IRM�PIV I-�1ZRI5 DECL�tED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY a
4, RECENE PUBLIC HEAR2IVG NOTIGE FROM SPRING LAKE PARK
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Oquist, �to receive the public hearing notice
from Spring Lake Park.
Mr, Boardman said he believed this building was a block structure to be used fog storage.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, GHAIRMAN HAS.ItIS D8CLEIRED THE MOTION C�,RRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
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5. R�C�IVE ENVIRONMFNTAL,�UfiLITY COMMISSION M�]iJTES : OCTOBER 16, 1979
��'I�IOTION by Mro Hora, seconded hy Ms. Schnabel �o receive the Environmental Quality
Commission minutes of October 16, 1979.
UPON A VOICE VUTE, ALZ VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN IiAi�RIS DECI,ARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLYo
6 e RECEIVE PL�RI:S �,ND RECREATION CONfI'�ISSIOIV MINUTES : OCTOBER 17. 1979
MOTION by Ms, Hughes, secondec� by Mxo Oquist to receive th� parks and Recreation
Commission minu�es of Octobe� 17, 1979a
A questiioned was noted on the date stated on page 2, 6th paragraph and also a correc�ion
noted on the time in the lsic pa�agxaph, page 4; 10:30 P.Mm to 10:30 A.Mo
Mr. Harris said he noticed the Woodcrest Baptist Church use of public parks for their
physical education needs was being discussed againo Tie thought this problem had been
handled earlier.
Mso Hughes said th�re had been some discussions and some agreements made earlier, bu�
Woodcxest was no� being very coopera�tive,
Mr0 Harri.s ask�d to malce suxe tlze Parlcs Commission and Park Department got some type af
agreement on this problem.
iJPON �: VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARItIS DECLARED TI3E MOTION CARRIED UNANII+'B��SLY,
� 7m CGNTINUED: Pt�OPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205e ZONING
MJTIO�T by Mx°, Oquis�, seconded by Mr, ��euenfels ta continue the discussion on pgoposed
Ghanges to Chapter 205s ZOI1111�y ur�til the Sp�cial Mee�ing �o be he13, Thursday, November
159 1979, a�t 7 t3Q P,M.
liPQN A VOICE VOTE, Ai,L VO`TING AYE, CHAI�tM�N HAR�IS DECLARED � MOTTON CARR.IED UN�,DT�OUSLY o
8e OTHER BUSINESS•
Mxa Fc�aardman noted the hand o�ut "People Building Neighborhoods", tliat each member had
received. He said anyone wishing to attend should get approva.l of their commission and
n oti£y hi.m by December lst.
Ms. Schrrabel asked �o have this brochure given to the Appeals Commission at their next
meeting.
Mr. Boardman poinr_ed out to the commission that the City Council at their last meeting
had set up an Enex;g Commi.ssion,
Discus�ion on environmQntal deveZopment fees:
Nlr. Harris said he w auld be going eithex as a member oi th� Planning Commission or as a
� private citizen to the ne.e:ct Council meet:Lng to get some infoxmation and answers on the
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�'-``` so called "environmental development fee". The commission wanted to get answers for:
lo How can a fee be implemented without autliurization?
2. Were does the fee moneq go after collected? (General fund, slush fund, etic.)
3o G�hat was the money used for? (future sto:e°mm sewers, tree planting, etc.)
4. Were was the caritten polic� on this fee? ,
Mro Harris said. when the fees and p��rpose of the fees �7ere discussed and decided upon,
there was no mention of this tS�pe of feea
ADJOIiRI�1MENT :
MOTION by Mre Oquist, seconded by Mro Treuen�els, to adjourn the Planning Coaunission
meeting of November 7, 1979.
UPON. A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIIdG AYE, C�iAIRMAN HA1tRIS D�CLARED THE MEETTNG �JOURNED A,T
11045 P.Mo
Respectfully submiticed9
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