PL 01/09/1980 - 6669PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL•
City of Fridley
AGENDA
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 9, 1980 7:30 P.M..
APPROVE PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 19, 1979
1. VACATION REqUEST, SAV # 79-05, BY RICHARD KAHN: Vacate
the drainage and utility easements,.all in Block 1, ATice
Wall Addi.tion: The south 10 feet of Lots 1 and 2, over the
south 10 feet and the east 5 feet of Lot 3, over the west
5 feet of Lot 4, over the west 5 feet of Lot 5; which lies
north of the easterly extension of the south line of Lot 3,
and the west 10 feet of that part of Lot 5, wfiich lies south
of the easterly extension of the south line of Lot 3, over the
west 10 feet of Lot 6, over the west 10 feet of lot 7, and
on Lot 24, which lies west of a line drawn parallel with and
distant 356.0 feet east of the most westerly line of said
Lot 24 and its northerly extension.
2. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMSER
12, 1979
3.
�6. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING
5. OTHER BUSINESS:
ADJOURNMENT:
PAGES
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Large map showing
the entire plat
giving easements
retained and those
to be vacated wil�
be available at
the meeting
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those will be put into each of the districrs. He took each of the districts,
went through all the "Performance Standards", took a11 the modifications and
changes suggested by thc Planning Canmission for the '!Performance Standards",
and had those drawn up for each of the sections. He stated the Planning
Cocim�ission had wanted him to rework the parking requirements, and he had not
yeC gotten the parking requirements put into those sections.
Mr. Harris asked the Commission how they wanted to handle this document.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would like to have sane time to study the revised
document and compare it with past notes.
Mr. Boardman stated that when the Commissioners go through the revised doceunent,
they should check to make sure all the corrections made by the Planning
Commission were put into the "Performance Standards".
Mr. Boardman stated that, as requested, he had located the "Townhouse" section
behind the "R1" section. After the "Townhouse" section, he had put the "P District"
He was Looking at the end of "Industrial" as being the location for the "PUD"
(Planned Unit Development). The Planning Commission had talked about the
differences between "Special Districts" and "PUp Districts", so there would
probably be a separate "PUD" from "Special Districts".
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE r40TI0N CAItRIED
UNANIMOUSLY. .
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue discussion
on Proposed Changes to Chagter 205. Zoning until the next meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRNIt1N HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTIOPI CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
2. RF.C�IVE DECEMBER 6, 1974 HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTSON by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive the December 6, 1979,
Human Resources Commission minutes,
Mr. Langenfeld stated he enjoyed reading Mr. Haines' (Executive Director of
Unity Hospital) comments about heali-h care.
Ms. Hughes asked Mr. Treuenfels why the Human Resources Commission asked
Mr. Haines to come ta a commission mee[ing,
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the problem of health care is of great interest as
far as human resources, particularly for the aged and people living on limited
incomes. Many questions have been asked and there has been quite a lot of
debate in the papers on health care, and Chere never seems to be a good
explanation for rising costs, etc. Mr. Treuenfels stated that Mr. Haines
made an interesting presentation snd openecl his eyes to a number o� facts
that he had not been aware of.
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Ms. Schnabel stated that the most interesting remark made by Mr. Haines was
that the hospital is not licensed to provide medical care, only the doctors.
It is a common assumption by people that a hospiCal is Chere to provide
medical care. It is also probably one of the reasons why people criticize
hospitals more than is necessary.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI,L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DSCLARED THE MOTION CARRIED-
UNANIMOUSLY.
3. RECEIVE DECEMEER 11, 1979, COM�NNITY DEVPLOPMENi' COM^iISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel,to receive the December 11, 1979,
Community Development Commission minutes.
Ms. Hughes asked about the responses to the letters on alley vacations that the
City had sent out to the citizens,
Mr. Deblon stated that, for the most part, people did not mind the alley
vacation, but did ask ahout the rise in taxes. There has been some communi-
cation problems with some people, and there is going to have to be further
explanation and mediation in some cases, especially in the areas where 9�/,
want an alley vacat'ed and 10'/ don't.
Mr. Harris stated he thoup,ht for those alleys �ahere there are no problems,
they should have a blanket vacation, because it could save a lot of problems
in the future.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIR'SAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE DECEMBER 11, 1979, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the December 11, 1979,
Appeals Commission minutes.
Ms. Schnabel stated with the request on page 2 of the minutes, the petitioner
had an existiag garage that he wanted to conver.t to living area and then dig
a new garage below the existiizg gar�ge. The petitioner made the remark at
the meeCing that he was told by Darrel Clark that he could avoid applying for
a variance if he made part of the new living area storage--in other words,
the 2-4 feet closest to the lot line. She stated the Appeals Commission was
a little concerned. She could not recall this ever coming up before, and she
was concerned because she thought it was a caay to circuFnvent the Zoning
ordinance.
Mr. Boardman sCated shat he did not think this was the case, and ha did not
think tttere was any situation where it was recommended by staff that this be
done. As far as he knew,about what happened cvas that the petitioner,
Mr. Earl Hansen; came in and stated he needed to get construction underway
before winter. hir. C1ark tol.d him the ocily way he could get construction
stazted was if that was not living space, Uecause you can le�ally �ut non-
inhabitable space up to f-ive feet o£ a property line. Then, Mr. Clark had
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tald him that if he wanted to use that space for living space, he would have
to get a'variance. However, Mr. Clark had warned him that by starting con-
struction, he was taking a risk that if Lhe Appeals Commission turned down
the variance, he would never have that space as living space.
Mr. Boardman stated that to begin with, Mr. Clark had talked to the contractor,
and not necessarily the owner, Mr. Hansen, when the building permit was issued.
Mr. Hansen had told Mr. Boardman that the contractor had told Mr, Hansen it
was o,ic, to go ahead with construction, but the contractor did not tell
Mr. Hansen that he would not be able to use that space for living space without
a variance. So, there were things going on between the contractor and the
owner of the property that Mr. Clark was not awaze of. When Mr. Clark talked
to the contractor, he was Calking to a representative for the owner.
Mr. Boar,dman stated this was his understanding of what had happened,
Ms. Schnabel stated she felt the petitioner was somecahat confused by the
various information received at City Ha11 and had said he never wanted any-
thing but living space. She stated the Appeals Co�ission had no real problem
wieh granting the variance, but were concerned because it seemed to be circum-
venting the Zoning ordinance.
Ms. Schnabel stated that on page 8 of the minutes, anoCher question came up
and the Appeals Commission decided to have someone from the Fire Department
speak to the�n again about fire wall situations. The Couunission had a request
to install a five-stall garage ten feet from an apartment building, and they
were concerned if there was a fire in the garage if there was the possibility
of it spreading to the apartment building and whether or not a fire wall should
be installed in the one wall of the garage next to the apartment building.
Mr. Boardman stated that he was sure Darrel Clark would be able to anscaer
those kinds of questions. Mr. Clark would not have let that request get this
far and would not allow that garage to be built if there was a fire regulation.
No building permits are issued for something ti�at is against fire codes or
building codes, and the Appeals Commission should not have to worry about
those things,
Ms. Schnabel stated the Appeals Commissiou had been concerned because
Mr. Clark was not at that meeting, and they did not have any of that kind oE
information.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING A1iE, CIiAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TH� MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
5. OTHF.R BUSINESS:
Mr, Treuenfels stated that at the December 5, 1479, Planning Commission meeting,
Mr. Harris had asked him to set up a meeting with Father Paul of St. Williams
Church and the Piinisterial CommiCtee of Fridley in January for the purpose of
coordinating plans or organizations that handlt social funct9.ons and concerns,
such as KKKK.
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Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Ministerial Committee's next meeting was on
Thursday, �Tanuary 3, 1980, at the Eridley Covenant Chur.ch, and they were
invieed l-o attend the meeting at $:00 a.m.
Mr. Harris stated he and Mr. Treuenfels would attend this meeting.
Mr. Iiarris stated that in regard to park fees, he felt it was within the realm
and responsibility of Che Planning Commission to get the impetus going for
setting a policy on park fees and distribution of park fees. He felt uncomfortable
that the Planning Commission had to be the "watchdog" for the community, but
someone had to do it. •
Ms. Hughes stated if this is a general revenue source for the City, then it
should not be called a park fee, and that is what it has been in the past.
If it is a park fee, then it should be dedicated €or park use.
Lu[i1M{�7�Ssi'u�
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seconded by
establish a
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on park fees--that it be equit
it be eas
stood; and that there be discusssion wi
dedication park fees for park purposes.
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fxxed formula sa as to
inistered and easily under-
aine Commission on the
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMt1N HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIhIOUSLY ,
Mr. Treuenfels, seconded bv Ms.
rman
Parks & Recreation
Commission to get togeYher with City Council Por the purpose of establishin
some kind of communication to discuss the maCter of a park fee.
UPON A VOICE VQTE, ALL VOTIhG AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THR MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Harris stated he would like to �aish each and everyone a happy holiday
and a properous new year:
AD.TOURATI�NT :
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Schiiabel, to adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Ct�airman Harris declared the December 19, 1979,
Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 9:06 p.m. �
Respectfully submiL-Ced,
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Recording Secretary
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CITY OF PRI�LEY MINNCSOTA
PLANNING ANU ZONING FORM
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Telephone Number 574-0674
PROPERTY OWNER' S SIGNATIIRE �fiLtL^'� J/' j�eix''i''�
Address �46b Mississip�et N.E.
Selephone Number 574-0674 �
Street Location of Property 960 Mississippi Street N.E.
Legal Description of Property Lots 1-7 & 24 Block 1
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TYPE OF RGQUBST ;
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Rezoning �
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Special Use Permit i
Approval o£ Premin- I
inary & Final Plat
�J Streets or Alley �
Vacations �
Other �.
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Feela.�° Receipt No. %�/� �/_ !.
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Alice [dall j
Present Zoning Classification R-1 & R-3 Existing Use of Property
Residential �
Acreage of Property -- Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification i
or type of use and improvement proposed
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` Vacate-e��ting easements �-;j�
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Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes no.
What was requested and i.hen? T7/p
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet far rezoning) must he at�tached to this apglication.
(b) This application must be signed b}• all owners of the property, or an eaplanation
given why this is not the case. {c) Responsibility for any defect in the praceedings
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and
property owners of property iei qu�stion, belongs to the undersigned.
A sketeh o£ proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the
folloiaing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. 5treet Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (iaithin 300 fect).
The undersigned hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this
application are true and correct. -
DATE � 7 SIGNATURE v��i�cc'�..Ij�-� �( ��
(APPLICA\'P)
Date Filed Date of Hcaring
Rlanning Commission Ajmroved City Council Approved
{datec) Acnied (dntes) Dcnicd_
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PROPOS�D EASEMENT VACATION
DESCRIPTIONS
�1. Drainage and Utility Easement over the south 1�.00 feet
of Lots 1 and 2, Block l, as shown on the recorded plat
of ALICE WAVL ADDITION, Anoka,County, Minnesota.
� 2. Drainage and Utility Easement over the south 10.00 feet
and the east 5.0 feet of Lot 3, Block 1, as shown on the
recorded plat of ALICE WALL ADDITION, Anoka County, Minnesota.
�/ 3. Drainage and Utility Easement over the west 5.00 feet of
Lot 4, Block 1, as'shown on �he recdrded plat of ALICE
WALL ADDITION, Anoka County, Minnesota.
I/ 4. Drainage and Utility Easement over the west 5.00 feet of that
part of Lot S, Block 1 which lies north of the easterly ex-
tension of the south line of Lot 3, said Block 1; and the
West 10.00 feet of that part of Lot 5, Block 1 which lies
south o£ the easterly extension of the south line of Lot 3, .
said Block 1 as shown on the recorded plat of ALICE WALL
ADDZTIOI3, Anoka County, Minnesota.
� 5. Drainage and Utility Easement over the west 10.00 feet of
Lot 6, Block 1, as shown on the recorded plat of ALTCE S9ALL
ADDITION, Anoka County, Diinnesota.
� 6. Drainage and Utility Easement over the west 10.00 feet of
Lot 7, Elock 1, as shown on the recorded plat of ALICE
S^7ALL ADDITION, Anoka County, Minnesota.
t� 7. All that part of the Drainage and Utility Easement on
���o Lot 24, Block 1, as shown on the recorded plat of ALICE
✓efiFi�v �k�o WALL ADDITION, Anoka County, Minnesota, which lies west of
�Q�y a�,�� a line drawn parallel with and distant 356.0 fee£ east of
r��� �,�eM�,�;, the most westerly line of said �ot 24 and its northerly
n,qsa , extension.
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RCGULAR MEETII�G OF OC706ER 24, 1977 PAGE 2
OROINANCE N0. 665 - AMENDI�lG THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE, CNAPTER 901 ENTITLE� PEf7AlTIES,
SELT-f011 90 . AND 90 .U5 AISF E 3�{T1ffdEHTS: � � �
MOTION by Councilman Schneider to waive the second reading of-0rdinance No. 665 and
adopt ii on the second reading and publish. Seconded by Councilwoman Kukowski. Upon
a voice vote, al.l voting aye, Playor P1ee declared the motion carried unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS•
RECEIVltiG PLAIlNING COM4ISSION MEETING IAINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 28, 1977:
HOT104 by Councitwoman Kukowski ta receive the minutes of September 28, 1977. 'Seconded
by Councilman Schneider. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Ptayor Nee declared the
motion carried unanimously.
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RECEIVING PLANNING CONFIISSION MEE7ING MINUTES OF DC706ER 5, 1977: � �
NOTION by Councilman Schneider to receive the minutes of Dctober 5, 1977. Seconded
by Counci7woma.n Kukmoski. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Nee declared the
motion carried u�animously. _ , _
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LY NOUSING COMPLEX PLANS AND COnSIDfRASION OF
�ir. Sobiech, Pu61ic Works Director, briefly explained the plans for the developinent
of property generalty bounded by 7th Street, 63rd Aven�e, 5th Street, and Mississippi
Street. He explained the complex would consist of housing for senior citizens and
92 family-type units. The family-type units would contain a.total of 71 structures
consisting of 41, 1 bedroan units; 39, 2 bedroom units and 12, 3 bedroom units. �
Mr. SoSiech indicated the staff is.worY.ing closely with the developer to ensure preper
recreational facilities on the site anE appropriate berming, screenirg, and landscaping
of tne ponding area.
Mr. So6iech explained several of the structures would encroach on the existing drainage
and utility easc•ment; however, no problems are anticipzted. He stated :he alignrnent
of the easement rras based on a previous proposal for use of the property.
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Mr..Sobiech explained they are working with the developer and Rice Creek k'atershed �:.` - -- -{
-- ,- -.=D�strici=regarding'the amount rof property to be retained for drainage purposes and I
. fett if the encroachment was approved, vacation proceedings should follow, arter a
_ determination is made on the exact tocation of the structures, and any damage to the +
�_ .9arages from flooding Hould 6e the responsibility of fhe owner.� �� I
• Councilman Hamernik stated, as 7ong as no dwellings are 3eopardized in the final �
•olans, he would have no objection to the encroachment. „
�M07SON by Councilman Hameroik to allaa the request for encroachment of structuret into �
. _� the drainage and ut9lity easement with the <+�m lation that the rea iqnment of the
draina9e and utility easement be conpteted[throuqh aeprcpriatr vacation proceedings as
_. soon as the location of the structures is determined; further, the owner be liable for i
any structural damage or personal property damage from any flooding which might ottur. '
Seconded by Gouncilman Schneider Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor K�e declared i
the moYian carried unanimously. _
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RECEIYING REPORT REGARDING 971 PLANS FOR ANOKA CDUNTY FROM MR ROBERT SCARIETT: � I!
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- ���Mr. Qureshi, City Manager,�stated the report regarding tfiis plan has been supplied -� ' ';
� � by Anoka County and tney ace requesting any cor.unents from the City. Mr. Qureshi� �� � �I
, stated Mr. Scarlett fron �the Ftetropolitan Council was here this�evening to review the. - � li
� reporL and answer any Guestions the Louncil may have.- � �-�-
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� ' Mn Scarlett stated 911 'is proposed as�a universal emergency oumber. He stated in � �
the State of Minnesota there are currently about 11 cities that have this service. He �I
explained a citizen dialing 911 would have his call answered in Anoka County for
. � . disDatching of ihe necessary emergency resources. He stated the capabilities of the ;i
, 911 systen is automatic identification of Lhe num6er the person is calling from and ;�
the locatioa of the callin9 party.. ' ��
In reply to a question by Mayor Nee regarding financing, Mr. Scarlett stated the
Le9islature is currently considering three alternatives. One would be 2o contirue
fUr�ds fro� the General Fund; the second wou7d be to have subscribers pay directly;
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PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING
DECEMBER 12, 1979
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Barbara Hughes called the December 12, 1979, Parks & Recreation
Cornmission meeting to order at 7:33 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Barbara IIughes, Jan Seeger, Betty Mech, Dave Kondrick,
Dick Young '
Members Absent; None
Others Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director
Gonnie McMillion, Program Supervisor
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 14, 1979, PARKS & RECREATION COhA1LSSI0N MINUTES:
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NOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded.by Ms. Mech, to approve the November 14, 1979,
Parks & Recreation Conmiission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, a11
voting aye, Chairperson Hughes declared the motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
The following items were added to the agenda:
"Communication - Springbrook Nature Center Foundation" - Item G
under Director's Report
"Winter Playground Program" - Item B under New Business
Ms. Hughes declared the agenda approved as aznended.
I. DIRECTOR'S REPORT:
A. 1480 Meeting Dates
Mr. Boudreau stated the Commission members had received a copy of Che
meeting dates for 1980. He stal'ed the:Commission members should make a
motion to receive these as the official meeting dates for 1980.
MO'1'ION by Ais. Seeger, seconded by Mr, Kondrick, to receive the "1950 Parks
& Recreation Counnission Meeting Dates". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairperson fiughes declared the motion carried unanimously.
PARKS & RECREATION CONL*iISSION MEETZNG DECEMBER 12, 1979 - PAGE 2
B. Proposed Property Development - 69th & Universitx:
Mr. Boudreau stated he would give the Commissioners a brief report on
the status of the Sears Property at 69th and liniversity, Twenty-one acres
were purchased with LAWCON monies, and they now rank second for another
$200,000 for the development of that property.
Mr. Boudreau stated he had been to the FYSA meeting, and the FYSA has whole-
heartedly endorsed the development of the property with a donation of $5,000.
ile had also just presented this plan to the VFW, asking them for $50,000, and
he would not know for another month what their final vote would be.
Mr. Boudreau stated that in his presentation, he starts out by showing a map
of where the land is located. He states one reason this parcel of land was
picked was because it ties in with the Rice Creek West Trail System proposed
by Anoka County, which will come from the Chain of Lakes down along Rite Creek,
through Lock Park, through the land they wish to develop, across-the tracks,
and on south to connect with the Minneapolis Bikeway/Walkway System. Another
is the central location and access availability to all residents.
Mr. Boudreau stated this total parcel of land was about 40 acres. The City pur-
chased 21 acres, and the County purchased the remainder. The City purchased this
land wi[h LAWCON funds. The City had to match the LAWCON monies of $53,000.
The $63,000 came from easement monies from NSP, because NSP is putting up an
additional power line across the park area. The City will use the remainder
of the easement monies as a match for the second $200,000 grant they should
have in April or June.
Mr. Boudreau showed the Co�ission members a map of the proposed Fridley
Co�unity Park. Ha stated he felt it was a well conceived plan. Along with
this total package is a recreation center that would have an indoor swi�ing
pool, a double-sized gymnasium, arts and crafts rooms, etc.--a total co�unity
center to service not only the residents of Fridley, but also some of the
surrounding communities.
Mr. Boudreau stated they have City Council's permission that if any group
or individual wants to donate $50,000, that group or individual can attach
its name to one of the six ball fields.
Mr. Boudreav stated he had little negative response from the two groups he
had given this presentation to. The question of vandalism was raised, and
he hoped that the vandalism would be Less, although there really was not that
much vandalism in Fridley.
Mr. Kondrick asked what Mr. Boudreau anticipated in increased maintenance
cost.
Mr. Boudreau stated that he did not think there would be an increase in
maintenance cost.
PARKS & RECREATION COI4iyffSSION MEETING, DEL'EMAER l2, 1979 PAGE 3
C. Seatus Report - North Park Nature CenCer Facility:
Mr. Boudreau stated that the City Council did authorize the advertisement
£or bids for construction of the nature centsr building. He stated that
Mr: Boardman had met again this week with the architect, and Mr. Boardman
may want to bring the Canmission up to daCe on this information.
Mr. Boardman stated they are finalizing the building design now. The architect
is putting together the spec drawings which should be done by December 18.
They wi11 be going out to contractors probably the first of the year and are
looking at opening bids around February 20. They feel they will, get the best
type of bids during the winter. They are anticipating the actual building
cost to be around $325-335,000. �.,
Mr. Boudreau stated that, along with this, he would also cover Item G-
Springbrook Natuze Center Foundation. He stated that the Commission members
had a letter dated November 29 from Vern Moen, Chairman of the Springbrook
Nature Center Foundation, which ouClined tha accomplishments to date as set
out in their original plan. They have decided that they have completed their
original plan for the Springbrook Nature Center Foundation and mi11 become
a support group,for the Nature Center by means of being friends of the Nature
Center and in attempting to fulfill some program activities. They have also
chosen not to renew the five-year lease on that parcel of property.
Mr. Boudreau stated the only action he felt the Commission needed to do at this
time was to receive the letCer. The City Council would be receiving this
letter at their regular meeting on December 17.
MOTION by Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Young, to receive a letter dated
November 29, 1979, from Vern Moen, Ghaimzan, Springbrook Nature Genter
Foundation, to Mayor William Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairperson Hughes declared the motion carried unanimously.
D. Status Report - Comprehensive Plan:
Mr. Boardman stated the City Council has tabled the Comprehensive P1an
at this time. He stated they are going to press the City Council at their
next meeting to send the Plan out to the surrounding communities.
Mr. Boudreau stated Chat Virgil Herrick had raised a legal question aUout
some of the rezoning that was included in the Comprehensive Plan. There
, are legal questions that need to be resolved,
Mr. Boardman stated there was still a six-month hearing process they had
to go through with adjacent comnunities. They wi11 be reco�ending thaC
the CiCy Council go ahead and start the pxocess by sending out the Plan
to the other canmunities, and then they will work out the details with
Mr. Herrick during this yeriod of time.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING BECEMBER 12, 1979 - PAGE 4
E. Status Report - Critical Areas Plan:
Mr. Boardman stated that the Critical Areas Plan was approved by City
Council to be submitted to the Minnesota Environmental Quality $oard. That
had been done. He stated there is now a process where the Minnesota
Enviromaental Quality Board reviews the plan, the Metropolitan Council
reviews it, and they either approve it or make comments for the City
Council to change the pLan.
F. Communication - Independent School District 14:
Mr. Boudreau stated that the Commission members received this information
in their packet. It told the complete story of where the City was right now
with the.School District. He stated the City Council did vote to appoint
two City Council members to try and resolve the F.E.S.T. issue and the use
of school facilities. These two Council members are Bob Barnette and
Cheryl Moses. He stated that, as far as he knew, these people had not yet
met.
Mr. Boudreau stated his only reaction to the communication received fros� the
School District was that they took the complete year's vandalism and blamed
it on the F.E.S.T. program. He felt some very unfair co�ents were made by
the writer of the documentation that went to the School Board, and he would
have hoped that this writer wouid have had the "clout" (the term used in the
documentation) to at least sign his/her name.
Mr. Young stated that, as a junior high teacher and having a Masters Degree
in Jr. High education, he would like to get some recommendations from
School District 14 of just what they felt were appropriate activities for
junior high children. Having worked with that age level for ten years, he
found fault with what they had said.
MOTION by Ms. Seeger, seconded by Ms. Mech, to receive the communications
from the School District 14 regarding the F.E:S.T. program. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Rughes declared the motion carried
unanimously.
The Cownissioners raised their concern about Councilman Barnette being
appointed to the committee to resolve the F,E.S.T. issue because of a
possible conflict of interest since he was a teacher in School District 14.
II. CHAIRPERSON`S REPORT:
Ms. Hughes stated she had nothing to report at this time.
III. NEW BUSINESS:
A. Personal Philosophv - Connie Mchiillion:
Ms. McMillion stated she would first.like.to give the Commissioners a brief
description of her background.
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in pain, so she transferred to recreational therapy. Even though she was alile
to help people and do good things f.or them, she found out recreational therapy
was boring and moriotonous. So, she broadened into the field of recreaCion.
After graduation from the U of M, she spent a lot of time running camps during
the summers. She stated thzt as a child, she had grown up in the YMCA and so
she felt she had the best chance of starting her career in the YMCA. She
started at the Minneapo�is YMCA, I�i_awatha Branch, and the Urban West Central
Branch, which are in South Minneapolis in the inner city area. She was in-
volved in parent/c4ild and family programming, athletic leagues, the Church
Athletic Association, and things like that. She was also involved with infor-
mal education--crafts and arts. Then she decided to leave Minneapolis and �
went to Muscatine, Iowa. She went from a no-facility YMCA to a full facility
YMCA with a residence. 5he also worked with prison reform and was, (a work
release) officer. � . -
PSs. McMillion stated that after te.o years in Muscatine, she decided she was
at a deadend witl� the YMCA �nd was not able to Ue as creative as she wouid like
because of the.YMCA's financial problems. She wanted to get into something
different, and she felt municipal was where it was at, so she came to Fri3ley.
ris. McMillion stated she felt her philosophy was a little bit different because
of her YMCA Chrisr.i.an ori.entation and she had `urou�;ht a lct of tnat into the
FridleY Programs. ____ _------.._,_..
hZs. McMillion stated that oue of the thines she really feels racreation
needs is a definite set-down philoeophy, One of the things she thought
recreation should do is enrich the quality of life by providing constructive
and creative leisure opportunities for people of all ages, races, religions,
and social class backgrounds. She thought a city, YM�,A, or anyone involved
in recreational programming has to have a lot of different outlets.
Ms. McMillion stated that recreation ltas to contribute to the phyGical health
and development, social adjustment, and emotional wellbeing of a person.
She felt one way she had helped nurture thaC a little bit more in Fridley was
through the fitness program.
Ms. McMillion stated that recreation nas to provide leadership in preserving
and improving the physical environment by setti:ig aside open space, developing
a network oi gre.en areas, and joinin� in the total ef£ort to protect both
land and water resources,
Ms. Mc?4i11ion stated she felt recreation has to contxibute Co the economic
health of the community by providing needed facilities and progra_ms that
st:rengthen community life and neighborhood stability, thus mak3ng it more
attractive for residents and people coming in from oueside the c m�munity.
Ms. McMillion stated she feels Fridley has one of [he best parks systems she
has seen in a11 the places she has worked and traveled, because all those
within the department work as a team and complement one.another. She thought
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Pridley was becoming one of the most recognized recreation departments in
the metropolitan area and the state.
Ms.'McMilliou stated that one of the other things she felt she has brought
to Fridley in the line of building community life and neighborhood stability
is family progra�ning. She is looking at things like family fitness programs,
family outings, family crafts, and family movies.
Ms. N,cMillion stated another secCion of her philosophy would be to enrich
the social integration and unity of the community by providing the opportunity
for neighborhood residents of different social or ethnic backorounds to work
and plan together to meet common needs. This goes along with the idea of
cooperative programming. Maybe the City of Fridley should serve as the
core with other agencies using them and cooperating with them. Along the
same lines, the neighborhood programs can help neighborhood stability and
help to get people more involved in getting to know their neighbors. She
feels they need to get more involved in neighborhood activities.
Ms. McMillion stated she felt recreation can have a very strong influe�ce
on reduction of.antisocial and delinquent behavior by offering constructive
foxvis of leisure activity, healthy group associations, and desirable social
values.
Ms, MeMillion stated that recreation should meet the special needs of the
dif£erent minority groups, especial].y the poor and senior.:.citizens, by
provfding recreational facilities and programs, cultural pzograms, job training
pro�ranrs, and you*_h counseling programs. She stated that right now the
senior citizens are one of her big responsibilities and she is really involved
with them.
Ms. McMillion staCed that at the heart of any organized recreation service,
it should provide a challenge and be a happy_time. It should be fun and.
creative and really make people feel they are expanding their horizons. As
a result, recreation can have a real impact an a person's health,
Ms. McMillion stated she would like to ta].k a little about leadership. She
felt leadership is the whole basis of any recreational program. A Facility
should only supplement the program; the program should never 6e dependent
on a faciliCy. One thing she feels is important in any principle of leader-
ship is to have a very sound philosophy of recreation. Another thing ihat has
to be ingrained in those with leadership potential is dedication to the
principle of involvement. Training is very important. She stated effecEive
leader:�hip depends upon the 2eader's insight into a person and a person's
behavior. A leader has to be able to relate to individual differences in
people and recognize differences in situations. A leader also has to have
a good organizational struc[ure tor effective operation.
Ms. McMillion stated one of the last things she wanted Co mention was the
values education. One thing she has seen 1n Fridley is a very strong athletic
association, One excitieg thing that
is coming around i� that it is more important Lor children to be involved in
PAIZKS & R�CREl.TION COy1hffSSION MSETING DEC�MBER 1'l., 197R - PAG� 7
learning to have fun learning the game, learning cooperation and.team
sportsmanshi.p, than learning the skills. Sane children are just never good
in a sport, but they should sti11 be involved in a group activity. If you .
are going to be involved in pro�ramming for children or adults on the sports
level or informal education level, it is very imporCant that you have
different levels the children or adults can go through. She felt this
needed to be done with more of the activities.
Mr. Kondrick stated that he approved and shared Ms. McMillion's concern for
family philosophy and the need for more activities for the entire family.
Ms. Hughes thanked Ms, McMillion for sharing heY philosophy with the CoQmission.
She stated that this was proving to be very worthwhile. It was helping the
Commission members get better acquainted with Staff and gave the Coaanission.a
better idea of what is going on.
B. Winter Playground Program•
Mr. Young expressed his concern about the $5 registration fee for the 3-day „
Winter Playground Program versus the $8 for the entire Su�er Playground Program.
He stated it may be financially very hard at this time of year for families
with several children, He suggested that possibly thep should consider a
family rate.
Ms. i�icMillion stated that the idea of a family rate was an excellent one.
She stated that one of the reasons the winter playground was more expensive
was because it was at one location with many activities planned. More children
are involved in the summer program to cover l-he cost while there are fewer
children in the winter program to cover the cost.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Ms
voice vote,
December 12,
9:49 p.m.
. Seeger, seconded by Ms. Mech, to adjourn the meeting. Upo.n a
all voting aye, Chairperson Barbara Hughes declared the
1979, Parks & Recreation Co�ission meeCing adjourned at
Respectfully sub itted,
,7' Y(�.
Lynne Saba -
Recording Secretary
"DRRE�'T SUBJECT TO FItvAL APYROVAL"
BNVIRONhll3NTAL QUALITT CO�II4ISSION
MBETING
DECEMBER 18, 1919
CALL TO OIdDER:
Chairperson ,Tim Langenfeld called the Environmental Quality Commission
meeting of December 18, 1979, to order at 7:40 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Preseitt: Jim Langenfeld, Marvin Hora, Bruce Peterson, Lee Ann Sporre,
Connie Metcalf
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
Dary1 Korpela, MPCA Implementation Program Administrator,
� Noise Section
1.PPP.OVAL OF NOVEPIEER 20, 1979, ENVIFO:'�;`�:'TAL QUALITY CC'��IISSTON MINUTES:
IdOTTOb? by M:. Pete.rson, seconded bv Ms. Sporre, to approve the PTovember 20, 1979,
Environmental Quality Cor,unission minutes.
Mr. Peterson indicated that on page 3, in the motion at the bottom of the page,
"all voting aye" should be deleted.
Mr. Langenfeld referred to page 3, first paragraph, and asked Ms. Sporre:
to clarify what "ground time" meant.
Ms. Sporre stated that "ground time" was the time of the passenger from the
airport to the final destination.
Mr. Langenfeld referred to the motion made on the bottom of page 5 where he
was requested by the Commission to write a letter to John Rutford of
Metropolitan Council. He asked Mr. Deblon to write the letter, Mr. Deblon
agreed to write the letter.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON LANGENFELD DECLARED THE
MiA'UTES AYPRO�IED AS A2fENDED.
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1. NPC-S AIRPCAT NOISY, PCRMIT:
Mr, Defilon i_ntroduced PCA staff repiesenta_tive� Darrl Kor�ela� r.fio iaas pYesent
to answer questions on the gropr,sed NPC-S Airpoxt Noi.se �esmit,
Mr. Korpela stated that the NPC-5 Airport Noise Permit had been revised on
Uecember 12, 1979. He handed out copies of the NPC-5 Airport Noise Permit,
Draft II.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Hora, to receive NPC-5 Airport Noise
Permit, Drafl' II, daY.ed December 12, 1979. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairperson Lar.genfeld declared the motion carried unanimously.
Idr. Korpela stated that this draft had not yet been proposed to the Board. It
was prepared by A1 Perez and himself and was reviewed by their aEtorney. Tney
wou].d be meeting with Terry Hoffman, Executive Director of the Agency, on
Friday morning to discuss this draft further. With her approval, they will
put forth this draft to the Board, hopefully, in January.
Mr. Korpela stated Chat the original NPC-5 was a two-part �ermit in which
there was an installaticn permit and an operating permit. Tt!e major change
thep had made was to dx•on the operati.Zg permit and 'nave unly an installation
permit. This •aas 3ene for se�erai reasnr,s.
Mr. Korpela stated that there were sever.al other ch�nges. They had redefined
!'Airport". They wanted to :imit the imp�ct of tne permit to Che airperts whue
they itnoa� they now have problems�or imnedie.te potential prob2ems. ?`:ie rezsoa was
they did not want to get an overwhelming number of permits flowing in when
there are only two of them on staff to review perr.�its. They wanted to make it
legally unquestionable. It was much easier to do that caith an installation
permit rather than an operatino permit. Operating permits, althuugh they did
feel they were standing on 1ega1 ground and their attorney did suppcirt them,
they felt there would be more opgosition and they felt they cou13 accomplish
the same thing with the installation permit only.
Mr. Korpela stated that some �f the language had been changed. One of the
most important changes was the .redefining of "Modification" on page 1 under
Definitions.
Mr. Korpela stated that after the Commission had ticie to look this over, he
would welcome any sudgestiar�s or recommended changes since this was stillin
the draft stage. Even though they wuuld be meeting wil-h Ms. Hoffman on
Priday, there was st�11 tiuie for r�visions Uefore they go to the Board.
Mr. Korpela stated they went with the insc•r.11stien permit, and the reason
they felt it could do the job as we11 as the operal'ing permit, was because
this doesn't require any permit until an airport changes. As soon as an
airport wants to make any changes �efined under "Modifications", it will. need
a permiC. The catch to the perndC is the airport has Co show ccmpllancA c.ith
State Noise Standards.
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Mr. Korpela staeed that if Twin Cities International Airport or any other major
problem airports in the state right now did not have any modifications from
now on, they would never need an installation permit. Eut, that is not
realistic, because there will be modifications. Airports are usually in a
constant stage of mcdification of some type.
Mr. Peterson asked that when an airport makes a modification, would the permit
control only that modification?
Mr. Korpela stated that the permit would protect the whole operation. The
airport has to shoca compliance with State Noise Standards. He stated that is
the key to why this is a workable permit (See page 4, it`3 Decision)
He stated that Ms. Sporre had asked a question earlier about defining Decision
and who makes these decisions. Installation permits would come to the Noise
Section to be reviewed by A1 Perez and himself. They would make a recommenda-
tion, but the actual decision on whether permits would be granted would be made
by the nine-member citizens' Board which is the MPCA.
Mr. Hora stated that the "Ageiicy" as referred to in the NPC-5 Airport Installa-
tio�.z Permit was defined as the nine-memher Board. The MPCA sCaff with the
F.�;ecutive Director is almost a total separate entity from the "l�gency".
Mr. Kurpela stated that "Agency" is defined under NPC-1 and that is the reason
it is aot. redc:fined in NPC-5. So, the "Agency" is the nine-member Board and
Ch� final decisions are made by them.
Ms. Metcali stared that a permit is required for "airports at which there are
�30,000 e: more anacat operations" (iii, page 3). 4,'hich airports did that
include?
Mr. l:orpela stated that would cover a11 the metropolitan airports, and that
is the reason why the num6er, 90,000, is used.
tifs. Sporre stated that the 90,000 wasn't based on potential noise problems.
Mr. Korpela stated that for potential noise problems, what catches that more
than the 90,000 was the other t�ao categories: ^(i) airports which are served
by schedul.ed air service of certified air carriers"; and "(ii) airports with
home-based jet aircraft or with facilities to fuel and service jet aircraft."
Mr. Peterson asked P1r. Korpela to explain "E�:emptions" on page 8.
Mr. Korpela stated that they felt the "Exemptions" were.reasonaUle, because
if an airport has already sCarted construction, they can't ask that airport
to get a permit before the law is in effect.
Ms, Sporre stated that in the case of Anoka County Airport, would their
prpposai consCitute commencement of a modificat3on?
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Mr. Korpela stated L'hat "To commence construction" o�as defined on page 1,
Item 6, and a proposal was not commencing construction.
Mr. Hora asked wha� the timeframe was on the permit.
Mr. Korpela stated that if this went to the January Board meeting; they wouLd .
then have to publish in the State Registrar and provide 60-day notice for
conmient, and then schedule a public hearing, so they were looking at a minimum
of four months, but six months was more realistic.
`rfr. Korpela stated that the Airport Advisory Committee has met twice with them
on the ori.ginal ATPC-5 draft, but has not reconvened for the latest draft.
Courtnents were received from three agencies: Metropolitan Council, Metropolitan
Airport Commission, and MnDOT. The comments were nearly all identical in that
all the agencies feYt such a permit �aas illegal and unnecessary. At both
meetings they requested any suggestions or alternative approaches to solve the
airport noise problem, but no alternatives were suggested by these agencies.
Mr. Korpela stated they have heard thaz the FAA (Federal Aviation Association)
will be responding, but to date they have not received any couunen*s from them.
Ms. Sporre asked what the Airport Advisory Committee's role was in reco�ending
to the MPCA.
A1r. Korpela stated that the Ccmmittee's role �oas �u�t s�ggestion; to tt:em aa
staff and stasf would mal;e the r.ecos�mendatians to the Bosxd. ??c s:atec t'�ey
caill he s�nding out netices te the me�bers o. the r1iYj>Oi"t AdVicor� �o�ic�e�
so that Covunittee wiZ1 hare the opportunity tc address tni� Boar.d anci e:;prass
their concerns.
Ats. Sporre stated she had talked to Mark Ryaa of the Transportatiori Departmeat,
and he told her th�t he felt nothing would get accomplished if this law was
passed in tenns of transportation facilities. What was Mr. Korpela's feeling
on thatt
Mr. Korpela stated that, i.n some respects, yes, because any airport isn't
going to be able to raMpantly expan.d without going through a permit procedure:
The permit procedure is going to slow that down somewhat. In Che cases where
it is not going to be creating a noise prob�em, the pexmit procedure sLculd
be really quick. I.t would not be true to say i[ would be speeding up airports'
expansions or modifications.
Ms. Sporre asked Mr. Korpela to explain what t-he StaYe Noise Standards are
and what people can e�;pect as a ceiling of noise.
M:. Korpela stated that the State Noise Standards are NPG 1 anc3 2 as adopted
fn 1974. Since 1974, they have not changed, but are now under review. T.he
staff is not proposing any changes. As of noco, they ha.ve nct received any
comments, but know they will be receiving commer,ts from MnDOT, Alinnesol-a Power &
Light, Northern States Power, aud the Airpor.t Advisory Covnnittee,
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Ms. Sporre askecl if decibel levels were set.
Mr. KorpeLa stated that as of now [hey are ac*_�.ng under NPC-1 which does set
�leFiniCe levels. They are receiver-ba,e3 standards. In other words, the
standard depends on the receiver and not on the emitting-type of source.
The receiver that is most stringently protected is residential-type use.
There is an L10 level of 65 in the da}time and L50 level of 60 in the daytime.
At night those levels are both dropped by 10 dba and become 55 and 50 respectively.
Mr. Korpela stated that under state 1aw, you are permitted to exceed 6S dba,
provided it is not exceeded for more than 1�/, of the time during any given
hour, which breaks down to six minutes. If you exceed 65 dba for five minutes
out of any given hour, you are within compliance of the State Noise Standards,
For those five minutes, there is no ceiling. The state law does not have a
maximum noise level, referred to as 'T, Max.".
Ms. Sporre stal-ed that seemed totally unreasonable, because the ability. to
enjoy a nighl''s sleep or picnic in the backyard could hinge on some kind of
peaceful continuity.
Mr. Kcrpela stated that while the state regulations are open for review, the
Com�nistii.on might want to make the comment that the State should also have a
maximum noise level. He stated he saw the need for one.
b;s. Sgo.re asked how far s`rom comoliance with t.?e State Noi.se Stai.dards wa,
Twin Cities International Airport pre.sently using terms li'.te noise maps
and receiving iand areas.
Mr. Korpela stated it was their feelir.g that by using different patterns cf .
disbursing the planes, Twin Cities International could come into compliance
tomurro�a. The reaspn they feel they can make that statement is because they
new have areas where at about the worst level they have measured L18 of 65.
Ia other words, at the worst locations, 65 is being exceeded 18% of any hour.
If they could split up half the traffic on a noise basis and send hz:lf the
trsffic on another runway, they would meet the State N'oise Stanciards.
Mr. Korpela stated that the noise standards do work. He has been with the
NIPCA for I'� years, and AI Perez has been with the MPCA siiice the Noise
Section's inception in i974. In no case when the noise standards are being
met have they found people unsatisfied with the noise levels. That is the
main reason they are not proposing any changes at this time.
t•1s. Sparre asl:ed why nothing has been done about 'Fwin Cities International's
exceeding the State Noi�e Standards.
Mr. Rorpela stated thaT was a good question, and the�r.coulcl do something ab,o�at
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reason for things
He stated they
they now have that defined tightl�y, """"
Ms. Sporre stated the Commission has a concern in their area about the quality
of life being upset by additional aircraft caning to the Anoka County Airport.
Based on the idea that NPC-5 would be approved, it would allow the Anoka County
Airport to go to the same noise level as Twin Cities InCernational and all
other airports in the state.
Mr. Korpela stated, no, because Twin Cities International is now in violation
of State Noise Standards. Anoka County Airport could legally go up to the
State Pioise Standards. Without differential noise standards, they can not
prohibit that.
Ms. Sporre asked how the Metropolitan Airports Commission could bring Twin
Cities International into compliance caith State Noise Standards.
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Mr. Korpela stated the main way they could do it immediately was by 'ishurs�-
utilizing all runw�s dur,.np therUusiest hours. They could also institute
� di �enfia�lanc�in� fees. It was the MPCA's feeling Cfiat *7AC could impose a
scric_ t n� �eht-time cL• Pm. Tl�ey could require all planes to use the fiorth�:est
Airli.nes take-off procedure. Northwest has utilized a much quieter taice-ufi
procedrre than any ather airlinzs. Besides being quieter, :t also saves fuel.
*1s. Sporre asked what control the Metropoli.tan Airoorts Coir�nission has on
a+fiic5 take-off procedure is ::sed.
Mr. Korpela stated it was their feeling that the Metropolitan Airports
Coumiission could require a11 airlines using that airport to utilize the
Nortliwesr_ take-of£ procedure, although the Metropolitan Airports Con,mission
argues that they cannot.' One of the things that is certain to happen if
this permit is adopted is that there wi11 be a public hearing and a 1ot of
questions that are now being argued back and forth will Ue.clarified.
Ms.. Metcal£ asked Mr. Korpela to explain how curfew, disbursal of runways,
and preferential landing fees could cut noise.
Mr. Korpela stated that the disbursal pa[L-ern utilized all the runways to
the fullest extent during the busiest hours. T�hcFpre,�,�en�ial.,,z.ua?aay�-s3stem,
was excel.lent, but_.brea,ks_down. evex} tim� _%}���.,zs„.,a,��� hour, usually z��erp
�iiean'-" s tie unpopulated areas are gettir.g the noise rather than the ponuiated
areas. One of tlie proUlems with the disbursal plan is the need for mor.e
control tower personnel. The difierenl-ia1 7.aciding fees are on tlie noiseness
of the aircraft.
ENVIRONNff:NTAL QUALI:I'Y :ON„tISSION MEE'PING DECEPIIlER 18, 1979 - PAGE 7
Ms. Sporrc asked if the Metropolitan Airports Commission had responded to Che
feasibility of dlsbursing the traffic using all ttte runways.
Mr. Korpela stated that the Metropolitan Airports Commission has said that it
cannot ba done, but have not given a reason. However, they did set up stipula-
tions that no plane exceeding a certain noise level and weighing more than
"x" amount of pounds can ur.ilize Flying Cloud Airport.
Ms. Sporre asked Mr. Korpela if he would give the Commisei,on same idea of the
process t3iat is going to be used and how he feels this area can be involved
in support of this type of ordinance.
Mr. Korpela stated that if the Cemmi.ssion wished.to do so, the i�ediate thing
they could do was draft a letter to Terry Hoffman, Executive Director.of the
MPC.A, endorsing the concept of the permit. He stated that after the meeting
with Ms. Hcffman on Friday, they would keep in touch with the. Coumiission as to
when this would go before the Board. He stated it would be very beneficial
for the Comv�ission to appear at the Board meeting and address their support
at that L-ime.
Ms. MeYCalf state3 she would be for a blanket endorsement of the permit, but
she �;ould first like to hear the industry's or the Metropolitait Airports
Coaunission's viewpoint on this Qroposal, because she was sure they would have
vaiid oUjectio:is or Qll°_SC10?':S.
PfOTION BY i93_ ci02'�1 SECONDFD By MR, P5T'ERSON T}�AT THE ENVIRONMEN'�AL QUALITY
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f.0P4ffSSZGi7 SLi�t�3:%.T A LLTi:cR TO :L'SRX TiCtFF'MAN; E:zF.'CU'TI:.�F. llIRECTOR Or THE MPCA,
GZVING I.� �LP?ORT �'t� :P.:: i.hZ'i:ST ;�EiiSZON QF Tii3 l�PC-5 NOISE PERMIT, fidAT THEY
SUPPORT TYZS TYI�c, 6F� REGL7.:iTIOAT. A?i�D TO LRGE TH� AGENCY TO PBOCEED WITH ALL
Mr. Kor�ela suggesred that this letter be written to both Terry Hoffman and
Art Enge.lbrecht, Chaixman of the Eoard.
The Conmissian asl;ed Mr. Pebinn tc write this ietter on behalf of the Co�mission.
A 6'OiC�
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A1VD SPORRE VOTING AYE
Ms. Sporr.z staf:ed that she falt the L.Y^ was very weak, and she thought thaC
left tlie door of�en i'or so�e real �x'obiems to exist. She felt there needed
to be sonx teeCh in that peri.od oi ti�:.� that now 4as no nolse limits, and
she wou2d 1il.c the CoL�nissi.on to state chat pusitton.
biz. Rarpela stated that if the Ca�umission feels strongly about that, he would
encoursge them to �ubn:it a:etter i:i ti:a?• regard to Mr. Perez ar.d himself.
Tt sheula ue a separate letter £rom rhe one writ*_e.t regarding che NPC-5 Noise
Penuit .
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Mr. Peterson asked about enforcement of the noise permit. After the permit
is issued, what kind of monitoring would be done to maLe sure permit conditions
are being met; and, if the airport is not meel'ing the state standards, what
type of action would be taken? He did not see anything in the NPC-5 regarding
enforcement.
Mr.Korpela stated they would have to monitor to find a violation. Their
monitoring is usually done upon a complaint, except at Twin Cities International
where there is an ongoi.ng monitoring program. After monitoring and finding a
violation, they would go to court on that basis.
Mr. Hora stated there could be self-monitoring as a condition of the permit.
Mr. Peterson stated he was thinking of monthly status reports from the airports
on their various noise levels.
Mr. Korpela stated he would talk to Mr. Perez about that. It was something
they might want Co include in the permit.
Mr. Hora stated that enforcement authority is defined in the State Statutes
and is not necessarily redefined in NPC-5.
Mr. Peterson asked if it would be �aorthwhile fcr the petmit to have a revocation
of permit if ctandards are not mer_, with a referen.ce to the State StatuCes on
eizf orcc:ment .
Mr. Hora stated that the perL!it shvuld state grouads for revocation.
Mr. Korpela stated Chat, again, that was something they mignt want to include
in the permit. � •
MOTION BY MR. HORA, SECONDED BY MS, SPORRE� THAT STAFF SUBPIIT A LETTER ON
BEI1.4T,P OP THE C(7NIND:SSZGN TO hL PEI�'EZ MPCe� IvOISI: SECTION, SUPPOieTING AN "L P1AR"
IIQ TAE REVISION OF NPC-i ANll NPC-2. UPON A VOICE VOTE, fiLL VOTING AYE,
CHAIRPERS�N LANGENFELD DECLARED THS MOTION CAP�RIED UNAIQIMOUSLY.
2. CONTINUED: TRUNK HIGHWAY 10/NOR7'H CROSSTOWDI;
Mr. Deblon stated that the Commissioner af .II1 Dot has chosen relocated l0.as the
route to be constructed. He stated that day he and Ms. Sporre had attended the latest
the Norl'h Management Commititee meeting. He stated there seemed to be some
confusion as far as the decision made on the relocation of T.H. 10 in regard
to the .ilCernatives of 610 or North Crosstown. The consultant and MnDOT
had discussions on whether they were �oing to eliminate the alternatives that
link up to esisting 10 in Cheir draft report and what might be some of the
pitfalls i£ they did that. They had always approached it as a separate'•pro�ect,
and had decided it was in the best intcxest to continue it as a separate project,
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Tney would continue with all the alternatives„ even the ones that would link .....,._
up to Che er.isting Highway 10. They did propose an alternative where
they could leave 10 alonc (the no-build alternative) and have the 610 North
Crosstown link at Coon Rapids Blvd.
F.NVIRO;dAt�N'PAL QUALI"@Y COMMISSION hiEETING, DT'CP:P;BIiR i8, 1979 - PAGG 9
Mr. Debl.on stated chat [here were four major concerns they touched on.
Mr. Deb7:on stated t}�at one conccrn was the urban policy by President Carter
regard'ing circumferential freeways. PresidenC Carter's stand was thaC the
development should be'back toward the center city and not lend itself to
urbau sprawl wliich freeways tend to do. 11ii.s policy was accompanied by a
memorandum from the 1'ederal Y.ighway Administration and it discussed the policies
and philosophies, energy conservations, etc.
Ms. Sporre stated the imQortant thing that came out of the discussion was that
the consultant, BRW (I3ather, Ringrose & Wolsfeld) said if they would had
that Urban 7mpact Policy a year a�,o, they would haue said "nothing to the
west". They felt the impact of this decision was so significant that it would
cause them to consider it in the future.
Mr. Deblon stated that a secondconcern of BRW was the Alternatives Analvsis._
This concern related to the earlier discussion of the decision by the Commissioner
of N.nDot to relocate T.H.10. This decision virtually eliminated two alternatives.
Mr. Deblon stated the third concern was the energy concern. Do they need more
highways?
Mr. Deblon stated the fourth concern was municipal review. It was important
for cities to concur with the decisions of development.
Mr. Debion stated they went throu�h the tec�^.i.czl repert schedule wYd ch is a;
follows:
Historic/Archeological Report - They have been cleared oa this.
I�'etlands Assessment Report - Waiting for clearance to make a�aailable
to Covnnittee
Water Resources Report - Meeting �aith MnDOT to review comments
Noise Report - 3rd draft submitted to the FHA
Air Quality Reporl' - The build 10 and no-build 610 was the largest
violation of the Air Quality Repor.t.
Mr. Deblon stated that copies of these reports would be submitted to members
of the P:orth Management Coamiittee and Fridley, and he would make them available
for anyone to review.
Mr. Deblon stated they had the schedule of the draft EIS and other major
steps. This �aas a realistic schedule of where they expected to be by certain
dates. He stated the last thing on the meeting agenda was Interstate
Substitution Comvnittee Progress.
Ms. Sporre stated that Craig Spencer from 2lennepin County said the projects
and the substitution projects will conL-inue and tl�at 610 is one that is
sti1L in consideraCion for substitution funds. 'Lhe question was asked: "What
is the priority?" The answer was that I-94 is first, 610 is second, and the
Osseo bypass is �hird. The fund increases with construction (it comes from
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CON�NiISSZON MBETING, DliCEMBER 18, ].979 - PAGE 10
deEerred projects} because of inflation at 7'/, and is now up to $112 million.
MnDOT sets the priority on where the money goes. So, ehere is now $99 million
that is uncomnitted and l/3 wi11 go to the City of Minueapolis, leaving
$66 million for 610-type projects. They explained that the Transportation
Advisoiy Board of I�tetropolitan Council wi17. decide on where the funds wi11 go.
Their next hurdle is the Transportation Advisory Boards' approval for substi-
tution funds; therefore,it is correct that the Legislature wi11 not have to
decide on it.
Ms. Sporre stated that another thing she felt was really significant at this
meeting was the fact that it appears there is going to be a lawsuit in regard
' to Pleasure Creek. The north route comes right at PLeasure Creek and it is
going to have a significant impact according to the consultant.
Ms. Sporre stated that as far as the land use decision, she was surprised at
the sizeable acreage at ehe University interchange with 610 connecting with
the new route of 10.
Pis. 5porre stated that the Coamiission should continue to watch this as there
are proposals which could definitely affect Fridley.
MOTION by Ms. Sporre, seconded by i�Ir. Hora=to receive the following materials
into the record• �
1. Overall Project Development Schedule
2. BRW - Summary of Traffic L'olume Forecast 1'H 610/TH 252
3. BRW - 12/14/79 - fIistoric/Archeoloe,ical Repert, G?eClands Assessment
Report, Water Resources Repore, Pre2iminary Noise
Report, and Air Quality Report
4. Memo from Federal Highu�ay Administrator dated 10/11/79 regarding
"Improving the Urban Transportation Decision Process"
5. "2iighway $ypass of Dayton, Ohio, Rejected by U.S." - The Wa11 Street
Journal 11/30/79
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE C.HAIRPERSON LANGENFELD DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANI4:OUSLY.
3. FINAL METROPOLTTAN ENVIRONMENTAL SEMINAR ON ENERGY:
MOTION by Ms, Metcalf, seconded by Ms. Sporre, to conr_inue the report on
the Bnergy Seminar at the next meetin�. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting ay�e
Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion carried unanimously.
4. CONTINC7P.D: NTi'C SERVICE STUDY:
rlr. Langenfetd stated that in the report received at the ZasY. meeting, there was
a total deficit listed as $35,980. That caould be the lOd7, subsidy questioned
by the Commissien at the last meeting. '
GNVIRONNISNTAL QUALITY COMMISSZON MEETING, DECEI�BER 18, 1979 - PAGE 11
Mr. Langenfeld stated that at the last meetin�,the Commission made a motion
to support the tincreased bus service on East Aiver Road and had requested
that a letl'er be wri.tten to ,7ohn Rutford at MeLropolitan Council expressing
their concern about the need for lOCP/, subsidy and requesting an explanation
of this need.
Mr. Peterson stated the Commission still did not know the definition of this
subsidy, and that was still his concern also.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that this question would still be forwarded in a letter
to Mr. Rutford.
Ms. Metcalf stated she would like to hear the past history of L-he study done
five years ago on the improved bus service in Fridley.
Mr. Hora stated that this subject of transportation, rather thaa being'discussed
by the Enviro��ental l�uali.ty Co�ission, has more to do with energy and should
probably be discussed by the new Energy Commission or the Community Development
Commission.
5. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. Metropolitan Waste Contr.ol Comcnissioa (PiWCC)
Mr. Hora stated he became concerned about this situation when he heard about
it at a Planning Conunission meetin,. Ae ste.ted that, appsrently, there o�as an
instance before where the MTJCC had been stockpiling sludge behind Gearge Is In
Fridley. MWCC's new proposed program, but not yet finalized, o�as to put clean
demolition fi11 into a depression area of about 6-12 acres, put dirt over it,
and use the sludge as a fertilizer. They want to incorporate an 1-1'� inch of
sludge over thic area, and this sludge would be used as a filter cake sludge,
rather than a primary sludge. There should not be an odor problem, and there
probably won't be any prcablem, but his concem was the amount of inetals and
organic compounds in the sludge and its location to the river. He stated this
appl_ication has been submitted to the Environmental Agency, the Agency has
reviewed it, and is waiting for Anoka County action.
ADJOURNMENT:
D10TION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Sporre, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the
December 18, 1979, Environmental Quality Commission meeting adjourned at
10:32 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Lynn� SaUa
Kecording Secretary
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CALL TO Oli'DER:
Chairman Harris called the January 9, 1980, Planning Commission meeting to order
at 7:45 P.M,
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Harris, Mr. Treuenfels, Mr. Langenfeld, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel
Members Absent: Ms. Aughes
Others Present: Je�rold Boardman, City Planner
Bill Deblon, Associate City Planner
APPROVAL OF D�Cr.�F,BP•.R 19 1979 PLANNIIQG COMMISSION MZNUT�S;
MOTZON by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treueniels, to approve the December 19, 1979,
Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, P1.L VOTING AYE, CNAIRt4AN lIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANI2�10USLY .
1• VACATIOP; RE�liEST, SkV ,~; 79=Q5, QY RICHARD KAH^I: l'acate
the drainage and utiliiy easemerts, a�3 in �locK 1, ATice
Wa71 Flddition: The sou±h 10 feet of f_ots i and 2, over the
south 10 feet and the east 5 feet of Let 3, over the wes±
5{eet of Lot 4> over the r�est 5 feei or Lot 5; whicn lies
north of the east�rly extansion of tre south line of Lot 3,
' an� the �,�est 10 feet of that oar;, of Loi,: 5, which lies south
of tlie easterly extension of the south line of Lot 3, over the
west 1C �eet of Lot fi, over the i•r2st 10 feet of Lot 7, and
; on Lot 2n, which 7ies o�est of a line dras�m para71e1 �•�ith and
distant 356.0 feet east oi the most westeriy line o` said
Lot 24 and its northerly e;.tet�sior.
Mr. Boardman explained these easemants were placed on the glat originally to alYow for
L'he handling of ar.y potential drainage problem. However, the pond that was lo:ated
on tiie final building plan would be capable of handling a 50 year storm and i:he sCaff
ielt that wou7.d Ue a�iequate rirainage. The oarages and townhouses have been bui.lt over
these easements. He further explained gra3ing has L-een cumpleted for the pond ar.d any
furtl�er grading wuuld only be on the residential lots. That gra3ing wculd not affect
the pond size, Mro Boardmaa added the pond would normally h,ve a few areas of stan3ing
water, but basically the pnnd would only have wai:er in it after a rain or meltisig
pericd.
t40TZON by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. OquisC to approve Vacation Request SAV 4k79-O5,
by Richard Kahn.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTTNG AYE, CI��I.RP4AN IiARFIS D;;CLA1t�D TIiE MOTION CARRIFU
UNAIVIMOUSLX .
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 9, 1980 PAGE 2 � A
2. Receive Parks and Recreation Commission minutes: December 12 1979
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langeufeld Co receive the Parks and Recreation
Commission minutes of December 12, 1979.
Mr. Langenfeld questioned the dollar amount ($SO,Q00) on page 2, paragraph 2,
Mx'. Boardman stated that figures was correct. The city has put a$50,000 pxice tag
for the construction of one baseball diamond. If a business wished to have a diamond
named after them, that figure would be the contribution required.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman when the Spring Brook contract was up.
Mr. Boardman replied in February of this year. The Spring Brook foundation has not
renewed their contract since they feel they have done what they set out to do, which
was set up the Spring Brook Park area. They have turned the maintenance and upkeep
over to the city, which wi11 be the only cosC incurred by the city. The building,
to be located in the park, received a 100% financing grant ($365,000) from LAWCON,
through the Metropolitan Council.
Both Mr. Harris and Mr. Langenfeld said their impression was that when the contract
was awarded, it would be an ongoing program. They botY. were upset by_the fact that
the contract was not rene;aed and felt many other people in the city would be upset
also.
Ms. Gabel voiced conceYn over the F.E.S.T, program and reports of vandalism. She stated
when she helped chaperon� the dances there was a ratio of 1 adult for every 30 teen-
agers, plus a policeman on duty. There was, at that time, no significant problems at
the dances. She stated the policeman was no longer at the dances and questioned if
there was enough chaperones. She felt this was a needed service and the teenages do
use it and hoped it would not be dropped.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN Ht1RgIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
3. Receive Environmental Qualitv Commission Minutes• December 18 1979
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the Environmental
Quality Commission minutes of December 18, 1974.
Mr, Langenfeld pointed out the discussion on pages 2- 8 regarding NPC-5 Airport
Noise Permit. It was asked if the Planning Commission desired to make a recormnenda-
tion on this permit, similar to the action that the EQC took. Basically the permit
(for new consCructian or modification) would be issued to an airport if all complicances
on noise control had been met. Planning Commission felt they would like more informa-
tion on the pexmit and the agencY. that was to decide on the permit (MPCA) was presumed
to have met by this time so their action would be of no consequence.
Mr. Langenfeld also pointed out the discussion under "Other Business" on the MWCC.
This was an iCem discussed at a pxevtous Planning Commission meeting and he felt the
members would be interesCed it it. ,
Mr. Deblon noeed the discussiou on Trunk Highway lOjNorth Crosstown. He said the
Commission of MnDot had chosen the relocated Highway 10 alternative and that the.
relocation eliminated 2 of. the possible North Crosstown routes.
Mr. Boardman pointed out that all reports on this project were not in at th�.s time.
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UPON A VOICE VOT�� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN IIARItIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
4. Continued: Proposed Chan�es to Chaoter 205. ZoninQ:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to receive the revised edition of
the Proposed Changed to Chapter 205. Zoning.
The Commission members decided they would like to look at the new document and how it
was set up before discussing it.
Mr. Boardman said the conter.t was basically the same, however, there had been some
juggling of districts, some were removed, some combined with others, and some re-
named. The changes the Commission had made previously on the book and been incorpora-
ted in this book. The only item Mr. Boardman wanted the Coonnission to think about was
the possibility of adding a xequirement stating a contractor must spend a X% o£ his
total construction costs on lanjscaping. Mr. Boardman noted 1- 2% could be the per
cent range. Mr. Boardman said we negotiaCe now on this iCem and this requirement
would simply by putting it up front as to what the city expects. This would also
make the contractor budgeC a certain amount of dollars for landscaping in his total
construction coets.
The Planning Commission had some prob]ems with this idea. They felt it was not fair
to ask co�ercial property to budget so many dollaxs fos landscaping and not to do
the same in the R districts. They also questioned the right that the city has in making
someone spend a certain amount of money on anything. Another point brought up, was
the fact that even if a contractor has set aside a certain amount of money for land-
scaping, how can thaC be a guarantee that a good landscaping plan will be drawn up
and used.
Mr. Boardman explained this was a suggestion, other communities were adopting this
requirement, and only wanted the Cortmtission to think about it.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, GHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
5. Other Business:
Mr. Treuenfels stated he and Mr. Harris attended a meeting with the Fridley Ministerial
Committee and found there was some overlap of social services in tha city. This
meeting was more or less fact finding and they will also be meeting with the school
district for the same reason. Mr. Treuenfels said they will keep the Commission in-
foxmed of their findings,
Mr. Aarris said he attended a Council meeting to get some precise information on the
new park fees, He could get no real answers from the Council and felt if they desired
a slush fund, they will have one. The new Environment Development Fee was evidently
going to be charged and Mr. Harris could not find out if this fee wi11 be going into
a specific park improvement program, in escrow or what. Mr. Harris said he objected
to the City collecting a"park fee" when it should be called a"public service fee".
These fees usually go into the general fund and not a capital park improvement program
as they should.
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Mr. Harris also pointed ouC the Comprehensive Plan was still befoxe the Council,
It has had eome major changes since the Planning Commission last saw it. He said
the Counci� was reluctane to set numbers on the housing needed in Fridley because
it will cause some major rezuning.
Mr. Boardman said the numbers were not important. What was important was the goals
and needs of the city. The Metro Council was looking for low and moderate housing
and whaC we obtain will be based on Che funding that was available for that type of
housing, The city has to prwide the opportunity for housing of this type in this
area.
Mr. Langenfeld suggested that the Council should not resume any type o£ conversation
or coimnents after the adjournment until they are suTe all visual and audio equipment
has been turned off.
AA70URNMSNT•
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist to adjoum the January 9, 1980
meeting of the Planning Commission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MEETING ADJOURNED
AT 10:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Paula R. Long, Recording cretary
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PL[�NNING COtPfISSION MBSTING JANUARY 9 1980
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Harris called the January 9, 1980, Planning Commission meeting to order
at 7:45 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Harris, Mr. tCreuenfels, Mr. Langenfeld, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel
Membera Absent: Ms. Hughes
Othera Present: Jerrold Board�n, City Planner
Bill Deblon, Associate City Planner
APPROVAL OF DBCEFfBER 19. 1979. PLANNING COY�ASISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, aeconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to approve the December 19, 1979,
Planning Commission minutea as written.
UPON A VOICS VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRISD
UNANIMOUSLY.
1• VACATION REQUEST, SAV � 79=05, BY RICHARD KAHD1: Vacate
the drainage and utility easements,.ai� in Block 1, ATice
Wall Addition: The south 10 feet of Lots i and 2, over the
south 1(� feet and the east 5 feet of Lot 3, over tne west
5 f�et o1� Lot 4, over the west 5 feei o` Lot 5; which iies
north of the easterly ext2nsion ef the south line of Lot 3,
ar�d the west 10 feet of that part of Lot 5, which lies sotith
of �he easterly extension or" the soutfi line of i_ot 3, over the
west 10 feet of Lot 6, over the west 10 faet of Lot 7, and
on Lot 24, which lies west of a iine draam parailei V47tI1 and
distant 356.0 feet east of the mast westeriy lir�� of said
Lot 24 and its northerly extension.
Mx. BoaYdman explained these easements were placed on the plat originally to allow for
the handling of any potential drainage problem. However, the pond that was located
on the final building plan would be capable of handling a 50 year stcrnm and the staff
felt that would be adequate dzainage. The garagea and townhouses have been built over
these easements. He further explained grading has been completed for the pond and any
further grading would only be on the residential lots. That grading would not affect
the pon� size. Mr. Boardman added the pond would normally have a few areas of atanding
water, but basically the pond would only have water in it after a rain or melting
period.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr, Oquist to approve Vacation Request SAV ik79-O5,
by Richard Kahn.
UP013 A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
PLANNING COMNIISSION MSETING, JANUARY 9. 1980 PAGS 2
2. Receive Parks and Recreation Co�ssion minutes: December 12, 1979
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld to receive the Parks and Recreation
Co�ission minutes of December 12, 1979.
Mr. Langenfeld questioned the dollar amount ($50,000) on page 2, paragraph 2.
Mr, Boaxdman stated that figures was correct. The city has put a$50,000 price tag
for the conatruction of one baseball diamond. If a business wished to ha�e a diamond
named after them, that figure would be the contribution required.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman when the Spring Brook contract was up.
Mr. Boardman replied in February of this year. The Spring Brook foundation has not
renaw�d their contract since they feel they have done what they set out to do, which
was se� up the Spring Brook Park area. They have turned the maintenance and upkeep
over to the city, which will be the only cost incurred by the city. The building,
to be located in the park, received a 1007> financing grant ($365,000) from LAWCON,
through the Metropolitan Council.
Both Mx. Harris and Mr. Langenfeld said their impression was thaY when the contract
was awarded, iC would be an ongoing program. They boih..were upset by;the £act that
the contract was not renev�ed and felt many other people in the city would be upset
also.
Ms. Gabel voiced concern wer the F.&.S,T, program and reports of vandalism. She stated
when she helped chaperon�- the dances there was a ratio of 1 adult for every 30 teen-
agers, plus a policeman on duty. There was, at that time, no significant pro6lems aC
the dances. She stated the policeman was no longer at the dances and questioned if
there was enough chaperones. She felt this was a needed service and the teenages do
use it and hoped it would not be dropped.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN llARRIS DBCLARBD THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
3. Receive Environmental Qualitv Co�ission Minutes: December 18. 1979
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the Envi�nnmental
Quality Commission minutes of December 18, 1979.
Mr. Langenfeld pointed out the discusaion on pages 2- 8 regarding NPC-5 Aixport
Noise Permit. It was asked if the Planning Commission desired to make a reconmenda-
tion on this permit, similar to the action that the HQC took. Basically the permit
(for new conatruction or modification) would be issued to an airport if all complicances
on noise control had been met. Planning Co�ission felt they would like more informa-
tion on the pexmit and the agencX that was to decide on the pexmit (MPCA) was presumed
to have met by this time so their action would be of no consequence.
Mr. Langenfeld also poiatwl out the discussion under "OthQS Bueineaa" on the 1fiCC.
This was an item discus��d at a px�yiow Plwnriing Co�i��ian awtias and he felt tlie
sc�Aar� vwkd be interat�d !t it. ,
Mr. Deblon noted the discussion on Trunk Highway 10/North Crosstown. He said the
Co�aiesion of HnDot had chosen the relocated Highway�l0 alternative and that the
relocation eliminated 2 of the possible North Crosstown routes.
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llr. Boar3�n poiatod aut trat all reports on thi� pro�ect vare not in at thie tiae.
FLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 9 1980 PAG& 3
UPON A VOICS VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN IIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
4. Continued: Provoaed Chanees to Chaoter 205. Zonine:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, aeconded by Ms. Gabel, to receive the revised edition of
the Proposed Changed to Chapter 205. Zoning.
The Coa�ission members decided they wuuld like to look at the new document and how it
was set up before discussing it.
Mr. Boardman said the conter.t was basically the same, however, there had been some
juggling of districta, some were removed, some combined with others, and some re-
named. The changes the Co�ission had made previously on the book and been incorpora-
ted in this book. The only item Mr. Boardman wanted the Cotcmiission to think about was
the posaibility of adding a requirement stating a contractor must spend a X% of his
total construction costs on lan�iacaping. Mr. Boardman noted 1- 2% could be the per
cent range. Mr. Boardman said we negotiate now on this item and this requirement
would simply by putting it up front as to what the city expects. This would also
make the contractor budget a certain amount of dollars for landacaping in his total
canstruction costs.
The Planning Co�ission had some prob3ems with thia idea. They felt it was not fair
to ask comznercial property to budget so many dollars for landscaping and not to do
the same in the R districts. They also questioned the right that the city has in making
someone spend a certain amount of money on anything. Another point brought up, was
the fact that even if a contractor has set aside a certain amount of money for land-
scaping, how can that be a guarantee that a good landacaping plan will be drawn up
and used.
Mr. Boardman explained this was a suggestion, other co�unities were adopting this
requirement, and only wanted the Co�ission to think about it.
UPON A VOICS VOTE� ALL VOTING AYB� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
5. Other Business:
Mr. Txeuenfels atated he and Mr. Hanis attended a meeting with the Fridley Ministerial
Co�ittee and found there was some overlap of social services in the city. This
meeting was more or lesa fact finding and they wi11 also be meeting with the school
district for the same reason. Mr. Treuenfels said they will keep the Co�ission in-
foxmed of their findings.
Mr. Harris said he attended a Council meeting to get some precise information on the
new park fees. He could get no real answers from the Council and felt if they desired
a sluah fund, they will have one. The new Emironment Development Fee was evidently
going to be charged and Mr. Harrie could not find out if this fee will be going into
a specific park imprwement program, in escrow or what. Mr. Harris said he objected
to the City collecting a"park fee" when it should be called a"public service fee".
These fees usually go into the general fund and not a capital park improvement program
as they shoul$.
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Mr.:Harris also pointed out the Comprehensive Plan was atill before the Council.
It has had some major changes since the Planning Co�mission last saw it. Ae said
the Counci� was reluctant to set numbers on the housing needed in Fridley because
it w�ll cause some major rezoning.
Mr. Boardman said the numbere were not important. What was important was the goals
and needa of the city. The Metro Council was looking fox low and moderate housing
and what we obtain will be based on the funding that was available for that type of
housing. The c3ty has to provide the opportunity for housing of this type in this
area.
Mr. Langenfeld suggested that the Council should not resume any type of conversation
or co�ents after the adjournment unCil they are sure all visual and audio equipment
has been turned off,
ADJOURNMENT•
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, aeconded by Mr. Oquiat to adjourn the January 9, 1980
meeting of the Planning Commission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARItIS D&CLARED THE I�ETING ADJOURNED
AT 10:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Paula R. Long, Recording cretary