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CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
City of Fridley
A G E N D A
!dEDNESDAY, APRIL 23, 1980
APPROVE PLANMING COMMISSIO� MINUTES: APRIL 9, 1980
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vacate that port7on or the alley ln t3lock I1, Hyd�,t'ark,
not vacated in Ordinance 533 betwween Lots 1-6 and
Lots 25-30; and between Lots 14 and 15, and Lots 16 and
17 which are South of 60th Avenue beto-�een 2 1/2 and 3rd
Street N.E.
A. Receive Memo #80-31 regarding withdrawal of this
of this request by the City of Fridley.
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RUTHOKiTY: Vacate 12 fqot tiorth-South alley �adjacent to Lots
T6-30, Block 21, Hyde Park, to add square footage to the s
bein used for the Home Oumership Program, lying betwee 59t Sc9t'� a�a 5`it1�
and Oi Avenue N.E. on 3rd Street.
LOT SPLIT REOUEST L.S. #80-01 FRIDLEY HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT 23,26, & 27
HUIHUKIIY: Jp;kTt Cots Z'I', 'L'L, Z3 antl "L�, BIOGk "LI, Hyde Park,
into�3 building sites: Parcel 1. Lots.24 and P�orth 13.3 feet
of Lot 23, Parcel 2: The Southerly,27.� feet of Lot 23, and
the Northerly 26.7 feet of Lot 22, �arce�l� 3: Lot 21 and the
South 13.3 feet of Lot 22, ihe same being �, 59�§ and 5�5�-2
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24, Block 5, Hyde Park, and add the South half to Lot 22, Block
5, Hyde Park, to make two building sites from 3 lots, the same
being 6041 and 6031 3rd Street N.E.
CREATION
6. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 3, 1980
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8. RECEIVE HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
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9. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSIOIV P4INUTES: APRIL 15, 1980
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 9, 1980
CALL TO ORDER;
Chairman Harris called the April 9, 1980, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:40 p,m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Harris, Mr. Treuenfels, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld,
Ms. Modig (for Mr. Oquist), Ms, Hughes, I1r. Saba (for
Mr. Wharton of the Energy Commission)
Mem6ers A6sent: None
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
A1 Perez, Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
Mary Cayan, Human Services Assistant & Housing Specialist
Mr. Harris stated he would like to welcome Mr. Saba as Vice-Chairperson of the
Energy Commission and he would like to welcome the Energy Commission to the
Planning Commission.
APPROVAL OF MARCR 19, 1980, PLANNING COMMISSION DIINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to approve the Mazch 19, 1980,
Planning Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all vol-ing aye,
Chairman Harris deciared the motion carried unanimously.
1. PRESENTATION OE NPC-5 (AIRPORT INSTALLATION NOISE PERMIT) BY AL PEREZ
MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY:
Mr. Deblon introduced Mr. A1 Perez of the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
(MPCA) and stated that Mr. Perez would give some background on the MPCA, a
history of the NPC-5 permit, and anscaer questions.
Mr. Perez stated that the history of the permit was pretty long. The P1PCA
has been working on noise since the end of 1973. The first thing they felt
had to be done was adopt noise standards, a definition of hoca much noise is
too much noise. They did that in 1974. Since that time, l-heir main priority
has been on airports and highways. They feel tLe other noise problems, such
as loud cars, motorcycles, barking dogs, and ol-her community noise is going
to have to be handled at the local level. The MPCA does not have the sCaff or
the time. So, their main concern has been narro�aed to airports and highways,
and most of their efforts are going that direction besides helping local
communities start noise programs.
PLANNING CUMMISSIDN MEETING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 2
Mr. Perez stated their work with the airports started in 1974 with the adoption
of the noise standards. They started monitoring Twin Cities International
Airport to determine if their proposed standards at that time actually reflecte�
what people were telling them. They very quickly found it was very difficult
and frustrating to monitor an airport of that size. They realized that if they
were going to define the problem around the airport, they had to do more moni-
toring and needed new equipment. The found new equipment was going to cost
a half million dollars so they designed some new equipment that was built by
a local electronics technician. They paid $20Q/unit and bought 15 units.
After announcing this to the public, they soon had 400 families who wanted to
do mrn7itoring for the MPCA.
Mr. Perez stated that with families doing the monitoring, they were a61e to
spend more time around the airport and discovered that Northwest Airlines was
using a unique take-off procedure. Nobody believed that, but it is now the
procedure being used throughout the country. Tfiey found out for sure that the
main problem caused by an airport was not so much that the aircrafts are noisy,
but it was the management of the airport. Since the impact of the Northwest
aircraEts was dramaticatly Zess than other airlines, it occurred to them that
airport noise could be controlled.
Mr. Perez stated that, frcw; that standpoint, they began to think about a strategy.
So.far, everything they have accomplished at the airport is as the result of
conveying knowledge to people who can make a difference. They are working
with everyone concerned, including Metropolitan Council and other agencies.
It has Uecome obvious to them after six years that it is an age where people
won't do things out of just good will. Unless the MPCA lays down a very strict
process, they are not going to solve the noise problem in Minnesota. Ae did
not mean only Twin Cities International, but also other airports in Minnesota.
Mr. Perez stated that people are being hurt by noise. The effects of noise on
people cause high blood pressure, Uirrh defects, psychiatric problems from loss
of sleep, and they are leariiing more and more. But, people seem to treat
noise as a nuisance and eit!�er get used to it or m we. It would be very
diif-icult for the people around Twin Cities International to move. There are
approximately 150,000 people and 50,000 homes, so this problem has to be taken
seriously.
Mr. Perez stated that after a long struggle and dealing with a21 kinds of
agencies, they have decided the best way to go is through a permit process.
The permit process not only deals with the existing problem, but hopefully
will prevent prob2ems from developing. They started looking at what shape this
permit should take and the first approach was both an operational and installa-
tion permit. They offered the first few drafts for coimnents from a panel of
the Agency. This panel is made up of airport, operators, pilots, and citizens.
After the input, they found everything they caeze proposing was illegal. So,
they decided to go rn1e step further,streamline the process, clarify the language,
and make a permit that wouldn't be challenged on any Uacis. When you deal
with only the operations oE an airport, you deal with the Federal Government,
and it seems like anytime there i.s a hint thaC the F.A.A, mighl- have control,
the MPCA loses conLrol at the local level. One thing they do have control
over is the development of an airport as it is pretty much a local, skate
decision. In order to avoid possiUle conflicts in court, they threw out the
operational par[ and kepY. only the installation part.
PLANNiNG COMMISSION ME�TING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 3
Mr. Perez stated that in the last couple of years because of the Airport
Development Fund which is ending pretty soon, they have seen a tremendous
amount of modifications being proposed by airports in a hurry to get things
done. So, they felt that it was important that the permit process be instituted
as soon as possible. It is clear that airports are not going to remain the
way they are today. The deregulation has proven that planning and projecl-ions
are fun, but you never know what is going to happen. They have seen a 25%
increase in commercial air traffic at Twin Cities International in the last
year. That presents a problem to Twin Cities International and an even greater
problem to other airports around Twin Cities International.
Mr. Perez stated this was the history behind the installation permit, and they
must address the problems now. Even Twin Cities International today is a
manageable problem if they take the time to manage the airport. When people
think of noise, they only think of the intensity of the noise--they don't think
of the duration of the noise. That is what he means by managing the problem.
He stated that we utilize the F.A,A, to manage the control of the air traffic,
6ut these are Minnesota airports, they are owned by us, and it is very sad
that the F.A.A, is not doing more to make those airports operate the way they
should and could. He stated he would likE to see this permit approach given
a chance.
Ms. Aughes stated that Mr. Oquist of the Conmunity Development Commissi�n, who
was not at the meeting, was concerned about no revocation procedures, the
idea being that if you give a permit, can you ever revoke a permit. Maybe
Mr. Perez could comment on what the Agency can do and where that is covered
in the law.
Mr. Perez stated that the proposal only affects about 20 airports in Minnesota--
90,000 or more annual operation. In order to get a permit, an airport has to
demonctrate compliance to state standards, not only noise standards, but also
air, water, and solid waste standards. Mr. Perez referred to the NPGS permit,
page 4, B-3: "Decision. The Agency shall not grant an installation permit
unless the Agency determines that the airport as proposed to be constructed
or modified will comply with the noise standards of 6 MCAR � 4.2002 and the
requirements of all other applicable pollul-ion control sCatutes and rules."
Mr. Perez stated that for an airport, thaC means either doing something to
meet the law or asking for a variance to the 1aw, which the MPCA does grant
through a hearing process. Once thac is decided and the airport has the
variance or has met the law, then the Agencp will consider the application.
The airport must prove the impact of that modification, and that impact will
be such that it wi11 not exceed the law. What if something happens? He referred
to page 4, C-1 under Permit Conditions: "The following conditions apply to all
pernuts issued under this rule. (iii) The Permittee sha11 install or modify
and operate the airport covered by the permit in accordance with plans and
specifications submitted to the Agency and referenced in the permit." He
stated that if anything changes, the permit just vanishes. The airport has
to operate under that condition.
PLAI�TNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 4
Ms. Schnabel stated that maybe that is where the concern is. That is being
assumed, but maybe because there is nothing in writing that says, for example;
"If the permittee fails to meet the specifications as established within this
document, the Agency has the authority to close an airport down or establish
£ines, etc." She stated that maybe that should be written into the document.
There is nothing in the permit that says what the next course of action is
after construction or modification is completed, and the airport has failed
to meet the specifications.
Mr. Perez agreed that it was something that should be written in to make it
more clear, but in reality any airport that violates these regulations is
subject to civil or criminal penalties.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the reason all this was taking place was because
of the Environmental Quality Commission's concern about possible expansion at
Anoka County Airport. As they were going through this, they wondered if there
was some way of bringing this to the attention of the proper legislative people
to stop this kind of expansion. At that time, they did not tmow if a permzt
process did or did not exist, so they took it upon themselves to implement a
process or see if one existed in order to stop any kind of piece-by-piece
expansion.
Mr. Langenfeld read a letter dated Dec. 19, 1979, wliich was addressed to
Terry Hoffman, Executive Director of the MPCA. This.letter was written by
Bi11 Deblon on behr�lf of the EQC. In this letter, the Environmental Quality
Commission recommended that the MPCA adopt a regulation such as NPC-5, Draft II,
callir.g f.or control of noise pollution at airports. The Commission also
r.ecocmnended that enforcement provisions and criteria for permit revocation be
included in the regulation. Mr. Langenfeld stated these recommendations were
from a motion made by the Co�ission at that time,
Mr. Lang?nfeld referred to NPC-5, page 3, item 2, Permit Application, stating
that the National Environmental Policy Act could be a form of enforcement.
Also, the fact that a noise study has to be conducted was another means of
control.
Mr. Perez stated that it was his opinion that many things can be done and
this permit is the way it can be done. With noise, there are no federal
standards. Congress said the main responsibility to contzol noise rests with
state and local governments. He agreed with P1s. SchnaUel that it wouldn't hurt
to add more enforcement language, but if the PSPCA fails to enforce the permit,
it is np to local government, not only to enforce, but local government has
the obligation by la�a to enforce it. If they get tangled at the state level,
he hoped the local governments would not hesitate to enforce it.
Mr. Harris stated that if the MYCA would issue a perm�t to Anoka County Airport,
for example, for expansion of their facilities, and for some reason or another,
the airport does not follow the procedures and are in clear violation, did
Mr. Perez think the MPCA could shut the airpoxt down? T,hat is what it boils
down to, because action is what counL-s. Ttie only U�ay to get the airport to
comply is by shutting it down.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. APRIL 9. 1980 PAGE 5
Mr. Perez stated that Mr. Harris was right, but he had no answer for that
question. Legally, it can be done, but it boils down to the question: Is
government wi111ng to do this? It is a policy decision that has to be made
by t he Attorney General .
Mr. Aarris asked that if the MPCA goes with the permit process, the question
is; How is it going to be enforced?
Mr. Perez stated the answer was, civil or criminal, The Legislature has given
the MPCA tremendous authority. The question is whether they are going to be
able to exercise that authority, and that answer can come only from the
Governor.
Mr. Harris stated he would like to express his individual concern about Anoka
County Airport. He stated that Twin Cities International is obviously more
suited fox commerr..ial-Cype passenger operaCion than is Anoka County. It seemed
to him L'hat the logical thing would be to move air freight and that type of
operation into Anoka County and leave Twin Cities International to the large
commercial jets, So, in 2-3 years it would 6e possible to land 727's at Anoka
County Airport, because 727's are used for air freight. That could make Anoka
County Airport a very busy airport as air freight is a big thing. If there
is a permit process, but there are no provisions to make that permit strict,
it means nothing.
Ms. Modig stated this was the Community Development Cammission's concern.
Having a permit was not the problem. There are laws noca that supposedly cover
a11 these things, but if those current laws camiot be enforced, how was the
permit going to be any more enforceable than the law?
Mr, Perez stated that the only way Anoka County is going to remain acceptable
and the few violations corrected is L-hrough a process that caill address the
problem before it develops. Right now the 1aw does not require Anoka County
Airport to tell the NiPCA anything, because the MPCA does not have a permit for
noise, Anoka County Airport could build a terminal, because they do not need
a water pollution or air poilution or solid waste permit. So, with Anoka
County Airport, particularly, this noise permit is the only way they can look
at the impact beYore it happens. Yes, there is a law, but it is only triggered
by a violation.
Ms. Schnabel staeed that Mr. Perez has stated the MPCA has two avenues: civil
and criminal. Wtiat happens if the lxecutive Director, the person responsible
for proceeding with an action, fails to be persuaded that a situation exists
which is in violation oi this permit?
Mr. Perez stated that the MPCA Board is a 9-memUer citizen bosrd. He works
for that Board. If a citizen is concerned about Chis happening, th,1t person
should go directly to Che Board, an� the Board will ru1e. The Board has been
known repeatedly to disagree witli the ExecuCive Di.rector and the staLf.
PLANNING COMh1ISSI0N PIEETINf= APRIL 9, 1980 PAGE 6
Mr. Langenfeld stated the Environmental Quality Commission had expressed their
concern through the motion and letter written to the Executive Director.
Mr. Perez stated that letters mean a lot to the legislative agencies, but to
the MPCA, people mean a lot. He stated that if Lhey �oanted to make an impact,
then somebody should be at the MPCA Board meeting on April 29 at 10:00 a.m.
when the NPC-5 will be discussed. That presence is c�ery important as the
Board listens to citizens, members of city boards, and City Council people.
Mr. Perez stated it was his personal decision that if this permit process is
adopted, they are going to do samething about it. The Language was important,
but the MPCA has that capability, even though it is not clearly spelled out
in the permit. This has been worked out so there is not going to be any issues
of pre-emption.
Mr. Perez stated that the state noise standards do not prevent degradation of
the environment, and right now they have a pretty nice environment in this part
of the city. The state standards do say you can produce noise up to a certain
limit, and there is not going to be health problems, but the quietude might
disappear. He did not want people to thiak that things were going to remain
the same by adopting this procedure. It will get noisier, but notso noisy as to
affect people's health.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he caanted to personally thank D:r. Perez for coming to
the meeting, and asked Mr. Perez if he had any conments or recommendations for
the Commission.
Mr. Perez stated he �oould hope the Commission would take this seriously. He
would hope that they would continue to push the MPCA by suggesting things and
keeping track of what the MPCA is doing. He stated they should keep on �,�riting
letters or attending meetings and spealcing about what is going on in their
coiicnunity. If the MF'CA does not feel the pressure, nothing happens. He also
strongly recommended that the City serd someone to the Apri1 29 MPCA Board
meeting to voice the City's concerns.
Mr. Harris also thanked Mr.. Perez for coming and talking to the Commission.
MOTION by ifr. Langenfeld, seconded by PSs. Hughes, to recommend that the City
Council suppozt the MPCA in the adoption of a'cegulation such as NPC-5, Draft II
December 12, 1979, ca17.i.ng for control of noise pollution at airports, and in
reviewing NPC-5, Draft II, would recommend Lhat enforcement provisions and
criteria for oermit revocation be included in Che re�ulation.
Ms. Hughes stated she was not sure if this process would get done in time to
be much help for the Anoka County Airport, but there was always some hope that
the Anoka County Airport would not move too fast and could Ue controlled Uy a
permit, if the permit process was started quickly. She stated the MPCA's
authority to act is in the state statutes, and they can enforce it, She felt
the Director of the MFCA was very environmentally-conscious. She wonld like
to see them give the MPCA a11 the support they can, and what is left is the
Environmental Righes Act--anyUody can sue.
PL�INNING COMMISSION MGETING APRIL 9, 1980 PAGE 7
Ms. Schnabel stated she got the feeling that Mr. Perez was very comfortable
with this document and felt there are enough safeguards to enforce-it. He
did agree there should be some different language, but he felt that ultimately,
even if this doesn't work, they will still have the civil and criminal courts
to back them up.
Mr. Deblon stated the key thing is that if you put too much teeth into a process
like this, you will have federal pre-emption.
Mr. ilarris stated he felt it was better than nothing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. RECEIVE MEMO FROM THE OFFICE OF THE
RE: THE CITY'S COURSE OF ACTTON RP.
MARCH 27, 1980
MOTION by Ms, Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the memo from the
City Manager dated March 27, 1980.
Mr. Boardman stated it cvas determined by the City Council *_hat the City should
not request vacation of any alleys and and property owner �oho wishes to request
s vacation iaill be advised to get a 100% a�reement of the property owners affecr.e3
in order for the City to waive the fee.
Mr. Harris stal-ed this puts them right back at the beginning again.
Mr. Deblon stated Staff did a survey and so a lot of people coere left wondering
what is happening. He would like eome direction from the Planning Commission
as to whether Staf£ should send letters notifying these people of where the
City noca stands on alley vacations.
D1r. Harris stated that, yes, anyone interested in this item has the right to
know the City Council's decision on it.
Ms. Schnabel stated she felt this decision by the City Council coas very discouraging.
Mr. Harris asked if the City Council was pr.epared to maintain unimproved alleys?
Mr. Boardman stated it caas not tlie responsiUility of the City Council to
maintain unimproved alleys--it was the responsibility of the property owners,
jast like Uoulevards.
UPON A VOICE \�OTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRhfAN HARRIS DECLAREll TI3E MOTION CARRIED
UNANIrIOUSLY.
Mr. Harris stated that tl�e Planning Commission was supposed to have a joint
meeting with City Councll on Tfondav, April 14, and this was an item Lhat should
be discussed with the City Council.
PLANNING CONIMISSION f1EETING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 8
3. RECEIVE GUIDELINES FOR THE PRIORITIZATION OF FUNDZNG REQUESTS--FINAL DRAFT:
MOTION hy Mr.. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the "Guidelines
for the PrioriL-ization of Funding Requests".
Mr. Boardman stated these guidelines have been approved by the Human Resources
Commission and are before the Planning Commission for its approval,
Ms. Hughes recormnended that the title be amended to read: "Guidelines for
Setting Priorities of Funding Requests". The Covrcnission concurred with this
amendment.
Ms. Hughes stated tha*_ on the second page, item 3, where it said, "a listing
of other sources of funding available to the. applicant", was that �ources from
which the applicant can receive funding or a list of foundations from the
library?
Mr. Boardman suggested that the wording of �R3 be changed to: "A listing of
specific and anticipated sources of funding available to the applicant.'! The
Commission concurred with this change.
Ms. Hughes stated that on ��6, the word, "excepted" should be changed to
"expected".
Ms. Schnabel s*_ated that on the third page, she did not see anything
about 2ooking at a tetal percent of the dollars out of the budget
that are used for staff versus actual services provided. For �ample, the
State of Minnesota has very strict guideli.nes in terms of agencies requesting
funds from private individuals. Maybe this should be in the guidelines.
Mr. Treuenfels stated the only place that was touched on was in D-`s; "The
administrative and program service costs are in reasonable balance." He
stated that what was really in question was the administrative costs versus
the services provided.
Mr. Harris stated he would rather leave this up to the discretion of the
Human Resources Commission.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would hope that the IIuman Aesources Commissfon would
scrutinize this carefully when they received funding requests.
Mr. Boardman stated this program was not going to be that extensive, and they
wi11 IeC people know that the basis of. the decisions witl be strict2y based on
priorities set up by the Human Resources Couunissioa. It is going to be a
subjective decision made somewhere down the line. He would suggest that the
Human Resources Commission clearly lay out reasons wtiy they have made a certain
decision. If the reasoning is vaZid, ehat will be laid out when the reco�enda-
tion goes to City Council.
Mr. Tx•euenfels stated the Auman Resourcec Co�nission would be very happy to
supply reasons to both the Planning Comnission and the City Council.
PLANNING COMMISSION NIIiETING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 9
Ms. Hughes stated she felt B-2, "This service does not overlap with services
provided elsewhere in the community" was extremely restrictive. She was very
uncomfortable with that, because she could see the need sometimes to have more
than one organization in the city addressing the same program or same need.
Some organizations are limited by staff and budgets and sometimes the first
organization cannot handle any more people or whatever, so there is plenty of
need for setting up a second group.
Mr. Treuenfels stated this is only one of a number of points that would be
taken into consideration. The point here is if there is an organization that
does the job well in the sense of being able to serve all the people in need
of that particular service, then another organization trying to muscle in and
get funding fram the city would be reminded Chat the taxpayer is paying for this
and that the need has to be established of why a second organization is actually
needed.
Mr. Boardman suggested that B-2 on the third page be reworded as follows: "The
extent this service does not overlap with other services providen elsewhere
in the community." The Commission concurred with this change.
Mr, Boardman stated that the Planning Commission's role will be to look at
the Human Resources Commission's reasoning Uehind their decisions. The Planning
Commission cannot change the Human Resources Commission's recommendations, but
wi11 be allowed to make additional recounnendations that will go on to City
Council.
Ms. HugUes stated that since the Human Resourc�s Commission has a particular
mission outlined for them in dealing primarily with the human resources in the
community and some proposals come to them dealing with environmental matters,
wi11 the Auman Resources Commission seek the advice of the Environmental Quality
Commissc?_on or will they feel competcnt to rule on the quality of an environmental
application?
Mr. Treuenfels state3 it was a point well taken. After the Human Resources
Commission has looked at an application dealing with environmental matters, it
is possible they would confer caith the commission also concerned with
environmental matters.
UPON A VOICE VOTT, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION TO
RECEIVE TIiE "GUIDLZINES FOR SETTING PRIORITI�S OP FUNDING REQI7�STS; AND TO
ALSO CONCUR WITIi THE SUGGESTED CAANG�S, CARRI�D UNANtMOUSLY;
4. CONPINUED; PROPOSED CfiANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING:
MOTION by ifr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to change the agenda and
move "Proposed changes to Chapter 205. Zonins" to the last item on the agenda.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman liarris declared the motion carried
unanimously.
PLANNING COMMISSION I�ETING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 10
5. RECEIVE MARCli 12 1980 PARKS & RECR�ATION COiR�1ISSI0N MINUTES:
MOTION Uy Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the March 12, 1980,
Parks & Recreation Commission minutes.
Ms. Hughes stated the trip to the Brooklyn Center and St. Louis Park recreational
facilil-ies was very informative. Brooklyn Center's community recreational
center was a very nice facility aud very we11 maintained. St. Louis Park's
facility turned out to be mostly ice arena with an outdoor swimming pool and
littZe other facilities. That iacility was poorly maintained. Neither of the
facilities or their programs were self-supporting. She stated the Parks &
Recreation Commission may have the opportunity to visit the recreational center
in Rochester, Mn.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE MARCH 13, 1980, HOUSING & REDEVELCPMENT AUTFIORITY MIN[JT�S;
NSOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Modig, to receive the March 13, 1980,
Housing & Redevelopment Authority minutes.
Mr. Boardman stated that,sta£f has a meeting with JVD (,7oint Venture Developers)
on Friday. They do have a timetable and there will he a decision-making point
sometime in Ju17. At that time, the HRA wi11 make the determination whether the
project with JVD is go or no go. Staff also has a meeting next �oeek with IMI
(International Mu1ti-Housing, Inc.) on INff 's proposal for Phase 3 of the
d evel op�nen t .
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MQTION CARRIED
UN.ANIMOLiSLY:
7. RECEIVF. MARCH 13, 1980, ENVIRONI�IENTAL QUALITY C0�'AIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the
March 13, 1980, Environmental Quality Commission minutes.
Mr. I.angenfeld stated that the Environmental Quality Commission has a new
member, Jon �rickson, who is repi.acing Connie Metcalf. He stated he also has
Marvin Hora's resignation to present io the Commission, Mr. Hora is resigning
because of family and job commitments.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he wanted the Planr,ing Commission to note the last four
paragraphs on page 3 Which contained important information.
Mr. Dehlon stated that in regard to the LDN (level of day/night noise)
comparative methodology bei.ng used by L-he consultant, TRA, according to the
MPCA, the LDN does not reflect violations of state noise standards because
they are an average of an average. He stated he felt unless they can get
the L10 contours, Chey won`t really imow what the noise impacts wi11 be on
the various alternatives.
PLANNING COMMISSION MESTING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 11
Mr. Deblon stated that the Anoka County Task Force was having an open house
at Blaine City Hall on Sat., May 3.
UPON A VOZCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AY�, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive Marvin Hora's
resignation to be forwarded on to City Council. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
8. RECEIVE MARCH 25, 1980, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Pfs. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenield, to receive Che Mar. 25, 1980,
Appeals Commission minutes.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANiMOUSLY;
9. RECEIVE MARCH 27, 1980, ENERGY COIrAIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the March 27, 1980,
Energy Coumiission minutes,
Mr. Saba stated this was the Energy Commission's first meeting and was basically
an organizational meeting.
Mr. Harris stated that in answer to Mr. WharCOn's question about whether the
Chamber of Commerce had an energy committee, to his knowledge they did not.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING Ai'F, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANII�IOUSLY;
10. OTHER BUSINESS:
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Human Resources Commission has asked him to
hring a question before the Planniug Co�nission. He stated the Human Aesources
Commission has been approached by the State Deparcment of Human Rights csith
a newly proposed method of settling possible grievances that result from alleged
discrimination ot one kind or another. This method is called the "No-Fau1t
Grievance Procedure", The Human Resources Commis�ion c�ould like to know the '
feelings of the Planning CoQUnission as to whether the fIuman Resources Commission
should get into the settling of grievances due to discrimination or even
if this was a proper area for the Human Resources Cocmnission to get into.
Mr. Boardman sL-ated Chis was something brought up to the Planning Commission
about a year ago by the Human Resources Commission. At that time, the Planning
Co�miission asked some very valid questions as to how it was going to be handled,
who was going to be responsible Lor handling it, and how it caas to be staffed.
He stated he had not read the new document, but he would be concerned about
the staffing requirements.
PLANNiNG COMMISSION ML'ETING, APRIL 9, 1980 ' PAGE 12
Ms. Cayan stated that it would involve staff time, processing, and a great deal
of commission time. From what she can gather, it would take at least 3-4 hours
of staff time per grievance. It would also involve training time for staff.
Mr. Harris stated this was another item that should be discussed with the
City Council at the meeting on April 14.
Mr. Soardman stated they could also contact Coon Rapids to see how many grievances
the Coon Rapids Human Rights Commission handles.
Mr. Boardman stated that a person living at 198 Mercury Drive, which is a
corner lot, has the continual problem of people driving up over the corner of
his lot. This person wants to put in a split rail fence out to the curb and
along the curb to the street. Mr. Boardman stated he has advised this person
that he would prefer that not be done. P1r. Boardman stated he �aould suggest
that this person put �ome big rocks or boulders on the corner if that is the
direction the Planning Commission would tike him to take.
The Commission concurred with this suggestion.
Mr. Boardman stated i� is again Y.ime for junk yards to renew their licenses.
He stated that the Co�ission might recall tfiat Sam's Auto Parts was one junk
yard that initially got a special use permit to put in classic auto parts. The
problem is that. the o�aner is not specializing in classic auto parts as specified
under that special use permit and has not been for about three years. Did the
Plann.in� Commission want to start enforcing the special use permit �r make the
owner come back for a new speciat use permit or an amended special use permit?
Mr. Harris stated socaething should be done because the operation was a change
from the original special use permit. He stated that the Commission should
have all the information ou it first and then they can take another look at it.
Mr. Harris stated that he had talked to Mr. Quxeshi, City Manager, about a
joint meeting between the Plannin� Commissian and the City Council. If there
were no oUjections, this meeting will be held Monday, April 14, at 9:00 p,m.
He stated that some of the items to Ue discussed are expense accounts, the
drainage issue, person to attend the NPCA Board meeting on April 29, and the
rrNo-Fault Grievance Procedure" proposed to tiie Human Resources Coum�ission.
Mr. Harris stated there is a planning seminar called, "Planning Quiet
Communities" to be held on Thursday, May $. Any of the Conanission members
wishing to attend should contact Mr. �oardman.
PLANDIING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 9 1980 PAGE 13
Mr. Aarris stated he has had some discussions with Larry Cewners, Chairperson
of the Housing & Aedevelopment Authority about the concerns expressed 6y the
Planning Commission. Mr. Commers was also concerned about the Planning Coa�ission's
cancerns. Mr. Commers stated he would like the Planning Commission to become
more actively involved with the HRA, and Mr. Aarris hed told him he thought
the Commission should do thal- on an individual basis at this time and not as
a commission.
Mr. Harris stated he also had the opportunity to discuss with Mr. Commers
the city prosecutor's position and Mr. Prieditis' position with the HRA, and
he thought they have worked out a solution. Mr. Commers hzs gotten some legal
advice on this, and to ensure the integrity of the HRA, the HItA will set up a
written policy or procedure which wi11 be followed by anyone having a possible
conflict of interest at any time on any item. Mr. Harris stated he thought
this was a very good idea.
Mr. Harris stated it would behoo�re the Planning Commission memUers as private
citizens to attend HRA meetings aead be involved in the HRA's deeerminations.
11. CONTINITED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZODTING:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to continue this item at another
meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harri� declared the motion
carried unanimovsly.
ADSOURNMENT•
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded by P1r. Trever<fels, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the Ap-ril 9, 1980,
Planning Covnnission meeting adjour.ned at 11t45 p.m.
RespectfLlly submittecl,
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Lyne�le S��ti
Recording Secretary
CITY OF FRIDLEY MINNESOTA
'� i PLANNING AND ZONING FO[th1
NUMBER ��i' �%�I L•'-�
APPLICANT'S SIGNATURE ,�[,���/
Address /p��� /f`/i�/PtS�%i � /i��
Telephone Number o"�%� -��%��
� '�PROPERTY OWNER'S SIGNATURE �vi p /' ',,
Address `==y'�'�'�^�--
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TYPE OF REQUEST
• Rezoning
Special Use Permit
Approval of Premin-
inary $ Final Plat
�Streets or Alley
Vacations
Other
Telephone Number � -
�/� no� Fe�Receipt No.
Street Location of Property Y�! y K
Legal Description of Property��� "yy,��ljQ�/���� .�'r^' -u? z�� 3
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Present Zoning Classification Existing Use of Property
Acreage of Property
Describe briefly the proposed zoning classificatioi:
or type of use and improvement proposed
Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes no.
What was requested and when?
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application.
(b) 7'his application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation
given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings
resulting from the failure to lis't the names and addresses of all residents and
property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned.
A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, shotiaing the
folloiaing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. Street Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet).
The undersigned hereby declares that all
application are true and correct. /
/
DATE $/�f� SIGNATURE�
Date Filed
Date of
Planning Commission Approved
(dates) Denied
£acts and representations stated in this
City Council Approved
(dates) Denied �
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CI"�Y O� �R���..�'1(
6431 UNiVERSITY AVENUE N.E., FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA SS432
CORRECTED f�OTICE
TEL�Pr ���'(�g1�577•3450
TO 41HOt4 IT F1AY COMCERN:
The Planning Commission at their regular meeting being held on
Apri7 23, 1980 at 7:30 F.M. in ±he Council Chamber at 6431 University
Avenue flortheast, Nri71 be considering a vacation request which was brou9ht
foward by the City of Fridley. This request is to vacate all of the
alley in Slock ll, Hyce Park, that 4+�asn't vacated at the time fdorthwestern
Bell Telephone Company constructeJ th�ir building. This will be an informal
hearing only, and ±ha City Council �a;ll be setting a Public Hearing on
this request aL a iater da.+.e, ai which tir� you will be renotified of
the formal Public Hearina.
The Planning Commission v�ishes to extend �n ir,vitation to any property
owner who may have an ooinion on th� vacation of this alley to attend this
meeting.
RICNARD H. HAf;RIS
CNFlIRMAN
PLANNI"!G COMMISSION
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Plarming Commission -��9
City Council
MAILI�dG LIST
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SAV #79-a3> City of Fridley
Laurence Muggli Warren Johnson
North Branch, MN 55056 Northern States Power Company
Mr. & Mrs. David Nelson 4501 68th Avenue N.
17631 Chameleon Avenue N.W. Minneapolis, Mn 55429
Anoka, Mn 55303
News Realty
6500 Barrie Road
Minneapolis, Mn 55435
Mr. & Mrs. Curtis Sorum
5900 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Eck2r
5940 3rd 5treet N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
John H. Quellette
848 82nd Avenue N.E.
Minneapolis, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Williams
5945 2 1/2 Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Alfred Gabel
5947 2 1/2 Street N.E.
Fridley, M��`�/'.'32
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59a55 2 1/2 Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
John Eddy, Manager
General Television
350 63rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Minnegasco
c/o Leo Caouette, Communications Dept.
733 Marquette Avenue
Minneapolis> Mn 55402
L. K. Rodman
Northwestern Bell Telephone Co.
6540 5hingle CrPek Parkway
Flinneapolis, Mn 55430
I�EMO T0: PLAN�IPl6 COMMISSION tdEh16ERS
MEMD FROM: JERROLD 60ARDt�lAN, CITY PLANNER
��iEMO NUM6ER: PC #179-24
MEMO DATE: June 6, 1974
RE: ( SAV �/79-03 �
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It has al�days been the policy of the City to �liminate all alleys vihen and
�•rhere possible. In the past, these alley vacations have generalTy be�r�
a joint cooperation between the neighbors on a block, and the alley
vacations have been applied for to the City of Fridley by thos�.
neighbors.
This vacation request, SAV ;`79-03, came up for the purpose of developin,y
a solution to a problem that is developing ti•rithin the bTock area in t,�hich
tht alley right-of-way is located. It has been brought to the atterticn
of the Ci ty ihat itiere has i�een continual problems bet4,�een apart!^ent otvners
and residents on t.he upkeep or' the alley riyht-of-way within this biock.
Since the alley right-ofi-vtay is public riaiit-of-l•�ay a.r,d since there is no
concurrence withir the reiyhborhood on the upkeep of the rigiit-of-vaay, and
since the City of Fridley does not n�aintain unimproved public right-of-t,tays,
tk�e City o£ Fridley, due to the public nature of the alley, is making this
reGuest for vacaiion to solve this problem.
In my opinion, the Planning Commission has four options to take �rith this
vacation:
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1. 7he Planning Commission can deny the vacation on the grounds that
the City should not be making the vacation request. This would
still not solvz the problem as far as th� public nature of the
alley and maintenance pro�lems and of the disagreements between the
neighbors.
2. The Planning Cominission can recommend denial and request that the
vacation be petitioned by the neigh6ors, In this case, due to the
controversy betk�een the neighbors, there is a strong tendency that
no vacation request would be applied for.
3. The Planning Commission can approve the request based on the nature
of contention on the alley right-of-way.
4. The Planning Commission can approve the alley vacation and direct
� Staff to look at all alley areas in the City to see if other areas
for vacation should be applied for and establish that policy which
would allow the City to inake those:applications for alley vacations.
�rs�
N O R 7 H E R N 5 T A T E S P O W E R C O M P A N Y
4301 6BTH AVENVE NORTM
BROOKLVN CENTER. MINNESOTA S3a29
June l, 1979
Mr. Richard H. Harris
Chairman Planning Commission
City of Fridley
6431 University Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Dear Mr. Harris:
{n regards to vacation of the ailey in 81ock 11, Hyde Park Addition,
bounded by 59th and 60th Avenue N.E. between 2� Street and 3rd
Street, we have both overhead and underground facilities located
in the portions of the alley to be vacated, (see athached print).
If the remainder of this afley is vacated, we wish to retain a utility
easement for our facilities.
$incerely,
�1 af�.�, d? , ���,�
Warren R. Johnson
Staff Assistant
North Division
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T0: Planning Commission
FRO�: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
MEMO NO,: 80-31
DATE: April 18. 1980
RE: Withdrawl of Vacation Reques� � SAV-79-03
This is to hereby notify you that the alley vacation request
SAV-79-03 by the City of Fridley is to be withdrawn by the City.
This action is being taken after further consideration of the over-
all policy for the City's role in vacating alley's. It is felt that
this action should not be initiated by the City for private individuals
and any action vacating Public ROW's unless it affects public property
should be an action of the existing property owners.
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CITY OF FRIDLEY h1INVESOTA
PLANNING f\ND ZONING FOR�I
NUh16ER �� � d� �
APPLICANT'S SIGNATURE ' � �y�eC, rj/.}•
Address ,(p��I (/�/ �rSi J`y NdP ,{�% E.
Telephone Number �%f', ����
PROPERTY ONNEP,'S SIGNATURE �j���tc/ yj��%,
Address �Q.�E
Telephone Number
Street Location of Property �'832 �/N,�e�3rrr ,QUb
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Legal Description o£ Property
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TYPE QF REQUEST
Rezoning
Special Use Permit
Approval of Premin-
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X Streets or Alley
���r Vacations
Other
Fee W�^'�� Receipt No.
Present Zoning Classification �% Existing Use of Property SjN�% �,,,.��L_
Acreage of Property zp 6�v Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed
Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes no.
What was requested and when? �
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application.
(b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation
given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses o£ all residents and
property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned.
A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the
following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. Street Names. 5. Location and use o£ adjacent existing buildings (�vithin 300 feet}
The undersigned hereby declares that a he facts and representations stated in this
application are true and correct.
DATE �� �jQ SIGNATUR %� /
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Date Fiied Date of Hearing
Planning Commission Approved City Council Approved
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6431 UNIVERSI7Y AV[NUE N.E., FqIDLEY, MiNNESOTA 58A32
TELEPHONE (612)571•3450
April 15, 1980
CONCERN:
3, 1980 at 7:30 P.F.1. the Plannin9 Comnission will hold
ring on vacating the 12 foot alley in Block 21, Hyde
been requested by the Fridley Flousing & Redevelopment
�t vacated alley can be added ta the square footage
23 and 24 in thfs bloci:. The HRA atould like to have
the entire alley vacated in this bloc�. As you are a property owner
in this block you are invited to attend this informal hearing and
make yoar epinions known on this request. There will be a formal
PUBLIC HEARING by the City Council at a later date, and you will
be renotified for this hearing also. The meeiing 6eing held on
Wednesday, April 23rd vaill be at the Civic Center, 6431 University
Avenue N.E., in the Council Chamber.
RICHAR4 HARP.IS
CHA I Rit;;�v
PLl!,idNING COf�iMISSION
Planning Comriission 4/15/80 25
City Gouncil
MAILING LIST
SAV #80-D1, HRA
*Frank Gabrelcik
5740 University Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Dale Bakke
5805 3rd Street Pa.E.
Fridley, Mn 55A32
*Dorothy A. Young
5807 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*�ridley Housing & Redevelopment Authority
6431 University Avenue N.F.
Fridley, Mn 55432
*Mr. & Mrs. Charles Haussler
5684 Jackson Street N.E.
Frid1ey, Mn 55432
Ray Harris
Route 1, Niebb Lake
Hackensack, MN 56452
pennis Munson & Vincent Stegner
Ortonville, MN 56278
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DATE
BELOW FOR CITY USE ONLY
gY STAFF DATE
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MEETING
APRIL 3 1980
CltLL R� ORDER:
GhBirperson Barbara HughQa called the Apri1 3, 1980, Special Parlcs & Recreation
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C�ission meet ng to or er a- a.m.
ROLL CALL•
Memhers Present: Barbara Hughes, Dave R6ndriek, Diek Young, Dan Allen
Members Absent; Jan Seeger
'Athers Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director
- Nasim Qureshi, City Manager
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
' Siah St, Clair, City Naturalist
1. DISCIISSION OF PLANNED FACILITY FOR NORTH PARK;
Hs;.gughes stated Ehat at the C3ty Co�cil meeCing on March 17, she:felt that
enough iciformation regarding costs had changed to wa;rant a special Parks &
Recreation Co�¢niss.fon meeting in order for the C wimission members to have some
`discussiop,'patCiculaYly about tne�ll wall,;before making some recommendation
to the. City Council.
Ms: Hughes stated that at the City Council meeting, the City Council awarded
the contract to the low bidder, they took the first alternative of adding the
r-oam aud included a nuuiber of ameadments that had heen negotiaCed by khe Staff--
mastly changes and deletions of cehat was in the b�ilding such as cabine.ts,
floora, carpeting, lighting, etc. So, essentially, they have the shell of the
building plus some of the utilities and equipment. She stated that by that
time, the price had gotten down low eno�gh that there was some talk by the
Sp�ingbxook Nature Center Foundation that the kall wall should be added in.
AC:Ehe meeting, there were some statements made that the heat loss'from the
t�1l:wall, if added, might be a lot higher than they had been told or were led
Co"be2ieve. In which case, it might be a poor thing to put in, She stated
that before the City Council voted on this, she had requested thaE they refer
it back to the Parks & Recreation Commission so that the Co�isaion could take
a look at whether or not;the kall wall was a good alternative, taking inao
cottsideration the aestheEics, the heat loss; etc,, and send a recou�iendation
to the City Council �or their April 7-meetirtg.-
Ms, Hughes stated that ti4e Co�ission had not voted an the -ka11 wall at, their
last meeting and had decided it should not be included because of the cast,
in terms of what ehe Commission knew at their last meeting. She thought now
th�t situaCion had changed.
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Mr. Qureshi stated he madeithe statement before the City Council that on the
positive side, the �7-Z wall would c�rtainly add aesthetic vaLue to the
building and-with the light coming in, it gives a feeting of openness, even
though the building �pace is sma11. On the negaCive side, the cost is $9,000
more, it has half the "R" value (insulating value) than that of a regular
roof, and also is more prone to vandalism. He felt vandalism was a serious
considerati.nn because the building is im an isolated area, and they want to
make the building as secur� and vandal-proof as possible.
Mr. Qureshi stated that to expand on the costs, lae did not want to say that
: the City has enough money.: The City does not have enough monep. The original
base contract bid :sas $376,6D0. They have deleted 551,575 worth of work, but
that work is not going to �o away. Their hope is that all of that work can be
staged over a period of time and'�e done by volunteeYS, materials donated by
businesses, etc. That work has to be accomplished to make this building a
fully-functioning building. They are essentially building the shell of the
t�uiiding-and lea��ing the flexibility of adding`these other things over a period
of time. There are ather costs that they sre definitely cou�itted to. One
cost is the architectural fee whj,ch is a sizable amount_ They also have to
provide utilities into the building and uther costs not in the $376,600, which
are parking iot, parking lot exCension, drive-in to Che building, landscaping,
paths, etc. He wante3 to inake sur.e the Gammission had the full information
on casts before making their recommendation to'City Ceuncil. It was his hape
that the money will.come'frem somewhere--donations, raised by,foundations,
comLiit�en. of public monies,etc.
Mr. I'oung asked if the SpYingbrook Nature Center Fouttdation was willing to put
mnnies into Y.he building?
Ms. Hughes stated that the Springbrook Nature Center Foundation is willing to
try to raise about $20,00�-by the end of the year, besed on the room alternative,
the kall wall, and other things tnside.
Mr. Kqndrick asked Mr. St. Glair`that, based on the �nformation given by
Mr. Qureshi, the attitude of the Springbrook Nature Genter Foundation, and
by previding volunteer lahor and finding constructian materials, would Mr. St. Clair
have a bnilding he could work with?
Mr. St. Ctair stated that!wxth what they are gaing to get, he felt theg could
initfate things and sake it look like something is there. He thought they
could dress it up by putting in Ehings on a temporary basis (such as shelving
with planks and bricks, exhXbits`, and padnted walls) while other work is being
done. It is.the cabinet work for storage that will hinder things. He felt
the kal� wall would make a big difference in appeaYance.
Ms. I}ughes asked if there wQre any calcuiations on how much rcof area compared
to hoc� much area is i±ndergrnund. It is ohvious there will be a heat loss in
the winter time and�a heat gain in the suuimer time through the kall wall.
The problem caas how big an area is it and how significant is the kall wall?. .
Mr. Raardman stated that khe ka21 wall raofing is $bout 1,200 sq. £t. Abovt
6(P/, o£ the building fs un�ergrot+nd. iie would say there fs about S,OOO sq, ft.
of total roofing. Even th�ough the energy calcuTations, thia building does fall
well within the statc standards for energy and enexgy efficiency.
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l�all wall for the aeath�t#.es and prograu�ing in tit� building
the rinderground part twght to play a big part in Lhe ccanstde
energy.
24r: Young stated that samething that was never mez�tinned and
thought would add a,fantastia amount of lighe wae'-skyYights
Was that euer-looked at by the architects?
of having the
'Ms. Seeger feels
tion of the total
something that he
in the roof itself.
Dr; Bouslreau sCated they did look at some skylights in the rounded part of .the
buildi:ng to provide Iight in the office area. The drawback with skylights;is
the pags�hility of them leaking, and he thought they would be better off with
a solid kEall_wall than with parts of it.
Mr, Quxeshi stated that in regard to the kall wall, there were a couple of more
things to be considere$.'. It would req.uire higher maintenance than a normal
xpof: Also, the heat loss"they would gain would be more of a consideration
�has the deletion of air conditioning in the su�er. He.stated he wanted to
atak� it clesr that he was at the meeting to give the Commission the entire
picture and was'not there.to say they should or should not have the.kall. wa11.
` Mr. Allen.asked how serious was the problem of vandalism with the.&all wall?
'.; iie appreciated the,aesthetics of the kall W�1},,-but 1Y would 3e frusCrating-
if it had to be patclxed fzequently.
R, BQr.. Qureshi stated th�t vaadalism is a serfous prohlem. They will have ai�
alaxm system, but it is, pretty hard to secure a roof from being dama�ed:
Mr; Young stated he talked to the contractor.in segard to patching tha'��Z
` wall roof, and the contractor:.said it could be patched very easily-on-site
with'a fiberglass type af material.
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Mr. Bpardman stated that the �li.wall was made fram the type of material that
was- p�etEy sturdy. It will resist rocks. The problem would be with weapons.
Mr.:Foung stated they were talking about.vandalism of the kall wall, but:ft
seemed to hi.m that the windows would be more attTactiye fnr vandalism and
more prone to breakage. ;
14r. Qureshi stated that,included in the $51;575 deletion was an alternative
Ca �+ravide metal shutters,which would come�down wh�n a button was pushed so
Che 6uilding becomes secuxe. What they are providing at this time is the
ale+ctrical hook-up so that ean be put in at a l�tex time.
1�#T✓ St. Glair stated that'Che building would pxoba3>2y be open seven days a
weel€ on a regular hour2y irasis. 'From a vandalism standpofnt, the fact that
t�,ere irilt be staff around the building most of Lhe time makes it not as open
to vandals as Locke Perk where there is no stafF on-site. Maybe later on,
th�y could have gates that"would be c�osed at night,.
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Dr. Soudreau stated:it is a fact'that there is'going to be vandalism. Their
interest is to reduee the vandalism wherever possible. The kal� Wall is more
attractive for vanda).ism than a regular roof. It is up to personal'taste, do
theg or do they not want the kalt wa11?
Mr. Young stated he did nct know 3f the kall_wall was worth $9,000 just to
get light. It was a lot Co pay for a sma11 square footage of roo£.
Mr. Allen stated he was pretty satisfied with Che toughness o£ the kall caall,
and lhe energy situation seemed .tu even itself out preCty weli. It would be
a very attractive thing to have, especially in a`nature center-type of setting.
He was still a little conce�ned about vandali.sm and the isolated location of
the building:
Mr. Kondrick stated he was �n faeot of the kal3, wall and thought ib wou2d be
magnificent.
Mr. Qureshi stated that another e2ement in the cost.was that there 3s no gas
available on the site. TYge gas company will npt run a line becaus� it is too
lang a run and too small a building, so t12e City will have to provide its own
LP �as syster.�. Just 'the cost of the gas tanks 4s $600 a year plus 59.9� a gallon
for the gas.
Mr. Boardman stared the ii�stallatton of.,the ta�xks is $200 and the tanks are
$400. There will be 2.— T,O�O gallon tanks ta carry the load and there is a
three-year lease agreemenC on the tanks,
Mr. Boardman stated there will be some heat gain through the kall wall during
the day in the wir.ter, but there will be a heat loss in the evening, so it
may balance out.
Mr. 5t. C1air stated he Ehought tfiat from the standpoint of progra�ing and
from the standpoint of how visitors feel ahout the building, he:felt the 1ca11
wa13 would make a tremencious difierence. The whol.e structural system of the
building is designed for {he kali"wall and if they go to a different kind of
roof, iC will not match u�+ «rith the beam system. He would reconm�end that the
kall wall be added.
Mr. Qureshi. stated tbat it is a matter of money and if the Coummisaion feels
they can raise $lOQ-1;20,OE3Q, he would raco�rend that they go with the �il wall..
There Ls certainly nU question that it would be an added charact�ristic to
the building.
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2. I.EASE`WITtI AidOKA Ct1VN'i'Y:
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- M hi stat d h was brin i this item a because the timing on it is
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critical. The City is considerfng working with Anotca County by having some
of'the facilities that are either being essentially used on a regional basis
ar have the potential of being used on a regional hasis be maintained by t�e
County lnstead of'_the`City. Their interest was in three areas; (1) North Park,
(2) Locke Park, and (3) FMC/Islands of Peace Park. All of these facilities
are 100 acres or over.
Mr. Qureshi sCated that as the Commission might be aware; the County has now
Bhown an outward interest in taking wer the maintenance of North.Park,but because
there is metro funding available for Locke.Park and the FMC Property because they
aYe going to part of the metro system, the County has some interest in consider-
ing this question. He stated they have sun some analyses,'and it is costing the
City of Fridley almost $54,000 per year to maintain Locke Park and Islands of .
Peace Fark. .
_ Mr. Qureshi atated he had two basic reasons why it would be in the City's best
interest to consider this question.
1. If he had $50,0�0, instead of putting it into a regional facility
that was used als� by residents of Minneapolis, Coon Rapids, and
Blaine, he'would prefer to have that money go into the neighborhood
parks. As he understood it, the GounCy has the rationale for :
considering Locke Park and the F'MC Froperty, but has difficulty
with North Park. If the County was maintaining two parks of the
th�ee; there might be same rationale in the City taking some of tke
money sgent on the two parks to spend on North Park.
2. .There has been a problem for a-number of years to geC the Highway
-3?epartment to pue in a signal at Highway 47 and 69th Ave., because
thete is not enough cross traffic to warrant a signal, according.
Go state highway standards. Finally, it has come down to the f�ct
'that the City and Anoka Cwnty are going to fund thab signal lOCP/,.
They have an agreement with Anoka County that they will work to.get
$25,000 from the Metropolitan Trail System (because that is where
the Metropolitan Trail System will go} to fund that signal. The
sigaal has been le£t now and, hopefully, work wi11 he progressing ,
this year. Unless they can make.saue arrangements with the park ,
facilities, those funds are 3n question.
Mr. Q�reshi stated that, (1) as long as the City has title to the properties,
{2j as long as the City States that any facilities built on those properties
haue,Co be approved and concurred by the Gity so;fhey have full`control over
what happerts on the properEies, and (3) the County statea they are willing to
cflme in.and maintain e�e existing facilities, from the City's,point Qf view,
this would be a good Ching: He felt this would protect the City's interest
if they could get thar klnd o£ agreement from the County. He stated Chat if
the City can get these three basic things from the County and a1Z the County
woold be doing is maintaining the property as the City now doea, would the
Commission go'along with this?
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Mr. Young stated that if the County went along with thoae conditionsy he would
be in favor o£ i.t.
Ms. Aughes stated that what the Gommission had talked about-at their last meetias I
w�e a lease arrangement whex'e the City in essence was giving the park and-the only
t?iing the City was maintaining was the title and no other control._ The reason
the Co�ission had delayed any decision on that was because they really wanted
to know what a11 the different options were, She had no objections to
preliminary discussions, i�ut she was nat ready:to make the decision that this
wa� agreeable, because she did nc�t think the Co�nission knew all the ramifications.
Ar. Bovdreau stated there is ao city programmi:np, at these facilities, because
these facilil-ies are uzainly used as picnic areas`and self-use araas. The County
operating and maintaininv!tttose pa,ks is not going to preclude that. The City
is spending a 1ot of �nneyAr�iaintaining these facflities when, in fact, r.he use
pattern shows that the re$,�.dents of Fridley are probably not the primary users
of tne regi.onal facilities. The City also spectde a l�t of money on patrolling.
With this operation and m�intenance comeS park patrol from the County.
Mr.:Konc'.rick stated if the'AGity retained control of the iacilities, he would be in
favor of a lease with Anoka County,
Dr. Boudreau stated.this agr.eemant would be no different than hhe agreements the-
City has with School llist�icts 13, 16, and 14. They have joint powers agreements
where itte City will place.£aciliYies on si.hool pYOp�rties and the City`will
maintain those facilities;;,howeve;., the City-use'.priGriti.es and the school-use
griorities are outlined. 1'he school districts get the credit for tliose facilities,
but the CiCy operates and tnaiittains them.
MOT?ON BY MR. YOUNG. SEGDNDED BY MR. ALLEN. TO RECOMA;�ND THAT THE CITY COiiNCIL
Ms, Hubhes sta*ed the Con�n�ission.was told two nonths ago that there was no
deadline on tliis item; Sbe was ;upset ttiaC this cau�e up now wlien the agenda
was only for discussion pf the building at Nor�h Park. She was very uncomfortable
in not loalcing at this wi�h a great deal nf thougtit which the Commission has not
done because che did not think Chere was a timetable on it. In terms of a
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, joint powers agreeme�t, ff that agreement could be framed in such a way that
the County would pay the City to do the maintenance`and operation, she would
prefer that hecause of the kind of control the Citq would have. The City's
costs would be much lower than the County's. The Ching tfie City must avoid
is giving away its parks, and the City could easily do thaC if the County
chooses to interpret any kind o£ joint powers agreement broadly.
Mr. Young stated the one thing the County could do far better than'the City is
the security aspect.
UPON A VOIGE VOTE, KANDRICK, YQUNG, AND ALLEtI VOTING AYE, HUGHES VOTING NAY,
CHQIRPERSON HUGHES DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED,.
- Mr. Qureshi stated the reason he felt it was iaiportant to get a moeion from
the Parks & Recreation Co�nission on this question was if the City Council is
going to consider anytkting about prwiding fvnding, this might be a small
consideration in their overall evaluation bf some of the additional things
being asked for in the North Park facility. If the 1ow contract bid had been
lower than they actually got for the North Park 'facility, there would not have
been this time pressure. Also the City Council has the desire to get some
funding through the Metropolitan Trails System £or the signal. He was sorrp
if the Commission felt they were being pushe@ on this issue.
3. OTHER BUSINESSc
Mr. Qureshi stated bhat at the last City Council meeting, there was some dis-
cussioa aiid a desire was expressed by the City Council members that the City
Gouncil and the Parks & Recreation Caum�ission should have an opporCunity tb
have an informal discussion on a face-to-face basis. Ae felt this would be
l�elpful and would give the City Ccuncil memSers and the Commission members an
bpportunity to meet each other and discuss things informally. He stated that
if the Commission members were available on Monday, April 7, he waild invite
them to attend at about 9:00 to 9:30 P.M. for this meeting.
Ms. Hughea told Mr. Qureshi to schedule them on the agenda and as many Commissioa
members as possi6le would be there.
ADJOURPitfENT :
Ghairperaon Hughes declared the April 3, 1980, Special Parks �&ecreation
Goum}ission meeting adjourned at 10:30 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Recording Secretarg
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COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION
MEETING
_ APRIL 8, 1980
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Oquist called the April 8, 1980, Community Development Co�ission
meeting to order at 7:38 p.m.
ROLL CALL•
Members Present: LeRoy Oquist, Connie t•fodig, A1 Gabel, Kenneth V'os,
Sharon Gustafson
Members Absent; None
Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
APPROVAL OF MARCH 11, 1980, C0�'L`fUNITY DEVELOPMENf COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Gabel, to approve the March 11, 1980,
Community Development Cov¢nission minutes.
Mr. Vos stated that; to be consistent with the change made to the minutes at
the Planning Commission level, on page 1, third paragraph from the bottom of
the page, "Riverside Plant" should be changed to "Minneapolis Waterworks".
However, he wanted it noted that at the meeting, the term used by Mr. Oquist
was "Riverside Plant".
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECI,ARED THE MLNUfES
APPROVED AS AMENDED,
1. ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERS�N (Serve S/1/80 - 5/1/81): `
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Mr. Oquist declared the nominations open for c6airperson. _
Ms. Modig xenominated LeRoy Oquist for chairperson.
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded bp Pir. Gabel, to close the nominations and cast
a ��h�te ballot for LeRoy Oquist for Chairperson of the Community Development
Covmiission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Oquist declared
the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Oquist declared the nominations open for vice-chairperson.
Mr. Gabel renominated Connie Modig for vice-cheirperson.
pi�TION by Mr. Gabel, seconded by Ms. Gustafson, to close the nominations and
cast a white ballot for Connie Modig for Vice-Chairperson of the Community
pevelopment Comr�ission. Upon a voice vote, alI voting aye, Chairperson Oquist
declared the motion carried unanimously.
CObA7[RJITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 8 1980 PAGE 2
2. BIKEWAY/WALKWAY GRANT PRESENTATION:
Mr. Deblon stated that the Cammission had requested updates on the maps of
the Bikeway/Walkway System, The Commission had received in their packets maps
of the latest version of the Bikeway/Walkway System, based on the adopted plan
for 1975. He stated there have been a few changes from the 1975 adopted
version. What brought this about was Staff's knowledge of a possible grant
for an off-road bikeway alignment from Mississippi Street (Center City area)
to the new Fridley Community Park. He stated the location of this proposed
bikeway was shown on the "Project Location Map", running from Mississippi St.
and linking up to the Regional Rice Creek Trail System at 69th.
Mr. Oquist asked if all the bike lanes and bike routes were completed?
Mr. Deblon stated that, to his knowledge, the lanes and routes were all completed.
Mr. Oquist stated that a year ago, the Commission made a motion thaC Mississippi
have off-street biking and had recommended that the boulevard be used for a
bikeway. What was the status for a bikeway system on Mississippi?
Mr. Deblon stated that Mississippi was a county road. The City was proposing
to get an off-street trail along ttiere, but he did not know if that would ever
happen.
Mr. Deblon indicated the Regional Rice Creek Trail 5ystem on the map, stating
that this regional trail system was implemented by Anoka County via Metropolitan
Council and Regional Trail funds. That trail will be through the southern half
of the Fridley Community Park and will eventually go through the Islands of
Peace and FMC to link into the Minneapolis Bikeway System.
Mr. Deblon stated they felt Che bikeway between Mississippi and 69th was a key
link between the Center City area and the Fridley Community Park. He stated
that the State had legislated $4 million for the coordination and constxuction
of bikeways, state-wide--$1 million is-for the Twin City area. He stated the
staf£ fias wri�tten a pr�liin�naryappliratinn, Tfie grant that sta£f c�s loaking.
at 75% atas fvnded bg the State with_a 25% ms�tefi_frp� the C�ty� He stated
they were in the process of compiling the total cost and hoped to submit these
plans the end of the week. He stated the City Council has tentativel approved
this grant application.
The Coum�ission members concurred with the need for the proposed bikeway,
concurred with the placement of the bikeway from Mississippi St. to the Rice
Creek Trail System, and recommended that staff proceed with the grant application.
They also were in concurrence that they wouZd like to be kept posted on the
progress of this bikeway.
Mr. Oquist stated the Co�ission should give some thought about what should
be done on Mississippi St.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMF.NT CObII�ff SSION MEETING APRIL 8, 1980 PAGE 3
Ms. Modig read the Commission's motion made at the February 13, 1979, meeting
where the Commission "recommended to City Counci�, through Planning.Commission,
that the Bikeway System be continue� on Missi�sippi St.. with off-street biking.
Also, to reco�end that an alternative bikeway route for Osborne Road be the
use of 73rd Ave. as soon as possible past East River Road."
Ms. Modig stated that to make this proposed bikeway a viable system, something
had to be done with Mississippi.
Mr. Oquist stated that it bothered him that Mississippi is really the main
street. The general pattern is going to he down Mississippi St., particularly
with the development of the Center City area.
Mr. Deblon stated that priorities have to be set, and maybe a recoumiendation
from this Commission could be to set Mississippi St, as a priority.
Dr. Vos stated he would prefer to have the Coumiission make that recommendation
at a later time so that it would not tend to interfere with the priority of the
proposed bikeway grant.
3. CONTINUED: ANOKA COUN1"Y AIRPORT TASK FORCE:
Mr. Deblon stated that A1 Perez from the Noise Section of the MPCA, gave a
special noise presentation to the Anoka County Airport Task Force on March 21.
Mr. Deblon stated Chat TRA, the consultant hired by MAC (Metropolitan Airports
Commission),had come up with noise level contours emitted from an airport on
an LDN (level of day/night noise) comparative methodology, which was total noisefor
a day averaged over a year. He dtated that I10 was the state standard for noise and
is a level of noise for IO minutes out of an haur, 65 decibels during the day
and 55 decibels during the night. He stated that with the LDN, there would never
be a violation. The LDN would never show a violation for airports, garbage
trucks, lavmmowers, and stereos. The LDN would work for a highway where there
is a constant noise.
Mr. Deblon stated that the conclusion of the Task Force was that they have to
demand noise contours where state standards will be violated.
Mr. Deblon stated that Mr. Perez stated that the L10 3tate standard did not
pr•otect quietude, the standard only protects the health. Mr. Perez stated that
the violaters of noise are the airports, highways, and the railroad, not the
airplane, the car, truck, and train. lie then ied up to the NPC-5 Noise
Installation Pernit, stating that it was our right Co say, do we want this
airport, highway, or railroad? That is why the MPCA dropped the operation
permit and went to the installation pe�it on the NPGS.
Mr. Deblon stated that Mr. Perez would be at the April 9 Planning Commission
meeting to discuss the NPC-S Noise Installatlon Permit.
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Mr. Deblon stated that he did not attend the April 3 Task Force meeting.
Mr. Boardman attended that meeting and said not much was discussed at that
meeting.
Mr. Deblon stated that all infoxmation on the Anoka County Airport was on file
at the Fridley Library for those interested.
Mr. Aeblon stated that the Task Force would have an open house on May 3 at
Blaine City Hall and would encorage the Commission members to attend.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Mr. Gabel, seconded by Ms. Modig, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the April 8, 1980,
Commun3ty Development Commission meeting adjourned aC 8:45 p.m.
Respectfully sub tted,
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Recording Secretary
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H�USING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
MEETING .
APRIL 10, 1980
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Commers called the April 10, 1980, Housing & Redevelopment
Authority meeting to order at 7:36 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Larry Covsners, Elmars Prieditis, Carolyn Svendsen
Members Ahsent; Russell Houck, Duane Prairie
Others Present; Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Marvin Brunsell, City Finance Director ^
Sohn Flora, Public Works Director
Virginia SEeinmetz, League of T•lomen Voters
APPROVAL OF MARCH 13, 1980, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Prieditis, seconded by Ms. Svendsen, to approve the
March 13, 1980, Housing & Redevelopment Authority minutes as written.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Commers declared the motion
carried unanimously.
1. PRESENTATION BY MARVIN BRUNSELL CITY OF FRIDLEY FINANCE DI
Mr, Commers staCed that at the last meeting, the HRA had requested that
Mr. Brunsell be present at this meeting to explain the budgeting techniques.
Mr. Brunsell stated he would review what has happened in the past and then
bring the HRA up to date on the budgeting techniques, He stated that the
City has maintained two separate funds on the City's books and records prior
to the HRA becoming aetive again. These two funds are Eund 08, Home Ocaner-
ship Fund, and Fund 10, Community Development Block Grant Pund. The
Cormnunity Development Block Grant Fund has four programs: (1) administrative,
(2) housing maintenance, (3) H�me Rehabilitation Program, and (4) Resource
Center. These things have been ongoing on the City's books and records
since 1977. This is in the CiCy bank account, completely separate from the
HRA.
Mr. Brunsell stated they are now at the point where these funds are being
turned over the HRA. These funds have nothing to do with the Tax Increment
pistrict or the Center City Project. They are completely separaCe and are
things that have had the activity in the past. Even £or the first two
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months of 1980, these funds have been on "the City's books and records.
Mx. Brunsell stated this information was in a memo dated 4/8/80 that he had
written to the HRA and Jerry Boardman on "Accounting Procedures for Housing &
Redevelopment Authority."
Mr. Boardman stated that what had happened prior to the establ.ishment of the
HRA, all the money from the Federal Government came into the City of Fridley.
About 1-12 months ago, they changed the placement of those funds from the
City of Fridley to the HRA account. He believed it was in March that all the
Federal monies were now coming straight into the HEA account, So, up until
the time the money started coming into the HRA account, there was no reimburse-
ment necessary from the HRA to the City of Fridley, because [hose funds were
coming directly fram the Chicago disbursing office,
Mr. Co�ners asked if the HRA was now going to be approving expenditures for
projects approved and started by the City.
Mr. Boardman stated that the HRA will be approving expenditures after the
transfer of funds because the City of Fridley will no longer be writing the
checks and the HRA will be writing those checks. These are programs started
by the City of Fridley.
Mr. Coa�ers stated his concern related to the HRA approving expenditures on
a register for items that the HRA had not established or reviewed at all. If
there was going to be expenditures for those programs, he was not sure the
HRA was the one to Ue approving those expenditures.
Mr. Boardman stated the problem was the the City was transferring these funds
right in the middle, and all of these expenditures were paid for by a check
from the City of Fridley and not a check from the HRA; therefore, these checks
have to be reimbursed to the City of Fridley since the HRA now receives that
money from the gw ernment. From now on, the HRA will be approving checks
for all rehab programs and other programs, because those programs are now
vnder the operation of the fIRA. All checks for rehabs, acquisitions, sale of
lots, etc., are checks written on the HRA account and not the City of Fridley
account. . �
Mr. Commers stated that at the next meeting, he would like Mr. Boardman to
give a criteria and sumnary of the rehab program as it presently exists, as
he did not think the HRA had reviewed this program. •
Mr. Br.unsell stated Mr. Commers' commeats were very good. He was glad to
see that [he HRA had an interest in the financial part of this. As he under-
stood it, Mr. Commers was concerned that the HRA be in on a project from the
beginning and make sure the project meets the HRA's criteria before money
is committed.
Mr. Commezs stated that was part of it. He did not foresee any problems in
that regard on the ongoing programs. I�e was concerned about the transfer in
midstream to the HRA's jurisdiction of a program not reviewed by the HRA and
asked to approve expenditures that liad apparently been allocated by City Council.
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HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETTNG APRIL 10, 148Q - PAGE 3
Mr. Brunsell agreed with Mr. Commers and stated it was going to be difficult,
not only for the HRA, but also difficult for the City. -
Mr. Commers stated that as he understood it, all reimbursements the HRA will
be making ro the City will be charged against the Center City Project Fund
No. 1.
Mr. Brunsell stated thar was right. All other general expenses that did not
qualify the HRA would not see.
Mr. Boardman stated that would be true at this point in time, unless it is
otherwise decided by Che HRA or the City Council thaC a tax or some type of
levy for general operating funds would be established.
Mr. Commers asked that in addition
transferred to the HRA account, what
HRA2
to Fund 08 and Fund 10 that is being
other funds would be set up for the
Mr, Brunsell stated they will have a separate construction or project fund
for each area. He felt it would be better to keep the different phases
separate, because if someone at some point in time wanted to see those funds
separate, it would be very difficult if they were not kegt separate from the
beginning.
Mr. Commers stated that he agreed it would be betCer to keep the different
phases separate.
Mr. Commers stated he did think the HRA should keep some kind of record on '
the expenditures they are incurring on the Center City Project as they go
along.
Mr. Brunsell stated they could keep track of that and give the HRA a report
on a monthly basis,
Mr. Boardman stated they have just received the year-end reports for 1979
and he would get the HRA a copy oi the report for Program 145, which is the
Center City Projece. That wi11 tell the total expenditures for 1979. After
that, he would keep the HRA informed on a monthly basis.
Mr. Boardman stated that in order to open up the HRA account, they had a '
$5,000 balance on hand in Fund OS and Fund 10 programs. They transferred
that $5,000 over to the HRA account, but there was also a$5,000 advance
from the Program 144 - General Fund. That program fund is the Section 8
existing program. That program is a general fund operation which the City
Planning Department is operating and that is the existing Rent Subsidy Program.
Since that program has been operating since 1976, tl�ey have accumulated
$12,000 in that fund that is surplus monies. ThaC surplus came from an
accounting procedure set up by the Federal Government which allowed them to
accumulate that much money over that period of time. They were able to keep
that money to be used for other housing programs. Under the Large Family
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING APRIL 10 198Q - PAGE 4
Home Ownership Program, they felt $8,000 administration costs may not be
enough so they transferred $5,000 out of that $12,000 surplus to the HRA
account to be used as surplus administrative costs if needed for the housing
program.
Mr. Brunsell stated that in the ARA account for the first two months of 1980,
they had $10,000 ($5,000 transferred from Program 144 and $5,000 transferred
from the City of Fridley's accoUnt on Fund O8) and no expenses.
Mr. Cou�ers thanked Mr, Brunsell for coming to the meeting.
Mr. Boardman stated he would like to take this opportunity to introduce
John F1ora, the City'.s new Public Works Director.
Mr. Flora stated his involvement with the HRA right now is to find out what
the HRA is doing, what the HRA is involved in, and what the program is all
about so he can help develop programs to support the HRA in their activities.
2. RECEIVE PHASE I SOHEDULE OF ACTIVITIES FOR CENTER CITY PROJECT:
Mr. Boardman stated that this schedule of activities was for the HRA's
information to get some fee3back from them as to a schedule of activities
for Phase I of the project--the JVD proposal. He stated they were looking
at the end of May for determination of the market potential, mid-June for the
determination of size of building, and July for the property needs. They
would like to he able to make some determination on the feasibility of the
project, whether "go" or "no go" by the end of July.
Mr. 13oardman stated they had a meeting with Mark Haggerty of JVD scheduled
for the following day. He and Mr, Doyscher will be asking JVD some pretty
straight questions to find out where JVD is and how far they have progressed.
Mr. Boardman stated there has been s�me concern that the process is bogging
down and taking too long. He stated that is why they want some strong
questions as to where JVD is at and whether JVD intends to comply with the
HRA's requests as far as putting the project together.
Mr. Boardman stated he would like the HRA to receive this schedule if it
meets their approval.
Mr. Co�ers stated he had no problem receiving the Phase I Schedule of •
Activities up through July. After that time, the situation should be
reviewed again and determine the subsequent dates.
Mr. Prieditis agree�.
Mr. Boardman agreed and stated this is a timetable that the consultant set
down as a realistic timetable and anything past the July date would be diffi-
cult to maintain at this geriod of time.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTfiORITY MEETING AYRIL 10 1980 - PAGE 5
Mr. Commers received the "Center City Project Phase I Schedule of Activitiea"
into the record.
3. EXECUTIVE'S DIRECTOR REPORT ON CURRENT PROJECTS:
A, Rehabilitation Program
Mr. Boardman stated that he wou7;d inform the HRA about the Fund 10
program a little better at the next meeting, but he would like to
inform the HRA that right now there are 14 rehabs under way and 13
are canpleted. The attachment to his Memo ��80-22 to Visgil Herrick
outlined the list of the 13 rehabs, where those people are located,
the amount of grant, and the contract date, Right now they want to
attach liens to the property. Those liens wi11 go for a period of
5 years. After the 5 years, the lien is off the property. If these
people move prior to the 5 years, they will have to reimburse a
percentage of the grant to the HRA,
B. Large Family Home Ownership Program
Mr. Boardman stated that the City advertised in the City spring
newsletter about the Large Family Home Ownership Program. To date,
they have had seven applications for the existing five lots. Six
of those seven applicants qualified under the income limitations.
They are still in the administrative process on how they are going
to sell the lots and what kind of attachments will be put on those
lots. Those details have not been worked out yet and that is the
reason for the Memo �k80-24 to Virgil Herrick dated April 7, 1980,
which outlines wfiat conditions the HRA should place in a purchase
agreement; and that �fter the sale, what they should require in a
promissory note as allo*aed by HUD so they can keep the fund spending
to benefit low and moderate income persons.
Ms. Svendsen asked if these mortgages were assumable?
Mr. Boardman stated h2 thought they were assumable mortgages, but
it was also something to be looked at.
Mr. Cov�ers stated that was a good point. If the City is selling •
the lot to a buyer at a disc wnted price for the intention of
creating a low and moderate income house, if these people move
out and sell the house to somebody else, that new buyer may not be
in the same economic position as the previous owner. It�maybe at
that poinC that some money should come back to tfle HRA. Mr. Boardman
should check to see if these mortgages are assumable.
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HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTfIORSTY MEETING APRIL 10, 1980 - PAGF. 6
C. Lot Split Procedure
Mr. Boardman stated he had written a memo �d80-23 to the HRA dated
April 4, 1980, stating he nas made applications to the City for lot
splits on both 6025 - 3rd St. N.E; and 5832 University Ave. N.E.,
and these lot splits will be presented to the Planning.Commission
on April 23 and to the City Council on May 5. He has also made an
application for a vacation of the alley on 5832 University Ave.,
which would give them the adequate amount of square footage
required by city code. Within that process, they should get surveys
on those lots and those surveys will cost approximately $200 for
each property, He would like to get the approval of the HRA to get
the surveys on those lot splits.
MOTION by Mr, Prieditis, seconded by Ms. Svendsen, to authorize
the Executive Director to get surveys for the lot splits on
5832 University Ave, N;E; and 6025 - 3rd St, N.E. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Commers declared the motion carried
unanimously.
D. Demolition Contracts
Mr. Boardman stated the i1RA had copies of some quotes for demolition
and he would lilce to get the approval of the HRA to do the demolition
on the Parlin's house, 6025 - 3rd St. N.E.
Mr. Boardman stated that with the Vern Johnson property, 5832 Univ.
Ave. N.E., they were still trying to decide what to do with the
garage that is on the property. The Parks & Recreation Department
does not want the garage. The City is in the process of advertising
it. That adverti-sing legally takes three weeks before they can
accept any bids. They should have some indicatipn by the next HP,A
meeting as to whether or not anyone wants to buy it.
Mr. Boardman stated he had two demolition contracts, one by Dennis
Herbst of Herbst Construction, and one by Carl Bolander & Sons Co.
On 6025 - 3rd St. N.E., for both the garage and the house including
fill, Aerbst Construction quoted $1400. Car1 Bolander quoted $1800
for the same,
On 5832 University Ave. N.E., Herbst Construction quoted $1200
for the house plus $200 for the garage, including fi11. Carl Bolander
quoted $1900 for the house plus an additional $150 for the garage,
including fill.
Mr. Boardman stated he �aould like to proceed with the demolition
oi the Parlin property and wait on the ,Tohnson property until they
decide what to do with the garage.
HOUSING & REDGVELOPMENT AUTHORZTY MEETING APRIL 10 1980 - PA�E 7
Mr. Commers stated that the HRA really had no adopted procedures
for administration of their authority, and he would presume good
judgment would dictate them to govern themselves as the City does
on other projects. But he was noC so sure that the HRA did noC need
their own guidelines and policies and procedures.
Mr. Boardman stated that was a good idea, They have heen trying
to handle these things as closely as possible to the way the City
operates. He stated when he meets with Mr. Herrick, they can talk
about a procedure for the HRA. IC may be there is some procedure
already laid out by state law,
MOTION by Ms. Svendsen, seconded by Mr. Prieditis, to accept the
bid of $1400 from Herbst Construction Co. for the demolition of
the house and garage and basement, including fi11, at 6025 - 3rd St. NE,
with the assumption that a1Z concrete will be hauled away.
Mr. Co�ers stated that Mr. Boardman should make sure that the
removal and hauling of basement concrete is included in hoth bids.
If not, Mr. Boardman should bring it back to the HRA for a second
look.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON CONIMERS DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIF.D UNANIMOUSLY;
E. Acquisition of Property at 5738 - 7th St. N.E. (Lots 3, 4, and
Block 32, Avde Parkl:
Mr. Boardman geferred to Memo ��80-26 which he had written to the
HRA asking for direction from the HRA on the acquisition of this
property. He stated this house is presently vacant and is for sa1e,
and the property owner is asking $36,800. The house is located on
3- 44 foot 1ots. The City could get two buildable lots out of
that property. The house is a substandard house. The property
owner is interested if the City wants to start the process of
acquisition an it.
Mr. Commers stated thaT. it seemed like something the HRA should
proceed with, even though the timing coas not really right.
The HRA concurred that staff should be given the authority to
proceed on the acquisition process for the property at 5738 - 7th St. N.E.
4. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. Approval of Check Register
Mr. Boardman sCated he c�ould like the HRA to approve the Check
Register for the issuance of a check in the amount of $24,321.42
to the City of Fridley.
HOUSING & REDEVELOFMENT AUTfiORITY MEETING APRIL 10 1980 - PAGE 8
MOTION by Mr. Prieditis, seconded by Ms. Svendsen, to accept the
expenditures and approve the Checic Register of $24,321.42. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Commers declared the
motion carried unanimously.
B. Letter dated March 14, 1980 from Smith, Juster, Feikema Malmon and
Haskuitz, Re: Conflict of Interest
Mr. Boardman stated this letter was in response to a memo from
Dave Newman requesting a letter from Smith, Juster, Malmon and
Haskuitz on conflict of interest.
Mr. Co�ners stated that Mr. Boardman should review this Zetter with
Mr. Newman and get a memo fram Mr. Newman stating that this letter
meets the requirements Mr. Newman had requested. This item should
be continued until Mr. Boardman gets a response from Mr. Newcian.
C. Concerns Raised by Planning Conunission
Mr. Co�ers stated he did not know if A1r. Boardman had had the
opportunity to communicate with the Planning Commission and tell
the Planning Co�issiott of the status of the HRA and its programs,
and whether Mr. $oardman felt it was necessary t� invite the
Flann�ng Commission members to one of the HRA meetings in order to
review what is taking place.
Mr. Eoardman stated this has been discussed with the Planning
Commission. He stated that alI HRA minutes are received by the
Planning Commission and there is lots of discussion on the activities
of the HRA. At tt�e last meeting, the Planning Commission discussed
the possibility of coming to the HRA meetings, and Mr. Boardman
stated he would inform the Planning Cammission of all the HRA meetings.
I�e feZt at this time that the Planning Commission was well informed
on the activities of the HRA.
Mr, Commers stated that the Planning Commission members are invited
to attend any or all of the HRA meetings. If the Planning Commission
would like any kind of explanation on any of the HRA programs, they
should communicate this to the Executive Director, Mr. Boardman,
and the HRA can discuss at their meeting how to respond to that
request. •
ADJOURNPIENT:
Chairperson Covaners declared the April 10, 1980, Housing & Redevelopment
Authority meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
� .C' 4 1
yr�i e Saba"
Recording Secretary
� Clxf OF FRIDLrY
p,PI'EALS COi•]i�tiISSION i,:Ei:7'.Ti`(C� TUi:SuAY,iAPY.IL 1 i. 1930 ____
CALL TO 03DER
Chairperson i�is. SehnaUel c�.11ed the Aprxl 1�, 1q80 meeting of —
the Ap�eals Commission to order: at 7s37 P.P.i.
ROLL C9iL
Puembers Presents �+1s. Gabel, �"ir. Barn�, "+ir. Ple:nel, i��s. Schnabel,
i�1r. Kemper {Arr. � �j:4} P.i•i. }
&iembers Absent: None
Others Presents Tvlark Sheppr�.rd, 621 Jaxiesville St. , Fridley
�uargaret :.ulrine, 313� icuth St. , Fridley
Edwar.d Perla,an, Arae:ican Builders, 3758 P�nn Ave. Pda.
Iriinneapoli s
John Flora, Public'�`Jorks Dept. City of Fridley
Darrel Clar'r., City of Fridley, Chief Buildi:�g
Official
AP?ROVAL OF i'� ARCH ?_i, 1980, _'1PP�9LS CO�:;'=ISSI013 GiINi3T�S: '
',��r. Barna, stated, that on page, one, the first iiotion, should
read i5r. Barna. not ::is. Barna.
::�:OTION by i:�s. GabeJ., seconded i:�r, Barna, 'to �.pprove the corrected
P�i�rch 25, 19s0 Appe�.l� Corar�ission :+:eetin; niinutes.
UPON A VOI.'".E VOT�, ALL VOTI"1G P,YE, CHAIRPE3SCN SCHN'aBEI,, D:.�`•LAR :D
THE i::OTION PASS'�u UNANI:iOUSLY.
i.
I:i0TI0Pt by ;,:r. Plemel, seconded by I�ir. ?�arna, to open the Public '
Hearin�.
[3pON � VOIC? V�T�,', AL�, VOTII\G AYE, CHAIi?P�RSOI� SC}IYJAI3EL, D:CLA:iED
Ti-I� PIISLIC tif:r�iZIiSG OP1:�i AT 7:40 P.:i.
T"s. uchn��c1 re;�d tize staff r�part:
ADt7INISTRATIVE S7AFF REPORT
E21 Janesville Street N.E.
f;: PU[it.IC PUR"r05E SERVL-� 3Y REQUIR[PiEtdT:
�� Section 205.053, �A, requires a minimum front yard setback of 35 feet.
APP'_i.AL:> C0;'!;:iT ;SIOP' :,'^_°.TINC April 1, 1980 Pa�;e 2
Pu�lic purpose served by this requirement is to provide open space for
off-streeL parking without encro�ching onta pu8lic right of way. Also
for aesthetie consideration of not reducing the "buiiding line of sight"
encroactiment into a neigfibor's front yard.
Section 205.053, 0.B, subparagraph 4, requires a minimum side yard
setback of 5 feet for an attached garage.
"' Public purpose served b,y this requirement is to provide space between
individual structures to reduce conflagration of fire, to provide access
to the rear yard for emergencies, and t� limit the condition of crowding
in a residential neighborhood.
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
"I�le have only a one bedroom house and with one child we need mare room
for our grow9ng family. W� want to add on bedrnoms and a basement onto
the west side of the existing hr�use which is 37 feet from the curb,"
Staff Note: Grandinother called in and stated that petitioner wanied.to
ask for a variance for an 1R' x 22' �arage on same request. lde were unable
to reach petitioner for hardship on garage variance.
C. ��IDMINISTRATIVE STFlFF REVTFi�I:
Tf�e deviation of one foot closer to the street with the fron of the house
wiil not change the existing cendition a great amount, and if the Commission
approves this variance we have no stipulalations to reco�amend on it.
The 22 foot propos2ci garage, if constructed, Hri11 oniy be 5.5, feet away from
the post supporting a car oert at 631 Ja�esville. This car port has a 2 foot
overhang resulting in a 3.5 clearance to the nev� garage proposed at 621
Janesvilie. This threeand a half �eet trould t�e reduced !;ore'if �hh's nerr�structure
has ari overhang.
The building code req�ires that there be 6 feet between aarages unless the
adjacent walls have no openin9s and are rated ror one hour fire resistance.
Tfierefore, the foilowing optional stipuTatior,s are recammended by staff.
(1) Deny Che request and build a 20 foot gara9e.
(2) If less that 3.5 feet from lot line the west wall should have
no openings and be ofi 1 hour fire resistant construction. .
;i,-, pl.eroel questioned if tY:e me;�surements between the garaUe,
and the car port ��rer.� correct?
",Zr. C131�k stiated t_�.,t �,'.;e ;,�e-�aurec�,ents �n the sta�f revietiv, tvere
incorr2ct. He st>ited chat uner C. ?.dr;inistr;�±ive St�ff ;;eview:
t�:e second p3x_�g�°apti U'r.euld re�d as iol?o�:vss
"The ?_?_ foo� propo:sed ,•.;�,ra„e, ix constrt;cted, vai:11 only Ue �.5 feet
av✓a;,- fror.� the post sunr,orti.r.�; a c<?.r por;; -;t u31 Janesville, Th.is
c2L poz t: }i �s ,^ 7. zuot ovel n:z;, ��,u i i n�; in �. 3. � c�ear,uYCe to the
YlEW tr?Y'...i�E ]12'V�)O`�:!� ;ii;� ��= v^r:2F`,Vli._��. '1'1:�.5 �.� ieet IVOUl:i ti8
C2CiUCC,-'C� more lf' j'.�1e' 11@bl. ;;:�Y'UC��l.di'.:i :?'t.�: �'-�.Il OV01.'�i.'lI1[�. ��
APP�ALS COi;i�riISaIOtd i:�::TTiQG, AP;{IL 15. 1�II0 PR(:L 9
After much discu;;sion re�a_rdin,^ varifyin� survey's, the Commission
concurred that the�� vrot�].d not require a var.•ifyin� survey at
the tine the request for a v�.riari,ce �r� r;:de, but the survey
v+ould be required beiore a ouiLding per���it is issued.
I+ir. Sheppa.rd s�tatea th=.t he does hava a var.ifying sur.vey, that
was required when he purchased the hor.aA two years a�o.
Tv;r. Clark stated that would be sufficient.
�51r. Clark stated that tne r.00f of the Car Port is about one-half
foot from the lot line. iie further stated that the variance for
the Gar Port was gr�nted in 19?5•
i�5. Schnabel questioned at �r-h�t zngle they would be from each other?
I+ir. Clar.k stated that the proposed gara.�;e, and the car port would
be parallel, and even tivith each othex•.
Gis. Gabe1 questioned wha1: the standard size ior a gara.�e v�as?
;jr. Cla.rk stated that they a built arsy�vhere fr.oi,, 18 to 24 feet,
with an average usually at 2' feet.
i+�s. Schnabel questioned if the petitiorier �vould please state
a hardship for the Cor„r.:issian £or this reauest for the garage,
since it had not been sta.ted for the Staff Report.
R':r. Sheppa.rd sta.ted that it ��;ou1d be clsea.ber, to build it attached
because the one side for the FTall woulcl be there. and also that his wife
pre£ers an attached aar��ge an' that they much �refer a 22 £t.. ezide garaae.
n.s. Schnabel questioned if they had co:isiderad a de�tached garage,
and if so wna� tvere tne rea_sons for not r,a,ntin� a det�ched gar�be?
,'�lr. Sheopard stated that he had thou�h�t ef having a deiached
gara_ge, but they did not want to lose 'the ya^d space, and 'nis
wiie prefers an �ttached garage.
i+1s. Ga.bel quesiioned if eithe� a detacned, or. an attached �ara�e
which viould be nore economica2.
After much discussion, the Co::,r�ission ^c>:�s�urred s;that both types
of gara�;es would prooably cost abou+. t}:e ua.me. .
i�is. Schnabel questi�ned if they were pl.;;�;�ning to do the exterior
to ma.tch the e;cisting e,�i:erior?
f.ir. Sheppard stated that yes all -the exterior would riatch.
f�ir. Ker,iper st��ted thaL' he felt � coz�cerr; fer the close spacin�
between the propo�ea gara�e �nd the a^.r ;��ort. Althou�h, he
stated, they eJOUld be closely spsced evc:: if it w4s built to code.
�T'PEAL5 CO::f.'Ii:�IOIQ i�.rF:TING, .'�'RIL 1'�,1 8_0 PAGE �i
:�1r. itemper questianed P�:^. Shenp�r.d, if he had tal.lced to the
neighbor at 6�i Janesvil.Ie, aoout building his garage so close -
to his neir;hbors car port?
I�ir. 5hep�ard rPplied that yes the neighbor is ativa.re of the close-
ness of the two structures. and tha.t the.neibh5or �vas happy.
beca.use they vrere upgrading the house.
i�;s. Schnabel stated that she felt a preference to see a detached
garage, but that she could understand i:ir. Sheppard wanting an
attached garage. She then questioned where they would enter
the hame from the a�tached gara.ge?
irir. Sheppard st�ted that they would nnt have �n entrance to
the house frox> the gara,e, bu�t that they would have to go out
the service door and walk around �o the back of the house.
T�:r. Clark °tated th��t he has seen this type of house, and that
it lends itself nicely to have a stai�'wa;� in the back of_c�aracre that goes
down to the Zower level of the house.
D'ir. Kemper stated that the pi�blic purpose that they are talking
aboui; here is fire, to urovide access to the rear yard for
emergencys. He stated th�.t if they •xere to build the ga.ra.ge
to code, they i^rould�'t be any better of from az2 access point of
view, than if it :vere ruilt with the variance.
P:1r. �3arna st^.ted, that to give the Commission a little more infor-
mation, that the house to the east.£aces Broad, so that there
is a very large back yz_rci �rea, which is to ,.:r. Sheppard side
ya.rd, a�d a ten foot ;rave:L drive �ra.y, so a.s far as er�ergency
equip�ent getting to the bac!i yard, unle�s he were to close
'that off witn a storage shed, or sor�ethin;, ther•e would be no
reason an emergency vehicle could net get back there.
I�,s. Gabel stated tr.at vaith the closeness of the structures,
even witilout a variance, that i�t may be best to �rant a variance
so that they could stipul3te no open.ings, and a?ire wall.
Iv",r. Clar.lc stated, that if the geople with the car port wuuld
ever want to enclose tne car. por.t, �they too vrould have to
have the stipulation of a fire �vall.
N;r. Barna st�ted tha.t .�esthetically, he £elt this woulci look fine..
�ir. Barna questioned i% the existin� houe.e is a sla_b, or has a
baserient?
Plr. Sheppard stated thr��; it has a diig baserient.
P:i0TI0N by �dr. Kenper, seconded by ?:is. Gabel, to close the
Public Hea.ring.
UPOT: �1 V�ICE 'JOTL, .ALL• �IOTT_TVG AYE, �}iAiRP::',2SDN SCi`INAB�L, DECLAR:D
TIit.? ti;BLIG Ii$,AiIlv'G CLOS:B AP 5:0� F'�is:.
APPEALS G0:•::�iiSSIG� ;�:�LTII�IC� !�PRIL li, 198Q PAGP 5
I.is. Gabel �tated tha+ she ;'elt that tLeg m�.y be better off
grantin� a v2riance :;o that they c�ut<� stipulate a one-hour
fire���all, and no openings i:h_��� to ha�ie :�t five feet away with
no sti?�ul�.tio��. She: furCher ���tatsd that shc: cou3_d see a
defini�te hardship in �he neea zor more than one bedrooc;
i�ir. P1er,lel stated tha.t he could see n definite hardship bf
not navin; a garape i.n this ncrth cour.��y.
P.;OTIOid .by :.:s. Gabel, second�d by i,:r. 3�rna, to anprove variances
requested pur.suant to Chaptcr 205 nf the Fridley City Co3e, to
reduce the fr.ont yard sst:oac�: frorn the rec�uired 3j feet to 31 feet
to a.11ow the cor.struction of 1 16 ft, by 24 ft. addition to an
existing house �vith a. ane zoo�G C2Yltl�.f,'V°^{ and reduce the ,z3e
yard setback f_ror,: zhe requi?�ed � feet to 3 feet to allov� the
constrixction of an lfl ft. by 22 ft, at-t�?ched gara�e (Front yarc'.
setback on existir�g house '�2 feet), 1oca,ted on lots j, 6, and 7,
• B1ocv P, :�iuerview Hei_ght;,, +he s�ne '�ein; 621 Janesville Str�et
N.E. (Rec�uest by,,:arY, a. Sne�,p.�rd, 621 Janesville Street TQ.L.,
Fridley, :::innesuta 55�32) • . '�vit'ri the .folloHring �tipulations.
The west v�all should have no openings :.nd bc o£ one hour fire
resistant construction.
UP01`I A V03C5 VOT.:, ALL VOT1idG AY"�, CHAIFP::RSOIJ SCIi'iJABiL D:CLA�ED
THE :�i0TI0N PASS::D UiQFiidTi�.:0II5�`t.
l�:s. Schnabel inforrned 1:':r. Shc:ppa-'d tna_t he vra.s now £ree to
obtain a building perr;:it.
2.
n
E;1 c ;iJSii Si ;�.�5 (>:ec;,zest Y�;� :..argaret ,,.ulrine,
13;5 Ruth Street id �, rridley, i inn. �54j2
G.OiI0P1 by :;:r. Ple.sel, seco�ided by :::r. Barna, to open the Publ_c
Hearing.
IIPOi�T A VOI�E VOT�, QLI, VOTI'NG AY�, C:if:IRPERSON SCi-fP1AT3�:L, D�CLA;EU
TH ; PUL'I,I� H:;A ;INC OP�N^D A't' II: 09 P. c„
c•:s. Schnabel read the staff report.
ADf4ItVIS7R1lTIVE STAFF 4EPORT
A135 Ruth Street N.E.
A. PUQLIC PUR,POSE SEP,VEO BY RE UIP� .Cf1E�tiT:
,
Section 205.053, 4C, requires a rear yard depth of not less than 25 percent
of the lot deptfi with not less than 7_5 feet perr�itted
or more than 40 feet required. '
Public purpose served by this requirc�roent is to provide rear yard space 20
be used for green areas which enhan�e the neighUorhoods,
APPF�LS G0:';:.�IS�IO� ":�$TING� 11PRIL lj� 1g80 PAGE 6
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
"The existing structure has 2 bedrooms and there are tx�o single adult
occupants. SinCe one is a tcacher and the other a nurse, both have a vast
amount of books and materials which necessitates a den. The den has to 6e
on the main floor because one occupant has a permanent knee disability making
steps a severe problem. That leaves the occu�ants with one bedroom. We
have extensively er,plored the possibility of buying a rambler b.ut ere can not
afford it. Therefore, our oniy alternative is to build a bedroom onto the
main floor. Qy expanding the living room, we can put in a fireplace for
energy conservation and at the same time make the addition aesthetic. By
cantilevering the addition we can retain the exis�ing back yard by putting
our patio under the addition."
C, ADh7INISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEU:
If the neiqhbors have no objectinn to this variance being granted, the
staff fias no stioulations to recommend to the Board if aPproved.
i+is. Schnabel auestiotzed if �he drawing they have, ii it is
dra�vn tc scale7
P,�s. �%�ulrine after looltinf; at the drasving stated that this vras
not the one she had dra�v�.1. She furtner stated tha.t the one the
Commission waa looking at did novr show the proper vaay the house
�s on tne lot.
The Comtaiseion then �vas s'riutim the oetiti.oner; s@rawing.
P.is. Schnabel stated that the addittian see:�ed like it would come
pre�ty close to the esistitzg shed, She asked if ;:is. i•:ulrine
�vas pl?al�iir.g on keepir.q .the shed?
��:s. "'ulrine stated that she had only stepped the measure�ents
off, so that it e�ras not accurate, but that it N�as about sir.
feet a�+�ay, and tha� yes she �:vould tike i:a retain the shed.
Gir. Barna questionc.d vrhy they have d.eci.fled to go out the ba.ck,
instead of Going oS'f t)ze sida of the hoLise.
i;1s. ;��ulrine sta,ted that if the,y were to �o off tihe side ox" the
house, all they could �o �vcvld be 1C1 feet, �^d s}:e did not feel
that �vas a sufficient size to warrant tlie addition.
N'ir. Pe?'lrnan, the build�r, statAd that they dzd explore that
possibility, but becZU:>e of tile layout of the house, adding
off the side vrould n.ini:�ize the va.lue or 1:he house.
Fis, Schn1bel quest.ione3 if they had talked to any of the neighbors
about this addition?
APPEALS CO��GiIS�IO"I 'i:i?:�:TING, APRIL � i 1980 PAGE 7
i's. ���ulrine st^ted thst she had on1;7 �poken with the neighbor
directly behind ther.�, becau>� s}ie felt they were the only ones,
that thi:, addition would affeci. She stated that this neighbor
had no objections.
i��;OTI0P1 by :�.r. �arna, seconded by f:r. Plemel, to close the Public
Hearing.
UPOTJ A VOI�E VOTE, ALL 'dOTING AY'_?, CH!'iIP.PERSON SCHIVABEL D�CLAi2ED
TH� PBBZIC 1-IEA.'tIt1G CLOS`:D AT 8:21 F.��i.
i.:s. Schnabel stated that she would like to knovr if r�is. f.:ulrine
was going to have ihis v�ork contracted to be done by a builder7
C:ir. Perl:��an of Americ�n Builders stated that he �^rould be doing
the a�orY, for ':?s. i.iulrine, and that he is a licensed contractor
in the City of Fridley.
�:,s. Schnabel questioned if �the exterior is of the addition is
going to match the exterior of the house?
t+�r. Perlman stated that yes they would match.
i�;�TION by �:ir. Iiemper. , seconded by i��r. Barna� to approve request
for a va.riance pursuant to �hapter 205 of the r^ridley City Code,
to reduce the required 25;0 of the lot depth for rear yard fro�7
26 feet to 20 feet tc allo�;: a 14 Ft..b,y 32 Ft..�ddition to an
existin� house located on I,ot S, �lock 4, Bourd.eaux's 5pring
Br.00k Park 9ddition, the sa�se being 3135 Ruth Street N.�u'.
(Bequest by �::argaret :::ulrine, 3135 '.'.uth Street Id.i., Fridley,
P,�inn. 55�3?) •
UPON r1 VOICE �'OT.:, P.LL VOTIi1G _:Y3, CiAI:.PFsRSOid SCHN:�B�L, D�C.L�RED
THE IcOTIOid PASSED UT4��T'v'Ii::OIISL`I.
I,;s. Schnabel stated that I:.s. a�ulrine was now free to apply for
her building perLiit.
i�ir. Clark stated that he would like to introduce to the Coc:mission
D�r. John Flora, the ne�v Public �'7orY.s depart,��ent head, tvno was
in the audience.
;ipTION by ;;r. Ke,�per, second�d by �.`is. Gable, that i�is. Schna.i�el
be elected as.Chairperson, by a ti•rhite ba�lat.
UPON 9 VOIC? `JOTB ALL VOTIPdG AY�, "r:ii. 5C!-INABT:L D�:.L.'1RED T;IE
i'.:0`PiON PASS ;D UNANI�.:OOSLY.
P,I'P??ALi CO'�::i'�<I �:>T01'�I _�3TI1`a�G, P.1'i;,IL 1 i, 19BC� �'�i�'e 8
;!i0TI0;! by ;.;r.. Ple�;al, seconcio-;'.. by �:ir. Ke:nper, to elect as Vice-
Chairper.^>on, i,.;;, t;,:�oe.t by _� ,r,�i?:i.�te b�i].ot.
UPON ,'� VOICE 'JU`1's, .'�I�i. 1uTI�I:, FY'„ �iiAlR.l'E:2SOTd ;�CHPl.t.i3EL, DECL9R^D
TiiF: ,::OlTv:J PA�'; �D Uiv!lidt;�i0��;;I:'f.
�F. Qi�i�? 7�JS�iV:3^a:
Nor.e
AD JOU RPd't:i`;i;'?'
:�,OTIO�: b� :•`_r. 3tenper, s�aconded by i::r. Parna, 'to adjourn the
.^-.t�ril 1�, 1yUU Ap�eals ;orn[:�i;,�ior. G;eetin;.
UPOiY A VCIC `70T' ,',I�J:: `GtIt;G A57�, CiiSI�?:�t�S0I1 Si:HP1(1I3EL, DrCLARED
1'H�' Ai'P�'iLS CO.ii�:I4SI0I'7 ..u'..TITiG �DJOL:iid�,D �T £3:31 P.i:;.
i es.�ectfully subr.it �ed,
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HUMAN RESOURCES COi�iISSION
MEETING
APRIL 3, 1980
CALL TO ORDER•
Chairperson Treuenfels called the April 3, 1980, Human Resources Coum�ission
meeting to order at 7:32 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present; Peter Treuenfels, Piary van Dan, Wayne Saunders, Wayne Welch,
Jayne Noble
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Mary Cayan, Auman Services Assistant & Housing Specialist
APPROVAL OF MARCH 3, 1980, HUMAN RESOURCES CdhQiISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Welch, seconded by Mr. Saunders, to approve the March 3, 1980,
Human Resources Co�ission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting
aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the motion carried unanimously.
1. ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON (Serve from 5/1/80 - 5/1/81):
Mr. Treuenfels declared the nominations open for chairperson.
Mr. Saunders nominated Mr. Treuenfels for chairperson.
MOTION by Ms. van Dan, seconded by Mr. We].ch, to close the nominations and
elect by acclamation Mr. Treuenfels for Chairperson of the Human Resources
Co�nission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairpeison Treuenfels declared
the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Treuenfels declared the nominations open for vice-chairperson.
Mr. Welch nominated Ms. van Dan for vice-chairperson.
MOTION by Mr. Saunders, seconded by Mr. Welch, to close the nominations and
elect by acclamation Pis. van Dan for Vice-Chairperson of the Human Resources
Coam�ission. Upon a voice vote, ail voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared
the motion carried unanimously.
2, bISCUSSION OF ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE HANDICAPPED TN TIiE CITY OF FRIDLEY:
Mr. Treuenfels stated that Mr. Saunders had supplied the Co�ission members
with copies of the "Minneapolis Building Accessory List". This would give the
Commission members an idea of what is being looked at for accessibility as far
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MF.ETING APRIL 3 1980 PAGE 2
buildings are concerned, The question is; Ymat do they do in Fridley? Should
Che Commission conduct an inspection or should they seek help from the Minnesota
State Council for the liandi.capped?
Ms, van Dan stated that at the last Commission meeting, Ms. Quarve-Peterson
from the Minnesota State Council for the Handicapped stated she was available
to come out and do a survey of a city's facilities.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Commission has been asked informally to assist
the Planning Commission in seeing what the City of Fridley needs to do in ordex
to be in compliance with state law. Their mandate refers essentially to the
City of Fridley's buildings and programs. Churches, doctors' offices, and
stores are not as urgently requested of the Commission as the City's facilities.
He stated that before contacting Ms. Quarve-Peterson, the Co�ission should
compile a list of how many facilities there were Co be inspected.
Ms. Cayan stated she would try to find out if the City had a list of its
facilities.
Mr. Welch stated that Ms. Quarve-Peterson should lm ow what facilities a city
was responsible for and could probably identify those for the commission.
Ms, van Dan suggested thaC the Commission invite Ms. Quarve-Peterson to come
out and survey the public buildings which are the City's responsibility, with
one or more Commission memUers accompanyino her to learn the technique. Then
the Commission could survey the rest of the buildings. Maybe they could involve
the younoer people by possibly training some of the summer parks and recreation
staff on how to evaluate facilities.
Ms, Cayan stated that May 18-24 is National Handicapped Awareness Week. Maybe
the role of the Commission for that week would be to prepare a brochure regard-
ing accessibility for stores, private corporations, and companies. Also, Chey
could have a display in the lobby at City liall during that week and could
advertise on the community billboard.
ptr. Treuenfels stated those were very good ideas to remind and make the private
sector aware of the guidelines and that by June 2, all buildings receiving
federal funds must be accessible.
Ms. Cayan stated she would contact Ms. Quarve-Peterson as she may have brochures
available for this purpose.
Mr. Trevenfels stated there were two aspects of accessibility--accessibility
of 6uildings and accessibility of programs. It was also a question of
Ueccming aware of what programs are Ueing offered by the City and in what
ways can handicapped peuple in Fridley avail themselves of those programs?
Ms. Cayan stated they should compile a list of public buildings and programs
for which the City is responsib7.e.
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 3 1980 PAGE 3
Mr. Treuenfels stated that after they have compiled these lists and discussed
it further, the Commission can then contact Ms. Quarve-Peterson to help them
at least get started. He asked NLs. Cayan to get in touch with Ms. Quarve-Peterson
in regard to information for National Handicapped Awareness Week and asked her
to reserve space on the community billboard for an announcement of National
Handicapped Awareness Week with an informational number.
3. DISCUSSION OF THE NO-FAULT GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF
HUMAN RIGHTS;
Mr. Treuenfels stated that after reading this document, the Commission should
have a fairly good idea of the main purpose and objective of the "no-fault
grievance procedure" and some idea of how grievances could actually be handled.
Then the Cov�ission will have to decide whether they want to go in this
direction in trying to arbitrate alleged cases of discrimination. If the
Commission decides to do that, then they wi11 get in touch with the State
Department of Human Rights, the Coon Rapids Human Rights Commission, and the
Columbia Heights Human Rights Co�ission, and a representative from the Depart-
ment of Human Rights wi11 address all of them. After that, one of the commission
members will have to attend a training session to learn how to actually handle
such cases and how to work best with the Department of Human Rights.
Ms. van Dan stated that in going through the Memorandum of Agreement some time
ago, the Commission found that one of the biggest blocks was that the Couunission
had no real authority to do anything other than to advise. In reviewing this
document, she was assuming that this Commission would be the agency, and she
wondered if the City would give them this authority or even if the Commission
really wanted this much responsibility. _
Mr. Treuenfels stated he felt that cases of alleged discrimination quite
possibly could arise and then what should t11e Co�nission do? They could just
advise and refer the parties to the Department of Human Rights. Or, they
couldtnndle it locally first in an informal way in which the emphasis is on
trying to reach some kind of reconciliation, suggesting a middle ground to
both paxties which is non-binding and does not obligate the City in any way,
The Co�ission would have no power other than to advise and try to get a
reconciliation on the local level. After a certain time limit, if this fails,
then it goes to the State Department of Human Rights.
Ms. van Dan stated that, apparently, the Coon Rapids Human Rights Commission
has more power than this commission. She suggested that Mr. Treuenfels find
out from the Planning Co�ission if the Planni.ng Commission would want the
Human Resources Commission to undertake this kind of thing. There was definitely
a need for something like this, but she would want an O.K. from the Planning
Commission before pursuing it, because it would involve a lot of time on the
part of the Commission members. The Commission spent six months on the Memor-
andum of Agreement and nothing came oi it.
Mr. Saunders stated he would also discuss this informAlly caith someone from
the State Department of Human Rights to see what their feelings were on this
document and wl�ether they would prefer to have this procedure done on the
local level, rather than on the state level.
HUMAN RESOURCES COMhSISSION MEETING, APRIL 3 1980 PAGE 4
Mr. Welch stated it was his feeling that there should be an opportunity for
people who feel they have been aggrieved to have some options. The availability
mechanism is important, but at this point he was not sure who should do that,
the State or the City. He wondered if there was some value in having a 1oca1
government group hear grievances before it goes to the State Department. He
thought it might depend on the number of people and the perception the people
have about going to a disinterested group in St. Pau1 as opposed to a local
group Chey might feel they lm ow better.
MOTION RY MR, WELCA, SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN, TO REQLTEST MR. TREUENFELS,
CHAIRPERSON OF THE IIUh7AN RESOURCES COML�ffSSION, TO PURSUE T?iE FEELINGS OF THE
PLANNING CQI�IISSION IN REGARD TO THE APFROPRIATE ROLE FOR THE HUh7AN RESOURCES
COMMISSION IN THE AREA OF TAE "fi0-FAULT GRIEVANC& PROCEDURE" AND TO ASK FOR
SUGGESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMhIISSION.
UPON A VOIGE V�TE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON TREUENFELS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. OTHER BUSINESS:
Ms. Cayan stated she had received a letter of resignation from Fran Swanson,
Fine Arts Cou�ittee, effective 11pri1 1, 1980. She read this letter to the
Commission. In the letter, Ms. Swanson staeed that the pnly viable part of
the Fine Arts Co�ittee is the Visual Arts Subcommittee chaired by Edith Thompson,
and this group should be able to sponsor an art shoco this spring, funds permitting.
A11 notes and equipment for the Fine Arts Committee are at the Community Educa-
tion Center.
Mr. Treuenfels stated it was a very helpful and informative letter and it was
interesting to know that the Fine Arts Committee is resurfacing again.
Ms. Cayan stated that at the last meeting, she had informed the Commission
that she had attended the initial workshop where service providers from through-
aut the County gathered to discuss a needs assessment for the County. She
stated that 2,000 surveys have been sent out and the County is receiving
aUout a 30'/ return rate of what people feel are urgent needs in the County.
The Needs Assessment is part of a state-mandated plan for allocation of funds.
That plan is due to be completed by May 1. She sL-ated that tfiis kind of
information would be very helpful when the Co�nission begins receiving funding
requests.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Mr. Welch, seconded by Mr. Saunders, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a
voice vote, ail votin� aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the Apri1 3, 1980,
Human Resources Commission meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Respectfully submiteed,
G-��:, , �<_
Lynn' Saba
Recording Secretary
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CITY OF FRTDLEY
PLANDTING COMMSSSION MEETING, APRIL 23, 1980
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Harris called the April 23, 1980, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:40 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Memhers Present: Mr. Harris, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langen£eld, Mr. Oquist,
Ms. Hughes, Mr. Saba (for Mr. Wharton), Mr. Treuenfels (arr. 8:20)
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Robert Schroer, 8100 University Ave. N.E.
Irene Maertens, 144 River Edge Way
APPROVAL OF APRIL 9, 1980, PLANNING COMMISSION NfINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Langen£eld, to approve the April 9, 1980,
Planning Co�ission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye,
Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
MOTION by "4r. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to amend the agenda in
order that "Final P1at, P.S. 4k8�-01, University Industrial Park, by
Robert Schroer" can be Item 1 and that "Joint Powers Agreement" be inserted
before "Continued; Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning". Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
1. FINAL FLAT �680-01 UNIVERSITY INDUSTRIAL PARK BY ROBERT SCHROER:
Mr. Boardman stated this item was tabled by the City Council, because
Mr. Schroer wanted to make some changes on the p1at. They wanted to bring
this back to the Planning Co�ission to show the Planning Commission what
is going to be done and get the concurrence of the Planning Cou�ission,
Mr, Soardman stated the change was the shifting of the road over about 35 feet
so that the depths of the loYs are the same depth to make more buildabLe lots.
He stated that Staff did not have any trouble with this change, and it would
not change the zoning.
Mr. Boardman stated that with this, they are putting together a storm waCer
drainage system for the whole area, as requested by the Planning Commission.
IC has not been detailed yet as it is still in the thinking stages. In this
plat, they are looking at two ponding areas. They will have to get drainage
easements when that area is developed.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 2
Ms. Hughes stated that if North Park is going to be used for drainage, she
wanted the Parks & Recreation Commission to know what is happening before
there is any kind of development. She did not want this forgotten or brought
to them at the last minute.
Mr. Boardman stated he would be sure it is brought to the Parks & Recreation
Commission.
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to reco¢�nend to City Council
concurrence with the street realienment chanee in Final Plat. P.S. �k80-01,
is
a voice vote
ed unanimous
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2. TABLED: VACATION REQIIEST, SAV �k79-03, CITY OF FRIDLEY: Vacate that
portion of the a11ey in Block 11, Hyde Park, not vacated in Ordiaance 533
between Lots 1-6 and Lots 25-30; and between Lots 14 and 15, and Lots 16
and 17 which are South of 60th Avenue between 2 1J2 and 3rd St. N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms, Schnabel, to remove Vacation
Request, SAV �k79-03, City of Fridley, from the table. Upon a voice vote,
a11 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Boardman stated that with regard to the withdrawal of this request by
the City of Fridley, they have received only one phone cail and that was
from Mr. Churchill who wanted the vacation. He stated that it looked like
Mr. Churchill was going to go out and try to get 100'/ agreement of the
afiected property owners and re-petition for the vacation.
seconded bv Mr. Oauist. to recommend apnroval to Ci
Cy
t
SAV 4k79-03 City of Fridley: Vacate that portion of the a11ey in B1ock 11,
Hyde Park not vacated in Ordinance 533 between Lots 1-6 and Lots 25-30; and
between Lots 14 and 15, and Lots 16 and 17 which are South of 60th Avenue
beCween 2 1(2 and 3rd St. N.E.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTiNG AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3. VACATION REQUEST SAV �k80-02, FRIDLEY HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY:
Vacate 12 foot North-South alley adjacent to Lots 16-30, Block 21,
Hyde Park, to add square footage to the lots being used for the Home
Ownership Program, lying between 58th & 59th Ave. N.E, on 3rd Street.
(Note change in legal description.)
Mr. Boardman stated a11 the a£fected people were notified of this vacation
_
requesC, and Chere was no response.
Ms. Schnabel stated something should be dane about the house numbers on
3rd Street as there was duplication in numbers, plus there are even and odd
numbers on the same side of the street. The problem was that one side of
the street was originally University Ave.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 3
Mr. Boardman stated he would check into the process of changing house numbers
and would correct that problem.
MOTION by Ms.
to Citv Counci
Bloc
Home
�f Vacation Request, SAV 9P80-0
Vacate 12 foot North-South al
[�
acent to Lots 16-
s being used for
. N.E. on 3rd Str
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
4. LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. �k80-01, FRIDLEY HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY:
Split Lots 21, 22, 23 and 24, Block 21, Hyde Park, into 3 building sites:
Parcel 1; Lots 24 and North 13.3 feet of Lot 23, Parcel 2: The Southerly
26.7 feet of Lot 23 and the Northerly 26.7 feet of Lot 22, Parcel 3:
Lot 21 and the South 13.3 feet of Lot 22, the same being 5821, 5825, and
5831 3rd Street N.E.
(Note change in legal description.)
Mr. Boardman stated the HRA has purchased this property which :.s approximately
160 ft. of lot. They are looking at breaking that up into three buildable
sites. With the vacated a11ey, that gives them the required lot size of over
7,500 sq, ft. They also fall under the allowable lot width of between 50
and 60 feet. There are conditions placed on those lot widths and those
conditions are setback conditions from the sideyard. They do intend to
develop the buildings on those sites that will meet those setback conditions.
(Mr. Treuenfels arrived at 8:20 p.m.)
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend
Council of Lot Split Request, L.S. ik80-01, Fridley Housi
Authority: Split Lots 21, 22, 23 and 24, Block 21, Hyde
buildin¢ sites: Parcel 1: Lots 24 and North 13.3 feet o
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5825, and 5831 3rd Street N.E.
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Lot 23, Parcel 2:
feet of Lot 22.
Lot 2"L, the same
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5. LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. 4k80-02, FRIDLEY HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY:
Split off the North 1/2 of Lot 23 and add it to Lot 24, Block 5, Hyde Park,
and add the South half to Lot 22, Block 5, Hyde Park, to make two building
sites from 3 1ots, the same being 6041 and 6031 3rd Street N.E.
Mr. Boardman stated that the HRA has purchased the Parlin property. There
are 3- 40 ft. lots which give them a total of 120 feet of lot. They are
requesting a split to give them a lot size of 60' wide by 129' deep. It is
over the 7,500 sq. ft. allowable lot size.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23 1980 PAGE 4
Mr. Boardman stated that at this point, they have not requested an alley
right-of-way vacation, but are looking at that possibility later. The two
properties to the south are presently using the alley, but the property
to the north has access other Chan the alley. He stated this house has
already been torn down.
MOTION by t:r. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to recommend approval
to City Council of Lot Split Request, L.S. �k80-02, Fridley Housing &
Redevelopment Authority; Split off the North 1/2 of Lot 23 and add it to
Lot 24, Block 5, Hyde Park, and add the South half to Lot 22, Block 5,
Hvde Park to make two building sites from 3 1ots, the same being 6�41 and
6031 3rd Street N.E.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, CLL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
b. RECEIVE APRIL 3, 1980, SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING
MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms, Hughes, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the April 3, 1980,
Special Parks & Recreation Commission meeting minutes.
Ms. Hughes stated the agenda for this meeting was really to talk about the
kall wall £or the North Park Nature Center building because of new information.
The City Manager asked at that special meeting ta add the "Lease with Anoka
County", and this was discussed fairly briefly. She stated she has some
further information on Chis subject, and this wi11 be discussed later on in
the agenda. On page 6 of these minutes, the Parks & Recreation Commission
made a motion listing guidelines they wanted the City Council to consider in
any development of a Joint Powers Agreement. She stated she had voted "no"
on this motion, because she felt it was terribly rushed and that only one
option had been looked at, rather than looking at more options that might be
available to the City of Fridley.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
7. RECEIVE APRIL 3, 198a, HUMAN RESOURCES CONIDIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the
Apri1 3, 1980, Human Resources Co�ission minutes.
Mr. Harris stated that on page 4, the Human Resources Commission had made a
motion that the Chairperson pursue the feelings of the Planning Commission
in regard to the appropriate role for the Human Resources Commission in the
area of the "No-Fault Grievance Procedure". He asked Mr. Treuenfels if he
would like any further action from the Planning Commission.
Mr. Treuenfels stated no action was neoessary, but he would appreciate any
comments the Planning Commission membexs had on the subject.
PLANNLNG COfIl�fISSION MEETING, APRIL 23, 1950 PAGE 5
Mr. Boardman stated the reason the Human Resources Commission was sending
this through the Planning Commission was because the last time it was sent
to the Planning Coff¢nission in regard to the Memorandum of Agreement, the
Planning Commission had said "no", they did not feel it was appropriate for
the Human Resources Commission to pursue. So, the Human Resources Commission
wanted the Planning Commission's reaction before pursuing the "No-Fault
Grievance Procedure" any further.
Ms. Schnahel stated she did not think what was discussed before was as
detailed or appeared to be as big a task as this "No-Fault Grievance Procedure".
She stated she had same mixed feelings ahout it. She was,a little suspicious
about the State Human Rights Department coming to the Gity and asking the
City to do their job. She did not know if they were in any position to pay
for staff time to do that, let alone assist with all the volunteer hours.
Yet, she could see some validity in taking some of this information in at a
local level, trying to resolve it, and hoping it would get resolved at a
quicker pace than it would by going to the State.
Mr. Harris statedhis feeling before and still is that he has not seen a proven
need for a service like this in the community.
Mr. Boardman stated in the document the State Human Rights Department sent
out to the communities, it says you must be careful about.how you word your
responses to individuals because you might be liahle for court cases. First
of all, they are asking the City to do their work for them, they feel they
are overloaded, and they don't have the staff and the money to do what the
State set up foT them to do. He felt that one of the reasons the State Human
Rights Department went to a"No-Fault Grievance Procedure" was because of
the court cases they have to handle, so that the grievances can be worked
ouC before they get to the State.
Mr. Boardman stated he also did not know whether the staff at the State
Human Rights Department really want the conmlunities involved, because of their
negative attiCude when the City has dealt wiCh them on the telephone. He
stated there is no reimbursement to the City for staff services either. He
did not know if he wanted to spend a lot of staff time on it, and he was not
sure how much time it would take. It would also demand time from the Human
Resources Commission. He assumed the grievance procedures would run any-
where from tenantJlandlord grievances to job grievances, and he assumed they
would get a full range of human rights discrimination cases or at least
complaints.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he thought the concept was good, but right now the
implementation does not appear Co he good. Here you are reaching into an
area of expertise, and it could be rather touchy when you deal with individual
persons and their individual problems without the proper training.
Mr. Boardman stated there was one day of training to determine whether a
grievance is or is not a discrimination case. If they have to determine that,
they better have attorneys involved. He was very concerned about that.
Another concern was what it is going to look like at the city level as the
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 6
City has no authoriey when people come in asking for help. They can sit
down and talk with them, but can't resolve anything, and the people wi11
wonder why the City is wasting their time. He did not feel it was realistic
unless there was some reimbursement from the State.
Mr. Treuen£e1s stated the City Ordinance that established the Human Resources
Commission addresses itself to the question of possible discrimination in
the City, and he felt it charges the Human Resources Coa�ission to at least
look at this particular aspect of involvement. He stated he would be
bringing this up to the Human Resources Commission for further consideration,
because he felt they were entitled to some more discussion.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the question was raised about whether people
would use this type of service, but once it was established, maybe a lot of
people would use it. No one can predict what would happen.
Mr, Treuenfels stated the poi.nt was raised about the apparent lack of staff
time, and this was an important point to be faced. He did not believe this
particular program could succeed very well unless the Human Resource Courtnission
members are willing to spend their own time on it. The matter of sitting down
witfi the two parties and asking questions should be left up to the Commission
members and should not involve staff. He felt the paperwork appears to be
fairly minimal, and he would think covm�ission members could do the paperwork.
Mr. Treuenfels stated another point raised was the question of liability.
This is something that happens in other areas also; for example, a child
getting hurt on playground equipment in a park. The question is: Would the
City be willing to consider possible legal quesCions with respect to this
particular activity of the Auman Resources Commission?
Mr. Treuenfels stated that, in looking over the procedure closely, it was
not necessary for the Human Resources Co�mnission to be equipped to give
advice as such, but merely to point out to the cantending parties the
procedure they could follow and tell them right from the start that they may
wishto pursue their grievance at the state level right away.
Mr. Treuenfels stated these comments have been very helpful, and these
comments will be passed on to Che Human Resources Commission.
Ms. Hughes stated she would encourage the Human Resources Commission to
pursue the "$o-Fault Grievance Pxocedure". She was well aware of a number
of processes like this, whether it is called ^no-fault", mediation, or just
providing the opportunity to get together, that are working successfully.
It was worth pursuing, because the State does not now provide an opportunity
for a lot of these things to be done in a mediated fashion. One advanCage
of this procedure is that it gives an opportunity, instead of sitting around
for a long time or heing forced to go to court immediately. She also felt
there were plenty of ways of getting out of the liability problem or the
staff problem.
PLANNIAiG COMMISSIOY3 MEETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 7
Mr. Boardman stated there are a lot of agencies and groups presEntly
working on discrimination--women's groups, unions, etc. How much of this
would overlap in other areas? What would the City be accomplishing, other
than starting the paperwork for the State?
Mr. Harris stated that Mr. Treuenfels shouid discuss this further with his
couanission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
8. RECEIVE APRTL 8, 1980, COMMUNlTY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the April 8, 1980,
Community Development Commission minutes.
Mr. Oquist stated that the Community Development Commission was still con-
cerned about what should be done as far as a bikeway system on Mississippi
Street.
Mr. Saba stated that in light of the energy situation and the promotion at
the state and federal levels of using bicycles not only as a hobby, but as
a primary means of tYansportation for some people, he felt it was something
that should be strongly reconsidered, We have to reconsider the use of
roads, not only for motorized vehicles, but also for bicycles and �valking.
Mr. Boardman stated that because of the volume of traffic on Mississippi,
the County has said there needs to be four lanes of traffic.
Mr. Harris stated it seems much more dangerous to have on-street parking
on Mississippi on what is supposed to be four lanes of traffic than to have
a single lane each way.
Mr. Boardman stated that with the development of Che Center City Project,
they are groposing an off-street bikeway system £rom the University inter-
section over to at least Village Green and 7th Street. From there, it is
possible they could cross Mississippi at 7th St, and get to Hayes Elementary
SchooZ,but there it is deadended.
Ms. Schnabel stated that, at this time, she would like to raise a concern
about a handicapped person who rides a motorized wheelchair down Innsbruck
Parkway. She felt it would be a good cautionary measure for Fridley to
post some type of signage so people would be aware that there is a handi-
capped person in that area.
No action was taken on this concern.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETTNG APRIL 23, 1980 _PAGE 8
9. RECEIVE APRIL 10, 1980, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the
April 10, 1980, Housing & Redevelopment Authoxity minutes. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried
unanimously.
10. RECEIVE APRIZ 15, 1980, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the
April 15, 1980, Appeals Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
11. JOINT PO[dERS AGREEMENT:
Mr. Boardman stated the Joint Powers Agreement went to the City Council on
Monday, April 21, and they tabled it until Yhe May 5 meeting in order Co
get a response from the Parks & Recreation Commission and the Planning
C onm+i s s i on .
Ms. Hughes stated she was in the position of suggesting that this item be
tabled a little longer until they know exactly what they want. The Parks &
Recreation Commission has had four discussions on the Joint Powers Agreement.
It was first taken to the Parks & Recreation Covmission at a regular meeting
in February, at which time they were preseneed an agreement almost identical
to this one. She has been told this is similar to a joint powers agreement
the County has with another community to run a park. At the February meeting,
the Parks & Recreation Commission asked and was told there was no rush, so
it was delayed and they did not take any action or finalize anything at the
second Parks & Recreation Commission meeting. At the April 3 special meeting,
the City Manager brought it up, even Yhough it was not on the agenda. &ecause
the City Manager said it was critical the Commission act on it that day, they
came up with a list of guidelines. AY the Apri1 16 Parks & Recreation Commission
meeting, she asked that this be put on the agenda, and at 10:30 p.m. they
were presented with the draft Joint Powers Agreement and told again it was
not going to City Council right away, that the City Council would take
suggestions, and it would come back to the Commission before any further dis-
cussions with the County. At the April 16 meeting, the Commission added a
few things to the qualifications and were specifically told this would not
go to City Council on April 21.
Ms. Hughes stated she was not happy that this thing was moving so fast and
did not think it was essential to do so. She has talked to Metropolitan
Council to see what their time schedule is on this, what kinds of deadlines
there are on money, and any other kind of deadlines. The City Council has
toid her that Anoka County and Ramsey County have filed a joint plan oa
the trails and the whole reason for the Joint Powers Agreement is to accommo-
date the trails through Locke Park. Anoka County has approved theirs, but
Ramsey County has not, although they are expecting to act on it this month
or next month. Ramsey County sent their plan to Met'ropolitan Council and
asked for a preliminary review before they vote on it. Metropolitan Council
staff has reviewed, made appropriate comments, and has transmitted it back
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 9
to Ramsey County, The other permits that would be required before Metro-
politan Council can give final approval on the trail plan are one from the
Rice Creek Watershed District and one fram the Department of Natural
Resources, because one of the proposals is to have a pathcoay under Hwy. 65
in the culvert of Rice Creek. She stated the Metropolitan Council people
told her that it would probably take up to a year to get the DNR's permit.
The money is not going to disappear, the money has been approved and desig-
nated for the first phase of development of the Rice Creek Trail System,
and there is no deadline on that running out. There was a plan for the
first phase development money that had been submitted. Metropolitan Council
is willing to change the designation from what it had been to allowing trail
development and installation of a traffic signal at Hwy. 47 and 69th, and
that is apparently the reason for pushing to get the Joint Powers Agreement.
Whatever Metropolitan Council approvals there are on the total plan on the
signal and the funding will be contingent on getting a11 the other permits
in order. Since the timetable is as much as a year away, she did not see
the reason for the rush to get the Joine Powers Agreement.
Mr. Boardman stated that a lot of times trails have been approved in sections.
Metropolitan Council can approve the Anoka County section of the Anoka County
Master Plan of that trail without necessarily having the Ramsey County Master
Plan approved, If they can get the Anoka County Master Plan approved by
Metropolitan Council, then they can utilize monies that axe available this
year for development of Yhat signalization, The Metropolitan Council has just
developed a policy that they are not going to get into reimbursements again,
so the City is afraid that they are going to lose the percenCage match that
the Metropolitan Council was going to pay for that signalization. Whae that
means is that one portion is being paid £or by the Gounty, one portion is
being paid for by the City, and the City's portion is being assessed to the
property owners. Without that match, the assessment amount is going to
increase to the property owners. The City is very concerned about that, and
feels it is very important to move ahead as quickly as possible. As far as
he understood it, the Metropolitan Council does not need the DNR approval
for the Rice Creek Plan in order to approve the Anoka County Master Plan.
Ms. Hughes stated she was just reporting what she had been told by Metro-
politan CounciL. What Mr. Soardman had just told Che Planning Co�ission
was Che first time she or the Parks & Recreation Commission had heard this
kind of detail, and it was one of the most irritating facets of why there
was such a rush.
Ms. Hughes stated there has not been any attempt by city staff, the City
Manager, the Planner, or the Park Department to develop any alternatives
to this broad Joint Powers Agreement that deals only wiCh Locke Park--
originally presented to include the Islands of Peace.
Ms. Hughes the Parks & Recreation Co�ission has not had satisfactory answers
with respect to the restricCions within the deed to Locke Park, except the
broad general statement from staff that there was not any problem. She
has had enough of these communication problems with city staff that she has
decided to check over the deed herself and has made arrangements to do that
on Friday, April 25.
PLANNING CIXVIhffSSION MEETING APRIL 23, 1950 PAGE 10
Ms. Hughes stated the thing that concerns her, although not all the Parks &
Recreation Co�nission members, is that there will be a compleee loss of
control of what happens in the area of Locke Park.
Ms. Hughes stated the Parks & Recreation Commission did give the City Manager
a list of general guidelines as something useful for beginning discussions
with the County on a Joint Powers Agreement, but they were not telling the
City or recanmending to the City Council or the Planning Commission that
these would be the only and final recownendations and that the Joint Powers
Agreement should be approved and signed.
Ms. Hughes reviewed the changes recommended by the Parks & Recreation
Commission undex the"County Responsibilities" on page 2 of the proposed
Joint Powers Agreement. She stated the Parks & Recreation Co�ission had
recommended that there be an annual meeting between the City and the County
to approve plans and developments. This recommendation had been put under
"V. Capital Improvements" on page 4. She stated this joint meeting was not
to be just for capital improvements, but for maintenance plans and absolutely
everything that was planned for the park for that year.
Mr. Harris referred to page 5, "VII. POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION: The County
agrees to furnish the special park patrol personnel required to assure the
safety and well being of the park users and protection of the facilities."
He asked Ms. Hughes to expand on that statement.
Ms. Hughes stated thaC the Joint Powers Agreement was partially sold on the
idea that the City would save $50,000 a year on maintenance and police and
fire. But the way it came back is that the City is going to continue to
provide the normal police and fire protection. The way the City Manager
envisioned it was that the park patrol would keep tabs on the park on a
cerYain schedule, and i£ the park patxol needed help, they would ca11 the
Fridley police, The park paCrol does not have any police powers.
Ms. Hughes stated another thing she would like to check out is the saving
of the $50,000. How much can be attributed to Locke Park, how much can be
attributed to Islands of Peace, and how much of it is police funding? She
did not have the answers to these questions.
Ms. Hughes stated she was not opposed to having the County share the costs,
but she would like Co see what the possibilities are for such Chings as
a trail easement in a very smail area of the park and what the County would
pay for that easement versus having a11 the maintenance. She would like to
see if there was a payment plan of some kind whereby the City could
continue to do the maintenance and Che County would pay the CiCy. None of
these options have been pursued.
Mr. Boardman stated these options have been d_Cscussed somewhat between staffs.
As far as the County paying the City for maintenance, there is no way the
County would go for that. As far as purchasing easement to cross the park
property with a trail, Metropolitan Council would not go along with that.
Metropolitan Council would scratch the whole trail system if that was the
case.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 11
Mr. Soardman stated the usership of Locke Park is primarily residents out-
side of the City, although city residents do get use of it. The City is paying
for and providing a regional park facility for regional park usership.
Ms. Hughes stated again that it was her personal feeling and real concern
that the City will lose compleee control of Locke Park and not have much to
say about it. She would want Co see the CiCy have control over the complete
development of Locke Park, to have some control on the picking up of garbage,
sweeping,mowing� etc., and those things they will not have control over.
The park is in the middle of Fridley, is quite visible, and a lot of the
credit or discredit is going to come to the City whether or not the County
is involved.
Mr, Harris stated that on the surface, he was in favor of having the County
take over the maintenance of Locke Park for regional park usage for the
simple reason of the money the City would save on maintenance, money that
could be used in the rest of the park system and recreational programs. He
would appreciate Ms. Hughes researching this informaCion to see how much
money is really involved. Also the researching of the deed might clear up
a lot of questions.
Mr. Harris asked Ms. Hughes how she felt the character of the park would
change if the County takes over the maintenance and operation under the
Joint Powers Agreement?
Ms. Hughes stated there were already trails running through the park; obviously,
the trails would be wider and better maintained, planned and developed than
those now. If the County does as well as they do in a lot of their other
parks, Locke Park could be as well or better maintained than it is now. The
first page of the Joint Powers Agreement gives the impression that the park
is going to be overrun with people, and she did not believe that was going
to be true. If it is true, then the City is in worse trouble, because there
are homes along the park and people wi11 be complaining. She stated it was
Jan Seeger's concern that the City was moving the controls of the park farther
away and citizens cannot approach the County as well as they can approach the
City.
Mr. Boardman stated Chey have to be careful about imposing Yoo many restric-
tions on Chis thing. They don't want to lose the regional trail system.
fle felt the regional trail system is a good thing. It is providing a regional
bikeway system that will eventually allow them to link up with the whole
reg3onal bikeway system from Lino Lakes to the Minneapolis trail system and
farther. He said they are trying to accamplish what the Parks & Recreation
Coaanission really wanted and that was adequate control of the property without
the expense to the City. The other thing they were looking at was s�e
scheduled maintenance on the property and Chat schedule would have to be
approved by the CiCy of Fridley. They are looking at a savings o£ money
that could possibly be put into other neighborhood faciliCies and park
programs. If they can provide the same service to the residents of Fridley
without the cost, it is a bonus,
PLANNING CONPIISSION MEETTNG APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 12
Mr. Harris asked Ms. Maertens if she would like to make any comments regarding
the Joint Powers Agreement.
Ms. Maertens stated that she felt the commissions were being bypassed again.
She questioned what the real purpose of the Planning Cou�ission was if
these things do not go in a routine fashion through Planning Commission so
the citizens of Fridley can be aware of these things.
Ms. Maertens stated she has some problems with the Soint Powers Agreement.
She did not feel anything about what is going on in this area--the Rice Creek
Trail System or the Joint Powers Agreement--has been heard in the community.
Ms. Hughes was hearing things from Mr. Boardman for the first time at this
meeeing, and all this information should have happened and discussion taken
place long be£ore this point. If the Joint Powers Agreement was presented
in February, why the urgency now? The thing about the deadline being right
now is a detriment to citizen input. She stated it was difficult enough for
citizens to have an impact on government, and it was difficult even in the
City of Fridley. She did notthink they should be removing these kinds of
things from 1oca1 government, at least without adequate public hearings so
people could really know what is going on.
Ms. Maertens stated that the removing of maintenance costs on to another level
of government seems like a small thing, but it isn't, She found a number of
things wrong with it, and one of them was that she believed the City wouid
generally lose much control and say so over what happens at Locke Park.
Whether or not the City actually owns that land, it is perceived as being
awned by the City of Fzidley and is a local park. She thought people would
have difficulty dealing with the regional usage of the park without having
had the opportunity to discuss it first. She stated she also felt the City
did not have to give their parks away,
Mr. Boardman pointed out that there is a termination clause with any joint
powers agreement, and a joint powers agreement can be terminated by either
party. If Anoka County is not doing what they are supposed to be doing and
not doing it to the satisfaction of the City Council or if the City starts
receiving complaints from the citizens because of it, that joint powers agree-
ment can be terminated.
Ms. Hughes stated she felt Fridley was in a very strong negotiating position
with Anoka County, because Anoka CounCy wants the trail system. She thought
that was a key element in this issue, and the City ought to be able to use
that to get what they want the most and not give the park away.
Mr. Boardman agreed that the City is in a very strong position, but they
also have to be careful about how they are putting it down. If Anoka County
says "no", then Metropolitan Council will say "no" and there will be no
trail. He stated they have to trave some type of agreement, whether it is
the Joint Powers AgreemenC or another one. A possibility would be having
the County just maintain the trail.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 14
MOTION by Ms, Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to place the Joint
Powers Agreement item on the Co�unity Development Commission meeting
agenda for May 13. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris
declared the motion carYied unanimously.
12. CONTIN[7ED: PROPOSED CHANGES TQ CHAPTER 2�5. ZONING:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue Proposed
Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
13. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. Spring Lake Park Public Hearing Notice
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive
the Spring Lake Park public hearing notice for a special use
permit to install three 10,000-12,000 gal. inground tanks to
dispense gasoline at a proposed superette at 7730 Tyler St. N.E.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. &oardman to check into this and if there
were any problems to have someone attend the April 28 public
hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
B. Amendments to Housing Chapter, Metropolitan
an
Mr. Boardman stated this was for the Cou�ission's information.
C. Joint Meeting with Energy Covmiission and City Council
Mr. Saba stated that the Energy Commission would like to
schedule a meeting with the City Council as soon as possible
to discuss the proposed Energy Policy for the City of Fridley.
He stated the State has passed a bill and the Governor has
signed it which will provide $1.2 million in planning money
for various cities throughout the state. This money will be
available in the fall of 1980. In talking to Bill Davis of the
Minnesota Energy Agency, Mr. Davis stated it would be very
helpful if the City had an energy policy in effect prior to
applying for that aid,
Mr. Boardman stated he was aware of this information and would
try to get this meeting scheduled as soon as possible.
PLANNING COMMiSSION MEETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 15
D. "Energy Survival: The First Step" - Seminar
Mr. Harris stated this seminar would be held on May 1-2 at the
Hilton Inn in Minneapolis. If any of the C�mission members
were interested in attending, they could contact Mr. Boardman.
GDSOURNMENT;
MOTiON hy Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to adjourn the meeting.
Ugon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared Che April 23, 1980,
Planning Cou�ission meeting adjourned at 11:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Zy , Saba
Recording Secretary