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PL 05/07/1980 - 6680CITY OF FRIDLEY A 6 E N D A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MAY 7, 1980 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: ' APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 23, 1980 1. RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION htINUTES: 15, 19II0 2. RECEIUE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: APR 3. RECEIVE ENERGY COMMISSION MIP�UTES: APRIL 22, 1980 4. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 29, 1980 5. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING 6. OTHER BUSINESS: ADJOURNMENT: 7:30 P.M. PAGES 1 - l5 BLUE , GREEN ORCHID YELLOW S EPARAT E CITY OF FRIllLEY PLANNiNG COMMISSION MEETING, P.PRIL 23, 1980 CALL TO ORT7ER; Chairman Harris called the Apri1 23, 1980, Planning Commission.meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Mr. Harris, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Saba (for ASr. i+iharton), Mr. Treuenfels (arr. 8:20; Members Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Robert Schroer, 8100 L'niversity Ave. N.E. Irene Plaertens, 144 River �dge Way APPROVAL OF APRIL 9, 1950, PLANNING COh�IISSION MIN[7TES: MOTION Uy Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to approve the Apri.l 9, 1980, Planning Commission minutes as wrilten. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman liarris declared the motion carried unanimously. APPROVAL OF ��GEPIDA: MOTION bv ":4r. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to amend the agenda in • order that "I'inal Plat, P.S. i8G-Ol, University Industrial Park, by Robert Schroer" can be Item 1 and that "Joint Powers Agreement" be inserted before "Continued: Yroposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman llarris declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. FINAL PTAT dk80-Ol UNIVERSITY INDliSTRIAL PARIL, P,Y P.OBERT_SCHROER: Mr. Boardman stated this item was tabled by the City Council, because Mr. Sciiroer c�;anted to make some changes on the plat. The} wanted to br.ing this back to the Planning Conmiission to show the Planning Cocsnission what is going to be done and �et the concurrence of the Planning Comnission. Mr. Boardman stated Lhe change was the shifCing of the road over aUout 35 feet so that tlic depths of the lots are the same depth to malce more buildable lots. He sCated that Staf£ did not have any trouble �aith this change, and it wo�ld not chan�;e tlie zoning. Ptr. Boardcnan st:ited that with this, they are putting together a storm water drainage system for the whole arca, as requested hy the Planning Co:nmission. It has not been detailed yet as it is still i-n the thinl:ing stages. In this plal-, they are lool:ing at t�ao ponding areas. Tlzey will have to get drainage easements when that area is developed. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23 1980 PAGE 2 Ms. Hughes stated that if North Park is going to be used for drainage, she wanted the Parks & Recreation Commission to know what is happening before there is any kind of development. She did not want this forgotten or brought to them at the last minute. Mr. Boardman stated he would be sure it is brought to the Parks & Recreation Coamiission. MOTION by Ms, IIughes seconded by hls. Schnabel to reco�nend to City Council concurrence with the street realiQnment change in Final Plat P.S. ik80-01, University Industrial Yark, bv Robert Schroer. Unon a voice vote, all the motion c 2. TABLED; VACATION REQUEST, SAV ��79-03, CITY OF FRIDLEY; Vacate that portion of the al_ley in B1ock 11, Hyde Park, not vacated in Ordinance 533 between Lots 1-6 and Lots 25-30; and between Lots 14 and 15, and Lots 16 and 17 which are South of 60th Avenue between 2 1/2 and 3rd St. N.E. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabei, to remove Vacation Request, SAV 4�79-03, City of Fridley, from the table. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman stated that with regard to the withdrawal of this request by the City of Fridley, they have received only one phone call and that was from Nfr. Churchill who o�anted the vacation. He stated that it looked like Mr. Churchill was going to go out and try to get 100'/, agreec*ment of the af£ected property owners and re-petition for the vacation. a. seconded Council of the City oY k'ridl SAV ��79-03 City of Fridley; Hyde Park, not vacated in Ox between Lots 14 and 15, and between 2 1/?_ and 3rd St, N. Mr. s re nance �ts 16 to Ci est for withdrawal of Vacation K that portion of the alley in Bl.o 33 between Lots 1-6 and Lots 25- nd 17 which are South of 60th Av UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIifOUSLY, e and 3. VACATION REQUEST, SAV �k80-02, FRIDLEY HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY: Vacate 12 foot North-South a11ey adjacent to Lots 16-30, Block 21, Iiyde Park, to add square footage to the lots being used for the Home Ownership Program, lying between 58th & 59th Ave. N.E, on 3rd Street. (Note change in legal description.) Mr. Boardman stated a11 the afiected people were notified of this vacation request, and there was no response. Ms. Schnabel stated something should be done about the house numbers on 3rd SCreet as ther.e was duplication in numbers, plus there are even and odd numbers on the same side of the street. Ti1e problem was that one side of the street was originally Uni.versity Ave, YLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIT 23, 1980 PAGE 3 Mr. Boardman staL-ed he would check into the process of changing house numbers and would correct' that proUlem. MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, second to Ci_ty Council. of. Vacation Re ment Authority: Vacate 12 foo Block 21, Hvdc P�rlc, to add sq y Mr. t, SAV are ioota etcaeen 58 i'r80-02, Fridl th alley adja e to the lots recammend approval .y liousing & Redevel enl to Lots 16-30, being used for the N.E. on 3rd Street. UPON P. VOICE COTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TIIE MOTION CARRIED UNANINiOUSLY. 4. LOT SPLIT REQi7EST L.S, it80-Ol, FRIDLEY lIOUSIrG & REDEVF.LOPP4ENT AUTHORITY: Sp1it 7�ots 21, 22, 23 and 24, Block 21, Hyde Park, into 3 building sites: Parcel 1; Lots 24 and North 13.3 feet of Lot 23, Parcel 2: The Southerly 26.7 feet of Lot 23 and the Northerly 26.7 feet of Lot 22, Parcel 3: Lot 21 and the South 13.3 feet of Lot 22, the same being 5821, 5825, and 5831 3rd Street N.E. (Note change in legal description.) Mr. Boardman stated the HRA has purchased this property �ahich is approximately 160 fe. of lot. They are looking at breaking Chat up into three buildable sites. Wilh the vacated alley, that gives them the required l.ot size of over 7,500 sq, fC. They also fall under the allowable lot width of between 50 and 60 feet. There are conditions placed on those lot widl-hs and those conditions are setback conditions from the sideyard. They do intend to develop the buildings on those sites that wi11 meeC those setUack conditions. (Pir. Treuenfels arrived at 8:20 p.m.) MOTION by P1s. Hughes, seconded by TSr. Saba, to recommend approval to City Council of Lot Split P.equest, L.S. ��80-01, Pridley flousin� & Redevelopment AuChority�: Split Lots 21, 22, 23 and 24, 131oc1c ?_1_llyde Parl:, into 3 building sites: Parcel 1: Lots 24 and North 13.3 feet of Lot 'L3, Parcel 2: The Southerly 26.7 feeL- of Lot 23, and the Iv'ortherly 26.7 feet of Lot 22, Parcel 3: Lot 21 and the South 1"3.3 feet of I,ot 27_, the same being 5321, 5825, and 5831 3rd Street N,�. UPON A �'OICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE P10TION CARRIED tT\ANIPiOUSLY. 5. LOT SPLIT T�,QUFST T.S. �k80-02, PRIDI,ES' }IOUSING & REDEtiELOP.IENT AUTHORITY: Split ofi thc North 1/2 of Lot 23 and add i.t to Lot 24, P,lock 5, Hyde Park, and add the South half to Lot 22, Block 5, Hyde Park, to make two Uuilding sites from 3 lots, the same Uein� 6041 and 6031 3rd Street N.E. Mr. Boardman stated that the HRA l�as purchased the Parlin property. There are 3- 40 ft. lots �ahich give thr�m a toCal of 120 feet of lot. They are requesting a split to �ivc Chem a lot size of 60' wide by 129' deep. IC is over the 7,500 sq, ft. allowable lot size. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 23 1980 PAGE 4 Mr, Boardman atated that at this point, they have not requested an alley right-of-way vacation, but are looking at that possibility lateY. The two properties to the south are presently using the alley, but the property to the north has access other than the alley. He sCated this house has already been torn down. to by i;r. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabe y Council of Lot Split Request, L.S. 1kII0-02 lopment Authority: Split off the North 1/2 , Block 5, Hyde Park, and add the South hal e Park, to make two 1 3rd Street N.E. tes to recommend ridley Housi Lot 23 and o Lot 22. B1 ne same oein it to UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TfiE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. and 6. RECEIVE APRIL 3, 1980, SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the April 3, 1980, Special Parks & Recreation Commission meeting minutes. Ms. Hughes stated the agenda for this meeting was really to talk about the kall wa11 for the North Park Nature CenCer building because of new information. The City Manager asked at that special meeting to add the "Lease with Anoka County", and this was discussed fairly briefly. She stated she has some further information on this subject, and this wi11 be discussed later on in the agenda. On page 6 of these minutes, the Parks & Recreation Coum�ission made a motion listing guidelines they wanted the City Council to consider in any development of a Joint Powers Agreement. She stated she had voted "no" on this motion, because she felt it was terribly rushed and that only one option had been looked at, rather than looking at more options that might be available to the City of Fridley. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN AARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 7, RECEIVE APRIL 3, 1980, HUMAN R�SOURCES COMI�ff SSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Treuenfel.s, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the April 3, 1980, Human Resources Co�ission minutes. Mr. Harris stated that on page 4, the Human Resources Commission had made a motion that the Chairperson pursue the feelings of the Planning Co�nission in regard to the appropriate role for the Human Resources Commission in the area of the "No-Fault Grievance Procedure". He asked Mr. Treuenfels if he would like any further action from the Planning Commission. Mr. Treuenfels stated no acCion was necessary, but he would appreciate any comments the Planning Conunission members had on the subject. PLANNING COMMISSION MI:ETING APP,IL 23, 1980 PAGF. 5 Mr. Boardman stated the reason Cbe Human Resources Commission was sending this through the Planning Commission was Uecause the last time it was sent to the Planning Connnission in regard to the Memorandum of Agreement, ehe Planning Commission had said "no", they did not feel it was appropriate for the liuman Resources Co�ission to pursue. So, the Human Resources Commission wanted the Planning Commission's reaction before pursuing the "No-Fault Grievance Procedure" any further. NLs. Schnabel stated she did not think what was discussed before was as detailed or appeared to be as big a task as [his "IQo-Fault Grievance Procedure" She sEated she had some mixed feelings about it. She was a little suspicious about the State Human Rights Department coming to the Ci.ty and asking the City to do their job, She did not kno�a if they were in any position to pay for staff time to do Chat, let alone assist with all the volunteer hours. Yet, she could see some validity in taking some of this information in at a local level, trying to resolve it, and hoping it would get resolved at a quicker pace than it would by going to the State. Mr. Harris statedhis feeling before and still is that he has not seen a proven need for a service like this in the com�unity. Mx. Boardman stated in the document the State Human Rights Department sent out- t-o the communities, it says you must be careful about.i2ow you word your responses Lo individuals beca�;e you might be liable for court cases. First oE all, they are aslcing the City to do L-heir �aork ior them, they feel they are overloaded, and they don't have the stafr and the money to do what the Sta[e set up for. them to do. He felt L-hat one oi the reasoas the State 13un,an Rights Department went to a"fio-Fault Grievance Procedure" was because of the court cases they have to handle, so that the grievances can be worked out before Chey get to the State. Mr. Boardman stated he also did not know whether the staff at the State Human Rights Department really �aant the cotmnunities involved, because of their neg2tive attitude wheu the City has dealt c;ith them on the telephone. tIe stated there is no reimUursemenC to the City for staff services either. He did not know if he wanted to spend a lot of staff tlme on it, and he was noL sure how much time it would take. It �aould also demand time from the Human Resources Commission. He-assumed the grievance procedures would run any- where from tenant/landlord grievances to job grievances, and he assumed they would get a full r�inge of human rights discrimination cases or at least complaints. Mr. Langenfeld stated he thoughC Lhe concept was good, but z'ight now the implementation does not appear to be good. Heie you are reaching into an area of ehpertise, and it could be rather Couch}� when you deal with individual persons and Lheir individual problems caithout lhe nxoper t-raining. Mr. Boardma�i stated there caas one day of traini�; to determine cahether a grievance is or is noC a discrimination case. If the}� have to determine l-hat, they better have aCtorneys i.nvolved. He was very concerned aUout L-hat. Another concern cvas wtiat it is going to look lilce at tlie city level as the PLANrTING COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 6 City has no authority when people come in asking for help. They can sit down and talk with them, but can't resolve anything, and the people will wonder why hhe City is wasting their time. He did not feel it was realistic unless there was some reimbursement from the State. Mr. Treuenfels stated the City Ordinance that established the Human Fesources Covmiission addresses itself to the question of possible discrimination in the City, and he felt it charges the Human Resources Co�ission to at least look at this particular aspect of involvement. He stated he would be bringing this up to the Human Resources Commission for further consideration, because he £elt they were entitled to some more discussion. Mr. Treuenfels stated that the question was raised about whether people would use this type of service, but once it was established, maybe a lot of people would use it. No one can predict what would happen. Mr. Treuenfels stated the point was raised about the apparent lack of staff time, and this was an important point to be faced. He did not believe this particular program could succeed very well unless the Human Resource Conm�ission mem6ers are willing to spend their own time on it. The matter of sitting down oriffi the two parties and asking questions should be left up to the Commission members and should not involve staff. He felt the paperwork appears to be fairly minimai, and he �aould think cor.�ission members could do the paperwork. 24r. Treuenfels stated another point raised was the question of liability. This is something that happens in other areas also; for example, a child getting hurt on playground equipment in a park. The question is: Would the City be willing to consider possible 1ega1 questions with respect to this particular activity of the Human Resources Commission? Mr. Treuenfels stated that, in lookino over the procedure.closely, it was not necessary for the Auman Resources Coum�ission to be equipped to give advice as such, but merely to point out to the c witending parties the procedure they could foilow and te11 them r;.ght from the start that they may wishto pursue their grievance at the state levet right away. Mr. Treuenfels stated these comments have been very helpful, and these comments wi11 Ue passed on to the Human Resources Cou�ission. Ms. Hughes stated she would encourage the Human Resources Commission to pursue the "I�o-Fault Grievance Procedure", She was we11 aware of a number of prncesses like thfs, whether it is called "no-fault", mediation, or just providing the-opportunity to get together, that are working successfully. It was worth pursuing, Uecause the State does not now provide an opporlunity for a lot of these things to be done in a mediated fashion. One advantage of this procedure is that it gives an opportunity, instead of sitting around for a long time or being forced to go to court issnediately. She also feit there were plenty of ways of getting out of the liability problem or the staff problem. �,ANNING COMMISSION MCETING APRTL 23, 1980 PAGE 7 Mr. Boardman stated there are a lot of agencies and groups presently working on discrimination--women's groups, unions, etc. How much of this would overlap in other areas? What would thc City Ue accomplishing, other than starting the papertaork for the SL-ate? Mr. Harris stated that Mr. Treuenfels should discuss this further with his coa�ission. UPON A VOICE VOT�, ALL VOTING AY�, CIlAIRMAN lil�RRIS DECLARTD THE MOTION CARRIED Ui�iANIMOUSLY: , g, RECEIVE APRIL 8, 1980, CON�1Ui��ITY DE��ET OP1�fENT CONAIISSION MINUTES: MOTION Uy Mr. Oquist, seconded Uy Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the April 8, 1980, Community Development Cov¢nission minutes. Mr. Oquist stated cerned about what Street. that the Community Development Commission was sti11 con- should be done as fas as a bikeway sysl-em on Nississippi Mr. Saba stated that in light of the energy situation and the promotion at th� state and feeeral levels of using bicycles not onJ.y as a hobb}°, but 2s a primary means of transportalion for svme people, he felt it was something that should be strongly reconsidered. We have to reconsider the use of roads, not only for motorized vehicles, Uut zlso for L-icycles and vaalking. Mr. Boardman stated that because of the volume of traffic on Mississippi, the County has said there needs to be four lanes of traffic. Mr. Harris stated it seems much n,cre dangerous to have on-street parking on Missi�sippi on what is supposed to be four lanes of traffic than to have a single lane each way. t4r. Boardman stated that �aith the dcvelopraent of the Center City Project, they are proposing an off-street bikeway system from tP�e University inter- section over to aL- least Village Green and 7th Street. From there, it is possible they could cross Tlississippi at 7th SL. and get to Hayes Elementary School,but there it is deadended. Ms. SchnaUel stated that, at this time, she would like to raise a concern about a handicapped person who rides a motorized wheelchair down Iruisbruck park�oay. She felt it caould 6e a good cautionary measure for Fridley to post somc type of signage so people would be aware that tihere is a handi- capped person in that area. No action was talcen on this conceril. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTSNG AYI:, CHAIRrfAn IiARRIS DECT.ARL�D T1iE MOTION C�RRIED UNANIMOUSLY. PLANNING__COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 8 9. RECEIVE APRIL 10, 1980, HOUSING & REDEVELOPI��NT AUTAORITY MZNUTES; MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the Apri1 10, 1980, liousing & Redevelopment Authority minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. 10. RECEIVE APRIL 15, 1980, APYEALS COMI��SSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the April 15, 1980, Appeals Commission �inutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. 11. JOINT POWERS AGREFMENT: Mr. Boardman stated the Joint Powers Agreement went to the City Council on Monday, April 21, and they tabled it until the May 5 meeting in order to get a response from the Parks & Recreation Coimnission and the Planning Co�nission. Ms. Hughes stated she was in the position of suggesting that this item be tabled a little longer until they know exactly what they want. The Parks & Recreation Coam�ission has had four discussions on the Joint Powers Agreement. It was first taken to the Parks & Recreation Covmiission at a regular meeting in February, at which time they were presented an agreement almost identical to this one. She has been told this is similar to a joint powers agreement the County has with another community to run a park. At the February meeting, the Paxks & Recreation Commission asked and was tol.d there was no rush, so it was delayed and they did not take any action or finalize anything at the second Parks & Recreation Commission meeting. At the April 3 special meeting, the City hlanager brought it up, even Chough it was not on the agenda, Because the City Manager said it was critical the Commission act on it that day, they came up with a list of guidelines. At the Apri1 16 Parks & Recreation Commission meetir.g, she asked that this be put on the agenda, and at 10:30 p.m.,they were presented with the draft Joint Powers Agreement and told again it was not going to City Council right away, that the City Council would take suggestions, and it would come back to the Commission before any further dis- cussions with the County. At the April 16 meeting, the Commission added a few things to the qua2ifications and were specifically told this would not go to City Council on April 21. Ms. Hughes stated she was not happy that this thing was moving so fast and did not think it was essential to do so. She has talked to Metropolitan Council to see what their time schedu2e is on thzs, cohat kinds of deadlines there are on money, and any other kind of deadlines. The City Council has told her that Anolca County and Ramsey County have iiled a joint plan on the trails and the whole reason for the Joint Powers Agreement is to accommo- date the trails through Locke Park. Anoka County has approved theirs, but Ramsey County has not, although they are expecting to act on it this month or next month. Ramsey County sent their plan to rietropolitan Council and asked £er a preliminary review Uefore they vote on it. Metropolitan Council staff has reviewed, made appropriate cocmnents, and has transmitted it back �+i�� 1'LANNING COMMISSION NIGETING, APRIL 23 1980 PAGE 9 to Ramsey County. The ol-her permil-s that �voeid be requir.ed before Metro- politan Council can give final approval on the Crail plan are one from the Rice Crcek Watershed District and one fran the Deparl-ment of Natural Resources, because one of the proposals is to have a pathway under iiwy. 65 in tbe culvert of Rice Creek. She stated the 14etropolitan Council people told her that it would probably take up to a year to get the DP7It's permiC. The money is not going to disappear., the money has been approved and desig- nated for the first phase of development of the Rice Creek Trail System, and there is no deadline on that running out. There caas a plan for the first- phase development money that h?d 6een submitted. Metropolitan Council is willing to chan�e the designation irom what it had been to allowing L-rail development and installation of a traffic signal at Ilvry. 47 and 64th, and that is apparently the reason for pushing to get the Soint Powers Agreement. Whatever Metropolitan Council approvals there are on the total plan on L-he signal and the funding t�rill be cor.tingeiit on gettin� all the other permits in order. Since the timetable is as much as a year away, she did not see the reason for the rush to get the Joint Powers Agreement. Mr. Boardman stated that a lot of times trails have Ueen approved in sections. rietropolitan Council can appxove the Anoka County section of the Anoka County Master Plan of th�t trail �aithoue necessarily having the Ramsey County P1asl-er P1an apnroved. If tliey can get tl:e Anoka County Master Plan approve<1 Uy Metropol.itan Council., tl�en they can utilize m.oaies that are available this year for development of that sigualization. The Metropolitan Council has just developed a policy thal- the}� are nct gcing to gct into reimbursements again, so the City is afrxid that they zre goir.g to lose the percentage match that the Metropolitan Council ��aas goin� to pay for that signalization. idhat that means is that one portion is being paid for by the County, one portion is being paid for Uy Lhe City, and the City's poYtion is Ueing assessed Co the property owners. [dithou.t that match, the assessment amomzt is going to increase to the property o<<mers, The City is very concerned about that, and feels it is very importanh to move �head as quicicly as possiUle. As far as he understood it, the Metropolitan Council does not need the P.NR approval. for the Rice Creek Plan in order to appr�ve the elnd�ca County Master Plan. Ms. Iiughes stated she was just reporting w}iat she had been told by Metro- politan Council. iahat Mr. I3oardivan had jusL L'old the Planning Commission �oas the first Cime she or Lhe Parks & Recreation Com.�nission had heard this kind of detail., and it was one of the most irritatino facets of �ahy there was such a rush. � Ms. Iiughes stated there has not been any attempt Uy city slaff, the City Manager, the Planner, or the Pailc Department Co develop an�� alternatives to this Uroad Joint Pocaers Agreement that deals only with Locke Park-- originr�lly pres?nted to iiiclude the Islands of Peace. Ms. Hughes the Parlcs & Recreation Commission has not had satisfactory answers wiCh respect to the restrictions wichin the deed to Locke Yarlc, except the broad t;eneral statement from st�ff that ther.e was not any problem. She has had enough of these convnunication problems witli city sCaff Chat she has decided Lo check over Che deed l�erself and has made arrangements to do that on Priday, April 25. PLANNZNG CdNII�iiSSION NIIiETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 10 Ms. Hughes stated the thing that concerns her, although not all the Parks & Recreation Commission members, is that there will be a complete loss of control of �ohat happens in the area of Locke Park. Ms. Hughes stated the Parks & Recreation Commission did give the City Manager a list of general guidelines as something useful for beginning discussions with the County on a Joint Powers Agreement, but they were not telling the City or recommending to the City Counr_il or the Planning Commission that these wou�d be the on?y and final recommendations and that the Joint Powers Agreement should be approved and signed. i Ms. Hughes reviewed the chanoes recommended by the Parks & Recreation Commission under the"County Responsibilities" on page 2 of the proposed Joint Pozaers Agreement. She stated the Parks & Recreation Cou�ission had reccmimended that there be an annual meeting bet�aeen the City and the County to approve plans and developments. This recommendaCion had been put under "V. Capital Improvements" on page 4. She stated this joint meeting was not to be jus� for capital improvements, but for maintenance plans and absolu*_ely everything that was planned for the park for thal year. Mr. Harris refer�ed to page 5, "VII. POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION: The County agrees to furnish the spec�al park pai-ro1 personneJ_ required to assure the safety and caell being of the parlc users and protection of the facilities." Ae asked Ms. liughes to expaad on that statement. Ms. Ilughes stated that the Soint Pocaers Agreement was partially sold on the idea that the City would save $50,000 a year on maintenance and police and fire. But the way it came back is that the City is going to continue to provide the normal police and fire protection. The way the City Manager envisioned it �aas that the park patrol would keep tabs on the park on a certain schedule, and ii the park patrol needed he1p, they would call the Fridley police. The park patrol does net have ar.y police powers. Ms. Hughes stated another thiug she would like to checic out is the saving of the $50,000. How much can be attributed to Locke Park, how much can be attributed to Islands of Peace, and how much of it is police funding? She did not have the answers to Chese questions. Ms. I�ughes stated she was not opposed to having the County share the costs, but she would like to see what the possibilities are for such things as a tra.il easement in a very small area of the park and what the County would pay for that easement versus having a11 the maintenance. She would like to see if there was a payment plan of some kind whereUy the City could continue to do the maintenance and the County would pay the City. None of these options have been pursued. Mr. Boardman stated these options havc been d_iscussed somewhat between staffs. As far as the Count}° paying the City for maintenance, there is no way the County would go for that. As far as pur�hasing easement to cross the parlc property cai.th a trail, Metropolitan Council would not go along with that. PSetropolitan Council would scratch the caltole trail system if that was the case. PLANNING CO:R�4ISSION TII;ETING, APR7L 23, 1980 � PAGE 11 Mr. Boardman stated the usership of Locke Yark is primarily residents out- side of the City, although city residents do get use of it. The City is paying for and providing a regional parlc facility Lor regional park usership. Ms. Aughes stated again that it was her personal feeling and real concern that the City will lose complete control of Locke Parlc and not have much to say about it. She would want to see the City have control over the complete development of Locke Park, to have some control on the picking up of gar6age, sweeping,mowing, etc., and those things they �ai11 not have control over. The park is in the middle of Fridley, is quite visible, and a lot of the credit or discredit is �oing to come to the Gity wheth.er or not the County is involved. Mr. Harris stated that on the surface, he �aas in favor of having the County take over the maintenance of Locke Park for regional park usage for the simple reason of the money the City would save on maintenance, moriey that could be used in the rest of the park system and r.ecreational programs. He would appreciate Ms. Hughes researching this informrttion to see how much money is really involved. Also the researching of the deed might clear up a lot of questions, Pir. Harris aslced Ms. Hughes how she felt the character of�the paric would change if the County ta.ces over the maintenance and operation under tt,e Joint Powers Agreement? Ms. tiuglies s[ated there were already trails running through the park; obviously, the trails would be ��ider and better maintained, planned and developed than Chose now. If the Count} does as �aell as they do in a lot oi their other parks, Locke Park could be as well or better maintained than it is noco. The first pa�e of lhe Joint Powers Agreement gives the impression that the park is going to be. overrim with people, and she did not believe that �aas �oing to be �rue. If it is true, then the CiLy is i.n worse treuble, because there. are homes along the parl: and people �aill be complaining. Slie stated it was 7an Seeger's coacern that the City �aas moving the controls of the park fa.rther away aud citizeas cannot approach the County as well as they can approach the City. Mr. Boardman stated tUey have to be careful about imposino too many restric- tions on this Lhing. 'Phey don't �aant to lose Che regional Crai1 system. He felt the re.gioaal trail system is a�ood thing. It is providing a regional bilce�vay system that wi11 eventually allo*,a them to link up with the �ahole reglonal bikeway sysi:em from Lino Lakes to the Plinneapolis trail system and farther. He said they are trying to acc.:nplish what the Parks S: Recreation Commission really c��auted and th:it was adequale control of the property caithout the expense to the City. Tl�e other Lhing they were looking at was some scheduled maintenance on the property and tl�aC schedule would have to Ue approved hy the City of Fridley. They are looking at a savings of money L'Itat could possiUly be put_ into other neighborhood facilities z3.nd park programs. If thep can provide the same service to the residents of P'ridley without the cost, it is a Uonus. PLANNING CO��iIISSION M13ETING, APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 12 Mr. Harris asked Ms. Maertens if she would like to make any comments regarding the Joint Powers Agreement. Ms. Maertens stated that she felt the commissions were being bypassed again. She questioned what the real purpose of the Planning Commission was if these things do not go in a routine fashion through Planning Covrtnission so the citizens of Fridley can be aware of these things. Ms. Maertens stated she has some problems �aith the Joint Powers Agreement. She did not feel anything about what is going on in this area--the Rice Creek Trail System or the Joint Pocoers Agreement--has been heard in the community. Ms. Hughes was hearing L-hings from Mr. Boardman for the first time at this meeting, and all this ir.formation should have happened and discussion taken place long before this point. If the Joint Powers Agreement was presented in FeUruary, why the ur�ency now? The thing about the deadline being right now is a detriment to citizen input. She stated it was difficult enough for citizens to have an impact on government, and it caas difficult even in the City of Fridley. She did notthink they should be removing these kinds of things from local government, at least cvithout adequate public hearings so people could really know what is going on. Ms, Maertens stated that the removing of maintenance costs on to another level of government seems lil;e a sma11 thing, but it isn't. She found a number of thiugs wrong with it, and one of them was that she believed the City coould generally lose much control and say so over what happens at Locke Park. Whether or not the City actually owns that land, it is perceived as being owned by the City of Fridley and is a 1oca1 park. She thought people would have difficulty dealing with the regional usage of the park withoat having had the opportunity to discuss it first. She stated she also felt the City did not have to give their parks away. Mr. Bcardman pointed oct that there is a terniination clause with any joint powers agreement, and a joint potaers agreement can be terminated by either party. If Anoka Count} is not doing cahat they are supposed to be doing and not doing it to the sat;.sfaction of the City Council or if the City starts receiving complaints from the citizens because of it, that joint powers agree- ment can Ue terminated. Ms. Fiughes stated she ielt rridley caas in a very strong negotiating position with Anolca County, because Anoka County wants the trail system. She thought that was a key element in this issue, and the CiCy ought to be able to use that to get what they wanti the most and not give the park away. Mr. Boardman agreed that the City is in a very strong position, but they also have to be careful about how they are puttin� it down. If Anoka County says "no", then Pfetropolitan Council wi11 say "no" and there wi11 be no trail. Hc stated they have to have seme type of agreement, whether it is the Joint Fowers Agreement or anoL-her one. A possibility would be liaving the CounCy just maintain the trail. PLANNTNG COMMISSION MGETING APRIL 23, 1980 PAGB 13 Mr. llarris referred to page 3, Item A-9, uiidcr "County Responsibilities: To establish and to collect user fees, if any, after concurrence by tlte City Council." He stated that staL-ement bol-he.red him as parlcs are supposed to be free. Mr. Harris asked Ms. Hu�hes what ehe would recommend the Planning Commi.ssion do with this item. Ms. Hughes stated she would recommend that the Planning Co�ission ask that l-he Joint Powers Agreement not be rushed until the Parks & Recreation Commission and ol-her interested commissions and the Planning Commission have these questions ans�vered. She di.d not think the Planning Commission should oppose the joint powers agreement approach. She stated she would be bringing more information back to the Planning Co�nission. MOTIO� Uy Ms. Aughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, that the Planni.ng Concnission urge the City Council to move very slo�oly �aith the Joint Powers Agreement, buC to pursue some tentative negotiations o:ith Anolca County iu relationship to required joint powers on the trail system. Mr. Treuenfels stated the couu�eirt was made that the public didn't seem to be informed aUout what is happening and cnsybe the motion should Ue expanded to urge the City Council to pi�blici_ze and have a publir hearing. Ms. Dlaertens stated she did not ihink a public hearing �aould draw the people. If staff would take some of the responsibility for puUlic relations and get this inf:orriaCien :eleased, tl�raugh the Fridley Sun ar throu�h the City quarterly ne�aslettei, that v:oulc] b� helpful. Mr. Harris stated he felt the Cit}' did as geod a job as any level of govern- ment in thc metropolitan area in trti�ing tc kcep the citizens informed. Mr. Harris stated he felt the Joint Po�aers Agreement- should be continued by both the Planning Comnission and the City Council and sent back to appropriate memUer commissions for their sY.udy. t•Ss. Au�hes �aithd°ew the motion �+i_th the concurrence of the seconder, Mr. Treuenicls. MOTION b�� A1s, Hughes, seconded by_Pir. Treuenfels, ta recoimnend that the Ci_Ly Coimcil. cvntinue the Joi.nt Po•+rers Arreement unCil their ri�eting on M�y 14, 19 i0, ae whi.ch time ttie Parl:s & RccreaCion Commission and the Pleinniur; Coiiunission wi11 have d�veloped further information. UPON A VOICL VO�E, ALL VOTING AYIi, CHr1IP�1`fAN HARRIS DECLARliD TIiE h10TI0N CAP�RIEll IJNANITIOUSLY , PSOTION Uy TIr. Treuen.fels, seconded by Pfr. Lan�enfeld, to continue the Joint Powexs Agreement until the next Planning Conunission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all votino a}'c, Chairman Harr.is declared the motion carried unanimously. PLANNZNG COM4�SSION MEETING, APRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 14 MOTION by Ma. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to place the Joint Powers Agreement item on the Co�nunity Development Commission meeting agenda for May 13. Upon a voice vote, all votirg aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. 12. CONTINUED: PROPOS�D CHANGES TO CHt1PTER 205. ZONING: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. � 13. OTHER BUSINESS: A. Spring Lake Parl: Public Hearing Notice NOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the Spring Lake Park public hearing notice for a special use permit to install three 10,000-12,000 gal. inground tanks to dispense gasoline at a proposed superette at 7730 Tyler St. N.E. Mr. Harris asked Air. Boardman to check into this and if there were any problems to have someone attend the April 28 public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, AL'L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRTS DECLARED TFIE MOTION CAPJ3IED UNANIDiOUSLY. B. Amendments to Housing Chapter, Metropolitan Development Guide, and March 19£t0-SeptemUer 1983 Subsidized Housing A]location Plan Mr. Boardman stated this was for the Commission's information. C. Joint Meeting with F,nergy Commission and City Coimcil Mr. Saba stated that the Energy ConLmission would like to schedule a meeting with the City Council as soon as possible to discuss the proposed Energy Policy for the City of Fridley. He stated the State has passed a bill and the Governor has signed it which will provide $1.2 million in planning money Lor various cities throughout the state. This money wi11 be available in the fall of 1980. In tallcing to Bill Davis of the Minnesota Energy Agency, Mr. Davis stated it would be very helpful if the City had an energy policy in effect prior to applying for that aid. Tfr. Boardman stated he was aware of this information and would try to get this meeting scheduled as soon as possible. PLANNING COMMISST.ON MEBTING AYRIL 23, 1980 PAGE 15 D. !'Energy Survival: The First Step" - Seminar D1r. Harris stated this seminar would be held on May 1-2 at the Hilton Imt in Plinneapolis. If any of the Commission members were interested in atteciding, they could contact Mr. noardman. ADJOURNMI:NT : MOTION by Mz. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the April 23, 1980, Planning Cou¢nission meeting adjourned at 11:45 p.m, RespecCfully submitted, � nt� ., a .� Ly r� Saba Recording Secretary "DRAL'T SUB3ECT TO FINAL APPI:OVAL' ENVIRONMlNTAL QJAI.,ITY CCUi'iZSSION � II:ETiNG APRIL 15, 1980 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Langenfeld called the April 15, 19&0, Envi-tonmental Quality Commission meeting to order at 7:45 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Jim Langenfeld, Bruce Peterson, Jon Erickson Members Absent: Lee Ann Sporre Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner APPROVAL OF MARCH i8, 1980, ENVIRONi4EI4TAL 2Ua1T,iTY COMMSSSION MID?UTES: MOTION by Mr. Peterson, secanded by Nr. Erickson, to approve the March 18, 1980, Environmen�al Quality Commission minutes as wr.itten. Upon a voice vo�e, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Langenfeld stated that at l'h2 April 9, 19$0, Planning Commission mee�ing, the Planning Commission did support the NPC-5 Airport Noise Permit by a unanimous�vote. APPROVAL OF AGEn'DA; MOTION Uy Mr. Erickson, seconded by hlr. Peterson, of Of£icers - to Item �k4. Upon a voice vote, all Chairperson Langenfeld declared l-he r.iotion carried 1. CONTINUED: ANOKA COUNTY AIRPORT: to move Item �kl - Election voting sye, unanimously. Mr. Deblon stated that the next Anoka County Task Force meeting will be Thursday, April 17, at St. Timothy's Catholic Church in Blaine. He stated there �aill be an open house on riay 3, 11 a.m. - 4 p.m., at Blaine City Ha11. Mr. Deblon urged the Commissiou members tc attend that open house as it woald be a good opportunity to find out wl�at is really going on with the airport and the alternatives. Mr. Langenleld asked what TRA's time schedule was for conpletion of the airport study? ENVI1tON,"tENi'AI. QL�AT.ITi G'0_KPffSS70N i�TEETIN,zlsPF,IL ]?,_1980 - PAGii 2 Mr. Deblon si.ated that accord.ing to the ti.n:etable, TRA is suyposed to priorilize the altexna!:i.ves Uy A�ril 7.7. ln June, i�4!�C is supposed to select an alternative. D.'r. Deblrr� srlt.ed t�e did not think those Chings would be happening that quicic.i.y. Mr. rricksen a�lced ii thi.s Co.�nission iiad gciie on record and taken a posltion as to th� air.port? Mr. I,angenfeld sCated t:he Comr�ission oi.d that qui_te scm�e L'ime ago. Also, the City Council msde ard gas>ed Resolution �f139-?.977 on Dec. 22, 19'7: "Resolu:i..on oppr.sing reclassification nr Anoka Couni�y Airpert to an inter- mediate aviation facili.ty until further assessmen.0 of the consequeaces of such reclassification �s conducte3." �ir. Petersor. asked if. the i;i.ty has taken a positi.on on the Anoka County Airyort more mceritly thzn 1977. Mr. Langenfeld stated he d�_d not thial: t.�ere had been any new resolutions sir.ce 1977. The o:�ly motion he knew at.out caas a r�otion by City Council in 3^nuary 1980 to have Conc�cilm��n Fitzpa[rick actenc und monitor the Task.Torce m�etings as an obs�rver, but not to accept th� invitation to join the Task Po:ce. tir. Peterson stlted he cao��ld !ike Lo ?moi�r if [here had been any change in the City's status or posi.ticn on the Anoka County Airport since Resuiu�ion ik139-1977 made hy �he Cit:y Council in Dec. 19�7. Mr. L'Fhlon stated tt�at it.. Bourdman had ateen3ed the 'iast Task Force meeting and had reported that n��t: much :aas accomplish�_d at L-hat meeting. Mr. Deblon state3 he would be attercting Ciie Apri1 17 Task I'orce meeting. MD'PION by tdr. 5rickson, seconr.;ed by Mr. Peterson, to cantinue discussior. on the Anolca County Airpori: at ar.o�her meeCing. Upan a voice vete, all votir.� a}�e, Chui.rperson Langer.ield ciec;.ared Ch� motion carried unanimously. Tir. Langenfeld teq!�esteu that all tlie Ccv-nnission m2mbers recei_ve cop�es of all Che memos ar.d macerial si�iit out abnut eacY{ Tas�t 1'orce mee*ing. 2. CAN'PIN'i�E➢: T.il. lOJPIS��2Tt3 CF:OSSTOWtv; Mr. D�blon stated [hat e.t thc iast meeti.ng h� had been requested to check in*_o cai�y Fri.dley ha3 not received a11 the technical r.eports. Mr. Deblon stated thae he had checkr-_d irito th�s mat.ter and was told that Fridley c,*as not a mcmber of the NorE:t. Ma.ia ;ement Committee: and so did not pap Lhe fee which e:as used for the printiug ein3 maili.ng of reports. Therefore, the City of Fridley would nci: bc receivi.ng ,urigin�!1 co�ie.� nf tlie,e regortsl I:e statt:a he aas in rhe preceas o� reque>t:in� ;;er.c�xed copies of these .repvrts fer the (7ommission memehees� MOT.ION by Mr. PeCerscn, seconded Uy �ir.. Lrickson, to conCinue dis;ussion on '.Clt lA/Norel� CrossCCC.ni at anui:l�t:r neetin�;. Upen a voice vote, all voting ayc, Ch3irperso�i 7�angenield :'•aclar�d the mot�ion carried unauimously. ENVIRONMIiNTAL QUALITY COMhiZ5SI0i? ME�TING, APRIL 15 1380 - PAGE 3 3. OTHER BUSINESS: A. Res3gnation of Marvin Hora Mr. Langenfeld read Mr. Hora's resignation letter, in which Mr. Hora stal-ed that he was resigning due to work an3 family commitments, Mr. Hora also stated he had enjoyed working with the Commission and if he could be of assistance to the Commiscion in the future, the Commission was to feel free to contact him. MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by rir. Erickson, to receive Mr. Hora's letter of resignation. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion carried unanimously. B. Seminar Mr. Langenfeld stated there would be a"Planning for Quiet Communities" seminar on tiay 8 at the SheraCOn N.W. This seminar is being presented by the League oi 24innesota Cities, Metro Clean Air, and the Government Training Service. Any interested Commission member may a�*_end this seminar. C. Earth Shelter 4�2 seminar - Report hy Bruce Peterson Mr. Peterson stated he had attended ar. eveding open house exhi6ition. He stated the exhibition basically consisted of exhibits put on by various eugineering firms who design earth sheltered homes, contraciors, and >uppliers of building materials. He stated there caas a lot of information on solar heating to go along with the earth shelters. He stated he had gathered quite a lot of informatioa and would pass on those things he felt the Coum�ission should receive into the record. MOTiON by Mr. Peterson, seconded by t�Ir. Erickson, to receive into the record the fol!ocring materials from khe Earth Shelter 4k2 seminar: 1. "Earth Shelter - 2 Conference & Exhibition" 2. "Super kIomes of the 80's" 3. "Login; A New Problem Solving Resource for Local Governments" 4. "27 Reasons FIl�y You Should Consider Earth Sheltered Living" UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON LANGENF�LD DfiCLARED THE A10TION CARRIED UNANIrIOUSLY; 4. �L�CTION OI' OFFICERS: Pir. Langenfeld declared the nominations open for chairperson ECNTRONM�NTAL QLiAi,IT`.' F,0?firilSS'f.OPd NIl:ET7NG APt TL 15 7;9g0 - PAGE 4 -- — ---- --'--- � �--- -- Mr, Peterson ��cmi;iat�d ,�im I�angenfeld for. chairpersmi. N,6TION by Mr. Feterson, secnr,ded by Pir. EricE;son, to close the nominati.orw and casC a ehite ��alloi: for ,:i.rn Langenfeld for Chairperson of ehe Envi.ron- menCal Quality Co::�-�issi.ori. Gpon a v�ice vcte, all ��oting aye, Chairperson Lan.genfeld declzrc,d tl:e moticii carried �manimously. hir. Langenfeld declared the nominations opea for vice-chairperson. Mr. Peteison riomi.�lated I,ee Ann Sporr.^ for. •;ir_e-chairperson. MOTION by Mr. Yeter.sor, seconded by PSY. Erickson, to close Che nominations and case a wtiite bailot for Lee Anr Sno-rre fur Vice-Chai.z�person ot the Enviro:unental 4uality Coumiission. Upcn a voice vote, all votir.g aye, Chairperson Lai2genfeld declared the motion carried unanimously. AllJOURNNiENi: NOTION Uy Mr. Peterson., eeco^ded by Mr. �rickson, to adjourn the meet:ing. Upoa a voice vo�e, all :�otin, aye, Chcirparson L�^iigeafeld dec2ared the April 15, 1980, Environrnental Quality Conmii.ssion meeting adjourned at 9:00 p.cn. Re�� ctfu:l.ly subu;iYted. / / ��1�!r � �f.�-l�C: }� pe Saba � Recordi.n ; Secretar.} PAR1:S & kECRP:ATIQN C0�4P4ISSION t�IIiETI NG APRIT. 16, 1980 CALL TO ORDFR: Chairperson Hu�hes called the April 16, 1980, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting to order at 7;34 p.m. ROLL CALL• Members Present: Barbara Hughes, ,7an Seeger, Dave Kondrick, Dick Young, llan Allen Members Absent: None Others Present: Charles Boudreau, Yarlcs & Fecr.eation Director Tim TurnUull, Crime Prever.tion Coordinator Larry Bendell, PYSA - Soccer APPRO��AL OF �1t1r�H 12, 1980; Pt1RKS & RECBEATIOr; C6MhiISSIO\ MINUTES: Pi0TI0A? by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Your!g, to approve the March 1'L, 1980, Parks & Recreation Commission minutes. The following changes were rade to the minutes; Page 4, third paragraph, second sentence should read: "NSP is discussing plans for expansion and co-generation at Riverside." Page 6, secrnld paraoraph, second sentence should read: "He stated he and rir. Boardman then met o�ith an E1k River firm that had taken out Uid documents UuC iiad not bid." Page 11, inszrt the Yollo�oing parzgraph in Item D: "Dr. Boudreau stated theti� were going to exp�°riment witl�� a bus or some type of transportation irom Ftuth Circl.e area and the Craig area to River- wood School as a plcaygr.uund 1ecaCion. This is strictly an experi- mental program and wi11 operate until it is no longer feasiUle." UPON A VOICP POTF, ALL VOTING AIT:, C1�AIRPERSON HUGIIGS DLCLARFD T11P TiINiTTBS APPROVED AS AtSEnDED, APPROVAL OP APRIL 3, 7950, SPECIAI. PARP.S � RTCP.1?!1TIC1N P4E�TING MINUTES: D10TION by Ms. Seager, seconded b�- ?fr. Ko�idrick, to approve the Special April 3, 19�0,� Pzirks & RecreaCiun Cu:nmis:;ion minutes. Ms. Ilubhes stated [h�t on paSe 6, se>..cond p,�rag.aph, second line, the caord, "a�aay"sl�ould be inserted �fCCr "�;iviag chc paric". PARKS b ItECR}iATION_COMMiSSION PSGETING APP,IL 16, 1980 - PAGE 2 Ms..lughes stated that in the motion on page 6 to recocnmend that the CiCy Council pursue r.egotiati.ons with Anoka County to create a Joint Powers �greement for maintenance and operation of Locke Park, the Tree Disease Control Program was listed as a responsibility of the County. She did not think they should give the County the full responsibility of ttie Tree Disease Control Pro�;ram and maybe this should be kept as the responsibility of the City. Dr, Boudreau stated thic conld be discussed under Item A- Possible Joint Powers Agreement with Anoka County - which was under 'bld Business" on the agenda. Ms.Hughes stated the Commission should clarify cvhat they mean by the Tree Disease Control Pr.ograul being conducted by the County. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTII3G AYE, CHAIRPERSON HUGHES DEG7,ARED THE MINUTES APPROVED AS 3MEA'D�D. APPROVAL OF AGENDA; MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded Uy Mr. Kondrick, to approve the agenda with the following changes: Problems aL- Locice Par.k - Tim Turnbull - Item Z Ethnic Festival - Item E under Director's Report Current Soitball Problems - Item F under Director's Report Review of Fee: Sche3ule for Summer Programs - Ttem � under Other Business Discussion on Budget Development for 1981 - Item B under Other Business UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CIIAIRPERSON HUGHES DECLAR�D THE AGENDA APPROVED AS AMENDED. I. PRO�LEriS 4T LOCKE PARK - TIM TURNI3ULL: Dr. Boudreau stated that P1s. Hughes hac3 requested some znformation on the problems at Locke Park artd �ahether the vandalism and problems at Locke Park are as bad as they app.ar to be. Comvissicner Young had also bronght to his attention the fact that at the Saycees Easter Egg Hunt, there was a lot oi broken glass in the parki.ng lot, even though the Parks Department had scaept the parking lot clean on Friday afteraoon. Dr. Boudreau s±ated that Mr. Turnbull cvorks c.�ith the Community Crime Prevention Unit, and lie also works in a lot of the neighborhoods on crime prevention trying t:o solidify the neibhborhoods into a crime prevention-stoppin� force. Mr. Turnbull has goue to s lot ot i.orlc gathering data over the last two years, � not only on how peogle perceive Lncl:e Park as a saie and enjoyable place to recreate, Ui�t al.so ,ome of the ICR's (IniCial. Co�,n;laint Reports) for the ��.Locke Paric area they have��been faced ciith ever the last two years. bls.�Ii�ghes stated there were several. comments�made at the Apri1 3 Special Parks & Recreatior. Commission meeting about Locke Park being a disaster in Cerms oS vandal.ism and crime, and she waanY_ed some documented proof for those Icinds oL Statemencs. PAI2KS t� RT'CRPATIO��T CD:TP'[ISSION t�fliETI?�GiAPRIT 16, 1980 - PAGP 3 Mr. Turnbull passed out a list of"ICP�'s for the Locice Park Area". He stated these were ofLicial calls to the Police Department where police cars responded to the situation. This would not take into account a case of minor vandalism when the police were not called. P4r. Turnbull stated L-ha*_ in the surnmer of 1978 betcaeen the months of April and Augusl, the PuUlic Safety Department conducted a Neighborhood Crime Perception Survey. They t�ained in.tervi.eweis to go into the homes and ask specific questions. It was proUably the most thorough survey in the City of Fridl.ey relative Lo the Police Department and to crime perceptions. They were trying to �atl�er inforniation thai [aould help them in the development of programs in the Police Department and they orerc looking for outside he"tn from the citizens themselves. They surveyed approximately 1,350 people, and it was fairly evenly distributed throughout the City. Many of the people surveyed were not in the area relatively close to Locke Park, and some c�ay have lived right next to Locke Park. Mr. Turnbull showed the Commissioners a map that was developed by the Minnesota Crime Prevention Center for the Fridley Police Department. It divided the city into small grids and determined the level of fear that people have about a specific area in the City of Pridley. In the survey, they had asked people what areas they would avoid because of fear of crime. The map shows ehat the area of Locke Park is the heaviest area indicated by this particular map. He wanted to point out that one of the conclusions they found in their study was that the 1eve1 of fear of crin.e in the City of Fridley was higher than was reasonaUly assumed it caould be. For samc reason, the people in the suUurb of Fridley and ti�e peopl.e in a suburb of Chicago l�ad the same level of fears of crime, fears of personal crime, and areas they avoided. However, the area in CLicago had a much higher rate of crime than the City of Fridley. One of the things they try to do in their Crime Preveniion Program is bring the perspec- tive of crime in the community into a proper focus. So, he did not want to mislead peop7.e by this e�ap. Mr. Turnbull staY.ed they also asked people if there was an area they avoided because of fe?r of personal crime. These areas ituluded the area around the Pfeadota Run Apartments and the Locke Park area. 13e stated at the time the survey taas Ueing conducted, there �•:as an esCre;nely hig}i rate of burglary in Lhe area of the Mezdooi Run ApartmenLS. They have been worl:ing in Lhat area and have seen a si�nificant drop in the Cype of Uurglaries occurring there. But, Che basic reasons why people are afraid to go in certain areas or. why they have thesc. fears aUout cerCain types of crime was beyond the scope of tlieir survey. Pir. Kondzicic zsked if the Police Department has responded or taken any action based on the information given? � Mr. TurnUull stated the Public Safety llirector, the department heads, and tl�e Gity 4tanag,er �aere a11 informed oi the results of Che survep in general. A planaing Cask forcc r.iade up oF represenLa.t�i.ves of the Police DepartmenC, tlic City Tiana�er's officc, and th� Placming Departmrnt, was brought Logether in thc iniCial sCnges of the Cri!uc Prevenr_ion Program Lor the purpose of PARKS & R7:CREATION COMMISSION MEET�NG APRIL 16, 1980 - PAGE 4 identifying specific types of problems ;znd targeting specific areas to deal with. By targeting specific areas, he meant whether they should target residential, coinnerci�l, or industria� ateas for the anti-crime prngram. The three crimes thought to be oE the most concern by the Police Department based on ICR's were burglary, vandalism, and larceny. The three crimes felt to be the most predalent in the coaununity by the people surveyed were larceny, vandalism, and burglary, in that order. Mr. Turnbull stated the fear level for personal types of crimes and the areas to be avoided most has not been dealt with Chrough his department,.but has been referred elsewhere in the department. It is not a thing that can be dealt with by the strategies developed to date Chrough the Crime Prevention Program, wh3ch deals mainly wi[h property types of crime. Ms. Hughes asked Mr. Turnbull to explain the ICR's. Mr. Turnbull stated that takin9 the last two years, it showed the different types of ordinance violations that have occurred within Locke Park itself. For the last two years, there were 143 calls for service to that area. Their inforu�ation and records indicate that in vandalism cases, only one out of ten times is vandal.ism reported. So additional occurrences may be happening and not bei.ng reported to Yhe Police Department. A4r. Turnbull stated Chat u�hat the patrolmee feel is the situation at Locke Yark, which has a definite besring on the use of the park by people in the conmiunity, is that there are a 7ot of juveniles who use the park for the purpose of a gathering place. They may or may not- be in violation of any of Y.hese particular crimes. But, where you have a lot of youngsters tooether, you have a tendency to find liquor and narcotics violations. Sdhen the poli.ce ccme along, they can be easily seen, and the young people have an opportunity to get the situation in good order by the time the police get there; conse- quently, there map be no arrests. The difficulty is that the paCrolmen have a hard time disbursing these types of people and,this type of activity. Sdhen a family comes into the park, they find a large group o£ juveniles and see the type of activi.ty going on and develop a pict:ure in their minds that ti�i.s is an area where there is a t�igher potential for. some type of trouUle so they tend to avoid the use of the 2rea. Mr, yeung stated 'ne had hear.d the cormient made that the police do not make a xoutine habit of goin.g to Locice .ark Uecause of the problems Lhey encounter. Mr, TurnUull stated that to ans�aer that c rnunent, some of the officers feel tl�ey wnuld prefer to�know that the young pe�oplc are up in Locke Park and are in one place at one L-ime rather L-han have them a11 over tiie community, t+Cr. loung stated t;e has heen in Locke i'ark at 6;00 p.m. for a Cub Scout picaic and-iound it difficult. to find parkin� spaces because the juveniles were all over the parl< glayi.n�; f.rist�ec, usin� alcohoi and offeizsive language. He caondered cahy tlie Poli.ce Depsrtrc�n� did r.oL- come in c•ritli unmariced squad cars. PARKS &):tiCRL'ATIOtQ CONR`7ISSION P1Gr'17T.'G, APRIi� 16, 1980 - PAGE 5 Mr. Turnbt}11 stated thaC if Che Conrmission �vas famiLiar with the patrol system, tlie DeparCment is mandaCed Co have a minimum of four officers to cover the cntire city at one tir�e. There ar.e 22 patrol officers who operate 7 days a caeek, three shiits each day, and cons2quently, they are able to provide that level of minimum coverage. To confront a minimum of 25 persons in Locke Park, an officer is not going to �;o alone in one unmarked squad car. That officer is going to need the cooperationcf most oi the other people on patrol at that time; consequently, he is givinb an area a tremendous priority in an attempt to provide security a;id leaving other areas without that type of cover.age. On occasion, it has Ueen done, but to do it on a regular basis is not a reality. Ms. Hughes stated she wanted to deCeru7ine how big the problem is at Locke Park and cahether it is something they should be dealing with one way or another. Mr. Turnbull stated he felt tbere is a reasoa to be concerned about the types of activities in Locke Park. He did not kno*.a if the Police Department considered it to be the No. 1 priority problem in the cocmunity. Ms. Seeger asked that if the Locke Park area was closed, where wouid these young peoPle go? Do lhey, in facL-, leave the City or de they go to other areas in the CiCy? Mr. TurnUull stated that it was his ex�erience in crime prevention that there is a"ripple affect". l•Then they coork w_ith people in a specific area with the Crime Precention Program to help redvice a type of crime, there is going to be some type of an �ffect �ohereUy the people who were operatin� in a criminal manner ia this area may go to another area. Mr. TurnUull stated they ase planning an additional survey sometime in the future which iaill update this map. Ms. Hughes asked if the Police Department had any plans for dealing wiCh the Locke Park problem? Pfr. Turnbull stated there may be some plans, but he caas not acaare of any. Ms. Huglies mferred to the ICR's for the Locl�e Park Area. She stated Che things she woii7.d consider serious Soere "liqnor", perl�aps "clearing out the areri", 'bandalisei", "suspicious person", "burglary", perhaps "disorderly CORCillCt��� ��ID1IlOT j�OSSC'SS].OR��� ��35S:1Uli:��� dll�i ��V(-'}11C11].:ll C�1Cft�� �7�Rd ��IC1(1- napping" which represeuted about half thc ICP.'s for 1979. Mr. TurnUull stated he wanted to poinr out Chat whether khe situation is a liquor riolation or medical or kidnapping or alarm, it is a call for se.vice iahich means a policeman is 1>eing i.nvolved in an activiCy. As iar as m,an hours and patrol persons on the ror�d, it dousn't matCer what the violation i.s, it is somel-hing tal:iug up the time of a Peliceman and talcing thal poli.ce- man riw,iy from soiue other ama. PARKS & REC}2T:ATIOtd COPP�IISSION MGETING, APRIT `L6� 1980 PAGE 6 Ms. Hughes stat-ed she felt thi.s proUably has some impacC on what the City might want to ask the County in the way of patrol, and this ought to be a factor in how the Comrission looks at that question. There are other things she felt the Conunissi.on should talk aUout such as the park curfews, car� the curfews be enferced, and should they be enforced? Also, she would like to know the officer.-initiated responses versus thc respond-to-calls, particularly in the "Liquor, narcoti.cs or.dinance violations" and 'T1is., puLlic/public assisCance". Mr. Turnbull stated he could provide that information to the Convmission. Ms. Hughes thanked Mr. Turnbull for coming and providing this ir.formation. II. ELECTION OF OFFICERS (Serve 5/1/80-5/1/81): Ms. Hughes deciared the nominations open for chairperson. MOTIOP7 by Mr. Youno, seconded by Ms. Seeger, to nominate Barbara Hughes for chairperson. MOTION by Mr. Kon3rick, seconded by Pir. Young, to close the nominations and cast a unanimous ba2lot for Ms. Hughes for Chairperson of the Parks & Recreation C wmmi�sion. Upoa a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Hughes declared the motion carrie3 unanimous�y. Ms. Hughes declared the nominations open for vice-chairperson. MOTION by P4s. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Allen, to aominate Dave Kondrick for vice-chairperson. PiDTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Ms. Seeger, to close the nominations and cast a ueanimous ballot for I�?r. koncrick for Vice-Chairperaon of the Parks & Recreation Commission. Upon a voice cote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson liughes declared the motion carried unani,nously. III. DIRECTOR'S REPO?2T: A. Report on Cit}>/School Meeting Dr. Boudreau stated the City/School meeting �Jas held April 15 at 4:00 p.m. at Pulaski's. About 14 people �•rere present, representing about 50/50 frem school adminstrati.on and City School Board and city administration. Mr. Rondri_ck of tt:e Parks & RecreaCion Comnission, three City Cnuncil members, and Ruth .Rmn irom the P'ridley Sun were also present. Dr. 13oudreau stated thcre were three it_ems on the agenda: (1) a request Lor a swruner Iaci7.ity use, wliicl: had already been approved thlt after- noon; (7_) inteigovernmcntal cooper.ation, which Le3d to-a lengthy discussion ac.d tied in witl� itern (3) ccr,ne�unications Uctween tlie School PAkRS & RECRPATION CO:�SFIISSION PP:PTIP1; APRIL 16, 7.980 - PAGE 7 District and the City people. In summary, the two topics really came down to-should or is there an estlbli.slled policy Chat says the City wi11 pay "x" amoimt of dollars for use of school facilities to operaCc programs? Si.nce it was just an open staff/council/board meeting, not a decision-making meeting, nothing was resolved except for the fact that Tom Pfyhra is supposed tv send the City Council a copy of Che school policy on use of school facilities to better educate the City Council memUers on �ahaC policies they have in. existence. The door was left open that if the CiCy objects to one or some of Chese policies, ther.e is a proper channel for appearing Uefore the Board of Education to state thal' opposition. Dr. Boudreau stated there is going to be another City/School meeeing in early June. He and rir. �tyhra will be setting up a time for further discussion of the same proUlems. He stated that notices of this meeting will be sent to the Commission members. B. Vi�itation to other Recreation Facilities Dr. Boudreau distributed so:ne information on the Brooklyn Center recreational facility. IIe stated that St. Louis Yark did not distri- buteany inforrr�ation. Iie stated these tours were verp interestiag, and he would be schedulina a trip to the Rocheste.r recreational facility sometime in May. The Commission members tenT_atively set Saturday, May 10, for the trip to Rochester. Dr. Boudreau sCated he would see what arrangements could be made and would get back to the Cammission. C. GroundbrcaYing at North Parlc Pr. Boudreau state:d that the f;roundUreal:ing at North Park caas held last Saturday. There coere about 120 pcople present. The construction people will start: the actual digging on Thursday. At the groundbreaking ceremony, Siah St. Clair, Diane Valen, and Anr. Burnes of the Naturalist Division did a super job, alo:iE; ��ith the help of rSs. Aughes on refre�h- m2nts and other volunCeer help. Those people deserve extra special credi.t Lor making the groundbre'aking ceremeny run as smoothlp as iL did. Re staCed they hoPcd the building caill be completed by the end of August or first of SeptemUer. D. Fecreation�NaCural Resource Iearly P.eport Dr. IIoudreau sLate3 the Comsnission had reccived this reporC at the 1asC meetin�. At Lhat mecting, Ms. Hughes had �sked thc Cocsnission m�mbers to 1001: o��er these reports and if thcre �aere any questions, thc� could ask them at the nest mecti.ng. Dr. 73oudreau sLaL-ed he caould be glad Co answer any questions the Commission membcls mig�ht have. The Coi�nissioners did not have any qucsCions. PARl',S & RECR3:ATTON CONL�1IiSI0td 2�Si,P:TING, e\Y;2IL 16, 1980 - PAGE II E, Ethnic Festiv?1 Dr. 13oudreau stated that the Ethnic 1'estipal was held March 29 and again was a very huge suecess. '�'he Parks, Recreation, and Natural Resources Departmerit is cooperating taith the Fridley L'ine Arts and Commtrnity Education in the area o� community arts for tihe City of Fridley. F. Current Softball Problems Dr. Boudreau atated that the fees have been set and and it was suggested that the number of ceams be limited to our leagues. This information was disseminated st the Managers' meetings. Unfortunately, in the managers' manual, L-fley did not clearly state that there o:ould be a limit on the number ot teams and that the returning teams had first priority. S�, on the F'riday of the deadline, about 12 teams of angry people came into the office stati.ng this had never been put into the writing and they hadn'L' gotten the infurmation at the managers' me2tings. Dr. Boudreau st2ted that, consequently, what they have done for this year is accommodate 28 teams p2r ni�nt on the existin� fields. With the 12 teams, because they wanted different nighCS and different leaoues, they can accozmnodate the;n caithout an additioral league; it is a matter of scheduling in a"bye" for at least ±�ao teams every week, So, this probiem has been so?.ved f.or this year. Right' now, there are 108 teams in adult softball for this sur.uner. Dr. Boudreau stateci that early next year, this same thing is going to be brought befor.e tY�e Commission, it is going to Ue put in kriting, and every manager will ba ma3e aware of the rules. iV. CHAIRPF,RSON'S REPORT; A. Problems at Locke P�sk Ms. Hughes stated tizis was discusseo' earlier with Tim Turnbull. Based on Pir. TuraUuZl.'s information, she would like the Commission rmembers to think aUout kilat they zaould like to do to improve the secnrity situatior, in Locke Par.k. This can be discussed again at the next m�.eting. P1s. ftughes stated she had nothing more L-o report. V. NEF� P�USlNESS: A, Ynuth Soccer - La°ry Ilendel Mr, 13endeL thaizkeu the Commission tor letting .zim comc before the Conmii.ssion. I�e sC�ted they offer socc�r from i.nstructional ehrough under 19 years o1�, and i.t i.s a strictly pari.ici.pa�i.on-o�iente<1 sport. Tl�eir basic rule i_s t1iaL' everyor.e. en the.tearn p7.ays at least: hal.f the L'ime. � PARKS & IttiCREATI0IQ COMP'LLSSION M1%1iTING APRIZ� 16, 1.980 - PAG� 9 Mr. Lendel st-aecd he wanted to thank the Parks & Recr.eaCion Department ar.d the City for. L'he impTOVements to the soccex program--the fencing and the nec� sprinkling system nt Locke Fark. He stated Dr. I3oudreau and Nr. Kirk did a grea[ job for the soccer program last year. Because of fooLUall, the Commons field olas unplayable so theie was 12 teams and only the one field at Locke Park. They were able to make a pretty good field at hladsen wiCh one at I3urlington Northern for back- up. He stated Dr. Boudreau came up with the idel of playing on the soccer field north of the Jr. Iligh at Commons, and that gave them the third field for this year. Mr. Bendel handed out a schedule which show�d a recap of the number of teams they wi11 have this year. They have 322 children signed up--15 teams not counting instructional. Last year 271 children were signed up. He stated that he would like te reach an a�reement on referees and fees with the City. On the schedule, it �,as psoposed that the Gity pick up the referees fees again as in the past. In doing this, he a5sumed that a house league fee for a gar.ie caould be $7. i;sing that base, any time they had to p�y more than $7, the PYSA-Soccer �aould pay the difference. The fu11 fee is paid for by tl�e City thr.ough a coiztr�.ct system, and the FYSA-Soccer pays what it owes at the end oi the year. With the nec, field north of the Jr. Iiigi�, they are also requesting t:Lat the C�.ty split the cost oi ne�a soecer goals, $250. So, the proposed 19£?0 City funding for the soccer pr.og.ram is $754. Dr. Boudreau stated that last year the Parks & Recreation Commission vot.ed unanimously to p?y up to $700 to the rYSA-Soccer program. This would be an increase oI $54 at the mosL'. MOTION by t,Sr. Young, seconded by I�Sr. Kondrick, to approve up to 554, in addition to the $;00 alrendy approvcd Uy the Parks & Recreation Commission, to be used for the 19t30 FYS[i-Soccer Program. Upon a voice vo''e, all voting aye, Chairperson fIughes declared the motion carried unanimously. tlr. Bendel stated the Soccer program has a girls team this year listed in the "under 14" age bracket. In the other ages, 10-12, the boys �nd girls play together. Ms. I�ug:�es asked I°Ir. Bendel ho�a c,ell they monitored and how good *_hc coaches caere in carryina out tl.� instructional pl�il.osophy and maki.ng surc the children play an approuriate amount and if the emphasis is on playing rather th:�n �oinnin�;. P1r. Bendel stated the}' do a very good job. Participation is theix• philosuphy and they have had no complaints in that regard. Pis. Hu�hes thmiked rlr. Bendel Ler coming to the raeeting. Dr. T�oucireau stated [haC T1r. ICirl: has set up a vol.unteer coaching cliuic on �pril '_2 tl:at tliey tiziiilc wi17. Le well atteuded and caill give them an opportunity to share philosophies with Che valuncecr coaches. He iuviCed tLe Cninmission mcmbctis to stop by and visit thc clinic. PARRS & RECREATIOTd CONLrfISSI0P7 P1I3ETING, AYRIL 16, 1980 - PAGE 10 B. P'uture Direction of tne Parks & Recreation De artment (Popul.ation Projections) Ms. Ilughes stated she felt the direction of t=he Parks & Recreation Department depends a great deal on cahaf facilities th'ey have and the population in the cenGnuni.ty. That is the reason the Commissioners had received.an outline of the school census, "Enrollment History atid Projections through 198"/-88". This would give_them an idea of what the school has i.n the way of census projections through 1985, based on people already Uorn through 1978. There was a bi� drop in kinder- garten through 6 age group with sn:alier drops in the Jr. & Sr. high school. Ms. Hughes asked if Dr. Boudreau was able to 3o smne Cype of census analysis re�arding recreation. Dr. Boudreau stated they work very closely with .he Planning Depart- ment in gathering thi.s type oi data, through the Police Dzpartment, and they get a lot of feedback from the neighbar.hood people themselves. As far as looking an.d trying to nreciict from ptedictions or statistics, he did not pay much attent-ion to Chem, because all that tells him is tnat the chan�;e i.s going to Ue from a younger age participant to an older age parr.icipant who mioht be participar.ing more. He feels it is a misconception to tie �-ecrea*ion to children. Recreation i.s for � everyone. Granted, the enr.ollment is going to drop and it may aLfect the playground programs and the after-sr_hcol programs, but it may call fer additional services in a differenL age bracket and different types of pto�ramming, which might utilize the same facili.ties being released because they don't have the after-school pxograms. Ms. Hu�hes asked wher.e Dr. Boudreau got that information and how do they use the projections, because she was hoping the City would make those projections and not just pla2 for t:his year on The basis of last year. Dr. Bcudreau state�l they got that information f'rom the Planning Department who did the ReighUorhood Planning Studies about three years ago, from the school popuI.ation statistics, from the Police Department statistics, irom evaLuatien of on-going programs, and irom citizens who a:e participatir.g. T}iey can also re4ch s�me conclusions from the trial prc�rar�s they ofier. i�is. Hughes asked Dr. P�oudreau i.f he had any feelings on what is going to happen in tl�e surcner pia}�ground pro�rams cr in the FYSA? Dr. Boudreau stated lie tliought the number.s of c?�ildren will continue to ciecline in thal ��ne group, Ueca�se the a<�c populati_on is dec2ining. lie thonRht the eiaph�sis eP those programs will scoitch. Other factnrs are the gas.criulch and-Lhe energy shortage. He thought many thiugs _. . �ai11 t.euch on wh�:t i.s goi.n� to Le the recrcation pattcrn of these - age f;roups in �hc ne�;ti 5-I.0 years, biit hc dicl noi thiulc tltey could predicC that yet. � PARKS & RtiCREAT7014 COI�7PIISSION �il.E'i'ING, APRZL 16, ].9f30 - PAGE 11 Ms. liughes stated Lhe population factor should have some impact on the covununiCy park in terms of whaL- shoul.d be in that park. Mr. AL1en stated he felt that in the future, we are going to see parks become what they originally e�ere in small towns, more and more of a gathering place, because pcople are going to find it harder to get out of town. And, he tl�ought you iaeuld have a].ot more people giving input who never cared Uefore. What those people are going to want is hard to foresee ri�ht now. Mr. Kondrick stated he thought what Ms. Hughes was saying was thaC as Commission members, they sheuld Ue constantly aware that ages are changing in the cor,�unity and pertiaps there is a shift from the younger to the oldex ages. ^lhey have to be careful with seme of the programs they endorse, and they should encourage Dr. Boudreau to pursue those programs those people wi11 want to have. Ms. Hughes stated that one of the reasons for havin� these statistics is to show them what is happenino and not make assumptions. Dr. Boudreau stated that anotl�er positive is thac the size of tridley at 33,000 people is small encugh that it is a great advantage for himself, staff, and the Coi:imission to get pretty «e11 attuned to the community's needs. He has fou^d that Lhe people of Fricll�y are ver}� vocal when it comes to their recreation neecis. Ms. Iiughes stated that the Commission members sliould keep track of the population statistics and iL Y.he-y or Dr. Boudreau run across any ottier clenographics for tiie Citp that would help in planning �oY the community, they sl�ould bring them in. C. Thank You Yetition Dr. Boudreau stated this petition had gone to City Council. It was for the Commission's information and should be received into the xecord. MOTION by P1s. Seeger, seconded by P;r. Young, to recei.ve the "Thank You Petition" �ahich thanked Chuck Poudre:�u'Yor his cooperati.on and under- standino in the alincation oL ilanncr}� Parlc--and look forward to upgrading of Pladsen for neighbot]lood usaoe." Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson E�ughes deciared the motioa carried unanimously. D. Softball 7buniameizt Request Dr. Boudreau stated there h�as bcen a r�q�est by Fridley Covenant Church for a sofCUall tourn:nnent' at Commons on Sat., ,Tuly 12. He stated this is on� of the tournamenCs Ll�at has been granL'ed ia the past. Fridley Covenant coonerates ver} caell wiCh the GiCy, and he would reco-�im�end that this icquest be granted. PARY.S & RI:CREATIGN COI�:M�S;ION NIEETING. APRIL 16, 1980 - PAGE 12 t40TI0N Uy Ms. Seeger, secondcd Uy Mr. Allen, to approve the request by Fridl.ey Cwenanl- Church for a softball tournament on Sat., Ju1y 12. Upon a voice voCe, all voting aye, Chairperson tlughes declared the moti_on carri.ed unanimouslv. E. Proposed 33ikeway Addi_tion Ur. Boudreau stated this was for the Commission's information also. The Commissioners had received a map which outlines a proposed bikeway connection from Mi.ssissippi St. to o9th Ave. to Lie in wiLh the eastf west bikeway trail an3 tiie existing bike trail within the City. MnDOT has made bikeway �rants available to help improve bikeway systems within cities. The City has sent in a prelimination application to NhiDO'P fer grant mcn:.es to complete that one-mile strip. MOTiON by Mr. Ycung, seconded Uy Mr. Kondrick, to receive into the record the maps and information regarding the proposed bikeway. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chaisperson Hughes declared the motion carried unar.imously. _ I1�. OLD BUSInF.SS; A. Possible SoitiC Powers;Agieement wi.th Anoka CounY_y Dr. Boudreau stated *_hat since the April 3 Sperial Parks & Recreation ... Commission meeting, a proposed draft oi the Joint Powers Agzeement has been dracm up coveri.ng those items disc:ussed at the last meeting �.�ith Anoka County. Ms.Nudt�es had indicaCed earlier in the meeting that the Com�ni.ssion shoui.d di_scuss whether or not the Tree Disease Control Program ehould be a responsibility of the County. Dr. Tsoudreau stated Lhat Mr. Qureshi had explained at the April 3 meetino that i.he Cit>> presently tzas a$50,000 liability by maintaining these parks, ��ut as iT is writtett in the Ahreement, tne City has no znCenti.en nf giva.ng L'he County anything bat maintenance and operatiott of thn.^,e area>. They are looking at Uew they can realize a savings . by allowin� thE: County to maintain the areac marlced "City of Fridley Lockr Yark" or. whatever. That money caan th��n be sho�,m as a savings and can either Ue used in the neighborhood parks or there is some justifi- cation to say tUey ha��e funds to use in naintaining North Park. That �aas his intcrpretati.on of what P1r. Qureshi v�eant--a �aay Mr. Qureshi can jnstify to the City Council that t::e City lias some funds that can Ue spen.L in oLher areas. Dr. Boudreau 5Y_ated that rigltt now there ate no funds carmari;ed for maintenancc: of Nor.th Park. Ms. Hughes stated LLat she objected [o the "FTE1tiRPnS, the greatest numbcr ot users�of this faci"Li[y come from ou.tsi_de the City aad are resident:s ot the CounY.y," ThaC has.no bcaiing on who owas the park, who maintains it, or who pays for i_t, unless they are going to loolc ac users' Lees for r�ie parlcs. PARKS F� RECREA'CIQN COt�'f�`4ISSIQN ME[STING, APRIIi _16, 1980 - PAGE 13 The Commission made the follo�ving changes lo III. A, County Responsi6ilities (page 2-3): 1. 2 3 4 To provide maintenance routi_nelg on a schedule of grounds, buildin�s and picnic sh�lters. To provide maititenance routinely on a schedule of trails and parking lo�s. Same To provide effective tree disease control program in concurrence with City ef Fridley tree inspector. 5. Same 6. Same 7. Same 8. Same 9. Same add 10. The County and City to have an annual meeting in order to review, preview, and approve a11 plans, work programs, and developments. The Commission made the follo��ing addition to III. B. City Responsibilities (page 4): add 4. The City and County to have an annual meeting ia order to review, previe�a, and approve a11 plans, caork programs, and developments. P1s. Hughes referred to VZl. Police and Fire Protecti_on, paragraph 1, page 5. She stated she thougl�t the idea of the Joint Powers f�greement �aas to have the Cour.tq Park Patrol do a11 the patrolling and thus relieve the Fridlcy police. Dr. P�oudreau stated this is a City of Pridley parlc, the Ci_ty owns thc land, au3 the t�orr.�,al police protection for Chat area counled with the County ^ark Patrol would provide the ciegree of safet}� and security needed for th2 users of that par�c. The Co�mty Park PaCro1 has no police potaers, so the City pol.ice powers mu.st sti11 be in force. Ms. Seeger stated tl�at wLen Friuley residents have a complaint about �ah.it is going on in Che park, at cahat lc��el would the residents ae�ke that complaint lm own? Dr. Bondreau sL'ated that the residents would ccme to the City. That is cahat a joint power& agreenient means. It is a joint venture between the CiLy and the Coimty. The citizun's coi�plaint �vould get ansc,emd through city administrati.un. Ms. llughes st:ited sl�e �.t�uld Li1cc to �»alce sare Llint someone in the GiCy. reads Che purch:�sc n;recn:cuC c��ith Locice Pa�k to malce suie that the City of Fridlcy can e��en enter into th:is lcind os operational agreement. Afs. Seegcr stated she ,nlso tl'iouglit Chat if Ytie CiLy i.s gcing to previde poli.ce and fire proCectio.i, the County sliould Ue requcsted to pay for pnrt oi th.�t cost. rArscs & RLCRrn2zo;v co���risszorr r�rz�zn�c nrrlL 16 i�ao - Qncr 14 __' _'._-"_'__ i�._ � 3 bi0TI0N by P-lr. I:ondrick, seconded by t1r to Y.he Joiut .?owers A�recment be consi You��hat Yhe following� red by City Council and Ci Administration: ITI. A. Coun� ResFonsiUi.liLics: 1. To provide maintenance rout_ 2. To riely on a schedule of c shelters. de maintenance routine7.y ou a schedule of 4. To provide effe�Y_ive t-rec� disease contro: program in concurrence with City of Pridle�tree in�ector. Add-10. The Cocncy and City to havc �n annua7. meeti.ng in order � to re.vieca, preview and app?-ove alI plans, work programs, and devclopments. III. $. City Responsibiliti_es: Add- 4�Tlze City and Coanty to have an annuaZ meeting in order to re�>iew, preview, and appr.ovc all plans, work nroerams UPOId A VOICE YOTE, GT.L VOTII�TG AS'E, CHAIRPERSOriT $LiGHES DECLARED THl MOTION CARRIGD UNAIQZt�10USLX. Status of Communitp par': P1an llr. 3oudreau ;tated rLat at this time t:h�y are out loolcing for volunCeer help as President Cast'er has suggested a free�2 on all LAWCON fmids. The City saas in the ftinal petition stage for $1u6,000 in LAWCON fm:ds. So, they do nr�t know where that is at n.ow until Congress acLS on it. The City is trying to accomplish the task by contacting the Corp of Eagineers, the SeaUees, anyone else who rnight be able to get the initial grading done and some of the other pro�ects that need to be dene. Dr. P,�udreau stated that at the last L�e�tinfi, Ms. Aughes had requested the �omplece i.nfor*aation on the ccnmirnity parlc plan and the complete LAWCON grant, and t:his iniormation had be�n sent to the Cov*i.Tnissior,ers, Ms. Hughes asl:ed the Couur.issioners to review this information MOTION �ay Ti.s..Seeger, secon.ded by Mr. Young, to continue discussiou on the Status of thc Co;:cr.uxiity °ark Plan at: another meeting. Upon a voice voCC, a11 votin� aye, Cl�aii'Fersoi. &izghes declareci t1�e moti.on carried unanir�ieusl.��. V. OTFIER 13[15INESS; A. Review of Fee Schedule for Summer Programs Dr. Eoudreau ^tated they c��ere iu the s�idst of putting together their sunune. prog�r�an: broc.hure. I-ie state� �he �t.ould read tlie list of programs and F�es to Clie Coiva�issicc for Cheir concurreac�. The fces are based on Cl;e assii;��pLion i_`tiat tLey �try to keep Che. fees as ].o�•� as possible to the res.'tdait[s oi Fhe City to encow:age participatiou and Co make PARY.S & R�CREATION CONR�SISSION h1E�'P1NG APRIL 16, 1980 - PAGE 15 sute they do not disallow semeone from parlicipating because that person cannot pay the fce. They also have a waiver of fees policy for those who have financial problerns and that is listed on all the brochures. Program Picnic Kits Swim-&-Stay Fit T-Ball Youth gymnastics Jr. & Sr. Hi gymnastics Adult golf louth golf Adult tennis league Adult tennis Youth tennis Playgrounds Tiny Tots PI'1'S Movies under the Slazs New Pro,rams Basic �aeight training & conditioning Girls vollcyball clinic Sr. gi.rls Girls volle}�ball clinic 3r. girls Youth wrestling Youth �•.�'esCling clinic ,Tr. youth for for for Pees from $10 to $15/weekend from $5 to $10 from $6 to $9 $14 (same) from $18 to $ZO from $10 [o $12 from $10 to $12 from $3/season to $4/season from $12 to $14/6 sessions from $10 to $12/6 sessions from $8 to $12(7 e.eeks from $3.50 to $5.00/7 weeks Free Free $12/o sessions $15/8 classes $10/5 classes $10/5 classes $5(5 classes Dr. boudreau stat:ed that most of these activities have gone up a mini��m of $2 and. most �f the increases are ciue to the increaszd cost of hiring iiistiuctors. Thcy stili feel they are holding the - prices for participation at about $1.50-$2.00 per session. Mr. Young askEd iL any considera'�ion lia� been given to a reduced fee based ou the numUer of children in a family. Dr. Boudreaii stat'ed that in thc playgr�und pro�ram, the maximum any family caculd pay is $24. PSOTIO` b)� Pfs. Seegez, seconded Uy i�ir. �a11en, to approve Lhe new fee schedule fur the 1430 suminer pxrograms. Upou a voice vote, all voting aye, Chz3irpersori iIuglies dcclared the motion carried unanimously. 73, Discussien on L'�udret Develop�nen� for i_181 py, J3oudLenu s[ated tie ha1 receivcd the budget msterial from Lhe City Af:�nager. '1'h.e Uudget scl:c.«ule is that Parks & I:ecree{tion is supposcd Co go t:o City Coiulcii in J mie �oith a preiiminnry budget PARP.S & RIiCIZEAi'IOId CONLMI5SZON MliETING�APRIL 16, 1980 - PAGE 16 proposal. Between now aud T.he P1a� 14 meeting, he would like the Commissi.on members to be thinkin� in terrns of some of the improvemenLs they ��ould like to see in the capital f.und and also in the fee structures and progr.arrnning for next year. Ii the Commissioners had any ideas, he would appreciate that information as soon as possible. Dr. Boudreau stated the Commissi.o�ters had received a copy of Section 6.11 of the City Ordinance, which ouL-lines the purpose for the Commission. This had been requested by Ms, Huglies. Ms. Huohes stated r.hat if the Come:ission is going to be talking about capital improvements in the park system, they ought.to review uzhat they already have and. what improvements are anticipaLed for the next budget. Dr. Boudreau stated he would mail out a list of a11 capital funds ior 1980. P4s. Hughes stated that one of the �najor improvemen*_s should be the inside of the North Park Nature Ceater Building, they should be looking at ittexpensive Chis,gs to c^ake the Sears property usable depending on the LAIdCON fund situation, and they ought to be looking at improvements within tlie neighborhoods. C. Receive Letter fro;n Connie Metcalf ifOTION by iis, Seeger, secondeu by i°4r. Rondricic, to r.eceive a letter from Connie Metcalf in which �1s. I°Ietcalf Lalks�about the Sears property and the need fer more tenui.s courts. Upon a voice vote, a ll_ voting aye, Chairperson I�ughes declared the mction carried unanimously. D. Reco�;nition of Yast Coumii_ssion Member, Bettv hlech P?OTION by P4s. Seeg�:r, seconded by I�ir. Kondricic, to recognize tiie out- sYanding service g;.ven by �.etty Mech te the Parlcs & Fecreati_on Commission and to thank her for her. many valuaUle centriUutioas. Upon a voice vote, alI veting aye, Chairperson liughes declareu tLz matio+_Z carried unanimously. E, Bid Doc�_�ment's and Ghanges made to Sprin�;Urook Nature Center Buil.ding rI0TI0N Uy ris. Seeger, seconded Uy t4r. Allen, to receive ir.to tl�e record the Uid documents zi.ci char.ges made L'o the Spri.ngbroolc Nature Center Bui_ldi.ng. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Ciiairperson ftughes declared tl�e motion carr.ied unanimously. � PARI:S b: RtiCRlA7'ION COMMISSZQh N1PJ�7_t7C: APRIL 16, t9£�0 - PA�� 17 . , �, ------ —'------._,._. ADJOURTIt�NT : MOTION hy Ms. Seegei, seconded by t�ir. Kondr'i�'�ic, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Ch2irperson nu�hes declared the April 16, 1980, Pari:s & Recreatioa Commis:,ion m�eting adjourned aC 11:45 p.m. Respectfully submitt-ed, �% r;,,;;'. /f,ii ,�-f't. Lynn2 Saba Recozding Secretary BNEitGY CO:�t�iIISSION MEETING AYRIL 22, 1980 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Wharton called the April 22, 1980, Energy Commissioit meeting to order at 7:38 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Bill Wharton, Dean Saba, Serry Cichosz, Giles McConville, Don Wall (arrived 8:08 p.m.) Members Absent: None Others Present; Mary Cayan, Human Services Assistane & Housing Specialist John Flora, Public Works Director William Davis, Metropolitan Energy Coordinator, Minnesota Energy Agency APPROVAL OF MAKCH 27; 1980 ENERGY CCA�fI�IISSION MINUPES: - - MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Cichosz, to approve the March 27, 1980, Energy Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Wharton declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. PRESENTATION BY WILLIAM DAVIS OF THE MIN;IESOTA ENERGY AGENCY: Mr. Davis stated that before the meeting, he had the opportunity Co review the City's Comprehensive P1an. He noticed there were things about energy mentioned in the Comprehensive Plan, which was fairly unique within the metropolitan area. He has beer. working with Pietropolitan Council to socne extent in trying to geG other cammunities involved in energy activities, but they haven't gotten the type of response they would like. However, there were very encouraging signs in Fridley and various other communities that are taking progressive steps in starting to develop the leadership that is needed to deal with energy problems these coumunities will be confronted with. Mr. Davis stated that one of the things they are basically interested in at the Minnesota Energy Agency is developing local capability and capacity within a community and giving local representatives the necessary information and data to enable. them to make meaningful decisions regarding energy activi.ties. They see this as being a very crucial issue in the future, especially to communities on the fringes of the downtown metropolitan area. As the price of gasoline goes up and with the continuation of the escalating infla[ion xate, these things are going to impact communities who rely on the metropolitan areas for employment. . .•�,,.. ENERGY CONAIISSION MEETIR'G APRIL 22, 1980 YAGE 2 Mr. Davis stated the Minnesota Energy Agency has put'together a handbook entitled "Local Energy Awareness Aandbook, Volumes 1& 2", which they were giving to organized groups and cammissions. This handbook is basically an outline or resource booklet they feel will get a committee or commission ataxted, giving them the necessary tools to start developing various acti- vities and projects within their community. Some of the things they try to address are projects that- caa be undertaken by community groups or energy covmiissions, they look into residential schools, commercial,utility and city government, and give case studies of what has been done in other co�unitie�. He stated-the information and things Fridley has done has been circulated to other communities as well, so Fridley, in a sense, has become a model for other communities around the state.' He stated he is interested in seeing that type of exchan�e of ideas and concepts because that is important to try and minimize threshold problems. Mr. Davis sxated he hoped one of the charges of the Commission was to get reliable and credible information,to the citizens. They find people.are a 1ittle reluctant to come to the state office to get information or get assistance, but people feel a little more comfortable coming to local resources, groups,atd agencies to get information and assistance. In addit3on, no one knows the co�unity better than local people, and the Minnesota Energy Agency feels that is where it should staXt, He stated they feel this hand- book 3s a goal start is that direction. Mr. Davis stated he also had a handbook or resource guide entitled, "Energy-- A Guide of Information Resources in Minnesota" put together by the League of Women Voters. He stated this book might be helpful to people in the community who may be interested in energy information on resources around the state. The Conmmission may want to share this handbook with the local library. He stated he would leave two copies. with the Co�ission. . MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. McConville, to receive into the record the "Loca1 Energy Awareness Handbook, Volumes 1& 2" and two copies o£ "Energy-- A Guide of Information Resources in Minnesota". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Wharton declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Davis stated that even though they are seeing transportation and gasoline consumption taper off, they are in the process of holding hearings around the state. They will also be taking written comments from the public. What the Minnesota Energy Agency is proposing is some emergency rules in the event we do experience a shortage. They are not suggesting that everything listed will be implemented, but simply asking for Feople to respond to the list of ideas and recommendations. Some of the items are getting more re3ponse than others. Mr. Davis stated that things are ooing to start ca*_ching up with us, people are going to have to start making some modifications in their lifestyles, and people will be looking to the Energy Commission to be prepared to address the questions, the inquiries, and the skepticism. The citizens will be looking for credible and viable information and resources on where to go to ENERGY CONIMISSION MEETING APRZL 22, 1980 PAGE 3 get that information. So, the Cou¢nission has the responsibility to get the City on the right track to make sure the City is doing all it can to project a real positive image in the community. People will be louking to the city for examples, and the City cannot tell the people to conserve if the City is not doing it. There are a number of peopLe who simply do not feel there is a genuine energy crisis or genuine energy problem. They feel that technology will bail us out and a11 we have to do is raise the prices and everything will level off. No one really knows how much energy we have left. The message that has to be gotten out to the people in the community is that they need to use energy more efficiently, People think "conservation" is a step backwards, but it really means more efficLent use. Mr. Saba asked why more emphasis wasn't put on the benefits of using reduced amounts of energy and services, rather than go�ds? More emphasis should be put on the enjoyment of families and enjoyment of the co�unity. Less emphasis should be put on having to sacrifice. Mr. Davis stated that was a good question and maybe part of the problem is that the United States has artificially low prices to begin with. Other countries are paying $2-3 per liter for gasoline, but their automobiles are far more efficient than ours. He stated the United States constitutes 6% of the world's population but consumes 30'/, of the world's energy output. The United States is viewed by other countrie� as energy gluttons. He stated that the United States really does not have a meaningful energy policy either on the federal level or the state level. Mr. Wharton stated that last Sunday, there was an article in the Minneapolis Star & Tribune about the "house doctor" concept. Was this something the Minnesota Energy Agency was fostering, was it something the Energy Commission should be giving impetus to, who were the�e house doctors and wl:at liability did they have? Mr. Davis stated he did not see the article, but he did see the house doctors on a special energy program on TV 3-4 months ago. That is where the Chairperson of the Energy Coam�ission of Minneapolis saw them and invited them to MinneapoLis. What the house doctors were doing was basically providing home energy audits. He stated he thought the house doctor program cwld be adapted in many differ- ent ways. Each co�unity would probably approach it a little differently, but the basic concept would be the same--getting into a person's home, explaining the "do's" and "don'ts" about energy, and try to point that person in the right direction.. Tt�e liability question, of course, would be foremost in his thinking. You only want to give the homeownersenough information to get them pointed in the right direction and, hopefully, they can take it from there. The covv�unity might want to feed those individuals into some kind of cooperative approach of buying and contracting for services, having several people who are all interested in having their attics insulated who could approach a contractor collectively and geC a lower price by using that approach. He stated they have found it is a viable approach for senior citizens and single family homes. � ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING� APRIL 22, 1980 PAGE 4 Mr. Davis stated again that getting energy information to the citizens is part of the role of the Energy Coa�ission, maybe by having energy fairs, symposiums or workshops that the public may be inr.erested in to get people together to talk about their energy problems. He stated that Menards and Knox Lumber have been very instrumental in having "how-do" seminars and workshops, and the Commission might want to Iook into the possibility of asking Menards and/or Knox Lumber to put on s�e type of workshop or energy fair. Mr. Davis stated that Fridiey also has a Crime Prevention Program where they already have a network set up with block captains. These block captains could also feed information on energy, besides crime. He stated the Minnesota Energy Agency is in the process of putting together the "Metro Plan" on how they plan on working with coonnunities in the future, and the concept of Operation I.D. and Crime Prevention is one of the things they will be suggesting. Mr. Saba stated that the Governor had whittled down a bill which would allow tax credits for energy improvements. Does the Governor really recog- nize there is an energy crisis? Mr. Davis stated the Minnesota Energy Agency did not get all the bills ehey had asked for, but they did �et a number of them: One bill that will pertain to commissions such as the Fridley Energy Commission is a bill which will give the Minnesota Energy Agency $1.2 million in planning money to be given to Zocal energy commissions. One of the things they had heard around the state was that energy c�mmissions needed planning money. He stated that they will first have to hire a planner to put together the rules for that money, but by fall, they wi11 probably start receiving RFP's (request for proposals) for that money. The Fridley Energy Covm�ission has an advantage in that it is already an established commission, and that wi11 be one of the criteria the Minnesota Energy Agency wi11 be using. Co�unities will be submitting proposals to the Minnesota Energy Agency telling basically what they plan to do with the money, how it will save energy, and how it is going to impact their community. The Minnesota Energy Agency wi11 be putting emphasis on maybe hiring a part-time energy coordinator, as they recognize that is a very big concern in a number of communities where there is no money to hire staff to work with the commissions. He stated the Commission should keep this in mind, and he would keep them posted as this activity develops so they wi11 be aware of the timing. Mr. Saba stated tliat he thought one of the big reasons the proposed energy policy for the City of Fridley has not yet been adopted by the City Council is because it does suggest that the City hire an energy coordinator. He stated one of his concerns was how can they convince people to make expendi- tures for energy when loan rates are at 1�? Mr. Davis stated thexe have been loans available for moderate income home owners from the Minneso[a Housing Finance Agency. He stated it is the general feeling that it is cheaper to insulate than to pay for oil, and they �a:� ENERGY CQI�fISSION MEETING, APRZL 22, 1980 PAGE 5 feel that the investment you make yov can recoup in a 5-year period an� it is a continuous savings from there on out. The problem is there isn't a large enough incentive right now to do that type of thing for the average homeowner. He stated the Co�ission might want to contact the Minnesota Housing Finance Agency to see what grants are available. Mr. Wharton stated there has been a lot of discussion about the question of solar rights. He was wondering if the Minnesota Energy Agency or anyone in the State has done anything in that regard and is it something Fridley should be concerned abouC? � Mr. Davis stated Che solar right issue is a concern. He stated that enabling legislation has been passed to give cities and Soca1 uniCS of government the option of setting up solar easement rights. The City of Minneapolis has addressed this issue, they have had several public hearings, and the Metro- politan Council has also put together a model ordinance. Jim Uttley, tl:e energy representative at the Metropolitan Council, has a copy of that model ordinance and the Commission could contact him to obtain a copy of that ordinance. It is something Fridley can start considering. As the solar interesC picks up and as people are interested in alternatives and stsrt approaching the city offices for perntits to construct these units, the City has to be in the position to protect those individuals. :1r. Wa71 asked if there has been any analysis done on what is the problem and where is the problem in terms of enexgy? In problem solving, what should they be going after? Is anyone in the Minnesota Energy Agency setting priorities or is anyone at the national level setting priorities? Mr. Davis stated that with regard to the Minnesota Energy Agency, they are required by law Yo provide a biennial report for the legislators. This report should be out in a couple of weeks. This report forecasts the energy supply and demand in Minnesota and, from that forecasti.ng, they come up with some sort of priozities. He stated Pridley was on Che mailing list so they would receive a copy of this report. Mr, Saba asked if the Minnesota Energy Agency was doing anything to promote smaller hydro-electric plants? Mr. Davis state3 they are trying to strengthen Cheir Alteraatives Department. Fox a number of years, they have not been focusing too heavily ir� that area. They have now been authorized to open up a bio-mass center at the Agency,and they have also been authorized to look more closely into peat and cattails as alternatives. They are delving into some more local types of alternatives so they won't have to be so dependent on other cit'ies, states, and countries. Mr, Wharton asked Mr. Aavis if he could give them some advice on what they should be focusing on as a young cammission. Mr. Davis staCed they already had their initial policy statenent for the City. What is important right now is meeting and exchanging ideas on what should be taking place in the city and then start categorizing those ideas ENERGY COP4�SISSION MEETIPIG APRZL 22 1980 PAGE 6 into some type of priority list, a list of goals they feel are realistic and viable and that could be adapted in the community. The thing the Minnesota Energy Agency has found to be most effective is the establishment of the Co�ission in the community, making its programs visible in the community, so the citizens know of its existence. The Commission might want to set up an infox�ation center and make that information available to the public. The Commission might want to set up an information hotline at City Hall, if for no other reason than to refer people to the Minnesota Energy Agency. These are all steps in the right direction. Mr. Saba asked how far in advance should the Commission make plans if they wanted to set up an energy fair? Mr. Davis stated they should give themselves ample lead time, and a goal timeframe is between 4-6 months. The best time of year to have an energy symposium or energy fair is the months of September-October. A date should be selected far enough in advance to avoid conflicts with other groups and so it can become common lmowledge in the community and people can gear up for it. These energy fairs have been fairly effortless, but effective means of getting the word out to the cou�unities. Mr. Wharton thanked Mr. Davis for coming to the meeting and sharing this information with the Commission. Mr. Wharton suggested that maybe the Cammission should start some kind of library record for checking out energy resources and materials. Ms. Cayan stated she could keep all the materials in the Planning Department. She stated the Commission may want to consider having these resources available at the library where the information would be more accessible. N1r. Saba stated he saw a need for two things--a resource library for the Commission members attd a resource library for the public. Maybe it would be a good idea to encourage the Fridley library to have a section on energy resources. Ms. Cayan stated she would like to take this opportunity to introduce John Flora, the City's new Public Works Director. Mr. Flora stated he was visiting the various citizen co�nissions to see what they are doing and become more familiar with their operation. Mr, Wharton stated the Energy Commission was always open to suggestions and input. 2. DISCUSSION OF INFORMATION PACKETS FROM NORTHERN STATES POWER: The Ccmmissioners agreed that before discussing this any further, they would like to have Warren Johnson or a repres.entative from NSP come before the Commission to discuss this with the Commission members. �i ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 22, 1980 PAGE 7 Ms. Cayan stated she would try to arrange for a representative from NSP to be at the next Eners}r Comnission meeting. 3. DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED ENERGY POLICY FOR THE CITY OF FRIDLEY: Mr. Saba stated that the status of the energy policy was the same as it was after the Energy Project Co�ittee first proposed it. The City Council has only briefly looked at it, and he is a little upset that it has not been at least discussed more thoronghly. The City Council has expressed a desire to meet with the different commissions, and one of the things they want to talk about with the Energy Commission is the �roposed energy policy. Mr. Wharton stated that Mr. Davis had talked about the availability of planning money in the fall, and the Coum�ission would need to have plans made before they could submit an RFP (request for proposal). . Mr. Saba stated he would like to see this policy adopted as soon as possible, and then they can work on modifications or revisions, if needed. Ae stated he would like this meeting between the Energy Commission and the City Council to be held as soon as possible. He stated tie would 6ring this concern up at the Planning Covmiission meeting the following evening. He stated the Commission members should xead this policy throngh thoroughly and become very familiar with it so they will be prepared to discuss it with the �ity Council and answer any questions the City Council will have. 4. o�x suszn�ss: Ms. Cayan stated that in ansioer to the question raised at the last Cormnission meeting about whether or nvt the Cnamber of Co�erce has an energy committee, she stated the Chamber of Coumierce does not have an energy co�ittee nor does it have any contacts with energy persons with the companies involv°d in the Chamber. Mr. Wall stated that, even though the Chamber of Commerce does not have an energy coumiittee, he still felt the Commission had a big obligation to assess the management orienT.ation of the business coumninity and the canmercial and industrial community. He would still like to have some kind of ineans of identifying energy managers in industry in Fridley and start getting that process going. He personally felt that industry is where they axe going to make the biggest gain the fastest, by exchangi.ng :deas and not doing their job for them, but encQUraging that the job be done at the industrial level. He stated he would like the Co�ission members to think about this, and it coald be discussed at the next meeting. � Mr. Wharton stated that the Sth Ancival Minnesota Energy Conference had been held recently. He stated he was wondering about the possibility of the City of Fridley Energy Conmifssion becoming a co-sponsor of the Minnecota Energy Conference, but he did not imow if it was appropriate or within the ENERGY COMMiSSION MEETI1dG APRIL 22, 1980 PAGE 8 realm of the Co�ission to do something like that. The Minnesota Energy Conference is sponsored by utilities, professional organizations, the Mp1s. Chamber of Co�erce, and the St. Paul Chamber of Commerce. He did not believe there was a ciky entity being represented as a sponsor and maybe it would be good to have a sponsor that would look at the interests of the city and in the selection of speakers. He stated the Commission members could give this some thought, and they could discuss it at the next meeting. Mr. Saba stated he had talked to Mr. Jim Langenfeld at the last Planning Commission meeting, and MY. Langenfeld strongly feels there should be some recognition given to the members of the Energy Project Counnittee who are not now part of the Energy Co�ission. These people are Betty Enkhaus and Dennis Anderson. Ms, Cayan stated there wi11 be an energy seminar entitled, "Energy Survival: The Pirst Step" to be held at the Hilton Inn on May 1-2. She stated she will be attending this seminar and will report back to the Commission. Mr. Wharton stated the next Energy C�ission meeting was scheduled for Tuesday, May 27� 1980, at 7:30 p.m. ADJOURNMENT: MO'PION by Mr. McConville, seconded by Mr. Saba, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson tidharton declared the April 22, 1980, Energy Commission meeting adjourned at 9:40 p,m. Respectfully submitted, c :m.t, �� Lynn Saba Recording Secretary � ;�-� . ����? I�i3IDLEY A.�'S?:':L'+LS CQi�d�il:iSSGi� i;w:a`.P �tG -TlJ'�4DA1'� ��3'� 29 19F30 , � ° < i�= -� CALL � `1Q Ritt�i4 � � Chairpie�st�i� :f:s. Schnabel cai�.aii the Aaril 2'�r: i;t�(�, ��eei:ing of the Appeals:Commiseion �o order at 7s33 P.[:i. ROZL GAbL Txiembers Present: LSS. Schn�.bel, f::s. Gabel, ivlr. Barna, i�ir. P1emeL ;�Fembers Absents T+Ir. Kemper : Others F-resent: Darrel �l�:rk, City of Fridley, Chief Building O�ficiai Piichele Fo�ter, �auen�c�rst Corp. Alfred Lc Nelson, Burlington-Northern, 79oa :terx_es Ave. So.. Joyce Y. Holmberg, 57b.� 1'fiain Street Id..:. Sue Keppler, 100 58th AveY�ue N.E. John Keppler, 100 58th A�'enue N.N. Alired J. Skotiv Jr., 79th 6�1�y V.�,. AI'PROYAL UF APRIL �,�i 1480 APP�ALS COi�.,.:ISSION h�iIPlUTES: &i0TI0PT by i:ir. Barna, seconded by �is. Gabel, to approve the Ap��l�, 1980 Appeals Coramission f�;;inutes, as written. UPOi1 4 VOICE `1CT�, ALL `lOTTNG AY�, CH<'�I4.F5:?SOi3 5C1-L'i1�BEL,. ��CLA?ED THE iii0TI0N PASSr�D UNANSTriOUSLY. 1. -VP.RIAN�7� ::^-U13ST PJ=�wU:lidT i0 CHP.PT_^n,R ?.G5 GF TH.J F3IDL::Y CITX : : '10�3 T 5 F.°.Oid �,? SLT3'4uci �1�,: � � ;?E�.0 :�yI'i • ,j j,00 F�'FT Iit a ti :AVY IIVJJSr1+�IaL ���4, 1'Q 70 F��T, ^10 ALLO_:d � �H3..'' CONSl'3`JCTIJiJ QF AIJ TIdDL`Si ZIHL ,3�Ii,D�iV(f PA�tT OF A Pi 0- �S� BUILDIl1U V`J:;:P 3�, I,J��i'liD�iv LO 3, Ai7DI`t'OR S SU13-• 27�VISI023 �0• 78, iHE S!�:� B�I:QG��I�AIIV STi3�BT N.E. Request by Rauenhorst Cor�oration, 7900 Xerxes Avenue South, Riinneagolia, i�iinnesota . 55+3t ) - '�`_QTICiV by i4Tr. Plemel, seconded by iris. Gabe1, to open the Public earing. UPDN.A VOICfi YOT�, AL% Yt3TING 9Yi, CHAIs?P�TiSON SCHNABEL, DECLARED i'�i� Pl3BLIC :in'ARING OP��D AT 7�35 P•�.?• '�s. Schnabel read the staff report: � TDMZNISTI27.TIVL•' STI�I'I` RT:?'ORT � ` 5730 t!lain Strcet tI.E. ,� .�. �..�: A. PEffiI.IC��PURPOSE.SI:RVEA:�271' S2L'�U712EA11it1T; � � . Section 2U5.13A, 6, reguires buildings to be set �ack a miniuown oi �{?¢ feet from a iot line which is ad-jacent to any other zoning district. -�'p�r�,ic purpose sezved Uy this require�nent is to avoid congestion in the �� .��tzect and hra�fic liazarcls and othcr dangers, and to protect and v� the char.�eter of any adjoining neighi�or.hoods ac�d future , � �hqdcis in tl�e same vicinity. �.._ �1 � � � w APPiAF,a G4lsic,:IS�ON i}iEETINGj, IiP �L _29, �,��p . _- '' �e 2 II. STATGD fi11RDSNIP: This.Yequest is nccc�s�ry dug to the Iocation of ttse railroad tracks as ' they'relate to this prroperty.and our desire to utilize a developnent eoncept which wi7;1 be compatible with Ehe adjacent,residentia2 neighborhood. C. ADMITIZSTRATIVE 52'AE'F REVZEW: The petitioner eonld meQt the 100 Eoot front yard setback by doing one of several optiopss 1, Reduce the size,of 6nilding #2 by .30.feet. 2: Reduce th� distance between building #1 and bnilding #2 f$t'Yant- Franklia warehotise on 79th & Main are 125 £eet apart�. 3: Obtain a rear yard uari�nce. 4: A combination of the abave. It shauld be`noted that all other industrial buildings on Main Street have met or exceeded the I00'foot setbaek reguiremene. We £eel that by apprqving this request, it might set a precedent for other new and existinq buildings along Main Strset. We recommend that Che Board consider denyinc,7'tHis variance reguest, Ivir. Clark referred the �od,rnission to the Site Plan drawing. i.;r.'Clark explsined t�qt :�au�nhorst �l�ns to build three buildings, and they ar�E reqixesting a v�niance for building �2 oY this p2;3n, b;r. C�ar:t :etated that they plan for heavy landscapir�g to sexeen'�he'building, and the parking lot Yrom view of the resid�ntiaJ.'area. l�is, Schnabel questioned what type of 1.�ndscaping was planned? Ivir. Clark stated that it would inolude berming, shrubs, and trees.' , Ms. Foster stated th�� £causnhorst plans to build three o£fice- warehouse buildings, m� which, the southeasterly building would require'the variance. She further stated that the ane building would be rai�road served, and the other two essentially would be office warehouse f 2cilities. She stated that it was their iMten"tion in devel;opi.ng this conce�t, to provide a variety of sorts of offieP-war�house facilities, that could be available to different soris of clients, witP, different sorts of needs, within the City of Fridley." She continued, that because of this reason, they pl�n threc diiferent sized builda.ngs, with different depths. She stated that their other concern, in deveZoping this particuTar concep�, wss that they �vere very well aware of the resideriti�I area, �d<very syrupathetic, and iznderstanding of the purpose of the zonin�; of wanting a 100 foot setback in arder to protect the residf�ntial area, or any 3.<,n3 use , as they are pro- posing. For this rea�on, she s�tated they have kept the truck docks campletely in tM>g interior, in their p1an, wYtich would not then Ge visible to the'resid�ntial ar��s, across the street. i _ • , . �- � . � �- , � ..� . . - Vnrsa '2 � .. u.,nuv ......«.. _ _.. �. . ,.. � . � �t � �ah� �u�'thar s�ated tha� they v�anted to h�v�; �'�ancept that would °`b� truly �satible witY� the r�siden�Lal ,� .� �s�ross the stree�. � P,Is. Ft�st�s*;�3tated, that they h�:va had m��u�`� with the, City staf-f, u�� as a: result have -�f;reed tio have wri�.tever berming is pos,sible in th�t �re^, as aug;ested by ��a,�`�� She further s'�at�d, that essenti�,lly, what they would be able to providg � wt�uld' be a�hree-foat b�rru, alan� the r.�.ost northern area of the site. She stated. t�at 'they had sub;�iti:ed a landsc^:ping pI.�r�; b�it 'that staff had sug' ested tha� tihey ug�rade the }.azidsCaping pla.n, so 'tha.t al� the deciduous tree� `that �re now sho�vn .on the plan wilk be 'a,1.1 large size trees to provide for maxir,cum scs�ening. Shs fur'Cher stated th�t they are pro�osing some`q,oniferous trees so that they would be green and screen. all year round. 5he s�r�.ted that ^.t the front of the buildin� .'that thcy are requesting tY�e variance far, they have purposely �. k�pt the parking area clase to the buil�ing, and away frocn the street, so as to minimize the impact on the neighborhood. Ins>. ' Foster then showed the Com,mission cr:e��itiers a renderin� of � the groposed landscaping.' She staied that the rendering t is showin5 a close approximation of ttte size oP the landscape nater3als that would be planted. 5he �urther stated that she felt`th�t they have v�arked very hard at cor�ing up with a plan .that would miniri;ize the impact, to compensate for the variance ' that they are requesting. �'is. 'Foster stated that i ��vas jus`t last week that they were able � to lapk at so�^�e of the su�;g;estions of the staff. She stated ;. they' ^11�.yn, t. 3one as � cti�r,ip].ete � job of l,�oki�e at these suggestions as they weauld like to, but 'that tin.e was oi minitaura. . She st�ted that as f�.r �s reflucing the squa,re foota;e of the �rzilding,- th4t they have clisc�assed th�.c aption and conclv�:ed, that in ter,.ls af the cor�cept tha.t they are trying to deve7.op, : i,t would not be poss�ble for them to do that. She st�ted.tha.'� ` ta reduce this building;that it esseniial.I.y would be �he same size as building #3� an.d that their contiept, was to provide ct�ve�se areas. � �s. Foster stated that;they also have looked at the possibi2ity Q� redqcin. the re�r .yax`d. or reducin�.the area between the �saildittgs �between bui]»di;7; #1 �nd the other tvro buildings �2 and '`3) to prov5.cie t�?prQ snace. She stated that staff had rr . -; �ttated to her,,that they know of a.buil.clin� where'the distance between �rss 12^ feet, but that their en�ineers have looked at this su,g�estion, and �that they have told he.r that to reduce this �rea tv 12$ feet, instead'of thei: proposed 155 fee�t would �reate �. eonflict. She stated th2t they �re not f�,�.;ilier with �}�p �txi,lding that staif had stated where.-this was done,� but:.'that �C%ey`�'elt in order for'�he �eni's to maneuver, this was not pps�yb�.e; .She stated that the engineers �;ta'�ed th^t there was =�,�pfl�sibility of reuucinb this area by 5 feet at the n;ost, but �t�a� w�s not desirable either; P.�. Foster sta�te@ thst they have also loaked at the rear yard gugqestion, but there again 16 feet is absolutely required fron �he property line"to the extension of �kie railroad tr�cks. � �.P,P�ALS CO3'rY,�IS�OS�I I�.i'sE'�'TNG Al'P,IL 2�� 1�980 Pat�'e4 _ 5he further sta�ed ti}a� at present iitey possibly cowld pick up a maximur� of £ive feet in �hi.s �;rea. She stated th�t i-C is tYiei.r strong greferenee i;hat at tliis point, th�t �iven the sorts o� 1�dsca.pin�, borr�in�;, and location of the parkin�; �reas, thm.� th�y really �eel, that the intent of ' the ordinance wi11 be�8ti11 met by the �rariting of this variance. She stated th�t .witPT t�lis ;ite pl;�xt 'tj3ej+ felt �hat they- have , come up with the-mast �ompatible p1� i'or the residential area. bYs'. Gabel questioned i�' they had considered a one-way tra.ffic flow irito the dacic arp�. that might �educe- the need £o"r � the 1}5 feet between the buildings? ' P�is. Foster stated tha•� the need would still be there for the radius for the trucks%�o me,x�euver in an out o£ the docks. - :�;r. Barna questioned �ow m�ri.y dock were in the southeasterly building {Buildin� y�2�� foi� which they;were asking the vmriancs ior? I.is. Foster stated thaG'there is a poasi�ili'Cy of eight docks, for that buildin��,but th�� it'was improb�bl.e that al.l eight docks, would be in use at any':one particu2ar ticne. i.ir. Plemel questioned why they need the 16 ieet fror� the property .1ine? .+Is. Foster stated that �vhat had ha.gpe�ed was ihat after the initial �lans, �Burlin�ton Northern stated that -L-hey needed to retain fifty fee� of ��e prope�ty for '�he7iselves, which then pushed �auenhorst'S p�.ans claser to th� street. ,"i;r. Plemel questioned if tYi�s site is lieing built far resale? P.is. Foster stated that it was pl�rzed, to be leased, uriless in the future it coixld be so3;d as a packa�e, tiu'� th2� they were not sep�,rating the lots�far resa3e purpo3as. �us. Gabel questioned v�hat Was the total nu;�ber of docks? P�4s. Roster stated tha'� thers v�as a tota_1 of 28 do ks with 14 on Building 3}1,. 8 on Builciing' #?.,. and 6'ofi IIui3dinq• �3. ° i.s.. Gabel-stated that r�alisiically then they are lookin� at a lot of truck tra�fic.': iis. Foster stated th�.t they,hs.ve the provision for it, b�kt t��t_ it may be that they y�}11 have one large user, or several small'users, and that they wanterl �tq ; be Ylexibl� so 'that they could accorruuodate either type of user� ; ��is. Gabel �questianed the hardship in this va..*iance. iris. Roster.stated that it was an economic hardship. ,� . rv� �. .. _�.,�..:,».....�.r..�...�,..---,_ ��'AE�S CO '��TSSIOTI [��EETYFdG,__�'�tXL 29, ��,��.�- Pa�e 5 '[llg: Gabel-�'Cated th3t she believed tha�G t21ere w�s betrveen 50 tt� 8� ae��s `� undeveloped l�d iri the'ar�a. L�r. �lark stated th�.t betvreen 694 and E.1,`� �'Lreet, it was about 2�;� devekoped. t�i�, Foster stated that she cou�d underat�nd the �omnission'� reluct�nce in settin� a precedent by g��ting this variance, bu:t she Further s�Cated, the.t in a. lot of w�.ys. with the plan th�t they have sub;r,itted, even though txiey'are asking for a ,varianee„ they �re prob�.bly going to ge'c a'much better developnient, in te;rns of berming and landsc3pin�. �cause they do have to co�e b�Pore the Cocnmission 'for agproval, th�:n if tYtey just came i� wi,th no variances at a11, and no apprav�l to get. i�1s. Gabel stated tha� sha felt th�t there was another consideration iY� tsrnis of the resid�ntial area.. She further stated that t�h,e i�81.gYtborhood across '�he street has a neighborhood �oc�mittee, artd �hat she had chaired `that Coa:mittee. 5he stated that • Co�'ittee had spen� sever,?.1 years in wa*king ou�t the proble�r,s that were numerous in th�t residential area. 5he stated that she Yslt that the ne.i;;hborhood has now built itseif back up in characte:, and integr3:ty, which she sta�ed was what they wanted to preserve. She stated that she was concerned in that putting this building closer to the street, with so �any !nore areas to stil�.b� developed, that once it is done, they tvi11 have to deal with everyqne elue tnzt co:�_es it� ior a variance. She stated that she also is concerned with the �,r.ount of truck traffic. :�.s, "vabel then'questioned if i::s. Foster kne�v hor� the truck tra?fic would �'lotu, . 2s this has been a bi�; probler., in tl��t area? , :ds. Foster stated that it would be difficult to say, as they ' v�ere dealing with speeul.ative buildings, and they did not kno,v who would b� leasing thern, but -that theg had purchased ihe l�xid because of its proxiraity to 6g�� Intersta+e, and therefore they would as5ur�=e that the trucic tr�ffic would flow through K7th i�venue �d r�ot through the residentia_.1 neighborhood ,is.'Ga,bel stated that it is poss�heeentrance,and�exitslarea set. ` tra�i'ic pattern just by the way t.�is. Schnabel questioned,the two entrances at the North and South ends o� the buildings, if they �°�ere wi�e enough to allo�v two-way tr�:f�ia? PSr. C-la�lt stated that yes they �vould be, as they are 30 feet v:ide. fLS. 5chnabel questioned the area bettiveen, building �r`2 an8 building 7`3� i3 tha`t was to be u�ed as a driveway? "E„g. Foster stated that no it �'ras not, and that the sk�tch was dece5.vin� in the fact that this a.rea �tends to slope back toward the;�e�r.;and th3t this area is to be l:�ciscaped, and bermed. �„� � � � � � xY. . � �� . . . � •. � . . - . � . . . . , , s..�.. . . . I... �� . . .. .... .. . . .. . . APP�A�.S G63:�.�`'�` �qN i�k:ETING'� AP:�IL 2•ga�l ��G�{7 Pa€�e 6 She further stat�d tl�at thg docks 3n the back would be do�mset, sataewY�at lowex tYzan tYie buS.ldin�s. I:.s.'.Schnabel stated w3iat she was �omewhat curious about the wa'L'er reten•Cion, and the rurlaf'f.` P�,r. C1ark stated tha� the �site does tend �o alope somewhat from North to ^aouth, and ih�zt they have provided far a holding pand on the South end:of '�he site. P:s. Foster stated th�t'it'is their pr�ference not to hold wa.ter on the roofs of 'the buildings if possible. Fis: Schnabel qusstioa�aEi wYtat they wnuld do, if the Co:a.�ission denied this variznce..=�Rquest totally? i+is. Foeter stated that'th�3� would then have to try to work the pl�s onto the propert'y, i� they were to pursue the:purcha.se of the site, and the developtaent of the project. She further stated that she felt tha'i wha'�° .mi�ht happen, would be if possibi.e they mi�ht have to co:ne bae�k wi;�h a backyard':variance, which she stated she did nat know if tiiat r��as a possibi3ity. She stated that given the proble.�, of 8urlin�ton-Nort�ern re�aining the 5o feet, that She did not kno�v �f i't was possible to develo� the site, without some sort of variance being granted. She stated that she felt that if they Nou1�3 not be ab]:e to receive any sort of variaxices, the project its�lf caigh� be in jeopardy. :4s. SckuZabel stated $hat if anyone i� tiis suclience wanted to make their r�:aarks Chey eo4�ld do so npw: "`�ayce Fiolr7berg, 5765 :d�i.n Sireet NrL. , stated that she lives directly across the strQet frora the proposed site. She further • stated that they novr}1�ve a lot of iru�Y, traPfic, a lot ai little children, a lo,t of f�s't vehicles, and because of the truck traffic she feels it shouZd be:.set �acl: 'the required 100 fe.et. She stated that sor„e.tiaes it i�`.difficult to �et in an�i out of the driveway. She stated that it is � m�e�s a.lr@a3y, arxd tha.t thi� would only create a worse-_:iess. She stated thai. ri;ht now [;ain �treet is a very 'pusy stre2t. ids. Schnabel stated that she wa.s sy:,iaathetic to the proble;a of the truck traffic,:which i� 3 problem. She further stated that because this was zoneti co;:.wiercial that they woul.d probably always have to coniend with tlie trucks whether this particular building was bailt, or `�om,e other building at a later date. ;is. Holrr:berg st�ted that sY�e felt that if the other co:�a�ercial users were•se�t b�?ck the 10� ieet tl.iat this site should do likewise. [=lr. Alfred Nelson stated tYs�t he is with Burlington-Northern, and that the ,restriction t�}at '�hey p1a,�ed on :�auenhorst, on the wester�ly bound�ry was �nd is fbt a�ery impc>ri;aeit reason, being that of pperzting the ri;ht-of-w3y property, which he stated is controlled A�PFALS C9"i,'i�,SSION '�FTING APi'IL 29 1�3f��' `�� - , by t�i�eir cu�eratin� supexintenden t, who h�s . '�.ricted the:n in the _���} �xi��a c�f the rai.lroad i'c�n any fu��##�oneideration of, that pt�;ierty for iurther expans3:on tsy '�u�n�torst. He further � ; s�ated th�.t there is �znother p?ssino trac:k.�3h�'t the superintendent : feit wss nece,sariy, and that what th�.t wou�d do tivould be r ta.move the servace trar.k, which°is neeessa:ry,'�o have the spur � car.i,rig in to �zuenharst Rctually co::,in�' ri�ht up.to the property line. He s�al�ed that sa when they speak c�f the 16 feet, that thiU-is �ctua7:ly ne�ess?ry, but that he w�.sn't sure of the aetu:�1 fi�ures, but -�hat there a.re very defini.te clearance p�it�'ts vfhich are required. lIe stated th�t 'the,only point, is that, they have been giveri the word °rom ;their opera'I:ing people, that they ?re in need!of that property to the 4'dest, ` which'does severely restrict Raaenhorst.,' �n their developing pro�r�m. . f , „ia� Gabel questioned i�' there vras a possibility that they could � put their spur in th3t 50 feet? ; i �'ir. Nel�on stated th�t no there was not a possibility beaause a]�1 tl�e l�nd is bein�; taken up by, or planned for service, or passing tra.eks, which would go al.l 1;he way up to Northtotivn, He sta�ed-that they have had their peopTe Zook at tnis quite , closely. `��s.`Schn3bel s-tated that they have a letter in ref.erence to this in tl�eir infor:nation. "�gr. Nelson stated that'yes that le�tter referred to the 5o feet th:�t th�y norr r.equi_red', ^nd tiha� it �.v^s �. last :iirLtte curve, th�t vr�s throv✓n to 2auenYiors-i.. , i�.r..3qhn Xeppler, 100,;�8th r�venve N.E. questioned how deep the hslding pond Fvould be? ' a.s, Foster stated that at this tir�ie they hnve not deter:ained wh�.t cag�city af �v�ter this holding.pond would have to hol�. She fur'ther st�ted 'that they are having a drs.i.nage study done at this ti�ie , to find out how large �nd at what denth the r ; po�� wou�d have �Lo be. She si:ated that they do not have the � results of that test as af yet. �:s. Schnabel, and ,:r. Clar:c tYien explained the rea.son, and var�:bus �,isthods far the_ runoff. bi,s;, �abe1: -5tated th�t t21is looks like it could be an attra.ctive nuisa�sCe, to children, with its close pro�i;i:ity to the street. ghe ���stioned if there was a way ta build, that iurther bacY.? i�Is. Fo�ter stated 1;h1t this wA.s only a conceptial drawin�, and they ��rQUid try to keep it a.s fa^ bsck as possible, but un1;i1 the-study could deter�,iine tlie ne�ded dep�;h and widtli, it �vas. - diifiee,�1:�'to det�r.r:ine what size holdin� pond would be needed. i�i�, dt�e�pler stated that it was hi� concern that this could be i a n�is�nce th�t .�ight need to be ienced. He also questioned if j .* ar this would`creste a marsn li.ke sl:ate with alot of bugs. �� � ,ui�, ��k�ab�J. stated tl�at.�ideally it �vould� only have w�ter �ir��it � � �� = ��,�:� • � raiiifal7:. � � � ,. ,.:: _ _ +:E .._ . t,: . . . . _. . . . . . . .��s. Sehnabel st�,ted �i�act these questions a,nd concerns` were valid, and that at soia� �oit�$? shs wou3d like to see so;ne �nore spscifics on the w2ter retantiar�'plan. , . t,ts. Gabe1 questi.oned:the audience how they feel about the vaz�ia.nce? i�ir. Ksppler stated tYxa�t he, would like i� set back the 1�0 feet. .:is. Foster stated that their preference, if this variarice was not accep�able, wottld be tp have it t�b2ed, so that'-they could work on various athe� iv�ys of having it being acceptable. She further stated that,Wha.t she i�ould like to have would be socne direction on what vrot�ls� be accept�ble, if tnis plan wa.s not. „is: Schnable st�ted that she'would like to Y.no�v the feelings of the Co;.imis �ian, or� tivhat' their incli;nations were. I:ir.. Barna stated tha.t he feit th^.t he would; lilse to see the.n come back.with soeae c}ifferPnt fi;ures, and ;try to move the £ront of the building back �3 far as possibl.e. is1s. Gabei: stated th�.t i�.fter v�orking with that neighborhood, that she too would like ta �ee �rh�t different ideas they cduld brin� - back to the Cor�.:�issimn�. S3�e further stated that because this was the first one in that �rea to be built, that she couldn't vote to gr�t this varianc�, but would'be raore comfartable gr�'iting a rea,.r yard v�riahce. _ i:ir. Ple:;�el sta:ted th�,t'there see.,ied to be quite a few other options open, and the�efore, he would want to:retain the 100 foot setbaCk. `Ts: Schn�ble st<zted that it sppeared tnat they would all be :aore cor,fortable if Rauenhqr.st,'could corae izp with some other alternatives. Fz�efer3bly wauld be not to have any ?rpnt yard variance, and. they v�ould-be r,ore aeFept�ble to a rear y�rd variance. i;r. Clark'state�3 th�.t Yis �rrould like to poin�l: out with a rear y�,rd v�iance, that -�h� r^ire Dept. raight want to have a.fire lane put in there. ::s. Schnabel stated tha�t they :�ay :vaxit a£ire hydrazat the.re. Ni0TI0N by� .:is. Gabel,� pursuant to ch�ptzr 'front yard setb�ck f area, to 70 feet,'to bui] d;ing, part of a Lot 3,: Auaitor's Sub Street N.E. (Request Avenue South, iainnea; 198o Appeals Com�raiss. UPON A VOTCE VOTE; TH� ;,iOTSON PASS�:D t c�conded by :,;r. Barna to table variance reouest 3 of.the Pridley City Code, to reduce the r.: the required 1OO ieet in a he�vy industria.l 9:law `the construction oi an industrial eposed 3 building complex, located on visic�n i`do.78, the �a,uie bein�; j'j30 :,ia.i,n y Ra�enhorst Carporation, 7900 Xerxes iis, .��iinnesota 55�+3�) until the ..:ay 27th, �� ,.eeting. � �.. � � �.: AYw � L'Hi�iI::Pi:r�SON SCHPIA3� DECLIIRED . •.n.n.+w� n nn.. `� • �� Cha,i,rxrerson Schnabel �hen read the staff report� ADMIIdISTRATIVE S;AFF REPORT 371 - 79Ch Way N.�. ��'�A. Pi)SLTC PURPOSE SEiNED SY REnUIREt'Il�SIT: � . 9�ct$on 2D5.053, 48, requires a minimiaa side yard setbaek of 14 £eet for ' lt�r��i9�, area. � � � Public,purpose serve8 by this requircanents is to m�in#ain a minimum of 30 Eeet between living areas in adjacent structures and 15 feet between garac�es �nd living areas in adjacent structures to reduce exposure to conflagrata.on.of fire. .It is also to allow for aesthetically pleasing open areas around residential structures. � -B. � '� STATED NARDSHIP: � � � ' _ � � - . The existing house was Iiuilt three feet fran #he property line and we Rave to continue at this line to have an addition. >[4e need the additiona}. • space as there is only one bedroom now and rw utility room. � . C. ADMIt�ISTRATIVE: STAFF R�VIfx4: � � � . � � � � If the Commissibn approves th is re4uest, the west wall of the addition can not-have any'openings and must be constructed for one hour fire resistance. ' P+90TI�N by :.ir. Ple;:.e1, seconded by �=ir. Barna� to;, open the t ublic �' Hearing: ;:, UPON ,A VOIC� VOT:., ALL YO'3;ING AY,?, CHAIiiPi:RSO'cV SCiiNABEL, 77ECLAR�'D THE PO$LIC itiEETING OP.yPf�.D AT 8:55 P•-�i• TSr. A1 Skow, the netitioners fa£Lher, was present and came forward to explain the plans. ife stateu that he �xiou�.d be doing tne work. He then "explained that there vaas an add ari`bedrooin, and that in the back �hey would be puttir,� on this additinn. He st�.ted that;the house:lias a cr�,wl SI�3ce. He stated �that with the one bedrot�ra'they needec3 n:ore roo,u. t�' :ris. �wcitn�bel questioned how far the nei�hbors house was fro�� this hous�? ,,; >: � �"o�n : ivir. Clack stated .thryt he be�.3.eved it wa� about ten feet. � u�r. 5kow st2tec3 that ti�eY h?d`talked with this nei�hbor, �nd that she had no objeation to, ttte. p1=n'1. ;, I=�OTI�N by �,ir. Plerael, s�cencied by ,:ir. B3rna, to clase the Public He aring. UPON A VOICE `70�F, ALL VOTIiZG AYE, CHAIRPERSON SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC H�AI�IYG CLOSyD AT 9t0? P•��1. I�7r. Plemel stated tha't 'ii the neighbor to the west had no objection, ; he oould see the r.eed �or mo;. e rooai. i�iOTIQN by ;�:r. Ple;,;el, secon3ed by ��.r. Barna ta approve the variance request pursuant to Chapter 20$ of the;Fridley City Code, to reduce the side y�.rd s�tback on the �.iving side of a hause i'xom the required 10 feet, to 3 feet, to a1Zow tfie construction of ',� a 14 by 32 foot additinn to an existin�; nouse already constructed � with a 3 foo't side yai� setb�ck, lc�cated on Lots 7�d $. Block 2, ; Spring Brook gark Add�.tion, the same�being,371 79th L�7 y N•:E_ (Request by Joseph Skovi, 371 7'�'�h '.Jay N.r.. , Fridle;�� .��inn. 55�j2� with the stipulatian, that;�he �^rest wall of,the addition san not have any openings, �1'id must'be construc�ed far one hour fire resistance. UPON A VOIC, VOTE ALL.�,OTII3G AYE� CHAIFPr�RSON SCHNABEL DEGL?,RED THE � it:OTIOLd PASS:.'D UNAIvI:,iOUSLY. � OTH �R �TS'tN�;S�S" s None AD�70t3RN�:;ENT: BIOTION by ;�:r.Bar'na, and se�onded b:I `r,ir. Pleniel, to adjourn the April 29, 1980 Apneal� Gor�mission iieet�ng. UPE31`i A VOI�E VQTE ALI, YOTING- AYE, CHA2:2PERSOtIT SCHiVABEL Dr.CLARr.D TFiE ,ai�,ETENG AD.TOUii11'� AT 9:10 P.itl. Respec'tfully submitteti, �LY'`<"'_� �i � Elaine Reed Reeording Secretary Fx � � : �� ��. ,`#l+�Qi,;;15TRIAL C)LWE:'LOPt�CNT f�ND� � !��'LfiTY tA/Lf�hGCM[: NT ULF�/�F�TM[NT i�ir. Willi.am C. Tobin ` d�f '� Vice President` ` Itea1 ,L'•state' Aivi.si4n � Itauerllrorst Corporation ' 2"�00 I�artliwestern F�nancial Center � 7��OQ�,Xesxes Avenue SQZ�th � � : f;oam:101fl ��'. t�� r�s� r�ir; su�� St..Paeil, Mmnesota 55101 TciESpho�ie (G12) 29£1�2}21 l,� R � March 20, 19.80 �S�.n�e�polis, TiN 55431 Deax hfr, Tobini . { At t}�e zequest of Air. ti4an�ard of your office, we have Y�vised Exhibit "A" to the flffer to Purchase Agreement cc�arex�.iYag tlie sale of Iiurlin�ton Ttortliern Zand at � Fric���ey to Rauenhorst. ' The d�pth of tlie prop�erty is now 835 feet rather than 89fl �eet as original�.y proposed, making the total sale ar�a approximately 12.17�acxes. This is a reduction � of' S5 feet along the sfluih line of tiis property, P�.ease sul�stitute xhe-new exhibit in the �ffex to Purclrase A�recmerit dated fiet�ruary 21, I980 and chan�e Paragraph 2, page' or.e to s)iow a purchase price of and a daposit of ,.Plcase also carxect Paragrapli 13, pagC '�hree to show 530,225 square feet. 1Ve wi�l neec� to receive the executed Offer by biarch 25 ir� arder to meet our deadline for securins final authority �TUm pur Board of Dixectors. Al1 Re�konal approvals have been received so you may wish ta put t}ie wheels in motion to secure the neceasary ' pc?nnits and Usgin 'tlie soil tests on tlie property. This i$ r.�itli the understandiug, }iowevcr, tliat sucli tivork is at your ol,�n expensc and risk until afi;er you receive an e.xeccited copy oi tl�e Offer to Purc}�ase 1lgreement. 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Lrl��i %t!, �../� � � , +..•'�I�..Erti�l�i�!/i j/NNl�.1t+�j�rCi � d!`c 4.4���i_/;/���c� %'/ �r! 1�/iri� �F,.�/.i )U�Vryit/, � . . . ��� y � I � � CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MAY 7, 1980 CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Harr�s called the May 7, 1980, Planning Covunission meeting to order at 7:38 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Mr. Harris, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Wharton Members Absent: Mr. Treuenfels Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner John Flora, Public Works Director APPROVAL OF APRIL 23, 1980, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr, Langenfeld, to approve the April 23, 1980, Planning Coumiission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris deciared the motion carr3ed unanimously. 1. RECEIVE APRIL L5, 1980, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY C�IISSION MINUTES; MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded bp Ms. Hughes, to receive the April 15, 1980, Environmental Quality Commission minutes. Mr. Langenfeld stated that at the Environmental Quality Co�nission meeting, the Commission members were wondering if the City has taken any other position on the Anoka County Airport since the City Cauncil Resolution �k139-1977 on Dec. 22, 1977. Mr. Boardman stated the City's position has primarily been a"wait and see" status. They have just gotCen the information that State Representative Paul McCarron tacked on a rider at the State LegislaCure which pretty much killed any further study on the Anoka County Airport. So, at this time, unless Metropolitan Airports Commission takes it to court and gets that ruling Chrown out, the airport issue has been tabled. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TIiE MOTIOId CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY: 2. RECEIVE APRIL 16, 1980, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the April 16, 1980, Parks & Recreation Co�issian minutes. Ms. Hughes asked the Planning Commission members to note the motion made by the Parks & Recreation Commission on page 14 regarding the Joint Powers Agreement when the JoinC Powers Agreement was discussed later in the meeting. Mr. Harris stated the Co�ission would discuss the Joint Powers Agreement under "Other Business", . dI ♦ , 1 PI,ANIVING COM�IISSION MEETING Me#Y 7 1980 PAGE 2 Ms. IIughes stated Che discussion by Tim Turnbull of the Fridley Police Depart- ment on police ca11s to Locke Park was iRter�sting. The main conclusion of that discussion was that, while there were a number of calls to Locke Park, these were not huge numbers, and the Police Department probably does not think of Locke Park as being a very serious area and one that demands constant control, even though a Neighborhood Crime Perception survey indicated that the Locke Park area was an area people would most avoid because of fear of crime. Ms. Hughes stated the Commission wi11 be talking about what kinds of security or techniques might be used to improve the situation in Locke Park and what they might ask other city departments to try to do. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIBD UNANIMOUSLY: 3. RECEIVE APRIL 22, 1980, ENERGY GOIAfISSTON MINVrES: M(YrIOft by Mr. Wharton, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the April 22, 1980, Energy Commission minutes. Ms. Hughes stated she wondered if people know about the kinds of energy maCerials available at the Fridley Library. She knew there were supposed to be some energy materials at the library fram a previous project. Mr. Wharton stated Che Energy Commission has not yet examined the library to see what energy resources are available, but it is the intention of Che Commission to do that before the consideration of any dissemination of energy information here at City Hall. Ms. xughes asked what the resolution was of the discussion about Che City Council adopting the Proposed Energy Policy. Mr, Wharton stated that the Energy Comarission would like to use the Energy Policy as the document they could start working with. Before the Energy Cammission can do that, it must be adopted by City Council. Mr. Boardman stated that there is going to be a joint meeting between the City Council and the Energy Coamiission, at which time the Energy Policy will be discussed, That meeting has not yeY been scheduled, but hopefully it will be scheduled this month. UPON A VOiCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECI,ARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY: Mr. Langenfeld stated that on page 8, the Energy Commission made a motion to City Council, through Planning Commission, recommending that Betty Enkhaus and Dennis Anderson receive special recognition for their contributions to Che Energy Project Committee. He stated he would like to see the Planning Commission concur with that motion. PLANNlNG COM[�LCSSION MEETING, MAY 7, 1980 PAGE 3 Ms ouncit cnat netcv �:nknaus contri- butions and efforts to the Enexgy Project Covunittee. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DEGI.ARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNAP7IMOUSLY: 4. RECEIVE APRIL 29, 1980, APPEAlS CONIMISSSON MINUTES: MOTTON by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the April 24, 1980, Appeals Commission minutes. IIPON A VOICE VOTB, ALL VOTIAIG AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY; 5. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to discuss the Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning after "Other Business". Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously, 6. OTFIER BUSINESS: A. Joint Powers Agreement Mr. Boaxdman stated the Planning Commission had asked the City Council to delay this item until their May 19th meeting. So, there was no action taken by the City Council at their May Sth meeting until they receive further information and some action from the Planning Co�ission. Mr. Harris stated that Ms. Hughes was going to have some further information for the Planning Co�ission at this meeting. Ms. Hughes stated she did look at the title documents for Locke Park, and there are no restrictions within those documents on the use of the property. It was purchased from the Douglas Chapel, the heirs to the Locke Estate, for $1.00. The one reservation they had was that no intoxisating beverages be used in the park. Ms. Hughes stated she also looked at the $50,000 expense report made by the park supervisors. This $50,000 was an estimate only for Locke Park expenses and did not include Islands of Peace or any esCimates for police protection. It was strictly for the maintenance-upkeep kinds of costs for Locke Park. So, from that standpoint, there are no restrictions, and if the County took over the maintenance of Locke Park, there could be a savings to the City of Fridley of as much as $50,000. PLANNiNG COMhffSSION MEETING MAY 7, 1980 PAGE 4 Ms. Hughes stated she could not locate any copies of any Park Commission minutes from back in that era so there is no documenta- tion in terms of whether there were any kinds of promises made to the people on how that land would be used. Ms. Hughes referred to the motion made by the Parks & Recreation Commission on page 14 0£ their April 16 minutes, in which the Co�nission recawnended a number of changes to be considered by City Council and City Administration, with the idea that the City would come back with some kind of document for the Parks & Recreation Commission's review, If the Planning Goamtission concurs with these changes to xhe Joint Powers Agreement, she would reco�end that the Planning Commission ask that the Joint Powers Agreement be referred back in its final form to the Parks & Recreation Co�ission and the Planning Commission prior to final signing and co�itments. Mr. Harris asked Ms. ftughes what her feelings were on the Joint Powers Agreement. Ms. Hughes stated it was her personal feeling that they should not go with a 3oint Powers Agreement. She realized there are not very good arguments against what appears to be a big savings of $50,000 to Che City and the kind of trust the park staff has with the County. She stated she is basing her feelings on what she suspects some of the o1d timers in Che c�nnunity are going Yo say and Chat is that Locke Park is our park and the City is giving it away. She stated it also removed Che jurisdiction and the body to whom citizens could complain farther away fr� Che citizens. She thought that was important, partially because of the number of citizens bordering the park. Ms. Hughes stated another thing that bothers her is that the County is not going to be responsible for patrolling things that happen in the park, except through whatever service the park ranger can provide, and the park ranger's only resort in any kind of trouble is to ca11 the Fridley Police Department. That seemed to be a much more important prohlem to deal with and one that wouldn't change at all. Ms. Hughes stated she views Locke Park as the cornerstone of the park system and one the City ought to maintain complete control over. She did not think $50�000 was that criCical to the City. Mr. Boardman stated he did not see the Joint Powers Agreement as losing control o£ the park or losing the right of the people to come to the City Council to complain or issue a complaint to get action in the park, if action cannot get done aC staff level. If they cannot get that kind of action from Anoka County, then with one year's notice, the City has the authority to take the park back again. PLANNiNG COMMISSION MEETING, MAY 7, 1980 PAGE 5 Ms. Hughes stated that one of the changes reco�nended by the Parks & Recreation Commission was that the City and County have an annual meeting in ordeY to review, preview, and approve all plans, work programs, and developments. It did not say "who" the citiy and County was, and she did not want that to be jusC staff people. She wanted it to be policy-making levels or at least advisory Levels, such as Gity Council, Board of County Co�issioners, appropriate c3ty staff (Parks & Recreation Department, City Engineering, City Manager, City Planner, etc.) and city co¢m�issions such as the Parks & Recreation Commission and Che Environmental QualiCy Commission. Mr. Oquist stated he did not know why Che County would even want to enter into an agreement with the City. The City was, more or 1ess, handing them a$50,000 maintenance bill and what benefit would it be to Che County? He asked if the County had been approached as to whether or noC they are even willing to enter into an agreement of this type before a11 the effort is spent on it? Mr. Boardman stated that right now it has primarily been staff-to- staff discussions. He stated he felt there has always been a certain amount of concern by the City Council that not enough is being done for Fridley. Although Fridley pays a majority of the tax base in Anoka County, Fridley does not get the "benef3t of the buck". .He stated that one of the things they are looking at is that the County needs a trail system through Locke Paxk and the Caunty has to have some kind of agreement with the CiCy for use of the area to run the trail system through Locke Park. Ms. Schnabel asked if it was possible to sign an agreement with the County that just allows the County to pay the City so wch for maintenance? Mr. Boardman stated he did not think the County would ever pay the City to maintain a city park. He stated this Joint Powers Agreement has not yet been brought to the County Board, and the Gounty may not even go along with this Joint Powers Agreement. Ms. Hughes stated that they have to remember that $50,000 is whaY the City says it will save. That does not say how much money the County will put into maintenance. The clause they have in the Joint Powers Agreement is that they have camplete contxol over the times they pick up the trash, the numbers of people and hours they spend at Locke:Park. It could be considerably less than the City has done. Mr. Oquist stated he did not see anything wrong with the Joint Powers Agreement as written and amended by the Parks & Recreation Co�nission. He could not see the City losing anything, and the City is gaining in the facC that they will not have to maintain the park, and that maintenance, in terms of people-resource and money-resource, can be used for the rest of the city's parks. The eiey could give it a try for a year and could cancel in a year if it didn't work out. PLANNING COML�IISSION MEETING MAY 7 1980 PAGE 6 Mr. Flora stated that one thing the Planning Commission should also consider is that if the County does maintain Locke Park, then it becomes capable of getting additional funds for improvements above and beyond the City's capabilities. Mr. Boardman stated they had to look at the fact that Locke Park is a large piece of property that is tied 3n w3th a regional system, and iC does cost a lot in maintenance dollars. Why not tie that park into the regional system if they have the opportunity to do that? The_City is still proyiding park=facilities for the xesidents. He doubted if masC-of:.the citizens'would eden notice the change, and the change could even be for the better. The City's maintenance is stretched pretty th3n, and they have trouble maintaining the parks they have now. Ms. Hughes stated she has no problem with passing the SoinC Powers Agreement on and aski�g the City Council to enter into some negotiations with the County and see what happens, Mr. Oquist, secanded bv Mr. LanRenfeld, to recoum�end that 2. ue the Joint Powers AQreement as written � a schedule of .� trails and parking lots. To orovide effective tree disease control urosram in Add- 10. The Countv and Citv to have an Citv Resnonsibilities to s in order s the f ollowing stipulations: the "Citv" and "Countv" be as the Citv Council, Board o itv commissions. such as Recreation Commission and the Enviroffiental c�uality (:ommi5s: 2. That any changes to=the Joint Powers Agreement as written and amended must be brouaht back to the Plannine Commission UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANTMOUSLY. PLANNING COMhffSSION MEETING, MAY 7, 1980 PAGE 7 B. HUD-Section 202 Application by Spring Lake Park: C. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the HUD-Section 202 Application by Spring Lake Park. Ms. Schnabel stated that in the application, it states it is housing for "eldexly-handicapped", not elderly snd handicapped. If that is the case, is there going`to be an age limitation in this building? Mr. Boardman stated that Section 202 is a handicapped section. They are requixed to have handicapped units, and handicapped units are not discriminated against by age. However, if they cannot fill those handicagped units, those units cannot be used for young people or families but musC be used for the elderly. So, what is meant by elderly-handicapped is xhat both elderly and handicapped people can use these units under Section 202. Ms. Schnabel stated she was a little disappointed in this project, because there is a need for families to be housed where the head of the household is handicapped. One and two-bedroom uniks do not enc�pass families per se, and three bedrooms are more accommodaCing for families with a handicapped head of the household. Mr, Boardman stated that the program for handicapped families is more under the Section 8 new construction where so many units must be set aside as handicapped units. IIPON A VQICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNEfNIMOUSLY: MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr, Langenfeld, to receive this memo into the record and that this memo be referred Yo a11 Fridley Co¢�ission members. Mr, Harris stated the chairpersons should take Chis memo back to their covm�issions for discussion. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANiMOUSLY: D, Election of Vice-Chairperson of Planning Caumi.ssion: Mr.Harris declared'the nominations open for uice-chairperson. MOTION by Ms, Hughes, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to nbminatec Ms. Schnabel for vice-chairperson of the Planning Commission. PLANN'LNG COI�IISSION MEETING, MAY 7, 1980 PAGE 8 M(YrIOR by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to close the nominations and cast a white ballot for Ms. Schnabel for Vice- Chairperson of the Planning Conmi.ssion. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE I�HYCION CARRIED UNANTMOUSLY; E. Discussion on Roles of City Staff and Planning Co�ission: Ms. Schnabel stated she thought it would he a good idea for the Planning Commission to spend some time reviewing what their role is as a Planning Coffinission and what the role of staff is from the City Manager's office on down through the various staff positions. Comments have been made periodically throughout the year about vaxious staff people and what their authoritative powers aze, etc., and some question about the Planning Conmtission's role. This d3scussion could take place at some time in the future when the Planning Coumiission had a light agenda, and the City Manager should be invited at that time to express his opinions. MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. OquisC, that a discussion on the roles of City Staff and Planning Co�ission be put on a future Planning Co�ission agenda. Mr. Langenfeld stated it would probably be a good idea for the Planning Coumission members to review their goals and objectives on an individual basis prior to this discussion. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, C HAIRMl�N HliRRIS DECLARED 'FHE MOTION CARRTED UNANlMOUSLY: Mr. Boardman stated he would check with the City Managex to what timetable would be good for him and he would get back to the Planning Couanission with a scheduled daCe for this discussion. Chairman Harris declared a ten-minute break at 9:10 p.m. 7. CONTINtTED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONlNG: MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr, Oquist, to Limit discussion on Chapter 205. Zaning to not later than 10:30 p.m. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Aarris declared the motion carried unanimously. R-3 District Regulations 205.095 Parking Requirements Page 41 - G-2. "10 feet" should be reduced back to "5" feet because of problems with garages or second accessory buildings that are detached. PLANNTNG COMhffSSION MEETING, MAY 7, 1980 PAGE 9 Page 42 - 205.096 Perfoxmance Standards 3-A. Screening: In 8th line, "in view of fencing" should be changed to "in lieu of fencing". Page 43 - 3-5-2: Ms. Schnahel stated she had problems with the City requiring how many inches apaxC axd how many feet high a planting screen has to be. Mr. Harris stated that if they are going to require this much exterior development, it is goiug to raise the price of a project which is intended to provide "affordable housing", Change to: "A planting screen shall consist of a closely grown hedge, a row of trees, evergreens, or other approved vegetation." Delete 3-B-3 and change �64 to 4�3. 3-E: Change to: "Where any multiple dwelling district is adjacent to any other residential district, there shall be a minimum 15 foot wide substantial planting area that shall be planted to provide for a physical separation:" 3-F: "All roof equipment, except solar collectors, must be screened from public view unless the equipment is designed as an integral part of the huilding design aud is compatible with the lines of the building as determined by the Zoning Administrator." Mr. Harris stated it seemed that in the future, a lot of innovative energy equipment is going to have to go on the roof. Someone has already been kicking around the idea of wind generatoxs, and the City makes no provisions for that kind of installation, The City is going to have to start looking at aiternative energy devices. Mr. Wharton stated these were areas that should be looked at in retrospect through a11 various zone classifications--the solax rights which the Energy Coummission is getting ready to look at and the wind generator idea, He would suggest that the Energy Co�nissian be charged with the responsibility of making seco�endation to the Plannic�g Coumission on these various areas. Ms. Schnabel stated thaY it may not be necessary to write some of this intp the Zoning Ordinance at this time, but could be handled through a variance process or through an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance at a later time. Mr. Harris stated that the Energy Co�ission, and any other commission thaY wished to, should take a look at these specific items. If the Energy Commission or other commissions have any recoammendations, these reco�endations can be passed on to the Planning Cou�ission. In the meantime, Che Planning Coumiission will continue on with the Zoning Ordinance. PLA.NNING COfthLiSSI�i MEETING, MAY 7, 1980 PAGE 10 Page 44 - 7-A: Leave in first sentence only and delete the rest of the paragraph: "Connection to a sanitary sewer is xequired on each lot served by a sewer." 7-B: Delete: "provided the Zoning Administrator may approve other proposed water supply, if determined necessary" MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to continue discussion on Chapter 205. Zoning at another meeting. Upon a voice voCe, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously. AD,70URNMENT • MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairman Harris declated the May 7, 1980, Planning C�mission meeting adjourned at 10:50 p.m, Respectfully su mitted, L e Saba Recording Secretary