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PL 03/18/1981 - 30555,—.� CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCN 18_, i981 CALL TO ORDER: Vice-Chairwoman Schnabel called the March 18, 1981, Planning Corrnnission meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. ROLL CALL: � � Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Treuenfels., Mr. Svanda, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Wharton Members Absent: Mr. Harris Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Bill Deblon, Associate Planner John Flora, Director of Public Works . Dennis Schneider, Counci7man Henry Stenquist, 7100 Willow Lane, Brooklyn Center James Benson, Mpls. William Jensen, 6875 Hwy. #65 See attached list ^ APPROVAL�OF MARCH 4, 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MS. HUGHES, SECONDED BY MR. TREUENFELS, TO APPROVE THE MARCH 4, 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTE5 �l,S WRITTEN. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, V2CE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTIDN CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. PUBLTC HEARING: REAPPROVAL OF P.S. #80-01, UNIVERSITY INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #81-01 BY RICE CREEK ASSOCIATES: Rezone Lots �, 9, and 10, Block 3, of Proposed Plat University !�n ustrial Park, from C-2 (general business areas) to M-1 (light industrial areas). Lots 1, 9, and 10, Block 3, to be developed as one industrial site, the same being 8000 University Ave. N.E. � MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. TREUENFELS, TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEAR.£NG ON PS �80-01 AND ZOA �}81-01 BY RICE CREEK ASSOCIATES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN 5CHNABEL DECLARED THE PFIBLIC HEARING OPcN AT 7:37 P.M. Mr. Boardmanstated the main issue the Planning Commission had to deal with at . this meeting was the rezoning request. On the reapprova] of the plat, the plat was not recorded within the 180-day period since the plat was approved about a year ago by the City Council. Because the dead1ine is a period of 180 days, �'1 the petitioners are required to come in again and get reapproyal of the plai: from the City Council. But, because they also have to come in for a rezoning on this issue, St�aff wanted to also bring the reapproval of the plat before the Planning � PLANNIyG COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 198] _ PAGE 2 ,� Commission. He stated this issue does not require a public hearing and does not have to go through the same process; however, there may be some issues with the plat that the Planning Commission may want to recorranend to the City Council that also deal with the r�zoning. Mr. Boardman stated he has just received a copy of the new plat with the drainage plan, and Staff is still in the process of reviewing the drainage plan. One of the primary conditions of the plat when the plat was initi.al�y approved a year ago was that the petitioners submit a drainage plan, and that p]an has now been submitted. The difference is that their drainage plan for Block 3 is based on some plans that are proposed for that siie.The rest of the drainage plan is simply a statement that says those drainage plans wil7 be developed when building permits are issued or when they deal with each individual lot. Mr. Boardman stated Staff has a problem with that unless they can get that state- ment as a covenant recorded with the plat. Staff's primary concern is they want to make sure that the people who purchase these lots and who are going to be involved in the development of those lots know the City has restrictions on drainage. Mr. Boardman stated the initial intent was that they have an overal7 drainage plan.for the entire plat, and in that plat, they would hade one area where water would be stored. Mr. Dave Harris feels this is not the type of situation they want. They feel the land is too valuable and that water can be adequately stored � on site at each development within the parking lots and within the green area along those sites. Mr. Boardman stated he has a copy of the drainage plan for area 3. They have some problems with this, because that property is presently not owned and not cor�nitted, other than owned by Mr. Harris and Mr. Schroer, who are proposing the development�of that area. There are no commitments or agreements at this time between the property owners. Mr. Boardman stated the Planning Commission has received a copy of a letter from Dave Harris to John Flora. In the letter, they are looking, not on]y for approval of the plat, but also, with the approval of the plat, they are asking for a set- back approval from 100 ft. to 35 ft. MOTION BY MR. WHARTON, 5ECONDED BY A9R. SVANDA, TO RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM DAVE HARRIS TO JOHN FLORA RE UNIVER52TY INDUSTRIAL PARK. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCNNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr.. Boardman stated that the Zoning Code requires that all M-1 property across the street from any other zoning have a 100 ft. setback. Mr. Boardman stated this has been done before, and the City Attorney said this was the legal way of handling it. � � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 � PAGE 3 Mr. Boardman stated Staff's concerns with the drainage plan:: (1) if they approve ihe drainage plan as submitted, they have some commitment for the amount of water flow that is going on the property to the south of this property; (2) They have a covenant that is recorded with the deed so that any future buyers will know they are responsible for handling water on the property; (3) If this draina�e plan is approved, to make sure they also are able to submit landscaping plans that will satisfy the intent of the City Code, which is screening from street right-of-way; and (4) The question of whether the Planning Commission wants to approve a setback from ]00 ft. to 35 ft. with the approval of the plat. Mr. Jim Benson stated he is representing Rice Creek Associates who are presenting the plat to the City Council. He is also representing Jerry Paschke, along with Rice Creek Associates, who are requesting rezoning. Mr. Benson stated when Rice Creek Associates came through with the p7at, all the property was originally zoned M-2 industria7. 4Jhen the plat ca�e to the Planning Commission and City Council the first time, the rezoning basically went from M-2 to M-1, except for the commercial property bordering along the service drive. When Jerry Paschke approached Rice Creek �ssociates to purchase the property in order to bui7d two different buildings on the property in two different stages, the first b�ilding being built on the upper portion in Block 3, Mr. Pascnke reapplied to the City for rezoning the commercial lots to M-1. When they found out that Mr. Dave Harris had not filed the nlat in time,they realized they had to � come back to the Planning Commission again. P�r. Benson stated this is very much like Paco Industrial Park, which is a business park. Paco Industrial Park is now virtually sold out and is a very nice project. That is why University Industrial Park was formed with the same type of layout, same type of street, and same type of zoning. The bui]ding Mr. Paschke will put in the first phase will be much like his other buildings. The reason he is requesting an h1-1 zoning is because his use of the building fits M-1'better than commercial. He stated that with phase 2, Mr. Paschke will have to come back to the Planning Commission again and request a change for that phase also. �ir. Benson stated Mr. Bill Jenson�of Suburban Engineering is at the meeting to answer questions regarding drainage. Ms. Hughes stated she would like to read a statement she made in the Feb. 6,1980, Planning Conmission minutes (page 5), because her question related to an acceptable storm water drainaae system being designed for t�iis plat: "Ms. Nughes stated that if there was not excellent control of water in this p7at, she would hope that whatever means available are taken to prevent any development of the land." Ms. Hughes asked what was the acceptable water con�rol on this plat? P1r. Bill Jenson stated he is an engineer with Suburban Engineering, and he is also here Lo represent Rice Creek Associates. They have been discussing with . City Staff the question of storm water control, and there has been some request and demand for a storm water plan for the entire plat. He stated he has been � resisting this, and the reason for that resistance is because of the amount of PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 4 effort that goes into a specific plan. The theory they have followed in this particular Block 3 where they have developed a specific plan is they will be detaining the storm water run-off to the same level as the undeveloped property, and thai is a fairly standard practice in areas that are requesting �his type of storm water detention. The storm they would be detaining is a 100-year storm (a 24-hr. storm) with 100-yr. return frequency. Computing the rate of run-off of the undeveloped property, they have designed in Block 3 a detention pond to slow the rate of run-off to the equiva7ent of that rate of run-off that wil} be developed on the property to date prior to any construction of buildings. Mr. Jenson stated he has been resisting laying out a plan prior to an actual proposal for use of the property, and he thought that the Paschke proposal is a perfect example of why he is resisting laying out each individual lot in some sort of hypothetical sense. The development of these engineering plans is a time consuming and,therefore, an expensive process. And, at this point they do not know what will be built on any of the other lots, but they do have a proposa] for all of Block 3; therefore, they have laid out a specific engineering plan for Block 3. �°1 Ms. Schnabel stated.that, as she recalled, the development of a lot cannot cause excessive drainage into another property, and the City still has the legal responsi- bility to see that it doesn't happen. If, in fact, this were developed and Mr. Paschke did not pick up the southern end of the property and it was developed ,..� se.parately, then the City �ould be creating one problem. It would seem to her that if Mr. Paschke developed both and sold them off to two ciifferent owners, the City would still have that problem and could become 7iable for drainage problems. P�r. Boardman stated that is why he did no�t want to see this done unless they have a legal document that goes along with the plat so that a71 property owners are aware of this and aware of the conditions. Mr. Jenson stated one of the things that have guided them in the design of the drainage detention system is to attempt to detain water at its farthest upstream areas. This is more effective than that detaining the water downstream. He felt what they are doing here is what is really sensible for the entire drainage district--trying to detain the water on each individual site and allowing it to flow out at a very regulated rate so they don't accumulate it in such a way that it becomes an eyesore and a detriment tothe use of the property. That is what they are attempting to do here, and he felt they were doing an excellent job. Ms. Schnabel asked if Mr. Paschke had seen this plan. Mr. Jenson stated Mr. Paschke had seen the plan. Mr. Paschke feels it is a practical plan and is very pleased with it. Ms. Hughes stated she is in agreement with the detention of water upstream. She wondered how long this system was going to last, because of the accumulation of grass clippings, mud, etc., which would fill up the detention areas. ...1 PLANNING COMPIISSION MEETING, MARCH l8, 198] PAGE 5 � - Mr. Jenson stated he really did not have an answer to that question. He agreed there will be a continual accumulation of run-off silt, dirt, and that kind of thing, and it will be necessary to maintain those areas to get them back to grade from time to time. He did not know what that time frame would be. Ms. Hughes asked if there could be landscaping in the detention areas or did it have to be bare grass? Mr. Jenson stated there was no problem with shrubs, trees, etc., within the landscaped area. They think there will never be water of any depth retained in the landscaped area for more than 24 hrs,,and it wi]1 be nominally dry, MOTION BY MR. 6VHARTON,SECONDED BY MR, TREUENFELS, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON PS #80-01 AND ZOA #BI-OZ BY RICE CREEK ASSOCIATES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLIIRED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 8:42 P.M. MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY N�, WHARTON,. TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE REAPPROVAL OF PS #80-01, UNIVERSITY INDUSTRIAL PARIC, AND APPROVAL OF REZONING REQUE5T, #ZOA #81-OZ BY RICE CREEK ASSOCIATES, TO REZOPTE LOTS 1� 9, AND 10, BLOCK 3, OF PROPOSED PLAT UNIVER5ITY INDUSTRIAL PARF{ FROM C-2 (GENERAL BUSINESS . AREASJ TO M-.Z (LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREAS). LOTS 1, 9, AND 10, BLOCK 3, TO BE i� DEVELOPED AS ONE I111DUSTRIAL SITE, THE SAME BEING 8000 UIJSVERSITY AVENUE N.E. Mr. Oquist stated the reason for the motion to approve was because the Planning Commission did discuss the plat at grea�c length one year ago and gave approval at that time. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCH111ABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNAN2MOUSLY. Ms. Hughes stated she would like to see the 100 ft. setback maintained on the north, Lot 1, Block 3. This might ease their minds a]ittle about the drainage. Ms. Nughes stated that the Planning Commission had some very strong concerns on drainage a year ago on this plat, and she particularly had some concerns in terms of what would be acceptable. She would like to see the City Council not do the final approvals on this until the City Council is completely satisfied that they have something that is controllable. MOTION BY MS. HUGHES, SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO RECOMMEND Z'O CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE 35 FOOT SETBACIC WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS: 1. THE CITY COUNCl'L NOT APPROVE THE FINAL REZONING OR RECORDTHE THE PLAT UNTIL TNEY HAVE AN ACCEPTABLE APPROVED DRAINAGE PLAN, 2. THAT THE C27'Y COUNCIL NAVE COVENANTS IN HAND AND AN ADEQUATE LANDSCAPED PLAN IN HAND. Ms. Schnabel stated she had some concern regarding the loading dock areas and i"� would hope that Staff would take a]ook at that again. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIh10UST.,Y. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH l8, 1981 PAGE 6 �., Mlr. Boardman stated this would go to City Council on April 13. He stated from now on he is going to be asking for a recommendation from the P7anning Commission to set the public hearing for the City Council. That t�ray Planning Commission can recommend this item go to the City Council on April 13, and Staff can go ahead and send public hearing notices on that recommendation. MOTION BY MR. TREUENFELS, SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TD RECOl7MEND THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PS #80-01 AND ZDA �B.Z-01 BE SET FOR APRIL 13 AT CITY�COUNCIL. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING RE UEST, ZOA #81-02, BY OLIVER R. ERICKSON: Rezone from R-1 single family dwellings io R-3 general mu]tip7e family dwellings), parts of Lots 6, 7, 8, and 9, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, that is ��,t now zoned R-3. Generallv located in the Nnrthea.st quandrant of I.694 and Highway 65 N.E. along Hillwind Road N.E. (See Pubiic Hearing Notice for complete legal). MO1'ION BY MR. OQUI5T,. 5ECONDED BY MR. SVANDA, TO WAIVE THE READING OF THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. � UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, TIICE-CHAIR6t�OMAN SCHNA.BEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY. MOl'ION BY MR. TREUENFELS, SECONDED BY 1�15. HUGNES,TO. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OIY ZOA #8.I-02 BY OLIVER R. ERICKSON. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOT2211G AYE,VICE-CHAIRWOMAN DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 8:58 P.M. ' Mr. Boardman stated the location of this area is between Polk St. and Fillmore St., north of Hillwind Rd. This is the low area that is below Hillwind Rd, where the drainage retention area is located. It is presently an open area and undeveloped. The petitioner o�vns most of the property and has an intent to purchase the tax forfeit property, the property to the north, and has an option on the single family home which exists within the proposed property. The option is conditioned on. the rezoning. � � Mr. Boardman stated Mr. Erickson is requesting that all of the R-1 be rezoned to R-3 in order to make a usable facility. At this time, he can build approxi- mately 95-96 units on the existing R-3. The reason he is proposing it this way is because if the R-1 is combined with the R-3 and �vith the agreement to acquire the property to the nortl� (R-1 open space), he can build an apartment complex of 180 units. If the overall proposal is turned down, then with the R-3 combined with the existing R-1, he could build a complex of 120 units. ^ Mr. Boardman stated Mr. Henry Stenquist, the architect representing Mr. Erickson, is in the audienc�. . . � � � PLANNING COMP�ISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 7 Ms. Schnab�l stated that before this rezoning request goes on to City Council, Staff should make sure that the property owner of the home has signed the appli- cation documents. Mr. Stenquist stated they have tried to show the utilization of the maximum amount of land, Mr. Erickson has owned this property for many years and has paid taxes on it for many years. He feels the best use of the land, because it is partially zonea R-3, is to develop the entire parcel as R-3. Since there are other adjacent uses to the property and none of it is developed and since the property to the north, because of easements for drainage and ponding, is difficult for development, if they could work something out to acquire that parcel and not build on it, it would act as a buffer to the homes on the north. It would provide an amenity that would look like a park, could perhaps be utilized as a park, and would be maintained by the owner of the apartment buildings, Mr. Erickson. Mr. Erickson feels the project has some merit and because of the shape and size, and because of the low areas running through the property, the best way to utilize the parcel is to rezone the entire parcel to R-3 and develop apartment buildings. Mr. Stenquist stated this would be a fairly high quality type of development, with semi-luxury units, for moderate income pe�ple. Ms. Schnabel asked if Mr. Stenquist or Mr. Erickson have discussed any alternative traffic plans because of the impact these potential 180 units would be creating in traffic in this area. Mr. Stenquist stated they have not investigated that, but they cou]d discuss this with City Staff later. If any alternatives were suggested, they wou]d be willing to look at them. He unders�ood there were plans to upgrade the intersection at Old Central and Highway 65. Ms. Schnabel asked if City Staff had looked at the drainage situation. Mr. Boardman stated that the impact from an apartment complex like this was going to be very minimal on the drainage area. VJhat they are looking at right now is the ponding area which is part of the Moore Lake retention system which is being developed, They have gotten funds from the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) to do a clean-up of Moore Lake. Presently, Hickok & Associates are doing some designs in this area to see what kind of water refiention system is needed. Mr. Ted Field, 1030 Lynde Drive, stated he lives on the south side of Lynde Drive facing the pond. He stated he would like to make some points of why he felt this area should not be rezoned: 1. The rezoning, as he saw it, would have a great effect on the capacity of the proposed apartments and the neighborhood cannot absorb any additional dense population. . 2. Presently, the traffic pattern in the area is quite awkward. As this is proposed, a large number of people leaving the apartment complex in the morning would have to go out on either Polk or Fillmore. Whether the traffic goes on Polk or Fillmore, it would have to come out on the corner of Polk and Lynde Drive to get down to the intersection at Central and High►vay 65. There is presently a significant amount of PLANNING C0�1MISSION P�EETING, MARCH 18, 1981 � PAGE 8 � traffic going out the intersection every morning because the areas i� Innsbruck to the east come out that way also. 3. This area is right next to a school on Fillmore, and right now the school is one of the only recreation areas for the whole area. The yard around the school is not fenced so he saw that as a possible danger to the children. The other recreation area is the ponding area. If this project goes through, the ponding area will be reduced significantly. . Mr. Field stated there were some secondary effects that he felt should be mentioned: 1. A project of this magnitude, whether 80 or 180 units, is going to put a strain on services existing in the area now. The present school is the only elementary school in the area. Public bus service is already over- loaded going downtown from Fridley. 2. He would like to present the possibility that water and sewer service in the area cannot handle this type of deve7opment. 3. Even �hough apartment buildings provide parking for the residents, this doesn't take into account the guests. It has been his experience with apartment buildings that there is always an overflow of parking . on to surrounding streets. 4. There are no sidewalks in the area, so he could foresee pedestrian . traffic also. Streetlights in the area are quite limited. Mr. field stated he was speaking on behalf of a number of the residents. The residents had a meeting and these points were raised at the meeting. He stated he had a petition from approximately 150 people opposed for the reasons he had outlined. MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. TREUENFELS, TO RECEIVE INTO THE RECORD A PETITION OPPOSING THE REZONING FO THE PROPERTY FROM R-1 TO R-3 PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY MR. TED.FIELD. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE°CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Doug Strong, 5720 Regis Drive, stated he had done some research concerning the traffic situation. According to a state study, this apartment complex would create a minimum of 900 trips per�day without any extra guests. Mr. Strong asked Mr. John Flora what the designs were for Fillmore and Polk Streets. Mr. Flora stated they were standard streets set up to 7 ton. He stated the County and the City are working on developing and improving the intersection at Highw�y 65 and Central and Hathaway so some of the residents' concerns are being looked at. He stated there is no solution at this time, but he wanted the people to know it is being looked at. ^ � , ,.,, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 9 Mr. Strong .stated it has been his experience in working with the Rice Creek Watershed District that they generally require on-site ponding before it goes into a storm sewer system. Is he to believe the pond shown in the proposal is in agreement with the Rice Creek Watershed District and they are not going to require any on-site ponding? Mr. Boardman stated the only thing shown is conceptual of the ponding area that is existing, and Hickok & Associates are doing the design. Before this plan can be approved and a permit issued, Rice Creek Watershed District does have to issue a permit on the overa]1 plan. The Rice Creek Watershed District's approval w�ll be based on a review of the actual building permit and, therefore, this plan has not been presented to the Rice Creek �datershed District at this time. Mr. Strong asked what cularly on the houses water problems. impact the run-off was going to have on that pond, parti- on the north end? He has heard that those homes have Mr. Boardman stated that Hickok & Associates ar°e looking at the total drainage for the entire area and are doing a comprehensive study. Mr. Strong stated he had a hard time seeing how a rezonin request like this could get approved when they have only part of the pie: �1) Mr. Erickson does . not have all the property required for that size density; (2) There is a single �'1 family home within the property that might sell if the apartments go in and won't sell if the apartments do not go in; (3) There is a tax forfeit lot. It has been his experience that tax for�eit lots go up for bid. A person does not just go and buy them so there is nothing that says P�r. Erickson will acquire that tax forfeit piece of property which he needs for the density. Mr. Strong stated another thing Mr. Erickson has to look at is the turn-around on Polk Street. There definitely should be a turn-around, not only for plowing, but also for buses, fire trucks, etc. Will the City pay for that or will that be assessed against the property owners in the area? There are a lot of factors to be considered with this rezoning. Mr. Strong stated that P�r. Erickson owns the R-3 property, he pays taxes, and he should be able to develop in the manner it is presently zoned. To zone it to the maximum so Mr. Erickson can develop to the maximum is not the Planning Commission's role; they are here to look out for the City. Mr. Strong stated he has been toad that Mr. Erickson owns some of the apartment buildings in the area. Mr. Stenquist stated that Mr. Erickson would maintain the ponding area. Mr. Strong stated he has lived in the neighborhood for six years and the maintenance on those apartment buildings is not so good, and he questioned how well the ponding area ��vould be maintained, if it was created. Ms. Nancy Jorgenson, 5730 Polk St., stated she lives on Polk St. where it turns into Hathaway. She is a licensed daycare provider, and she was told by her �"', ' county supervisor that she had to fence in her backyard for the protection of the children. She stated she has had four families referred to her from the existing apartment complex, and three of the four families are county-paid, which indicates � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 � PAGE 10 �'°� something of the area. She stated she has talked to other licensed daycare providers in the area, and very few of them have openings for infants, which they will see with more apartment buildings. Ms. Jorgenson stated she also had a petition that she would like to submit to the Planning Commission. MOTION BY MR. WHARTON, SECONDED BY MR. TREUENFELS, TO RECEIVE INTO THE RECORD THE PETITION OPPOSING THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM R-.Z TO R-3 PRE'SENTED TO TNE PLANNIAIG COMMISSION BY MS. NANCY JQRGENSON. � UPO1V A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Ms. Kacey Prois, 1060 Lynde Dr., stated she is the captain of the North Park School Safety Patrol. She is worried about the additional traffic this apartment complex would create by her school. The children tend to walk in the street and the only safety factor for the children is the school patrol. Ms. Claire McKinley, 1010 Lynde Drive, stated she lives in one of the houses with the water problem in the basement. She was wondering if the residents could request an environmental impact study before the rezoning to see if there is any possibility of handling the situation. This is a needless thir�g to go through if the whole area cannot handle this extra high density. Mr. Strong stated he had done some research regarding an environmental impact �..� statement. He stated 25-26 signatures are required on a petition requesting an environmental impact statement and that petition has to go to the Department of Natura] Resources. But, the Department of Natural Resources refers it back to the City Council, and the City Council must make the determination of whether to do a study or not, so the responsibility falls back on the City. Mr. Jasper Jenson, 1011 Lynde Dr., stated he is a 20 year resident of Lynde Drive. He has seen the apartments built and he has seen the green grass turn into dande- lions. He has seen a boy hit by a car because of the traffic prablems. He has been woken at night by the Fire Department trucks because of fire bombings and by the police cars because of drunken parties. Is this what they are going to be getting more of? He hoped not: Ms. Karyn Prois, 1060 Lynde Dr., stated she also has a wet basement. Al1 the water drains down to Lynde Drive, and they seem to be the holding pond. Ms. Prois stated she did a little homework and did some reading of the March 1980 draft of the Comprehensive Plan for City Development. She stated she would like to remind the Planning Commission of some of the things in the plan and would ask them to apply these things when they make their decision on rezoning this property. "Fridley is a strong community because of its present resident population. The Ciicy must take measures to keep these people here by reducing the negative effects on Fridley's residential neighborhoods. Furthermore, the varying and changing needs of people must be recognized. Concerns ^ regarding living environment include keeping neighborhoods as attractive, safe, pleasant living environments and providing efficient access to service centers." PLANNING CO(�MIS5ION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 11 Ms. Prois stated they would like it known that . putting these units in their neighborhood will increase the negative effects and wi17 not keep the current residents in their neighborhood. The City's concern for their living environment will not be met and housing of that density wi17 not provide an attractive, safe, pleasant living area for current residents.Furthermore, the increase of traffic in that area, already discussed as a bottleneck, will not provide residents with efficient access to anything. Ms. Prois stated the primary statement of the Plan under ''improving housing" is "to provide existing housing stock for neighborhood preservation and to provide a broader range of housing choices. With 10,457 current housing units in Fridley, only 512 are of townhouse construction. The need for higher density housing is also a need for owner-occupied townhome construction." She stated that currently in the North Park neighborhood, there are 139 single family units and 135 high density units. An additional 180 units would give their neighborhood 69% multi- family dwellings. They are already at 48%--well above the whole City which is only 29% multi-family units. Ms. Prois stated the ponding area was also a concern. She quoted from the Compre- hensive Plan: "Most of Fridley's sensitive areas are wetlands. These wetlands are in constant danger of being destroyed because of developmental pressures. The rising cost of land has made it economically feasible to fill these areas for �� construction purposes. The destruction of these wetland resources must not be allowed anymore." She stated this ponding area is designated as a wetland in the City's Comprehensive Plan. Ms. Prois stated she was asking the Planning Commission to.follow their own guide- lines: � 1. To preserve and protect current neighborhoods. The builder provides no playgrounds and the parking will enfringe on their neighborhood. 2. To provide variety housing. These units do not provide an additiona] variety for �heir neighborhood. 3. To preserve their wetland areas. Ms. Prois stated the City does not have to rezone this property now. This project is not beyond the concept stage or suitable to the adjacent neighborhood, and they are asking that the City hold any rezoning until what is proposed is complete and is the bes� possible use for the land and also acceptable to the neighborhood-- Specifically, the traffic not hav.e any existing problems, that the compaction is not overbearing for such a small area, that new development must look out for itself by providing traffic flow, amenities, play area, and not be a burden to the existing neighborhood. Mr. Ted McCarty, 1051 Lynde Dr., stated he is also one of the original homeowners in the area. He has seen the apartment buildings built and over the years as they tvere sold, he has seen them slowly deteriorate. He stated he was sure the � architect and the owner have plans for a nice building, but if they ever decide to sell, the same thing can happen to those buildings, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 12 �"� Mr. Boardman stated he would like some response from the residents as to whether they felt �townhouses or condominiums would be viable alternatives. Ms. Carol fassett, 100] felt that townhouses or not rental. Their real maintenance. Lynde Dr,, stated in their neighborhood meeting, they double bungaloes would be acceptable, if owner occupied, objection is in the rental area, because of the poor Mr. Strong stated that with condominiums, they wou]d still have the traffic problems. The same building with the same number of units could be put up, and the units sold as condominiums, MOTION BY MS. HUGHES, SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ZOA #81-02 BY OLIVER R. ERICKSON. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTSNG AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 10:25 P.M. Ms. Hughes stated she would like to point out that the Parks & Recreation Commission is aware of the lack of neighborhood parks in this area as there just is not enough room for a park. There is only the Moore Lake Beach area and Hackman Park. The comment that this kind of deve7opment has to provide its own park spaces is extremely true in this area. More population in this area would really strain the parks even further. ,-� MOTIOIV BY MR . OQUIST , SECOIVDED BY NIR . SVANDA, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THE DENIAL OF REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #81-02, BY OLIVER R. ERTCKSON TO REZOIVE FROM R-1 (SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS) TO R-3 (GENERAL MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLINGS), PARTS OF LOTS 6, 7, S,AND 9, AUDITOR�S SUBDIVISION 1V0. 25, THAT IS NOW ZONED R-3. GENERALLY LDCATED IN THE NORTHWEST QUADR�INT OF I.694 AND HIGHWAY 65 N.E. ALONG HILLWIND RDAD N.E. (SEE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE FOR COMPLETE LEGAL), FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: 1. TRAFFIC PROBLEMS 2. TOTAL DENSITY IN THE AREA 3. NO RECREATIONAL AREAS EXCEPT FOR THE SCHOOL GROUNDS AND PONDING AREA 4. STRAIN ON EXISTING SCHOOL SYSTEM 5. STRAIN ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION 6. PARKING PROBLEMS FOR EXISTING APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE AREA � 7. ND SIDEWALKS 8. INADEQUATE ST.REET LIGH2ING 9. DEVELOPMEINT 5EEMS TO BE IN CONTRADICTION TO.THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE P�AIV UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Ms. Schnabel stated this would go to the City Council on April 13, and the petitions presented will go on with the Planning Corr�nission's recommendations. Vice-Chairwoman Schnabel declared a 15-minute break at 10:45 p.m. (Mr. Wharton left the meeting at 10:45 p.m.) � PLAiJNING COf4�4ISSI0N MEETING, MARCH 13, 1981 PAGE 13 � � .. . 3. CONTINUED: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED NOISE ORDINANCE Public Hearing Open. Mr, Svanda siated that at the Environmental Quality Commission meeting on March 17, the Commission members stated they would like Mr. Svanda to again express to the Planning Commission their support of the Noise Ordinance. MOTION BY MR. SVANDA, 5ECONDED BY MR. TREUENFELS� TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CON5IDERATION OF A PROPOSED NDISE ORDINANCE. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. MOTION BY MR. TREUENFE7�S� SECONDED BY MS. HUGHES, TO PASS THE PROPOSED NOISE ORDINANCE ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION OF THE NOI5E ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COUNCIL. Mr. Boardman stated that a copy of Mr. Deblon's memo #81-17 would be included in the packet when the Noise Ordinance is sent on to the City Council. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLAFtED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. � � 4. COiJTI�dUED: CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING CHAPTER 209 OF THE TDLEY CI C DE ENTI ED CONDO`IINIUi�I CICE SING' Mr. OqUist stated this ordinance is the result of two years of effort in response to a request from the City Council to provide some kind of conversion ordinance. In the last two years, from finding out what other communities are doing and the fact that there is a state law passed covering condo conversions, the Community Development Commission felt a17 they could really do is assure that the City is notified when there is a conversion. That is the reason for the license, He stated there is a state law that covers what people can do in a conversion as far as the rights to the people who are �enting. Under 209.05,"Application", the following changes were made: "Certificate of registration and application for a conversion shall contain the following information: #1 and #2 remain the same. #3 - Number of stories and height in feet/meters #4, #5, �r`6, �7, #s, #9 remain the same. 209.06 "Condition of Approval" was changed to "209.06 Condition of Denial" with some language that the City will review this�license based on state law and then refer to state law. � MOTIDN BY MR. TREUENFELS, SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO PASS TNE ORDINANCE E5TABLISN- ING CHAPTER 209 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE ENTITLED� "CONDOMINIUM LI('ENSING" ON TO THE CITY COUiVCIL AND RECOI�IMEND THE ADOPTIDN OF THE ORDINACE BY THE CITY COUNCIL. PLANNING COMMISSION h1EETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 14 � UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VSCE-CH'AIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMDU5LY. 5. CONTIfVUED: PUaLIC HEARING: AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 205 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE, GEPfERALLY KNOWN AS THE FRIQLEY ZONING CODE MOTION BY MS. HUGHES, SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIDN ON THE FRIDLEY ZONING CODE UNTIL A SPECIAL MEETING ON APRIL lr 1981. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. MOTION BY MR. OQUI5T, SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA, TO RECEIVE THE ENERGY COMM25SION ZONING CODE REVI5IO1V5. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, V.I'CE-CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 6. RECEIVE FEBRUARY 24, 1981, ENERGY COf�fMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MR. OQUI,sT, SECONDED BY MR. TREUENFELS, TO RECEIVE THE FEB. 24� 1981, ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTE5. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIIVG AYE, VICE-CHAI.RWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION ,� CARRIED UIVANIMOUSLY. 7, RECEIVE FEBRl1ARY 26, 1981, SPECIAL HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES: MOTIOIV BY MR. TREUENFELS, SECONDED BY A?R.'SVANDA, TO RECEIVE THE FEB. 26� 1981, SPECIAL MEETING HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES: UPOIV A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWONIAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 8, RECEIIIE MARCH 5, 1981, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MR. TREUENFELS� 5ECONDED BY MS. HUGHE5� TO RECEIVE THE MARCH 5� 1981, gUMAN RE50URCES COMMISSION MINUTE5. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRWOMAN 5CHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 9, RECEIVE MARCH 10, 1981, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MR. OQUI5T� SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA� TO RECEIVE THE MARCH 10, 1981, CONIMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMI5SION MINUTE5. �"� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 15 Mr. Oquist�sta�ed they are still looking at the worth of the Community Development Commission. He stated that Ms. Gustafson di� some research and found that no other conununity has a community development commission like Fridley's. Brooklyn Center has a commission that just advises on CDBG funds in addition to a Housing Commission and an HRA. He stated he thought the Commission will have to really narrow their goals and maybe make the recommendation that they be established to handle one specific item. . UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE—CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY. 10, OTNER BUSINESS: Ms. Schnabel stated she would like to express her appreciation to al] those whom she has worked with over the past years. It has been a real pleasure working with them and she has enjoyed it very much. ADJOURN��IENT: MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. T.REUENFELS, TO A.DJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A VOIC1s' VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE—CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MARCH 18� 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT .I.Z:35 P.M. � Respectfully submitted, �� . ��- � ��¢'',,c.� yn Saba Recording.Secretary � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 18, 1981 PAGE 16 ^ NAME � Jerry Herlofsky Donald Stiller Terry Weglarz Joan Weglarz Neil M. Al1en Charles Beckerleg Walte r & Dorothy Hansen Betty Hults Ted & Dolores McCarty Bob Miller Robert � Karyn Prois Kacey Prois � Carol Hansen Ellen D. Farber Joe & Eileen Branco James & Nancy Jorgenson Doug & Nancy Strong Carol Eppel Jesper B. Jensen Roger Frank Roger & Carol Fassett Ted & Deborah Field James & Linda Shober Claire McKinley Roger Gehrke Glenn Davis Roger Jones Dan Sullivan Peter Wojtowicz Ruth Dunn Robert Wayne ADDRESS 1365 Nillwind Rd. ]355 Hillwind Rd. 1071 Lynde Dr. 1071 Lynde Dr. 1040 Lynde Dr. 1047 Lynde Dr. 1050 Lynde Dr. 980 Hathaway Lane 1051 Lynde Dr. 505 S. 2nd St., Hopkins, Mn. 1060 Lynde Dr. 1060 Lynde Dr. ]051 Hathaway Lane 1041 Hathaway Lane 5720 Polk St. 5730 Polk St. 5720 Regis Dr. 5721 Regis Dr. 1011 Lynde Dr. 5512 Fi 11 more St. ]001 Lynde Dr. 1030 Lynde Dr. 1000 Lynde Dr. 101O Lynde Dr. 1010 Hathaaray Lane 940,Hathaway Lane 8391 Lower 138th Ct., Apple Valley ]]61 Regis Lane 1110 Lynde Dr. Fridley Sun 5741 Polk St. �--� � 1 '��1 0 ' I C Z',CX 0� TIZIDI,LY PETITION COVl:IZ SIII's�T 0 Petition No. 1-1981 bate l�eceived 1�7arch 26, 1981 ' Ob�ect In opposition to rezoning request ZOA #81-02, by Oliver R. 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C� ._. �,: _ r�:'./_.._. . . _ ..._ __---- - . .._. _ ' , .� �� " . � ' � ^ . . -�� ? . .�_._ __ _------- ` !f '�j � ��--� � �,t �,: �� 7'�,? �� L,t. � _ • �° � r. � ) < r-�---_... / . �.- %� -� /�% `%� /� / /} . . df ! �.'�'`�"L�/�,1 r v 1/ !'�� "�-{�"�,c!e/l //�G/ — _� r.�XX�LC'/� .. _---- -- -- . . .. `� � • � � !f• . ___. — _. __. .".. - - - . ._. --- � _.__i . ; ,� ,:-.- �.----�-•� , • :---•�..-...:; 0 � 1�o the resideni� of Fridley, are b.ringing to your atiention the follo��ing r� prob7.em$ aricing from the traffic from Innsbruick, and •tha apartmenta � lacated on Hills�ind and Lynde Drive. {•Te ha.ve fbund out that an addi-tional IIIO uni't apartment complex ie being considered on Polk 3treei near North Park 5choole d�e ara againet these apartments for theae reasona. I� Hi.11wind traff'ic has been rerauted to Lyn.de Drive� then Polk Street and �inally HackmaYrin Drive to Central Avenue or Highway 65. Our once quiet residential sireet �e turning into a highway. 2. Excesgive 8peeding has made it almoet impossible to sa�ely back out of our driveways. ��Te believe a�our way stop sign should be placed at the in'cersection of Polk Stree$ aad Lynd� Drive to help alow down the traff'z.c. Also the pcassibiliicy of apee�i bumpa to slow traific down. � 3. V�e have no eidewe.lks �.nd children must walk on Polk 3treat and Lynde Drive to enter Nor-�h Park School. pue child has already been a�ruck by a car last fall. 4. Loaded gasoline trucke aro using Polk Stree� and Lynde Drive to enter,ihe Uniori 76 gas station for filling purpoaes. Also semi- trailer trucks are using Polk Street and Lynde Drive. Some have even parked in front of residential homes. 3chool buses also use Polk Street and Lynde Dr�ae 'co transpo rt children to North � Park_School. Our e�treet is in need oL repaire from the heavy traffic. We are requesting a weight restriction sign be placed on Polk Street to keep trucke from ueing our residential street. 5. The existing apartments on Lynde Drive and Hillwind have no psrking signs on t��e streeta ajoinin� their prqp.ertiea. The �"� . overload parking ie usi.ng Lynde Drive and Polk Street, taking i � t ....� . •.� . , I .! _2_ . .,. . r..��l _, _,4�.. . . ..: . �:�`� parki�ag away from icha residences on Polk 3treet. They have been blocking our drivewaya nnd depoeitirig beer•boitlee and trash along the stree-t and on aur lawne. For thia reason we want Polk Strea� .. marked NO OVERNIGHT PARKING From IO p.m. to 6 a.m. 6d 1�e are not in favor of having our street vri.den to accomraodate additional trafPic from the said new apartment complex. h`e . arould be in favor of placing sidewalka to keep children of'f the � �treeis. Ma.ki,ng it safer for them to walk to school. : : Signature: . Addreeat . � . �, Phonea ., : • ; . - -�/ �/ � �73 � /yn,J///�\ S� � � � � s�l/-�.3 �- � , ,f��j'�.Q7 ' �-t-./ 9�ha-L�_. 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