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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 19, 1981
CALL TO ORDER;
yice-Chairperson Oquist called the August 19, 1981, �Planning Commission meeting
to order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Saba, Ms. van Dan
Members Absent: Mr. Harris, Mr. Svanda
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Muriel Sharpe, 5924 - 5th St. N.E.
Mary Eggert, 7080 Hathaway Lane
Robert J. Baumer, Suite 206, 403 Jackson St., Anoka 55303
Lee Carlson, 7937 - 5th St. N.E.
Peter Treuenfels, P.O. Box 21072, Mpls. 554210072
Allen & Carol Caldien, 1245 Norton Ave. N.E.
� APPROVAL OF JULY 29, 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO APPROVE THE JULY 29� 1981�
PI�ANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTIDN
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. LOT SPLIT RE UEST L.S. #81-06, BY ROBERT & BARBARA ANDERSON: Split off
t e Norther y 208 ft. of t at part of ot , Au . Su iv sion #10, Rev.,
Described as follows: Beginning at a point on North line�dis. 642 ft. East
of NW corner of lot 16 said Rev. Aud. Sub. #l0,thence East along North
line 97 ft.,thence South parallel with West line 308 ft., thence West
parallel with North line 97 ft., thence North parallel with West line 308 ft.
to point of beginning subject to easement over North 30 ft., the same being
1360 - 69th Avenue N.E.
Mr. Boardman stated the proposal is to split off the southerly 100 ft. to make
a 100' x 97' lot. He stated Siverts Lane is now an improved lane with water
and sewer service; therefore, this lot can get service.
Mr. Boardman stated Staff has no problem with the lot split. There is a$500
park fee requirement on a lot split which the petitioners have signed. There is
also an understanding that when Siverts Lane went in, the cost of Siverts Lane
was delayed on these corner lots. The people on the corner lots Elaimed they
^ did not use Siverts Lane and, therefore, did not want to be assessed for any
development of Siverts Lane.
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Mr. Boardman stated the City Council did delay assessments on t�ese lots until
such time as these lots were split for development, These lots are now being
split for develDpment,and those people will be getting assessment charges on
this lot. He stated the petitioner was informed of this.
Mr. Boardman stated that at this time, the decision has not been made whether
easements will be needed. They are debating on how to handle access to all other
lots. They may want to have the access on the back ends within the county park
property for a street if a street is ever needed.
MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN, SECONDED BY A�2. SABA, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY CDUNCIL APPROVAL
OF LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. #81-06, BY ROBERT � BARBARA ANDERSON: SPLIT OFF T$E
NOR2'HERLY 208 FT. OF THAT PART OF LOT 1� AUD. SUBDIVISION �IO REV., DESCRIBED AS
FOLLOWS : BEGI1VNIlVG AT A POINT ON IVORTA LINE DIS . 642 FT . EAST OF NW CORNER OF
LOT Z6 SAID REV. AUD. SUB. #10 THENCE EAST ALONG NORTH LINE 97 FT., THENCE SOUTH
PARALLEL WITN WEST LINE 308 FT. TSENCE WEST PARALLEL WITH NORTH_LINE 97 FT.�
THENCE NORTA PARALLEL WITH WEST LINE 308 FT. TO POINT OF BEGINNING SUBJECT TO
EASEMENT OVER NORTH 30 FT.� THE SAME BEIIVG 1360 - 69TH AVENUE N.E.� WITH THE
STIPULATION TSAT TFIE CITY COUNCIL MAKE SOME DETERMINATION ON TNE ROAD ACCESS TO
SERVICE ADDITIONAL LOTS.
UPON A VOICE VOZ'E� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED TXE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. #81-07, BY L. ROBERT
�ub. #89 to ma e two uilding sites eac 6.
being 1239 and 1241 Norton Avenue N.E.
• Split Lot 6, Auditor's
�33.97 ft., the same
Mr. Boardman stated this whole district is presently zoned R-3, which is a multi-
family district. The homesites on the south are all duplex units. On Block 10
on the end of Norton Ave. on the corner of Old Central and Norton, there are 4-
unit structures. All the property in the Trico Addition is quad units. There
is a large tract of land just north, 1250 - 72nd Ave., which is presently open
land. There have been several proposals for multi-unit buildings on that piece
of land. At 1200 - 72nd Ave., there is an apartment building.
Mr. Boardman stated Mr. Erickson is proposing that Block 6 be split into two lots
and he will build two duplexes similar to the duplexes he built on the Norton Ave.
homesites. He is looking at two 66.5' x 133.97' lots. Mr. Erickson must also
apply to the Appeals Commission for variances. These variances will be for lot
width and lot area. Even though the property is zoned R-3, they must follow the
requirements for duplex zoning when putting a duplex in an R-3 zone. The width
requirement is 75', and the lot area requirement is 10,000 sq. ft. Mr. Erickson has
8,909 sq. �t. The building he is proposing will not require any setback variances
from the building itself. He is proposing 12 ft. on each side of the buildings
with tuck-under garages. - �
Mr. Boardman stated Mr. Erickson has talked to some of the neighbors and has '�
obtained five signatures of people in favor of two duplexes.
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Mr. Boardman stated the City usually does not notify the residents of lot splits.
.Sir�ce-there are some variances, they did note on the variance notices that went
out to the neighbors that the City was also considering a lot split request.
Therefore, they did notify the residents within 200 ft, of the property.
Mr. Oquist asked if anyone in the audience would like to speak to the item.
Ms. Carol Caldien, 1245 Norton Ave., stated they live next to this property.
She wondered if any consideration had been given to what i� is like to live on
a short dead-end street with the high density of people on one block. She stated
there is no place to park. There are always people parking in their driveway.
She stated it is like living in the city �lums and not in Fridley.
Mr. Allen Caldien, 1245 Norton Ave., stated that since the doubles were built
on that street, they have had nothing but problems. The street is just not big
enough to handle all the cars. They do not want to see two more doubles go in
next to them. He stated the people in the doubles have parties five nights a
week. He was sure that if the Planning Commission members checked the police
records, they would find that the police are called in a lot. They had their back
window shot out about a month ago.
� Ms. Gabel stated she did not recall seeing a dead-end street sign on that block.
There are some things that can be'done to help, and a street sign is one. Also,
maybe some additional lighting would help in that�area.
Mr. Oauist explained that additional street lighting could be requested through
a petition signed by the neighbors.
Mr. Saba asked if the neighborhood was involved in the neighborhood crime pre-
vention program.
Ms. Caldien stated it was not.
Mr. Oquist explained that since this property was already zoned R-3, a five unit
could be built if the lot split was not approved. So, either way, a multi-family
unit would be built because of the present zoning.
Ms. Gabel encouraged the neighbors to contact their councilman to talk about the
need for more street 1igMting and also to try to get into the City's crime
prevention program.
Mr. Saba stated he would much rather see two duplexes built there than a 5-plex.
He had looked at the neighborhood and felt duplexes would improve the appearance
of the neighborhood.
MOTION BY 1►�t. SABA, SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
^ APPROVAL OF LOT SPLIT REpUEST, L.S. �181-07� BY L. ROBERT ERICKSON: SPLIT LOT 6i
AUDITOR'S SUB. #89 TO MAKE TWO BUILDING SITES EACH 66.5 FT. BY 133.97 FT., THE
SAME BEING 1239 AND Z241 NORTON AVENUE N.E., CONDITIONED UPON APPEA7aS COMMISSIONpS
APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE -CHAZRPERSON OQUIST DECi.ARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Boardman stated this item would go to the Appeals Commission on August 25
and City Council on Sept. 28.
3. REVIEW OF CHAPTER 301, 302 AND 303 BY REQUEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL:
MOTION BY 1�LS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN, TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE END OF
THE AGENDA.
i7PON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECIlARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE JULY 9, 1981, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTIDN BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED BY l�t. KONDRICK,_TO RECEIVE THE JULY 9� 1981,
XOUSING & REDEVELOPMEIVT .�iJTli'ORITY MINUTES._'
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYEr VICE�GHAIRP�ON •OQt1ZS�1' DEC�ARED TIiE N1CY1'ION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5. RECEIVE JULY 21, 1981, ENVIRONNIENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: � �
MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO RECEIVE THE JULY 2Z� 1981�
ENVIRONMENTAL pUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTSNG AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON OpUIST DECLARED THE MOTIDN
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE JULY 28, 1981, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN, TO RECEIVE THE JULY 28, 198Z,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� YICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
7. RECEIVE JULY 28, 1981, ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY 1�2. SABA� SECONDED BY 1�5. GABEL� TO RECEIVE JULY 28� 198I,
ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON OpUIST DEC��JRED THE MOTION
CARItIED UNANIMOUSLY.
8. RECEIVE AUGUST 6, 1981, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
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MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN, SECOIVDED BY MS. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 6, 1981�
SUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES.
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Ms. van Dan stated�that on:pages 3-6 were the recommendations made by the Human
Resources Conmission to the Planning Commission and City Council on funding
-prop�sals.
Ms. Gabel asked if the Creative Play Center operated under the auspices of
Corianuni ty Educati on .
Ms. Muriel Sharpe, Creative Play Center, stated that approximately 5 years ago,
Community Education approached some parents and asked them to set up a parent
training program for other parents to be trained as group leaders for parent dis-
cussion groups on different topics. They began doing that for about a year.
After that year, they found there was a real need for a place where parents could
get together and have support groups among themselves. Because of the declining
enrollment in Fridley, many children do not have other children the same age to
play with in their neighborhoods. They then came up with the idea of a Creative
�Play Center.
Ms. Sharpe stated they went back to Community Education and asked them to help
with this endeavor. Comnunity Education.has helped by donating the room and some
of the utilities. She stated they do get a small amount of monies through
School District #14, but this is primarily a preschool account and it goes strictly
for parent training and parent discussion groups. She stated they are funded in
p�rt by Communit� Education, but the.bulk is in-kind services--the room, janitorial
services, administrative help, etc. The actual monetary amount is quite small.
Ms. Sharpe stated they do get help from many community and civic organizations.
Ms. Sharpe stated that approximately 150 families have taken out memberships.
Memberships are $20/yr./family. These families participate in parent/child
activities. Also a large number of the families participate in parent discussion
g roups and other activities.
Ms. Lee Carlson, Central Center for Family Resources, stated they do interact
with the Creative Play Center, and the representative from the Creative Play Center
is on their Program Advisory Board. The Central Center for Family Resources has
worked closely with the Creative Play Center in developing parent education classes,
in which there have been 200 participants over the last two years. She felt the
faGt that they do interact so cooperatively as agencies was a very positive type
of action.
Ms. Sharpe stated they "tailor-make" their program to fit the needs of the
�arents. It is a time set aside for the parent and child to interact together
and for children to interact with each other. With interruptions at home, this
time is not always taken. They also focus on parent education and have speakers
on different topics.
Ms. van Dan stated one concern of the Human Resources Commission was the lack of
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Ms. Sharpe stated their staff has received training in child development and
group leadership. She felt that the staff is well qualified for what they are
-doing, and that is acting as a resource for the parents to be directed to more
qualified people if there is a need.
Ms. Sharpe stated that 80� of the work is done on a volunteer basis, and their
budget is very low compared to other centers of this nature.
Ms. Lee Carlson, Central Center for Family Resources, stated that Fridley is
one of the cities that has been involved in the Central Center for Family
Resources' being and was a very much appreciated part of making this counseling
center possible. She stated that Anoka County is one of the few counties that
does not have a mental health center, and there is a shortage of low cost services
far people in the area who have counseling needs. Their center focuses on these
needs.
Ms. Carlson stated that 200 people have participated in their parent education
programs and over 585 people have participated in counseling.
Ms. Carlson stated that when they first came before Fridley, as well as the
cities of Blaine and Spring Lake Park, they were attempting to develop a funding
base that would make what they call a"shared responsibility", that is as �
broadly based as possible. They have succeeded in getting some help from the
State Juvenile Intervention Fund. This year is a very critical year for them,
because it is the first year the agency has received United Way funding, which
means they will be provisionally funded for two years and evaluted in Oct. 1982.
A decision will be made then as to whether to enter them into a permanent allo-
cation process.
Ms. Carlson stated she feels they are interacting very closely with the City of
Fridley. One Fridley policeman serves on the Program Advisory Board, and another
Fridley policeman is training to be a parent facilitator in the family education
program.
Ms. Carlson stated they refuse no one because of inability to pay. They operate
on a sliding fee scale based on a families' gross income. They also look at the
extenuating circumstances.
Ms. Carlson stated there does appear to be an increase in families who have
problems with violen�e. She stated their basic philosophy is trying to meet the
human needs. Coordinating with other people is very important because that is
how they avoid duplication.
Dr. Robert Baumer, Family Life Center, stated he is a psychiatrist and on staff
at Anoka State Hospital. They are located in Anoka, but have a satellite office
in Fridley. He stated they hope to become the area-wide comnunity mental health
center for Anoka County. They are organized as a comprehensive non-prafit
community mental health center. This organization developed out of his private �
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in-patient practice. He stated �hey provide services primarily to Anoka County
residents. Their clients primarily are people with severe mental and emotional
-health care problems. About 45% of their clients come from eastern Anoka County--
Blaine, Spring Lake Park, Fridley, Columbia Heights. The other 55% come from
Moka, Coon Rapids, and the Champlin area. Of those percentages, about 19-20%
are from Fridley, receiving primary services out of the Fridley office.
Dr. Baumer stated that regarding overlapping services, there are no overlapping
mental health services. They are the only mental health center in the area.
There are private psychiatric services in the area, but they are not operating
in a community mental health context. They do some counseling, and that is their
overlapping ar�a.
Ms, van Dan stated the Human Resources Commission had a concern, and that was
with the sliding fee scale. It is listed in the information that the Family Life
Center does operate on a sliding fee scale; however, when one Human Resources
Commission member telephoned Dr. Baumer's office, that person was informed that
there was a set fee and no sliding fee scale.
Dr. Baumer stated they have listed the sliding fee scale that Anoka County
established some years ago, but practical1y speaking, they do not use that. The
fee is negotiated privately when the patient sees the therapist, so each case is
'� handled individually. He stated clients in true need for services do receive
services.
Dr. Baumer stated they do interface with other agencies and do refer to other
agencies. �
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Mr. Oquist stated he did not understand why the need for a community mental health
center as opposed to a private practice.
Dr. Baumer stated that private practices do not operate in a community mental
health context. They operate mainly on a fee-for-service. The difference is that
the private practice does not see patients who need treatment but cannot afford
the services.
Ms. Gabel stated she would be concerned that someone who needs help and is
informed over the phone that there is no sliding fee, but a set fee, would not
receive the help that person needs.
Dr. Baumer stated that most patients are referred by physicians, and brochures
are distributed. They do not advertise that people can receive services for
nothing.
Mr. Treuenfels stated he 3s still concerned over the matter of,the telephone
call made by a Human Resources Cor�nission member. �There are also a couple of
other discrepancies he would like to bring up. One is the business of overlapping.
He has found that quite a bit of work being offered by �r.Baumer's clinic is also
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being offer�d by other agencies in Anoka County; however, Dr. Baumer stated
there was no substantial overlap. Dr. Baumer also mentioned charging $60/hr.,
_but the fee mentioned in the literature is $75/hr.
Mr. Treuenfels stated there are some very strange discrepancies, and both as a
n�ember of the Human Resources Comnission and as a private taxpayer, he would
strongly recommend that the Planning Comnission heed the Human Resources Commission's
re�commendation that no money be funded to the Family Life Center.
Mr. Boardman stated he is somewhat concerned that if this is a community service,
how that service is directed to serve the corronunity. Dr. Baumer has repeatedly
mentioned community mental health, but Mr. Boardman stated he still saw this
center as a private practice getting referrals from hospitals and physicians,
md he questioned where it tied into a community service and how it �s providing
a service to the community any differently than the private practice.
Dr. Baumer stated that regarding the $75/hr., that is the standard charge for
psychiatrists in the community, and the Center must keep their fees Eonsistent
with the community. They must do this for insurance purposes.
UPON A VOICE VOTE,.ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHI�IRPERSON �UIBT DECLARED TXE MINUTES
RECEIVED..
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MOTION BY MS . T�AN DAN, SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECOMI�IVD THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL CONCUR WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY TAE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION
FOR THE FIVE FUNDING REQUESTS AS WRITTEN IN THE AUG. 6� 1981, NUMAN RESOURCE5
COMMISSION MINUTES, PAGES 3-6. •
Mr. Saba stated he hoped the City Counci3: would be more informed about each
organization and its program than the Planning Commission members had been.
Ms. van Dan recommended that the City Council receive all the information the
Human Resources Commission has received.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL V017NG AYE, �7ICE-CHAIRPERSON OpUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Boardman stated this item would go to City Council on Sept. T4.
9. REVIEW OF CHAPTER 301, 302,� APID 303 BY REQUEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL:
�Mr. Boardman stated the City Council has been having problems with bunny hutches
�in the City, so they have decided to send all ordinances relating to animal
husbandry to the Planning Commission for review and make recommendations back
to the City Council. Mr. Boardman stated some of these ordinances are quite
old and probably should be upgraded and possibly combined into one ordinance.
He would recommend that the Commission members review these ordinances for the
next meeting. �
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1►lOTION BY 1�2. KONDRIQC, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO CONTINUE TEIS ITEM UNTIL
T SE a1EXT MEETING .
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, YlCE—CXAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARI22ED UNAIVIMOUSLY.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN, SECONDED BY MR. SABA, TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A
VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE—CAAIRPERSON OpUIST DECLARED THE AUGUST Z9, 1981,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:15 P.M.
Respectfully s bmitted,
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Re ording Secretary