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PL 12/09/1981 - 30566�, CITY OF F��DLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEET_ING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 CALL TO ORDER: �,. . � Chairman Harris called the December 9, 1981, Plat�ning Commission meeting. to order at 7:42 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Mr. Harris, Mr. Saba, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Svanda, Ms. van Dan, Ms. Hughes �for Mr. Kondrick) ` Members Absent: iNr. Oquist Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Bill Rogers, 3126 - 8th Ave. No., Anoka Don Bene, 5830 Monroe St. N.E. Dan Cook, 1623 Brenner Pass N.E. Frank & Lois Olson, 5431 West Brenner Pass N.E. Bob & Gayle Werner, 1639 Brenner Pass N.E. � Vince Forystek, ]301 S.E. 6th St. � Dennis Schneider, City Councilman APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 18, 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 18� 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRI?'Z'EN. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLAREfJ�THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #81-04, BY U BAN ENGI EERI G, INC., N SBR CK NOR 0 SES P : For Darre arr Corporation, eing a rep at of Bloc s 1, 3, 4 an 5, and Lot 1, Block 10, Innsbruck North Townhouses Plat 5, because the construction didn't follow the lot lines as platted, generally located north of I.694 between West Bavarian Pass and West Brenner Pass N.E. � MOTION BY MS. HUGHES� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO OPEN TFjE PUBLIC HEARING ON P.S. #81-04 BY SUBURBAN ENGINEERING, INC. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:45 P.M. Mr. Boardman stated this is a replat of Plat 5. Because the structures that ^ were bui]t did not necessarily fa17 within the plat line, they are now getting the structures and plat lines all lined up. This type of thing happens quite - often where the plat is actually the building itself. He stated Mr. Rogers from Suburban Engineering was in the audience to answer any questions. ,� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 2 Mr. Rogers stated that, as Mr. Boardman had explained, when the building was built, they overstaked the bualding line so that the plat lines and the building lines do not line up, so this is just a request for a replat. Mr. Dan Cook, 1623 Brenner Pass N.E., stated he owns Lots 3 and 11, which is Block 3 of Plat 5, He asked what affect the replat would have on the member- ship in the Townhouse Association. This is creating a new Plat 7 which is not officially recognized in the bylaws of the Association as being a part of the Association. By creating a new plat, are all the people involved in Plat 7 no longer a part of the Association? Mr. Rogers stated he could address that question. He stated he had heard that Mr. Farr and the County want to change it back to a replat of P3at 5. They would not cal] it Plat 7. It would be ca7led Innsbruch North Replat 5, so that wou7d take care of Mr. Cook's concern. Mr. Cook asked what affect the replat would have on everyone as far as the cost to individual homeowners, such as filing fees, surveys, abstracts, title insurance on the houses, etc. It was his concern,that the homeowners not get stuck with any fees. Mr. Boardman stated that as far as he knew, all this is being handled by Mr. Farr. � However, he suggested Mr. Cook get in touch with Mr. Farr to clarify that. Mr. Cook stated it would be nice to have something in writing from the Farr Corporation that says they will bear the entire cost of this. Mr. Harris stated that could be a stipulation on the recommendation of the replat. Mr. Frank Olson, 543] West Brenner Pass N.E., stated their garage is a foot off, so that will probably be considered when it is resurveyed. He stated that when they bought their house, the banker suggested they hold some money back in escrow, because they may have trouble selling the house. He asked if the home- owners will be notified when this matter is cleared up so they can give Mr. Farr the money. Mr. Boardman suggested the homeowners keep in touch with Mr. Farr. Once this passes the Ctity of Fridley, the Darrel Farr Corporation will be responsible for recording the replat at the County, and the City does not know when that is recorded. MOTION BY A?�2. SABA, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON P.S. #81-04 BY SUBURBAN ENGINEERING. UPON A VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 7:52 P.A?. � � PLANNING COMMISSION �EETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 3 MOTION BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL TXE APPROVAL OF THE CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. �81-04� BY SUBURBAN ENGINEERING, INC., INNSBRUCK NORTH TOWNHOIlSES REPLAT S,FOR DARREL FARR CORPORA— TION� BEING A REPLAT OF BLOCKS 1� 3� 4 AND 5� AND LOT .Z� BLOQC 10� INNSBRUCK NORTH TOWNHOUSES PLAT 5� BECAUSE TXE CONSTRUCTI0IV DID NOT FOLLOW TNE LOT LINES AS PI�ATTED, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF I.694 BETWEEN WEST BAVARIAN PASS AND WEST BRENNER PASS N.E.� WITH THE 5TIPULATION THAT ALL THE EXPENSES INCURRED BE BORN BY THE DARREL FARR CORPORATION. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTIOIV CA.RRIED a UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Harris stated that P.S. #81-04 would go to City Council on Jan. 11. He recommended that all interested parties be in attendance at that meeting, 2. DISCUSSION OF INTENT TO CREATE A CONVERSION CONDOMINIUM AT 1601 NORTH Mr. Boardman stated that the Darrel Farr Corporation has withdrawn their appli- cation for a license to create a conversion condominium. ,_, Ms. Gabel stated this is just the beginning, and she felt that now was the time for the City to undertake a study to determine what the renta] market is in the City. MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THE CITY UNDERTAKE A STUDY TO DETERMINE THE AVAILABILITY OF RENTAL HOUSING IN THE CZTY AND HOW CON�ININIUM CONVERSION MIGHT AFFECT IT. Ms. Gabe] stated she felt that the City does not know what the impact is going to be on the people who cannot afford to buy houses. Where are they going to go7 Ms. Hughes stated it seemed to her that condo conversion may be the only way some people can own a house in the near future. In that case, it may be some- thing they will want to.encourage. Conversion would certain7y take some potential apartments out of the low and moderate income renta7, if indeed the units are low and moderate income rental, She thought they have to encourage the saving of rental property that is for low and moderate incomes. Mr. Harris stated there are some definite advantages to condo conversion. even though most people look at the negative side. He stated it is probably the only way some low and moderate income people are going to be able to afford a housing unit, if it is a reasonable cost. From the City's standpoint, there are some advantages built into owner-occupied units. People who own their own unit usually have more pride, and there would probably be ]ess problems as far as vanda7ism and some of the other problems that go a7ong with apartment complexes. ^ There is generally also a higher tax base. - Ms. Hughes stated it is not only just families involved, there are also single adults who cannot afford to buy houses. P \ PLANNING CUMMISSION INEETING, DECEINBER 9, 1981 PAGE 4 UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN NARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 3. PROPOSED NEIGFIBORFIOODS AND NAMES FOR USE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN PROGRAM: Mr. Boardman stated there has always been a push to try to deve7op a more neighborhood-oriented or city-oriented type of feeling in Fridley. The first step was with the bikeway systems; the next step was looking at neighborhoods and neighborhood parks and the re7ationship between the neighborhoods and the z park facilities. He stated that a lot of time Fridley residents do not associate with Fridley and with the corronunity. The use of neighborhood signs is an attempt at developing a community-type of spirit. Mr. Boardman stated all the street signs in the City are being converted so that all street signs will have the Fridley logo. He stated the neighborhood signs would probably be located under the street signs by the key neighborhoods. It shouldn't be too expensive as the City does all its own signage. Ms. Gabel stated the idea of a community feeling was great, but she did not think signs were going to make that feeling happen. It also seemed like a waste of money. ,,� Mr. Harris stated he also kind of liked the idea. He thought the things the Cor�nission objected to the most was the color (red, white, and blue) and the current City logo design. Mr. Svanda stated he would want to know the actual cost of making these signs. Because of the money crunch, the City should be somewhat conscious of what things cost. Mr. Harris agreed that the Planning Commission should know the cost of the neighborhood signs, the cost to change over all the street signs, the approxi- mate locations of the neighborhood signs, and what job a city employee would be taken off in order to do this signage. Mr. Boardman stated he would get that information for the Commission. Mr. Svanda stated he totally objected to the whole idea. Even if the cost is only $50, he felt it was a waste of money. Ms. Hughes stated she felt the concept had some va7ue. There are some very identifable neighborhoods and everyone is consistent in the use of those names, such as Hyde Park, Sylvan Hills, Innsbruck North, Riverview Heights, etc. But, she did not think that was true for the whole city and places where there is a controversy on names. As the Parks and Recreation Commission tries to encourage the use of neighborhood parks, they do name and refer to some of these areas by the name of the parks, which may not be the best way of identifying � some of these areas, Maybe it would be good to establish some kind of use of � neighborhood names. � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 5 Mr. Saba stated he could see a lot of value in neighborhood identification, but he also did not know if neighborhood signs was the way to go about it. Ms. Hughes stated that, referring to the two options included in the agenda, she preferred Option 2. In Option 2, her neighborhood was Terrace Park and Meadowlands, which is the way that neighborhood naturally divides. Mr. Harris stated he also preferred Option 2. Regarding the current City logo design, Mr. Saba suggested they have a city- wide contest in order to come up with a new city logo. MOTION BY MS. H�GHES, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THE CITY RUN A CONTEST IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A NEW CITY LOGO. Ms. Hughes stated a contest would help develop a sense of community. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN AARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 4. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 5, 1981, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: � � 1JOTION BY MS. VAN DAN� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 5� 1981� XUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 5. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 10, 198], COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MS. HUGNES� SECONDED BY �2. SABA� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 10, 1981, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIOIV MINUTES: UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 6. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 12, 1981, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES: MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 12, .Z981, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN XARRIS DECLARED TXE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 7. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 17, 1981, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: � MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA, TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER .I7� Z981, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES. UPON A VDICE VOATE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTIOIV CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 6 ^ 8. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 17, 1981, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MR. SVANDA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 17, 1981, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTE5. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 9. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 19, 1981, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY PUBLIC HEARING 1NINUTES: MOTION BY MR. SABA, SECONDED BY 1�2. GABEL, TO RECEIVE THE NOVEINBER Z9� 1981, HOUSING & REDEVELOPINENT AUTHORITY PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRMAN HARRIS DEC&ARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 10. OTHER BUSINESS: Mr. Harris stated the continuing problem with massage parlours in the City has been called to his attention. He stated he felt the Planning Commission should reconsider and discuss again the section in the Zoning Code regarding massage parlours and discuss the possibility of specifical7y laying out an area or �"� standards by which they can control the location of massage parlours. He would like the Planning Commission members to think about it and they could discuss it at a future meeting. ADJOURNMENT: MOTIOP BY 1NR. SABA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE DECEMBER 9� 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:18 P.M. RESPECTFULLY SUB TTED, ,� �`�,�.� RECOS A RDING SECRETARY �"�