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6dEDSdESDAY, JANL;ARY 6, 19�2
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City of Fridley
AGENDA
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETI�JG WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6, 1982
CALL TO OR�ER:
ROLL CALL:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEP16ER 9, 1981
7:30 P.M.
1. REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. #81-08, BY SERVOMATION CORPORA-
TION: Split off the East 263.96 feet of the North 330 feet of
the SE 1/4 of the NW 1/4 of Section 12, T-30, R-24, subject
to the South 25 feet taken for 74th Avenue N.E. (fireside �rive)
so the property can be sold, the same being 1201 Fireside Drive
N.E.
2. RECEIVE ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEMBER 24, 1981
3. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 1,
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4. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 3, 1981 SALPION
5. RECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 8, PINK
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AUTHORITY
7. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 15, 1981
8. OTHER BUSINESS:
ADJOURNMENT:
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Harris called the December 9, 1981, Planning Commission meeting
to order at 7:42 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Harris, Mr. Saba, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Svanda, Ms. van Dan,
Ms. Hughes (for Mr. Kondrick)
Members Absent: Mr. Oquist
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Bill Rogers, 3126 - 8th Ave, No., Anoka
Don Bene, 5830 Monroe St. N,E.
Dan Cook, 1623 Brenner Pass N.E.
Frank & Lois Olson, 5431 West Brenner Pass N.E.
Bob & Gayle Werner, 1639 Brenner Pass N.E.
Vince Forystek, 7301 S.E. 6th St.
Dennis Schneider, City Councilman
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 18, 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 18� 1985�
PLANNZNG COMMISSZON MINUTES AS WRZTTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TNE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #81-04, BY
SUBU BAN ENGI EERING, INC., INNSBRUCK NOR 0 NHOUSES PLAT : or
Darre Farr Corporation, being a replat of Bloc s 1, 3, 4 an 5, and Lot 1,
Block 10, Innsbruck North Townhouses Plat 5, because the construction
didn't follow the lot lines as platted, generally located north of I.694
between West Bavarian Pass and West Brenner Pass N.E.
MOTION BY MS. HUGHES� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARZNG ON
P.S. $8Z-04 BY SUBURBAN ENGINEERING� INC.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING
OPEN AT 7:45 P.M.
Mr. Boardman stated this is a replat of Plat 5. Because the structures that
were built did not necessarily fa71 within the plat line, they are now getting
the structures and plat lines ali lined up. This type of thing happens quite
often where the plat is actually the building itself. He stated Mr. Rogers from
Suburban Engineering was in the audience to answer any questions.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 2
Mr. Rogers stated that, as Mr. Boardman had explained, when the building was
built, they overstaked the building line so that the plat lines and the
building lines do not line up, so this is just a request for a replat.
Mr. Dan Cook, 1623 Brenner Pass N.E „ stated he owns Lots 3 and 11, which is
Block 3 of Plat 5. He asked what affect the replat would have on the member-
ship in the Townhouse Association, This is creating a new Plat 7 which is not
officially recognized in the bylaws of the Association as being a part of the
Association. By creating a new plat, are all the people involved in Plat 7
no longer a part of the Association?
Mr. Rogers stated he could address that question. He stated he had heard that
Mr. Farr and the County want to change it back to a replat of P3at 5. They
would not call it Plat 7. It would be called Innsbruch North Replat 5, so
that would take care of Mr. Cook's concern.
Mr. Cook asked what affect the replat would have on everyone as far as the
cost to individual homeowners, such as filing fees, surveys, abstracts, title
insurance on the houses, etc. It was his concern.that the homeowners not get
stuck with any fees.
Mr. Boardman stated that as far as he knew, all this is being handled by Mr. Farr.
However, he suggested Mr. Cook get in touch with Mr. Farr to clarify that.
Mr. Cook stated it would be nice to have something in writing from the Farr
Corporation that says they will bear the entire cost of this.
Mr. Harris stated that could be a stipulation on the recommendation of the
replat.
Mr. Frank Olson, 5437 West Brenner Pass N.E., stated their garage is a foot off,
so that will probably be considered when it is resurveyed. He stated that when
they bought their house, the banker suggested they hold some money back in
escrow, because they may have trouble selling the house. He asked if the home-
owners will be notified when this matter is cleared up so they can give Mr. Farr
the money.
Mr. Boardman suggested the homeowners keep in touch with Mr. Farr. Once this
passes the City of Fridley, the Darrel Farr Corporation will be responsible for
recording the replat at the County, and the City does not know when that is
recorded.
MOTION BY MR. SRBA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
P.S. �81-04 BY SUBURBAN ENGINEERING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING
CLOSED AT 7:52 P.M,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 3
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA� TO RECOMMEND TO CZTY COUNCIL TXE
APPROVAL OF THE CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT� P.S. #81-04� BY SUBURBAN
ENGINEERING, INC., INNSBRUCK NORTH TOWNHOUSES REPLAT S,FOR DARREL FRRR CORPORA-
TION; BEING A REPLAT OF BLOCKS 2� 3� 4 AND 5� AND LOT 1� BLOCK 10� INNSBRUCK
NORTH TOWNHOUSES PLAT 5� BECRUSE THE CONSTRUCTION DZD NOT FDLLOW THE ZAT LINES
AS PLATTED, GENERALLY IACATED NORTH OF I.694 BETWEEN WEST BAVARIAN PASS AND
WEST BRENNER PASS N.E.� WITH THE STZPULATION THAT RLL THE EXPENSES INCURRED
BE BORN BY THE DARREL FRRR CORPORRTIDN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN XARRIS DECLRRED THE MOTION CARRIED
� UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Harris stated that P.S. #81-04 would go to City Council on Jan, 11. He
recommended that all interested parties be in attendance at that meeting.
2. DISCUSSION OF INTENT TO CREATE A CONVERSION CONDOMINIUM AT 1601 NORTH
Mr. Boardman stated that the Darrel Farr Corporation has withdrawn their appli-
cation for a license to create a conversion condominium.
Ms. Gabel stated this is just the beginning, and she felt that now was the time
for the City to undertake a study to determine what the rental market is in the
City.
MOTIDN BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THRT
THE CZTY UNDERTAICE A STUDY TO DETERMINE THE AVAILABILZTY OF RENTAL HOUSING IN
THE CITY AND HOW CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION MIGHT AFFECT IT.
Ms. Gabel stated she felt that the City does not know what the impact is going
to be on the people who cannot afford to buy houses. Where are they going to go?
Ms. Hughes stated it seemed to her that condo conversion may be the only way
some people can own a house in the near future. In that case, it may be some-
thin9 they will want to encourage. Conversion would certain7y take some potential
apartments out of the low and moderate income rental, if indeed the units are
low and moderate income rental, She thought they have to encourage the saving
of rental property that is for low and moderate incomes.
Mr. Harris stated there are some definite advantages to condo conversion, even
though most people look at the negative side. He stated it is probably the only
way some low and moderate income people are going to be able to afford a housing
unit, if it is a reasonable cost. From the City's standpoint, there are some
advantages buiit into owner-occupied units. Peop7e who own their own unit
usually have more pride, and there would probably be less problems as far as
vanda7ism and some of the other problems that go along with apartment complexes.
There is generally also a higher tax base.
Ms. Hughes stated it is not only just families involved, there are a]so single
adults who cannot afford to buy houses.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 4
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HRRRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
3. PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOODS AND NAMES FOR USE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN PROGRAM:
Mr, Boardman stated there has always been a push to try to develop a more
neighborhood-oriented or city-oriented type of feeling in Fridley. The first
step was with the bikeway systems; the next step was looking at neighborhoods
and neighborhood parks and the relationship between the neighborhoods and the
park facilities. He stated that a lot of time Fridley residents do not associate
' with Fridley and with the community. The use of neighborhood signs is an attempt
at developing a community-type of spirit.
Mr. Boardman stated all the street signs in the City are being converted so that
all street signs will have the Fridley logo. He stated the neighborhood signs
would probably be located under the street signs by the key neighborhoods. It
shouldn't be too expensive as the City does all its own signage.
Ms, Gabel stated the idea of a community feeling was great, but she did not
think signs were going to make that feeling happen. It also seemed like a waste
of money.
Mr. Harris stated he also kind of liked the idea. He thought the things the
Commission objected to the most was the color (red, white, and blue) and the
current City logo design.
Mr. Svanda stated he would want to know the actual cost of making these signs.
Because of the money crunch, the City should be somewhat conscious of what things
cost.
Mr. Harris agreed that the Planning Commission should know the cost of the
neighborhood signs, the cost to change over all the street signs, the approxi-
mate locations of the neighborhood signs, and what job a city employee would be
taken off in order to do this signage.
Mr. Boardman stated he would get that information for the Commission.
Mr. Svanda stated he totally objected to the whole idea. Even if the cost is
only $50, he felt it was a waste of money.
Ms. Hughes stated she felt the concept had some value. There are some very
identifable neighborhoods and everyone is consistent in the use of those names,
such as Hyde Park, Sylvan Hills, Innsbruck North, Riverview Heights, etc.
But, she did not think that was true for the whole city and places where there
is a controversy on names. As the Parks and Recreation Corr¢nission tries to
encourage the use of neighborhood parks, they do name and refer to some of
these areas by the name of the parks, which may not be the best way of identifying
some of these areas. Maybe it would be good to establish some kind of use of
neighborhood names.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 5
Mr. Saba stated he could see a lot of value in neighborhood identification,
but he also did not know if neighborhood signs was the way to go about it.
Ms. Hughes stated that, referring to the two options included in the agenda,
she preferred Option 2. In �ption 2, her neighborhood was Terrace Park and
Meadowlands, which is the way that neighborhood naturally divides.
Mr. Harris stated he also preferred Option 2.
Regarding the current City logo design, Mr. Saba suggested they have a city-
wide contest in order to come up with a new city logo.
MOTION BY MS. HUGHES� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT
THE CITY RUN A CONTEST IN ORDER TO DEVEIAP A NEW CITY LOGO.
Ms. Hughes stated a contest would help develop a sense of community.
UPON R VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE, CHRIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TXE MOTION CRRRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 5, 1981, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. VRN DAN� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 5� 198I�
XUMAN RESDURCES COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAZRMAN XARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNRNIMOUSLY.
5. RECEIUE NOVEMBER 10, 1981, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUT
MOTION BY MS. HUGNES� SECONDED BY FII2. SABA, TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER I0, I981,
COMMUNSTY DEVELOPMENT COMMZSSION MINUTES:
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE NOUEMBER 12, 1981, HOUSING & REUEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 12, 198I,
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING AYE� CXAZRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
7, RECEIVE NOVEMBER 17, ]981, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GRBEL� SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA� TO RECEIVE SHE NOVEMBER 17� Z981�
APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOATE� RLL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMRN HARRIS DECLARED TXE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1981 PAGE 6
8. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 17, 1981, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. SVANDA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 17, 1981,
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALZTY COMMISSION MZNUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE� CHRIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CRRRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
9. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 19, 1981, HOUSING & RE
AUTHORITY PUBLIC
MOTION BY MR. SRBA� SECONDED BY hII2. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 19� 1981�
HOUSING 6 REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES.
UPON R VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING RYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOSION CARRZED
UNRNZMOUSLY.
10, OTHER BUSINESS:
Mr. Harris stated the continuing problem with massage parlours in the City has
been cal7ed to his attention. He stated he felt the Planning Commission should
reconsider and discuss again the section in the Zoning Code regarding massage
parlours and discuss the possibility of specifically laying out an area or
standards by which they can control the location of massage parlours. He would
]ike the Planning Commission members to think about it and they could discuss it
at a future meeting.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. SRBA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A
VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING RYE� CHAIRMAN HARRZS DECLARED THE DECEMBER 9� 2981�
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:28 P.M.
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ADDRESS: �� � � �,��.eC-� DATE:
PLANNING CONu�iISSION: APPROUED _ �7ISAfPROVED DA'TE_�- �o -b��' NO I
CI7Y COUNCIL: APPROVED DISAPPROVED_ DATE /—i�-�y N0.
PAP.K FEE REQUIREO:
STIPULATIONS:
NAME
AMOUNT
PAID
F'EE �� � RECEIPT N0�
PROPERTY OWNER(S) Servom�tion Comoration TCLEP}IOPaE NO �Rn-�Ran
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ADDRESS(ES)_ 7490 Central Ave. N.E. _
PRt�PERTY LOCATION ON STREET Fireside Drive (74th St.)
of f6e Wes 863. b ee
LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY The East 263.96 feet of the North 330 feet of the_Si.
; of the Pd.W. ; of Section 12, Ztxansnio 3�, Raxige �, Anok„a��un�y, Minne$ota. _ Subject
TCTAL AREA 0� PROPERTY 263.99 X 305.0�80 25 7�l�g. Ft PH[SEtdT ZOhi�G ���_
REASON FOR LOT SPLIT
The undarsig:ied her2by declares that all the facts and representations stated in this
application are true and r_orrect.
DATE:
tJOTICE:
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A sketch ct the property and the pr'dposed lot
tures siic�;vr� sl�oulr acccmpa!,y t.his application.
{See revers� side for aciditional ins±ructions)
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1981 POLICY STATEMENT OP� PARK fEES
ON LAND SUBDIVISION
" Date iz_.o—B�
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In determining fair market value of public areas for land subdivision for
cash payment, as required by Ordinance 633, the following values wiTl be used:
Residential subdivision b1,000.00 per lot
Residential lot split � 500.00 per lot
Commercial/Industrial subdivision or lot splits � 0.015 per sq. ft. ��
This fee is to be paid at the time of final plat or lot split approval. The
City Council may defer collection to the time a building permit is requested
for individual lots created by such subdivision/lot split.
The City retains the option to accept an equivalent amount in cash from the
applicant for part or all of the portion required to be dedicated.
PARK FEE AGREEMENT
The undersigned understands that according to the City Platting Ordinance,
the following public park land dedication is required to plat residential,
commercial or industrial zoned property.
It is further understood that the public park land dedication or cash payment
equivalent is at the discretion of the City.
It is agreed that a cash payment of �!a 07.9/ will be paid according to the
above stated policy for the following subdivision/lot split.
It is agreed that the following land dedication is provided according to the
above stated policy for the following subdivisio�(lot split:
Dedication:
Subdivision/lot split:
The undersigned further agrees to notify
of the cash payment requirement, if it is
building permit.
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all future property owners or assigns
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
ENERGY CONTIISSION
MEETING
N04EMBER 24, 19B1
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Saba called the November 24, i981, Energy Commission meeting to order
at 8:00 p.m.
# ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Members Absent
Others Present
Dean Saba, Don Wall, 6iles McConville
Bill Wharton, Jerry Cichosz
Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 27, 1981, ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. WALL. SECONDED BY MR. McCONV2LLE, TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 27� 1981,
ENERGY COMMISSSON MINUTES A5 WRITTEN. �
UPON A VOICfi VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE MOTION CARRZED
UNANTMOUSLY. � �
1. CONTINUED: COMMISSION GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
Mr. Deblon stated he had a copy of the City of Austin's "Plan for Austin to
Conserve Energy".
Mr. Wall stated the plan seemed to have a lot of very good base information, and
he would appreciate it if Staff would make copies of it for the Commission members.
Mr. Deblon stated he had discussed the Commission's goals and objectives with
Mr.Boardman, and it seemed like the proper direction was to go back to the Energy
Comnission's guidelines that were adopted by City Council, use them as guide-
lines and then come up w�th an action program, shaping it into goals and objectives.
Mr. Saba stated he had atso referred to the Energy Project Comnittee's energy
poticy.
The Commission members discussed a goal of "20% Energy Conservation by City
Government Operations".
Mr. Wall stated he was in favor of the potential of energy reduction in the City
being established by the employees themselves, with some consultation. The City
itself could aim for 20% in energy conservation, but the percentages may be
different in different departments.
ENERGY COhA1ISSI0N MEETING, NOVEMBER 24, 1981 PAGE 2
Mr. Wall stated it came down to the following questions: How much fuel or energy
is the City using and for what7 Who is responsible for using it? What kinds of
things can be done? What kinds of opportunities are there? Who is going to be
responsible for setting those goals, and who is responsib]e for implementing
those goals? He stated the one thing they do not have is a consistent, available
data base. The mechanism is there, but there is nothing the Co�nission can do
about it.
Mr. Deblon stated that, to follow up on the maxi-audits, he is trying to collect
data on the energy consumption (electrical and gas) for the Civtc Center and the
Fire Station. He stated he would have some 6ase data for the December Commission
meeting.
Mr. Deblon stated he felt the Commission's first goal should be to establish a
data base.
Mr. Wall stated that it seemed the secand thing after establishing the data base
would be to analyze that data and analyze opportunities.
Mr. Saba outlined the following draft for Goal #1:
GOAL
1. 20� Energy
Conservation
by City Gvt.
Operations
OBJECTI4ES
i. Set an example
for the City of
Fridley community
to conserve energy,
2. Use planning and
programs within
the City govern-
ment to promote
conservation
efforts.
ACTION
1. Establish a manual
accounting system.
2. identify prime
opportunities to
conserve through
audits and available
data.
3, Estab]ish project
comnittee to review
priority items.
4. Establish inter-
departmental motiva-
tion to conserve
energy, i,e., awards
to depar.tments.
TIMETABLE
5. Publicity within City
on reduction eff�rt.
9Q days
6. Determine who is responsi-
ble and accountable for
energy savings by dept.
7. Determine who authorizes
energy usage (energy
budget planningj
ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 24, 1981 PAGE 3
Mr. Wall stated that for the residential sector, the only real goal is motivation--
not just awareness. What are those things the City can do to motivate people
to want to conserve energy? Should the City of Frid7ey get into the business of
financing energy for its citizens? Would the City want to get involved in energy
audits?
Mr. Debton stated the City could send a staff inember(s) t� the House Doctor Program
for training and then coordinate that through the Neighborhood Crime Prevention
Program. Along with that are the financing tools. He stated there are very few
Comnunity Development Block Grant monies earmarked for energy at this time. There
are also bonds--general obligation or revenue bonds, which are low interest and
longer term. General �bligation bonds require a referendum. He stated he thought
it was something that should be 9tudied.
Mr. 5aba outlined the following draft for Goa7 #2:
GOAL
ACTION
2, Residential Energy 7. Send City Staff (selected)
Conservation Awareness to House Doctor Program
and to Reduce Energy for energy audit and conserva-
Usage by 20% tion opportunities. Expansion
of program through City Crime
Preventian Program.
Bonding Program for energy
conservation loans.
Create a group purchasing plan
for insulation and energy
conservation materials.
Mr. Wall stated that he felt Industrial Energy Conservation should also be a goal.
2. CONTINUED: REPORT ON STQP SIGN STU�Y
Mr. Saba stated that at the last meeting, the Energy Commission made a motion
recommending that the City Council direct Stafif to do a feasibility study on the
removal of all stop signs installed for the purpose of controlling traffic speed
and the replacement of these stop signs with 25 m.p.h, speed zone signs. He
stated the Planning Commission approved and supported this motion enthusiastically,
and this recommendation has gone on to City Council.
3. CONTINUED: UTILITY LOANS PROGRAM
Mr. Deblon stated that Minnegasco and NSP do not have a utility loans program for
Fridley at this time.
ENERGY COMMI55ION MEETING NOVEMBER 24, l98] PAGE 4
4. 07HER BUSINESS:
Mr. Deblon stated the Environmental Quality Comnission and the League of Women
Voters will be viewing the video tape presentation, "The Forgotten Fundamentals
of the Energy Crisis" at the Fr9dley Library on Dec. 15. The pub7ic is invited.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTIDN BY MR, WALL, SECONDED BY MR. McCONVILLE, TO ADJOIJRN THE MEETSNG. UPON A
VOZCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE NOVEMBER 24, I981,
ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING RL170URNED AT 20:07 P.M.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
SB
RECORDING SECRETARY
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING
DECEMBER 1, 1981
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Kondrick called the December 1, 1981, Parks & Recreation Corronission
meeting to order at 7:35 p.m,
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Dave Kondrick, Barbara Hughes, Dick Young, Qan Allen (arr. 8:05 p.m.),
Jan Seeger (arr. 8:20 p.m.�
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks 8 Recreation Director
Dave Torkildson - Anoka County Park Department
Donna Bowman, Lakeside Park Commission
APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 19, 1981, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTSON BY MR. YOUNG, SSCONDED BY MS, HUGHES� TO RPPROVE THE OCTOBh'R 19� 298Z,
PARKS & RECREATION COIdMISSZON MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICS VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CfIAI.RPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
Mr, Kondrick requested that Ms. Donna Bowman and Mr. Dave Torkildson be put first
on the agenda, with the "Director's Report" being the last item on the agenda.
MOTION BY MR. YOUNG� SECONDED BY MS. XUGHES� TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK D$CLARED TSE MOTION CAR22IED
UNANIMOUSLY.
1. NEW BUSINESS:
a. Lakeside Park Commission - Donna Bowman
Ms. Bowman stated she was at the meeting to inform the Fridley Parks &
Recreation Corrrnission abnut a possible boat landing on Spring Lake,
which would be a cooperative effort among Ramsey County, Moundsview,
and Spring Lake Park. She stated that since Fridley owned a small piece
PARKS & RECREA7ION COMMISSI�N MEETING DECEMBER 1, 1981 PAGE 2_
of land on the north end of the lake, the Lakeside Park Commission
thought Fridtey should be informed.
Ms. Bowman stated they are hoping to get the boat ramp funded through
the Department of Natural Resources. They do not know if they will
get this money or not. She stated she will keep the Parks & Recreation
Cor�nission informed as the plan progresses.
2. OLD BUSINESS:
a. Report on tocke Park Bikeway/Walkwa�and other Future Improvements -
Mr. Torkildson stated that, as the Comnission knew, they only have
funds available for the hiking trail at the present time. He stated
that, to date, Park Construction has the contract, and Park Construction
has cut in all the hiking trails. They have not put the wood chips on
the trails yet. The bridge abutments have all been put in place.
Mr. Torkildson stated he had addressed the Commission's concerns as
expressed in their Oct. 19, 1981, minutes, in a letter to Chairperson Kondric
dated Nov. 5, 1981. He stated thai, regarding the concern about not
cutting the grass on the open area to the south of Rice Creek, they are
following the open area with a trail and would like to reforest a good
portion of the area and put the trail back into the wooded area. Up until
this time, the City of Fridley has always cut the grass in this area.
With no ballfield areas back there, he had a hard time justifying the
expense of cutting the grass.
Mr. Torkildson stated he has talked to Terry Merriman about reforesting
some of this area and possibly coming to some kind of compromise by
allowing some of the area for use by the residents. Mr. Torkildson stated
Mr. Merriman seemed to think that would be satisfac#ory.
(Mr. Allen arrived at 8:05 p.m.)
Mr. Torkildson stated the County is talking about changing the main
entrance and the park road into the park, so there would be only one
entrance to Locke Park. This would probably mean moving the present
horseshoe courts, but they have not made any decision about that yet.
They have discussed it with Dr. Boudreau and the Horseshoe Club about
the possibility of moving the courts. They will work out the best
location with the Horseshoe Club.
Mr. Torkildson stated that since the Commission last met, NSP has come
in under an easement the City of Fridley gave them and cut out an 80-ft.
swath through the existing picnic area and along the Creek to their .
substation on Highway 65 in order to install high voltage lines. With
that in mind, the whole area will be cleared. They have talked to NSP
to see if the County cou7d construct a roadway underneath the high
wires for the new entrance. It would also give them additional parking
so the entire area would be used,
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 1 1981 PAGE 3
Mr. Torkildson stated they have also discussed moving the existing
picnic she7ter as they are concerned about it remaining under the high
voltage power lines. He stated they have not come to any conclusion
on thai yet.
Mr. Torkildson stated the County will continue to do whatever they
can to prevent any erosion on the trails where there is the danger of
erosion.
Ms. Hughes stated she was concerned about the width of the trails,
especially in the areas where they are located by streets or alongside
a ditch.
Mr. Torkildson stated he would also like to see the trails less than
8 ft., but then they would not be providing the width the State recommends.
He would also be concerned about liability if the trails were only 6 ft.
wide.
(Ms. Seeger arrived at 8:20 p.m.)
Ms: Hughes asked Mr. Torkildson what the County has done and what they
will be doing in the park.
Mr. Torkildson stated the County has cut the grass and done general
maintenance, provided park surveillance by park rangers, painted the
sheiter, repiaced diTapidated picnic tables and grills, and put some
signs up. This coming year they will again have a full-time person
available for general maintenance of the park area and, in addition,
they will have a part-time person to help in cleaning and maintaining
the new trail system. He stated they plan to make a new entrance and
road into the park, with a one-way street coming in and a one-way street
going out, with a parking lot. They also plan to move the horseshoe
courts.
Ms. Hughes stated one thing she keeps hearing is "when the City Council
approves this Plan". What she would like the Commission to do is
recommend to City Council those things the City Council should approve,
but there are also some things the City Council should not consider for
approval in this plan. She stated one thing that should not be approved
is the location of what is called a"future shelter". That should not
be considered for approval at this point until they see a plan, what
it looks like, and where the specific location would be. She stated it
is stil] the City's park, and the City should know where that shelter
would be located. The same �hing applies to the horseshoe courts. The
City really ought to know where those courts are going to go. The City
has the right to say, "no", if the County proposes to put those courts
in a place where they shouldn't be.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 1, 1981 PAGE 4
Ms. Hughes stated she thought that at this meeting, the Commission was just
going to get a report from Mr, Torkildson on what the County had done
in the way of maintenance, look at the County's plans for the park,
and see what is going to happen in terms of a maintenance plan for 1982.
If the Commission is being asked to give approva7 or tentative approval
to this plan, then she thought the Commission should be very specific
about what they are approving.
Mr. Torkildson stated it would be nice to have an agreement with the
Parks & Recreation Commission on whatever they are going to present to
the City Council. However, in the Joint Powers Agreement, it states
that the County must present changes to the City Council for approval.
Even if the Parks & Recreation Commission does not approve it, they will
still go to City Council.
�r. Boudreau stated the horseshoe courts are the City's responsibility
according to the Joint Powers Agreement. That is part of the cooperation.
The City and the County share and try to work out things together.
Ms. Hughes stated that part of her concern is in being able to see the
engineering drawings, particularly in terms of the hiking trail. By
looking at the drawings, they can see where it is going and they have the
opportunity to recommend changes.
Mr. Torkildson stated that as far as the shelter goes, they are not going
to jump right into putting it in place. They do not even have any
money available for it. Regarding the moving of the existing shelter
under the high wires, he could n�t tell the Commission right now where
it is going to go, because they have not even decided whether it will be
moved, When they make that decision, he will inform the Commission.
Dr. Boudreau stated that if the County decides that the shelter should
be moved, that doesn't mean it has to be moved and stay within Locke Park,
It could be moved to another park.
Ms. Hughes stated her concerns stem from the fact that she has gone
through some meetings like this where the Commission has looked at some-
thing, and then never had another opportunity to say anything about it.
She did not want that to happen in this case.
Mr. Torkildson stated they will not do anything at all in the park, other
than the hiking trail that has already been approved by the City Council,
until they talk to some of the people who are affected. He will bring
that information back to th� Commission; however, it is their responsi-
bility, according to the Joint Powers Agreement, to take the plan to the
City Council before they even start anything.
Mr. Kondrick stated he did not really disagree with any of the County's
plans, other than the concern that everything be done in a"class A" way.
However, the Co�nission members would like to be kept informed as to what
is going on, so they can answer questions from the citizenry.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING L DECEMBER l, 1981 PAGE 5
Mr. Torkildson stated he had no problem with that. He felt they were
working with the City, and he personally felt they were communicating
with City Staff. But, he had no problem with bringing information back
to the Commission after they make some decisions and see what NSP is
going to do. They would very much like to have the Parks & Recreation
Comnission's approval on these things. He felt it was to his benefit to
have a park coimnission, such as Fridley's, making suggestings and changes
so that the County and th� City can come together on what they want
City Council to approve.
Mr. Torkildson stated that anytime the Commission members have any
questions, they are weicome to give him a cali.
Mr. KondriCk. thanked Mr. Torkildson for coming and talking to the
Commission.
Dr. Boudreau stated that the plans for Locke Park are available in the
Parks & Recreation Department.
3. DIRECTOR'S REPORT:
a. M R P A State Conference - Dec. 2-3, Ramada Inn St. Paul
Dr. Boudreau stated the Comnission members had received information on
this conference in the mail. He stated he would encourage the Commission
members to attend some of the sessions if they could. He stated he will
not be attending, but Connie McMillion and Jack Kirk will be attending.
b. M.R.P.A. National Conference Report:
Dr. Boudreau stated that Ms. Hughes attended the conference. She had
asked that this be put on the agenda so that she could give a brief
report.
Ms. Hughes stated the conference was both interesting and informative.
She stated one of the interesting things she heard, and also saw in some
instances, was that p�rks have too many tennis courts or there are too
many tennis courts in park systems. She stated this surprised her as
she had never heard it before.
Ms. Hughes stated she attended a session about recreation for the middle
age people. She wanted to see what the professianal thinking was about
this area. One thing that came out was that the professiona7s had
noticed that many recreational programs do not include any programming
for middle age--the people who have money and are working, in most
instances. There were no decisions in terms of whether they want to or
could program for that age group. She stated she did not really get
any concrete inforniation to bring back to the Commission or the City,
but if that age group is going to be an area from which the City is
going to need some support, they need to think more about progra�ning
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 1, 1981 PAGE 6
for that age group. It was her personal feeling that the City of
Frid7ey does program for that age group in terms of providing passive
recreational-types of things. However, there may be other people in
that age group who wish more active programming.
Ms. Hughes stated she did attend an interesting session on liability,
sex discrimination, and other kinds of protections for parks and
recreation districts. She stated she had some notes on this she would
like to give to Dr. Boudreau, as there was some very good information
in that session.
c. Information on Comnunity Recreation Center
Dr. Boudreau stated he had met with City Council the evening before to
discuss the proposed comnunity recreation center. He stated that at
the Saturday meeting in P�ovember there was a great deal of excitement
among the Council members and they were anxious to qet a referendum
going. However, there was serious concern about the timing with the
current econo�ic situation, etc. Ne stated that at the meetina the
night before, he told the Council that if they felt is was definitely
the wrong time to do it, �aybe the project should be put on the shelf
for awhile.
Dr. Boudreau stated he was coming to the Comnission members to get their
true feelings on what they feel should be done about the corrmunity
recreation center before the City goes to a lot of expense and work to
put this on the ballot. He stated that, last night, the Council did
consent to a feb. 16 referendum date, and they did consent to a referendum
amount of $4.85 million. That would include the building and would
include the four spa�es beneath the auditorium.
Dr. Bourdreau stated that if the decision was made to go ahead with the
referendum, they have out together an information sheet they would
like to inc]ude in the�Parks & Recreation winter brochure. They would
supply this information to the booster group (about 20 people who want
to work on pro�oting the center). He stated fie has also gone to cable
TV with the architect, Jack Hanson (Co-Chairperson of the Cor!enunity
Recreation Building tJeeds Assessment Corianittee), Councilman Bob Barnette
(representing his personal views and his views as a councilman), and
Jack Kirk, to define how the center might define or add to the City's
programs. He stated he v�as scheduled on Wednesday for the last segment
with Sid Inman, Director of Centrai Services, to talk about the fina�ces
and how it will affect Fridl@y taxoayers. fle stated the tape will be
about one hour long. 7he cable TV people have a9reed to run it five
times through the month of January. The first showing will be on
December 29.
Dr. Boudreau stated th�t, again, if the deciSion is Made to go with the
referendum, he v�ould like to develop a very short, brief inessage from the
Commission and the City Council stating that they urge the people of
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 1, 1981 PAGE 7
Fridley to be informed, to vote, and to look at the impact the community
recreation center will have on the City. When this letter is developed,
he stated he would bring it to the Comnission.
Dr. Bourdreau stated the City Council has taken the stand that they
wish to privide voters with complete facts about the center, however
the booster member�. should.do any "selTing" that took piace. He stated
he asked the City �ouncil specifically if they had any objections to
Staff promoting the benefits of the facility and what is might do for
� Mr. Kondrick stated he has had a lot of negative feedback from people
on what the facility is going to cost. They seem to be abTe to handle
the fact that it is going to cost them so much to build the facility,
but the thing they cannot seem to handle is the fact that, in addition
to tax dollars, there is going to be a fee structure. Another concern
the people have is whether a non-resident is going to be charged the same
as a Fridte� =sident, or more.
Dr. Boudreau >iuted the final fee structure is entirely up to the City
Council. If the Council wants to underwrite 100% of the operation and
maintenance of that facility and let every resident and possible, non-
resident in free, that wili be their decision.. Ail policies regarding
fees and charges will rest with the City Council.
Dr. Boudreau stated that the City did have a non-resident fee for Fridley
pro9rams about two years ago, however, Council has since suspended this
fee: He stated the Parks and Recreation Department Staff and himself
felt strongly that the taxpayers may wish to have this facility in their
comnunity, but when someone from another conununity wishes to use it, the
non-resident should help pay for that tax bill. He stated he would hope
that this Commission would have a reco�nendation regarding the fee structure
and non-residertt fee.
Mr. Young stated he agreed with Mr. Kondrick, He has heard corrments
from people who wonder what the non-residents are going to pay. When
they are trying to s�ll this facility, he felt it was very important to
te11 the people that the non-resident is going to pay more.
Ms. Hughes pointed out that residents already pay for all kinds of
recreational services. How does the family or individual membership
cover the class that might be held in the new facility or is that member-
ship fee going to be in addition to the cost of the classl
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PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 1, 1981 PAGE 8
Dr. Boudreau stated those are some of the unanswered questions they
have not gotten into yet, because those are policy decisions the City
Council is g4ing to have to determine. One thing they are looking at is
if a person has a family or individual membership to the facility and
that person registers for a class that is being held in the facility,
the cost of the class may be higher to a non-member to offset the member-
ship fee and yet be a 7ower fee for the member. Another possible way is
if you are a menber, any elass offered in the facility might be free.
Ms. Hughes stated she was concerned about a referendum date of Feb. 16
being such a short time away.
Dr. Boudreau explained that this timing fit nicely with staff time
available to inform the general public. Regarding Staff time, the Parks &
Recreation Department's programs do not start until Jan. "L8, so Statt
has the month of Dec., Jan., and two weeks in Feb. to inform the people
as much as possible.
Ms. Hughes stated there should be public meetings and invite the civic
organizations. There is no way Staff is going t� be able to attend all
the civic organizations' meetings between now and Feb. 16, as most of
the organizatians already have their programs planned.
Ms. Seeger stated the "Community News" section of the Minneapolis Star
on Thursday would be an excellent place in which to feature an article
on the community recreation center.
Ms. Hughes stated she would be very concerned about Staff doing all
the promoting alone in the community without a councilman or a comnission
member to help promote it. One way to handle that would be to have the
elected or volunteer person do the genera] introduction and then the
Staff person could answer questions,
Dr. Boudreau stated that is why he is asking for the Gomnission's help.
They are certainly going to need the Commission's help if"Lhis°faci7ity
ps to �uilt with a successful referendum. -
The �a �ni�,sion members agreed that non-residents should be charged a
minimum e� 25% over the estabtished fee for participation.
The Comnission members agreed th3t the fee schedules should be presented
on a three-month, quarter, six-month, and yearly basis and be pro-rated
for senior citizens and youth.
MOTZON 8Y MS. NUGHES� SECONDED BY MR. ALLEN, TO APPROVE TNE FEB. 16� I982,
REFERENDUM DATE FOR THE COMMUNZTY RECREATZON CENTER AND TD RPPROVE A
REFERENDUM AMOUNT OF 54.85 MILLION. �
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANSMOUSLY.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 1 1981 PAGE 9
ADJOURNMENT:
Chairperson Kondrick declared the December 7. 7981, Parks & Recreation Comnission
meeting adjourned at 11:05 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUB TTED,
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RECORDING SECRETARY
CITY OF FRIDLEY
HUMAN RESOURCES GQMMISSIQN
MEETTNG
DECEMBER 3, 1981
CALL TO ORDER:
Vice-Chairperson Goodspeed called the December 3, 1981, Human Resources Comnission
meeting to order at 7:30 p.m,
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Brian Goodspeed, Peter Treuenfels, Jayne Noble,
Lynn Boergerhoff
Members Absent: Mary van Dan
flthers Present: Mary Cayan, Human Resources Assistant
Mary Zagaros, Coircnunity Action Program (CAP)
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 5, 1981, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. NOBLE� SECONDED BY MR. 2REUENFEIS� TO RPPROVE THE NOVEMBER 5� 1481�
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTSNG RYE� VICE-CHAIRPER50N GOODSPEED DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. INTERNATIONAL YEAR 9F DISASLED PERS9NS - UPDATE:
Mr. Boergerhoff stated that the recognition meeting scheduled for Nov. 23 was
caicelled due to bad weather. He stated the recognition meeting has been rescheduled
for Monday, Dec. 14 at 6:00 p.m, in the Village Green Community Room. Reminders
have been mailed out.
Mr. Boergerhoff stated the surveys have been completed in terms of being keypunched.
He stated 670 surveys were returned. Approximately one-fourth of those who replied
responded that, yes, they did have a person in their household whom they considered
to be disabled. He stated the breakdown of information should be available in
a few weeks.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that at the Ci�y Council meeting on Nov. 30, the discussion
was mainly regarding the new proposed community recreation center. He stated one
question that should be asked is if any thought has been given to architectural
barriers in the new proposed center. Now would be the time to make definite
suggestions.
Ms. Cayan stated the City is looking at that, and even any pool facilities will
be accessible to the handicapped.
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 3, 1981 PAGE 2
XOTION 8Y 1IIl. TREUENFEIS� SBCONDED BY MS. NOBLE, TO RECEZVE 1'HE SYDP UPDATE
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYfi� VSCE-CHAIRPfiRSON GOODSPEED DECiAItED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANSiVOUSLY.
2. COMMUNI7Y ACTION PROGRAM (CAP) - MARY 2AGAR05:
Ms, Cayan stated that a few meetings ago, the Comnission members stated they
rrould like to have someone frwn the CAP Agency cane and speak to them. She
introduced Mary Zagaros.
Ms. Zagaros stated her official title is Comnunity Program Development Specialist.
She stated she had brought a sumnary sheet of what the CAP Agency does and what
their programs are. She stated some of the prograr�s listed are no longer appro-
priate because of the cuts in funding. She stated the Corr�unity Action Programs
used to be the Office of Economic Opportunity, and they were established to seek
out and destroy the root causes of poverty. Sne stated they work basically with
peopie who are low income, who are on fixed incomes, who are on different kinds of
income maintenance programs through the federal, state, or county, who by the
Federal Government's definition are low income. She stated that each year the
Federal Government develops the poverty guidelines. Anoka County`s average mediart
income is about on par with the rest of the nation.
Ms. Zagaros stated unemployment is high and is getting higher a]] the time. She
stated that on Tuesday, they started this year's Fuel Assistance Program, and all
nine phone Tines were busy all day 7ong. Things are getting harder and harder al]
the time. She stated the private sector, the churches. and the canmunity are
supposed to take over and help srtrooth things out for people, but she did not think
there is enough extra for the private sector to take up the slack.
Ms. Zagaros stated they have had to lay off staff in their agency, because of the
federa.l cuts. Funds have been apprpriated through block grants on the federal
level. Unfortunately, the Office of Management and the Budget has chosen not to
�elease the funds, so instead of staying-on an "even Keel", their staff is down
51%.
Ms: Zagaros stated the CAP Agency has been operating the Weatherization Program
that was weatherizing about lOD homes a month in Anoka and 4Jashington County,
but they are now down to nne crew from four crews. She stated they would like
to do what is outlined on the agency multi-year plan if they had the staff to do it.
Ms. Zagaros stated that one of the things she would like to do, which she has
discussed with Mary Cayan, is to develop a human services council. One of the
problems with human services in Anok� County is that nobndy knows what anybody"
eTse is doing. Either a service is not available at a]1, or it is available in
17 different places. There is no central place in the county for people to get
phone numbers of services, and people get shifted from place to place until they
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 3, 1981 PA6E 3
get discouraged and give up. She would like to put together a human services
council in Anoka County so peopte would know what is available, how it can be
used, if there are any restrictions, fees, etc., and what has to be done to get
help if the service is available. She stated they wou]d like to develop some
kind of communications link among the programs.
Ms. Zagaros stated the churches and schools and the community have a tremendous
amount of services, and no one knows about them. 5he stated they would like to
do some education with the service providers. There are a lot of service providers
who just don`t know what the community is like, what the people are like, what kinds
= of things they are dealing with, and vice versa. There is a lot of talk of dupli-
cation of services, and duplication is wasteful. She stated that if.-they are going
to do what they can for the people of Anoka County, then they should see that the
people have all the accurate information they can possi6ly get. One of the
problems is there is no one to do it, The County doesn't have staff to do it,
the City doesn't have staff to do it, and neither does the CAP Agency. It is
going to need to be done by volunteers, and v�lunteers are getting harder and
harder to find.
Mr. Treunfels stated the Commission's interest started with their yearly project
of receiving and reviewing requests for funding from service organizations. These
organizations submit applications for funding to the City of Fridley, and the
Commission reviews those applications and makes recommendations to the City Council
for the funding. One of the questions the Canmission asks these organizations is
if there are any duplication of services or any over]apping of services. He
stated the Commission has a certain amount of interest in finding out what really
is available, and that is why the Cor�nission was interested in having Ms. Zagaros
speak to them. Now, they are finding out that the CAP Agency is in the same
situation as the City and would also like to have a list of service organizations.
Mr. Boergerhoff asked Ms. Zagaros what she felt were the best resources in the
County to meet any needs, in addition to what is offered through the CAP Agency.
Ms. Zagaros stated one resource is the churches, because they are people. She
stated this last year she was on a task force on Health, Housing and Aging for
the Metropolitan Health Board, One of the big concerns was seni�rs going into
nursing homes prematurely with services that are provided by various groups in
Anoka County. Mercy and Unity Hospitals have home health care, Anoka County has
home health care, and there is Metro Nome Health Care in Anoka. There are home
health care services, there are some housekeeping services, but there are no
chore services--like mowing tawns, window cleaning, snow shoveling, raking, etc.
This was one of the main gaps pointed out in the study done by the task force
and that something could be done ideally by youth groups or churches.
Ms. Cayan stated this winter the Parks & Recreation Department is starting a
"match-up" program, where older people and younger people can call in and ask for
services and offer services. They are then matched up, and it is up to the older
person and the younger person to arrange the jobs and times. She stated it is
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 3 1981 PAGE 4
being started on a tria7 basis. She stated she is hoping that could expand into
assisting handicapped persons. Maybe this is an area where cities can help out
if the churches don't.
Mr. Treuenfels asked Ms. Zagaros what she felt were the most critical needs of
people, tisting than in priority.,
Ms. Zagaros stated she would priortize the needs as follows: (1) housing;
(2} transportation; (3} employment; (4) affordable health care.
;
Ms. Cayan asked Ms. Zagaros what the Commission could do.
Ms. Zagaros stated it would be great if the Commission could encourage other
cities in the Gounty to ]ook around and realize the County needs a human resource
network.
Mr. Goodspeed thanked Ms. Zagaros far coming to the meeting.
3. YOUTH GROUP REPORT:
Mr. Goodspeed stated that after talking to some of the leaders of youth gruups
in the City, he found he made a mistake in thinking there was a need for inter-
action among the youth groups in Fridley. He did not think it would accomplish
anything and he did not think it would be worth the money and manpower to pursue
a youth project group.
MOTION BY MR, SREUSNFfiLS� SfiCONDED BY ifl2. BOERGERHOFF� TO RESCIND TXE YOUTH
COALITION PAOJECT GkOUP.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� YICE-CtIAIRPERSON GOODSPEED DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIBD UNANIMOUSLY. � � � �
Mr. Treuenfels stated the City should always be open to receive inquiries from
youth groups or individuals who want to participate in some way.
4. REVIEW QF FUNDING GUIDELINES:
Ms. Cayan stated she believed Ms. van Dan had a concern that some of the criteria
in the funding guidelines needed to be weighed a little differently.
Ms. Noble stated she really ]iked the funding guidelines. It is easy to under-
stand, especially for new canmission members, and it covers everything the
Commission wants to look at in funding proposals. She also thought every organi-
zation was able to understand the format. She aiso liked the scoring.
Mr. Boergerhoff stated he agreed with Ms. Noble. With his first experience with
the funding guidelines, he had found the format very easy to understand,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 3, 1981 PAGE 5
Mr. Treuenfels stated that since this seemed to be Ms, van Dan's cancern, they
should continue that particular part of the discussion until the next meeting.
One thing he thought they should address this evening was the cut-off date for
the receipt of applications. He stated he would prefer to have June 1 as the date
when all materials must be in from the service organizations so that the Comnission
could start the consideration process.
MOTION BY MR. TRSUSNFEIS� SECONDSD BY MS. NOBLE� TO CHRNGE THE DEADLINE FROM
JULY 1 TO JUNFr 2 FOR THE COMMISSSON TO RECEIVE ALL FUNDING RPPLICATIONS,WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT FINANCIAL 5TATEMSNTS CAN BE RECEIVED BY JULY 1 FOR THOS&
ORGANIZATIONS WHOSE FZSCAL YEAR ENAS ON JUNE 30,
UPON A VOZCE VOTS�,ALL VOTING AYS, VICS-CHAIRPSRSON GOODSPEED DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRI&D UNANIMOUSLY.
5. WORKPLAN: DISCUSSION OF DAYCARE OBJEGTIVE
Ms. Noble presented her outline on "Daycare".
Ms. Noble stated in going over this objective, she had some reservations about it.
The Camnission has other priorities, and she personally felt that daycare is
readily available for those who look for it. One of the things she thought might
6e worth looking into is the on-the-job type of daycare center, There are enough
big businesses in Fridley that employ a lot of people that it might he interesting
to look into it.
Ms. Cayan stated that a project committee is an alternative to consider in order
to get people who have an interest and would be willing to do some research and
come up with a plan to present to businesses.
Ms. Noble stated that maybe someone from the Creative Play Genter might be
interested.
MOTION BY MR. 2'REIIENF�IS� SECONDED BY MI2. BOERGERHOFF� TO RECEIVE THE OUTLINE�
ON "DAYCRRE", AN OBJfiCTIVE UNDER THS "XUMAN SERVICES" GOAL� PREPAXED BY JAYNE NOBLE�
AS PART OF THE XUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION WORKPLAN. �
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VSCE-CHAIRPERSON 600ASPEED DECLARSD THE MOSION
CARRIBD UNANIMOUSLY.
6. NO-fAUL7 GRIEUANCE PROCEDURE - UPDATE:
�
Mr. Treuenfels stated he had called the State Department of Human Rights and they
were very helpful and seemed quite eager to get the cities involved, He stated
he had asked that some information in the form of a brochure be sent to the
Commission. What is provided beyond a brochure is a kind of training session
that is usually scheduled on a Saturday, but could be done on weekday evenings.
HUtMN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 3. 1981 PAGE 6
Mr. TreuenfeTs stated the training session(s) is entirely paid for by the State.
He felt that before the Commission makes any decision to get invo7ved and in
order to find oui if they are even interested, maybe a Commission member could
attend a training session as a kind of orientation and then report back to the
Comnission on what transpired and what is involved.
Mr. Treuenfels stated he asked spec9fic questions. He stated he asked the person
he talked to at the State Department of Human Rights about the liability or what
1ega1 complications the City could have by delaying too long and preventinq a case
from going on to the State after the six-month period. He was told that as far
as the person at the State knew, no City has ever been taken to court. The easy
way around it is to have the two grieving parties sign a statement that spetls
out in detail all the things that have to be done to get the case filed with the
State, if they do Mdt reach an agreement at the City level. The City then has
pro�f that the parties involved have been notified.
MOTION BY MS. NOBLE� SECONDED BY 1+lR. TREUENFEIS� TO CONTINUE FURTHER DISCUSSION
ON TNE NO-FAULT GRZEVANCE PROCEDURE UNTIL TXE INFORMATSON REQUESTED FROM SHE
STATE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RZGHTS IS RECENEA
UPON A VOZCE YOTE, ALL VOTING AY6� VICE-CXAZRPERSON GOOASPEED D&CLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
7. DISCUSSION OF COMMUNICATIONS PLAN:
Mr. Cayan stated that during the workplan process, several cor�nissions mentioned
the importdnce of communications and public awareness. Jerry Boardman had
suggested that maybe something should be done at the Planning Comnission level
as opposed to the individual comnission level. Upon request by Mr. Boardman,
she had come up with the "Cortmtesion Communications Plan". She stated this was
presented to the Plannin9 Comnission on t�ovember 4th to review and offer suggestions,
changes, etc.
Ms. Cayan stated this plan is basica7ly an attempt to coordinate a11 the different
suggestions made by member commissions and the fee7ing at staff level that perhaps
there is a need for some ty�e of coordination at the Planning Commission level,
rather than have individual commissions compete for communications. She stated
she would appreciate the Commission reviewing the plan and giving any cott�nents
they might have.
8. AFfIRMATIVE ACTION: CkARTER COMMISSION UPDATE
Ms. Cayan stated any action by the Charter Commission on the affirmative action
statement was tabled until their January meeting. She stated she talked to
Bill Hunt, Staff person to the Charter Commission, and it was his feeling that
if the Charter Commission includes anything in the City Charter, they are leaning
toward a philosophicat statement. She stated the Charter Commission may be
recommending that the Human Resources Commission look at the Affirmative Action
P1an and make any needed suggestions.
CITY OF FRIDLEY
COh�1UNITY DEVELOPMENT GOMMISSION
MEETING
DECEMBER 8, 1981
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Oquist called the December 8, 1987, Cormnunity Development Commission
meeting to order at 7:38 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present
Members Absent
Others Present
LeRoy Oquist, Kenneth Vos, A1 Gabel, Connie Modig,
Sharon Gustafson
None
Mary Cayan, Human Services Assistant
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 10, 1981, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. GABEL, SECONDED BY MS. MODIG� TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 20� 1981�
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTZON
CARRZED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. WORKPLAN FORMULATION AND DISCUSSION OF COMMUNICATIONS PLAN:
Goal #1: To ensure effective allocation of CDBG funds.
Mr. Oquist stated the Commission had discussed this goal at the Sept. meeting
and had formulated the objectives and actions under that goal at that time.
Goal #2: To ensure adequate housing opportunities for the residents of Fridley.
Ms. Cayan handed out copies of the latest version of the Housing portion of the
Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. Oquist stated the Comnission could almost pick out the objectives in that
Housing section as the objectives for Goal #2.
Ms. Cayan stated that depending upon what actions the County Housing Resource
Board (CHRB) takes, the Commission could possibly support the CHRB more actively.
Mr. Oquist stated that maybe the Commission could act as a sounding board for
problems people have with maintenance and rehabilitation of their housing.
Ms. Gustafson stated the Commission could also make the pu6lic aware that oppor-
tunities are available for maintenance and rehab. Most people do not even know
that loans are available for that kind of thing.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 8, 1981 PAGE 2
Mr. Oquist stated that one objective could be to research the feasibility or
the need for a maintenance ordinance where a house would be inspected
�upon resale.
-Ms. Cayan stated she felt the key to providing more housing and new housing in
the City is the financing. As far as she knew, there was really no one on the
Comnission with _ expertise on investments and financing. Maybe they need a
project committee where they could recruit people with expertise in the financing
field, perhaps local bankers, realtors, contractors, who might be willing to sit
down and look at the possibilities of what the City or the Community Development
Commission could do to promote investment in housing in this area. She #hinks
that the Minneapolis Housing Authority has a council or board composed
of citizens who make recommendations on combining different types of funds to
provide housing in Minneapolis. If the Commission wa� interested, she would do
some research and-infornation on this.
The Commission members stated they would tike more information.
Dr. Vos stated one problem he could see was that 97� of Fridley's residential
zones are already developed. One objective could be to review the present zoning
areas and possibly recommend rezoning in some areas.
Ms. Cayan stated that if the Commission felt that rezoning to prAVide more land
was the way to go, that could go hand in hand with financing. If they had land
available, it would probably be easier to get financing. It seemed like something
they could pursue at the same time.
The Commission formulated the follotuino objectives for Coal �2:
1. To review zoning code with the possibility
of recommending rezoning in certain areas
to provide more housing.
2. To review the Comprehensive Plan,
3. To determine the possibility or the need
for a maintenance code.
4. To continue to represent the City on the
County Housing Resource Board.
5. To monitor the availability of funding
for housing maintenance.
Action
To support actions and
recbrrmendations from
that Board.
To determine what funding
is available.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 8, 1987 PA6E 3
Goal #3: To ensure adequate transportation options both within and outside the
City of Fridley.
_Mr. Oquist stated that maybe they should incorporate something in the way of
transportation for the handicapped,
Ms. Cayan stated that there is talk about a committee being formed to address
the tra�sportation needs of handicapped persons. It would probably consist of
a representative from the International Year of Disabled Persons Committee, a
representative from the Human Resources Commission, interested citizens, and
maybe a representative from the Coriununity Development Commission, if the Commission
was interested in pursuing this.
Ms. Gustafson stated the Commission should get some data from Metropolitan
Council on transportations plans,
The Commission members formulated the following objectives for Goal �3:
1. To be aware of proposed changes in traffic
patterns through Fridley.
2. To monitor future decisions and proposed
changes in traffic patterns.
3. To recommend a set of transportation
plans and policy statements.
4. To review public transportation for the
elderly and handicapped.
5. To make recommendations on bikeway/walkways.
6, To be aware of "park and ride" locations.
Action
To review transportation
plans and documents.
To coordinate any
recommendations with
the Energy Comnission.
Goal #4: To promote citizen awareness of Community Development Commission actions.
Dr, Vos stated that each coimnission should have a similar goal promoting its
actions.
Mr. Oquist stated he felt the objectives put together by the Huma��Resources
Commission for their "comnunications" goal would be most appropriate for Goal #4:
1. To ensure that citizens of Fridley are informed of
governmental actions.
COhA1UNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 8, 1981 PAGE 4
2. To provide a system, method, means for more citizen input to
_ the City of Fridtey.
_ 3. To ensure access of information to all citizens (TTY).
4. To assist in data collection:to ascertain the needs of the
citizens of Fridley.�,
Ms. Cayan stated another idea would be for the comnissions to put together a
quarter]y commission report that could be inctuded in the city newstetter, as
well as mailed out to civic organizations, to also keep that body of the City
informed as to what the comnissions are doing.
Ms. Gustafson stated she would like to see the City have a"planning day" with
the citizens, civic leaders, city staff inembers, and commission members,to deter-
mine what the people and civic organizations would like to see happening in the
City. It could also be an information session where the City tells what is
happening in the City.
Ms. Cayan stated an action item could be to find out what is involved in putting
together a planning day.
Ms. Cayan stated she would have the goals and objectives put into the workplan
format for the Go�nission members to finalize at their next meeting.
Ms. Cayan stated the Commission members had a copy of the "Corrmissions Corrmunica-
tions Plan", She stated she had put together this "idea sheet" after the Human
Resources Commission had expressed the concern that communications seemed to be
a problem for all the commissions.
2. OTHER BUSINESS:
Ms. Cayan stated she had the drafts of the three CDBG proposals she and Mr. Boardman
had put together. She would like the Commission to review the proposals and make
comments. The proposals will be going to City Counci7 the end of Jan/early Feb.
and will be forwarded to the County in March.
AD�OURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. GABEL� SECONDED BY MS. GUSTAFSON� TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A
VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE DECEMBER 8� 1981�
COMMUNITY DBVELOPMENT COMMZSSION MEETING AA70URNED RT 9:07 P.M.
-_ _t
RESPECTFULLY SUBMI ED,
LYN SABA
RECORDING SECRETARY
CITY OF fRIDLEY
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
MEETING
DECEMBER 10, 1981
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Comners catled the December 10, 1981, Housing & Redevelopment
Authority meeting to order at 7:34 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Larry Corrmners, Russell Nouck, Elmars Prieditis,
Carolyn Svendsen (arr. 8:06)
Members Absent: Duane Prairie
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Sid Inman, Director of Central Services
Dave Newman, City Attorney
A. J. Remmen, Contract Development Corporation
James Vassar, Chaska, Mn.
John Utley, 470 Pillsbury Center, Mpls. 55402
Jimi Suh, 12 Island Rd., St. Paul 55110
David Fuerstenberg, ]601 - 66� Ave. N.E.
Tim Signorelli, Administrator of the Columbia Park Clinic
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 12, 1981, HOUSIN6 & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTION BY a�II2. PRIEDITI5� SECONDED BY MR. HOUCK� TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER I2� 1985�
HOUSING 6 REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORZTY MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON CQMMERS DECLARED THE MOTZON
CAIZRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
OPMENT AUTHORITY PUBLIC
MOTION BY MR. HOUCK� SECONDED BY MR. PRIED7TIS� TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 19� 1981�
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES RS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING RYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE MOTZON
CARRIED UNRNIMOUSLY.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 10, 7981 PAGE 2
I. CENTER CITY
A. Phase III
1. Final Contract Development - Center Plaza Develo�ment (Memo #81-88)
Mr. Co�ners stated that Memo #81-88 related to Mr. Boardman's
meeting with Mr. Remmen and Mr. Remmen's attorney, John Utley,
on Nov. 25. He asked Mr. Boardman to give the present status of
the contract for the development.
Mr. Boardman stated they .have had several meetings this week
with Mr. Remmen and Mr, Utley. The contract documents the HRA
members have were developed by Mr. Utley. Mr. Boardman stated he
and Mr, Herrick have looked at these contract documents and feel
they are satisfactory and in the best interest of the HRA. He
stated he would like to point out several important items, but
these items will still have to be considered by the HRA when they
review the contract documents.
Mr, Boardman stated page 4 of the document talks about the purchase
price which is $515,000. That value was determined based on the
value of the hardware property, Rice Plaza at $2.70/sq. ft., and
the property adjacent to University at $3/sq, ft. Taking that into
consideration,without the Burger King property, the value came out
at $515,000.
Mr. Boardman stated that on page 10, regarding the description of
the "good faith deposit", the good faith deposit would be "at the
execution of this agreement", That allows the developer 9� days
to put the financing together. If he has not done so in 90 days
and requests an extension, then it would be $10,000 for each exten-
sion up to 90 additional days. If at any point in time, the developer
pulls out of the project or cannot put the financing together, that
is not a reimbursable good faith deposit.
Mr. Boardman referred to page 11, section b: "if the redeveloper
has submitted to the agency evidence of commitment for financing
sufficient for construction of the minimum improvements in accordance
with those Sections 3.6 and 7.7 (which are the financing sections),
and the payment and performance bonds have been delivered to the
agency pursuant to the terms of Section 4.5 in the agreement, then
— the agency will refund the entire amount of good faith deposit with
interest."
Mr. Boardman stated the next section of importance to the HRA is
Section 4.5 on page 14 where it talks about the payment and performance
bonds: "The redeveloper shall furnish and cause to be furnished to
the agency before the commencement of construction of the minimum
improvement a payment bond and performance bond."
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 10, 1987 PAGE 3
Mr. Boardman stated the only other changes they had discussed was
in the Lease Agreement which was an attached section at the end of
all the articles. On page 8 of the Lease section, they are talking
about during the first leasehold year, there would be no rental
due. On the first day of the second leasehold, including the first
day of the fifth leasehold, there will be a rental of $25,000 per
year. On the first day of the sixth leasehold, due and including
the first day of the tenth leasehold, rental would equa7 $40,000.
Item "d" has been changed to read: "On the last day of the tenth
leasehold year, the rental shall equal the unpaid purchase price
and interest on the purchase price at a rate per annum payable on
� the bonds less a11 payments heretofore made pursuant to this
Section 5.2."
Mr. Boardman stated the only thing that has not been discussed with
the HRA is the actual lease terms of $25,000, $40,000, and the
balance. Staff's recommendation would be to accept this.
Mr. Commers stated that at the last meeting, the HRA had discussed
the fact that if the developer was going to have a presale, they
are not going to prevent somebody from taking advantage of what, to
some extent, they view as a very favorable lease arrangement, but if
somebody else is goinq to come in and buy within 2-3-4 years, at
that time, they might want to retain some kind of option to at least
accelerate some of the payments or accelerate the amount of the land.
Mr. Remmen stated the reason they did not proceed on that basis was
because this thing actually would be a position of "break-even"
based on the rents and would probably be in the position of "break-
even" until the eleventh year. That is when they put the requirement
in that the land be paid off the last day of the tenth year. Anyone
buying it during the periods of years 1-10 would not be looking at
any cash flow, but would be looking at probably e.ither a cash loss
or a break-even at best.
Mr. Remmen stated there are some other things that need to be dis-
cussed and addressed. He stated he was of the opinion that they
would be getting the subordinated ground lease, and Mr. Herrick had
objected to a subordinated ground lease in that it did not have the
protection the City needed. He stated he could understand the City's
position on that. Mr. Herrick has discussed this with Mr. Utley,
and they came up with the lease that is part of the document now.
Mr. Remnen stated the question he has now is whether this lease is
bankabie. He was involved in two centers--Valley North and Maplewood
Plaza--where they had subordineted ground leases, and they were able
to bank those and finance them. However, he stated thatnon-subordinated
ground leases are somewhat of a new idea.
HOUSING & REDEVELOP�ENT AUTHORITY MEETING, OECEMBER 10, 1981 PAGE 4
Mr. Remmen stated they have progressed to a letter of intent from
5uper Ualu, They have made all the changes agreed upon with
Mr. Hauser in the lease. He stated he hoped to have the completed
and finalized lease within 10 days. He stated they are moving ahead
with finalizing the lease with Our Own Hardware and Snyder's, or
an alternative drugstore.
Mr. Remmen stated the other question that arises is their subsidiza-
tion of the Super Valu lease. A food store was necessary in order
to move ahead with the project. They were not able to finalize a
very attractive lease with Super Valu. On that lease, they are
looking at $280,000 in improvements over and above a base store,
$33,000 to pick up the cost of the rents across on the store. They
are looking at $1/sq, ft, and 10% CAP figure. That is a$250,000
loss of value on this center, so they are looking at subsidizing
$571,000 on that lease. He stated that on a buy-out, he has had
figures using a CAP figure anywhere from 10-12�. After his meeting
with the City, he reran all the figures. At 12% based on this
project and their projected costs which he felt were relatively
close to accurate, they would be doing the center on a break-even
situation. At 10Y, they would be coming very close to their original
figures, and at 11%, they would be alright. The problem is they
have no idea what is going to happen. It is in the hands of the
lenders. He stated that at this point, he still thought they were
looking at a sell-out, and on a sell-out, the lease would not be of
any value to them. So, they are looking at whether they can afford
to subsidize Super Ualu at $571,000.
Mr. Remmen stated they had discussed with City Staff their taking
the lease to the mortgage broker, running it by them, and seeing if
they would give any partnership credit. He thought that was one
way of getting a valid opinion. Mr. Remmen stated he would like to
have time to validate the lease and see if it has any value. At
this time, he did not know the time frame.
Mr. Boardman stated that if that direction is acceptable to the NRA,
the HRA would have to authorize the signing of the contract as it is
written with the lease agreement as it stands and with the payment
of the $30,000 upon the signing of the lease contract. That way, if
Mr. Remmen takes it to the financial advisor and gets an opinion that
it is a workable thing, they would at that time sign the documents
and have the contract documents in hand. If it is not workable, the
HRA would have to look at the situation again to see if they want to
continue with the development or give some further reduction. He
stated he felt it would be in the HRA's best interest to authorize
the signing of the contract document as is, allowing the City to
sign the contract document if the lease arrangement is feasible.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING DECEMBER 10, 1981 PAGE 5
Mr. Commers stated they have a lot of concerned tenants in that
area, and the sooner they finalize this, the better.
Mr. Prieditis stated he would vote against a reduction in price,
but the extension of time should be considered.
{Ms. Svendsen arrived at 8:06 p.m.y
Mr. Newman stated that if the HRA were to approve the documents
and give authority to the Executive Director and the Chairperson
to execute the documents and get it approved hy the limited
partnership, then it would be possible the documents could be
executed within the next couple of weeks which might help with the
time problem.
MOTION BY MR. PRIEDITIS, SECONDED BY MR. HOUCK, TO APPROVE TXE
CONTRACT FOF2 PRSVATE REDSVELDPMENT BETWEEN THE HOUSING 6 REDEVEIAP-
MENT AUTHORITY, THE CITY OF FRIDLEY� AND THE CEN2ER PLAZR DEVELDP-
MENT LIMITED PARTNERSHIP� AND THE LEASE AND WLLATERAL DOCUMENTS
AT2'ACHED THERETO AS PRESENTED AT THE DEC. 10� 1981� XOUSING &
REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� . COMMERS� HOUCK� AND PRZEDITIS
VOTING AYE, SVENDSEN ABSTRINING� CXAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED.
MOTION BY MR. HOUCK� SECONDED BY I�II2. PRIEDITIS, TO RPPROVE AN
EXTENSION OF TSME IN WHICH TD EXECUTE THE CONTRACT FOR DEVELOPMENT
TO THE NEXT REGULAR HRA MEETING ON JANUARY 34� 1982.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, COMMERS, PRIEDZTIS� AND HOUCK VOTING AYE,
SVENDSEN ABSTAZNING, CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE MOTION
� � CARRIED.
B, Phase II
1. Columbia Park Clinic Pro�osal (Memo #81-89)
Mr. Boardman introduced Mr, Tim Signorelli, Administrator of the
Columbia Park Clinic,
Mr. Comners stated Memo #8]-89 sets forth a brief sumnary of the
discussions between the HRA Executive Director and the officiais
from Columbia Park Clinic.
Mr. Boardman stated Columbia Park C1#nic is looking at two sites--
the Unity Hospital site as well as the Center City site. They have
been moving ahead relative7y quickly, because they do want to start
construction of a new clinic in the spring. He stated the City has
had several sessions with the Columbia Park Clinic, and he would
like to briefly summarize those negotiations,
NOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 10, 1981 PAGE 6
Mr. Boardman stated the first phase would be for approximately
28,400 sq. ft. of building, of which 14,000 sq. ft, would he the
footprint. It would be a two-story building. They discussed the
fact that the City would provide them the 28,400 sq. ft., plus
adequate parking (140 stalls), and would provide for the first
phase at a value of $1 for the property. One reason they considered
the $1 for the property in the first phase is because they have to
understand that the value on a clinic buil.ding, as compared to a
regular office building, is generally higher and is therefore taxed
at a higher rate.
Mr. Boardman stated the Columbia Park Clinic is looking at an expan-
sion of about 28,000 sq. ft„ up to a possible total of 56,000 sq.ft.
of clinic space. They also wanted from the HRA an option on addi-
tional property so they could foresee their expansion in the future.
That option agreement is laid out at the back of the document he had
given the HRA members. In looking at the option, the HRA would
provide them with land equal to 1; times the building footprint and
land for sale or lease equal to the sum indicated sufficient for
necessary parking at a ratio of one parking stall for every 200 sq. ft.
of building.
Mr. Boardman stated another thing discussed was the 6ase option
price for the property. They have talked about--"Columbia Park
Clinic properties on the option, if they exercise that option,
shall pay 75% of that above option price plus the adjustment for
inflation based on the consumer price index, not less than 8% or
more than 12% per annum."
Mr. Boardman stated they put a reduction value on the purchase price
because the sooner they get the property occupied, the better off
they are as far as bond sales and getting that money into the district.
If the Columbia Park Clinic occupies a structure sooner than 1988,
then the City would reduce it by 5� per year for each year they
come in and occupy the building on January 1. The reason they set
January 1 is because that is when they determine the value on the
structure. They also talked with Columbia Park Clinic that, upon
exercising the agreement, $10,000 as a good faith deposit would be
paid to the HRA. That would be held unti] construction was started
and the option agreement was signed. At the time the option agree-
ment is signed, the $10,000 would then become option money and on
January 1, 1986, when the option runs out or when they provide a
letter saying they are going to exercise the option, they would
deposit with the HRA another $15,000 as good faith deposit and that
would be returned upon the beginning construction of their second
phase.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING DEGEMBER 1� 1981 PA6E 7
Mr. Signorelli stated they have a lot of patients who cane from
Fridley and rtorth of fridley, and they have been looking at
expanding their amount of capacity to serve people in different
areas, They felt Fridley was an excellent location, insofar as they
hospitalize at Unity Hospital exclusively. They were originally
looking at a site near the Unity Hospital Campus when Mr. Boardman
contacted him and made him aware of the Center City project area.
He stated they have been encouraged with the discussions with the
City, and they think the total Center City redevelopment project
has a lot going for it. There are also some 15,400 people living
within walking distance from the site, many of whom are elderly.
They feel it would be something both the City of Fridley and the
Columbia Park Clinic could benefit from.
Mr. Commers asked what kind of timeframe the Columbia Park Clinic
was looking at for their project.
Mr. Signorelli stated there were a variety of factors influencing
the timing: (lj Thedr own personal timetable which is to start
early spring construction. Their original timetable was to have
the clinic open in Jan.-Feb. 1983, but since it is now a]ittle
larger building, it would probably open in April-May 1983; (2) Another
factor is the financing. They are looking for industrial revenue
bond financing, and they are trying to get that resolved before the
first of the year, if possible; (3) Mr, Boardman and Mr. Qureshi
have indicated their interest in having the project move forward
as soon as possible.
Mr. Signorelli stated he thought they would be prepared to come to
a decision within the next couple of weeks, but he did not know the
HRA's schedule.
Mr. Boardman stated the HRA would probably be looking at some kind
of commitment or contract documents at their January 14, 1982,
meeting. Hopefully, at that time, they will have any of the problems
worked out, and they would be in a position to sign a contract or
make some deal at that time. Ne thought they were lookinq at 120-
150 days for acquisition. They would need 120 days before they could
take title, even in a condemnation suit.
Mr. Commers thanked Mr. Signorelli for coming to the meeting.
Mr. Commers stated he thought they obviously had to do something
for the clinic, but he was not sure how far they should go. He-
had difficulty with the City giving the land away on the second
phase on that option. They have to draw the line on how much they
are going to subsidize for the Columbia Park Clinic. He was not
downgrading the clinic; he thought it was a terrific idea, because
of the ideat location, and the City rea7ly needs it, but there are
HOUSING & REDEVEL6PMEN7 AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 10, 1981 PAGE 8
other considerations. What are the rest of the taxpayers going
to say when the City gives the whole thing away? He thought it
was a very delicate issue and they have to give some thought to it.
He thought they should strive to maintain some type of fairness
and uniformity among the different people. He stated he could see
there were many arguments that make it favorable on the first phase
that it is easy to justify it on the first phase, but he was not
sure they should do it on the second phase.
Mr. Prieditis stated he agreed with Mr. Commers.
Mr. Commers stated maybe they should be concentrating on Mr. Remmen's
project and giving him the break on the land. He felt they owed it
to the tenants in the Center Plaza development area to devote all
their efforts to get that project either on line or terminated.
Mr. Boardman stated they have to look at the amount of taxes they
are going to get out of the clinic facility as compared to
Mr. Remmen's facility.
Mr. Boardman stated this was to inform the HRA of the discussions
with the Columbia Park Clinic and to get an indication from them
of whether the discussions with the clinic have been acceptable.
He realized it was hard for the HRA to make any decisions until
they see the actual figures, and the actual figures will be available
at the Jan. 14, 1982, HRA meeting.
2. Acquisition of Property at 378 - 64th Ave. N.E. (Memo #81-90}
Mr. Boardman stated that at the last meeting, the HRA asked Staff
to get an appraisal on the property 6ecause of Mr, Singer's request
that the HRA p�rchase his property. He stated the appraisal came
in at $58,90�. In a discussion with Mr. Singer, Mr. Singer stated
the value was approximately the value on the property when he pur-
chased the property two years ago, and he would agree to $63,000
for the property.
Mr. Commers stated one thing the HRA is going to need to know is
what their position is going to be on acquisitions. Tf everyone is
going to be coming in and wanting further land reductions, they
are going to have to reanalyze the whole situation. Are they in a
position to pick up these parcels, even though it may be very
advantageous? He felt the NRA needed some kind of analysis from
Staff as to where they are. He would recommend they continue dis-
cussion on this acquisition until they have a report from Staff as
to the acquisition monies and availability of funds,
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETIN6, DECEMBER ]0, 7981 PAGE 9
MOTION BY MR. HOUCR, SECONDED BY h4?. PRIEDITZS� TO CONTINUE FURTHER
DISCU$SION REGARDING THE PURCHRSE OF PROPERTY AT 378 - 64th AVE. N.E.
UNTIL T8E JAN. 24��1982� MEETING� AT WHICX TTME THE HRA WILL RECEIVE
A REPORT FROM STAFF ON TXE ACQUISITZON FUNDS.
UPON A VOICE I�OTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNRNIMOUSLY,
B. Phase I
, 1. Purchase of Christianson Building
Mr. Boardman stated that at the last meeting, the HRA requested
some information about the rents and utilities in the building.
Mr. Inman stated he had a handwritten breakdown of the utility
accounts for the last year. The varying degree from the information
they got from Minnegasco seems to be based on occupancy, and there
was a gas leak, Aside from that, the figures are true and accurate.
He also had a breakdown on rents for 1980 and 1981. He stated they
wil] notice a$400 revenue from the City. The City was renting
space from the Christianson building for police parking. With the
City purchasing the building, there was no longer any need for the
City to actually rent space. He did not know if the HRA wanted to
do anything about having the City rent the parking space from the
HRA. He thought they should probably discuss this with Mr. Qureshi
because that is in limbo right now with the purchasing of the
Christianson building by the HRA.
Mr. Boardman stated the HRA needs to authorize the closing on the
Christianson building.
MOTION BY MR. HOUCK, SECONDED BY MR, PRIEDITIS, TD CLOSE THE TRANS-
ACTIDN WITH THE CITY WITN REGARD TO THE CHRISTIAN$ON PROPERTY.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAZRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNRNIMOUSLY.
2. Demolition of Christianson Building (Memo #81-91)
Mr. Commers asked if the Staff had any recommendations on whether
they should leave the building on the site or have it demolished
immediately.
Mr. Boardman stated he would 7ike to see the building demolished.
He felt it was probably more detrimental to the development and to
the area to leave it standing. They are also still paying insurance
an the 6uilding.
HOUSING & REDEUELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETIN6, DECEMBER 10, 1981 PAGE 10
Mr. Inman stated that from both a staff and citizen standpoint, if
the building is torn down, people will see that something is happening,
and it will have a positive impact.
The HRA members agreed that the building should be demolished and
agreed that Mr. Boardman should go forward and get some formal
demolition bids.
Mr. Boardman stated he would start the process.
3. Northwestern Bell Telephone Buildinqs Memo #81-92)
Mr. Commers stated that Mark Haggerty has approached the City
regarding the property which is presently up for a lease renewal.
Mr. Commers stated the question is whether or not any negotiations
should be entered into. Here again, it would seem since the lease
is up for renewal, it would be the ideal time to acquire the
property, but the question.was whether or not they could afford to
do that.
Mr. Boardman stated maybe the HRA should authorize an appraisal
on the property, and by the time the appraisal comes in, they
should have an indication on where the HRA is financially.
It was the concensus of the HRA that Mr. Boardman be authorized to
go ahead with an appraisal on the Northwestern Bell Telephone
building.
II. HOUSING PLAN (Memo #81-93)
MOTION BY MR. PRIEDSTIS� SECONDED BY MS, SVENDSEN� TO RECEIVE THE HDUSING
PLAN FOR THE CITY OF FRIDLEY.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING AYE� CHRIRPERSON COMMSR5 DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Boardman stated this is a city plan. It has no affect on the HRA at
this point in time unless the City requests some assistance from the HRA.
Based on state and federal law requirements, it would allow the City to sell
housing mortgage bonds, similar to industrial revenue bonds, at lower interest
rates. The only packages that are available are multiple housing packages.
A condition of that package is that 20% of the units have to be occupied by
low and moderate income persons.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AU7HORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 70, 7981 PAGE 11
III. FINANCIAL REPORT:
A. Monthly Report
Mr. Inman stated he had written a memo outlining the basis of the
financial report for this meeting. He stated he had included a copy
of the chart of accounts for the HRA and correlated City accounts.
One of the things he and Mr. Boardman have been trying to do is eliminate
some of the confusion and give a better explanation of why they have
this type of accounting system.
Mr, Commers thanked Mr. Inman for coming and explaining the financial
report.
MOTION BY-MR. HWCK, SECONDED BY MR. PRIEDITIS� TO EXPRESS THE HRA'S
APPRECIA220N TO MR, INMAN FOR A JOB WELL DONE THIS PAST YEAR.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING RYE, CNAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIBD UNANIMOUSLY.
B. Check Register
MOTION BY MR. XOUCK� SECONDED BY MS. SVENASEN� TO RPPROVE THE CHECK
REGSSTER DATED DEC. 8� 1981, IN THE A1�JDUNT OF SZ94�382.05.
UPON R VOSCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECL�IRED THE
MOTSON CARRIED UNANIMOUSLX.
IV � UPDATE ON NORTH AREA PROJECT (Memo #81-95)
Mr. Commers stated the memo stated that the City Council approved the North
Area Redevelopment Plan and the Tax Increment Plan at their Nov. 23 meeting.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MS. 5VENDSEN� SECONDED BY hT12. HOUCK� TO ADJOURN TXE MEETING, UPON A
VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING RYE, CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE DECEMBER 10� 198Z�
HOUSING B REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:15 P.M.
RESPECTFULLY SU MITTED,
��
Y N SABA
RECORDING SECRETARY
City of Fridley
1�PIr"{LS COP�'ISSION METIT�� - DaC''N'�.=E° 1$ 19�1 PbG� 1
CALt TO O.�R�
Chairwoman Gabel called the I7ecember 15, 19P1, Appeals Co.mmission hleeting to
order at 7t35 P.m.
ROLL C9LL�
hfembers Present�
Z�mbers Absent;
Others Presenti
Patricia Gabel, Alex Parna, Jean Gerou, Jim Plemel
Tionald Hippen
iarrel Clark, City of Fridley
Paul D, Daniel
APP�Ob'� APF'4LS COr2•'ISSIOV h:INiTi�S OF IvO�?_nc� 17, i9R1,
1:4T201? by I•ir. Barna, seconded by Ns. Gerou to approve the i�ppeals Co.mmi=eion
minutes of November 17, 1981, with the following corrections noted by Chairwoman
uabel: Page 2, 4th line £rom tha bottom of the lon; para�raph the sentence
should read ...slot of traffic but it the house should be sold and another
business of a different nature were to go in there it might generate a different
type of tra£fic; Page 2� second para�raph from the bottom sentence should re�d
UPOa+ Ei VOIC'n VOTn, 'vFITH I:�SSRS. HIPPEY I.f.�D E���N-4 VOTIIdG iiYi, .i.�u CEi�.L�.'r70.�;�N
GA�L ATD N.S, GSROU VOTING NRY, ,,,I Page 3, last paragraph, 6th sentence delete
it at the end of the sentence and add putting their sign on the Big t-�-,ael Auto
tien; Paee w, 2nd sentence from the top add to the end of the sentence and it is
unlikely that the fee would be waived, UPO:� A VOI� VOTL, 9i.L VO'TI:�v i.l'S,
Ci�iri:70:ihI� GA3�L ILCU!tiy THE I�;OTIOP� CtiP.RI'aD UtdtiNL�O�SLY,
1.
HAPTER 205
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LONG WITH
T 9, BLOCK
.E. Requ
5�435).
THE FRIDLEY CITY LUDE> TO
aul D. Daniel, Zantigo.
N'OTIO'v by ?�'r. ^�rna, aeconded by ?'s. Gerou, to open tha putlic heh^ing, UPOti
A VOIC'r, VOT'.�,'� ALL VOTIid3 Aln� CHAIRI+IOiJ�iv G.1�L DcCi11�:. '"I:: D?T�L?= i��1?L'''�
Orr:\ AT 7sW0 P.M.
Chairwoman Gabel read the Staff �eportt
ADM7NISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
5905 University Avenue N.E.
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERV£D BY REQUIREMENT:
Section 205.104, lE, prohibits off-street parking in any portion of the
required 20 Eoot front yard.
Public purpose served by this require�nent is to reduce visual pollution
in the front yard and to provide desired front yard space to be used for
landscapin9 and'screening to add to the aesthetic appearance o£ a comnercial
zone.
H a2s Commission tieetine - Deceaber 1 19e1
j�a ee . 2
8. STATED HARIJ6FIIP:
"Existing setback is 12.5 feet, The 5 foot setback is necessary for
angled parking stalls (2 stalls) and the angled yazkii.y- is naces�arl
for traffic flow. The original building was built before this �de
requiranent was adopted."
C. ADMINISTRATNE STAFF REVIEW:
They would not need this variance if they would eliminate the two stalls
closest to University Avenue, however thEy need every available stall they
can get. Therefore, if the Board recommPnds approval of this request, the
staff has no stipulations to suggest. '
p•�, paul D. Danie1�J4740 West 77th Street, Edina, T;innesota was preser.t,
�1n aerial photograph of the property was available, Chairwoman Gabel inquired
as to the cause o£ the change in the parking system. N.r, Clark noted that
Zantigo was adding a drive-np window, Chairwoman Gabel further esked if these
two extra spaces were necessary to meet the required nun•ber of stalls and i+a.
Clark replied that they were. The new drawing indicates 23 PErking s+z lls
whereas there used to be 39� but added trat the drive-up r?ill eliminate the
need for so:ne of the stalls. Cl�eirwon�an Gabel asked what the actual requirereents
were and r:r. Clark responded that the require�nt is one stall for each four
patxons plus emyloyees. ldhen it was figurad by the Cit.y� thlusus'vic emelo ees £or
each three patrons with the present seating allowing 4�, p P Y
at pealc periods so nineteen or twenty at minimum. P'r, Dsniel added that
usually about $�a of the business is drive through once it k�ecomes lmown that
the drive throu�h exists. Chairwoman vabel noted that the frontage road is
very busy and questioned whether it was wise to decrease tha setback. Mr.
Plemel added that there was no yarking on the frontage, so if access to the
parkin, lot was not available it would create a hardship for the business. ;:r.
Daniel noted that if traffic congestion became a problem the drive throueh
wou2d be discontinued as it would be Uad for business, Chairwoman �bel asked
if any curb cutting had been done and rs. Ik1niel replied that it had been cut
straight as they ware trying to beat the weather gnd if the variance was not
approved the area would be striped and not used. Chair�+*oman Gabel asked for
i�lr, Clark's opinion. He rep7.ied that the present plan had been reviewed with
the Planning and En�ineering Departments and this was t,he :oost viable solution
and added that although the frontage road is a very congested one� the narlar.g
stal2s were necessary to alleviate back-up on the frontzge road. Iir. £�rna
mentioned that the existinp setback is presently 12.5 feet and they want it
reduced to 5 feet so are really only tallcing about 7.5 feet which he felt wo'ald
not make e si�nificant difference, i'r. Ple,nel also added that they were losing
basically to be dea2ing with the aesthetic effect• and tney were just
some sidewalk which aga.in would not xake a siFniSicznt difference.
h;0"'IO?v by ris, Gerou, seconded by 1'r, Parna, to close the public hearin�, liPOi: T
it VOZ��. �= � r A� VOTID%G AYE � C�.AI�':�211iv vAfi.�s'L D�CLAR:D Tiv;. Pu=LIC I�:r:�i�I-''v CLO�:-u
AT °��6 P.ri,
Appeals Commission I+Ieeting - Decamber 15, 1981 Pa�e 3
MOTION by Nis, Gerou, seconded by N.r. Barna to recommend to the City Council
through the P7.anning Commission, approval o£ the variance to reduce the parking
setback from 12.5 feet to 5 feet on lots 16 and 1�, Block 13� along with the
north half of vacated j9th Avenue N.E, f�yde Park, along with lot 9, "slock 3,
Bennett Palmer addition, the same being 5905 University Avenue N.E. UPON A
VOICS VO'�, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIFtrlOMAN GA�L ➢ECLAREI3 THE ALITION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
ADHOURNMENTt
MOTION by Mr, Barna, seconded by Mr, Plemel, to adjourn. UPON A VOICE V01n,
ALL VOTING AYc„ CHAIRWONIAN GABEL I�CLA�D TfiE APP�AIS CONI�i ".ISSION Ni:::TiNG OF
DnCEr�ER lj, 1981, ADJOURNF.D AT 8�07 P.M.
Respect£ully Submitted,
T-�v l�c�n �C��--
Pat Von piosch
Recording Secretary
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 6, 1982
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Harris called the January 6, 1982, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:33 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Harris, Mr. Saba, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Erickson (for Mr. Svanda),
Mr. Oquist, Mr. Kondrick, Ms, van Dan
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Don Hanson, representing Servomation, 7490 Central Ave. N.E.
APPROVAL OF DECEMBER 9, 1981, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY A42. SABA� TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER 9� I981�
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLFiRED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. #81-08, BY SERVOMATION CORPORATION: Split
off t e East 263.96 feet of the NortTi 330 feet of-Ft e SE 1/4 of the
NW 1J4 of Section 12, T-30, R-24, subject to the South 25 feet taken for
74th Avenue N.E. (Fireside Drive) so the property can be sold, the same
being 1201 Fireside Drive N.E.
Mr. Harris stated this was not an official public hearing, but they would
handle it as an informal public hearing.
Mr. Boardman stated Servomation 6uilt a building on this property 2-3 years
ago. The back portion of this lot is presently vacant. Servomation is requesting
a lot split on the westerly portion of their property. That lot split entails
1.85 acres. It is zoned M-1, so it is adequate size for that type of zoning.
Mr. Boardman stated Staff has no problems with the lot split, except they would
require a 20 ft. road/utility easement along the south portion of the whole
property. The primary reason for this easement is there is no sewer and water
available to that lot, and they would want that availability for sewer and water
to the lot. There is no water in Fireside, and they would have to come in off
Old Central with a water line. Right now they only have a 50 ft, right-of-way
for road in there, and they wouldn't have enough room for water lines. That is
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 6, 1982 PAGE 2
the reason for an additional 20 ft. easement. Also, another reason is that,
at some point in time, the City may want to put in a turn lane on Fireside.
Mr. Boardman stated that Engineering would also require an easement on the
25 ft. triangle on the corner of Fireside and Old Central. They have been
picking up these triangles on al7 lots for expansion of radiuses.
Mr. Harris stated that with the existing 50 ft. of road right-of-way and with
an additional 20 ft. road/utility easement, that was 70 ft. of right-of-way,
and that was pretty wide. Normally, the City doesn't go with anything over
66 ft. If, in the future, the City does put in a turn lane, they would be
cutting into the property owner's landscaping, which the City requires the
property owner to put in.
Mr. Boardman stated he personally did not see that happening in the near future.
This area would have to develop pretty heavi7y to warrant that kind of development.
He stated he felt the City would probably be satisfied with a total of 66 ft.,
instead of 70 ft.
Mr. Harris suggested that Mr. Hanson consult his legal counsel reqarding the
park fee on the road/utility easement.
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MS. VRN DAN, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF A REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT� L.S. �81-08� BY SERVOMATION CORPORRTION�
TO SPLIT OFF THE EAST 263,96 FEET OF THE NORTH 330 FEET OF THE SE I/4 OF THE
NW 1/4 OF SECTION 12� T-30, R-24� SUBJECT TO THE SOUTH 25 FEET SAKEN FOR
74TH AVENUE N.E. (FIRESIDE DRIVE) SO THE PROPERTY CAN BE SOLD� THE SAME BEING
1201 FIRESIDE DRIV& N.E., WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS:
Z. THAT A 16 FT. ROAD/UTILITY EASEMENT BE RETAINED TO THE SOUTH
� 2. THAT A 25 FT. TRIANGLE EASEMENT BE RETAINED ON THE CORNER OF OLD CENTRAL
AND FIRESIDE DRIVE
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Harris stated that L.S. #81-08 would go to City Council on Feb. 1. He
recommended that all interested parties be in attendance at that meeting.
2. RECEIVE N�VEMBER 24, 1981, ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR, SABA� SECONDED BY NII2. KONDRICK� TO RECEIVE THE NOVEMBER 24� 5981�
ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
3. RECEIVE DECEMBER 1, 1981, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN� TO RECETVE THE DECEMBER Z, 1982,
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 6, 1982 PAGE 3
Ms. Gabel stated she had read the information about the proposed recreation
building in the winter program brochure recently mailed out. She expressed
concern about the high membership fees.
Mr. Kondrick stated the dollars talked about are rough estimates. The dollars
charged are less dollars than would be charged for membership in another type
of facility. A little less money is being charged right now at the Brooklyn
Center community center. However, a lot of the monies at Brooklyn Center
come from the day-by-day charges for use of the pool, sauna, etc. He stated
the fees were of concern to the Parks & Recreation Corrunission and to many people.
One thing that is going to be attractive is that memberships will probably be
offered for a 3-month period, a 6-month period, etc., as opposed to a one lump
su�.
Mr. Saba suggested that the membership fees be broken down; for example, a
membership fee for use of the racquet ball courts, a membership fee for use of
the swimming pool, etc.
Ms. Gabel stated she was concerned that the way the information was presented in
the brochure, people are going to say they cannot afford the $200 yearly member-
ship and therefore will vote against the building. It was not explained in the
brochure that there were several alternatives to the yearly membership, and she
did not feel the brochure was put together very well.
Mr. Harris stated that if the thinking was along the lines that so many member-
ships at $200 were needed to defray the expenses on the maintenance, maybe some-
one should rethink the budget on the maintenance. What bothered him was how this
$200 figure was arrived at.
Mr. Saba stated this whole building should be self-sufficient in every way
possible. He knew it was probably not going to be, but it should be aimed in
that direction. To take one activity and have that activity subsidize a lot of
other activities that are seldom going to be used or possibly not used at all
is not fair. For example, if he bought a membership to use the swimming pool,
he is also subsidizing, for example, the auditorium which he may never use.
Mr. Harris asked if the recreation building doesn't go, did the recreation
building project committee look at any other facilities in aistrict #14, such
as the junior high school?
Mr. Kondrick stated that, yes, the project committee had looked at all other
areas. Representatives from all the schools came and spoke to the committee on
what possibly could or could not be done.
Mr. Harris asked that if the recreation building is voted down, is there any
possibility that a community center could be worked out for the junior high
facility, keeping in mind that the facility might be closed for school use?
Mr. Kondrick stated that possibility was talked about, and it would appear that
it would cost a great deal of money to refur6ish the building to make it the
type of building that is required with the same type of services as the new
facility.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 6, 1982 PAGE 4
Mr. Oquist stated maybe the City will have to rethink what is really required.
What is really needed in this community?
Mr. Harris stated that if the recreation building does not go, they may have to
take less than they really want.
Mr. Kondrick stated it isn't a question of the building and what is contained in
the building as far as requirements. After extensive research, the project
committee recommended those things they felt were really needed in the community.
Even if they had access to one of the schools, the cost of refurbishing it is
astronomical, in addition to the fact that the new building will be much more
energy efficient than the old building, so a lot of those things have been
considered. As far as sacrificing and dropping into a lesser situation, that is
always possible if the people decide they do not want this new facility at this
point in time.
Mr. Harris stated that �istrict 14 (understanding that District 14 is onty part
of the City) has severe financial problems, and there is the possibility that
one of the solutions is to have a referendum to increase the millage. That is
why he brought this up and they may be asking the electorate for two levies instead
of one.
Ms, van Dan stated that one of the big things was that the seniors had requested
a senior citizen room in the new facility. Now, there is a senior drop-in center
at Parkview. Is that going to make any difference in the new facility?
Mr. Kondrick stated he did not feel it was going to make a big difference. He
stated the Commission has spent a lot of time talking about the seniors' needs.
He felt the senior drop-in center at Parkview was a good thing, but they still
plan on having a room in the new facility for the seniors that they can use most
of the time, keeping in mind that this room would also be accessible to other
groups of people.
Mr. Erickson stated he thought the City shou7d take a good close look at the
need for racquet ball courts in the new facility, because of the fact that
private industry seems to be meeting that need. They are expensive to play and
expensive to maintain.
Mr. Kondrick thanked the Commission members for their suggestions and concerns.
He stated there are quite a few meetings planned in January and February to get
information out to the people, and an informational discussion will be shown on
cable TV.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MZNUTES RECEIVED.
4. RECEIVE DECEMBER 3, 1981, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE DECEMBER 3� 1981,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUSES.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 6, 1982 PAGE 5
Ms. van Dan stated the CAP Agency had many programs planned and excellent plans
for 1980-81-82 and into 1983. As a result of the cutbacks, the Human Resources
Commission feels they will probably be getting a lot more funding requests from
each of the individual cities. That is why, in reviewing their funding guide-
lines, she would like to change it a little and weigh the requests a little
differently so they are definitely sure a high percentage of Fridley residents
are receiving the services and that it is all non-profit and not any private
sector groups, as they have had in the past. She wanted to make this comment
so the Planning Commission knew why the Human Resources Coironission was re-reviewing
their funding guidelines.
UPON R VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TNE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
5. RECEIVE DECEMBER 8, 1981, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECEZVE THE DECEMBER 8� 1981,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON R VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE DECEMBER 10, 1981, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MS. GRBEL� TO RECEIVE SHE DECEMBER 20� 1981�
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTE5.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
7. RECEIVE DECEMBER ]5, 1981, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK� TO RECEIVE THE DECEMBER 15� 1981�
APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON R VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNRNIMOUSLY.
8. OTHER BUSINESS:
a. Proposed 360-Unit Apartment Complex Adjacent to Springbrook Nature Center
Mr. Kondrick stated that at the Nov. 4, 1981, Planning Commission meeting
the Corrmission looked at and approved a rezoning request by
Mr. Dave Harris in order to allow the construction of a 360-unit
apartment complex. He stated he wanted to go on record that the Parks &
Recreation Commission was very concerned about a number of things:
PLANNING COMMISSI�N MEETING, JANUARY 6, 1982 PAGE 6
1. The impact the complex would have on Springbrook Nature Center.
2. The height of the buildings being proposed.
3. Water quality and the levels of water in relationship to
Springbrook Nature Center and what it may or may not mean if
the buildings are built.
4. The possibility of destroying the water recharge system in
this area.
5. The bikeway along the edge of Springbrook Nature Center was a
concern to some of the members of the Parks & Recreation Commission.
Mr. Kondrick stated that when Mr. Harris brought this proposal before
the Planning Commission, these types of things were discussed briefly.
It appeared that those things had been thought about and planned for,
but he asked Mr. Boardman to clarify some of those things.
Mr. Boardman stated they are concerned,not only with Mr. Harris'
proposal, but any proposal in that area. Drainage is going to be a
key consideration in the development of the North Area, and that was
the reason for setting up a tax increment district. He stated they
are working closely with Siah St. Clair, City Naturalist. They will
probably be starting some soil borings within the nature center pond
area itself to see what the soil conditions are, to see what they have
to do as far as grading in that area and bringing it into a drainage
retention pond area with dam facilities, etc., in order to satisfy
Mr. St. Clair and the needs of the Springbrook Nature Center. They
are also looking at an overall drainage system and how they are going
to pond and filter that water before it gets to Springbrook.
Mr. Boardman stated that as far as the bikeway, they feel that is
probably the best access to get people from South Fridley north to
the nature center. Their initial plans were for coming up along the
railroad tracks, but they had problems because they wanted to have
limited access to the nature center and how did they bring the people
in from the railroad tracks? So, at this time, they have changed their
thinking and are bringing the bikeway in through the Main St. area.
Mr. Harris stated that when the Planning Commission looked at
Dave Harris' proposal, he really felt the problems involved with
drainage and that particular type of thing were engineering problems
and were solvable. The one concern that was not brought out at the
Planning Commission meeting was the affect of that many people in
close proximity to the nature center.
Mr. Kondrick stated that was discussed at the last Parks & Recreation
Commission meeting, and they felt that many people are going to affect
all of Fridley--all of theparks and particularly the nature center.
They did not know the answer for that, but it was definitely a concern.
But, he felt the over-riding concern was the water tables and the
quality of water in Springbrook.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 6, 1982 PAGE 7
Mr. Kondrick stated the Parks & Recreation Commission will be happy
to hear that a lot of thought has gone into this.
Proposed Neighborhoods and Names for Use with Nei�hborhood Siqn Program
Mr. Boardman stated that at the last meeting, the Planning Commission
discussed neighborhood signs and the Planning Commission made a
motion recommending that the City run a contest to come up with a new
city logo. He stated the City Council acted on this at their last
meeting. The Council approved the city logo as it is now and did not
want to run a contest for a new logo, they approved the street signs
and logos, and they approved the concept of neighborhoods and neighbor-
hood signs, but they did not like the neighborhood sign itself. Staff
is now working on a redesign of the neighborhood sign. He stated the
City Council suggested the neighborhoods and neighborhood classifications
be sent down to the Community Deve]opment Commission for input as to the
names and locations of neighborhoods. If this is all right with the
Planning Commission, this will go to the Community Development Commission
at their February meeting.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. ERICKSON� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RDJDURN THE MEETING. UPON A
VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE JANUARY 6� 5982� PLANNING
COMMISSION MEESING AA70URNED AT 9:06 P.M.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Y E SABA
RECORDING SECRETARY
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