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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MAY 5, 7982
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairwoman Sc� nabel
order at 7:35 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
called the May 5, ]982, Planning Commission meeting to
Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Svanda, Mr. Kondrick,
Ms. van Dan, Mr. Saba
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Gary Wellner. 6221 Sunrise Dr.
Bill Kidder, 6360 Star7ite Blvd.
Jerry Severt, 100 Sate7lite Lane
Michael Larson, 6390 Starlite 67vd.
Lillian Meyer, 7868 Alden Way N.E. -
League of Women Voters
APPROVAL OF APRIL 21, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MIIVl1TES:
MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED 8Y MR. SABA� TO APPROVE THE APR.ZL 2.Z� 1982�
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOlCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CFIAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #82-01
ELL ER�A Di 0;� Y� :�G.�D G � E� ER: e ng a rep at of
t at part of oc s 8 an 9, owe ition, ying outh of the North 7ine
of Sylvan Hills Plat 8, extended in a Westerly direction to the West
boundary of said Block 8, and 7ying Westerly of the plat of Sy7van Hi77s
Plat 8, together with the Easterly one-half of vacated Elm Street, and
that part of Cots land 2, Block 7, Lowel7 Addition to Fridley Park, lying
Southerly of the Wester7y extension of the North line of the p]at of Sy]van
Hills Plat 8, together with the Westerly ha7f of vacated Elm Street, to be
developed as three R-1 lots .(sing7e fami7y dwelling areas) and 5 R-2 lots
(two family dwe]ling areas), generally located South of Mississippi St. N.E.,
East of the Burlington Northern right-of-way.
MOTION BY �JR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY'ltiS. GABEL� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
P.S. #82-01 BY W. G. DOTY � GARY WELLNER.
UPON A VDICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARE9 THE PUBLIC
HEARING OPEN AT 7:38 P.M.
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Mr. Boardman stated that Mr. Hamernik and Mr. Qureshi met with the petitioners
and some of the residents and came up with a plat similar to what the Planning
CoTrmiission members had before them. He stated the front three lots will be R-1.
He stated Staff is working on a new zoning ordinance that allows zero lot line
twin homes where the units.themselves may be owner occupied. So. when the plat
is approved, the five lots in the rear could be split so that each unit could
be zero lot line home..
Mr. Boardman stated the actual plat has not yet arrived and they were expecting
it to be delivered to the Planning Commission sometime during the meeting.
Mr. Wellner stated he has not seen the plat since it came out of the surveyor's
office, but the intent on the five rear lots is to build duplexes with a zero
lot line with the intention of selling each half to a separate buyer. The square
footage of all the lots meets the code requirements. He stated he thought there
were 1-2 lots that may need a variance in terms of the width of the lot itself.
Mr. Boardman stated that included with the approval of the plat will be approval
of the variances necessary, with the lots, in order to develop structures.
Ms. Gabel stated she did not necessarily agree they should approve the variances
at the same tirr� they approve the plat.
Mr. Boardman stated if they approve the plat, they approve the variances applicable
to the lot. He was not saying they should approve all the variances of the structure�
because those variances can only be approved when the structure is brought in and
looked at. But, when they approve a plat that is less than the required width,
then there is automatic approval of the variances. The indication they have gotten
from the City Attorney is that the City Council does have the authority to approve
variances with plats without going through the variance procedure. The reason for
this is that the variance procedure requires a public hearing and notification
within 200 feet. The platting procedure requires notification within 300 feet,
therefore, that notification allows for more public input.
• Mr. Wellner stated the conversation he has
is that they are going to try to keep al7
setback.
had with the surveyor and Mr. Qureshi
the lots with not less than a 65 ft.
Ms. Schnabel stated that since the preliminary plat has not yet arrived, they
should continue this item until the end of the meeting and continue on with the
rest of the agenda items.
MOTION BY 1�. SVANDA, SECONDED ,BY MS. VAN DAN� TO CONTINUE P.S. #82-01 UIVTIL
LATER IN THE MEETING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHIVABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
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2. RECEIVE APRIL 13,�1982,�COMMUNITY DEVELOP�ENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OpUIST� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECEIVE TI�E APRIL 13� 1982�
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIDN MINUTES. -
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECI�ARED TSE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
3. RECEIVE APRIL 20, ]982, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION 8Y MR. SVANDA, SECOIVDED EY MR. SABA, TO RECE.NE THE APRI.L 20� Z982�
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES.
Mr. Svanda stated they had an interesting discussion with Dan Krivit from the
City of Minneapolis on the recyc]ing efforts in the City of Minneapolis. He
stated Minneapo7is will be initiating an 78-neighbor recycling effort through a
city contract the City has with waste haulers. They will be saving the City of
Minneapolis $5/ton on recyclable materials ($17/ton for recycling compared to
$22/ton for disposal).
Mr. Svanda stated the Environmenta] Ouality Commission has decided to spend most
of their next meeting talking about and planning for a meeting with the haulers
�—� in Fridley. Mr. Krivit had suggested the City of Fridley look into the possibility
of a"block concept" where a block of people would get together and contract with
one hauler. This was done in a neighborhood in St. Paul with some success.
Mr. Saba stated the "block concept" could go hand-in-hand with the neighborhood
concept that the Corr�nunity Development Commission will be working on. A neighbor-
hood group could contract with one hauler to reduce hauling fees and for recycling.
He thought it was a very good idea.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CFIAIRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Svanda stated that on page 5 of the Environmental Quality Commissi�n minutes,
ihe Comnission had made a motion regarding the banner that the SORT Committee
had made and which was installed over Mississippi St, during Recycling Week to
advise city residents and others of the existing SORT facility and to encourage
people to use the facility. SOR7 paid $87 for the banner. The motion recommended
to the City Council that the City of Fridley contribute to SORT at least one-half
of the cost of the banner. Mr. Svanda stated he would recommend the Planning
Commission concur with this motion and recommend approval by the City Council.
1�lOTION BY MR. SVANDA� SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN� TO CONCUR WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL
QUALITY COMMISSION�S MOTION AND TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE CITY
OF FRIDLEY CONTRIBUTE TO SORT AT LEAST ONE-HALF THE COST INCU.RRED ,BY 50RT FOR
THE BANNER LOCATED ON MISSI5SIPPI ST. DURING RECYCLING WEEK. ..,
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UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CAAIRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED TNE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
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Mr. Svanda stated that on page 6 of the Environmenta] Quality Commission minutes,
the Commission had made a motion acknowledging and app]auding the efforts of the
City in taking the initiative to install a used crankcase oi] recycling faci7ity
at the SORT facility.
Ms. Schnabel stated the Planning Cor�nission certainly appreciates the work SORT
is doing, and the Planning Cor�nission would also concur with the Environmental
Quality Cor�nission's motion to acknowledge and app7aud the City's efforts in
installing the used oil recycling facility.
Mr. Svanda stated it is going to take a concerted effort to get city residents
to recycle, and there is a certain amount of expense incurred by SORT, not only
in time, but al�o_in money as far as publishing and distributing literature to
city residents and expanding their recycling efforts. Therefore, the Environ-
mental Ouality Comnission had made a motion on page 6 of the minutes to recommend
to the City Council that the City share with SORT 50% of the profits the City
realizes from the oil recyc]ing facility once the City captures the cost incurred
in purchasing and insta]ling the faci7ity.
Ms. Schnabel stated this way of giving income to SORT for promotion of the facility
appealed to her. Rather than taking tax dollars from the residents of Fridley,
they are taking something from the recyc7ing center itse]f and using it for
publicity and promotion of the facility. r�
Ms. Gabel stated that printing and publishing costs are very high, and profits
from the recycling center are very low. She felt SORT needed the money to help
provide information to the public, as that is basica]ly what SORT uses the money
for.
MOTION BY MR. SVANDA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO CONCUR WITli TAE ENVIRONMENTAL
QUALITY COMMISSION'S MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIZ TXAT THE CITY� UPON
REALIZING A RETlIRN FROM TAE USED DIL RECYCLING FACILITY LQCATED AT THE SORT
RECYCLING FACILITY WIiICH EpUALS THE CITY'S COSTS ASSOCIATED WlTH PROVIDIAIG THE
USED OIL RECYCLING FACILITY� SNARE 50/50 IN FUTURE PROFITS WITH SORT.
UPON A VDICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AY,E� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Svanda stated he appreciated the Planning Commission's support in these
motions.
4. RECEIVE APRIL 27, 1982� APPEI4LS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED SY MR. KOAIDRICK� TD RECEIVE TEE APRIL 27� .I982�
APPEAIS COMMISSION MINUTES.
Ms. Gabel stated the petitioner at this meeting was very we77 p,�epared and had
laid out goals, objectives, and alternatives for the Coriunission. It was very ^
helpful for the Commission members to make a decision. She stated that at a
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future Appeals Commission meeting, she thought they should discuss the possi-
bility of having some kind of hand-out that a petitioner would receive from
Staff when that person comes in to fi]1 out an app7ication. It might he7p the
public in terms of what kind of information is needed before appearing before
the Appeals-Gommission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSZY.
5. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION�OF A PROPOSED PRECI�IINARY�PLAT
P.S. 82-01;�DOTYJ�E � ER� DDITION; Blf'�: G,�DO D'G Y'�E� "
Public hearing open.
Mr. Wel]ner stated the plat had not yet arrived.
Mr. Boardman stated the p]at is going to be similar to the drawing the Planning
Cormnission members had in their agenda packet. He stated the P]anning Commission
is only reviewing the preliminary plat. Final plat is prepared and submitted to
the City Council, and the City Council will be reviewing the final plat with a
public hearing also. � �
Mr. Michael Larson, 6390 Starlite Blvd., stated he would have a problem with the
Planning Commission approving a plat they had not seen.
Mr. Wellner stated he had called the surveyor, and there was nothing substantially
different in the plat than what the Planning Commission had before them. He
stated they have a7ready scheduled with the City of Frid]ey for sewer, water, and
street. By not acting on the preliminary p7at, they will be de]ayed another
month, or it could possibly set them back 4-5 months. .
Ms. Schnabel stated she could understand the problems Mr. Wel7ner and Mr. Doty
were facing, but since the plat was not at the meeting, she would fe�] very
uncomfortable acting on the plat without seeing it.
Mr. Wellner stated he was concerned with the timetable only, because they are
scheduled to go before City Council with final plat on June 7.
Mr. Boardman stated they may want the Planning Commission to authorize the public
hearing notification so they can still have the JuQe 7 public hearing at City
Council for final plat.
Mr. Wellner stated he would have no problem auith that.
Mr. Wellner stated the intent of this p7at is to pro vide the op$ortunity for
,� zero lot line;however, he, as the builder, would not be forced to sell all the
duplex units, He could maintain them as duplexes and could rent out both sides.
The reason for this is it is extremely difficult to get financing for a$140,000
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unit, but this would allow them to be able to se17 one-half of a unit for a
$70,000 mortgage, which was more affordab7e. But, he stated he did not think
the intent was to force this a71 into an R-1 development. T�e intent is to
provide the opportunity for zero �ot line so they have the flexibi7ity of sel7ing
one-half of �� duplex separately.
Mr. Larson stated he is representing the neighborhood. He stated the neighborhood
was going to reject the rezoning and take their chances with the M-1 zoning, but
they have compromised with the rezoning of Lots 1, 7, and 8 as R-1 and Lots 2-6
as R-2, providing Mr. Qureshi can provide zero lot lines to increase the
potential for owner-occupied units, a requirement for attached or tuck-under
garages, and minimum square footages for the structures.
MOTIOAI 8Y MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST� TO CONTINUE THE PUBLZ'C HEARING ON
THE CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT� P.S. #82-01� DOTY/WELLNER
ADDITION� BY W. G. DOTY AND GARY WELLNER� UNTIL THE MAY 19��1982� PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING, AND TO AUTADRIZE STAFF TO ISSUE THE PUB,LIC HEARING NOTICES
FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL AT THE CITY CDUNCIL MEETING ON JUNE 7, .Z982.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TAE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY N1R. SASA� TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A VOICE
VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRWOMAN SCHNAEEL DECLARED TXE MAY 5� 1982� PLAIdNING
COMMIS5IDN MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
f
y Saba
Recording Secretary
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