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PL 08/18/1982 - 30581C ITY. OF FRI DLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 18, 1982 CALL TO ORDER: - Chairwoman Schnabel called the August 18, 1982, Planning Cor�nission meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Ms. Schnabe7, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr.Svanda, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Saba Members Absent: Ms. van Dan Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Gerald Paschke, 7260 University Ave. N.E. APPROVAL OF AUGUST 4, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: �IOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO APPROVE THE AUGUST 4, 1982� PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES. ' '� The following changes were made to the minutes: Page 2, paragraph 8, second line: Change "propoer" to�" ro oser". Page 3, paragraph 2 under Item 2, second line: Change "mo� "body" UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL V017NG AYE, CAAIRWQMAN SCHNABEZ DECLARED THE MINUTES APPROVED AS AMENDED. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING RE UEST, ZOA #82-04, BY G. W. PASCHKE: Rezone from M-1 light in ustria areas to C-2 general business areas),�Lots 4 and 5, Block 3, University Industrial Park, to be part of a new shopping area on University Avenue, the same being 7941 and 7981 RancF�ers Road N.E. MOTION BY MR. SABA� SEC �11DED EY 1�. SVANDA� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ZDA #82-04 BY G. W. PASCH7�. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TNE PUBLIC 6EARING OPEN AT 7:38 P.M. Mr. Boardman stated Lots 4 and 5 are the lots in question. Lots 6, 7, and 8 are presently zoned C-2. The proposal being submitt�d is actual]y for two cor.unercial buildings; therefore, Mr. Paschke is requesting that Lots 4 and 5 be rezoned to C-2 to make one contiguous parcel for the deve7opment of the buildings. ;� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 18,�1982 PAGE 2 � Mr. Boardman stated ther� are several things to consider, which are not necessarily a consideration of the rezoning; however, when they consider development on Lots 4 and 7, across Rancher's Road in Block 4, there is a 100 ft. setback requirement on industrial whPn it is across from a cor�nercial district. In this situation where there is only a 152 ft.-deep lot,�,there will probably be variance requests for setbacks. He stated variances were granted with the plat on Lot 7 and another a ot up in the corner. When the plat was approved, the variance on the setback sas reduced to 35 ft. because it was zoned comnercial. Mr. Boardman stated the drainage is pretty well being handled. The drainage right now is all flowing to the back lots where there is a holding pond that was established for the entire development. MOTION BY 1NR. SABA� SECONDED 9Y 1�IR. OQiIIST� TD CLOSE TXE PUBLIC XEARSNG ON • ZOA �i82-04 PY G. W. PASCAKE. UPON A VOICE YDTE� ALL YOTING AYE� CXAIRWG�lAN DECIARED THE PUBLIC HEARZNG CLOSED AT 7:54 P.1r1. Mr. Oquist stated this request to have all the lots on the south end zoned commer- cial seemed reasonable. When it was platted, they did allaw the variance to the property across the'�,street to allow for a 35 ft. setback. Ms. Schnabel stated she also thought the initial planning was appropriate for this�-�, area. MOTION BY 1�2 . OpiIIST � SECONDED HY l�t . KONDRICK, TO RECOA:MEND TO CI TY COUNCZL APPROVAL OF RE20NING REQUEST d82-04 BY G. W. PASCAKE TO RE20NE FROM JH-I (LIGXT INDUSTRIAL AREAS) TO C-2 (GENERAL BUSINESS AREAS) � LOTS 4 AND 5� BZ�OCK 3� UNIVERS72Y INDU5TRIAL PARIC� TO BE PART OF A NEW SXOPPING AREA ON UNIVERSITY AVENUE� THE SA1NE BEING 7941 AND 7981 RANCHERS ROAD N.E. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CXAZRWOMAN SCANABEL DECLARED TXE MOTION CAFtRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Boardman stated this request would go to City Counci] on Sept. 13. 2. RECEIVE AUGUST 3, 1982, PARKS 6 RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: 1NOTIDN BY MR. XONDRICK� SECONDED 8Y J�di. SAEA, TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 3� 1982� PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MIIINTES. iIPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE, CXAIRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED THE J�lOTION CARI;ZED UNANIINOUSLI'. "Mr. Kondrick stated the Parks & Recreation Commissio�i made a motion on page 4 to the City Council regarding fee schedules, recommending that "yroups from schools within the city limits of Fridley (School Dist. 11, 13. T4. and 16) or schools with Fridley students attending that educational center (Grades K-12) and groups associated with these schools would all be considered resident groups. -"'� � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 18, 1982 � ��'� �" 'pAG� 3 � � � � - � Ail other school groups would be considered non-residents. Resident groups to be charged $1.00 per person and given top priority on tFie use of Sprinqbrook Nature Center and non-resident groups to be charged $1.50 per person and given second priority." _ Ms. Gabel stated she had a real problem �rith one governmental agency paying another governmental agency. She realized the City and the schools are in a financial bind, but she did not see how one governmenta7 agency charging another governmental agency solved anything. She recognized the problem, but she did not like this solution to that problem. Mr. 4quist stated he understood what Ms. Gabel was saying, but he did not have a problem with it. He stated they see that in industry all the time, where one division funds another division to do work,even though t[�e money is all coming out of the same corporate hat. - Ms. Gabel stated the difference is that private industry is not coming out of the taxpayer's pocket. Mr. Svanda asked if there was a break for people or children who could not afford to pay the user's fee. Mr. Kondrick stated no one would be denied because of inability to pay. n Ms. Gabel stated sometimes children are left at the school when the rest of the children go on a field trip because they do not pay. If the City starts charging these fees, they are setting it up for these kinds of situations. Ms. Schnabel asked if this fee was just a method of collecting revenue for programming and it was not necessary to collect the fee because of the amount of time Mr. St. Clair is spending that keeps him away from other parts of his job or because he cannot handle the present volume? Mr. Kondrick stated that was correct. Mr. Kondrick stated it is just like anything else. Whene�er you play or partici- pate in any type of organized programming, you have to pay for it. He did not know why this type of programning should be excluded. Ms. Schnabel stated the problem is that those programs are voluntary; whereas, a school field trip may be a scheduled thing in the school a�d �he chi7d would have to go. Ms. Gabel stated that if there is such a demand for this type of programming, why not charge people outside the Fridley school disrtricts and not the school districts within Fridley as the taxpayers are already paying for.itY Mr. Oquist stated he still did not see what was wrong with one function like that � helping to pay for itself. From a business standpoint, it was a good idea. He stated the dollars collected can be used for all kinds of things in the park, and it is not money that is going to be flushed down the drain. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 18, 1982 PAGE 4 Mr. Boardman stated they have to understand that there wil] be some cuts. There are some very serious financial difficulties because of state cutbacks. Fee schedules are going to have to be raised for anything ihat is a special aciivity. • �+Is. Schnabel stated that, at�this point, she was not convinaed there was a problem financially. Mr. St. Clair's salary is being paid, it has been budgeted fiar, and he is doing his job, and she did not see the need for an extra fee at this time. Maybe a need wil] be demonstrated in the future, but she did not see that need yet. Mr. Saba stated he had no problem with the fee concept, but his problem was with any children who might be excluded from a field trip because of inability to pay the $1. He stated maybe there should be some kind of cor�nunication frorn the Parks & Recreation Department to the school system stating that no c�ild would be denied programming if they could not afford the $1. Then, no child would be required to stay at school in another �lass because he/she could not afford to go on the field trip to the nature center. MOTION BY MR. KONDRICIC� SECONDED BY MR. OpUIST� TO CONCUR WITH TEE MOTION MADE BY TXE PARKS � RECREATION COMMISSION ON AUGUST 3� 1982, AND TO RECOINMEND TO CITY COUNCIL TXAT RESIDENT GROUPS BE CHARGED S.I/PERSON AND BE GIVEN TOP PRIORITY OF THE USE OF THE SPRINGBROOK NATURE CENTER, AND THAT NON-RESIDENT GROiIPS BE CXARGED ^ 51.50/PERSON AND BE GIVEN SECOND PRIORITY OF TXE USE OF THE NATURE CENTER. Mr. Saba stated he would like to see a statement in the motion indicating that there be some communication between the City and the schools that no child would be�excluded because of inability to pay. MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO AMEND THE ABOVE MOTION TO INCLADE A STATEMENT THAT TXE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD AISO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COMMUNICATE TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TNAT NO CHILD IS TO BE EXCLUDED PROGRAMMING BECAUSE OF INABILITY TO PAY. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Kondrick stated there was some discussion on the part of the Parks & Recreation Commission regarding the City's funding the Northeast Chamber Ensemb]e and the City Band. He stated the Cort�nission will be meeting with the president of the City Band and the manager of the Northeast Chamber Ensemble at their next meeting in order to get some answers to some of the Cor►xnissioners' questions. Mr. Saba suggested they discuss the possibility of �he band and chamber�ensemble members raising money through industry, rather than•seeking city funding. � ."� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGtlST ]8, 1982 PAGE 5 Mr. Kondrick stated the Parks & Recreation Comnission made a motion on page 7 recor�nending the City Council sell 3 feet of Terrace Park land to John & Darlene Zurawski in order for them to build an addition on their home. He stated this would �at affect the intended use of the park. and he would recomnend the Planning Commission concur with that motion. ' � 3�lOTION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECOlVDED BY �t. SABA� TO CONCUR WITA TXE �IOTION MADE BY THE PARKS & RECREATION COINMISSION AND TO RECOMMEND TD CITY C�INCIL�TBAT THE CITY SELL TD JOHN & DARLENE ZURAWSKI A ST32IP OF LAND NOT MORE THAN 3 FT. WIDE AND 155 FT. LONG ADJOINING THE PROPERTY OF TERRACE PARK FOR TRE PURPOSE OF AN ADDI- TION TO THEIR HOME AT 6767 - 7TF! ST. N.E. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CBAIRWOMAN SCANABEL DECLA.RED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 3. RECEIVE AUGUST 5, 1982, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY 1�2. OQUIST� SECONDED EY 1�. KONDRICK, TO RECEIVE TXE AUGUST 5� I982� HUMAN RESOURCE5 COMMISSION MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHAIABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY: � ADJOURNMENT: MOTIDN BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. SABA, TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A VOICE VOi'E, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRWOMAN SCNNABEL DECLARED TXE AUGUST 18, 1982� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:50 P.M. Respectfully subm'tted, y aba Recording Secretary �--� ..