PL 02/09/1983 - 6810PLANNING COMMISSION MEETIN6
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
CITY OF FRIDLEY
AGENDA
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WEDNESDAY, fEBRUARY 9, 1983
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 22, 1982
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2.
RECEIVE H�USING &
3. RECEIVE SP
T AUTHORITY MINUTES:
HUMAN RESOURCES COMP1
UARY 6, 1483
TION COMMISSION MINU
4. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: JANUARY 18, 1953
Variance for Dairy Queen - Council Agenda 2/7/83
5. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: JANUARY 24, 1983
Motion on page 4, Council Agenda 2/7/83
6. RECEIYE ENERGY CdMMISSION MINUTES: JANUARY 25, 1983
7. RECEIUE MINUTES OF A SPECIAL JOINT MEETING OF HUMAN R
A. Motion to recommend to Council, through Planning Comnission,
that $10,000 out of the 1982 CDBG Funds ($111,322) be allocated
to Alexandra House.
B. Motion to recomnend to Council, through the Planning Commission,
that out of the 1982 CDBG Funds ($111,322) $20>000 be allocated
to Proj. 1- Acquisition/Relocation Center City Project, and
$71,322 be allocated to Proj. 2- Rehabilitation-Handicap
Retrofit Weaterization.
C. Motion to recommend to Council, through the Planning Comnission,
the following Projects for 1983 CDBG Funds (Not Prioritizedj.
(See list in minutes)
8. OTHER BUSINESS:
ADJOURNMENT:
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7:30 P.M.
WH1TE
WHITE
SALMON
GREEN
YELLOW
GREEN
ORCHID
SALMON
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMI55ION MEETIP�f, �ECEMBER 22, 1982
CALL TO ORDER:
Chainvoman Schnabel called the December 22, 1982, Planning Commission meeting
to order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Menbers Present
Members Absent:
Others Present:
Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr, Svanda, Mr. Goodspeed,
Mr, Kondrick, Mr, Saba
None
Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
Robert H. Jessen, R, H. Jessen & Assoc. Architects,
Palatine, I11.
Jerome A. Jensen, Lyndale Terminal Co.
Bill Brezinsky, Suburban Engineering, Inc., Fridley
APPROVAL Of DECEMBER 8, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS, GABEL� SECONDED BY MR, SABA� TO RPPROVE TXE DEC, 8� 1982, PLANKING
COAfMISSZON MZNUTES AS WRITTEN,
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAZRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLRRED TXE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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sion No. 155, the same being 250 - 57th Avenue N.E.
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MOTZON BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TD OPEN TNE PUSLIC HEARING ON P.S. H82-(�2
SAGA SUBDIFZSION, LYNDALE TERMINAL COMPANy,
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNAIRWOMAN SCHNRBEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC XTiRRING
OPEN AT 7:33 P.M.
Mr, Deblon stated the property is located on the corner of 57th & University.
This plat is going to subdivide about 1.76 acres (76,624 sq, ft.) from the
existing parcel of lan�l, leaving about 77.34 acres. The lot split is for the even-
tual development of a restaurant known as The Cattle Company Restaurant. He stated
this restaurant is a very nice restaurant with entertainment, food, and alcoholic
beverages.
Mr. Deblon stated the only issue on the subdivision was the amount of parking,
Ne stated he would give a brief history of the codes and requirements for parking
in the City of Fridley, He stated Mr. Jensen of Lyndale Terminal Co. has also
applied for a variance to reduce the number of parking stalls and this was in the
Appeals Corrnission minutes of Dec. 14.
PLANNING COhA1IS5I0N MEETING, DECEMBER 22, 1982 PAGE 2
Mr. Deblon stated the Holiday Warehouse was built in 1966. The buiTding was
600 ft. x 270 ft. for a total square footage of 162,000 sq. ft. The city code
in effect in 1966 cailed for off-street parking to be three times or more of the
aggregate floor area and other area to be ultimately devoted to business purposes
in C-15 and C-2S which the land was zoned at the time. According to that regula-
tion, Holiday needed 486,000 sq. ft of parking spaces and aisles. Therefore,
Holiday ended up with a sea of blacktop around it. He stated Staff evaluated this
to see what would happen if they removed various parking areas for this subdivision,
green area, and other things. The net result was that with the subdivision and its
parking necessity for the restaurant and additional green area, there would still
be enough parking for Holiday as it was calculated according to the 1966 code,
his. Gabel stated she had checked the parking at Holiday Warehouse the last two
Sundays in the afternoon during the holiday shopping traffic, and there was no one
parking in the northeast corner where the restaurant would go in and very little
in the aisle next to it. Most of the parking moves to the west because of the
front door and the door on the west side. The first time, there were approx. 450
cars and the second time, there were approx. 550 cars. She stated she had checked
the parking because the parking would be at its maximum during the holidays,
Ms. Schnabel asked if Staff was satisfied that the parking was adequate for the
Holiday Warehouse if this proposal was approved.
Mr. Deblon stated Staff is trying to reduce tha pa�k?ng requirements. The new
code calls for one stall for every 150 sq, ft, of retail. That would require
Holiday 4Jarehouse today to provide 1,080 parking stalls. That would still exceed
what they really need. He stated his answer to Ms. Schnabel's question was "yes",
but he would like to have the burden of proof swayed over to the applicant a little
bit to prova that they really don't need the parking.
Ms. Schnabel stated that in all practicality, she agreed with Ms. Gabel. Every
time she has been to Holiday Warehouse, there has been more than enough parking,
It is not at all like other situations in Fridley where there is inadequate parking.
Ms. Gabel stated the excess parking is also an eyesore.
Mr. Deblon stated Staff feels the landscaping offered by The Cattle Company is
very adequate and Staff is very pleased with it. They feet it would be very con-
sistent to continue that landscaping theme aTong 57th and have caicuiated the
reduction of those parking stalls for the green area.
Ms. Schnabel stated that regarding the replat, did Staff feel there was any negative
aspects?
Mr. Deblon stated Staff has a concern about the trailers in the south area next to
694. They feel that as Holiday continues to build up a greater clientele for foods,
they may necessitate more trailers to bring in more goods, and possibly may have
the need for a traiTer storage area. There is a iittle concern regarding the refuse
around the building. This is not really related to the subdivision, and other than
these co�cerns, Staff had no other comnents.
PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 22 1982 PAGE 3
Mr. Jerome Jensen, Lyndale Terminal Co. (Holiday Warehouse), stated they are very
much in favor of this proposal. He stated they have had this property for quite
a few years and have never really utilized it. A number of years ago, they had
an opportunity to sell the northeast corner to another restaurant chain, but they
did not feel it was a very good offer and was not something they wanted in front
of their store. More recently, the SAGA Corporation or Stewart-Anderson's Cattle
Company Restaurant approached them. He stated they have been very pleased and
Fridley�areaStaHeastated,they have�workedtw�thtS#aff�onstheerealignment ofnthee
driveway.
Mr. Jensen stated they have just completed a redevelopment program with their
Holiday Warehouse South in Bloomington, which is a little larger than the Fridley
store at 188,000 sq. ft. Their volume for the total store is slightly higher
than the Fridley store. With their new development program, they have 611 parking
spaces, and that seems to be adequate even at this time of year. They feel the
number of parki�g spaces recommended by the Appeals Canmission (950 parking stalls)
on Dec. 14 should be more than adequate to service the area without creating a
problem to the surrounding area. He stated they would not be selling this land
if they felt it would jeopardize their store in any way. They have very adequate
parking in just three areas--the west, west front, and east front.
Ms, Schnabel asked what Mr. Jensen's feelings were in terms of Staff's recommendation
for the upgrading and landscaping by Holiday to be consistent with the Cattle Company
Restaurant.
Mr. Jensen stated that as far as taking out the additional parking stalls, it
should not have any negative affect from a parking stand�oint. From a landscaping
sta�dpoint, they would prefer to see those remain as parking stalls, simply because
the more green areas they have, the higher their maintenance costs and the harder
it is to keep those green areas looking nice. From a visibility standpoint, he did
not think there would be any problem; however, if the Commission feels this land-
scaping is required to make it work, they would do what the City desired.
Ms. Schnabel stated if the restaurant comes in and landscapes well, she would like
to see Holiday carry through and up9rade the whole area.
Mr, Jensen stated they have always tried to be a good neighbor to ali the surrounding
businesses and homes. Periodically, problems do come up, and they have tried to
solve them. He felt their record with the City was one of cooperation.
the blacktopaareatwasAugly�and�landscapinglwouldobreakae�tuptandPmake �t look�ahat
little bit better.
Mr. Jensen stated he did not know how much landscaping would even be seen, because
the road is slightly higher than the grade. The landscaping would slope away from
the road, so most of it would be invisible to anyone driving along 57th Ave.
PLANNING COMMISSIOt� MEE7ING, DECEM$ER 22, 1982 - PA6E 4
Mr. Jensen stated he thought they would be willing to work �•+ith the City. They
also have quite a bit of concrete curbing that is going to have to be put in
which is going to be very expensive.
Mr. Saba siated he did not feel the City should lock Holiday Warehouse into any
particular landscaping theme. He agreed that landscaping in this area does not
serve any real useful purpose. If Hoiiday decides to do it, that was fine and
the City could work with them; but he did not think it was fair to require
Holiday to have a certain type of landscaping theme, Ne stated there is also a
lot of vandalism in this area.
Ms. Gabel stated she lives near the store. She believed there was a maintenance
problem, and that maintenance has to be upgraded.
Ms. Schna6el esked Mr. Robert Jessen to show the Cortmission the restauran*_ plans.
Mr. Robert Jessen, R. H. Jessen & Assoc. Architects, stated this would be a 9,200
sq. ft, restaurant which includes a 500 sq, ft. messanine area. He stated Stewart-
Anderson restaurants cn the west coast are Black Angus Restaurants, and in the
Mid��est tf�ey are Cattle Company Restaurants. He stated this wiTl be the first
Cattle Company restaurant in Minnesota. They are presently worE:ing on one in
Minnetonka and perhaps one in Bloomingion. There are three open in the Midwest
right now in Illinois, three under construction, and three on the drawing board,
so there will be nine in Illinois. They also plan to expand in Wiscons9o,
Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, east and soutii. There are 87 restaurants at this time,most
of ther� loca±ed on the west coast and south in the Texas portion,
Mr. Jessen stated SAGA is the parent company. The restaurant does not offer live
entertainment. It has a disc jockey booth where they play the "top 20" record-
ings and have a small dance floor. They want to cater to all age groups and offer
a luncheon and evening menu at moderate prices. The restaurants have been very
successful; hence, the expansion program. He stated the seating capacity is 266,
plus 16 for waiting, totalling 282. Adding 30 employees makes a total of 312.
Mr. Jessen stated they will provide a 20 ft. landscaped buffer strip along Univ.
and 57th, a 25 ft. strip on the west side, plus numerous landscaped islands and
an irrigation plan. The matn entrance faces 57th with a secondary entrance facing
University.
Mr. Deblon stated Staff has notice� that this particular corner at 57th 8 Univ.
has some foot traffit to the bus stop. Staff would recommend that a pathway or
sidewalk be constructed in that 20 ft. of greenway.
Mr. Jensen of Lyndale Term:nal Co „ stated he would be against a walkway in front
of their store all the way to Main St. Their store is surrounded by cortmercial
except for a few homes that front on 58th Ave. He did not see that much foot traffic.
Mr. Oquist stated the only kind of foot traffic is to and from Noliday on the east
side, but there is no foot traffic all the way up and down 57th. He could see no
need for a walkway in front of the propesed restaurant.
PLANNING COMMISSIGN MEETING, DECEMBER 22, 1982 PAGE 5
Ms. Schnabel stated it did not make sense to ask the restaurant to provide a
sidwalk to University Ave. when that is not city property. If the City feels a
walkway is important, then the Ciiy ought to put it in.
Mr. Kondrick, Mr, Svanda, Mr. Saba, and Ms. Gabel agreed.
MOTZON BY MS. GABEL� SECONDSD SY MR. SABA� TO CIASE TNE PUBLIC HERRING ON P.S.
N82-02i SAGA SUBDZVZSION� LYNDALE TERMSNAL CO.
UPON R VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING RY1:, CHAZRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLIIRED TXE PUBLIC
HEARING CIASED AT 8:53 P,M.
Mr. Oquist stated the restaurant sounded like a nice thiny for this area. It
would dress up that corrrer and the landscaping looked great. He had some misgivings
about the greenway proposed for Holicay Warehouse as the land does slope away
and because of the naintenar,ce.
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MR. XONDRICK� TO RECOMMEIiD TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARi' PLAT� P,S. N82-02� SAGA SUBDIVISZON� LYNDRLE TERb;INAL
COAfPANY� BESNG A REPLAT OF ZAT 13� AUDITOR'S SUBDZVISION NO. 155� THE SAME BEING
250 — S�TH AVENUE N,E. �
Mr. Deblon stated he would like to see the followir.c, stipulations added to the
motion: (1) there be a 30 ft. (20 ft, additional) greenway area in front of
Holiday Warehouse; and (2) Holiday Warehouse continue to work with Staff on various
other things like the screening of the trailers on the south side.
Mr. Jensen stated he questioned wheiher the things being discussed now really
pertained to the platting. He stated they have always tried to work with the
City; and if they haven't, they are willing to sit down and discuss these types
of things. To his knowledge, Lyndale Terminal or Holiday has not been informed
of these things. If Holida;� Warehouse was in violation of any code, he felt the
code was strong enough to bring these things into compliance.
MOTION '_'0 AMEfJD BY MR. OQUZST� SECONDED BY MR. XONDRICK� TO RECOMPIEND TO CITY
COUNCIL APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY PLAT� P,S. �182-02� SAGA SUBDIVISIDN, LYNDALT,
TERNZNRL COMP.�VY, BEING A REPLAT OF LOT I3� AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISIDN NO. I55� THE
SAME BEING 250-57TH RVENUE N.E., WITX THE STIPULATION THAT THE PEOP�E FROM NOLIDAY
WRREHOUS% WOtZX WITfI CZTY STAFF TO PROVIDE FOR A MINIMUM OF .2D ADDZTIO.✓PL FEET OF
GREENWAY AIANG 57TH AVE. (20 OR 30 FT. TO BE WORXED OUT BETWEEIi THE TWO PARTZES).
Mr. Oquist stated he would recommend that the City Council discuss those other
issues, but he did not feel they should be part of the motion.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE, CHAIRWOMAIJ SCHNABEL DEC�ARED THE �90TZON
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnabel state� this would go before the City Council on Jan. 10, 1983, along
with the variance request.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 22, 1982 PAGE 6
2. RECEIVE DECEMBER 14, 1982. APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
NOTZON BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY 1112, KONDRICK� TO RECEIVE THE DEC. 14, 5982�
APPEAIS COMAlISSiON MINU2ES.
UPON A YOICfi VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNAZRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED TXE MOTZON
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Gabel Stated that regarding an earlier variance request by Burger King,
when they went before the City Council, they said they had called City Hall
and someone at City Hall had toid them if they took down the small directional
sign then had, it would be alright to put up the message sign. She stated this
was not the store representatives from Burger King told the Appeals Comnission.
She wanted the Planning Cortmission members to know that Burger King changed
thier story for the City Councit.
3. RECEIVE DECEMBER 2. 1982, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION 8Y NR. GOOASPEED, SECONDED BY MR, OQUIST� TO RECEZVE THE DEC. 2� 2982,
HUMAN RESOURCES Q�MMISSION MINUTES,
Ms. Schnabel stated she was very sorry to see Ms. van Dan resign as chairperson
of the Human Resources Comnission. She had enjoyed having her on the Planning
Cormission; however, she was very glad to see Ms, van Dan continue as a comniss�on
member.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL bECLARED THE MOTION
CARRiED ONANIMOUSLY,
4. RECEIVE DECEMBER 14, 1982, COt4MUWITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MQTZON 8Y NR, OpUZST� SECONDED BY XIt. SABA� TO RECEIVE TXE DEC. 14, 1982� COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT COMMZSSION MZNUTES.
Mr, Oquist stated that in going again ir�to the work plan cycle, the Commission
has felt a iot of frustration on what direction the Corrm�nity �evelopment Commission
should be taking, He stated he feit they have last one commission member because
of the things that have happened.
Mr. Oquist stated the Cortmunity Deve7opment Commission members have often felt like
they are no more than a mini-Planning Commission. The things they get invoived
with� the Planning Commission also gets involved with. They have asked for, but
rever received any direction. They have gotten sane action items to discuss through
Staff. They alsa tried the work planning process artd did do a few things, nor�e of
which were accepted by the C{ty Council.
Mr. Oquist stated maybe part of a proposal would be that the Commission become a
project cortmittee where the Cortmission would be assigned a project with a starting
and finishing date, a goal and objective. The one problem ti�ould be in keeping
the Commission members. As the cfiairperson, he personally did not like to have
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 22 1982 , PAGE 7
meetings with only one item on the agenda. 7he December mee�ing was the first
meeting in six months, and he felt they had not even been missed. He stated
there are good people on this Co�nission and they want to do something that has
some worth.
Mr. Oquist stated that maybe the Planning Comnission should recommend to the
City Council that the City Council take a good look at the commission system as
it is today and decide what they expect from the comnissions.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would discuss this concern with Mayor Nee.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TXE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. GOOASPEED� TO AA70URN THE MEETING. UPON
A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRWOMRIJ SCHNABEL DECLRRED THE DECEMBER 22� 1982.
PLANNING COMMZSSZON MEETING AA70URNED AT 9:95 P.M.
Respectfully subm tted,
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Recording Secretary
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
MEETING
DECEMBER 9, 1982
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Commers called the December 9, 1982, Housing & Redevelopment Authority
meeting to order at 7:33 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
MeMbers Present: Larry Commers, Mr. Prieditis, Mr. Prairie, Ms. Svendsen
Members Absent: Mr. Rasmussen
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman,City Planner
John Flora, Public Works Director
Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
Jim Robinson, Planning Staff
Bob Barnette, Councilman
Dennis Schneider, Councilman
Ed Hamernik, Councilman
Erland Eckberg, 2140 Spruce Trail, Golden Valley
Ruth Dunn, Fridley Sun
See attached list
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 18, 1982, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTZON BY MR, pRAIRIE, SECONDED BY MS. SVENASEN� Tp ApPROt/E THE NOV, 18, 1982�
NOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORZTY MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNC, RYE, CXAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED TXE MOTION
CARRIED UNRNIMOUSLY.
1. MOORE LAKE DISTRICT
a. Proposal for 96-unit Condominium Project by Erland Eckberg
Mr. Commers stated the HRA had sent notices out regarding the presentation
Mr. Eckberg was going to make at this meeting. He stated this was an open
meeting based on those notices. At this time, he would turn the meeting
over to Mr. Boardman, Executive Director of the HRA,
Mr. Boardman stated he would like to discuss briefly what the Moore Lake
Redevelopment District was. Ne stated the Moore Lake Redevelopment
District was established in early 1981. The boundary on the south is
694, it goes up Highway 65 and includes the comnercialJretail area that
has the bowling alley, pet clinic, and funeral home, goes across Highway 65
to include the Shorewood Shopping Center, includes the area along Old Central
north to Mississippi St., and then along Old Central south back to 694.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9 1982 PA6E 2
Mr. Boardman stated the City, along with the HRA, has established three
redevelopment districts in the City--the Center City Redevelopment District,
the Moore Lake Redevelopment District, and the North Area District on
University Ave. in the area of the Springbrook Nature Center.
Mr. Boardman stated that in looking at the overall city, they have selected
areas that have deteriorating conditions, such as vacant lands, property
that hasn't developed because of poor soil conditions, and non-use of land
(example is the drive-in facility that has not come on the tax roles for
the City like it should).
Mr. Boardman briefly explained what a tax increment district means. He
stated the general purpose of the establtshment of a tax increment district
is because within the next years, the City and the HRA feel that certain
properties wi11 not develop and, therefore, wil] be a burden to the tax-
payers without any development. Tax increment means that the development
generated through assistance from the HRA pays for the improvements that
are necessary because of that development.
Mr. Boardman stated that, at this point in time, the City has not done any
traffic studies or traffic analysis in the Moore Lake area,but he would like
to explain some of the City's thoughts on the development around the Moore
Lake area.
Mr. Boardman stated it has always been the City's concern that the Shore-
wood Shopping Center is not a viable center in the sense that it is not
providing the type of neighborhood services that are necessary within the
comnunity. Overall, in the City's comprehensive planning, they have looked
at the Ho]ly Center and the Center City area for city-wide shopping, and
have designated several areas as neighborhood shopping centers. Shorewood
is one of those areas designated for a neighborhood shopping center, It
is the City's intent to revitalize the Shorewood area and make it a more
v�able neighborhood shopping area. One of the problems in this area has
been the traffit on Old Central. Those traffic problems are primarily
bypass problems.
Mr. 8oardman stated that with some intersection modifications, they could
possibly turn Old Central into a greenway system. One of the intersection
modifications would be at Rice Creek Road and Old Central. Another inter-
section that needs modifying is at Old Central and Highway 65.
Mr. Boardman stated that in looking at the overall development, one way
of making this a viable area was to develop more housing. The City of
Fridley is about 98� developed in housing, and they feel there is a need
for alternative types of housing. They have looked at this area as a viable
area for ownership housing such as ownership-townhouse or ownership-condo-
minium. They have also looked at doing some type of elderty housing on
the corner of Old Central and Rice Creek Road. There is a need in the City
of Fridley for elderly housing. Village Green in Fridley and most of the
elderly housing in the County have waiting lists that are quite lengthy.
HQUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9 1982 PAGE 3
Mr. Boardman stated that at the intersection of Moore Lake Drive and
Highway 65, there are service road problems that create unnecessary
congestion at that intersection. They would be attempting to eliminate
the service drive in that area, redirect the traffic flow to the Shore-
wood Inn from behind, and provide adequate parking for the Shorewood Inn.
Mr. Boardman stated one important resource in this area is �oore Lake.
The City Council has cortmitted itself to the clean-up of Moore Lake. He
stated he thought one of the things they look at when they talk about
a tax increment district is how they can best serve the comnunity and best
serve this area.
Mr. Boardman stated that, at this time, he would turn the meeting over to
the developer, Mr. Erland Eckberg, who is making the proposal to the HRA
at this meeting for a 96-unit condominium project.
Mr. Erland Eckberg stated he was the owner of Eckberg Assoc. Architects.
He stated that for some time, they have been looking for a desirable site
for this type of project, He felt the Fridley site was the most desirable
and the kind or project they are interested in,
Mr. Eckberg stated there are two 13-story towers that are of brick and
reinforced concrete construction, The orientation of the two towers
would indicate that the re7ationship of the towers to Moore Lake and the
exposure of both the south and southwest was very important to the success
of this project. He stated access would be off Old Central with the drive-
ways leading around to the two units. 6uest parking and entrance to the
towers would be at grade level. The owners of the condominium units would
drive around to the side and drive in at a lower elevation to a two-level
garage which fias the same configuration as the guest parking lot.
Mr. Eckberg stated most of the glass would be facing the water, and they
have developed the buildings in such a way so the walls have a shadow
affect which would give a very interesting profile to the buildings.
Mr. Eckberg stated the main entrance is the amenity level and then there
would be 12 levels of residents above that. There are four units to a
floor with two electric elevators servicing each floor. There are a total
of 45 units per building. He stated they intend to do a lot of land-
scaping with berming and trees. He stated trees would be saved wherever
possible, plus they would plant new trees and plantings to complement the
entire site, The intent is to continue the park-like affect that already
exists. They are hoping it would actually upgrade the park affect.
Walkways from the existing park would go on into this area and on to
a possible senior citizen project on the corner of Rice Creek Road and
Old Central.
Mr, Eckberg stated each unit has two bathrooms, two bedrooms, one grand
room, a large kitchen, snack area, formal dining room, and laundry space.
Each room has individual balconies that look out over the water. A lot
of the interior walls will be of exposed brick. The entire facility,
including the garage areas, will have a sprinkling system.
HOUSTNG & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1982 PAGE 4
Mr. Eckberg stated they did not provide for outside tennis courts, out-
side or inside swimming pools, because they wanted to keep the monthly
service fee at a manageable leve7, and to keep the site parklike.
Mr. Eckberg stated that as the developer of the project, he would also
be the architect and the bui]der of the project. One of the reasons for
developing the project was because he intended to be one of the residents
of the building.
Mr. Boardman stated that in looking at the project development, Staff had
looked at the affect of the views of the area. He showed five slides of
the proposed development as seen from five different locations.
Mr. Comners asked what the total proposed cost was for the overall project
and what the size was of the parcel of land requested.
Mr, Eckberg stated each building represents approximately $7 million, so
the overall project was in the neighborhood of $14 mfllion. He stated the
parcel of land is about 10.2 acres.
Mr. Prairie asked Mr. Eckberg what the height of the buildings would be.
Mr. Eckberg stated that from floor to floor is 10 ft., so the elevation
of the walkout facing the lake would be 130 ft. It would be 120 ft. from
Old Central because cf tf�e change in grade.
Mr. Prieditis asked about the cost of each unit and the size of each unit.
Mr. Eckberg stated that right now they are looking at a range of $150,000-
$175,000 per unit. Much will depend on how the bids turn out when they
bid the project. The average size of each unit is 7,540 sq, ft, and about
450 sq. ft. of balconies for each unit.
Mr. Commers asked if Mr. Eckberg had done any soil testing in this area
to determine the feasibiltty of the site to sustain these buildings.
Mr. Eckberg stated he has talked to peop]e who have looked at this general
area and who have told him the soil is favorable in the area he is looking
at, but he has not done any soil borings at this time. He felt they were
holding these buildings back far enough so they would be out of the poor
soil area, but that would have to be confirmed with a soil test.
Mr. Commers asked Mr. Eckberg what the feasibility of the project was in
terms of the availability of financing and what would be the timing on
the project, if there was a go-ahead.
Mr. Eckberg stated that if the concept is approved by the HRA, they would
build an actual model of one of the units on one of the vacant pieces of
Tand near the site. and then presell 80% of the first building. 7hey
would not start any construction until 80% of the units in the first
building was sold.
HOUSING & REDE4ElOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETiNG, DECEMBER 9, 1982 PAGE 5
Mr. Commers stated that from the time 80% of the first building was
presold, what would be the timing required to actually begin and finish
construction?
Mr. Eckberg stated the construction phase would take about 12 months.
As soon as they presell the 80% on the first building, they would start
preselling for the second building so there would not be a time lag
between the construction of the two buildings. Some people may even
prefer to be in the second building.
Mr. Prairie asked that if there were not enough sales on the second
building, would a second building be built?
Mr. Eckberg stated he believed that if they were able to sell 80� of the
first building, the second one would sell fairly easily.
Mr. Cortmers asked that with regard to this particular site, was there any
possibility of any leeway of movement of the buildings within this area?
Mr. Eckberg stated the buildings can be shifted, However, they have
located in the most idealistic spot with relationship to the lake, the
road, an� the geogr,aphy of the land.
Mr. Cortmers stated he would now open up the discussion and hear comments
and questions from the audience,
Mr. Walter Rydberg, 6127 Woody Lane, N.E., stated he has lived in this
area for 25 years. He remembered when the se�:er and water was put in,
and he did not think the sewer and water pipes were big enough to handle
these big buildings. The same was true for electricity. plus the City
was talking about building another aQartment for the elderly on the corner
of Rice Creek Road and Old Central. Where were all these utilities going
to come from? He stated there is also a traffic problem. How is this
traffic going to be handled?
Mr. Boar�nan stated that when Mr. Eckberg came in with this proposal, 5taff
looked at it in relationship to the total development in this area. The
sewer and water and storm 5ewer are all in place and will handle a great
deai more than this one project. This proposed projett, plus a townhouse
project, and an elderly project would generate approximately .2 cu. ft.
per second itow. The existing line capacity in that area presently has a
capacity of 6.25 cu, ft, per second. There has r�ever been a pro6lem in
this area with sewer capacity. The water line is a 72-inch line, and the
sewer line is an 8-inch ]ine and would handle the capacity. According to
the�City Engineers, the capacity right now is far below what the actual
usage could be.
Mr. Commers stated they do recagnize there is a traffic problem, and that
is part of the reason why they are trying to do some redevelopment in the
area in order to help remedy the traffic problem that does exist. Whether
or not this project goes, there is going to have to be some traffic improve-
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9 1982 PAGE 6
ments on Old Central, either in terms of trying to divert the Medtronic
and Onan traffic over to Highway 65 before it comes down to Rice Creek
Road, and something has to be done at the intersection of Old Central
and Highway 65. But, they need some deveTopment to get the taxes from
the development to make the changes that are necessary.
Ms. Jackie Lentz, 6053 Central Ave. N.E., stated she was very impressed
with Mr. Eckberg's buildings. They would be lovely to live in, but most
of the residents feel the site chosen is not the most favorable for them.
She stated she had been chosen by a graup of the neighbors in the district
to present a letter and petition to the HRA.
Ms. Lentz stated that a couple of years ago when the HRA had their initial
hearings on the redevelopment areas, she did attend and at that time, there
was talk about the possibility of townhouses, dupTexes, and those types of
housing being in this area. 7here was no out-cry from the citizenry at
that time, and she felt those kinds of things were acceptable; however,
at that time, nothing was mentioned about the possibiTity of highrises
and certainly nothing was mentioned about taking people's property and
homes. Consequently, it came as quite a surprise to the residents who
recaived the letters and information in the mail a couple of weeks ago;
possibly most surprising to those people whose property was involved. She
stated they had a neighborhood meeting, and Mr. Boardman had been very
generous to spend a lot of time with them answering questions and explain-
ing the project.
Ms. Lentz read the following petition letter: "We the undersigned home-
owners in the area currently included in redevelopment district I on the
east side of Moore Lake respectfully request that consideration of the
highrise condominium proposal on the west side of Central Ave, be denied.
This request is based on several areas of concern; a few of which are:
(l� The property is, and has been at all times, zoned R-1 single
family residential, the same as our homes.
(2) All existing structures are less than two stories in height
and the proposed multi-storied structures weuld be aesthetica7ly
inappropriate in our area.
(3) The uncertainty of what type of traffic wil] be generated on an
already heavily traveled road (Central Ave.).
(4) The problem for the homeowners whose homes would be removed in
iocating any comparable property near a 7ake.
{5) The potential loss in va7ue to remaining homes near the highrise
structures,
"Thank you far your consideration of our concerns. We would be pleased to
work with a neighborhood committee to assist the HRA on any proposals for
improvements and/or deve7opments in our area."
Ms, Lentz stated she would aiso iike to express a few more concerns that
have been raised by the neighbors.
HQUSING & REDEVEIOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1982 PAGE 7
Ms. Lentz stated one of those concerns was the usage of Moore Lake Park.
Right now the park is alrtrost to the point of being overused. If they
added 96 more units, that is anywhere from 96-200+ people. The neighbors
had been led to believe that tennis courts might be part of the new
development, but that is not the case, Moore Lake Park has already got
overloaded tennis courts. She stated the baseball diamonds and the picnic
facilities would be very attractive for the people from the new develop-
ment to use. Ts this truly fair to the people in the City who are already
able to use those facilities?
Ms, Lentz stated the view and amenities the residents have with Moore Lake
Park is one of the reasons why the neighbors bought in this particular
area. Is that to be set aside in order to develop a highrise condominium?
Ms. Lentz asked if an environmental study was going to be done which would
deal with the usage of the park, and how a development of this kind would
affect Moore Lake as a 1ake.
Ms. Lentz stated the neighborhood, including the four property owners
affected, had received this information in plain brown envelopes. Perhaps
there is a manner in which the HRA can relay information to the people in
a more considerate fashion. If she was one of the four property owners,
she would have been very distraught and very upset and wondering as to
what exactly was going on, and why they were not given some consideration
to be at least forewarned of this kind of thing,
Ms. Lentz stated the neighborhood wants to be of assistance to the City.
They realize development needs to be done in this area, and they would like
to help the City in finding a deve7oper that would be acceptaDle to the
City and the neighborhood. They would propose settiag up a committee
that would be updated on new plans, etc. She thanked the HRA very much
for their time.
MOTZON BY MR. PRAIRIE� SECONDED BY MS, SVENDSEN� TO RECEIVE PETZTION
NO. 11-82 INTO THE RECORD.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG RYE, CXAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE
MOTZON CRRRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Commers asked Mr. Boardman to explain the removal of homes, if this
project would proceed as it is presently proposed.
Mr. Boardman stated there are six homes that would be removed for this
development as proposed. By law, the HRA is required to meet the require-
ments of the Federal Relocation Act. That requires them to get appraised
values on those homes. The owners can also get their own appraisals;
the City would then attempt to negotiate a purchase value. That purchase
value would be offered if a value can be negotiated. If a purchase value
cannot be negotiated with a property owner, then the HRA has the alternative
of going to condemnation. Preferably, the HRA would not have to go that
direction.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMEN7 AUTHORI7Y MEETIMG, DECEMBER 9, 1982 PAGE S
Mr. Boardman stated that, secondly, under HUD regulations, the HRA
would pay damages (relocation fees). Those fees are set up to $15,000,
and there has been action in the legislation to even increase those
fees.
Mr. Commers asked Mr, Boardman if this proposed project would require
an environmenta] study in terms of its relationship to Moore Lake.
Mr. Boardman stated the development itself would not require an environ-
mental assessment according to the Environmental Quality Commission. The
only requirement of the development in relationship to Moore Lake is that
it cannot be in the floodway. ShoreTand management is not in effect in
the metro area. Shore]and management is a 100 ft. setback. He stated the
HRA can request an environmental study if they so choose, but it was his
understanding that one was not required.
Mr. Commers stated the question was raised with regard to improvements
and utiTities that might be needed and whether new curbs and gutters might
be needed on Old Central. Would any of these improvements be assessed
against the property owners?
Mr. Boardman stated that would be totally up to the HRA as to the direc-
tion they want to go on a parkway system and how much the HRA would want
to get involved in the development of that parkway system. He stated he
was not sure what assessments there would even be. All Staff is suggest-
ing at this time is they have the potential of looking at doing something
with Old Central from Rice Creek Road south to where it joins Highway 55.
It is merely a suggestion at this point because they feel it would enhance
the environment, not only of the park area, but also for the people along
Old Centrai.
Mr. Commers stated that to clarify what Mr. Boardman has said, there are
no plans for the redevelopment of Old Central at this time. If there is
some plan to redo the area, at that time, it would be up to whatever body
is going to do the remodeling and improvements to determine whether they
can pay for it or whether there would be any assessments,
Mr. Prieditis asked Mr. Boardman if any study has been done on the current
traffic ott Old Central. He was trying to relate how much traffic is gener-
ated now by Medtronic, Onan, and other firms and businesses to how much it
might increase with 96 more family units.
Mr. Boardman stated there are traffic counts on Old Central, and he would
guess there are approx. 10-12,000 vehicles per day on that road. That is
a heavy ]oad, and that is why the City feels traffic should be directed
over to a highway that is developed to handle that volume of traffic.
Mr. Bill Donohue, 1316 Hillcrest Dr. N.E., stated about 15 years ago he
read in a Minnesota Historica7 Society review that Moore Lake was one of
the oldest native American sites in the U.S. He believed there was an
o1d Indian burial ground behind St. Philips Lutheran Church. He wondered
how many people actually knew about the history of Moore Lake.
HOUSING & REDEUELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 4, 1982 PAGE 9
Mr. Ed Kaspszak, 1377 Hillcrest Dr, N,E., stated he is opposed to the
concept and the proposal as presented. However, as a taxpayer, he was
also keenly aware that something needed to be done in that area. His
only regret was that more thought and planning had not been put into it
after so many years. He stated he was in the area when there was no
Highway 55 and they took Old Central to get in and out of Minneapolis,
Highway 65 came about because of the Highway Dept., and he can remember
the large cranes digging into what was a swamp. That particular swamp
has been dry, and it has also been flooded. Moore Lake is just a man-
made hole. A few years ago, it was of great concern that Moore Lake would
even survive at all. It was touch and go between the City Council and
the federal governme�t to get enough federal funding in order to make a
study to see if the lake was even salvageable.
Mr. Kaspszak stated he is in the marketing and advertising business,
and he has a lot of clients who buitd condomi�iums. He questioned any
kind of development where there is a risk that the lake may not even
remain a lake.
Mr. Kaspszak stated he found out about this project strictly by word of
mouth. He was insulted as a taxpayer that a petitioner had to come to
his door and inform him of what was going on, He had received no notice.
He was told he did not live within the 350 ft. That was a ridiculous
rule when it affects his property. He stated he bought the house, because
the sunsets are fantastic. This particular project, the way it was pre-
sented, would ruin that particular perspective, not only for him, but for
everyone else who lives on Hillcrest.
Mr, Kaspszak stated this whole development as presented is totally out
of character with the neighborhood. He is not against development in that
general area, but he felt it was improper that people should be asked to
leave their homes. The concern has always bee� raised about the traffic
from the north to the south, but he has not heard anything about the
traffic that goes from the south to the north, which is also heavy.
Mr. Commers stated that with respect to the notices that were sent out,
the HRA did attempt to comply with the requirements, even thought it was
not satisfactory to everyone. There has to be some reasonable limitations
on who gets notified of these kinds of things. He stated they agreed to
go as far as Woody Lane and did not follow up on Hillcrest. With regard
to the lake itself, part of the reason for setting up the tax increment
district was to lend some assistance to the reclamation of Moore Lake.
Also, the City Council has approved a plan to go forward with trying to
do some things with the lake, He asked Councilman Schneider to tell
the status of Moore Lake from the City Council's point of view.
Mr. Sch�eider stated that 2-3 years ago, the City Council negotiated
the first phase of the Moore Lake reclamation project. That effort
included the diversion of the waters in Moore Lake park area, included
a diversian for the waters coming off Harris Lake drainage area, and
included the creation of a BASFU area. He stated the next phase of
the project includes some minor dredging of the lake, some additional
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITV MEETING, DECEMBER 9. 1982 PAGE 10
diversionary ditching and channeiing of water and control weirs within
the lake, as well as some treatmen; at the bottom of the lake. A
contract for that has been approved by the City Council.
Mr. Comners asked what amount of monies has been spent on the improvement
of Moore Lake to date.
Mr. Schneider stated there was approx. E468,000 in the first phase and
$468,000 in the second phase. That is not all city money, In the first
phase, 75% was non-city money, and the remaining 25% was collected out of
capital improvement funds over a number of years.
Mr. Commers asked Mr. Boardman if there has been any suggestions an how
the HRA could participate in the reclamation of hioore Lake.
Mr. Boardman stated there has not been a lot of discussion, but that is
one of the possible reasons why the tax fncrement distirct was established.
The HRA can get involved in handling some of the assessments or sor�e of
the excess development problems or excess cash flow problems with tax
increment that is generated from development.
Mr. Harold Swanson, 6064 Woody Lane N.E., stated he was against the
development, He stated he had three major concerns: (1) the present
property owners who live along Old Central; most of them have lived there
for a long time; (2) the proposed structures are too high for the area;
(3) the traffic problem this development could present in the future.
Mr. Swanson stated he realized there has to be sane development in this
area, but he could not understand why the buildings could not be moved
a little farther north closer to Rice Creek Road in order to ciean up
that area. The present property owners could stay, and they could also
divert some of the traffic on to Rice Creek Road.
Ms. Da� Nelson, 6080 Central Ave. N.E.. stated they have purposely built
their retirement home. It is their children's future home, their land,
and their view, If Mr. Eckberg wants to move into a condominium, that
was his privilege, but she did not want her privilege as an American
taken away from her.
The question was raised about fire prevention.
Mr. Eckberg stated the Uniform Building Code specifically addresses what
is required. There must be a tomplete fire spi^inkler system i� each unit
and al} common areas. including the garages, In addition, there are
siamese connections on the exterior of the 6uildir;gs so fire trucks and
equipment can add additional pressure to the line if the situation arises.
There will also be smoke alarms, and the whole system will De tied into
the Fire Dept., so any alarms would be interfaced with the Fire Dept.
HOUSING 8 REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9. 1982 PAGE 11
Ms. Maria Donohue, 1316 Hillcrest Dr, N.E „ stated she was very concerned
about the people who would have to leave their homes. She was also
thinking of the location and that the people who would live in these
tondominiums would probably not have children. Fridley needs more children.
Fridley's education system is sufferin9 a great deal, and School Dist. M14
lost a referendum because af so many people who do not have children. The
education system would suffer even more by having more people without
children.
Mr. David Landes, 5948 Woody Lane, N.E.. asked how the HRA was going to
determine what decision was in the best interest of the people and the
City.
Mr. Commers stated that is why they are having this public hearing, to get
all the input they can fron� the citizens. They w�ill then try to balance
that information and try to arrive at a decision that would be fair to the
residents and also adhere to the goais the City has with respect to
devetoping that lend and increasing the taxes. Obviously, it will not be
an easy decision,
Ms. Karla Blomberg, 1661 Camelot. stated she was not at the meeting as one
of the people directly affected. She stated she was a realtor in the area,
and she has also done some developing in Fridley. As a resident of Fridley,
she would much prefer to see this type of development than to see 1ow and
moderate income housing go in there. From being in the real estate busir�ess,
she has seen too ma�y areas destroyed by low and moderate income housing.
She stated they da not need that in Fridley. She thouglit the area could
bring in $150,000 homes, and it was great that Mr. Eckberg had chosen
Fridley. She stated it made her angry that FriEley is considered a moder-
ate income area, and they have a problem bringing in the homes and businesses
because of that image. She thougfit it Was great that the citizens are
willing to work together uith the City in the development of this area.
Ms. Sharon Sandberg, 6436 Pieree St. N.E.. stated she was at the meeting
because she had been informed by someone who came to her door that every-
one's home on her block would be torn down. She fett more correct infonia-
tion shauld be sent to the people behind the Shorewaod Shopping Center, so
they are aware of what is gotng on. She stated she was in fevor of con-
struction, fricley needs more children and r.rore areas for the elderly.
She was not opposed to the proposed project, but she needed more information.
There is too much emotion in a lot of the statements beir:g made, and not
enough facts are coming out.
Mr. Jim Jorgenson� 5�30 Polk St. N.E., stated he got very disturbed when
he hears that a comnission feels they have the right to decide to take
beautiful homes in this area and tear them down so an individual can come
in and profit maybe a million dollars by developing the area. He felt the
decision the governing body (the HtA) has to make has to agree with the
people in the general area. If the HRA does not agree with the people,
then he felt those people should take some action, and he would be strongly
in favor df supporting whatever action those people took,
HOUSING & REDFVELOPMEP7T FlUTHORITY MEETIWG, DECEMBER 9, 1982 PAGE 12
The question was raised about the high water tabie in this area and
whether underground garages could even be built.
Mr. Commers stated it should be determined what the water table is in
this area. It is possible the project is not even feasible because of a
high water table,
Mr. Prieditis stated he felt the water level was academic. He felt the
two major objections were the height of the buildings and the possibility
of present homes being removed. Maybe a committee should 6e formed and
they could work �aith the people and the developer in making a decision
and seeing if any compromise is pessibTe.
Mr. Kaspszak stated that a 12-story structure would be in ttie neighbor-
hood of 1/5 of the size of the IDS towner, and they should think of it
in those terr:is,
Mr. Ray McAfee, 1360 Hillcrest Dr. N.E., stated it was high time the
City CounciT and comnission representatives gave a little thought to the
feelings of the residents. They haven't heard what kind of taxes the City
is going to gair., if they are even going to gain any. They need children
in the schools, and they are not going to draw families with children by
having $170,000 units.
Mr. Edward Rush, 6028 Centrat Ave, N.E., stated he felt De�nis Schneider,
their councilman, should have come around to the people ihvolved and
presented this proposal so they would have known what was going on a lot
earlier.
Mr. Commers stated this is the first meeting where this presentation has
been made regarding this particular proposal. The neighborhood is hearing
about it the same time as the HRA, and the presentation was not made prior
to this evening.
Mr. Schneider stated the material the residents received in the mail is
the only materiGl he has, and he had that material only about three days
before it was mailed to the residents. He agreed an error was mace in that
the people whose property was directly affected should have been talked
to personally, rather than receiving the material in the mail. He took
responsibility for that error, But, he could not have told them anything
that was different from what they had received in the mail.
Ms. Elaine Gray, 6Q62 Central Ave. N.E., stated her home was inc)uded
in the redevelopment area; however, in 1981 when the redevelopment area
was established, she was not notified that projects like this would come
up. Do the homeowners by Sandee's Restaurant know they are also included
in the redevelopment area ar,d that this could happen to them? She stated
she does not get the fridley Sun and, therefore, does not see the public
notices that are published in that paper. She felt that when personal
property is involved, homeowners should be no*_ified personally.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPI1ENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9, 1982 PA6E 13
Ms. Barb Reiland, 6068 Woody Lane, N.E „ asked if the HRA would keep in
touch with the neighborhood, possibly through one person, regarding all
procedures with this project.
Mr. Comners stated the HRA would be happy to advise a spokesperson(s)
from the neighborhood on anything that comes up on their agenda regarding
this project. He asked that saneone contact Mr. Boardman with the name(s)
of who to contact. He stated that when the HRA makes their decision, the
input from the residents will definitely be taken into consideration.
2. NORTH AREA DISTRICT:
a. Request for Assistance by G. W. Paschke
Mr. Comners stated this item would be continued at the January meeting.
3, FINAtdCIAL:
a. Check Register
MOTION BY MR. PRIEDIiIS� SECONDED BY MR. PRAIRZE� TO APPROVE i'XE CHECX
REGISTER AS PRESENTED.
UPON A VOICE VOATE, ALL VQTZNG AYE, CXAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED CMANIMOUSLY.
4. O7HER BUSINESS:
a. Letter dated Dec. 6, 1982, fror.� Kent Hil7, Economic Development
Assistant, regarding the Fridley Plaza Office Building
�4r. Boardman stated he had drafted a response to Mr. Hill's letter.
He had tried to respond based on what he felt were the HRA's concerns
and understanding of the project.
Ms. Svendsen questioned Item N3 in Mr. Hill's letter regarding orho would
be responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of the parking lot and
driveways owned by the HRA. Mr. Boardman, in his drafted letter, had
stated that "The HRA has in the past been responsible for the maintenance
and upkeep of property under its ownership and will con}inue in its
responsibility." She stated that in discussions witf� the City Council
and the HRA, it was her understanding from Mr. Qureshi that the City
would do the maintenance.
Mr. Boardman stated that in the con�ract documents, the owners of the
office building are paying the NRA "x" amount of doiiars within the lease.
Mr. Comners stated that was not proper. The HRA has never thought of
having to maintain the parking lot. That a,as never brought up or pointed
out. That is a financial burden to the HRA. The HRA is not in the business
HOUSING S REDE4ELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, DECEMBER 9. 1982 PAGE 14
of maintaining anything o� an ongoing basis. and they should never be
put in that position.
� Mr. Comners aiso expressed concern over Item d5 in Mr. Nill's letter
rega�•ding signage. In Mr. Boardman's drafted letter. he had responded
that "Signage also falts within the realm of the City code compliance.
However. the HRA is very interested in the overall signing development ef
the district. We have not covered signing in our contract documents with
the office building or the clinic a�d very much want to review any sign
application with the City. The HRA will consider a letter of understanding
with both prcjects requiring review by the HRA,"
Mr. Commers stated that somehow they had missed this point in the contracL
documents also, and signage is a very important point,
Ms. Svendsen stated Mr. Haggerty had been very specific verbally that
there would not be any signage on the outside of the buildir.g,
Mr. Prieditis stated he consi�ered signage an integral part of the
building design. The HRA has not seen the workin9 construction documents,
and maybe this is the time to see the documents exactly as presented.
Mr, Boardman stated he has discussed this with Mr. Haggerty, and Mr. Naggerty
has stated he is willing to go with whatever signage everyone approves.
Mr. Boardman stated he felt tbe HRA does have the control in the contract
documents, atthough it is not specifically stated that all sign plans will
be reviewed, ihe HRA still has plan review on all structures.
Mr. Corrmers stated the maintenance issue and the signage issue shauld
be discussed with Mr. Haggerty in January. He would also like Mr. Boardman
to find out what the City is willing to do as far as maintenance.
It was the concensus of the HRA to allow Mr. Boardman to respond to
Mr, Ni11's letter with paragraphs 7. 2, 4, and 6, but to delete paragraphs
3 and 5 until this has been discussed with the City.
b. Billing for Fixture Appraisals.
Mr. Boardman stated he had not put this on the check register. primarily
because he wanted to get a breakdown on these costs. The fixture a�praisals
have been done on Lennies' Laundromat, but have not yet been done on
Dr, Ryans Clinic or the Battery Discount. He asked the commissioners if
they wanted to authorize payment now for the trid cost of $3�700 or wait
for the next check register,
It was the concensus of the HRA members to authorize payment of E3,700
to The American Appraisal Company for fixture appraisals.
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING DECEMBER 9 1982 PAGE 15
c. Lease of Hardware Builting to Clothing Liquidators, Inc., for a
Retail/Liquidation Operation.
Mr, Boardman stated he had visited the operation in Cambridge as
requested by the HRA, He stated it was a clean and good operation,
Mr, Carson's financial statement was also adequate and substantial.
He stated he had also included an additional clause in the lease which
narrowed the lease down from an 18-month lease to a l2-month lease,
Mr. Carson was allowed to go in with an 18-month lease with the condition
that if the HRA gave a 150-day notice prior to the 12-month period, the
lease could terminate in 12 months.
Mr. Boardman stated this would be a weekend operation only.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MS. SVENDSEN� SECONDED BY MR. PRASRIE, TO ADJOURN THE MEETIIJG. UPON
A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE DSCEMBER 9� 2982�
$OUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTXORITY MEETING AA70URNED AT 10:50 P.M.
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CI7Y OF FRIDLEY
COhMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIOW/HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION
JOINT MEETING
JANUARY 6, 1983
CALL TO ORDER (Comnunity Development Cortmission):
Chairperson Oquist called the January 6, 1483. Community Development Commission
rt�eting to order at 7:39 p.m.
ROLL CAII:
Menbers Present:' LeRoy Oquist, Ken Vos, A1 Ga6e1, Connie Modig. Carol Fassett
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPROVRL OF DECEMBER 14 1982 COM�4UNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOi701J BY MR. GRBEL� SECONDED BY M5. FASSETT� TO APPROVE TNE DEC. 39� 19H2�
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMNISSZON MINUPES.
Ms. Fassett recommended that the following paragraphs be deleted from the
minutes: Page 3, paragraphs 3 and 6, under Item #3, "Discussion of 1983
Cor.mission Work Plan".
UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING RYE, CHAIRPERS077 OQUIST DECLARED THE MINUTES
APPROVED AS AHENDED. •
CALL TO ORDER (Human Resources Commission):
Chairperson Goadspeed called the January 6. 1983, Human Resources Commission
meeting to order at 7:50 p.m.
ROLL CALL: �
Menbers Present
Menbers Absent:
Others Present:
Brian Goodspeed, Peter Treuenfels, Jayne �aoble, Lynn Boergerhoff
Mary van Dan
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPROVAL OF DECEMBER 2 1982 HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSI�N MINUTES:
MOTION HY MR. TREUENFELS� SECONDED BY NR. BOERCERXOFF� TO APPROVE TXE DEC. 2� 1982�
HUMAIJ RESODRCES CONXISSION MINUTES AS WRYTTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL YOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON GOOASPEED DECLARED TlfE MOTION
CRRRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
C0r9�tUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION/HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION JOINT MEETING - PAGE 2
1. DISCUSSION OF CDBG fISCAI YEAR 1983 PROGRAM fUNDS - ESTIMATEO AT E179.647:
Mr. Boardman stated the Comnunity Development Comnission met on Dec. 14, and at
that meeting, they began discussin9 CDBG projecis. At that time, the Community
Development Cortrnission members felt it would be important for the Human Resources
Lomnission members to be included in those discussions as the Human Resources
Cormission is also involved in a lot of different activities in the cortmunity.
That is the reason for this combined meeting.
Mr. Boardman stated the City of fridley as a city in Anoka County is eligible for
block grants under the entitlement. Anoka County is ciassffied as an urban county
and automat�cal)y gets urGan block grant funds. This was established about three
years �go. At that point in time. Anoka County's population was estimated at over
200,DOO so each and every comnunity within the county had to sign an agreement
that they would belong to this group as a couniy for entitlenent funds, If any
city pulls out, the County will lose its total tounty entitlement.
Mr. 8oardman stated that when the 1980 census came out, Anoka County's population
dropped below 200,000, but it was felt that this was only a ter:�porary fallback,
so the County has been getting block grant funds for the last two years through
special legisiatian ir. Washington D.C.
Mr. Boardman sta:ed that at the time the City of Fridley got invclved in the block
9rant program, all cities signed up for a three-year period. It has benefitted all
the cities, because most of the cities woutd not have applied for block grant funds
on their own. Block grant funds that are available that are not entitlenent funds
are very difficuit to get. fridley has had two different block grants prior to
this tin�e--in 1977 and 1978, but was unsuccessful in getting gran*.s in 1979 and
19II0. So. this is a good program far the City of Fridley. As one of the larger
cormunities in the County. they get a substantiai sum. The first block grant in
19£3i was $280,0�0. it was E206,OOD in 1982, and this year it is e:,timated at
$179,647.
Mr. Boardman stated that every year they look at the eligibility requiremen�s (he
had included a copy`of these reGuirements in the Cortmission members' agenda packets}
to see what kinds of projects they can get involved in with these eligibility
requirements. One oi tMe main criteria is that the project must benefit low and
moderate incane persons--how is tfie project substantially providing assistance
to low and r:�oderate income perscns--usualty 50%, If it serves 50% or more, then
it is an acceptable project.
Mr. Boardman stated HUD has atways been. and stilt is, very apprehensive about
fundirtg human services, per se; for instance, administration a»d those types of
functions in human services. HUD likes to fund thase things that are concrete
where they can put the r.ioney into imhediate use.
Mr. Boardnan stated this year HUD is still looking at human service activities,
and they have set up some criteria based on those human service activities:
1, It must be a new service that has never been provided before.
2. It is a substantial increase over the service that has been provided in
the past.
NT
Mr. Boardman stated another activity that has been popular with HUD is economic
devetopment. They like economic development because it is goir5 to break down
into dollars and cents and jobs.
Mr. Boardman stated the third activity HUD looks at funding is emergency funding.
Mr. Boardman stated he had reviewed the eligibility requirements and did send them
to the various department heads for input. He had then gone through each of the
eligibility sections and laid out some potential projects he felt would be very
eligible for funding from HUD.
Mr. Boardman stated that from the CD66 funding in 1982, they fiad set aside 5111,000
for land acquisition for the elder'y housing project by Moore lake was was being
put together by St. Philtips Ghurch. St. Phillips had applied for 202 funding,
but the 202 funding was not approved by HUD. Tfie City Council is now working on
the reallocatian of that 5111,000. That money has to be reallocated by June 1983.
Mr. Boardman stated he would like to emphasize that when �he City suhmits its
recomr��ndations to Anoka County, that is really only the beginning of the application
process. The County does all the work in preparing the applications for IiUD. Since
Anoka County is the administering body for CDBu funds, they also take monies off
the top of the block grants. They have arour,d E120,OOD set aside for administratior.
costs, 8100,000 set aside for refiab county-wide that is allocated out so
each cort�nunity gets a portion. Another allocation is for econemic develapment
at the county level. That is for things like the methane gas proposal and some of
the county-wide issues.
Mr. Boardman stated that in the CDBG process. there is a Technical Advisory
Co�mittee (TAC), of which he is a member. It is canprised of one riember from
each comnunity. TAC actualiy sits down. sets the process. and lays out the
groundwork by which these funds will be allocated to the comnunities.
Mr. Boardman stated tfiat at tl� TAC meeting that day, they had discussed what
kind of pricrity human services should have and that maybe human services should
be looked at on a county-wide level instead of on a con�munity-by-community basis.
He felt there was a lot uf need with Moka County in human services. He stated
that in three weeks TAC will be discussing this issue again as to the possibility
of reallocating some of the CDBG monies off the top far human services cou�ty-wide.
Mr. Boardman stated he would review the list of potential
He did not think tfie commission members should priaritize
this time. but think about them, maybe add srn:e ideas of
prioritize them at another meeting. Ne stated there had
feb. t5 for recom�endations to the County Board, but that
fied and extended since the County has not yet gotten the
projects he had outtined.
any of the projects at
their own, and then
been a deadline of
deadline had been modi-
regulations from HUD.
Mr, Boardman stated one of the projects they are looking at under "acquisition"
is in the Riverview Heights section of the City. There are five homes in an area
of Riverview Heigfits classified as a"floodway". Based on fioodway criteria,
CO►4MUN17}' bEVEIOPMEI�T COMl�tISS10t1NUMAN RES�URLES CONMI55ION JOINT MEETING - PAGE 4
those homes. 1f damaged or destroyed� cannot De rebuiit or reconstructed.
8ecause of this situation, the City Councit has applied for LAWCON funds and has
gotten preliminary approval for ihose funds. if the state legistature does not
completely wipe out IAwCOH funds. It r+outd be a 50/50 match witfi city funds.
The tity Council at this time is tooking at tAe possibility of using CDBG funds
for tAis acquisition,
Mr. Boardman stated tAat also under the "acquisition" caiegory� St. Phitlips is
stilt looking at trying to get the c•lderty housing project under ��ay. The Housing
i Redevelopment Authority is very interested i� doing an elderly housing project
in the Hoore lake area. So. this is another possibility for LDBG funding.
Mr. Oquist stated elderiy housing was a good pTace to use CDBG funds, bui he aould
not Iike to see them designate money to go to a project that probably woutd not
be a reality in the coming yea�, and they could end up in the same situation next
year Nith maney left over fra• that project. tf there was a gond possiGility tbat
project would become a reality this year. Lhen it would be worthwhile to desig-
nate monies for that project.
(Ms. Modig and Ms. Noble left the meeting at 9:00 p.m.)
Mr, Boergerhoff stated he felt there was a need tor an improvement i� transporta-
tion services available to many people in the conmunity who are either too old to
drive and readily use the transportation services that are available or who have
a physical disability that prevents them fron using the available transportation
services. He felt that was an area where the City of Fridley was not providing
a service that is really needed by many of its residents. From the eligibte
activities information� it looked like CDBG money could be used for a transporta-
tion study, He thought there would De support and interest for that among people
i n the communi ty.
Mr. 8oardman sta:ed he had talke0 to Ms. tayan at the LA➢ Agency about this,
Anoka County has an Alternat've Transit Board right now �hat is already set up.
Maybe they could make a reconrrendation to TAC to try to do that on a county-wide
level. He fett alt of Anoka tounty had atternative transit problems. He stated
there are a lot of transportation services avaitebte. A study done at the city
level by Clare Hughes outifned those transportaiion services. but oos! of those
services were eut of the reach of tow and moderate i�come persons. Ne stated he
tho�ght there xns a need for this type of servSte, and Mr, Boergerhoff f�ad made
a good polni, He did not know if tbey �ould be getting what they need by funding
a transportatio� study just for the City of Fridley. Actualty, they should be look-
ing at alternative transit tor at tesst the highly populateQ areas of Anoka County;
for example, Fridley, Coon Rapids. Blaine. and Columbia Heights. Maybe a recomrtien-
dation would be for FriGley to xork with Coon Rapids� 6laine. and Columbia Heights
to see if funds coutd be atlocate0 for an alternative transit study.
Mr. Boardma� stated he wauld tike the Commission mer.bers to revfew this iist again
on their own to see if there were any things they would like to add or subtract,
and then they can discuss them again and prioritize those projects.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPt4ENT COMPIISSIONJHUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION JOIflT MEETIPiG - PAGE 5
Mr. Oquist stated he would like to see the two cortmissions meet together again
and come up with a prioritized list.
Mr. Boardman suggested they set up a special joint meeting toward the end of
January.
The comnission members set a special meeting for Thursday. Jan, 27, at 7••OQ p,m.
to discuss Lhe CDBG fiscal year 1983 program funds.
ADJOURNMENT:
NbTTON HY NR. GABEL� SECONDED SY DR. VQS, TO AA70UR1: Tt1E MEETING. t�POV A VOICE
VQTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON OQUZST DECLARED TXE JAN. 6, 1983, COMMUNITY
DEVELOPNENT COMMISSSON MEETZNG AA7GURNEJ AT 9:30 P.M.
MOTION BY MR. TREUENFELS, SECONDED BY MR. BOERGERHOFF, T� AJJOURN THE MEETZNG.
PPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNAZRPERSON GOOESPEED DECLARED THE JAN. 6� I982�
H(fMAN RESOURCES COMMZSSION MEETING AAT6URNED AS 9:40 P.M.
Res ectfully subm'tted,
z-r
yn aa
Recordiog Secretory
COfS�tUNITY DEVELOPMfiNT COMMISSIO��/NUMAN RESOURCES COt�1TS5I0N JOINT MEETING - PAGE 2
1. DISCU55ION Of CD6G fISCAL YEAR 1483 PROGRAM EUNDS - ESTIMATED AT 5179,647:
Mr, Boardman stated the Cortmunity Development Comnission met on Dec. 14. and at
that meeting, they began discussing C066 projects. At that time, the Community
Oevelopment Commission members felt it would be important for the Human Resources
Comnission members to be included in those discussions as the Human Resources
Cormission is also involved in a lot of different activities in the comnunity.
That is the reason for this combined meeting.
Mr. Boardmar stated the City of Fridley as a city in Anoka County is eligible for
block grants under the entitlement. Anoka County is classified as an urban county
and automat,ically gets urban block grant funds, This was established about three
years cga At that point in time. Anoka County's population was estimated at over
200,000 so each and every community within the counLy had to sign an agreement
that tfiey wo�ld belong to this group as a county for entitlenent funds. If any
city pulls out, the County will lose its total county entitlement.
Mr. Boardman stated that when the 1980 census came out. Anoka Cou�ty's population
dropped below 200,000, but it was felt that this was only a tec�porary fallback,
so the County has been getting block grant funds for the last two years through
speeial ]egislatian ir, Washington D.C.
Mr. Boardman stated that at the time the City of fridley got invclved in the block
grant program. alt cities signed up for a three-year period. It has benefitted ail
the cities, because most of the cities would not have applied for block grant funds
on their own. Block grant funds that are available that are not er,titlement funds
are very difficult to get. fridley has fiad two different block grants prior to
this tin�--in 1977 and 1978. but was unsuccessful in getting gran*_s in 1979 and
1980. So, this is a good program for the City of Frid)ey. As one of the larger
cor,munities i� the County, they 9et a substantial sum. The first block grant in
198i was �280,000� it was $206,000 in 1982, and this year it is estimated at
5179,647.
Mr, Boardman stated that every year they look at the eligibility requirements (he
had included a copy of these reGuirements in the Cormiission menbers' agenda packets)
to see what kinds of projects they can get involved in with these eligibility
requirements. One of the main criteria is that the project must benefit low and
moderate incane persons--how is the project substantially providing assistance
to low and cioderate income perscns--usually 50%. If it serves 50X or more, then
it is an acceptable project.
Mr. Boardman stated HUD has always been, and sti11 is, very apprehensive about
funding human services, per se; for instance, adninistration and those types of
functians in human services. HtlD likes to fund those things that are concrete
where they can put the raney into imnediate use.
Mr. Boardnan stated this year HUD is still looking at human servite activities,
and they have set up some criteria based on those human service activities:
1. It must be a new servite that has never been provided before.
2. It is a substantial increase over the service that has been provided in
the past.
CITY DF FRIDLEY
SPECIAL
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING
JANUARY 10, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Vice-ChaTrperson Schreiner called the January 10, 1983, Parks & Recreation
Comnission meeting to order at 7:40 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mary Schreiner, Jan Seeger, Dick Youn , Dan Allen,
Dave Kondrick (excused due to illness�
MeMbers Absent: None
Others Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director
Jack Kirk, Recreation Supervisor
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 15 1982 PARKS & RECREATIOP! COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. SEEGER� SECONDED BY MR. YOUNC� TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 15� 1982,
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION PfINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE V01'E� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAZRPERSON SCHREINER DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRiED UNANZMOUSLY.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
The followi�g items were added to the agenda:
City Band & Northeast Chamber Ensemble funding - Item a under "Old Business"
Progress Report on Cormnunity Park - Item b under "Old Business"
MOTION BY MR. YOUNG� SECONDED BY MS. SEEGER, TO RPPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTSNG RYE� VICE-CHRZRPERSON SCXREINER DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. N[W BUSINESS:
a. Ice Area Locations - Estabtish Criteria
Dr. Boudreau stated that not too long ago, the Comnission members had
received a petition from the Jay Park residents requesting a general ice
SPECIAL
PARKS & RECREATION COMHISSION �EETING, JAP�UARY 10, 1983 PAGE 2
skating rink at Jay Park. He stated this request has been approved by
City Council. However, there was some concern expressed by the City
Council about what the Park & Recreation Cammission's criteria is for
locating ice skating areas in the City of Fridley, The City Council
would like to see some criteria for justifying ice areas.
Dr. Boudreau stated he thought this would go hand-in-hand with the
Cormission's work on the policy manual, and may6e the Commission should
address this concern and put together some criteria fior locating ice
areas in the City of Fridley. He would like the Commission members to
give this some thought before their regular meeting on Jan. 24.
2. OLD BUSINESS:
a. City Band and Northeast Chamber Ensemble Funding
Ms. Seeger stated she has received quite a few telephone calls regarding
the Commission's decision to cut the funding to the band and the Northeast
Chamber. One of the questions she has been asked is why the City is
cutting the cu7tural activities and not making the cuts evenly for games
and recreation.
Mr. Young stated that the game-type activities, to a great extent, are
self-supporting. The participants pay a fairly high participation fee
based on the activity. In comparison, the City Band and the Northeast
Chamber members paid little or nothinq towards the operation of their
cultural endeavors, and that was one of the considerations the Commission
took into account in making their recommendation, The Commission members
felt the ba�d and chamber members should bear a bigger share of the cost.
Ms. Schreiner stated she felt they had com�ared the cultural groups to
those people who participate in a sumner, winter city program, or a
community education program. Those people have to pay "x" amount of
dollars to participate in that program or activity.
Ms. Seeger asked wasn't the band contributing to the City by playing
for the 49'ers Days and other events in the City?
Mr. Allen stated it is really how much the contribution is costing the
City. The band may contribute in that capacity, but he felt it was a
discouraging thing for other parts of the recreation program when people
have to pay for the programming and these two organizations do not.
Mr. Young stated another consideration was the fact that approximately
half of the members of those organizations do not ]ive in Fridley and,
therefore, are not paying taxes in Fridley.
Dr. Boudreau stated the City will continue to assist the City Band by
hauling chairs and instruments and by heiping them set up before a concert
and take things down after the concert.
SPFCIAL
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 10, 1983 PAGE 3
b. Progress Report on Community Park
Dr, Boudreau stated the Citv went out for hids about two weeks ago for
the lighting of the comnunity park athletic fields. All the bids came
back to� high, so the Parks & Recreation Department has put through a
recommendation to the City Council that the City Council reject all the
bids and allow Staff to work with their consultant in reletting the bids
with some different criteria and specifications in tfie hope of bringing
the price down.
Dr, Boudreau stated Mr. Jerry Paschke has volunteered the labor to lay
the block for a concession/storage/restrooms building. Dr. Boudreau
stated the City can save $10,000 if they can get the block up, the roof
on, and the electrical panels inside the building as opposed to a weather-
proofed separate box that would house the electrical outside the building
site on a pad.
Dr. Boudreau stated Don Pertinen, Professional Planning & Design, Inc.,
has drawn up a rough plan and put together a model of the building.
Dr. Boudreau stated he is hoping to have the lighting in by June 1 and
something done on the building by �une 1.
Dr. 8audreau stated Staff is 7ooking for donations for the building in
terms of manpower for piumbing, electrical, etc. If the Cocimission
members know of anyone who would be willing to contribute in this way,
he would like those people to contact him.
c. Continued: Policy Manual Discussion
Mr. Kirk stated that, as they had done at the last meeting, they would
review a section of the p�licy manual page-by-page, making changes where
necessary.
Mr. Kirk stated they would be reviewing the participants section of the
manual which had been drafted by Mr. Young. After the changes have been
made, this section would be rewritten and brought back to the Commission
at their next meeting. The Cortmission members had received the revised
copy of the administrative portion they had reviewed at the last meeting.
The remainder of the meeting was spent reviewing and making changes to
this portion of the policy manual.
AD�OURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. YOUNG, SECONDED BY MR. ALLEN, TO AATOURN THE MEETING, UPON A VOICE
VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON SCHRESNER DECLARED THE JAN. 10� 1983�
SPECIAL PARXS & RECREATION COMMISSZON MEETZNG AA70URNED AT 10:45 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
' ��'Y c. -r°C_
Lyn e SAba
Recording Secretary
Lity of Fridley
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING - TUESDAY JANUARY 18, 1983 tAGE 1
GILL 70 ORDER•
thairperson Gabe7 called the January 18, 1g83, Appeals Commission Meeting to
order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Patricia Gabel, Jean Gerou, Donald Betzold, Alex Barna
Members Absent: Jim Plemel
Others Present: Darrell Clark, City of fridley
Darrel W, 8acon. 1350 - 69th Avenue N.E.
V. Halgrim, 6860 Siverts Lane N.E.
Don Fitch, 1241 Mill Road
Ing Siverts, 6850 Siverts Lane N.E.
APPROVAL OF APPEALS COMMISSION MINU7E5 OF DECEMBER 14 1982;
MOTION by Mr. 8arna, seconded by Mr. Betzold, to approve the Appeals Comnission
minutes of December 14, 1982, as written. UPON A YOICE YOTE, ALL VOTING AYE,
CHAIRPERSON 6ABEL DECIARED THE M07ION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1.
MOTION by Mrs. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Barna, to open the public hearing. UPON
A YOICE YOTE. ALL YOTIN6 AYE, LHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIL HEARIN6
OPEN AT 7:31 P.A!.
Mr. Don Fitch was present for this matter.
Chairperson Gabel read the Staff Report:
ADMIAISTRATIYE S2AFP REPOR2
280 Kiaaiaaippi Street B.E.
�• P[THLIC PORPOSE SER9ED BZ RSQOIRE?�11T;
e
Sectlon 205.104, D, requires par{cing stalls to be not lesa tLan 200 �quare feet
ia area vltD a minimum �SdtE of 10 teet.
PuDlic purpoae serveC Dy thi� requlrement !a to provide adequate area Detween
large vehicles and tor adequate area tor ingre�a and egresa.
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SecLlon 205.103, bB, (1), requSres s side yard of 30 feet xhere a driveway !a to
De provided in the aide yard.
Public yurpose aerved Dy thls requSrement ia to malntain a higher degree of
traffic vieibility and to provide green areas for aesthetic conslderationa,
Section 205•tOA, 3(2), requires off-street parking to be no closer than 5 feet
to a lot liae.
PuDlie purpose served by this requir�ent is to reduce vlsual pollutlon in area�
ad�acent to lot lines and to aeparate parkSng with landscaped areaa,
Section 204.10A, 18, requSrea 6 inch high poured concrete curDing along entire
perimeter of parking aisles, truck atanding apaces and access driveway�.
Public purpose served Dy tDis requirement !a to protect buildings and green
areas from vehicle damage.
8. STITED HARDSAIY:
"4fe need the variancea to provide e drive-Lhru wlndov onto our bullQing."
C. ADMIHISTRAiIYE STAPF REPIEY;
Staff hae met xit6 the petitioner on several occasions to vork out a mutually
agreeable plan for constructing a drive-thru vindow onto the existing Dairy
Queen business and has tried to minlmize the needed variances for this
constructioa.
The northxest driveway entrance will De closed to vehicle trafi'ic, ao all
vehicles vill enter the property from the two eastern driveway�. Locating the
drive-thru windov oa Lhe west side of the Dui2ding wi12 eM ance trafi'ic llov to
and from thia aite and not delete any of the required parking etalla. A ten
foot landscaped area will De provided south of the north sldexalk and x111 run
the width of Lhe property. Teciporary concrete blockn or concrete curbing will be
used in lieu of the required 6 inch nign youred conerete curbing. The
petitioner is aware that this property 1s located in the Center City
Redevelopment District and the property may be purchased by the HRA Sn the
tuture. Hoxever, the petitioner feela a drive-thru xindow will increase the
businesa Dy about 30 percent and can �ustify any construction and Code
compliance costs by this expected increase in �ale� over t6e next two yeara.
TCe buslness also has to remain competitive vith similar operatlona.
Mr, Clark said the code calls for 10'X20' stall size and that 9' X 18' is the
generally accepted national standard whicfi the City has not adopted. He said
the sideyard from 30 ft. to 0 ft. is along the Westerly 6oundary where the drive-
thru window will be located, right on the lot line and it is that way now.
He said parking on the south line could be moved furtfier south to make better
access for the drive coming off the east side. Mr, Barna asked if the sta11 size
was going to cfiange and Mr. Clark said it will be shorter, Mr. Fitch said their
stall size right now is 9' X 18' and has 6een tfiat way for five years.
Ms. 6abe1 asked a6out where the curb rolls up and Mr. Fitch felt that would actually
help them as it is an automatic 6arrier. He said they will 6e parking there so
nobody can come from the parking lot to the area and the driveway in the front
wi11 be 6locked off.
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Ms. Gabel about the number of parking stalls in tBe 6ack and Mr. Clark said
there would six parking stalls. Ms. Gabel asked if the shed was going to stay
and Mr. Fitch said it would stay as it is a storage sfied. Ms. Ga6e1 felt the
driveway was a little narrow and Mr. Clark said it is adequate for one-way
traffic. Ms. Gabel noted tfiat some of tfie parking never seems to be utilized
while there is usually a traffic jam in tfie otBer parking area.
Ms. Gabel fett there should be some kind of barriers up and Mr. Fitcfi said they
will be planting shrubs and bushes across the full front of the lot and they
will be using landscaping tim6ers as borders with rock to maintain the shrubs
and bushes and 8" blocks as barriers.
Ms. Gabel said there is a lot of traffic in the summer and asked how long Mr.
Fitch thought a car would wait in the drive-thru. Mr. Fitcfi said they tfiought
this would help unclog the area by trying to get people to flow out the rear
driveway which would help that corner and that all of the parking would move
to the back. He said tfiey figured that 50 percent of their business would go
throu9h the drive-thru. Ms. Gabel asked how wide the entrance driveway is and
Mr. Clark said it is 30 ft. wide. Mr. Fitch said someone could still pull into
the lot if there are cars in the drive-thru. Ms. Gabel asked about costs and
Mr. Fitch said they could get the whole thing done for about $ 4,000 and that
they are minimizing their costs in view of wfiat may happen in the area in the
next couple of years. Mr. Barna asked why they needed narrower stalls and Mr.
Fitch said they are narrower to maintain the number of stalls needed and the
existing stalls are 9 ft. He said they would lack one stall if they expanded to 10 ft.
and they will 6e putting in a handicapped stall by the driveway which will be an
�$ ft. stall. Ms. Gabel noted they will just meet the parking need if they are
granted the variance. Mr. Fitch said with 18 ft. there is still room for people
to drive through. Mr. fitch said they hope to have this done by the time they
open the first of March.
Mr. Betzold said it seems inevitabie that someo�e will bump into someone else.
Mr. Fitch said they have never had an accident in the 20 years they have been
there. Mr. Betzold asked about the lighting. Mr. Fitch said they have security
lighting over the 6ack door, Ms. Gabel said traffic has always 6een a problem
there and what a6out making an "entrance only" and an "exit only." Mr. Clark
suggested that tBey try this first and if it is a problem they could make it
strictly an entrance (north) and exit (south). Mr. Fitch said usually Qeople
cut across t6e top and go out the other side and they will not be able to do
that anymore and tBese changes will keep people going at a proper flow and
they plan to put up tBe "one way, do not enter" signs. He also said the lot
is more like 155 ft. long. He further stated that they are not going to put
up a speaker system, which runs about $3,500, as they don't know how the drive-
thru is going to work yet. If things go well and there is redevelopment in the
area then they will put up a speaker system. He felt this drive-thru would in-
crease 6usiness enough in the next two years to pay for tfie investment.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mrs. Gerou, to close the public hearing. UPON A
VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
AT 8:58 P.M.
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Mrs. Gerou feit the plans were weTl thought out with everything taken into
consideration. Mr. Betzold said the only thing that bothered him were the
narrow parking stalls. Mr. Barna said he had no problems with the changes and
that closing off the driveway on Mississippi Street would be an improvement.
Ms. Gabel said she could see their need to do this to compete with other busi-
nesses and there is a large demand for drive-thrus and this may also be a way
to facilitate traffic and free up the corner and tfiat the petitioner fully
understands that tfiere may be redevelopment in the future. Mr. Betzold fett
there should be a stipulation a6out the s{gns for the drive-thru.
MOTION by Mrs. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Appeals Commission recommend
to the City Council, through the Planning Commission, approval of the variance
request to reduce the parking setback from the required 5 feet to 0 feet;
reduce the sideyard set back from the required 30 feet to 14 feet, and reduce
the parking stall size from the required 10 feet by 20 feet to 9 feet by 18 feet,
located on the Easterly 15.1 feet of the North Na1f of vacated 64 - 1/2 Avenue N.E.,
and the Northerly 125 feet of Lot 3, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 5, the same
being 280 Mississippi Street N.E., Fridley, Minnesota, 55432 with the stipulation
that a"Do Not Enter" sign shall be placed upon the driveway�for the drive-thru.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
2. YARIANLE REQUEST
FRIDLEY
�_•���� LMnC ti.t.lr,equest by Mr. & Mrs. Ing— $��,— ei S�
ane N.E., Fridley, Mn 55432j.
MOTION by Mrs. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Barna, to open the public hearing. UPON A
YOICE YOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN
AT 8;03 P.M.
Chairperson Ga6e1 read tfie Staff Report:
ADHINISTRA2IVE SiAFF REPORT
6850 Siverta Lane N.B.
A. POBLIC PORPOSE SERVED BY REQQIREt�Iil;
Section 205.154, 3� restricts the height of a fence to 7 feet or less in the side
or rear yarda.
Public purpcse served by this requirement is to ailw adequate height for privacy
xhile restricting Lhe height for aesthetic considerations for providing open
areaa.
H. STITED BARDSHIP:
"Request to vary aide yard fence height, both on the south and north property
lines, from 7 feet to 10 feet in Doth cases. The neighDors (Halgrims d Smith)
immediately abutting the north and south sSdes, have agreed to the higher fence.
1'he length of boLh fences xouid be approximately 200 feet and xould start at the
most xesterly polnt on the north/sout� line and run due east in each case to be
flush with the east house line of Smith�s and Haigrim's."
Appeals Commission Meeting - January 18, 1983 Paae 5
C. ADHZiISTRATI9E STAPF RE9I811:
Because the fences are to be located in rear yarde, the two adjacent neighbora
are the most affected parties. The fences vill not De readily visible by othera.
The terrain is fairly flat to the north and falls downvard to the south and for
this reason xe que^Lion the necc:sity for a 70 foot pri�•acy fence.
The fence along the north line is partially complete. It is constructed of
vertical slab Wood nailed to a Wood frame.
If the Board approves this variance, we have no stlpulatlons to recommend.
Mr. Siverts (petitioner}, Mr. Bacon and Mr. Halgrim were present for this matter.
Ms. Gabel informed Mr. Siverts that in order to grant a variance there has to
be some sort of hardship involved and that she was not sure what the hardship
is in this matter. Mr. Barna said the hardship is stated on the drawing of the
area -"the north one to block Onan and Medtronic parking lights and sound" and
"the south one to block Smith's home from Siverts and vice versa." Mr.Halgrim
said that a6out four years ago the fence was started and it is only half-way
finished and it has fallen down several times and that it has been down alt summer.
He said he has no pro6lem with the height of the fence. Mr. Barna asked if he
was objecting or wanting it all done and finished. Mr. Halgrim said he wants it
all done; that he wants the appearance taken care of. Mr. Bacon said he did not
know wfiy the fence had to be that high. Ms. Gabel asked the height of the fence
that is completed and Mr. Siverts said it is 9.75 feet high and she asked him to
explain the hardship. Mr. Siverts said the fence posts are on his land and the
fence is inside the property line. Mr. Halgrim said he could not rtaw around it.
Mr. Siverts said the fence is not finished because of the availability of the
material. He thou9ht he had enough when he first ordered the material for the
fence and no more is available until this spring. He said a strong wirtd has
torn everything down, including trees. He said he has been there about 20 years
and Onan moved into the area and their lights light up the entire area and the
height of the fence would block those lights and htedtronits has tfieir lights
on 24 hours a day and you can see the entire 6uilding from his house and they
consider that pretty much of a hardship. Mr. Halgrim, who lives on 69th Avenue
N.E., said tfie lights from Medtronics do not bother fiim.
Ms. Gabel asked what condition the fence is in now, if it is stable and standing.
Mr. Siverts said it is extremely stable and they have double-posted everything.
At this time, Ms. Gabel read a letter from Burton Smith, 6840 Siverts Lane N.E.
MOTION 6y Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Betzold, to receive the letter and incor-
porate it into the minutes. UPON A YOICE YOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Both Ms. Gabel and Mr. Barna asked why he needed the additional fence and why it
had to be 10 feet high. Mr. Siverts said they are quite close to their neighbors
{Smiths) and they can see into every window on the north side of that house and
it is a three-story house. They can see into the 6athroom, kitchen, living room
and they have mutually agreed to extend the fence and will match the Smiths' fence.
Appeals Comnission Meeting - January 18, 1983 Page 6
Mr. Siverts said they are also planning an addition on the southwest corner of
their house (com6ination dining area and geenhouse witfi pick-up stations and
flatroof) whicfi would come quite close to tfie property line. Mr. Barna felt he
does not need a 10 foot fence. Mr. Siverts said tfiey need a fence to tfie top of
the window, pro6ably not fiigher than 6 feet 6ut they put in a request for 10
feet in case they had to go higher. Ms. Ga6e1 asked a6out the distance between
the structures and Mr. Clark said it is a6out 30 feet. Ms. Gabel felt they
could start a terri6le precedent 6y allowing 10 foot fences and that this re-
quest seems more like a desire than a fiardship 6ecause it �ould clearly apply
to everyone in tfie neigfiborhood.
Ms. Ga6ei said she is not sure that it is a
harmful tfiing 6ut it creates a pro6lem of precedence and that a more valid kind
of a hardsfiip would 6e if they were looking at a junk yard.
Mr. Betzold asked how long it would take to.finish the fences and Mr. Siverts
said he could get the material now and put up the fence as soon as the snow
get out of there. Ms. Gabel asked if the fence had been inspected and Mr. Clark
said he has been up to see it but did not go inside. He said there is three feet
of fence on top of the post, 10-12 feet apart. Mrs. Gerou asked how it will be
rep7aced if the fence 61ows down again. Mr. Siverts said it b]ew down in one
piece. Ms. Gabel asked about the costs and Mr. Siverts said he spent hundreds
of dollars on the fence and that it is also a security fence for them. He said
he has had two people actual7y wa7k through their bedroom window (6-foot sliding
door}; one person was lost and the other was drunk. Mrs. Gerou asked if the
fence would be illegal if it was 10 feet high and Ms. Gahel said yes. Mr. Siverts
said he talked to the City and felt there was no pro6lem if the neighbors were
in agreement and then he found out he needed a variance and that the fence was
over half-way finished. Ms. Gabel said the consensus of the Commission is that
Mr. Siverts does not have a hardship except that the fence is almost completed
and if the neigh6ors don't mind, one solution might be to finish the one side
but not grant the variance on the otfier side and tfiat it does concern her that
it might set a precedent and Mr. Smith indicates in his letter that Mr. Siverts
could work out something on a lower level. Mr. Betzold suggested tabling the
matter until t6e fence is inspected and the standards are met. Mr. Clark said
they certainiy could check it out and also said tfiat if the tights and noise are
bothersome they could 6uild a 7 foot fence andplant something tfiat will reach
greater heigfits and 61ock out noise and ligfits. Mr. Siverts said it was agreeable
to him to ta61e this matter and let tfie City Inspection Department check things out.
Mr. Barna suggested tfiat Mr. Siverts come in witfi some photographs taken from
his window and witfi sometfiing more specific to show a definite hardship.
MOTION by Mr. Betzold, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Appeals Commission table
this Agenda Item No. 2, to allow the City Inspection Department to inspect the
fence and area, until the next Appeals Commission Meeting on February 15, i983.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Mr. Betzold asked if notices would 6e sent out again and Mr. Clark said yes
and they sfiould pro6a61y send a notice to Mr. Smith.
AD30URNMENT:
MOTION by Mr. Sarna, seconded by Mrs. Gerou, to adjourn. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL
VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE APPEALS CON�tISSION MEETING OF
JANUARY 18, 1983, ADJOURNED AT 8:45 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Deb Niznik,
Recording Secretary
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING
JANUARY 24, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Kondrick called the January 24, 1983, Parks & Recreation Commission
meeting to order at 7:45 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Menbers Present: Dave Kondrick, Jan Seeger, Dick Young
Members Absent: Mary Schreiner, Dan Allen
Others Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director
Jack Y.irk, Recreation 5upervisor
David Bacon, 159 Logan Parkway
Bradley Larson, 618� Tri�ity Dr. N.E.
Scott Holum, 839 Northdale Blvd „ Coon Rapids
APPROVAL OF �ANUARY 10, 1983, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. SEEGER� SECONDED BY XR. YOUNC, TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 10, 1983,
PARXS & RECREATION COMMISSIDN MINUSES AS WRZSTEN.
UPON A VOZCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE,
CARRIBD UNANIMOUSLY.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
KONDRZCK DECLARED THE MOTION
MOTION BY MR. YOUNG� SECONDED BY MS. SEEGER TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE
FOLIAWING ADDZTION;
"WATER C09'TRMINATION POSSIBTLITIES IN STONEYBROOX CREEK"- ITEM (a) UNDER
"OTXER BUSZNESS"
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE,
CRRRIED UNRNIMOUSLY.
1. DIRECTOR'S REPORT:
KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION
a. Agreement with Fridley Community Education - Jack Kirk
Mr. Kirk stated the City had an agreemeat with the Community Education
Dept. that was set up in 1981 for a two-year period--the 1981-82 and
1982-83 school years. It amounted to the City making a monetary donation
to Community Education in the amount of $4,000 for 1981-82 and $5,000
for 1982-83, with the understanding that the current agreement the City
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION �EETING, JANUARY 24 1983 PAGE 2
was operating under at the time (an agreement between the City and
Comnunity Education for programming purposes) wouid be adhered to and
would continue to the end of the 1982-83 school year.
Mr. Kirk stated that also included in that agreement was the fact that
the City and the Community Education Dept. would meet in January 1983
to study the agreement, the financial contribution the City made, and see
if everything was working out for both organizations. He stated he felt
both groups have pretty much complied with the current agreement.
Ur. Boudreau stated he was not concerned with the wording or the working
of the agreement itself, but was concerned about the financial aspect of
it. Should or should not the City of Fridley give Commurtity Education
a donation for the use of its facilities?
Mr. Kondrick stated the City should probably give Communitv Education
something, but he also thought it would be a good idea to give Community
Education a percentage or an amount of money less than they have give�
in the past because of the decrease in facilities that the City has used
in the past.
Mr. Young stated that one side of the argument was that it was just like
changing money within the City, but they have to realize there are a lot
of people who 7ive in this community who did not help pay for those
buildings when they were built. Granted, those buildings have been paid
for, yet a lot of peop7e are using a facility that the taxpayers of Dist.
14 paid for and not the residents of this community. A donati6n of $5,000,
based on the population of approx. 30,000 people, was only 16¢ per resident
per year for the use of these facilities. He stated in one way, he was
against a donation to Community Education, and yet in another way, he was
also in favor of a donation.
- Ms. Seeger stated she would be very concerned that the residents of Fridley
not suffer because its governing bodies don't see eye to eye.
Dr. Boudreau stated he wanted to get some feeling from the Commission
members on this issue. He stated he would contact Tan Myhra and set up
a meeting to discuss this.
MOTION BY MR. YIX7NG� SECONDED BY MS. SEEGER, TO RECOMM£ND THRT TXE CITY
OF FRIDLEY ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH D75TRICT 14 COMMUNITY EDUCRTION
PROGRAM FOR THE 1983-89 AND 1984-85 SCHOOL YEARS AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED
53�500 PER YEAR� IN VIEW OF TXE PRESENT ECONOMIC CONDZTZONS OF THE CITY
AND TXE PARKS & RECREASION DEPARTMENT AND CONSIDERING THE REDUCED AVAZLA-
BILITY OF FACILITIES WITHIN THE DISTRZCT.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE, CNRZRPERSOIJ KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
FARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 24 1983 PAGE 3
2. NEW BUSINESS:
a. Request - 1983 Softball Tournament
Dr. Boudreau stated the members of the Fridley State Bank softball team
were requesting the use of Commons Park on June 3, 4, and 5, for a softball
tournament.
Dr. Boudreau stated it has been the policy and the recommendation of the
Parks & Recreation Comnission to the City Council that there are only
four tournaments of four non-profit gr�ups the City supports--the Firemen,
the Hockey Booster Club, the Jaycees, and fridley Covenant Church. In
the past two years, neither the Firemen nor the Jaycees have held a tourna-
ment so there have 6een two open weekends the City fias not filled.
Dr, Roudreau stated about 2-3 years ago, a team sponsored by Bob's Produce
came to the Commission requesting a tournament. The Parks & Recreation
Commission recommended to City Council not to allow the tournament and to
stay only with the four non-profit groups. 7he City Council overruled
the Comnission's reconunendation and allowed the tournament.
Dr. Boudreau stated it would be his recorrenendation that the Comn?ssion
take this matter under advisement. 5ince they are now working on a
policy manual, they should formulate a firm policy that will guide tourna-
ments in the City of fridley. He stated they will soon be getting reouest
after request to use the new cortmunity park complex after it is completed
this summer.
Mr. Bacon stated their team is sponsored by Fridley State Bank, He stated
their team will be playing in a tournament every weekend, and the idea of
this tournament is to help with their entry fees and travel expenses as
it is quite expensive to travel to other tournaments.
Dr. Boudreau stated he had the higfiest confidence that this team woudd
run a first-class tournament, but he was concerned with a policy of a
non-profit group running a tournament versus an individual team runnino
a tournament. He asked if it would make any difference if Fridley State
Bank actually sponsored the tournament rather than the team doing it.
The Commission members agreed this was a possible solution. Mr. Kondrick
stated he felt the Commission should stay with its recorrunendation to only
ailow non-profit groups to hold tournaments, especially when there is the
possibility of the bank sponsoring this tournament.
Dr. Boudreau stated he would work on this with the team and Mr. Beery of
Fridley State Bank to try to come up with a solution that would protect the
Cortmission from other teams requesting tournaments, at least until the
Commission has established a written policy. Since a decision has to be
made before the next meeting, he stated he would poll the Corrmission members
by telephone.
PpRKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 24 7983 PAGE 4
b. Recormendation - 1983 Diseased Tree Program
Dr. Boudreau stated it is again time to look at the Diseased Tree Program,
He stated ]ast year the program was somewhat reduced with the homeowners
paying for the removal of diseased trees on their property and the City
was not being reim6ursed fran the State for the tree removal program.
Dr. Boudreau stated that on June 30, 1982, the City received a letter
from the Dept. of Agriculture stating the Shade Tree Program has been
eliminated by the Minnesota Legislature. He stated � decision was needed
for the Parks & Recreation Department for the year 1983 as far as providing
a shade tree program according to the City's 7oca1 ordinance. By ordinance,
the City must provide a program, stating the homeowner will bear the cost
of removal of trees on the homeowner's property and the City will bear 50%
of the cost of removal of trees on the boulevard. On public lands, the
City removes the trees at City expense.
Dr. Boudreau stated that in reviewing the total program last year, monies
spent were $41,746. Out of that, they took in $]4,800 and certified for
payment on the taxes $16,100 for a total of $30,900. The program had a
direct cost to the City of close to $11,000. In view of the ecnnomic times
and since there is no reimbursement program from the State, he fe7t it
would be prudent for the City to eliminate or cutback its shade tree program
for 1983, yet try to encourage the citizenry to be aware there is still a
problem and to try to make it a voluntary program in the City of Fridley,
When people have prob7ems with their trees, they can call the Citv, and
the tree inspector will go out and advise them on possible actions, On public
]ands, the City should try to remove what they can in-house with their
own personnel.
Mr. Young stated that from what he has seen and read, no amount of money
is going to stop Dutch E7m disease,and this is pr�bably money that is just
being wasted. He would rather see the money spent in sane other areas
that better benefits the citizens of Frid7ey or even in reforestation
within the cortmunity.
MOTION BY MS. SEEGER, SECONDED BY MR, YOUNG, TO RECOMMEND TO CZTY COUNCZL
TNAT THE I983 DSSERSfiD�TREE�PROGRAM BE REPEALED� BUT TO CONTINUE TD PROVIDE
A TREE INSPECTOR�WHO WOULD BE ON-CRLL�FOR INSPECTZONS AND TO HRVE�A PUBLIC
RELIITIONS PROGRAM TO ENCOURAGE�VOLUNTARY PARTZCZPATIOlJ SN TXE REMOVAL OF
DZSEASED TREES AND THE REPLANTZNG OF�THOSE�TREES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAZRPERSON KONDRSCK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMWSZY.
c. Request - Fridley Park Aquatit Swim Ctub
Dr. Boudreau stated the Fridley Park Aquatic Swim Club is asking for
support from the City for its swim club in the form of advertising. He
stated he did not think the City wished to get into paid advertising
for programs as the City sends out its own programming brochures.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 24, 1983 PAGE 5
MOTZON BY MR. YOUNG� SECONDED BY MS. SEEGER� TO RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM
TNE FRIDLEY PARX AQUATIC SWIM CLUB DATED NOV. 23� I982� AND TO INFORM
THEM THAT TBE CSTY DOES NOT WISX TO GET INTO TXE ADVERTISING BUSINESS,
UPON A VOZCE V01'E� RLL VOTING AYE��CXAIRPERSON XONDRICK DECLARED TNE
MOTION CARRIED UNANZMOUSLY. �
3. OLD BUSINESS:
a. Policy Manual Discussion
Dr. Boudreau stated the Commission members had the final copies of the
sections they had reviewed at the previous two meetings. He stated both
sections looked very good and he and Mr, Kirk would have no problem with
including them into a policy manual for guidance and direction.
b. Criteria for Ice Area Locations
Dr, Boudreau stated that at the last meeting, he had asked the Comnission
members to give some thought to what they feel should be the criteria for
locating ice areas in the City of Fridley.
Mr. Young stated he would like to have a map showing the ice areas so they
can have a better idea where each ice area is located.
Dr. Boudreau stated he would send each of the Cortmission nembers a map
showing the ice areas in fridley. He would also send a copy listing some
of Staff's thoughts on this, and they could discuss it again at the next
meeting.
4. OTHER BUSINESS:
a. Water Contamination Possibilities in Stoneybrook Creek
Mr. Kondrick s�ated the subject of water contamination possibilities in
Stoneybrook Creek because of Park Coi�struction running a concrete crusher
was discussed in the Dec. 20, 1982, City Counci: minutes. Mayor Nee also
expressed a concern, so the City Council is aware there may be problems.
He felt the Parks & Recreation Commission should also be concerned and be
aware of this.
Ms. Seeger stated she thought that with the potential for Stoneybrook
back-up which is something that has been talked about earlier in otF�er
r�inutes, it is a direct question pertaining to the nature center and the
Parks & Recreation Corronission should definitely be involved in the concern.
Mr. Kondrick steted he would find out if any other commission in the city,
such as the Environmental Quality Cormission, should also be involved in
n.onitoring this possible problem.
PARKS & RECREATION COM���ISSION MEETING, JANUARY 24, 1983 PAGE 6
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. YOUNG, SECONDED BY MS. SEEGER, TO ADJOURN THE t�EETING. UPON .i
VDICE VOTE� ALL VOTID:G AYE, CHAIRPERSON XONDRICK DECLARED THE TAlJUA72Y 24, 1983�
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEESING AW�XIRNED AT 9:00 P.M.
Respectfully subn�ted,
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ynne Saba
Recording Secretary
m
CITY OF FRIDLEY �
ENERGY COMMISSION
MEETING
JANUARY 25, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Saba called the January 25, 1983, Energy Comnission meeting to order
at 7:32 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
MeMbers Present: Dean Saba, Bill Wharton, Bill Jordan
Mer�bers Absent: Todd Tessmer
Others Present: Bi17 Deblon, Associate Planner
Bi11 Bondow, 6616 Central Ave. N.E.
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 23, 1983 ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTIDN BY MR. WHRRTON, SECONDED BY MR. JORDAN, TO APPROVE THE NOV. 23� 1983,
ENERGY COMMZSSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE MOTION C1IRRIED
UNRNIMOUSLY.
1. CONTINUED: EDUCATIONAL PR06RAMS
Mr. Jordan stated that at the November meeting, he had agreed to check with some
area representatives to see what a carbon monoxide sens�r would cost. He siated
there is one firm in Vermont that makes them at a cost of $82/each.
Mr. Saba asked if the Fire Dept, would have a carbon monoxide sensor.
Mr. Deblon stated it was very possible and he would check with the Fire Dept.
anJ City Staff to try to locate one.
Mr, Oeblon stated "The Fargotten Fundamentals of the Energy Crisis" has been
running since the first of January on Channel 30. He stated he has gotten permission
to duplicate the updated version of"The Forgotten Fundamentals of the Energy Crisis",
and he would like to set up a time for the Comnission members to view this updated
version.
The Comnission members agreed to view the video tape on an individual basis as their
personal schedules permit,
Mr. Wharton stated they s6ould check into the possibility of having this video
tape available in the library for educational purposes.
ENERGY COh41ISSI0N MEETING, JANUARY 25, 1983 � PAGE 2
Mr. Saba stated the library is building up a very good"collection of video tapes.
He stated NSP has 16mn films and slide shows on energy available that the City
could video tape and put in the tibrary or show on cable TV.
Mr. Wharton stated that if the Comnission had enough material that could be shown,
maybe they shou]d sponsor a"Fridley energy hour" on Channel 30.
Mr. Jordan stated it might be more appropriate to run a program on Channel 12,
rather than Channel 30, as it is probably watched more. They could sponsor a
p rogram once a week.
Mr. Saba agreed that if they run a program, they shoutd try to schedule it at
prime time on Channel 12.
Mr. Deblon stated he would talk to the City's media specialist and see what would
be involved in sponsoring an evening program.
Mr. Wharton stated there were siide shows put together by various AVTI's through
grants from the Minnesota Energy Agency and the Minnesota Dept, of Education
several years ago. The Rochester AVTI and Redwing AVTI were involved. These
educational programs were developed primarily for adult education. He stated this
was another source of programming.
Mr. �ordan stated he would check with both the Rochester AVTI and Redwing AV7I
before the next meeting.
2. CONTINUED: ENERGY ACCOUNTING (BUILDIN6 REPORTS FOR 1980-81 CIVIC CEN7FR/
Mr. Deblon stated that in their agenda packets, the Commission members had received
the first print-outs by the Apple computer and the Minnesota Energy Agertcy auditing
program for 1980-81 Civic Center and Fire Hall electrical consumption.
3. ENERGY RELATED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK 6RANT PROGRAM:
Mr. DebTon stated the Commissiort members had received some information from
Mark Schoenbaum, DEPD, Energy Division, St. Paul, which was encouraging energy-
related community development projects. In �lking to Mr. Schoenbaum, Mr. Deblon
stated the projects that would be eligible must follow the three guidelines set
up by HUD: remove blight, benefit low and moderate income persons, and emergency
funding.
Mr. Deblon stated that Fridley as a city in Anoka County is eligible for block
�rants under the entitlement. Anoka County is classified as an urban county
population over 200,000) and automatically gets urban block grant funds. This
year Fridiey anticipates receiving $172,647.
Mr. Deblon stated that on Thursday, Jan. 27, the Cortmunity Development Commission
and the Human Resources Commission will meet to recommend projects to the City
Council for the 1983 CDBG funds. Since the ultimate deadline is the end of Feb.
to go to the County, it was too late for the Energy Comnission to get anything
going for this year; havever, now would be the time to start thinking of projects
for 1984.
ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 25, 1983 ` PAGE 3
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY�MR. WXARTON� SECONDED BY MR, JORDAN, TO ADJWRN THE MEETING. UPON A
VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTiNG AYE� CH.p1IRPERSON SABA DECLRRED THE JANUARY 25� 19B3,
ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING AA70URNED AT B:30 P.M.
�Res ectfully submytted,
,fy X_ 1 � ;-�,�
ynne a a
Recording Secretary
CITY OF fRIDLEY
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION/COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COhiMISSION
SPECIAL MEETING
JANUARY 27, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairpersons Oquist and Goodspeed called the joint Community Development Coirnnission/
Hunan Resources Comnission special meeting to order at 7:18 p.m.
ROLL CALL•
Menbers Present: LeRoy Oquist, Ken Vos, A1 Gabel, Carol Fassett
Brian Goodspeed, Peter Treuenfels, Mary van Dan, Lynn Boergerhoff
Menbers Absent: Jayne Nable
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Kent Hitl, Economic Development Assistant
APPROVAL OF JANUARY 6, 1983, JOINT MEETIN6 MINUTES:
MOTZON BY MR. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. BOERGERNOFF, TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 6, 1983,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMZSSION/COMMUNZTY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIDN JOINT MEETING MINUTES.
AS WRZTTEN.
UPON A VOSCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSONS GODASPEED AND OQUIST DECLARED THE
NOTION CARRZED UNANIMOUSLY.
DISCUSSION Of CDBG fISCAL YEAR 1983 PROGRAM FUNDS: ESTIMATED AT $179,647
Mr. Boardman stated he had given the Commission members a list of suggested
projects #or CDBG funding.
Mr. Boardman stated there is still $111,322 ieft from the 1982 CDBG funds which
needs to be reallocated, He r�as re�omnea�e�g Project �I3 - Acquisition/relocation,
Center City Project, and PrajecY #Z - Rehabilitation - Handicap, Retrofit
Weatherization. He stated the CAP Agency has a demand of about $50-60,000 in
rehab, a couple of single family homes that could be retrofitted for handicapped,
and a couple of weatherizations. CAP is requesting between $50,000 and $100,000.
He stated they also have a request from The Alexandra House in the amount of
$10,000, so that is another alternative for t982 funds.
Mr. Boardman stated that at the last joint commission meeting, he had d9scussed
the possibility of 5% going to the County for county-wide pro,jects ane# �% go7ng
to the cities to distribute for city-wide projects for ��man s�y�vices. At the
TAC meeting, they were going to try to get a pool of nraney at-the county level to
service county-wide service organizations. He stated tt+e County was against it
as the County does not want to get involved in human services. The item was
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NUMAN RESOURCES CQMMISSION/COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION JOIN7 MEE7ING - PAGE 2
JANUARY 27, 1983
tabled and probably will not be enacted for 1983 but will come up for consideration
again in 1984.
Mr-. Boardman stated that still leaves them with the question of what the City of
Fridley should do as far as human services. As a city, they are allowed to go as
high as 10% for human services, which means $17,631. That is a question for the
Human Resources Commission and Cortmunity Development Commission. If they do set
it up for public funding, they should set it up as has been done in the past with
an application process and a review process,
Mr. Boardman stated he had listed the following projects for the 1983 CDBG funds
with estimated costs (not prioritized):
Proj. ]- Traffic study Moore Lake (est. $7,000)
" 2- Drainage study North Area (est. $7,000)
" 3- Public facilities barrier removal (est. $15,000)
" 4- Human services/public funding requests (max.$17,631 - 10% of total)
" 5- Senior housing roll-over study (est. $7,000)
" 6- Low interest loans for barrier removal - prioritized roupings
�est. $40,000)
" 7- Low interest loans for rental rehab/leverage funds with
Metro HRA/MnHfA
" 8- Low interest loans for commercial
" 9 - Rehab - handicap retrofit
" 10 - Economic development study phase
rehab - redev. areas (est. $40,000)
III Center City market analysis
(est. $15,000)
Mr. Boardman stated he felt important issues were the traffic study for Moore Lake,
the drainage study in the North area, and the public facilities barrier removal.
Ms, van Dan asked what became of the Alternative Transit Study.
Mr. Boardman stated he had mentioned at the last meeting that alternative transit
was all right for a study, but he did not know what they would accomplish by
studying it at Fridley's level. He felt alternative transit was a county-wide
issue; and, if nothing else, an issue for Spring Lake Park, Coon Rapids, Blaine,
Columbia Heights, and Fridley, and should at least be studied at that level. That
is not possible for this year because of the lack of cooperation with the other
cities.
Mr. Boergerhoff stated he definitely felt this was an area the County has to be
looking at as it goes hand in hand with whatever economic development occurs. He
also agreed it needed to be a county-wide project, and it was unfortunate the
County is very much against getting into a county-wide program for human services.
Mr. Boardman stated if Mr. Boergerhoff wanted to contact those cortanunities to see
if they would support sane funds for an alternative transit study for the five-
city area, that might be the way to go.
,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION/COMMUNITY DEYELOPMENT COMMISSION JOINT MEE7ING - PAGE 3
JANUARY 27. 1983 •
Mr. Boergerhoff stated if he received the approval and support of the Comnunity
6evelopment Comnission and the Human Resources CortKnission, he would be willing to
approach the other comnunities with a proposal that they set aside a certain
percentage of money to match the other communities for the purpose of exploring
any improvements in the availability of accessible transportation services. He
did not mean the County should actually own or operate such a service, but provide
an environment where a compromise could be worked out with the private.service
providers in place now that would encourage them to expand their services to meet
the needs there are in the County for transportation. He thought this would have
to start with a study, and he did not feel it would be too expensive to do that
study. If this is not feasible for this year, they could possibly set the stage
far 1984.
Mr. Boardma� stated a para-transit study was done in this area by the State Trans-
portation Dept, in the late 1970's. It was determined there was a need and the
para-transit system was the solution, but the cost of that para-transit system
(95% from the State �aith a 5% match from the city) was such that the City was con-
cerned about the maintenance of that system after the State started drawing their
money out and it became the responsibility of the city. So, Fridley did not go
into the program.
Mr. Boardman stated he was suggesting that there is already a study, and maybe
the City does not need to spend any rtwney to repeat the study but should start
looking into what they should do to actively start getting transportation, Maybe
the money should be put into a fund of some type that draws an interest of some
kind and subsidizes local transportation services. It was something to think about.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that as long as Mr. Boergerhoff was willing and enthusiastic
about approaching the other communities, he should be given permission to contect
other communities and discuss alternative transit with them.
MOTZON BY MR. TREUENFELS� SECONDED BY MR, GABEL, 2'HAT TXE HUMAN RESDURCES
COMMISSIDN AND COMMUNITY DEVEIAPMENT COMMZSSZON JOINTLY APPROVE MR, BDERGEftHOFF'S
REQUE3T 20 CONTACT OTHER CITIES TD DISCUSS ALTERVATIVE TRANSIT,
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON GQ�DSPEED DECLARED TXE MOTION
CRRRIED UNANSlNOUSLY.
Mr. Boardman stated that at this meeting, he would like the comnissions to
recommend projects for CDSG funds for submission to the City Council through the
Planning Commission.
MOTION BY MR, GRBEL� SECONDED BY MS. VRN DAN� TO RECOMMEND TO CZTY COUNCIL,
THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT $20�000 DUT OF THE 2982 CDBG FUNDS ($I11�322)
BE ALLOCATED TO THE ALEXRNDRA HOUSE, -
UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION/COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION JOINT MEETING - PAGE 4
JAPlUARY 27 1983
MOTION BY MS. FASSETT, SfiCONDED BY MR. GABEL� 2t� RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL�
THRIXJGH PLANNING COMMISSION THRT OUT OF THE 1982 CDBG FUNDS ($1I1�322) 530,000
BE ALLOCATED TO PR0.J. 1.- ACQOISITION/REIACATION CENTER CITY PROJECT� AND
$71�322 BE RLLOCATED TO PROJ. 2- REHABILITATION - HANDICAP RETROFIT WERTHERIZATION.
UPON A VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED TNE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Dr, Vos stated he felt the public facilities barrier removal was very important
for the FY 1983 CDBG funds. He was very much in favor of low interest loans for
barrier removal and low interest loans for comnercial rehab. He liked the idea
of loans rather than grants.
Ms, van Dan stated she also liked the loan concept.
MOTION BY DR. VOS� SECONDED BY MR. GOOASPEED, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL�
THROUGH PLANNZNG COMMISSZON, THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS FOR 1983 CDBG FUNDS (NOT
PRIORITIZED):
- TRAFFZC STUDY MOORE LAKE
- DRAZNRGE STUDY NORTH AREA
- PUBLIC FACILITZES BARRIER REMOVAL
- NUMRN SERVICES/PUBLZC FUNDZNG REQUESTS
- SENIOR HOUSING ROLL-OVER STUDY
- IAW INTEREST LOANS FOR BARRZER REMOVAL - PRIORITIZED GROUPINGS
- IAW INTEREST LOANS FOR COMMERCIAL REXAB - REDEVELOPMENT AXEAS
- ECONOMIC DEVEZOPMENT STUDY PHASE IIZ CENTER CITY MARKET ANALYSIS
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON OQUZST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ADJOURNMEN7:
MOTIDN BY MS. VAN DAN� SECONDED BY MR, GABEL� TO ADJOURN THE MEETZNG. UPON A
VOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING RYE� CHAIRPERSON GOODSPEED DECLARED THE JANUARY 27� Z983�
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMZSSSON/COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION JOINT MEE22NG
ADJOUNRED AT 9:I5 P.M.
Res ectfully submi�ted,
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ynn Sa a
Recording Secretary
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSIOfJ MEETING, FEBRUARY 9, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairwoman Schnabel called the February 9, 1983, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:36 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr, Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Saba
Members Absent: Mr. Svanda, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Goodspeed
Others Present: Bill De61on, Associate Planner
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Dennis Schneider, Councilman
APPROVAL OF DECEMBER 22, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. SABA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO APPROVE THE DEC. 22� 1982� PLANNING
COMMISSION MINUTES WITH THE FOLLOWING CORRECTION:
PAGE 6� PARAGRAPH 3� Sth LINE: CHANCE "STORE" TO"STORY".
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING RYE� CHAIRWOHAN SCHNABEL DECLd1RED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. RECEIVE DECEMBER 9, 1982, HOUSIN6 & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� SO RECEIVE TNE DEC. 9� I982� HOUSING
& REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTSNG AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTSON
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. �
2. RECEIVE JANUARY 6. 1
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECEIVE THE JAN. 6� Z983,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMZSSION/HUMRN RESOURCES COMMIS5ION JOINT MEETING MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE V02'E� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRF70MAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 9 1983 PAGE 2
3. RECEIVE Ja�UARY 10. 1983, SPECIAL PARKS
MOTION BY MR. SRBA, SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO RECEIVE THE JAN. 10, Z983, SPECIAL
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING MINUTE5.
UPON R VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE JANUARY 18, 1983, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST� TO RECE2VE THE JAN. 18� I983� APPEALS
COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTIDN
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, �
5. RECEIVE JANUARY 24, 1983, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� 5ECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECEIVE THE JANUARY 24� 1983� PARKS &
RECREATZON COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DE'CLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnabel stated that on page 4, the Parks & Recreation Commission had made a
motion to recommend to City Council that the 1983 Diseased Tree Program be repealed,
but to continue to provide a tree inspector who would be on call for inspections
and to have a public relations program to encourage voluntary participation in the
removal of diseased trees and the replanting of those trees.
Mr. Deblon stated this item was on the Feb, 7 City Council a9enda 6ut was tabled
in order to get Planning Commission input.
Ms. Schnabel stated she has heard some criticism that the city tree inspector is
not well enough educated in this field. A lot of mistakes have been made and non-
diseased trees have been cut down. She felt they should be very careful that the
person in charge of this program has a lot of education and training in forestry.
Maybe there is someone who would be available on an as-needed basis who is fully
educated. 5he was not so sure that person should be from the Parks & Recreation
Department. She would like to see some money budgeted for hiring someone outside
city staff to do the inspecting when calls or complaints are registered at City Nall.
Mr. Saba stated he agreed with Dick Young's philosophy in that he would rather see
the money spent in some other areas such as reforestation. Mr. Saba stated that
would probably benefit the City more than in hiring someone to inspect the old trees.
New trees can be planted that are resistent to disease. He also felt the City really
needed more trees, especially along the parkways.
COMMISSION MEETING. FEBRUARV 9, 1983 PAGE 3
Mr. Oquist agreed. He stated that when leaves are dying and falling off a tree in
the summertime, the homeowner could almost do his own inspection and have the tree
taken down. It did not really seem necessary to have someone come out to just
reaffirm that the tree is dying.
MOTION BY MR. SRBA� SECONDED BY MR, OQUIST� TO CONCUR WITH THE PARKS & RECREATIQN
COMMISSION AND TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THE 2983 DISEASED TREE PROGRAM BE
REPEALED, BUT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A TREE INSPECTOR Wf10 WOULD BE ON CALL FOR
INSPECTIONS AND TO HAVE A PUBLIC RELATION5 PROGRAM TO ENCOURAGE VOLUNTARY PARTICI-
PATION IN THE REMOVAL OF DISEASED TREES AND SHE REPLANTING OF THOSE TREES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE JAf�UARY 25, 1983, ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR, SABA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE JAN. 25� 2983, ENERGY
COMMSSSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED SHE MOTZON CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY. -
7. RECEIVE P1IPJUTES OF A SPECIAL JOINT MEETING OF THE HUMAN RE50URCES COMMISSION/
1UNITY DEVE OP EN COMMISSION J: ; 8:
MOTION BY MR, OQUIST� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF A SPECIAL
JOINT MEETING OF THE HUMAN RESWRCES COMMI5SION/COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION
ON JRN. 27, Z983.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING RYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Oquist stated that at this meeting, the Human Resources Correnission and the
Community Development Corrsnission made three motions recommending projects to the
City Council for CDBG funds. They had recommended that $10,000 from the remaining
1982 CDBG funds ($111,322) be allocated to The Alexandra House, $30,000 be allo-
cated to Acquisition/Relocation Center City Project, and $71,322 be allocated to
Rehab-Handicap Retrofit Weatherization. They had also made a motion recorrhnending
eight projects for 1983 CDBG funds.
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO CONCUR WITX THE HUMAN RESOURCES
COMMISSION/COMMUNITY DEVELDPMENT COMMZSSION AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT
$10�000 OUT OF THE 5982 CDBG FUNDS BE ALIACATED TO THE ALEXANDRA HOUSE.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Gabel asked how they justify CDBG monies going into the Center City Project.
Mr. Deblon stated it was being used to remove blight and blighted conditions which
was one of the criteria HUD requires for CDBG funding.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 9, 1983 PAGE 4
Ms. Schnabel stated it was her understanding that the HRA was a total entity in
the City; it funds itself, and she felt if the HRA cannot afford to do its oo-�n
acquisition, then the HRA should not be doing it.
Mr. Saba stated he had the same question, and maybe some of these projects shouldn't
be done.
Mr. Oquist stated this conversation was really irrelevant as he had just found out
at this meeting that the City Council had already taken an action on the $30,000
at their last meeting.
Ms. Gabel stated that did not preclude the Planning Commission from making comments
on what they think about this. She stated she was very perturbed when these oppor-
tunities are presented to them after the fact. What is the Planning Commission
doing here anyway? It is ridiculous for the Planning Commission to get this informa-
tion and sit here wasting their time when this has already gone to the City Council
and the City Council has already approved it.
Ms. Schnabel stated that in reading the Jan. 27th Human Resources Commission/
Cor�imunity Development Commission minutes, she wondered what the criteria was for
CDBG funding. She wanted to know why that allocation was made to the Center City
Project, because she truthfully felt that was an HRA project and that the HRA
should be generating funds solely on their own and HUD monies should not be used
for that when they can be used for another project that has no funding at all.
She was even more upset after reading that the City Council had already acted on
this allocation at their Jan. 24th meeting. 4dhy did the Community Development
Commission and the Human Resources Commission go through the exercise of recommend-
ir�g when the City Council had already passed a resolution and acted upon it?
Ms. Gabel stated she thought saneone from the City Council should respond to the
Planning Commission on why this had taken place.
Ms. Schnabel stated this is not the first time this type of thing has happened.
It has happened, not only to the Planning Commission, but to other corimissions,
MOTION BY MR. SABA, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� THAT BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
MEMBERS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE REASONS BEHIND RLLOCATING $30�000 OF THE Z982 CDBG
FUNDS FOR PROJECT 2�ACQUISITION/RELOCATION IN THE CENTER CITY PROJECT� THE PLANNING
COMMISSION DOES NOT CONCUR WITH THIS RECOMMENDRTION MADE BY THE HUMAN RESOURCES
COMMISSION AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ON JAN. 27� 2983.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNRIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRZED
UNANSMOUSLY,
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO CONCUR WITH THE RSCOMMENDATION BY
THE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSIOlI/COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO RLLOCATE
$71�322 TO PROJECT 2� REHABILZTATION-HANDICAP RETROFIT WEATHERIZATION.
UPON A VOICE VOSE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCNNABEL DECLRRED SHE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, FEBRUARV 9, 1983 PAGE 5
Mr. Schneider and Mr. Boardman arrived at the meeting.
Mr. Oquist asked Mr. Boardman to state the criteria for CDBG funding.
Mr. Boardman stated there are three criteria: (1) must benefit low and moderate
income persons (50%); (2) removal of slum and blight; (3) emergency funding.
Ms. Schnabel stated the Planning Cortmission had made a motion stating they did
not concur with the use of CDBG monies for acquisition/relocation in the Center
City Project, She stated the Planning Comnission was unhappy when they discovered
at this meeting that the City Council had taken an action on the $30,000 before
the joint Human Resources Commission/Corrmunity Development Co�nission meeting on
Jan. 27, and those commissioners were not notified of that action.
Mr, Boardman stated the commissioners were notified of the City Council action
at that meeting. There was $111,322 left from CDBG funds. In a discussion with
the Corcanunity Development Commission in December, he had told the Corrmission that
money could be allocated by the City Council for a�other project. They had talked
about whether the Community Development Commission would have a chance to voice an
opinion on the 1982 monies. Mr, Boardman stated that at that time, he had said he
wasn't sure if the City Council would do that or not and that the City Council
could a1locate that money since it has to be allocated and spent by the end of
June.
Mr. Qoardman stated that at the Jan. 6, 1983, joint Human Resources Commission/
Cornmunity Development Commission meeting, he had brought up the point that there
was $30,000 that was going to be allocated by the City Council to the HRA, and
that was a discussion between the City Council and the HRA. The HRA had requested
assistance from the City Council for the Center City plaza area (modification to
the Firemen's parking lot and some items within the plaza such as signage),
Mr. Oquist stated the commissions did discuss the possibility of the $30,000 being
used in the Center City Project, but what Ms. Schnabel was saying was that at the
Jan. 27th meeting, this money had already been allocated by the City Council.
Mr. Boardman stated he had told the commissioners that the $30,000 had already
been allocated and that was why he put that in as an item to show the monies had
been allocated. He had told the commissioners there was $87,000 left (out of the
$111,000) and did the commissioners want to have a voice in that allocation. The
commissioners had responded that they did want a voice in that allocation.
Mr. Boardman stated the thing the commissions were really working on was the allo-
cation of 1983 monies. The allocation of 1983 CDBG monies has not been to the
City Council.
Ms. Schnabel stated the over-riding philosophical question that has triggered this
concern is that the Planning Commission does not know why the City Council is
spending CDBG monies on an HRA project. Why doesn't the HRA generate the money
within its own project?
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Mr. Boardman stated the HRA and the City made a compromise on the use of those
funds. The HRA had requested some assis±ance from the City, whether it came from
CDBG funds or directly from the City. It was not a question of whether the HRA
could handle the financial part of it themselves. When the HRA gets involved in
development, it gets invo7ved with either private or public developers. The HRA
is doing the plaza for the City of Fridley. That plaza is being developed on
City of Fridley property. Since the HRA is developing a plaza for the City of
Fridley in the interest of the City of Fridley, the HRA felt maybe there should
be some assistance from the City for some of the items within the project that
are directly related to the City of Fridley. The actual monies the City Council
gave to the HRA was for the Firemen's parking lot and for signage and other items
that relate directly to city activity that will be happening in the plaza.
Mr. Boardman stated the City could have used the CDBG monies for the development
of the plaza; but by putting HUD monies into the plaza, the cost would probably
have increased about $40-50,000 by following the Davis Bacon Act. Instead of
doing that, they had an agreement with the City Council that the money would go
toward the acquisition and relocation in which the� would not have to follow the
Davis Bacon Act. It would not increase the cost to the HRA; however, it would
still benefit the HRA, and the HRA would get that benefit in doing the Firemen's
parking lot and the items in the plaza directly related to city activity. They
can use CDBG monies because it fulfills the critEria of being used to remove slum
and blight.
Mr. Schneider stated it wasn't a question of whether the HRA was financially able
to do the project. Since the project was benefitting the City as well as the HRA,
the City Council had to decide if it was worth contributing $30,000 from the City.
Mr. Boardman stated that if the City Council had wanted to, they could take the
whole 1982 and 1983 CDBG monies and put them into the Center City Project, because
it is an eligible project.
Mr. Oquist stated that at the Jan. 27th meeting, he did not recall the comnission
members being aware that the $30,000 had already been allocated, If Mr. Boardman
had told them that, then he apologized for that lack of communication.
Mr. Saba stated the Planning Commission had disagreed with the Community Development
Commission/Human Resources Commission's motion on Jan. 27th because of the lack of
understanding about CDBG monies and the communication problem. He had expressed
the same concerns as the other Planning Commission members, and would not have made
that motion had he known what he knows now. He would recommend the Plannin
Commission concur with the Human Resources CommiSsion/Communit eve o ment
Commission s recoromendation t at t e 30;000 e uSe for t e acauisition re ocation
Ms. Schnabel stated that regarding the 1983 CDBG projects recommended by the two
commissions, she also agreed with the concept of low interest loans.
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MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MR, SABA� TD CONCUR WITH THE HUPYAN RESWRCE5
COMMISSION/COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION�S MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCSL
TH& FOLLOWIN� �ROJECTS FOR 1983 CDBG FUNDS (NOT PRSORITIZED):
- TRAFFIC STUDY MOORE LAKE
- DRRINAGE STUDY NOXTH AREA
- PUBLIC FACILITIES BARRIER REMOVAL
- HUMAN 3ERVICE5/PUBLIC FUNDING REQUESTS
- SENIOR HOUSING ROLL-OVER STUDY
- IAW INTEREST LOANS FOR BARRIER REMOVAL - PRIORSTIZED GROUPINGS
- LOW INTEREST LOANS FOR COMMERCTAL REHAB - REDEVELOPMENT 1SREAS
- ECONOMIC DEVEZOPMENT STUDY� PHASE III� CENTER CITY MARICET ANALYSIS
UPON R VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOM�1tV SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANSMOUSLY.
8. OTHER BUSINESS:
Ms. Schnabel stated that at the Dec. 22 Planning Commission meeting, the Planning
Commission members had felt perhaps something should be done with the way the
commissions are operating at this time. She stated she did call Mayor Nee and
talked to him about it, she had also discussed this with Mr. Qureshi, the City
Manager, and Mr. Flora, Public Works Director. The information she had received
was that there is a plan to restructure the Planning Commission and its operating
procedures. The thinking is to possibly combine the Energy Commission and the
Environmental Quality Commission. The people who are members of the comnissions
at the present time will be encouraged to stay and coniinue their terms. Mr. Qureshi
strongly emphasized that at no time would anyone be asked to step aside and tnat
the City wants input from all those who are interested in continuing. However, as
terms expire, the size of the commissions may be reduced.
Ms. Schnabel stated there has been no actual decision on what to do about the
Community Development Commission. They are thinking possibly some type of task
force could be established,but the chairperson would still remain on the Planning
Commission. There is the possibility of creating a non-profit corporation, and
the Community Development Commission could possibly become that group.
Ms. Schnabel stated she had talked to Mr. Flora about the Commuriity Development
Comnission's feeling that they are so global in scope and they felt somewhat
reluctant to get into other areas, because they did not want to enfringe upon
other commissions' areas. Mr, flora thought that was not such a bad feature.
He suggested that, for example, right now perhaps both the Community Development
Commission and the Environmental Quality Commission should be discussing hazardous
waste because of the proposal for such a facility in Fridley. The Community
Development Commission's perspective could be: What happens to the businesses
that might be considering locating in Fridley? If a hazardous waste facility is
located in Fridley, does that diminish Fridley's attractiveness to new business?
The other side would be the community's awareness in terms of receiving feelings
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 9, 1983 PAGE &
or information from the community at large. Right now, there is no vehicle to
receive that type of information. Maybe the Community Development Commission
could hold public hearings so the public becomes aware of what is being proposed
and get input from the public. These are all areas in which the Community
Development Comnission could still operate as a v3able commission.
Mr. Oquist stated the concern he had regarding the commission members meeting only
when there is a specific issue or project was that if there is a time lapse
between discussions, he did not see how they could keep the commission members
together and interested.
Mr. Boardman stated if they are going to have a reacting commission, it should be
set up as a project committee on a project-by-project basis. In other words, they
get people involved who are interested in a certain issue at the time the issues
comes up, With the commissions, they have tried to set up more of a pro-action
comnission, like the Environmental Quality Commission, Energy Commission, Human
Resources Commission, and Community Development Commission, where they are generating
ideas, following through on the ideas, and recommending to Planning Commission and
City Council. The Planning Co�nission is a reaction commission in the sense that
they react on specific issues. If it is the intent to set up a commission process
to react to projects and issues that come from the Planning Commission and the
City Council, then maybe they should look at the elimination of that commission
and set it up as a project committee to 7ook at specific items.
Mr. Schneider stated he and Mr. Hamernik share the concern that by combining the
Energy and Environmental Quality Commissions and eliminating the Community Develop-
ment Commission, that eliminated ten citizens from the Planning Commission process
and left only five members on the Planning Commission. Mr. Hamernik felt very
strongly that "comnunity development" was an important aspect of the City and
there should 6e input to the Planning Commission in that area. Mr. Schneider stated
that perhaps there should be some redirection of the commission. One idea he had
was to have some type of coordinating body for volunteer functions in the City.
The idea of a community development corporation was brought up. He stated there
seems to be a need for the City to be more in touch with the business peop1e and
neighboring communities to make them aware of what is happening in the City of
Fridley. He stated there were many ideas expressed at the City Council conference
meeting on Jan. 3l, but no decision was made, other than not doing away with
the Comnunity �evelopment Commission entirely but to change the role, either through
a task forcE or co�nittee or restructuring the commission.
Mr, Oquist stated that in his discussions with Mr. Hamernik, he agreed that maybe
they don't have to eliminate the commission, but it definitely has to be redefined.
He felt community development has been downplayed considerably just because it
is so global. He stated he felt the City Council is rea7ly going to have to
do some thinking about this and decide what they rea17y want to see this commission
daing.
Mr. Boardman stated he would caution them about setting up a commission and
then trying to find things for that commission to do. If they want to maintain
a commission, the whole idea behind the commission process in the first place was
to have a pro-active type of commission, rather than a reactive type of comnission.
That was the reason the work plan process was set up--to be an idea-generating
process by the commissioners. The City Council is not going to get the study or
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the information they need to make a decision on a specific project by sending it
to an established commission, because the people involved in that commission may
not be at all interested in that issue and are not going to give the City Council
the reaction needed.
Mr. Schneider stated he agreed with Mr. Oquist--that at least some general
direction will have to be given to the Community Development Commission.
Ms. Schnabel stated she was a little bit concerned about the combining of the
Energy Commission and Environmental Quality Commission. She would urge the City
Council to move very careful7y when they make that decision.
Mr. boardman stated he did not feel it would hurt, because there are environmental
issues that are also energy issues; He thought the canbination of the two
commissions into one commission would be a good marriage.
Mr. Saba stated the problem with combining the two commissions is the expertise.
The expertise in the environmental field such as well pollution, traffic pollution,
noise pollution, etc., are not similar issues, and there could be some problems in
working together. In energy, they want people who are knowledgeable and excited
about energy issues and who want to work in that area.
Mr, Schneider stated he, too, was a little uncomfortable with combining the two
commissions. 7he Energy Commission is a very pro-active commission, whereas the
Environmental Quality Comnission seems to 6e a staff-dominated commission. With
all the environmental issues that are happening right now, he would expect to be
getting calls from every one of the EQC members to find out what is going on, and
to be taking some actions, setting up meetings, etc.
Mr. Boardman stated Staff is trying to get out of the business of creating
business for commissions. Staff will help as much as possible to carry out the
ideas already generated by the commissions. The work has to be generated by the
commissions. If it isn't, then the comnission process has to be rethought, and
it has to be done right now. That is why the work plan process is so important,
because the ideas being generated by the commission members are things the
commission members are interested in doing.
Mr. Oquist stated he agreed with Mr. Saba that there are two different kinds of
expertise involved with energy and environmental issues. Those are two commissions
that really require their own expertise.
Mr, Saba stated there are times when it would be very advantageous for the two
commissions to meet jointly, but in terms of hazardous waste, noise pollution,
water pollution, and traffic pollution, those are not energy-related issues.
MOTION BY MR, OQUIST� SECONDED BY MR, SABA� THAT BECAUSE OF THE DISPARSTY BETWEEN
THE ENERGY COMMISSION AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION IN TERMS OF SUCH
ISSUES AS WATER POLLUTION, HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL, NOISE POLLUTION� AND SRAFFIC
POLLUTION� THE PLANNING COMMI5520N RECOMMENDS TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE ENERGY
COMMZSSION AND ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION NOT BE COMBINED,
UPON A VOICE VO:E, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED SHE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 9, 1983 PAGE 10
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MR. SABA� SECONDED BY MS, GABEL, TO ADJQURN THE MEETING. UPON A VOSCE
VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED SHE FEBRUARY 9� Z983� PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT II:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
`y�. � �
Recording Secretary