PL 05/04/1983 - 6814City of Fridley
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PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MEETIN6 WEDNESDAY, MAY 4, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 20, 1983
1: PUBLIC HEARIN6: REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #83-01 BY FRANK
M. LANGENFELD CONSTRUCTIOPI, INC.: Rezone Lot 3 and the
North Half of Lot 4, and Lots 6, 7 and 8, Block 1, Erco's
First Addition, from C-2 (general business areas), to
R-3 (general multiple family dweliings areas), all
located in the North Half of Section 13, T-30, R-24,
City of Fridley, the same being 6516 Central Avenue
N.E. and 6501 and 6517 Channe� Road N.E.
2. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR Q SPECIAL USE PERMIT,
SP # 83-02, BV MARIE C. KARN: per Section 205.052, 2,
A, of the Fridley City Code, to allow the construction
of a second accessory building, a 24 ft. by 20 ft.
stora9e building, located on Lot 5, Block 1, Walnut
Addition, the same being 1390 Onondaga Street N.E.
3.
MINUT
4. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMI55ION MINUTES:
APRIL 18, 1983
5. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 26,
1983
6. OTHER BUSINESS:
ADJOURNMENT:
7:30 P.M.
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PINK
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CITY OF fRIDLEY
PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 20, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairwanan Schnabel called the April 20, 1983, Planning Commission meeting
to order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Menbers Present: Ms. Schnabel, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Svanda, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Saha,
Mr. Goodspeed
Members Absent: Mr. Oquist
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Sandra Stone, 6396 Baker Ave. N.E.
APPROVAL OF MARCH 30� 1983, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY XR. SVANDA� SECONDED BY 1�D2. SABA� TO APPROVE THE MRRCH 30� 1983,
PLANIrING CQNNISSZON MINUTES AS WRITTEN,
UPOti A VDZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1, ITEM FROM APPEALS COh4�tISSION MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 15 1983
a. Variance for a fence for Ing Siverts, 6850 Siverts Lane (goes back
to City Council)
Ms. Schnabel stated that, as the Planning Ca�mission members were aware
fran reading the March 28th City Council minutes, the City Council
voted to send this item back to the Planning Comnission, and Mr. Siverts
was to be notified in advance. She stated it was not totally clear in
the City Council minutes why the City Council wanted this to cane back
to the Planning Commission.
Ms. Schnabel stated she has talked to Mr. Quresfii, the City Manager,
Mr. Boardman, and a number of other people regarding this, includinq
Mr. Siverts. She stated Mr. Siverts was unable to attend this meeting
and he had asked that the Planning Carnnission postpone any hearing on
this item unti7 the May 4th Planning Carmission meeting. She stated she
6ad told Mr. Siverts she would get back to him after this meeting.
Ms. Schnabel stated that after talking to a number of people, she felt
rvhat happened with this whole problem was that at sane point, someone
on City Staff pulled this particular item out of the Appeals Commission
minutes and put it on the Planning Comnission agenda as an item to be
discussed. At the time the item came to the Planning Commission on
PLANNI��G COhT11SSI0N MEETING APRIL 20 1983 PAGE 2
March 16, Ms. Gabel questioned why it was on the agenda. No one seemed
to have a very good handle on why it was on the agenda so the Planning
Cortmission acted on it. It was her opinion that the item should have
been deleted from the agenda at that point, because it is not the
Planning Corrmission's responsibility to hold public hearings on items
that have already had public hearings at a member comnission level, The
Planning Canmission's role is to merely review the member comnissions'
minutes with the idea that if any item wouid cane from a member commission
tfiat might affect another commissioh, the other commission vrould have the
opportunity to also review it before it went on to City Council. It was
her opinion that the Planning Commission acted in error. She thought the
Planning Camission shouid recognize that it was an error and merely
pass on the Appeals Carmission's minutes in total to the City Council.
P1s. Schnabel stated that in talking to the City Manager, he seemed to
feel this ��as probab]y the best way to handle the situation and that the
City CounCil also wasn't really clear on why the Planning Commission
acted on this item. She thought the Planning Comnission should just take
all the information the Appeals Comnission had gathered on this item,
pass it on to City Council and let the City Council act on it.
Ms. Gabel stated she was in total agreement with Ms. Schnahel's suggestion.
F1r. Boardman stated there was also some confusion on the part of the
City CounCil about what the Planning Commission's role was. He stated
he wrote Memo �83-18 on "Planning Ca�ission Role on Various Member
Commission Recanmendations to the City Council". This memo has aone to
the City Council as well as to the Planning Commission. This is his
understanding, based on the rules and regulations set up, of the process
that should be followed.
Mr, [loardman stated that because of the way the item was put on the
Planning Comnission agenda, he could see why it was confusing to the
Planning Comnission, but it should not have been handled the way it was.
He apologized for Staff for that error. He stated that sometimes Staff
does pull out motions made by member caomissions that might need action;
otherwise, those motions sanetimes get lost in the minutes. He could
not explain why this item was pulled out and not any other items.
�tr, [3oardman stated he did not feel the PTanning Cormiission has the
role to over-rule and recortmend differently on an action by a member
canmission unless that recanmendation is based on policy.
Ms. Schnabel stated she had told Mr. Siverts she would get back to him
after this meeting. She had told him that she felt the Planning Commission
should be doing more housekeeping policy-type decisions. rather tha�
hearing this specific case again. because it has been heard by the Appeals
Comnission and will be heard again by the City Council. Mr, Siverts
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 20 1983 PAGE 3
seemed comfortable with this item 9oing to the City C a ncil, so she did
not think there was any problem with the Planning Comnission doing that.
However, if the Planning Coimnission members did not feel comfortable
doin9 this and would prefer to have a public hearing, Mr. Siverts
would cane to the next meeting.
Ms. Gabel stated she thought the action recommended by Ms.Schnabel was
appropriate. The only reason she went along with acting on this item
at the March 16th meeting was because she was under the impression that
the City Council wanted the Planning Canmission to act on it.
Ms. Schnabel stated that once the City Courtcil reviews Mr. 6oardman's
memo, she was sure they would concur with this action.
NOTION 8Y MR. KONDRICX, SECONDED BY AII2. GOODSPEED, TO RESCZND THE
RECANMENDATZON MADE BY THE PLANNING COMM.ZSSION AT THEIR MARCH 16, 19B3,
NEETZNG (PAGE 7 OF THE NZNUTES) REGARDZNG TXE VARZANCE REQUEST BY
MR. 6 MRS. ING SIVERTS, AND TO RECENE TXE APPEAIS COMMZSSION MINUTES
OF FfiB. 25, 1983, IN T03'AL NITNWT ANY SPECIFIC RECOMLfENDATION ON APJY
TTEM .
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZIJG RYE� CHAIRWOMRN SCHNABEL DECLARED TNE
NOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2.
MOTIDN BY M3. GABEL, SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA, TO RECENE NEMO A83-18
FROM JERROLD BOARDMAN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTINC AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHIJABEL DECLARED THE MOTZON
CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY.
3. RECEIVE MARCH 31 1983 SPECIAL HOUSING 6 REDEVELOPME��T AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTIOA BY NR, KONDRICX, SECONDED BY MS. GRBEL� TO RECENE THE MAR. 31� 1983,
SPECIAL HOUSING 6 REDEVELOPNENT AUTHORZTY MINUTES.
Mr. Saba asked about the situation with the hardware building.
Mr. Boardman stated the HRA has already taken an unlawful detainer action
to move them out. The HRA has also started a suit for back rent. He
stated it is very difficult to get top-rated tenants with an 18 month
lease, and this is something the Housing & Redevelopment Authority is goin9
to have to discuss. He stated unless the HRA is willing to go with a 5-yr.
lease with options with the possibility of having to buy out the options if
development goes in, they will not get top-rated tenants.
Ms. Gabel asked about the arrangement with NSP regarding the underground
electrical line in 5th St.
PLANNING LOMFIISSION MEETING APRIL 20 1983 PAGE 4
Mr, Boardman stated NSP has written a letter waiving all fees on 5th St.;
however, they have made it clear there will be a charge �in the other areas.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAh SCHNABEL DECIARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANZMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE APRIL 7, 1983, HUMAt� RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTSON BY MR, COODSPEED� SECONDED BY MR. XONDRICY.� TO RECENE THE RPRZL 7� 2983�
Hi/MAN RESQURCES COMMISSION MZNUTES.
Mr. Goodspeed sYated that at the )ast P]anning Comnission meeting, Mr. Saba
had asked about the $4,000 of CDBG monies requested by the senior citizens
and what it would be used for. Mr. Goodspeed stated that money would be used
to hire a staff person for recreational needs at the senior's drop-in center.
Mr. Goodspeed stated another question asked at the last Planning Commission
meeting was the difference between public services versus human services.
He stated at the Human Resources Comnission meeting, Mr. Boardman explained
on page 3, paragraph 6, tfiat human services were more of tfie social service-
trpe related activities such as SACA--human service organizations that provide
services in the City of Fridley. Examples of public services are the YMCA,
FYSA--other organizations that do not specifically provide a health, we7fare-
type of service but deal with recreation or recreational activities. He
stated Staff has asked the Human Resources Commission to come up with some
kind of clarification on human services and what types of things human services
should include. Public services would then be those things not covered under
human services.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOSZON
CARRZED UNRNZMWSLY.
ADJOURNMENT:
XO;ZOIJ BY XR, SABli� SECONDED HY MS. GABEL� TO ADJWRN THS MEETING. UPON A VDICE
V�E, ALL VOTING AYE� CNRIRWOMRN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE APRZL 20� 1983, PIAlJD1IPJG
COAfMZSSION ME£TZNG AA70URNED AT 8:45 P.M.
Res ectfully su itted,
_ �',E�
y e Saba
Recording Secretary
Mailing List
ZOA H83-Ol Langenfeld Construction, Inc.
Frank M Langenfeld
John Mathern
Box 483
Hastings, Mn 55033
Construction, Inc
Mr. 8 Mrs. Allan Johnson
6448 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, htr� 55432
Helen Coffey
6449 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, hh 55432
Dellis Burmis
6459 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Henry Melcher
6500 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Ntr� 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Richard LeKang
6517 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, hfi 55432
tdr. & Mrs. Wayne Hitchkock
6532 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Alvin Berg
6533 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Vernon Brewers
6548 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Richard Talbot
6549 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Martin Imbertson
6564 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Therese M. Signorelli
6565 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
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Planning Commission 4/19/83
City Council
Mr. & Mrs. James Wedan
6581 Pierce 5treet N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Donald Landry
6597 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Helen Clair
6606 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. John Urista
6599 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Loren Palmer
6596 Channel Road N.E.
fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Charles Johnson
6580 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Ray Boone
6564 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. David Bona
6548 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Charles Peterson
6532 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Warren Spaeth
6516 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. John Fogerty
6500 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Channel Road General Partnership
c/o Stan Severson
10301 University Avenue N.E.
Blaine, Mn 55434
Mailing List Page 2
ZOA #83-01
Mr. & Mrs. Jce Randall
1210 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Leon Pellaton
1220 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, hh 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Zuehlke
1850 Mississip�i Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Zeuhlke
1260 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
William Weiss
1282 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, hb 55432
Ferdinand F. Holzheu,Jr. ETAL
1314 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
David Kramber
2013 29th Avenue N.W.
New Brighton, Mn 55112
Mr. & Mrs. Dick Marquardt
6588 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Moore
6580 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Henry Marshall
6572 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
E1r. & Mrs. Bruck Bondow
6616 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Curtis Barsness
6581 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
The Country House
6501 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. Richard 0'Schwalback
6501 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Herb Bacon
159 Logan Parkway N.E.
fridley> Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. William Zaier
3204 Getty6urg Avenue North
Minneapolis, Mn 55427
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CI17 COU�ICIt: . APPROYED DISAPPROVED MTf NO
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STIPIILATIONS:
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x Has the present applic�nt previously sought to rezane, plat, obtain a lot sp1i� or
variance or special use permit on Lhe subject site or part of it? _�yes 7j no.
What was requested and when?
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�'�The undersigned understands t#�at: (a) A list of atl residents and owners of proper-
x ty witkia 350 feet nust be attached to this application (rezoning), 300 feet, (plat-
tfn9), nust be attacT�d to'thfis bppliiatton. '(b) This application must be signed
by a11 owners of the property,'or an e�spianation given why this is not the case.
(c) Responslbi7it,Y for ar�y defe�t in the proceedings resulting from the failure to
. iist the names and addresss of-�11 residents and property owenrs of prop�rty in
gu�';tion„ belo�gs to the undersSgned.
� s�� of proQc�sed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the
!b1`la�fitRg: 1. Korth directian. Y. Location of tfie proposed structure on the 1ot.
�. Il3�r►sions of property, proposed structure, and fron and side setbacks. 4. Street
names. 3. 'L.ocation and use cf adja existing buildings (witfiin 350 feet).
ihe undersi�ned hereby deciares t t al] e facts a resp sentations stated in
tfiis application are true and corre
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PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THE
PLANNINr, COMMISSION
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the
Planning Cortmission of the City of fridley in the City Hall at 6431
University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, May 4> 1983
in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of:
Consideration of a request for a Speciat
Use Permit, SP #83-02, by Marie C. Karn,
per Section 205.052, 2, A, of the Fridley
City Code> to allow the construction of
a second accessory building, a 24 ft. by
20 ft. storage building> located on Lot 5,
Block 1, Walnut Addition, the same 6eing
1390 Ononda9a Street N.E.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opportunity
at the above stated time and place.
VIRGINIA SCHNABEL
CHAIRWOMAN
PLANNING COMMISSIDN
Publish: April 20, 1983
April 27, 1983
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SP #83-02, Marie Karn
2nd Accessory Building
1390 Onondaga Street Y.E.
Marie Karn
1360 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Jenny M Berg.
1335 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Harold Tieden
1365 Ononda9a Street N.E.
Fridley> Mn 55432
Mr. Rick Borchert
1366 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley> Mn 55432
Mr. John Labreche
1381 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Arlene Cole
1382 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. James Hub
1395 Onondaga Street
Fridley, Mn 55432
Planning Cor�nission 4/19/ 83
MAILING LIST
Mr. & Mrs. Kevin Olson
1370 Fireside Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Jeffrey Johnson
1398 Fireside Drive W.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Gary Shoberg
1420 Fireside Drive N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. Albert Pomper
7370 Hayes N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Melroy Krugerud
7354 Hayes N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Warren Lathham
7342 Hayes N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & t4rs. Elmer Hollatz
N.E. 7395 Hayes
fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. Douglas Becklin
1405 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Rayrtrond Buechele
1425 �nondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, htr� 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Leonard Hjort
1434 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Flanery
1465 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. Charles Bitzen
1360 Fireside Drive N.E.
Frildey> Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Carlson
7385 Hayes
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. James Hinrichs
7355 Hayes N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Al1en Bradford
7371 Hayes Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Virgil Dickenson
1360 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Willard Haro
3048 County Road H2
Minneapolis, Mn 55432
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variance or special use perait or+ �he subject site or part of it? ___yes no.
What was,requested and when? .
The u�dersigned understands that: {a) A)ist af a11 residents and owners of property
►rithin 300 feet aNist be attached to this application. (b) This application must be
si�ed by all owners oi the property. or an explanatian given Nhy this is not the
case. �c) Responsibi3ity for aqy defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure
to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in
question, belongs to the undersigned.
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' f0l3awirtg: i. North direction. 2. location of Qroposed structure on the lot.
3. 1Timensions of property, proposed structure, and front and si� setbacks.
�. Street names. 5. Locatia► and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300
fee"t�. .�,
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this applicatioo are true and correct. -
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION
MEETING
APRIL 12, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Oquist called the April 12, 1983, Community Development Comnission
meeting to order at 7:34 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Menbers Present: LeRoy Oquist, A1 Gabel, Carol Fassett, Louis Schmidt
Members Absent: Ken Vos
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Sandra Stone, 6396 Baker St. N.E.
APPROVAL OF MARCH 8, 1963, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. GRBEL, SECONDED BY MS. FASSETT, TO APPROVE THE MARCH 8, 1983�
COMM�tiZTY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSZON MINUTES A5 WRITTEN,
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRPERSON OQUZST DECLARED THE MOTIOPI
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
INTRODUCTION OF NEW COMMISSION MEAIBER: LOUIS SCHMIDT, 7300 East River Road
Mr. Oquist introduced Mr. Schmidt to the Carmission members and welcomed him
to the Comnission.
1. DISCUSSION ON 1983 WORKPLAN:
a. Review Neighborhood Goal
Mr. Boardman stated the Gity Council approved the Community Oevelopment
Commission's workplan at their March 28th meeting. He stated the indication
he had gotten from Kent Hill who attended the City Council meeting was that the
City Councl was suggesting to the Comnunity Development Commission the importanc�
of of the "Neighborhood Program" goal and that they may want to look at a high
priority.
Mr. Oquist stated that was tinteresting because the City Council had not given the
Comnission any direction when the Corrmission had asked for it.
Mr. Boardman stated the City Council is very interested in neighborhoods and would
like to promote some kind of neighborhood unity. He thou9ht what the City Council
was looking for from the Comnission was, first of all, how to approach the neigh-
borhood concept and what kind of things can be accorrplished with a nei9hborhood
program. He thought the City Council was not just looking at a neighborhaod concept
that could be accomplished by putting upsi9ns. The Council is looking for positive
direction and recommendation from the Comnission on alternatives for neighborhood
development along with recomrendations for accomplishing the program.
CO�iMUNITY DEVELOPMEN7 COMMI55ION MEETING, APRIL 12� 1983 PAGE 2
Mr, Boardman stated he thought the neighborhood concept was good if the neighbor-
hood was going to be used for a purpose by organizinq and actively pursuing
such things as recycling, crime prevention, energy programs, things a neighbor-
hood can get involved in. That would mean a lot of staff time, a lot of
cormission time, and a lot of commitment from individuals in the neighborhoods,
These are the things the Council is Tooking for.
Mr, Boardman stated xhe Comnission was going to have to look at the followina
questions: Do they want a commitment to neighborhoods? If they do, what is the
purpose of that commitment? He stated there has to be a reason for setting up
a neighborhood program.
Mr. Oquist stated he would like the City Council to tell the Commission what they
mean by a neighborhood concept and how far they want to go with this kind of a
project.
Mr, Gabel stated it was ridiculous to just put up signs. It was a waste of time
and a waste of money.
Ms. Fassett stated that in order to keep interest in the neighborhoods, there
is going to need to be some kind of comnon interest and some kind of leadership,
Mr, Oquist stated one suggestions would be to form a project committee and let
the members of the project cortmittee discuss the neighborhood concept.
Mr. Boardman stated there are some perceived neighborhbods already set up--for
the Bikeway/4lalkway Committee, neighborhood breakdowns for the Crime Prevention
Program, and neighborhood breakdowns from census data.
Mr. Boardman stated he was not sure if the City Council would agree to go all out
on a neighborhood concept if they knew the cost of maintaining a program. He
agreed it might be a good idea for the Commission to set up a project committee
and then set up some specific goals and objectives for that committee; for example,
if a neighborhood program is set up, whaY can the neighborhoods accomplish? What
is the cost of maintaining a neighborhood program? Ts a neighborhood program
even feasible?
Mr. Oquist stated there were a coupie of thinqs that concerned him: (i) 8ecause
of the size of the community, Fridley does not have that ethnic neighborhood
cocmunity feeling; and (2) The comnunity is somewhat transient; therefore, there
aren't the established kinds of neighborhoods where people feel they really belong
to something, He stated there needs to be a dynamic program to keep people
interested. There would need to be a full-time staff person at City Hall to
disseminate information, meet regularly with neighborhood representatives, and
just keep the interest going.
Mr. Oquist stated he rrould contact a couple of the Council peopte before the
next meeting to see what the City Council really wants and what they expect
from the Cortmission. He would bring this information back to the Comnission.
He felt the best approach was probably through a project committee. He stated he
would also like to contact a few other communities to see if a neighborhood pro-
gram like this has ever been attempted. If there is and the program is workinq,
what did the comnunity do to make it happen?
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEE7ING APRIL 12 1983 PAGE 3
Mr. Oquist asked the Commission members to think about the neighborhood concept
and about the possibility of establishing a project committee. The Commission
could discuss this again at another meeting.
Mr. Boardman stated he would give the Comnission the neighborhood breakdowns the
City has.
b. Discuss "Truth in Housing" Program
Mr, Oquist stated this was discussed at length last year. Bob Lines from the
City of Minneapolis Inspection Department came and spoke to the Commission at
their May 11, 1982, meeting. He stated maybe the Commission should discuss this
with someone who is against the program.
Mr. Boardman stated the Truth-in-Housing
tool. The intent of truth-in-housing is
so prospective buyers are aware of things
He felt the program was a positive thing.
Program is a"buyer-beware" type of
to get information to prospective buyers
that are potentially wrong with a hous.
Mr. Oquist stated it is a program that wouldn't cost the City of Fridley very
much because everything is already set up. The City of Minneapolis has brochures.
The City of Minneapolis trains and certifies inspectors, and the City of Fridley
could utilize the same inspectors.
Mr. Boardman stated he felt a lot of realtors object to the program because
they feel it is a waste of the homeowner's ti�e and really doesn't mean anythinq.
He stated he felt there are a lot of people out buying houses who do not know
much about 6uying and do not know what things to look for.
Ms. Fassett stated it sounded like a good program, but she would like to learn
more about it.
The Cartnission members agreed they would like to have a realtor who is opposed
to the Truth-in-Housing program come and speak to the Co�nission at the June
meeting. They also asked Staff to send them copies of the May 11, 1982, minutes
which contained the discussion with Bob Lines.
c. Discuss Liaison with Fridley Chamber of Comnerce
Mr. Boardman stated that he thouqht it would be very advantageous for a member
of the Community Developmeni Commission to attend Chamber of Commerce Board
meetings. He stated he and Kent Hill were the City liaisons to the Chamber of
Cormerce Board. Si�ce Mr. Hill has left the employ of the City, it would be
appropriate for a member of the Commission to replace him as liaison.
Mr. Oquist stated he thought they should discuss this with members of the
Chamber of Commerce.
The Commission members agreed to invite the President and Executive Secretary
of the Chamber of Commerce to the Comnission's'May meeting. Some of the things
that could be discussed are listed on the following page:
COP�UNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 12 1983 PAGE 4
1. A Tiaison between the Chamber of Co+�nerce and the
Community Development Cortmission
2. The concept of preparing a brochure laying out city
zoning requirements, licensing requirements, sign require-
ments, etc.
3. The possibility of the City and Chamber co-sponsoring
activities, educational seminars, etc., to the point
where the Chamber of Commerce might want to set up a sub-
canmittee which wauld include members of the Community
Development Commission (a canmunity development committee)
4. Establishing a rapport hetween the City of Fridley and
the Chamber of Cortmerce
5. The possibility of establishing a"sounding board" committee
to receive complaints from businesses in the City and to try
to work out solutions to problems between businesses and the
City
2. DISCUSS CORRESPONDENCE:
a. Correspondence from MHFA (Minnesota Housing Finance Agency) Regardinq
the Promotion of their First-Time Home Buyer Program
Mr. Boardman stated funds are now available from the MHFA to provide 6elow-
market interest rate conventional mortgages for ffrst-time home buyers. This
gives citizens of Fridley an opportunity to qualify for a mortgage. As an extra
benefit, a]eading institution participating in the MHFA program and Sears &
Roebuck have joined together to provide special prices on a variety of Kenmore
appliances which makes it possible for first-time buyers to furnish their
homes with energy-efficient appliances if their mortgages are approved prior
to June 30, 1983. The MHFA a7so has low interest home improvement loans
available for citizens who adready own homes. He stated the MHFA has produced
information kits to be used to get this information out to the canmunities.
Mr. Boardman stated notices of this pro9ram have been put in the newsletter
that goes out on different programs on the MHFA,
MOTION BY P92. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. SCHMIDT� TO RECEN£ THE CORRESPONDENCE
FROM THE MHFA,
UPON A VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CIfAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTIOLJ
CARRIED UNRNIMOUSLY.
COMMUNITY DEUELOPMENT COMMISSION P1EETING. APRIL 12. 1983 PAGE 5
b. Correspondence from OMNI (Opportunities Minnesota, Inc.)
Mr. Boardman stated he had sane correspondence stating that smaal business loans
would be available soon through OMNI, a non-profit development that was established
under the Governor about a year ago. OMNI has 503 loans available to help get
small businesses started.
Mr, Oquist stated that was something that could be discussed with the Chamber
of Commerce.
3, REUIEW HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION'S 1983 WORKPLAN:
Mr, Boardman stated the Human Resources Comnission and Comnunity Development
Commission are sharing workplans as there are some things that are of interest
to both commissions.
Mr, Oquist recortmended the Comnission members review the Human Resources
Cocanission's 1983 workplan.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTZON EY MR. GRBEL� SECONDED BY MR. SCHMIDT� TO ADJWRN TXE MEETING. UPON A VOICE
VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE APRZL I2� 1983� COMMUNZTY
DEVELOPMENS COMMISSION ME'ETING ADJOURNED AS 9:00 P.M.
Respectfully �ubmitted,
"Z�'�1, Y� l � .��`t�,
Lynn� Saba
Recording Secretary
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING
APRIL 18, 1983
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Kondrick called the April 18, 1983, Parks & Recreation Corrmission
meeting to order at 7:40 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Dave Kondrick, Mary Schreiner, Jan Seeger, Dan Al1en
Members Absent: Dick Young
Others Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director
Jack Kirk, Program Supervisor
Margie Crowley, 7850 Zane Ave. N., Brooklyn Park
Harvey Hoffman, 3915 Gotden Yalley Rd., 6olden Valley
Wayne Morse, 6701 Dutton Ave. N., Brooklyn Park
Mark Nathanson, 1522 N. Timber Ridge N.E., fridley
APPROVAL OF JANUARY 24, 1983. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. SEEGER, SECONDED BY MS. SCHREINER� TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 24, 1983,
PARKS & RECREATZON COMMISSZON MZNUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON R YOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
APPROYAL OF AGENDA:
The following items were added to the agenda:
Thank-you from fridley Hockey Association - Item e under "Director's Report"
Partial Payment of Knights of Columbus Pledge to Canmunity Park
Development - Item f under "Director's Report"
Softball Request - Parents without Partners (PWP) - Item f under "New Business"
Softball Tournament Request - FYSA - Item g under "PJew Business"
Location of Possible Hazardous Waste Site - Item h under "New Business"
NOTION BY MS. SCHREINER� SECONDED BY MR. RLLEN� TO APPROVE TNE AGENDA WITH
THE ABOVE ADDITIONS AND TO MOVE ITEM (d) -"SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT REQUEST -
AIINNEPRUL DERF ATXLETIC ASSOCIATION" TO ZTEM 1 ON THE AGENDR.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHRIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
PARKS & RECREATION COMTIISSION MEETING, APRIL 18, 1983 PAGE 2
1. SOFTBALL TOURNAF1ENT REQUEST - MINNEAPAUL DEAF ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION:
Dr. Boudreau stated the Minneapaul Deaf Athletic Association was requesting
a softbail tournament in Fridiey. He stated he had toTd them the proper
procedure was to appear before the Parks & Recreation Cortmission with their
request. Ms. Crowley was acting as interpreter.
Mr. Hoffman stated Mr. Mark Natnanson was the chairperson of the softball
club and the rest of them were at the meeting to support this request.
Mr. Plathanson stated they have tried to have the tournament in various
communities, but most canmunities require that members of the team live in
the comnunity. He stated he lives in Fridley, and that was why they were
asking to have the tournament in Fridley.
Dr. Boudreau stated the reason the Minneapaul Deaf Athletic Association
wishes to run a softball tournament is to raise funds so the entire group
can take a trip out West, He stated he had explained to Mr. Nathanson that
with the paying of the umpires and other expenses involved in running a
tournament, he felt it would be very difficult to raise enough money for the
trip, However, the Plinneapaul �eaf Athletic Association is also runnin9 some
other athletic events throughout the year, and they hoped to pool all the
money and run the tournment.
Dr. Boudreau stated he had explained to Mr. Nathanson that the City Council's
policy has been to allow four tournaments per year to non-profit organizations
serving the City of fridley--the Fridley Firemen, Hockey Booster Club, Jaycees,
and Fridley Covenant Church. Those are the four groups traditionally approved
by the Parks & Recreation Canmission and City Council to hold tournaments.
There are some other groups the City helps service. One is the FYSA, which
is part of the City's program, and the FVSA has requested a softball tournament.
Mr. Kondrick asked that with the present load of softball teams, was there
any room or time availab7e for any extra tournaments?
Mr. Kirk stated that at the present time, Plonday through Thursday nights
are booked solid. There is also a league on Sunday evenings. Friday night
is the only night for make-up games. They generally go about one out of every
three Fridays for make-up games. Saturday is the only open day.
Mr. Kirk stated there are three groups returning for tournaments this year.
They are the Fridley Hockey Booster Club, Fridley Covenant Church, and the
FYSA.
Mr. Nathanson stated the tournament would be on Saturday and Sunday. 7hey
would like to have it on June 11-12.
Dr. Boudreau stated the City Council has always put forth the opinion that
the bal] diamonds, when not scheduled for league play, shou7d be 7eft open
for use by Fridley residents. That is why tournaments have been held to
about �ne per month.
PARKS & RECREATION CO�R4I55ION MEETING APRIL 18 1983 PAGE 3
Ms. Schreiner asked if the group had apprached Srooklyn Park to see if any
fields were available for their tournament.
Mr. Morse stated they have not made a request to Brooklyn Park, He stated he
lives near the park and it is being used all the time for tournaments.
Mr. Nathanson stated the reason he had chosen Fridley was because it was
centrally located and would be easy for all the teams to come together.
Mr. Kondrick stated there are already many teams playing in the neighborhood
parks during the week. Because of this heavy load, the City Council feels the
weekends should be kept as free as possible so residents can use their parks.
He thought it was a good policy to keep the parks available on weekends for
use by Fridley residents.
Dr, Boudreau stated the City is in the process of formulating a policy to govern
the tournament requests that might cane in next year when the comnunity park
conplex is completed. Right now, the City very honestly has more requests than
they can handle. Two outside groups have already been turned down for tournaments,
and there are at least 2-3 more requests coming in, plus this request.
Mr. Kondrick stated that next year when the canmu�ity park, located across from
Columbia Arena, is completed, perhaps the City will be more able to accomnodate
this tournament request. At this time, it is very difficult to accommodate any
additional people.
Dr. Boudreau stated there are 120 adult•teams playing one night a week, The
fields on Friday nights, if not used for rain-outs, Saturdays and Sundays are
generally left open for practice or family use on a first-come, first-serve
basis. He felt when a team pays a fee of $25� to enter the league, the City
should be fair to them and not tie up all the fields so they can have some prac-
tice time.
Mr. Allen stated he did not agree with that. Those teams are paying for league
competition and not practice time. The practice time is up to the individual
teams.
Mr. Kirk stated the City of Fridley has somewhat of a different policy in that
they do not charge a fee for groups to come in and put on a tournament. The
groups are always non-profit Fridley organizations and they pay a deposit,
However, there are several communities that will rent their fields for tournament
use. The City of Lexington and Columbia Heights have a rental policy.
Mr. Kirk stated he and Dr. Boudreau have discussed at length the possibility of
a rental policy for fridley when the new consnunity park is available. In the
past, there has been no need for such a policy.
The Carmission members explained that a new community park complex is being
developed and next year the City will be rtrore able to handle tournament requests.
They suggested the Minneapaul Deaf Athletic Association approach the Canmission
next February or March if they wished to hold a tournament next sumner,
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSIdN MEETING. APRIL 18l 1983 PAGE 4
Ms. Schreiner suggested the group approach other communities. especial7y
Brooklyn Park.
Dr. Boudreau sugqested they check with the University of Minnesota, because
the University does have quite a few fields.
Mr. Alien encouraged the group to continue to pursue this and suggested the
possibility of usin9 some of the fields in Como Park. He also stated he wanted
to re-emphasize something he had said earlier in the meeting. He stated he
definitely agreed that open time was important; however, he didn't believe
the City had any obligation to include practice time for teams registered to
play in the City of Fridley, especially when he heard that 60% of the players
on the teams are non-residents.
MOTZON BY NS. SCHItEINER, SECONDED BY XR. ALLEN, 20 DENY THE SOFTBALL TOURNA-
MENT REQIIEST FROM TBE XZNNEAPAUL DEAF ATNLETZC ASSQCIATION.
UPON A VOZCE VOTE, ALL VOTINC AYE� CHAIRPERSON KONDRICX DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANZMOUSLY.
Mr. Kondrick thanked the people from Minneapaul Deaf Athletic Association
for attending the Comnission meeting. He stated he hoped the City of Fridley
could help them next year.
2. DIRECTOR'S REPORT:
a. Agreement with School District �414 for 1983-84
Dr, Boudreau stated an agreement has been reached between the City and
School District N14 for 1983-84. The agreement is the same as this past
year, E5,000 for use of school facilities. The 55,000 is not being billed
as a facility-use fee, but as a donation to he7p the school district
maintain its programming. The agreement was reached by the Superintendent
of Schools and the City Manager.
b. Softbalt Tournament Request - Fridley State Bank Team
Dr. Boudreau stated this tournament request has been withdrawn,
c. Bids Open - Comnunity Park Canplex Lighting
Dr. Boudreau stated that as the Parks b Recreation Comnission members
knew, all bids were rejected in December, because the bids were all too
high. In February, the bids were reiet. The 7ow bidder was Electric
Service Canpany, Mpls., at 5229,255. It was recomnended that the City
Council accept that bid to light atl six diamonds. The City Council
concurred with that recortrnendation and Electric Service Company will be
starting as soon as the fields dry out. The money for the lighting was
donated by Medtronic in the amount of E200,000, plus earned interest.
Dr. Boudreau stated the concession/storage/restrooms building will be
going up in conjunction with the lighting. Most of the labor was donated
by Jerry Paschke and other contractnrs. 7he building will also house
the etectrical panels for the lighting.
PARKS & RECR[ATION COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1983 PAGE 5
d. Meeting with F.Y,S.A.
Mr. Kirk stated they recently met with the FYSA. Two primary concerns
were expressed by the FYSA:
1, financial - How is the City going to be able to assist them
financially? Mr. Kirk stated the City, in the past, has picked up a
portion, if not all, of the officiating fees and assistance with paper-
work, duplicating, etc. He stated he will personally help them with their
scheduling. They explained to the FYSA that the City was aware of the
FYSA's financial situation, but the City was just not in any position to
start picking up some of the equipment costs. They would try to give the
fYSA at least as much this year as last year with officiating costs
and would continue to pick up the other services. As far as the future,
the City would have to wait and see what the budget situation was before
committing to any equipment purchases.
2, facility use - Some of this had to do with the City's autdoor
facilities. He stated he assured them the City would help them meet
tfieir programming needs within the City's limitations. So far, the
FYSA's program has not demanded more than the City can offer. The FYSA
was concerned about gym space, and they told them the City would be hanpy
to assist them by working with the schools. He stated after the School
Board meeting, Mike Leslie, one of the directors of the FYSA, and he will
meet with Board members to discuss indoor facility use for next year.
With Rice Creek Elementary School closing, everyone is concerned.
Ms. Schreiner stated the possibility of Rice Creek School not being there
is a very valid possibility. She stated she is sitting in on the Schools
and Sites Disposition Carmittee, and they voted last Monday evening to
recomnend to the Board of Education that Rice Creek School be sold and
the property be reverted back to single family homes or to development.
e. Thank-You Letter from Fridley Hockey Association
Dr. Boudreau stated the City has received a thank-you letter from
Gary Anderson, President of the Fridley Hockey Association, thanking
the Park & Maintenance crew for keeping the hockey rinks in such excellent
condition this past season.
f. Partia7 Payment fran Knights of Columbus Pledge to Community Park Development
Dr. Boudreau stated the City has received $5,000 from the Knights of
Columbus, which is a partial payment of the $25,000 pledged for the
Comnunity Park development. Twenty thousand dollars of that pledge has
been paid, and the remaining $S,ODQ wiil be paid next year. He stated
a thank-you letter will again be sent to the Knights of Columbus.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETIN6, APRIL 18, 1983 PAGE6
3, NEW BUSINESS:
1483 Softball Fee Schedu7e, Non-Resident Fee, Eligibility
Dr. Boudreau stated that since the softball fee schedules had to be
established, the Commission members had been polled by telephone
for their concurrence.
Mr. Kirk stated that the following three things should be made a matter
of official record by the Parks & Recreation Commission.
7, League entry fee - raised approximate7y i0%.
1982
State registered teams L 5
Non-state registered teams 2D0
(fun league)
1983
50
22n
Eligibility - This year the State did away with their state-
wide eligibility requirements. The State said that as long
as anyone lives or works in Minnesota, that person is eTigible
to play in any community. Since the City of Fridley turned
away a lot of teams last year, they felt if they opened it up,
they would be deluged with requests and probably a lot of
frid7ey people would start getting bumped off the Leams in
favor of better players from neighboring communities. After
lengthy discussions, they felt they should keep the same eligi-
bility requirements they had last year. It is stricter than the
State, but they felt they are not in any position to take on
a lot of new teams. So, they recwnmended that each team has to
have p?ayers who live or work in Fridley and can have only
three players who do not meet that requirement. In the fun
league, all players have to either work �r live in Fridley.
3. Non-resident fee - Mr. Kirk stated they checked the records of
the past two years and found that two years ago 62% of the people
who played softball in Fridley did not live in Fridley. Many
worked in Fridley. Last year, close to 60% did not live in
Fridley. They called other conenunities to see what they were
doing as far as non-resident fees, and most of the cortanunities
are charging a non-resident fee. Many crnimunities are charging
$10. The City of Crystal is charging $30. A couple of the
commu�ities are charging $20, and they fe7t $20 would accomplish
two things. It vro uld bring in a fair amount of money to increase
the revenue, and it would probably deter sane of the non-residents
who have been playing in Fridley which will open up more spots
for Fridley residents. The Cortmission members polled were in
favor of this, and this non-resident fee has been instituted.
He stated he would report at the Corrmission's next meeting about
how much revenue this witl bring into the City.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1983 PAGE 7
MOTION BY MS. SCHREINER, SECONDED BY MS. SEEGER� TO CONCUR WITH
MR. KIRK'S REPORT AND TO APPROVE THE 1983 SOFTBALL FEE SCHEDULE,
ELIGIBILITY, AND NON-RESIDENT FEE.
UPON R VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE� CNAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
b. Spring/Sumner Fee Schedule
Mr. Kirk stated registration started about a month ago for the spring/
surtmer programs. The spring and summer fees were looked at and raised
significantly last year, and they wanted to be realistic in raising
the fees this year.
Playground program - remains at $18 (raised from $14 to $18 last year)
($32 maximum per family)
T-Ball Program - remains at $12
Tiny Tots program - remains at $12 ($20 maximum per family)
Mr. Kirk stated the only p!-ogram fee that has been raised about 20%
is the weight training program for both youth and adult. That has been
set up on a self-supporting basis.
Weight-training (youth) - raised fran $16 to $18.50
Weight-training (adult) - raised fran $20 to $25
The Comnission members concurred with the spring/summer fee schedule.
c. Softball Tournament Request - Fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club
Dr. Boudreau stated the Fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club is again
requesting the use of Comnons fields 2, 3, 4, and 5 on the weekend of
June 24, 25, and 26 for a softball tournament. The proceeds are to go
to the Varsity and Junior Varsity hockey team.
Dr. Boudreau stated he felt it would be nice if the Tiger Hockey Booster
Club would give some of the proceeds to the City's youth hockey program.
de stated the Club is using the City's facilities and equipment, the
City assists them,and then the money made on the tournament goes to the
high school. Why not support the hockey program in general throughout
the comnunity? The HAF could certainly use the help. In fact, all the
people who vro rk on this tournament are members of the HAF.
Mr, Allen stated he thought that was a very good idea and that sane of
the money should go back into the City's program.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1983 PAGE 8
MOTION BY MR, ALLEN� SECONDED 8Y MS, SCHREINER� SO APPROVE THE SOFTBALL
TOURNAMENT RfiQiIEST BY THE FRIDLEY TIGER HOCXEY BOOSTER CLUB FOR
JUNE 24-26� 1983� BUT TO REQUEST THAT THE FRIDLEY TIGER HOCKEY BOOSTER
CLUB STRONGLY CONSIDER TAE FRIDLEY HOCKEY ASSOCIATION AS ONE OF THE
BENEFACTORS OF THE FUNDS TXAT ARE RAISED. IN DOING THIS, FUTURE
TOURNAMENTS RE(MIESTED BY TXE FRIDLEY TIGER HOCKEY BOQSTER CLUB CAN
BE MORE ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTED BY TXE PARKS 6 RECR&ATION COMMISSIONj
OTXERWISE, APPROVAL OF FUTURE SOFTBALL TOURNAMENTS MAY XAVE TO BE
RECONSIDERED,�
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
e. Soccer Field Request - FMC Corporation
Dr. Boudreau stated this is about the fourth year in a row that FMC
has requested the use of a Fridley soccer field for a men's soccer team
sponsored by FMC and made up of FMC employees. He stated he has told
them that the City does not reserve specific areas for private company
teams or individual teams, and that the fields are available on a first-
come, first-serve basis, with the exception of the youth program. He
stated he would have the same recommendation for this group as he has
for the softball field requests or anything else.
MOTZON BY MS. SCHREINER� SECONDED BY MR. ALLEN, TO DENY THE SOCCER FIELD
REQUEST BY FMC.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL YOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRSCK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
f. Softball Fields Request - Parents without Partners
Dr. Boudreau stated the Commission had received a letter from a
national organization called Parents without Partners (PWP), an organi-
zation dedicated to the welfare of the single parent and their children,
members totalling around 600 in the Anoka area, of which about 100 men
and women were requesting the use of two softball fields for mixed soft-
ball get-togethers one night a week (Monday, Wednesday, or 5unday night)
beginning the first part of May.
MOTIDN BY MR. RLLEN� SECONDED BY MS. SCHREZNER, TO DENY THE REQUEST
FOR SOFTBALL FZELDS BY PARENTS WITNOUT PRRTNERS ON THE BRSIS OF THE ONGOING
POLICY OF BOOKZNG TNE ATHLETIC FACZLITSES AND TO INFORM THZS ORGANIZRTZON
TXAT THE FIELDS ARE AVAILABLE ON A FIRST-COME� FIRST-SERYE BASIS.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON KONDRICX DECLARED THE
MOTZON CRRRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
PARKS S RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1983 PA6E 9
g. Softball Tournament Request - FYSA
Dr. Boudreau stated the Girls' Softball Division of tfie FYSA is request-
ing the use of Caimo�s 2, 3. 4, and 5 for their second annual Invitational
Youth Softball Tournament on July 15-17, 1983. He stated they ran a
good tournament last year, and it is an activity that encourages girls
to participate in sports. He would recomrtiend approval of this tournament
request.
XOTION BY !!S. SEEGER, SECONDED BY MS. SCHRESNER, TO RPPROVE THE SOFTBALL
Y1�IIRNRXENT REpUEST BY TXE GZRLS' SOFTBALL DNZSZON OF THE FYSA.
DPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED TNE
MOTIDN CARRIED UNANIMWSLY.
h. Location of Possible Hazardous Waste Sites
Mr. Kondrick stated he thought it was obvious to the Commission members
that the possible location of a hazardous waste site in the City of
Fridley was impossible because of the water table, the possible contamina-
tion of waterways in the City, and the proximity to the parks. He stated
he planned on attending the public hearing the following evening and
would express his concerns as a member of the Parks & Recreation Comnission.
Ms. Seeger stated she felt the Carmission should make a statement about
the proximity to the major park properties. One of the proposed sites
does partially include Springbrook Nature Center and covers a number of
other smaller parks. She stated she also planned to attend the public
hearing.
NOTION BY MS. SCXREINER, SECONDED 8Y lIR. ALLEN� TO CRANT MR. XONDRICK,
CNAIRPERSON OF THE PARKS 6 RECREATION COMMISSZON� TNE AUTHORIZRTION TO
SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARZNG ON PQSSIBLE NRZRRDOUS WASTE SITES AND VOICE
THE COMMISSION'S DISAPPROVAL OF THE WASTE SITES BEING PROPOSED FOR THE
CI4'Y OF FRIDLEY HECAUSE O£ (2) THE PROXIMZTY TO THE PARKS; (2) TXE WATER
RESODRCES T11AT RUN TNRDUGN TXE PARKS� AND (3) THAT HAZARDOUS WRSTE IS
A POTENTIAL DANCER TO RLL OF FRIDLEY BECAUSE OF TNE DIRECTION OF WRTER
FLOW.
UPON A VOZCE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON XONDRZCK DECLARED THE
MOTZON CARRIED UNANINOUSLY,
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETIP�G, APRIL 18 1983 PAGE 10
4. OLD BUSINESS:
a. Policy Manual Discussion
Discussion on the policy manual was continued until the next meeting.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION BY MS. SEEGER, SECONDED BY MS, SCXREINER, TO AAJOURN THE MEETING. UPON
A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHASRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE APRIL 28� I983,
PARKS S RECRERTZON COMMISSZON MEETING ADJOURNED RT ID:00 P.M.
Res ectfully sub itted,
��n.2 .�-��
ynM e Saba
Recording Secretary
1!
City of Fridtey
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING - TUESDAY, APRIL 26, 1983 PAGE 1
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Gabel called the Appeals Cortmission meeting of Tuesday, April 26,
1983 to orcer at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Patricfa Gabel, Alex Barna, Jim Plemel, Jean Gerou,
Donald Betzold.
None.
Others Present: Darrell C1ark,City of Fridley
Ralph S. Virgillo, 8298 University Avenue N.E.
Steve Butgusaim, 6160 Kerry Lane
Ken Thornton, 5571 E. Bavarian Pass
Rich and Bev Thaczil, 12323 Gladiola N.W.
APPROYAL OF MINUTES Of MARCH 22, 1983:
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Betzold, to approve the minutes as
written. UPON A VOICE YOTE, A!L YOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
F
N.E. WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEW APRIL, 1982 . Request by Ralph
VirgiTio, Owner, Raffaele's Supper Club, 8290 University Avenue N.E..
Fridley, 14i 55432).
There was no Staff Report to be read.
MOTION hy htrs. ferou, seconded by Mr. 6etzold, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL YOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEARING OPEN AT 7:30 P.M.
Mr. Clark explained that in 1978 the new owner was issued a variance for the
roof sign for two years; it was reviewed in the Spring of 1980 and another
two-year extension was granted. He said in the Fall, 1980, Mr. Yirgillo was
the new ovmer and requested to put a new pylon sign. That was granted with
the stipulation that he remove the roof sign. Mr. Yirgillo removed the roof
sign and su6sequently 6usiness fell off, people were having trouble finding
the place, etc. Mr. Yirgillo's requested to have the roof sign put up again
was granted in December, 1980, with the stipulation that it be reviewed in
two years. Mr. Clark said Mr. Yirgillo is now asking for an exte�sion to
keep the roof sign. He said the pylon si n is 80 square feet and the roof
sign if 96 square feet (176 sq. ft. total�.
2.
Appeals Commission Meetino - April 26 1983 Pa4e 2
Mr. Clark said the roof si n{°food and liquor") is much easier to see than
the pylon sign (Raeffele's�. Ms. Gabel asked if they are looking at a review
of extension or granting permanent variance. Mr. Llark said the extension
has expired and the cortmission can set it up for review whenever they want or
deny it.
Mr. Virgillo said his building is far off the road and the pylon does �ot
benefit at all and the roof sign makes it much easier for people to find.
Ms. Gabel said she recognized the pro6lem and she is aware of it and the
granting of extensions in the past show there is a problem. Mr. Virgillo
said he is working on a wall sign to be attached to the 6uilding -- canvas
stapled to wood. Mr, Plemel asked if there was a"reader" board and if it
was legat. Mr. Giark said the sign in the A-frame was the "reader" sign
and both signs com6ined meet the requirement for square footage. Mr. Virgillo
said he would like to leave things the way they are now. Ms. Gabel asked if
tne free-standing sign was legal and Mr. Clark said it was. She felt it
would be best to have a wa11 sign a�d a sign on top to get coverage from
University Avenue and there should be some way to work this out so the
petitioner does not have to keep coming back for reviews and extensions.
Mr. Clark felt the situation would not get any 6etter and it possibly would
get worse if something is 6uilt in front of the lot. Mr. Barna tfiought that
could possibly 6ring in more business if that happened. Ms. Gabel asked if
the staff had any concerns and Mr. Clark said they didn't as the sign is not
obnoxious. She said they could grant a lonqer extension (5-10 years) and
a permanent variance may be inappropriate. Mr. Betzold felt the only thing
that could happen is that the situation could get worse and he had no problems
in granting a permanent variance. Mr. Barna felt development in the area
would help business a littie bit. Mr. Yirgillo said a 2-story building (if
it were 6uilt) would restrict the view. Mrs. 6erou said there is a definite
hardship and she had no problems with a permanent variance and Mr. Plemel
concurred.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mrs. Gerou, to close the public hearing.
UPON A YOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIN6 AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEARING CLOSED AT 7:50 P.M.
MOTION by Mr. Betzold, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Appeals Comnission
recomnend to the City Council, through the Planning Comnission, approval of
the variance request for a roof sign at 8290 University Avenue N.E., Fridley,
Minnesota, 55432, and that this variance be made permanent to the ¢resent
owner based on discussions that there is a definite hardship and the situa-
tion is not going to change and that any subsequent owner shall be required
to come before the Appeals Comnission fa� a review. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL
YOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON fABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Appeals Comnission Meeting - April 26 1983 Page 3
MqTION 6y Mrs. Gerou, seconded 6y Mr. Barna, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOILE YOTE, ALL YOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEARIN6 OPEN AT 7:52 P.M.
Chairperson Gabel read the Staff Report:
�D!lSIIS?RATI9S ST�PF RBPOAT
5A55 - #t6 Street 6.B.
l. PQBLIC PORPOSE SERYED BI AEQOIR&ff�IT:
Section 205.073. 7. ,2. reQulrea a lot srea of not les� L6an 75,000 �Quare
leet for a four family dr+elliag.
Public purpose aerved by this requirement ia to avoid the condition of over
crowding of a residentlal neighDorhood and to avoid an excess burden on the
ezi�ting vater and sexer aervices.
3ection 205.073r ��� �4uiree a ti�ont yard witd a depth of not les� than 35
feet.
Public purpose aerved by thie reQuirement 1a to allox for off-�treet
parking xithout encroaching on the public right of way and also for
aesthetic consideration to nduce the Duilding "line of eight" encroachment
into the nelghbor'a front yard.
Section 205.073. �. 83� requires a einimum aide yard aetDack of 35 feet on
the street alde of a corner lot.
PuDllc purpose served by Lhi� requirement ls to maintain adequate aide yard
aetbacks and aesthetic open areas around re�idential atructures.
Ssetion 205.073� �C, requires a ninim� rear yard depth of not less than 25
percent of tAe lot depih, xith not leas than 25 feet yermltted or more than
40 feet required.
Public purpose aerved by this requirement ia to provide rear yard space to
be used for green areas rrhich enhance the aeighborhood.
H. STATED RARDSAIP:
•Portions of tt�e lot taken for Aighway have lePt tbe lot leas than City
requirements for a four unit building. Orienting Lhe house to the aouth
glves a better aolar gain sad best ahields Lhe living quarters from the
freeway noise. T6e lot ie a corner lot rhich requires additional setback
diatance.•
3. �DtlIAISTAITIYE Sl'APF RE9IBY:
Portions of lots 29 and 3D were taken for 6ighway purposes �hen I1694 Was
Duilt. 7be land area prior to the taking vould aupport a 4 unit dwelling.
Ezisting impact of It694 resulted in the proposal Lo be oriented so as to
a�simulate highxay noise creating a more quiet, en�oyaDle space to the
south of tLe building. Ilao, aolar gain xas more optimum.
Preseatly, the City holds fee Litle to t�e area Detween Lhie property and
the aervice drive (area in cross-hatch). The land ahould De aold or
vacated to compliment this project. Proper landscaping and drainage adould
De implemented. Ezisting garage ahould be removed by some date.
Appeals Commission Meeting - April 26, 1983 Page 4
Mr. Clark said his records sBo� that the only variance was granted back in
1966 for a 6i116oard. Mr. Clark wanted to re-emphasize that the City holds
fee title to tfie area 6etween this property and the service drive area and
if it was turned over the front yard setback would be adequate and the side
yard set6ack would 6e 5 feet t35 to 30 ft.) and rear yard setback would be
down to 5 feet and that under the new code the owner can choose which is
the frontage. Ms. Gabel asked if the City is willing to sell or vacate
the land. Mr. Clark said the Council is nn the process of studying what to
do with the turnback property tRey have received and in most cases, the
property is not that valUable. He said if tfie petitioner chooses south as
the rear yard, the ai�ey side would be the side yard and variance would be from
15 f�t. to 5 ft.
Mr. Butgusaim said they worked with staff on these plans. He said they
looked at several options and this plan allows for a nicer design and for
tfiem to use newer building concepts with solar gain. He said that Michael
Bannon is the oxner of the property and he plans to live in the building.
He also felt this 6uilding would significantly beautify the area and fit
closely with the unit across the alley and the garage would help block the
freeway noise. He said they do plan to remove the existing garage (it is
presently used as a storage building). Mr. Butgusaim said they would not
impact the alley or the City and they are interested in having that piece
of property. He said a 3-unit building could be put on the property but the
staff wanted to stay away from that. His plans also include greenery and
shrubs and tfie 4-unit is going to be organized as a condominium.
Ms. Gabel did not think it fe�sible to build another square, �-unit building
and felt a 4-unit of this design would benefit the City. �4r. Betzold said assuming
the variances are granted and the City decides to sell that piece of property, what
if the petitioner does not purchase it. Mr. Butgasaim said he did not
know about tfiat situation. Mr. Clark said they would have to figure the
value before taking and after taking and if the variance is granted, the
property has very little value. Mr. Butgusaim felt the property value should
be the same as when the City took the property. Ms. Gabel said it would be
difficult to say a piece of land has no value and tfiey have to deal with this
situation as is as they have no way of knowing what will happen. Mr. Plemel
said he was sure there was remuneration when the state took the land and if
the land is not acquired, he did not see how someone could get into the garage
with the present plans. Mr. Clark said if the City owns it, they can allow it.
Ms. Gabel said if there were a vacation request on this land, it would be
initiated 6y the City. Mr. Clark said this was different because the City
became the fee owner; that it's possible the City could see to vacate it
to tBe adjacent owner or say it has to be open for public auction.
Mr. Butgusaim said staff informed them this is the way to proceed -- first for
the variances and then for vacation after the unit it up. Mr. Clark said they
did vacate across the freeway for the same type of reason. He said the area
witBout tfie turnback is big enough for a 3-plex and with the turnback it is
enougfi for a 4-piex. Mr. Setzold said it would be a shame to put a 3-plex
in the area and have the City turn it back. Mr. Clark said they should know
what the fiighway department gave the owner for the land and it should be
given back for the same amount.
Appeals Comnission Meeting - April 26 1983 Page 5
Mr. Thaczil was present. Ne owns the b-plex to Yhe east and just wanted to
come and find out what is happening. Mr. Plemel asked if he needed a
variance for Bis 6uilding. Mr. Thaczil said he purchased the other lot
from the owner and had a6out a 3.5 foot variance from the freeway. Mr. Clark
ask how far his garages were off the alleyway. Mr. Thaczil said they were
5 feet. Ms. Ga6e1 asked Bim for comnents. Mr, Thaczil said he was just
concerned about the variances and wanted to know what was happening and
it does not look like anythin9 is going to hurt fiis property and the plans
look nice.
Mr. Metzold asked if there was anything they could do to get a reading from
the City Attorney on the turn6ack or granting a variance subject to the
turnback. Mr. Clark said if they granted variances subject to the turn6ack,
it would possi6ly delay construction for this season and things move slowly
in turnback situations and if they made it contingent it would mean he could
not build for a while and suggested they could recortmend variances and en-
courage Council to do turnback as soon as possible. Ms. Gabel said there is
no policy set and the time fra�e tould be horrendous and they have to deal
with what they have. Mr. Plemel said he did not like the idea of granting
these variances when land couid 6e obtained; Mrs. Gerou felt the same way.
Mr. Barna said the lot is buildable for a 3-plex and if they build a 3-plex,
that would nullify the hardship. Mr. Butgusaim said it was a 4-plex lot
when the land was taken and the hardship was created. Ms. Gabel said the
Comnission would like to explore the possiblity of obtaining the other piece
of property but if the variances were denied it wouTd be another 6 months
before they could come 6ack and ask for another one. She also said they
could table the matter. Mr. Clark said they could grant the variances except
for the turnback area and if the Council were to turn back this property they
would only need two variances. Ms. f� bel felt it would make a mess for the
petitioner. Mr. Barna said if the City holds onto the property and never
turns it back, the petitioner would still be able to drive over it and if
the possibility did not exist for the property go to back, they would still
grant that variance. Mr. Thornton said they were just trying to do what
the owner asked them to do -- get variances for a 4-unit building as it would
better for taxes than a 3-unit building. Ms. 6abe1 said they are concerned
with hardships and not taxes; that the variances for this are very Targein number.
She said they could grant the variances with the exception of the square
footage and make a recommendation to the Council to review the possibility
of vacating the other piece of property and there would a public hearing and
the P]anning Commission involved. Mr. Clark said only the Council and legal
staff have power to do that.
MOTION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mrs. Gerou, to close thepublic hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEARING CLOSED A7 8:50 P.M.
Mr. Plemel wondered if the Cortuoission would be criticized for granting
variances with the possibility of acquiring more land. Mr. Betzotd felt the
turn6ack issue needed to be addressed and tfiey could deny one variance and
grant tfie otfiers. Mr. Barna was prepared to go along with all four variances;
tfiere was a possibility witfi denying the area variance the turnback issue
might not be looked at. Ms. Gabel said they could make it part of the motion
that they are denying on the grounds that there is additional property
which may become available.
A�peals Commission Meeting - April �6, 1983 Page 6
MOTION by Ntr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Betzold, that the Appeals Cortenission
recommend to the City Council, t6rough the Planning Cortmission, denial of
the variance requests to reduce tfie lot area requirement for a 4-plex from
15,000 sq. ft. to 13,790 sq. ft. and reduce the front yard setback (on
4th 5treet N.E.) from the required 35 feet to 32 feet, on Lots 28, 29 and
30, Block 11, Hamilton's Addition to Mechanicsville, the same being 5455
4th Street N.E., fridley, Minnesota, 55432, on the grounds that additional
property could 6e made available to the property owner. UPON A VOICE VOTE,
ALL YOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MO7ION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
MO?ION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Betzold, that the Appeals Commission
recomnend to the City Council, through the Planning Commission, approval
of tfie variance requests to reduce the rear yard setback from 32.5 feet
(25% of the lot area) to 5 feet and reduce the side yard setback from the
required 35 feet to 3� feet to allow the construction of a 4-unit building
on Lots 28, 29 and 30, Block 11, Hamilton's Addition to Mecha�icsville, the
same being 5455 - 4th Street N.E., Fridley, Minnesota, 55432. UPON A VOICE
VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOT10N CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Betzold clarified the two motionsfurther as a request from the Commission
to tfie City Council to review the turnback issue in this matter.
OTHER BUSINESS:
Election of Chairperson and Vice Chairperson of Appeals Commission:
M�TIDN by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Betzold, to nominate Patricia Gabel
as Chairperson of the Appeals Commission. There being no other nominations,
Patricia C�a6e1 was elected Chairperson of the Appeals Commission by a
unanimous vote.
M07ION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Betzold, to nominate Alex Barna for
Vice Chairperson of the Appeals Comnission. There being no other nominations,
Alex Barna was elected Vice Chairperson of the Appeals Commission 6y a
unanimous vote.
ADJ�URNMENT:
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mrs. Gerou, to adjourn. UPON A VOICE YOTE,
ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF
APRIL 26, 1983 ADJOURNED AT 9:05 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Deb Niznik
Recording Secretary
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� PL{INNING COMMISSION MEETING, MAY 4, 1983
CALL TO OP,DER:
Chairwoman Schnabel called the �tay 4, 1983, Planning Commission meeting to order
at 7:34 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: P4s. Schnabel, Mr, Oquist, Ms, 6abe1, Mr. Svanda, Mr. Goodspeed,
Mr. Kondrick
Members Absent: Mr, Saba
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
Marie Karn, 1390 Onondaga St, N.E.
Ed Karn, 1390 Onondaga St. N.E.
Maxine Boone, 6564 Channel Rd. N.E.
Bruce Bondow, 6616 Central Ave. N.E.
John Mathern, Frank M. Langenfeld Construction, Inc.
Box 483, Hastings,Mn. 55033
David Kramber, 2013 - 29th Ave. N.W.
APPROVAL OF APRIL 20 1983, PLANNING COMMISSIOPI MINUTES:
MOiION BY NIR. KONDRICK, SECOND$D BY MS, GABEL� TO APPROVE THE APRIL 20� 1983�
PLANNING COMMSSSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN,
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CAFZkSED UNANIMOUSLY.
1, PUBLIC HEARING: REZONIPJG REQUEST, ZOA #83-01. BY FRANK M. LANGENFELD
wr�aircu�iiun, ir�c.: kezone Lot 3 antl the North Half of Lot 4, and Lois
6, , an 8, Block 1, Erco's First Addition, from C-2 (general business
areas), to R-3 (general multiple family dwelling areas), all located in the
North Half of Section 13, 7-30, R-24, City of Fridley, the same being
6516 Central Avenue N.E. and 6501 and 6517 Channel Road N.E.
MO?ION BY �, pQUIST� SECONDED BY MR. XONDRICK� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
REZONING REQUF.ST� ZOA i183-OZ, $Y FRANK M. L1INGENFELD CONSTRUCTION, INC.
UPON A VOXCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNAIRWpMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HSARING OPEN AS 7:35 P,M.
Mr. Deblon stated the proposed project is located just north of Mississippi St.
between Channel Road and Old Central. The proposal is for a rezoning from C-Z
to P,-3 which allows multiple dweliings. The proposal is for three 4-plexes,
each 4-plex approximate7y 2,000 sq. ft, in foundation area, two-story, with two
units per story. Garages are included in the development.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MAY 4 1983 PAGE 2
Mr. Deblon stated Staff has looked at the possibility of a 7and subdivision in
the future and the eventual selling off of each of the three buildings. With
minor adjustments, the proposal will meet future subdiv�sion requirements.
Mr. DebTon stated this is actualiy a down-zoning from C-2. 6Jhenever there are
two districts of C-2 �r resideniial nature, there is a district separation
requirement. He beTieved the applicant wauld be requrred to put up a fence or
some type of screening to separate the zones. The applicant is agreeable to that.
Mr. Deblon stated the floor plans of the buildings were included in the Planning
Commission's agenda. He stated these units are not as dense as far as units per
square foot as the code al7ows. There is an abundance of green area.
Mr. Deblon stated the Rice Creek Watershed Board will have to review this
development for drainage and wiTi have to approve it before any buiTding permits
will be issued.
Mr. Deblon stated that at this time, the City does not have a certificate of
survey in the records. He felt that if this proposal is approved by the Planning
Commission, a certificate of survey should be required before the proposal goes
on to City Council so the actual dimensions to the foot can be determined,
Mr. Kondrick asked about the exterior of the buildings.
Mr. John Mathern stated he is representing Frank M. Langenfeld Construction, Inc.
He stated the building uses a com6ination of brick, rough-sawn cedar and masonite
lapsiding, The units are 1,008-1,080 sq, ft. per unit with four units per
building. They are termed "energy-efficient" rental units. There are four
single stall garages, so each tenant is offered one single sta17 garage, and
there is sufficient parking to meet the City's requirements,
Mr. Mathern stated there are a.lot of green spaces. They like to offer people
a nice place to rent as well as provide some ponding basins for their own run-off
from the parking lots and roofs. They have submitted their p7ans to the Rice
Creek Watershed Board, and he believed the plans were being reviewed now.
Mr. Kondrick asked about the average monthly rents.
Mr. Mathern stated the rents will be in the range of $475-500 per month. These
buildings are the 18th, 19th, and 20th buildings of this kind they have built
in the last year, They have built in different suburban areas around the St. Paul
area. The rent is exclusive of uti7ities. Each unit has its own gas furnace
and hot water heater, so each unit is separately metereu except for water and
s evter .
Ms. Gabel stated she felt the trash containers were too close to Channel Road
and felt it would be better if they could be located by the garages,
Mr, p1athern agreed he would also like to see them put alongside the garages
and stated they would work with the relocation of the trash containers. He
stated the trash containers will be screened from view by rough-sawn cedar.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MAY 4 1983 PAGE 3
Ms. Schnabel stated that regarding the district separation between the duplexes
and the new chiropractice clinic on the corner of Mississvppi St. and Old Central,
what was the petitioner planning to do for screening?
Mr. Mathern stated they would prefer to screen with greenery, but if the City
requires fencing, they would accept that.
Ms. Schnabe) asked if any of the buildings a7ready bui7t have been turned into
condominium developments.
Mr. Mathern stated they have not, although with the use of the party wall,
ceiling insulation, sound stops, and fire stops required for condominium con-
version, if they or any future owners wanted to convert, it cou7d be done as the
buildings would probably meet most of the 9uidelines acceptable for condominium
conversion.
Ms. Schnabel asked if it was the owner's intention to ovm or sell off these
buildings.
Mr. Mathern stated they would like to have a tiuilding on each lot and at this
time, they plan to own the buildings.
Ms. Schnabel stated that in terms of the future and the eventual selling off of
the units, she was concerned with the floor plan for the lower units where the
rear exit is through a bedroom. Does this present any problem in terms of
security as weli as the seiling off as a condominium?
Mr. Mathern stated when they originally designed the plan about 22 yrs, ago,
they did not want the exit on the lower level out the back. They felt the one
in the front was sufficient since al7 the windows in the bedrooms are fire-escape
rated windows. However, some municipalities required rear exits or a separate
exit door. He stated those doors are solid core doors, they are dead bolted so
entrance cannot be gained through the rear door any easier than through the front
door. The doors are also locked from the inside. Most tenants do not even use
the doors, They are simpiy there as another means of escape in case of fire.
Mr. Oquist asked about the maintenance of the property.
Mr. Mathern stated the building owner is responsible for the exterior maintenance.
There is no extra charge for maintenance as it is taken into account in the
rent,
Mr. Deblon asked about handicapped accessibility.
Mr. Mathern stated they are required by state law to have handicapped access to
the front entry, and they do that by a lengthy gently sloped sidewalk leading up
to the entry. They also have a handicapped stall per unit in the parking lot.
Mr, Oquist asked about exterior lighting.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MAY 4, 1983 PAGE 5
Mr. Oquist stated this looked like an attractive way to develop that property.
The development seemed well thought out and the units are placed well on the
property.
Ms. Gabel stated the development seems consistent with the housing to the north
and is a better use for that property than a commercial use. The commercial
areas in Fridley are too spread out as it is.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLFfRED THE MOTION
CARRIED.�UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnabel stated that at their May 16th meeting, the City Council will set
the public hearing for June 6.
2. PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #83-02, BY MARIE C. KARN
Per Section 205.052, 2, A, of the Fridley City Code, to allow the construction
of a second accessory building, a 24 ft, by 20 ft. storage building, located
on Lot 5, 61ock 1, Walnut Addition, the same being 1390 Onendaga Street N.E.
MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. 5VANDA� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
SP �83-02 BY MARIE C. KARN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� AZL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMRN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING
OPEN AT 8:14 P.M.
Mr. Deb7on stated the property is located on the corner of Hayes and Onondaga.
The proposal is to put up a second accessory building, 20' x 24'. The plan shows
the building located about 4 ft, from the rear and side property lines. The
code minimum setback is 3 ft.
Ms. Marie Karn asked if it would be possible to move the building more into the
center of the lot, rather than in the far corner.
Ms. Schnabel stated that because of the code, if the Karn's moved the proposed
structure over so it was more in a direct line with the house next door, the
structure would have to be a minimum of 3 ft. and perhaps up to 5 ft. off the
property line so that 15 ft. is maintained between the proposed structure and
the neighbor's structure.
Ms. Schnabel asked what the purpose was for the proposed structure.
Ms. Karn stated it was for storage. They have a two-car attached garage, but
need another building to house la4!n equipment, snowblower, boat, etc. There is
no driveway proposed at this time to the new building.
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MR, KONDRICK� TO CLO5E THE PUBLIC HEARING,
ON SP �83-02 BY MARIE C. KARN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL D$CLARED SHE PUB.LIC HEARING
CLOSED AT 8:28 P.M.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MAY 4 1983 PAGE 6
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR, GOODSPEED� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY CDUNCIL
APPROVAL OF SPECIRL USE PERMIT� SP �83-02� BY MARIE C. KARN� PER SECTION 205.052,
2� A, OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE� TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SECQND ACCESSORY
BUILDING, A 24 FT. BY 20 FT. STORAGE BUILDING� LCOATED ON LOT 5� BLOCK 1� WALNUT
ADDITION� THE SAME HEING I390 ONANDAC'A STREET N.E.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTTON
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
Ms. Schnabel stated this item would go to City Council on May 76.
3. RECEIVE APRIL 12, 1983, COMMUNITV DEUELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR, KONDRICK� TO RECEII7E THE�FsFRTL 12� 1983,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
4. RECEIUE APRIL 18, 1983, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. KONDRICX, SECONDED SY MS, GABEL, TO RECEIVE THE APRIL 18, 2983�
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTE5.
UPON R VOSCE VOTE� AbL VOTING RYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTSON
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5. RECEIVE APRIL 26, 1983, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOT.TDN BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED SY MR. KONDRICK� TO RECEIVE THE RPRIL 26� .Z983�
APPEAIS COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHRIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ADJOURNMENT:
MDTION BY MR. SVANDA� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK� TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A
VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTSNG AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL D&C,Z.FiRED THE MAY 4, I983�
PLANNING COMMI5SION MEETING ADJDURNED AT 9:00 P.M.
Respectfully submit ed,
Lyn e aba �
Recording Secretary
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