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PL 09/14/1983 - 6822PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CAIL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: City of Fridley AGENDA WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 1983 APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 24, 1983 1. LOT SPLIT REQUEST - L.S. #83-05: by Michael 0'Bannon, for �tar Homes, Ltd., to split Lots 28, 29 and 30, Block 11, Hamilton's Addition to Fridley Park, into four building sites so the four unit building can be under separate ownerships. (see complete legal in agenda} the same being generally located at 5455 to 5561 4th Street N.E. 2. 3. RECEIVE fNUIRONMENTAL OUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 4. OTHER BUSINESS: ADJOURNMENT: 7: 30 P. M. PAGES 1 - 9 10 - 13 SEPARATE BLUE CITY Of FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSID�� MEETIN6 - AUGUST 24, 1983 CALL TO ORDER: Chairwoman Schnabel called the August 24, 1983, Planning Cortmission meeting to order at 7:37 p,m. ROLL CALL: Mer�bers Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Oquist, Mr. Saba, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Svanda, Mr. Goodspeed, Mr. Kondrick Menibers Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Benjamin Rischall, 6656 Flag Ave. No., Brooklyn Park Marvin Rischall, 1540 Laurel Ave „ St. Paul John F. Haines, Unity Medical Center, 550 Osbarne Road Dan Parson, 740 County Rd, D W. D. Horn, Amoco Oil Co., 4640 W. 77th,Suite 328, Mpls. APPRQVAL OF Al1GUST 10, 1983, PLAt�NIN6 LOMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MR. KONDR7CK� SECONDED BY Mft. OQUIST� TO APPROVE TXE AUGUST 10� 1983� PLANNING COMMZSSION MZNUTES AS WRITTEN. UPON A VOICE' VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAZRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, 1, PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #83-06, UNITED STORES: er ec ion . , e, , o e ri ey T y o e, o a ow re ai sales in the open and not under cover of a display salesroom, on Lot 3, Block 1, Target Addition, the same being 785 53rd Avenue N.E, MOTION BY MR. SABR� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO OPEN TNE PUBLIC XEARZNG ON SP H83-06 BY UNITED STORES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWQMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED TXE PUBLZC HEARING OPEN AT 7:40 P.M. Mr. Boardman stated United Stores is requesting an outside tent area in which to display merchandise about three times a year during the summer months. United Stores would like a permit that was on an ongoing basis that would not require actual approval every time they have a sale and want to erect the tent. Mr. Boardman stated that if this special use permit is granted, Staff would like to see some kind of structured timetable and some kind of condition PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 24 1983 PAGE 2 limiting the tent to an "x" amount of times during the promotional period or the sumner months. Other than that, Staff had no specific problems with the approval of the special use permit. He stated representatives from United Stores were in the audience to answer questions. Mr. Rischall, Merchandise Manager for United Stores, stated the special use permit they are requesting is for the erection of a large tent, about 26' x 30' in which they would set up tables and have, for example, a jeans sale, Since United Stores would like to do this on an ongoing basis, about 2-3 times a year, they would like to have a special use permit that was on an ongoing basis so they would not have to continue to get permits each time they have a sale. Normally, their sales run four days--Thurs „ Fri., Sat., Sun.--and then the big tent would be taken doNn until another sale. Mr. Rischall stated they have been displaying camping style tents on their front law during the sumner, and they would like to continue to do that. The tents are put up on the lawn during the day and taken down after the store closes. Mr, Boardman stated the tent itself is not the question. What actually requires the special use permit is outside sales. If United Stores is going to continue to have an outside display area and that disp7ay area is going to continue throughout the sumner, regardless of whether a tent goes up or not, the actual special use permit is for an outside display area, Also, if United Stores is going to continue to display their camping tents in a displ�y area outside for the entire surtmer, what would be required is a special use permit for outside display during the sumner months. He would suggest that both issues be handled at the same time as an outside display area. Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Rischall if he would have any problem if United Stores was limited to three times a year for the erection of the large tent. Mr. Rishcall stated he would have no problem as long as they cou7d continue to put their camping tents up and down throughout the sumner. Mr, Rischall stated they have made every effort to keep the area clean and looking nice. It is their headquarters, and they want to keep it nice. Mr, Saba stated he felt everything that United Stores has displayed on their front lawn has been handled in good taste, and he had no problem with granting t6e special use permit. Mr, Svanda agreed, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 24, 1983 PAGE 3 MOTZON BY MR. SRBA� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRZCK, TO CIASE TNE PUBLIC HEAI2ING ON SP Ji83-06 BY UNITED STORES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHXABEL DECLARED TH£ PUBLZC XERRING CIASED AT 7:52 P.M. Mr. Oquist stated the fact that United Stores takes down the camping tents every night keeps the grassy areas from turning brown. Mr. Boardman recommended there be an ongoing review process at the Staff level to review the nature of the activities going on in the sales area. Mr. Goodspeed suggested that they limit the large tent to a number of days per year rather than number of times per year, Limiting the number of times per year cou7d be understood that from June 1 to Au9. 30 was one time. Using number of days per year would give United Stores more leeway and at the same time would set a definition, Mr. Rischall stated he had no problem with that. MOTION BY MR. SABA, SECONDED BY MR, KONDRICK� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMZT� SP Ii83-06� UNITED STOR£S, PER SECTION 205,10I, (B) e, (N), OF THE FRIDLEY CITY COU�, TO ALLOW RETAIL SALES IN THE OPEN AND NOT UNDER COVER OF A DISPLAY SALESROOM� ON LOT 3, BLOCK Z, TARGET ADDSTION� THE SAME BEING 785 537ZD RVENIIE N.E.� WITX THE FDLLOWING STIPULATIONS: 1. THE SPECIAL USE PERMZT CONTINUE ON RN ONGOING BASIS WITA YEARLY STAFF REVIEW. 2. THE ERECTION OF THE LARGE TENT B£ LZHITED TO A TO?'AL OF 16 DRYS PER YERR, 3. TO ALLCXs' TNE DZSPLAY OF CAMPING GEAR AND TENTS OUTSIDE TO BE SET UP AND TAKEN IX1WN DUF27NG STORE NOURS. UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTZNG AYE, CHRIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Boardman stated this item would go to City Council on Sept. 12. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: RE�UEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP �83-07, STANDARD OIL �TA I N: Per Section 205. 31 A, 3 A, of t e Fri iey City Co e, to �ow'the instaliation of a car wash faciiity in an existing bay, located on Lot 1, Block i, Lampert's Addition, the same being 7680 Highway #65 N.E. MOTZON BY FII2, KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HARZNG ON SP J183-07 BY STANDARD OIL STRTION. UPON A VOICE VOTE�ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DPCLARED THE PUBLIC FIEARING OPEN AT B:OZ P,M. PIANNING COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 24 1983 PAGE 4 Mr, Boardman stated this station is located on the corner of Osborne Road at Highway N65, just east of the VFw Club and north of �ampert Lumber Co. Part of this property is leased for parking to the VFW so there is parking across the back of the property. Under city code requirements, any installa- tion of any car wash faci]ity in a gas station requires a special use permit, Mr. Boardman stated that if the sqecial use permit is granted, there are some stipulations Staff would like placed on the sQecial use permit, 1. That there be a landscaping plan--that Standard Oil work with City Staff to develop an acceptable landscaping p1an. 2. A 15' sanitary sewer easement be retained along the south side of the property, The reason for the easea�ent is that sewer comes in behind the YFW, but Yhe properties to the south are �ot serviced by sewer. #ir. W. D. Horn stated he is the Maintenance Supervisor for Standerd Oil. He stated there is limited room as far as landscaping is concerned because most of the property is in the blacktop parkin9 area; however, he had no problem with working with the City on a landscaping plan. He also saw no problem with the sewer easement because no construction was projected in that area in the future. Ms. Schnabel asked if any special remodeling was necessary for the installation of the car wash. Mr. Horn stated there was a stall already in the building Lhat had been a storage area. There was a modification to the ceiling, walls, and floor for water power. but there was no structural change. The drain was updated along with the installation of an inflamnable trap, MOTION BY NR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO CLCtSE 2XE PUBLZC HEARING ON SP N83-07 BY STANDARD OIL. UPON A VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING RYE� CHRZRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED TXE PUBLIC XEARING CLOSED AT 8:11 P.M. PlOTION BY Agi. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY XR. OQUZST, TD RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT� SP 883-07, STANDARD DIL STATZON, PER SECTION 205,131 (A), 3(A)� OF TBE FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO ALLOW TXE INSTALLA- TION OF A CAR WASH FACSLITY IN AN EXISTING BAY� LOCATED ON IAT 1, BLCK'K Z, IAXPERT'S ADDITION� THE SAME BEING 7680 HIGHWAY q65 N.E.� WITH THE FOLLOWING STZPULATIONS: 1. THE PETITIONER WORIC WITB CITY STAFF ON LANASCAPING PLAIVS Z, A 15 FT. SANITARY SEWER EASEXENT BE RETASNED ON THE SOUTN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 24 1983 PA6E 5 UPON A VOICE VOTE, RLL VOTZNG AYE, CXAIRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY. Mr, Boardman stated this item would go to City Council on Sept. 12. 3. PUBLIC HEARING: RE UEST FOR A SPECIAL USf PERMIT SP #83-OS BY TIMCO er ection ,, ,o t e ri ey ity Co e, to allow the construction of a 80�ft, by 204 ft. (43,854 sq, ft.) expansion of an existing clinic in R-1 zoning, located on ParceT 2400, in the North half of Section 11, the same being 500 Osborne Road N.E. MOTION BY MR. OQUZST, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO OPEN TXE PUBLZC HEARING ON SP J183-08 BY TZMCO CONSTRUCTION. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRIJOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TNE PUBLIC HEARZNG OPEN AT 8:34 P.M. � Mr, Boardman stated that at their last meeting, the Planning Commission granted a vacation to Timco Construction. Because this is R-1 zoning, even though it is a hospital district, a clinic is allowed with a special use permit. So, any additions or developments within this area require a speciaT use permit, other than the uses an R-1 district allows. Mr. Boardman stated that because the special use permit requires a public hearing before Planning Comnission and a vacation is not a public hearing before the Piannin9 Commission but is a public hearing before the City Council, they are trying to balance both requests so they go to the City Council at the same time. So, both the vacation request and the special use permit request will be going to City Council on Sept. 12, Mr. Boardman stated Mr. John Haines was in the audience to answer any specific questions. Mr. Boardman asked if there was going to be any shared parking with the hospital, Mr, Haines stated there can be if the requirement is there. He has not yet been told by Timco if it is required. North Suburban Hospital Board has already agreed to subiet whatever parking is required, if any. Mr. Haines presented the drainage plan to Mr. Boardman at the meeting. Mr. Boardman stated Staff w917 review the drainage plan, Mr, Haines stated the P]anning Comnission might be interested to know that right now about one-third of the new space will be used by current tenants. There has been great interest from others who want to expand, He stated they want space for at least three years (and they don't know if the space will even last that long) so the,> can attract new types of specialists as they become available, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETIN6, AU6UST 24, 1983 PAGE 6 4. MOTION BY AII2. OpUIST� SECONDED BY M2. GODDSPEED, TO CLOSE THE PUBLSC HEARING ON SP N83-08 BY TIMCO CONSTRUCTION, UPON A VOSCE VOTE� CXAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC XSARING CLOSED AT 8;22 P,M. MOTZON BY AIIt, OQUIST� SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA, TO RECOMMEND TD CITY CO(JNCIL APPROVAL OF A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT� SF II83-08, BY TIMCO CONSTRUC- TION� PER SECTION 205.071� 3� (F)� OF THE FRZDLEY CiTY CODE, TO RLLOW TNE CONSTRUCTION OF AN 80 FT. BY 204 FT. (43�854 SQ. FT,) EXPANSION OF AN EXIST- ING CLINZC IN R-1 ZONING� LOCATED ON PARCEL 2400� ZN THE NORTH HALF OF SECTZON 2Z� THE SAME BEING 500 OSBORNE ROAD N,E. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL S�OTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCNNABEL DECLARED TXE MOTION CARRZED UNANZMOUSLY. Ms. Schnabel stated it should be noted in the minutes that there was no one in the audience opposed to this request. Mr. Boardman stated that under State Law, any modification to a redevelop- ment district, not a tax increment district, but a redevelopment district, requires a review by the planning agency (Planning Comnission) with a comment coming from the planning agency to ihe City Council on how the document fits within the comprehensive plan, Mr. Boardman stated the HRA has approved the Modification to the redevelopment districts that are established. That modification, although it doesn't change the document or the content of the document, canbines the Center City Redevelop- ment Project with the Moore Lake Project with the North Area Project. The reasoning behind that is the HRA is looking at establishing a General Reserve System. In order to utilize tax increment funds in a General Reserve System and in order to use a General Reserve System effectively in all three districts, they have to set up one district and any additions to any project will be part of that one district. If the HRA didn't do this and wanted to use the General Reserve System, they would have to set up a General Reserve System for each specific area. That would probably make the Goneral Reserve System a useless document. Mr, Boardma� stated the modification sets up a11 area as one redevelopment project area, but it still leaves separate tax increment districts, so the Center City Tax Increment Dist, is now Tax Increment #l, the Moore Lake Tax Increment Dist, is now Tax Increment #2, and the North Area Tax Increment Dist, is Tax Increment #3. This allows the HRA maximum flexibility with those dollars within the redevelopment area. PZANNIN6 COMMISSION FEETING AUGUST 24, 7983 PAGE 7 Nr. Boardman stated the Pianning Commission has received Lhe HRA minutes and the discussions on the General Reserve System, EssenYial]y, the General Reserve System is a Dool of funds used to secure industrial development bonds. The more secure the bonds become, thp Tower the interest rates on the bonds. It is a rool that the HRA can use in the present competive market. the HRA has received positive cortrt�nts from the City Council on this program. Ms. Schnabel asked how this modification related to the specifics in the Coroprehensive Plan. Mr, Boardman stated he had written a meroo to the Pianning Cortmission (p60-f3}. He stated he did go through the Comprehensive Plan and in the merta he out- lined the sections he felt specifically related to the modification, He also reviewed the Comprehensive Plan for anything that would have been negative for this financing technique or restrict this amendment. Quite frankly, the Comprehensive Plan does not restrict it, However, there are policies and goa7s that cover the areas they are talking about and those areas do not conflict with the Canprehensive Plan. MOTION BY M2. RONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. OpU7ST, TO CONCUR WITN RESOLUTION NO. 1- 2983, "A RESOLUTION OF THE PIANNING COMHZSSION OF THE CITY CF FRIDLEY FZNDING SNE FRIDLEY NOUSING AND REDEVELOPNENT AUTHORITY'S MODIFIED REDEVEIAP- MENS PLAN SS CONSZSTENT WITN THE COMPRENENSNE DEVELOPltENT PLAN OF THE CITY OF FRIALEY, UPON R VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCNNABEL DECLARED THE MOTZON CARRIED UNANZMOUSLY. 5. CONTINUED: AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING A NEW CHAPTER 101 ENTITLED "ANIMAL CONTROL" Mr. Boardman stated the Commission members had received the revised ordinance which incorporated the changes made at the last Planning Canmission meeting, He stated there was stiil one question and that was the issue of vaccination and licensing of dogs. He stated he would like the Planntng Commission to pass this on to City Council with that issue still in mind and Staff wi11 try to work something out before the ordinance goes before C�ty Louncil. Mr, Svanda referred to N1 under 101.01 Definitions: "Every living creature except the human race." He stated he would like to see another word used than "human rac— e -- 101.04, Animal Nuisance, �Y8 (page 4j - The Comnission members agreed to add "at least six (6} months of age" after "three (3) or more dogs or cats". 101.04, Animal Nuisance, N10, N11, N12 (page 4) - Mr. Boardman stated that at the last Plan�ing Cortmission meeting, Staff was requested to look at the Minneapolis ordinance to see what Minneapolis had re9arding animal defecation. He stated these three sections were added fran the MinneapoTis ordinance. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 24 1983 PAGE 8 MOTION BY AIIZ, OQUZST� SECONDED BY FIlZ. KONDRICK, TO PASS THE REVZSED "ANIMRL CONTROL" ORDINANCE ON TO CITY CIXINCIL AS AMENDED, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING TtIAT STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK QN THE LANGUAGE FOR LICENSING AND VACCINRTION. UPON A VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAII2WOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TNE MOTZON CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 6. RECEIVE JULY 25 1983 PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION 8Y MR, KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MS, GABEL, TO RECEIVE THE JULY 25� 19B3, PARKS & RECREATZON COMMISSION MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED�UNANTMOUSLY. 7. RECEIVE AUGUST 2, 1983, ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY AII2, SABA� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 2� 1983� ENERGY COMMI5SZON MZNUTES. UPON R VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNRBEL DECLARED THE MOTTON CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY. 8. RECEIVE AU6UST 4, 1983, NUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MR. GOODSPEED, SSCONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 4, I983, HUMAN RESDURCES COMMISSION MZNUTES, UPON A VOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING AYE� CXAZRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 9. RECEIVE AUGUST 9 1983 COMMUNITY DEVELOPPIENT COMMTSSION MINUTES: MOTSON BY MR, OQUIST� SECONDED BY l�II2, SAEA, TQ RECEIVE THE AUGUST 9, .2983, COMMUNITY DEVEZAPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES, Mr. Oquist stated that the Community Development Canmission had discussed the possibility of having a display booth set up during the grand openin9 of the Center City Plaza and new Ganmunity Park on Oct. 7-8 to try to get some interest in city commissions. He had thought it would be nice to have a representative from each commission at tfie grand opening and had stated he would 6ring this up for discussion at the Planning Commission. Were any of the Planning Commission members interested in doing something like this? Ms, Schnabel stated she would be concerned about staffing a booth on a volunteer basis. Mr. Oquist stated they had also talked about some type of brocure that could be put together describing the commissions along with the goals and objectives of each commission, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 24, 1983 PAGE 9 Mr, Boardman stated a borcure could be handed out with other documents during the grand opening. The Comnission members seemed in favor of having some type of brochure put together that could be handed out during the grand opening. Ms. Schnabel suggested that when a brochure is put together, it be brought to the next Planning Cotmnission for approval, UPON R VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING RYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TXE MOTIDN CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 10. RECEIVE AUGUST 16, 1983, APPEALS COMMISSIDN MINUTES: MOTION BY MS..GABEL, SECONDED bY MR. SVANDA, TO RECEZVE THE AUG. 16� 1983� APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE� RLL VOPZNG AYE� CHAIRWOMRN SCHNRBEL DECLARED TNE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. ADJOURNMENT; MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO AATOURN THE MEETING. UPON A VOSCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAZRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE AUGUST 24� 39B3, PLANNING COMMISSZON MEETING RAIOURNED AT I0:10 P.M. Resp � tful ly submi 'ted, ynne aba Record ng Secretary �' . .� -_ ��(�(/��a''�'�� c�rv o� r-ss►o�r. SUBJECT • ��{( � fA�1 fJNtvQRi/TY AIVf. M. � V� � iRIl7LtY. MN• �t W�lI,t7MJ�f0 � —C � �. !OT SPLIT RiCORDED:_ tLAlWIMG W1*11SSIDH: APPROYEO ` OISIlPPROYED CITY COUqCII: P11RK fEE REQUIRED: STIPUU1710N5: ia LS I �3 �;:�5 OIITE: 8' .z!'�,� OATE sP�f � /�/ M� APPROYED D15APPROYEU OItTE NO A11WNT PAID u�pµ��-.�a y, a,,, cs„� L�f-1, FEE OO RECEI PT NO 0/ � PROPERTY OMNFR(S),�,�� << N�� (�L � v t cc �" �B�iM�+oz+ �'TEIEPHONE NO S7 �• /Ys�' TELEPHONE NO ,% ADDRESS(ES)_ `�+�- -' Sx'li' FiLw�.rt 3r ,LE' F.-�'lc,y,�•,. �3-v3z : PROPERTY LOUTION ON STREET S� L°u�-�+<r. LE6NL DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY � E'f 2 f�, 2 9 li-�d � a, TI'L,/c ic //, /�g� � L r. �1 �-ld��r.�, -Nd �►,��,�uv;�cc - TOTAL 11REA OF PROPERTI' ' PRESEHT ZONING�' 3 REAiON FOR l0T �Ld' '�f_U�h;}�f_�Y f..,�cv�'l�a� /�o+»�< or..�,�r.<� TAe undersigned'hereby deciares that atl the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. . � r1�� a►�:,..�'_ ,�d - �'3 �Si I � NOTICE: A sketch of the property and the p,posed io�� tures stwwn shoutd accoa{wny this application. (See revei�se side for additional instructions) 7 /ia.r— O��.i�'�q th any existing struc- I1 Descriptions for L.S. #83-05 Lots 28, 29, 30> Block li, Hamilton's Addition to Mechanicsville "A" Lots 28, 29 8 30, Block 11, Hamilton's Addition to Mechanicsville, except the easterly 73 feet and that part taken for highway purposes. "B" Lots 28, 29, & 30, Block 11, Namilton's Additi�n to Mechanicsville except the westerly 58 feet and easterly 51 feet and that part taken for highway purposes. 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UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON SVANDA DECLARED THE MOTZON CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1, USE OF BLACK FLY-A5H/SALT FOR WINTER ROAD MAINTENANCE OF FRIDLEY STREETS: Mr. Svanda stated Ms. Darlynn Ronn had called him a couple of weeks ago regarding her concern about the City of Fridley's use of black fly-ash on the streets during the winter time. He had suggested she come to the Comnission meeting and present her concerns and views. Ms. Ronn handed out a sheet entitled, "Fridley Beautification Resolution", that she would like the Comnission to consider and some photographs taken of the city streets during the winter. Ms. Ronn stated she and her fami]y moved to the area just two years ago. She stated they live one-half block off East River Road, so they have the black fly-ash on their city street and black ash on the county roads. The black ash is of a slightly different consistency than the black fly-ash. Ms. Ronn stated that during their first winter in fridley, she was appalled at what was happening. She had never lived in a community that used this type of winter road maintenance. When sfie called the City, she was told that nothing could be done 6ecause Anoka County was using black ash; and as long as Anoka County continued to use it, fridTey would not change. ENUIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETIPIG, AU6U5T 16, 1983 PAGE 2 Ms. Ronn stated she then contacted one of the Anoka County commissioners, who sent her a print-out listing the advantages of using the black coal � ash for winter road maintenance. The statement in itself seemed rather erroneous; and after some investigation, she found the information sheet does present a false picture of what black ash really does contain. Ms. Ronn stated she does have some scientific data on what the black ash contains. It contains mercury a�d boron and all kinds of chemicals which can be running into Rice Creek and the Mississippi River and evaporating into the environment, polluting the air and the water, in addiiion to the way it looks in general. Ms. Ronn stated that even with all the scientific data, other surrounding comnunities have selected to use some other form of winter road maintenance. She stated she has a copy of Hennepin County's approach to the environmental issue of using sand and salt. They also have stringent guidelines to deter- mine where it is to be used and in what proportions. They do not indiscrimi- nately mix salt with sand. In some areas of Hennepin County, they are using no salt at all. Ms. Ronn stated she really €elt the main issue of the use of the black fly- ash is not the scientific data but it is the aesthetic value and the beauty of the area. That is what she would like the Commission to consider. Fridley has the potential to be a very beautiful area, and Anoka County has so many beautiful natural things, creeks and rivers. It is a shame that for six months out of the year, the citizens have td look at the black ash. Ms. Ronn stated the black fly-ash drags in onto the carpeting, and it doesn't come out. She had new carpeting and one year later, it cost her $350 to have it cleaned twice, and sti71 they couldn't get all the fly-ash out of the carpeting. So, more than anything else, she would like the Commission to consider the aesthetic value af this area and what is happening to the area. Ms. Ronn stated that in Mahnomen Park, the fly-ash has built up terribly. There is an accumulation in the Spring Lake Park area, She stated she spoke to a woman who lives in Spring Lake Park and found out that Spring Lake Park used black ash for a very limited time in the winter, and even then the City of Spring Lake Park has received a lot of calls. Ms. Ronn stated she has been told that the City of Fridi�y is using a 3-1 ratio of black ash and salt (3 parts black ash to 1 part salt). There is a 20¢/ton difference from sand/salt so she did not know why the City was continuing to use it. She stated Anoka Courtty is using 5� salt which may be in excess of what Hennepin County is using in that there are areas in Hennepin County where no salt is being used, Ms, Ronn stated she is working with Paul McCarron and Grant Merritt, She has been advised by Paul McCarron to come back to Fridley to try to gain some support. They will be working with Anoka County and hope that Anoka County will change its approach to black ash also. ��. ENUIRONMENTAL QUALITY COFU1ISSIDN MEETING, AUGUST 16, 1983 PAGE 3 Ms. Ronn stated that Hennepin County did use the black fly-ash in 1979 and 7980 in a limited experimental area. "It was evaluated quite extensively in � 1979-80 and while it perforrt+ed adequately, the adverse effects outweighed the slight cost advantage." Mr. Wellan asked what Anoka County said were the advantages of using the black ash instead of sand, Ms. Ronn stated the main advantage was the County could then use 5% salt. If they use sand, Anoka County fee7s they must then use 15% salt, which is really not a correct statement according to other communities. Anoka County says the black ash won't hurt the cars as much. She stated that might be true for the person who only drives in Anoka County, but most people are not limited to driving just in Anoka County. Ms. Ronn stated she has requested information from Councilman Fitzpatrick on why the City of Fridley made the decision to go with black fly-ash for winter road maintenance and who made the decision, She stated she has not received this information, Mr. Svanda stated that, personally, he would rather have the City use the fly- ash than sand and salt. It seemed to be doing a good job of inelting the snow and ice off the streets. Sand is also filthy and dirty, and salt is going to be used in either case. Ms. Ronn stated she thought it would be pitiful if the whole State of Minnesota used the fly-ash. Other communities seem to be handling road maintenance in a more environmentally conscious way. Mr. Svanda stated he shared Ms. Ronn's concern about the filth of the fly-ash. He wondered about the concentrations of the various elements found in the fly- ash with respect to other things. Mr, Wellan stated that cement blocks contain fly-ash. The roads have a fly- ash mixture in them already, so as far as any kind of health hazard, he did not think there was any. He stated that in Montana, many farmers buy certain types of fly-ash from the utilities to put on their fields. Mr. Deblon stated there was no question that the black fly-ash looks terrible in the winter time. He had some questions on some of the data that he would like to pursue. Mr. Peterson stated the fly-ash is used in Me7ody Manor where he 7ives, and the intersections are always very safe. The fly-ash is not aesthetically pleasing, but it is very effective. Mr. 6ronlund stated it seemed to him that any metropolitan area looks filthy in the winter time, except after a snowfall. He could not recall any area looking good in the winter time. ENVIRONMENTAL OUALITY COMMISSION MEETING. AUGUST 16. 1983 Mr. Peterson asked if there were any studies or reports that the MPCA might have on the effects of using fly-ash. f Mr. Svanda stated he thought the most recent report was done in 1975. He stated there have been some problems in some areas with what to do with the snav accumulation because of salt content. Questions were raised at times that because of the chlorides, they rea7ly don't want to bulldoze the snow or pile it up on an ice bank or a storm sewer outlet which would allow for a straight shot into a lake, particularly a small lake that has a small turn- over rate relative to water caning in and out because of the adverse impacts on vegetation and fresh water fish. Ms. Ronn stated she really believed that the environment was what her eyes see. She has lived in Minnesota her whole life and gone through many winters. She felt sand and salt, treated in an environmentally-conscious way, could work in harmony with the environment. She stated Fridley is part of her environment, and it is very depressing in the winter time. The children play in the snow with the fly-ash; and if that is part of her environment, it is like living next to a garbage dump and people telling her it is safe. 5he would not have come 6efore the Environmental Quality Commission if sfie didn't feel Fridley coudl be a very beautiful place, She felt the City of fridley does want to become known as a beautiful community, and this is one place where they can start. Sand could be used in the same respect as the fly-ash, because other communities are doing it. Ms. Ronn stated tests are being conducted by a private laboratory on what exactly is in the black fly-ash. Regardless of what the results prove, the fact is that this is what they see six months a year. She can see no justifi- cation for the use of the black fly-ash. Mr, Svanda stated he agreed with Mr. Gronlund in that when there is no new snow during the winter time, all areas are blighted. He stated he would like to see some data that shows the fly-ash is really causing a problem, He would like to know from the City what went into the thought process in making the decision to use the black ash versus sand/salt. Ms. Ronn stated that, as she had mentioned earlier, she has requested this information from Councilman Fitzpatrick in a letter dated Aug. 3, 1983, but has not received any answer yet. One other question she asked in the letter was if the City would consider some other a7ternative if it did tfie same thing as the fly-ash. Mr. Svanda stated he felt the Comnission members were really open-minded about this issue, but they really needed more data before taking any action, Ms. Sporre stated she supported Ms. Ronn's efforts to clean up Fridley. It is really a winter beautification issue. The chemical aspects need to be reviewed, but purely on the visual aspects of the black fly-ash, she supported what Ms. Ronn was trying to do. She stated salt is also being used with sand so she did not think salt was the issue. ,,. ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 16, 1983 PAGE 5 Ms. Sporre stated that the rationale being given verbally by the City is that Anoka County is using the black ash, so then the question is when t will the new contract be signed with Anoka County for the next time period? If the Environmental Quality Cortenission takes too much time in reviewing this issue, it won't make any difference because the new contract will be signed and they will have to wait until next year. She stated she would suggest the Commission notify the City that the Comnission is reviewing this and ask the City to postpone any decision on the contract until after the Commission has reviewed it. Ms. Ronn stated she has a7so requested the same information from the County as she has requested from the City. She has made two requests and has not received any information. The other commissioners agreed that they needed to study the facts and get any additional information that was available before they could make any decisions. Mr, Deblon stated he would also like to contact Bob Hutchison, the Director of Environmental Services for Anoka County, and see what Mr. Hutchison's feelings are regarding the fly-ash. Mr, Svanda thanked Ms. Ronn and Ms. Sporre for coming to the meeting and bringing this to the Comnission's attention. He statE� this item will be discussed again at their regular meeting in September. Mr, Wellan stated that the State Highway Dept, might also be a good source for inforynation. MOTION BY MR. PTERSON� SECONDED BY MR. WELLAN� TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THE USE OF BLACX FLY-ASH FOR WINTER ROAD MRINTENANCE UNTIL THE NEXT MEESING. UPQN A YOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRPERSON SVANDA DECLARED THE MOSION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, 2. COMPOSTING INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION: Mr. Deblon stated he has not yet talked to the Coon Rapids' Public Works Director about his experience with composting. Mr. Deblon stated he did contact the City of New Brighton. The sanitarian, Dick Fridgen, stated that New Brighton presently has a site problem. The present site for the compost pile is an old gravel pit with standing water. What the Commission had heard about the disorganization of New Brighton's compost program was true. Mr. Fridgen stated he was not all the G:Aat convinced that the haulers would have that much extra cost in pulling the bags apart; it is a hard cost to document. Mr, fridgen felt there was a savings. He stated there was also a comnunications problem as volunteers were supposed to tear open the bags at the compost pile. EPIUIRONMENTAL QUALITY COh9'qISSION t�EETING, AUGUST 16, 1983 PA6E 6 Mr. Deblon stated �1r. Fridgen had stated that �ne,ct year New Brighton was going to try to arrange a joint thing with Arden Hills. Apparently, Ramsey County is starting to mandate compost piles. This year it will be strictly t a volunteer program. The City of New Brighton will publicize that the site is available and the people will bring in their own leaves and clippings. The Commission members felt the volunteer program was an interesting concept, but they did not feel it would work on a volunteer basis. Mr, Deblon showed the Commission members an aerial photo of the SORT area. He stated he also had a whole file of information on composting from Mark Huddleston of the MPCA. Mr. Svanda suggested tiie Commission members invite Mr, Huddleston to the next EQC meeting to discuss what to do and not to do to make a composting project successful. They should also ask Mr. Huddleston to put together some basic information for distribution to the Comnission members. The Corrmission members agreed to invite Mr. Huddleston to the next meeting. 3, OTHER BUSINESS: a. Oil Recycling Center Costs Mr, Deblon stated that the Comnission members had received in the5r agenda an itemized list of the costs to install the oil recycling tank. He stated tfiat for thc� next meeting, he would get the latest oil co"ection amounts. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION BY MR. PETERSON� SECONDED BY MR. GRONLUND� TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A VOICE VOSE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON SVANDA DECLARED THE AUGUST 16, 19B3, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURVED AT 10:00 P.M. Respectfu]ly sub itted, � � x e- C� �-�-- ynn� Saba Recording Secretary + r i � i CITY OF fRIDLEY � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETIPJG, SEPTEMBER 14, 1983 CALL TO ORDER: Chairwoman Schnabel called the September 14, 1983, Planning Comnission meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. ROLL CAIL: Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. A1 Gabel (for Mr. Oquist), Ms. Pat Gabel, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Goodspeed, Mr. Saba, Mr. Svanda Mer�bers Absent: None Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner Ken Thornton, 5571 E. Bavarian Pass Steve Butgusaim, 6160 Kerry Lane APPROVAL OF AUGUST 24, 1983, PLANNING LOMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MR. KONDRZCX, SECONDED BY MR. SVRNDA, TO RPPROVE THE AUCUST 24, 1983, PLJiNNZNC COMMISSION MZNUTES AS WRZTTEN. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE, CHRIRWOMhN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CAftRZED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. LOT SPLIT REQUEST - L,S. #.83-05: Dy Michael 0'Bannon, for Star Homes, Ltd., o sp i o s , 29 and 30, Block 11, Hamilton's Addition to Fridley Park, into four building sites so the four unit building can be under separate ownerships.(see complete legal in agenda), the same being generally located at 5455 to 5461 - 4th Street N.E. MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO OPEN TNE PUBLZC HEARING ON L.S, k83-OS BY MICHAEL O'BANNON. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE, CNAIRWOMAN SCXNABEL DF,CLARED TXE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:38.P,M. � � Mr. Deblon stated this property was located on 4th Street right next to the freeway. This development had been before the Appeals Comnission to obtain four variances. The four variances were approved by the City Council on May 16, 1983. Mr. Deblon stated the struct��3 is a 4-unit building with each unit having a garage entirely on each individual lot. He stated the structure was to be a condominiom, but there were circumstances having to do with the financing, timing, and a delay in setting up a condominium that caused the applicant to apply for a zero lot line request. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1983 PAGE 2 Mr. Deblon stated that in the City's subdivision regulations, there is a zero lot line provision that was adopted in July 1982. This is the first request for such a dwelling over two units. The City has a^�roved zero lot 7ine requests for double bungalows, but this is the first reouest for a zero lot line for a four-unit 5uildinn. Nowever, the subdivision requlations provide for this type of action. Mr, Deblon stated he believed the applicant has discussed further agreements with the four owners about the general use of the green space. He did not tfiink the City's declaration of covenant directly addressed that common green area, but the applicant is considering some type of clause to address that. Ms. Schnabe7 asked if there was anything in the zero lot 7ine ordinance about minimum square footage of each lot. Mr. Deb7on stated the subdivision regulations say the lots shall be '.divdd�d as is reasonably possible with the restrictions in the existing guide;ines of the zoning chapter." Mr. Deblon stated there is also some turnback property, and the applicant is willing to accept that turnback property as the process continues. Mr. Kondrick stated that apparently the owner is to execute and record a declaration of covenant with additional restrictions as provided by the City. Had the owner considered a guideline to prevent fences? With 22 ft. widths on the two inside lois, that is pretty narrow, Mr. Ken Thornton and Mr. Steve Butgusaim were representing Mr. 0'Bannon. Mr. Thornton stated that from his experience, it was not a concern; but if it is a concern of the City, they can prepare a paragraph that there are to be no fences built without the agreement of all four owners. The only thing he would be concerned about is the party wall agreement which is the same as the FHA. What they would like to do is draw up a paragraph and ask the FHA if it would be appropriate. They had no problem with no fences in the back- yard as long as the FHA would accept it under the party wall agreement. Ms. Schna6el stated that Mr. �eblon had said the applicant wanted to change this development from condominium to zero lot line four-plex. What was the reason for the change? Mr. Thornton stated he originally wanted to do a townhouse development, but the City's ordinances require five acres, so they couldn't go with the town- house development. Mr. Deblon had suggested condominiums. He stated they had no objection to that. However, to go condominium, the process to get financing was quite lengthy (at least six months} and quite expensive. Since the building has already been bui7t, they have to do something sooner than that, Mr. Kondrick asked what the selling price of each unit would be. ING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 14, 1483 Mr. Thornton stated the selling price of each unit is $62,900. Mr. Thornton stated the reason the building was was sitting the way it was was because of the shape of the land and the number of variances required. If the turnback property had been availabte, they could have set the building more to the west. 3 The Planning Commission members were concerned about the exterior maintenance of the four lots and felt they would like to see some type of association that would take care of the exterior maintenance of the building, the lawn, and cover some of the other concerns such as no fences in the rear yard. Mr. Steve Butgusaim stated the party wall agreement does call for maintenance to be done without detracting from the property, and he fel+ that covered the concerns the Planning Comnission mem6ers had. Ms. Schnebel stated she did not think it took care of what happens with the open green space, for instance. Mr, Thornton stated that right now each owner is responsible for his/her own lot area. He stated the owners wi17 do that, The same societal pressures operate here as they do for the single family detached homes, In watching other zero lot line developments (in New Brighton and Coon Rapids, for example), the properties are taken care of. Mr. Kondrick stated he had no objection to the lot split except for the out� side maintenance. He was afraid they might find one owner mows the lawn shorter than the next owner, one owner mows the lawn infrequently, and maybe one owner has lots of weeds in his/her lawn. He stated he would like to see some kind of common maintenance program. Mr. Butgusaim stated the part of this that bothered him was the word "associa- tion". They could have an association, and it would not be a problem to do so, but it makes for an apples versus oranges situation. He has never heard of a zero lot line townhouse with an association, and he did not think it would make sense to the government either, It would just confuse the situation. When the lenders get the packages and look at them for new mortgages, they do not know how to define this type of situation. ' A zero lot line townhouse with an association does not conform with most things that are on ihe market. Mr. Thornton stated the party wall agreement was the most accepta6le agree- ment in the country for multiple unit type of dwellings. FHA uses it al] over the country. Mr. Thornton stated he did not think there was any problem with changing some of the wording in the party wall agreement that no one can build fences, but when they form an association and start to do things collectively, then they are changing from one organization pattern to another and that is where they would run into trouble with�the lending institutions. But, this would have to be checked out with the FHA. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1983 PAGE 4 Mr. Goodspeed stated that the owners of Lots B& C would have to walk through Lots A& D to get to their own backyards with their lawnmowers. Ms. Schnabel stated Mr. Goodspeed had a very good point about Lots B& C needing access to the backyard tfirough the yards of Lots A& D. It was also a good argument against putting in any kind of fencing. Mr. Deblon stated he did not think the subdivision regulations actually addressed the 4-plex; it is geared more toward the double bungalow where both owners have side yards. Mr, Butgusaim stated that if they could change the term and call it coopera- tive yard maintenance, that would not constitute an association. Mr, Thornton stated maybe they could have an attorney write a definition for coo�erat�ve yard maintenance that the lenders would not interpret as a secret way of getting an association. Mr. Thornton stated he thought the point brought up by Mr. Goodspeed about rear yard access was an excellent point, This kind of thing has gone through �HA's all around the country, and it has been applied to these four�unit deve7opments, and this point has never been brought up before, MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MR. GOODSPEED, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON L.S. �83-OS BY MICHAEL O'BANNON. �UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CNAIRWOMAN 5CXNABEL DEC7ARED THE PUBLIC •HEARING CIASED AT 8:30 P.M. MO2ION BY MR. GOOASPEED� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.5, #83-05, BY MICHAEZ O'BANNON, � FOR STAR HOMES, LTD.� TO SPLIT IATS 28� 29� AND 30� BIACK 1.Z� HAMILTON'S ADDITION TO F122DLEY PARK� INTO FOUR BUILDING SITES SO THE FOUR UNIT BUILDING CAN BE Ul7DER SEPARATE OWNERSHIPS, THE SAME BEING GENERALLY LOCATED AT 5455 TO 556I - 4TH STREET N.E.� WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS: 1. THAT THERE BE NO FENCES IN REAR YARD ON 2NDIVIDUAL LOT LSNES; 2. THAT THERE SHOULD BE COOPERRTIVE LAWN MAINTENANCE; 3. THAT THERE BE HEAR YARD ACCESS EASEMENTS TO ALL PROPERTSES, Mr. Thornton stated they would 7ike to have it worded so as to provide some protection to prevent the access easement from becoming a nuisance. Ms. Schnabel stated that was reasonable and the Planning Gommission had no problem with that. UPON A VOICE VDTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. � Mr. Deblon stated this lot split request would go to City Counci] on September 26, 1983. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1953 PAGE 5 2, REUIEW Of AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING A NEW CHA?TER 14; ENTITLED "P �MOTZON BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED BY MR. SVANDA, TO CONTINUE THE REVIEW OF THIS ORDINANCE RT THE NEXT MEETSNG. Ms. Schnabel stated this is an ordinance the Commission should review because of the local merchants who are the ones who get hurt by these types of operations. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHASRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION . CARRIED UNANIMOSULY. Ms. Schnabel stated this was a7so something the Community Development Commission might want to discuss with the Ghamber of Commerce. 3. RECEIVE AUGUST 16 1983 ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CQMMISSION MINUTES; �MOTTON BY MR. SVANDR� SECONDED BY MR. SABA, TO RECEIVE THE AUG. 16� Z983, ENVIRONFiENTAL QUALITY COMMISSZON MINUTES. Mr. Svanda stated that Darlynn Ronn and Lee Ann Sporre were at this Corrmission meeting to talk about the City's use of fly-ash for winter road maintenance. The reason they came to the August Commission meeting was because of the timing, and they thought it was a point in time when the City and County would be executing contracts with local power utilities to get the fly-ash stock for the coming season. Ms. Ronn and Ms. Sporre wanted the Commission to pass a motion on to the City Council saying that the Commission was look- ing at this issue so that the City Council would then defer any possible action on executing any contracts, although neither of them knew for sure if new contracts were going to be let. Mr. Svanda reviewed some of the discussion at the meeting. He stated Ms. Ronn and the Environmental Quality Commission had some differences of opinion concerning the environmental effects of the use of fly-ash on the river and creeks, Ms. Ronn also stressed the aesthetic environmental issue. Mr, Svanda stated the Commission was unanimous in its opinion that winter- time is a filthy time of year and without periodic snowfalls, the whole metropolitan area looks blighted. All of the members of the Commission that were present at this meeting also shared the opinion that they were not that upset with the use of fly-ash and felt the use of fly-ash was safer, He stated this will be discussed again at the September meeting. It was the concensus of the Planning Comnission members that they were essentially in agreement with the Environmental Quality Commission in that the fly-ash did not seem to be a pro6lem and it seemed to work well in Fridley. UpON A YDICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHRSRWOMAN SCHNABEL DEC.LARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 14 1983 PAGE 6 ADJOURNMENT: MOTION BY MR, KONDRICK� 5ECONDED BY MR. GABEL� TO ADJOURN THE MEETZNG. UPON A YOICE vOTB, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE SEPTEMBER 24, 2983, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:30 P.M. Respectfully sub itted, Y.�. Lyn e Saba Recording Secretary � �_� ��,y�u�-;�„-- i%� I t� ��, / y�3 + �� `�%�� ;� � � � \ S 1-� � � ��-,� �� 1�0 %� ��-