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PL 11/09/1983 - 6826City of fridley AGENDA PIANNING COh�tISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, NOVEFIBER 9, 1933 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: OCTOBER 19, 1983 1. PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP N83-11, BY CARL A. ASPROTH: Per Section 205.071, ,-A, of the Fridley City Co to a11ow the construction of a second accessory building, a 26' by 40' detached garage, on Lot 8, Block 5> Rice Creek Terrace Plat 4, the same being 47Q Rice Creek Terrace N.E. 2. RECEIVE ENER�Y COhA11S5I0N MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 27, 1983 3. RECEIUE HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES: OCTOBEA , ,no� 4. RECEIYE PARKS & RECREATION ,..,,� �:il a. Motion on Page 14 of minutes goes to City Council 5. RECEIVE ENVI 6. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: OCTOBER 25, 1983 7. RECEIVE ENER6Y COMMISSION MINUTES: OCTOBER 25 1983 at meeting 8. OTHER BUSINE55: ADJOURNMENT: 7;30 P.M. FAGES 1 - 5 6 - 10 . ORCNID _ WHITE GREEN 18i BLUE YELLOW ORCHID CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 19, 1983 CALL TO ORDER: Vice-Chairperson Oquist called the October 79, 1983, Planning Comnission meeting to order at 7:45 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Nielson (for Mr. Svanda), Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Saba Members Absent: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Goodspeed Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 5 1983 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to approve the Octoher 5, 1983, �anning Cortenission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson �quist declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. CO�dTINUED: REVIEW OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING A NEW CHAPTER 14, ENTITLED Mr. Oquist stated the Planning Commission had sent this down to the Gommunity Development Commission for their input. He stated the Corrmunity Development Co�nission did review the ordinance and accepted it as written, contingent upon input from the Chamber of Commerce. He stated tfie Commission members had received a copy of a letter from Kerry Van Fleet, Executive Director of the Chamber of Commerce, dated Oct, 7, 1983, stating that the Chamber of Commerce also approved the ordinance. Mr. Saba stated the ordinance obviously includes farmers that may come into the City in the summer or fall to sell their produce. He noticed that Ms. Van Fleet had stated that the merchants in Fridley apparently did not object to that. Mr. Boardman stated farmers can come in and sell their produce. State law prohibits a city from restricting, by iicense, farmers from cominG in and selling produce. Ms. Gabel asked if she was correct in her understanding that with the new ordinance, if someone complained about a peddler or solicitor, if the peddler or solicitor did not have a permit, the police could tay the offender in addition to telling them to leave. PLANNING COh41ISSI0N MEETING, OLTOBER 19, 1983 PAGE 2 Mr. Boardman stated that was correct. Myone who sells in the City of fridley could qet tagged if he/she does not have a permit. However. people cannot sell out in the open on a corner without a special use permit. That is a zoning re9ulation that has nothing to do with the peddlers license. There is to be no outside sale of inerchandise without a special use permit. The City cannot prevent a person from applying for a license, but if that person goes out and sells on a corner, he/she a7so �eeds a special use permit. Ms. Gabel asked how Staff saw the enforcement of this new ordinance. Mr. Boardman stated he thought enforcement would be handled two ways: (1) The most probable enforcement would be on a complaint basis. (2) If the police are patrolling and see someone selling on a corner they can stop and ask the person to see their license. If the per•son does not have a license, the police have the tool whereby they can issue a tag. If the person is on the corner with merchandise that is out in the open, that is another issue and is a violation of the zoning code. .He stated most of the selling is done on the weekend, and the problem they run into is that by the time they 9et a complaint, the vioiater is not operating in the City. Another prob7em is that if the person has a license and is selling on a corner, but doesn't have a special use permit, the police can tag that person, but he is not sure if the police could actually stop that person from selling his/ her product. Mr, Oquist stated the only comment the Community Development Commission had was that the ordinance was quite lengthy and quite wordy; otheraise, they thought it sounded good. At least, it gives the police a tool for enforecment that they do not have now. MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend to City Council the a�3option of a new Chapter 14 entitled "Peddlers, 5olicitors, and Transient Merchants" and repeal Old Chapter 14 entitled "Peddlers" of the Fridley City Code 9n its entirety. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously. 2. REVIEW OF AM ORDINANCE ADOPTING A NEW CHAPTER 218, ENTITLED "HAZARDOUS Mr. Boardman stated that on Monday night, the City Council had decided to pass this ordinance to the Planning Comnicsion for its review, He stated the Planning Comnission may want to pass this ordinance orr to the Environmental Quality Commission for its input. PLAtJNING COMIIISSION MEETIN6, OCTOBER 19 1983 PAGE 3 3. 4 MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to pass the new Chapter 218 entit ed "Hazardous Waste Control" on to the Environmental Quality Comnissio� for its review. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the rtation carried unanimously. ORDI 121 ENTITLED " Mr. Oquist stated he thought this ordinance was really geared toward the use of intoxicating liquor outside private property where people could gather such as parking lots, etc., because there is already an ordinance prohibiting alcohol in public parks.. Mr, Sa�a stated he thought it was an ordinance that was very important and very necessary. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr, Kondrick, to recommend to City Council t e a option of new Chapter 121 entitled "Intoxicating Liquor - Consumption, Use or Display" of the Fridley City Code. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously. RECEIYE SEPTEMBER 26 1983 PARKS S RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr, Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to receive the Sept. 26, 1983, Parks & Recreation Canmission minutes. Mr, Kondrick stated the grand opening for both the cortmunity park and the plaza was very successful. It was exciting to see so many people turn out for the celebration. Mr, Saba stated he would like to see this carried on--some type of anniver- sary celebration every year, He thought it was really great to have so many people coming together. The theme, "Fridley, Coming Together". was really an appropriate theme. Mr. Kondrick stated maybe one thing the Parks & Recreation Comnission could do is form a project committee that would look into and work on ongoing programning for the plaza. Mr. Boardman suggested that maybe companies in Fridley would be interested in sponsoring different weeks in the plaza and supply programming� exhibits, entertainment, etc. The Comnission members agreed that these were excellent ideas for the use of the new corm,wnity plaza. PLANNING CaMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 19 1983 PAGE 4 Mr. Saba stated the Chamber of Commerce might also be interested in setting up special events. He stated they have so much opportunity with the plaza. It is a good focal point for the city and a good way to show the people that city government cares. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously. 5. RECEIVE OCTOBER 6 1983 HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MIPIUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to receive the Oct. 6, 1983, Human Resources Co�nission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously. 6. RECEIVE OCTOBER 11. 1983. APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Saba, to receive the Oct. 11, 1983, p�peafs Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously. 7. RECEIVE OCTOBER 11, 1983, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Nielson, to receive the Oct. 11, 1983, Corrrnunity Development Cortmission minutes. Mr. Oquist stated the Canmunity Development Cortmission had their final dis- cussion on the "truth-in-housing" program. Dr. Vos had told about the problem his church had with "truth-in-housing" in Minneapolis, and his church board is now involved in litigation. He stated it was the concensus of the Comnission that for what a person got out of "truth-in-housing" it probably wasn't worth it. Ms. Gabel stated she had also had a bad experience with "truth-in-housing" in Minneapolis. Mr. Boardman stated that maybe information checklist forms should be made available for people who are buying a home, especiaily first-time home buyers. It would be an awareness kind of thing and it could be sanethin9 the Community Development Commission might want to recanmend to the Anoka County Board of Realtors. Mr. Oquist agreed that was a good idea. It could be similar to the "truth-in- housing" checklist but in a modified form for home buyers. He stated it appears that realtors are becoming more aware of these kinds of things; for PLANNIN6 COhT1I55I0N MEETING OCTOBER 19 1983 PAGE 5 example, Edina Realty does have a checklist that the seller has to fill out. He stated he would take this input back to the Cormnunity Development Commission for discussion at their next meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye. Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Oquist declared the Oct. 19, 1983. Planning Comnission meeting adjourned at 8:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted, � �-rL� Lyrin SaDa Recording Secretary � ;. . CiTY OF FRIDLSY� � SUBJECT saa� uNweASirr wve. Ne. FqIDLEY, MN. ag09E W'121 57�-�� SPECIAL USE PERMIT SP d 0 3� � ��G�� X ADDRESS "f C d �i `e ` fp-� �' T�G'�,f Ce DATE � L/� 3 PLANNIN6 COM�IISSION: APPROYED _DISAPPROYED DATE N0. UTY C011NCIL STIPULATIONS: x' NAME � x STREET OCATION Of APPROVED DISAPPROYED DATE NO LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF;PROPERTY. L� �' B /k � a o RECEIPT NO % i i) �+ «e k Tp. � a�. �/ t/ PRESENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION EXISTING USE OF PROPERTY ACREAGE OF PRO�ERTY (3� 7 0�RIBE BRIEFLY THE gPECIAL USE APPLIED FOR: Secot,d A,�.SsO.-�. Rl�w _ .. _ Section of the Code: Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split variance or special use permit on the suDject site or part of it? _�es no. What was requested and when? The undersigned understands that: (a) A list of all residents and owners of proDer- ty within 200 feet Wi11 be attached to this application. .. • • - � � �. '(b) This appiication must be signed Dy all owners of the propeptY+ or an expianation jiven why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any Jefect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to . list the names and addresss of all residents and property owenrs of prop�rty in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and aYtached, showing the following: 1. North direction. 2. Location of the proposed structure on the tot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and fron and side setbacks. 4. Street names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 350 feet). The undersigned hereby declares that all tfiis application are true and X DATE /�J � ia -rf3 x5I T C the facts and respresentations stated in % �o,Q,q� � XTELEPHONE NO .�%T y7�� MAILING LIST SP �83-11, Carl A. Asproth Second Accessory Building Carl A. Asproth ; 470 Rice Creek Terrace N.E Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Bradly Harrison 434 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harold Olsrud 435 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Chapin 440 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. / Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Mc Mahon 451 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Carlton Holerud 458 Rice Creeek Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Fink �65 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Virgil Herrick 477 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. ' Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Norman Eitrheim �— 482 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55A32 Mr. & Mrs. Duane Prairie 489 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Fred Sarette ,�d94 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. � Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. D. G. Zawislak 49� Rice Creek Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 [.' Planning:Commission October 25, 1983 Mr. & Mrs. Gerard Miles 506 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Brennen 6716 7th Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Stanley Hill 6726 7th Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. James Hagen 673b 7th Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. David Richter 6746 7th Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Joseph Mikre 6756 7th Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Fredric Bischke 6766 7th Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. William Knoff 6776 7th Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 r�rr _ ��c oe. ,. , 4 �; � � y d ,9i� �101�411��d 7 AVE. N.E. �, � °; - s9 36/ 363 � AVE. N. 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S�bs', S�9S , — CE - �—�� sy8 � s6 s6 Y s�4 1.;� j , . �. � � ��c4a p�f E IIC��tEEK N��-= fER; PL �3-�yaV- � 1� : P� 4 � i �s.,r,.i �! 6 Ai1s iszr s3r 6/S - Mrssissi� CITY OF FRIDLEY ENERGY COMMISSION . MEETING "� SEETEMBER 27, 1983 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Saba called the September 27, 1983, Energy Commission meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. ROLL CALL: Mernbers Present: Dean Saba, Bruce Bondow, Brad Sielaff Members Absent: Bill Jordan Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner APPROUAL OF AU6U5T 2, 1983, ENERGY COPIMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded 6y Mr. Sielaff, to approve the August 2, 1983, n� ergy Cortmission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Saba declared the motion carried unanimonsly. 1. CONTINUED: EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS a. Minnesota Energy Conservation Service (MECS) Promotion Grant Mr. Deblon stated so far the following thirags have been done regarding the _ MECS promotion grant: 1. An artic7e was put in the two city newsletters promoting MECS Home Energy Audits. 2. Promotion materials in the form of doorknob hangers have been printed and distributed throughout the City by Boy Scout Troop #52. 3, Continuous promotion on cfiaracter generaYor on Channel 30. Mr. Deblon stated he hoped to get a press release in the Fridley Sun. He would also like to see a copy of the Mayor's letter promoting the MECS audits be published in the Fridley Sun. Mr. Saba suggested the sample draft of the Mayor's letter would be an excellent hand-out to have available at the Plaza/Community Park grand opening on Fri./Sat., Oct. 7-8. He also suggested an article be put in the Community Section of the Minneapolis Star & Tribune. 0 ENERGY COMMISS20N MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27 1983 PAGE 2 Mr, Bondow recommended that Staff try to reserve the Comr�nity Bill- board for the promotion. Mr. Deblon stated he has gotten some feedback that the MECS audits are only talking about naturai gas, and what about the people who use oil? Mr. Saba and Mr. Bondow recanmended the sample Mayor's letter be personalized a little more to the citizens and be amended to reflect that similar examples apply to oil, MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to amend the Mayor's eTtter, recomnending the Mayor sign it and issue it for publication in the Fridley Sun newspaper and to be used as a hand-out at the grand opening on Oct. 7-8, 1983. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Saba declared the motion carried unanimously, b. Programs for Cable TY Mr. 5aba explained to Mr. Sielaff that the Energy Conmission was try�,ng to build an energy video tape library to be �hown on cable TV. Mr. Saba stated he had checked into obtaining the "Wood Heiting Safety" slide/tape from the Minnesota Dept, of Energy, Planning & Development (DEPD), The DEPD gave that whole series of tapes to area VOTEC schools and libraries and they no longer have control over it. Mr, Deblon stated that if someone could check out a copy of the "Wood Heating Safety" slide/tape, he would see that a video tape was made from it. Mr. Bondow volunteered to obtain a copy of the "Wood Heating Safety" slide/tape. Mr. Deblon stated he had called the South Dakota Office of Energy Policy to see if it was possible to get a copy of a new 16mm, 30-minute film entitled, "How to Keep the Heat in Your House". He stated he was informed that the film was not availab7e to out of state people. Mr. Saba stated that 3M had a trade show at the Radisson last month. He had attended_this show. He stated 3M has an excellent video slide presentation on 3M conservation products. He felt 3M has done a tremendous job in keeping up with material for the "do-it-yourselfer". He asked the Comnission members if it would be beneficial to obtain a copy of this video. The Commission members were in agreement to obtain 3M's video slide presentation. ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27 1983 PAGE 3 Mr. Saba stated that in the latest Mechanix Illustrated,_,there was an article on CO monitors and the chemical badges the Commission has been talking about for a pnssible CO awareness program and an article on attic bypass. He stated some of this informatio� was extremely valuable and this is the kind of information that should be put in the city news- letter to help educate the public. Mr. Deblon suggested that a commission member sumnarize this information, and he would see tfiat it was put into the city newsletter. Mr. Saba stated the following tapes were either being shown on cable TV or would soon be available for showing: 1. The Forgotten Fundamentals of the Energy Crisis 2. Saving Energy at Home 3. Warm Window Seminar 4. Super Insulation Seminar (needs editing) 5. Wood Heating Seminar 2F CONTINUED: ENERGY ACCOUNTING UPDATE No further information 3. COMPUTERIZED COMMUNITY ENERGY PLANNING PROCESS: Mr. Deblon stated the Commission members had received a copy of a letter from Janice Thompson, Land Use Planner for tfie Minnesota Department of Energy and Economic Development, along witfi tfie input form for computer- ized comnunity energy planning process. He stated he would invite Ms. Thompson to the next Canmission meeting to explain this. Mr. Bondow asked that Staff ask Ms. Thompson to bring along the model zoning ordinances for wind, solar access, and earth sheltered buildings, if those ordinances are nav available. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting ayer Chairperson Saba declared tfie Sept. 27, 1983, Energy Comnission meeting adjourned at 9:03 p.m. Respectfully submitted, t� -C Q x-,ti� Lynne Sa a Recording Secretary CITY OF FRIDLEY HOUSING & RE�EVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING OCTOBER 13, ]983 tALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Corrmers cailed the October 13, 7983, Housing & Redevelopment Authority meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Larry Comners, Elmars Prieditis, Caroiyn Svendsen, Walter Rasmussen Members Absent: Duane Prairie Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Sid Inman, Finance Director Dave Newman, City Attorney Jim Casserly, 0'Connor & Hannan Jim 0'Meara, 0'Connor & Hannan Mark Haggerty, 6401 University Ave. N,E. Charles Silverman, 300 First Ave. N., Mpls. Louis J. Lanqer, 54 E. Ptarshland Ave., West St. Paul 5tuart Weitzman, 300 first Ave. N., Mpls. APPROYAL OF SEPTEMBER 8 1983 NOUSTWG & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES: MOTION BY MR.PRIEDITIS� SECONDED BY MS. SVENASEN� TO APPROVE TNE SEPT. 8� Z9B3� HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTXORZTY MINUTES AS WRITTEN. UPON A VOICE VOTE,ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRZED UNANIMOUSLY, 1. CONSIDERA7ION OF FR4NK SHEAR ASSOCIATES PROJECT (Johnson Printinq & Packaging) Continued Item from Sept. 8, 1983, HRA Meeting) Mr, Boardman stated the Hf2A members had received the contract documents and a resolution document with their agenda materials. At the meeting, the HRA members had received modified documents, He stated Mr. Jim 0'Meara and Mr. Jim Casserly from 0'Connor & Hannan were at the meetinq to point out the modifications and explain the modifications. After a review of the modifications in the contract documents, Mr. Boardman stated he wo�]d like the HRA to approve Reso7ution No. HRA-16-7983 approving and authorizing the execution of a contract for private development with Frank Shear Associates. However, before the approval of that resolution, the HRA must hold a public hearing as outlined in Item #2 of that resolution. HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING OCTOBER 13 1983 PAGE 2 Mr. Comners asked if the City Council had approved the modified project area. Mr. Boardman stated the City Council did approve it, and this property is within the North Redevelopment Project Area. 2. PUBLIC HEARING ON DISPOSAL �f PROPERTY AT 40 - 77TH AVE. N.E. (Frank Shear ssociates Chairperson Commers declared the oublic hearinq open at 8:00 p.m, He stated the HRA was open to anv comments with res�ect to the pr000sed contract for private development between the HRA and the Citv of Fridley and Frank Shear Associates, a Minnesota General Partnership, Mr. Boardman stated he had no other canments at this time. The proposal was presented to the HRA at their last meeting. Mr. Corrmers asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to address the HRA with respect to this project. - Hearing no corrments or suggestions, Chairperson Commers declared the public hearing closed at 8:07 p.m, MOTION BY RASMUSSEN� SECONDED BY MS. SVENDSEN� TO APPROVE THE "CONTRACT FOR PRIVATE DEVEZAPMENS BY AND BETWEEN THE HOUSZNG & REDEVEIAPMENT AUTHORZTY IN AND FOR THE CITY OF FRIDLEY� MINNESOTA� AND FRANX SXEAR R5SOCIATES� A MZNmESOTA GENERAL PARTNERSXIP", UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMEHS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANZMODSLY. Mr. Boardman stated he would also need a motion approving Resolution No. HRA-16-1983. MOTION BY MR. PRIEDITZS� SECONDED BY MR. RASMUSSEN� TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NO. NRA-16-1983� "A RESOLUTION APPROVING AND AUTXORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT FOR PRZVATE DEVEIAPMENT WITX FRANK SHERR ASSOCIATES", UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAZRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. 0'Meara stated he had signature pages for the contract itself that had to be signed. Because the company wishes to get an early start on this project, they are contemplating closinq this entire transaction in the next few days. The way they wi11 do it, with the approval of the HRA, is to have all the documents done simultaneously. The development agreement will not be signed by the company and will not become a bindinq obligation 6.y the HRA until all the deeds both into and out of the Authority have been signed and delivered and because it does obligate the Authority to buy the property, So, they envision a simultaneous transaction in that regard. He stated thev were expect- ing the deeds to be available, but apparently the deeds have not yet been HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETIt�G, OCTOBER 13, 1983 PAGE 3 prepared. He stated he did have the signature paaes for the contract which require the signature of the chairman and the executive director. He believed the executive director would also be authorized under the terms of the reso7ution the HRA had adopted as an officer of the Authoritv to sign the deed of the property back to Frank 5hear Associates, and it doesn't neqate the necessity of the chairman becominq involved unless his involvement was desirable. Mr, Commers stated that Item #2 of the Resolution stated that "The Board herebv approves the Contract for Private Deve7opment..... and hereby authorizes the Chairman and Secretary of the Board to execute the same on behalf of the Authority..." He stated this sfiouid be amended to "the Chairman and the Executive Director" since the HRA does not have a desiqnated secretary of its corporation, MOTION BY MS. SVENDSEN, SECONDED BY MR. PRIEDZSIS� 20 AMEND ITEM $2 OF R£SOLUTZON ND. HRA-16-1983 BY DELETING "SECRETARY" AND IN5ERTING "EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR" FOR TNE PURPOSE OF EXECUTZNG THE DOCUMENTS, UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLBRED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Boardman stated the last action needed from the HRA was the authorization by the HRA to transfer $30,000 to a separate account when all documents are signed, sealed, and delivered. MOTSON BY MS, SVENASEN� SECONDED BY MR. PRSEDZTIS� TO AUTXORIZE TXF TRANSFER OF $30�000 21� A SEPARATE ACCOUNT AT FRZDLEY STATE BRNK TO BE HELD IN ACCORD- ANCE WZTH TXE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. UPON A VOICE VOT£, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE MTOZON CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 3. CONSIDERATION OF SKYWOOD MALL/MOTEL PROJECT: Mr, Boardman stated Mark Haggerty was at the meeting to explain what is qoina on with the Skywood Mall/Motel project. This project has been before the City Council. This area is also within the pro.iect area that was approved bv the City Council. Mr. Cormners asked about the time line with the two tax increment districts. Mr. Boardman stated he had included a timetable on the TIF plan for Frank Shear Associates and the Skywood Motel. Over the next month, they are plannina on putting toaether all the necessarv documents needed for the HRA's aoproval on Yov, 10. At the Nov, lOth meeting, with the approval of the documents, the documents wi71 then be sent to the school district and the Countv. There is a 30-day process where the documents would then be going to the Citv Council for a public hearinq. They .intend to have that public hearing on Dec. 19th. He stated this timetable falls well within the requirements of the State as far as the amount of time necessary to establish a tax increment financing plan NOUSIN6 E REDEVEIOPMENT .aUTHORITY MEETING, OCTOBER 13, 1983 PAGE 5 Mr. Haggerty stated that he had received positive feedback and a lot of encouragement from the Chamber of Comnerce. Mr. Comners asked if any assistance was being requested from the HRA. Mr. Haqgerty stated that right now tf�ey are not requesting any assistance from the HRA. The only thing that might cane up in the future would be some erosion control for the steep hill. There has been some discussion that since this would affect tf�e people on tfie hill, they might ask for some assistance. The HRA members aareed the D►'oject was a very good project for the City of fridlev. Mr, Hagaerty stated he was very excited about it. They have worked verv lona and very hard at gettinq this type of projecY going, but it wasn't unti] people saw what was happeninq in Center Citv, that this project really got under way. � Mr, Rasmussen stated Mr. Haggerty shouTd be commended for the work hP has done in gettina deve7opment coina in the City. Mr. Commers asked if there was any action needed on this proposal by the HRA? Mr. Boardman stated no formal action is needed at this time. Mr. Comners said that Mr. 8oardman should forward the HRA support of the project to the City Council. Mr. Inman stated he would also like to point out that Mr. Hagoerty had met with the residents in the area, and other than for the IDB, he would not have had to do that. 4. CONSIDERATION OF MODIFICATION TO RELOCATION PAYMENT FOR COMMUNITY CREDI7: Mr. Boardman stated that at the Sept. 8th meeting, the HRA had authorized a total of $18,360.54 in oayments to Community Credit. An additional E1.558,54 was added for relocation because they had received the consultant's report at the meeting. On Sept. 9, Mr, Boardman had discussed the HRA's action with Mr. Hurd, attornev for Comnunitv Credit. who indicated he was satisfied with the HRA action with the exception of the cost excluded from the re]ocation report bv Yon Klug & Associates in the amount of E854,34. Mr. Hurd felt the move notices of E214.34 and the new signaqe facia and canisters of $64� as sub- mitted as part of their cost documentation is clearly part of their relocation expenses allowed to the company under law. In further discussions with Mr. Hurd and Mr, Newman, thev reached an agreement for pavment of �214.34 for the move notices with no reimbursement for sign costs. He would request the HRA authorize this Dayment to Comnunity Credit. NOTION BY MR. RAS.YUSSEN� SECONDED BY XR. PRIEDITIS, TO RUTHORIZE A PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY CREDIT IN THE AMOUNT OF 5214.34 FOR THE NOVE NOTZCES. UPON A VOICE VOTS, ALL VOTING AYE, CSAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLAR£D THF MOTION CARRZED UNANIMOUSLY. HOUSING & REDEUELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING OCTOBER 13 1983 PAGE 6 5. CONSIDERATION OF GEORGE M. HANSON COMPANY AS HRA AUDITORS: Mr, Boardman stated the HRA had received a letter of understanding dated Aug. 23, 1983, for the authorization of George M. Hanson Company as auditor for the HRA for the yPar endina Dec. 31, 1983. The company is proposing that their services will be limited to 51,200 for the vear. MOTION BY MS. SVENDSEN� SECONDED BY MR, PRIEDITZS� TO APPROVE THE LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING DATED AUG, 23, 1983� AUTXORIZING GEORGE M. HANSON COMPANY AS HRA AUDITOR FOR TXE YEAR ENDING DEC. 31, Z983. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHRIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY. 6. INFORMATION ON lIONS CLUB: Mr. Boardman stated that at the last meetina, the HRA had asked Staff to contact the Lions Club to see if they were still interested in thP hardware building. He stated he did contact the lions Club, and they are still interested, They will try to sit down and discuss this before the end of October, so he hoped to have some information for the Nov. 10 HRA meeting. 7. DISCUSSION ON VON KLUG & ASSOCIATES CONTRACT: Mr, Boardman stated thev had a meeting with Von Klug & Associates that dav. Because of the late hour of the maeting, tfiey did not have time to put toqether a memo or resolution, Mr. Newman would explain what went on at that meeting, and if the HRA aareed with what is being oroposed, thev could make a motion approving it. Mr. Newman stated that, basically, the discussion with Von Klug & Associates centered around the additional work performed without first gettin4 authoriza- tion from the City. He wanted to emphasize to the HRA that at no time did the Staff have any dispute with the qualitv of the work performed bv Von Klug & Associates. They have been totally satisfied with Von Klug's work, and tfiere was no question about whether the hours submitted to the HRA were accurate, Obviously, there was no way of verifying those hours, but there was no doubt on the part of Staff that Yon Klug & Associates had put in those hours, and that they had performed a valuable service to the Citv of Fridley. Mr. Newman stated they are trying to resolve this matter without incurrinq an excessive amount of legal fees and staff time. So far, the HRA has paid $6,000 to Von Klug & Associates. The contract was for $9,000. In Von Klua's last letter to the HRA, they were requesting a total payment of $13,930. Since then, Von Klug & Associates has done some additional work on the Community Credit, some additional work on Dr. Ryan, and apparently there is more work with Dr. Ryan to finish evervthing up, Uon K7ug & Associates is requesting $2,070 for this additional work, so the total amount requested from Uon Kluq & Associates is $16,000. HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING, OCTOSER )3, 1983 PAGE 7 Mr. Newman stated the proposal is to pay the contract amount agreed upon ($9,000) plus $3,500 for a total payment of $12,500. The rationale behind this is the City first received notice from Von Kluv & Associates in March 1983. After that there was an additional billing of $2,480. It was dis- cussed with Yon Klug & Associates to split that amount in half ($1,240). In addition, there was the $2,070 for additional work since the last billing, which the City and the HRA clearly received notice of. The $1,240 plus the $2,070 totals 83,310. They are just adding $190 to make the $3,500. He stated Von Klug & Associates are in aqreement with the $12,500. MOTION BY MR. RASMUSSEN� SECONDED BY MS. SVENASEN, TO APPROVE THE PROPOSRL AS PRESENTED BY MR. NEWMAN FOR A SETTLEMENT IN FULL TO VON KLUG 6 ASSOCIATES OF $12,500 FOR ALL CLAIMS BY VON KLUG 6 ASSOCIRTES AND FOR ALL SERVICES RENDERED THROUGN DR. RYAN. UPON R VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THF. MOTION rnnRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 8. CHECK REGISTER: MOTIDN BY MR. PRIEDITIS� SECONDED BY MS. SVENASEN, TO RAPROVE THE CHECK REGZSTER DATED OCT, 7� 1983, ZN THE AMOUNT OF $257�217.78. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAZRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. ADJOURNMENT: Chairperson Comners declared the October 13, 1983, Housing & Redevelopment Authority meeting adjourned at 9:10 p,m. -Respectfully submitted, i � � ynrt Sa a Recording Secretary CITY OF FRIDLEY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 17, 1983 ' CAIL TO ORDER: Chairperson Kondrick calied the October 17, i983, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. ROLL CALL: Mer�bers Present: Dave Kondrick, Mary Schreiner, Jan Seeger, Dick Young, Dan Allen Members Absent: None Otf�ers Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director Jack Kirk, Recreation Supervisor Bob Schroer, 490 Rice Creek Blvd. (Fridley Horseshoe Club) Lloyd Henrikson, 2231- Coon Rapids( " " " Bi]7 Campbell, 7551 Alden Way ( " " "; Wayne Brandt, 6231 Sunrise Br. (Tiger Hockey Booster Club) Mike Pawlyshyn, President, HAF Gerald Bethel, 6760 Madison St. N.E. (HAF) Bob Scott, 7190 Riverview Ter.race (Northeast Chamber) Betty Scott, 7190 Riverview Terrace (Northeast Chamber) Richard Kinsman, 6601 Minnewashta Parkway, Excelsior (City Band) Beverly Kinsman, 6601 Minnewashta Parkway, Excelsior (City Band) {See attached list) ApPROYAL OF SEPTEMBER 26, 1983, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Ms. Seeger, to approve the Sept. 26, 1983, a�Ts & Recreation Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Kondrick declared the motion carried unanimously. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: MOTION by Ms. Schreiner, seconded by Ms. Seeger, to rearrange the agenda in the #�ol o ing order: New Business, Old Business, and Director's Report. Upon a voice vote, all voting dye, Chairperson Kondrick declared the motion carried u�animously. PARKS & RECREATION COhMIS5I0N MEETING, OCTOBER 17, 1983 PAGE 2 1. NEW BUSINESS: a. Tiger Hockey Booster Clu6 (Wayne Brandt) Mr, Brandt stated he was the past president of the Tiger Hockey Booster Club. When the Booster Club applied for a softball tournament last spring, the Commissian had made a motion at their April 18, 1983, meeting "to approve the softball tournament request by the Fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club for June 24-25, 1983, but to request that the Fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Ciub strongly consider the fridley Hockey Association as one of the benefactors of the funds that are raised, In doing this, future tournaments requested by the Fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club can be more enthusiastically supported by the Parks & Recreation Comonission; otherwise, approval of future softbal] tournaments may have to be reconsidered", Mr. Brandt stated the reason he was at the meeting was to explain the function of the fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club. He stated the Booster Club was formed seve� years ago to support and promote and help finance the Fridley high school hockey program without interfering in any way with administration of the program by school authorities. He stated that back when Fridley joined the Lake Conference, the Jr. Varsity (JV) was only getting 6-10 hours of indoor ice time while practically all the other schools in the Lake Conference had their own rinks. If the weather here was bad, Fridley's JV did not get any practice. So, the fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club was formed strict1y to try to finance some way so the Varsity and Jr, Varsity could get sane ice time to be able to compete with the other schools in the Conference, Mr. Srandt stated the Booster Club has nothing to do with the HAF, although there are members in the HAF who have joined the Booster Club knowing what it was for. He stated they are two different organizations and there has never been a problem in the past. He stated the HAF has its own fundraisers. The Booster Club's only fundraiser is the softball toura- ment field each year, They turn over approx. $2,300 every year to the high school to 6uy additional ice time. Mr. Brandt stated if they lose the chance of getting a softball tourna- ment each year, then the Booster Club will go down the drain and the kids will be back where they were seven years ago. Ms. Schreiner asked Dr. Boudreau to refresh the Commission's memory on why the Commission members took the action they did in the motion Mr. Brandt had read to the Commission. Dr, Boudreau stated he believed they were looking at the entire hockey program of Fridley and that if it was beneficial to support the Jr. Varsity, why wouldn't it be beneficial to support hockey in general throughout the canmunity: The tournament is run on city facilities at some cost to the City. He thought some of the rationale for the Commission's action was that if the Booster Club was using a city facility, if a profit was made, some of the funds should be reverted back to the local hockey program at a local tevel. PARKS & RECREATION COMMiS5I0N MEETING OCTOBER 17 1983 PA6E 3 Mr, erandt asked why the City doesn't put a fee on what it•is going to cost the Booster Club to use the lights and the field for the weekend tournament. Almost al] the other help is donated. Mr. Kondrick stated the Cortmission has been looking at that, the cost of the lighting and maintenance of the fields, and later in the meeting. they will be discussing a policy for the use of tfie new Community Park for softball tournaments. Dr. Boudreau stated it was not so much that the City wanted the money but that the Hockey Booster Ctub share some of the profits made fran the tournaments with the HAF. The HAF also has a hard time buying ice time. If the Booster Club is organized to boost hockey in the City of Fridley, why should it just be aimed at the high school level, and not all the way down through the younger ages? Mr. Brandt stated the Booster Ciub was set up entirely for the high school itself, because of the inadequacy of the high school's ice time versus the other schools' ice time. This situation is not going to improve when Fridley joins the North Suburban Conference, He stated that if they are going to consider this recommendation from the Commission. then they will have to review and rework their by-laws and get together with the HAF if that is what it will take in order to have their soft- ball tournament. Mr. Mike Pawlyshyn, President of the HAF, stated that a majority of the peop7e who have been for the Booster Club are parents of players who are going out and working for that tournament. There are very few people associated with the HAF unless they have kids in the Yarsity and Jr, Varsity. He stated he would like to see sane money, but it would be like the Booster Club asking for some of the HAF's profits from fundraisers. It was kind of unfair. Dr. Boudreau stated that if they are looking at the betterment of hockey in the City of Fridley to compete at any level, and they are under the belief that betterment comes from starting early, why not support the whole hockey program? Mr. Brandt agreed that Dr, Boudreau was right. It was a decision the Booster Club would have to make. He stated he was willing to get the Booster Ciub Board and the NAF Board together to talk this over. Mr. Kondrick stated the Commission members certainly applauded the efforts of the Booster Club, but they hoped the Booster Club members would understand where the Cormnission was coming fran on this. Dr, Boudreau stated that, as Mr. Kondrick had mentioned, one of the topics later in the meeting was a policy for the use of the Community Park. They are going to discuss the fees for using that faci7ity for softball tournaments for both profit and non-profit groups and the concession stand. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETIN6, OCTOBER 17 1983 PAGE 4 Those policies that are developed by the Commission and approved by the City Council will affect non-profit groups, such as the Fridley Tiger Hockey BooSter Club. Mr. Young stated he also thou9ht part of the rationale for the Commission's motion on April 18 was the fact that when the Booster Club runs a tourna- ment, it is for the exclusive benefit of approx. 30 kids. That is the problem the Comnission ran into when they had a private softball team wanting to run a softball tournament where it was for the exclusive benefit of those individuals. The City has allowed two of those in the past with the understanding that those private groups would return some funds back to the City for the general use of more people. Unfortunately, one group did not live up to that obligation and the other group decided not to run the tournament. Mr, Young stated that when the Jaycees run tournaments, something always comes back to the City. So, the rationale was that if the Booster Club would provide some funds from the tournament back to the HAf, they were in general benefitting the parks and recreation program in the community as well as a select group at the high school. He stated the Booster Club might want to take this into consideration in their discussions with the HAF. Mr. Kondrick stated they would provide a copy of the minutes to the Booster Club so they can find out what discussion occurred regarding the policy on the use of the Canmunity Park. Ms. Seeger stated that if the Booster Club felt strongly about fees, the Commission would certainly welcome their input. b, Hockey Association of Fridley (HAF) - Mike Pawlyshyn, President Mr. Pawlyshyn stated that Mr. Gerald Bethel was also at the meeting. Mr, Bethel is involved with the HAF's sponsors. Mr. Pawlyshyn stated the last couple of years they have been having a problem running their House program. The big reason is the increase in cost of ice time and also that their fundraisers have not been escalating. Mr. Young asked Mr, Pawlyshyn to explain the House program. Mr, Pawlyshyn stated the Nouse program is composed of the following teams: Pony, 2-3 graders; Squirt, 4-5 graders; Peewees, 6-7 graders. Last year they had a total of 7 teams in the House program and about 1G broomball teams. The NAF is the only hockey association in the district that handles broomball. Broomball is mainly played by the girls. , PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 17, 1983 PAGE 5 Mr. Pawlyshyn stated that as an association, every year they give out 2 hrs, of free ice time to the younger members in the House program. They include instructional coaches at this time. They also have H.I.P. (Hockey Instructional Program). They usually furnish 7 hrs. of ice. They charge $15 for that 7 hrs. of ice, and there are usually around 15-20 kids participating, so that is alwdys a loss every year for the H/1F. Mr. Pawlyshyn stated they also give out 3-4 hrs. of ice per team for practice, At 7 teams, that is 21 hrs. of ice time. So, ice time is basically what the HAF pays for, not counting the jerseys, mouthguards, etc. Mr. Pawlyshyn stated the HAF is the only association in Anoka Coanty that plays their games outside. last year Columbia Heights gave its hockey _ association $10,000 to run the program. Out of the $10,000, the Columbia Neights hockey association had to give 50 hrs. of ice back to the House program. The City of Columbia Heights also gave $6,500 for the traveling association. Mr: Pawlyshyn stated that last year they figured out what it was costing them for each player, and they found out they are losing $17 per player in the House program,including broomball. He stated the reason they were at the meeting was to ask the Cortmission if there was any way the City could provide mare ice hours or financial aid. Presently, they get 12 hrs. of ice for the play-offs for the House teams and 6 hrs. for broomball. Mr. Pawlyshyn stated they are spending around $34 per player. Initial registration is $20. The sponsors usually supply the jerseys, and the HAf furnishes the mouthguards. The goalee sticks are furnished by the HAF because they are so expensive. Pucks are also furnished. They try not to buy new equipment every year, but repair of equipment usually costs $1,400 per year. Mr. Kondrick asked what the City is providing to the HAF at this time. Dr. Boudreau stated the ice maintenance budget for 1984 stands at $46,000. It covers anything connected with the 10 hockey rinks or the 21 general areas. Mr, Pawlyshyn stated the HAF uses 6 of the 10 rinks. He stated that, basically, they are trying to get the kids more ice time so they don't have to take money out of the fundraisers and put it into the House program. He stated they keep records of how many people are in HAf and how many participate in tfie fundraisers. Last year out of 100% participants in the House program and broomball program, about 25% participated in the fundraisers. About 75% participation in the fundraisers comes from the traveling teams, and they do not receive any money from the HAF. The traveling teams get assessed by tf�e district for tfieir games, and they get assessed by the HAF for their ice practice. So, it can cost a kid on the traveling team anywhere fran $169-269 to play hockey. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 17 1983 PAGE 6 Ms. Scfireiner asked how many kids were involved in the House program and broomball program. - Mr. Pawlyshyn stated they had 119 on the traveling teams, and 281 in the House program and broomball program, for a total of 400. Mr. Young stated that since so few kids participate in the fundraisers, he suggested the following approach: The HAF could charge each child $40; however, if the child participates in the fundraisers, each child will receive back so much money based on what they do. He asked if that would serve as an incentive for the child to participate. Mr. Bethel stated they have done a simtilar thing for the traveling teams, because they do have fundraisers to help the boys help their parents with the assessment, It does work quite well, He stated one other option which is done by other leagues is to charge more registration and forget the fundraisers. Some other leagues have rates as high as $60-70, but there are many who cannot afford that high a registration fee. Mr. Betfiel stated they fee7 that by moving these younger boys to an indoor program, it will increase the numbers. Some parents complain � that the boys are too young to play outside. So, they are looking for some incentive to get the younger boys to participate, and they think one way of doing it is to offer indoor ice. Mr. Young stated that, assuming the HAf could get more ice time, was there ice time available? Mr. Pawlyshyn stated ice is hard to get; however, if they know in advance, they can probably get the extra hours. Lynn Fischer, who buys tfie ice for them, would make a big effort to get those hours for the HAf. Dr. Boudreau stated that right now the City is committed to 1S hrs. of indoor ice time for play-offs for the HAF. They are also comnitted to pay the officials: Broomball (season games) - 1 official at $6/game Broomball (play-off games) - 2 officials at $12/game House league (season games) - 1 official at $5/game Squirt - 1 official at $5/game Peewee - 1 official at $7/game When the two Fridley teams were playing combined with Columbia Heights, the City of Fridley was cortmitted to two officials for Squirt and Peewee. Squirt - $10 Peewee - $15 Dr, Boudreau stated the City also pays for the play-off officials for house hockey - 2 officials at $6/game. In return the City Council has established a participation fee of $2/child registered with the HAF. That money is reimbursed to the City. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OC706ER 17, 1983 PAGE 7 Dr. Boudreau stated, as he understood it, Mr. Pawlyshyn is•requesting that the City purchase more than 18 hrs of indoor ice time. Also, he is requesting, if possible, that the City supplement the HAF somehow for the $17/piayer that they are losing. Mr. Young stated when he heard tbe amount of money being paid out for officials and, out of the $46,000 for ice maintenance, at least half probably goes for the hockey rink maintenance, he felt when a parent gets their child involved in the hockey program, they know it is going to be expensive in comparison to some of the other sports. He felt parents should be expected to pay higher fees than they are currently paying, The City is providing the officials and doing basically the same kinds of things for the HAF as they do for the other sports programs. He did not think the City of Fridley had the money to help the hockey program any mare than that. Mr, Young stated he saw hockey as an outdoor sport. He would encourage the HAF to look at what he had suggested and possibly charge $40/child and if that child participates in a fundraiser, then sane of the money would be reimbursed. Ms. Schreiner stated she could not even consider this when she thought of the situation with the Northeast Chamber Ensemble and the Fridley City Band, who are later on the agenda, and whose funding has been cut down to nothing in two years time. She did not think it was right and did not see how they could continue to fund these types of things when groups like the N.E, Chamber and the City Band are caning to the Cortenission and asking how much is being spent on the athletic programs and nothing for nther enrichments in the program. Dr, Boudreau stated Mr. Kirk had suggested the following to help resolve this request: 1, For the next meeting, Staff look at and canpare what the City allocates for other youth sports and the total doliar expendi- tures, and the expenditure per participant. 2. Staff iook at what other area communities provide for their youth hockey programs. Dr. Boudreau stated he and Mr. Kirk will prepare this information for the Commission's consideration for the next meeting. This information will be mailed out early so the Commission members can review it before the meeting. He would invite Mr, Pawlyshyn back to the next meeting for this discussion, Mr, Kondrick thanked both Mr. Pawiyshyn and Mr. Bethel for caning to the meeting. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 17 1983 PAGE 8 c. Horseshoe Club Mr. Schroer introduced two members of their 5teering Carnnittee, Bill Campbell, present President of the Fridley Horseshoe Club, and Lloyd Henrikson, Director of the State and National Horseshoe Assoc. Mr. 5chroer stated they are at the meeting to get the Comnission's feel- ings about the Horseshoe Club trying to secure an indoor horseshoe pitching facility that has been made available. This facility is curre�tly in existence in the State of Minnesota. He stated fie has been in contact with the Anoka County Parks & Recreation and Dr. Boudreau and has talked to the County. He stated the County wants the club to proceed on a very limited basis at this time. Mr. Schroer showed the Commission members some pictures of the facility. Mr. 5chroer stated Mr. Nenrikson would give the Commission a little back- ground on the sport. Mr. Henrikson stated the Fridley Horseshoe Club has 114 members, not all 4rom Fridley. He stated horseshoe is a fun game that everyone can play. Being an officer for the State Association for six years, they feel horse- shoe is coming back strong and it brings in a lot of people and business to any community where there is a good-sized tournament. In 1981, they held their world tournament in the small town of Genola , Minnesota. According to the Bureau from the State of Minnesota, $1 Z million of business was brought into that area. They had 1,211 players over a 10-day period. It was the largest world tournament ever held since horseshoe began. Mr. Henrickson stated that if tfiey had an indoor area, they would have horseshoe the year around. This also gives the young people another sport to take up. He stated they have their etiquette on the court. The first thing they teach is sportsmanship which a lot of other sports do not teach. Ms. Seeger asked what the ratio was of inen to women. Mr. Henrikson stated it is about 12 to 1 right now, but it was 24 to 1. Mr. Schroer stated the indoor horseshoe facility would be a year-around faci7ity, plus there are some outdoor facilities which the City does pro- vide for them right now. The facility is called the Primesburger Arena in Genola � Minnesota. It is going to be sold, and the Fridley Horseshoe Club has inquired about it. They have contacted the County to see if some land might be available and there might be some available land. With the City and County working together, it could be purchased and moved down here for substantially less than it would cost to construct a new facility. It was his understanding it would be a county-owned building similar to the ice arena and would be maintained by the County. The facility is 80' x 22' with 19 courts, office facilities, and a meeting room upstairs. PARKS & RECREATION COhMISSION MEETING OC70BER 17 1983 PAGE 9 Mr. Henrikson stated this is the finest facility in the world right now for horseshoe. Mr. Kondrick stated he thought having an indoor horseshoe facility in the City would be a great addition to the parks program, MOTION by Ms. Schreiner, seconded by Ms. Seeger, that the Parks & eT� creation Canmission has heard the proposal from the Fridley Horseshoe Club about the new indoor horseshoe facility, The Commission feels it would be a great addition to the City of Fridley and wouid recortpnend that City Staff work witli Anoka County and the Fridley Horseshoe Club regarding the facility. Mr. Henrikson stated he and his wife are publicity directors for horse- shoe for the whole state of Minnesota. They hold clinics and organize new leagues a11 over the state. They do a 7ot of promotiona7-type work. They feel this year alone they have brought 300 new players to the sport. They also give instructional clinics. Mr. Campbell stated that until now, they have had just officers, but they are now going to form a board of directors. They want to get more people involved, and when they do this, they are going to develop other programs, one of which will be instruction, Mr. Schroer stated Joe Frank, one of the Horseshoe Club members, has been working with the high school students, and a lot of i.nterest has been shown in the sport. Ms. Seeger stated she liked the idea that it included every age group. U Chairperson Kondrick de Mr. Kondrick thanked Mr. Schroer, Mr. Campbell, and Mr, Henrikson for coming to the meeting. d. Northeast Chamber Orchestra and Fridley City Band Mr. Bob Scott stated he was speaking for the Northeast Chamber. He stated that last year when they attended the Commission meeting. they were very impressed with the suggestions made by the Correnission members, and because of it. t6e Chamber has instituted a number of changes. They are now asking their members to give a donation. They have set an average of $30, knowing some cannot give that much, but encouraging sane to give more. They have begun a campaign to raise funds outside the group. Mr, Scott stated their chagrin in being turned down for funding is that the present Parks & Recreation Commission seems to support athletics and sports, period. They think that is too bad, because there have been other aspects of recreation in Fridley for a number of years. 7hey do think PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 17, 1983 ___ PAGE 10 some support from the City ought to be forthcoming to have.a balanced program in order to show that the City is interested in something other than softball and hockey. He was impressed with the people from the Fridley Horseshoe Club, He liked to see a variety of athletics caning in where more people of a wider age group can participate. Mr, Scott stated that the Canmission had made the point that when people participate in other activities, they pay a fee that helps support the umpires and other direct expenses. On the other hand, the City makes available ball parks to play in, maintenance of the parks. electricity for lighting, and a great deal of administrative overhead. 50, compared to those costs, they feel the Northeast Chamber is asking for an extremely modest sum. They would like the Commission to reconsider their minor request of $700, which is probably less than 1/10 of the Parks & Recreation total budget. Mr. Scott stated the Northeast Chamber has played in a number of engage- ments in and out of the City of Fridley. Wherever they go, they represent the City of Fridley. He stated he was very impressed with the new plaza. There is a nice area in the plaza for concerts, and they would like to play some concerts there. Mr. Kondrick asked how many performances the Northeast Chamber puts on in the City of Fridley each year. Ms. Betty Scott stated there are about 4-6 concerts a year in Fridley. 61s. Seeg�r asked how many total performances were held in and out of Fridlev. Mr. Scott stated there were 4-8 total performances. Mr. Young stated that because he had played in a high school band for many years, he knew there were filing cabinets full of music. Knowing the fridley schools did have an orchestra program, had any endeavor been made to work with Community Education to share music with the Fridley schools? Ms. Scott stated they have not. She would point could not play the type of music the They play harder music than what the high was a 9ood sugqestion and she would check there would be anytfiing their group could pro9ram really never went that far. guess the orchestra at this Northeast Chamber plays. school plays. She stated it into it, but she did not think use because the school orchestra Mr, Young stated that other cham6er ensemhles in the Twin Cities area must be facing this same problem. Mavbe the Northeast Chamber should look at organizing a metropolitan library of music for chamber ensembles that could be used on a shared basis. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 17 1983 PAGE 11 Ms. Scott stated they have traded music with the St. Anthony orchestra; however, there is a difference in groups. They call themselves a chamber orchestra, and there is a difference between a symphony and an ensemble in the kind of music tfiey play. Mr. Scott stated they will check with the Fridley schools. He stated sane areas do have combined music libraries. The difficulty is there should be some responsibie central agency to do it and one doesn't exist right now. Without an agency, people are a little hesitant to let go of a good score because scores are expensive. Ms. Schreiner stated she was impressed with Mr. Scott's presentation. She felt the Northeast Chamber had made a lot of effort to try to get them- selves into position, and they did take the Comnission's recortrnendations. She felt very badly about what the Commission had done in the past, but they had had some philosophical questions about it, She really felt the Casmission should reconsider its position on this. She found it apa77ing to see what the City spends on ice maintenance and then turn down a request for $700. Dr. Bo�dreau referred to the Sept. 27, 198Z, Parks & Recreation Commission minutes, where a motion was made "to recortmend that for both the Northeast Chamber and the Fridley City Band, the City continue to underwrite the cost of the music and supplies ($600 - N.E, Chamber; $500 - City eand); but only to underwrite one-fourth (1/4) of the directors' salaries-- three months into the coming year which would allow them time to prepare for the phase-out of the directors' salaries". Dr. Boudreau stated they are now talking 1984, and the 1984 budget has been submitted to the City Council. In the 1984 budget, there is a cate- gory called "professional services". Was there a way where the City could contract for the services of the Northeast Chamber and the City Band on a professiona] services basis at, for examp7e, $700/concert for concerts held in Fridley? The City Band does perform six concerts now for the City of Fridley, and the Northeast Chamber apparently puts on 4-6 concerts in Fridley. Mr. Richard Kinsman stated he would like to give a little background on the City Band. It was formed in 1960 so they have been playing for 23 yrs. For those 23 yrs., they have played concerts in the sumner, one in the winter, a lot of dedications, several Aquatennial band concerts or parades. 7hey have always worn their Fridley jackets so Fridley benefits from what they do. Although the City has contributed to them, they like to think they have also g9ven the City something in return. 7heir budget has been around $1,500/yr. for nearly 23 years. Despite inflation, they felt there was no need to try to get more money. They have a good library, but it fs nice to expand a little each year. Their biggest expense is their director, and they really need a professional director. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEE7IN6 OCTOBER 17 1983 PAGE 12 Mr, Kinsman stated the City Band has exchanged music with the Fridley high school, so they feel they have done a lot to keep expenses down. Ne stated the idea of contracting or p7aying for a fee was a good idea; however, he did not think $100/concert was enough. Mr. Kinsman stated that several of their members are willing to pay a fee, but they cannot charge enough to pay the director's salary. He would suggest $200/concert for six concerts in the sumner and one in the winter, and they would also be available to do other things. He stated he felt the City Band needs $1,400-7,500 to pay their director arid buy additional music. They feel the band is a great asset to the City, and he thought it was great when a city band can play for an eveni such as the plaza/ cortmunity park grand opening on Oct, 7-8, Ms. Schreiner asked if the City Band has attempted any fundraising efforts such as the Northeast Chamber has done. A member of the City Band stated they have tried but have not had any luck. She stated that because the band has such a heavy sumner schedule, they are often rehearsing two nights a week for six weeks for the concerts in the park. This year they played nine concerts--six summer concerts, one park dedication, one winter concert, and one concert at Village Green. So, even though they love to play, there is a great demand on their time. Because the band is able to play outside, it is a little different than the Northeast Chamber. Mr. Kinsman stated that if the band was to not survive, it would be extremely difficult to get it started again when times were better financially. Ms. Seeger stated she has always felt the Northeast Chamber and the City Band contributed greatly to the canmunity, and it was not an area that should be cut. Mr. Kondrick stated it was great that the groups were able to perform in other communities, in nursing homes, etc., and it must give them great personal satisfaction and joy, but he was particularly concerned about the number of concerts that are played in Fridley for the people in Fridley. He would suggest that the City contract for those concerts that are in Fridley, and then have a maximum of "x" amount of concerts per year. Dr. Boudreau suggested the City contract with the Northeast Chamber for five concerts a year within the City of Fridley at $150/concert with an upper limit of $750; and contract with the Fridley City Band for six concerts in the park at $150/concert with the possibility af three addi- tional concerts with an upper limit of $1,350. Mr. Kinsman stated that was satisfactory to him. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETIN6, OCTOBER 17, 1983 PAGE i3 Mr. Young stated he would vote "no" to this proposal, because as he had stated last year, when the City of Fridley cannot see fit to feed the people of Fridley or meet their social needs, he did not see where they should provide for their cultural benefits. For example, last month 50 famiiies in Fridley were provided food, Frid7ey has the highest median income in all of Anoka County. There are 175 families in Fridley who make over $75,OD0/yr., which brings the median income up. There is also more poverty in the City of Fridley than in all of Anoka County. Being involved in a group for seven years that has fed people, provided them with clothing, trying to meet their needs, when the City of Fridiey cannot provide $1,500 to help feed people, he could not see feeding them through their ears. He stated he played in a band for nine years from grade school, jr, high, high school, and college, so he was not against music. He hoped the members of the Northeast Chamber and the City Band could understand his feelings and that he could not see paying for music when the City won't feed people. Mr, Scott stated he would be willing to take nothing for the Northeast Chamber if the City would give that $700 to feed the peop7e of Fridley. ti He asked if Mr, Young makes the same speech when people come in asking for money for hockey or for horseshoes or for softball. Mr. Young stated they have to understand that the people paying hockey are also paying more than $30/yr, to participate in the program. He stated he also took exception to Mr. Scott's canment that the Parks & Recreation Commission was totally interested in athletics. If Mr. Scott was to look at the fall activities brochure, sumner activities brochure, or any activities brochure put out by the Parks & Recreation Department, he would see that there was very littie in the way of athletics. Ten years ago, that was true. He believed that out of the 130+ activities being offered now, maybe 20-25 are athletic. All the rest are in the areas of handicrafts, cultura7 activities, etc., so the Parks & Recreation Depart- ment and the Parks & Recreation Commission are not interested totally in athletics. He stated that in answer to Mr. Scott's question, he would also vote "no" to more money for the HAf. Mr. Allen stated he respected what Mr. Young had to say. He also resented the implications and insinuations that the Commission is only trying to run an athletic program. He stated he does have great sympathy for both the Northeast Chamber and the City Band. He realized the dedication that went into being a member of either group. He felt the compromise suggested by Dr. Boudreau of $150/concert was more than fair and was more than he had expected, He stated he stil] wondered how much effort has really been made to raise money. He knew other groups are raising money--he saw it through his job and while being on this Comnission; and he was bewildered at the lack of being able to raise money for something that seems to be so tre- mendously important. Dr. Boudreau stated the philosophy of the Parks & Recreation Department has always been for a well-rounded recreation program that will run year- around, He thought that philosophy has been accepted by the Parks & Recreation Comnission as a base for their being, If they are to have a PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, 9CTOBER 17 1983 PAGE 14 well-rounded program, that means athletics and sports, cultural arts, hobbies, clubs, special events, etc.. and that is what they are trying to get their program geared toward. He stated the Parks & Recreation Department staff and himself as director are directly concerned about the wide gamut of recreational activities available within the City. That was the reason for the compromise he had suggested with the full understanding that it is up to the Commission to make the recommendation. Mr. Kondrick stated he also resented it when people say all the City's money goes into athletic-type activities. The City does try to offer a we11-rounded program. Mr. Scott stated he did want to see the Parks & Recreation Department's budget and the specifics on it. He did not doubt they had a wide spectrum of recreation, but he would still like to see where the dollars are going. � He stated the City's compromise was going to work much better for the City Band than it was for the Northeast Chamber, because they are two different kinds of organizations. Dr. Boudreau stated the city budget will be available to the public either at City Hall or the Anoka County library right after it is approved by the City Council. MOTION by Ms. Schreiner, seconded by Ms. Seeger, that the City of Fridley enter into an agreement with the Northeast Chamber Orchestra with an upper limit of 5 concerts in the City of Fridley for the 1984 year at $150/ concert; and with the Fridley City Band for 6 concerts in the park with an upper limit of 9 total concerts in the City of Fridley at $150/concert. Mr. Kondrick stated he would like to enter into the record a letter he had just received from Agnes Wolf, member of the Northeast Chamber, requesting that the Commission reconsider and perhaps find some dollars for this organization. e. Winter Sport Fee Schedule Mr. Kirk gave the Gortmission members a list of the 1483-84 basketball and volleyball fees. He stated there were five fees to be approved. The increase in fees is approx. 10%. The lowest increase was $5 for the Couples fun Volleyball, because there is no cost for officials. The fee goes strictly for supervision and equipment. PARKS & RECREATION COhMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 17, 1983 PA6E 15 MOTION by Ms. Schreiner, seconded by Mr. Allen, to approve'the following T�$�$4 basketball and volleyball fees: Couples Fun Volleyba7l - $ 50 Women's Volleyball - 160 Men's Fun Basketball - 220 Men's Volleyball - 160 Men's Basketba]1 - 285 (open division) Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Kondrick declared the motion carried u�animously. 2. OLD BUSINESS: a. Playground at Rice Creek School Mr. Kandrick stated he had not gotten any information from the School Board, Ms. Sehreiner stated the property is being put on the market. From what she has been told, the City Council is talking about taking 3 acres of the property. However, if the property was to be deve]oped into houses or townhouses, the city only normally requires 10% in park fees or park land, Since the total property is only 9 acres, there would be a difference of only lZ acres the City would have to buy in order to facilitate it. She stated this was the status at this point as far as she knew. Mr. Kondrick stated the Commission should continue to monitor this situation. b. Policy - Use of Canmunity Park Dr. Boudreau stated he and Mr. Kirk had met with Mr. Allen, and Mr, Allen had prepared an excellent outline for review by the Coircnission. Mr. A71en stated there were mainly four different areas: 1. Priority of who gets to use the facility. 2. A rental charge 3. How often the tournaments should be held. 4. How the concessions are to be handled. Mr. Allen stated one consideration was to have deadlines and then stagger the types af groups applying; for example, non-profit groups in Fridley would have from Feb. 1- 15 to sign up for tournaments; all other Fridley groups would have from Feb. 15 - end of Feb.; any other group after March 1. This would give Fridley non-profit organizations and other groups in Fridley first chance. Within that framework, the groups that had priority for softball tournaments in the past would still have an inside track to get in. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 17 1983 PAGE lb Mr, Allen stated they were talking about two tournaments a month for the months of May - Aug., for a total of eight tournaments. He felt it was a good idea to limit the tournaments because this is something new, t6e fields are relatively new, and they don't know what exactly is going to happen. This would also give residents an opportunity to play on the fields two weekends a month, It doesn't help the City's image to have the fields booked every weekend. The two extra weekends would also be good back-ups for rained-out tournaments. Mr, Allen stated that as far as the concessions, they are leaning toward leasing the operation out and having a professional do the job. They are planning on having the concessions open during the week for other activities so they would like to have a professional running it. On week- ends when groups are having tournaments, they would receive a percentage of the profits. This would not include the beer, which is probably the biggest moneymaker. The groups would get the permit and do that themselves. Mr, Allen stated that as far as what to charge for tournaments, they were thinking about $1,000 as a possible figure for• a weekend tournament. They would charge $500 for a non-profit organization. Mr. Kirk suggested the possibility of putting on top of the rental fee an additiona9 $150 that would automatically go back into the youth program or parks & recreation fund, Then there wouldn't be the problem like the situation with the Fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club. When it is already built into the fee system, then every group would be treated equally. Mr. Allen stated that maybe initially the extra money could be earmarked to go back into the fields until the fields are the way they want them, Ms, Seeger stated she really liked Mr. Kirk's suggestion. It balances out and everyone gets treated the same. Why should profit-making groups make a large profit at the City's expense? Dr. Boudreau stated that since Coon Rapids is going through this same thing, he would like to discuss this with their parks department and comnission to see what things they have come up with and what fees they are talking about. He will bring this information back to the Commission, and the Commission can take some action at the next meeting. c. Policy Ice Location - Dick Young Mr. Young stated he has not yet finished the drafted policy. Item was continued until the next meeting. , 3. DIRECTOR'S REPORT: a. Park/Plaza Grand Opening - Oct. 7-8, 1983 Dr. Boudreau stated that most of the commissioners were at the grand opening on Sat., Oct. 8. He stated the grand opening was well attended. PARKS & RECREATION COMMI55ION MEETIN6 OCTOSER 17, 1983 PAGE 17 Dr. Boudreau stated something like this reaiiy makes their job special and gratifying. He thanked the Cortmission members for helping put the total package to9ether and for making Fridley a litt7e better place in which to li4e. � Mr. Young stated that in the 13 years he has lived in Frid7ey, this is the first time fridley has done anything like this. He hoped this type of thing would continue in the future. It was neat to see people wherever you went. He stated it was a great day, and he would like to comnend City Staff for the fine job they did. Mr. Allep stated he thought it was an incredible task to get a complex like the Community P.ark and not have it cost the city any money. The complex was well thought-out and well designed. b. Legal Council Opinion re Hockey Rink Helmet Rule Dr. Boudreau stated the Comnission members had received a copy of the memo from Mr. Newman recommending against the adoption of a hockey rink helmet rule because of the difficulty of enforcement and city liability. MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Allen, to receive the letter dated Oct. 6, 1983, from Dave Newman, Assistant City Attorney, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Kondrick declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Young stated that after reading Mr.Newman's memo, he agreed it was a not a rule or regulation the City could institute, but he thought they.should consider putting up a sign recommending that helmets be worn at all times on or near the hockey rinks. MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Ms. Seeger, that in reviewing the Asst. City Attorney's legal opinion that the City not haue a set policy requiring helmets at city rinks, the Parks & Recreation Commission recommends that signs be posted at the rinks strongly recommending the use of helmets on or by the hockey rinks at all times. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Kondrick declared the motion carried unanimously. c. Springbrook Nature Center Anniversary Program Dr. Boudreau stated that Sprin9brook Nature Center had an anniversary program in conjunction with the plaza/community park grand opening. It was very successful. Mayor Nee received a piaque from the Springbrook Nature Center Foundation listing all the contributors to the program. The plaque will be on display at the Nature Center in a place of honor. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 17 L1983 PAGE 18 ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Allen, seconded by Ms. Seeger, to voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Kondrick Parks & Recreation Comnission meeting adjourned Respectfully subm'tted, c , Lynn Saba Recording Secretary adjourn the meeting. Upon a declared the October 17, 1983, at 11:�0 p.m. O�-!�°� � � `��.e. �.� X ��Q c,s�c,E� �,�� z� �C t�� , � ��-�'�-- � �� .�r-�t�--� �� _ _ �, ..,;, Attachment Q7 � . � �, �y�' 3 � �� ; �. ;� � .-, �u �, 0 � � � ��1��.c� /��/L4/.'CIq`�(}l•`'�`*( ///S11J4/I V , ��z� � r �,� GIJ, � ' s'�-rJ , ��7 r j L!� i.t� ��. uv U�5 � � ��..ci // !!�-�ca� ' � l.'�,rv.� ✓ ` C""^ ;U- � ,�-� [�..� : �.�.. Q - -, �; ` c� 7��f � �' � Q��t� .� � �; , ,, �� r � ��. .�w�,.. � U�t�. 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Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Nielson declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. CHAPTER 109 ENTITLED "AIR QUALITY": Mr. Deblon stated the Commission members had received a copy of the new Chapter 109 entitled "Air Quality". This ordinance would repeal the old Chapter 109 entitled "Air Quality and Solid Waste" in its entirety. Mr. Peterson asked why so many sections were deleted in the new ordinance. Mr. Deblon stated that solid wastes are dealt with in Chapter 113, "Waste Disposal", so any references to solid wastes did not need to be repeated. He stated the City is in the process of reorganizing the City Code to reduce repetition, reduce the bulk, and use more understandable language. Mr. Peterson questioned why 109.02 (Burning) Permits Required was deleted as he felt it was directty reiated to air quality. Under 109.Oi, Air Quality 5tandards, Minnesota Statutes Section 471.62 (Ref. 458) and Minnesota Statutes 1967, Section 116.07, were referenced. He stated he would like to review both those sections before approving the new Chapter 109. Mr, Peterson stated another question he had was whether Staff felt that M.S. 471.62 was adequate to cover the air quality standards for the City of Fridley. or if maybe the City should be a little more stringent than the state standards. Can the City be more stringent than the state in this area? ENVIROtJMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 18 L1983 PAGE 2 Mr. Wellan stated things may change in the future, and the City may want that flexibility. There might be certain types of industry in the City where the City might want to be a little more restrictive than the State in terms of air quality. Mr. Peterson stated there is no "teeth" in the City's ordinance, because it just refers to the State Statute5. The state Statutes are more general, because they encompass the whole state. He felt the City shou7d have the option of being more restrictive, because air quality was very important to him as a resident of Fridley. Mr. Peterson stated he had three separate concerns: (1) He would like the Comnission members to review M.S. 1967, Section 116.07, M.S. Section 471.62, and Chapter 113 on Waste Disposal for the next meeting; (2) How does the City handle any type of sQecial burning situation? There was no way of controlling it in this new Chapter 109 unless it is referred to in another chapter of the City Code; (3) Can the City be more stringent with their air quality standards than the state? If so, maybe the Comnission should be looking at this in the City of Fridley. MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Wellan, to continue discussion on new C apter 109, Air Quality, until the next meeting in order for the Commission members to review Chapter 113, M.S. 116.07, and M.S. 471.62. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Nielson declared the motion carried unanimously. 2. COtJTINUED: COMPOSTING DISCUSSION Mr. Deblon stated that at their last meeting, Mark Huddleston from the MPCA, was the guest speaker and he had given the Corrmission members a lot of information on composting. Mr. Peterson stated he felt that most of the Commission members were in agreement with the concept of composting and recycling efforts, and, if they want to continue in this direction, he thought their next step should probably be to start the education process, possibly doing a sample survey of the community to see if there is an interest in composting. They need a commit- ment from the City regarding the use of land and the use of city personnel and equipment from time to time for the composting process. Mr. Wellan stated he did not know why this type of project couldn't be done without city funds. Other than the education and kick-off, why not turn it over to private industry? The initial outlay of money would be for setting up the guidelines and getting the system set up. Would the City Council be opposed to that? It is being done in Minneapolis and other communities, He stated it would be good to get information from other cities throughout the United 5tates that are doing it. How can they get that kind of information? ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 18 1983 PA6E 3 Mr. Deblon stated he could probably get some information on cities throughout the United States that have had successful composting projects. Seattle, Washington, was one good example. He stated he would like to see more case studies on canposting. He thought Mr. Huddleston would probably have a lot of this information. Mr. Wellan stated he would like to see the City consider the allocation of funds for the next year's budget for solid waste reduction in the City of Fridley, primarily through educational programs. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Deblon to find out from Mark Huddleston if there were any state or federa] monies available for composting projects. Mr.Wellan stated Minneapolis has really broken the ice with recycling. It is the same goal as composting--reducing the solid waste that is going to the landfills. Mr. Deblon stated another possibility would be to work on expanding the curb-side recycling program that is going on now in a few selected areas in the city. I�TION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Wellan, to continue the composting discussion at the next meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Nielson declared the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Wellan, seconded by bir. Peterson, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Nielson declared the Oct. 18, 1983, Environmental Quality Comnission meeting adjourned at 9:00 p.m. Respectfully subi'tted, Lynn Saba Recording Secretary CITY OF FRIDLEY APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25, 1983 CALL' TO ORDER: Chairperson Gabel called the October 25, 1983, Appeals Commission meeting to order at 7:31 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present Members Absent: Pat Gabel, Jean Gerou, Jim Plemel Alex Barna, Donald Betzold Otfiers Present: Darrell Clark, City of Fridley Maureen Steinwall, 8043 - 5th St. N.E. Carl A. Steinwa7l, 8043 - 5tfi St, N.E. Donald Giersdorf, 1301 Mississippi St. N.E. APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 11 1983 APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to approve the Oct. 11, 1983, ppea s Corrmission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Gabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. REOUEST FOR A VARIANCE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER aviH. �rtequest dy Garl F. Steinwall, ey,�1n. 55432) OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE OAD N.E., FRIDLEY ers oa , . ., MOTION by Ms. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to open the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Gabel declared the public hearing open at 7:33 p.m. Chairperson Gabel read the Staff Report: ADMINIS7RATIVE STAFF REPQRT 7895 Ranchers Road N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.183, 4C, requires a rear yard setback of not less than twenty-five (25)feet. Public purpose served by this requirement is to provide adequate open areas around industrial structures for aesthetic and fire fighting purposes. APPEALS C011MI5SION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1983 PAGE 2 B. STATED HARDSHIP: "Existing loading dock is 75 feet from the rear property line." C. ADIdINISTRATIVE STAFF REYIEW: If the Board moves to approve this request. we recorivnend that: (1) There be no outside storage after construction. (2) That the petitioner review the existing landscaping and add some additional landscaping if necessary. (3) That the east wall of the enclosure be constructed to a one-hour fire rating since it is closer than 20 feet to the lot line. Mr. Clark stated he had an aerial photo which shows the open loading dock. The petitioner wants to enclose the loading dock so it will be out of the weather during the winter months. He stated Mr. Deblon has looked at the property and would like to work with the petitioner on sane additional � landscaping. Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Steinwall to explain his hardship as it was not very well defined in the staff report. Mr. Steinwall stated the loading dock slopes down to become loading height for the trucks. In the wintertime, water and ice form in the loading dock which keeps raising the trucks up and almost makes the loading dock unusable. Trucks also get stuck. So, the problem is with the loading dock and they are proposing to cover the whole area and put in a loading dock door to keep out the snow and elements. He stated he did not know if they would go block construction or metal construction. He did not know what the City would prefer. Ms. Gabel stated that as long as the cover blends in with the rest of the building and meets the building codes, the Comnission would not have a problem with the type of construction used. MOTION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Ms. Gerou, to close the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson 6abe1 declared the public hearing closed at 7:41 p.m. Mr, Plemel stated he had no objections to this request as long as the stipu- lations suggested by Staff are followed, and the loading dock cover ties in with the general construction of the building. APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING, OCTOBER 25 1983 PAGE 3 2. MOTION by Ms. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to recommend to Cf"ty Council iF—ie approval of the variance request to reduce the required rear yard from 25' to 15' to allow the construction of a cover for a loading dock� located on Lot 8. Block 2, East Ranch Estates� 2nd Addition, the same being 7895 Ranchers Road N.E., Fridley. Mn., with the following stipulations: 1. There be no outside storage after construction. 2, That the petitioner review the existing landscaping and add some additional landscaping if necessary, 3. That the east wall of the enclosure be constructed to a one-hour fire rating since it is closer than 20 ft. to the lot line. Upon a voice vote. all voting aye, Chairperson 6abe1 declared the motion carried unanimously. Ms. Gabel stated this would go to City Councii on Nov. 21. THE FRIDLEY FT �, riynnc��in. �nequesL �y uona�a v, Giersdorf� 1301 Mississ . ., ri ey, n. 55432) MOTION by Ms. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to open the public hearing, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Gabel declared the public hearing open at 7:44 p.m. Chairperson Gabel read the Staff Report: IDNIAISTRA?SYE STAFP REPORT 6501 Central Avenue N.B. `. PITBLIC Pt1RPOSE SERVED BY REQQZABl��li?: Sectlon 21b.045, 2H, requires a mazimum eighty (80) aquare Peet for a free standing aign per development. Public purpose served by this requirement ia to control visual pollution and excessive use of signs in oommercial areas. B. STAiED HARDSHIP: "ile are located ao far from Central Avenue that the Barber 8 Seauty Shop are not noticed by potential customers; maay of the local people are telling us they did not know we xere here and i feel ve are losing a lot of business potential. In the Len plus years I have Deen in business bere, I have auffered over =3,000 1n damages and tLe added light over�ead xill possibly cut dovn on tDe vandaliam.• APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1983 PA6E 4 m C. tDMIHISTRATI4E S7AFF BEVISV: On February 24, 1963, the oxners of Lhis property vere contacted antl requested to conduct routine maintenance on the •Sarber Shop" sign panels. In addition, they were reQuired to remove the aDandoned sign structure that now holds the "Don's Barber anG Beauty Salon" aign panels. In Hay, 1g83� the existing "Barber Shop" sign panels xere removed and the pole painted. On September 20, 1983 e reinspection vas conducted and it was oDserved Lhat along with the reconditioned "Barber Shop" aign, a pex sign "Don's Barber and Beauty Salon" had been erected. The "Barber Shop" aign vas originally erected on Narch 9, 1970 under SSgn PermSt I10567 and t�e routine maintenance that was done on this slgn did not effect its atatus as a legal aoneonforming aign. The aign etructure Lhat nw holds t6e "Don's Barber and Beauty Salon" sign xas origlnally erected on June 1, 7g77. Sometime after that date and for aDout two years prior to � this time period, the atructure remained vacant. This resulted in the aign atructure losing its legal nonconforming atatus aince it remained vacant for _ longer than 3 montAs (Sec. 214.05, paragraph 7C). Before the new aign paneis vere erected, this property had two existing yylon aigns: one xith approximately 81 square feet of aign area and one xith 15 aquare feet of aign area. Since these xere erected under sign permits, they are permltted even though the Lotal of 96 �quare teet is in excess of the permitted 80 aquare I'eet. The ne�+ additlon of a A' x 6' i2�1 aq. Pt.) aign requi�es that a variance De granted to increase the permitted total eignage allowed to 120 aquare reet. If the Board approves this request, we have no atipulations to recommend. Mr. Clark stated Staff has received a letter of consent to the variance from the shopping center owner, They felt it was important to have this consent because, since there are other tenants in the center, they wanted to make sure the owner knew he was already in excess, but he would be more in excess if anyone else would request a sign. MOTION by Mr, Plemel, seconded by Ms. Gerou, to receive the letter fran Greg Johnson, President, Country House, Inc., dated Oct. 24, 1983. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Gabel declared the motion carried unanimously. Mr, Giersdorf stated the po7e had been there 15 yrs, unpainted and the signs dilapidated. About April 1, 1983, sane kids shot out the rest of the existing signs. so when he got a notice from the City stating the signs had to be redone or dismantled, he hired someone to have the pole repainted. He also purchased plexi-glass and started making inserts for the signs. He spent about �600 redoing the signs. He stated he has a beauty shop, in addition to the barber shop, that he started two years ago, and people say they don't know where he is. So, that is why he put up the new sign, "Don's Barber Shop and Beauty SaTon". As Tong as the old sign was already hanging there vacant, he did not know he was doing anything wrong by putting in the plexi- glass panels. He was not aware a variance was needed until he was notified by the City. APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1983 PAGE 5 Mr. Clark asked Mr, Giersdorf if he wanted both signs or just one of them. Mr. Giersdorf stated he would be satisfied with one; it is a duplication, but one sign belongs to the landlord and one belongs to him. He has a bill of sale from the TV shop selling hi� the sign. He stated he would like to keep the one that has his name on it. Mr. Clark stated that if Mr. Giersdorf would be satisfied with one sign, that would change the variance,as the variance includes both signs. He could still do it, but instead of going to 120 sq. ft „ he would be going to 105 sq, ft., because the smaller sign is 15 sq, ft, Ms. Gabel stated the landlord's sign could be taken down and stored without any problem. It seemed redundant to have both signs up. Mr, Giersdorf stated that would be alright with him if it was alright with the landlord. Mr. Clerk stated the owner of the other beauty shop next to Don's Barber Shop and Beauty Salon had wanted to put a sign on this pylon. She was told she could not without a variance, so she has changed her mind and has reapplied for a wall sign on the mansard. A signage plan for all the wall signs in the center will be going to City Council on Nov. 7. MOTION by Ms. Gerou, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to close the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Gabel declared the public hearing closed at 7:55 p.m. Mr. Plemel stated he could understand Mr. Giersdorf's need for more exposure. There did seem to be a duplication with the signs, and he would recommend they approve the variance to 105 sq. ft. and remove the smal7 "Barber Shop" sign. MOTION by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Ms. Gerou, to recomnend to City Council t�Tie approval of a variance to increase the size of a free standing sign from the maximum of 80 sq, ft. to 105 sq, ft., located on the west 258 sq, ft. of Lot 10. Auditor's Subdivision #10, the same being 6501 Central Avenue N.E., Fridley. Minnesota. with the stipulation that the sma7ler "Barber Shop' be removed. Ms. Gabel recommended that Mr. Giersdorf discuss this with the landlord prior to the City Council meeting on Nov. 21. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Gabel declared the motion carried unanimously. APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1983 PAGE 6 ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Plemel, seconded hy Ms. Gerou, voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Gabel Appeals Coirsnission meeting adjourned at 8:00 Respectfully s bmitted, V /�� ynq a a Recording Secretary to adjourn the meeting. Upon a declared the October 25, 1983, p.m, rr• DATE SUBJECT or DIRECTOAATE OF PUBLIC WORKS �Novernber 8, 1983 Bill Deblon - Plann Special Use Permit, SP p83-11 for Second Accessory Building at 470 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. ME140 N0. 83-80 MEMOFiANDUM TO ACTION INFO• Jerrold L. Boardman, Cit Planner X On October 12, 1983, the owner of the above property filed application for a special use permit in order to construct a second accessory building, (a 40' x 26' detached 9arage). I informed the petitioner of all the laws affecting the con- stuction and use of the accessory structure. Those laws involved: 1. Setbacks 2. Lot coverage 3. Size of building 4. Restrictions on use (especially home occupation) 5. Special Use Permit process The applicant informed me that the new structure would be used for storage of a recreational trailer and other materials. A site plan was prepared using an existing boundarysurvey of the property and a 1978 aerial photo. (The uriginal 1958 structure was damaged by the 1965 tornado and records of the reconstruction and new additions does not exist.) For these reasons, the site plan may not be very accurate and dimensions should be verified. The dimensions, including lot coverage, appear to meet'the code. If the Planning Commission approves of the concept of this second accessory building, the house side yard setback, among others, should be field verified 6y survey. WSD/de ; i � ; i R�� Lyn r Re�or CITY Of FRIDLEY ENERGY CQhiMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25, 1983 CRLL TO ORdER: Chairperson Saba called the Qctober 25, 1983, Energy Comnission meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Dean Saba, Bruce Sandow. Brad Sielaff hfembers Absent: None Others Present: Bilt Deblon, Associate Ptanner APPROVAI OF SEPTEMBER 27 1983 ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY Mr, Bondow, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to approve the Septenher 2), 1983 nF'ergy Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye. Chairperson Saba declared the motion carried unanimously. t, CONTINUED: EDUCATIONAL PR06RAMS a. Programs for Cable TV Mr. Saba stated Mr. Bondow had brought in a 54-minute video tape on "Conservation, the Neglected Energy Alternative, 1981". Mr. Sondow stated the tape was produced by N5P and was a presentation made by Dr. Kevin Gottlieb, Michigan State University. Dr. Gottlieb is a professor of Sociai Sciences at Michigan State University, so the topic is more socia-economic. He stated he thought it might be a suitable program for the table TV channel. Ne stated he would like Mr. Saba to review it. He stated he has talked to NSP and the Conmission wilt need a release form fran NSP. As he understood it, Storer Gabte fias a standard release form that the City might be able to use. Mr. Bondow stated he had also cF�ecked out a program called "Wood Heating ; Safety". an 8i-51ide series witfi a cassette, distributed by the Minnesota Energy Planning Department. He stated there is no need to obtain a ' release or copyright information as this program was produced with public funds. � rGiG.r! � y, ' �f y� � l/ �'.�� . ��- y � y� � s � c�in-�-� �i'��— �-'`°c�.�-, �� "Q m�- l�g e�t � D�v�� 1�%��r,c�c ��o S � E�--� ��-�� j�z�i�- �� C �� y %� �"/� � � Y�/C� C�.QPP `i/ ( �t'.Q�4yG� �/L�C� "✓ eK/L�L-a�-cJ? . �/�� -� �'�.� ��, . / ��9 ,� �,_ �`��- �� ?�� y3s i� C� r��, � 1�1G' ��/,e�� ,-(,��- . �?3� �"�s�- �i/� � 7 y� 7 tr-G s r, rfl ,�' �� ICG�/t�.tat � �/y24CC a.� o.r3� - ��1� �°�.r� ��-� F l `� l � i CALL TO ORDER: CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 9, 1983 Chairwoman Schnabel called the November 9, 1983, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Ga6e1, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Sa6a, Mr, Goodspeed Members Absent: Mr. Svanda Otfiers Present: Jerrold Boardman, City P7anner Carl Asproth, 470 Rice Creek Terrace Marlene Knight, 513 Rice Creek Terrace Anita & Duane Prairie, 489 Rice Creek Terrace Cliarles Lane, 482 Rice Creek Terrace Harold Olsrud, 435 Rice Creek Terrace Ed Hamernik, 6740 Monroe St. N,E, James Hagen, 6736 - 7th St. N.E. David & hiarlene Richter, 6746 - 7th St. N.E. Fred & Arella Sarette, 494 Rice Creek Terrace APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 19 1983 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: M�TION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to approve the Oct. 19, 1983, �Tanning Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #83-11 BY CARL A. ASPROTH: Per Section 205.0 1, 3, A, of tfie Fri ey City Co e, to a ow the construction of a second accessory building, a 26' by 40' detached garage, on Lot 8, Block 5, Rice Creek Terrace, Plat 4, tfie same being 470 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded 6y Ms. Gabel, to open the pufilic fiear l�g on SP #83-11 by Carl A. Asproth. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Cf�airwoman Schna6el declared tFie public hearing open at 7:32 p.m. Mr. 6oardman stated the CoTmnission memfiers bad Memo #83-8Q from Bill Deblon regarding the special use permit request. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9, 1983 PAGE 2 Mr. Boardman stated the plan included in the agenda shows the house, existing garage, and where the potential garage would be located, Apparently, there was an addition on the back of the house which does not show on the plan. Staff was not sure of the size of tfiat addition. Until Staff knows exactly the amount of square footage of 6ui7ding area the petitioner has, Siaff is concerned t�at the petitioner might be getting very close to the 25% lot coverage. The lot size is 13,358 sq. ft, so the maximum building area a71ow- a61e is a6out 3,340 sq. ft. Mr, Boardman stated the plan (from the aerial phnto} shows 2,815 sq. ft. If the addition on the house is about 500 sq. ft Mr. �sproth may be over the 25� lot coverage. Mr. Boardman stated that when Staff looked at the property, they gave the petitioner the setback requirements, lot coverage requirements, the size of the building allowed on the lot, and the restrictions on the use such as home occupation. Staff has some concern with the size of the building, especially when there is an underground tunnel and a basement under the structure. Mr. Boardman stated that judging from the aerial photo, there seems to be enough room by the side of the house to get a driveway back, but this won't be confirmed until a survey is done. If the Planning Commission recommends approval of the special use permit, �e would recommend a survey be obtained hefore tfiis goes to City Counc5l. The petitioner, Carl Asproth, was in the audience. Mr. Asproth stated that as far as he was concerned, the s�ze of the garage could be smaller. He could make the garage fit into the requirements as far as lot coverage. He stated that fiis son, who is a taxidermist, lives with him. Right now his son has a freeze-dry unit in the existing garage and is working in there. His son has looked at renting sane space for his business, but he cannot afford it. The reason for the new garage is for storage. Mr. Boardman asked if Mr. Asproth was planning to convert the existing garage from garage to working space. Mr. Asproth stated his son is working in the garage right now. P�r. Boardman explained that a home occupation is not an allowable use in an accessory building, Right now the existing garage is an accessory building and cannot be used for a home occupation. Home occupation has to be run out of a living area. If Mr. Asproth turned the existing garage into living space, then the home occupation would be allowable as long as the home occupation is accessible through the living structure. Mr. Boardman stated that this was one of Staff's concerns regarding this special use permit request. It would have to be made very clear that a home occupation cannot operate out of an accessory building. Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Asproth the reason for constructing a tunnel. Mr, Asproth stated there would be a basement under the new garage. The tunnel would connect the house to the basement of the new garage. The tunnel was necessary because his son would be moving the display cases that are presently in the basement of the house to the basement of the new garage for storage. PLANNING COhA1ISSI0N MEETING, NOVE�BER 9 1983 PAGE 3 Ms. Schnabel asked about the consiruction of the tunne7 Mr, Asproth stated it would be constructed of concrete blocks. It would be fire-proof with fire-proof doors on both ends, Mr. Oquist stated it appeared that the basement of the new garage would be used for display purposes to show potential customers, and he did not think that was 1e9a1, because the basement of t6e garage is stitl part of the accessory building. Mr. Goodspeed stated he saw two problems: (1) The taxidermy business in the exlsting garage right no� is illega7; and (2) The use of the new facility might not be legal either. Mr. Boardman stated that if Mr. Asproth took the existing garage that is attached to the house, blocked it off so it became part of the house structure, he could use that for a home occupation as long as there is no access directly to the outside and access is gained from inside the 6ouse structure. In that sltuation, a special use permit would no longer be required because the first accessory building would 6e the new garage that is proposed. However, there is still tfie problem that the new garage cannot be used for any part of a home occupation. The only way he can use t�at new garage space for home occupation is if that structure abuts the house structure itself and becomes a part of the house structure. A portion of the new structure could still be Lsed as garage space, and that garage space would 6e classified as the new accessory building. At this point, they do not kno� wfiat �r. Asproth's house Iooks like with the addition. The way the plan is 1ai:d out and Mr, Asproth's intent for use of the new structure, he �ould noi meet the home occupation requirement even if he did meet the 25q lot coverage requirement. Mr, Goodspeed stated it would be conceivable to expand onto the basement of the house without building on top of the basement, sea7 his existing garage, and then build a normal garage. Mr, Boardman stated that was a possibility if it met all the codes, Mr. Asproth stated he wanted the building to look decent. Where he proposed to build the garage, it would be practically hidden 6ecause of the trees. The garage would be stuccoed the same as tfie house. If he added an addition to the fiouse, it is going to affect everybody, and it will not look as nice. Ms. Schnabel stated that the Planning Commission really needed a survey to know what the exact measurements were of the existing structure. Ms. Schnabel asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to comment on this request. �rs. Marlene Knight, 513 Rice Creek Terrace, stated she would like to fiave an understanding of what t6e coding is in this particular area. She stated that five years ago, a neighbor wanted to build a detached garage. At that time, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9 1983 PAGE 4 it was her understanding that there was a provision in the abstracts made by the developer in that particular neighborhood that no one could build a detacfied structure and that those structures had to be attached to the house. She stated when they bou9ht their house six years ago, they were informed of tBis fact by tfieir attorney. S6e stated tfiat every house in that area has an attached garage and there are no detached garages. Mr. Boardman stated the City does not have anyth.ing on covenants recorded at the City. This would be recorded at the County. When developers put on restrictions like this, they record the private covenants with the County. Mr. Boardman suggested Mr. Asproth check to see if he had any type of covenant on his deed. Mr. Charles Lane, 482 Rice Creek Terrace, stated that Mr. & Mrs. Holerud could not be at the meeting, but they had given him a letter to bring to the Planning Commission meeting. He read the following letter: "In regards to t�e request of Mr. Carl Asproth to construct a 40' x 26' fiuilding in his back yard at 470 Rice Creek Terrace, Fridley. As next door home owners, I, Carlton HoTerud,and my wife, Mary P. Hoierud, are opposed to a building of this size being constructed." Mr. Lane stated he would also be similarly opposed to granting a special use permit, primarily because he felt an accessory building in the back yard would detract considerably from the value of his property, if and when he would be in a position to sell it. He stated his family room looks out onto Mr. Asproth's back yard. Mrs. Fred Sarette, 494 Rice Creek Terrace, stated she had a letter from Mr. Miles Gerard, 506 Rice Creek Terrace, who also could not be at the meeting. She read the follov�rng ietter: "In reviewing proposal of a special use permit, SP #83-11, by Carl A. Asproth for construction of a second building (26' x 40') at 470 Rice Creek Terrace N.E., I feel I was misinformed at time of signing neighborhood petition. I request my signature be void from said neighborhood petition, and respectful7y request you to accept my NO vote in regard to ahove proposal." Mr. Duane Prairi� 489 Rice Creek Terrace, stated he was sure the reason all the neigh6ors were at the meeting was because they were concerned with the way their neighborhood 7ooks. From the discussion, it sounded like a lot things were very unclear as to what was actually going to happen. He stated they are concerned because there are no buildings of this type in the neighborhood, and they also want to protect the looks of tfieir cor�nunity. Ms. Gabel stated it was clear that they cannot legally grant t�is speci:al use permit request based on ihe stated use for the accessory 6ui7dqng. Mr, Asproth presented a petition signed by 13 neigfibors who were in favor of SUP #83-11. (One neighbor has asked to be removed.) PLANNING CO�MISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 9 1983 PAGE 5 MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Saba, to receive into the record the pe�t�tion presented by the petitioner, the letter from Mr. & Mrs. Carlton Nolerud dated Nov. 9, 1983, and the letter from Mr. Miles Gerard dated Nov. 9, 1983. Upon a voice voie, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. Ms. Schnabe7 stated it appears the Planning Corrxnission cannot grant this special use permit request based on tfie way tfie petitioner has presented his proposal, because it would not fall witfiin the City's zoning guidelines. Mr. Oquist stated he thought the petitioner could add a structure onto the house that would be acceptable to everyone and would be pleas�ng to look at. Ms. Gabel stated she wanted the petitioner to understand that even if the neighbors were in agreement, the Planning Commission could not grant the special use permit request because of the intended use for the building. MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Sa6a, to close the pu6lic hearing on P 3-11 by Carl A. Asproth. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. Ms. Gabel stated she did not fee] the petitioner's p7an had been very well tfiought out. An architect should be consulted so this can be done in a manner that wou7d be compatible with the neigh6orfiood and the existing structure. Mr. Oquist stated they had determined that the second accessory building could only be 800 sq. ft., rather than the 1,040 sq, ft. being proposed. He agreed that the plan wasn't well planned. Even without the intended use, this structure does not fit the plan. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED T11E MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Ms. Schnabel stated this special use permit would go to City Council on November 21. PLAN;3ING COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 9, 1983 PAGE 6 Mr. Boardman stated he wou7d also suggest to the petitioner that, based on the new information 6rought out at tfiis meeting, ii would be very hard for Staff to take this request to City Council as it is. Staff was not aware of the addition on the back of the house and what the actual square footage of the house is. They would need a survey before this goes to City Council. He stated the petitioner may even want to considPr withdrawing this request and consider a different deve7opment that is alloi•�ed v�ithin the City Codes. 2. RECEIVE SEPTEMBER 27, 1983 ENERGY COh�fISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the Sept. 27, 1983, n�ergy Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, al7 voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 3. RECEIVE OCTOBER 13 1983 NOUSING & REDEVECOPMENT A�THORITY MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded 6y Mr. Goodspeed, to receive the Oct. 13, 7983, Housing & Redevelopment Authority minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 4. RECEIVE OCTOBER 17, 1983� PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by �r. Goodspeed, to receive the Oct, 17, 1983, ar s& Recreation Comnission minutes. Mr. Kondrick stated that on page 14, the Commission had made a motion recommending that "the City of Fridley enter into an agreement with the Nort6east Chamber Orchestra with an upper limit of five concerts in the City of Fridley for the 1984 year at $150/concert; and with the Fridley City Band for six concerts in the park with an upper limit of nine total concerts in the City of Fridley at $150/concert". He stated three members voted for tfie motion, one voted against the motion, and one member abstained, Mr. Kondrick stated that in a previous decision on Sept. 27, 1982, by the Parks & Recreation Commission to underwrite the cost of music and supplies and underwrite 1/4 of the directors' salaries for the Northeast Chamber and City Band with a phase-out of the directors' salaries, the Commission did not feel they had considered the overall plan of the Parks & Recreation Commission which is to provide entertainment and recreational programs for all and perhaps the omission of some funds for that particular type of activity was overlooked, Ms. Gabel stated she agreed the City needed more culture. She had looked through the Parks & Recreation brochure and also became a little angry about the statement that the Parks & Recreation Department is totally sports-oriented. That was not a fair statement. She stated the $30 feelperson set by the PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 9, 1983 PAGE 7 Northeast Chamber was not even $3/month, and she really felt it was a dis- proportionate amoun� compared to what people are required to pay to parti- ciPate in any activity through parks and recreation, A good example was volle�ball and fiasketfiall fees whlc� range from $5Q-285 to participate. Ms. Ga6e1 stated s�e has a c�ild wFia plays an instrument and also plays in sports so she knows about the cost of the instrument, music lessons, and the expense of it. Then, when the child participates in a sport with the FYSA, there are quite a few expenses. There is an FYSA family fee of $5, a$16-18 participation fee, and for one sport, it was $60 for used equipment. That totalled $80 for 3-A months. In addition, the FYSA litera7ly demands a lot of volunteer time from people who participate. She stated sfie also belonqs to a lot of other or9anizations, and it is her feeling that if these organi- zations want to exist badly enough, tfiey will exist. Sfie did not think it was bad that the City help support these two organizations, but she did think they were not doing enough to contribute to their own survival. Ms. Gabel stated it is the disproportionate amount of funds that really bothered her. Last time, they talked about certain other organizations that had their funding cut out totally by the City. Mr. Kondrick stated that, although it may be true that funds have stopped for other programs, the Parks & Recreation Commission cannot concern themselves with those. That is not the Parks & Recreation Commission's function. It is a concern to the Commission as people living in Fridley, but the Parks & Recreation Cormnission's job as a commission is to provide opportunity for recreation in fridley. That is really what the issue is here. Ms. Gabel stated she did not dispute the fee, but what these two organizations have done is to find a new way for the City to fund them without having to put forth much effort. Mr. Oquist stated he wondered what paying the Northeast Chamber and City Band would do to their amateur status. He wondered if they were getting enough Fridley people to watch these concerts to make the $150/concert worthwhile. Mr. Goodspeed stated he agreed with Ms. Gabel. These people do play for their own enjoyment, and if they don't get money from the City, they wi71 find it somewhere. UPON A VOICE YOTE, ALL YOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MINUTES RECEIYED. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9, 1983 PAGE 8 5. RECEIVE OCTOBER 18= 1983j ENVIRONMENTAt (�UACITY C�I�IMISSIQN MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the Oct. 18, 1983, nE—v ronmental Quality Commissi:on minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman ScEuiafie] declared tfie motion carried unanimous7y. 6. RECEIVE OCTOBER 25 1983 APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Gabe7, seconded by Mr. Sa6a, to receive the Oct. 25, 1983, p�peals Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, CF� irwoman Schnahel declared tfie motion carried unanimously. 7. RECEIUE OCTOBER 25 1983 ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr, Oquist, to receive the Oct. 25, 1983, n�ergy Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schna6el declared the motion carried unanimous7y. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Saba, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the November 9, 1983, Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Lyn e Saba Recording Secretary CAftLTON S. HOZERIID 458 Rice Creek Terr. Fridley, Minn. 55�32 Nov. 9, 19�3 To whom it may concern: In regards to the request of D4r. Carl Asproth to construct a 40' x 26' bui2ding in his baek yard at 4�0 Rice Creek Terr. Fridlev. As next door home owners, I Carlton Holerud and my wife Mary P. Holerud are opposed to a building of this size being constructed. ., � � ,�� ' � � l�. �� . + • �ovember 9, 19II3 To: PLAN�ING CON�ISSION _ . Dear Sirs; In reviewing_proposal of a spECial use permit-SP # 83-11, ----- ---- _ _ _ _ __ (y Carl A. Aaproth for construction of a secon.d building - -- (26 ft. X 40 ft.) at 470 Rice Creek Terrace N.L. , I feel 2 was i�^,isinformed at time of signing r.eighborhood petition. __ I request my signature be void from said neighborhood petition, and respectfully request you to accept my �;O vote in regard to above �roposal. _ . _ __ . _ __ _ _ _ Respectfully, �� .� Miles G. ard "� - 506 Rice Creek Terrace Home Owner - . � _ ��. ,� ��L� �M �✓�� v r �Qr��'` -s��3 1/ (o r �.��L /� ��o6i`� � �� sP�i o,� aos, ��; 3, � o� / Ric�Lc'y ��-'7o G�ic� ��'��f,' �eptP9�e ; � �//`}^� . V`-' y-. /' i� _ � � � �l ` `4,...:i� ,--. � . . `J �=�-t�,2 Lr'..t i�`� r�. '..�. (� �i� 7S�-�� z° �� j � � 6�� N•�. rH,� II 2 - `�1 ` oV�= l! z � � _ � �, o .� �,.1`"� �'%F /� � � ! •� � r !'�*flG V % f � �� ✓ � � —�— n ! a � i �� o� �'�oo� �� z, � ��J�r/t�; [/�/ VV � Y�� p � �� f 7�� irY ST ��' Z '�1 �—�n % 5'I / . n GZ'if° ..,� _ �� y 7/ - L � �`' �'.�,� ,�L�`Z tU`fL/!L �7�1!'� (�' 7 f'� 7C; � '� �� s- �� r E- L �'! / L% oZ // � ll v ' i� a i/ z- f _ V.- \ '.�� PUBLIC HEARIN6 BEfORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION �� i , i Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Cortunission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, Novem6er 9, 1983 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M, for the purpose of: Consideration of a request_ fQC .a -SDe�iaL --- --— ------ -- - usz verrnit, SY #83-I1, by Carl A. Asproth, per Section 205.07i, 3, A, of the FriQley , City Code, to allow the construction of a second accessory building, a 26 ft. by 40 ft. detached garage, located on Lot 8, Block 5, Rice Creek Terrace Plat 4, the same being 470 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. Any and ell persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opportunity at the above stated time and place. Publish: October 26, 1983 November 2, 1983 VIRGINIA SCHNABEL CHAIRWOMAN p� euur�in rnuMrrrmr.i L�ll\1�11\U VU�'llll./�%�VI\ t' � -- CITY OF FRIDLEY EWERGY COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25, 1983 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Saba called the October 25, 1983, Energy Comnission meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. ROLL CAIL: Members Present: Dean Saba, Bruce Bo�dow, Brad Sielaff Members Absent: None Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner APPROVAL OF SEPTEMBER 27 1983 ENER6Y COMMISSION MINUTES: MOiION BY Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to approve the Septenher 27, 1983 nF ergy Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Saba declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. CONTINUED: EDUCATION{4L PROGRAh1S a. Pro9rams for Cable TV Mr. Saba stated Mr. Bondow had brought in a 54-minute video tape on "Conservation, the Neglected Energy Alternative, 1981". Mr. Bondow stated the tape was produced by NSP and was a presentation made by Dr. Kevin Gottlieb, Michigan State University, Or. Gottlieb is a professor of Social Sciences at Michigan State University, so the topic is more socio-economic. He stated he thought it might be a suitable program for the cable TV channel. He stated he would like Mr. Saba to review it. He stated he has talked to NSP and the Goimnission will need a release form from NSP, As he understood it, Storer Cable f�as a standard re]ease form that the City might be able to use. Mr. Bondow stated he had also checked out a program called "Wood Heating Safety", an 81-slide series with a cassette, distributed by the Minnesota Energy Planning Department. He stated there is no need to obtain a release or copyri9ht information as this program was produced with public funds. � � `` ! `s ; ENER6Y COMMISSION MEETTNG OCTOBER 25 1983 PAGE 2 Mr. Bondow stated he had obtained a list of information from Minnegasco that lists all their energy topics, fiims, and videa cassettes. He talked to Julie Waight, who is tfie Coordinator of Educationai Services. 7his booklet is produced mainly for teachers in the school systems; however, there are many slide series in cassettes that are available for secondary, college, and aduit audiences, He stated he also did not see anything wrong with putting in some e7ementary programs. Mr, Saba stated he also felt they might want to find something suitab7e for the younger generation, Mr, Bondow stated he also had a catalog from NSP listing their programs on energy, Mr, Saba stated he had contacted 3M regarding the materials application information on 3M conservation products, and they sound interested in putting sanething together for the Energy Commission, b. Minnesota Energy Conservation Service (MECS) Promotion Grant Mr. Deblon stated the Mayor's letter has been signed by Mayor Nee, but it has not yet been published in the Fridley Sun. Mr. Saba stated it was important that the letter be published soon, Mr. Deblon stated he would see what could be done to get the letter published as soon as possible. Mr. Deblon stated Mike Hosch and Boy Scout Troop #52 did an outstanding j�b in organizing and distributing the promotional materials throughout the City. He stated he will be writing a letter to Mr, Hosch's commanding officer documenting all the work done, He stated a letter from the chairperson of the Energy Commission would also be nice. He stated there - will also be an article in the Fridley Sun telling about the work done by Mike Hosch and Boy Scout Troop #52. Mr. Deblon stated there were about 1,000 doorknob hangers left after the distribution. These will be available at the counter at City Hall, Mr. 8ondow suggested that the left-over doorknob hangers be given t� Lampert and Menards for hand-out material to customers. 2. COMM�NITY ENERGY PLANNIN6 PROCESS: Mr, Deblon stated Ms. Thompson had not 6een ahle to attend t�is meeting. 5he will be attending the next meetin9, Mr. Saba stated that, before that meeting, he would like 5taff to obtain the information needed for the "Community Energy Data Collection" materiai, � .. . �: �- : ENER6Y COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 25 1983 PAGE 3 3, OTHER BUSINESS: a. CO Monitors Mr. Bondow stated that at the last meeting, Mr. Saba had brought in an article published in Mechanix Illustrated on CO monitors and chemical badges. He stated he follawed up on this by writing a letter to the editor of the magazine asking for the manufacturers' names, where the manufacturers were located. and if there was any distribution in the Minneapolis area. The remainder of the meeting was spent reviewing the sTide/tape program, "Wood Heating Safety". ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to adjourn the meeting, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Saba declared Lhe �ctober 25, 1963, Energy Comnission meeting adjourned at 9:0� p.m. Respectfully sub itted, t�X_Q, Lyn e Saba Recording Secretary