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PL 12/07/1983 - 30606�, CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 7, 1983 CALL TO ORDER: - Chafirwoman Schnabel called the December 7, 1983, Planning Comnission meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. ROLL CALL: Me�bers Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Svanda, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Saba, Mr. Goodspeed Me�bers Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner � Kazimerz Tomczyk, 6060 Woody Lane N.E. Harold Swanson, 6064 Woody Lane N.E. Roland Peterson, 235 Craigbrook Way N.E. Robert MacDonald, Station 19 Architects, Inc. Donald Spano, 7300 Jackson St. N.E. Beverly Spano, 7300 Jackson St. N.E, Florence Kari, 7330 Jackson St. N.E. .,� Steven Kari, 7330 Jackson St. N.E. Keith Bellefeuille, 7310 Jackson St. N.E. Jim Sweeney, 7320 Jackson St. N.E. Barbara Sweeney, 7320 Jackson St. N.E. Scott Coozennoy, 7899 University Ave., Spring Lake Park APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 9, 1983, PLANNING CON�IISSION MINUTES: MOTIO�d by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to approve the November 9, 1983, PTa n ng Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #83-12 BY ��R. &'riRS. KAZIMERZ TOMCZYK: Per Section 205.071, 3, A, of the Fridley ity Co e, to allow the construction of a second accessory building, an 18 ft. by 22 ft, detached garage, on Lot 2, Block 1, Girdler Terrace, the same being 6060 Woody Lane N.E. MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to open the public hearing on SP #83-12 by Mr, and Mrs. Kazimerz Tomczyk. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the public haring open at 7:34 p.m. � . .r-�..'._ _ -' PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING; DECEMBER 7; 1983� PAGE 2 ,�-� Mr, Boardman stated th�� pr�perty was located on Lot 2, Block 1, Girdler Terracee Th� pr•�pos�� was for an 18 ft. by 22 ft, detached garage in the back yard of the propert�. This proposal does meet all code requirements. He state� Staff did not have any problems with this proposal. Ttie petitioner, Mr. Kazimerz Tomczyk, was in the audience. Mr, Tomczyk stated his existing garage was too samll, and he needed a larger garage for the storage of such things as a snowmobile, snowblower, lawnmower, etc. He stated the new ga�age would tie into the existing driveway. Mr. Harold Swanson, 6n64 W�jody Lane N.E., stated he lived just to the north of Mr. Tomczyk and he did not have any problem with Mr. Tomczyk's proposal. Ms. Schnabel stated it se�med there could be a little sense of crowding in , the back yard only because of the way the patio area was constructed by the house with a full roAf ove� it. It looked like it was part of the house.. Although she realized it was not part of the house, with the garage as another structure in the back yard, she was concerned about how it would look visually. Ho�ever, Mr. Saianson who lived next to Mr. Tomczyk was not in opposition to this propos�l, and he would be the one most directly affected by it. MOTION by Mr, Oquist, deconded by Mr. Saba, to close the public hearing �...� on SP #83-12 by Mr. Kazimerz Tomczyk. l Upon a voice vote, all doting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the public hearing closed at 7:42 p:m. MOTION by Mr. Oqu�st, seconded by Mr. Goodspeed, to recommend to City Council approval of Special Use Permit, SP #83-12, by Mr. & Mrs. Kazimerz Tomczyk: Per Section 205.071, 3, A, of the Fridley City Code, to allow the construction �f a second accessory building, an 18 ft. by 22 ft. detached garage on Lot 2, ;�lock 1, Girdler Terrace, the same being 6060 Woody Lane N.E. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion c�rri�d unanimouslye Ms. Schnabel stated this special use permit request would go to the City Council on Monday, December 19th. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, �P #83-13, EVANGELICAL E€ CHURC�, BY ROBERT�A. MACDONALD,�STATION 19 ARCHITECTS: Per Section 205.071, 3, a, Qf t e Fri ley City Co e, to a low the construction of an addition to an existing church, approximately 90 ft. by 100 ft.,in R-1 Zoning (one family dwellings) on Parcel 300 in the West half of the East half of the ��orthPast Quarter of Section 11, the same being 755 - 73rd Avenue N.E, MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to open the public hearing �'` on SP #83-13, Evangelical Free Church, by Robert A. MacDonald. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the public 6earing open at 7:45 p.m. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 7, 19�3 PAGE 3 Mr. Boardman stated this property was located on 73rd Ave, near Madsen Park and was completely surrounded by resi�ential. The proposal was for the expansion of the church area. They are planning on building an addition to the sanctuary assembly area off the back tn the north. With the proposed addition, they will meet all rQquirements for parking. One other require- ment was a workable drainage p7an for t�e site. The Engineering Staff will be reviewing the drainage plan when it is received to make sure it is satisfactory. Mr. Boardman stated the City did work with the Church with a previous expan- sion, and the Church did expand their parking area into the big lot area to the north, so all the parking is in. Witfi this expansion, the Church would be expanding into an area where they presently have parking, so they will be lncreasing the parking area on the side to the east. T�is expansion does meet all setback requirements and other code requirements such as lot coverage and building setbacks. The City wi71 require the Church to fence the parking along the east side for the protection of t�e neighbors. The Church has agreed to the fencing. Mr. Boardman stated Dr. Roland Peterson, a member of the Church, and Mr. Robert MacDonald, Station 19 Architects, were in the audience. � Mr. Kondrick asked what kind of fencing would be required. Mr. Boardman stated they had talked about a solid wood screen fencing-- something to provide solid screening to the neighbors.. Mr, Oquist stated that in the drawing, there was a gymnasium/activity center tentatively proposed for future expansion. Had parking requirements been considered for that also? Mr. MacDonald, Station 19 Architects, stated the Church's desire wou7d have been to add the gymnasium at this time; hvt�ver, it did not work ou� �hat way financially. He stated the Church is actually required to provide only 155 parking stalls per city ordinance for both the existing churcM building and the new worship expansion. The site accommodates 17� parking stalls. That difference in parking stalls is what they are planning to provide for the g,yr:masium expansion. Ms. Schnabel asked about the membership of the church. Dr. Peterson stated their membership is 225 persons. However� their morning worship attendance was approximately 420 perso�s between the tt�o services. With the expansion, they are p]anning to go to one service. Mr. Boardman stated that if the Church wan�ts to add �r� a gymr�asium in the future, it may need a variance. He did not know at this time how th� parking would be figured in. Right now, the Church does meet city code with the proposed �--�., expans i on . .c� - PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, OFCEMBER 7, 1983 ___ PAGE 4 �1s. Schn�bel s�ated ti7at, in any case, the City has to assure the neighbor- hbod that whatever parking that would be generated by the wor.ship area or a gymnasi�m c�uld be contai�ed within the church property without flowing on to �ity streets. So, rrom that standpoint, she felt it was legitimate to looF, at the number of parking stalls at this time. Mr. MacDonald refer�ed to his memordandum dated Nov. 3, 1983, to Je�rold �oardman regarding a meeting he had with City Staff on this building expansion. He stated site data was as follows: building area - 14.72%; parking area - 53q; remaining open space - 32.5�. Mr. MacDonald stated that in terms of the east side of the property, they would agree to either fe�cing or lan�scaping, whatever the City required. He stated they are indicating a 10 ft. setback, and the ordinance requires only 5 ft. The first neighbor adjacent to 73rd has a 6 ft. high cedar fence on the property l�ne. If desired, the Church would continue with that type of fencing to give it the same look. Beyond that parking area, they are indicating landscaping; however, if the neighbors desired a fence, they would correspond with that desire. Mr. MacD�nald stated �he main thrust of the expansion is to have the interest fro� tne west towards the city park in the attempt to be a good neighbor. The existing historic entry door wi17 be primarily used during the business week. They are also looking at chaining off some of the back parking during the week to limit the parking in the back area. Ms. Schnabe� asked if there were people in the audience who would like to make comment� concerning this preposal. Mr. Jini Sweeney, 73�0 J�ckson St. N.E., stated he lived directly to the east -of the Chur�h. F�e stated the church will be increasing it: sanc�uary seating �space ��rom 327 �0 600, but the parking will remain essentia7ly the same. The parking lot is not quite full now, but it is getting there. �M�: MacDa�ald stated the p�esent church building is 8,000 sq. ft., and the fobtprint is being incweas�d to about 11,000 sq. ft., of which about 6,400 s�: ft, will be �he sanctuary itself. The rest is circulation area, hallways, mechanical rooms, etc. Mr. Sweeney stated the church will be almost doubling the size of its sanctuary seating, bu�c the parking stalls are remaining almost the same. The parking requiremenLS have been met, but he wondered if the parking requirement was beTng squeezed just a little bit, and were 178 parking stalls really adequate? Dr. Peterson stated there was a parking lot at Madsen Park. The Church has never approached the City to see if they could use that lot on the weekend if extra parking was ever needed, but it was a possibility. � �. Mr. Sweeney stated the two things that concern the neighbors on the east ^ are the driveway on the east side and the parking on the east side. They � want as much green space as possible. They would like to see the driveway and the parking stalls on the east side eliminated. . _ . _ _ . . __ .� .�,. . _� . _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ PLANNING COP1MISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 7, 1983 � PR6E 5 Mr. Spano, 7300 Jackson St. N.E., stated he lived on the corner. It was his fence on the corner. As far as parking on the street, the neighbors do have overflow parking on the street at different time5--Christmas, Palm Sunday,Easter, some Wednesday activity nights. He stated�he had no complaint with the Church's functions or the parkin� as �t is no��. He stated his house is a two-story house. There is no blockage of trees between the church's parking lot and his house and no blockage of sun from 3:00 p.m, on. He felt the additional parking spaces on the east and the additional blacktop will radiate additional heat toward his house in the summ�rtime. Mr. Saba stated the blacktop really does not radiate heat as much as it absorbs heat. He would be surprised if there was any problem with the black- top causing any more heat to the neighbors. He would be more concerned if it was a concrete parking lot. Mr. Spano stated he was also concerned about the additional traffic on two sides. Mr. Keith Bellefeuille, 7310 Jackson St. N.E., stated he als� had a concern with regard to heat. He did not want to get into semantics about whether 6lacktop radiated or absorbed E�eata He stated black asphalt not:only;�absorbs the heat, but also retains it. He felt that ev�nings when he wa� hor�e from work were going to be a lot hotter with more asphalt in his back yard than � with grass. Mr. Bellefeuille stated it was noted that the parking lot was approx. 70% full with the Church's two services. That would be approx. 200 people per service. By going to one service after the expansion and having 400 people at one service, that means the lot would be 140q full. That is with the number of people now, not with more people in t�e future. The existing lot has 37 less parking spaces than the one proposed, so by adding 37 spaces to the approx. 151 they now have, he did not think they were going to take care of those numbers of people. Mr. Bellefeuille stated Ms. Schnabel had asked if the neighbors would��prefer parking on the street in front of their houses versus a larger park.ing lot. His answer would be "yes". He could put up with people parking in front of his house for Sunday church services and Wednesday evenings. He would prefer that to an asphalt parking lot in his back yard 365 days a year. Mr. Bellefeuille stated that Mr. MacDonald had said the ma�n entry would be on the west side. He stated any door can be called a main entry. He stated 90% of the parking spaces are closer to the other entries than the main entry. Which entry are those people going to use? They are probably going to use the c7osest one. Ms. Gabel stated she felt they were talking about aesth�tics. She thought the'Church was going to do whatever it could to make it more aesthetically � pleasing to cut do�►n on the impact to the neighbors. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 7, 1983 PAGE 6 'J . � P7rs. �arba�ra Sweeriey stated�she cou7d understand the Church's need to add on, but why go to one service and add more congestion? Why nQt just stay �iith two services a�d eliminate the parking spaces on the east side by the neiqhbors? Most churches have at least two services. Mr. Oquist stated he had a� suggestion for a compromise for the asphalt parking problem. On the p7an there are 24 parking stalls on the east side of the driveway and � stall�s on the west side of the driveway (east side of church). He wotrld suggest e7iminating the 24 parking stalls and moving the 8 parking stalls back to wFiere the gymnasium. is proposed. This would give the church ]62 parking stalls as opposed to the 178. That would also gain 1� additional feet of green area to the east between the driveway and the neighbors. Ms. Schr�abel stat�d'she also had that same thought. Since 155 parking stalls are required by the City, and the Church has proposed 178, that is 23 stalls more than is required. By having 162 stalls, it would still give them 7 stalls over what is required. Mrv. �MacDonald� siated it wa's- a compromise, but he felt that for the future, �t would rrsa➢ce it very dffificu1t for the Church to come back and use the � land that is within their boundaries and within the ordinance to use. By eliminating t�rose 24 stal]s, it would make it more difficult in the future if the Chur�h does need additional parking for the addition of a gymnasium or a classroom. He did not think the Church wanted to concede that they would never park there. Mr. Boardman stated he would not want this type of compromise to preclude the City from going back at some point and requiring the Church to put in � :����at additional parking. Mr. Oquist stated that property was still the Church's and can be used ' - �'=��t�.��� fu�ur�: d�t�e- °�or parking st�lls. Mr. Boardman stated that if the neighbors preferred to have open area or �' g�reen space, fie would recorr�mend plantings within the 10 ft. area leaving tyhe green spae�. Mr'. MacDnnal� stated he would r�ot like to see the driveway on the east eliminated. From a traffic flow standpoint, it would create a bottleneck �ith all �he traffic having to enter and exit at the same place. That is pa�� of the problem they are having right now. Nlr. MacDonald stated he and Dr. Peterson could not make a decision on the Planning Commiss:ion"s c�mp��mise at this time. They are responsible to a Bui7ding Carpnittee and a Trustee Board, who have to make the decision as to ,.... : hmw they want io use �their 7and. � �--� � � PLANNIWG COMMISSION MEETING, DECE�BER 7, 1983 � PAGE 7 � - .� Dr. Peterson stated tF�e Church did try to contact all the neighbors in the area to tel7 them what the Church was proposing to�do. He be�3eved the people at the meeting were the people who owned the first fouV� lots., He had not heard any objections from the people wF�o owned the two lots ;b� the far parking lot. . Ms. Schnabe] asked when they would anticipate starting construction.... Mr. MacDona7d stated that if all goes well, th�y wauld like to start�;con- struction in the spring and be in operation by Christmas 1984. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Goodspeed, to�cl�se the public h�aring on �#83.-73, Evangelical Free Church, by Robert A. MacDonald, Station 19 Architects. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the public hearing closed at 9:12 p.m. . MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Goodspeed, to �recommend to City Council approval of Specia7 Use Permit Request, SP #83-13, Evangelical Free Church, b.y Robert A. MacDonal d, Stati on 19 Archi tects : Per Secti•on .20�.071.�,;3, B, of the �ridley City Code, to allow the construction. of ,an additton t;� an extsting church, approximately 90 ft. by 100 ft., in R-].Zoning (one-family dwe77ings), on Parcel 300 in the West half �f the East half of the Northeast Quarter of Section 11, tfie same being 755 - 73rd Avenue N.E., with the stipulation that tFie draina�e plans be finalized by City Staff. The Planning Commission also recommends that the 24 stalls on the east side of the property bE e7iminated and that the 8 stalls be added back in on the future gymnasium site, leaving the proposed driveway in. - llpon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel dec],ared the�mDtion carried unanimously. Ms. Schnabel stated this special use per.mit request rva�ja;g� go.�t�. �i,x�-�ouncil on December 19th. Mr. Boardman stated that if the 24 stalls are eliminated, would it be.the Planning Commission's recommendation to put in a concre-te curb that.:i,� required along the driveway or should a temporary blacktop curb be put in so lf additional stalls are needed, concrete curbs would �n�t.ha�e to be torn out? The Cor.�missioners agreed that in order to leave this area open for;:�future expansion of parking stalls, they would rec�mmend the eurbing-be constructed of asphalt. 3. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 3, 1983, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINlIT�S: `, MOTION by Mr. Goodspeed, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the Nov. 3, 1983, � uman esources Commission minutes. . r PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING,�DECEMBER 7, 1983 �� PAGE 8 ,�-� Mr. Goodspeed stated the Planning Commission members had received a copy of the "Guidelines f.�^'Ap.p�ications for �unding for Social Services" that was approved by the Human Resources Cor►�nission at their Dec. 1 meeting. S Mr. Boardman stated he would like the Plannsng Commission to review these guidelines as he would like tF►e City Counci7 to review them at their �9'ec: 19th meeting.�� ' � Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the minutes received. The�Commissior��r�viewed the gui�elines making the following two changes: Item II � eliminate the words, "for the procedure" Item II•A - eliminate the word, "successfully",in the fourth line MOTION by'Ms: Gabel, second�d by ENr. Kondrick, to recommend to City Council ��ie approval o�F �he "Guidelines for Applications for Funding for Social Services" as amended. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 4. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 10, 1983, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Goodspeed, to r.eceive the Nov. 10, 1983, Ff—nu ng & Redevelopment Authority minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 5. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 22, 1983, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Svanda, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the Nov. 22, 1983, nE�v ronmental Quality Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. 6. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 21, 1983, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to receive the Nov. 21, 1983, a� rks & Recreation Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the motion carried unanimously. � � i � ,' :, ,n`�� .,-:- , � PLANNI�JG COMMISSION MEETiNG; DECEf�JBER� 7, 1983 �-'��� �" �'�°"°"��"`F� � -'� PA6E 9 . . . � r�f).: ' jYJK' -, .. � 7. RECEIVE NOVEMBER 29, 1983,i APPEALS COMMISS�ON MIMUTE�: -. � ,�� MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the Nov. 2��, 1983, ppea s Comnission minutes. , , , ,.4:, , . � - ., �:. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairwoman Schnabel declared the r►t�tion carried unanimously. 8. OTHER BUSINESS: " �,,� �;-�_., Mr. Boardman stated ti�e December 21, 1983, P'lanning���rnm�,ssion meeti�g had been cancelled. . ,r.� r :;�-� ADJOURNMENT: � „ : � �-, - MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded �y.Mr. Saba, ��:.adjour� �he m�et3ng. 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