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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 11, 1984
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairwoman Schnabel called the January 11, 1984, Planning Commission meeting
to order at 7:37 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Kondrick,
Mr. Goodspeed
Members Absent: Mr. Saba, Mr. Svanda
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Allen Fehn, 1251 Hillwind Rd.
Allen Singer, 1450 Rice Creek Rd.
Carol Fassett, 1001 Lynde Dr.
Janice & Charles Sheridan,1313 Hillwind Rd.
Bob Aldrich, Fridley Fire Chief
APPROVAL OF DECEMBER 7, 1983, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: �
� MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY l�Z. OQUIST � TO APPROVE TXE DEC. 7� 1983�
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES.
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Mr. Goodspeed made the following addition on page 6, between paragraphs 1�
and 2: "Mr. Goodspeed asked how many parking stalls there were on the east
side of the parking lot after the width was corrected."
UPON A VDICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLAItED T1YE MINUTES
APPROVED AS AMENDED.
1. PUBLIC HEp
�����R�� R���� CJIHItJ �r HLLtIY rthN: �eing a replat of Part of Lots 1
an , u itor s Subdivision No. 94, and highway turnback property at
the Northeast Quadrant of I-694 and TH 65 on Hillwind Road.(See public
hearing notice for complete description.)
1�tOTION BY MR. KONDRIQC� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING
ON PS #83-01 BY ALLEN FEBN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TXE
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:41 P.M.
Mr. Boardman stated there is a section of property that actually goes along
the bottom of the hillside that was part of state right-of-way. That state
right-of-way has all been turned back to±to the City. The City is looking
at turning back a portion �of the state right-of-way that is now city right-
of-way to the property owner making this entire section as buildable property.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 11, 1984 PAGE 2
Mr. Boardman stated tf�ere is a proposal for the splitting off of the property
and making all the section from R-2 all the way up and including the City
right�of-way as a buildable project. He stated Mr. Fehn is not only
requiring the preliminary plat, but is also requesting a rezoning (item 2).
Mr. Boardman stated the proposal Mr. Fehn is requesting is for 8 townhouse-
type rental units side by side with access to Hillwind Road and under-unit
parking. It will all be done on one lot. There are no individual lots so it
i� not a townhouse development. He is doing it this way for the eventual
possibility of splitting off for condominiums.
Mr. Boardman stated Mr. Fehn was in the audience.
Mr. Fehn stated they have a very complicated situation here. He stated it
is a very difficult piece of property because of the turnback and R1, R2,
and R3 zoning. He would like to develop it in a manner so that it becomes
a viable piece of property for the City and for himself. He stated he is
proposing to the City of Fridley that if they will turn a portion of the
turnback to him, he will develop it. He stated he also owns the existing
double bu�galow on Parcel C.
Mr. Fehn s�ated the problem with the property in Parcels B and � is that it
is all on a hill. There is no sewer available to this area. There is water
coming down on Hillwind Road, and they can extend electrical and gas from
the house he owns. He is proposing to put in the proper sewer structures to �
facilitate the constr.uction he is proposing. �
Mr. Fehn stated the property the City now owns is somewhat possible to build
on if it is tied in with the other parcels. The property would be used to
facilitate a driveway in from Hillwind Road to these buildings. He stated
the buildings will be built into the side of the hill. They will be 3-story
buildings--garage on the bottom level, living quarters on the second level,
and bedrooms on the third level.
MOTION BY 1�IIt. GOODSPEED� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC XEARING
ON P.S. �83-OZ BY ALLEN FEHN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCfINABEL DECLARED TXE PUBLIC
XEARING CLOSED AT 8:01 P.M.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Boardman when the City would make the decision on
whether or not to release the turnback property.
Mr. Boardman stated this will all be considered by the City Council at one
time. When the City Council is considering the preliminary plat, rezoning,
etc., they will also be considering the turnback release.
Mr. Oquist stated he thought the replat was a viable thing in order to make
a buildable plat.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY �1, 1984 PAGE 3
%-=� MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SEC�ONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. �83-01, WESTERN RIDGE ESTATES, BY ALLE111
FEXN, BEING A REPLAT OF PARTS OF LOTS 1 AND 2, AUDITOR"S SUBDIVISION NO. 94,
AND XIGHWAY TURNBACK PROPERTY AT THE NORTAEAST QUADRANT OF I-694 and TH 65 ON
HILLWIND ROAD, WITH THE FOLIrOWING STIPULATIONS:
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Z. 15 FT. DRAINAGE/UTILITY EASEMENT THAT GDES TXROUGX THE CENTER OF TI�fE
PROPERTY WHERE THE EXISTING DRAINGE GOES.
2. ID FT. SLOPE EASEMENT ALONG NILLWZND ROAD FOR SNOW STORAGE.
3.
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ANY IMPROVEMENT ON STORM SEWER THRDUGH PROPERTY BE AT EXPENSE OF THE
DEVELOPER. `
STORM WATER QUALITY AND pUANTITY AGREEMENT WITN AA7ACENT PROPERTY TO TXE
NORTA.
5. APPROVAL OF THE RICE CREEK WATERSAED DISTRZCT WITA ALL PLANS FOR DRAINAGE
COMING TO THE CZTY ENGINEER FOR APPROVAL.
6. LIFT STATION BE PLACE IN SUCH A MENNER ON TAE SITE SO TAE CITY CAN i00K
FOR FUTURE GRAVITY FLOW TO THE NORTH.
7. PARK FEE REQUIREMENT.
The petition, Mr. Fehn, was in agreement with these stipulations.
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D�'G�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CflAIRWOMAN SCXNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #83-04, BY ALLEN FEHN: Rezone any
part of Proposed Lot 1, Western R�dge Estates, to R-3 that is not already
zoned R-3 (general multiple dwellings) as part.of the Lot is zoned R-1 (one
family dwellings) and R-2 (two family�: dwellings) to allow the development of
an 8�unit townhouse type of development; and rezone any part of proposed Lot 2,
Western Ridge Estates to R-2 (two family dwellings)tFbat is not already zoned
R-2 (part of the lot is zoned R-1 (one family dwellings) for an existing double
bungalow at 1250 Hillwind Road (See public hearing notice for complete
legal description).
MOTI�N BY 1�• KQNDRICK� SECCNDED BY XS. GASEL, TO OPEN TNE PUBI,IC XEARINC
ON ZOA �+83-04 BY ALLEN ���
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AIB, CXAZRWOMAN SCXNABEL DEC,LARED TXE
PU9LIC EEARING OPEN AT 8:I1 p.m�
Mr. Boardman stated that. essentially, what they are trying to do with this
request is clean up the zoning so it is contiguous with the lot lines.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Fehn to outline what he was proposing.
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Mr. F�hn stated he is asking for a rezoning to R-3 to clean up the zoning /"�
in owder to facilitate the development of a townhouse-type development for
rental application. In the R-3, he is proposing a double bungalow and then
three other structures. essentially six units tied together. In order to get
the units built into the hill, get a road around the back� put in water and
sewer, and make this project a financially viable situation, he is asking for
��is �ype of pezaning. In order to accomnodate townhouses, he has to be in
�-3. If �t remained R-2 zoning and he relegated the develppment to double
bungalows. it would not made any sense economically.
Mr. F�h� stated the double bungalow would be of the same quality as the one
he i� �iving in. The rental unit he presently has rents for $650/month.
The other units will rent for approximately the same price. He has to have
high quality, high rental units, in order to facilitate the cost of the units
and to facilitate the number of units he is proposing.
Mr. Knndrick asked about the square footage per floor in the townhouses.
Mr� Fehn stw�e� per floor, there would be about 600 sq. ft.. 1200 sq. ft.
of rental with the two floors plus the garage unit below plus storage.
Total for all three levels was 1.800 ca. ft. The double bunaalow would have
a slightly different configuration. That 2-story building would be
compa�able in size to the existing one which is about 1,100 sq.�t. of
living space plus garage.
Ms. Gabel asked if any variances were needed on the northerly corner. �
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Mr. Boardman stated that Mr. Fehn will be going through a variance process
also. Those variance requests will be going through the appeals process
and all requests will go to the City Council at the same time.
Mr. Fehn stated he is also proposing an underground storage/maintenance
structure, 35 ft. x 40 ft.. in the northeast corner. The entrance to that
building will face west.
Ms. Gabel asked why Mr. Fehn was proposing a double bungalow instead of
just making continuous townhouse units.
Mwv Fehn stated there is a culvert coming across from the freeway that pre-
determines what he can do with the property. It provides a drainage easement
between the two properties. .
Msa ��hnabel asked about drainage around the units.
Mra ��hn stated that was a difficult problem and one of the costly aspects
�� t�is project because of the steep hill. He stated they do have a plan
t� ta�e care of the drainage.
�r. �oardman stated this will require Rice �reek Watershed District approval.
Pt�. Schnabel asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to �
make any comnents.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 11, 1984 PAGE 5
'`� Mr. Charles Sheridan. 1313 Hillwind Rd., stated he was concerned that with
� the re2oning to R-3, they would be opening the door to more R-3 developments
in this area. As far as traffic. it is going to make it more difficult
because they are in a closed area and it is a hard area to get in and out of.
There is already a terrible traffic problem.
Ms. Carol Fassett, 1001 Lynde Dr., stated that if the land is rezoned to
R-3, Mr. Fehn is proposing a total of 8 units. With the square footage of
the property, how many units would be possible? ,
Mr. Boardman stated that with the square footage, Mr. Fehn could�put.in a
total of 12 units. If the land remained R-2, he could put in 6 units.
Ms. Schnabel asked when Mr. Fehn proposed starting construction.
Mr. Fehn stated that if all the requests are approved, he hoped to start
construction in the spring. The financial situation looks favorable.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Fehn if he planned to construct all the units at
one time or was he going to do a phase at a time?
Mr. Fehn stated he would like to have that flexibility. He hoped to be
able to do it all at one time� but if he would have to do it in segments,
he would like that option. Hopefully, it would all be completed in 1984.
!�` Ms. Schnabel stated the comment was made that there would be the potential
� in the future for selling the units off as condominiums. She asked
Mr. Boardman how that would be handled in terms of the land itself.
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Mr. Boardman stated that generally a condominium plat is a plat that is
submitted directly to the county. There would be an association. The lot
underneath the units is not split, just the units themselves are split.
So, all the land, including the land under the buildings, is owned commonly
by the association.
Ms. Schnabel asked if it was possible to split the units into townhouses.
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Mr. Boardman stated it was possible. There would have to be a replat,
because therP would be a splitting of land for townhouses, and there are
variance requirements. It w�uld still require an association.
Ms. Fassett stated that a couple of years ago, there was a proposal before
the planning Co�nission for an apartment complex behind the swamp back on
the hill. At that time, the neighborhood decided that what they could live
with in that area, because of the density of rental units already in this
area, was owner-occupied multiple dwelling units. She realized the units
proposed by Mr. Fehn were going to be high quality. but she wanted to register
some concern about these units being rental units. She would be much more
comfortable if Mr. Fe�n was building the units to sell. She stated she
lived right on the corner by the apartment buildings, and there are a lot
of traffic problems, children problems, and other problems associated with
living next door to an apartment building and the density of it. She stated
she had talked to some of her neighbors and this was the concern that came
from the neighbarhood.
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Mr. Kondrick siated he felt one thing that will come into play with this ��
�s that i# is going to zost a lot to build those units.
Nls. Ja��;� Sheridan, 1313 Hillwind Rd., stated it seemed they had their
sha�� of rental units in this area as compared to other areas in Fridley.
�s� �s�nn����l stat�d she realized the biggest drawback in this area was the
�n�ier°secti�e� at Old Central/Highway 65/Hackmann.
Mtr, �,�ardman �tated the Ci ty Counci 1 has channeled some CDBG moni es to do
traf�ic studies on that intersection, along with several other intersections.
There will be a major traffic analysis and recommendations from a consulting
firm.
Ms. Schnabel stated the Planning Commission would like to have a chance to
review that traffic analysis when it is done.
J�i':i Ci!' ' H: 1�lFt. d:t�A1DRZCR� SEC�VDED BY l�t. OQUZST � TO CLOSE TNE PUBLIC BEARING
Ol�'ZW�1 �$�3-•Od HY' �Lti'N FEIYN.
iJPOIJ A VOTCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNAIRWOMAN SC7�fNABEL DECLARED THE: PUBLIC
�1E�ZNG CLOiSED AT 8:50 P.M. ;
Mr. Goodspeed stated he had heard a lot of concern about more renters in
this neighborhood. As he understood it, a person can rent out a unit no �'
�atter wh�t ihe zoning, R1, R2, or R3. He stated that if the Planning ...._
Cormnission approded this zoning, was the rezoning contingent upon the plan
presented by Mr. Fehn?
Mr. Boardman stated it is sometimes done that way. Just a rezoning itself
does not necessarily restrict property to a development. What the City
Council has done in the past is to have the first and second reading on the
rezoning, �ut they will not publish the actual rezoning until the building
permit is applied for.
�s. SzF�nabel asked if the Planning Comnission could approve the rezoning
��ntingent upon this specific proposal. •
Mr°, Boardman stated they could put stipulations on the rezoning if they
chos� to d� so, but he did not know if there were any legal ramifications
at soin2 ��int down the line if the petitioner did not develop the property
as p�op�sed.
Mr. ��ndrick stated the property is such that the developer is pretty
limited �s to what can actually be built ther�.
Mr. Goodspeed stated the area they are talking about for rezoning is a very
small area compared to the larger picture. He stated there was also the
comnent about traffic. Regardless of what development goes in there, there
is going to be just as muct� traffic, whether rental traffic or homeowner
traffic. He stated he was in favor of the r�zoning.
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MOTION BY MR. GOOD SPEED, SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF REZONING REQUEST, ZOA i 83-04, BY ALLEY FEHN, T+O REZONE ANY PART
OF PROPOSED LOT 1� WESTERN RIDGE ESTATES, TO R-3 THAT IS NOT ALREADY ZONED R-3
(GENERAL MULTIPLE DWELLING$1 AS PART OF TXE LOT IS ZONED R-1 .(ONE FAMZLY DTdELLING�
AND R-2 (TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS) to a11ow the development of an 8-�UNIT TOWNHOUSE
TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT: AND REZONE ANY PART OF PROPOSED LOT 2, WESTERN RIDGE ESTATES,
TD R- �(TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS) TNAT IS NOT ALREADY ZONED R-2. .(P,�1RT ,OF TXE.,.IS ZONED
R-1 (ONE FAMILY DWELLINGS) FOR AN EXISTING DOIIBLE BUNGAL� �lT 125,1 XI.LZ�WI,ND ROAD,
WITX NO STIPULATIONS. �
UPON A VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECL�IRED THE'I�CaTIDN
CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY. �
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Mr. Boardman said these minutes would be going to the City Council on January
23rd and the Council would set the public hearing for February 27th.
3. LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. �83-06. BY ALLEN E. SINGER: Split off the
asterly 13 feet of Lots 1- 15, except that part platted as Heath�r Hills.
including adjacent 1/2 of alley, now vacated� along with dacated;.Colfax
Street as platted, naw vacated, along with the Westerly 27.26 feet of
Lot 10, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, except that part platted as R�ce
Creek Estates 2nd Addition, and except Parcel 1860 and 1870. to t�ake a
new building site, the same being 1490 Rice Creek Road N.E., located
between 1450 and 1500 Rice Creek Road N.E.
Mr. Boardman stated the petitioner is requesting to split off the easterly
portion of the property into two lots, one lot would be 74 ft. wide and
the other lot would he 73 ft. wide. The lots are very deep. 230 ft. and
215 ft. Mr. Singer is also going through the variance process on the width
of the lots from 75 ft. to 74 ft. and 13 ft. He stated the lot split will
not be established until the variances are granted. HP stated one stipu-
lation should be that all three new lots must be recorded at Anoka County
before permits are issued. Another stipulation would be for a 15 ft.
bikeway/walkway easement along Rice Creek Road.
MOTIQA EY 1yR. OQUIST � SECONDED BY 1�II2. GQ�DSPEED� TO REC(?�tMEND TO Cl2'i'
CDUNCIL APPRpy,�y OF LOT SPLIT REpUEST� L.S. l/B3-06, BY ALLEN E. SINGER,
TO SPLIT OFF TXE EASTERLY 13 FEET OF LOTS 1- 15� EXCEPT TXAT PART PLATTED
AS HEATXER AILLS� INCLUDING ADJACENT 1/2 OF ALLEY, NOW VACATED� ALpNG WITB
VACATED COLFAX STREET AS pLATTED� �V►pW yACATED, ALONG WITN THE WESTERLY
27.26 FEET OF LOT 10, AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISION NO. 22, EXCEPT THAT FART PLATTED
AS RICE CREEK ESTATES ZND ADDITION� AND EXCEPT PARCEL I860 AND 1870, TO
1NA1� A NEW 9UILDING SITE, TBE SAI�� BEZNG 1490 RICE CREEK ROAD NoE. � LOCATED
9ET�IEEN Z450 AND 1500 RICE CREEK ROAD N.E.� WITH THE FOLLOWZNG STIPULATIONS:
I. 15 FT. BII�WWAY/WALKWAY EASEI�NT AZ�ONG RICE CREEK ROAD
2. PARK FEE
3. ALL THREE LOTS MUST 3E RECORDED AT ANOKA COUNTY BEl�1pRE ANy
PERMITS ARE ISSUED.
UPON A VDICE VOTE, AZ.L yOTING AYE� CBAZRWOMAN SQiAABEL DECLARED Z'XE 1rlOTION
Gs1RRIED i7N1lNIMOUSLY.
Mr. Boardman stated this request and the variance request would go to
City Council on Feb. 6.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 11, 1984 PAGE 8
�. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOS�D ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER _�''`�
�F NC FRIDLEY CITY CODE ENTITLED ZONI�G BY DDING SECTION 205.0 8 '
� FIRE PRdT��T�ON �E UI�EMENTS AND MAKING SOP9E CHAMGES IN SECTIONS 205.04
.-. 205.04�°��zQ�a�73, 2Q5,074, 205.086, 205. 21, 05. 31, 05. l, 05. 51,
- 205o Y63� � ;65e 1 �1�AND �05.182
l�lOTZOAI �Y- l9�4. GCi�DSPEED, SE'QDNDED BY 1NR. KONDRICK� TO QPEN TSE PUBLZC
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� UPON A,_VDSCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRWOMAN SQiNABEL DECLARED THE
pi1�LIC eIFARZN� �F�N �1T 9:22 P.1�t.
; F��^.. �ob ,�1 dri ch, Fi re Chi efJ for the Ci ty of Fri dl ey, stated some back-
grour�d i�nf�r�mati �n' mi ght be helpful to the P1 anni ng Corr�ni ssi on in under-
.�standing=�rhy �th�y are proposing to put what appears to be a construction
��` feature in ihe Zc,ning Code.
Mro Aldri�h st�ated that prior to 1980 when the State of Minnesota adopted
� :�e. �� Buil�d'i'ng Code which was a mini/maxi code (meaning they could not be
�' ��_a�y', `1�`s�" tha� �r �ny greater than the code), they had a feature in their
� :`1-ac�iT�°�rdinances that treated building codes that set certain limits that
were defined as fire limits,and within those limits, they had some rather
restrictive controls on the size of commercial, industrial, and.multiple
dw�lling buildings. With the adoption of the code in 1980, the State
knocked out the a�ility of local governments to incorporate fire limits
'��s part of �he building code; and in doing so. they knocked out a
�considerable degree of fire protection requirements the City had, going
alma�st back to 19G5 when he worked with the code.
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Mr. Aldrich stated there has been a considerable amount of agitation
throughout the state by fire service people and himself in that they did
not feel the State should pre-empt local units of government from deter-
mining what levels of fire protection the community should accept. That
was the opinion of most of the fire chiefs in the state.
- �:Mro.���rich st�ted that after a lot of pressure from the fire service,
.o�Yie,�. wer� able to get the State to acquiesce and develop a:document that
�s `�cno►an a� Appendir. E, which is primarily a sprinkler ordinance. Once
- ���gatin, the State did the same thing, they presumed to tell local units of
°- �.go�iernment that they either buy it all or not buy any of it at all.
Mro Aldrich stated he took Appendix E before the City Council. They had
�. th�,ir first reading on it, and the City Council and City Administration
'''-` •�sk'�d him to look through the community seeking input. He stated he did
%hi�=; prim�r�a�y through the Chamber of Commerce. He stated Appendix E is
_ � considerably mcare restrictive than what he is proposing they put in the
- ' Zoning Code now. He stated two comments were received, and both comments
were cleared up after explaining the standards. The concerns primarily
dealt.�aith retroactivity� and there isn't a retroactive feature per se in
App��_dix E. There is a retroactive feature in Section 205.048 which they
are proposing be added to the Zoning Code. ,—�
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING� JANUARY 11, 1984 PAGE 9
Mr. Aldrich stated that brings them to.where they are now. He could perhaps
�`"'` go back to the City Council and get a.second reading on Appendix E which is
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- even more restrictive than is necessary in the City,of.�;Fridley.; The reason
they are looking at the Zoning Code as the place to �a�r��o�this particular
standard is because it is a rather brdad spectrum~ordi�a�ce that deals with
the general health, safety, and welfare of the communi:t �nd� also sets
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standards in other areas of constructi�or. so, at least in hi�s ��opi'i�i;�n, there
is a nominal and coincidental link between building construction standards
i n the Zoni ng Code. _ _� . _ ,z., . _ -
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Mr. Aldrich stated that after discussing this with some�other��staff people
in the City and Mr. Qureshi, City Manager, and in keeping �ith.h�is own
feelings that Appendix E is rtrore restrictive than is necessary, they felt
_ the best way was to put this in the Zoning Code. The p�r;ocedure.`f.or Zoning
Code amendments require that they be handled through �he Planning Commission
with a public hearing.
Mr. Aldrich stated there are 2-3 areas that carry a_:.lot �t�f impac�' �s far as
he was concerned. One of the chief areas is that b�i .spriitk];ing �a�',building,
you increase the safety factor for fire fighters: markedly, :treduce; the risks
for them� and that is a very important aspect. �
Mr. Aldrich stated another think that is equally important,to the
community as a whole is that with the adoption of a requirement that
builders and developers assume some of the burden�of fire protection in
A���., their own right as opposed to making it a public burden all the way, they
can limit to a high degree the resource commitment of the community* as
far as providing fire protection. He would suggest he could probably get
by with 1/8 of the fire department personnel he has�now if he had.nothing
more to protect than single family residences. So, it"does have an
economic impact upon the comnunity as a whole and makes the job a lot
safer for those who do it.
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Mr. Aldrich stated they feel that what they are proposing rea'ly,strikes
a happy medium. He felt the benefits to the comnunity as a wholerfar
outweighed the disadvantages to the individual builder. As fire.chief,
his primary role was to do what was in the best interests of the"g.reatest
number of people in the con�nunity. He stated Brooklyn Center arid ;Plymouth
are even more restrictive than the state and it has not hampered"development
in those two communities.
Ms. Gabel stated she did not feel the members of the Planning �orrrni.ssion
were knowledgeable enough to argue with what Mr. Aldrich was recommending.
She stated she respected what he did. She had a lot of faith in his
recommendation, and if he felt this was in the best interests of the people
of Fridley, she was comfortable with that recommendation.
Ms. Schnabel agreed and stated that with some of the new constr,ucti:on that
is going on like motels and hotels, she felt it was important to �,ave
something like Mr. Aldrich was proposing. .
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�: Mr'.' , Al dri ch �ta��d , that i f'the' t�mb�rs� o'� the Pl anni ng Cortmi s si on ever had
.� any. ques�io�3,� tftey .�e to fee�t _��free �. call him at the office.
;.�I�.. ,S�hn�:��l t���ked I�r. Al dri ch"Vfor c�ani ng to the meeti ng and expl ai ni ng
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