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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSIO�� MEETINC, MARCH 28, 1984
CI4LL TQ ORDER:
Chairwoman Schnabel called the March 28, 1984, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:37 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabe7, Mr. Svanda, Mr. Saba,
Mr. Minton (for Mr. Goodspeed)
Members Absent: Mr. Kondrick
Others Present: Jim Robinson, Planning Specialist
Tom Blomberg. 1661 Camelot Lane
Herb Baco�, 159 Logan Parkway
Tom Moore, 6580 Central Ave. N.E.
Bob Burdick, 1316 - 66th Ave. N.E.
APPROVAL OF PIARCH 14, 1984, PLANNING COMMISSIOP� MINUTES:
� MOi ION BY 1�LS. GABEL, SECONDED BY 1�2. OQUIST, TO APPROVE THE MARCX 19, 1984,
_ PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
1. PURLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PLAT P.S. �84-02 HIDDEr� WOODS BY
P1A5 E. BLOMBERG: Being a replat of the Southerly 33 feet of Lot 6,
a ong wit Lot , except the South 5 feet of the West 150 feet and
except the East 100 feet of the West 250 feet; along with all of
Lot 13, all in Revised Auditor's Subdivision No. 10, generally located
in the 6500 Block of Central Avenue.
l90xION BY MR. SVANDA, SECONDED BY 1�t. MINTI7N, TO OPEN TXE PUBLIC HEA.RING
ON P.S. �184-02 BY THOMAS E. BIAMBERG.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAI�JOINAN SCXNABEL DECLARED TXE
PUBLIC ilEARIAG OPEN AT 7:39 P.M.
Mr. Robinson stated the property was located north of Mississippi St.
and east of Central Ave. and involved the replatting of 3.1 acres of land
into 9 lots.
Mr. Robinson stated that all nine lots are up to code except for one lot,
Lot 6, which is undersized and has some setback variances because of an
existing house on Lot 5 which is 5 ft. from the proposed notherly property
,� line. Lot 6 is 8,890 sq. ft. and the front yard setback is proposed to be even
_ with the existing house, both would then be setback 60'. He stated Staff has
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discussed this in-house and with Mr. Blomberq and they felt this was the
solution for this particular lot because of the existinq house on Lot 5.
Mr. Robinson stated Staff would recommend the following stipulations if
the plat is approved:
1. Signed parks fee agree�ent of $13,500 for the 9 lots
�. Pl�{iroval of plat with variances on Lots 5 and o ._
(a) Lot 6 to be 8,890 square feet
(b) Front yard will to be approximately 60 ft. at proposed setback
(c) Existing house on Lot 5 to be 5 ft. from new lot line to the north.
3. If garage is located on south side of Lot 6, a fire wall should
be provided.
4. Agree to pay all applicable assessments; street, water, storm sewer,
sanitary sewer.
5. Agree to record plat at County prior to issuance of building permits.
6. Remove the existing garage on Lot 6.
Mr. Robinson stated that Mr. Blomberg basically agreed with these stipulations
except for the park fee.
Mr. Blomberg stated his question on the park fee was the fact that he has an �
existing structure that he is subdividing 8 7ots away from. Is that treated
like a subdivision from an existing dwelling? He realized he had to pay a �
park fee on 8 lots. but should fie have to pay it for 9, when there is an
existing dwelling on one lot? It is not a bare piece of land.
Mr. Robinson stated it was his understanding that this was a 9-lot plat,
and Mr. Blomberg was being charged a park fee for all 9 lots.
Ms. Schnabel stated she was not sure about this. In a residential lot split,
the park fee is $750 per lot. By taking one piece of land and splitting it
in half, does a person pay $750 for both lots for a total of $1,500 or was
it $750 for the lot split?
Mr. Blomberg stated this was a cross between a couple of different types of
property. Should they treat the house as a lot that he is subdividing? He
did not think they should treat the house as a 9th lot.
Mr. Oquist stated this was an interesting point, and it was something that
should be defined by Staff.
Ms. Gabel stated she felt the City has a problem with park fees. She thought
the City Council had a firmly established policy that the City Council works
with at their level. It was her understanding that thepark fee was on each
lot, whether or not there was a dwelling on it, but she could be Nrong.
Mr. Blomberg stated he has never seen a single lot split in the City where %"'�.
the City charged $750 for the lot he already had and another $750 for the lot _
he was creating. It was just $750 for the lot split.
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Ms. Gabel stated she understood what Mr. Blomberg was saying, and the
Planning Commission should ask for a guideline so they know how to answer
this question when it comes up again in the future.
Ms. Schnabel stated tF�e Planni�g Commission obviously was not in a position
to answer Mr..Blomberg's question at tfiis meeting. She stated that, as had
been suggested, the Planning Commission would like to get someone from Staff
to get a clarification on the park fee 6efore this plat goes to the City
Council.
Mr. Oquist stated the clarification should also be brought back to the
Planning Commission to clear up their understanding,
Ms. Schnabel asked if tf�ere were any comments from people in the audience.
Mr. Bob Burdick, 1316 - 66th Ave. N.E., stated he was concerned with the size
of Lot 6. It was not in character in the Fridley suburban area to put a
house on tF�at smal l a 1 ot.
Ms. Schnabel stated the Zoning Code allows for a minimum lot size of 9,000
sq, ft. What Mr. Blomberg is proposing is a lot of 8,890 sq. ft. which is
110 sq, ft, short of the Zoning Code which is not very much. There are many
n ]ots in Fridley that are much smaller tFian that. This will require a
variance on the lot size whicf� wi17 be granted with the plat. �4r. Blomberg
will have to meet tF�e setback requirements. If F�e cannot meet those setback
requirements, he will have to go tf�rough the appeals process for a variance.
Ms. Gabel stated she was the chairperson of the Appeals Commission. She
stated one of the things that is necessary to grant a variance was a hardship.
Mr. Blomberg does have a hardship here in that the house on Lot 5 is an
existing house. The variance wasn't very large. Even if he were to go
through the appeals process, it was very likely the variance would be granted
6ecause it is not a very big variance and he does have a�hardahip.
MOTION BY MR. SABA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEAP.ING ON
PS �I84-02 BY THOMAS BLOMBERG.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPIOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEARING CLOSED AT 8:15 P.M.
Ms. Gabel stated she thought this plat was certainly consistent with what
they are looking at doing for this whole area. She was not rea7 happy
with the size of the one lot, but she did not know of any alternatives.
Mr. Blomberg said he could build a house on that lot; and, having seen some
of �is work, she be7ieved he would put a house on that lot that was appropriate.
She would be in favor of recorr�nending approval of the plat.
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MO'1'ION BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED BY 1�II2. 1NINTON, TO RECOMI►�ND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. �J84-02, XIDDEN WOODS, BY TXOMAS E. BLOMBERG,
BEING A REPLAT OF TIiE SOUTXERLY 33 FEET OF LOT 6� ALONG WITX LOT 7, EXCEPT
THE SOUTN 5 FEET OF TGtE WEST 150 FEET AND EXCEPT THE EAST 100 FEET OF TNE
WEST 250 FEETj AIANG WITH ALL OF LOT 13�ALL ZN REVISED AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISION
NO. 10, GENERALLY LOCATED IN T7iE 6500 BLOCIC OF CENTRAL AVEI7UE� WITH THE
FOLLOWING STIPULATIQNS:
1. SIGNED PARKS FEE AGREEMENT OF 513,500
2. Approval of plat with variances on Lot 5 and 6
(a) Lot 6 to be 8,890 sq. ft.
(2) Front yard wi11 be approximately 60 feet at proposed setback
(3) Existing house on Lot 5 to be 5 ft. from new lot line to the north.
3. IF GARAGE IS LOCATED ON SOUTX SIDE OF LOT 6, A FIRE WALL
SXOULD BE PROVIDED.
9. AGREE TO PAY ALL APPLICABLE ASSESSl�NTS--STREET, �IATER,
STORM SEWER, SANITARY SEWER
5. AGREE TO RECORD PLAT AT COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF
BUILDING PERMIT
6. REMOVE THE EXISTING GARAGE ON LOT 6
7. THE PARK FEE BE CLARIFIED WITX RESPECT TO THE EXISTING
XDUSE AND TXE LOT, AND THAT THIS CLARIFICATION ALSD BE
GIYEN TO TXE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE�ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWC�lAN SCXNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION �--
CARRIED UNANII�lOUSLY.
2. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING RE UEST ZOA #84-01, BY THONAS E. BLOMBERG:
Rezone the Easter y 200 feet of t e Westerly 250 feet of ��,�evised
Auditor's Subdivision No. 10, from C-2 (general business) and R-2 (two
family dwellings), to R-1 (one family dwellings), and rezone from R-2
(two family dwellings) to R-1 (one family dwellings) the South 33 feet
of the East 168 1/2 feet of the westerly 218 1/2 feet of Lot 6, Revised
Auditor's Subdivision No. 10.
MOTION BY MR. OQUIS^', SECONDED BY l�II4. SABA, TO OPEN TXE PUBLIC HEARIPIG ON
ZOA �i84-Ol BY THOMAS E. BLOl�lBERG.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CNAIRHOMAN SCHNABEL DECLAP.ED THE PUBLIC
ilEARING OPEN AT 8:21 P.1H.
Mr. Robinson stated the proposed rezoning to R-1 was in keeping with the
proposed plat.
AlOTICaN BY MR. SABA, SEODNDED BY MR. OQUIST, T'O CLOSE TNE PUBLIG HEARING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CNAIRWO�MAN SCHNABEL DECL�IRED Z'FIE PUBLIC
BEARING CIASED AT 8:24 P.!!.
Mr. Oquist stated this just makes the zoning consistent with the whole ^
plat, and be would be in favor of recorr�nending approval. �
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MOTION BY MR. OpUIST, SECONDED BY l�2. SVANDA, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF REZONING REpUEST� ZOA #84-OI� BY THOMAS E. BIAMBERG� TO REZONE
THE EASTERLY 200 FEET OF Tf1E WESTEP.LY 250 FEET OF LOT 7� REVISED AUDITOR'S
SUBDIVISION NO. 10� FROM C-2 (GENERAL BUSINESS) A1�1D R-2 (TWO FAMILY
DWELLINGSJ TO R-1 (ONE FAMILY DWELLINGS), AND TO REZONE FI�M R-2 (TWO
FAMILY DY7ELLINGSj TO R-1 (DNE FAMILY DWELLINGSJ TXE SOUTA 33 FEE2 OF TXE
EAST I68 I/2 Fh'ET OF THE WESTERLY 2I8 1/2 FEET OF LOT 6� REVISED AUDITOR'S
SUBDIVISION NO. I0.
UPON A VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHAABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnabe] stated both the plat and rezoning request would go to
City Council on May 7, 1984.
3. RECEIVE MARCH 8, 1984, HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO RECEIVE THE MARCH 8, 1984,
XDUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTXORITY MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE MARCH 13, 1984, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMEPJT COMMiSSinN MINUTES•
MOTION BY MR. OpUI5T, SECONDED BY 1�2. MIN2�ON, TO RECEIVE THE MARCH 13, Z984�
COPIMUNITY DEVELOPI�NT COMMISSION MINUTES.
Ms. Schnabel stated there was an article in the paper about Coon Rapids'
new Budget Review Commission. It is a citizen review of the city budget.
The commission looks at the budget from a 1-yr, standpoin�h and a 5-yr.
ste�dpoint, in that they see from what areas the money comes into the city
and how that money is being spent. They review the process to see if they
can make any recommendations regarding either increasing or decreasing the
budget or the size of a particular department, or any a7ternatives they can
suggest. She stated this has apparently been very helpful to the Coon Rapids
City Council. The Council members appreciate the time that is taken to
review the budget from a citizen standpoint and from a non-involved standpoint.
Ms. Schnabel saggested that the Community Development Commission might want
to look at this in terms of either looking at i.t themselves or setting up a
project committee and then discussing it with the City Council.
Mr. Oquist asked Staff to include this article with the Community Development
Commission's April agenda.
UPON A VDICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DEC7�ARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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5. RECEIVE MARCH 15, 1984, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. MINTON, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TD RECEIVE TEE MAR. 15, 1984,
liUl!AN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES.
lJs. Gabel stated she was very surprised when she read in the minutes
that Ms. Kocher had contacted Tom Myhra, Director of Community Education,
regarding any community interest in a latch key program in the City of
�'ridley. Mr. Myhra fiad said fie had done some extensive searcF�ing in the
community to see if there was a need for such a program and had not
received any response. She stated she did not know what kind of research
Mr, Myhra had done, but she knew so many parents in`the community who would
jump at the chance to have a latch key program. She stated she was one of
those parents. She stated sf�e has never received any literature or informa-
tion asking whether or not there was a need for such a program. She felt
there was a definite need. She asked Mr. Minton to take these comments
back to the Commission and discuss this again. She stated she was very
sure there was a need in tFe community for a latch key program.
Mr. Minton stated he would take Ms. Gabel's comments back and discuss this
again with the Human Resources Commission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TIIE MOTION
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CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION BY 1�2. MINTON� SECONDED BY 1�2. OQUIST, TO APPROVE AND SUBMIT THE
XUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION�S 1984 WORK P7�AN TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMDUSLY.
6. OTHER BUSINESS:
a. APA National Planning Conference, May 5-9, 1984, St. Paul
Ms. Schnabel stated this was open to the Planning Commission members
if any of tF�e members were interested in attending this conference.
She asked Mr. Robinson to include the conference agenda in the next
Planning Commission agenda so they could discuss it again at the next
meeting.
The Commission members felt it would be very beneficial to have
Jim Robinson of the Planning Dept, attend this conference.
1NOTION BY MR. OpUIST� SECONDED BY MR. SABA, TO RECOMMEND THAT THE
CITY SEA1D JI1N ROBINSON TO TbtE APA NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE ON
MAY 5-9, 1984.
UPON A VDICE VOTE�ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE �
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. _
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ADJOURWMENT:
MOTION BY HR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MIZ. MINTON, TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A
VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWUMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MAR. 28� I984�
PLANNING COMMISSION ME'ETING ADJOURNED AT 9:20 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Recording Secretary
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