PL 03/19/1986 - 6864PLANNING COE�IISSION MEETING
City of Fridley
A G E N D A
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 79, 1986 7:00 P.M,
Location: Council Chamber (upper level)
C r.L TO 0 ER:
ROLL CALL.:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMiSSTpN TNUTES• FEBRUARY 6 1986
PUBL.rC HEARTNG• GONSTDERATION OF A SPEGrAL DeF
PERMIT. SP #ffi-0'V BY BRADLEY DUNHrLM•
Per Section 205.07.1, C, 2 of the Fridley City Code,
to allov a daycare facility in a residential
district, on Lots 18, 19, 20 and 21, Block 3, Oak
Grove Addition, the same being 6633 Arthur Street
N. S.
2. PUBLrG HEARTNG• CONSTDERATrON OF A PE 'rAr tSE
p MrT, SP #8fi-02 BY 0 PETROLSUM•
Per Section 205.15•1, C, 5 of the Fridley City Code,
to allow a motor vehiele fuel and oil dispensing
service, and per Section 205.15.1, C, 6 of the
Fridley City Code, to allow a motor vehicle xash
establishment on all that part of Lot 12, Auditor�s
Subdivision No. 155, which lies Easterly of a line
parallel with and distant 351 feet Westerly from the
East line of Section 23, T-30, R-24, Anoka County,
Minnesota, and the South 20 feet oP that part of Lot
11, Auditor�s Subdivision No. 155, whieh lies
Easterly of a line parallel with and distant 351 feet
Westerly from the East line of Section 23, T-30,
R-24, Anoka County, Minnesota, exce pt that part
thereof taken for Highway, the same being 5300
Central Avenue N.E.
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LILAC
YELLOW (At Meeting)
CI7Y OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMTSSIOtI t7EETIH6, FE6RUARY 26 , 1986
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Gabel called the February 27, 1986, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:33 p.m. �
ROLL CALL:
Mecibers Present: Pat Gabel, LeRoy Oquist, Wayne Wellan, Bob Minton, Dean Saba,
Donald Betzold
Menbers Absent: Oave Kondricl:
Otl�ers Present: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator
Fred & Doris Jones, 5905 Westbrook Rd. 55422
Richard �lalecek, 7136 East River Road
Tom BTomberg, 1661 Camelot Lane
Paul Dahlberg, 6664 East River Road
Kelly Doran, 2626 East 82nd St.
APPROVAL OF JAt1UARY 22, 1986, PLAN��ING COMMISSIOfJ �1INUTES:
MOTION BY 14R. WELLAtJ� SEC011DED BY MR. 3ABA� TO APPROVE THE JAN, 22� 2986� PLANNING
COIIMISSION MINUTES AS WRI:TEN.
UP6N A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTIOIJ CARRIED
UNANIMDUSLY,
1. PU[3LIC HEARII�G: COfdSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #8G-Ol. BY
Vantage Company s lCd�ion, by Vanta9e Companies, Inc., being a replat of
the southerly 452.64 feet of all that part of the southwest quarter of
the northwest quarter of Section 2, T-30, R-24, Anoka County, P1innesota,
lying westerly of State Trunk {ligliway 47, to be used as a shopping center,
the same being 8100 University Avenue N.E.
MOTZON BY MR. MINTOA'� SECONDED BY MR, BETZOLD� TO OPEN THE PUBLZC HF,ARING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL TR)TZNG AYE� CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED TNE PUBLIC
HEARING OPEN AT 7:34 P.M.
Mr. Robinson stated the property was located north of Slst and west of
University Ave. The petitioner was looking at platting 12.6 acres. Present
zoning was M-2, heavy industrial; however, the petitioner has petitioned_for
rezoning from M-2 to C-3 and C-2. It was originally planned to be rezoned to
all C-3, but with the submission of the plat, one lot when subjected to the
City's setback requirements, would have a quite small setback, so the zoning
on that lot was changed to C-2 to maintain a buildable usable lot.
PLANNING COM�M1ISSION MEETIN�, FEBRUARY 26 1986 PAGE 2
Mr. Robinson stated the entire project would be a phased project. The first
phase was the construction of the approx, 100,000 sq, ft. Wholesale Club.
The second phase would be 77,000 sq, ft, of additional retail, and additional
phases if the project is successful and tenants are required,
Mr. Robinson stated Staff was recommending the following stipulations:
1, plat to be recorded prior to rezoning being recorded.
2. Additional right-of-way to be provided consistent with
street improvements
3. Driveway onto 81st Ave. to be widened to three lanes.
4. Driveway onto the service road to be temporary; permanent
driveway to be located north of curve with Phase II construction.
5. Park fee consistent with area of lots on final plat to 6e paid
prior to recording.
Ms. Gabel asked if there was any information on the infornal Environmental
Assessnent Worksheet being required by the City.
Mr, Robinson stated they have written to the Environmental Quality Board,
and the response received from the EQS was that they did not see any negative
impact. Their primary concern was storm water run-off. Inasmuch as this
is bei�g taken care of with the same criteria as the Rice Creek Watershed
District, there shouldn't be any problems. He stated John Flora, Public Worics
Director,W�s coming to the meeting later to talk about water quality in th�s
area.
Mr, Ro6inson stated they also sent a letter to the ONR, but have not yet
received any response.
Mr. Kelly Doran, Vantage Compa�ies, stated they agree to the stipulations
as presented by Staff. They did want to clarify a little further one issue
regarding stipulation #2. What the City was desiring was an additional
7 ft, along the frontage road and 20 ft. along 81st Ave. They would like
these footages defined in the stipulation.
Ms. Gabel stated that in previous discussions, there has been talk about
16 ft. of peat in some places. If 16 ft, of peat is dug out of here which
holds a considerable amount of water, was the capacity of the pond able to
utilize the water that was being retained by the soil previously?
Mr. Doran stated they have hired the engir�eering firm, BRW, which has done a
considerable amount of work in the metropolitan area, They will provide as
part of the stipulations for rezoning a drainage plan that is consistent with
city code; that drainage plan will call for no more run-off post-development
than there was pre-development.
PL1WNIt�G COHHISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 26 1986 PAGE 3
MOTION BY MR. SABA� SECONDED BY MR, BETZOLD� TO CLOSE THE PUBLSC NEAR2IJG.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAZRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEAIZZNG CLOSED AT 7:49 P,M.
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MOTION BY MR, OQUSST� SECONDED BY MR. MINTON, SO RECOMMEND TO CZTY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF PRELZMZNARY pLAT� P,S. N86-01� BY VANTAGE COMPANIES� INC,:
VAPTTAGE COMPANp'S ADDITION� BY VAt4TAGE COMPANIES� ZNC.� BE777G A REPLAT OF
THE SOUTXERLY 452.64 FEET OF ALL THAT PRRT OF TNE SOUTXG:EST QUARTER OF TNE
NORTHWEST QUARTER OF SECSION 2� T-30� R-24� ANOKA COUNTY� MZNNESOTR� LYSNG
WESTERLY OF STATE TRUNK HZGHWRY 47� TO BE USED AS A SHOPPZNG CENTER� THE
SAIdE BEING B100 UNIVERZSTY AVEN[lE N.E.� WZTH THE FOLLOh�IN6 STIPULATIONSt
I. PLAT TO BE RECORDED PRIOA, TO REZONING BEZNG RECOP.DED.
2. ADDZSIONAL RIGHT—OF—WAY TO BE PROVIDED COf7SISTENT WITH STREET
IMPROVEMENTS--THAT RIGXT OF WAY TO BE 7 FT. AZANG THE FRONTAGE
ROAD AND 20 FT. AZANG 81ST AVE.
3. DRZVE[9RY ONTO 82SS AVENUE TO BE WZDENED TO THREE LANES.
9. DRZVEWRY ONTO THE S£RPIC£ ROAD TO BE TEMPORARYj PERMANENT
DRIVEWAY TO BE LOCATED NORTH OF CURVE WITH PHASE ZI CONSTRUCTION.
5, PARK FEE CONSZSTENT WITH ARER OF LOTS ON FZNAL PLA: TO BE PAZD
PRIOR TO RECORDING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Gabel stated this item would go to City Council on March 17.
2. COI�SIDERATION OF A LOT SPLIT, L.S. �86-01, BY THOMAS BLOMBERG:
Split off the south one half of Lot 4, Block 32, Hyde Par , together with
the east one half of the adjacent vacated alley and add to Lot 5, Block 32,
Hyde Park, to create a single family residence, and split off the north
one half of Lot 4, Block 32, Hyde Park, together with the east one half of
the adjacent vacated alley and add to Lot 3, Block 32, Hyde Park, to create
a single family residence, the same being 5738 - 7th Street N.E.
Mr. Robinson stated this property was located west of 7th St. and north of
57th Place, and involved three 44 ft. lots. Tfie property was zoned R-1 as
was most of the surrounding area. The proposal was to take the three lots
and create two 66 ft. lots.
Mr. Robinson stated Staff was recommending the following stipulations:
1. Existing house to be removed prior to issuance of a building
permit.
2. Park fee of �750 to be paid prior to issuance of a building
permit.
3. Lot split �o be recorded prior to issuance of a building permit.
4. Yariances for lot area from 9,000 sq. ft. to 8,905 sq. ft, and
lot width from 75 ft. to 66 ft. to be approved with lot split.
PLANNIN6 COh�ISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 26 1986 PAGE 4
Mr, Robinson stated that in this neighborhood, in general, there were quite
a few 65 ft, lots,
Mr. Oquist stated that in looking at the footprint, it appeared that the
proposed structure would meet all the setbacks, so the only variances
required were those outlined in the stipulations, '
Mr. Robinson stated that was correct. By code these variances may be approved
with the lot split.
MOTZON BY MR. SABA� SF,CONDED BY MR. WELLAN� TO RECOMMEND SO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF ZAT SPLIT REQilE'ST� L.S, H86-01� BY THOMAS BLOMBERG� TO SPLIT OFF
THF. SOJTH ONE XALF OF LOT 4� BIACK 32� HYDE PARX, TOGETHER WITX TNE EAST
ONE XALF OF THE ADJACENT VACATED ALLEY AND ADD TO LOT 5� BLOCK 32� HYDE PARK,
TO CREATE A SII7GLE FAMILY RESIDENCE� AND SPLIT OFF TXE NORTH ONE NALF OF
LOT 4� BLOCK 32, HYDE PARK, TOGE_THER EIiH THE EAST CNE XA L° OF THE ADJACENT
VACATED ALLEY AND ADD TD LOT 3� BLOCK 32� yYDE PAP.K� TC CREATE A SINGLE
FAMILY RESIDENCE� THE SAME BEING 5738 7TH STREET N,E., WITH TH4 FOLLOWITJG
STIPULATIONS:
1. EXIST'_*NG NOUSE TO BE REMOVED pRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDZNG PERMZT.
2. PARK FEE OF $750,00 TO BE PAID PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF R BUILDING PERMIT.
3. ZAT SPLIT TO BE RECORDED PRIOR TO ISSOANCE OF A BUILDZNG PERMIT.
9. V�tRIANCES FOR LOT AREA FROM 9�000 SQ. FT, TO 8�905 SQ, FT, AND
IAT WIDTN FROM 75 FT, TO 66 FT. TO BE APPROVED WITH IAT SPLIT.
UPONA VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Gabel stated this item would go to City Council on Plarch 17.
3. COIJSIDERATI01� GF A LOT SPLIT, L.S. 1186-02 BY RICHARD MALECEK:
Split off the west 90 feet of t at part o Lot 8, evised Auditor's Sub-
division No. 77 lying easterly of the following described line: beginning
at a point on the south line of said Lot 28 distant 315.64 feet west of the
southeast corner thereof; (said southeast corner being on the centerline of
East River Road)thence north at right angles to said south line to its inter-
section with the north line of said Lot 28 and there terminating, the same
beinq 7136 East River Road N.E.
Mr. Robinson stated this was the exception property of the Riverwood School
Plat. The property was located north of 71st and west of East River Road.
It was zoned R-1 as was the surrounding area. The proposal was to split off
the westerly 90 ft. creating a new lot in excess of 10,000 sq. ft. The new
lot would meet all code requirements, and would have access onto the new
Riverwood Drive.
Mr. Robinson stated 5taff was recomnending the foldowing stipulations:
IWG CQM�1ISSION I•tEETING. FE6RUARY 26, 1986
1. Provide City with a 25 ft. bikeway/walkway easement along
East River Road.
2. Wew house front yard setback to follow curve of street.
3. Split to be recorded prior to issuance of building permit.
4. Park fee of $750 to be paid prior to building permit. ,
5. Private utility easement to be provided across northerly
15 ft. of new lot.
6. Petitioner agrees to fair share of street and utility assess-
ments for new lot.
Ma"ION BY MR. SABA� SECOtJDED BY MR. OQUZST� TO RECOMMEND SO CITY COUNCIL
RPPROVAL OF IAT SPLIS� L,S. k86-02� BY RICXARD MALECEK� TO SPLIT OFF THE WEST
90 FEET OF THAT PART OF L(Yl 28� REVISED AUDZTOR'S Si1BDZVISION :�0. 77 LYING
EASTERLY OF THE FOLIAWING DESCRZBED LZNE: BEGINNZNG AT A POZ1lT ON THE SOUTN
LII7E OF SAID LOT28 DISTANT 315.64 FEET WEST OF THE SOU.THEAST COR'JER .TXEREOF;
(SAID SOUTHEAST CORNER BEZNG ON THE CENTERLINE OF EAST RZVER ROAD) THEtiCE
NORTH AT RIGNT ANCLES TO SAID SOUTH LZNE TO ITS ZNTERSECTION WITN THE NORTH
LIP7E OF SAID LOT28 AND THERE TERMINATZNG� THE SAME BEZNG 7136 ERST RIVER RORD�
WZTH THE FOLLOWZNG SSIPULATIONS:
1. PROVIDE CZTY WITH A 25 FT. BZKEWAY/WAL7CWAY EASEI9ENT ALONG
EAST RIVER RORD,
2. NEW HOUSE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO FOLL047 CURVE OF STREET.
3. SPLIT SO BE RECORDED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDZIJG PERMIT.
4. PARK FEE OF 5750 20 BE PAID PRIOR TO BUZLDZIJG PERMZS,
5. PRZVATE UTILZTY EASEMELlT TO BE PROVIDED ACROSS NORTNERLY
IS FT. OF NEW IAT.
6. PETZTIONER AGREES TO FAIR SXARE OF STREET A1YD UTILITY ASSESS-
MENTS FOR 1JEW LOT,
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOSZNG AYE, CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE IdOTION
CARRIED UNANZMOUSLY,
Ms. Gabel stated this item would go to City Council on March l7.
4. DISCUSSION ON NORTH PARK STORM DRAINAGE ISSUES - JOHN FLORA:
Ms. Gabel stated that because of developments proposed in the north area,
the Planning Commission has been concerned about what happens with the water
flow after development. It seemed that when there was a significant amount
of deve7opment, s�range things happened to the water flow in Stonybrook Creek
and other creeks in the area, and they did not understand why.
Mr. Flora stated that prior to 1982, there was only one organization responsi-
ble for managing surface water in the City, and that was the Rice Creek Water-
shed District. The City has always been attempting to standardize the system
within the City so that when they talk to developers and look at improving
properties, they are consistent within the City. So, they really haven't
looked at anything different from the Rice Creek Watershed District areas and
the other areas in the City. 7�y have always administered storm water and
surface water in the same way. Principally, they have taken the approach
that in developing property, the run-off irom that property after development
PLAPINIP�G COMt1ISSI0�1 MEETItIG, FEE3RUARY 26, 1986 PAGE 6
should be no different than it would before the development occurred. That
means, no greater water running off and no less quality. Basically, that
meant that when something was developed, water ran off much faster and had to
be detained for a certain period of time so the normal flow would be slowed
doYrn. Tf�ey also require that all contaminants be kept on the property.
So, for most developments, other than residential homes, the City requ�res
them to take into account the increase and any affect on storm water.
Mr. Flora stated that usually requires that the developer have some type of
retention pond--some place where tlie water can be held for a period of time,
so the water is not proceeding any faster to the next door neighbor than
it would have before development, A weir basically filters off materials
that are accumulated on the hard surface (papers, floatables, etc.), so that
when water leaves the property, it is essentially the same quality as it was
before development.
Mr. Flora stated part of the problem today in Fridley is that most of the
City has been developed. He stated that above 79th, there are still quite a
few empty lots, and they are focusing on that area as it was being developed.
Those areas are also now under the control of what is called the Six Cities
Watershed Management Organization. In 1982, the Legislature passed what they
called a 509 Statute which said that all the seven counties in the metropolitan
area will have a storm water surface water manager�ent organization. This
was eventually narrowed down to the Cities of Fridley, alaine, Coon Rapids,
Spring Lake Park, Columbia Heights, and Hilltop, which, through a joint powers
agreement, established the Six Cities Watershed Planagement Organization. It
has now been three years since that organization was established.
Mr. Flora stated they are almost to the point where they have a Water Manage-
ment Plan prepared to be submitted to the Water Resources Board, DNR, Metro-
politan Council, and other cities for review and, hopefully, adoption. Once
that plan has been adopted, then each city will begin implementing policies
and procedures in conformance to the plan. In essence what that plan will say
was that each city will do its own thing with water as long as it does not hurt
the cities when it crosses a boundary line. If it does, then the cities have
to get together and work out a mutual solution. All the cities are basically
adopting the same principle--that water should not leave a site in any greater
or worse condition than it was before development. Hopefully, their plan will
be processed and submitted with the next few months.
Mr. Flora stated that in the area north of 79th, the biggest open area, of
course, was the Springbrook Nature Center. He stated Coon Rapids has a big
industrial park development, Evergreen Park, just north of the nature center.
Coon Rapids is very interested in putting a lot of industry into that area.
But, by doing that, they want to maximize the property and they don't want to
put a lot of land into ponds. By the same token, the nature center has a marshy
swampy area which they would like to make into a deep water pond that will
attract water fowl and maintain fish and wildlife throughout the year.
PLAPJNI��G COMPIISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 PAGE 7
Mr. Flora stated there is also a problem with erosion in Stonybrook Creek,
and the City would like to do something with Stonybrook. Part of the water
management plan they are proposing is how can they satisfy the desires of the
nature center, the City's desires to improve the area north of 79th, and
deal with storm water?
Mr. Flora stated they have come up with a plan which they think will work
that will allow a certain portion of the nature center to flood and become
a permanent "lake" and a place that can take the surge of rainfall. They
will be doing this in cooperation with Coon Rapids. The concept is that
Fridley is going to provide the site, and Coon Rapids is going to provide the
funding to do the project. Fridley is going to allow a certain aMOUnt of water
from Coon Rapids to run through this system, cross the border and come into
the nature center.
Mr. Flora stated the real question right now is "what is water quality"? He
stated that right now they do not know the answer to that question as they
have no way of identifying or measuring what is in the water. At some point
in time as they learn more, they will come up with an answer to that question.
Ms. Gabel asked what the impact was on the surrounding creeks and Springbrook
Nature Center from all this impending development.
�4r. Flora stated there was no impact, waterwise. As they get developers
coming in, for everything north of 81st Ave. for sure, they are requiring
Environmental Assessment Worksheets because of the proximity to the nature
center so they can look at what affect the development might have on surround-
ing properties, environment, the nature center, traffic, water systems, etc.
So far, they have not had any negative results in that process. So, they have
not impacted the nature center. As far as water, they feel they will be doing
the nature center a service because they are providing tf�em with an environ-
ment they would like to have by providing water that cannot currently be sus-
tained there. As far as the ground water table, they are essentially helping
it because they will be allowing the water to be detained so it has some time
to get into the ground. With all new development, where possible, they will
try to have detention ponds put in.
Mr, Flora stated that when they 9et the Water Manageroent Plan drafted, he
will provide the Planning Commission with a copy.
(Mr. Oquist left the meeting at 9:30 p.m.)
Ms. Gabel thanked Mr. Flora for all the information he had given them. She
stated the possible impact from these impending developments in the north area
had been a major concern to her. This was a very sensitive piece of property,
and she had not been comfortable making decisions on development in this area
because she did not know the answers. She felt Mr. Flora had done a good job
of answering their questions about water retention.
Mr. Flora stated that as far as he was concerned, he felt they were handling
the water adequately. They were certainly doing things a lot better than ten
years ago because of better technology. He could not address water quality,
because he did not know that much about water quality at this time.
PLANNING COPit1I55I0N MEETING, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 PAGE 8
Mr, Saba stated he felt Mr. Flora had done a good job in telling them how
to handle the water flow in this area. What the Commission had been concerned
about was that each project was being handled individually, and there did not
seem to be a master plan showing an overall impact of drainage and water flow.
He felt what Mr. Flora had presented to them seemed to address that situation.
Mr. Flora stated both the Six Cities Watershed Management Organization and
the Rice Creek Watershed District are in the process of preparing plans that
sfiould be completed by Dec. 31, Then, next year, they should have a plan for
the entire City of Fridley that addresses surface water.
Mr. Saba stated he hoped as a result of this they would have some kind of
continual monitoring of water quality. Whether they can define water quality
or not, they can at least look at the water as it is today, what kind of con-
taninants are in that water, and where it seems to be coming from, so they
have some kind of monitoring system.
Mr. Flora stated one of the things he wants to do is establish a ground zero
and go from there.
Mr. Saba stated he would like to see the Environmental Quality Commission or
some body at some point in time look at the types of contaminants that are
going into the fridley water system. A lot of communities are looking at
lawn service companies and how those contaminants affect the water system, as
well as other household wastes. Maybe the City of Fridley should be addressing
these situations. There could be some very serious contaminants going into the
storm 4rater systems.
Ms. Gabel stated this was something the Environmental Quality Comnission might
want to consider for their work plan.
5. APIALYSIS OF PAST HUMAN SERVICES FUNDIPJG:
Mr. Robinson stated he had tried to outline all the past human services
funding from 1981 - 1985. This was for the Corrrnission's information.
6, REVISION TO 1986 CD66 ALLOCATIONS:
Mr. Robinson stated in the agenda was the 1986 Comnunity Development Block
Grant funding which was approved by the City Council on Feb. 3, 1986.
t•1r. Robinson stated also included in the agenda was a letter he had written
to Ms. JoAnn Wright, Corrmunity Development Coordinator, Anoka County, asking
her to provide the City of fridley with a breakdown of the other participating
cities' contributions to human service activities, the percent of their total
fund going to human services, and the total County percentage of human services
allocation. The reason for this was that the City has decided to place greater
emphasis on human services funding and has proposed increased human services
funding which hopefully will not push the county-wide human services fund over
the 15p cap.
PLANNING COIIP4ISSION MEETI��G, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 PAGE 9
Ms. Gabel stated she was much more comfortable with the revised 1986 CDBG
funding budget.
7. LIABILITY INSURANCE:
Mr. Robinson stated that included in the agenda was a memo from Mr. Hunt,
Asst. to the City Flanager, which informed all members of city comnissions
that they were covered under both the general liability and the public officials
liability policies carried by the City up to a limit of $600,000 per incident.
8. RECEIVE FEB. 4, 1986, ENERGY PROJECT COP•iMITTEE MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. SABA, SECONDED BY MR. BETZOLD� TO RECEIVE THE FEB, 4� I986�
ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MZNUTES. �
UPON A I/OICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAZRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTZON
CARRIED UNANZMOUSLY,
MOTION BY MR. SABA� SECONDED BY MR. BET20LD� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
THE RE'VISION OF SHE ENERGY STANDARD SECTION OF TNE ENERGY NOUSZNG CODE TO
ZNCLUDE MINNESOTA STATUTES DEALING WITH INSULATION AND ENERGY EFFICZENCY.
UPON R VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CXRZRPERSON GABEL DECLARED SHE MD:ION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
9. RECEIVE FEa, 6, 1986, HUPN1Pd RESOURCES C�MPIISSIOt� MINUTES:
MOSION BY MR. MINTON� SECONDED BY 14R, SABA� TO RECEIVE THE FEB. 6� 1986,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMZSSZON MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AY£'� CHAZRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRZED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Minton stated that on page 4 of the minutes, the Comnission had made a
motion that the City Council establisfi the following criteria for student
employment in a surrmer jobs program (patterned after the State Summer Jobs
Program) for the City of Fridley: (1) first priority be granted to previous
satisfactory employees; (2) remaining priorities be granted according to
State Law income guidelines with the stipulation that any job not filled
by a satisfactory candidate within a 10 day applica±ion time period can be
filled by any other qualified person.
Mr. Flora stated he had responded to this to P1r. Hunt. At the same time, the
City Council talked about it unofficially at their last meeting. He stated
what they have done in the past is rehire previous satisfactory producing
employees. , They would also focus on Fridley residents. They figure if
Fridley money is being used, then Fridley people should benefit from it.
Then, they would normally go through the County CETA or JEPA programs; then
anyone else available to work.
PUItdNING COM�IISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 PAGE 10
P1r. Flora stated there was a question raised by the Human Resources
Corrmission as to whether or not the City should be following the State
Summer Jobs Program policy which establishes such criteria as unemployed
heads of household, mem6er of household in which all family members are
unemployed, person who earns so much money, etc. He stated he had no problem
with following that policy except he felt they would prefer to still hire a
returning employee who has done well and focus on the Fridley resident. Based
on that, they would then follow the state job hiring criteria.
�4r. Minton stated they saw this surtmer jobs program as an opportunity to do
some things that should be done in the work world, especially in a public
organization like the City, and that was to give some advantage to the
disadvantaged. He felt the Corronission would have no problem with giving
priority to Fridley residents within criteria #2, and then go beyond that if
necessary.
Mr. Flora stated he thought he would prefer criteria that would give priority
first to previous employees, then Fridley emp7oyees, then follow the state
lo« income guidelines.
Mr. Saba and Mr. Wellan stated they would be in favor of that.
Mr. Minton stated he did not think the Human Resources Corrmission would go
along with that, because it would be diluting the program too much and there
would virtually be no low income in the program, at least not any more than
there is right now.
�4r. Flora stated they always hire through the CETA and JEPA programs, but
last year they had jobs that were not filled, so they really have not found
enough low income people to satisfy their demand.
MOTZON BY MR. MZNTON�TO ENDORSE THE MOTZON MADE BY THE HUMAN RESOURCES
COFIAIISSZON SO RECOMFfEND TO TXE CISY COUNCZL THAT THE FOLZAWING CRITERZA BE
ESTABLZSHED FOR STUDENT EMPLOYMENT IN.A SUMMER JOBS PROGRAM FOR THE CSTY OF
FRIDLEY WITH AN RMENDMENT TO CRITERIA N2 IN ACCORDING WITH DZSCUSSION WITN
CITY STAFF:
2, FIRST PRIORITY BE GRRNTED TO PREVZOUS SATZSFACTORY EMPLOYEES
2, REMAINING PRIORITIES BE GRANTED RCCORDING TO STATE LOW INCOME
GUIDELZNES WITH FIRST PREFERENCE BEGI7dG GIVEN TO APPLICRNTS WHO
LIVE IN FRIDLEk'.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Mr. Betzold wondered if they would be shutting people out by saying
"previous satisfactory employees". Was this a good policy the City should
continue? From an experience factor, it was good; but from a policy factor,
he did not know if it was a good thing or not.
Mr. Robinson asked if the motion would be more acceptable if it ranked previous
employees first, low income Fridley residents second, other Fridley residents
third and lastly other low income applicants.
PLANP�I1�6 COMMISSION �4EETING, FEBRUARY 26 1986 PAGE 11
MOTION BY 11R. MINTON� SECONDED BY MR. BETZOLD� TO ENDORSE THE MOTION MADE
BY SHE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND THAT TXE CITY COUNCIL
ESTABLISH CRZTERIA FOR STUDENT EMPLOYMENT ZN A SUMMER JOBS PROGRRM FOR
THE CITY OF FRIDLEY� BUT THAT THE CRITERIA BE .�U9ENDED RS FOLLOWS:
1. FIRST PRZORITY BE GRANTED TO PREVIOUS SATISFACTORY EMPIAYEES.
2. REMAItiIYG PRIORZTIES BE GR.$NTED ACCORDING TO STATE LOh' ZNCOM•E GCIZDELINES
kTTN FIRST PREFERENCE BEING GIVEN TO APPLICANTS WHO LIVE IN FRZDLEY.
3, OTHER FRIDLEY RESIDENTS
4. OTHER LOFI ZNCOME APPLICANTS
Mr. Saba questioned how much legalism was involved here and how much cost
was going to be incurred on the City of fridley to follow this criteria.
�1r. Wellan stated he felt that when a program was already working well as
the City's was, why change it? He was against more government intervention.
If there was a disc:rimination problem, he could see it; but there did not
seem to be any problems.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� GABEL� MINTON� BESZOLD VOTZNG AYE� SABA fN'D WELLAN VOTING
NAY� CHAIRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED WITH A VOTE OF 3-2,
ADJOUR��MENT:
MOTIOIJ BY MR. MINTON� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO AAIOURN TXE MEETZNG. UPON A VOICE
VO;E� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAZRPERSON GABEL DECLARED THE FEB, 26� I986� PLANNING
CDl4,'�fISSION MEETIt7G ADJOURl7ED AT 20:J0 p.M.
Respectfully sub itted,
yI�a a
Recording Secretary
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PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THE
PLANNING COMMISSION
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Commission of the Lity of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue
Northeast on Wednesday, March 19, 1986 , in the Council Chamber at 7:30
p.m. for the purpose of:
Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #86-01,
by Bradley Dunham, per Section 205.07.1, C, 2 of
the Fridley City Code, to allow a daycare facility
in a residential district, on Lots 18, 19, 20 and 21,
Block 3, Oak Grove Addition, the same being 6633
Arthur Street N.E.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opportunity at the
above stated time and place.
PATRICIA GABEL
CHAIRWOMAN
PLANNING COMMISSION
Publish: March 3, 1986
March 10, 1986
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SP �86-01
Bradley Dunham
Bradley Dunham
6150 Trinrty Drive
Fridley, MN 55432
Anoka County
Property Management Div.
325 East Main
Anoka, MN 55303
Robert G. Michalski
6655 Arthur Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Arvid N. Pentz
6645 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Myron S. Marquardt
6627 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Thomas D. Kupp
6615 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Greig 5. Grove
6601 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Cecilia L. Bergey
6600 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Arthur 0. Demeyere
6620 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Fredric A. Bischke
1490 - 66th Avenue
Fridley, MN 55432
Marvin N. Asp
1486 - 66th Avenue
Fridley, MN 55432
Chris E. Lawther
1472 - 66th Avenue
Fridley, MN 55432
Gary Braam
1436 - 66th Avenue
Fridley, MN 55432
Planning
Council
MAILING LIST
Kenneth R. Steinbauer
6640 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Nita Stoops
6584 Anoka Street
Fridley, MN 55432
February 28, 1986
6race J. Stakes
6645 Arthur Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Curtis A. Hagen
b611 Artfiur Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Gordon Hedlund
1255 Pike Lake Drive
New Brighton, MN 55112
Deborah F. Wood
6583 Arthur Street
Fridley, MN 55432
Michael Domino
6616 Arthur Street
Fridley, MN 55432
�avid P. Jedinak
2795 - 21st Street
New Brighton, MN 55112
Joseph M. Laconic
6644 Arthur Street
Fridley, MN 55432
John F. Benedict
6473 Riverview Terrace
Fridley, MN 55432
Brickner Builders
1441 Rice Creek Road
Fridley, MN 55432
Mivhale R. Guzik
1485 - 66th Avenue
Fridley, MN 55432
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March 11, 1986
T0: The City of Fridley
RE: The proper[y at 6633 Ar[her Street NE,
City of Fridley, Anoka Coun[}• Minnesota
The intentions of Mr. Bradley G. Dunham and Kevin P. Cole, in the purchase
and subsequenC renovation of the exsiting above discribed buildin�. Wf�en
completed this structure will bring to the neighborhood a high quality Day-
care facility.
Our plan is to upgrade both interior and exterior of the building. Substantialy
improve the existing landscape, improve and altar the drive pattern, provide
some off street parking, This all to be done in a manor that maintains a low
neighborhood profile and improves the propertys drive-by appearance.
The facility is to be under the direction of Patricia Torgrimson, a lonc time
active Fridley resident. Pat has a degree in elementary education from the
Dniversity of °finnesota-yorris. Teaching experience in a Headstart program,
also has dcne substitute teaching and is a mo[her of two children. It is
Pat's desire to bring [o the neighborhood and city of Fridley a top quality
day care facility.
We look forward to and are excited about the oportunity to serve the needs of
the neighborhood and community and develop a long-time good neighbor type
relationship. We welcome an�� suggestions and or input that will allow us to
serve you better.
Sincerely yours,
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PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THE
PLANNIN6 COMMISSION
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Cortmission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue
Northeast on Wed�esday, March 19, 1986 , in the Council Chamber at 7:30
p.m, for the purpose of:
Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #86-02, by
Q Petroleum Corporation, per Section 205.15.1, C, 5
of the Fridley City Code, to allow a motor vehicle
fuel and oil dispensing service, and per Section
205.15.1, C, 6 of the Fridley City Code, to allow a
motor vehicle wash establishment on all that part of
lot 12, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, which lies
Easterly of a line parallel with and distant 351 feet
Westerly from the East line of Section 23, T-30, R-24,
Anoka County, Minnesota, and the South 20 feet of that
part of Lot 11, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, which
lies Easterly of a line parallel with and distant 351
feet Westerly from the East line of Section 23, T-30,
R-24, Anoka County, Minnesota, except that part there-
of taken for Highway, the same being 5300 Central
Av2nue N.E.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard sha11 be given an opportunity at the
above stated time and place,
PATRICIA GABEL
CNAIRWOMAN
PLANNING COMMISSION
Publish: March 3, 1986
March 10, 1986
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MAILING LIST
SP �86-02
Q Petroleum
Q Petroleum Corporation
8148 Pillsbury Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55420
Minnesota Mutual Life
777 Nicollet Mall
Minneapolis, MN 55402
Chet M. Herringer
4121 Stinson Boulevard
Columbia Heights, MN 55421
B and B Partners
2233 Hamline Avenue
St. Paul, MN 55113
Solar Wash Inc.
1622 West Innsbruck Parkway
Columbia Heights, MN 55421
United Surplus Stores
100 East 7th Street
St. Paul, MN 55101
Insured Income Properties
3443 North Central Avenue
Suite 500
Phoenix, AZ 85012
Marquette State Bank
5250 Central Avenue N.E.
Columbia Heights, MN 55421
Land 0' Lakes
800 - 53rd Avenue N.E.
Columbia Heights, MN 55421
Planning February 28, 1986
Council
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REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF DECEMBER 7, 1970 PACE 13�
3. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUGT A I�YTIHE ACTIVITIES CEDITER TO
BE I.CX'.ATED ODl IATS 19� 20, AND 21, BIACK 3, QAK GROVE ADDITION, THE SAME
HEING 6633 ARTHUR STREET, FRIDLEY, MINNESQTA. (REQUEST BY ANpKA COUNTY,
The City Enqineer said that this requeat is for a�day care center requested by
Anoka County. It is east of Arthur Street near Aice Czeek.School. It will look
like a house and has a double qarage with a pavad driveway. �
MOTION by Councilman Harrie to concuz vith the Bullding Standardn - Desiqn
Control Subcommittee and qraat approval. Secondad by Councilman Sheridan.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirk.haw declared the motion carried
unanimously.
tiOTiON by Councilman Liebl to waive the.general cor.gtruction permit fees.
Seconded by Councilman Harris. Upon a voice vote: all voting aye, Mayor
Kirkham declared the motion carried unanimously.
F`;F�',
NOVF,MBER 23, 1970:
SSION
The Actinq City Manager said that the donation of Lots 1-5,
Heiqhts by Mr. Robert Jaeger has run into a snag. He may be
Fridley Jaycees. The Acting City Manager aaid t}aat he and t
Pazks and Recreation have been working on a policy for the
employees workiaq on tournaments etc. AS to the oak vil di
Attorney is lookinq wer the Ordinance on Dutch Elm di ase
ba amended to include oak wilt.
Bluc Z, Riverview
d ating it to the
Directoz of
se of City
aease, the City
to see iE it can
MCJfION by Council�an Fiarris to receive the lflinut�s of the Parks and &ecreation
Camaission Meeting of Novecuber 23, 1970. Secoy-�ed by Councilman Breidez.
Mr. Richazd harris said that if oak wilt i to be handled like the Dutch
Elm diseased tzecs, theze will be the s problem with burning or disposing
of the trees. Councilman Harria said at there vould have to be a apecial
permit given. Mr. Dick Haziis wonde ed if thare waa anyone qualified in the CiYy
to recoqnize oak vilt. The ]lctin ity Manaqer Qaid tbat samplee of Dutch Elm
disease have been eent iato tbe iversity for analysie. Mr. iiarris aaked
if they charge a fee and tho ing City Manager said yes. Mayor Kirkham
c�ynmented that he felt that e City of Fridley had the best veed control in
the Metropolitan area.
THE VOTE upon the moti , beinq a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham
declared the motion arried unanimously.
t ON FLAG ORDINANCE:
Mayor Ki� read a letter aloud zeceived from the City dttorney dated
Decem6er 7 1970. It included a suggestion for amending the Ordinance by
inserti the followinq paragiaph xn place of th! one presently in affect:
°iNo person shall display oz carry any flag, banner, ensign or sywbols of
any government, state, countxy or political force with which the United
States of American is enqaqed in an axmed conflict with the intent to
cause a breach of peace."
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bactur<�d i.¢aan and ci��ildr�•il.
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... ... .�., .�_c� .c•-.._ ., ..;'�� Co!��� �r;,.i�'�__'. �'i._c�� Lh�: hc�iui�. �s� ��ic.�. )'�_...
:�;o, tii�� 1::��'e h.+d t�.;o mai:t oo�ls:
To u•:,k� tl�_ pu;,7ic vrd p:.c?lv. in l�ic]oin��, proiessions t.;�:a�' C;-.. t
tar���.c,i i.n o.�: c.r-�u!;:�1' .md 'a.;��... Ci_�..�v :rc li-�._ „ in f���L z:iir;
pl���_�ic.tllr .Luse�l on .� d.;i�, b:_s:s. 7-t':a .a�': I�w �c� ',a.-nr�' ..�]�.
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tc be;;:n t:� be scnsiLive Ln tl,is issu� u�ri Lo U����in to scek :ll•t�--
n�.ti��e� ;o: L-he battcred ��:���,_:�..
2. To procide � s'�ieltcr v;dcl-� is eae of tL� b2sL i���redia[� �.lterns� i.-c.:
tor th�� i>.�rtereci ws.�:�n. Throuttn Ciie data Che�. h:iv�< u;lucCcd>
t?�e} :�:�•:e io�utd fhere are inore than 17 �-n��,.r. a rrnnth i�: elnol::a
Coui�Cy ti�:ho eced a place to st.p. A shelCer pr.�vide= LLeia vith
Ccn;i'�o:'a�r}� reli.ef fro•:s ph}•"ic�;. abuse, zt prm:id�e them freeaom
fro�.i ch� fc�r of beir:g aUusccl, so th��_' h�:��z ti�_�.� to Ll:i.nk nbo.:C
wLat �P�ey �aar.t to co i or tliei^�� 1vc°s nnd thcir ch:ildren. The
sh�^lccr has bcee th�-. eltima[e goal.
Pfs. �.icksen stnted th::t ;ast epriu�;, the T?;_:mesot:i State L��isla�ure altecaL��d
c.oncy fn: C��o additic��.c,l shelci�x's iu i:c;;ion 11. Tii:y appJ.icd tor oac o: ti�osc
Fcants mt1 received it. "ihe r.:ou°}� i_s C�� be uscd f�x � fsci_lity plus hitin�
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ataff. The staff has no� been hired. Thc staff will be a[ the shelter 24 hrs.
a day, 7 days a vicek. The staff consists of people vho have had experience
in working in other shelters, �rho have worked in the human service area, and
are vomen vho have been abused.
Ms, Erickson sta[ed they have Worked long and hard [o find a facil�ty that
�rould meet tt�eir needs. The facility tfiey found in Fridley meets those needs,
and they are here to ask for the special use permit in order to use [hat facilit��.
Ms. Erickson s[atc�i before answering any questions, she �ould like to shoN a
seven-minu[e slide presentation. It is the story of a�aoman who was in a s�ielter
and [ells a�out hcr experience. Ms. Erickson s[ated it would give the Planning
Commission members a feel of �hat actually happens in a shelter.
Ms. Erickson stated that when they subcni[ted the grant, they recei.ved morc t�an
� 20 le[ters of support froc� various people in Anoka County--the diSferent police
depaTtments, sheriff's department, coun[y eor,c�issioners, councils, hospitals,
and do=tors--all supporting what thcp aere doing and tlie fact that a shelter
was needed in Anoka County.
N.s. Gahel s[ated tic building proposed for the shelter was a large f�cili.ty.
Nou n:any children � id they tt;ink they could house in a�ldition to the six women?
Ais. F.rickser. inCrn uced Ms. Jean RamSoa, one of their staf_` m^mbers.
Me. Famboa, 4�J8 -
statistics as to t
the last 20 months
CounCy), 65i: have
20;; have 3 childr�
This would givc tl
ti�e wumen had and
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st St. N.E., Osseo, stated that they have some basic
e woc,en in thcir organization the}• h:ire worked with o��cr
Out ef Che 132 ❑o-en the�• w•o_'.ced with (all from Aneka
-2 children, 28`ie have 1 child, 3b`=. have 2 children,
, 37, hat•e 4 children, 47 have 5 chil�ren, and 2`/, have 6 chil�icn.
Plar.r.ino Ccc�ission members an idea of how m2ny children
ow many each woman vould have at the shclCer.
Ms. Gabel asked h many full-time staff people would be at the shelter 24 hrs.
a da�?
Ms. Rar:bow s[ated hey have 11 staff people, 9 are full-time and 3 are part-
time. Depending �on the tiv+e of day, [hey vill tiy to have at least two
advocates on du[���during [he day, 5:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. Thc reason for [wo
advccates dur:ng the day is that often one of the advocates has to provide
transportation for [he women. There would often be the occ.ssion when there
vould be three staff people during the day, if [he child advocate is there at
the same time. They have one full-time physician working entirely wi[h [he
children, and another half-time physician vho aill be providing s[ructured
programs for [he children.
Hs. Erickson stated [his vould also be supplemented with volunteer help.
Ms. Gabel asked if there mas a maximum amount of time a woman could spend in
shel[er.
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Tis. Rand,ou: sCated [l;ey did noC set anp m��imum ti��c. Thc}' tai11 providc thc
services as long us a womrin needs it. 1'rom ec�nLactine olher shelters, thcv
found out Lhat in Che State of Plinnesot:�., the a��erage lc��:oth of st�y is Cen
days.
P:s. Rambo�� staCcd shc h.is been hired as one. of the statf coordinators. Shc
also has experi_cncc�l violence in her ho:��e siCu::Cion. SLe expl�in��.d that a�l
advocate i_n a shel[ur ��zneraily providcs [he wrn;;an with so:ae o��ti.ons; it
�;i ves Chr �:nr•,ar? an n?Fortunit� to Uv aca�y fro;a tLe violen[ atmos��here, anit Lo
m��l;c s�u;i� dccisious. Ptiny ..,�_�n for various rc:,sons go back to thcir homc.
OL�cr t�ir,.��L� do not e:'n[ to gc back and that is t.'�en Che ❑3��ocnCe taiil hclt� Lh��:�,.
:ivd Lo��:ir.��,. If thu t-�ornatt i_s going �o takc lc;;al stcps, thc ac;vocaCe will
.ieij- her fi..id 2 laarycr ar.d eii11 pro��ide Cra;�sportation, ��.hatever is n�.cessnry.
bis. C�bul cLated tLat becriuse of tlie present a.Cicity at [he tacility, there
is l�la�:s;���:in.i equip:-cnt. l]r_ild Chat P1_a��,rou-nd equipi��nt remain''
:ir , i:;::ioc.i.' stc:ted th•_t zit this tin�e, thcp were not sure if Ll;.�t pl�y;;ro�.�•id
e�,uipme::t ���ould rem.3_n or not.
?:�. C:�:b�1 rtnt��.; tl�:�,� if this �::is �n 1;-;ccntl�� -ant, ta..s Lhis then ��.n 7L-�...,:��h
]� e_,_ �.�a �l,c facilit�:? Sh� -,,...,�ci tLcy iaa::d�tr� to };rcp thi� .. cn-�;oi�':',
f:�.:.i.li tv.
Ai-'. R.�. .� ct�.tcc' `_„'• renso�.� t� v:.�s statcd Cli:�,t �eav c��as Luc;�us� t_h�_ir L�,;-:�
fu:r'i � c�:�.:,.. frca; Lr.c� D��.,:n-_�.�.:�,t of C�r::^tioct. She st;: .d ti,.c�. _a;: r.;.�
p..l,�!�„ in :.l.:is arra, bec„cse nc, sheltcr ti�at h;�s Ueen sc•t cn h,�s cv,-.r nct
rc:oi��ed i�� :�ii'�+;.
A:� . Sab,�l c:�tcd th;��.l shc unde_:COOd L'na� the shclCer is us��;,ll, kept .=,ecr�-L
fror�. die l���cuauds. iLa �ras ci:�ia.•s ;s to ho�� fhis wac d;�n^ r�n�! i�o�a thc�,
c�c_i1d ha��dlc an_� probler.s.
b1s. F�int=��;- st-tcd tl��cir bci:�'{n� is �ecured. In Lal4_ing a*iCh otLc•;- �l.c:trrs,
Ch _t i:; not .. preSle-,. C�vie,�:�ic, tLo lo�et i-o�1 i:� i.cpt t�.s ron`i_de•�Li.al ._
possib;c. :It�s; in thc vcry �i�Cure of iio,�escic e;olcr.oe, not r�s:��n �,enple ��:.��_�1�!
t;ai:t te cc�c inte : situ.Cion ��;here tl�e�- t�:��re not i.n confrol. Tliat vio7�nru
is usu�ll}• i.n the he�.e cahere no one kr.a-�as �:hc„ ie h'PP�1ing. Shc ecated tl,o�
ii th�� Cc�,�:�,istiioi: ea� interesced in kr.o�ring ho�.a n:nny cells t'.ic pol:ce ha��c�
receiv�•�l to sum� oi Che otLer shelt�rs, Jeff Jcmacck �aas a mei��uer of their
Boar3 0: Dir�-,.; �rs ar.� he could sh�re son�,e of Chis infoi.:�:�[ion a�i[h Ll��c
Co:::�nissi.�n.
TIr. 7anacen, ]7]1 - 99th hv^. h.I+'., Cnon R�pids, stated he h3s becn cmploycu
by the Co1u�^nia Hciy;l�.ts Poli:c Dcpartm�nt for ovur 5'z ye..�.-s. Hc has bcen
involvccl �ait1� this issue for �ho�.it C�ao ��e�rs ac a mer:bcr ef the Anoka Coune•�;
Task Porc�. ]le is noc; on the Bnard oI DirecCOrs and is the liaisun person
bet�:ee❑ the T�:�l: Force anci the sCaLf and the local pcl.ice deparLr.-,ents. ]Ic is
tr��inb �o Lrain eai[iz tir� lecul p�lice departiaents ,o the} �rc more f�miliar
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vith thc problem and hov [o handle the problem �nd also so there is a good
rclationship becween the police depnr[mcnts and the shclter itself. Ilc stated
[hey are in desperate need of this kind of facility. It ie really a problem
in Anoka County and it is very fzustrating for the police to deal With this
issue, particularly vhen there is no pl�ce to [ake [he �omen and children �ahen
tl�ere is a problcm. The eaisting shelters are few and too far away.
ifs. Hughes asked hox many calls vas typical for a shelter to m�ke [o a police
department for help.
Mr. Janacek stated that he tried to check a shelter that appearcd to be in
the same [}•pe of an area as the one in Fridley, and that was the Robert Levis
Nouse in Burnsville. This shelter has been operated since August 1979 and,
since [hen, they },ave called [he police [wice and an arres[ �.�as not nade witl�
eiCher call. In fact, one call vas a mist�ke. In Buri;ville, th: shelter's
aduress is listed on the hroct�ure. One of the advantages [o kceping the
shclter in Fridley a partial secret is that tl�e man whe is do:ng this kind of
violence is no[ li}:ely to have access [o [he informaCio:i. Ne stated tiie}' are
not going to havc the shelter's address printrd an�^ahere, and disp�tcher:. will
not give the audress over thc radio. He prcdicLed t}�a[ Fridlcy �.•culd get
icwer calls than iurr,sville.
T?s. Gabe'. ask^d if this she?ter wculd servicc only tm oka Cour.t}• wor;^_n?
T':�. Ericl:s•x: s[a.ed [he;� would give priority [o Anoka Co�mty wo:ncr., but just
as other sbelters have scn-ed wou:en from Anel.a Co::n[y, the�� vould also scrve
w�a��n f:c:n oCh^r areas. 1�is. Erickson stated that besides Lhe sheiter in
Burnsviile, tFicre is o. e in R;;:isey Ceunty and [uu in }i�nnepin Cc�u�t��.
T;s. Gabcl stated [haf. frar. the slide presen[ation, she un3�rstood tl�at mosi
of che vec�en do not hcve tr::nspo:t�tion. If a voman did have a car, would shc
be allo.�.d to keep i[ out of sight in the large garagc located on the property?
T;s. P.�-how s[ated [hat ii would not be possible. One of the ex:iting things
about tliis facil.[y vas th�t the ga:age is carpeted xi�d incul�t,d and will be
used as an area fer the children to play. This is un6ca�d of for this kind
of facility. S:�e s[ated she had talkPd [o the director of [he Da}• Activity
Centct (DAC) and was infon�ed [hat r•hzn the DAC is in session, they have
approxin::i[ely 10-11 cars there at the same time. The sl.�elter coill nevcr Lave
that many cars parked there at any given time. Very few women �he has wc:l:ed
witli in G�oka County have had transporta[ion so that aill not be a problem.
Ms. Erickson stated if a voman did have a car, she would vant to hide it
eomewfiere else.
Hs. Gabel asked r•ho took care of the maintenance of the building.
Ms. Erickson sta[ed [ha[ is bcing negotiated vith the County right now.
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l�is;. Gabrl �isl;od cahcrc thc fundinn caoe;u cu:��.e iroai aftcr f.hc ?`- monChs,
Tfs, I:ricl:sw� stated Cl��c Bo:�rd n:csl��cr�'arc wnrl:ing o❑ a proposal to be svbmiCLCd
to foundatio:is thro���;hout thc sta�.,� �nd bcypnd. asl:inp; for money, as thcy know
they will m: �d t1i�C Co co��tinu�• to supnort the pro�rmn, Other shelters use
t'.�c Stale funding as .� ba:;c and thcn Chc}' am a11 supplcmented by foundations.
Mr. Treucnfel� a=ked �:�n.;t kinu of scrvic�s arc provided at the shelter.
Ms. P::a-.bo�, sCatc�l tl;^_y he]p in F;ettin; ]eoal assistancc for � woman, hclp her
g<C r,s;i�C,a:c�� :ro:� thc b:c=lf.:rc D��partn,nt if sLc nceQs i.t, thcy holy hcr
estcioli_sh e. b�r��._ en her oozn if that is wLat she cecides, Thc primc�ry Chin^
is providi.�:;� .. place ;nr the. wo:��.;rn :.nu }��r chilur.en to li.vc--pro��idin;; f,�od,
c1��liir.,;, ..��ryChin�, tha�y need--a c,�fa em�ironmcnt for diem to. live to t-aCe
Liv:�_ Cc thin'.- +,',,out i�hal h:�s h::po::nc:i .n:;: �aL�t e.l�c wancs to do.
2i�-_ T���,r.•nlcic ;.�atcd Chat iI � we::2n decidcs to return to 1-�er 6c,�e, c10 tlie�
dc eny [y��c „ cc�_nsclin�?
];s. ]:��i-�,c.- cC��;�.�i t}�-o; do nc,'- prnvide cc,��selir.� withia the shn7tcr. It i_s
_�.
n;.t U, r�d���,-':-.l, .. rr,l�� to pro�-ide cc:�,.�solir.n Th:- prn��id<� � n�t�acrL oS
c�,.::-.y. ;-- ..:����i.cr��.� ��.�iL;b7. � �n �-1:� co.��-.�.�-�.ui*_�� ,^��.' th<= cfo•:�nYv. Ap ;�d���c��C�r
is, i� .•-�. o..' '..,', Cl,_:�c to ofi�r su<inrt .�n� act a. a resuurce p��rsoe. P,n
ri.'�-�.�c —c d:•.� i.� _.,� r�ng �,���� �_�`ir.cn<<� thc t�o�nnn, but si!puorf'^ hcr in �r.p
d�_cis.i,,,, ci:� �.....�_.
2-Ir. '�rcucnic�s a>I:�c1 ;:br�nt tt: ;;ro-,in ses�i�ns i�cld aL- the siic]tcr.
t��r. _„�....1; st:.LCd c:'1:ra tLcc i-F�1rr Li, �r:,..p ccs_;ic�n., th�, :e talkin^ abo:•t
srr; _ ,_�.,i�,c� ��I,. rc tLc ',., .a:: �rt ; r'..cr, t.ilh :.baut thc ir c..p � i" ._.,
aed o�f�.T su;�;ii�rC lo c.ach oC',c-. Tf,. kr-�Sot: st�t�_d Utc; f�'Y the -�ui>>�r�-
prcc:t�G °.r�� ����r�� ir.�,ort�n!- and !t is s���.-.��thin^. thc�• r.i11 L-y co str^s::. 'Plv:°��
.:ls�� h;;;'�., tl�'l �,°ic-�� Che t:i�::_•:i ]c_��� th� she]ter, tLcy vi11 ��:ant ta cun�ir.rr
ro hc�lp', c�ia�_; v��i��.nte��r he1, �c�'. h�7Pi^-.; atl:c,•. wo�nen.
T.s. C^,Sc•1 r;�p.;,d if thcy fird ti�.:t the cl:ildren of ti�e abused t��err.cu ..rc
u�u:ill_y e�?�i�;:cc a1seF
I•;s. }::itl:�• Picotte, 1339 Pcpp��seed Court, l��a Iiri.�htc:i, st:�ted she �.�or};; for
i?enn: pin Cc��:ty in Domcsric A'r; �-c, and she sees abcut 20 �ao�•�,r-i: a�.. c k who
ci:��.: to Tl�e CounC�° to gct an crder fer protection. Al: of t;ic chiLdr�_:,1 expericiice
ahuso, i� not ph��sical abusc, then ec.otioaal aDuse. Thcy ��re alr:cst all
cmotion.ill�- �bc��d b�cause th�-�� see so::xaie the}� lovc bcind ucatea up.
P7r. H�vrris askrd i�nat t��as the maximu�� r.u;.,ber of people the sl�elter �aould have
a[ one Cie..,.?
A1s. F^mho:: stc:[eu she c✓ould esCimate 20-22 peopie, inclodin� staff.
T:r. Harris asked t:hat spacial tliing� would be done to the faciLity as f�r as
securiry.
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can house in a given amoun[ of equare footaEe, so [hey will be restric[ed by
tha[. So, they did not in[end Go se[ the number at six and [hen increasc tha[
numbcr lacer on.
Mr. Harris statc•d he vas concerned abou[ the general health, safety, and
velfare of putting 22 people in a facility. Was there enough rooe� for the
ba[hing facilities that �ould be installed and ho�a many bathrooms axe there
aow?
Afs. Rambov s[ated there are four ba[hrooms--two on each floor, and [l�ere is
reom for the bathing facilities to be installed.
MOTIO� by Atr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms, Hughes, to close the pcblic hearing
for SP L`80-02 by ehe Anoka Countp Task Ferce for Eattered Homen. Upon a voice
vo[e, all voting aye, Cl�airman Harri.s.dcel::red [he Fublic hearing closed at
8:45 p.m.
MOTION � Mr. Lansenfcldi ceconded b� Y,_._ Gaba7, to rnce:rn:nd to City Council
th:. 3pprov�l of a r� c_t_for a_p� c� :1 u_ permit _S° ;;;0-02 h�`thc A�o'. � Ccc•�__�v
T�sl. Force for Bzttercd Id��nrn: Ye: Se.eion 20�.0�1, 3, F, Lo allew a dwcl.li��r,
loc:�ted on Tn-,: 1R, 19, 20,_anP. 27, E'_nc� 3, O.:k Grovc Adci!ion te T'r;dlrv Yrrk,
to be used as a fTCilit:• for A2t[creti wo �u and ehildren.
Ms. Nughes stated this cert�in7y Mes a ficili[y tl�at was nerded and, ^s lo:-,�
as t'.�e facility was Uuil[ for a I:ii:' of public use, ehis was a re�sor..�ble
eontinuing use of th�[ facility. Slie Wzs plezsed with the reac[ion tror� thr
Cwmty and [Se Cour.t� L�:,,c!ssioners.
Ms. GaUel etated t?:at, as a community, th�y h�d the responsibili[y to Frovidc
this kind of service.
Mr. Soardm�n s[ated that the Ci[y h�s also been working vitl� !fe[ropolitan Council
[hro.ioL [he existing Sec[iun 8 program to also prov;de housing assisCance to
the wanr_n beiug housed a[ the shelter.
Mr. Harr?s as'r.ec how Jim Hill, Public Safety Director, felt abuut this facility.
Mr. Boardman s[ated i�e :el[ the Police Departc�ent was in fa��or of tt�e facility.
?1s. E:icks�r. sCatcd [hep have a letter fro�� Jim Hill and a lecter fro�� some
of ti.e po?iceme�i showing [I�cir support of the facility.
Ms. Gahcl asked where people in the covununity could call to don�te clothing
and other i[ems [o the shel[er.
Ms. Ramboa stated that ri�h[ now people could call the Mnoka Coun[y Courthouse
during the day a[ 0421-4760, ext. 1681.
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Mr. Treucnfels stated he could not support this requcct because of its
discriminition against the m�le popnla[ion. It secmed to be in dire, flagrant
opposi[ion to the ordinance which crea[ed the Human R��sources Commission.
Ne would bc in favor of it if i[ vas a shel[er for ba�[ered persons.
Ms. NuFh��c stated she did not feel the ordinance was ihat direc[ in its
prnhibitinns and tha[ you can indced provide facilities for grovos that hzve
to be segre�.�te1 for vcry good reasons. She agreed viCh Mr. Treuenfels that
it oughc to bc ba[[ered people, bur. [here are somc priorities tha[ have to
be set and soa.c rcasons vhy battered uor.�en have to be choscn first,
Ms. Gabcl stated she did not see it as discrimination, bu[ rather as providing
a need.
T1r. Aarris stated t.hat he an3 1:r. Treueufels hav:: becn stud;ing Che social
sercice deli��e�y e}�stem in Ano':a County. They had an interestii:5 dir,cu::�ien
with Don Xr�scLcider of the North Suburb:�n Pediatric Clinic in Coon Rapids
a'�ouC tLis vcry rroblem. Mr. Harris sta[ed it cas his personal fee]in^ thac
m'yt•e [l::t. is pha<c one, a re:.:edy but nM a cure. FerL�ps, or.e e,hould thiuk
ale:;r, U�� lin�s of correctir.g the home situation also and the reasons Lh�;e
thir..ts a.-c hapi �;�ing. Ba[t�rcd �:or�:n arc r.ot [he onl�� pcoplc b�: inb b:+;:t� r�:d
in the coucty, there are b:+t[cred �aoren and come b�ttered nen. ]fe felt t}�:t
at sc*r:e F�int in tic°, perhaps prn;;r.-�m� should be expr.i�ded to enca-.n��ss Lhe
hcc�. sitc:[icas tc providc a cura fcr [he situaLion.
Tf�. Ericl:5on s[a[ed the shel[er ie. oaly a tPnpor�ry solutien and is just o�e
str;. ir. be�innin� to do ser.�thSn�,. Sefore the, can look �t a f�s.il}' system co
sre �rh,t is �rrono, [hcy first ha�•c to step [he ��use, and one kay ef doin� th.:t
is [n havF the �;:�m,�n in a safe placc. She stated she is a social �corker for
Ann�;a Ce•�n[�� and docs faTil} and m�rriage ccimselin�. She will not do m�rriagc
coonse7ir.� if ahu�e is involved� �fCaU.^•P che cannot work on thc rel::ticn:;hip
mt[il U��� aousc has stopped. The shel[er is just [he beginning and thcrr :_
a lot o: saori: [o be done.
Afr. Langenfeld st�[ed that �.hen you get involved with psycho-social situ:[ions,
, he thocFi:t [h:e ultina[e goal is to first rc�et the needs of the ini[ial prc.hl�r.
and then go af[er the prevention. He felt Fridle�• should be proud to p:oviae
a scrvice for this kind of [ragedp.
UPO\ A VpICE VOTL, RAFP,IS, GASEL, LA?.GEhTICLD, OQDZST, AKD HUG1:E5 \'OTI:�G AYF.,
TnEULAFELS VOTI;�G R�1Y, CH11IR*L',R' H.',R.:IS DLCLAP.GD T}IL *10TIC1d CARSIED,
Mr. Harris thanked A(s. Erickson for the presenta[ion and stated this request
vould go to City Council on April 7.
2. VACATION RE(�I,EST�SAtJ v8(1-Ol, BY G, W. PASC}I};::: Vacate the S
of [hat par[ of a droin•�ge 6 ucility easrmcnt n either side of
the common lot line of Lo[s 5 ::ck 2, Yaco Industrial Park, so
that the hv' cated at 7280 Cona�erce Circle Last and 7281 Canmerce
r l.'est can be joined toge[her v3th a 60' a 100' Addition.
lU`)
REGULAR MEETING OF APRIL 7, 1980
All Lountil members r�ere in aareement with the finding and
mtion was made. � �-� . � �—^'�`
PAGE 3
MOT10N by Louncilman Fitzpatr' ncur with the draft of the findings
of fact and reques � oR�pleted and returned to the Louncil in finished
form fo Seconded by Councilwoman Moses. Upon a voice vote, all
ig aye, Mayor Nee declared the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVING THE PLANNING LOIM115SIOt1 MINUTES OF MARCH 19, 1980:
MOTION by Councilman Schneider to concur with the recommendation of the
Planning Lommission and grant Special Use Permit, SP k80-02. Seconded by
Councilwoman Moses. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye. MaYOr Nee declared
the motSon carried unanirtqusly.
MDTION by Louncilwoman Moses to set the public hearing on this va tion
request for April 21, 1980, SecondeG Ey Councilman Schne�der. on a
voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Nee declared the motion carri d unani-
nously.
rnuCinrann nN nF 1TFM FROM APPFAIS C(1MMISSION MINUTES F MARCH 11,
Mr. Flora, Public ilork5 Director, stated a total of ur variantez are
requested with two applying to the docks, and the her two applying to the
distance between a building and the curb line. H stated a setbacY, of 30 feet
Ss required from the property line for construc on of the docks and they are
requesting a variance of five feet. Further, e code requires five feet
betaeen a building and the curb line and a t ee foot variance is requested.
Mayor Nee stated apparently staff had
Mouldn't be a need for any variances,
Mr. Floyd GustavsOn stated they have
the variances, the addition nould hp
feasible. /
Councilman Schneider asked if
Mr. Gustavson stated the
plans, but they haven't
notices Nere sent of the
�sted several alternatives so there
they were not.acceptable.
have the loading docks, and without
to be smaller which wouldn't be
had contacted the adjacent property owners.
erty owners to the South are aware of their
d with anyone in the trailer court. He stated
ic hearing and no one had voiced any opposition.
Countilman Schneider ated he didn't have a problem with the dock on the
South side, but had ome questions on the one which Nould be located near
the trailer park.
Mr. Qureshi, Ci Manager, suggested if there were questions to be resolved,
perhaps this " eni could be brought back next week with further information.
MOT10N 6y uncilman Schneider to table this item for one Heek and direct
the staff o bring back further information. Seconded by Councilman
Barnett . Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Nee decla�ed the motion
carrie unanirtausly.
MO ON by Councilman Schneider to receive Yhe minutes of the Planning
ission Meeting of March 19, 1980. Secorded by Louncilman Barnette.
pon a voice vote, all voting aye, }layor Nee declare6 Y.he motiors carried
unanimousiy, .
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE
MEETING
MARCH 4, 1986
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Saba called the March 4, 1986, Energy Project Committee meeting
to order at 7:34 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Dean Saba, Bruce Bondow, Bradley Sielaff, Walt Starwalt,
Dale Thompson
Members Absent: Alex Barna, Glen Douglas, Maynard Nielsen
Others Present: Myra Gibson, Energy Coordinator
APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 4, 19B6, ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MI�UTES:
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Starwalt, to approve the fiebruary 4,
1986, Energy Project Committee minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. UPDATE ON HOUSE DOCTOR PROGRAM
Ms. Cibson indicated that there has been quite a bit of interest in the
House DocLOr program. At the end of this week, 51 homes will have had
work done and another 37 people are on the list to be considered. Ms.
Gibson noted that she had informed the last 10 persons on the list that
the City may not be able to do their homes because the funding could run
out. She also noted that some of the people may be screened because
their income is over the limit. The program in general is going well.
2. DISCUSSION ON N.E.W. PROGRAM
Ms. Gibson indicated that the combined brochure with information on the
N.E.W.'s, House Doctor program, S.O.R.T. and curbside recycling program
had gone out. She had received a number of inquiries as a result for
the House Doctor program but only fit•e people had signed up for the
March 15th N.E.W. and two for the March 22nd N.E.W. Ms. Gibson noted
that perhaps another six may attend the March lSth workshop and that
those persons interested in the House Doctor, but whose incomes were too
Aigh,could be contacted and told about the N.E.W. This would increase
attendance.
Mr. Saba asked about reactivating the program in the fall.
ErERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MEETING. MARCH 4. 1986 PAGE 2
Ms. Gibson said she tho�ght they could have a program with slides, but
felt that there would be a problem in offering weatherization kits and
a free audit. She added that NSP might be willing to let the City use
the demonstration models but did not think that NSP would fund any more
programs.
Ms. Gibson noted that D.E.E.D. has a program, the Home Energy Checkup,
which is a 4-hour session in the home to check the house and inform the
homeowner of the work that needs to be done. However, the fujure of
the D.E.E.D. agency at this time is uncertain. Ms. Gibson stated that
she would call D.E:E.D. to see about the Home Energy Checkup program
and keep informed of the status of the agency.
Mr. Saba asked about the Exxon grant.
Ms. Gibson indicated that, according to a staff person from Spring Lake
Park, the Exxon grant is going through and funds could be available as
early as Thursday. However, he felt the grant was geared more toward
the Community Action Programs (C,4P).
Mr. Saba indicated that he felt this money should go to the cities.
Ms. Gibson asked for the committee's recommenda[ion on how to proceed
with the N.E.N. in light of the low number of persons interested.
Mr. Saba felt that the attendance should be at least 15 or ;he workshop
should be cancelled.
Ms. Cibson asked what the committee felt should be done with the
weatherization kits that were not used. Fuel Control owns the kits
which are pre-packaged and designated for the City of Fridley. Ms.
Gibson did not think the City was obligated to buy the kiis if they
were not used.
After discussing various options, the committee felt that any unused kits
should be returned.
Mr. Bondow noted that interest in the workshop is waning. He suggested
calling people who had attended past workshops and asking them to contact
others to get them to come.
Mr. Saba suggested that committee members�contact a few people a6out the
workshop and ask them to attend.
Ms. Gibson noted that she would need to have the names of persons
interested in attending by March 12th. At that time, a reminder will be
sent out to those showing an interest in the March 15th N.E.W. If not
� enough interest is shown, then persons will need to be notified accordingly.
ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MEETING, MARCH 4, 1986 PAGE 3
3. UPDATE ON ENERGY MAINTE�A�CE CODE
Mr. Saba indicated that the Energy Maintenance Code had been passed at
the Planning Commission meeting and will now go before the City Council.
Ms. Gibson had no other information to report on this topic.
4. OTHER BUSINESS ,
a. Ms. Gibson reminded the committee that the Work Plan for 1986 will be
brought before the committee in the near future. She indicated that
the committee will need to have something structured to do since many
of the programs will be completed. Committee members were asked to
think about ideas for the Work plan.
b. Mr. Bondow asked about the status of Ms. Gibson's position. Ms. Gibson
indicated that her contract as part of the D.E.E.D. grant would be done
at the end of May. If the City gets funding by D.E.E.D., they would
probably add a part-time Energy Goordinator; however, funding appears
unlikely at this time. Ms. Gibson noted that at the end of the
contract, she hopefully would make a transition to the position of
Planning Assistant.
ADJOUR\�fENT
MOTION by Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Bondow, to adjourn the meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE. CHAIRPERSOfi SABA DECLARED THE MARCH 4, 1986,
ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:15 P.M.
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 11, 1986
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Betzold called the March 11, 1986, Appeals Commission meeting to
order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Donald Betzold, Alex Barna, Jim Plemel, Jean Gerou
Merabers Absent: None
Otliers Present: Darrel Clork, City of Fridley
W. E. Matthews, 610D Sunrise Dr.
John Kosmas, 6112 Excelsior Blvd.
Rod Brannon, 1622 Innsbruck Parkway
John H. Q. Martin, 701 lJ. Highway 7, Excelsior
Yergil Florhaug, 2700 E, 9th Ave., North St. Paul
D. H. Hinckley, Chicago, I11,
Roland Benjamin, 7810 University Ave.
APPROVAL Of JANUARY 14, 1986, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MO'_"ION BY MFt. BARVA� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU� TD APPROI/E THE JANUARY 14� I986�
APPEAZS COMMISSION MZNUTES AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAZRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
1. COfJSIDERATIOFJ OF A VARIANCE REQUEST PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 205 OF ThIE FRIDLEY
I Y CODE T REDU HE S RU S CK E
TO 13.5 FEET TO LLO HE C NST I I I
18 BLOCK 2, SYLUAN HILLS, THE 5 E BEIFJG 6100 SUNRISE DRIVE N.E. Request
by Willard E. an Donna M. Matthews, 6 00 Sunrise Drive, ri ey, Mn. 55432)
MOTION BY f�S. GEROU� SECONDED BY MR. BARNA, TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARIiJG.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTINC AYE� CHAZRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE PUBLIC
NEARING OPEN AT 7:3I P,M.
Chairperson Betzold read the Administrative Staff Report:
AD�dINISTRATIUE STAFF REPORT
6100 Sunrise Drive N.E.
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERYED BY REQUIREMENT:
Section 205.07.3D.2c.1 requires tF�e side yard width on a street side of
a corner lot not to be less than seventeen and one-half (17,5) feet.
APPEALS COt41I5SI01J t4EETIHG, MARCH 11 1986 ___ PA6E 2
Public purpose served by this requirement is to maintain a higher degree
of traffic visibility and to reduce the "line of sight" encroachment into
the neighbor's front yard.
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
"The proposed addition is to provide a larger dining area, closet space,
family room, hip roof and entrance on west side. Our present dining
area (7' x 9') will not allow us to have a holiday dinner for 3 married
children and 8 grandchildren which are all an hour or less away. Closet
space is always too little. The family room will alleviate the con9estion
is our living room. The hip roof is to control the rain which belts the
south side and gets to the basement and will hopsfully need less maintenance
than the shakes and exposed wood do now. As nearly all visitors and
relatives park in the driveway, it seems logical that the door should face
the driveway. It will clean up the south side for a better appearance.
To accomplish all of the above said, this variance is requested."
C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW:
The lot to the rear has a house *_hat does not face the side street
(61st Avenue). The garage door is on the back facing east. The garage
is 10 feet from the south property line.
The structures along the north side of 61st vary in setbacks as close as
6.5' to as far as 31 feet.
If this variance is approved, the staff has no stipulations to suggest.
Mr. Clark showed the Comnissioners an aerial photo that showed the petitioner's
house as well as neighboring houses on the block.
Mr. Willard Matthews stated he had brou9ht a letter signed by seven neighbors
stating they did not object to the variance requested by he and his wife for
the construction of an addition to their house.
MOTION BY MR. PLEMEL, SECONDED BY MS. GEROU� TO RECEIVE INTO THE RECORD A
LETTER FROM SEVEN NEIGHBORS EXPRESSING NO OBJECTION TO THE VARIANCE REQUESTED
BY WILLAP,D AND DONNR MATTHEWS.
[IPON A VOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING RYE� CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNAIVIMOUSLY.
Mr. Betzold stated the problem he had with this variance request was finding
the hardship. Was there something about this particular lot that posed some
difficulty for the petitioner?
Mr. Matthews stated there was no other direction he could go to enlarge the
house. The kitchen was on the north side, and the garage was 10 ft. from the
house. To build to the rear would mean removing the garage and cuttinq down
a very large tree. He stated he could add on 6� ft. without a variance, but
APPEALS COhT1ISSI0N MEETING, MARCH 11, 1986
it would not give then enough room for what they want. He would not want to
put the door on the 61st Ave. side as that was a busy street.
MOTION BY MR. PLEMEL� SECONDED BY MR. BARVR� TO CLOSE TXE PUBLIC HEARING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED TXE PUBLZC
HEARZNG CZASED AT 7:95 P,M.
Ms. Gerou stated she would be in favor of this request. It was not an
unreasonable request, and the neighbor to the east would still be closer to
the street and sidewalk than the petitioner would be with the proposed addition.
Mr. Plemel stated he did not think this addition would harm the line of sight
from Sunrise onto 61st Ave., and he would be in favor of the variance request.
Mr. Barna stated he had no problem with the variance as requested. He could
see where it would be difficult to expand the house in any other direction,
and it was only a 960 sq. ft. house now which, at modern standards,was considered
a"substandard house". With the addition, the petitioner would be bringing
the house up to 1200 sq. ft., which would be a little more saleable in the
future and it would be an improvement to the house and to the neighborhood,
With the addition, the house would still be about 16' ft. from the sidewalk,
about 20 ft. from the curb, and it would not obstruct any view along Sunrise
or 61st Ave.
Mr. Betzold stated he had a couple of concerns, He was still not sure that the
hardship was well stated in such a way that there was anything about this
particular lot that indicated a need for a variance. Whil� he could appreciate
the desire to have more room for family members, that did not necessari�y mean
the petitioner should have a bigger house or that the City should vary the
code. Also, it was entirely possible to add on without a variance. The thing
that would sway him to go along with the variance request was that as they look
at 61st Ave. as it is, he did not think the spirit of the code would be violated
because there were houses significantly closer to the street than the petitioner's.
However, that did not mear� they should perpetuate their mistakes. Under any
other circunstances, he would probably vote against such a request.
MOTION BY MS. GEROU� SECONDED BY MR. BATNA� TC APPPOVE A VARIAI'JCE REQlJEST
PURSUANS TO CHAPTER 205 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD
SETBRCK ON A CORNER IAT FROM 17.5 FEET TO 13.5 FEET TO ALIAh' THE CONSTRUCTION
OF ADDITIONRL LIVING AREA ON LDT ZB� BLOCK 2� SYLVAN XZLLS� THE SA14E BEING
6100 SUNRISE DxZVE N.E.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTZON
CARRIED UNANZMDUSLY,
APPEALS C0�IMISSION MEETING, t4ARCH 11. 1
PAGE 4
2. CO��SI�ERATION OF UARIANCE REQUESTS PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 205 Of THE FRIDLEY
MOTION BY MS, GEROU� SECONDED BY MR. BARNA� TO OPEN THE PIIBLZC HEARING.
UPON R VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CNAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE PUBLIC
XEARING OPEN AT 7:49 P.M.
Chairperson Betzold read the Administrative Staff Report:
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
5300 Central Avenue N.E.
A. PUf3LIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT:
Section 205.15.3A requires a minimum lot area of 35,000 square feet
under one ownership. , .
Public purpose served by this requirement is to provide for adequate
parking, open landscaped areas, and to limit congestion of commercial
areas.
Section 205.15.4C.1 requires permitted buildings and uses, except
automobile parking and loading spaces, driveways, essential services,
walks and planting spaces not to be closer to any public right-of-way
than eighty (80) feet.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to provide for adequate
parking and open landscaped areas as well as to avoid congestion and
provide adequate site clearances in commercial areas.
Section 205.15.4C.3 requires a rear yard of not less than forty (40)
feet.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to provide adequate open
space around commercial structures for aesthetic and fire fighting
purposes.
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APPEALS COHMISSION MEETING, MARCH 11 1986 PAGE 5
Section 205.15.5D.5a requires that all parking and hard surface areas
shall be no closer than twenty (20) feet fron any street right-of-way.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to limit visual encroach-
ment into neighboring sight lines and to allow for aesthetically pleasing
open areas adjacent to public right-of-ways.
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
"The existing lot size and shape are odd."
C. ADt1It�ISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW:
The petitioner would like to remove the existing Q Petroleum facility
and after removal, reconstruct a new one as per their submitting plat
plan. The new facility would have a car wash that the existing facility
does not.
There is no other vacant land that could be added to this property to
bring it into code compliance. The staff has reviewed the proposal and
has communicated with the petitioner some of the City's concerns and
this plan as it now exists seems reasonable.
The staff has no stipulations to suggest if the Board recommends
approval of this request.
Mr. Clark stated that as the Commissioners probably kne4i, Q Petroleum was
located on 53rd Ave. and Central Ave. between Target and Central Ave. If
granted the variance, they planned to tear down the existing structure wfiich
has some structural problems. Improper soil correction was done at the time
the existing structure was built so the building is settling. All variances
were as a result of the lot not being large enough. They do plan to add a car
wash, Even if they did not add on the car wash and just had a retail/service
station facility, they could probably reduce the degrees of the variances,
but variances would still have to be granted in order to use the lot. Mr. Clark
showed the Commissioners an aerial photo of the area.
�4r. Jofin Kosrnas, KK Desi9n, stated part of the reason for the need for variances
was because the property has been reduced in scale over the years. because
the widening of Central, the service drive, and 53rd Ave. He stated they are
proposing a convenience store/service station witf� a drive-through car wash
to the rear of the proposed building, causing sor�e of the setback requirements.
They have tried to keep the building to the back side of the lot to keep the
front area more open. They are looking at closing the easterly access onto
53rd Ave. to help relieve congestion.
Ms. Gerou asked if the car wash would increase traffic.
APPEALS COt41ISSI0N �4[ETII�G, MARCH 11 7986 PAGE 6
t4r. Kosnas stated the car wash was more of a convenience service connected to
the sale of gas. Q Petroleum did a reasonably good business now, and he did
not see the car wash generating a great deal of traffic on its own. They v�ere
trying to eliminate some congestion on the site by positioning the car wash in
the back of the structure. �
Mr. Betzold asked if there was any concern regarding landscaping.
F1r. Kosmas stated they are working with Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator,
on a landscape plan.
Mr. Rod [3rannon stated he owned the car wash irmediately to the north and west of
Q Petroleum. He stated that in order to remodel the convenience store/service
station, variances were needed, but where was the hardship that involved adding
a car wash to that facility?
Mr. Betzold stated the request was for variances for a building, not necessarily
for a car wash, and the Commission could not determine how the petitioner wanted
to use the property as long as it was within the proper zoning of the City. The
Corrnission was more interested in what size the building was and where it was
going to be located on the lot tlian they were about what was inside the building.
Mr. Betzold asked the petitioner that if there was no car wash on the building,
how would that affect their request for variances?
F1r. Kosmas stated that if the car wash was not added, their request for variances
would probably remain the same.
Mr. Brannon stated the Pickwick Store was built with variances. He now has a
building that is practically sitting on his property line because of four variances
approved by the City. That building has no�a effectively screened his entire
car wash business from 53rd Ave. That building takes up apprmximately 43°ra of
the lot. The building has a dumpster pad that is about twice the size needed,
and the owner was supposed to put in low lying shrubs. Instead they put in
trees in front. Driving by on 53rd, nine months out of the year, his car wash
was not visible. That was what four variances had done to his business. fle
stated that here were another four variances to put in a competitive business
on the same property line. He felt the City had an obligation and responsibility
to 6ring in new tax dollars, but he also felt as strongly that the City had an
obligation and responsibility to protect the people who are already paying taxes
like himself. He stated he has lost 25% of his business since the Pickwick
building was built. Ile stated he felt very strongly against the car wash going
in. It was a question of his livelihood, and he would fight it all the way.
Mr. Brannon stated there are adequate boundaries and grassy areas all around
the United Store just to the north of him. His building was the sa�. Now he
was confronted with a building (Pickwick) that was virtually on his property
line. Did the City want a building that he could no longer maintain because
he did not have the cash flow to maintain it?
APPEALS CO�iHIS5I0N MEETIiJG, MARCH 11 1986 PAGE 7
Mr. Clark stated there was a public hearinq scheduled to be held before the
Planning Conmission on March 19 for a special use pernit for the car wash and
service station. He suggested that this car wash discussion would probably
be more appropriate at that meeting.
Mr.Brannon stated he was not opposed to the variances that were requested,
He was opposed to the car wash. Q Petroleum already has a service station
and convenience store and now wants to put in a car wash in direct competition
to liis car wash, They already have two sources of income with potentially
three. He has only one source of income, and that is his car wash. He stated
if the car wash is a full service exterior wash, there is not so much competition,
but if it is a roll-over, as opposed to a self-service car wash, then there is
direct cornpetition.
MOTZON BY MS, GEROU� SECONDED BY MR. BARNA� TO CLOSE TXE PUBLIC HF,ARZNC.
UPOIJ A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEARING CLOSED AT 8:28 P.M.
Mr. Plenel stated he felt the petitioner was trying to do too much on a lot of
this size. There were four variances being requested, and the largest was the
rear yard setback from 40 ft. to 10 ft. He would like to speak in favor of
omitting the back building, leaving the present retail building of 32 ft. x 50 ft.,
allowing a variance of around 20 ft, on the rear lot line.
Mr. Clark stated if the building stayed the same size without the car wash, then
the building could be moved north, because there would not have to be a driveway
behind. The front yard variance off 53rd could go from 80 ft. to approx. 70 ft.
In turn, that additional space could increase the green area along the sidev�alk
on 53rd fran 5 ft. to 10-12 ft.
Mr. Clark stated he did not think they could come up with exact numbers but
some general ideas of what could be done if the car wash was not added behind
the proposed building.
Ms. Gerou stated she would be willing to go along with the revised variances
as opposed to the ones being requested. She was in complete disagreement to a
rear yard variance from 40 ft. to 10 ft. because of the objection expressed by
�1r, Brannon.
Mr. Barna agreed. He stated the first variance to reduce the required lot size
would almost have to be grandfathered in because the lot has been reduced in
size through no fault of the owner through road acquisition,
Mr, Barna stated he would recomnend the front yard setback from 80 ft. to 62 ft.
be reduced ta 70 ft. This would rtqve the whole structure north.
Mr. Barna stated that regarding the driveway/parking setback from 40 ft. to
10 ft. and 5 ft., that could be returned to 10 ft, and 15 ft. by adding the
additional space.
APPEALS COItMISSIOtJ MEETII�G. MARCH 11. 1
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Mr. Barna stated the rear yard setback from 40 ft. to 10 ft. overcrowded the
lot, and he would go along with a reduction to 20 ft., but not the 1D ft.
The following motions were made on that part of Lot 12, Auditor's Subdivision
No. 155, which lies easterly of a line parallel with and distant 351 feet
westerly from the Line of 5ection 23, Township 30, Range 24, Anoka County,
Minnesota, and the south 20 feet of that part of Lot 11, Auditor's Subdivision
No. 155, which lies easterly of a line parallel with and distant 351 feet
westerly from the east line of Section 23, Township 30, Range 24, Anoka County,
Minnesota, except that part thereof taken for highway, the same being 5300
Central Avenue N.E.:
MOTZON BY MR. BARNA� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU� TO RECOMMEND TO CZTY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF A VARIRNCE REQUEST pURSUANT TO CXAPTER 205 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY
CODE TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED LOT SIZE FR0�9 35�000 SQ. FT. TO 23�796 SQ. FT,
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRPERSON BET20LD DECLARED THE MOTZON
CRRRIED UNANZMOUSLY.
MOTZON BY MR. BARNA� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU� TO RECOMMEND TO CI;Y COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF VARIANCE REQUEST PURSURNT TO CHAPTER 205 OF TNE FRIDLEY CITY CODE
TO REDUCE THE FR07dT YARD SETBACKS FROM 80 FT. TO 70 FT, ON BOTH THE ACCESS
DRIVE AND 53RD AVE.NUE,
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CXRIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRZED UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION BY MR. BARNA� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCZL
APPROVAL OF R VARIANCE REQlIEST PURSUANS TO CNAPTER 205 OF THE FRZDLEY CITY
CODE TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM 40 FT. TO NOT LESS THAN 15 FT.
UPOIJ A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTZNG AYE� CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
MOTION BY MR. BARNR� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU, � RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCZL
APPROVAL OF R VRRZANCE REQUEST PURS[IANT TO CXAPTER 205 OF THE FRIDLEY CZTY
CODETO REDIICE TNE DRIVEWWAY/PARKING SETBACK FROM 20 FT. TO 10 FT. AND 5 FT.
RESPECTZVELY ON THE EASTERLY IAT LINE AND IO FT, ON .^NE SOUTHERLY LOT LINE.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTItTG AYE� CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Betzold stated the special use permit request would be before the Planning
Comnission on tlarch 19, and the variances and special use pernit would go before
the City Council on April 7.
APPEALS C011MISSION MEETIP�G t1ARCH 11 1986 PAGE 9
3. COIISIDERATION OF VARIANCE REQUESTS PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 205 OF TIIE FRIDLEY
,
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COt�SID[RATION OF A VARIANCE REQUEST PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 205 OF THE FRIDLEY
CI Y CODE T REDUCE THE REQUIRED N'IOU�JT F P RKI��G SP CES FR 14 3 SP CES
TO 26 SPACES ON LOT 12, BLOCK 2, COhP1ERCE PARK, THE SAt1E BEIIJG 7398
I ERSI Y E N. , equest y ergi . or aug, . t Avenue,
Nort St. au , n, 5109)
MOTZON BY MS. GEp.OU� SECONDED BY MR. BARNA� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARZNG.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED TXE PUBLIC
HEARING OPEN AT 8:45 P,M.
Chairperson Betzold read the Administrative Staff Report:
ADMINISTRATIUE STAFF REPORT
7398 University Avenue IJ.E.
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED QY REQUIREPIENT:
Section 205.14.3C.2 requires two (2) sideyards, each with a widtli of
not less than fifteen (15) feet.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to provide for adequate
open areas (green divider areas) around corrmercial structures, maintain
clear access for fire fighting and reduce conflagration of fire.
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Section 205.14.5C.1 requires at least one (1) off-street parking space
shall be provided for each 150 square feet of building floor area.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to provide for adequate
parking.
B. STATED fIARDSIIIP:
"t4y leasing agent informs me that I will not be competitive in the lease
market for this type of building with less than 6,000 square feet of
leasable space. Therefore, the configuration of the building to conform
with the restrictions of the lot size have been deterrnined to be
80 x 50. To accomplish this, and to stay within the requirement to
provide 32 parking stalls, I hereby request a variance to reduce the set-
back of the building on the north property line from 15 ft. to 10 ft.
APPEALS C0�iP1ISSI0N �4EETII�6, 14ARCH 11 1986 PAG[ 10
If variance request no. 1 is not acceptable to the City of Fridley, I
hereby request a variance to reduce the required 32 parking stalls to
26 parking stalls in order to eliminate the need for the 10 ft. setback
and the 20 ft, drive as requested in variance request no. 1."
2. AUt�1INISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW:
.
In order for the petitianer to build the size structure he feels is
economically feasible, he would need a side yard variance or reduce the
number of parking stalls.
The lots on either side are developed with their parking and/or
driveways established adjacent to the petitioner's side lot lines.
Therefore, the distance between structures is not less than the normal
3D feet.
The staff feels that parking may be crucial depending upon what type of
office use occupies the structure. The staff has no stipulations to
suggest if the Board were to recommend approval of this request.
Mr, Clark stated he had passed out information showing the elevation of the
building and the latest plat plan showing the landscaping, trash enclosure,
etc., and an aerial photo which showed the area adjacent to the building
except for the office building to the north which does have a driveway adjacent
to this site so the buildings would not be squeezed closer than probably 50 ft.
due to any side yard variance to the building,
Idr. Vergil Florhaug stated his business, Construction Analysis & t1anagement,
Inc., was presently located at 7401 Central Ave. He stated they are leasing
this space and have outgrown the space. lie stated Construction h1anagement
was a professional business, and they feel landscaping is very much needed
for the building they are proposing.
Mr. Florhaug stated 14r. John Martin, consultant in leasing, financing, and
real estate, was also at the meeting. He had discussed with �tr. Martin how
much square footage they had to have leasable and what size building should
be built. P1r. Florhaug stated it was i�is intent to build a professional office
building to be utilized by his company with the balance to be leased.
P1r. Martin had informed him that he would not be competitive in the leasing
market for this type of building with less than 6,000 sq. ft. of leasable
space. If they built the building without the side yard setback, they would
lose parking spaces and tlie island that he felt would be necessary for land-
scaping, plus he felt employees should have a green area so they can go out-
side during noon time and coffee breaks.
Mr. Martin stated one of the first things they addressed was what it was going
to cost and, in light of current rental rates, what might they expect the
market to achieve and what would make sense from a real estate investment.
The city codes were considered, and they came up with a 5,200 sq. ft. building.
He felt very strongly that it did not make economic sense to proceed with a
building that small; therefore, they were proposing a two-story building of
8,U00 sq. ft, total.
APPEALS C0�IMISSION �1EETIWG, MARCH 11, 1986 PAGE 11
tdr. Martin stated that as far as parking spaces, he recanmended a ratio of
four parking spaces per 1,000 sq. ft, of rentable space. For a little over
6,000 sq, ft. of usable space, he was recommending 25-26 parking spaces as
the minimum for this proposed building.
Mr. tlartin stated that regarding the widths of parking aisles, these ordi-
nances were created years ago. Things have changed significantly and most
cars are smaller today. They were asking for a reduction of the width of
the parking aisle from 25 ft. to 20 ft,
Mr. Martin stated it was his belief and recomnended to D1r. Florhaug and the
City that this proposal made sense. This was a sound economic development
that would he a credit to P1r. Florhaug's investment and a credit to the
corrmunity. lie stated that of the two variances, they preferred variance no. 1.
Mr. Betzold stated the petitioner was essentially saying that the hardship
was that the lot was too small for the building he wanted to build. Didn't
that seem to be a self-imposed hardship?
Mr. florhaug stated that, yes, it was a self-imposed hardship.
MOSZON BY MS. GEROU� SECONDED BY MR, BARNA� TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC XEARING.
UPON A VOICE VO2E� RLL VOTZNG AYE� CXAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE PUBLIC
NEP.RZNG CTASED AT 9:05 P.M.
Mr. Plemel stated this seemed to be a very nice building. Ne thought it would
be an addition to the area and he could go along with variance no. 1.
Mr. Barna stated he found the hardship not very well defined. There was already
one rental building in this area that has been sitting vacant for quite a long
tine. He could not understand the econanics that a larger building with a
larger rental area would be easier to rent. Whether or not that justified
the variance, he did not know.
Ms. 6erou stated she agreed this was a self-imposed hardship for the larger
building. She felt parking spaces were important to a building, and she
would prefer the first variance over the second variance.
Mr. Betzold stated he really did not prefer either variance. fie thou9ht the
building design was very attractive and was the type of development they like
to see in Fridley, but he was disturbed by the fact that this hardship was
entirely self-imposed, and they are being told they have to approve variances
to accommodate the design the petitioner wants for the site. He stated he
was definitely opposed to the second variance. They do not know what kind of
traffic congestion would be created, and he could not go a7ong with a hardship
that was entirely seJf-created.
Mr. Plemel stated that, economics aside, he did not think the driveway reduc-
tion from 25 ft. to 20 ft. was a factor. On the north property line, if the
building was 10 ft. or 15 ft. from the lot line, no one would ever know the
difference.
APPEALS COtT1ISSI0�� MEETING FIARCH 11 , 1986 PA6E 12
Mr. Betzold stated he felt part of the problem was that there was not much
empty space left in the City for development. They have made a lot of
mistakes over the years, so they have to be very careful with the develop-
ment on the land that is left. This was a very good plan, but should they
be varying the code for this particular development?
Mr. Barna stated he had no problem with the development or with the first
variance, other than the fact that the hardship was self-imposed.
MOTION BY MR. BARNA� SECONDED BY MR. PLEMEL� TO RECOMMEND TO C72Y COUNCZL
APPROVAL OF VARIANCE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 205 OF TNE FRIDLEY CITY CODE TO
REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM IS FEET TO 10 FEET AND TO REDUCE TNE
WIDTX OF A PARKZNG AISLE FROM 25 FEET TO 20 FEET ON LOT 22� BLOCK 2� COMMF.RCE
PARK� THE SAME BEZNG 739B UNI.VERSITY AVENUE N,E.
UPON R VOZCE VOTE� PLEMEL AND GEROU VOTZNG RYE� BETZOLD AND BARNA VOTING
NAY� CXAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECL7{RED THE MOTION FAILED BY A VOTE OF 2-2.
MOTION BY M5. GEROU� SECONDED BY MR. BARNA� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCZL
DENIAL OF A VARZANCE REQUEST PURSUANT TO CXAPTER 205 OF TXE FRIDLEY CITY
CODE TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES FROM 32 SPACES TO
26 SPACES ON IAT 12� BLOCK 2� COMMERCE PARK� THE SAME BEING 7398 UNIVER:;ITY
AVENUE N.E.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� RLL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPER60N BETZOLD DECLARED TNE MOSION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. CO��SIDERATIO�� OF VARIANCE REQUESTS PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 214 OF THE FRI
r; .
uest by Roland Benjamin, /tilU U m versity Nvenue n.t., rriaiey, rin.
MOTZON BY MS. GEROU� SECGNDED BY MR. BAA.NA� TO OPEN TXE PUBLIC XERRING.�
UPON A VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED TXE
PIIBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 9:23 P.M.
Chairperson Betzold read the Administrative Staff Report:
AD�9INISTRATIVE STAFf REPORT
7810 University Avenue N.E.
A. PUGLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT:
Section 214.11.2B requires that all free standing signs have a maximum
size of eight (80) square feet in area per development.
APPEALS COt1MISSION MEETING, MARCfi 11, 1986 PAGE 13
Public purpose served by this requirement is to control visual
pollution and excessive use of signs in commercial areas.
Section 214.11.2C requires a maximum height of twenty-five (25)
feet above the finished grade.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to control visual
pollution and excessive use of signs in commercial areas.
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
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"Nissan Motor Corporation has changed the name of the vehicle they
manufacture fran Datsun to IJissan. In keeping with this change they
are replacing dealer signs nationwide. We currently have a fascia
mou�ted brand sign which is 216 square feet and a pole mounted
dealership identity sign which is 48 square feet. Under Nissan's
change we are required to identify the dealership on the fascia and
have the Nissan brand sign pole mounted. Under the manufacturer's
guidelines, Northtown Nissan has qualified for a 160 square foot pole
mounted sign with a fieight of 34 feet.
Since sig� variances are sparingly granted and only for hardship
reasons, I would appreciate your considering the followinq hardship:
A pole mounted sign smaller than the one being requested will put
PJorthtown Nissan at a considerable disadvantage with the other Nissan
dealers. Our competitors' situation is as follovrs:
Pole �lounted
Dealership Location Sign City Code Piax
Royal Nissan Plaplewood
Terry Feldmann Imports Richfield
Burnsville Nissan Burnsville
Miller Datsun Minnetonka
160 sq. ft, 200 sq. ft.
160 sq. ft. 36fl sq. ft.
160 sq. ft. 200 sq, ft.
80 sq. ft. 60 sq. ft.
The size of a dealership's sign does have an impact on the customer's
perception of the business's size and stahility. A significantly
smaller sign would definitely put Northtown Nissan at a competitive
disadvantage."
AD�tINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW:
Sign variances must be carefully reviewed and always have been in the
past. We have included the sizes of other sign in the general vicinity
in your agenda.
Please note that Nissan does make other standard sized signs. Their
criteria depends upon the size of the dealership.
Staff does not have any stipulations to suggest.
APPEALS COh114ISSI0N PIEETING, MARCN 11, 1986 PAGE 14
Mr. Clark stated the Commissioners had received a copy of a sign inven-
tory sheet, On the sheet the signs that were 100 sq. ft. or close to that
were constructed when the code was 100 sq. ft. The signs that were
considerably larger than 100 sq. ft. have and were granted variances at
previous city actions. �
Mr. E3etzold stated he would like to make the following statenent for the
record: He stated he was also President of the Fridley 49'ers Day
Committee, and within the last two weeks, he had sent a letter to
Northtown Nissan thanking them for their contribution to the Fridley
49'ers Days. He did not think this was a conflict of interest for him,
because Northtown Nissan has been a regular contributor in the past
and he had never met Mr. Benjamin before this meeting.
Mr. Benjamin stated that most of his concerns were expressed ir� his letter•
of Feb. 18, 1986. He stated he had a real concern about competing witto
otber dealers in the market area. Unlike a fast food franchise or other
local business, people tend to shop and drive great distances to shop
and compare car prices before they purchase. and in doing that, they are
going to be approaching businesses and facilities with much larger signs.
He felt larger signs had sane impact on a person's impression of the
business and some impact on the decision making. If they have a sign of
80 sq. ft., it might look like a smaller or less stable business to their
prospective clientele, and he was concerned about that.
Mr. Benjamin stated h1r. Hinckley, District Sales Manager for Nissan, was
also at the meeting.
Mr. Benjamin stated he has given some tliought and research regarding other
dealers in this area. Viking Chevrolet on Highway 65 has a 45 ft. high,
225 sq. ft, sign. The neo+ Dodge dealership in [ilaine has a 36 ft. high,
256 sq. ft. sign. Lincoln Mercury in Coon Rapids has been authorized a
30 ft, high, 155 sq. ft. sign. It seemed every other business they have
to compete with have signs about double the size he was authorized to have
in Fridley and, therefore, put them at a disadvantage.
Mr. Benjamin stated the block that Northtown Nissan was located on
(University Ave.) had some vacant businesses. Capp Home building was
vacant, Periwinkle's was vacant, and the Cub Foods building was vacant.
He wondered if a larger sign would have a larger drao-ring power from the
highway and, not only benefit his business, but might generate some interest
and traffic for the other businesses as well.
Mr. Benjamin stated Northtown Nissan was set 6ack a little bit from the
highway, so he thought a� 80 sq. ft. sign with a 25 ft. height would
give them a definite disadvantage. tle stated he was more concerned with
the size than the height. It was possible the requested 34 ft. could
be reduced.
Mr. H3nckley stated they would need to get approval from their head-
quarters that sets the rules for height.
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APPEALS COP4IISSIOP� �1[ETING. MARCH 11, 1
Mr. Clark stated that
would have 20 sq. ft.
they have now.
if the 160 sq. ft. sign was approved, Nissan North
rtare in total signage (including wall signage} than
MOTION BY MR. PLEMEL� SECONDED BY MR. BARNA, TO CZASE TNE PUBLZG HEARING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHRIRPERSON BESZOLD DECLARED THE
PUBLIC HEARING CIASED AT 9:40 P.M.
Ms. Gerou stated she would be in favor of the 160 sq. ft. sign fior Northtown
Nissan. She felt the size of sign on tfiat amount of land was not too bad.
They have given larger signs to other businesses on the same size property.
She was in favor of the variance.
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Mr. Barna stated that doubling the sign size was not true to the spirit of
the sign ordinance; however, they have a situation where there was a business
in the midJle of a difficult block and entry to the service drive was quite
a distance away from the businesses in either direction, so the sign has to
be visible farther than the two intersections that join into the service drive
so people can easily make the turn onto the service drive to get to the
dealership. Because of accessibility, they have granted variances that have
been double and triple the si9n size for other businesses. Because of the
accessibility and the distance the dealersiiip was from the northern and
southern entrances to access tF�e service drive, he would approve the variance
request. He had no problem with the added height to 34 ft.
P1r. Plemel stated that because of the level ground and the visibility, he
would like to see some compromise on the height. He felt 34 ft, was a little
excessive.
Mr. Betzold stated the thing tf�at bothered him about this variance request
was that they would be actually increasing the total signage, including the
fascia and the 160 sq. ft, sign, He did not think an 8� sq. ft, sign was
that offensive. Ne did not think there was a need for a higher sign,
especially if other signs in this area are 25 ft, high. One thing they do
not want to do is start a sign war where everyone wants a taller ei9n. As
the staff report stated: "Sign variances must be carefully reviewed and
always have been in the past." He stated he felt strongly about that, and
exceptions should be granted only when extremely necessary,
MOTION BY MR. BARNA� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU� TO RECO.MMEND TO CZTY COUNCZL
APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE REQUEST PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 214 OF THE FRZDLEY CITY
CODE TO INCREASE TXE MAXIMUM SpUARE FOOTAGE OF A FREE STANDING SIGN FROM
80 SpUARE FEET 2CJ 160 SQUARE FEET. ON ZATS 2 AND 3i BLOCK 3, EAST RANCH
ESTRTES, 56COND ADDZTZON, THE SAME BEING 78Z0 UNIVE'RSZTY AVENUE N.E.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� BARNA� PLEMEL� GEROU VOTING AYE� BETZOLD VOTIt7G NAY�
CXAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOSION CRRRIED BY R VOTE OF 3-1.
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APPEALS COPIMISSION PIEETING, MARCH 11 1986 PAGE 16
MOTION BY MR. BARNR� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVRL OF A VARIANCE REQUEST PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 214 OF 2NE FRZDLEY CITY
CODE TO ZNCREASE THE MAXIMUM HEIGNT OF A FREE STAIJDZNG SIGN FROM 25 FEET
TO 34 FEET ON TATS 2 AND 3� BLOCK 3� EAST RANCH ESTATES SECOND ADDITZON�
THE SAl4E BEING 7810 UNIVERSITY AVENUE N.E. �
UPON A VOICE VOTE� BARNA AND PLEMEL VOTSNG AYE, BETZOLD AND GEROU VOTING
NAY� CAAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLRRED TNE MOTION FAILED BY A VOTE OF 2-2.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTZON BY MR. BARNA� SECONDED BY MS. GEROU� TO ADJOURN THE MEETZNG. UPON A VOICE
VOTE� �LL VOTZNG RYE� CHAZRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MARCH I1� 1986� APPEALS
COIdMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
, r�- ' � �.c -
Lynpe Saba
Recording Secretary