PL 04/06/1988 - 7114PT.AmNTNG COM�iISSION MSETIftG
WSDPSSDAY, APBIL 6, 1988
7:30 P.M.
Jock Robertson
Go�ummity Develognent Director
City of EY idl ey
AGENDA
PLAl�Il�1ING �N1NIISSION P�ETIlJG WE�IESLIAY, APR1L 6, 1988 7: 30 P. M.
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To sp1 it the west 13 feet of Lot 30 (except the westerly 120
feet), Brookview Ack7ition, the same being 1255 - 66th Avenue
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Chairperson Betzold called the March 9, 1988, Plaaming Comunission meeting to
order at 7: 33 p. m
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Members Present: Donald Betzold, Uavid Rondrick, Dean Saba,
A1ex Barna, Sue Sherek
Members A.bsent: Richard Svanda
Others Present: J�m Robinson, Planning Coordinator
Jock Robertson, Comn�ity Developnent Director
Dennis Schneider, City Coimcil Member
Frank Kitterman, 7329 Mariner Drive, Maple Grwe
Sandra Stmde, 7329 N�arirzer Drive, Maple Grave
Charles Campbell, 1890 Tatun Street, St. Paul
(See attached li.st)
1�PPRQVAL OF FEBRUARY 10. 1988. PLAI�R4ING OOrM'IISSION MINCTPES:
M(nION by Mr. Rondrick, seoonded by Ms. Sherek, to apprave the E�bruary 10,
1988, Planning Comnission minutes as written
UPON A VOICE VOi'E, ALL VUrING AYE, QiASRPER.SCiV BErZCLD DECZARED THE r�OTION
C�RRIED U1�IN�U�I,Y.
pUBLIC HEARING• �NSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SP #$8-03. BY FRANK
KITI'FRMAN:
Per Section 205.17.01. C. 2 of the Fridley City Code ta allaw retail sal es of
n�bil e home and R V. parts and ac3cessor ies; per Sect i on 20 5.17. O 1. C. 11 of
the Fridley City Coc�e to allcw exterior storage of materials and equiFxnent
on Lot 1, Block 1, Herwal Rioe Creek Terraoe, the same being 6400 Central
Avenue N. E.
�4�T by Mr. Rondrick, seoonded by Mr. Sal�a, to waive the reading of the
pub). ic hearing notiae and to open the publ ic hea.ring.
UPON A VOIC� VOri'E, ALL VOrING AYE, Q3AIItPERSCN BEI'ZQ,D DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
C�2RIED UNANIl�iOUSLY, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING OPENID AT 7: 35 P. M.
Mr. Robinson stated this property was located at 6400 Cerrtra]. Ave. , west of
Ceratral Ave. , and south of Mississigpi St. It was the previous Miclwest Van
& Sfcorage property. The new owner proposes to use the property for an
insurance rep�ir busiriess including repair to damaged homes due to fire,
storm damage, e�tc. Most of the repairs are done off the prenises.
Mr. RobinsQn stated one special use permit was for attendant portians of the
business which include retail sales of mobile home and RV parts (also
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related to the insuranoe business) and for a wholesale carpet bu.siness. 7S�e
ather special use permit was for outside storage (a possible future use) for
the possila].e sale of campers within the storage areas.
Mr. Robinson stated the property was zoned M-1 (lic�t inchistrial) and abuts
R- 2(residential) on the west, C-2 (general aomnercial ) on the r�rth, and
Q2-1 (offioe/aommercial) on the south. Both immediate properties to the
rnrth and south are vacant.
Mr. Robinson stated that in o�njuzction with the petition, staff has worked
on a site plan impravenent to bring the property into compl iance with the
Zoning �ode. Staff was proposing to redesicpl the parking lot so there is
suff icient setback f rctn ric�t-of-way for plantinc� to screen the parking lot
and also additional green spaoe on the south and north of the parking lot
and in front af the building. A new deoorative fenoe would be placed along
the eastern end of the storage yard, and the other fence that was on the
south and west would need refurbishing. Screening would be added where
possible. Minimtun screening would be like vi.ne treatments. The overall
appearance of the property would then be quite an improvanent over what is
there today.
Mr. Robinson stated that in ac3dition to the site work, Mr. Ritterman has
devised a plan he is proposing to take to the HRA. This area is in a
redevelopnent district. Part aF the plan is for additional off ioe space in
the form of a solarium � the second floor which would extend out over a
oovered walkway. Also, the whole front of the builaing would be stuccoed
and there would be detailing to add some reoesses to the building and shacbw
lines, anal treatment to the south ed� of the building. New winc]ows would
be added and some additional green spaoe.
Mr. Robinson stated they were hoping there would be some major improvements
to the property, k�oth in appearanoe and management.
Mr. Robinson stated staff was revommending the follcwing stipulations:
1. Redesi� �rking lot with �ncrete curb and qutter, striping and
setbacks as indicated in City plan dated Janua.ry 26, 1988.
2. Install autoinatic sprinkling, berming, and landscaping as indicated
on City plan dated January 26, 1988.
3. Install clev�rative fence along east of storac.� yard as indicated on
City plan dated January 26, 1988.
4. Ref urbish nor th, south, and west f enoe adding sl ats and v uies as
needed and approve�3 by staff.
5. Special use for outside storage to be reviewed prior to such time
as owr�er i.nitiates camper business or prior to Nlarrh 1989, whichever
vomes f irst (special use permit la�ases if mt used within one year ).
6. Owner to work with City to desic� an aa�ptable builcling facade
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upgrading plan.
7. Noise to be managed to minimize adverse impack on adjaoerit property.
8. Storage area lighting should pravide for wt-off at property lire.
9. lvo storage will extend above the fenc2 s� as to be visible frqm
outside of yard.
10. All landscapi.ng and site work to be oomialeted by October 1, 1988.
ll. A performanve bond or letter of credit for $20,000 to be su}mitted
prior to taking occupancy of site.
Mr. Betzold stated that in the agenda the Croatanissior�rs had reoeived a copy
of a letter dateal Jan. 12, 1988, from Lisa Campbell, Code Enforcement
Offioer, listing oode violations for Midwest Van & Storage. Will those
violations be addressed by these stipulations?
Mr. Robinson stated that, yes, those violations were addressed in the
stipulations. The letter was included in the agenda to show the
Commissioaiers what kind of wde problens they have haci with this property in
the past.
Mr. Betzold asked what was meant by stipulation #7: "Noise to be managed to
mini,mize adverse impack � adj aoent property. "
Mr. Robinson stated that without being too quantitative, staff jtast wanted
to make the petitioner a�aare that he is adjaoent to residential property and
that if there is any truck mwenent or fork lift activity in the yard, he
should try to make sure the r�ise is not of a vol tune or at a time when it
would be a nuisance to the neighbors to the west. The petitioner has
indicated there would be no probl ens 1 ike that, but staf f j ust wanted to
express that voncern.
Mr. Kitterman stated their business was ]5 years old. They are currently
located at 1639 Cer�tral Avenue in Minneapolis. The building has become too
small, and they have to move up in size. They cater to the insurance
industry, primarily as reconstruction people. They repair manufacturecl
housir�q (mobile homes). Mobile homes �re repaired on site, not on the
prenises. They do this by utilizing 15 servioe �L'Ck.S W�l.7.C11 C]O t0 the site
where the mobile hane is located. They also repair residential housing and
co�nmercial buildinq.s in the same manner. 'I}�eir largest area of regair is in
the church area. One of their largest customers is the Archdiocese of
Mir�neapolis/St. Paul. The Church Board takes up about 70� of their
busir�ess.
Mr. Ritterman stated that maintained on the premises for the use .of
manufactured housing was some specialized materials. An ex�ample would be 4
ft. wide by 14 ft. long ceiling panels for mobile homes which are
i,aiavailable at retail stores. It is brought in frccn out of skate and stored
at thei r warehouse. He stated they can serv ice a mobil e home and
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manufactured housing hoaneowners and do-it-yourselfers in the area by
providing materials and making the materials availat�le � a retail level.
Mr. Ritterman stated they do have and have just initiated as of the first of
the year a floor oovering business which is cbne on a wholesale k�asis only.
The business is primarily the installation of all types of floor coverings
for new oommercial buildings. ,
Mr. Ritterman stated the warehouse at this location is divided into two
specific areas: (1) The hic� ceiling imit would be used for storage of low
goocls--carpeting and racks where the fork lift could operate; and (2) The
lav oeiling wiit would be used for storage of equipment which goes on and
off jobs by their service trucks. TYlat type of equipment is primarily
snaller oompressors, staple c�ns, wheelbarrows, carpet welders, etc.
Mr. Ritterman stated they are looking forward to utilizing this area. One
of the things they want to do for the City of Fridley is make the building
c7esirable from the outward appearance, as well as from the inside
appearanoe. �e building, as it is now, is in pretty poor wndition.
Mr. Barna asked if the servioe vans would be kept in the outside storage
area.
Mr. Ritterman stated the servioe vans are not kept on the premises. The
servioe people drive them to and f rom the job and f rom their homes. On
�casion, a servioe truck might have to oome in to exchange equipnent before
degarting for a job.
Mr. Ritterman stated their hours of operation are 7: 30 a. m to 4: 00 p. m
Monday through Friday.
Mr. Rondrick asked if Mr. Ritterman had any problem with any of the
stipulations outlined by staff.
Mr. Kitterman stated he thought the stipulatians were fair and reasonable.
They were not anything different frun what they are currently abiding by in
the City of Minneapolis. He stated they took a building in Minneapolis very
similar to this building and upgrac3ed it. They reoeived an award f roQn the
City of Minneapolis for the improvenent of that building.
Mr. Betzold stated that in hearing the nature of the busir�ess, haw much did
Mr. Ritterman rely on sales to the general nublic? His reason for asking
that question was he bel ieved it was the long r arige pl an of the City to
close off some of the aa:ess to the area which mi�t have an impact on Mr.
Kitternian's business.
Mr. Kitterman stated last year their sales totaled a little aver $1 million.
Of that aQnoimt, the retail sales were ap�roximately $60,000. With this new
facility, they wvuld t�e enlarging the store size, and he anticipa.ted the
sales volume to double.
Mr. Betzold asked how this location would affect the business as Mr.
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Ritterman was rnt on a major thoroughfare.
Mr. Ritterman stated their busiriess was operated by virtue of a mailer that
is sent to 15,000 haneo�aners, as well as advertised in the Yellow Pages.
Sinoe it was a specialized parts business, the people o�me to then. People
do not learn about then by ciriving by the store. He stated there has been
some discussion about the type of sicgiage that might be use�l, and the
monuenent-type sign would be quite moderate--corporate name and
address—located out in f ront of the }�uilding.
Mr. Betzold stated the petitioner was asking essentially for two special use
permits—one for outdoor storage and one for the sale of campers. What was
the timing for the sale of campers?
Mr. Kitterman stated that in order to make the mave, they need the special
use pennit for the retail area. Since they have no need for the large
exterior yard that is currently asphalt wvered and fenced, their thinking
was that right along with their recreational vehicle sales, perhaps they
oould use that exterior storage spaoe to its best benefit by selling campers
to help subsidize the vost of maving to a larger area.
Mr. Sab�a asked if there would be a� display of campers out in front of the
building.
Mr. Ritternian stated there would not. Ziiey don't want their customers who
are o�ming to select carpet grades or to talk about repair of their home or
church to feel they are doing that at a camper sales area. '�e camper sales
area would be a minar portion of the business. The absolute purpose for
redoing the faae af the building was to t�hold a ni.oe appearanc3e.
Mr. Robinson stated stipulation #9 stated: °No storage will extend above
the f�ce so as to be visitale fran outside the yard."
Mr. Ritterman stated the recreational vehicle store would probably be open
on Saturday morninqs f r�n 8: 00 a. m to 12: 00 noon. Hawever, the o�ntracting
portion of the business would not be open on Saturday or S�day.
Mr. Saba asked if in the future Mr. Kitterman would be storing any damaged
vdzicles in the storage yard for repair.
Mr. Ritterman stated, rio, they wi11 r�t be doing any on-site repair. All
the work is done away from the pranises. However, if they do go into the
caQnper sales busir�ess, they will have to service those wzits. The work
would not be done out in the yard itself, but within the building in the
shop area.
Ms. Jody Bystsrccn, 6533 Lucia Laxie, asked about vans vQming anc7 going.
Mr. Ritterman stated they have 15 servioe vans. They are snall vans. That
day they only had three vans wme in for supplies. OF the 15 service vans,
the majority of the work is in cfiurches, and the supplies needed for repairs
in c�iiurches are primarily plaster and painting-type supplies.
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� by Ms. Sherek, sewnded by Mr. Sakaa, to close the publ ic hearing.
UP�ON A VOICE VOI'E, ALL VOPING AYE, CHAIItPERSCN BETZQ�D DEQ,ARED THE PUBLIC
HEARIlJG CLC�ID AT 8: 08 P. M.
Mr. Saba stated he had no problan with the special use permits as requested.
This was prok�bly a c�ood use for the building and would certainl� be a big
imprwenent to the area.
Mr. Kondrick agreed.
Mr. Betzold asked if the Co�ranission should defer the request for outside
storage �ntil the appropriate time when Mr. Ritterman c3aes need it.
Mr. Rondrick stated he did not think so.
Mr. Barna stated stipulation #5 stated that the special use permit la�ased in
orie year if it was not �sed.
� by Mr. Rondrick, seo�nded by Mr. Saba, to reoommend to City Council
approval of Special Use Permit, SP �88-03, by FYank Kitterman, per Section
205.17.O1.C.2 af the Fridley City Code to allaw retail sales of riobile hoane
and RV parts and accessories; per Section 205.17.O1.G 11 of the Fric7ley City
Code to allaw exterior storage o� materials and equignent on Lot 1, Block 1,
Herwal Rice Creek Terraoe, the same being 6900 Central Avenue N. E. , with the
follawing stipulations:
1. Redesigz garking lat with wncrete curb and gutter, striping
and setbacks as indicated on City plan dated Jan. 26, 1988.
2. Install autamatic sprinkling, berming, and landscaping as
indicated on City plan dated Jan. 26, 1988.
3. Install deo�rative fenoe along east af storage yard as indicated
on City plan dated Jan. 26, 1988.
4. Ref urbi sh north, south and west f enoe adding sl ats and v iives as
needed and appraved by staff.
5. �ecial t�se for outside storage to be reviewed prior to such time
as owner initiates camper kx�sir�ess or prior to March 1989 which-
ever oomes first (special t�se permt lapses if not u.sed within one
year.
6. Owner to work with City to desi� an acceptahte building facade
t�qracling plan.
7. Noise to be managed to minimize adverse impact on adjaoent
property.
8. Storac� area lic�nting should pravide for cutoff at property
lines.
9. No �torage will e�endi above the fence so as to be visible fraa
outside of yard.
10. All lancl�caping and site work to be completed by Oct. 1, 1988.
11. A performanoe bond or letter of credit for �20,000 to be
suvnitted prior to taking occupancy of site.
UPON A VOI(E VO!'E, ALL VU.PING AYE, Q3AIRPERSCN BEIZCLD DECLARED THE AIOTION
(�FtRIED UNANIN�iISLY.
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Mr. Robinson stated this item would go to City Cotmcil o� April 4.
S�NSIDF,RATION OF A I,OT �i.rm, L S #88-01. BY GERAI�D JOI�ON:
To split Lots 5 and 6, Lucia Lane Addition, in order to create three
buildable lots, generally located at 1133- 1145 Mississi�i Street N. E.
M�ION by Mr. Konc3rick, seaonded by Mr. Barna, to waive the reading of the
public hearing notioe and open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOI'E, ALL V�!`ING AYE, Q3AIItPEFt.SCN BETZCLD DEQ,ARED THE PUBLIC
HEARIl�IGG OPFI�T AT 8:13 P. M.
Mr. Robinson stated this property was located jt�st north of Mississippi St.
and east of Highway 65. The petition was identical to one which the
Planning Commisson reviewed in April 1984 and which the City Council
appraved in May 1984. 7�e zoning was R-1, single fanil.y, and was surro�ded
kyy single fanily. 7he proposal was to take two lots, Lat 5 and Lot 6, which
are riow separate tax parcels and buildable lots, and subdivicle them by
splitting off a�roximately 15 feet of the easterly portion of Lot 6 and
adding that to Lot 5, and then subdividing Lot 5 in such a way as to create
Tract A and Tract B with avicess onto Lucia Lane. Lot 7 t�aould stay the same,
and there was currently a purchase agre�nent on that lot.
Mr. Robinson stated one of the previous lot split requests also included the
back half of the northerly Lot 4. Since that time, they have been
successful in reoombining that portion of property with the original parent
property so that pieoe of landlocked property was no longer a problem. So,
the petitioner was to take two lots and create three lots, which was the
same petition appraved in 1984. 7�e lots do meet oode in terms of lot area
and lat width. In fact, they exceed the lot area sulastantially.
Mr. Robinson stated staff was reoomQnending the follawing sti�ulations:
l. Owner to supply a 15 foot bikecvay/walkway easement on Mississippi
Street frc�n Lucia Lane to Highway 65.
2. A park fee of 5750.00 each for Tract A and B be �id prior to
issuance of building permits.
3. Driveway on Tract B to acoess Lucia Lane only.
4. Driv�aay on bal.ance of Lot 6 to be as far east as possible.
5. Owner is responsible to nptify prospective buyer of possible
median on Mississippi Street which oould preclude easterly
mavement f ran Lot 6 and 7.
Mr. Betzold stated that when the lot split is recorded at the County, v�as
there any way of filing these �tipulations along with it--to put the buyers
on notioe that these t-hings are g�oing to be happening?
Mr. Robinson �tated they have alreaoly notified the potential a�arber of Lot 7
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about the �di.an. He stated Charles (�npbell, the property �aner's agent,
has indicated he cnuld put related language into the purchase agreements for
any prospective buyers relating to the oeriter median on Mississippi Street.
Mr. Robinson stated the Commission might want to consider a stipulation
reoommending that there t�e a driveway turnaround installed so vehicles do
not have to back out onto Mississippi Street frcm Lots 6 and 7. ,
Mr. Charles C�mpbell �ated he was with Merrill Lynch and was representing
Mr. Gerald Johnson on the sale of the property. He stated a nianber of
ather real estate wmpanies and developers have attempted to util ize this
propert�. He stated they have advised Mr. Jc�hnson that the best use and the
easiest way to market this property w�uld be to go ahead with its intended
use which was single fanily hccnes. He had advised Mr. Johnson to go ahead
with the lot split based on the market value and his investment in the
property. Mr. Johnson has agreed with this and is motivated to sell the
lots and have hames cvnstructed.
Mr. C�mpbell stated they have made an arrangemerit with Brancbn Construction
to build to suit. �iey are advising a walkout ranh].er type of home in the
$100,000 prioe range. It is what they call a c�ost listing so there could
be an adjustment in the lot or type of house that is Yxzilt there, but they
are trying to alert kuyers that this is the type of construction they see
for these lots. 'Ihey do have a purchase agre�snent on Lot 7, the lot closest
to Hic�way 65. Zfie buyers for that lat have been in touah with 1�1r. Robinson
and he believeci they lazow about the stipulations and the proposed median.
Mr. (�npbell stated he had mentioned to Mr. Robinson before the meeting that
the driveway aould be further to the east � Lot 6. The median issue was
relatively new to him, txit he had no problem with it and will put a
statement to that effect in the advertising and can have a stipulation in
the purchase agre�nent if that is helpful.
Mr. Betzold askec3 wY�at Mr. C�mpbell thouc�t about a c7riveway turnarotnd.
Mr. (�mpbell stated the buyer was satisfied with the deal he is getting on
the lot, and he will know the location and the traffic situation. Any
further stigulations might make it a little harder to market the property,
but he did not see a big proble�► if the Commission wanted to make that
stipul ation.
Mr. Saba stated he liked the stipulation for a turnaround because of the
safety prohlens which oould be created by cars backing out onto Mississippi
Str eet.
Ms. Jody Bystran, 6533 Lucia Larie N. �. , stated there is a lot of on-street
�rking on Lucia Lane whic� aontinues to be a problan. Even with only two
new driveways exiting onto Lucia Lane, there was the potential for a lot
more cars parking on the street. Had any thought been given to this
probl en?
Mr. Barna stated that the standard code requires an ac�equate paved driveway
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and cbuble car �rage and a 35 ft. setback f ran the street, which gives the
potential for five cars to park on the lot. He stated the neighborhood
c�uld always petition to have 'ho parking" sic�s put up; but, of course,
that would then apply to everybocly including the nei�iborhood.
It se�ned to be the gerieral ooncensus of those in the audience that single
family housing was what they have always wanted for this propert� and were
in agree+nent with the lat spl it.
M�I9� by Nlr. Rondrick, sevonded by Mr. Barna, to reoorrnnend to City Council
appraval of Los Sgl it, L. S. #88-01, by Gerald Johnson, to spl it Lots 5 and
6, Lucia Lane Addition, in order to create three buildable lots, generally
located at 1133 - 1145 Mississippi Street N. E. with the following
stipulations:
L Owner to supply a 15 foot bikeway/walk��ay easemerit on
Mississippi Street fram Lucia Lane to Highway 65.
2. A park fee o� 5750.00 each for Tract A and B be Faid
prior to issuanoe of building permits.
3. Driveway on Tract B to aooess Lucia Lane onl.y.
4. Driveway on balance of Lot 6 to be as far east as possible.
5. Owr�er is responsible to riotify prospective buyer of
possible median on Mississippi Street which oould precl�le
easterly mwenent f rcm Lot 6 and 7.
The Coirrnissioners were in agreenent that a driveway turnarounc7 was a good
idea, k�ut felt it was up to the r�ew homeawners to make those decisions.
t]PON A VOIC� VC11'E, ALL VUrIlJG AYE, Q�AIRPERSCI�T BETLCd,D DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
C��RRIED U1�NIhi�J3�Y.
RF,['FT� Jpj�[]p�y 14. ]958, HOiJSING & REDEVELOPMEIa ALTrHO1ZT'i'Y MTNtmFS;
� by Mr. Saba, seaonded by Mr. Rondrick, to reoeive the Jan. 14, 1988,
Housing & Redevelognent Authority minutes.
LTPODT A VOICE VCIl'E, ALL VU!`IlVG AYE, QiAIRPERSCIV BETLC�,D DEQ,ARED THE P10TION
(�1RRTED U1�NIl►10[J�,Y.
IL�T��' RiTARY 1. 1988 PARI� & RECREATT()N (YYiAMTS.RT(1N MTI�TPFC;
� by Mr. Rpndrick, �eoonded by Ms. Sherek, to reveive the Feb. 1, 1988,
Parks & Recreation Commission minutes.
UPON A VOICE VOl'E, ALL VCIPING AYE, Q�AIRPERSC�1 B�!'ZC[,D DEQ,ARED THE Ti0TI0N
CZ�RRIED U1�NIl�iXJS'[,Y.
��IVE FEBI�UARY 4. 1988. HiJt�N RES()UR F� �ISSION NLTII�TPES•
MOrION Y�y Ms. Sherek, sea�nded by Mr. Barna, to receive the Feb. 4, 1988,
Fit,mian Resouraes Coiranission minutes.
UF�OIV A VOICE VOl'E, ALL VCJPING AYE, QiATRPERSCN BETZC�D DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
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(�RRTED U1�NIl�USLY.
RFY'ETVE FE&R�A� 16. �8$. ENVIROI�MEN�AL OtIALITY CO1��IISSION MINUZ'E'SS
d,�Q�T by N'.r. Barna, sewnded by Mr. Saba, to receive the Feb. 16, 1988,
Fhvirorunental Quality Conunission minutes.
UPON A VOI(� VOI'E, ALL VOrIlJG AYE, �iAIRPERSCN BETZC%,D DEQ,ARED THE I�'IOTION
Q�RRIED UNANIl+�JUSLY.
Mr. Robinson stated that � page 5 of the Ehviromne.ntal Qual ity Commission
minutes, the Cwi�¢nission had made a mation reaomanending that the City Coimcil
s�port the proposed Comprehensive Waste Reduction & Recycling Act; that the
City Council pass a resolution in support of the Comprehensive Waste
Reduction & Recycling Act; and forwarcl the resolution to the MPCA, Waste
Management Boarc3, Metropolitan Co�cil, Anoka Co�ty, and State legislators
representing the City of Fridl ey. The Er�v ironmental Qual ity Conanission
would like the Planning Commission to wncur with that reoomanendation.
Mr. Robinson stated there have been publ ic hearing.s on the bill and most of
the cvrbsic�e haulers are opposed to it. Super Cj►c1e was v�enently opposea
to it. 7hey feel they are doing a g�od job and are follawing the initiative
put out by Metropol itan Council and f eel the bill is detr imental to what
they are trying to achieve through curbside recycling.
Mr. Robinson stated they have been looking at bins for cur�ide recycli.ng.
It has been prwen that bins increase �xirticipation dramatically. Fridley
has g�ne to bi-monthly pickups, but it still has not increased particigation
very much. The bigaest problan seemed to be the lack of a distinction
between recycling and c�arkaage placed at the curb. The bins are a strong
visual cue to people to recycle and might help increase �artici�etion.
Ms. Sherek stated she agreed that garbage pickup had to g� hand in hand with
recycling. People ju.st do riot get into a oonsistent �ttern of putting out
recycl abl es.
Mr. S� stated he thouo�t bins were an interesting idea. Maybe the EQC
o�uld look ir�to this and vome up with something similar to what Alinneapol is
is doing in their campaiyn promotion, maybe even get together with
Mirbneapolis and otYier c�omm�ities and make it a metro-wide effort. Maybe
the aosts for bins would be much cheaper when purchased in l�rge voltanes.
Ms. Sherek asked if businesses in the wmm�ity recycle. Does Super C�ycle
pick up recyclables fran businesses in Fric3ley?
Mr. Robertson stated the Chamber of Commerce Board has talked about
organizi.ng recycling. There is a lot aF interest on the part of building
awners in organizing it beca�e there is a real wst savings in rec3ucing the
�no�mt o� �per that has to be hauled away.
ION by Mr. Kondrick, seoonded by Ms. Saba, to wncur with the motion made
by the E�nviror�mental Quality Commi.ssion to reoommend that the City Council
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supp�rt the proposed Comprehensive Waste Reduction & Recycl ing Act; that
City Co�cil pass a resolution in support of the Comprehensive Waste
Reducti� & Recycling Act; and forward the resolution to the I�PC�, the Waste
Management Board, Metropolitan Coimcil, Anoka Cou�ty, and State legislators
representing the City of Fridley.
UPON A VOI(E VOI'E, ALL VOI'ING AYE, Q�AIl2PERSCN BETZCLD DEQ,ARED THE N�TION
(��RRIED UA�NIN�iJS[,Y.
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1. National CDBG Week
Mr. Robinson stated that April 2-9, 1988, has been designated as
National CDBG Week by the National Association of Housing &
Redevelopnent Officials (NAHRO). �e purpose af the week is to pro�►ote
the CDBG program as a vital resource in the development and
redevelopnent of our oomQmmities. �e progr�n has been wt drastically
in the past few years, about 44� sinoe 1981, and the outlook for FY 1989
is doubtful with both the White House and the Office of Management and
Budqet calling for further cuts.
N1s. 5herek stated that an article that caught her eye recently in the
Fridley Fbc:us was that the Association for Retarded Citizens received
block grarYt monies frcm four clifferent m�icipalities last year to start
a toy lending li.brary, and ARC credited the CDBG's of the cities from
which they reoeived the money.
Ms. Sherek stated they might ask Bill Hunt that in publishing
literature, he ask Anoka Co�ty CAP and the c7ifferent orc�anizations that
the City supports to acknowl�dge (1�BG monies as being a gortion of their
ftmding. 'Zhe same thing o�uld agply when they are using CDBG monies to
aoquire Riverview Heights properties or anything else. Any signage
there �hould aclaalowledge C�BG monies the same as the architect, the flRA,
or anyone else are acknowledged.
Ms. Sherek stated that right now they will be making the grants for
1989. 7]�ose people are still in oontact with people in City Hall for
�he 1988 grant monies beca�e they have to give proof of expenditures,
eta When v�r�un�icating with these peogle aver the expenc3itures, etc. ,
city sta£f should make the suggestion thdt any siynage or brochures
published credit CDBG f�ds as a souroe of fi,alcling.
Mr. Robinson statec3 that maybe hLanan servioe organizations' C�G f�ding
could be included as p�rt of a petition that would be sent to senators
and representatives.
MOrION by Ms. Sherek, seaonded by Nir. B�rna, to reoommend that the City
p�rticipate in National C�BG Week, April 2-9, 1988, and that (�]BG monies
visibly spent in the City of Fridley be recognized and identif ied as
such.
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UPON A VOICE V(n'E, ALL VOTING AYE, Q3AIRPERSON BETZ�D DE(3�ARED THE
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MOrION by Mr. Rondrick, seoonded by Mr. Saba, to adjourn the meeting. Ugon
a voioe vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Betzold declared the March 9,
1988, Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 9:00 p.m
Respectf ully sutrnitted,
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Reo�rding Secretary
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March 14 , 1988
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
The City of Fridley Planning Commission will be holding an informal hearing
on a request for a lot split, L.S. �88-02,. by Teresa and John Gibson, to
split the west 13 feet of Lot 30 (except the westerly 120 feet), Brookview
Addition, the same being 1255 - 66th Avenue N.E.
Anyone who wishea to be heard shall be given the opportunity at the Planning
Commission meeting on Wednesday, April 6, 1988 in the Council Chamber of City
Hall at 6431 University Avenue N.E. at 7:30 p.m.
DONALD BETZOLD
CHAIRMAN
PLANNING COMMISSION
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L.S. �88-02
Teresa and John Gibson
Planning Commission Chair
Mayor �
City Council Members
Leland Anderson
6631 Lucia Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Burton Scheven
6610 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Anthony Swanson
6601 Lucia Lane N.E.
Fridley, P�IN 55432
Quentin Steele
6621 Lucia Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Gary Wojahn
6641 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MA1 55432
Bruce Bondow
6616 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Esther Snow
6619 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Helen Clair
6609 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Urista
6599 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Gregg Hinz
6600 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Virginia Ridinger
6604 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
PLANNING 3/17/$8
MAILING LIST COUNCIL
Dick Marquardt Erwin Berglund
'6588 Central Avenue N.E. 6565 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, A�V 55432 Fridley, MN 55432
Dick Marquardt
6592 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Thomas Moore
6580 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Michael Richard
6645 Lucia Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Helen Argue
6648 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Bruce Thornburgh
6630 Channel Road N.E.
Fxidley, MN 55432
William McCloskey
6620 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Janice Bednarski
6610 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55/+32
John Gibson
1255 - 66th Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Loran Palmer
6596 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MAT 55432
Charles Johnson
6580 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Dennis Enright
6571 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Michael Quinlan
6631 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
James Wedan
6581 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Donald Landry
6597 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Richard Berganini
6596 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Robert Skyhawk
6580 Pierce Street N.E.
Fridley, 1►�T 55432
Edward Lancello
6597 Lucia Lane N.E.
Fridley, AIDi 55432
Lawrence Hofschulte
6625 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Roy Boone
6564 Channel Road N.E.
Fsidley, NIN 55432
Donald Findell
6676 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Donald Findell
6634 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
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l� TO: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator
Planrung Conmiissian Mem�ers
!►�MD �ROM: Rathlyn Castle, Planning Assistant '�-
MEt10 II�1TE: April l, 1988
RDGARDING: Planning Coa�missirn Review of Tenporary Sic�age Restrictons
For the past two months, Stafr has been reviewing tne City's pol icy for
Temporary Signage due to noncompliance of the ordinance among Fridley's
busu�esses. A Tenporary Sic�aye Ordinanoe w�ll be sutrnitted in first reading
forn� at the A�ril 4, 1988 Plaruiing Conunission meeting.
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UNAPPROVED DRAFT
about six feet they w�ould not touch and leave Lot 29 oompletely alane so it
sha�lch't affect the cBnetery at all. �
No other persons in the sudi�►oe sp�lae regarding this proposed rezaning.
��+1 bY Co�n�ilman Fitzpatrick to c1o�e the public hearing. Seconded by
Gb�ncilman Bitlings. Upon a voioe vote, atl vating aye, Mayor Nee declared
the mation carried tnanimously �d the public hearing closed at 9:08 p� m
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Mr. Robertson, Commtuiity Developnent Director, stated the awner of the
Riverboat Plaza Shc�ping Center appeared befo�e the Co�cil on t�larc3l 7. 1988
to appeal the Co�ncil's decisicr► on the oomprehensive sicgi plan appraved
July 20, 1987. He stated the Co�cil apprwed this sigi p].an with deletion
of the reader board and a stipulation that future sign permit approval be
based on the implementation of the landscape plan. He stated Council has
decided the lanclscape stipulation sha�ld be deleted as part of the apprwed
sigl glan sinae it has no relevanoe to sig�age.
Hir. Robertson statec3 staff has warked with Mr. IQts and is rec�nmending the
reader board be regulated as a teaporary sic,}� per the o�dinanoe. He stated
the ordinanae states that tenporaxy signs are allowed three times per year
per business for rronoonsewtive 10 day periods. He stated the vortapanel
has been t�sed by the shc�ping center's sev� businesses for approximately 90
days this year. He stated, as a whole. the shopping center cauld use a
teuporary sic� for � to 2I0 days per year, therefore. there are about 120
days left in the year fa� a permitted tenp�rary sign. Mr. Robertson stated
staff i.s reaonmer�ding that each tenant be allowed to use a temporary sic,g�
two more time� this year far nonwnsecutive 10 day periods. He stated staff
feels the sic,g� shouid be removed frara its implarYted state by April 15, 1988
to make it actually portaY�l�
Mr. Robertson stated lancl�cape aptians were also discussed with Mr. Rlus.
He stated M,r. Idus can implenent the pre�em landscape plan apprwed in 1978
or another plan desic,�ed by the City. Mr. Robertson stated Mr. Rlus would
have bic3s on each plan and detennine which will be implenented.
Councilman Fitzpatrick stated .his oanoept cg a portahle sic,p� is a sign that
ocenes and leaves the pr�nises. He stated it t�ver occurred to him that
seven business�es in a store fr�t arrangement would each use it fa� a 10 day
period as many as three times a year to bering the total to 210 days of �se.
Qo�ncilman sahreider stated the reader board was to be j�t a t�mporay sic�
and no or�e errvisialed a shopping oenter aould have several there a].most all
the time.
l�r. Herrick, City Attorney, stated f rom the enf orcement standpoint, the
simPlest way is not to permit then at all. He stated if they ure to be
permitted, then the que�i� must be �C7ressed haw of ten they can be u�ed
and if uses are t�sed on the prenises or ntm�ber cf tenarits.
Mr. I��s stated he did some research and fot,u�c] he doesn't awn the reader
board at the sh�ing center. He stated the sigl c�n be 1 if ted and moveci.
He stated his tenants have taken out a permit for this sic� and he has
advised then when this permit expires, they are to remove it. Mr. R1 us
stated the reason this reader boarol sic� was used was hecau�e the aower was
almw�u�ec�eo rcul T11e pylan s1g1 vl[ IPCULaI ur wIIa rmc a�c�.
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Mr. IQus stated the pylon sigi vonfarrms to the o�rdinanoe and a determinatiori
will be made if it is aost effec#ive fo�r �e reac7er board information to be
plaoed on the existing sigl as the a�st would be ab�� 53,000.
Mr. I��s stated he is in the Ixooess of obtaining bictg for the landscaping
and will de�ide whicii plan to im�alene� when these b,ids are reaeived.
NDTIO�v by Councilman Fitzpatrick to apprwe the vomprehensive sigi gl an f or
Riverboat Sho�ing Center, 7a99 East River Road. as sha�m on Page 3C of the
agenda, with the deletion of the words "plus the detached separate
reader-board sic�" �der Sectian A-1 and deletian of Sectior, A-2 pertaining
to the use of the reader-board sicgi. Se�nded by Councilman Schneider.
L'pon a voioe vate, all voting aye. Mayor Nee declared the motion carried
unanimousl��.
m�cilman Fitzpatrick felt staff and the City Attorney should bring back
inf�Gtioc� as to whether � r�ot the reader board or porta�xinel sigis should
be permitted.
Cotncilman Sc�r�eider stated he would aoncur, hawever, he felt the City needs
to r�ot oril.y �3dress portat�le sic�.s, k�ut other itens �sed in pranations such
as baruiers, balloans, eta
Gb�ncilman Billinc}s stated he l�el ieved staff has prepared inf ormation on
portagar�el si�s far the Planning Commission's review.
Mr. Robertson statec3s it is an adnirustrative headac�e to properly enforee
this ordinance. He stated gart af the p�otalen is that these p�rta.ble signs
are usually rented on a manthly basis and people do not want to only use
than fo� 10 days as is perniitted by the ordinanoe.
Co�ncilAran FitzpQtridc asked if there would be a problem outlawinq these
sigls. Mr. Herrick stated he doesn't know how aEten they are beinq used ar�d
how the business wmmunity would respond, but from an enforcement
stanc�oir�t, it would be easier not to permit then at all.
Councilnan Fitzpatrick felt the Council should probably wait for a
reaor�mendation fram the Plaru�ing Ca�mission.
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PLANNING DIVISION
MEMOR,ANDUM
!� R�: Jock Robertson, Gbnmunity Developnent Director
Planning Commissian Menbers
I�IrD 1�1: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator
1�F.1� DATE : January 22 , 1988
S)B.7E(Ts Planning Co�mission Review o� Te�nporary Sig�age Re�rictians
Ti�e attac�ed meno frcm Lisa C�npbell, Code Enforoenent Specialist, addresses
the problen of the relatively unrestricted use of porta-�,�anel signage by
trulti-tenant busiriess developne.nts. �e existing code allows one siyn per
business for up to ten days at a time and up to three times per year,
pravicied the ten day periods are not oonsewtive. This wording could allow
for ead� tenant in a shopping oenter to have a porta-Farel at the same time.
Multiple display of these signs at one location results in a bli.ghted
a��earanoe.
F.ased upon staff review of other cities terr:r�orary/porta-parel sinnaye
regulations, I suc�gest we aonsider some combir,ation of the follewing c.ode
ar„encinents : •
1. Stipulate no use of temporary/porta-panel signs with all nek�
ao�r.prehensive sic,� plan appravals.
2. Restrict the �se of tenporary/porta-p3r,e1 signage to one time per year
Fer business; this wi11 allow for exposure for ne�►� business grand
openinc}s and r�ajor sales promations.
3. Restrict the use of porta panels to one u�it per tax parcel/developnent
at any one tirr:e.
4. Allaw fur char�geable message sic�age on pylon sigis as a substit�ite for
porta- pinels. '
5. Allaw for banners anc] balloons as temporary prcmational sig�age.
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PI.ANNING DIVISION
MEMORANDUM
Jim Robins�n. Planning Coordir�ator
lE1�D PROM: Lisa C`dmpbell, (bde Enforcanent
lEIrD DAZE ;
S�JEQ':
January 13, 1988
T�nporary Sic�age/Skyw�ood Ma11 at 52nd & Central N.E.
On January 13, 1988, as per your request I c�nciucted an onsite inspection of
ti�e temporaiy sic�age at Skywood yail. Zt�is inspection revealed two (2)
por tatal e si g�s (yell aw por ta,�aanel ) at ti� e west r i c� t-of -way on H i ghw ay # 65
N. E. , between 52nd and 53rd. OF tfie two siqis one has a permit and one doe s
rot. I have spoken with ti�e management af Skywood Mall and they have agreed
to remove the �npetmitted sigi by 3:00 p.m �ursday January 14, 1988. I will
reinspect at ti�at time to to determine aomplianae.
i�ec$rding the pro4len of moce than ore portatale sign on a street frontage at
one time the Fridley sic� ordinance does not expl icitly prohibit this
practiae. �e p�licy regarding portahle sigis as stated in the ordinave is
that portahle siqis may be displayed after a permit is issued by �e City.
I�rmits are limited to three (3) times a year per business, and only for
nono�nsecvtive ten (10) day periods. 9his provision a�uld be interpreted to
allav one sigl per busiress witi�out reclard to whether other businesses along
the street frontage or witfiin a developnent have pulled permits for portable
sic�s and have tfien an display.
we aoul d diange the or diranae by adciiny prw isi ons eimil az to th ose 1 ian i ti ng
the use o� o�er tenp�rary sicfis, sudi as construction ar� real e�tate signs.
�ese are:
1. Q�e (v sic� per street frontage.
2. A pcovisian whi� wauld 1 imit square footage of tfie p�rtat�],e siqi.
3. Locate ro closer t3�an 100 feet to a building outside a� tt�e developaent.
4. A minimun distanae af ben (10l feet fram any property line cr driveaay.
I have also sp�ken witi� ti�e staff af several other cities: elaire, Plymouth,
New Bri�tan, Naple Grave, l�pple Valley and Minnetonka. Four of the six
cities prchibit tfie use of portable sic�s. �ese are: lrlaple Grave, Apple
Valley, New Bric�tan, and l�irmetonka. l�apie Grwe has never permitted the use
a�f portable sigis. Apple Valley has pcahibited their use since 1987. Appie
Valley allaws �angeaiale sic�age witt�in �e desigi of r�ew plyqz sic�ns. I have
requested a aop� of ti�eir ne�r ordir�anae� 4he cities of Blaine and Plymou�h
allaw portaiale sicg�s and have more liberal policies than our arn. ��_ �
cities allaw portahle sic,fis on a per busir�ess basis with no restriction: . 1
the ruanber per street frantage. Blair�e has run into similar problens - � r�e
have witi� businesses, espedally shopping centers, att�npting to abuse tt�e use
of portahle sig�s.
'Rohit�on, Jiai
January 13, 1988
Pbge 2.
Staff reaomaen� that we look at imptenentiru� mare restrfctions on the use of
pertahle aic�s, or prahib�itiny ii�eir uee in the City af flricIley.
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FRlDLEY
PLANNING DIVISION
IVIEMORANDUM
I� �: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator
lEMD fl20M: Lisa Cavnpbell, (bde Enforoement
1''ENI� nATE : January 20, 1988
SUBJECT: Porta-Panels
A:.� per your request I have aompleted research on the use of p�rta-panels in
ather suburbe. The specific poirit of oonoern was haw other cities addressed
the problen of more than ore porta-parel per shopping oenter f rontage . The
questims asked were:
1. Does your city pem►it the use of porta�nel sic�s?
2. If yes, what are the restrictian.s your plave on their use?
3. If rot, how lang has their use been prohibited?
4. If mt, d� you offer any alternative temporary sic,page?
Below is a narrative descriptian of the findings, followed by a summary and
staff reoo�nmendations.
Apple Valleys Prohibits the use of porta-panels. Their use has been
prohibited since January 1, 1988. They do allow
alternative temporary sig�s such as banners and balloons.
A permit is required for all temporary signs. They also
a11ow rrw developers to ino�rporate the changeahle sic�age
into their r�ew sic�.
Maple Grwe: Prahibits the use of porta-panels. The staff person I
spoke with stated that porta-panel s have never been
permitted. The City does allow alternative temporary
signs c�vch as balloons and banners. All temporary signs
require a pern►it. �
New Bric�iton: Prohibits the use of porta-panels. Porta-panels have
never been permitted. The City does allow alternative
temporary sicp�age and all temporary signs require a
permit.
Minnetonka: Porta�aar�els are permitted in Minnetonka. Their use is
limited to 60 days per year, in two r�onwnsecvtive 30 day
periods. This is on a per business basis, hawever, there
is a limit of t�o more than three signs on any parcel � at
�e time. A penuit is required for all temporary si�s.
New developers are sometimes required to enter sign
a�venants vhich preclude the use of �emporary signage.
PLEi�SS NO►1'S: In an earlier memo to you I incorrectly
stated that ltinnetanka prahibits porta-panels. The City
does allaw porta-panels as roted above.
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January 20, 1�8
Page 2.
��s Porta.-par�els are permitted in Blaine. Their use is
limited to fa�r nonaonsecvtive t�vo week/14 day periods pet
year� for a total of 56 days per year. This is on a per
busir�ess basis. A permit is required for all temporary
sic,�s.
There have been cases where shopping oenter managers have
attempted to abuse this policy. One petitior�er has arc�ued
that at 56 days per year �d 30 business he could have a
temporary sign up all year ro�d. Blairye has argued that
this is not allowed under the current writing of the
ordinanoe and the business awrer may take then to oourt.
plY�� Allows temporary sic�s. Their use is limited to four
r�naonsecutive two week/14 day periods per year. This is
a total of 56 days per year. This on a per busine ss
basis, without �nsideratiaz to multiple tenant buildings.
A pennit is required for all temporary sic�s.
St. Louis Fark: Allows temporary signs. Their use is limited to four
nonvonsecutive 30 day periocls per year .�is is a total
of 120 days. This on a per business basis without
vonsideration to multiple tenant buildings. A perm it is
required for a temporary sigi.
�r�9 �alCe Pa�'k: Allaws temporary signs. Their use is limited to three
nonoonsecutive two Neek/14 day periods per year. This on
a per busir�ess basis without consideration to multiple
tenant buildings. A pern►it is required for all temporary
sic.,p�s.
�rr►ary and Reaarmendations
Of the.eight cities survey�, three pra�ibited the use of porta-panel s. OE
the five cities which allowed porta penels only one restricted the number of
sic�s to be displayed ql a propert�, three at one time. This limit was three.
All of the five cities permitting porta-panels allow �sinesses a greater
��r �f' �tal days per year (f.e. 56, 60,and 120) than the City af Fridley.
We allaw a total of 30 days a year in three nono�nsecutive 10 day periods.
The locatiaz requiren�ts of sic�s with regard to setback varied f rcm City to
City. Minnetonka a11a„is the sic�n to be plaoed 18 inches out of a setback.
Where the other four c,ities sim�].y required that the sigi be plaoe a certain
distanoe from the ri�t-of-May. This distanae varied from anywhere from 10
to 30 feet. 0� the cities s�rveyed 37.5$ prohibited porta-panels. All of
these cities allawed alternative te�aporary sic,page.
Staff reo�clS that the City either restrict temporary signs to one on
display per property at ane time or pro,hibit their use in the City.
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would have the double globe at the a�nercial frontage roacl and the sin le
91obe alang the bikeways and minor frontac�s. �
1Kr. Robertson stated the question came u� at staft leyel as to w er they
o�uld get a more tniform light but have the same type c�f 90$ r us, rather
than the 180$ radius on the smaller deaorative 1 ights. Sta wi11 have a
��d°r Supp1,Y a catalog to look into that possibil ity.
1�'►r. Barna asked if staft had looked at the lic�t scatt -eftect from these
lifferent globe lights. He stated there was astronomy club at
Sp�ringbrook Nature Center, and he was an amateur roncmer. He knew if he
was trying to look at samething in the sky over ookdale, he had to look
through a gl ow. He real ized t�at 1 ights were eded f or saf et
dec�orative purposes, . but when it enf ringes n hobbies andy ���S �d
etc., then it hinders professions, .
Peogl e's enJ ayment ei r own back yards.
Mr• I�bertson stated one thing about dea�rative light was they wil,l have
a txansluoent glaw, and they can a low wattage bulb to achieve the
deoorative effect. But, there wo be a c�ertain amount of sky overcast
glare that was u�avoidahle. Ther was a little less of that glare with the
9ooseneck because the casing w at the top rather than at the bottaa.
Mr. Saba asked if there
lights with the State o�
Mr. Robinson stated
working on that.
going� to be any problen with these proposed
�esota s li�iting standards.
ing has to be approved by the State, . and they are
1Kc'• Robertson st�ted they have been told that all the alternatives being
looked at wil��meet 1►�OT�S ��ards. The critical difference was that
MnDO'r wul ,�ervioe� . install, and replaoe the standard o�bra-head curved arm
which i- used all over the state. However, . if a city wants anything
differ�, .I�ppT will eval,uate it and apprwe it for lightin efticie
but�I�ie local g�verrment was responsible for servicing it and replacingn�.
�So the City Cotuicil will have to realize that they are taking on an
ditional aruwal aost if the�, �v iate f ran MnDpT � s stanc3ard 1 ic�tin
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Mr. Robinson stated staft has been asked to look at porta-par�l sigis by one
of the City Council meqnbers. presently, . the city ordinance allows
Porta-p�nels with a permi� It is limited to three non-consecutive times
per year for no more than ten days at a time per }�usiness. �e problan they
get into is there is no direction in term.s of multi-�t ���ngs such as
shop�ing oenters, . so each tenant within a shopping oenter would be allowed
to have that same allo�nent a� sic�, regardless of haw many tenants there
are in the venter.
Mr. Robinson stated they are ending up with so�ne prohl.ens.
2- 3 sic�s up at ane time. In fact, it gives then � addition�a]. � eql �ha�s
of g�lon sig�a9e on an ongoing basia 7�ere were also so�ne groblens a� East
River Road at the Riverboat Shopping Center.
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!'lr. Robinson stated Lisa (�mp�bell, Gbde �hforoement Specialist, did a survey
and famd that three cities prcahibit porta-panels altogether; however, . they
do a11ow banners, . and, in some cases, . changeable message sicg�s such as
reader boards. 73�e City of FricIley, at this tin�e, prahibits a message sign
that cfianges t,he message more than onoe every 15 minutes. pther cities have
similar ordinances to Fridley's, . some more restrictive and some less
restrictive.
Mr. Robinson stated it was stafr's reoomaendation to consider some of the
follawing code anen3nents:
1. Stipulate n4 use o�f tenporan,/porta-p�el sigis with all r�ew
oo�►prehensive sigi plan approvals.
2. Restrict the use of temporary/porta-panel sig�age to one time
per year per business; this will allow for e�osure for new
busir�ess grand openings and major sales �anotions.
3. Restrict the use of porta-panels to one uiit per tax paroel/
devel opnent at any one time.
4. Allaw for d�angeahle message pylon si�s as a substitute for
p�rta-panels.
5. Allow for banners and t�alloons as tenporary pramotional signage.
6. Restrict the use a� porta-panels altogether.
Mr.Imbinson stated that rec+�ner�dation #6 by itself would be a solution, and
reoomnendations #1-5 oould be a sea�nci soluti�.
Mr. Saba asked if the city naw allaved the hot air b�alloons.
Mr. Robinson stated the ordinanoe did not specif ically address the t�alloons, .
and they have treated then as tpsnp�rary signage.
Ms. Sherek stated the oonoern she had was if the city decides to proi}ibit
porta-panel signs, someone is going to come up with some other kind.of
sic,�age.
I'lr. Saba stated he liked the idea a� one sic,� per business per year for a
restricted period of time to be u�sed for special grand openings or special
sa].es. Ae did not find porta-panel sic�s objectional for those kinds of
things, . hut he did f ind it objectional when the use o� the sigi is abused
!�'. Betzold asked if they s�hould be asking the Fridley Chamber of Commerce
for �o�ne input regarding porta-panel sigis.
Mr. Barna stated there was a lot of discussion with the businesses in
Fridley lx�ck when the Si� Co�nittee cha.ired by pat Gabel studied the sic�
ordinanoe and rea�mnended ahanges to the City Council. He thought it was
the main a�noensus then that the businesses will take all the sigis they can
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1'9r. Barna stated the protalsn with the tenp�rary sig� ordinanae ri�t rnw was
there was no teeth in it
1N.s. Sherek stated she liked the idea of one porta-panel per business per
year, .10 days maxim�n. She did not care if the sigi then mwed and another
business used it. What she did object to was when t,he sic� was left in the
same location with the same sale information on it two months after the sale
was over. However, anything they do along these lines would have to
encomgass the temporary banners that are being put on the fronts of
���n`�• ��ar►Y o� these baru�ers are left up for more than four weeks, .
and they get dirty and quite tattered.
N9r• Nobertson stated the real problesn was enforoeabil ity. Whenever they
write an ordinanoe where they have to start wunting days, they introduce
the aomplexity af enforaement. In other wor�, they have to have stafr out
in the f ield w�ting days. �e end resul t was that a lot of viol ations
fall throu� the cracks because the�, cannot field a permanent staft person
to really watch things.
Ms. Sherek stated that right now a business has to pull a permit for a
tenp�rary sig�. So, cme solutio� would be that every Monday (or any other
daY�. staft can print out a list c� the businesses that have t�np�rary si�
P'e�mit.s• As the staft person is driving around and notices signs, he/she
can check the list, see if that business has a permit, . and the date the
permit expires. It was similar to the Police Degartment's "hot sheet" on
1 ioense pl ates or st al en cars.
1�'• Saba stated that if they put ac� a restrictio�n a�, ane sic� per busir�ss
per year for a maximun o� 10 days, where do they dr�„i the 1 ine as to which
business gets to put a sign up during the year? Even it it is on a
first-come, first-serve basis, he did not know it that would hold up in
aourt.
1'9s. Sherek stated the lessor o�f the shopping center should then make the
detern�ination as to which businesses get to put sigis t� c�ring the year.
Mr. Betzold stated that would be a solttion, because most shopping centers
have very tic�t restrictions in their leases that prohibit tenants fram
devel oping thei r awn sigi Fl ans. e�t�
Mr. Betzold stated that it they cb restrict the use of porta-panel signs,
they should probably put something in the ordinance about banners and
balloons.
Ms. Sherek stated she did not think there would be a problen with balloons.
Tt�ose are pretty e.xpensive to rent and a business usually does not leave
then up very long However, there mic�t be a protil.ea with hanners.
�' �r� �99��� that anY t�ap�rary sic,�age or any signage that is not
part of the reooc�ized sic,� plan be limited to 'x" niunber of days per
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developnent per year.
�' �r� ��ed that it the sigl was permitted to one per business, . then
�eY wi11 r� into the prohlen where the sic� aompariy is rentin si
30 days, and if the permit is for only 10-15 days, the business mightsfind
s°ane'°r�e else ��e developnent to take the sigi for the o�ther 15 days. If
the City restricts that to the p�int where the business has to te11 the sigi
°�P'�' �hey cannot rent the sigi because they can o�y rent it for 10 days,
the sic,� aomp�ny wi11 adjust their rent schc-�ule bepuse they want to rent
that sic�.
P9r. Betzold suggested that the lusiness pay a deposit when getting a sign
permi�
Ms. Sherek stated the idea of a deposit was a very good idea. If the
business gets the sicg� down within 10 days, the dep�sit is returned. Make
the dep�sit stiff-5150?
�''!r• Saba stated he also agreed that it would be a good idea to put a
ref�,m�7ab]-e deposit on a11 temporary sign permits. This almost made the
ordinanoe enf or oeahle by itself.
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Mr. Robinson stated this issue was looked at and discussed at earlier
meeting. The issue was that there were going to be varian s with the
taking of nimerous properties along East River Road for r d expansion.
What they did not know at that time was whether or the City was
obligated to grant variances and building permits this. Staft had
talked to the League of Minnesota Cities who stud�, p on the case law. A
Legal Researrh Assistant by the name o�' Jay Squir responded to the City in
� a letter c3ated Jan. 11, 1988, in which he ted that the City was not
obl igated to issue a variance or a buil '
g permit on non-conforming
property, anc3 that these °takings" shoul ea��ize what they are doing to
the property in terms of restricting f ure develognent,.
A'1r. Robinson stated it was his o' ' on at this time to take a'�aait and see"
appraac�. Tt�e only propert�, re sean� to �� issue on, provided the
County purchases all the ther lots which the Planning Commission
reo�mnended, . was a vac.an ot whi,ch was �rt ��e p� �dge Estates which
has a cul-de-sac, .101 76th Way. That lot was being diminished in size
frc�n 9,000 sq. f� 7,500 9q. f�., � it would require a variance for lot
area which was n there before the Cotuity taking
A�r• l�Obinso stated the ather varianoes were for existing structures, . and
they w�er t a prohlen intil such a t,ime as the buildings burned or were
destr to m�e than 50$ of their value. At the time of rebuild, . the
a�wne would have to seek a varianoe. 7�ere was also the chan� t�at some o�
buildings a�uld be relocated at tbe same t,i.me s� they wnuld meet wde.
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HGUSIlVG & RIDEVF3,O�PMENT ALFrH�Y MINJTES, FEgTdTp,RY 11, 1988
CALL TO O1�ER;
Ghairperson Gom�ners called the r'ebruary 11, 1986, Housing & Redevelopnent
Authority meeting to order at 7:06 p.m.
�mr.r. c�,r_r.; �
Members Present: Larry Coamners, Virginia Schnabel, John Meyer,
Members Absent: Duane Prairie, Walter Rasm�sen
Others Preserit: Jock Robertson, F,�cecutive Director of HI2A
Julie Burt, Asst. Finance Offioer
Virgil Herrick, City Attorney
I�u & Juze Lu¢�dgren, 343 Rellogg Blvd. , St. Paui
Alan Rouse, 1786 Hennepin Ave. So.
Mike Nlulrooney. Business Develognent Serviaes, Inc.
Pat Pelstring, Busir�ess Develogaent Servioes, Inc.
Wally Wilber, Coldwell Banker �
Jeff Na¢nmacher, Coldwell Banker
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t�I41Y bY Mr. Meyer, seaondec7 by 1�.s. Schnabel, to approve the January 14,
1988, Housing & Redevelopne,nt Authority minutes as written.
UI�N A VOICE VOi�, ALI, VOI'ING AYE, Q�A�ERSQJ p�N��S DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
(�RRIED U1�TIl►�USLY.
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Mr. lmbertson stated that as stated in his memo to the HRA dated Feb. 5,
subsequent to initiating proceedings to cash Mr. Lundgren's letter of
credit, the City reoeived a prop�sal fraa him to revive the project. Iie ha,d
anticipated a letter of commitment f rom the J. M. Thompson Co. , but Mr.
Ltndgren had ir�f'ormed hi.m before this meeting that he has found another
general contractor Mr. Lundgren feels is more suitable. The general
oontractor was McDevitt & Street Co. and an outli.r�e an this a�mpany had been
set out for the ffitA�.
Mr. Robertson stated staff had also reoeived materials on how this proj ect
would gerierally be structured. Ae stated he felt the appropriate action
would be for the HRA to reoeive more information from Mr. Lundgren on some
estimated timetable for the project. The HRA would �t be making a decision
on this projec� at this meeti.ng.
Mr. L�c7gren stated the HRA had most of the information at this time. He
f elt he had f inancing arranged so he can proceed with the proj ect. He had
made a propositian to staff that he rieeds $850,000 HIZA participation, and he
had outlined the conclitions for what would have to happen. He stated he
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really r�eectied a response to this from the HRA before he could proceed with
the Centennial Mortgage proposition.
Mr. Lindgren stated he needed �23,000 inuaediately to file the application.
He was preparec7 to cb that, Y�ut he was not prepared to do it tuiless the SRA
was willing to participate. He neec3ed some reaction from the HRA before
f il ing the appl ication. '
Mr. Limdgren stated that as the SRA menbers knew, the money market was
changing quite rapidly. �he prime wer� down a few c]ays ago. but most of the
predictions seemecl to iridicate that they are g�ing to get some more decrease
in the short tenn rates and probably a little lesser degree in the long term
rates. This was terribly important in terms of any mortgage because a
quarter of a point �ans about 1/4 of a million dollars in terms of the
mortgage that can be sustained in developing a project o� this size.
Mr. ,Coa�ners asked Mr. Lumdgren to briefly explain what he was talking about
in terms of the werall project, the �nuaitment he was lookinq for,wanh �e
differenoe between the mortgage and how he was going to come up
interun.
Mr. Lindgren stated Centennial Morgage Co. was the co-insurer. In the
f igures they put together, they ca�►e up with a mortgage of 57.252.000. That
was based on 93� occupancy. They have the right to increase that up by
$200, 000 just by going up to 95� occupancy. but they ar e not 1 ikely to do
that. Centennial Mortgage has talked directly to Lee Maxfield, and Mr.
Ma�ield will be able to update the material they will rieed. This will take
about 2-3 weeks once he is notif ied.
r+lr. Oaiieners asked about the differenoe between the equity ana the mortgage.
As he tnderstood it, the contractor was going to contribute a letter of
credit for Sl million, an�d N'ir• Lu�agren Wantecl �e �'' to do it in terms of
a sale and leaseback.
Mr. Luidgren stated that was oorrect. He wanted a leaseback in the amount
of S85U,000 for the raanp. That would build the parking under9roimcl. He had
talked ab�ut it being interest-free o�n the front end for four years. Sis
figures indicated that they can pay back at 8 L2� the entire principle, pay
back the interest at the end of that fourth year, and pay back the entire
principle i.n 11 years.
Mr, Robertson stated �s� fo the '��rst four years. dgren was asking f or
forgiveness on the uite
Mr. Lundgren stated that was oorrect.
Mr. L�dgren stated Centennial Mortgage also
mortgac�e to a private f�d. What theY cb i
ef f ect ; and. ac�oording to the f igures, that
S1 million alone. So. there was another Sl
to go that way.
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would increase the mortgage by
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Mr. L�dgren stated he needed to sit down with staff and work out the
specifics. Mr. Robertson had indicated to him that if the eRA has to buy
property for this project, the HRA might have to buy the entire
property—irore than would be required for the first building. Mr. Lundgren
stated he had told Mr. Robertson that Centennial was willing and anxious to
finanoe the seo�ond phase, the seoond building, aiso, and he would anticipate
that project would follaw 60-70 days behind the first phase. He, saic7 this
becatse it influenoed a little bit the HRA's situation in terms of what the
HRA has to cb about the property.
Mr. Robertson skated that regarc]ing the Levy property where the f irst phase
building would be located, even though Mr. Luldgren would not actually neecl
the front part of the property to prooeed, the comment he had made to Mr.
Lindgren was he did not believe it would be wise for the HRA to buy just a
portion of the property now and then another portion later. It did leave
the ather oo�nercial strip that fronts on University Ave. , and the HRA did
have aoritrol of the oorner lat told servioe station).
Mr. L�dgren stated there were still four phases, and he planned to do all
four phases. I� wanted to prooeed with the retail/oomnercial as rapidly as
P�ssibl� However, he did not warit to pranise more than he could del iver.
The first two phases were the housing phases, and were the anes he wanted to
get lau�checl f irst.
Mr. Robertson stated staff estimated the acquisition cost for the entire
quadrarit at $3 million.
Mr. Meyer asked why it was imp�rtant to bring in a oampany like McDevitt &
Street �. to malce the project go, rather than a local oontractor.
Mr. Lundgren stated there are a lot of contractors who do not like to
publicly bid commercial work. These larger contractors with a lot of
resourcaes and a lat of ability are ahle to go in �a ao a project of this
size anc7 scale with less mo�ey than a aontractor that acts tmder biading.
When they have to put up letters of credit, they wi11 cb the things that are
neoessary to make the project wosk, and they do not want to be long term
awr�ers. They want to get ir�to the project and, within a relatively short
period of years, get out. This particular oontractor works in over 25
states and has sukastantial crecli�
Mr. Meyer stated here was an organizati� r�either the HRA or the City know
anything about that is going to be a key player in this whole project. To
him, this a�m�ny was just a bwlch of money managers who have zero interest
in oonstruction except as a means to make mor�y and then get out. What the
HRA has to have is a an�ractor and an architect team that put up a qual ity
building, so the HRA or the City does not end up putting out money in
maintenanoe, dissatisf ied cl ie.nts, eta
Mr. Lmdgren stated that was his job� He would be the a�wr�er o�' the building
anc7 the ane who would be ensuring the quality.
Ms. Schnabel stated Mr. Limdgren was asking for $850,000. Was the 5850,000
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going excltisively for the writruction of the parking ra�np? Sow many stalls
would be in the ramnp?
Mr. LLmdgren stated there would be 145 stalls in the raeng. He stated he had
not said the $850,000 w�uld pay for the raang. What he has said is they have
the oost o� the building including the raQnp, and they are 5850, 000 short.
To build the ranp segarately mic,�t aost more or less than the $850,000. The
$550,000 was arrived at an the basis of �eed, mt on the basis of the actual
aost of the raunp.
Mr. Ltmdgren statecl he would 1 ike to have s�ae kind of commitment f rom the
SRA tha� they are willing to give him this assistance as of the closing
date.
Mr. Ccnuners stated that other than sayi.ng they might be agreeable to the
oonoept, the HRA was not in a position to make any oo�¢nitn►�►t Lntil they see
the n�unbers and haw it is cping to work, in terms of bonding and the HRA's
abil ity to wv er i�
Mr. Ltndgren stated perhaps the appropriate action would be to instruct
staff to work with him to oome up with something that is satisfactory to
both parties.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would be agreeable to tha�
Mr. Meyer stated he was vexy r�egative to this whole operation, because it
seemecl to him they are sl ipping f ar back f ran the o�ntr ol they shoul d have
on this project. They are losing control of the contractor, and Mr.
LLmdgren was losing more and more ooritrol. Here was a contractor that was
not a oontractor, but a money broker.
Mr. Ltmdgren stated he would not speak anym�re in c3efense o� this aontractor
�til, he oould bring back more iriformation He understood what Mr. Meyer
Was saying, but he hacl to make the project work, whether it was with a local
wntractor or anyone else• TheY have Plans and specif ications for what they
want. He was not iuiterested in building anythinq different froan what he has
always talked about.
Mr. Herrick stated that fran what he was hearing and fran what he had rea.d,
Mr. I,t�dgren's proposal was substantially different than the proposal the
HRA acted on previously. This was really a new proposal. It was also his
imderstanding that there was another group of people who are also irYterestec�
in making a proposal. There were also two groups of people who were
ir�terested in representing the SRA on this site in an atte�npt to market the
site. He would think what the HRA should do is aonsider Mr. Luuldgren s ne�r
proposal and determine whether or not that �roposal was something they
wanted to go along with in concept; but before they could even make �
clecisioaz, they rieeded more ir�ormation The letter f rom McDev itt & Str eet
Comp,any was hardly a oomanitment letter. At best it was an expression of
uiterest. They wuuld also have to weigh the other proposal that will be
forthooming and decide if either prop�sal was s�nethin9 that was acceptable
to the HRA. If neither proposal was acceptabl.e, then the HRA mic�t want�. to
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wnsider getting an e�oclt�ive agent to represent thea on this particular
paroel af land.
Mr. Robertson stated he ha$ discussed this with Mr. Herrick, and they are in
agre�ement with this gerieral oourse af action.
Mr. Comaners stated that at this time, the HRA has not seen ,any other
proposals, other than Mr. L�dgren'a He. did not see any harm in trying to
define Mr. L�dgren's prop�sal a little bit better a�d see what it means in
ternns of dollars and cents. If any�e else oomes in with a proposal, they
can look at it, too. In the meantime, sinoe Nir. Lingren's �aposal was the
o�ly one before the HRA, staff should cp forward and see if it is feasible.
P9r. Meyer stated he agreed with Mr. Commers. He did not see any harm in
going along with Mr. Ltaidgren's proposal in o�noept.
Ms. Schnabel stated that was firye, but she would like to see th�n have a
better tnderstanding of what was being requested of the HRA in terms of a
o�nanitment. Whether or riot they acoept it was s�nething else, but it might
help then further to �nderstand the entire project and everything that has
to be done with that develogaent, r� matter who the developer is. They have
dealt with Mr. Lindgren for such a long time that she did not see any harm
in spending another few weeks with Mr. LLndgren on this proposal.
Mr. Robertson stated staff would get together and try to do some
proj ections.
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Mr. Robertson statecl both Coldwell Banker and Business Developnent Services
have indicated they �vuld 1 i.ke to attend and acldress the HRA briefly at this
meeting. Both firnns were fully �vare of the process but wanted to make a
short presentati� and answer any questio�s the HRA menbers might have.
Mr. Robertson stat�d Mr. Pat Pelstring and Mr. Mike Mulrooney were
represeriting B�iriess Develognerit Servioes.
Mr. P�lstring stated he hacl had the opport�nity to address the HRA for a few
minutes at their last meeting. He stated Business Developnent Services was
not j ust a aommer ci al real estate f i rm. Th ey do a w ide v ar i ety of oth er
activities which would relate very well to this specific project. They are
directly involved in assisting with eoonomic developnent efforts in the
oonBn�ities of Woodbury, Vac�rwis Heights, Little Canada, Marshall, Brair�erd,
Mor�teviclea 'They wnrk extensively with tax increne.nt f inancing. They have
been involvec3 with a nunber af tax ir�renent f inancing proj ects in Woodbury
and Vac�ais Hei�its, Coon Rapids, Fbrest Lake, Moritevic3eo, and Marshall, anc7
feel they have a good working knowledge and tmderstanding of that process.
They get involved fairly extensively direc#ly with developers in assisting
then in their financing and structure o� the projects. 73zey do preliminary
market analysis for developers and for busir�esses. They do have aff il iate
real estate servioes which can be utili.zed in the case where broker servioes
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Mr. pelstring stated they tlave had the opportunity to review the project
with r+tr. Robertson on a nwber of occasions, and Mr. Robertson has pr ov ided
ther, with the basic materials of the sit�e. It was their observation that:
(v it cloes have excellent acaess; (2) reoent growth and re ��o �Pn�3� the
this area has been well reoeived and its reputation was very P9.
primary market that can be served in this area was a mix of housing and
retail/eritertairment; (4) their �al.ysis based on square footage indicates
the site would probahly support between 517-23 mi1-lion.
Mr. Pelstring statecl their approach in talcing a look at the site was beca�se
of representing the site initially as a real estate project with some
potential� they would rather look at it initially with the HRA f roan a
developer perspective. They thought that served a couple of advantages.
The key advarita9e to the HRA was 9aining an imderstanding f rom the HRA's
perspective on exactly what the utl imate benef it to the HRA and the City
inic,�t be. Instead of going through a process which oould be quite lengthy
to select a developer and then begin a rather e�ensive negotiation on the
structure of that development ar�i City assistanoe► theY Would 1 ike to come
to some basic �mderstandings on the structure of that assistance on the
fro� �a SO �and mak �sure t�Y�at�devel.op��� Wil�i ng to meet�those
the questions
o�rmitments.
Mr. Pelstring stated their preliminary revi.ew of the projec:t indi.cated that
frcen the develognent stanc�oir�t► the�' think the site wsts to the developer
ultimately should be i�s fai.r market value. They 1oolced at a nuaber o� ways
to analyze that fair market value. �ey would see the SRA's participation
substantially in the excess costs associated with the acquisition and
c3emolition of the site. That property as raw land had one value, and the
real value to the developer is as raw land. That should be the first
guiding principle they look at.
Mr. Pelstring stated they wt�uld estimate a 50/50 retail/residential mix.
Fbr valuation purp�ses. theY shauld look at approximately S3, 000 per unit
develognent. Seoonc7ly, within the area o� the retail develognent, it was
generally cleciaed on a square foot laasis (again, talking on1Y al�out the raw
land acreage) at a range, at least initially, � 52.00-3.50 per square foot
or �85�000-150,000 per acre. That c�ve then an iimnediate basis to take a
look at what the value af that land really is ultimately to the developer.
Obviously, there were a nunber of variah].es in plaoe•
Mr. Felstring statecl the relationship ultimately between the HRA and the
developer will have a ni�mber of key oomponents. The f irst was that the SRA
and the developer would sic,g� a complex developnent agreement. He was
suggesting that the basic concepts be agreed upon early in the process.
Tliey vaere suggesting that the HRA would provide three levels of assistance
to the developer:
L Fridley �A initiates site assen►b].Y. redevelopnerYt► and clearing.
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2. TY�e Fridley �A and developer agree to an ultimate property
valuation. This aQnotait would be lent to the developer ari a
subordinated basis with a three to four year principa]. and
principal and ir�erest def e=ra1.
3. In aonsideration for the Housing and Redevelopment Authority akasorb-
ing the additionai aoquisition and reolevelopment o�sts, the ,
develaper, in turn, would agree to prwide a 10 to 20 peroent equity
position in the ultimate project. This would pravide that the HRA
would at eome poir� reoeive both its pro rata share of cash flaw
fran the project ancl, uitimately, its gro rata share of the project
appreciatio� upon sale.
Mr. Pelstring stated another imp�rtant factor to c�onsider was that based upon
their prelimiriary analysis, it appeared very clear that the ultimate ber�fit
to the HRA could be pretty strong. They are looking for acquisition,
redevelopnent, and public impraveaent. 73�ey weuld need approximately a S3
L2 million tax incrsnent financing bond. A$12 mitlion project, which was
at the law end of what they w�ere suggesting, would generate approximately
5550,000 a year in increnent. �at increnent would fully a4nortize all the
HRA's front enc] o�sts in the project.
Mr. Prelstring stated the ultimate benefit then to the HRA goes back in two
differe.nt directions. The laan �yment, subordinated mortgage, ass�aaing a
SL 1 million value for 20 years at 8� would gerierate 5112,000 a year to the
HRA. T'hat would be tnencianbered f rcxn the tax increne.nt f inancing process.
The value of the equity �rticipation - 10-20�. This structure says that
the HRA finanoes all of the c�osts of the tax increment financing process,
and that assunes all the site assembly, de�aol ition can be accompl ished f or
$3 L2 million. The developer signs the developnent agreement and retires
all that vost through the tax increment process. In turn, the HRA would
reoeive the land value aver a 20 year time period at 8� and the equity
participation So, concep�tually, this becomes the proposal they woulc7
market directly with the developers.
Mr. Felstring stated they w�re suggesting not just to market the property,
but to actually market a olevelogaer�t fornaat � that when they are c3iscussing
the project with a developer, it was not an open-ended question as far as
what the HRA will pro�vi.de and haw much assistanoe the HRA will give.
Mr. Pelstring stated that as far as their participation, they feel they
would need a six m�th ornnmitment to market the projeck to the developers.
They w�uld like to assist the HRA on a fee basis for the acquisition of
existing sites and suggest this only from the standpoint of consistency
between the HRA and developer. Other than that, they were not suggesting
any other out-of- pocket expenses to the HRA. They were taking the
responsibility to be reimbursed ultimately by the developer of the project.
Mr. Aelstring stated their project schedule was ambitious, but they did not
think it was tnreasonahle: '-� ..
Febr /t�iarch - further developing the v�noept, ooming b�ck to the
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�iA with more specif ics on the structure o� the �� s
assistanoe that the HRA would prwide or allaw to
marke� �ntinue c3iscussions with developers to
cietermirtie interest.
p,pril/May - Identify what they believe to be the �-5 key developers
within the area and requ�est them to sul�n►it prelitninarY
inf ormati on and qual if ications f or the SRA' s initi al
rewiew.
Jine - Be in a p�sition to bring to the� �on ��o�
with their, oonoeptual P1ans. P
d�evelopers.
July -�e HRF► to selec:t o��e o� the developers.
��st - Prepare draft of the aomnitme.nt and rnegotiate
agreene�.
Mr. Robertson stated Mr. Wally Wilber and Mr. Jeff Nammacher were
representing Coldwell Banker.
Mr. Wilber stated they �ncur with much o� what P'Ir• P�lstring had said. He
stated there were some thinc� they wduld cb a little di.fferentlY� � all �n
al,l� thc� agred with the prooess Mr• Pelstring had outli�ed.
Mr. Wilber stated the one thing they w�ou]-d like to stress was that � of the
to get one of these proj ecxs cbne with any developer was that so many
developers are reluctant to make anY ma]or moves tu�less they have tenants
ready to move in ancl �1ess theY have a good lir�e on what the mix was going
to be.
Mr. Wilber �ated two clevelopers he had talked to spec�if�i hl �e�OO�=ty?
project said they were ir�erested but what aould theY Hi
Mr. Wilber stated that was where the s�elling and marketing wo� d,�eL�a�e
�iey are going to have to line up a tenant mix that is g�ing
developers to the point where they are cping to cp on lix�e for a project of
this size. He rather suspected this oould be done 1oca11Y• Q�1dwe11 Banker
had 1 i�es to developers throughouk the United States, but he did not think
they wc�uld have to tap that resouroe. He felt there was enouc,�i interest in
this area in that �rtiwlar talock to get the job done, but he did think a
000rclinated effort in setting it up in the whole prooess will bring to the
table so�ae developers with some irYterest and participation in the project in
order to sustain the interest o� the developers.
Mr. Comaners asked what kir�d of tenants they would look for that would take
10,000-Z0�000 sq. f�
Mr. Jeff Nanmacher statecl it was crucial, especiallY in todaY's market with
lending institutions that are nervo� about projects that are being buil�
and the ovex-builc7in9. that the lender was privy to the marketplace. H�
shaaecl a map that would give the HRA a little insic�it i�rito the marketplace�
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fram his p�ir� a� view.
Mr• Nanmacher stated he had worked in the marketglaae for 2 1/2 years. He
was faniliar with the market and had a pretty good sense of the retail cle�nan
on the market. 7�eir major enphasis would be on what kind of tenants they
o�u1d draw to this kind of developnent. 7�ey would propose to a�me up with
a strong marketing approach prospecting for tenants and, at the �ame time,
wduld be generating this tenant infonaation in talking to developers they
have relationships with and which are naw in the marketplafle.
A'I�'. Nanmacher statecl they have been working on a n�nnber of projects where
there are similar aonoerns. He had put together a developer list of active
retail developers in the marketplace. There were over 60 of then. He
shaved this list as it was or� � the tools Colwell Banker uses in their
Prospecting. He stated they have a11 the tenant categories of retail users.
They categorize tenants that are viat�].e businesses that have more than one
locatian, becatse those tusir�esses might be expanding. They also gather
information on all the sho�ing centers in this marketplaoe, a floor glan of
��� �e tenant mix. eta �is was all part of thei r j ob and the val ue
they bring to developers and tenants by having this ir�formation.
Mr. Wilber stated that getting a developer interested in this area was
totally dependent upon being able to give that developer the type of
informtion he/she needs to think he/she can do a successf ul proj ect. If
they can cb that, then there will be interested developers.
I�1r• Wilber stated that, in stmmary, their first approach was to work with
the HRA in getting a format they ccan p�esent to a cleveloper. At the same
time, they are selecting a developer, they are acquiring the type of
informatin that developer mic,�t need. The developer wants the assurance of
what kind of tenants they c�n bring into that location.
Ms. Schnabel stated, as she tnderstood it, Gblck�ell Banker's expertise was
in finding tenants for alreacly developed centers.
Mr. Nanmacher stated they are always in front af tenarits and understanding
the tenants' r�eeds and requirenents. 731ey take that infanation and help the
tenarit a,et into the ri�t spot. Whether that is in an existing center or
developnent, or whether the tenant's requirenents, plus Coldwell Banker's
1�owledge of some other requirenents put together, would create a need for
an additional shop�ing ceriter. So, they do both. It was vital to their
l�u.siness to work with existing landiorcls and developers who want to builc7
new oenters.
Ms. Schnabel askea Mr. Nammacher or Mr. Wilber how they felt about the
resi�eritial proposal for this property as a mi�
Mr. Wilber stated they w�re in agreenertt with the residential mix.
1�r. Gbmners asked what the financial arrangements would be with Colwell
Banker. Was their oo�snission obtained fran the developer?
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Mr, Wilber stated their fee will be built into the whole thing. They will
ultimately 9e
t their comanission fram whoever buys the property. It was
thei r f eel in9 that thel' w��1d Pr edetermine the f ee based on the f ai r mar e
��� �d �ase the �unissio� on that through the HRA. �ieir responsibility
was to the HRA to market that .�operty. So, yes. , tl�e cleveloper will pay the
oomnissian, but their responsibility was to the HRA so if they agree � what
the oomnission is going to be with what the developer will bring in terms of
the developer's f inancial position, it was better that way. That way they
are not o�ns-tantly negotiating.
Mr. Naim►aci�er stated, yes, their responsibility was to the HRA to maintain
��.ue. Beca�se of that responsibil ity to the HRA, they feel if they are
g�ing to take on the proj ect. theY should be o�mpensatecl by the HRA.
Mr. Wilber stated there were so�ae sPmantics here, 4�t he did not warit to get
in the p�sition where th�y are trYin9 to r�egotiate for the c3eveloper to get
the be� deal fraa the HRA. In a sense, both the HRA and the developer have
to be happy or they are not g�ing to otre res �h ioflRA� best i�e � ht
their enphasis ought to be o� trYing P
Mr. Felstring asked what the HRA's relationship was with Mr• � Lundgren at
this time.
Mr. Oonmers stated the HRA's aontract and exclusive relationship with Mr.
Luu�dgren had t�rminated in August 1986. At that time, Mr. Lundgren
defaulted on his written agreenents with the HRA,, and since then, �dt�ri a
they had not called on his letter o� credit that was posted, theY
to 000perate with him and had en�uraged him. H+owever. �nY kincl of formal,
lec�al relationship terminated over a year and one-half ago.
Mr. Pelstring stated their approach was quite different fro�a Coldw�e
Banker. He did not ant i cipate tal kin9 to mor e than 10-15 dev el ope r s.
c3eveloper is resp�nsihle to make sure space is to be leased and Business
Develogne.nt Servioes will n�t accept the project tmtil the developer has
o�mpleted the preliminary market analysis they need. If the HRA was not
tnder exclusive relationship with anyone ric,�t mw and were basically open
to developnent prop�sals, and if his initial analysis was not eom�ohin��gltat
HRA was inoomfortable with, o�uld he presuae he aoulci pursue a p Po
this stage?
�. p�neners statecl he saw nA reas+on Btisir�ess Develognent Ser�ioes could not
c}o that.
Mr. pelstring stated it would be dorbe entirelY at their own risk. If he did
develop irrterest with a developer, would the flRA be open to hearing about
it?
Ms� Schnabel stated she felt the HRA was always open to ather proposals.
Nir. Herrick stated that at this stage, he was sure the HRA would welcome
looking at any proposals.
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Mr• Niu1 roo�y stated Business Developnent Serv ices was a 1 ittl e dif f er ent
than a typical real estate f irnn in one maj or way. The maj or diff erence,
which has oocurred in Fridley anol which the HRA should be o�miended for, was
that objectives have been established for any site the HRA wished to
clevelop• 7he saaae thing had to be kept in mind for this property. �ey �
look at what the market mi�it offer, what developers might offer, but he
believed it was the position of the HRA and the City to esta�lish some
objectives far that p�operty and then approac�i the developers on that basis.
Too many oo�nt�ities offer a strate� which was oa�naril,y referred to as the
� a G �ana9en►ent by Crisis) approach, take what is given to you, . and then
20 years frcxn naw try to redevelop lt beca�e it wasn't what you wantecl in
the first glaae. They tend to look at the M. A 0.(Mar�agement by Objective)
approach, c,itinq what the HRA wants c3eveloped on that property, look at the
nimbers, and approach developers with those objectives in mi.nd. If those
developers cannot meet those objectives, then they are not the developers
the HRA or the City wants for this projec�.
Mr• Mu7-roo�y stated they d� differ in that regard with major developnent
proposals in that they try to operate in a clirection which establ ishes the
s�ne objectives for the project in the first glaoe, and then make attempts
to achieve those objectives over the long range.
Mr. Wilber stated he would stress that so�netim�s they give the developer so
much credit that the asstunption is that if they put the right parcel
together with the ric�t prioes, they are g�ing to have the vision to come
and qet it all cbne. T�ey feel it doesn't always work that way. Swnetimes
the c3eveloper needs to be ooaxed; and if the developer is interested, he/she
will �me to the taY,i].e.
Mr. Commers thanked Mr. Mulrooney, Mr. Pelstring, Mr. Wilber and Mr.
N�nacher for aaming to the meeting and making thei r presentations. Ae
stated both firms had made their cases very well, and the distinction
between the two was very clear as to haw each f irm felt and how each one
would appraach the pro4len.. �e HRA would certainly give each f irm its
a�nsideration.
(Mr. Gbmners declarecl a 10 minute reaess at 8: 40 p. m)
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Mr. Robertson stated there has been quite a bit o� debate at staff level on
whether or riot to use the State Hic,�way Deparl�nent's "off-�the-shelf" lights
for hic,�iway lighting. It would not only a�st less, but the State Highway
Department would maintain the lights. They are getting some numbers
together on what the costs would be versus what they want to invest in
initial capital investme�nts for a unique "Fridley look" just for highway
lic,�ting. He wondered what perc� of the trave],iny public even look at the
overhead 1 ights, . fixtures, oolors, etc. , as opposed to the proj ected
w�nercial lic,�ting and s�ne of the landscaping features.
Mr. �ners stated he did look at the lights, . and when he sees something
differe.nt, he does notioe it. He was not sure whether the difference in
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aost was worth it, however•
Mr. Robertson stated the real question was: What are they going to adopt
for the highway lighting? It was not only for the University Avenue
Corridor, but r�w it was also for the Highway 65 cat�eway across Moore Lake.
Mr. Robertson stated he would like the HRA to adopt the reo�m�►�tions for
the University Avenu�e Corricbr Phase I with the 73rd Avenue to Osborne R�d
section test, the a7.ternative apprwed at the last meeting, which was si�lY
increasing the maintenance of the existing turf together with the
lanclscaping already approveci by the HRP►; testing the wildflower/prairie
treatmei�t between 69th Avenue and 71st Avenue; and the turf restoration
segnent together with l�dscaping in the urban sec�i� between 57th Avenue
and 67st Avenue.
Mr. Robertson stated the seo�nd reaanenendation would be that the HRA adopt
the reoomnendations in Bar'ton'Aschman� s�G 9. 1987, meno ooncerning what
the sicgial an3 1 ight standa.rd maintenanoe schedul e and cost s woul d be f or
phase I which was approximately 5109,000. �at was ass�ming the clecorative
1 ic�iting and the special werhead 1 ights. If they f i.nally decide on the
MnDO'P lic�ting, that nianber will be lawer.
Mr. ��ners stated there had been mention ab�ut s�me 1cir� of agreenent with
MnDO►P for mairitenanoe.
Mr. Robertson �ated that was correct. He r�er�s�s d the ora�s�m �
dated Feb. 1, 1988, seoond to last paragraph: P°
of the District oontributing a fixed amotmt of money to the Corridor
pro�ect....If any o�sts are to be si'iared bY the District outside of normal
maintenanoe and re�ir, it will require an agrene.nt to be prooessed through
the main offioe.'
rqr. Robertson stated his reo�mnendation would be for then to proceed to do
this. Essentially. the State will give the City a stan of money that will
represent what MnDOT spenc� on maintenanoe. 7�e City will ino�rporate that
money i.rito the City's maintenanoe budge�
Ms. Schnabel stated she had a problen with the planting reoor�snenclati�• She
stated it would have to be clearly �clerstood that these were test sites. .
that it was going to take 2-3 years to get a good feel for what these areas
will look like, at least for the prairie/w3ldPlawer test site. Her biggest
wnoern regarding the prairie/wilc7flawer test site wass Hc�w d�s it appear
to the aammnity? Does it appear that the City and the HRA cannot get their
act toqether? It is not going to look good for a couple of years; yet
people are going to hear that the HRA spent a lot a� moneY on this area' ana
what is the net result going to look li.ke? She had a proble�n doing these
�r��,� Pl�o�neal� ancl then in between the test site s is the ol d st uf f
that has been an eyesore for yeazs. She had a hard time justifying spencling
mo�y on something that is g�ing to look pretty bad for the next couple of
years.
N1r. 4�nmers stated the ather alternative was to make a decision to do the
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whole thing at the same time. T.he HRA has been hesitant about doing that
because they really did not lmav haw it was qoing to turn out. Ae agreed
wl�h Ms• Schrr�bel's a�noerns. At this rate, it was cping to take 4-5 yea,rs
before there is anything to show for the money that is being spent.
Certainly, pu4].ic relations-wise, a lot of legitimate questions will be
raised about what is g�ing on
Mr• Sc�inabel stated maybe the�, shoula yo with the i,ncreased maintenance or
whatever is neoessary--replacement of turf, . etc. , but then try the test
sites for the prairie/wildElawer on another area in the Ci.ty so they can get
a feel for what it will eventual,ly look like, hut where it would not be on a
roadway where everyone sees it. It has always been her choice to do the
prairie/wilaElawer treatment all the wa,�, a7,ong the p�rridor, l�uut she really
questioned doing it piecemeal. She just felt they would get a lot of
criticisn fran the oo�ninity.
Mr. Herrick stated that as a property owner along University Avenue, the
thing he had not 1 iked was that the gr ass was too high, it was f ull of
dandelians, and with the ugly chain link fence, it looked terrible. He
agreed with Ms. Sclv�abel. If there has to be dandel ions, then let's cut
then, and try to keep the area as geen as possihle. 7�iat, . by �itself, would
make a lot of differenae, �d it would improve the area if the chain link
fen°e was renwed. If the HRA decided not to do anything, at least some
increased maintenanoe would Y�e a great impravenent.
1Ks• Schnabel stated she woulc3 1 ike to see the increased mai,ntenance a11 the
waY up ancl do�m the entire Corridor. She. felt that was really what the
people wantecl fram the beginning—something visual that people could see.
If people do not see something happening along there pretty soon, they will
lose their faith in the City in being able to p�oduce.
Mr. Robertson stated that because they woere def er ring making investment s on
the r�ew turf and the prairie grass, the I3RA would have more money to spend
on other things. They would really lose very little by i.ncreasing the
mairitenanoe over the entire Corricbr or a larger test sec,�nent for a season
or two. Ae agreed with Ms. Schnabel � s idea of having the prairie/wilclFlawer
test site off the (brricbr.
1'sr. �mers stated maybe they should ta}�le further discussion and ask staff
to o�me in with a proposal for maintenance. Ae stated he was a little
concerned about the figures Mr. Flora was ooming up with for annual
maintenance fees for Rice Creek Road, Highway 65, the Central Avenue
parkway, and the University Avenue Gbrricbr at 5176,000—$33,000 r�ext s�mer
jist to maintain Lake Pbiryke. Ae would like to know haw Mr. Flora arrived
at those f igures.
Mr. Robertson statecl he would be comfortable with having the discussion
tahled and having staff o�me back with a fairly detailed break-out o�' o�sts;
however, at this meeting, . he would 1 ike the HRA to authorize staff to
prooeed with writing the glans and specs for the landscaping and hard pav�ng
so they can get startecl on that at this time.
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thetic to the idea of improving what they
Mr. Meyer stated he was sympa r for dandel i�►s and
already l�ave. incl�in9 aO�racting with swneo�e tO �Ve' �at is the way
crab grass► to really dress up and m�r what they
l�ns look like anyway and it would look pretty nice to have a mowed and
�,��7 bouleyard system a1a�g the Corricbr.
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Mr. �ners asked if the maintenanoe would inclu� watering. •
1yr. Robertson stated it would have to if theY ��e= t lt wo�a a pena
especially in the cirY �ths of July �a �9�
on the year.
�� �, �. ���1� seoonded b�, Mr, Meyer, to authorize staff to prooeed
With the lanc7sca.ping and the hard surface areas, . including the traffic
sic�als and light standarcls, in the test areas--57th Avenue to 67st Avenue
and 73rd Avenue to Osborrie Road. to d�ef ���a t havWe staff bring�� to
Lntil staff can reoomnend an o�f-site gl
the ne� meeting a detail �e Uni.versity Avenue Gorr �rand an explanation
of maintenanoe to includ�e
[?FON A VOICE VOI'E, ALL VOrING A�r �A�� ��� DECLARED THE 1�OTION
C�RR7ED UI�,NIl�WSLY.
rucia'rNG SEAS�N:
Nir. C�mners stated he would like to have this iten �ntinued also• He would
like to see a detailed review � the maintenanoe wsts fo�ehC� akcouldntt
site also. Ae woulcl also like to raise the issue o� why Y
cb the mairrtenanoe rather than hiring a wntrackor to cb i�
T,.,�r�unnnmTON ON ST. WIr�LT�MS PR�:
Mr. Robertson stated he had asked the people involved if �ee t d the�► the
the HRA o�ulc7 d� at this time, and they have said "no".
egA was very interested in this projec,t; and when there was a proposal or
any ac�ditio�al requests, .they should oome to the SRA.
rn�HF.�2 BUSINESS:
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tTpdate on Poncling at Sprinc�rook Nature Ceriter :
Mr. Robertson stated they are naw at the sta9e where the ponc]s cut the
wal,kw�,s, �ci they have gotten the bids on the rustic bridges. They
will 3� OOOrwhich�the �HRA a�raved in �Navenber.l He stated he would lceep
of S ►
the HRA inf ormed.
Midwe� Van & Storage:
Mr. Robertson stated this was an early notioe oonverning the A'lidh'est Van
& Storage builcling on the west side of Central Avenue by Rice Creek
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Road. He had given the HRA me9nbers a copy of a memo to him fram Jim
RQbinson aonoerni.ng a proposal for redeveloping that property by Mr.
Ridderman for multi-use retail. This property was in one of the tax
increnent financing districts, so the HRA might receive a proposal for
the Marcfi meeting for assistance in upgrading the appearance of the
building. At this time, they have not received any specific design.
This was strictly an ,i�ormation iten at this time.
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�iQ�T bY r't�'• l�'leyer� sewnded by Ms. Schnabel, to apprwe the check register
as preserited.
UPON A VOICE VOI'E, ALL VO!'IlJG 1�, Q��� �p�g� DEQ,ARID THE N�TION
(�,RRIED UNANIl�ISC,Y.
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�I,Q�I by Mr. Meyer, seoonded by Ms. Sdznabel, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Commers declared the motion
carried unanimously and the February 11, 1988, Housing & Redevelognent
Authority meeting adjourryed at 10:00 p. m.
Respectfully suhnitted,
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SPEC[AL HQJSIN�G & REDEyF1,OPl+�1�1T AU�iC�tl'PY MEETIlJG. FEB. 25, 1988
(`AT_T, pRp�;
Vioe-Chairper,�n Schnabel called the ,E�bruary 25, 1988, Special Housing &
Redevelo�ment Authority Meeting to order at 7:18 p� m,
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Me�nbers Present: Virginia Schnabel, Duane prairie, Walter Rasmtssen
Nl�nbers Absent : Larry Camners, Jod�n Meyer
Others Presem : Jock Robertson, F�Cecutive Direc;tor of I�iA
Dave Ne�,m�an. ffiiA 1s,ttorney
Jtne anal Louis L�dgren, 343 Rellogg Blvd. , St. paul,
�ssell Jao�bson, Jaoobson Consulting. Inc.
Nancy Jorgenson, Cotmcilmenber-at-Large
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Mr. Rot�ertson stated that at the February llth 8RA meeting, the HRA had
directed him to meet with Mr. Lundgren, his consultant, and the other
developer interested in the project and get pro formas and analyses fram
then, and came Ltzck to the March meeting with an analysis of both proposals
and a staff rea�mnendatio�. At the same time, the HRA had directed him to
aollect iKr. Ltuzdgren's letter oF credit.
Mr. Robertson stated he had met several times with Mr. Lundgren and Mr.
Russell Jac�obson. This culminated two days ago in a meeting with 1�.
Lindgren, P�Ir. Jacobson, Revin Jensen, Presiderit of the Bank of S�rin�ield,
David Ne�m�an, and himself. At that meeting, a proposal was discussed and
that proposal was now before the HRA in a letter from Mr. Jacobson dated
Feb. 22• 1988• After about 1 L2 hours of discussion, Mr. Newman and he
decideol the praposal was enoouraging enou� that soane time should be spent
to go through the pro forma before going ahead and reveiving the letter of
crec7it. At that meeting, Mr. Li,aidqren and Mr. Jacokson stated that if the
HRA prooeeded to aollect the letter of credit (acl�owledging it was a val id
demand and they would surrender it), the project was dead.
Mr. Robertson stated they first calleci Larry C�amers anol Virginia Schnabel
to ask if they wouicl suspend the HRA's directive �to staff to collect the
letter of credit imtil a special meeting could be called to review Mr.
L�mdgren's new proposal, get some policy direction from the HRA to review
the proposal, anal bring it back to the HRA at their March meeting. Basecl on
that decision, if the HRA then did not accept the proposal, staff would
proceed to collect the letter of credit. Mr. Jensen has already
acknowledged that he will surrender the $200,000 upon receiving the demand
notioe fran Mr. Newman, the ggA attorney.
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ro sal proposes HRA participation in a
�. Robertson stated the new p po
c,�eater aao�nt than the previous proposal• The other developer has said
that if the HRA aocept
s this as a policy direction, they wi11 also make a
Pr'oposal that is structurecl in the sa�ne way.
Mr. N�wman stated staff needs soa�►e a�:horizatian fran the H� L�dgren was
collecting of Mr. Lwzdgren's letter of credit. �at �• �,. If
proposing was a deviation frcm what the HRA has looked at in the'pa
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it is s�mething the HRA war�ts staff to explore further, staff ��del inesW
m ratin within the same 9u.
that, because both Parties should be ape 9 �e �gp, Wants them
�g �re1y wa�ts s�ae direction that this is something
to look .at and spend some time a�n•
�. Schnabel stated that when Mr. Robertson�e �� V�w ���eto make a
asked fo� an oPi.nirn ��ls �W PrOP°�' sis" or "yes, hold
cleci.sirn to say "yes� 90 ahead and do an i.rrdepth analy
the letter o� credit beyanci a oertain time frane" with�ut �e had oncurred
the ERA concurring or taki.ng Fart in that c3ecision.
with the suggestion that a special meeting be called.
Mr. Newman stated they do not want to enter into a formal development
wntract mtil they have further assuranoes that the proje �� �1 that wras
i,u�dgren had indicated to thea that he had fLnd a mortgage PanY
very reoeptive to the proposal; lxit before he reoeives a forn►al answer from
the mortgage company, he must make an appl ication which will cost him
524,000. Mr. Lundgren is �e �� he is no sucoessful.nthe gRP► Would end
resouroes and time; if, in
up entertaining proposals frcm ather developers and he would not be able to
prooeed.
Nir. N�wman stated that at the March meeting.
Staff would like to present to
the HRA two general proPosals. Mr• Ltx�dgren has indi�ted that if the SRA
likes his proposal �a w�ts t� to �oo�a, � will r�eed fran the SRA what
is tantamoint to the first option for a 90 day period. Y�ecavse it will take
75 days to process and review his loan applica c fics and secu ity forlthe
they wiU. have to neqotiate fornnal terms and spe
HRA. If, at the end of the 90 days, Mr.
Lundgren is able to arrange
financing and staff was able to arrange an analysis to the HRA's
satisfaction, they will then enter ir�o a develognent agreeme,nt•
Mr. Rasnussen stated this j�st seemed like another lcng delay.
�ir. N�wman stated that was true, but when Mr• Limdgren first presented this
Fnbertson and himself was that
�w prop�sal to tlzet►. What intric,�ed both Mr'• �at w� prepared to proceed
Mr. i�dgren felt he had a mortgage aanFanY
with the project. It was his imderstancling that to put housing on that
corner was the first priority as opposed to alternative types of
clevel,ognent. It was his understanaing that other prposals sub�nitted to
staff did not include the dollar a�►ount and value that Mr. Lundgren was
proposing. He agreed with Mr. ltasmussen that the SRA has been in this
position n�nerous t����� Robertsonhrior�he were p epared t�cl se �the
does oo�ne together,
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a°°r °n Mr• I�d9ren. They had told Mr. L�mdgren they did not have the
authority to extend the time � the letter of credit, that the only bocly
that o�uid d� that was the HRA, and they a],so wanted to attempt to verify
the information Mr. Ltmdgren had c�i.ven then about the responsibleaess of the
mortgaqe ornnpany.
Mr. Nehm�an stated they had imnediately oontacted Centennial Mortgage Co. in
South Bend, Indiana, and talked to Mr. Schuval,a, who cbes the �mderwriting
for Centennfai. 1yr. Schuvaia in�icat�d �o ��at he was fanilier with the
proposal, he had reviewed the feasibility study, and, based on the
informatior� he had reoeived to date, he was very enoouraqed by the project,
was very interested and felt there was a good 1 ikel ihood of success that
they ttiould prwide mortgage financing for the project.
I"ir• Newman stated that, based on his experience with mortgage bankers, he
was s�n►ewhat surprised at haw positive Mr. Schwala s�eemed to be about the
project. He �ated that, in general, mortyage banlcers are very reluctarit to
ooqnmit to anything until they have a complete gackage. Because of the
positive response they reaeivecl f ran the mortgage oom�ny, Mr. Robertson and
he decidec7 to take the next step which was to ooritact the ERF, to see if this
Proposal merited a little more time to see how viable the project really
was.
Mr• Newman stated the extension was drafted to the effect that tmless they
have agreed in writing to another extensi� or tailess they have agreed in
writing to release the letter orF creciit, then automatically on March 25, the
HRA will reoeive 5200, 000. If the HRA cloes not take any action at this
meeting, then on March 25th, the mor�ey wi11 be delivered.
Mr. Prairie stated he did rmt feel it was any probl.en extending this imtil
the March lOth HRA meetinq, but there o�uld be a prohlen on March lOth.
Mr. Ltndgren stated Centennial Mortgage has all the information he has been
aYal.e to put together wnoerning the Fridley area, the �,�,in Cities area, the
housing area, all statistical data, the Maxfield studies, and all four
phases of the project. They expressed an interest after having received
that information. Mr. A11en Rouse and he traveled to South Bend, Indiana,
to meet with Ceritennial Mortgage, and as a result of that visit, Centennial
wrote a letter stating they would encourage Mr. Lundgren to file an
application. He stated they w�u1d r�t have said that �mless they expected
to do the projec�. They cli,d rtai all the niunbers, and he had given those
nunbers to city staff. �e time they w�re ta].ki,ng about was the time that
was neaessary to file an application. He felt the probabilities of the
project were aver 95$.
Mr. Lundgren stated the only question at all was concerning the exact
mortgage aino�t whi,ch �uld vary during the �mderwriting, and he would hope
it would increase over tlie nt�nber they Y�ave now. Centennial had indicated
that as far as the ftnding was aoncerned, the day t� has a firn� oommitment,
they can mwe within 2-3 days to sell it an the Ginnie Mae market and will
end up with cash in hand. This also will be a commitment for the
oonstruction money as we11 as the �d lo�an. Ri�e end loan on this is a HUD
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guaranteed mortgage.
Mt. Lindgren stated that at the l�aa �e �rong pini�s We�e e�ressedlin
�� �n aut-of-tawn oontractor,
a n,ec,�ative fashi�. 1�s a resu]-t o� that disc�ss� .��e �tanalysis�
eeveral major local oontractors. So. in the pa 9e
��, A,i,c�t },�e ab].e to have a local oontrac�or. ,
wic�ed two cash flow situations basecl upon the
Mr. L�ndgren stated he has pr r �a7.ue of $500,000
l�a val�ae. He eet a lo�w value o� 5142.000 and an u�pe
which shaws what happens to cash in those particular situa�e aslcing fo
extend it out for 15 years. So, in the f inal �a]-Ysis, �eY �e ��ng for
rr� money. n4 forgiver�ess. everYthin9 will be paid back. 7�eY
a laan of 5850,000 �d that all will be paic7 back. Unforttinately� all these
ntim►bers were just given to P'ir. Imbertson at this meeting and neither he or
Mr_ Ne�miati had had time to look then c�ver-
Mr, prairie asked that if the letter o� credit was cashed, would the whole
project fall through?
Mr. Ltmdgr'
en stated that he rieeded help on the f ront end. By . cashing the
letter af credit, that would take a�nother $200,000 that he would not have to
spend on the project. �erefore, he would not be able to cb this project.
Mr, Rasmussen asked if staff felt they oould make a recommendation by the
March lOth HRA meeting.
Mr, Robertson stated they feel th�y can work out the details and give the
HRA a reo�mnendatio�n on March lOth. If the reoonmendation was that the HRA
should g� with Mr. L�dgren. he would then �eed a minimun o� 75 days to get
to the point where Cer�tennial Mortqage would make the Lnderwriting decisi�.
Mr. Robertson stated that if the HRA authorizes staff to analyze Mr.
�aqre��s �oject, then he was g�ing to infoYm the o�ther developer so the
ather developer can bring in a oomparable proposal that Mr. Newman anc3 he
will look at aloalg with Mrs Lund9ren's.
� by NJr. Prairie, aeo�ncled by Mr. Rasnussen► to apprwe the amendments
to the letter aE credit so as to c�nform WieldDavin additionJ staff was
1988, letter to the State Bank of Springf'
authorized to w�c�o � 988 an� meeting w thea'recp.ommendat on on both
back to the Ma .
proposals.
Mr. Rasmussen stated he did sy�athize with Mr. L�mdgren's position, but he
thought they should get on with the develognent o� this property.
OpON A VOICE VCJL'E. ALL VOI''IIQG A3�, VICE-Q3AIRPERSON SCHNABEL DEQ�ARED THE
I�DTION CARR�D UI�T7M)U3,Y.
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SPEQAL HOU.SING & R�Et7EI,ppN�r AUIHORITY N�ETING. FEgR�yy 25, 1988
N�TION bv Mr. Prairie, seconded bv Mr. Rasmussen, to ad�ourn the meetinq. LT�on
a voice vote, all votinq ave, Vic�e-Qzairperson Schnabel declared the Fd�. 25, 1988,
Special Housing & Redevelopment Authority meetinq adjourned at 8:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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� ording Secretary
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H[II�1N �S(XJRL'.E.S OCM�IISSICN
1�EI'II�TG
MARQ� 3, 1988
�T T• TO ORL�ER:
Qiairperson Sherek called the Marc� 3, 1988, Hiunan Resaurces daYmissio�
meetirg to order at 7:40 p.m.
RDLL CAi,s.,:
Mesnbers Present: Sue Sherek, Claudia Dodge, Paul Westby, Francis van Dan
M�nbers Ahs�t: Dick Storla
Others Present: Bi11;Htmt, Assistant to the Gity Manager
Andrew Richert, 1522 Ferndale Ave.
APPRWF:L QF FEBRLTARY 4, 1988, HiII�T RE50U�ES OONMISSICN N[INUZF.S:
M�ICN by Mr. van Dan, secorrled by Mr. Westby, to approve the F'eb. 4, 1988,
H�Z Resources Q�mni.ssion minutes as written.
L�ON A VOICE V�I'E, ALL W�I'ING AYE, QiAIRPERSC7l�i S'EiEREK IaEQ,�FiID Tf� NIO►I'ICI�I
CARRIID [R�iANIMiOLkSLY .
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M�TI�T by NLs. Dodge, s�nded by Mr. Westby. to apprave the agenda with
e follvwing addition: "IJ�date on CTBG �mding° _ Iten b under "Old
Business"
c�c�t A wzcE vo�, �, w�rrr�c �, a��ERSav s� n� m� r�a�rr
c�En c���.
�. ar�o susn�ss:
a. Qonsideratiari of Adult Literacy in Fridley
rtis. Sherek stated sl� had r�ceived a teleph�e call fro�► rir. Tam Alyhra
the previous evening. H�e was w�onclering why the Human Rescyurces
Camnissioai was proveed3.ng an this s�ject withaut a�sulting him.
t�.s. Sherek stated she had explained to Mr. Diyhra that the Co�nissian
had just daie sare brainstorming and that DLs . Claudia Dodge had planned
to oontact him. The CoRmission had felt that sinc�e tJorth Metro had
indicated there we�e some problems in co�tacting peaple and getting
peanle to classes because of child care needs and transportatioa� needs,
it r.�ic�t be apprapri.ate for the Co[miissia1 to discuss possible ways of
assisting in those areas. It was Dir. Myhra's apinioaz that ar�ything tY�e
C,a��issioa� might be doing was a duplicatian of what was already being
done in District 14.
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Ms. Dodc,�e stated it might be a good idea to invite Mr. Myhra to the
April meeting to discuss this. 5he stated she would oontact Mr. Plyhra
and ask him to oo��e t�o the April Ccamnissian meeting to discuss any ways
in which the Catmission might be able to assist him.
Ms. Dodge passed out an invitation for the Anoka County Learning Center
Open House sche�uled for March 24, 1988, at the Andca County Job Training
Center.
b. Update on C�BG E�inding
Mr. Hunt stated that basically the allocati� fran the County this year
was $104,658. Fifteen percent of that would be $15,699 for human servioes.
He stated the City was going to ask for 30�, or approximately $31,398.
He stated a couple of years ago Fridley was able to double its hiunan
services allocation. Because the County can only use 15$ of the tAtal
airount for h�n servioes organizations; and sinve sane of the other cities
w�ere not using their allocations, Fridley was able to pick up the slack.
How�ever, naw m�re cities are using their allocations. This year Fridley
mic�t not be able tA get the full 30�. The himian services allocation will
prabably be between $15,699 and $31,398. The City Council was planning
at their next meeting to ask far the 30�. By the April Co�nnissio�n meeting,
they should know haw much funding would be avai.lable for distxibution to
h�mian servioes organizations.
2. NEW BiJSINESS:
a. 1988 Workplan
D9s. Sherek stated that, instead of creating a new w�rkplan each year as
they had c3one in the past, a couple of years ago, the C�mission decided
to create an c�en ended workplan that can be oantinu�ed fram year to year,
dropping ite� that have been finished or are rro longer of interest and
adding new items of interest as the Conmission members change. 5he stated
that in April there would be a new co�missioner, Ms. Sue Jacksan.
Ms. Sherek stated that regardii�g the Him�an Servives Needs gaal, th�ey had
not yet reached any conclusio�s at this point on the adult literacy issue.
She stated they needed to decide what other items or ideas they waould like
to loak at of those listed and start malcing some plans.
Ms. Sherek stated that, typically, the months of May and June are taken
up with CDBG funding and they usually do n�ot meet in July, so they will
start loaking at it� in August. Also, next month, they should txy to
make sane kind of recam�endatian or findings to the City Council on
adult literacy.
Ms. Sherek statred she was open to suggestians on the current items listed
under the Hi�nan Service.s Needs goal—wYiat kind of priority the Comnission
manbers va�uld like to see an them or any other items of interest the
Ga�tissinr�ers r.ught want to add.
Mr. Westby asked where the Co�mission could make the most ilrQact.
HIJMAN RF�SOURC'.�S OCNS�lISSION N�ET]NG, MAR�I 3, 1988 PAGE 3
DLs. Sherek stated that was a question she had also, and she did n4t have
an answer for it. She stated ane thing that was brought to her attention
by Nancy Jorgensoai, Counci lmember-at-Laxge, was that there are a ntunber
of people in Fridley who do not fall into the catego�y of elderly or
extremely poor, but yet who need assistanoe in their homes, either through
chare service or hame health ai.d, but there are no resaurces available to
these people that �ounci]n�riber Jargenson has been able to locate.
Ms. Sherek stated she did not know if there was anything the Catmissiori
oould do to help, but one possibility w�ould be to talk t�o sareo�e fran
the Chore Sezvive at the Fridley Senior Center to see if they have the
resaur�e.s and/or the interest in expanding their services in specific cases.
In Northeast Minnea�polis, the Chore Servioe far Eldercare will expand its
servioes in extreme cases to people who really do not qualify as seniors,
but who have the same kinds of neec'.s.
Mr. Hunt stat�ed it might be a c�ood idea to have saneone fran the Chore
Service cca�e to a meeting later in the fall to talk about this.
1►ir. van Dan stated that in looking at the objectives, "Child Poverty and
ntunbers" did not s�m very meaningful as described. Was there such a thing
as child poverty p�r se or was it children in a poverty e.nvironment? And,
what can the Cormnission do about child povpxty?
Ms. Sherek stated they v�exe referring to children in poverty. One of the
i�ressions she had gotten fran talking to the school nurse and the school
social w�orkers far District 16 was that m�re and more of the pro�le� being
seen in the schools and in the neigt�borhoods are related to the fact that
there are mc�re and. m�re children living in laa inoane situations. There
is becaning �ra�ch more the two class kind of svciety than there has been
in the past. For �everal years now, the Ccxmnissio�n has been asked to
focus ari the elc�erly. Or�e of the questions the Ca�mission should ask
itself this year is: Is their focu.s in the wrong place or should their
focus be divided? That was one of the things they ho�ed tA deter•mine.
They did not take any substantiv�e action an that, and she still felt they
should.
Mr. van Dan asked what the problem was with children in poverty-�was it
health care or dental care?
Mr. Hunt stated th�y w�ere trying to see what needs are not being met for
children because of their status of being in povpx'ty.
Ms. Sherek stated acie issue siye felt was an issue was the lack of dental
care. She had frnmd out that in the Fridley sct�ools, the school nurse
can refer families who cannot afford dental care to a denti.st in Fridley
and reoeive c�ental care at a min'�al oost.
Mr, van pan statsd dental care shauld be a prime cdnsideration for all
ages.
Ms. Dodge stated that maybe the Gamcussioa� should have same guest sPeakers
for sane of the different issue.s listed unc�ex the Himnan Servioes Needs
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Ms. Sherek stated they should see if scmeone at Anoka Ootmty can get
thgn some population deanographics .
NLS. Sherek stated that as far as the abjectiver "Nbnitor and eno�urage
public aviceptance of Ca�ity Options Residenoe", she would like to
see that rema?n in the w�rkplan and ask far a staff report if, during
�e revi�a of the special use permit, there are any new objections ar
ainp].aints .
The Oa�anissio�ers eliminated the Public Safety and Siu�mer Ei�layment
Guidelines goals. Again, Ms. Sherek stated if the Catmtissian members
had any Public Safety issues they wanted to raise, they v�uld do so at
the next meeting .
Ms. Sherek stated that as far as the Data Utilization Goal, she would
like to have a follavup � the inplementation of Council policy.
Mr. HLmt stated that within �e next oouple of m�nths, a plan should be
put together on what kind of systen �e City will have, but the institu-
tion of the plan will take aboKat a year. It would be a good idea to
follaa up � the MIS CaRnittee and find out whether they have developed
any guidelines or policies.
NLS . Sherek stated the follawup should prc�bably o�me in October which
�uld be priar� to the purchase of the naa systean, yet well �nto the
planning stages.
Ms. Sherek stated this mic�t be a good time to look at the neighborhood
block capta.in ic3ea as she l�ew the F�vironmental Quality �nission was
looking at scme way of utilizing the block captains to �o�urage recycling.
Nis. Dodge stated the City o� Ramsey was just starting this type of
program. Zhe block captain acts as a Key C�mLmicator, a liaison person
between the city and the school district and the peaple in the neighbor-
hood, for evexything frcm recycling to barid issues to crime prevention.
Ms . Dodge distributed vapies of the inf armation oai the progra¢n she was
starting in the City of RaQnsey that might be helpful to the Comnission.
7he Qatmissioai menbers forniulated the follaair�g goal:
Goal: Crime Prevention -to seek infornnatioaz about Neighborhood
Watch Program
Cbjectives: 1. To aoquaint Camnission members abaut current status.
2. To determine if a�ythirig can be dcne to ir�rease
participation.
` 3. To explore the possibility af adding ooaipatible
functions.
I�9AN RESOURCE.S CQ�IISSION MEEPING, MARCEi 3, 1988 PAC� 5
Actio�: 1. Review curre.nt status with representative frcm
Public Safety - August 1988
2. l�eviaa previous discussi� - Sept. 1988
3. Formulate reoa�m�endation to City Cotazcil - Oct. 1988
Tec�nical assistanoe ar
Inforniatian required: Martha McD�nald, Cr�me Preventio� Speci�llist
�he �ission members revised the No-Fault Grieva�oe Goal as follaas:
Goal: No-Fault Grievanoe �mittee - to inc�ease utilization
of our local No-Fault Grievanoe Process
Objective: 1. To ac�quaint the public with the concept and
aperati� of the No-Fault Grievanve Oos[mittee.
2. Zb recruit additional members for the No-Fault
Grievance Catmittee.
Action: 1. Identify methods of publicizir�g.
2. Publicize trainir�g sessio�s .
Ms. Sherek stated ti� Cannission should probably publicize information
about tYye No-Fault Grievanoe CaYmitt�ee azce or twice a year through
the city newsletter, bulletin boards, posters, library, etc.
Mr. Andy Richert stated that it wauld be v�ery helpful if there was a
oontact persoaz and a telephone nunber listed in the Fridley QaYmLmity
DirectAry for anycne looking for assistanoe.
Ms. Sherek stated that was a v�xy good idea.
Nis. Dodge stated it w�uld be nice t�o have a hunan interest stary published
in the Fridley Focais .
Mr. H�t stated he wai].d check into having sanething put in the 1988-89
Fridley Canrnmity LtirectoYy. Also, it vaould be nice to ocn� up with sane
kind of advpxtiserent for the Fridley Focus. �
Nis. Sherek stated they shouLd v�ntinue discussion cn the revised workplan
at the r�xt meetir�g. In the mea�time, if the Oa�missiori manb�xs had any
additional it�s t3�y wauld like included in the workplan, they should
bring thase t�o the next meeting.
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MiO�l.ZON by Mr. van Dan, seoor�ded by Mr. Westby, to adjourri the meeting. L1pa1
a wice wte, all vot,i.ng aye, Chairperson Sherek declared the March 3, 1988,
Hianan Reso�c�s Oarmission meeting adjo�ned at 9:03 p.m.
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PARKS & RECI7EATION OOt�SSION ME.E,TING, N�RCH 7, 1988
c�u.z TO ORDER:
Qzairperson Kcndrick called the March 7, 1988, Parks & F�creati� �nission
meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. '
ROLL CALL:
N1�niUers Present: Dave Kondrick, Mary Sdzreiner, Dick Young, John Gargaro
Members Absent: Dan Allen, A1 Gabel
Others Present: Jack Kirk, Director of Recreati� & Natural Resouroes
Rick DeGarc�er, Program Supexvisor
Bruce Nelso�, Stevenson PTSO
APPROVAL C1F D�ER 7, 1987, PARKS & RECF�ATION QONIMISSIC71�1 MINLTI�'.S:
MC7I'I�i by Ms. Schreiner, seccmded by Mr. Gargaro, to approve the Dec. 7, 1987,
Parks & Recreation Can¢nission minutes as written.
L]PON A VOICE Vt7I'E, AI,L VOTING AYE, Q3AIRPERSCJN KCNDRICK DEC�RED THE NNbTICN
CARRIED L�NI1�fJLTSLY.
APPROVAL OF F'EBRLTP,RY 1, 1988, PARK.S & REC�'.ATIQ�i OQNIlKISSIC7N MINtA�S:
M�ION by Ms. Schreiner, sec�ded by Mr. Gargaro, to approve the Feb. 1, 1988,
Parks & Rec�eation Catmissian minutes as written.
LJPON A VOICE VC1I'E, ALL VOrING AYE, CHAIRPERSCN KCA�IDRIQC DECI�D � N10�IC7rT
GARRIED iJNANINi(XJSLY.
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'Ilze follaaing items were added to the agenda Lmder "New Business":
F. Graduated Outside Player l�le for Softball
G. H.A.F. Participation Rule
H. Eligi.bility/Damage Deposit
M07.'ION by Mr. Gargaro, seconded by Mr. Young, to apprave the agPnda as amended.
UPCN A VOI(� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q3AZRPIIZSCN KCJNDRICK DECIARED THE M7I'IC7rT
CARRIED UI�IANI1NfJiJSLY .
PARKS & RE(�EATICN �'A�IISSIC7r1 MEEI'ING, N�itQi 7, 1988 PA(.� 2
1. STAFF REPORT:
a. Spring Recreation Program
Mr. DeGardner stated the spring programs would be beginning that week.
He stated he was happy t�o report that all the adult instructiarY programs
wexe almost filled to capacity.
Mr. DeGarc�er stated they were currently working on the "Pic�ic in the Park"
at the Springbrook Nature Center.
Mr. DeGardner stated one highlight this spring was a trip to the Minnesota
ZWins Game on Saturday, April 9. 'Ihere were cnly six apenings left.
b. Fridley 49'er Days
Mr. Kirk stated staff has been meeting with the 49'er Days Planning �anittee.
Fri�dley 49'er Days were scheduled for J�e 15-19. He stated the parade
would be held oa� Wec�esday at 6:30 p.m. �e parade was being
coordinated by the Lions Club. Mr. Gargaro and Mr. Madsen were c�o-chairs.
Zhe City will have a mm�es of activities they will be worki.ng oai and
s�porting with the 49'ers Day Planning Oarnnittee. He stated that, hop�
fully, by the next meeting, he �uld bring a tentative schedule to the
Commission me�bers to keep then up to date.
Mr. Kirk stated there is currently no teleph�e nim�ber that people can
call for infozmation on 49'er Days, so the 49'er Days Planning Car�nittee,
acting on a suggestion by Mr. Gargaro, has asked t'�e City to assist them in this
matter. 'Ihis year there will be a separate line into the Recreation office
at City Hall, so c�uring the day that telephca�e will be answered by the
Recreation office regardir�g any questions involving 49'er Days activities.
An answering machine will be operated during the evening hours giving callers the
appropriate people to call for inform-�ticn.
2 . I�n1 BUS INESS :
a. Stevenson El�rentary PTSO - Bruce Nelson
Mr. Kirk stated that at the last m�eting, he had infonned the Carunission
that Dan Klingensmith fran Stevenson PTSO would be a'xni.ng to the meeting
with a request for sane assistance for additional playground equipirent at
Stevenson El�nentary School.
Mr. Nelson stated he was filling in for Mr. Klingensmith who could not ccme
to the meeting. He stated that two years ago the Stevenson PTSO had a fLmd-
raisex and raised fimds. �ey then went to the School Board and the City,
and with the money raised fram the fundraiser, along with fwzds fram the
School Board and the City, built new playground equipmQnt.
Mr. Nelson stated they had another f�draiser with whic-h they wanted tA
get mcare naa playground equipirent to replace the old wooden playground
equipment. He stated they c�ne badc t,� the City, and the City looked� �
it as just haw much equip�xit did the school need before they get diminishing
PARKS & RECI�ATIC7DI C�IISSION ME�,�'ING, MARCIi 7, 1988
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returns, both during school and after school. So, this year they would
still like srnne playground equi�nt, but naa they are look�ng at the old
equipnent and trying � figure aut hvw the old equip�ment o�uld be made
more attractiv�e to the children.
Mr. Nelson stated they asked Mike Dorsey of Earl F. Andexsen &�ssociates
to look at the old playground equipment and giv�e alternative proposals,
the total of all the alternatives was arotmd $12,406. Stevensan PTSO was
asking �e City to contribute the harc�aare for $637, the sand/pea gravel for
$600, and approximately 128 mariYiours. 7he �ly prablem he could not pinpoint
was how many manhours it wauld be for the different alternatives, but 128
hours would be the m3xi.mtm► for everything. He stated the Stevenson PTSO
was not aski.ng the City for mcney to buy the equipmPnt. They are lookinq
at asking the Sdiool Board to split with the PTSO the vost to add to the
old playground equipment.
Mr. Nels� stated he had not yet asked C�rt Dahlberg of the Public Works
Department if he would be oanfortable with s�plying people with the exper-
tise who could shc�w Stevenson people hvw to install the equipment.
Mr. Kirk statec Mr. Flar�a had discussed that with him that day, and Mr. Flora
was agreeable t� pravidiux� the technical assistance as l�g as the School
could pravide imst of the labor.
Mr. Gargaro asked if it was the PTSO's intention to txy to raise the whole
$12,000 to do evezything.
Mr. Nelson stated the PTSO was looking at raising the moa�ey for half the
ccnq�onents and then asking the Sdzool Board for the other half, and then to
ask the Gity for the hardware, gravel, and labor, but he knew that the
School v�uld pravide quite a bit of m�npvwer to help with the installation. T'ney
would just need saneone with expertise to shaw th�n hvw.
Ms. Schreiner asked if the School's insurance would cover the volLmteers
worki.rig ori the project if there was an accident or some�e got injured.
Mr. Nels� stated he had not thought of that as much as making sure the
equipment was installed correctly--the liability resulting fran scr;�etning
put together incorrectly and then a child getting hurt as a result of that.
He stated one possibility would be for the volunteers to sign waivers.
Mr. Kirk stated that often oonpanies will send out a technical advisor to
help vol�teers put the playqround equignent together and then inspect the
equipment after it is installed.
I"ir. Gargaro stated he agreed with Ms . Schreiner. He wauld be sanc�ahat oon-
ce.rned abaut what liability the City would have in a situation like this.
Mr. Kirk stated he would think if they have the tec�nical expertise and then
the equipment is inspected to make sure it is installed properly t�o �pany
specifications, that would certainly help.
PAl�[c.S & REC�2EATICN OONIl�IISSICN N�TING, N�RCH 7, 1988 PAC� 4
Mr. Gargaro suggested the City Attorney be asked about any possible liability
tr� the City. He would hape there would be no proble.ns , because he would
real ly 1 ike to see this kind of th ing mave forward.
Mr. Nels� stated he was quite sure that saneone fran Earl F. An�dersen would
cane out tA help with the installati�, but he would check to �ake sure.
NK3TIC7N by Ms. Schreiner, secaided by Mr. Young, to accept the proposal
fran the Stevenson PTSO that the City contribute harc�aare ($637.00) and
sand/pea gravel ($600.00) and technical expertise, oontingent upon approval
by the City Attamey regarding any liability to the City.
UP�T A VOICE Vt71'E, ALL VOTI1dG AYE, C�iAIIRPE�CN KONDRIQC UEGLARED THE MCyrION
CAR R I ID I fl�iAN I M(JUS LY .
Mr. Kirk stated that sprinq was the Public Works D�artment's busiest time
of the year, so the timing for the installaticn would have to be worked
out with the school. fie stated 'ne would be �Zaopy to work cvith Mr. Nels� in
trying to get city staff together and seeing hvw they can assist the
Stevenson PTSO.
b. Fridley Tiger Hoc�cey Boost�er Club - Softball Zburnament Request
NI�ION by Mr. Gargaro, se�nded by Ms. Schreiner, to approve the softball
tournament request fran the Fridley Tiger Hockey Booster Club at the
Co�mimity Park on Jime 24-25-26, 1988.
UPON A VOI(� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPE�2SCN KONDRIQC DECIARED � MOTION
C��RRIED UNANINYJL�LY.
c. Softball Player S�pension Appeal - Mark Hart
Mr. Kirk stated Mr. Hart had reguested that he be put on this meetirig's
agenda; haaever, Mr. Hart had not sha�m up.
Mr. Kirk stated he wauld like to give the CaYmissioners same background
informati� on this it�n,as it was scmething that could oan�e up again in
the future. �ey had a situation last year in the Class C softball league
where there were two teams playing each other in the playoffs ori a Friday
night. �e of the tea¢ns (Georqe's in Fridley) protested the game cn
eligi.bility, clain� the other te�n (Skywood Inn) was not an eligible team.
When they notified the Skywood 7rin team about the prot�est, the manager
inn�ediately became very angry and upset.
Mr, Kirk stated the George's in Fridley tea¢n c�-ure into the Parks & Recreation
office the follaaing Nbnday morning as required by the guidelines (within
24 hours), paid the $20 protest fee, and filed an official protest that the
other team, in their mind, was ineligible. The Gity's guidelines say the team
filing the protest im�st grove their eligibility first. The team did prove they were
eligible under the City's requirements. After the George's in Fridley team
proved their eligibility, the City had to follow through on the protest.
PARK.S & REC.'REATICIN �SSICN MEE�ING, 1KARC�i 7, 1988 PAGE 5
Mr. Kirk stated that it was playoffs and the Skywood Inn t�eam had another
game sd�eduled for Mranday night. Noxmally during tne regular season, if
there is a protest, there is a week to resolve the protest. This had to
be resolved quickly or it was going t,o put the playoff sc�edule into a bind,
and there was little extra titrie available. �
N�. Kirk stated Mr. DeGardner went tA the g�ne and inforn�ed the Skywood Inn
team that the Gearge's in F'ridley teaan had prc�ved its eligibility, and he
asked the Skywood Inn team for its oodperation. If they oould prove their
eligibility, they oauld �tinue to play in the playoffs. Hc�wever, he also
told them that if they say they are a legal teaQn and later the City finds
cut they are nat a legal teaQn, the team and all the players on it will be
ineligible to play in Fridley the next year. 'Ilie Skywood Inn team basically
laughed at Mr. DeGarc3ner and said they were going to play the game regardless.
�he teaQC► did play the g�une, but it was abvious as they played the ga�ne that
they were ineligible because of the oo�,nts mad,e.
Mr. Kirk stated the team still had tmtil 5:00 p.m. the next day to prove
their eligibility, but they never shvwed up. A call was made to the manager
of the tean. Zhe manager, Craig Hart, was very abusive ori the telephone to
the point of making a threat to a city e�layee (per police report of
Aug. 11, 1987) . �at same irr3ividual, the previc�us year, was a prablem on
the same team at the Cumnuzity Park. It was also reported that m�nbers of
the team who filed the protest reoeived telephrne calls that if they shvwed
up to play the Nbnday night gaQne, they were in trauble.
Mr. Kirk stated that Mark Hart, brother of the team manager and member of
the team, called Mr. DeGardner scme time ago and stated he was not satisfied
with the suspension and wanted to talk tA the Director. Mr. Hart talked to
him and he told Mr. Hart that he was suspended, as were the other players
who chose to play the Monday nic�t ga�ne. Mr.. Hart aske� if he oould appeal
the suspension. Since this was the first time an appeal has been requested.
Mr. Kirk stat,ed he felt the Parks & Recreation Ca�mission was the appropriate
body tA hear the appeal. P�Ir. Hart requested he be put cn the agenda, but
Mr. Hart apparently had dzosen not to shaa �.
Mr. Kirk stated that �ly the players who were at the game and had all this
explained tA them were suspended. They did not suspend those players on
the roster who were not there. The players' names of those who were sus-
pended will app�ar in the manager's manual for this year that they are
sispended.
d. T. R. McCoy' s Sof tball Tournament Request
Mr. Kirk stated this was a naa request for a tournament frcxn a business
in Fridley that sponsors about t� sof tball te.a� in the north metro area.
T. R. McC3cyys is willing to pay the $1,000 "other Fridley organization"
facility fee and the $50 for c�oncessions and oonq�ly with the other require-
ments. Staff did not have a prcablem with making the field available for
that particular weekend.
P�RKS & RECREATICN QONIMISSION MEETING, N�RCH 7, 1988 PAGE 6
M(7rICN by Mr. Gargaro, seoanded by Ms. Schreiner, to approve the softball
taurname�it request by T. R. McCoys for May 20-21-22, 1988.
L1PCi�1 A WICE VO'�, ALL VI�TING AYE, (�iAIRPF,RS�I KQJDRIQC DECLARED �
MOTICN CARRIID Z.�TANINI�I.iSLY.
e. Moore Lake Beadz Operation
Mr. Kirk stated they recently did a s�vey of other beach operations and
fo�nd that Fridley was the only c�nurnmity keeping the beach operi imtil
9:00 p.m. Other crx�munities close their beaches at 8:00 p.m. Mr. Kirk
stated that they found �t of last year that frcan 8:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., no
one was around the beach. It seemed foolish to have a lifeguar� cn
duty when there was no one at the beach. Staff was re�mendinq that they
set the hours of beac� operation at Nbore Iake fresn 11:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.,
a orie hour reducti� in closing t�me. Staff would also like a m�tion fran
the Canmissi� appraving a tentative opening date of Saturday, Jtme 11, and
a closing date of Swlday, Aug. 14.
MOTICN by Mr. Gargaro, seconded by Mr. Young, to approve staff's reco�anend-
ation tA change the hours of operation at Moore Lake Beach to 11:00 a.m. to
8:00 p.m , and to approve the tentative c�ning date of Saturday, Jtme 11,
and a closing date of Simday, August 14.
iJPON A WICE VOTE, ALI, W'�Il�TG AYE, Q�iAIRPERSCI�T KCJNDRIQC DEQ�ARED Tf� NiyI'IO1J
CARRIED LAVANIMfJi�LY.
Ms . Sc�reiner asked if thexe was san�e really hot weather in the year, could
the beach be opened sooner, even just during a weekend?
Mr. Kirk stated a lot of their lifeguards are college students who are not
available earliex in the season, and staff likes to have the lifequards go
through staff training before starting to lifeguard. It might be difficult
tA m�ve the training dates up; haaever, if the situation does arise and there
are lifeguards who oould be available earlier, he would have no problem with
having staff train.irig in May.
Mr. Kirk stated anather problem that can arise is that �ce there are lif�
guards on duty, even for just a weekend, peaple assim�e the beach is cpen.
He thought �ce the beach opens, it should stay apen imtil the official
closing.
f. Graduated O�tside Player laule for Softball
Mr. Kirk stated the Conm,ission discussed this at their October 1987 meeting,
along with the alLUmi rule. �is should not dzanqe the rnunber of outside
players significantly. With this rule, teams would be allawed outsiae
players as follows:
Men's Majors - 5 players Wanen's "C" - 3 players
Men's "C" - 3 players Wanen's F'Lm - 1 player
Men's "D" - 1 player Couples' �- 2 players
PARK.S & RDCF�ATION QONIlKLSSI(JN NEETING. N�F�Q3 7. 1988 PAGE 7
Mr. Kirk stated the basic rationale for try�ng this rule was to giv�e tea�
the incentive to move � a classifica-:::�n oi play rather than be allowed to
plav daan tro a cal.iUer a team should .�;�at be at.
Mr. Kirk stat,ed Blaine will be adapting a similar rule this year.
MOmI(7r1 by Mr. Yo�g, seoonded by Ms. Sc�reiner, to approve the Graduated
Outside Player Rule for Softball.
i]P(7N A VOIC� VCII'E, ALL WTING AYE, Q�AIRPEEiS�T KONDRIQC DECLARED THE
NJU�IC�i CARRIID tAVANIlKOLlSLY .
Mr. Young asked if there were any other sports this rule oould pertain to.
Mr. Kirk stated the basketball league was all one class. If it exp�nded to
the point where there w�ere different classes, then they wuld certainly use
it for basketball, too. At this time, softball was the only sport of any
size that the rule aould be applied to. He ha�d to pra�ote this on a stat�
wide level. It might solve sccae of the prabl� they are seeing,
because so many teams are trying to play daan and they need scme entioement
b� play up where they should be.
g. HAF Participation laule
Mr. Kirk stated the HAF sent their participatioaz rule.
MO�I'I�1 by Mr. Gargaro, sec.•rnded by Ms. Sc�reiner, to approve the following
HAF Participation Rule: "All skaters will skate regularly in g� and
receive as nearly equal ioe time in each game as possib le. Greater leniency
is warranted in game conditions than in scri��ages. However, oonsideration
must be given t,� the effect on skaters, especially yotmger oazes, when a
situation exists where a skater may miss a regular shift on the ice."
UPCR�T A VOICE VO►I'E, ALL VOTING AYE, Q�iAIRPF�RSON KONDRIQ� DECIARED THE NIfJTI�T
CARRIED UNANINKXJSLY.
h. Eligibility/Damage Deposit
Mr. Kirk stated for 7-8 years, they have had an elig.ibility deposit where
a team puts down $100. If the tea�n is in violation of the eligibility
rules, the team loses the $100. Sanething came up this past winter that
caused staff to look at it again and think abaut expanding the deposit.
At halftime of a men's basketball ga¢rie, a glass backboard was shattered.
It was the third one broken in the last faur years, and it cost the City
$600. Staff would like to make the eligibility/damage deposit help pay for
these kirx]s of damages. �e Damage Deposit was being recarn�_nded as follc�ws:
1. In the event that a meirber of a te�n damages equipment or
property caused by an action other than what is considered
"normal" oanduct that is associated with the game (i.e., throwing
the bat), the $100 deposit will be cashed to pay for suc� damages.
- PAI�IC.S & RE(�ATIQV C�CIN�2ISSICN N�TING, �I 7, 1988 PAC� 8
2. The violater will be itrcrediately ejected from the game and
will be subject to further disciplinary action as detexmined
by the league director.
3. Zhe team will be suspended fran the league Lmtil damage.s are
paid in full, and a$100 replacement player eligibility/deposit
is cn file at the Fridley Recreation Department.
Mr. Gargaro asked if sanething �uld be written in the rule that the $100
deposit shall not be paid by the sponsor but rather by the team members.
Mr. Kirk stated that sc�ne oanpanies want to back a team and want to pay the
deposit. They don't want the players to pay anything. He stated they
o�uld suggest that the team me.n�ers gay the deposit, but he did not think
they oould reguire it.
MCyI'ION by Mr. Gargaro, seoonded by Nis. Schreiner, to approve the Eligibility/
D�amage Deposit as reoa�u�nded by staff.
i�ON A VOICE VC1I'E, ALL VOr!'ING AYE, CHAIRPERS(7r1 KONDRIQC I�CLARED TEIE
NY7rIC(V CARRIID UNANINDiZSLY.
3. OLD BUSII�SS :
a. FYSA Girls' Participation Rule
Mr. Kirk stated that at the last meeting, he had presented to the Canmission
the ame.nded participatian rule for FYSA Girls' Basketball. Since there was
no quonun, it was brought back to this meeting for consideration and
approval. �e amended participation rule was: "In traveling, every girl
will participate in the g�cie, whether it is a league game or a tournamPnt
game. By participating, we me.an playing during the game, nat sitting on
the bench or being involved in time-outs, pre-game warnrups or half-time
activities. Every girl will participate in practice also."
MOTICN by Mr. Gargaro, sec�ded by NiS. Schreiner, to approve the FYSA Girls'
Basketball Participation Rule as �nended
UPON A WICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, (��IRPERS(7�1 K�IDRICK DECI�AF2ED 'Ii� NNI(7PIC7r1
CARRIID UNANIM(JUSLY.
AQ70UFd�1NIE1�]T:
MC7I�CN by Mr. Gargaro, se�nded by Ms. Sdzrei�er, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a wice vote, all voting aye, (�airperson Kondrick declared the Mardz 7, 1988,
Parks & Recreation Ca�dssion meeting adjourned at 8:25 p.m. �
Respectfully submitted,
�
Saba
Recording Secretary
QTY OF FRIDLEY
HQTSING & RIDEVF�F�,O�FMENT AU�iCRITY NiII�UTES, Ng1RQ� 10, 1988
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Chairperson Commers called the March 10, 1988, Housing & Redevelo�xnent
Authority meeting to order at 7:05 p. m
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Members Present: Larry C;omners, Duane Prairie, John Meyer
Members Absent:
Others Present:
virginia Schnabel, Walter Ra..qnussen
Jock Robertson, bcecutive Director of i�tA
Rick Pribyl, City Finanoe Director
Jul ie Burt, Asst. Finance Off icer
Dave Newr,�an, HI�A Attorney
Jim Casse rly, 215 S. llth St. . I�1 s.
Norman Brody, Brody & Associates
Lou & Juie Lundgren, 343 Kellogg Blvd.,
A1 an Rouse, 17 86 HPnnepin Ave. So.
Kevin Rouse, 2200 First Bank Place East,
Steve Billings, 5215 Linooln St. rL E.
Gerald S�de, S�de Engineering
Jai Suh, 12 Island Road, St. Paul
St. Paul
N�1 s.
AppR�Vl� OF FE&RIIARY 11, 1,9$$, HOUSING & RIDEVEIAPMENr A[TrHORITY MINITrES:
MC�ION by Mr. Meyer, sewnded b� Mr. Prairie, to approve the February 11,
1988, Housing & Redevelopnei�t Authority minutes as written.
[JP'ON A VOI(� VCIl'E, ALL V(fiING AYE, �iAIRPERSCN O�NQ�IERS DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
C�RRIED UI�Ilr10tJSLY.
APPROVAT OF FEBRUARY 25. 1988, SPECIAL HOUSING & REDEVELOPMEI� AUTHORITY
MTN[TPR MFh'.'i'T1�;;
M�ION by Mr. Prairie, seoonded by Mr. Meyer, to appove the Feb. 25, 1988,
S�ecial Housing & Redevelop�ent Authority meeting minutes.
UPON A VOIC� VOl'E, ALL VCII'Il�G AYE, Q�3AIFtiPERSCN O�NQ�RS DEQ,ARED THE b10TI0N
Q�RRIED UNANIl"XXJ�,Y.
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Mr. Robertson stated that after the special meeting on Feb. 2.5th, staff inet
several times with Mr. Lt�dgren and Mr. Jacobsen to review the financing
arrangements and the pro forma. As the agenda was being prepared on t4arch
4, three issues remained outstanding, and staff suggested an absolute
deadlirye of a week f rom March 11 to try to resolve the followinq three
issues:
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( v The outl i.rye Mr. L�ndgren and Mr. Jacobsen presented seemed to raise some
questior� of an additional S1 mill ion of f inancing of which both Mr.
Newrnan and himself had difficulty in �nderstanding.
(2) Mr. L�.ndqren's �o forma which includes property tax assunptions in the
operational expense area which were one-thi rd to one-hal f of what the
City Assessor estimates the taxes will be on the project qiven Mr.
Ltndgren's values.
(3) Mr. Luidgren insists on a first o�tion of all subsequent phases of the
project--the elderly housing, the shopping, and the off ice complex.
Although that was originally u►derstood to be part of the development
agre�nent, there was some question in staff's mind whether the HRA still
wants, even if all the o�ther questions are resolved, to continue the
f irst option.
Mr. Robertson asked Mr. L�dgren if he warited f irst opt ion on all the rest
of the �,hases throuc� calendar year 1988.
Mr. Luldgren stated, yes, on all phases except the fourth phase, the off ice
pha�.
Mr. R�bertson stated that, subsequently, Mr. Lundgren had said he would
pre�are s�me aom�rables on the property tax questions. Those arrived on
Tuesday, March 8, and the City Assessor had looked at those numbers. Mr.
Madsen had responaed on March 9, essentially disputing the conclusions Mr.
Ltmdgren had made. As a result, Mr. Newrnan and he met Wednesday afternoon
and concluded that the differences in tax dispute were a difference by a
factor of 2, Mr. L�mdgren's being about half of what Mr. Madsen had come up
with. Mr. Robertson stated he then wrote a letter to Mr. Li.mdyren (included
in the HRA Information Packet at the meeting) essentially saying that staff
o�uld not reoo�nend the City proceed with this kind of discre�ancy in ta�oes.
He delivered the letter to rir. Lia�dqren at noon on Wec�esday. Mr. Lundgren
met with his aonsultants and came �ack requesting an early meeting before
the HRA meeting to discuss an outl ine of �n appraach to narraa the yap. At
7:00 p.m just before the HRA meeting, they were still discussing how that
gap o�uld be narrcwed. Obviously, they still r�eded more ti.me.
Mr. Conuners stated that in reading the Feb. 25th HRA minutes, he understood
that the letter of credit will still be reoognized throu� March 25; and, if
the issues can be resolved, sl-aff r.as the right to make a determination at
this poir:t.
Mr. Newrnan stated that was aorrect. If nothing is done on the letter of
credit, then it will autanatically be tendered to the HR�1 on March 25.
Mr. CAmmers asked if there was anything the HRA could cb this evening, ather
than to reoeive the information and let staif oontinue to r,egotiate with Mr.
I�dgr en.
Mr. r�.�nn�az stated the issue staff needs a sense of direction on was the
question pertaining to r1r. LLndgren's desire to have an option to develop
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the balanoe of the property.
Mr. Comners stated the original oontract provided that Mr. Lundgren would
have those c3evelognent ric�ts, but the oriqinal oontract is no longer valid.
Mr. Newr�n stated it was his uiderstanding that if, in fact, staff feels the
nianbers make sense and they can move forward with this and qo with the
additia�al 90 day period so Mr. Lt,ndgren can make the loan appl ication, at
that time they would be precluding any discussions with ather developers on
the entire site. �ere seems to be some interest among developers to do
retail cn some of the ather portions of the site. Staff needs to know
whether the HRA feels oomfortable in staff precluding the exploration of
ather opporttnities while Mr. Ltmdgren makes his laan applicaticn.
Mr. Prairie stated he felt if the first two issues could be resolved in
those 90 days, the third issue was not a great problan.
Mr. Newman stated it was the sense of staff at this point that they are
tn�mfortable reconmending that first option beca�se if the first o�tion was
granted, staff would probably effectively be precluded f ran developing other
garcels ra�;aining on the site during this construction season
Mr. C�ners stated it was now March 10 and the HRA has not been approached
with any type o� formality on any other �raels. He did not see how anyone
would be able to c3o anything in 90 days.
Mr. Prairie agreed. He stated that for as long as this has taken, another
90 days was a pretty short period of time. Obv iously, they want to have
this site developed as soon as �ossible.
Mr. Corrmers stated he felt it was the wncensus of the HRA that if staff is
able to resolve the ather issues that Mr. Llmdgren be a,ranted the 9Q day
first ric�t of refusal on the ather �raels for further develo�xnent, based
on the HRA's uzderstanding that any necptiations would have to be completed
by March 25.
Mr. Meyer and Mr. Prairie ar�reed they �uld not have a problan with that.
Mr. Limdgren stated that if they re,arh satisfactary negotiations by March
25, when did the 90 days start?
Mr. ('Ammers stated that if staff can resolve these issues satisfactorily
with Mr. LLndgren, staff had the authority to authorize Mr. Lundgren to go
ahead, and he will r�ot have to oome back before the HRA.
Mr. LLndgren stated he has felt fran the beginning and he thought the HRA
felt sinilarly that this was a mixed use project in which there was
vonsiderable benefit in having a i.nified type project, architecturally and
otherwi�e.
Mr. Meyer stated at the Feb. 25th special Y.RA meeting, Mr. Lundgren had
talked about rx�w looking at local contractors for the project. He just
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wanted Mr. Ltndgren to lazow that he was not so wnoerred about who might be
building the project, but uzder what circ�unstances would the builder hold
more power to decide what goes on in the project than either 1�',r. Ltndgren or
the HRA?
Mr. Ltndgren stated he felt Mr. M�eyer's present and past oom�nents regarding
the builder were made with a great deal of justif ication. He stated he felt
the same way. At the present time, he was negotiating very closely and felt
that within the time frane of these negotiations, he would have finished
negotiations with Krause Anderson, a local and substantial firm. His
arrangement with then would be strictly an irivitational bid sit�ation. They
w�ould build the building for a fixed sum per fixed specifications. They
would not be involved financially and they w�ould not have any ownership in
the building.
Mr. (b�riers wished Mr. Ltmdgren good luck with these necptiations.
2. CONSIDERATION OF A MOORE LAKE COhM40I� DEVEIAPMENr AGREII�IEIVI': Mr. Robertson
stated he had asked Jim Casserly to be at the meeting to answer any
questions the HRA menbers might have. He stated Mr. Casserly was in
agreement with the alternative proposed by staff for a 5400,000 land
write-down in the develognent agregnent. The agregnent should then include
a$900,000 special assessTnent for �xzblic imgrov�nents over ten years with
principle and ir�terest.
Mr. Casserly stated there was a �onsicierGble oost involved in the ponding,
relocation of stonn sewers, bike paths, lighting, and irriqation systems,
all of which the developer has agreed to do, but these things are on publ ic
ric�t- of-ways. Lenders just are not very excited about loaning money for
those kinds of improvanents, because they get no security interest for those
imprwa,�ents.
Mr. Casserly stated they have had discussions with city staff and it would
certainly be helpful to the developer and help pranate the project if they
oould have an arr�.ngement as has been suggested.
Mr. Nc�n stated staff feels that k7y using the special assessment approach,
it was probably a more secure way of doing it than by going through the
process of trying to �laoe a sewnd mortgage on the property.
Mr. Corruners stated this was the basic approach the HRA had agreed upon all
along for this project in terms of us ing f inancing f or the publ ic
irnpravanents.
Mr. Casserly stated Mr. Srody was also at the meeting to answer any
questions.
Mr. Meyer asked about the 5363,000 cost for soil correction in Exhibit A,
Cost of Impravanents.
Mr. (�sserly stated it was his inderstanding that gart of the problem was
there was a fair amoimt af ooncrete in there, and they think it is probably
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demol ition c3ebris f rom the f reeway iriterchange.
Mr. Brody stated their �gineers have to cb more studying and they have to
cb s�me more soil borinc3s to find out exactly haw extensive the problem is.
He stated the 5363,000 was a high end figure assi.uning the worst case
soenario.
Mr. Comners asked if the city had any records of what was dumped on that
site.
Mr. Robertson stated they have some �rtial rev�rds, but they would provide
to the developer whatever informaton they have on the f ill that was dumped
on the site.
Mr. Neyer asked what would happen if the best situation occurred, and the
c3eveloper only needed 5100,000 for soil vorrection, and the HRA had already
cpne ahead and authorized the 5400,000?
Mr. Casserly stated what was being requested was not the 5884,250, but
$400,000, so even if there were no soil corrections, there would stil be in
the r�ic�borhood of 5500,000 of impruvaaents the developer is willing to cb.
Mr. Newman stated he would remind the HRA that this work was for both
developments--the health club and the retail. The estimated market value
was $13,200,000 wr�en o�mpleted. At 5400,000 assistanoe, that works out to
be ab�ut 3$—probably a lawer percentage of ussistanoe than they pravided to
Vantage Com�nies.
Mr. riewr�an stated if the HRA was o�mfortable with the agreanent, staff will
have to sit a�wn with the developer and prepare z developnent oontract where
they can start deal ing with �cxne of the specif ics. He would 1 ike the HRA to
make a r,.ation inQicating their appraval of the oonoept and to direct staff
to pre�x�re the developnent oontract for review at the next meeting.
MS�L cLLN by Mr. Meyer, seconded by Mr. Prairie, to approve the concept in
terms of assistance for the Moore Lake Con4nons develo�znent and to authorize
staff to prepare the develognent contract for review at the next HRA
meeting.
UpUN A vOICE VOI�E, ALL V�ING AYE, CHASRPERSCN �N�1IItS DE(3,ARED THE ri0TI0N
C�RIED UN�:II�USLY.
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Mr. P�obert�n stated that at the Feb.
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to present his reasoning.
llth HRA meeting, the HRA had asked
He had asked hlr. F'lora to do that and
Mr. F"lora stated that in his February 26, 1988, memo to the HRA he was
trying to bring to the HRA's attention that as they go into these projects
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there is a wntinual mairitenanoe requiranent associated with these projects
to put than a7 1 ine.
Mr. Flora stated it was brought to his attention that as Lake Pointe was
aoming to fruition, there was goinq to be the need for maintenance on the
site, and they do not have any property awners there to take care of the 40+
acres of grass, sprinkling system, debris, etc. It was beyond the City's
foroes to take care of that large a p�roel of land. Because the� sprinkler
system was so oomplex, staff was suggesting they go out for a oontract with
s�me fi�n to maintain the lands through the �u►4ner period.
Mr. F'lora stated they really do not know what the costs are qoing to be.
They felt $25,000 was a qood n�anber to spend fran April to October to have
the site maintained. Also, based upon last year's water usage and the
extension of the existing water systan, th�y are looking at around SE,000
just for water to keep the area green. They were asking that the HRA
authorize the City to advertise for a oontractor to take care of the Lake
Poir,te site this sutmer.
Mr. Coacmers stated that after the HRA rec�eived Mr. Flora's mano at the last
meeting, they had a discussion relative to whether or not it might be more
appropriate or j�t as easy for the Public Works Deg�rtinent to ac�d a couple
of tem�orary suTUner enplayees to c�over that maintenanoe.
Mr. Flora stated the grass cutting alor_e would not be too bad. The
sprinkler system was the problen.
Mr. Commers asked if the City could qet a separate sprinkler system
maintenanoe agreanent.
Mr. Flora stated they probably �uld, but there v�uld be some groblans, too,
with the City and a a�ntractor b�th irrvolved. It was just a lot neater to
have one c�ntrac�or responsible for the whole area.
Mr. Prairie stated he thought it would be cheaper to have all the
mair.ter�nae cbne t:� one �ntractor.
Mr. C.ommers stated that he would like staff to get two bids--one for
maintenance of the entire site and one for maintenance of just the
sprin_k7. ing systern to sse if there was any sic�if icant dif f er ence in cost s.
However, it did sound like it would probably be better to have one
oont r act or f or al l th e ma.i nt enance.
Mr. Meyer stated he agreed with Mr. Flora that it would be better to have
the site maintair�ed by the same firnn. He alsa agreed with Mr. Comr,�ers that
it woulc�'t hurt to have the City ask for two bids.
Mr. F'lora stated he would be willirig to break the specs c3aan.
Md�ION by Mr. Prairie, se�nded by Mr. Meyer, to direct city staff to go out
for bids for the maintenance of the Lake Poir�te site during the 1988 grawing
season.
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UPON A VOICE VOPE, ALL VOrING AYE, QiATRP�'.RSON QOMMRS DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
Q�FtRIED UI�ININDUS,Y.
Mr. Conmers thanked Mr. Flora for c�ming to the meeting.
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Mr. Flora stated Mr. Stnde was requesting the HRA to extena his o�ntract for
another 58,900 in order to wmplete the engineering work associated witt� the
Lake Foir�te utilities and street systen.
Mr. Conmers asked why the oontract had to be extended and why the work was
not inluded in the oriqinal aontract.
Mr. St;nde stated that oriqinally they had a fixed oontract. �aice last year
they came in for d-►ange orders--one in early spring and one in Sept. For
the change order in Sept��ber, they tried to estimate what they thought it
woul d oo st to oomgl etely f i.ni sh th e wor k, ass un ing the wor k woul d be cbne in
1987. Hawever, the work was not able to be completed before winter. Mr.
Flora asked him to prepare another change order for coming back and
t�sically d�ing the work that was not c3one last fall.
Mr. Stnde stated that for some reason the a.irb and storm sewer contractor
did not want to o�me back in tntil Park Construction was completely done
with their work. Stnde Engineering had ass�ned that some of the work would
have been done ooncurrently, but it did not work out that way.
M�I�N b� Mr. I�eyer, seoonded by Mr. Prairie, to apprave the contract with
S�de Engineering to finish staking and cb the construction inspection at
Lake Pointe, estimated o�st - 58,900.
LIPON A VOICE VC1PE, ALL VUI.'ING AYE, Q�AIkPERSCN 0.�Mt�RS DECLARED THE MOTION
C7�2RIED UNANIM�iJ3.Y.
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Mr. Robertson s#ated the street imprwements to the Lake Fointe development
site will be aompleted this spring. 'Ihe oontract for these imprc�va�ents was
let in 1986 and the successful laa bidder was H& S As�alt, Inc. Sinoe the
�or.tract was let two years ago, there have been increases in the cost of
rnaterials.
Mr. Robertson stated that after the meeting aqenda was prep�recl, Mr. Newman
advised him that there might be soane qray legal question as to whether or
not tnit priaes can be chanoed without a rebidding of the entire oontract.
Mr. RQbertson stated that he had not had a dzanae to discuss this with Mr.
Newman before the meeting, but there was the alternative that H& S Asphalt
oould exercise to aontinue the o�ntract at the oricinal bid unit prices.
Last year the HRA did pay H& S Asphalt a racobil iation f ee of S2, 800 . If
that was still appropriate, that would be an alternative that could be
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offered. Staff could see if they want to do that versus competitive
bidding.
Mr. Prairie asked if H& S Asphalt wuld have f inished the job last year.
Mr. Si.nde stated he thought if everything had gone the way they thought
things would go, H& S Asphalt would have finished. But, after the cold
spell the �nditions were not very qood for asphalting.
Mr. Nc�amari stated the State Statute states that they can authorize a change
order if they are increasing quantities, providing the quantity is not
greater than 25$ from the amount originally bid. The Statute does not
pravide for changing Lmit prioes through a c�ange order as that o�nstitutes
a suY_stantial change. When H& S Asphalt oririnally bid the project the
first time, they wanted to extend the date when wnstruction would begin.
At that ti.me, maybe even that change wnstituted a suk�stantial change f rom
the oontract. Ac�nittedly, last year the HRA did agree to mobil ization
dzancJes which was sor;ewhat questionable but they felt there were a lot of
problens that were not the fault af the wntractor who wanted to proceed in
an expeditiow fas�hion. Hawever, he did not think they were facing those
kinds of restraints this year. Also, the HRA had no way of knowing if the
increases were fair and reasonable. He stated both he and Mr. Pribyl were
v ery i:n a,mf or ta bl e abo ut th i s.
Mr. Cbmners stated that because of the information they had received f ram
their legal ao�.u�sel, staff should qo k�ck to H& S Asphalt and inform them
that there was some legal c�uestion as to whether the HRA could approve an
increase in u�it pricing at this late date. If there was any other way in
which the HRA could ac;conunodate H& S P�s�t►alt, then staff should let the HRA
lmow.
�jOTION by Mr. Prairie, seconded by Mr. Meyer, to table any further
discussion on the mnsider«tion of a r�vi.sed contract for �treet completion
at Lake Poirtte with H& S Asphalt �til further inforniation is reoeived f rcm
staf f.
UPON A VOICE VOPE, ALL VOrING AYE, Q�AIF�PERSCN O�NfMERS DECLARED THE r]OTION
CARRIED U1�1NIN10USLY.
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Mr. Robertson stated the City Council had reviewed this preliminarily on
Monday, rarch 7, and the City Cotmcil had raised some questions about the
appropriateness of the housing density, considering that the traff ic
impravanents with Hir�hway 65/Central Avenue have not been scheduled yet.
would the develognent, if it proceect� this c�onstruction season, cause undue
laact� on the residential streets directly to the north?
Mr. Robertson stated he and Mr. Newman met with the c3eveloper, Q�arles Gook,
this week and sugqested Mr. Cook meet with the City Council to try to
resolve these issues before proceeding any further. �sentially, he can go
with half the project t.nder the current zonir_g. Mr. Cook would 1 ike to do
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the whole project which would be a better project and it would have a lot
more merit for the HRA to participate in in some way.
Mr. Robertson stated that because of the questions raised by the City
Co�ncil, Mr. Cook had advised hin to have this as an informational it�n only
for the HRA at this time. Mr. Cook will be meeting with the City Coimcil to
try to resolve the issues raised and when those issues are resolv�ed, he will
v�me back to the HRA.
Mr. Newman stated it was also explained to Mr. Cook in their meeting that
the assistanc� he is requesting f ran the HRA was probably greater than what
the HRA has c�enerally pravided in the past. He bel ieved Mr. �ok was merely
making that request in order to have a good f irnn p�sition in which to begin
his neg�tiations.
Mr. Commers stated there was a similar project before the HRA by 011ie
Erickson for this same property. He stated staff should qet a copy of the
minutes when that project was disc�;ssed, because there were issues raised at
�'1'at tlIRe.
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Mr. Robertson stated that in NovanY�er staff infornied the HRA of the process
whereby the flooded walkways were being replaoed by bridges. At that time,
he had told the HRA he would keep them up to date on how the project was
proceeding. He stated the original budget appropriated by the HRA in
Nwaiber was for $350,000, and they are still �der that k.udget �nount. He
stated he would continue to keep the HRA posted of the progress.
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MOrION by Mr. Meyer, seoonded by N,r. Prairie, to approve the check register
as presented.
UPON A VOICE VCIi'E, ALL VOI'IDIG Al�, Q3AIRPERSCi�T OJr49EF�S DECLARED THE T1C?TION
(�RRIED UNAI�Ihl�U�,Y.
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r4r. Meyer stated he had read a recent ar�icle in the Fridley Fbcus about
the remodel ing of City Hall. He read that the Ci ty had gone the
�nstruction manager route rather than going out for bids for a general
oontractor. Did the HRA have any say in that prooess?
Mr. Robertson stated the HRA was involved in a meeting with the City
Couicil regarding the rEnodel ir�g, but at that time, this was not on the
tak�le. He stated he did inform the HRA that Boarman had suggested to
the City Co�cil that the City g� with a o�ns-truction manager.
Mr. Prairie stated he wonc3ered what reasons Boannan had for suggesting
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that, beca�e Park Construction's experienoe with wnstruction managers
had not been cpod at all, frcm the owner's stanc�oirrt.
Mr. Meyer stated he really did not ulderstand the reasoning behind g�ing
with a constr uct ion manager to superv ise the oonst r uct i on. What
wnaerned him was that if the HRA was going to be in on the "crash
landing", they should be in on the "take-off" too. The-HRA has a
responsibil ity to the project in some fas�hion. U�ually the only time a
mnstruction manager of a fast track sit�tion really c�ir�s something is
when some desic�ated dollars can be saved because a job is done 3, 4, 6
months early, and when the architect/engineers haven't started their
jobs yet and the work has to be pha�ed.
Mr. Pra.irie stated that initially the reasoning sounds good, but from
his experienoe, it has not been g�od to go with a c�nstruction manager.
General contractors who have been around a long time stake their
reputation on doing a good job. He did not think construction managers
had been aro�d too long and have very little net worth. If things do
not work out, they just folc3 up. A general contractor and a
sub-c:ontractor have to live with each other. 'Ihe oor.struction managers
can do whatever they want and it just doesn't always work. Park
Construction has not bid some jot�s because a construction manager was
cbing the project. And, then you cb rwt always get the laaest prioe.
Mr. Commers stated staff should take these concerns, regarding a
oonstruction manager versus a general oontractor and the fact that the
HRA was not o�nsulted before a c3ecision was made, to the City Council
and then c�ome tx�ck with some answers to the r�ext HRA meeting.
Mr. Robertson stated that in orcier to try to finish the job as quickly
as possi4le because of the disrt�ption in the operatons in the Civic
Center, it was felt it would be v�ntrolled laetter by having an on-site
oonstruction supervisor representing the client and setting up the
bidding.
Mr. Meyer stated he tnnerstood what Mr. Robertson was saying but he was
still puzzled by the decision.
Mr. Robertson stated he would certainly try to take the HRA's concerns
to the City Coi�cil and bring back some answers.
Mr. Meyer stated he would 1 ike the HRA's oonoerns pre�entc-•d prior to the
sic�ing of the oontract.
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Md�ION by Mr. Prairie, se�nded by Mr. Nleyer, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voioe vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Commers declared the March 10,
1988, Housing & Redevelognent Authority meeting adjourned at 8:49 p.m
Respectfully sutrnitted,
L Saba, Reoording Secretazy
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