PL 04/20/1988 - 7115t s
City of Fridley
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_ PLAI�Il�TIl�IG dOMI►aSS ION NEETING W�L1AY, APRII, 20, 1988 7: 30 P. NL
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Per Section 205. 07. Ol. G 1 of the Fridley City Code, � to allav a
seoond accessory building on Lot 10, Qo�ver Leaf Addi.tion, the
same being 6536 Qaver Plaoe N. E.
PiiRT.T(' j�ART�',• CQ�TDERATTnN OF A SPECTAT USE PERMIT. SP
#88-04. BY 1�D H ATR urwr�: ARSMrnmTn�T� _. . .., 2_ 2F
Per Sectian 205.09.O1.C.4 of the Fridley City Code, to allow �
private, nonprofit clubs; per Section 205.09.O1.C.6 of the
Fridley City Code, to allow an automobile parking lot on
adjaoerit land on Lot 1, Block 1, Harstad Addition and the
south 95 feet of Lots 14 and 15, plus Outlot 1, Harstad
Addition, a11 geryerally located at 6831 Hic�iway 65 ls E.
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CALL � ORDER:
Chairperson Betzold called the April 6, 1988, Planning Conanission meeting to
order at 7: 32 p. m
Im� CAI.�L :
Me�nbers Present: Donald Betzold, David Rondrick, Dean Saba,
Sue Sherek, Richard Svanda, Alex Sarna
MPmbers Absent: None
Others Present: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator
Jock Robertson, Co�n�mity Developnent Director
Teresa Gibson, 1255 - 66th Ave. ls E.
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M�&i�� by Mr. Rondrick, seoonded by Mr. Saba, to apprave the March 9, 1968,
Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOrIlJG AYE, �IATRPERSC�i BEIZC�,D DE(3�ARED THE MOTION
C�RRIED UIt�T�pI1S'LY.
L �0 �E1?A'�'TON OF A Lrn' �L•T'i'. L S #86-02. BY TERFSA A1�D JOHN GIB�N:
To spl it the west 13 feet of Lot 30 (except the weste rly 120 feet ),
Brookview Additio�n, the same being 1255 - 66th Avenue N. E.
Mr. Robinson stated the petitioner wants to spl it of f 13 feet of the
neic�bor's property (which accesses onto Channel Road), adding it to the
petitioner's property in order to allow for boat storage along the side of
the garage and also to expand the existing driveway. This was a simple lot
spl it and staff had no problems with the request. However, staff was
reoomnending two stipulatio�s:
L �e 13 feet to be oanbined with the Gibson paroel at the time
the lot spl it is reoorded.
2. Any widening of the driveway opening would reguire a permit
f ran the City khgineering Dept.
Mr. Rnbinson stated that both the Gitason lot and the neighboring lot were
suff icient in size so the paroel being diminished would still be more than
aanpl e in size.
Ms. Gibson asked if she aould widen the driveway to the curb opening, but
not widen the curb opening itself.
Mr. Robinson stated paving up to the street witho�t a full curb opening made
it appear that there was a full driveway opening when there was not. The
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petitirner oould also widen the driveway to the boulevard and then taper it
to the street.
Mr. Kondrick stated it would certainly look nicer if the curb opening was
widened to match the widened drivc�vay.
� by Mr. Rondrick, sewnded by Mr. Saba, to reoammend to City Council
apprwal of lat split request, L. S. #88-02, to split the west 13 feet of Lot
30 (except the westerly 120 feet), Brookview Addition, the same being 1255 -
66th Avenue I� E. , with the following stipulations:
1. The 13 feet to be oombir,ed with the GiLson �roel at the
time the lat split is rewrded.
2. Any widening of the driveway opening would require a permit
f ran the City Engineering Dept.
IlPOiV A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VU�ING AYE, QiATRPERSC[�1 BErZCt,D DECLARED THE ri0TI0N
CARRIED U1�TIl�i0i1SLY.
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Mr. Robinson stated the Planning Commission had discussed the subject of
temporary sic�age restriction.s at their Jan. 27th meeting. He stated that
at this meeting, the Commissioners had received a revision to the Sic�
Ordinanoe to restrict the use of temporary or portable signs. Staff was
proposing they change the ordinance to be sensitive to multi-tenant
buildings and to change the period of time the sign can be out on the
property. Presently, the Code states a sic� can be an the property for 10
days, up to 3 times a year, as long as the times are nonconsecutive. That
is per business and is not sensitive to the fact that there are multi-tenant
buildings. So, they oould have multi- tenant builclings with a sic,� on the
property year-aro�md. The City Y�as had that problen in the past.
Mr. Robinson stated the revi.sioai woulal allaw for 14 day periods, which is
more in oonformanoe with the way the signs are rented which is monthly.
They would say that the n�m�ber of businesses would dictate the nwnber of
times per year a business can have a portahte sic�►. In addition, it would
never be more than one per time per tax paroel/develognent.
Mr. Robinson stated the Co�issioners had also reoeived at the meeting a list
of all the multi-°tenant businesses i.n the City of Fridley prepared by Rathy
Castle, Planning Assistant. On the right hand side of the 1 ist w�s the
maximun n�IInber of days per year that there would be portable siqns in any
one developnent. The maximun was 70 clays for the larger shopping centers
such as Holly Shopping Center and Skywood Shopping Center.
Mr. Robinson stated some other aomponents of what was being proposed was
that the hurclen of the management o� the sic�s would be the responsibil ity
of the property o�wr�er or its desic�ated agerit or manager. The location of
the sic�s would be the same as ather sic�s--10 ft. fran the property lir�e or
driveway so there would be no problens with traffic safety.
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� Mr. Robinson stated the City w�ould require a 5200 deposit which woul d be a
" certif ied check or money order before a permit would be .issued f or a
temporary sic�. That $200 would only be ref�ded if the sic� was renaied on
the very next t�usiness day after the permit expired. So, if the permit
expired on a Friday, there would be �me grace period over the weekenol
because they would not expect a busir�ess to renwe the sigl on the 14th day
of the permit.
Mr. Robinson stated that in addition to the $200 deposit, in reviewing the
Code, they fo�md they will be able to charge a permit fee. There was some
discussion as to wtbether a temporary sic,� should require a permit fee, but
the way it was written in the Code, they will be allowed to charge a$24
fee.
Mr. Robertson stated that after the March 28, 1988, City Council meeting
when a revi.sed Comprehensive Sign Plan was considered for the Riverboat
Plaza Shopping Center, he had tolci the City Council that the Planning
Contmission would be oonsidering some draft changes to the Sign Ordinance.
He had gotten some mixed reactions f rvm the City Council members. Same
raenbers said that as far as they were oonoerriec3, temporary sigis were a big
a�ninistrative burden and that the Planning Commission should consider
banning temporary sic�s altogether. Qn the other hand, it was noted that
onoe thE ordinanoe was drafted, maybe they oould check with the Chamber of
Coa�meroe and get the ChaQnber's reacti� to the proposed ordinanoe change.
Mr. Hetzald stated he agreed with Mr. Robertson that there is soane def inite
sentimem an the part of the City Co�cil to ban temporary sicg�s entirely.
Mr. Betzold stated the 5200 deposit would be reftuided when the sign is
renwed "� the next busiriess day". Should they say '� the next business
day "?
Mr. Robertson stated maybe they should say ".�, the end of the last day ,of
the permit". Zhat way, they eliminate the businesses arranging to rent a
sic� so the permit ends on Friday or Saturday, giving them the weekend
before the sic� has to oome down.
Mr. Robinson stated then it beoomes a policing problen. If the permit ends
on a Friday, the business will want the sicyi up that whole day, and if they
cannot arrange to have the sic� wntrackor pick it up at the end of the day,
what will the busia�ss � with the sicp?
Mr. S�anda stated the sic� wuld be ma�ved elsewhere an the property so it is
not sitting out in f ront a� the busi.ness.
Mr. Betzold stated the permit should specifically say when the permit
expires, and then the sic� should not be visible after tha�
Mr. Robinson stated they wuld say that the sic� has to be gone by noon of
the next day.
Ms. Sherek stated then they nm into the problen of having a business having
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the si� up f or more than 15 days.
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Mr. Robinson stated city staff will npt be going out cn Saturday or Sunday
to see if a sic� is in violaion. He thou�it it would be much better to say
'by noon of the next husiness day°.
Mr. Barna �ated the permit applicatian li.sts: Balloon, Porta-panel, and
Other. Was there a def inition for "Other "?
Mr. Robinson stated there was not.
Mr. &-�rna stated he felt they oould run into some problens with °Other".
What about a business van/truck with the busir�ess log� �irited on it? Then,
often a busirnss will hang a banner an the van/truck and park it in f ront c�
the business to advertise some kir�] of sale or special. The banner on the
van/truck was not a prohlen;, but with the banner, the sigi on the van/truck
tec�nicall then beoomes a porta-�anel sic� which requires a permit.
Mr. Barna stated he felt the definitions were the biggest problem in the
draft ordinanoe. �ey need definitions that will stand up in o�urt.
Mr. Robinson stated staff would look at the def initions and see if they
oould be ti�terbed �p a little bit.
� by Mr. Saba, se�nded by Mr. St�anda, to approve and f orward to the
City Co�cil the revision to the Sic� Ordinance, Chapter 214, to restrict
the use of temporary/portable signs, with the amendment to Section
214.11.6.D. (seoond sentenoe) to read: "Said deposit will be ref�ded only
if sic� is renwed ,�y noon of th next business da�v, after the permit period
expires. "
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL V�IlJG AYE, �IAIRPERSQ�i BE�LCLD DEQ,ARED THE N1�TION
C�RRIED U1�TIl►�DUSLY.
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�1Q1�1 by Mr. Rondrick, seooncled by Mr. Saba, to reoeive the Feb. 11, 1988,
Housing & Redevelognent Authority minutes.
iIPON A VOICE V�!'E, ALL VOPING AYE, Q3A�tPEEiSQ� BEIZCLD DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
CARFtIED UNAl�TIlKQUS[,Y.
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� by Mr. Rondrick, seconded by Mr. S�anda, to receive the Feb. 25,
1988, Special Housing & Redevelogae.nt Authority meeting minutes.
UPON A VOICE VDI'E, ALL VUPIl�TG AYE, �IAgtPERSCN BETZCLD DECLARID THE MOTION
Q�RRIED UNANIl�DLi3�Y.
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'^ �Q�1 by Ms. Sherek, seooncled by Mr. &zrna, to reoeive the March 3, 1988,
` H�man Resouroes Coamnission minutes.
UPON A VOICE VOl'E, ALL VOrING AYE, Q�AIltPERSCN BErZQ,D DE(ZARED THE MOTION
C1�RRIED U1�TINCJUSY.
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�Q� by Mr. Kondrick, seconcled by Mr. S�anda, to receive the March 7,
1988, Parks & Recreation C�mission minutes.
UPON A VOICE VOrE, ALL VOPING AYE, Q3AIIZPERSCN BEPZCLD DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UI�TINY�US'LY.
Mr. Kondrick stated that Mr. A1 Gabel had resigled f ran the Cw�m�issi on. As
the Planning Conunission menbers lview, Mr. Gabel had been a former member of
the Community Devel�nent Commission. When the Community Development
Camnissian was disbanded, the members were given the choice of joining
another oonmission. Mr. Gabel had chosen the Parks & Recreation Cammission,
bringing the Commission to 6 menbers. With the resic�ation of Mr. Gabel,
the Parks & Recreation Cammisson would return to its 5 menber statt�s.
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� by Mr. Rondrick, seaonded by Mr. Saba, to reoeive the March 10, 1988,
Ho�ing & Redevelapne.nt Authority minutes.
UPON A VOICE VOI'E, ALL VOrING AYE, QiATRP'ER.SCN BEIZCLD DECLARED THE MOTION
(�RRIED UI�T7M)iJS'LY.
ADJOIJRII�IENP
gQ�.Q�T by Mr. Rondrick, sewnded by Mr. Saba, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vate, all vating aye, Chairperson Betzold declared the April 6,
1988, Planning Camnission meeting adjournec7 at 8:10 p. m
Respectf ully sulmitted,
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Lyntie, Saba
Reoording Secretary
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PIJBLIC HEARING
BEEORE ZiiE
PLAI�Il�TING �NA9ISSION
l�btice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Conunission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue
Northeast on Wednesday, April 20, 1988 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 p. m
for the purp�se of:
Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #88-05, by
Gerald Lindner, per Section 205.07.O1.C.1 of the Fridley
City Code, to allow a second accessory buil ding on Lot
10, Clover Leaf Addition, the same being 6536 Clover
Plac:e N. E.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opp�rt�mity at the
above stated time anc] plaoe.
DONALD BE,TZQ�D
CEIAIRN�N
PLAl�R�1ING �MMISSION
Publ ish : Apri1 6, 1988
April 13, 1988
Any questions related to this iten may be referred to the Fridley Community
Develapnent Department, 571-3450.
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Gerald Lindner
Planning Commission Chair
Mayor
City Manager
City Council
James Olsen
751 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Robert Lyke
739 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Lloyd Bakke
727 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Michael Rohr
715 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Eleanor Schinke
703 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Steven Kroeger
6527 Monroe Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Robert Crossan
6526 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Gerald Linder
6536 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Glenn Tonneslan
6548 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Harry Hanson
6558 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Planning
Council
MAILING LIST
Bryan Daniels
6568 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Atkinson
6578 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
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Edward Sable
6555 Monroe Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
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Lee Wendt
6545 Monroe Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Richard Scholl School District 14
6524 Jackson Street N.E. Hayes School
Fridley, MN 55432 615 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Ronald Scrimshaw
6520 Jackson Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Larry Whittlef
6599 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Charles Prawalsky
6589 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
LeRoy Venne
6579 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Wendell Olson
6535 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, M N 55432
David Linton
6521 Clover Place N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Jeffery Hood
6585 Monroe Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Donald Holum
6575 Monroe Street N.E.
Fridley, NIN 55432
Louis Olsen
6565 Monroe Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
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1rEM0 �: Planning Comnissirn Members
Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator
P'Ern FROM: Kathlyn Castle, Planning Assistant
1�M� L1ATE: April 15, 1988
RDGARDING: Consideration of a Special Use Perrait, SP 8B-OS at 6536 Claver
Pl aae
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�e petitiorier, Gerald Lincizer, is requesting a Special Use Perr.iit be granted
to allaw a seoond aocessory building at 6536 Clover Plaoe.
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G�rreritly, Mr. Lin�er has a gdrage attadzed to his dwelling which serves as
an aocessory use. He wants to oonstruct a secondary accessory building in
his rear yard that would serve as a storage shed for boating and lawn
equignent. 7he shed would be 20' in width and 28' in length for a total of
560 square feet. Location of this second accessory use will be five feet
(5') fran the side and rear property lirtie.
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Staff rec�nnencts apprwal of the Special Use Permit, SP 68-05, to allow a
sewnd accessory building at 6536 Clover Place with the following
st ipul ati ans :
L The sewndary accessory building to be usec] only for the storage of
boating and lawn equignent, �t for autaaobiles.
2. Desi� of the storage shed to �npliment the dwelling �mit by installing
matcfiing siding and a standard slope roof.
M-88-87
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PUBLIC HEARING
BE�RE 7:�iE
PLANNIlJG �NA9ISSION
Natioe is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Coa�snissirn of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue
Northeast on Wec�esday, April 20, 1988 in the Council Chamber at 7: 30 p. m
for the purpose of :
Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP �88-04, by
1Vorth Air Hame Association, per Section 205.09. O1. C. 4 of
the F`ridley City Cocle, to allaw private, rnnprofit clubs;
per Section 205.09.O1.G 6 of the Fridley City Code, to
allaw an autanobile parking lat rn adjacent land on Lot
1, Block 1, Harstad Addition and the south 95 feet of
Lats 14 and 15, plus Outlot 1, Harstad Addition, all
gerierally located at 6831 Hic�way 65 1�L E.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opport�ity at the
above stated time and plaoe.
DONALD BETZCLD
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PLANNING �NIl�IISSION
Publ ish : April 6, 1988
April 13, 1988
Any questions related to this item may be re�erred to the Fridley Community
Develognent Department, 571-3450.
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SP 4�88-04
North Air Home Assoc.
Planning Commission Chair
City Council Members
Mayor
City Manager
Judy Wilder
6845 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Alvin Hirschi
6875 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
James Stubbs
684b Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
David Sepple �
6830 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
North Air Home Association
6831 Highway 65 N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Wallace Miller
831 - 40th Avenue N.E.
Minneapolis, MN 55421
Carl Swanson
6663 Lucia Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Milton Hughes
6670 Lucia Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Milton Hughes
4410 Douglas Drive North
Minneapolis, MN 55416
William Fink
6864 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
MAILING LIST Planning 4/]/88
Council
Fredrick Ranallo
6854 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Suburban Engineering
6875 Highway 65 N.E.
Fridley, M N 55432
Joan Ridgley
6876 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, M N 55432
Brian Porter
6870 Channel Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
North Air Home Assoc.
6831 Highway 65 N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
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ZO: Planning Co�nission menbers
Jim Robinson, Pl�ning Coordinator
FROM: Rathlyn Castle, Planning Assistaryt
nATE : April 15, 1988
R�GARDING: Consideration of a Special Use Aernit. SP #86-04,
at 6831 Hic�way 65 IS E.
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The petitioner, North Air Hoane Association (Rnights of Col umbus ). is
requesting a special use permit to allow private non-profit clubs and
a�#omobile parking on adjaoent la�-►d c,enerally located at 6831 Hic,�way 55 1� E-
The permit would allow the Knic�ts of Colunbus to expand their parking lot by
oonstructing additior�7. garking spaoes on adjaoent land.
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�e site, which is vacant, is surro�ded by a single fanily hane district and
multiple dwelling unit district to the north, south, and east. The
petitioner has requested the permit because of an increase in p3rking demand
ca�sed by the Knic�ts of Colunbus facility. F�cpansion of the parking lot
would alleviate several parking prohlens that are occurring. These include
illegal parking and excessive parking on adjacent residential streets.
Ar�wever, the expansion must rat interfere with the adjacent residential
praperties, therefore, an appropriate buffer must be installed. The f ront
yard setback should be expanded to 35 feet to increase park.ing lat screening
f roan Highway 65. Rear and side yard setbacks of 10 feet are required.
F�ncing and landscaping wail.d be required as a buffer between the parking lot
and residential property to the east.
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Staff rea�nmencls approval of Special Use Perrait, �P 88-04, to allow private
non-profit cluts and autanobile parking on adjaoent l�d at 6631 8ighway 65
N. E. with the follawing stipulactions:
L Install l�caping as per city apprwed plan.
2. Install masoniy d�nnpster enclosure with a wooden �ain link slatted
gate by July l, 1988.
3. Tnstall 6 ind� hi� c�oncrete cvrbing along the perimeter a� the
existing parking lot and proposed parking lot by July 1, 1988.
4. Stonr� drainage and irrigation plaon to be sut=nitted before the
City Co�ncil meeting on t�ay 2. 1968.
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/
ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING �
MARCH 15, 1988
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Svanda, Environmental Quality Commission, called the March 15,
1988, Joint Environmental Quality Commission/Energy Commission meeting to
order at 7:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Bruce Bondow, Paul Dahlberg, Bruce Hanley, Maynard Nielsen,
Dean Saba, Bradley Sielaff, Steve Stark, Richard Svanda,
Wayne Wellan
Members Absent: Maynard Welf
Others Present: Lisa Campbell, Planning Associate
APPRO�'AL OF rEBRUAR° I6, 1988, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTIOn by Mr. Wellan, seconded by Mr. Nielsen, to approve the February 16,
1988, Environmental Quality Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SVANDA DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
APPROVAL OF JANUARY 26, 1988. ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Saba, to approve the January 26, 1988,
Energy Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
l. NEW BUSINESS
A. Discussion of Possibility of Combining Energy Commission and
Environmental Quality Commission
Mr. Svanda indicated that a joint meeting was being held to discuss the
possibility of combining the Environmental Quality Commission and the
Energy Commi�sion. One of the issues has been not having a full roster
of inembers, �.:ri: Mr. Nielsen will be leaving the Environmental Quality
Commission after this meeting creating another vacancy. The
commissions also address si�ilar issues or issues that cross bett.�een
the commissions. This has been discussed by the City Council at those
times when trying to find members for the commissions.
JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/
ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 15, 1988
PAGE 2
Mr. Saba noted that he had talked with Mr. Svanda at the Planning
Commission about the difficulty in filling commission vacancies and
light agendas. In looking at the agendas, it looks as though both
commissions have some time consuming items, but it also appears that
energy items are also environmentally related. Ferhaps there should be
joint planning sessions. There is an environmental factor related
to indoor air pollution, radon and carbon monoxide (CO). These are
timely items to discuss. The government is talking about doing
projects to determine how bad of a problem exists concerning radon,
which is also environmentally related. If the commissions do not
combine, they should work together on joint issues.
Mr. Svanda added that there are environmental issues that are not being
discussed such as issues relating to the Rice Creek Watershed District.
Solid waste has taken much of the Energy Commission's time.
Mr. Saba thought radon and CO could fit as a joint issue.
Mr. Wellan indicated that the Energy Commission has put a lot of
effort into recycling. The law is forcing recycling and future
involvement will be less. This is a good time for commissions to
work together on common issues.
Mr. Stark stated that any form of energy production causes a certain
amount of pollution that would be a concern of the EQC. The joining
of the commissions seems a lil:ely connection.
Mr. Saba thought very timely issues should be discussed. The City
should know the extent of the radon problem. This will require some
time, whether i•rorking through combined commissions or through a series
of joint meetings. Mr. Saba would like to meet jointly for a time and
then perhaps meet every other month.
Mr. Svanda felt the joint meetings would give members a better under-
standing of the issues and an idea of a system to operate. Commissions
are typically 5 people. This group has 2 chairpersons. If the
members decide to combine, a plan could be developed to do so keeping
in mind menbership.
Ms. Campbell recommended meeting jointly 3 or 4 times and then making
a decision.
Mr. Wellan suggested picking a key item to discuss at each meeting, so
the issues can be adequately addressed.
Mr. Dahlberg thought it would be helpful to define the scope of the
work of the commissions. The EQC has had a narrow scope and perhaps
could go in a different direction if the resources are available. Zf
the commissions were combined, greater resources would be available to
deal with more issues. With a larger membership, subcommittees could be
set up to handle issues if it becomes to difficult for the group to
handle. This could include groundwater issues, and Mr. Dahlberg would
also like to address the issue of the visual environment. This could
be an opportunity to expand the areas in which the commissions are
involved.
JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/
� ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 15, 1988 PAGE 3
Mr. Svanda explained that the commissions have a Work Plan where they
outline their activities.
Mr. Dahlberg felt the group should discuss the Work Plans to see what
members would like to deal with.
Mr. Sielaff indicated he had an interest in both areas. Perhaps the
commissions could meet jointly several times and discuss the Work
Plans after they see how it goes. If the commissions can develop a
Work Plan together, it would be a good test of what the commissions
could do together. Mr. Sielaff expressed concern that having a
separate commission provides more visibility, and wondered if
combining commissions would lessen that degree of visibility.
Mr. Bondow liked the idea of using subcommittees as an approach to a
number of topics. He expressed concern that the commissions would
get involved in solid waste.
Mr. Svanda felt the large group would provide diversity and liked the
idea of subcommittees. This is a good time to start looking at the
possibilit}� oF c�mbining so that a decision could be made prior to
vacation time.
The concensus of the group was to meet jointly for the next three
months.
Mr. Svanda requested that the discussion of the Work Plans be included
on next month's agenda and that members receive copies of the Work Plans
of both commissions.
B. Solid Waste Abatement Policy Paper
Ms. Campbell referred to the memo of March 9, 1988, included with the
agenda, regarding the recent internal solid waste abatement policy
and programming direction. The policy decisions made from this
document were to finance recycling from the General Fund and approve
the Super Cycle contract.
Mr. Saba noted that the more materials that are recycled the more it
costs. If there is a successful plan to increase participation, it
will cost the City a rather large sum with Super Cycle. •
Mr. Svanda indicated that the recycling markets are not there to
support the program. Some materials bring in more revenue than others,
but none by themselves are really that profitable. Super Cycle is
fairly new, and it is uncertain what their profits are. One reason
there are not good prices is because there has not been a stable
market. There is a push for statewide recycling requirements which
would bring in and enhance more markets. Recycling will not be self-
sufficient for some time, but it is still less expensive than taking
materials to the Iandfill.
Ms. Campbell indicated that the landfill tipping fees had just been
increased by 43%. •
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Mr. Sielaff asked if the City could decrease costs by increasing the
amount of materials collected.
Mr. Wellan felt this could only be done by forcing the issue.
Mr. Sielaff thought the use of incentives would be helpful to
increase recycling and decrease costs. The City of Plymouth has a
lottery system.
Mr. Svanda indicated that recycling has not cost the City much because
soft monies were used. With the new Super Cycle contract, the City
will for the first time since the program started be putting funds
into the program.
Mr. Saba asked if the composting program was working.
Mr. Svanda stated the program was working well. Residents drop off
yard waste at the compost site, and City staff maintain the compost
pile.
Mr. Dahlberg indicated that the compost site will probably be more
successful in future years when compost materials can no longer go to
landfills.
Mr. Svanda indicated that the City is getting a good rate for the
recycling service as compared to other cities. Up until last fall,
Super Cycle was in the business of collecting materials on the curb.
They are now getting into the business of taking an active approach.
They realize they must do more and are getting out information, have
established routes so pick ups are made at about the same time, and
giving a thank you note to people for recycling.
Mr. Saba asked if Block Grant monies could be used for this type of
project.
Mr. Svanda did not think this was an option.
Ms. Campbell stated she was looking into possible Met Council funding
for bins.
Mr. Svanda indicated that the Met Council had testified again�t the
comprehensive recycling and container deposit. They felt the metro
area did not need extra monies for recycling. Another bill is before
the state legislature to eliminate the cap that companies can charge
on materials going to landfills, which could serve as a revenue source
for the County.
Mr. Saba asked if the City was using recycled paper and products
where possible.
Ms. Campbell stated she was looking into having more areas use more
recycled items, one of which is the City Newsletter. More information
will be provided at the next meeting.
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Ms. Campbell indicated that the City Council has approved the policy
and the contract with Super Cycle. Super Cycle has verbally agreed
to the contract but has not yet signed the contract. However, Ms.
Campbell did not anticipate any problems.
2. OLD BUSINESS
A. Super Cycle Contract Update
This item was discussed as part of Agenda item 1, A.
B. Anoka County Performance-Based Funding Update
Ms. Campbell and Mr. Jim Robinson met with Ms. Victoria Stansky regarding
performance-based funding. Ms. Stansky has agreed to bring the 1986-87
contract back 6 months to cover deficits. Performance-based funding is
reimbursement for the amount of tons actually recycled. Fridley is
given a target of 572 tons per year to recycle and can receive a bonus
if an additional 10% of that tonnage is collected. Last year, Fridley
collected 371 tons through the curbside program.
Mr. Dahlberg felt this was misleading according to the action taken
by the City Council where they anticipated the City would achieve the
goal and get the full funding of $24,000+.
Ms. Campbell stated the Council had agreed to cover a deficit. The
371 tons collected is only from the curbside program. Another 189 tons
were collected at the S.O.R.T. site. It is very likely that the City
will achieve the goal or come very close.
Mr. Dahlberg asked what the final determination as to the method was
at the last Anoka County Task Force meeting.
Ms. Campbell did not attend the meeting, but understands that the issue
was passed along with some questions. One concern was that these tonnages
are based on city sponsored recycling programs. If the Boy Scouts collect
newspapers, the city would not get credit even if they bring it to our
site. That has now changed and can be counted if the tonnages are documented.
However, tonnages cannot be counted if the materials are from residents
of another city. With this change, it is very likely that the goal can
be met.
C. P.I.E. Grant Update
Ms. Campbell will be meeting with Met Council staff to report on the
activities on the P.I.E. Grant. The activity change is working with
Springbrook Nature Center for recycling education. Ms. Campbell is also
hoping to obtain an extension for 6 months.
Mr. Dahlberg added that some funds are available for transportation
to bring students to the Nature Center for the program on recycling.
Ms. Campbell indicated that materials would also be available to students
to bring home. Although there is a change in time and activity, there is
not a major change in intent so there should not be a problem. The
extra time is needed to provide the education program during the school
year.
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Mr. Saba thought it may be worth another try and publicizing specifically
what materials can and cannot be placed on the curb for pick up.
Mr. Svanda wondered if space at the Fridley compost site would be a
problem.
B. Discuss 7:00 p.m. Meeting Time for Both Commissions
The members discussed the earlier meeting time. It was the concensus
of the group to meet at 7:30 p.m.
C. Introduction of New Member - Bruce Hanl
Mr. Svanda introduced Mr. Bruce Hanley, new member of the Energy
Commission.
Mr. Hanley is a resident of Fridley and is a criminal lawyer. He likes
to be active and is looking forward to learning more about the issues.
D. Election of Officers
Mr. Svanda asked when the commissions would conduct the election of
officers. The Environmental Quality Commission would need to elect
a ��ice-Chairperson. This position will be open with the resignation
of Mr. Nielsen.
E. Resignation of Maynard Nielsen
Mr. Nielsen has resigned as a member of the Environmental Quality
Commission effective at the end of March.
Mr. Svanda, on behalf of the Environmental Quality Commission, expressed
thanks to him for his time spent on the Commission, his active
participation, and the support for the Commission during his years of
service.
Mr. Saba also expressed his appreciation to Mr. Nielsen for his
participation on the Energy Project Committee.
F. Resource Materials and Information
Mr. Saba requested Ms. Campbell to obtain copies of brochures as listed
in the January 26, 1988, Energy Commission minutes on Page 4.
Mr. Bondow stated he has several books on radon and also has a number
of articles on the subject. Ms. Campbell was requested to make copies
of the articles to be provided to members.
Mr. Sielaff indicated that Mr. Rich Livly, Minnesota Geological Survey,
asked to attend a meeting to provide further information. Mr. Livly has
done actual radon testing.
G. April Agenda
Mr. Saba requested that the videotape from KSTP be viewed at the next
meeting.
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ENERGY COMMISSION MEETIhG, MARCH 15, 1988 PAGE 7
Mr. Saba stated the alpha particles can be trapped in the lungs and
can develop into lung cancer. Energy Commission members have taken
steps to obtain alpha track detectors and take readings. It would be
nice to have a wider sampling. There is a need to address both energy
conservation and ventilation. Mr. Saba would like to continue looking
into the issue of radon contamination and develop a sample testing.
3. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Planning Commission's Recommendation on the Comprehensive Waste
Reduction and Recycling Account
Ms. Campbell reported that the Planning Commission had recommended the
Comprehensive Waste Reduction and Recycling Account as passed by the
Environmental Quality Commission.
Mr. Saba added there was much support of this act by members of the
Planning Commission.
Mr. Svanda indicated that changes had been made in the bill affecting
container deposit.
Ms. Campbell felt it discouraging that the City had developed a very
good publicity program for recycling but participation rates have not
increased greatly.
Mr. Sielaff also noted the participation rate for the City. In the
City of Plymouth, a very high participation rate for recycling is
reported. There the City has provided bins and an incentive through
a lottery.
Mr. Svanda indicated that every household had been provided a bin and
the participation had increased dramatically.
Mr. Sielaff thought it would be interesting to track their results
to see if the rates remain high.
Ms. Campbell stated she would be speaking to the recycling staff from
Plymouth at the monthly meetings of the Association of Recycling
Managers and would provide an update of those meetings. St. Louis Park
also has an incentive fee that provides for a deduction on their
garbage hauling bill for those who recycle. �
Mr. Stark asked if all types of waste are looked at as the same,
specifically yard waste. Yard waste can provide much tonnage in a
short time. He asked if yard waste was included in the 572-ton goal
from the County.
Mr. Svanda indicated that the City had at one time had a clean-up day.
Residents put out items that were undesireable. As a result, the City
does not want to get involved in another clean-up day. The compromise
is to have a compost site.
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D. D.P.S. Grant Update
Ms. Campbell indicated that Mr. Jim Robinson has obtained approval
to use the remaining monies of the grant for an energy program.
Mr. Saba noted that the original intent was to hire an inspector to
go out and inspect multi-family buildings for energy situations.
Ms. Campbell liked the idea of hiring an auditor and donating
materials. She wondered, with the radon detectors, how they would
know if the detectors were being used.
Mr. Saba indicated the detectors must be sent in to be read. First
it would be necessary to determine where to test, how many people
to have participate, and what would be done with the results.
' The commission would like to get a grant for publicizing, promoting
and taking part in such a program and also help defray the costs of
the detectors.
Mr. Sielaff indicated that the City does not want to get into any
liability problems associated with radon levels.
Mr. Wellan asked if there had been testing in the area.
Mr. Saba indicated that KSTP had done a statewide check and found
high radon levels. The City has a copy of that videotape.
Mr. Bondow indicated that there is no statistical data to indicate
that specific areas have higher levels of radon than others.
Mr. Saba noted that the East Cost has been tested and has a very
high level of radon due to the rock formations in the geology of the
area. The level of radon is related to the rate of incidence of
lung cancer.
Mr. Stark thought it difficult to see why one home would have a high
level of radon while another does not.
Mr. Saba indicated that samples vary between inside a home and outside.
Samples can also vary on outside readings.
Mr. Dahlberg asked if it had been ruled out that radon was not part
of the building materials.
Mr. Saba stated that radon comes from decaying materials in the soil.
Radon is in some building materials such as cement. When radon is
found in homes, the levels can be reduced significantly.
Mr. Stark indicated that certain cities have found radon in water
supplies and have treated the water to remove the radon. This results
in a sludge, and now the cities have to get rid of radon contaminated
sludge.
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' Mr. Svanda asked that the subject of recycling bins be included on
the next agenda. Discussion could include funding, vendors,
distribution, etc.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Wellan, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to adjourn the meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SVANDA, ENVIRON:rIF.�TTAL QUALITY
COMMISSION, DECLARED THE MARCH 15, 1988, JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/
ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:45 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
C�d- �i/!ti
Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary
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DEPARTIV�ENT
MEMOR.ANDUM
City Co�cil M�nbers
Planning Cannissicn Members
Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator�-
Jock Robertson, Develcypnent Direc.tor
April 16, 1986
RDGARDI NG : 57th Pl aoe Co�IIner ci al Devel opnent
The Winfield Developnerit cgoup has moved ahead with initiatives to develoF tY:e
nortY�east oorner of 57th & University Avenue. At this tir��e they have placed unc3er
purdzase agreenent the ci�plex property located at 349 - 57th Place. The purchase
agreement is for ar aoquisitio� o�st of 598,500. Tn ac3dition, the developer hus
hi red the Desic� Partnership Gro� to prepare ptel in,inary site pl ans and elevaticns
w2:ich are atta�ed for your review. Tatal estimated acquisition oosts, ass�m:ing
the developer ac�quires all properties and there are no relocation oosts, are as
fallaa�:
A Rapid Oil paroel incl uding
the single fai;ily property - 5400, 000
A duplex S 98,500
Shorty's ToWing S 17 5, 000
Vacant lots S 50,000
TOrI'AL S 723, 500
(asking prioe)
(purcfia�e agrec-�nent acnou�t )
(best guess )
(best quess >
Additional oosts would include the relocation of the streets, as shown in the
attadled sketcfi, and utility �ork including the removal of a sanitary sewer line
WP1C3'1 r�ns throucjl the vacated street area. 'Il�e City Engineering Department is
preparir.g estimates for �til ity w�rk whicfi will be forwarded to the Council and HRA
when available. ?he c3evelaper is willing to pay � to S4/sq. ft. for developnent
ric�ts to this property. We are estimating that the parcel is approximatel}�
100, 000 sq. ft. A 5400, 000 aoquisitior� prioe would leave a cief icit of $ 323, 500 for
aa3uisiticr, oosts onl��. Cl�e solution to this deficit wouln be to enter ir.to an
equity agreenent with the develcyper whereby the iIF11 subsidy would be reimburse�3
�cn sale of the develo�nent, alrng with any profits resulting fran appreciation.
�e EiFA infocmally reviewed the oonoept and cost analysis on April 14th and are
��.•p�ortive of the Froject. Upon sutxnission of a copy of the duplea �urchase
agreenent the HRA authorized staff to grant the 3eveloper the exclu.sive ric�t tc
o�ntir.ue to r�ego�tiate a develapneitt agreener�t.
Zoning issues include a rezoning of a pc>rtion of the property from R-2 duplex tc
C-2 general business Csee map), the vacation of a portivn of the existir.g service
roed ar.d the platting of the p�aperty.
We are anticipating that the most difficult aaquisition at this point will be LY;E
�pid Oil paroel. �e reverit acquisitions by the Ashl �.,nd Oil group of all the
property involved equals 5285,000. we have been informFd that their askin5 pric�e i�
S4G0,000. Tt may beoane neaessary f� the HRA or the City to step in to acquirE
this �roF,erty. Fbssihle o�ndemnation prooeedings and rezonir:g will need to �e
caref ully 000rdinated. We are seeking the oo�sel af Her r i ck and Newr�ar� in thi ��
matter.
JR:ls
oC Herrick ar.d Newman
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