PL 06/22/1988 - 7118PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 1988
7:30 P.M.
Public
pla,�,r,; ng p�ssion
City of �idley
AGENDA
PLAi�INIlVG Q�A�SS?ON MEETIl�IG W�SDAY, JUi� 22, 1988 7:30 P.Nl.
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CALL 'IO ORDF�R:
1�I�L Q�,LL :
APPROVE PLAI�IlVIlVG �SSION NmV[TrFS: N1ay 18, 1988
PUBLIC HEARII�: Q�NSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP
#88-06, BY MEL�RD, IlJC.: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I - 1Q
Per Secticn 205.15.1.C.8 of•the Fridley City Code, to allow
the expansion of outside storage on Lot 9, Auditor's
Subdivisi�► l�b. 94, the sanee bei.ng 5351 Central Avenue N.E.
PUBLIC I�ARING: 0.�NSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP
#88-08, BY WIId,IAM BP,RTRAM:- - - - • - • . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 - 2!I
Pnx Secticn 205.14.O1.C.2 of trise FYidley City Code, to a11ow
automobile agencies to sell or display new and/or used
vehicles; per Section 205.14.O1.C.8 of the FYidley City Code,
to allow exterior storage�of materials and equipment o¢i Lot 2,
Block 2, Springbrook Apartments at Northtown, generally
located north of 83rd Avenue and west of i3niversity Avenue.
CONSIDERATION OF A VACATION, SAV #88-01, BY THE CITY OF
F'Ft_��� AI�ID TAl�'I' 1�AR'I'f�RRN OPERA'I'IONS C�LJI'ER: . ... . ... 3- 3F
Zb vacate a six foot easement for storm sewer described in
Uoctunent 268274 in Hook 659, Pa.ge 569, dated Nvvea�ber 3, 1964,
and to vacate a 12 foot easement for contruction and
maintenance of a storm sewer described in Docuanent 2 80 89 9 in
Book 697, Page 441, dated October 20, 1965, all generally
located at 6499 University Avenue N.E.
RECEIVE THE N�IUTE.S OF � PARKS AI�ID RE(�ZEATION N�I'Il� OF 1�,Y
2, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . • - - . . . . . . . GgSEN
RECEIVE Tf� NBN[TI'F� OF Ti� HUN�,1�T RES�OURCES MEETING OF MAY 5,
1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SAI.L[OH
RECEIVE THE NlINUl'F5 OF TI� F�USING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
N�rIlVG OF 1�Y 12, 1988 - - - - - • - - - - - • . . . . . . . . . . iiHITE
RECEIVE THE NaNUTES OF Zi� SPECIAI� iI[A�,N RESOURCES MEETING OF
N�,Y 19. 1988 � . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SAII�DA
RECEIVE THE N�TIJrFS OF Ti� APPEALS Qk�ISSIOTJ MEETING OF MAY
24, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . YEI.LOW
REC.EIVE Tf� NaNU1�S OF TI� APPEAIS �SSION N.��ING OF JUl�
14, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . YELLOii (AT �G. )
O� BUSIl�SS :
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P�AI�Il�TIl�lG �S$ION N�TIl�G, MAY 18, 1988
(]�1TT, 11D ORDER:
�'►�rson Betzold called. the May 18, 1988, Pla*�n� ng Catmi.ssion �eting to
order at 7:35 p.m.
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Mgnbers Present: Dornald Betzold, Uave Kondrick, Dean .aaba, Alex Barr�a.
Sue Sherek. Paul Dahlberg
Manbers Absent: Ncme
Others Present: Kathlyn Castle, Planning Assistant
Jock Ro�ertson, Ca►tinulity Develo�it Director
Jim RObiI]5011. Planni ng (,pprdinatpr
Roy Petersen, 250 - 57 th Avenue N.E., Holiday Plus
Robert Ealdauff, 6045 Gardena Lane, N.E.
John Schreckengost, 6045 Czardena Lane, N.E.
APPl�VAL OF N�.Y 4 f 1988, PL�NNING CAN�lISSION _N.mWTES:
N�'I'?ON by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Sherek, to approve the May 4, 1988,
Plaruiing Cce�missian minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOR'E, ALL VOTING AYE, C��A�2PERSON BEZZOLD DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
C�.RR.IED CENANIl�R7USi�Y.
Per SectiOn 205.15.1.C.1
garden center cai Lot 13,
57 th Avenue N.E.
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of the Fridley City Code to relocate and expa.nd
Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, the same being 250 -
NfOTION by Mr. Ko�drick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to waive the fo�mal reading of
t1�e public hearuig mtice and c�pen the public h�aring.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q�AIltPF�RSON BEIZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIl�USZY ArID 'Ii�E PUBLIC HF�,RING OPEIV AT 7:37 P.M.
Ms. C`astle stated this special use pennit would allow for the expansion and
relocatian of Holiday Plus' outcloor garden center. Holida.y Plus was located
between I-694 ari the south, 57th Avenue on the mrth, University Avenue on
the east and Main Street on the west. Holiday Plus was located in C-3,
general sY�ping, zon�ng district which allaas for an outdoor garden center
with a special use pezmit.
Ms. Castle stated the existing garden center is approximately 2,300 sq. f t.
and is loca.ted on the northeast side of the store. The proposed garden
center will be ��x;mately 3,000 sq. ft. and will be relocated to the
southeast side.
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Ms. Castle stated staff was recaRrnsiding approval of the special use permit
with the follvwing stipulations:
1. Rsnave existing autdoor storage far the garden center upon opening of
the relocated center.
2. Petitioner to work with the city staff on upgrading the site's
landscaping to meet the City Code. Landscape plan to follow.
3. Petitioner to resurface entire parking lot. The lot will then be
restriped for 10' x 20' parking sp,aces mt abutting a curb or sidewalk
and 10' x 18' far those that do abut a curb and sidewalk.
4. There wi11 be n�o �rki.ng along the c,�arden center's fen+ce.
5. There shall be no entrance/exit f�cxn the garden center to the parking
lot.
6. Petitianer irnust maintain a11 landscape planters and landscaping.
7. Petiticaier imust pick up litter and c�bris and maintain a regular pick-up
schedule.
8. Petitior�er to designate the southwest area of the property for semi-
trailer parking. Semi-trailers are to park only i.n this designated
area.
9. If a walkway is needed along 57th Avenue, the petitioner agrees to
either installatical ar assessmP�t of this sidewalk.
10. No outside storage within the garden center to exceed height of
screen.ing fence.
11. Six foot higYa �hain link fence to be slatted with tubular vi.nyl.
Ms. Sh�erek asked what the City's experience has been with Holiday Plus
canplying with past stipulaticros.
Ms. Castle stated that in the past, the City has had problems with Holiday
Plus maintaining landscaping, pickin� up litter and debris, and maintaining
the parking lot.
Ms. Sherek stated she would like to see the Commission add a stipulation
requiring a pPxf onnance bo��d.
N�. Saba questioned why there needed to be a stipulation regarding no
entrance/exit fro�n the garden centex to the parking lot (stipulation #5) .
Ms. C�stle stateal.tl�is was a pr�vious stipulation to the special use permit
in 1976 for a garden center. She thought it would help in terms of
sl�oplifting pxnblens.
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Nlr. Saba asked why ttLat needed to be a stipulation. Holiday plus should
make the c�ecision as to whether or n�ot they want an entrance/exit to the
�arking lot frrgn the garden center. Many garden centers around the city
have just an q.�xi area where peaple can ocane in and pick up trees without
having to go through a stAre.
Ms. Sherek stated.she agreed with Mr. Saba. She thought the reason the
stipulaticrn was there in the first place was because the existing garden
center opens right onto the main parking lot, and it would have been a
hazard to have peaple parking there to load trees and plants.
Mr. Itondrick stated he also agreed that stipulation #5 should be deleted.
Mr. Betzold referred to stipulation #3 regarding the resurf acing of the
entire parking lot. Did that mean every square inch of the parking lot
would be resurfaced?
Nlr. R4binsmi stated the store manager has indicated that it was Holiday
Plus' intensi� to resurface the entire parking lot. The City Engineer has
suggested.that when the parking lot is resurfaced that the drainage be
improved at the same time.
Mr. Dehlberg asked what the effective aisle drive-out width was with the
parallel garking alo�g the curb.
Mr. Robinson stated he was not sure, but it would have to be 25 f t. for
two-wa.y traffic. Staff would check that �t with the site plan.
Mr. Dahlberg stated that if Holiday maintains the praper aisle width, there
sYwuld be r� difficulty in having c7ouble parking along tt�at curb.
Mr. Ray Peterson sta.ted. he was the Assistant Store Manager at Holiday Plus.
He stated.he was at the meeting mainly to hear the stipulations so he could
present those stipulations to the c�iy.
Mr. Peterson stated that Mike Trasser, the r�w Store Maz�ager, is def initely
interested in resurfacing the entire garki n� lot.
Mr. Dahlberg asked what N�. Peterson's reactiar�.was to a direct entrance to
the garden center frcan the outside in a�ition to the inside entrance.
Mr. Robi.nson stated.that they do not handle trees anymore in the garden
center, except for occasional special orders. They deal mainly with
vegetable and bedding plants, manure and peat moss for gardens. They do
have sar�e root wrap roses and sane potted roses, but that was basically the
extent of what they carxy in the garc7en center. One reason for the proposal
to relocate the gaxd2ri center was because there was no room in the present
location. C�st�nexs have difficulty maneuvering around with carts. They do
�t plan to add an�+-�;ng to their inventozy, but more to �exi up the area so
people can mwe around more freely.
N�. Peterson stated that in the landscaping plan for the fence around the
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the addition was constructed and the siding would also match the
AYi sting sidirig.
Mr. Robinson asked if there would be a separate entrance to the
additi�.
Mr. &zJ.dauff stated there would be an entran,ce to the additicm from the
new deck, an entrance fram the basenent area, and an entrance from the
house Proper, so there would be three entrances to the additic�.
Nir. Robinson stated staff is currently reviewing the ordinance on
m�the�isrlaw apax�ments, and what Mr. Baldauff was proposing was f ine
as long as it did not include any kitchen facilities.
Mr. Aahlberg asked if the existing utility/drainage easement would
ranain in its current location. Orice the lot is increased in size, the
owner has the potential of more expansion, in which case the
utility/drainage easanent might restrict ariy future develog�nt.
Mr. Robinson stated that would be true at the time of any future
deve.7-apment• However, the petitic�ner would have to petition to vacate
the Pxisting utility/drainage easement at a cost of $100, and then the
vacation process is a fairly lengthy process. He did r�ot feel there was
any need to deal with it at this time.
Nkr'• Barna. stated he believed tt�at the avr�er would have to petitioner to
vacate the ea.sement and then the City would have to rededicate an
easement. He, too, saw no reason to do that at this time, since r�thing
1�1r,'. Baldauff was doing would affect the existing easenent.
Mr. Rabins� stated staff could evaluate wh,ether a new drainage easc-�nent
was needed and if there were any utilities in that easement and then
make a rec�ndaticaz to the City Council.
N10TION b�► Mr. Kpndrick, seconded by Ms. Sherek, to recommend to City
Council appraval of Lot S�lit, L.S. #88-03, by R. A. Baldauff, to split
off that part of Lot 36, Block 3, Moore Lake Hills, described as
follows: begirming at the r�ortheast corner of Lot 1, Block 1, Gardena
Meloland Gardens, thence nort�aesterly along a line which passes through
a point distant 31.00 feet northeasterly of the northwest corner of said
Lot 1, as measured along the northeasterly extension of the
r�rthwesterly line of said Lot 1 to the rmrthwesterly line of said Lot
36; thence southwesterly al�g the northwesterly li.ne of said Lot 36 to
the southwest corner of said Lot 36; thence east along the south lirbe of
said Lot 36 to the point of beg� �+*�i ?�g� generally located at 6 053 Woody
Lane N.E., with the follaaing stigulations:
1. Tt�e c�ivisio�/c�anbinatfon foxm signed by the fee owner and
returr�ed to the Citg� by July 6, 1988, and prior to the
issuance of a building rn�;t.
2. T�e lot split be recorded at the Aiwka County Courthause
within six mcmths after City Council appraval and prior to
the issuance of a building ��; t.
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UPCB�T A VOIC� VO►T'E, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE
NDTION CARRIED UNANIl+�DU�Y.
Mr. Robi.nson stated this iten would go to City Council oal J�e 6.
3. REC�IVE APRII� 14, 1988, I�USIlVG & REDEVIIAPN�Tr AiTPHORT�TY NBN[PI'F.S:
� by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Barna, t� receive the April 14,
1988, Housing & Redevelognent Authority, minutes.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE
ND'I'ION (�,RRIED ZJNANIl"DUSLY.
4, RECEIVE APRIL 19, 1988, ENVIRONN�NTAL QUALITY COMMISSION
NlOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by N.[r. Kondrick, to receive the April 19 ,
1988, Envira�c�ental Qa�lity Catenissicm/Energy Conunisson joint meeting
mirrutes.
UPON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DEQ�ARED THE
MYI'ION (�RR�D UNANIl�USZY.
5. RECEIVE N�,Y 10,_ 1988, APPEALS O�N�JISSION NmVUTFaS:
MOTIpN b�, Mr. garna, �nded by Mr. KQndrick, to receive the May 10,
1988, Appeals C�nission misiutes.
UPQN A VOIC:E VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, C�3AIRPERSON BETZOLD DECZARED THE
NlDTION CARR�D UNAN.II�DUSLY.
6 . 0'I�R BUSIl�SS :
Mr. Robinson stated the City has a grant frcm D.P.S. The grant will be
Sharecl betw,een enviroranental qual.ity and energy issues, and they were
recently able to get an extension and to rework the grant in order to
get. $5,000 for curricultun develognent by S�rin�rook Nature Center staff
and program orientation for a two-prong program which has to interface
recycling issues with energy consezvation issues. The curriculum will
be targeted at the fourth grade lewel.
Mr. Diahlberg stated at the EQC/Energy Commission j oint meeting the
previous everung. theY had discussed including in the contract with the
Nature Center that the �QC and giex'�r �missions review the first dra.ft
of the curriculiun devela�ent so th�Y can give the staf f some input on
what they feel is most appropriate or do sac�e research or pravide some
background i�ozmatio�a the Cc�missioners have available.
Nlr. Robi nG�n stated it was a grant that would also pay for bus trips for
fourth g�aders to get to the Nature Center for the four Fridley
elanentaty schools. He stated that frccn this, they hope to �t a video
that can then be shared with other schools in adjacent districts.
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Mr. Robinsan stated the other aspect of the grant would be a workshop
related to the Miruieapol is Energy Of f ice. The idea is to do energy
audits far multi- family ckvellings, and the Mi.rmeapolis Energy Office,
f�� t�OUgh M; = Gco, 1�as agreed to do that imder the iunbrella of
working far� Fridley as a Fridley consultant.
Mr. Kondrick asked that Mr. Robinson gass this inforniation on to the
Farks & Recreation Ccemnissi�.
Mr- Rabinson sta.ted the other c,�od r�ews was that curbside recycl ing has
9� �aY uP•
Mr• DahlbPx'9 stated the Lions Qub c�ntributed $4,000 for recycling bins
and $1,000 for education, due to the tremendous efforts of Maynard
Nielsen who should be co�ended for his efforts. At the EQC/Energy
C�missicm meeting, they had ta�ked about ways to capitalize an that and
approach so¢ne of the other city organizations to try to get some
nratGhing c�tributions. Once they get a good base, they can explore the
purchase of recycling bins.
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M�!'I�N bY Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Shere, t� adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, C�airperson Betzold declared the M�►y
18, 1988, Planning Ccs�enission meeting adjourried at 8:45 p.m.
Respectfully sula�iitted,
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Recording Secretary
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AJBLIC BEARING
BE�RE 7�iE
PLAI�]ING �NIl�SS ION
Notioe is hereby given that there will be a Publ ic Hearing of the P1 anning
Co�nission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue
Northeast on Wec�esday, May 4, 1988, in the Co�mcil Qianber at 7: 30 p. m for
the purpose a�f :
Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #68-06, by
Menarci, Inc., per Section 205.15.1.C.8 of the Fridley
City Code� to allaw the expansion of out side st orage on
Lat 9, Auditor's Subdivision No. 94, the s�ne being 5351
Ceritral Avenue N. E. . FridleYr Mir�esota, 55421.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opport�nity at the
above stated time and plaoe.
DONALD B�ZQ,D
(�iAIRN�N
pL,AtIl�1ING �I�II+'BSS ION
Publ ish : April 20, 1988
April 27, 1988
Any questions related to this item may be referred to the Friciley Co�nunity
Develognent Deparbuerit. 571-3450.
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Menard's Inc.
SP �88-06
City Council
Planning Co�n. Chair
Menard's Inc.
Route 2
Eau Claire, WI 54701
James Petron
5300 Fillmore Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55�Z I
David Mollers
1288 Skywood Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 554�-2'Z 1
Roland Lang
1278 Skywood Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55�2'� 0
Yun Lee
1268 Skywood Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 5543�' ZI
Carl Heggestad
1258 Skywood Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 554�2' � �
Mary Matthews
1259 Skywood Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 554.3-2'Z {
Sheldon Mortenson
1289 Skywood Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 554�2' Z �
A & L Management Co.
2051 Long Lake Road
New Brighton, MN 55112
A & L Management
1200 Cheri Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 5543-2' Z I
A & L Management Co.
1230 Cheri Lane N.E.
Fridley, M N 55� � �
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PLANNING April 20, 1988
MAII.II�G LIST COUNCIL
Donald Delich William Kuether
5284 Taylor Street N.E. 5268 Taylor Street NE
Fridley, MN 5543�2L 1 Fridley, MN 5543�2 7_ ;
A & L Management Co.
1260 Cheri Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 5543�2' Z !
A & L Management Co.
1290 Cheri Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55�/lZ l
Edina Realty
6500 France Avenue S
Minneapolis, MN 55435
Skywood Mall
5263 Central Avenue, ��52
Fridley, MN 5543�'�f
Ground Round
5277 Central Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 554,3°2 j. j
Howard Johnson Co.
Box 38
Wahkon, MN 56386
Thomas Skovran
5298 Fillmore Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432 ." !
Ronald Parizek
5258 Fillmore Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 5543�' �- l
Marvin Schenk
5246 Fillmore Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 554�2' � l
James Rosemeuer
5285 Taylor Street N.E.
Fridley, MN SS�t.3�.' 2 /
i:win Lemke
5299 Taylor Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 554�2'Z /
Menard's Inc.
5351 Central Avenue NE
Fridley, MN 554.31"� = i
City of Columbia Hgts.
590 - 40th Avenue N.E.
Columbia Heights, MN 55421
Edward Cooney
759 - 113th Avenue N.E.
Minneapolis, MN 55433
Resident
5298 Taylor Street N.E.
Fridley, MN,�j5421
Co�erce Park Investors
3989 Central_ Avenue N.E.
Columbia Heights, MN 55421
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�airperson Betzold called the May 4, 1988, Planning Comm ion meeting to
order at 7: 30 p. m
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!�lembers Preser�t : no�ta s�tz�a, Dean Saba ue Sherek, Alex Barna
Me�nb�ers Absent: Dave Ronclrick, Rid��d Sva�da
Others Present: Jock Robertso Ca�m�nity Developnent Director
Steve Bill ' , City Co�ncilmsnbe=
Qleryl S�i.'nski, 1612 Berre Circle
Briar� �ianson. Paul Pink & Associates
��, p+�, �, �evondecl by Ms. Sherek, to apprwe the April 20, 1988,
Planning issian minutes as written.
I1pON VOI� VOIE, ALL VOTING A�r �iAIRPERS(N BElZa'D DEQ'ARED THE MO'I'ION
�D UNAN�JUSLY.
1. f11�TTAAT ne� a c�rrTnr. t1CF pF.RMTT. SP �88-06• BY
PUBLIG ARING• C�NSIDEr�e
t.�:�, INC. : Per Sectia� 205.15.1.G 8 0� the Frinley City Code to allow
the ex�xvzsiori of a�tsic�e storage on Lot 9, Auditor's Subdivision No. 94, the
sarne being 5351 Central A�venue N. E. � I�idley, Minresota, 55421.
Mr. Robertson stated the petitiocyer, Marv Proci�aska. had telephoned him f ran
Eau Qaire, Wisaonsin, to request that this item be tabled. l�Ir. Prochaska
had stated he had reoeived a a�py of the staff reoommendations regarding
retaining a aonsulting engineer to study the feasibility of a noise wall,
anc] Mr. Prod�aslca stated he would like to work on that before bringing this
item before the Pl�ning GaRmission.
Mr. Betzold asked if there r�eeded to be another mail ing to the residents
when this item oanes back before the Plar�ning C.o�nissio�n•
Mr. Billings stated that today he had asked the Community Development
Depart�nent Secretary to call those people who had attended the April 26,
1988, P,ppeals Ca�nission meeting to ir�orm then that this special use permit
request before the Planning Caimission was g�ing to be tataled and to inform
them that they should call either the City OEf ices in two weeks or to
contact him to f ind out when it was going to be back on the Pl anning
Conmission agenda. He stated he had s personal contact list of people he
- would o�ntact, a�d sinae there w+ere no other people at the meeting regarding
this it�n, he did not see any reason to ser�cl out a seoond mailing.
� t�y Mr. Barna, seaonded by Ms. Sherek, to tab�le special use pennit, SP
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i88-06, by Menard, Inc.
UPON A VOI� VOt£, ALL VOrII�G A�� QiA�E�� B�a'D �Q'�D THE 1�TION
Qs,RR�D UI�N7MXJ3,Y. �
�► nr�rwr�r �cva l88—Ol, Bv c�RYL• �`i'L1�5K? :
2. �t�IG I�aRTI�• mASIDFTtATION OF o
To rezone frcm R-3 tGer�eral Multigle Dwelling) to at-1 (General OEfice). on
p�art o� Lats 2 aand 3, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, the san►e being�;�001
Hillwind Road N. E. �
�Q� by Mr. Barna, �eoonded by irlrr. Saba, to waive the readir�j of the
formal pub�lic hearing notice and to apen the public hearing. /
UpON A VOI� VOI'E, ALL VOrING AYE� �1��� B�a'D �Q'� TH� MOTION
Q�i2RIED UNANINCXIS'LY AAID THE HIBLIC HEARIlJG �EN � 7: 34 P. M.
Mr. Robertson stated the petitioner was requesting a ezoning f roan R-3
(General 1►iultiple Dwelling) to �t-1 (General Off ice ), �or the purpose of
c�mbinin the lots and constructing a three-stsory�nulti-tenant office
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building. The building would be built wer a sur�ace parking area, so
essentially gart a� the building would t�e on stilts ith parking underneath-
zlao paroels were involved: the most ��herly lat�hich was al r�ady�d the
(R-1 and preseritly has the NPrrill Lynch offic building on i,
r�rtherly parael which was zaned R-3 and has boardec]-up vacated single
fanily ho�se an it.
Mr. Robertson btated there have been thre rezonings along Hillwind Road
f rcm R-3 to Qt-1 dating back before 1951 In addition, this specif ic lot
was the subject o� a rezoning prooec�re�rhidz was terminated when the seoond
reading of the ordinanoe was tabled at'�the City Council in 1982. At that
time, the petitioner, Ms. Stinski/ (Nybo ). was ta�able to compl ete the
requirener�ts for the land devel •
Mr. Robertson stated that, al g with the rezoning, the petitioner was
prooessing a variance reques for reduction of a buffer area between a
oomnerci al and residential ea f rom 15 feet to 5 feet. Th i s pe ti t i on was
heard by the Appeals Co�ssion on April 26, 1988, at which time they
reo�cmended apprwal to e City (btncil•
Mr. Rvbertson stated . Stinski has also ir�formally aomm�icated with the
HRA and has sent the a list a� pcoposed financial assistanoe she would
need f or this proj ct.
Mr. Robertson ated that shoulcl the Planning Co�nission reoo�nend appraval,
staff re the fallawing stipul ations:
1. 1lie v ted hou�e an the rezoned parvel should be renoved fram the site
�lt this eruc*urle�which hasebeen a publ�ic�S fety (nuisanc� would be
- enwed ev� if the developnent di'd not prooeed- )
The p�oposed rezariing is for the develapnent as outliu�ed on the attac3�ed
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PLANNING DIVlSION
MEMOR,ANDUM
��: Jock Robertson, Ca�mu�ity Developner�t Director
Plaruiing Ca�mnission M�nbers .
1"END �tC1M: Jim Rorbinson, Pla�ning Coordinator
NEND nATE: April 28, 1988
RDGARDING: Menara's special Use Penait
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The applicant is requesting a special use permit for the expansion of the
existing outdoor storage yard located to the east of the Menard's building
and war�ouse. 7�e specif ic area of expansion is in the so�heast corner of
the storage yard aver a distance of 325 feet. In this area the existing
screening fenae will be mwed back an average c� 20 feet creating additional
storage af aproximately 6,500 square feet.
Relocating the fenae in this area invalves cutting into the existing slope
which would involve a cut a� up to 16 feet. A retaining wall w�ould be glaoed
in this area with a fenae on top of the retaining wall which would vary in
heic,�t fran 10 feet to 15 feet depending on the varianae in the grade behind
the wall. In oonj�ction with the fence proposal, a variance is being
prooess for fenoe heicjit fran 8 feet allowed to 15 feet proposed. This item
was reviewed by the Appeals Camaaission on April 26, 1988 a�d was passed onto
City Cou�cil witho� a rea�mnendation.
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Inmediately east to the Menard's property is the Beverly Hi11s single f anily
additian. �ese properties whidi sit some 60 feet above the elevation of the
storage yard have oanplaired on n�aaerous occasions that the operation of the
storage yard is a nuisanoe to then beca�se of the rnise generated by trucks
and fork lift aperations. 7�ese aomplaints and conoerns date back over a ten
year period. As you can see fra�n the attached meqno to file related to
Menard's meeting with the reic�b�rs held Fletaruary 15, 1978. At that time,
Menard's agreed to limit their operation by not using the public address
system exaept for energencies and that the saw shed would be insulated and
thircay that truck del ivery hours waald be 1 imited to 8: 00 a m. to 9: 00 p. m.
Monday th rouc� F'r iday, and 8: 00 a m to 5: 00 p. m. on S at ur day and no t r uc k
deliveries on S�nday. 7here is not mentiari of fork lift operation in this
meao. It is not readily apparent at this time whether the continued noise
probleas relate to violations of this letter of understanding or if they
occur due to other noise generating activities, such as the fork lift
operatian.
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Menarcis, Inc. SUP
April 28, 1988
Page 2
In order to study the impact af the prop�sed fence, staff has put together
the atta�ed sectian which shows the existing and proposed fenoe and the
viewline fraan the neic�boring house to the east. As you can see, the
proposed fenoe at the property lire would not p�esent a sig�ificant increase
in buffering in either views or �ise at this location. We have discussed
these r�ise issues with MnDOT and have been informed that in order for a
noise fenoe to be effective it would have to be 3 to 5 feet higher than a
line a�nnecting ear level, eye level lir�e �' a resident m the hill with the
base aE the storage yard area at the building (see attached section and
analysis) . As you can see f rata the sketch a f ence and wal l st r uct ur e
ambination meeting this criteria installed at the property line would have
to be between 35 to 40 feet in height versus the 25 foot wall and fence
oanbinatiosi p�oposed by the develaper. In addition, MnDO►P has indicated that
the oonst r uction of the wall �oul d be 2' x 6' mater i al in or de r to prov ide
s�ficie.nt noiee dampering. The additional issue which would need to be
oonsidere3 in ic�stallation in noise abatement structure would be the
reaaining f enoe 1 ine rnt pr opo se d t o be upgr ade d w ith th i s proposal (see
atta�ed pl an ) .
Should the Planning Ca�mnission decide to rea�nend ap�o�val a� expansion the
storage yard, staff is reaommending that they consider attaching the
fallawing stipulations:
L Hours of operation as a�eed to in meeting held February 15, 1978 should
be modif ied to inclu�de fork 1 ift truck operation.
2. Menard Inc. will provide a report f rom noise abatement
specialist/engirieer pcwiding details of the aptians availahle to affect
a sigiificant mise reduction as experienc�ed by the neic�►bors to the
east.
3. Prior to excavatian and wnstruction for the expansion, Menard Inc. will
sutmit for a�a�al erosian aontrol details for appraval.
4. Prior to constructiar� Menard Inc. will supply revised structural drawings
sic,}�ed by a registered engir�eer.
5. Replaoe all dead pla�t material on the perimeter a� the pa.rking area.
6. Verify for staff that the lawn irrigation system is functioning by
arranging demansration.
Should Pla�ning Carmission c:oncur with the reoommendation for additionai
enyirnering incluc3ing noise abatenent and struc.tural wnsideratians, I would
reoomaend that the Commission table this public hearing until such time
details area availatale for the Ca�nnissian's review.
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Richard N. Sobiech, Public Works Director
kFt;O DATE: !'ay �0, 1979
SUBJECT: F:eeting Held February 15. 1978 trith Residents
and Menards' Representatives
This �eeting was held to discuss residents' concerns r�it�
tions of F;�nards. The following items were agreed upon astaed�reca
tio�� to start improve�ents:
l. .P.A, off except for emergencies.
2. SaN shed insulati�n to reduce sound by f4arch ist (Bui]ding Permit
requirerent).
.3. 7ruck delivery hours: 8:00 a.m. - 9:00 p.m. (Saturdays)
Mon. -'Fri. (8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.)
Sundays �nonej
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1�M0 T0: Mark Burch, Assistant Public Works Director
MEMO FROM: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordina[or�j�
MEMO DATE: April 15, 1988
REG�,RDIhG: Menard's
On Monday, April 11, 1988 I met vith David Turek, Project Manager, for Menard's.
Mr. Turek vas requesting an excava[ion permit to expand the Menard's storage
yard (see attached plan). Mr. Turek explained that he had already removed some
old fencing and had begun excavation thinking that no permit was required. I
informed him that even though a fence does not require a permit, the expansion
of outside storage requires a special use permit. A variance associated with
the plan includes excess fence height on the high side of the retaining wall
from eight feet allowed to !S feet proposed (actual fence height varies with
the grade on the east side of the fence). See aitached fence details.
On Wednesday, April 13, 1988 Menard's applied for both zoning permits.
Note that the zoning of the outlot platted With Beverly Hills is zoned commercial.
Because Menard's does not abutt residential, the 15 feet buffer discussed is not
zequired.
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M-88-83
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l�EMO TO: Mark Bur�, Assistant Public Works Director
l�El� FRQ�1: Darrel Qark, Q�ief Building Official
l�END DA�'E : April 15, 1988
REX'�ATiDING: Menard5 Retaining Wall/�enoe Replaoemerit, 5351 Gerrtral Ave N.E.
Ch or about Mar�i 30, 1988, I reoeived a call fran Mr. Hvward Thorson asking if
a perr,�it would be required to excavate and oonstruct a retaining wall east of
the Nfenarcls store. I told him that they would def inately need a permit, and
th at he shoul d inf orm the pe r scn he was deal ir.g w ith at Mena r ds t o inf orm th e
City prior to anything happening
On or at�out N�ar� 31, 1986, Irlr. �uck Seger called and asked who had called �r,e
about work to be cbne on the lfenards property. T told hin and gave hin the
telephonE n�nber for Haward Thorson. He stated he personally knew of nothing
cping on, however property rr�anagement mic�t be plar�r►ing something with the fenoe
replaoeme.nt. i also told hir.: that no matter what was gcing to happen that the}�
rust �ubr:it their F1ans for City a�prwal.
On April 11, 1988, at 4:55 pn, John Flora asked me to stop at Menards on my way
in on Tuesday, April 12, 1968, to verify that the contractor was not working.
At 7:30 an, April 12, 1966 I visited the site ar,d found no workmen working; a
bobcat wes on the job site and some excavation had taken place prior to my
visit. I spoke to Dennis, cne af Menarck as: istant managers, who stated that
work had been stopped and that someone fran the hane affiee would be contacting
the City for a perr,�it. Dennis also stated that he heard this matter was going
before the Council at their next meeting. I told hini that the �rocess,
depending upon what the p�oje� involvec3, aould be more time eensuning than one
Co�ncil meeting.
A large segnent af their security fence had already been remaved and I asked
Dennis if they could go without a fenoe; he responded that he wasn't sure,
however they cb have 24 hour guards.
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FRiDLEY
CIVIC CENTER • 6431 UNIVERSITY AVE. N.E. FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432 • PHONE (612) 571-;450
14p�ri1 25, 1988
Marv Proc�aska
Vioe President /Real Estate
Menard Inc.
4777 Menard Drive
Eau Qaire, WI 54703
Dear Mr. Prod�aska:
I am writing in response to your letter to Mark Burd� dated April 15, 1988,
in which you allege that a mistake was made by Ms. Rathy Castle of the
Comn�nity Developnent Department. I have spoken to Kathy regarding your
allegation that she approved an �expansion to the outsiae storage area and
varianoe to fenoe heic�t, and she disagrees with this assertion. Obviously,
only the City Co�cil can issue varianoes and special use permits.
Mr. David Turek of your offioe stopped by our a�fioe and inquired abo�t the
reed to avquire a building permit for the wnstruction of a fence. City
ordinanoes d� not require permitting for fence construction that otherwise
meets the criteria o� the aode. Rathy oorrectly prwided this information in
resp�nse to his question. However, in this case, the fence repl aoement and
relocation creates additional a�nsideratians, expansion of ovtside storage
and the reed f or up to 15 feet a� fenoe heic�t, whid� were not hic�l ic�ted by
Mr. Turek during his �nsdzeduled visit to our offices. 8ad Menard, Inc.,
taken the time to either sci�edule an appointment or submit plans for staff
review, we a�uld have prwided you with a more coanprehensive analysis of your
prop�sal and the steps neaessary to construct it.
Having f irst hand Ic�owledge a� how your neic�bors to the east are sens,itive
to your storage yard operatian, I would think that you would have made an
apQc>intment to discuss this with our City Pl anner. Jim Robinson, whan you
have worked with before on other Menard exp�v�sion projects. As it occurred,
Mr. Turek asked a question relating to cnly the fence, and we responded in
kir�d.
I regret your inoonv�ienae and e�ra expense, but do not o�ncur with your
assessnent af the hlame. In the future I hic�ly recommend that you sub�►it
pla�s as far in advanae as pcssible in order to allaw us time to evaluate
your proposal in depth.
Sinaerely.
Jock Rol�ertson
�mn�nity Develo�ament Director
C-86-136
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April 15, 1988
Mark L. Burch
Assistant Public Works Director, P.E.
�ify �f FricileY
6431 University Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
RE: TEMPORARY FENCE AT OUR STORE
Dear Mr. Burch:
We are reinstalling e temporary fence to secure e portion
of our rear lot area.
� As you know we removed a section of our security fence before
; we were advised that Kathlyn Cashe had made e mistake in
approving our plan for replecing our security fence which
expands our outside storage area by about 6,500 sq. ft.
This was e very expensive misteke Kathlyn mede it will cost us
thousands of dollars for the contrector to move in end move out
several times end to reconstruct the fence.
Sincerely,
Merv Procheska
Vice President/Real Estate
Menard, Inc.
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BEFURE ��
P�,A1V[JIl�TG �SSION
Notice is here]�y given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Cannissicm of the City of FYidley at the 4'�� IDU(3�TION CENTER, 6085 -
7TH S�REEP N.E. on Wedr�sda.y, J�e 22, 1988 at 7:30 p.m. for the purpose of :
Oonsideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #88-08, by
William Bartram, per Section 205.14.01.C.2 of the Fridley
City Code, to allow automobile agencies to sell or
display new and/or used vehicles; per Section
205.14.O1.C.8 of the Fridley City Code, to allow exterior
storage of materials and equipment on Lot 2, Block 2,
S�rinc�rook Agar�uents at Northtown, generally located
north of 83rd Avenue and west of University Avenue.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an apportunity at the
above stated tim� and place.
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June 15, 1988
Ariy questi�s related to this iten may be referred to the Fridley Community
Develo�sit Department, 571-3450.
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- City Council Members
City Manager�
Planning Commission Chair.
William Bartram
I1834 Tapestry Lane
Minnetonka, MN 55343
William Barbush
3131 Excelsior Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55416
University Avenue Associates
7841 Wayzata Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55426
Springbrook Apartments
101 - 83rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
M. B. Properties
2531 Marshall Streete
Minneapolis, MN 55418
Northwestern Orthopedic Surgeon
500 Osborne Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Bryant Investments Co.
7841 Wayzata Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55426
Philip Monroe, ETAL
720 Sunset Drive
Marquette, WI
Ralph Virgillo
7466 Meadowood �rive
Brooklyn Park, MN 55444
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Mr. william Bartram Mr. William Barbush
11834 Tapestry Lane 3131 Excelsior Blvd.
Minnetonka, Mn. 55343 Minneapolis, Mn. 55416
535-5200
Mr. Nasim M. Qureshi, City Manager
Mr. John Flora, City Enqineer
City of Fridley
6431 University Ave. N. E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Re: Construction of a service road and associated
utilities
83rd and University, north toward 85th Ave.
Gentlemen:
On May 20, 1988, Mr. William Barbush and Mr. William
Bartram submitted an application for a Special Use Permit
along with a site plan to the City Planner for the
development of Lot 2, Block 2, in the tract known as
Springbrook Apartments at Northtown. Mr. Jim Robertson
is currently reviewing the plans for a new car/used
car/service facility which we propose to build at that
site. To facilitate a timely construction schedule, we
wish to petition the city at this time for the
construction of a servicE road and associated utilities.
The service road requested would be similar to the
service road in place on the south side of 83rd Ave. A
conceptual drawing of the proposed service road can be
made available to you at your request. You may also refer
to the site plan for the proposed road layout.
The property defined as lot 2, block 2, is owned by Mr.
Barbush; the Special Use Permit Fee Owner. He and the
petitioner, Mr. William Bartram, wish to petition the
City of Fridley for the construction of the service road
and understand the property will be assessed for the
improv�ments along the property frontaqe in accordance
with city policy. If it is appropriate, the petitioners
also waive the required public hearinq to expedite this
process.
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Please review this petition and direct any questions
regarding it to Mr. Bartram or myself and we will address
them promptly. Thank you your'prompt attention to this
matter. we look forward to workinq with you on this
project.
Sincerely,
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Ms. Susan Prebil
Aclministrative Assistant
535-5200
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CIVIC CENTER • 6431 UNIVERSITY AVE. N.E. FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432 • PHONE (612) 571-3450
Jtaie 10, 1988
� WHOM IT N��Y QH�TC�iN:
The City of FYidley Planning Chnnissian will be h�ldi.ng an infozmal hearing
an a request for a vacaticai, SAV #88-01, by the City of Fridley and Target
Northern Operatio�s Cpntes, to vacate a six foot easement for storm sewer
described in Doc�aaent 268274 in Book 659, Page 569, dated November 3, 1964,
and to vacate a 12 foot easenent for o�ntn�ction ar�d aaintenance of a storm
sewer descrilxd in Doctan�nt 280899 in Book 697, Page 441, dated October 20,
1965, all �nA�lly located at 6499 Uaiversity Avenue N.E.
Ariyc�e whc� wishes to be heard shall be given the apport�ity at the Planning
CL�mission meeting oai Wednesday, June 22, 1988 at the OONA�JNITY EDUCATION
C�Tl�R, 6085 - 7TH STRF�P N.E. at 7:30 p.m.
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6499 University Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Anoka County Library
410 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Canadian Fin.Housing Corp.
1117 Marquette Avenue, 4�200
Minneapolis, MN 55403
Canadian Fin.Housing Corp.
460 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Planning June 9, 1988
MAILING LIST Council
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FROM: -C' � e V. Nbravetz, F�gineering P,dministration
DATE
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May 6, 1988
No¢ivacated Eas�its on the Taxget Northern
Operatia�ns Center Property (See Attached)
Attached are copies of the easement doc�unents referenced in the above-mentioned
letter.
According to tY�e Co�ty �oorder, these easerents have not bePn vacated and are
still on the books. As the map illustrates, these easen�nts are enc�unbered
witlz t�e new Ta�gt Operations building.
I re�am�nd w�e proceed with vacation or rescind doc�urents no. 268274 and
280899 by a legally acceptable vehicle.
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PARK.S & R}�7CRFATION CC�T2TSSION MEF.TING, MAY 2, 1988
C`ATT• TO ORDER:
VicE�-C�aixpersoQi Schreiner cal.led the May 2, 1988, Parks & Recreation Go�mtission
meeti.ng to order at 7:05 p.m.
1�DLL CAI� :
Members Present: N1aYy Sehreiner, Dick Yo�g, Dan Allen, Jahn Gargaro
Members Absent: Dav�e It�ondrick (illness)
O�tZS PRESErTr: Jack Kirk, Director of Recreatioai & Natural Resouroes
Michael M. Pawlyszyn, 7844 Fearson Way
Ralph Volt�, S1lperintenc�ent of Public Wbrks
APPRWAL OF APRIL 4, 1988, PARK.S & 1�3CREATICiV CCi�MISSION DiIl�UTES:
1�ION by Mr. Allen, se�nded by i�ir, younq, to appro�e the p,pril 4, 1988, Parks
& Recreatioaw Co[�ni.ssioaz minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, AIS, V�ING AYE, VICE-CHA�2PERSON 9CI�2EINER DDQ,ARID TI�
NNli0TI0N CARRIID UIJANIlHCXJSI.Y.
APPR�C77VAL OF AC�F�IDA:
The following it:Prms w�ere added to the agenda under "New Business":
D. Meadowlands Park - Model Airplane Flying
E. Soccer Field Request - I�tike Pawlyszyn
Mr. Allen suggested that ite� "E" and "B" under °New Business" be mo�d to
item #1 priar to the "Staff Report".
MOTION by Mr. Allen, seoonded by Mr. Young, to approve the agenda as amended.
UPON A WICE V17I'E, ALL V�ING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER.SQN SCHREINER DD�itID THE
MO'I'ION CARRIID U1�NIl�9i0TJSLY.
1. S000er Field Requests - Randy Kula and Mike Pawlyszyn �
Mr. Kirk stated he would like tA givie the Comissioa�ers a little background on
why these t�ao socver field requests w�xe voming before the Catmissiori. He stated
the Parks & Recreation Department has been warking for abo�it 9-10 years with the FySA
Socoer Division in sc�
eduling park facilities. 'i"ze rnmi�r of requests for adult teauts in
the past hav�e been v�xy few and prim�rily w�ere fran tea� that are not from
Fridley--usually peaple who have seen the fields v�en driving by or who have
pla�red in Fridley �en they were younger and then fozmed a team and rec3uested a
field in Fridley. Staff has always taken the positioaz that the youth teams are
using the fields vezy heavily and if it was an "onitsic3e Fridley" team, staff
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PAFtKS •� -�TIOIJ O��I�IISSICN N�PIl�TG, 1�Y 2, 1988 PAGE 2
vaould not reserve the field. Staff could tell peaple when the Yauth teams were
scheduled to play on a field; and sinoe it was a public park, the field was
then available on a first vane/first serv�e basis.
Mr. Kirk stated that in the last couple of years, tl�ere have been a lot of
adult leagues and a lot of teams that have been forming• Iast yeax', theY receiv�d
a call fran two c]ifferent Fridley car�anies, �C and Medtronic, who had Fridley
o�anY teams and wanted a plaae to play soccer. Staff had no problem with that,
but the first priority was still to the FYSA• Aft�er the FYSA Put tage� i�s
schedule for the field, they w�ere able to ac�o�►�c�odat�e the �1"iC and Medtronic te-am� •
Mr. Kirk state d this year the City has been inundated with calls. The City of
Blaine has been redoing sare fields and so those fields are unavailable• In
addition to the FMC and Medtronic teams, he has taken four calls, and Mr. DeGardner
has taken five calls fran tea� wanting to use the Fridley socoer facility. He
stated sare of the teams ap�'ent1Y oanta°� �e �� ��tly' and, for whatever
reaso�n, the socoer field coordinator, John �ti-n, told these teams he did ryot
see a problem and that the teatt� could use the field. Apparently, Mr• Cizrtin
felt if sareone c.a]-led and wanted t° kn°�^� the availability of a field, if the
FYSA was not using it, l�e would t�ell the team they could use the field. So, that
team then coiuzted on the field as if it was reserved for the�n. How�evez', that
became a problem because oazP�onday nights they had three tea� all scheduled at the
Same time on the same field. One team had gane directly to Nir'• Curtin �o S�-d
they oould have the field. Z�ro teams had come ciirectly to the City �e er�e�a d
that as long as theY did not schedule their games on the san�e ni9h . Y
share the field. �tao of the teams are FridleY oa�a�u�s � and staff felt those
teams definitly should have priority over a team that was based out of Brooklyn
Center. Staff oontacted Br'oaklYn Centex'� and the City of Bz�oalclyn Center was
willing to assist that team in tryi.n9 to find a field. So, to his kndwledge.
that particul-az' Problem had been solved.
Mr. Kirk stated that in the last week, theY receiv�ed requests fram two teams--
Mike Paaalyszyn's team and Randy Kula's teanr—for th+e use of the soccer facility
at I�ocke Park on S�r►day ni9hts • He Stated the City c�oes not hav�e a set P� for adult
on who can use the fields and who cannot. They have never set up a policy
socoer such as reserving fields for teams with a certain rnamber of Fridley �esidents.
That was �e of the reasoa�s the requests were ccming to the Conmissian, because they
w�uld like to firr3 out more about the te�— where th�Y We�.'e fran, what other
catmunities have been oontacted, etc.
N�r..Kirk stated that Mr.Fawlyszyn stated in his April 27, 1988, letter to
gick DeGardner that m�st of the team m�bers were fran MinneaPolis. 2rir. Pawlyszyn
was the on1.y one fran Fridley.
Mr. Kirk stated Fridley has two �li�Ze �ddle School footbal.tl prkactioe area) •
one at the Fridley Middle Sc�ool ( eY ��r socoer P1aYers-'°�e at
Then, there are t�ao dvwn-size fields for the Y
C�� #3 �� an�e y�th football field at Car�mns PaY'k.
��y �� �n �e1�nq now are a little different
Mr. Kirk stated�th� ������� ��e �y are not strictly Fridley
than the r'eques
t�e.atns •
PARK.S & RF7CREATION CONiKISSICIJ N�TIlVG, MAY 2, 1988 PAGE 3
Randy Kula's tea� has about six Fridley peq�le, and the otliers ooR� fr�n other
oamnuiities . I�+�en Randy Kula talked to Jahn Ci�rtin about scheduling at Locke
Park, Mr. Ctiirtin told him the field was available and he would put them on the
schedule if they would help the FYSA with sare coac�ing.
Mr. Kirk stated that Blaine has a policy that 50$ of the team membess have to
either vaork or live iri Blai.ne and then they can be scheduled for a field.
Mr.Kirk stat,ed the City has reoeived a lot of calls from tean� wanting to play
socoer in the City of Fridley, but they hacve just told these tea� "no" because
these tea� have no oonnectian with the City of Fridley whatsoever.
Mr. Kirk stated he had ta]ked to John Curtin regarding the avai.lability of the
Locke Park field, and Sunday night was not a prable�n for scheduling. in�at the
Ca�missio�n had to coa�sider was that P�lr. Pawlyszyn's team was basically an outside
team, and Mr. Kula's team had about 1/3 of its m�mmbers fran Fridley. Do they,
in fact, want to reserve the field for these teams for this seas�n?
Ms. Schreiner stated they are really talking about needing a policy for future
years.
Mr. Gargaro asked if they could put together a policy that would fit all sports.
Mr. Kirk stated that prior to next year, they have to come up with some kind of
policy. He stated he and Mr. DeGardner have talked about it, and the fact that
with the limited nLm�ber of fields and the high maintenanc�e for socoer fields, it
beooc�s c�ostly to provide these facilities. Children do riot put as much wear �d
tear on a field as the adults do. They were talkinq in te�ms of next year of
having some kind of reservation fee. 4d�en the adult softball teams play in Fridley,
they pay $325 for a 14 game seasan. There are soccer teams playing in Fridley that
are basically paying for nothing, because there is n� policy.
r'1s. Schreiner asked if Nir. Kirk knew what other oamtauzities were charging for
use of fields,
Mr. Kirk stated that the City of Blaine cbesn't charge far the use of soocer
fields ric,�t naa. But, staff feels if a team has the exclusive right to a field,
maybe a srheduling fee per time might be reasanable.
Mr. Yowzg stated he did not think either P�edtronic or FMiC would object to paying
a fee for their teams to play in Fridley.
Mr. Pawlyszyn stated that as far as maintenance of the fields, they put the
chalk daan, they use their c�wn nets, they use their cx�m flags, and they set up
their aan officials. They just use the field.
Mr. Kirk stated the questiori th�e Catmi.ssion had to an.s�rer was did they, in fact,
a11vw tea� made up of partly Fridley resic3ents or one FYidley resident to reserve
t-he Locke Park soocer field for ho�ne games. That field was not being used on
Sunday ni.ghts for the FYSA games and was available for public use. In the past,
they have told teams that the field is available an S�uidays an a first-cat�e,
first-serve basis and that the field canrwt be scheduled. He realized that was
difficult far a team that was in a league. �
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PARKS & RDC�ATION CCINMISSICi�1 N�TING, MAY 2, 1988 PAGE 4
Mr. Allen stated the Camu.ssi� was going to have to make sare kind of decision
on these t�ro requests at this time, but then they needed to definitely set up a
policy for next year.
Mr. Gargaro asked if it was possible for the tw� leagues to sc�edule their games
oai Sunday night, but make one game at 4:00-4:30 p.m. and the second game at
6:30-7:00. That would still c,�et the seo�nd game o�ver before it was veYy dark•
Mr. Pawlyszyn asked if both the Lo�'xe pa�'k field and the Camens Park field w�ere
available on Stiinday evenin9s -
Mr. Kirk stated they knaa the I,�ke Park fieletland couldlnpt19uarantee that the
Mr. Curtin has not ooR�leted the scheduling y
Gac�ro�s field would be available on Sunday nic�ts -
Dir. Young asked if the t�ro soc�c�er divisia�s could work sanething out as far as
s���g �eir games an the I,ocke Park field but on alternate Sunday nights.
Mr. Kirk stated that in the past staff has taken the aPP�� �at if a t.eam like
Mr. Pawlyszyn's approached the City and the team had only one team m��ber who was
a Fridley resident, that team wwld be told that the field was not available.
i�e stated there has been sane �nfusion in this case because Mr. Pawlyszyn's
�� �t �� f�ith to Mr, Curtin who did tell them the field was available.
Mr. Kirk stated he thouc,�t if the two teams vaere willing to work out the coaiflict-
ing dates for this year on1Y. with n° 9uarante�s for an�ther year, then the
C�nission c�ould apProv�e th� use of the Locke Park soccer field for this year-
Then, before the next season. the �.am�issioa� and the Recreation Departmer�t will
fornnilate a policy. If any other teams oare to the City, staff will ask for a
written request. If there was a field available, they can take the sa¢ne approach
as they have for DSr. Kula and Mr. Pawlyszyn. Haaever, at this late date, he did
not expect ariy m�re te� t� �°O�n9 tO � Cl�' �king for a field.
Ms, Schreiner asked if they should charge these tea� a fee for the usac�e of the
field.
�, Ki.r]c statsd that sinoe they have not charged the ot�er t� f� � at this
time it w�uld be difficult to institute a fee. Staff w�ould certainlY studY this
carefully and oan�e back with a reoo�mendatian for next year.
Nf��ON by Dir. Gargaro, seoonded by Mr. YoLmg, to allow Mr. Kula's team and
�,. P�l��, S�� ��e � Loc,ke park soc-.oer field with no fee on Sunday
nights oontingent upon the follvwing oonditions:
1. Both tea� schedule schedule their a��asaacie nic�t; o�t t�s
(4 : 30 & 7:00 p.m. ) if both t��s P Y
2. Both teanu sc�edule games on different S�inday nic�ts.
3. �� ��re rESponsible for their vwn field maint�enance►
marking, officials, and cleairup, and that theY sign �ntracts
� with the Recreatian Department agreeing to this.
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PARK.S & RDCREATI�1 CUNT4ISSION NN�ErING, MAY 2, 1988 PAGE 5
Mr. Paaalyszyn stated he was agreer-�ble to this reoo�miendation by the CoRmissian.
Mr. Allen stated if the FYSA prog�am does not use the Crnnnns Park field on
Sunday ni�t, he w�ould like to see it available for the general public.
Mr. Gargaro asked about beam ir�suranoe.
Mr. Pawlyszyn stated they had insuranoe caverage thraugh the league.
Mr. Kirk stated he would like to see a oopy of the ;n�urance poli.cy, He stated
both teams w�ere respo�nsible for w�orking out the schedules and he would like to
see a schedule fran both teams .
UPON A VOICE Vl7rE, AI�L WTING AYE, VICE-{�iAIRPF�RSON SCHREINF.R DDC�,U Tf�
NSO►rION CARRIID UNAN12d0i7SLY.
Mr. Pawlyszyn stat�ed he really appreciated the Conmission's help.
Mr. Kirk stated staff w�uld put together a preliminary proposal on a policy for
Cannission discussion before the next soccer season.
2. STAF�' REPORT:
a. S�rinc�rnok Dedicati� Cereniany at Picnic in the Park - May 30
Mr. Kirk stated there will be a dedicatiori cereznony for the reopening of
Spri.nc�rook Nature Center after the tornado restaratian and the flood
control projects that have been under way this past winter. H�e stated the
City Band will play fran 12:00 - 1:00 p.m. with the ceretrony beqinning at
1:00 p.m. I� stated if the Cannissian members had not yet bee,n out on the
new trai.l system, it was very nioe and he would encourage them to cane out
and Part'-icipate in the picnic in the park oaz bfay 30.
b. Flanery Park - polioe Request
Mr. Kirk stated there have been sare neighborhood ccxnplaints oaz McKinley
Street regarding parti.es at a particular house. T�e neic��bOrs have had
sare meetings with Councilire�nbers .�e thing that came out at one of th�e
neighborhoa3 meetings was that when the parties get too loud or they are
asked to quiet dawn, the party shifts to Flanexy Park �ere it is fairly
_ secluded and sa�what difficult far the Polioe to apprehend anybody,
Mr. Kirk stat�ed the Polioe Departznent has requested if it would be possible
to leave the t.ennis �urt lights and passibly ane of the hockey lights �
from 1:00 - 2:00 a.m. to help diso�urage the partying in FlaneYy Park.
Mr. Kirk stated it was staff's respon,se that if the PoliQe v�uld cantact the
peoPle inmediately around the parlc to notify them about what is going on and
the reas� for the lights being on, staff would not have a problem with it.
P�1RKS & itDCREATICN CCl�T2ISSI0N MEETING, MAY 2, 1988 PA(� 6
Mr. Gargaro stated he would be ooriverned about the lic,�ts - affecting anyone's
sleep. Would they be making the prablem worse by having the tennis court
lic�ts � and theri peq�le wantin9 � P�Y ��5 �� 1 1:00-2 : 00 in the
marning?
Mr, Kirk stat�ed that was sarething he had told the Polioe--that when a tennis
oourt is lit, peaple are going to think theY can Play tennis. It would be
pretty difficult to tell someat�e who wants to play tennis that the lights are
just an to prevent partying in the park.
Mr. Gargaro stated that as long as the Police Department talks to the neighUors
and gets the o.k. fram tl�ee neighborhood� then h� �id not feel the Catmissio�
oould object to the Polioe Depart�rent's request. Fiaw�ever, he did not think
the lic�ts w�ere going to solve the problem.
Ms. Schreiner stated she w�ould also be canoerned about tennis playing at night.
Then, there mic,�t be m4re ooctQlaints fran the neighbors . Slhe t,houc�t the
P�ble�n should be talcen care of at �e house where the partying is going on.
Mr. Kirk stated the polioe will have to m�nitar this and if people are playing
tennis late at nic,�t, the polioe will have to make alternate arran9ements•
Mr. Allen stated he v�uld agree that the police have to manitor the situatian.
H�e did not know hc�w the polioe were going to control the tennis playing at
ni�t when the lic�ts are on. He knew if he saw a tennis oourt with lights
on at night, he would want to play.
2. L�,W BUSIl�IESS:
a. Northeast Cha�+aber Ordiestra Request
Mi0►TION by Mr. Gargaro, secorxied by Mr. Allen, to apprave the 1989 funding
request by the Northeast ChamUer Orchestra for five concexts maxim�ml at
$150/ooncert.
UPON A VOICE W�I'E, ALL VCyI'ING AYE, VICFr-CHAIRPER-SOr1 SCHREIlZER DF7CLA� Tf�
MiOTION CARRIID UNANIl�xXJSLY.
b. Park Tour'
'. Zhe Cacmissioa�ers agreed to have a tour of Sprinc,�rodc Nature Center at
6:00 p.m. an June 6. The meeting would then be held at 7:00 p.m. after the
tour at Springbx�ooic Nature Center.
c. Meadvwlands Park - Moclel Airpl.ane Flying
Mr. Yoimg stat�ed that apparently Meadawlanc3s Park is used fairly frequently
� S�.inday afternoons for flying gas model a;�lanes and helicapters. iie
•w�onc�ered if there was any kind of ordinanoe against somethirxJ like this;
and if not, if the City had received any oarplaints about the noise.
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Mr. Kirk stated there was nothing in the ordi.nanoe that va�uld directly
relate to this ki.nd of situation, other than the fact that the City does
hav�e a n4ise ordinanoe. He stated the City has not reoeived any oanplaints
from any of the ne.ic,�Uors. �
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MOT2�1 by Mr. Allen, seconded by Mr. Young, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a
vo cei wte, all wting aye, Vice-Ctiaixpersori Schreiner declared the May 2, 1988,
Par'ks & Recreation Cannission meeting adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
Respectfully subanitted,
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CITY OF FRTDT•�
i�lUMAN �saJF�CES CX1MKiSSIO1V r�E,TnVG, Ng1Y 5, 19 8 8
CALL TO OI7DER•
Cha.irpersoai Sherek called the May 5, 1988, H�ian Resouroes Co�nission meeting
to orc3er at 7:38 p.m.
liDLL CAI.S.�:
Members Present: Sue Sherek, Paul Westby, Frar�is van Dan, Stiisan Jackson
Members Absent: Claudia Dodge
Others Present: Samantha Orduno, Management �lssistant
APPRWAL OF APRII, 7, 1988, HtIl�lAN RE90Ul�ES QpNN1ISSICN MII�UTES:
MOTION by Mr. Wrestby, seoondecl by Mr. van Dan, tA approve the April 7, 1988,
Ht�nan Resouroes Coamissiari mi.nutes as wri.tt�en.
UPON A VOICE Vl7!'E, AI�L V�ING AYE, CF�fIRPF�iSON Si�EK DF7CL,�},2ID THE MOTION
CARRIID TJ1�IANIlMCXJSLY.
1. ELDC,�ION OF VICE-CE�IgpEEi.�ONc ;
Ms. Sherek stated that since Ms. Dodge, the current Vice-Chairperson, was not
at the meeting, the election for vioe-ciiairpexson should be oontinued until
a meeting �en there was a full oanmissian.
MO►TION by Mr. van Dan, seoonded by Mr. Westby, to co�tinue the election of
vioe-c�airperson until a future meeti.ng when there was a full oonmissioai.
UPON A VOICE VCmE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHF12RpERSCi�T SHERIIC DDCLA� Tf� N�DTION
CARRIID IJ1�,NIl�IOUSI,Y .
2. OLD &JSINESS:
a. Consideration of No--Fault Grievance Coam�i.ttee Traini.ng pppartuniti,es
Ms. Qrduno stated that included in the agenda packet was a news release
announcing the tra�ning session oonducted by the Nlinnesota Department of
H�z Ric�ts on Saturday, May 11, at Fdina City Hall, and askir�g for
wltmteers whp mic�t be interested in bevcming oertified in No-Fault
CYievanve Prooedures.
Ms. Orduno stated this would be published in the paper the follawing
w�eek.
N'1�• Or'dia� stated that if the Qamtassion members had any friends or knc�a
of anyone who mic�t be interested to let them knaa about this trai.ning.
'Ihe iror+e oontacts that are made, the better chanve they have of gettirig
P�P1e who are interested in taking the training.
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b. Oa�sideration of 1988-1989 Workp].an
I�is. Sherek stated the �nmission had reveived the revised workplan, and
she thought it was ready to be passed � tA City Council.
MmION by Mr. Westby, seoazded by Ms. Jackson, to approve the 1988-1989
Hunan Aesouroes Oatmission workplan and send it on to City Oc�uncil for
their oa�sic3erati� and approval.
c�aN A wzcE vo�, � w►rnsc �, a��sc� s�c �c�D � r�►rzav
c,�t�m u�,t�tn�isr� .
3. I�W BLI5INF5S :
a. �nsideration of Applications for 1988 CLBG �nds for Hum�n Service
Organizations
Nis. Shexek stated that at this meeting, the �miissiari rauuld review the grant
a�plications a�d formulate questians tA be asked of the organizatiais. �hen,
� May 19, 1988, they would have a special meeting at which time each organi-
zation w�uld be given 15 minutes--10 minutes to specifically answer the
questiar�s asked by the Cbmnission and 5 minutes to giv�e any addi.tianal infor-
matioal that nught be helpful to the O�tnission in their c3ecision-making
prooess. At their rernilar meeting ai Jtme 1, the Ccnmdssion would make their
final reoamendatior�s t�o the City Cauncil.
Southern Anoka Oara�cw�itY Assistance ( am�luYt re9uest,ed -$5 , 000 )
7.he �missioners fonrnil.ated the following questi�s s
l. Is it true that bulk fooc7s are beinq repackag�d? Have you been oontacted
about the oo�mrodity foods in that regard? If you have been repackaging
nonoanmdity foods, cb you have a lioensed oa�mercial kitchen in whic-h to
d� it?
2. Of the appro�d.m3tely 3, 000 �idley residents served, hcyw many were
�duplicated? Haa many peaple listed as being sezved reoeived only
fuel assistance and/or holiday baskets, children's gifts, etc.? Haw
cb you keep track of the n�ers?
3. Ha�e you been ao�auiicating with St. Willia¢ns ar other food sY�elves about
possible abusers?
4. What ather funding sauroes have been souc�t in the past 36 moa�ths? Do
you belong to the Food B�nk Network? Besides R�semary BYrnes. what other
ocig�ing paid or wlunteer staf€ dp you have?
QZUrdl of St Willi�n (Food.she]..f) -(Annunt rec�yested -$1, 000)
�e OoRmissio�ers fornailated the follaairig questions :
1. Need budget infornnation for the food shelf aperation alone. The dzurch
budget was not real helpful.
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2. Need a little more infonnatirn cn whether you havie vontacted other
dzurdzes for assistanoe. Tn�at kind of oocitact have yau made? Have you
reoeived ariy response?
3. How � financial support are you reoeiving fran the parish? What ather
sa�rces of funcing are being activ�ely sought? Do yau bel�g to the Fbod
Bank Network?
4. How many unduplicated clients and how many total clients have been sexved
in the last 12 manths? Do yau ooa�na�icat,e with SACA and,/or other food
shelves about possible abuses?
5. What kind of foods do y� plan t� buy?. Is any�ne doing ar�'thin9 tA
educate the pevple using the food shelves about nutrition and haw to
buy foods?
Ms. Sherek stated she had a hard time calling it abuse if a family has to
oane to the food shelf cnoe in a�ahile because of ].i�ted funds, but when a
faanily or people have t,� aane to the food shelves repeatedly, then they need
other ki.nds of help. Zhe question that starts ooming up is whether there is
a�ole culture growing ��„�ith the idea that the food shelf is there so
the�' d° not have to 90 thivugh the bureaucratic red tape of getting food
stanps , etc.
Mr. Westby stated he w�u1d like to see scme education on haa to buy foods.
For exanPl,e, buying beans and grains in bulk is much cheaper than buYing
provessed foods Qr red meat, ar�d beans and grains pravicle the needed protein.
M5. Sherek stated the Sabathani �ity Center in Minnea�olis does provid�e
education throuc� peer s�port groups .
Nfi • Sherek stated that working on sanething ].i]ce this with the food shelves
might be an appropriate focus for the Cc�nission. Maybe they oould get
sa� information th�it Mrs. Wa].ker at Sabathani is using and then possibly
get a group started`at SACA.
M5. Jackson stated maybe the O�nnissio� o�uld indicate to the food shelves
that in the future.grants that have educati�al oo�onents w�uld be looked
at irore favorably far funding than food shelves that c3o nat.
Ni�. Sherek stated that this year when they talk t�o the food shelves, the
Qarmission shouLd 3efinitely make the poirit that the Carmission realizes the
food shelv�s are working in crisis situ,ations, but that sare of these peq�le
��Y�d ��q in a one-time crisis. Zhese people are in perenni.al crisis,
and it requires sare edur.aticn to qet them aut of that situation.
Ni�. Sherek stated that before the end of the meeting, they shou].d qo ba�k
tA the workplan ar�d include soirethinq in the work plan regarding nutritiari
educatiori for food shelf recipients.
HLi�1N RE50tTR�'�S Q'�'A�SSICIN NEETING, N�,Y 5, 1988 PA(� 5
AssoGiatioaz for Reta.rded Citizens (aarount requested -$3,150)
Ms. Sherek stated ARC reoently established a tay lending library for
c7evelopmentally delayed ci�ildren. Zhey are aski� for fundirYg to ooritinu�e
the ]ibrary. �eir total b�dget was $12, 000 so they w�ere asking for CL�BG
funding for roughly ],/4 of the total budget. She thought the oost per
person see�d sa�at high. Ac�rding to their nimi�ers, Fridley dlildren
represent Less than 20� of the cfiildren served, and they are asking for
25� of their total budget including inkind funding from the City of Fridley.
At 122 dzildren senr�d at an annual oost of $12,000 plus about $100 per child
served far the t�y lending librazy, that seemed rather high.
Zhe Cannissioners fornoulated the follvwing' questions :
l. Oancern about budget. Zhe �st per persan served see� san�what high.
Insuranoe for Zby Lending Libraxy seems high. What is being insured?
C7alcern about the peroentage of the budget that is directed for t.ays.
2. Where are you in tenns of readling a tatal rnarber of tays? Are you
still building yvur inventoYy? When do you expect the $1,500 budget
item for toys to be reduved?
3. 4�at other non-blodc grant/norroounty fund.s have been souc�t? Vd�at
inki.nd donations fran manufacturers and retailers have been saught?
4. How loaig does the av�erac�e tay last? -
Alexandra House (atmunt requested - $3,500)
Ms. Sherek stated the aperating budget had nat been attadzed to the funcling
request. 71ze Qomnissian neec]ed t�c> see that budc�et. She stated it appeared
that in relatica� t�o the total operating budget, the aimtmt being requ�ested
was very small. She was not sure how the CXxrmissicn should be making the
oo�arisoai. S�hould they be oanparing it to all of Alexandra House's sexvices
or should they be a�¢rparing it t�o the n�nber af Fridley residents not eligible
for AFDC, Since it �s. Alexindra House's premise to use the mc�ney t�o house
residents whr� are nat eligible, given thea.r figures .( 30 sheltered from
Fridley� and they are sayir�g oQily 20-25� of their population is abwe the
cutoff far AF'DC fundir�g, that mear�s maybe 7-8 peaple fran Fridley are served
in their shelter for whan they cb not reoeive any assistanoe funds. If
that is what they are c�aring it to, she had a prablem with it. If, on
the other h�r�d, they aYe measuring it against the total sezvices the shelter
provides (telephoc�e, hot line, polive offioer training, advocacy, public
speaking, etc.), then she did not have a prablem with it. She wondered if
there was a way t�o quantify the other things, r�at neoessarily in terms of
Fridley alone, but averall, as fio haw many people they were serving.
i�. Sherek stated w�en they reveive the budget, they will be able to see
what other r�rrAFDC and ather block grant funds they hav�e solicited or
reoeived in the last few years.
�e Oar¢nissio�ers forn�ulated the follvwing questions :
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1. Requ�est operating budget (buc�get was mt attached) .
2. Iiave you deve]�ed a way to quantify the kin�3s of servioes you pravic3e
(i. e. , hat ].ine, o�unseling, echication) in tex� of total rnmi�ers
served and also rnmi�er of Fridley residents served? tn&�at is the total
ntarber of Fridley residents who reveive servioes other than use of the
shelter?
3. Vd�at hap�ens if you are nat futx3ed?
4. How many days/nights can a wanan anc�/or dzildren stay at the shelter?
What is the average length of stay?
Anoka O�imty CAP - Seniar Outreaci� Program (aQmtmt requested -$7,093)
�e Oarmissi�ers foxnailated the following questions :
1. In past years, the Oamtassion has been provided with the nu�er of
p�ople who are being served, duplicated n�ers and tmduplicated
rnunbers. What are those figures for this year?
2. T�at is the Seniar Outreach Wo�rker's work schedule?
3. Because of the shaky nature of C�BG fwx3s, have you lo�lced at alternate
souroes of any kind?
4. Specifically, haa is this servioe being voordinated with the Senior
Citizen Uenter, Befrienders, and ather activities at the Senior Citizen
detiter?
Fridley Senior Citizen Center (azrount requested -$2,000)
Ms. Sherek stated she did �t iuiderst.and the �urpose behind what ti�e Fridley
Senior Center was cbing. SY�e did unc3erstaryd the idea of the refrigerator
magr�ets to make the telephone nw�nbex available, but she did not underst.and
the rest of the funcling request.
Ms. St�erek stated the Co�nrnu�ity Fducatiari Center already provides the
�rnmity education bulletins dsscribing activities, �urses, and haurs for
the Seni.or Center, and she did not understand the purpose of doing that again
in a brochure. How were they going to diss�ninate the broc3�iure?
The CoRmissioa�ers questianed the use of a magnet and thaught a sticker might
be mc�re practical and would be cheaper. The sticker oould be put ric�t on
the telephoae. � �
The CoRmi.ssioners fo�ulatad the following questions:
1. �at purpose will this brochure senre that is not already sen�ed bY the
Camnu�ity Education brochux�e and haa will the brochure be distributed?
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2. How are the refrigeratar magnets and the jar grippers being distribut�ed,
and how will they reach the peaple who are not participants of the
Fridley Seniar Cent�er?
3. Couldn't a sticker�to be put on the telephane be as effective and maybe
m�re practical than the refrigerator magnets? It w�ould also be cheaper.
North Suburban Center for the Arts (aarount requested -$2,500)
The CaYmissioners formulated the following questions:
1. How �ch do the participants gay for the classes? Could the classes be
made larger in size to make the classes m�re econanically feasible?
2. Have you sought other alternative ftmding?
3. iiow is the fee set? I�ow does the fee diarged at the Senior Citizen Center
oo�pare with the �parable class at Narth Subu�an Cent,er for the Arts?
Mr. Westby stated he would like to sugc�est to North S�aburban Center for the
Arts that they put together a package where it wauld be cheaper for people
to take a nim�ber of classes than it would be to take individual classes.
Thi.s wauld enoourage peaple to take a lot of classes as op�osed to only
taking �1-2 individual classes. This would also support the whole program as
o�pos�d to 1-2 programs.
Central Center for Family Resourves (�t requested -$5,000)
The Conmissi� had the follvwing question for Central Center:
1. H�ow do your servioes vc�ar.�e with the servioes pravided by Family Life
l�I�ental Health Center and North S�burban Cotmseling Center?
Family Life Mental Health Center (amotmt requested -$5,000)
The Camtissi�ers fo.rmulated the follvwing questions:
l. Hvw do your servioes carQare with the services p�+ovided by Central Center
for Family Resourc�es and North Suburban Counseling Center?
2. inhat are the extent of services you provide? In other words, what are
the typical nianber of visits or how do yau measure the servioes per client?
3. Vd�en you run out of or are about to run out of C�BG funds or other
misoellaneous funds, haa do yo�u treat clients who cannot pay? Do you
oontinue to see these clients? Do you oontinue to acoept additional
clients or intake clients who cannot pay?
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North Stiiburban Co�.seling Center (a¢ro�t requ�ested -$6 , 000 )
The Caanissioriexs fo�aul.ated the follvwing questions :
l. Haw c% yaur services oarQare with the servives pravided by Central Center
for Famnily ibesourves and Fa¢nily Life Mental Health Center?
2. 4d�en you run out of or are about to run out of CDBG funds or other
miscellaneous funds, haa do you treat clients who cannot pay? Do you
oontinue t�o see these clients? Do you oontinue to accept additianal
clients or intake clients who cannot pay?
4. 1988-1989 V�RIQ�LAN REVISIQN:
The Gannissioners formulated the follawing goal under "Hiunan Servic�e Needs":
G�oal: To ensure nutrition educatian far food shelf recipients.
Gbjectiv�es: To get infornnati� on faod shelves.
7.b enaUle recipients to make better use of their resources and
to reduce their relianoe an food shelves.
p,�ctions; To ooa�tact Sal�athani CannuLity Center and Fridley food shelves and
arrange meeting.
To pravide for printing facilities to print recipes and instructians
within the City of Fridley or the Fridley Ca►trninity Center.
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Ni0►rION by Mr. Westby, seoonded by Mr. van Dan, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a
voio wte, all wt;* � aye, Chairperso� Sherek declared the May 5, 1988, Htmiari
Reson�roes Cocrmissi� meeting adjourned at 9:28 p.m.
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HC7USII�]G & REDEVIIAPMENP AU'iHORITY NIIIV[J'1'FS, N�Y 12, 1988
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Chairperson Co�ners calle� the May 12, 1988, Housing & Redevelopment
Authority meeting to order alt 7:05 p.m.
ROLL C�LL:
Menl�ers Present: Larry CLzr[riers, Virginia Schnabel, Duane Prairie
John Meyen
M�nbers Absent: Walter RaS[nussen
Others Present: Jock R.obe�tson, �ecutive Director of HRA
Rick Pri.b�rl, City Finance Director
Julie Burt, Asst. Finance Officer
Uave Ne�nan, HRA Attorney
Lou & Jun� Lundgren, 343 Kellogg Blvd., St. Faul
Alan Raus�, 1786 H�pin Ave. So.
Steve Boe�boon. Kraus-Anderson
Jim Pouza.�. Kraus-Anderson
APPROVAL OF APRIL 14, 1988, II-iOUSIIVG & REDEVEL,OPN�TP AtTI'HpRI'Iy N�IVUTFS;
�ION bY Ms• Schnabel. nded by Mr. Prairie, to approve the April 14,
1988, Housing & Redevela�it Autlwrity minutes as written.
UR�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIII�G AYE, Q�AIlZP�SON Q�NA�A'�F2S DEQ�ARID THE N1(JTION
C�RRIED UNANIlKJL7SI,Y.
1. INFt�RMATION ON LOU LUI�IDGRII�I � S PROF�SAL ;
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Mr. Lundgren statec� that at the meeting he had handed out a Progress Report
an t-he Fridley Pla�.:: Apartrn��ts dated May 12, 1988. He stated that since
the April 14th H,.:": meeting, he and his consultants met with the
Kraus-Anderson people. Krar�s-Anc7,erson has taken sub-bids on all the items
of constsuction. Kraus-Anc�xson is prepared to enter into a firm contract
with Fridley Plaza Associ�ates and himself subj ec t only to the f inal
fin�sicing which will be thel intitial �dors�nent of the mortgage.
Mr. Lundgren stated Kraus-Anderson was capa.ble and prepared to furnish a
perforniance and c�letion ]pond for 100� of the constructio� cost. The bond
is issued by the St. Paul Companies. Kraus-Anderson has the crews,
equipment, and construction management skills to complete the project
expeditiausly in accordance!with the plans and specifications. Costs have
been allocated separately fpr the g�rking ramp, slwuld it be required.
Mr. Lundgren stated the update of the Maxfield Research Group Study of the
Rental Market Trends in th� Fridley area was completed and delivered on
Manday, May 9, to Terry Chunrala, CS�ief Underwriter of Centennial Mortgage
Co. A copy was given to �.he HRA consultant, Jim Casserly, and to Jock
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RaUertson. This report shows a continued strong market for the proposed
proj ect.
N�. Lundgren stated that cn Monday, May 9, he met with Mr. Johnson and Mr.
Paul Bakken of the finn of Johnson and Liedl Appraisal of Hopkins to visit
the site and meet with Jock RcaUertson. This appraisal fi�n was retained by
Centenriial Mortgage Co. and their report is due soon.
Mr. Lundgren stated a meeting with Mr. Robertson and staff originally
scheduled for May 2 was postponed to May 10 because the Nk�field update was
nQt cattpleted by May 2.
Mr. Lundgren stated that on Tuesday, he and representatives of
Kraus-Anderson met with Paul Arnf el t, President of Lif e Style, Inc., a
managanent can�aany; 'Perry Chuvala, Chief Unclerwriter of CenteruLial Mortgage;
and Lazlo Korbula, AIA, of t11e firm of Korbuly/Graf of South Bend, Indiana.
Mr. Lundgren stated that � May 10 at 1:00 p.m., a meeting was held at the
FYidley Civic Center attended by the following persons: Jock Robertson;
Uavid Newn�an; Jim Casserly; Terry Chuvala; Laszlo Korbula; Paul Arnfelt;
RaUert Silvern�azl, Attorney at Dorsey & Whitney, representing Mr. Lundgren;
and Mr. Lundgren. At that meeting, N�. Chuvala gave a progress report to
staff and indicated that, assuning the rgnaining itans such as the appraisal
ccine in o¢� time, they were about three weeks away from commitment. He
explained they were able and willing to nnrtgage a building on air rights
and they were pursuing that direction. He also indicated he may be able to
pn�vide an aption which woi.Lld n�ot require that much HRA participation and he
is also pursuing that option.
Mr. Lundgren stated there are still scme loose itans yet to be resolved, but
they were sti.11 ca� schedule with total activities. They hope and expect to
cclne back the first week in June with a ccamitment.
Mr. Lundgren introduced Steve Boerboon and Jim Pouzar from Kraus-Anderson.
He stated both gentlemen were very caFable in the field and were willing to
answer any questions the HRA might have about their canpany. He stated he
was ve�y pleased to have than on the team. Kraus-Anderson was a f irst rate
organizatio�, and he has worked with than as long as 25 years ago.
Mr. Ne�wman stated that if Mr. Lundgren had final construction estimates fran
Kraus-Anderson, he would appreciate it if Mr. Lundgren would provide that
inforn�ation to both Jock Rcabertson and himselt.
Mr. Lundgren stated the way the bids are taken and the way HUD makes them
divide the bids are two different things. They are in the process now of
putting the numbers on the HUD forms. He stated they still have some
bookwork to c3o, but he would provide Mr. Rc�bertson with that information.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Lundgren when he expected construction to begin and
what was the estimated canpletion date.
N�. Lundgren stated constructio� would begin when the financing was in place
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and si�ed. The site was ready, the contractor was ready, and the subs were
ready. Zi�y have do�e a lot of w�rk in the last few wee}cs. He stated they
have a ocmpletion date of 12 moa�ths which is tight, but c�oable.
Ms. Schnabel stated that on the market studies, had there been any
disce.rnable changes as far as the rent structure?
N�. Lundgren stated the rent structure was pretty much carif i� at what Mr.
Maxfield had projected 1 and 1/2 years ago for 1988-89. This particular
market is still a vexy strong market.
Mr. Newman stated staff still needs to receive a number of items of
inforn�atian frcm Centennial Mortgage before they can start drafting the
development agreement. The meeting on Tuesday, May 10, was very
encouraging. Centennial is looking at sare options which will make for a
cle.aner �peration. Until Centennial completes the underwriting process,
they will not know for sure how to approach this and the level of HRA
assistance that will be necessazy. They have stressed to CentenrLial that it
was imperative there be a final camutznent before the r�ext HRA meeting, and
Centeruiial seaned to feel ccmfortable with that timetable.
Mr. N�n stated that fran a procec�ural stancipoint, he would envision that
staff will ccme to the HI�A at the next meeting with, hopefully, at least, a
general concept of haw they should approach this. They might need to ask
the HRA to schedule a special meeting in late J�e to act c�n the develai�nent
agreanent before the letter of credit expires cm June 28, 1988.
Mr. Robertson stated that in the first round of this analy sis of the
firr3ricial structure, the I�2A authorized staff to abtain the services of Jim
Casserly to review the draft pro formas. In the HRA informa.tion packet
received at the meeting, the HI�A had a capy of a letter from Jim Casserly
which was requested by Mr. Newman and himself, along with some background
inforniatiarz o� Mr. C�sserl�. Staff was recommending the HRP. continue to
retain Mr. C�asserly through the process of analyzing the final financial
structure of this project. Both he and Mr. Newman had concluded that this
was pr�x�bly the most ccmplex project the HR.A has yet undertaken and they
want to be vexy careful to caver all the bases.
Mr. R,abertson stated that in Mr. Casserly's letter, he stated that it will
t�ce between 15-20 hours to ca�lete the total project analysis.
Mr. N�wtnan stated that even though the HRA does not knaw what the direct
assistance is going to be tc� Mr. Lundgren, the HRA will be incurring other
costs--cuie being the cost of acquiring the site. N�'. C�asserly has access to
certain resources to da the fir,ancial evaluation and to provide the I�2A with
a very thorough analysis of what they are getting into as the project
progresses.
Mr. N�wmari stated once they have a better handle an what type of assistance
is being reqwested, they will also involve Jim O'rleara. They have some
bonds that were in place 2 1/2 years agc�, and they want to make sure there
are mt going to be any adverse tax conseque�es arl tlwse bonds.
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HWSIl�TG &�tEDEVk�OP�Tr ALTI'HpR2TY MEETIl�, 1�1Y 12, 1988
I�. Meyer stated he thought t,hat somewhere along the line they want an
architect/engirieer a�ntrolling this project. In his apini�, a oonstruction
mar�ager is j ust a"glarif ied clerk" in the f irst place and �ot be al lowed
to supplemesit the sezvices of tlze professioa�al.
1�. R,obertson stated he would like to research this in mr�re detail and get a
detailed e�lanati� to the questions raised by Mr. Meyer.
Ms. Schnabel stated she did not question the sta.ff's best interest in their
integrity and their e.xpertise, but was it ccmron for a body like the HRA to
give someone $1 million to build a parking ramp without having seen a
drawing, without having talked to an architectural engineer or a
constructian mar�agenent team? She was j ust wondering if they were doing
this ri�t, and she felt vexy uncanfortable with the situation.
Mr. Rabertson stated he wanted to mak,e sure the HI�A understood that he was
n�ot recarmending that. He was recommending that the HRA go through the
review of the detailed plans, schedules, specs, and budget as a Board before
theY approve anything. Only after they have apprwed all of the above would
they decide on what to do on a monthly basis in terms of contract
n�anag�nent.
Mr. Meyer stated Ms. Schnabel had brought up an interesting point. He
stated the HRA has ryever been asked to sit in on any planrLing sessions with
staff or anyo�e else. Z7�ey have never been asked to aid in the selection of
an architect/engineer, never been asked whether or not they wanted a
construction m-u�ager. All of these things were told to them, and that was
vexy upsetting to h�m. 'Ib answer Ms. SchnaUel's question about whether it
was �usual for this to happen this way, he thought it was very �musual. A
question that shauld be asked of the City is: Were they going to use the
constructic,n mar�ager systan for the Public Works' city streets, sewer and
water projects in the future because it saves so muc.h city staff time?
Mr. Newm�n stated the reason this was brought up now was to get the HRA' s
reaction to the concept of how they might manage the contract. He felt
staff has gotten that reacticm by the ca�nents made by the HRA members at
this meeting. Staff lmaws the I�tA takes their responsi.bility vesy seriously
and that they are very concerned about their budget, and the staff feels
uncamfartable making decisicais for the HRA. That was why staff came up with
this different contract managanent approach. They are trying to do some
early planning no�a.
N�. C�xs stated that at this time, it was abvious to him that there was
erwugh lack of canfart in what was being proposed by staf f that the HRA
could not m-�ke a decison at this time.
Mr. Newman suggested they go with the mrn�al appraach, and once they get an
idea of what the specific oontract acnounts are going to be, the HRA can go
with a similas�type approach they used last year where the City Council, in
the interim, would have the authority to authorize change orders that do not
exceed certain amounts and then pravide the HRA with an update at the
follaving meeting.
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H�JSIlVG & REDEVIIAPN�Tr AU�IRITY N�,TIlVG, Ng1Y 12, 1988
MOTION by Mr. Prairie, seconc3ed by Mr. Meyer, to continue discussion � this
item until more informatioi� is pravided by staff with respect to the
manag�nent af the Civic Center garag+e proj ect.
tJR�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, ��.IlZPER.SC�I Q�NIl�RS DEQ�ARED THE MOTION
C�RRIED UNANIl�DUSLY. I
(, OC�TSIDERATION OF L�EASE P�R�!' WITH Q�LUNIBIA PARK Pf2UPERTIES FOR PARKING
WEST OF THE FRIDLEY PLAZA C3�IlJIC:
N�. N�wman stated if the HRA T+vas in aqreanent in concept with entering into
a Iease agreanent with Col�ia Park Properties for parking west of the
Qinic (as autlined in Mr. Rc�ertson' s memo dated May 6, agenda page 5),
staff would put together a lease for the HRA to review at their next
meeting.
Mr. �rs stated he would l'ke staff to review the terms of the option to
purchase and see how that wa structured and whether those ternls should
rsnain structured the same w
It was the concensus of the I�2A for staff to proceed in drafting up a lease
for HRA review.
7, STATUS REPpRT OF NSP t.]rIDER�'CR�ID PCJWEf2 LIl�.S AT I�P,KE POINTE :
Mr. Newman stated that at the last meeting, the HRA authorized the approval
of granting an easement for the NSP underground power at Lake Pointe,
subject to special legal cou.{isel approval. At this time, they have not
received any response fran hi�{. Haik.
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8. C;C,AIMS (1739-1750) ;
Mr. Pribyl stated the engineering staff had sulan.itted two itans for appraval
in additio� to the clain�s: (1) partial pa.yrrent to W. B. Miller, Inc. , for
re�ir wark to the Lake Poin�e development site; and (2) Estimate #1 to
Talberg Lawn & Landscape, Ina., for maintenance of Lake Pointe development
site.
MOTION by Mr. Prairie, seconded by Mr. Meyer, to apprwe the check register
as presented and to apprave a Fartial payment to W. B. rsiller, Inc., for
regair work to the Lake Point�e develapnent site in the amount of $4,000; and
to apprave Estimate #1 to Tal'berg Lawn & Landscape, Inc., for maintenance of
Lake Pointe develagn�nt site in the amount of $4,580.36.
UF�I A VOI� VO►PE, AL�L VOTING AYE, C�:fAIRPER90N CONY�RS DEQ�ARED THE NYJTION
(�RRIED UNANIl�DUSLY.
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N�7I'ION by I�. Prairie, seoonded by Ms. Schnabel , to adj ourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Ctxiirperson Catsners declared the May 12,
1988, Housing & Rec�velaFz�ent, Authority meeting adjourr�ed at 8:47 p.m.
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Fi�JSIlVG & REDEVEIAPMETTr AUPHpRITy N��IIVG, N�,Y 12, 1988
Respectfully
�z. x,c
Lynt� S�a
suYnutted,
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Recording Secretazy
QiSiL'
SPDCIAL HL�1►'J
FOR � PtJRP06E C1E' FIEA
FC)R 19 88- 89 C�BG F[ND
N�NBERS PRESII�'T: Sue Sherek,
NENBERS ABSIIVT: Paul Westby.
0►II�RS PF�ESII�1'T:
•• �. � • r ��
sill xunt, As
iaoc�er Blohm,
Jessie Elling
Jim Williams,
Barbara Ososk
Pat Si.bert, F
I�en�Y BYrn
CaruLie Zho�s
Elaine Vangex
Nancy Jorger�s
Pat Prinzeval
Pat Edstrom,
Rosat��e Fidle
R�bert Brick,
Lee Car'lsOn,
IuCy Mic,�anan,
Jacky F'z�entz ,
Ms. Sherek stated the puYpose
raised by the �a�m►ission and
o�utline of their progr�n.
North Suburban Qons�ner Adwc
Jessie Ellinywarth, Part�time
Mr. Blohm stated he believed the
sh�uld be granted tb NSCAH for t
of Fridley: (1) the handicappec
ac�nveniently; (2) �e business F
and, therefore, m�re profits frc
and Arnka �unty in beooming #1
neic�hba�rs.
�M•t��a��:i���
�OtJFt�S aDN�4ISSI�T NEETING
� ORAL PRESII�ATICNS BY APPLICANTS
FOR H[7N�N SERVIC�'S OR�ANIZATIONS
19, 1988
7:00 P.M.
Jackscn, F'rancis van Dan
�•..�
istant to the City Manager
.S.C.A.H.
�rth, N.S.C.A.H.
N. S. C. A.H.
, Church of St. Willi�nn
3e�rer I�utYyeran Qzurdz
5, S.A.C.A.
n, �idley Seniar Oenter
3, A.C.C.A.P.
1, A.GC.A.P.
�, Alexandra House
arth Suburban Center for the Arts
, North Suburban Center for the Arts
A. R. C.
entral Qenter for Fa¢nily l�esource.s
Eamily Life Mental Health Oenter
'�Vorth Suburban �unseling Qeriter
APPLICAN7.5 FUR 1988 C�HG FUND6:
this �eting was to get answers to questions
� to have the organizatiar�s briefly give an
for the Handicapped
.ve on the AnQka Area Oounsel for the
re were tw� c�ood reascns why the ironey requested
xlating the ac�oessibility booklet for the City
person will lax�w what plaves he/she can e�se
Laaes in Fridley can and will realize m�re sales
n the har�dicapped. �es� will assist bath Fridley
3s a plaae for livability for their handicapped
SPEQAL H[A�T PESOLT�S ��SSICN I�ETIlJG, N�1Y 19, 1988 PAC£ 2
1�. Ellinqwartti introduoed Jim Williams, �o was also a menber of their Board of
Directors.
Mr. Ellinyw�rth stated that �en they c3o this ProJect. if theY get the furxiing,
they cb nat expect to start over (reinvent the wheel). He has been in ocntact
with forn�er and present city staff who were inwlved with the original acoessi.bility
study.
Mr. Ellingworth statsd he wauld ac3ciress the questions asked by the xum�n Resouroes
�missian meeting.
1. Haw will you distribute the na�► aooess guide when it is finished?
Mr. Elli��gw�o�rth stated they are thinking of t�ao different thinqs here : (1) who
to clistxibute the bookl,et tc�; and (2) how they are g�ir�g to distribute the booklet.
He sta�ed they have oa�e up with a list of different ways to distribute the booklet.
They are haping to follaa up oaz the original survey that was d�ne for distribution
in the City; libraries, public and scYiool; ch�ches; medical clinics arcid Unity
Hospital; other par�professionals; A.C.C.A.P. autreach worker and 1 ibrary; civic
organizatiw�s; Senior Citize� Center; other news�etters and NSf�1H newsletter;
public media sudi as cable TV; di.sabled persons already identified; investigate
distribution through Identification Find; Oounty �¢nissioners geared towards
transportatioai; Qzamber of Oo�turnrce; nursing hosres; public services sudz as polioe
departzrnnt. C�s such as Soouting groups might help with distribution. Zhey
have to make deci.sions � whether the booklet would be hand delivered or mailed
and v�sts will have to be explared.
2. �e ariginal acoess guide was printed by Medtroriic �
at Medtroazic's facility. Have you c�ecked into the
servioes for printing at either local arganizations
to reduoe tY� ac�st?
t Niedtronic's expense and
possibility of in-kind
or quick print oanpanies
Mr. Ellingworth stated he has been in oocitact with Jan Schwartz fn�n Medtronic.
He explained to her that they might need additional furbdixig far the printing of
the bookl,et. Ms. Sc�wartz had said Medtrcnic might be abl,e to Yyelp but that
Medtronic is now gearing all their funding only to the elderly. He had explained
to her that 40-50$ of the elderly also have disabilities. �erefore, if they
apply to Medtronic for help, they will gear it towards the elderly, ar�d that this
bookl,et would also be of great ben�efit to the �idley elclesly.
lqr. Ella.ngwnrth s�ted they will aLso look at fiu�ding frcm other sourves,
especially those organizaticns �at helped f1u�d the printing of the original
boolclet, plus any othex inki.nd type prirYting they can find.
1�. Ellingwa�rth stated they hq�e to cut cbwn on sane of the prirrting oosts in
�e bu�et so they can cb sane additional things within the arcfani.zation. They
need sane other equipment vezy badly such as a word grooessor. Zhe moa�ey could
be used for ac�ninistrative oosts o� aperatirig funds, etc.
Mr. Blohm stated anather need was a telepho�e ans�wering r.�achine. The goal is to
tiy t;o enoourage handicapned people to turn t�o RSCAH for assistanoe in getting
information or shawing them where to go, and by having a tel�hone answering .
servioe that can be answ�ered alm�st 24 ho�s a day, they can help serve many peo�le.
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PP,C� 3
Mr. Ellirygworth stated they a have a schc�larship program �ere they are hoping
t�o give at least $300 to eveYy 'gh sc�iool in Anoka �unty that has a student
with a physical or sare type of disability. Maybe so�ne of the grant money v�uld
gc� for a scholarship for a Frid student.
Ms. Sherek stated that if NSCTiH is furxled the entire a�unt requested and all
the f�ds are mt used for the roduction of the booklet, the remai.ning func3s,
under the CzBG guidelines, would have to be turned back. Hawever, tYnse funds
wauld be available to NSCAH, fo instanoe, if they got a vatmitirerit for in-kind
printing before the project was started, and then they might be able to purchase
a w�rd prooessor to use for the project. �hat w�uld be part of the expense and
wr�uld be acoeptabLe imder the G guide].ines. Sdzolarships w�ould mt be an
allvwable use for the Q�G f
Aedeemer Lutheran Churc�
Pat Si.bert, representinq
1. V�at happens to this
and Caririg Hands)
LutYyeran Church
if yau are rx�t fu�3,ed?
Ms. Sibert stated they have q�t together with A�ka Caunty R,etarc�ed Citizens
to help raise funds, but it is ry difficult to get volunteers to help with the
fundraising. Zhey ha�e had bak sales at Fridley State Bank, and then Iutheran
Brotherhood matches the funds. They have been txying to brainstorm different
ideas on haw to rai.se the m�ney
Ms. Si.bert stated th�ey will be �
dzt�ch to see if they can bemn
already been set for this year,
She stated that right now they
next year. If they can get eno
next rhurch b�get year, then t
by the c��dz.
•itir�g letters to the various aamlittees in their
totally supported by ti�e church. �he budget has
o they would nat be �sidered until next year.
�ne enough funds to go ur�til the early part of
h additirnal funds to hold then over until the
.y would laiaw if they were g�ing to be funded
NiS. Sibert stated it has been difficult with the atrount of peaple involved
in this mi.nistYy ( 3-10 peonLe) . These same people cb all the shopping, all the
seYVing, all the 000king, and 1 the fur�draisers, and they rrow ryeed a break
They lilse the work, but the f aising is the difficult part.
Ms.� Si.bert stated they really f 1 this ministry is very w�orthwhile and very
rewarding. The street peaple as them �y they take the time to oare c�m and
dp this. Zhey have been cbing is nQw far tw�o years and th�se peq�le are getting
t,o lalaa them by name. If they s p this ministry naw, haa cb they tell these
people that they ca� no ]�onger tinue because of ladc of funds? She stated she
felt this �aould be a qood 'ty autreach for the City of Fridley.
2. Have you attea�ted to join w�th anather dzurch/es or another organization
for either financial help ar� wlunteer help?
Nis. Sibe�t stated it was scme ' g they had been thinking abo�t doi.ng. She had
thought of approaching St. Phi 'ps, but �en St. Phillips took on a similar
mirListry. She had nat yet app dzed ariy of the other dz�ches in Fridley to
see if they would be willing to lp s�port them financially.
SPE(SAL HI�F�IJ ItF50UR�',S �.1NIl�SSICN NE�TIlJG, 1��Y 19, 1988 PAC� 4
T
Qzurcfi of St. William (Fbodshelf)
Barbara Ososki, representing St. Willia� Foodshelf Proc�ram
Ms. Ososki presented the budget infornation the damidssi;on had r�quested.
l. Need a 71itt�e imne infonnation on whether you have oc�ntacted other churches
far assistanae. �at kind of oontact have you made? Have you rec�eiv�ed arYy
respa�se?
Ms. Ososki stat,ed ttzey have oaritacted ather ch�ches th�ugh the Fridley Ministerial
Associatioci for help, especially c�uring the food share m�nth of March. Scme
di�dles have responc7ed with foal and m�ney. Also, th�t had sare persorial contact
with a person at St. Phillips. St. Phillips cbnated pa�t of their food drive and
m�ney c�uring Lent to the St. Willi� foodshelf.
2. How m�h financial support are you reoeiving f�cn the parish? What other
souroes of funding are being actively saught? Do yQu belong to the Food
Bank Netw�ork?
Nis. Ososki stated they are reveiving about $8,000 in food fram parishio�ers each
year. Zheir budget allots $1,500 for food, emergency, �as, etc. They have beloanged
to the Food Bank Network for three years. �ey get aoupo�s for gas frcm "Q" for
$5. and those gas oaupons are used a lat. Part of the $1,500 bwdget allotmP�t also
c�Oe,s for rent assistanoe.
3. How many Lmdt�licated clients and how many t�otal clients have yau serv�ed in
the last 12 mo�iths? Do you ar�nuiicate with SACA a�d/or other food shelves
abaut possibl�e abuses?
Ms. Ososki stated tt�ey served 577 total fanilies in the ].ast 12 mociths. Zhe rnm�ber
of individuals in these fanilies was 1, 779. Unduplicated families wpxe 112+.
At holiday tine, they oomtamicate with SACA about possi.�le abuses, but there are
actually vexy few.
4. What kind of food dp you pl,an to buy? Is �yo�e do�ng anything tA educate
the pevple using the food shelves abaut nutrition a�d how to buy foods?
Nls. Ososki stated they buy food to fill out the basic fpod grcxaps; for exa�le,
peanut butter, canned meat products, vegetables, fruit juioes, frozen meats and
c�eese. Zhey get bread frcm the grooery store, arid tYiey c3Q get oa�¢rodity cheese.
She state� they cb not d4 a�ything to educate the pevpLe �ing tY�e food shelves.
Nfi. Sherek a�keci if St. Williams wuuld be interested in txying to establish a
self-help � suc� as that established by Clarissa Wail.ker at the Sabathani
C.oe�mmity Oenter where Ms. Walker teact�es basic 000ki.nc� skills.
I�k. Qsoski stated she thaught they w�uld be iuzterest�ed in helping out by providing ;
spaoe far the gro�s to meet. She stated sane� �of thesg people oo�u].d probably be '
helped by learning how tio manage their m�ney better for food. �
Mr. van Dan ask�d how many of their clients were Fridl�y pea�le. i
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Ng1Y 19. 1988
PAC£ 5
Ms. Ososki stated that wh� peq� ��e in, they are asked if they liv�e in Arbka
Q�unty, and most of the peq�le . She stated they never turn away anyorye fran
the fooc�.shelf, but they do tell le of anathes foodshelf that might be closer
to tl�em, if �at is the case. S e stated quite a fe�w of their clients are
F'ridley people.
NL�. Sherek ask�ed if there were
1� . Ososki stated that St.
Southern Anoka Oa�un.ity .
lbsemary Byrnes , Director
att�er churches in Fridley that hav+e a foodshelf.
is the only foodshelf in Fridley.
1. Is it tr��e _that bulk foods being repackaged? Have you been ooaitacted
about the �ndity foods in that regard? If you have been repackaging non-
oomrodity foods, cb yau have a.lioensed kitchen in which to dp it?
Ms. Byrnes stated SACA was not a licensed anmercial kitchen. None of the fooc�
shelves in Arr�ka County were 'red to be lioensed at this time. She stated
they cb npt repackage ariy foods all at the present time. She had be�n divid.ing
la�dty cletergent, sugar, and oo fee because those were it�e� often requested,
but she was not dping it anym�re Regarding oa�¢rodity food.s, the daYanission was
prabably referring t� oanrodity e. She stated that sevpsal mo�ths ago she
did cut � a few 5# packages of rican prooessed cheese; however, she is not
cbing that a�ymr�re either. She tated sY�e has been with the surplus fooc7 distri-
bution sinoe it started 7 years go.
2. . Of the �proximately 3,000 :
How many peaple listed as b
holiday baskets, diilc�en's
ey residents sen�ed, haa many wpxe unduplicated?
served reoeived �ly fuel assistanoe and/or
s, etc. ? Haa cb you ke� track of the rnanbers?
M�. Byrnes stated it was difficu t to ]mow how many Fridley residents wpx�e
tmduplicated. She would have to go thraugh her card file individually tA chedc
this out. She stated she keeps card oaz file for each person who requests and
reveives help ar�d what they reoe ve. She has an inactive file (for peo�le who
have not been in for a year or re) and a� activ+e file. She also keeps a daily
log of everything that c�oes �.
Ms. Byrnes stated that as far as the holiday bask�ts, she reoeives a form fran
the oounty i f a fanily has alre been helped. �at includes the name, address ,
the city and how many in the f ly. She stated holiday baskets are nat limited
to just those people on assistan , but to peq�le who are w�orking day labor, or
part time, ar wllo are low ino�me and n�eed sare help at Christmas. 'Ilzey can fill
out � application and xeaeiv�e a holiday basket.
3. Havie yau been cxnun�ieating c�ith St. Williams or o�ther food shelves abaut
possible abusers? �
Nis. Byrnes stated the food shel s in Anoka dounty are very yuod about ocntacting
arie anather if a oertain faanily r ii�di.vidual has been abusing the progran. She
stated 99� of the food shelf re pients are legit.unate. She stated there is r�
�;m;t to the rnanber of times th serve peq�le with food. They had tro do a little•
SPECIAL HLJI�N RF,50UR�S �SSICN 1�rIlQG, N�Y 19, 19�8 PAC£ 6 ,
less last sLmmer because they were laa o� food, arxi th y had a part-time e�loyee
going to the store to stodc t� an food. Duririg the s�ertime, food ocntributicns
are daw�1. The bulk of their food is do�ated through c�urches and peq�le do rr�t
gc� to diwrch oci a regular basis in the simmertime. Th�y c10 have m�ney in the
diedcing avoount and can purdzase food, but the biggesfi problem is getting scmeoaie
with a vehicle to pick up the food a t the store. Zhey, d4 get food fran the
Miruieapolis Fbod Bank in (�lden Valley, of �ich they are a member. In order to
be in the prograan, there is strict criteria on how the 'food is kept, aryd she
�st ]aeep ac�curate rewrds. Also the Fbod Bank inspec�s the house ori an annual
basis.
4. What other funding souroes have been sought in the past 36 ironths? Do you
belarig to the Fbod Bank Netw�rk? Besic3es Rosema�.y Byrnes , what ather on�ing
paid or gart time staff do y� have?
Ms. Byrnes stated they are vexy fortunate to have a hwse with free rent and utilities
provided by the City of O�limibia Heights. The City of '�lunbia Heights spent
$3, 200 � a new roof l,ast year. She stated they have solicited CTBG funds from
the City of Colivabia Heights in the last 36 mariths, and evexy Octaber/No�r,
they send letters t�o businesses, civic groups, individuals, etc., requesting
maney mainly for Christmas, but these grrn�ps know that voaztri.butioa�s are weloaned
at o�tt�er times of the year.
MS. Byrnes stated she works a 40 hr. w�rk w�edc, plus she puts in a lat of vr�lunteer
ho�ss. She has a part-tine e�loyee who works 29 hours a w�eek, 9:00-3:30 p.m.,
Mo�day -�iday. She has six v�exy dedicated ladies who oane in a oo�ple m�rnings
a week to take care of the clothes and address em�elo�es. �ere are also ather
voltuiteers who oo��e to heip whenev+er they can. At Qzristmas time, they get
hundreds of wl�u�tteexs, because it is a one-time effort.
Nis. Sherek stated that cne of the thirgs the O�mtassion has asked SACA in the
past, and St. Willia�s as well, was if SACA prvvic�ed a�y nutriticn education to
their food sYyelf recipients. One of the things the Q7mnissi.on would like to
e�lore this fall was the possibility of trying to put togett�er a group like that
at the Sabathani Ca�mity Oenter. Would SACA be irit�erested in participating in
a self-help gxoup to teach the basic food gro�s and hdw t�o prepare law budget
meals, teach nutritio�, ar� basic 000king skills?
Ms. Byrnes stated at ane tim� she was using the A�unty Extensi� Servioe where
a persoal carie to SA�'A ar�d did d�emoa�stratiaris . Howev�er, there was r�o funcling for
that progra¢u ric�t now. Zhis person would also gc� intd homes on a orie-to-or�
basis, but the people see�ned to prefer to oane to class�es at SAC�1 than have a
perscn ane t�o their hoQr�e. She stated the one problem was the limited spaoe at
the SACA Y�use. SACA wvuld definitely be interested in a progra�► ]ike this.
She stated that froan time t�o tim�e, she does put tc�etheir recipes for low wst
nutritious meals whidz she giv�es aut to peaple. She alsp reveiv�es sane recipes
fraam the Minneapolis Faod Bank. '
Nls. Byrnes stat�ed the funding, if granted, wuuld go �i�ly for purchasing food
when they cb n�t get en�ugh cbnations, and it w�uld go ''to help with gas for
peopl,e's cars. She stated SACA cloes appreciate all tlze', help they lave reaeived
frcm the City of Fridley in the past, and they ho�e thatt Fridley will consider
them fawrably again this year. '
SPECIAL HUN�T RESOLIRC�S C
Fridley Senior Citizen Qenter
Qoru�ie ZY�rn�son, Goordinator
Ms. �a�son stated she had
follaas:
1. What puxpose will this
Comm�uty Educatio� br
NEETING, N�Y 19. 1988
PA(� 7
the questions raised by the OoRmissi� as
�e serve that is not already served by the
and haw will the brodzure be clistributed?
7Sze p�pose of the broc;hure is to pictorially descri.be activitv and servioes of
the Fridl,ey Senior Center. O adults respond w�ell to pictures and captions
for adv�rtising ac�rdir�g to , a marketing r�et�aork publicatiari. We need to
catch older adults' eyes and aw them a positive image of vitality and activity
at the Qenter. This broc�iure auld break down the "old fo]ks" stereotype of
the Fridley Senior Oenter.
�e Q�mrninity Education broGh and, to a greater d�egree, the City of Fridley
Recreation Broahure desc�ibe ry specific prograns an� activities run thnouc�
their departments for o]�er ad ts. 'I'hi.s broc3z�e w�auld represent a�11-rounded
werview of programS, activiti s, and servioes.
The bx�hure would be c�i:stri;
Worker, Senior Befrienclers, �
ari display in plaoes older a
restaurants (old Courrtry Buf
2. Haw are the refrigerator
hvw will they reach the ;
Senior Center:
d through the Senior Center, the Senior Outreach
Ch�er of Coim�erce, Welca«e Wagon, and located
s might frequ�nt sudz as churches , dnig stores ,
, city hall, library, clinics...
:s and the jar grippers being distributed, and
who are r�at participants qf the Fridley
Aefrigpxator �gnets and jar ' ppers would be distribut,ed in the Fridley Senior
News by the Senior Outreach Wo ker ar�d Senior Befrienders. We w�uld also have
them available at major act�vi events for the Senior Center and would publicize
their availability throuc� the Fridley Focus and the Minneapolis Star Tribune
Oo�rn�i.ty Section senior wl
3. Ooulc3n't a sticker to be p�t an the telephane be as effectiv�e and maybe
m�re practical than the re rigerator magnets? It w�ould also be cheaper.
In ir�arketing the Fridley Senio � Qenter, we are looking for attractive ginmi.cks
to catch peq�le's eyes. Thcug the sticJcer idea wauld be aheaper, the magnet
�uld be used an the refrigera to hold the Senior News Calendar, the Senior
Dinuzg menu or remiric�ers of e�rerYts and progra�ns . Medtronic has
arranged for a graphic artist o create an attractive eye catching design--
sanething pleasam and cheerY �SP�Y -
�e maqnet oaricept also tends be m�re versatile when changing loaati�. When
a sticker is applied, it is pe er�t and would nat wear as well..
Ms. �o�tpson stated she had b c�t sa�oples of the types of things they want to
cb at the Fridley Seniar Cen She stated she has been on staff at the
Ser�ior Oenter for 1� years r�ow and during that time, she has seen a substantial
growth in bath the activities in the participation at the Center. Acoording
to rec�ent statistics fran the litan Cbuneil Minnesota Board on Aging, in
SPEQAL Ht�,N i7F5C7UI2�S 0.'�'�IISSIIN NE�7�ING, NF�Y 19, 1988 � PAC£ 8
1980 them were wer 3,900 seniors 55 years of age and o].c3ex in Fridley. If they
aalculate that out, there are ryow 3,900 seniors 62 years of ac�e and older in
Fridley. 73zey like to think the services at the Senior Oenter start at age 55
b�cause of the early retirement age. She was estinating that the FYidley senior
papu]ation 55 y�ars of �ge �d older .was 4, 500. Zi�y feel they have a w�ell-
ro�ded prograQn at the Oenter, but there are still a lot of people t�o be reached.
MS . Zho�son stated they are already usir�g the Parks & iiecreation Broctrure much
more exterLSively tha� the Orn�nuiity Edu�ation brochure. Zhey have six pages in
the Fridley Aecreation brodz�e, but they are also finding in the research that
i.s being done that seniors respoaxl very w�ell to pictuYes and they read captirns.
She show�ed a a7py of a broc3��+e put out by the V�IlZitney Senior Qentex which had
gi�en than the idea of what they wwld lik�e to do at the Fridley Seniar oenter to
get the ward �t. Ric�t naw they feel they are adequatrely serving the seniors in
�e age gro� af 65-95, but they are also trying to attract the young seniors,
55-65. �ey think a brod�rure similar to the one put out by the Whitney Senior
aenter will 2�1p the�n meet those needs.
Ms. �aiQson stated that regarding the 7�' �PPers� they have started a� arthritic
support gro� at the Fridley Senior Center. In trying to think of another market-
ing gitarYdcJc that would be attractive tro seniors, the giro� came � with the jar
grippers. A lat of seniors might have the beginning stages of arthritis or are
having less strength o� dext�erity, ar�d the jar gripper w�ould be a useful tool a�d
would also help them announoe their new logo, al�g with their braiiure.
Anoka �unty Oan�rn�nity Actio� Program - Senior Outreach Proqram
Elaine Vangerud, Ooordinator for Senior Progra� for A.C.C.A.P. arr3 Supervisor
for the Outreach Warkers in Anoka Oaunty
Nancy Jorgensoan, Fridley Senior Outreach Worker
Ms . Vangerud stated sh�e wauld fi 'rst respond to the four questio�s asked by the
Oacrmission, and then she would let Ni�. Jorgenson respond with soane of her ideas
a�d thou�ts .
l. In past years, the O�assion has been grovided with the rnmiber of people
who are being served, duplicated n�snbers and ur�duplicated rnu�bers . What are
those figures €or this y�ear?
Nis. Vangerud stated one of the things that ha�pened this year was that the forn�er
autreac3� worker resigr�d at the end of August, at�d it took t�m�e to ge�t organi.zed
and firyd anc3ther outrearh wo�rker. Ms . Jorgensor� did mt start until Oct. 15 ,
so the rn$abers were a little different tha� ],ast year. Aatually, up until the
first of May, Mg. Jo�rgc�son m�de 153 i�ane visits and she has serv�d 250 peaple.
Altogether, by the end of May she will haroe made mare than 500 o�ntacts. 7hese
vontacts have been in �ry different ways--through the Seni.ar Oenter, Cbngregate
Dining. talkincJ to Pec�le in grcn�s and organizatioa�.s, ete. ZW�ent�tw� pereent
of these people neec3ed mare than one visit or mc�re than one oontact, so time was
spent in making sure these pec��le reoeiv�d the servives and also in upd�ting the
visits to make sure the sexvives were there for the pea�le.
SPECIAL HtA�,N F�SOUFtCES 01�A'�SS�ICN �TING, Ng1Y 19, 1988
2. What is the Senio�r
Nl�. Uangerud stated M5. Jargen
imt�o different phases : (1) cb
calls before the visit or doirN
the �-idley Senior Center; (3)
with ather outrnadz w�rkers on
prt�oec�res, to get mr�re traini
s�ort from the other autread
Worker's work schec�ul�e?
PA(£ 9
m works 20 hrs. a week. �is time is divided
ig outreach work in the ho�re—makiryg telephcne
updates on the telephane; (2) spending time at
�pez�ding time at C7ongregate Diniryg; ( 4) meetir�g
:hursday every ather week to get i�x7ates oai
f. to discuss what is happeni�, ar�d to get
w�rkers.
Nis. Vang�erud stated Ms. Jarge also has had sane training. In the buclget for
this year, training was not in uded. In their Agency, they give 2�� of the
salary ta�rarc]s training. Zhat s cut of the a�3mi.nistrative e�ense in the
budget. They feel it is very ' rtant for the vutreach w�rkers to get training
to knvw what the new servioes and tA have sare more inforniation to give to
seni.ors on their visits.
3. Because of the shaky
sourves af aziy kind?
Ms. Vangerud stated they vould
ing, but that would hav�e to be
Fridley's share would be very s
to what Fridley is gett�ng m�a.
City of Fridley's program. A.0
the program and they pirovic3e th
funciir�g.
4. Specifically, hvw is �is
C�nter, Befrienders, and �
Nls. Vangerud stated Ms. Jor
Gitizen Detiter and with the
Nis. Jorgensan stated she and M
7.he seniors visit the Senior a
there . Often, if a senior nee
By having some of her time spe
seniors to ask her questions.
home, she brings the Fridley S�
Prograan, she infarms th�► abaa
ather progra� that are availa
is a reduction in water and se
fuel assistanve far law inoo�ne
Ms . Jargensrn stated cne �
Z�le.pha� Assistance Plan
far� ]�ow incarie seniors.
of CDBG funds , have you looaced at alternate
0 outside the City of Fridley for alternate fur�d-
ivided ambng all the cities in Anoka Oounty, so
iall and the services would be very small oom�ared
She w�ould like to enQhasize that this is the
C.A.P. is jwt the vehicle that helps supervise
s as a servioe to the cities who prwicle CDBG
oe being 000rdinated with the Senior Citizen
activities at the Senior Citizen Center?
does w�rk very closely with the Fridley Senior
�ders program.
Zho�son have found they work very w�ell together.
ter and Ms. Tho�son ooardinates the ber�efits
h�lp, Ms. Thanpson will refer that perscm to her.
at the Senior Cerrter, she is available for the
t�ery time she goes tA visit a senior in his/her
ior Citizen Center newsletter, a Chore Service
Ocngregate Dining, and she lets thezn lmaa of
e in the City. She also infor�ms �n that there
r rates far senior citizens arid that there is
amilies and for handicapped people in the oammmi.ty.
�she has been busy with the p�ast month is the
has been enacted across the State of Minnesota
N15. Jorgenson stated she r�nt c� Befriend�rs trainir�g at St. Williams in
Fridley. Zhe proc�am is ooar ' ed by lbith Smith. She was not real sure what
was c,�ing t�o happen with the Be rier�ers program as Nis . Smith was leaving
St. Williams; however, they looking far another 000rdinator. She stated
SPEC.ZAL HCPR�IJ 12ESOUR�S OCY��IISSIQl�T A�TG, NF�Y 19, 1988 PA� 10
v�en she visits a senior, if she finds that person has a need for a friend, she
will call Ruth Smith and make a referral, arxi Ms. S�aith will firid a Befrierr3er
to go into that home.
Ms. Jargensoci statied she makes a lot of other referr�ls to Anoka Cbunty Social
Servioes. Alot of the job i.s netaa�orkix�g with the various sexvioes that are
available.
Ms. Jorgen.son stated �idley is an extremely aging cam�unity--67$ of the peo�le
she visits are under Section 8 laa inoame guidelines and aver 22$ of than are
what she vazsiders the older seniors, 70 years of age and ov+er. She can start
visiting seniors at age 55. Priority is given to the l,ow ir�ca� seniors to m3]ce
sure they are iriwlved in or are aware of progr� that are available to them.
Ms. Uang�erud stated they aYe very pl�eased with what Nis. Jorgenson has been d�ing.
�ere hav�e been sar�e verY cJood rePorts axni�g back about her w�rk.
Alexarydra House
Pat Prinzevalle, F�ecutiv�e Director
Ni�. Prinzevalle stated she first wanted to a�ologize that the budget had nat been
st�aitt�eed with the grant requ�est.
1. Hawe yw developed a way ta quan:ify the kinds of servioes you pravide (i.e.,
hot line, aaunseling, eduaation) in terms of total rnunbers seYVed and also
rnanber of �idl�y residents serv�d? What is the tatal n�nber of Fridley
residents who reoeive sexvioes ather than use of the shelter?
I�. Prinzevalle stat�ed, yes, they have. �ey hav�e what they call a"log sheet".
Basically what tne log sheet c�oes is identify the staff person who takes the call,
the time, the caller's name, and a oode. The aode is for support calls, inforntiatio�
and battering-related; shelter requests for n�n-battering related; calls for
informatioaz referral. Zhe total rnm�ber of Fridley residents who reoeived servives
other than the use of the shelt�er in 1987 was 310. Ap�ro�tely 135 are �ity
wanen wYn � in, ar�d 180 wo�nen wh� call over the phorie. She stated they have
different ways of o�llectir�g �ose statistics, o�mYUnity wrmen vpxsus crisis call
waaen.
2. �at happens if y� are nat funded?
Ms . Prinzevalle stated they are asking for fun�ding to o�ver what they have asked
for in the p�ast--the isieligibles, those wanren and their fam�lies who are ineligi.ble
to reaeive per diem assistanae frcm the Qourity. They will shelter those w�oacen even
if they are not fiux�ed by C�G funds frrn► �Yidley, but the shelter vaould nat be
assistated in providing tilose servioes.
3. i�ow many days/nic�ts can a waren and/or diildren sta.y at the shelter? What
is the average lenqt-h of stay?
Ms. Prinzevalle stated the length of stay was determined by the woaren and their
faa�nilies--depending iapcsi �at their c3�oioes a��d aptions are. The stay can be
a�ywhere from 1 day to 30 days. Zlie average length is 14 days w�erall. '
SPECIAL HtA�1N R'E'SOURC�SS �II�II.S�IC�I METING, N�Y 19, 1988
PAC� 11
Ms . Jac�cson asked what happen� to the d�i.ldren during the t�me they are in the
shelter as far as their educa aial needs.
Nis. Prinzevalle stated they ha a�tract with the public scliool syst�► where
a teadier oanes in and tutors days a week, 2 hrs. a day. Or, if the dzildren
attend a sc�ool close to the elter, bus transportation is pravided.
North Suburban Center for the
Pat Edstrom
Rosani� Fidler
Zhe following answers were
CaRnissirn:
1. Haw m�ch do the partic
larger in size tA make
tted in response to the questia�s asked by the
pay far the classes? O�uld the classes be made
nore eo�nomically feasibl,e?
A. Fridley Senior Citizen ' cipa�s pay the follaaing fees :
Stiaeatshut Class - $7. 0/session
Quilting Class - $15.0 /6 w�eek session
Folk Art Painting Clas -$15.00/4 week sessiaz
Watrerv�lor Painting s - $5.00/sessioei
North Suburban Qenter for e Arts (NSCA) and the FYidley Senior Center
(FSC) have tri.ed to malce th arts program self-sustaining and hope to build
a firm fow�dation for f progra�ns. We hppe the program will not be
dependent oa� grant funding. FSC feels the program has been extremely
sucaessful.
B. Classes should riot exveed ]
lecture-oriented. With olc
the teadzer, and good rappc
oo�nfideazae in the students.
(e�canQle: hearing ].oss, art
ties due t�o tl� agir�g prove
to twenty stuc3erits to cne t
Hist�y) . (This informztic
persons. Zhese are hands-on art classes, not
adults, there has to be a one-to-one ratio with
, with the teacher in order to build self-
Zhe students often have physical limitations
•itis) or general diminished physical capabili-
. The ntmmber of students oould be increased
�cher in a lect�e situatioaz (exan�le : Art
provided by a recreatianal professional.)
2. Have you sought alternativ�e � funding?
NS�A will be exploring the pos
of the Sta�Tribune "You C�n H
writers. NSCA is looking far
7ocke House aazd look to a tim�e
FSC so that we can pravide pro
a func�-raising dinr�er aryd a si
plaruiing additional fur�raisi
ility of other grant fur�ding. NSCA was a part
" aoltann cn April 3, 1988. We asked for grant
d to the day we can hold classes at Banfil-
en we can have transportation badc and forth to
ms in 000peration with FSC. NSCA reoently held
t auction whic� was vexy sucoessful. We are
activities, (exaar�le : a Frankly Fakes sale) .
3. Haw is the fee set? Haw the fee ci�arged at the Senior Citizen Genter
a��are with the oo�parable class at North Suburban Center for the Arts?
SPDCIAL HLII�iN Ft�SWR�S Q�II��IISSICN NEEIZNG, NIl�,Y 19, 1988 PA(� 12 �
,
A. Zhe majority of fees are set oaz a self-sustaining basis. CYant m�nies go to
subsidize class fees based on six students in a class. Artist-teacher
salaries vary greatly. Previvus C�G.progr�n teadzer salaries have been
from $10-25/hour. (The $10/houar and $18/hour classes are self-sustaining.)
B. F�ees c�arged at I1SCA are oazsiderably more than FSC. Also, FSC provides
supplies t� theis stuc7�ents. NSCA gives �ers a disvaunt on classes but
students �t pr�vide mat�erials.
C�BG funds w�uld be used tA oaztinue and expa�zd FSC art progra�s (e�n�le: We
hope t�o have a 000perativ�e Elders Art E�ibition) .
NSCA hapes t�o m3ke the point that creativ�e expressiori is a vital addition to any
oarnunity. F'SC artd NSCA fill a wid as there are m ather art venters in this
intnediate area.
Ms. Sherek ask�ed if NSCA had any specific plans at this time for expansion of the
spnior art exhibits or w�ere they deper�dend on funding?
Nis. Edstro�n stat�ed they aze c7ependent � fundirig. The e�ibition for the elders
is in the real pre-planning stages at this time.
Nls. Jacksori asked how the classes w�ere publici�ed to the seniors.
Nis. Ddstran stated the Fridley Senior Qenter cbes the publicizing. FSC has an
oazcping progra�n and North Suburban cbes n�ot do any publicizing of that particular
program. �he classes are vexy w�ell atten�ded, acoording to Qannie 'Ilio�san.
Ms. Fidler stated that one of the qu�estions dealt with fees and how the fees
a��are between �e FSC and NSCA. �e fees have cbubled and even tripled, but
they feel unvanfortabl,e, aft�er oonsulting with the FSC, in raising the fees again
because it vares tA the point where the seniors canr�t afford the classes, an�d
thai they w�uld be missing a large grrn�p of people.
Ms. Jacksoci ask�ed if there vaere any wlunteer artists to teach the classes.
Nis. Ficll,�x stated that, unfortunately, there wpse no wlunteer teachers at this
time.
Anoka Qo0.uYty Associ.ation for Retarded Citi zens
Rcabert Brick
Mr. Bridc stated he w�uld first ]ike to thank the Hiunan Resouroes Ooctmissioal.
He�use of the ��i.ssion's efforts last year, they w�ere able to start the project
he was going to talk about at the meeting. He stated they think this project is
a vexy exciting new resouroe far ya�g fa�nilies in the Arbka Q�unty area. That
pivject is the A�ka Oaiuity Toy Ierxiing Li.brary. �is need was braught forth
abaut 5 years ago to ARC, but no one thvught it a worthy project until last year
�en they really toak the plLmge and put trogether a nunber of resouroes which
allc�wed then to open up �e.ir t�oy lendir�g libraxy.
. M , i ,. -�a. • i• ��
AE�TIlJG, N�,Y 19, 1988
PAC� 13
Mr. Brick stated the pur�ose of e libraxy is to provicle families with young
dzildren an alteYnative to pur ing sare v�stly diild development materials
and sane adaptive equiFxnerxt. Zh materials and equipment are available to
peapl,e who have low and moderate in�csnes as w�ell as peopl,e beyond those HUD inwme
guidelines. ?he premise behind t is that all children shpuld have the same type
of opportunities regardless af rtt�l inoomes or the types of handic�ped oon-
ditioa�s the dzildren might have.
Mr. Brick stat,ed they are vezy cited about what has happened with the project.
They opened theis doors last . Ct�rently, there are 209 children parti-
cipating in the project fram 120 families. �enty-twn percent of those families
are fran Fridley. �e oost per 'ld in the program is $59 per year. That was
aie of the c�onoerns raised by th Qo�m�ission. He stated ARC feels this is riot an
unreascnable o�st, given the aim of enjayirent and learning e�eriences the
dzildren are able to reveive and given the fact that they think this will alleviate
sane stress in famnilies.
Mr. Brick stated anather �noern the Oatmtissian had c3ealt with was the issue of
insuranoe and why that l.irLe item was so high. Basically, that was for liability
ir�suranoe. Liability ins�anoe bec.o�ne very expensive over the last few y+ears.
Fbr this particular project, the insuranoe was to avver, not only the children,
but also the products. He would assure the O�mnission that they d� not want to
spend ariy m�re maney on insuran than is nsvessary, but they feel it is essential
t1�at they hav� adequate prot�ecti . V�en neg�tiating insuranoe o�ts next year,
if the atrount is less than what identified in the budget, that aimunt will
be transferred to materials.
Mr. Bridc stated the amount spen
Ldzen they w�ere pl,anning it, they
the needs of f�nilies. They hav
been adequate. Zhey have 36 fam
�uch in deanand. Sane of those f
borraw out materials for up t,� a
reserved by anvther fani.ly, the �
So, they are in the prooess of c
material most in denand are quit
fram an area servioe club, ar�d t
Zhese items are sane of the more
yaung c�ildren. Riding tvys �er
cn inventory thus far is apprcaimately $6,000.
hought this wauld be m�re than enough to meet
clisoo�vered, however, that this amount has not
ies waiting far sane �terials that are very
alies wait for 2-3 ironths. They are able to
�th at a time. If the materials are not
terials can be renew�ed for another time period.
.tinu.ing t�o build their inverYtozy. The types of
experLSive. Zhey reoently had a$1,000 cbnation
.y found that the $1,000 would buy 6 items.
ross irotor type of equipme�rt. that ap�eal to the
an exam�ple of this type of equignent.
I�. Brick stated they are making sarie eff�ts with a local presdzool program
that is clasing this s�er to ssi.bly sec�e scme equip�nerit fran them. They
can anticipate that eac� year th are going to hav�e to sperr3 a fair aim�t of
m�ey on either new equipment or plenishing scxne materials that are no longer
usefu7..
Mr. Brick stated the Ca�rttdssion t�ed to krr�w what other r�oirblock grant/non-
vaurity funds have been sought. stated this is on�e of �e neat things about
this project. l�en they put it r, they were able to rally a ntm�ber of
ca�uY►�ity resauroes in add�tion the City of F'ridley� Some other cities oantri-
buted cash, arld they also g�t a r of inkirld do�natioris . An ar�hitectural firm
came in and designed sane shelve for them free of charge. L�aber was donated.
SPDCIAL HLl1�R�N i�SOt�EtC�S a.'�'IISSICN NEEI7NG, 1�F�Y 19, 1988 PPdC£ 14
A carpenter's �ion caune in and built the shelves. vblunteers painted. A majar
Zt�rin Cities aorpar�atioaz cbr�ated a significant aarount of t�oys. Zhe rent for the
buildir�g for the first year was free. Servioe clubs also oontribute m�ney that
is designated for purchasirg �mterials.
Nh�. Brick stated that reg�ardux� haa ].alg tays last, it was a little early to be
able to make that judgs�nt. They have a real oonscientious graup of peaple
participating in the project, ar�d they are taking vezy c�ood care of the t�oys.
He was extrenely pleased with the �ndition in which the tays were being brought back.
�ey �ink that attitude of the parerrts, together with the phil�ophy of AR� of
buying z,ai;ty materials, is gnir�g to mean that the toys will last 7-8 years.
Mr. Brick stated the (Z�G furrls, if gr�ted, would be �u.sed for purchasing materials
and for operating vosts such as building rent. The iapact of this particular
project cbes pravide a valuabl,e resauroe for a ntmiber of yauzg f�nilies, and they
think it is a valuable resouree that is mt duplicated elsewhere which, therefore,
makes.the program unique.
Oentral Oenter for F�nily Resauroes
Lee Carlscn, Director
l�. CarLson thank�ed the ornnnission for the assistance they have reoeived in the
past. It oertainly allowed then to increase their servive delivery.
Ms. C�r].soai answered the follawing questions :
1. Haw cb your sezvives oo�are with the sezvioes prwid,ed by the Family Life
Center and l�brth Suburban Counselir�g Center?
A. Our primary focus is diildren and families. We are the only agency working
with c3�ildren in peer s�t groups. We currently have 37 ongoing peer
s�part grot�s far dzi.ldren ages 6-18, with 5-7 chi]rdren per group. We
reoently started a ynung adult prograan for 18 year olds who do not quite fit
into the other age groups. Zhese graups also include family intakes and
evaluatia�s. We cb a lot of dv.ld advoca,cy and focus ari trying to net�ork
with the crther persons who are active in the dzildren's lives. In addition,
czoss-li.nkage with sdzools in praviding diild advocacy an�d develaping bridges
of un3erstaazding in helping ciiildren deal with fa¢nily issues such as divoroe.
Testing servioes are provided as well as support servioes for children with
learniuzg disabilities such as att�ention deficit disorc�ers .
B. Zl�e other two age�cies pravide adult psychiatric ser�ioes which w�e do riot.
Ho�th agencies serve irnre persoris with chronic mental health prablems .
C. Zhe issues of d�lication of servioes are npt an issue. �he i�ortanve of
client choice and distanc�e factors in tezms of the locations of the three
agencies cause decisions to be n�ac�e also on this basis. Family Life Center
is l,ocated in Arioka, arycl North Sub�ban �ounseling Denter is locatecl in
dooaz Rapids. We are accessible by bus to F'ridley residents. We offer services
until 10:00 p.m. weekendays and 9:00-5:00 an Saturdays which are also important
factors in fanilies' ability to receive serviaes.
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MAY 19, 1988
PA(� 15
D. We offer fanily education 'oes through parenting classes and hav�e
expertise available for s with abuse and neglect issues. We have
oo�isultancy for dzild abuse through Dr. Susan Phipps Yona.s and are able to
treat verY Ycyung dli�dren w'th this trawna.
E. We have a sliding fee ,
t�o acoess services and
F. We have good netwarking re
and cross-refer where armr
1�. Carlson stated FYidley fur�d
As far as the i�act to the Cit
reduoe the l,evel of ftuvcli�g, it
mt have any oo�verage far oouns�
sare subsidies fran the �unty,
and st�port are ext�n�ely ittg�or
Fridley, and they are v+e� acoe
does have a significant nta�ber
is very i�ortant.
North Suburban Counseling
Jackv Frentz, Cli.nical L1
1. Haa cb your services �
for Family Resouroes ar�
Nis. Frentz stated she thought M
between the three agencies. Zh
patient mental health services;
Anoka County resic3ents. Family
mentally ill population than No
focuses more on ci�.ildren. Nort
ing oenter in that it cbes a li
under the age of 12 to �ntral
who provides medicati� evaluat
cazples, fanilies, qro�s. The
parerit/dzild prable�, a3olesoe
between the three agencie�-gen
tional needs, specific t:ime req
might better provide. As Nis.
demand for services and a re]sat
Arnoka Co�.u�ty, the d�lication o
2. Wtyeii you run out of or are
funds, how cb you treat cl
clients? Do you �ntinue
cannot pay?
that goes to 0 which enabLes yaung teens 17-18
e no one based on inability to pay.
with the abov�-mentioned agencies
would be used to s�sidize F�idley residerits.
� of Fridley, if Fridley ci�ose to significantly
wc�uld mean that 65$ of the Fridley clients would
:ling. �hey are United Way func�ed and d� receive
but she thought the ooRmtmity link and inwlvement
.ant. Central Center for Family Resources borders
sible to people in the City of Fridley. Fridley
�f low income residents, a�d the support fran Fridley
with the servioes provided by Central Center
.lv Life Mental Health Qenter?
. Carlso� had pretty much siamiarized the differenves
re are s ame similarities. Zhey all provide out-
they all have a sliding fee scale; they all serv�e
Life Center seems to serve a m�re dzronically ill
th S�fiu�an. Central Center far Family Resources
Suburban is sort of the "garc�en variety" oounsel-
t1e bit of ev+erything. They tend to refer dlildren
�enter, saretimes ta Wil�er. They have a psychiatrist
on and prescriptions. �ey work w ith individuals,
sen�e emational stress needs, anxiety, depression,
t proble�. There has always been cross-referral
rally based oai the client' s location, the situa-
�ests for appointernents that one of the other agencies
'arlson had stated, because there is an enorm�us
�nely Low level of availability for services in
j servioes has nev�er been a prablem.
�ut to nm out of CDBG f�s or other misoellaneous
its who carc�r�t pay? Do you �ntinu�e to see those
acoept a�clditional clients ar intake clients who
SPECIAL HC1�S�1�T R'E.50UR�CFS QO�+I�+ILSSIQ�I NEETl'�TG, N�Y I9, 1988 Pl� 16
Ms. Fre�z stated they have a servioe c�ontract with Anoka Oaunty t�o pravide
servioes for all Anoka ownty resid�nts. Zhere is a maxiimm to that. Zhey use
those funds tA supplenent the oost of servioes to Fridley residents and to oover
the aosts wnpletely when the Fridley iror�ey is e�austed. Over the past txao
years, the FYidley allo�tment has not lasted through the funding year. This year
it was e�austed in January. The f1u�d.ing �ear is July 1- June 30. If their
funding resouroes are getting laa, they att�pt to stretch than out as far as they
can. Zhey ask their clients tA spaoe out the time betw�en appointmerits or meet
in 1/2 sessions rather t�han full sessirns. Zhey have not had to turn �nyaie aaaay
for the las t t�wo years .
3. Snk�at will the fu�cls fran Fridley be used far? What impact will this hawe on
the residents of Fridley?
Nis. Frentz stated in 1987 th� provided 278 vounseling and psychiatric sessions to
Fridley residents ori a sliding fee scale for a total oost of $18,490. Of that
atmlmt, the agency wrote off $3,518 or 19� of the total oost as an agency subsidy.
Client fees were $1,647 or 9� of the total oost. Anoka O�unty subsidized $10,300
or 56$, and FYidley s�sidized $3,022 or 16$ of the total o�st.
Ms. Frentz stated the.ir projecti� for the 1988r89 QBG funding year is to provide
360 sliding fee scale aounseling a�d psydv.atric sessions t�o Fridley residents for
a total cost of $24,300. Zhe $6,000 they have requested fran Fridley C�1BG fur�ds
w�ould ayver 25$ of the total �st for these sessirns.
Nis. Frentz stated it was vexy difficult t�o measure the i�act of this kind of
funding. Outpatient mental health oenters are usually described as provicling
servioes in three major areas: treatm�nt, preventiQn, and education. Zheir agency
spends most of its effort in the areas of treatment and prevention. It may well be
that the inpact of their services to �Fridley residents as a whole is m�st powerful
in the area in which it i.s least visible whidz is prevention. It is least visible
because they cb.not see things that dp r�ot happen, and it is m�st pvwerful because
of the tremerydous vost to the oa�¢:�nmity whidz has to deal with fa�iily violenve,
suicides, divorves, family disintegration, institutiona].i.sation of �citizens, ei.ther
psychiatric or for criminal reasons, juvenile delinquency, loss of productivity
be�use of diemical abuse and anxiety 3epressicn. Oamtamities are toud�ed em�tion-
ally by the tragedies of their residents and precio�s cbll.ar5 are spent to pravide
services that respa�d to the needs of troubled residents. She believed the major
i�act of this funding is an intangible i�rovement in the quality of life for the
residents, particularly in a oanmuiity where m3ny of the him►ar► tragedies ar�d
prcab].ens have been prevented or lessened by oontact with outpatie.nt merital health
serviaes. .
Ms. Frentz stated North Suburban really a�reciated past funding f�n �Yidley and
haped Fridley would oor�.sider them favorably again this year.
SPEQAL HINg�N 1�OURCES �SSICL�1 N�'I�+TG, 1�Y 19, 1988 PAC£ 17
F�mily Life Mental Health Oenter
Iucy Micla►t�n, Cli�nical Mar�ager
1. Haa cb your servioes vonpare with the senrioes provided by Oentral C�enter
far Family Resouroes and No�th Suburban Qaunseling Oenter?
Ms . Miclanan stated bath Fa�nily Li.fe and North Suburban are licensed imder Rule 29 .
Family Life has always been the psychiatric medical m�del. Zhey hav�e about faur
times m�re psychiatric care (hours) . Fa¢nily Life and North Suburban both do
individual, fa¢�ly, and differe#�t age group vounseling. But, besides the teens,
Family Life has therapists who do play therapy with children. The main differenoe
between F�nily Life and Qentra110enter is that Family Life has psychiatrists a�d
oentral Qenter focuses Trore on dzildren and families. As stated by Nis. Carlsal
and Ms. Frentz, they do refer c�.ients back and forth. There is probably a little
overlap, but there seems to be � need for all their servioes.
2. 4�at are the extent of servives you provide? In other words, what are the
typical rnunber of visits ar haa c34 you measure the services per client?
Nk . Miclanan stated prob�Uly the most si.�listic way of looking at this is : What
is the diagnosis-- by virtue o�'the fact that they have psychiatric care and hav+e
always been identified as w�orkirig with persons with persistent ar�d chro�ic mental
illness. Same of these clients have been in treatioent for years. They have
three Fridley resic7ents they see weekly ar bi�reekly and have been for ten years.
Before being in the Family Life progra¢�►, they had been hospitalized 2-4 times a
year. Sinve being in the Family Iai.fe prograQn, they hav�e riat had to be hospitalized.
Zhey have a day treatn�ent prograQn that provic�es servioes for peaple who cb need long
tenn treatment. It is a oost effective progr�n and m�u� cheaper than individual
therapy, and they are expanding this progra¢n. Zhey have had 3-4 Fridley residents
in day treatment for 8 years. xf they are looking at situational type of depres-
siaris, a death, divnrve, etc., those are usually m�re short term, so it is easier
to loak at the senrioes diagnostically. 7�ey see a lot of peaple whc� are unemployed
ar�erencployed. They cb a lat of w�orlana�i's oo�ensatiorr-people with back
injuries, and sane of those clients are ]�g term The physicians cb the PsYchi�
tric assesstaent, and ti�ey d�o a lat of stress management, pain mana9ement, for
these type of clie�s. This would not r�eoessarily be loazg term.
Nls. Mic,Ja�n stated they do see peq�le of all ages. The c�ildren are usually m�re
short ternn. If they are looking at dysfimctional faQnilies and hic� risk families
who are in dzild pratection or alooholic backgrounds, then theY might be looking
at faQnilies far a long t�me in arder to keep the faQni.ly in the ho�me.
3. �en you run aut of or are.about to run out of C�G ftmds or ather misoellaneous
funds, haw cb yau tseat clients who cannat pay? Do yau oontinue to see these
clients? Do you co�tinue to ac�ept additional clients or intake clients who
cat�not pay?
I„i�, Mi�lanan stated they have been in e�dst,enoe for almost 11 years, and they have
never terminated treatznent. They will continue to see their clients. They, too.
have an Anoka O�unty ocntract and they do blend their m�nies together. Along
abo�ut pctober, they ran aut of all the Oo�ty mr�riey and t�G no�ey and sustained
SPECIAI, Ii[�,N �Otl� OLi��SSION Nh�'�IlJG, 1�Y 19, 1988 PAC� 18
liieir clients by saaetimes spaci.r�g aut therapists t� help absorb the loss. If
they get $5 or nothing fran a clie.nt, they just absorb it. She stated they
ao�tinue to see all their psydziatric pa�.ients. Zhey will take ariycne who is in
crisis o� in psycfiiatric treatment, but if it is sareone who oauld c�o to North
Suburban or dentral �nber, then they will Yefer that person. Fran mic�-Navc�nber
on, they re%rred four peo�Le t�o North Suburban. If there is no funding at any
of the other agenci.es either, then they will absorb that oost.
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Cl'I'Y OF F�tIDT •�
APPEALS OONMISSION MEETING, MAY 24, 1988
CAIS� TO OF7DER:
Cizai.rpersoci Barna called the May 24, 1988, �eals Ca�mdssi� meeting to order
at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL C'.AIS.�:
Menbers Prese,nt: Alex Barna, Diane Savage, Jerzy 5herek, Kenneth Vos,
Larry Kuechle
Memk�ers Absent: NNarie
Others Present: Darrel Clark, City Building Inspector
Susan Odson, 1504 Windernere Drive
Bxyan Stout, 5198 St. Dtioritz �rive
P�obert Galush, 801 Marquette Avenue - T.0 .F .
Barbara Cappelletti, 3500 Skycroft Drive - T.C.F.
Joe Nelson, 1357 - 64th Avenue N.E.
Soott F�erstenberg, 550 - 57th Avenue N.E.
Jane Cotr�stoc]c, 550 - 57th Avenue N.E.
Roger Harald, 560 - 57th Avenue N.E.
APPROVAL OF MAY 10 , 19 88, APPEALS CCl�A4ISSION MIl�UTF'•S :
M�ION by bis. Savage, seconded by Mr. Sherek, to apprave the May 10, 1988, Apneals
CocmLissian minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VO►1'E, AIZ VClTTNG AYE, CEiA�iPERSON BARNA D�CI�RFD THE DtiOTION CARRIID
UNANIlN�iJSLY .
1. OONSIDERATION OF A VARI�I�E R�QiJE.ST, VAR #88-08, BY SUSAN CIDSOI�I:
Pursuant to Chapter 205.04.06.A, 7, of the Fridley City C e to increase the
height of a fenoe in the front yard fran 4 feet to 5 feet 2 inches to allow the
c�struction of a fenoed play area on Lot 7, Block 3, Innsbruck 5th Addition,
the same being 1504 Windemere Driv�e.
NYJ'rION by Dr. Vos, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, tA open the public hearing.
UPON � A VOICE WTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIltPERSOI�T BARNA DFICS.Ai2ID TI� PCTSLIC HEARING
OPF�i AT 7: 32 P.M.
C�airperso�n Barna read the Ac�ninistrativ�e Staff Report:
AUMINISTRATIVE S'I'AF�' REPORT
1504 Win�re Drive N.E.
VAR #88-08
• ' ' • � `I �1.'!1' tF� : • �• �' ? 1�1
Section 205.04.06.A,(7), re�quires that any fence, wall or natural hedge shall
not exoeed 4 feet in height within the limits of the front yard in all
residential districts. .
APPEALS CCt�'LISSION N�rING, N1P,Y 24, 1988 PAGE 2
Public puzpose sezv�d by this requiremexit is to prevent excessively tall
fences in orcler to maintain the attractability of a residential zone.
B. STAZ� i�SFIIP:
"We have three children urr3er th�e age of 3 and need a secure, fenced play
area in the front yard. Bac7c yard has a swiinni.ng pool."
C. AlatiIlVISI'RATIVE STA�'F REVIEVJ:
The new fence (mostly ca�leted) will enclose a play area in front of the
fayer entrance of the house. It exte_nds 14 feet into the front yard and
i.s 5 ft. 2 in. high. The playground equiparent that it enca�sses is
installed behind the front of the house.
If the Doard approv�es this request, staff has n�o stipulations to suggest.
Mr. Clark show�ed an aerial photo of the property. He stated oonstruction of the
fenoe was almost vonQleted before the petitioner was �are that she needed a
height varianoe. He stated �ere was a pool in the back yard and sane terracing
because of the diffezential in vertical elevatioaz. He was t,old by the petitioner
that there was not enough level area in the back yard, exoept where the swimning
pool was, to vonstruct a play area.
N15. Odsan stated that, as stated in the hardship, they have three fairly young
ciiildren. It was not.safe for them t,o play in the back yard because of the pool
and because there was not sufficient level area i.n which to oonstruct a play area.
Fbr these reasons, they felt the best and safest plaoe to put a play area was in
the front yard. Zhey felt a 4 ft. high fenoe was nat high enough for safety.
Their 3-year old v�uld a]imst climb over a 4 ft. fenoe. Zhey were hoping a 5 ft.
2 indz fenoe wauld help �noeal the play ��; pment fran the street which would
m�intain the attractiveness of the neic�vorhood. The fenoe would nat arily protect
her children but would help preverit ather cizildren from ooming into the play area.
Ms. Odson stated tY�ey cb have the same ty�e of fencing (aged oedar) in the back
yard so the fencing in the front yard w�ould matdz the back yard fencing.
NiS. Odson shawed a picture of the back yard. She stated that because of the
elevation, there was nat muc� room to put any play equipment in the bacJc yard,
and they did n�t think it was a cJood idea to have a play area back �ere with a
swinming pool. They did loolc at sat�e alternatives and decided to go ahead with
a p�.ay area in the front yard after seeing a similar fenoed play area in a front
yard in the neighborhood a�uQl,e of blocks away. She believed the house was in
Coliunbia Heic�ts. She stated they knew �ey did nat need a perntit t� o�nstruct
the fenoe, but did not realize there were any ather restrictions such as a height
restriction.
Mr. Barna stated the fenae does wver the frcnt door. He would be oonoerned abaut
the fact that wi� �e fmnt c�or �noealed frcm view, it would be attractive to
burglaries. Had Ms. Odson aonsidered that possibility?
Ms. Odsoci stated she had not, but they do ha�e r�eighbors on both sic�es who do
watch the house closely and who would probably n�tioe if sarething was qoing on.
APPEAIS �SSION N�TIlJG, N��i' 24, 1988 PAC£ 3
D�. Vos ask,ed if there wese any fire regulati�s regarding the fact that the front
door w�uld be behind a fenoe.
Nh�. Clark stated there were rbt as long as there was aocess throuc� a gate.
Ms. OdsoaZ stated that if the Appeals Ocnsni.ssion does not appn�ve the varianoe,
they wvuld have to a�npletely take apart the fenoe to lawer it. 7�ey would cb
that if it was nevessaYy.
Mr. Bryan Staut stated l�e was President of the Innsbruck Ha�vwryers Assocatioaz.
The Innsbruck Hctmec�mers Association enoca�passes �l�nbia Heights and �idley . He
stated he was at the meet;*� at the request of seven me�ers of the Association
who had aslqed him to repzesent their views regarding this varianoe request.
Mr. Stout stated he wanted to imke it clear that this was not the opinion of the
Innsbruck Haneowners Association. He was speaking strictly on behalf of the seven
individuals to represent their vpinions and to address the Coinnission in like
mazuier. All of the individuals wished to remzin anonyirous at this time.
Mr. Stout stated the individuals have an endearing vo�oern for the need the Oc7.son's
have for a fenoed play azea for their dlildren. Zhe Odson's have three small
children and a swinming pool in the back yard which is landsca�ped to some degree.
Hvwever, these individuals have e�ressed the vcncern that the fence in the front
yard would be a negative influenve upari, not aily the Odson's property, but the
psoperty values in �he rreighborhood. He stated the praperty ta�s in this neighbor-
hood are sanewhat above the "norm" for the region. The individuals feel the fenoe
was abjectionable to them and a oonoern t�o them and felt the fenoe oould be a long
term thing and would be a r�egative influenoe on the environment of the neighborhood.
Nh�. Stout stated the Odson's abviously put a lot of thought, vonsideration, and
mcnetaty e�ense into the oonstruction of the play area. He stated he was asked
by the seven individuals to view the fence. He stated he had c3�ne so and had found
the play area well oonoealed, w�ell thouc�t out, and w�ell crnstructed. The aged
cedar fenoe was aesthetically pleasing. Tl�e play area looked to be of sand or
pea gravel in nature, and it enoo�assed the area descxibed.
Mr. Stout stated the individuals did discuss the matter with him, and they felt
they did riot want tA set a preoedent in the neighborhood for fenoes or barricades
in the front yard for whatever reasrn, both in the Fridley area and the Coltmibia
Heights area. �ere is a fenve in the fror�t yard of a residenve on Arg�nne Dz'iv�'-
in Cpltimbia Heic�ts which may or maY nat be within the boun8s of the Coltmibia
Heights' regulation or oocle. He had r�ot been asked to c�ec)c into that situation.
N�. Stout stated these individuals knew that the Odsrn's w�e.re naa neighbors and
did not want to be belligerant or cause trouble, but simply wanted to state their
views. He stated that in discussing this with them, he explai�d to them that
the Odson's oould imdify the fenve and lvwer the fen�e to 4 ft. which was required
by City Code a�d the fenoe oould re.mzin for an indefinite period of time. �ese
;*�;viduals dp object ta the fenoe at any height, but they did agree they would
�uch rather have the fienoe l�eft at 5 ft. 2 in. for a finite period of time (2-3
years) than tA have the fenoe for an indefinite period of time at 4 ft. whic3l was
Q�c3e.
APPEALS Q�SSION MEE'I�TG, N�Y 24, 1988 PAC£ 4
Mr. Stout stated these individuals were requesting the foll,vwing limitaticns:
(1) that the fenoe be limited to a finite period of time (1-2-3 yeaz`s) ;(2) that
�.f the varianoe is granted, that the vari�nc� nat transfer to ariy naa h�ireowners
of the property; arid that if the residenoe was sold, the fenoe w�uld be taken dawn.
Ms. Odson stated it was she and her husband's intaition to only have the fenoe up
�til their diildren were old enough to be allaaed to play in the back yard. If
it wr�uld make the neighbors happy, she would be willing to �� with so��e kind
of agreeable time line. She stated she did have letters fran the neighbors on
either side of �em who did rr�t obj ect tA the fenoe in the frrnt yard.
Mr. Barna stated the City has rr� mechanisn far limiting the fenoe for a certain
period of time. 7ize Oa�unissiori Qould re�nd a stipulatic� that the Ods�'s
reo�rd on their deed (whidz was an aclded expense) that the varianve would riot be
transferrable tA any new owr�er. Zhe City oould not guarantee that it would be
done. He stated that sinoe �e (Xnrtnissioaz has no formal abjection f�,�n anyone and
the Cc�nission approves the varianoe unanim�usly, the petitioner can finish the
fenoe• Zhe vananve n�zmally gc�es with the property, and it w�uld be very difficult
to m�nitor it if the varianoe went with the property owner,
N�. Stout stated he was tryinq to find a happy mec�itun betw�n the people request
ing the varianoe and the people who are objecting to the oonstruction of the fenoe.
If he can 9et bath parties to reach a decisica� that will make everyarie happy, then
he would feel he had reg�resented every�one satisfactorily.
Mr. Barna stated the reasrn they establish a hardship is so that oaice a varianoe
is granted, it does rnt autc�cnatically pass c�ni the block or set a prececi�erit.
Zhey can �ke this varianoe for this particular fenve for this particular property
in this particular oonfiguratioai.
Ms. Savage asked Mr. Stout if it was wrrect to say that even if the fenoe was
at 4 feet, the individuals he was representing would abject to the fenoe at any
height.
N�. Stout stated that was oorrect. That was why he had articulated to them that
the fenoe wuld rem-�in in the front yard if it was m�dified tb meet the vode at
4 ft. and that the fenoe would then be 1ega1 and pern�nent. E�,en thouqh they
°b7ect t° the fenoe. theY realize this is a situation where the fence is neecled
because of youir� diildren, but that the dzildren will grvw older and then there
will no longer be the need far a fence and the fenoe can be rem�ved.
Mr. Clark stated that maybe the petitiar�er can have scn�e kind of ac�reeaent drafted
13'iat would be agreeable to both parties regarding the timeframe for the fenae, but
something that the City does nat have to get inwlved in. The Appeals O��nission
mic,�t want to wait to act on this varianoe tmtil that agreenerit is reach�ed, or they
mic�t want to �ke a reocem�endatiari to the City pouncil that the City Q�uncil review
it after the agreenerit is dr�wn up.
Mr. Stout stated the Inrisbruck gomeaaners Association is an incozporated and duly
fo�ned assoeiation with prc7per bylaws and recorc�ed mi.nutes. It has existed sinoe
the mid to late 1960's. Zhe rnasrn the Association �ras forn�ed was because part
of the pro�*-+-; es wei�e in Fridley and p,art were in �l�bia Heights and the area
was oonsidered "prime". He stated the rrext scheduled meeti� for the Association
was in the fall of 1988.
APPEAIS OC�NA�SSION ME�1NG, N�,Y 24, 1988 PAC£ 5
Mr. Stout ask�ed that a transcript of these Appeals Oomnission minutes be sent t�
the Innsbruck H�ers Associaticn.
Mr. Staut asked Ms. Odson if she wauld be willing to txy to oane to sare kind of
1ega1 agreement ori the length af time the fenoe would be up.
NiS. Odsoa7 stated it has always been their intention that the fenoe and play area
would be a te�ary situation, and they are willing to oane to scme agr�eeirent
with the Innsbnzck Haneowr�ers Associatifln.
MnI(JN by Dr. Vos, sea�nc3ed by Mr. Sherek, to close the pubLic hearing.
I]PON A WICE VOTE, ALL VO►rING AYE, QiAIF�ERSCIV BAFtNA I�CZARED � PUBI,IC HEARING
CIlJ6ID AT 8:10 P.M.
Nis. Savage stat�ed she did mt think the fenae in the front yard was vezy attractive;
hvw�ever, she �uld understand the need for a fenoec�in play area for smzll ciZildren.
She had ].00ked at the property, and there was really no other plac� ti�,at oould be
used for a play area. She felt a hardship had been shc�wn in the f�:�t that there
was a need for a safe fenoed play area for the small children. ;__��: �tated she would
be in favor of granting the varianoe with the stipulation that Nls. Odsce� work on
a� agre�ment with the Innsbruck Honevwners Association.
N�. Sherek stated he did not have a problem with the hardship. He did see the need
for the safe play area for the dzildren. �ey are looking at a differenoe of
14 indles, and the Odson's oould have a 4 ft. fenoe without anyone's permission.
Z'ne functicnality would be inprc�ved by izcreasing the height to 5 ft. 2 in. as
requested by the petitioner. He did not think the looks of the fenoe was that
detrimerital to the neighbo�ood. He was not in favor of granting the varianoe
oontingent upon a potential agreen�ent bt�a�een the Odson's and the Innsbruck Hoire-
c�niers Association, when the next meeting was not scheduled tmtil fall. �ere was
always the possi.bility that an agreement c�uld mt be reacl�d because of an objeo-
ti� at that time. For that reason, he would be in fawr of granting the varianoe
without the stipulation, looking at what has already been done and believing that
the Odson's would do things that would benefit their neighborYiood, including taking
daam the fenoe when it was np longer neoessaty. He would like to add a stipulation,
however, that this varianoe be for this particular fenoe in this particular loca-
tica� for this particular PrapertY•
Mr. Kuechle stated he thought the fenoe was a good architectural addition to the
house. He w�uld prefer, hawever, to see the fenoe at 4 feet rather than 5 ft. 2 in.
He would agree with Mr. Sherek that they deperr3 on the Odson's good faith t� take
ddw�r the fenoe in a few years �en the dlildren are older and the fenoe is no longer
needed. He would a�prove of the varianoe as reque.sted.
Dr. Vos stated he did object to the fenve. He thaught it was ugly. The whole
neighborhood has nicely landscaped front yards, and then there is this PrapertY
with a oedar fenoe in the frmt yard. �he fence will turn gray with age which
will not match the hwse whicii is white with a brick front. He stated he also did
not see a hardship. Zhe Ods�'s were new in the neighbarhood: and when �ey
p�'c�ased the property, they were aware there Was no room in the back yard for a
play area, and they macie that choioe. He would nat be in favor of granting the varianoe.
APPEAIS 0.�SSICN NEETING, 1�,Y 24, 1988 PAC� 6
Mr. Barna stated he did see the hardship with yotmg dzildren, a sloping back yard,
and a swinuning pool.
Dr. Vos stated he lived in a house with a back yard that slaped to a creek, and
he had two small dlildren. He did r�at feel c�ildren should be �sidered a
hardship.
MyI'ICN by Ms. Savage, seoc�ded by Mr. Sherek, tA approve Variance l�equest,
VAR 88-08, by S�an Ods�, pursuant to Chapte� 205.04.06.A, (7) , of the Fridley
City Qode to increase the height of a fenoe in the front yard fran 4 feet to
5 feet 2 indzes to allaa the wnstruction of a fenced play area on Lot 7, Block 3,
Ir�sbrudc 5th Addition, the same being 1504 Windemere Drive with the reca�arnnda-.
ticn that the Odson's arc�d the Iru�sbruck Homea�mers Associatio� work together on
an agreement for a time period for the fenoe and with the stipulatiari that this
varianoe be anl� for this garticular fence in this particular location; haaever,
it was not the intention of the �ppeals Qoatmissica� to set a preoedent for this
type of varianoe.
LJPCN A WICE W�I�, BA1�1A, SAVAGE, SFiEE2II�, KL]EC�iIE VO'I'ING AYE, V06 VdPING NAY,
Q-Ip1Z�RSpN gAid�il� D�CL,ARED 'IIiE M7rI�1 CARRIED BY A VOTE QF 4-1.
Mr. Barna stated that because there was an objection fran a Carnnission member,
this it�em va�uld go to the Gity O�uncil far final action on Jtme 20.
2. CCNSIL�RATICN OF A VARZANC� F�EJQL�ST, VAR #88�09, BY T.C.F. BArII{ING & SAVIlQG, F.A.:
Pursuant to Chapter 205.15.05.D,(4),(c), o the Fridley City Code to reduoe the
driveway curb opening to the nearest partion of a ric�t-of way frocn 75 feet to
�2 feet; and pursuant to �apter 205.15.05.C,(1), of the Fridley City Code to
reduoe the n�er of garking spaoes f�n 39 spaces to 32 spaoes tA allow drivavay
ingress/egress relocation and the expansion of a drive-up fran 2 lanes to 4 lanes,
l�ocated on the West Ztao Hurydred Seventy-five (275) feet of L�t 5, EXCEPT the North
�irty-six and S'axty-seven Hundredths (36.67) feet thereof, Auditor's Subdivision
No. 153, Anoka Qounty, Minn�esota; subject to the rights of the public higraaay on
the West Fifty (50) feet and the South �aenty-five (25) feet of said premises,
and together with an easement for wa]kway and road purposes aver the East Fifty
(50) feet of the West Zl�ree Hundred 'Itaenty-five (325) feet of IAt 5 EXC�PT the
ilorth Zhirty-six and Sixty-seven Hurr3redths (36.67) feet thereof, the same being
5205 Central Av�nue N.E.
M7rICN by Ms. Savage, seoo�ded by Dr. Vos, to o�peri the public hearing.
i�PCCN 'A VOI(� W�I�, ALL VC1rING AYE, QiAIRPERSC�t BAFd� DEQ�ED ZHE PUBLIC HE�2ING
OPS�T- AT 8: 22 P. M.
Q�airperson Barna read the Adininistrative Staff Rep�rt:
ALINII�TISTRATIVE STAF'F REPOF�C
5205 Gentral Avenue N.E.
VAR #88-09
APPFAIS ��SSICN NE'ETIlJG, 1�1Y 24, 1988 PAC� 7
A. PUS.IC P�RP06E SE�1m BY 1ZDQIJIRF?�IJ�:
Section 285.15.a5.D,(4),(c), of•the Fridley City Code requires that
wrbing oonstruction be in acoordance with curbing specifications on file
at the City.
Public purpose setved by this requireoent is to reduce traffic oongestion
at intersectians.
Sectian 285.15.85.C,(1), requires at least ane parking space for each 150
eq. ft. of building floor area in a C-3 district.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to provide sufficient
off-street parking for any given use.
B. STATIDBAT�IP:
'Change in driveway location at southwest �trance to better align with
interior traffic mwenent. Convert fran 2 drive-up lanes to 4 drive-up
lanes to relieve traffic spill-over by quicker handling. Persons in
drive-up holding area lessen need for parking."
C. STAFF REVIFW :
T.C.F. is proposing to increase the ru�nt�er of drive-up windows from two
to four. In oonjunction with this, they are proposing to relocate the
garking in the extrene w�estern end of the site to the eastern side of
that driving aisle so that wstomers will not have to cross the exiting
drive-t.hrough traffic. �is redesign of the driveway systen creates the
need to mave the most w�esterly driveway on 52nd to the west so that a
sharp turn for exiting traffic is not necessary. �is relocation of the
driveway creates the variance which is being requested which is for a
driveway closer to the intersecti� of right-of-way lines from 75 feet
required to 42 feet proposed. �e redesiqn also results in a reduction
of a rnant�er of parking stalls on site which reduces the number to 32
spaces with 39 provided to meet the oode.
Staff has worked out an agreement between the Skywood Mall managing
agents and the T.C.F. people whereby Skywood will allaw T.C.F. to install
a segarate 24 foot wide driving aisle in Skywood's existing 57 ft. wide
driveway off 52nd, for the Bank's drive-through traffic. In return,
T.C.F. will install the required planting median which Skywood Mall
failed to implement with the expansion. Skywood has also agreed to
prbvide an easement for eaployee parking for T.C.F. on the vacant
property w�est of the Skywood parking area. If approvec], T.C.F. would not
need the parking variance. Although these arrangements are not yet
_ finalized, it appears that the parties have reached an agreenent.
,Staff suggests that the variance for driveway setback be approved with
-_the stipulations that (1) T.C.F. will wcrk with Skywood Mall to aoquire a
!- separate entrance for the drive-through operation; (2) T.C.F. will
install necessary curbing, landscaping, and sprinkling as indicated on
the approved plan; (3) T.C.F. will work with Skywood to acquire and
ia�rove the parking area for Bank employees; (4) T.C.F. will provide
additional landscaping just west of the existing easterly border along
with automatic sprinkling; (5) T.C.F. will develop and seek approval for
a directianal signage prograQa for the proposed circulation system; (6)
T.C.F. will �rork with staff to im�prove the screening for the dunpster and
utility equipaent located on the north end of the site; (7) T.C.F. will
supply a performance bond in the amount of $10,000 to cover the
agreec�u�poc� site improvements; (8) All of the outlined improveaer�ts will
be installed and functional prior to the operation of the expanded
clrive-through area.
APPEALS QONIIKISSI(N METING, Ng�Y 24, 1988 PAC£ 8
Mr. Clark showed the �nissioners a site plan and the areas where varianoes
were needed. As stated in the Staff Report, TC:E' has a verbal agreement with
Skywood Mall for e�loyee parking. If this arrangement is made, TC�' will not
ryeed a parkinq vari�oe. Staff was reaa�r�ending apprwal of the driveway setback
with the eic�t stipulatio�s listed in the Staff Report.
Mr. Rabert Galush stated he was in Facilities Managenent for ZCF. With him
was Barbara Cappelletti� Brandl Manager for TC�F'. He stated he had brought a
oapy of the praposed plan whidz he had just received fran the architect that day.
He reviewed the plan with the �issian.
Dr. Vos asked if ZCF felt that with m�re drive-� windaws,�there would be less
need for as much parking.
NiS. Cappelletti stated, yes, definitely. �he reason m�re peaple do mt utilize
the drive-up windows naw was because the 1ir�es are just too long.
Mr. Galush stated they not only want to put up twr� more drive-up lanes, but they
also want to use scene new stat:�of-the-art equipm�nt. What they have now is getting
antiquated. At their An�ka TCF facility, they put in new pneiunatic tubes which
go overhead, and they are very fast. They have a problem with breakdowns for the
tubes that go urr3erground because when sarecne loads the carrier and it sinks dawn,
then it doesn' t m�ve. It smnetimes takes t�ro days to get it repaired so that lane
has to be closed. If they put the tubes overhead with twin blaaers, if it dr�as
the carrier up, it is going tA carry it through. They are using this type of tube
in Anoka, Roseville, Hic�land, Apple Ualley, and Bzndclyn Park, and it w�rks v�ry
well. C1istAmers like it because it speeds up the transactions. �ey a]so found�
anather madzine they oould aoqui_re called a Cash Dispensing Mac�ine which elimi-
nates the need for the teller to o�unt the maney. The average transacti� takes
aba�t 47 se�nds fran the time the teller takes the carrier out of the tube and puts
it back into the tube. So, through the latest technology, they have bee.n able to
acvcnq�lish what is the ultimate for them--to handle the transactions as fast as
possible for the custaner.
Mr. Kuechle stated he felt there aould be same traffic oongesti� with cars
coming cut of the shopping mall going west ari 52nd and cars ooaning out of TGF'
also going w�est an 52nd and then turnirig left (south) at the traffic signal at
52nd/Highway 65.
Dr. Vos stated he thought the traffic flaa wvuld be a little better inproved
if the drive-in was mwed irore tA the east.
Nir:�Galush stated he has wr�rked very closely with Jim Robinson, Planriing
Coordinat�or, whose ideas and suggestions were very good and helpful. He really
appreciated Mr. Rabinson's assistanoe. He stated he felt these i.nprov�ements
would help the Skyw��od Mall area also, a�d would be a great aesthetic i�rove-
ment to the entire area.
Nls. Savage asked if Mr. Galush felt that things would wr�rk out with Skywood Mall
so TCF would nbt need the parking stall varianoe.
APPEAIS �NMISSION D'EETING, NgLY 24, 1988 PAC£ 9
Mr. Galush stated that all indications w�ere that they will be able to oarie to an
agreeinerrt with Skywood Mall for parking where the parking varianoe will not be
�eded.
Ur. Vos stated they have to c.ro�sider batiz variances because there was no acmee-
merit at this time.
M7►�IQJ by Dr. Vos, seoonded by Ms. Savage, to close the public hearing.
UPCN A VOICE VO'I�, ALZ VOTING AYE, QiAtRPERSC7IV BAE�IA UEQARED �iE PiIBLIC HF�ARING
QiOSID AT 8:50 P. M.
Dr. Vos stated he thought arYything would i�rove the present ingress and egress.
He stated he has banked at this 'rCF sinoe 1970, and he felt these inproven�ents
would hlep both tiie parking ar�d the ch�ive-in banking traffic.
Nis . Savage stated she agreed. Anything that was was gr�ing to i�rove the appear-
anve of the gerieral mall area would be �nelanne. Zlzere oertainly needed to be sane
m�re green area as so m�ch of the mall area was blacktAp. She stated the plan
see�red w�ell thouc�t out and well planned. Staff has warked with TCF and Staff was
revcarurending the varianoe witl� the stipulations autlined in the staff report.
Mr. Kuechle stated he wvuld aLso agree. He was still ocnoerned about the traffic
exiting oa�to 52nd and then turning south on Hi� 65, but he did not have a
solution for that problem He would re�nd approval of the varianoe with the
stipulations.
Nir. Barna agreed. He stated a lot of planning has gone into this, and staff has
been actively inwlved in th� :�lanning. He wauld be in favor of the varianoe.
IKnIC1N by Mr. Kuechle, seo�nded by Ms. Savage, to rearrurend to City Council
a�proval of varianoe request, VAR #88-09, by T.C.F. Barilcing & Saving, F.A.,
pursuant to Chapter 205.15.05.D,(4),(c), of the Fridley City � tA reduce the
driveway curb apening to the nearest portion of a right-of-way fran 75 feet to
42 feet; and pursuant t� Chapter 205.15.05.C,(1), of the Fridley City Coc3e to
reduoe the rnm�ber of parking spaoes from 39 spaoes to 32 spaoes, to allvw driv�way
ingress/egress relocation and the expansion of drive-up fram 2 lanes to 4 lanes,
located o� the West Ztao Hundred Seventy-five (275) feet of Lot 5, EX(�PT the
North 'Ihirty-six and Sixty-sev�n Htmdredths (36.67) feet thereof, :,.�;'.�tor's Sub-
Division P7o. 153, Anoka �iuzty, Minnesota, subject ts� the rights vs t�ze public
highway an the West Fifty (50) feet and the South Ztaenty-five (25) feet of said
premises, and together with an easement for walkway and road purF.�oses aver the
Eas� Fifty (50) feet of the West Zhree H�►dred �aenty-five (325) feet of Ir�t 5
E�'r the North Thirty-six and Sixty-seven HLmdredths (36.67) feet thereof, the
sa�e being 5205 Qentral Avenue N.E., with the follaaing stipulations:
1. T.C.F. will work with Skywood Mall to avquire a separate entranoe
for the drive-throuc� operation.
2. T.C.F. will install neoessazy curbing, landscaping, and sprinkling
as indicated on the a�praved plan.
3. T. C. F. wi 11 work with Skywood to aoquire and i�rove the parking area
for Ba�k e�layee.s.
4. T.C.F. will provide additional landscaping just west of the existing
easterly border along with automatic sprinkling.
APPEALS OCIM�IISSION I�TIlVG, I�►Y 24, 1988 PAC£ 10
5. T.C.F. will develap and seek a�pr�val tor a di=ectirnal signage
program for t�►e prq�osed circulation systen.
6. T. C.F. will work with staff t,o i�rove the screeniixJ for the ci�m�r
ster a�rd utility equipa�ent located on the north end af the site.
7. T.C.F. will supply a performanc�e borrl in the �munt of $10,000 tA
ayver the agreec�upon site inprvvem�ts.
8. All of the outlined i�rov�ments will be installed and functional
prior to the aperation of the e�arx3ed drive-through area.
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3. �IDEFiATIC1[�T OiF' A VARIANC� Ft�JQL�ST, VAR �88-10, BY JOE NE�.SOT1:
Pursuant to Ch�ter 205.07.03.D, (2 ,(c) , 1, of the FYidley City Code to reduce
the side yard setback on a oorner lot from 17.5 feet to 5.5 feet to allaw an
additio� to aaz eadsting attadzed garage L�cated cn IAt 20, Block 1, Spring Valley
Additioai, the sare being 1357 - 64th Avesiue N.E.
I�DTI�J by Nls. Savage, semnded by l�h�, Sherek, t,o open the public hearing.
UPGN A WICE VO'I�, ALL VOTING AYE, QiAIRPERSCN BA.�TA IECZAF�D THE PUBLIC HEARING
OPIIJ AT 9:00 P.M.
p�ai marson Barna read the Ac�ninistrative Staff i?eport:
� I V ;�;����y
1357 - 64th Av�ue N.E.
VAR #88-18
A. RIBLIC PI�tP06E SF.RVF� BY R�Q()It�;
Sectian 285.87.83.D,(2),(c),(1), requires that the side yard setback on a
street side of a oorner lot shall not be less than 17.5 feet.
Public purpose served by this requiresnent is to maintain a higher degree
of traffic visibility arid to reduce the 'line of sight" encroaciment into
the neighbor's front yard.
8. BTATF.D B�IP:
-:=-1. The present setback fran the east lot line does not allaw me the full
utilization of the 75 ft. frontage that I own.
2. Addinq an additianal detached garage, regardless of its size, does
n4t l�d itself to an eff icient plot plan, in that valuable back yard
spaoe w�ould be oonsuned.
3. Aooess to an additianal detached garage would not be acceptable due
to the �nimprwed conditian of the sic3e street easeaent.
4. I presently vwn three vehicles plus snowmobiles and a trailer, all of
which are worthy of protection fran the elenents and pcssible theft.
14ddin9 the space as requested would allaw me to protect my personal
property.
APP�AIS Q;.'�II�IISSICN NEEI'ING, I�1Y 24, 1988 PAGE 11
5. Presently I aan parking ane vehicle in the driveay. This results in
having to oonstantly ehuffle vehicles depending on which vehicle is
driven on a given day.
6. Parking in the street is oongested resulting in an inconvenience to
my neighbors and increases the possibility of damage to those
vehicles.
7. An acldition, as proposed, wuuld result in an aesthetically pleasing
structure with logical and oonv�ient access. Making the addition
attached rather than detached should increase�the value of my
property and I assume would therefore reflect favorably to the
property values of my neighbors.
C. SPAF�' REVIS�I:
The petitioner's lot is a corner lot of which the side streeet is
taiimproved. �e right-of-way for this proposed street is 50 feet wide,
34 feet of which was dedicated fran this lot during n former lot split.
�e City has no immediate plans to improve the street and may never
improve it depe�ding upon what future development would take place in
this super block. If, i�ow�.�ver, the Board approves this request, staff
has ra stipulations to sugges*_.
N�. Clark stated this i�s rathe�' a]arge block, en��assed by 64th Avenue ca� the
east, Mississippi Street oci the mrth, and Central Avenue on the w�est. He stated
it was Logical to dedicate street ric�t-of�way and put a street down the middle
f�n p,rthur to O�entral if other property owr�ers should split their lats. Hvwever,
� street has been designec� or is being planned at this time. Zhe Gity does not
even knaa if the street will ever be put in. It wvuld depend upon whether the
P�P�Y owners in the neighi�orhood want to divide up their pn�perties. A typical
lot in this block is 125 ft. by 300+ ft., nearly three times the size of a normal
residential lat.
I�. Clark stated the petitioner would ]ike to add 12 feet rnto the east side of
his existing garage and extend the garac�e back d�ble deep. �he additional garage
spaoe wnuld be 582 sq. ft. for a total garage area of 1,000 sq. ft. In order to
build this ac�itional garage spave, the petiti�er is requesting a side yard
varianoe fYVn 17.5 feet from the street ric�t-of�aay t� 5.5 feet. be showed
the. Conmissiociers a picture taken fran the strnet whidz show�ed fihe easterly end
of the garage and the uni�roved street.
I�, C1ark stated tnat if the street was ev�er put in ar if the street was there
a� �ady, N�. Nelscn mic�t have elected to put a detad�ed garage in �e rear yard
with a separate driveway entranc�e orito the naa street. However, that was nat an
apti.on tnday, because there are rio plans for a street.
Dr. Vbs asked how far the garage wauld be fran the rear lot line.
I�. Ne].son stated it wauld be 45+ feet fran the rear lot lir�e.
APPEAIS OL1NA'�SSICN NEErIl�TG, Ng�Y 24, 1988 PAC� 12
I�. Nelson stated if he would canstnict a detached garage, it w�uld sit on about
the cnly grassy area he has available ric�t naa. By adding the garage as he has
prq�osed, it w�uld leave him with a nice green grassy area with trees and shade
in the back yard. If he oonstructed a detached garage, it would fill up more of
the back yard because he has to stay back 17.5 feet fran the east lat line and
there is a utility easement cn the rear lot line.
Dr. Vos asked if there was rr� st�et prablem on the east side and there was a
house oaz the next lot, haa far aaaay fran the lot line could Mr. Nelson build a
g�a�?
Mr. Clark stated if the City vacated the street, Mr. Nelson w�uld first gain
another 34 feet, but even if he did not gain anothex 34 feet, he oould build the
garage 5 feet fran the lot line, and he would nat need a varianee.
Dr. Vos stated the reasca� for the variance then was because of the situation of
a no�existing street.
Ms. Savage asked if there was ariy prooed�e the petitioner could go through tA
request that the City vacate the street easement.
Mr. Clark stated he did nat think staff would want to reoaYmend the street be
vacated tmtil it is }mown how the whole block is going to develop. There was
always the possibility the street will be needed in the future; but orioe the ease-
�nt is gone and a development cloes occur, it wauld be very, very difficult to get
that easement back.
NDTICN by L�. �7os, seo�nded by Ms. Savage, to close the public hearing.
c�a�r A wzc� varE, �, w�rzNC �, cx�xP�sarl s�A �c�� ��r�c �c
QA6ID AT 9:10 P. M.
Dr. Vos stated he clefinitely thought there was a hardship here. There is not an
existing street, but yet the petiti�er cannot build a garage withaut a varianoe.
If there was no street easen�nt, the petitioner �uld build a garage without a
varianoe. He had no objection to the variance as �sted.
Mr. Barna stated he agreed. He found it vezy difficult to te.11 so�reone he cannot
build a garage 5 feet fran an invisible street. He had no objection to the
variance.
M.nICN by Dr. 4�os, seoonded by N�. Kuechle, to approve varianoe request, VAR #88-10,
bY ���, puz'suant to Qiapter 205.07.03.D,(2),(c),(1), of the Fridley City
Q�de to reduoe the side yard setback on a oorner lot frcm 17.5 feet to 5.5 feet
to a11aa an addition tA an existing attached garage l�ocated ari Iat 20, Blocic 1,
Spring Valley Addition, the sane being 1357 - 64th Avenue N.E.
j�PCCIJ A VOIC� VO'I�, BAF�TA, SAVAGE, KLTEQ3IE. V06 � WT'.�TG AYE, SHEEtIIC WTING NAY,
�I1��SCN B�1� I�EC�IRID �HE N1C7rICN CARRIED BY A VO'I� OF 4-1.
APPEALS Q'�R�SSICN NEE7rING, N�,Y 24, 1988 PA(£ 13
Mr. Sherek stated he had wted against the m�tion, not because he objected to the
varianoe, but because he would like the City Qouncil to look at this situation.
In the event the street ever wc7uld go thr�ugh there, the garage w�ould be quite
close to the st,r�eet, and there aould be some problgns.
Mr. Barna stated that because of an objection by a Gatutussioa� memUer, this item
�„�ul,d go cn to City O�uncil for the O�uncil's final actiari on June 20.
4. OaJSIIERATION OF A VARIANCE iZEQLIEST, VAR #88-11. BY SOOTr F(IERSTFNBERG:
Pursuant to apter 205.0 .0 .B, 4) ,(a) , o the Fridley City e to increase the
mau�mun allvwable square footage of a garage fran 1,000 sq. ft. to 1,248 sq. ft.
(al.so exoeeds the square footage of the first floor area of the c�aelling unit)
on ?At 16 , Block 10 , D�nnay i�ce View Addition, the sa�ne being 550 - 57th Av�enue N.E.
MCyrION by Ms. Savage, seoonded by Mr. Kuechle, to dpen the public hearing.
tIPON A VOICE W�I�, ALL VO'I'Il�TG AYE, CHAZRP'ERSCN B�AF�1A DEC�RED 'II� PI]BLIC H FARING
OPII�I AT 9 :15 P.Ni.
Qzair�sson Barna read the Administrative Staff R�eport :
ADNBNISTRATIVE STAFF Rg'ORT
550 - 57th Avenue N.E.
VAR #88-11
A. PLBLIC PL'RP06E SERVED SY F�7QUIRENQ�IT:
Section 205.07.O1.B, (4) ,(a) , requires that a first acoessoxy builcling shall
not exoeed 100$ of the first floor area of the c�aelling unit or exoeed a
maxim�an of 1, 000 sq. ft.
P�lic purpose serv�ed by this rec�uirement is to nai.ntain the residential
quality of a neiyhUox�ood by limiting the size of acoessory structures.
B. STATED HARD6HIP:
"I have 2 boats, 2 snaand�iles, 6 cars, 3 imtorcycles, arx3 I want them und�er
oover to prevent vandalism and burglary."
C. ADN�TISTRATIVE STAFF REVIE�rJ :
Zhe faundation area of the existing house is 1, 037 sq. ft. �he area of the
"- exi.sting garage is 624 sq. ft. �e petitioner would like to double the size
of the garage to 1,248 sq. ft. by a�dinq oa�to the front of the existing
garage. The area of the lot is 10,125 sq. ft.
�e Board should determine the need and hardship before acting oaz this request.
Also please note by the survey that the existing garage does rx�t parallel the
side lot line. �e fmnt oorner is 3 feet frcm the east line and the back
oorner is 5 feet; therefore, if the Board apprav�es this request, it w�ould be
�eoessary for the petitioner to parallel the addition with the lot line to
maintain the minimun 3 feet setback. If the Board approves this request,
the staff has no stipulations to suggest.
APPEAI� Q�M�SSICN �Efi.ING, N�Y 24, 1988 PAC� 14 ,
Mr. Ftaerstenberg stated the biggest reason why he needed the l��r garage was
because he has had a lot of burglaries. His boat and mator w�ere stolen last
wiriter, and his h�use has been burglarized twioe. He shaaed the Qamlissioners
pictures of the vehicles he vwned.
I�. �erstenberg stated he has a very long driveway which is hard to shovel in
the wintert�m�e. He felt the expanded garage wc�uld improve the appearanoe of
his house because his driveway is v�xy cluttered with vehicles at this time. He
stated both neic�bors cn either side of him cb not abject to the addition as long
as the garac�e is built to meet Qode.
Ms. Savage asked Mr. Fuerstenberg if it wauld help his situation if he were to
expand his garage to 1, 000 sq. ft. which would �et Q�cle.
N�'. �.ierster�berg stated any extra spave wauld help, but he w anted tA get every-
thing under oover. He stated that with Lake Pointe Drive mm�ing behind his
Pr�Y, P�P� 9'�in9 by can see everythirig he aarLS, and people get ideas when
things are not under oaver.
Mr. i�cx�er Harald stated he lived next door at 560 - 57th Avenue N.E. He stated
he did not object to the garage e�ansion as long as it met Cbde and the 3 foot
side yard setbadc was maintai n�,
Mr. Steve Billings, City p�uncilntnober, stated he was a little bit familiar with
Mr. Fuerstenberg's garage. He st�ted approxin�ately 6-8 feet of the back of the
garage was storage area that is acoessed through a walk-in door and which cannot
be acoessed fmn the drive-in spaae in the garage. So, in effect, the usable
garage spaoe, instead of being 26 feet in lenqth, was really about 20 feet in
length. So► taking that into o�nsideration, the e�ansion rir. Fiierstenberg was
requesting actually bec�ne 6 feet less than that.
Dr. Vos asked if Mr. F�erstenberg �uld petition for a special use pennit for a
sewnd acc�essozy buildinq.
1�. Clark stated he had talked to Mr, F�ierstenberq about, that, but Mr. Ftxerstenberg
felt it would keep his vehicles irore seaire if he had oaie large building instead
of two smaller buildings.
1�..Barna stated he would say part of the hardship would.be that a second acoessozy builc�
ing w�ould use m�re green spaoe, whereas this garage expansion would only use
blacktopped driv�way spaoe.
Mr. C1ark stated if Mr. Fuerstenberg had a special use permit for a secand
acoessory building, he v�uld bui.ld up to 1,400 sq. ft.
Mr. Billings stated this is the third time in 1� w�eeks there has been vandalism
in this neighborhood, and it was a result of the Lake Poirite oonstruction. The
badc of the properties is m�re acoessible and it is a situation where the properties
front ari twr� streets, but the seccnd street is rx�t a typical resiclential street.
Dr. Vos stated he thought the hardship as stated by Mr. Flireste.nberg was not a
viable hardship.
ApPF,AIS QON�SSICN NE�ING, r+�Y 24, 1988 PAC� 15
Ms. Savage stated she agreed. A lot of peq�le wuld �� in witli the hardship
that they owned a lat of vehicles that needed to be enclosed.
N�. Barna stated the hardship was the fact that if a seoond acoessory bui�ding was
�tructed which wc�uld be allaaed by cocle with a special use permit, then the
petitioazer w�ould lose 3/4 of his back green spaoe. By e�anding his qarage,he
would be maintaining back yard green spave .
NDTICN by N�. Kuechle, seo�nded by Ms. Savage, to close the public hearing.
LJPCx1 A VOICE VdI�, AI,L WTING AYE, CIiAIRPERSON BAFd�1A IaECLARED � PUBLIC HEARING
Q�06ID AT 9:30 P.M.
Mr. Sherek stated he had a difficult time with this harashiP• He did not go along
with the hardship as stated by Mr. Barna. He stated building a seoond acoessory
building was not autamatic. Zhe petitioner m�ust apply for a special use permit
and that was s�ject to approval by the Planning Oa�ussioa� and City Council.
D4r. Barna stated that with a special use permit for a seoond acoessory building,
it is the responsibility of the City tA give a viable legal reasan for nat issuing
the special use permit; whereas with a variance request, it is up to the petitioner
to stat�e a viable hardship. He did not believe there have been vezy many special
use pe.zmits on residential properties that have been clenied.
Ms. Savage stated she shared scme of the saane feelings as Mr. Sherek. She was
v�noerned that by approving this varianoe request, tYyey would be opening the
door to people anung in to say� they have extra pro�PertY and need extra garage
spave. Zhere obviously were sane additional factors in this case--the fact that it
is m4re of a target for burglaries because of the developRrent behind the property
which �uld possibly distinguish it fran ather othez' situations, but she was n�t
sure about that.
Dr. Vos stated he felt only the neighbor to the east would be the one who would
have an objection. and that neighbor was in the audienoe and did nat object to
the expansioai. �e neighbor t�o the east wnuld not even see the garage. He stated
he had observed the property fran the Lake Pointe side and he lai�w what vould
happen when peopLe see what a person vwiLS. He stated l�e wauld be in favor of
granting the varianoe as requested because of the ccnstruction goir�g on bPhind
Mr. Fuerstenberg's ProP�Y•
Mr. Kuechl,e stated he would mt be in favor of the varianoe. He felt Mr-. �rs��rg's
r�eeds oould be met withaut a varianoe by going to 1,000 sq. ft. as allvwed by
(�ty Oode and applying for a special use pezmit for a se�nd acoessoxy buildirr�.
M7�ICN by Dr. Vos, seoonded by Mr. Sherek, to apprave variance requ�est, VAR #88-11,
�catt F�ierste.nberg, pursuant to ChaPter 205.07.O1.B, (4� ,(a) , of the Fridley
�� �� ����� �e ��nun aua,aable square footage of a garage fran 1,000
sq. ft. to 1, 248 sq. ft. (also exoeecls the square footaqe of the first floor area
of the c�ael l i nQ imit) an Lot 16, Block 10, Donnay Iak+e View Additioai, the s�re
being 550 - 57th Avenue N.E.
APPEALS 0.'�Il�lISSiCN I�,�'ING, N�,Y 24, I988 PAC� 16
LTP4�I A WIC� VOTE, BA� AND VC� WTIlVG AYE, SAVA�, KLE�ILE, AND SEiERII{ WTING
NAY. CHAIRPERSC7A1 B1�1A I�C��1RID � M7�ICtJ FAIIED.
Mr. Betzold stated that this item would go to City Council for final action on
Jur�e 20.
• � • •, i �a
MOTICN by Mr. Sherek, seoazded by Mr, Kuechle, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a
wioe vate, all wting aye, Chairperson Sarna declared the May 24, 1988, Appeals
G�unission meeting adjourned at 9:45 p.zn.
Respectfully sub ' tted,
..�_t..
Saba
Re rding Secretazy
0
CITY QF FRIDI�Y
APPEALS CCY��IISSICi�1 N�.�ING, JUI� 14 , 19 88
CAI�. TO Oi2DER:
Cnaixpers� Barna called the June 14, 1988, Appeals Coa�mission meeting to order
at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Alex Ba.rna, Diane Savage, Jerry 5he�e]c, Kenneth Vos,
Larry Kuechle
M�embers Absent: None
Others Present: Darrel Clark, Chief Building InspectAr
Stev�e BilLings, City Council
Richard Traczik, 12323 Gladiola, Coon Rapids
Et�gene & Louise Owczarzak, 8528 Mississippi Blvd., Coon Rapids
Jim Sac,krisan, Belt Line Constructian
APPF�JVAL OF MAY 24 , 19 88 , APPF�LS CQNMISSION M]NUTES :
MO2ION by Mr. 5herek, sewnded by Mr. KueGhle, to approve the minutes with the
following o�rrection on page 16, second paragragh: change "Betzold" to "Barna".
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VO�TING AYE, C�PERSON BARNF� DDQ� Tf� NIO►�ION
CARRIID UI�TIMOUSLY.
l. QONSIDERATION QF A 4'�RIF�IVCE RE�UEST, VAR #88-12, BY RICI��RU TRACZIK:
Pursuant to Sectian 205.07.03.D, 1), of the Fridley City Code to reduae the
front yard setback fram 35 feet to 15 feet to allaw the co¢�structio� of a new
single family hare with attached garage on Lot 13, Blor.k 1, Marion Hills
Additi�, the same being 5201 Pierve Street N.E.
MOTION by Dr. Vos, seconded by Ms. Savage, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOr!'E, AIS, Vd�ING AYE, CHAIltPP�2SON BARN1� D� TI� PUSLIC
HEARING OPII�T AT 7:32 P.M.
Chairperson Barna read the Ac�ninistrative Staff R�eport:
ALY�'tIlQISTRATIVE STAFF' REPOFtZ'
5201 Pierae Street N.E.
VAR #88-12
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVID BY RE�JIF�'IQ�T:
Section 205.07.03.D,(1), requires a front yan3 depth to be not less than
thirty-five (35) feet in a residential zorie.
Public purpose served by this *�,; rp�nent is to allav for off-street
parking without encroaching an the pubLic right-of-way and also for
aesthetic consideratiori to reduce the builcling "line of sight" encroach-
ment intA the neighUor's front yard.
APPEALS OQNY�iISSION 1�rING, JUNE 14, 1988 PAGE 2
B. STATID f�SHIP:
"Unique lot - unique design - unusual lot design"
C. AIaMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW:
This lot was one of four lots of �ich variances were granted in April
1979. TYii.s lot, as well as the lot to the r�orth, were granted 25 foot
front yard setbacks. The next one was granted a 30 foot setback, while
the most rr�rtherly of the four was allowed a 15 foot setbacJc. This
varianae was reappraved in August of 1986.
If the Appeals CoRmissio� appraves this request, staff has no stipulatio�s
to recacnnend.
Mr. Clark stated that with the proposed house plan, the garage would be placed
closest to the street with the house behind it. The house was octagon-shaped.
In the agenda was a drawing shaaing the elevations and haw the house would look
on the lot. He stated the faxther you go from the street, the more fi11 would
be required in order to build a hou.se on the lot. The site drops off quite
shazply.
Mr. Kuechle stated he would be oon�exned about what the setback was for the
lot just to the west.
Mr. Clark stated this lot was approved for a 15 ft. front yard setback and a
house was built at that setback. That lot was quite similar to the one bei.ng
discussed at this meeting. He stated this neighboring lot drops froan 98 ft.
at the street to 74 ft. in the back so there was a 24 ft. drop in elevation.
Mr. Traczik stated aft�er the last variance was approved for this lot, the
party who was going to build wanted to build a ha� that would have fit parallel
with the lot, but then their financing fell through and so did the deal. He
stated this house was a v�ezy unique design, but the lot was also unique. It
was a large lot, but the problem was the sharp drop in elevation. He stated
this house design w�ould fit Qn the lot vexy nioely and would give the harevwr�er
a beautiful view.
Mr. Ba.rna stated the Conmissian members had reoeived a letter from Douglas 4dzite,
5211 Fillmore St. N.E., who stated he had no abjection to the variance and
reoomY�ended the Appeals Conmissi.on apProve the varianoe .
MOTION by Ms. Savage, seoonded by Mr. Kuechle, to receiv�e the lett�er from
Dot�glas Whit�e, 5211 Fil]srore St. N.E., reoo�zre,riding approval of the variance.
UPON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q��II2PER.SCt�1 BARNA D�I�F� THE Ny0TI0N
CARRIFD UN1IP�IlNOUSLY.
MOTION by Dr. Vos, seconded by Ms. Savage, to close the public h�earing.
UPON A VOICE VOiI'E, AI�L VC)TING AYE, Q�,II�PERSON AAi� DDCLF�� THE F'UBIC I�ARING
CIIJS,ID AT 7:50 P.M.
APPE�II�S OCM`1ISSI�1 MEE.�II�1G, JLII�
14, 1988 PA� 3
Dr. Vos stat�ed he had no pro�
len with the hardshiP in this case. 2iye uniQue
P�� with the lot w�ere definitely a hardshiP•
�e Cannissioners �re�-
stated this design w�uld fit veiy nively or► the 1ot. For the saQne
�' ��� anted in 1986, stie woa�ld be i� fawr of granting
�asoa�.s the varianoe was 9r
��i�oe fran 35 ft. to 1S ft.
secoruled bY Mr. 5herek, to aPPr� varianoe recNest►
MO►TION by Ms• Sa�age� ��t ���,� 205.07.03.D, (1) , of the
VAR #88-12, by Richard Traczik. P :�tback from 35 feet to 15 feet to
Fridley City Code to red�oe the front y�° hame with attac�'ied gara9e on
�� �e �onstruct,io� of a new single fami.ly �ng 5201 Pierce Street N.E.
I,ot 13, Block 1, Marion Hills Addition, the same
UPON A VOICE VOI'E. ALL VOT]NG AYE, Ci�,IRPER-SON BA�N�' D� T� MOTION
C�,RRIFF� LJNANIl�X)SLY. .
2. QONSIDgtATION �' A VARIANGE R�2��T►
VAR #88-13, BY IIA ���G � �'T
LIl�1E OONSTRUCTION. I.I� •: Ci Code to reduoe the nunber
p�.s�t to Section 205.18.OS.A o� ���yn 20 .18.03.0 of tiye Fridley
of parkin9 stalls requir�% P� lot ooverage fran 40$ to 49.5$;
City Cade to increase the recivired �t r�d sicle yard
ad
p��t � Section 205.18.03.D.2 to ���� � �118.04.D.5,(d).
��� f�cn 30 feet t�o 25 feeth� �ace setback fram the main building
t,o reduoe the required mininan► ion of warehouse, ori Lot 3 and
fran 5 feet to 0 feet. ���. f� �� 7770 Rar�he� �d •
4, B]AC'�c 3, East Ranch
Ni0►TION by Ms. Savage, secondea bi' Mr. Ki�1e• t'O °�n � Public hearinq-
ZJpOTI A VOICE V�TE � ALL V�TING AYE, Q'�ZPER'�N BARNA DDCLARID T� ��'IC HEARING
OpF,�1 AT 7:53 P.M.
ChaiYpers� Barr�a read the Admi.nistrative Staff RePort:
St'AF'�' R�
777 0 � �''D
YAR �88-13
A, p�,IC PORP06E �ID � _
� Ssction 205.18.OS.A allows a reduction i.n Patking stalle when the
king stalls due to the Particular
p�wisian o� epa�e re�ired for par
�t�e of the proposed use or othe � o�i �a�widea t� s�tisfy
uz�t,eoessazY hardsluP. Adecluate cp� �
� �� � � �q�,y,red paricu�g stalls.
e��ed �, �is requiranent is to provide suff icient
Public P�Pos vea use-
of f-street Paz'kin4 f aac �Y �
��m 205.18.03.0 z�ec�uires the maxi.a►um percent of an area of a lot
allawed bo be oovered bY4� ma� bu�ildin9 ar�� all aooesso�Y sitt3le et;ozy
t�„ � dinss to mt exceed
p,pPFALS OC�TZISSI�1 1►�TING, JUt� 14, 1988 PAGE 4
Public PurPoee served by this requirement fs tc provide adequate open
epaoe areas arau�d i.ndustri.al stzvcttn�es fo� aesthetic ar�d fire fighting
guposes.
Sectian 218.18.03.D.2 r+equires a minimtan side yard setback of 30 feet
wi�ere a c�iveaay is to be p�vvided.
�� P�I�ose eeived by this requiranent is to pravide adequate open
sPaoe ar�eas araarl industrial stn�ctures fo¢� aesthetic aryd fire fighting
pwrposes.
Sectim 218.18.04, (5), td) s�equiires a11 parking and har+d surface areas to
be m closes than 5 feet fr+� the tre.in iuildirx,�.
Public Pu�pose served by this raquiran�t is to p�c�tect the build.ing from
iameoessary mai.ntenar�ce due to vehicles hitting the build.ing.
_ ,,. ,,. ►. • .�,,. -
'Need additiasal squaz+e fo�taqe fo� storage-materi.al harxilinq."
i ��� � j� • �. •�' �J
The petitianer, II,O II�gineering, is r+equesting eeveral variances in oQder
to e�ai�d tl�eir ware��ause facilities. In the past, the petitioner has
ma�de similar requests. A variance was granted in 1983 to increase the
aaad.axin lot owerage for an industrial building fram 408 to 45.5$ to
allow for the aai,sttvctim of a 8.775 equare foot additiai. Zn 1987, the
petitioner was granted a variance which wr�uld again i.r,crease the maximum
lot oovera�e fran 40$ to d6.5$ fa¢� a 1, O10 equare foot additi�.
The first variance z+equest is to reduce the n�anber o� o�f-street parking
spa�es requiired fram 103 spaces to 81 spaces. C1ur�ently. HA F�gineering
has 55 off- street parkirig spaces available. �e petitioner's site does
not have enough vacant land available to inereasepar king. Zb increase
the munber available, the petitioner has obtained a 50 �year lease froan
� P�P�Y �er t+o the m�c'th which w�wld allaa the sauth�x�xi 65 feet aF
� P�Pe�-Y � be useci f� perki=�. �is wwld increase the number of
Parking spaoes available to 81.
In o�c3er t� allvw fo� the voc�stnrtion o� a 4, 860 square foot warehouse
add.ition aad a 2,700 square foot office addition, the petitioner has
requested a varisr�ce which wvuid allav the maxim�► lot caverage f or an
industrial building to be increased from 408 to 49.5$. As stated
earlier, the petitioner has had two similar requests appraved in the
past. �e petitiaoer's i�arc3ship 8tates that more space is needed for
sto�age m�terial handl ing due to the growth of the c.aa�any., .Staff
disagr+ees with the validity of this hardship becauee it was noL created
bY the laa�d, but � c�eat�ed by the business itself.
Zi�e tr�i� variance request to z�ec�uc� the mininnin side yard eetback where
a c'�ivewray is p¢wided fran 30 feet to 25 feet is necessary because it
includes a portion of the building that is already built. The new
addition would be aligned with this existing building. The driveway
wauld be used for loadi.rx� ar�d tailaedinQ materi.als on to trucks.
APF�EAI.S QONi"tISSION MEE.TIl�IG, Ji7t� 14, 1988 PAGE 5
The fourth and final variance request is to reduce the required 5 foot
hazrl surface setback from the main building fro�n 5 fee� to 0 feet. If the
petitioner did provide the 5 foot hardsurface setback, an adequate
driveway width of 25 feet o�uld not be pravided, which in turn would
decrease the �anb�x of parkir�g spaoes the petitioner co�uld pc�ovide.
- Staff reoo�nds denial of this variance request for the following
reasoQ�s:
l. Zl�e 50 year lease agz�e��ent for parking is a short ternn solution.
The p�vperty a�n�er o�uld decide mt to � the lease af ter it expires
bec,ause he wants to develap the p¢�operty. �is would create a shortage
of parki,r�g avail abl e f aoc IIA FY�gir�eering.
2. ELO Ehgir�eesing ao�uld vacate the faciliti.es which might allow for a
bvsiness with a higher parking dPSnand to move in. This, again would
create a par}cin�g situatio� tr�e city does mt want.
3. It is obvious that ELO Engineering is outgrawing the facilities
available at the site. Zf they continue to graw, a new site would be
necessazy and the petitioner would mave, which leaves the City with a
vacant buildir�g and m ooaztrol c� what business and uses could mave in.
The high percent of lot cavera�e oould then be detrimental to the
P�P�tY •
Mr. Clark stated the petitianer was prapc�sing a 4,860 sq. ft. warehouse additi�
and a 2,700 sq. ft. office addition, and the varianoes were needed for that
exparLSion. He show�ed the Catmissiaiers soire pictures of hvw the pro�erty looks
now. Fran the pictures, he stated the CarRUSSioners wuld see that the property
was well kept and has been a good business for the City of Fridley. iiowever, as
indicated in the staff report, IIA is expanding more than what the lot will allow
and scme decisi� has to be made by the City as to �at the next step will be.
Mr. Clark stated the petitioner has indicated he has tried to pur�chase the land
to the r�rth for additional parking, but the aaner of that praperty just doesn't
want to sell it.
Mr. 3im Sackrison, Helt Line Constructian, stated he want�ed to give the Catmission
an exa�ple of what the building loaks like. He stated it was probably ocie of the
better loaking bui]idings in Fridley. He stated ELO was being placed in a vezy
difficult situation. The aar�r of the property to the �rth just does n4t want
to sell Mr. Owczarzak the property he needs for the additional parking.
Mr. Owczarzak, IIA F�gineering, stated the praperty aaner just refused to sell
any of the praperty, but he has agx�eed to lease the property for parking.
Mr. Sackrisan stated a 50 year lease was not exactly an overnight situation.
At the present time, Mr. Ow�czarzak has 58-59 pa�cing stalls, and that is the
nu�er of �playees in the office and the warehouse all the time, plus ariother
45 �ployees at nic�t. He stated he has all the parking he r�eeds; he is just
leasing the additional staff because staff says he needs it. He stated they
rea.11y questi� the need for so many m�re spaoes .
�
APPEALS OQNMISSION N�rING, JUNE 14, 1988 PAGE 6
Mr. Sackrison stated that as far as the lot �verage, there is a lot of land
there that is not even being touched. And every bit of land they are using is
nice loaking land.
Mr. Sackrison stated that regarding the setback to 25 feet, there was another
5 feet besicles that because tY�ere is a road that run.s in the back that i.s used
only for unloading the big pieces of equiFment where they can get the equignent
dcx�nz to dock heic�t at that poirct.
Mr. Sackrison stated that regarding the setbadc of 5 ft. frozn the building, they
cb rlot want vehicles hitting the building either, so they wuld put posts in.
The real reasan for the 5 ft. setback from the building was to avoid damage to
the building.
Ms. Louise Owczarzak stated they manufacture cabinets for ca�uters, and it is
the type of business that could drop off at any time. They just do not knaa.
She stated they really do not want to have to sell the p�roperty and look else-
where for more property, becavse they do n�t knaa haa long their busi.rLess will
continue to be so good.
Mr.Barna stated that if, in the future, IIA got ar�ther large o�ntract where
production w�ould really inc.rease, what wr�uld IIA do?
Mr. Owczarzak stated if that w+ere to happen, they would prabably just lease
another facility and keep their pre.sent facility. This type of business is just
too unpredictable.
Mr. Barna stated that regarding the parking, the City has to loak to the future
and the future use of this buildinq and the need for parking stalls in the future,
r�ot necessarily for IIA E,hgineering right now, but for a future owner. 'I'he City
has no guarantee that EL4 is going to be here 5-10-20 years fran r�ow, but the
building will be.
Dr. Vos stated the nt�r of parking stalls was based on the square footage of
the bui-lding and not the rnmiber of employees.
Mr. Barna stated the major oonoern the City Council will have is the increase
in sQuare footage—the justificatian and real need for that extra percentage of
land ooverage anc3 the wnoern for more parking stalls.
r�ION by Mr. Kuechle, seoonded by Ni�. 5herek, to close the public hearing.
UPO�V A VOICE VdI'E, ALL VCn]NG AyE, Q3AIRpERSpl�1 g�F2NA DDCL,AgID TI� PUBLIC F�ARIlVG
QASID AT 8:30 P.M.
Mr. Kuechle stated he oould go alang with all the varianoes except the reduction
in parking stalls. They need to resolve the parking lot situatian. He stated
it loaked as if the additioai on the w�est side of the building, from a practical
standpoint, wr�uld really not reduoe the green space or open sgace feeling of the
building. In loaking at the praperty and the buildi.ng, he did not think there
would be a notioeable change. Hvw�ever, even with the additianal parking, it
se�ned they w�ould still be short, and that wauld be of a sarewhat tenuous nature.
He hoped there wt�uld be sare way of resolving that parking situation before it
goes to City Council.
APPEALS OOAT4ISSION MEE.TING, JiJNE 14, 1988 PAGE 7
Mr. Barna stated if the petiticner w�ere to be able to purchase that 65 ft. of
land, that would be the best situatian.
Ms. Savage stated she agreed with Mr. Kuechle. She hoped scmething aould be
worked out an the parking. 5he thouc�t the property was well kept and was an
asset to Fridley. There were oertainly a lot of ugly buildings in Fridley, and
this was one of the nicest landscaped industrial properties in Fridley, and she
would like to see the City be able to aco�dat�e tl�n.
Dr. Vos stated he also agreed. T1� footprint of the building (the east side of
the building) which he thouc�t was tl�e most i�ortant was really staying the same.
They were adding a sec�ond story onto the existing office area. The additional
warehouse spaoe in back was ryot goinq to be seen by anyone, except so�ieone looking
fro�n Main Street past the other buildings. So, he did not see ariy probl�n with
that. He did rx�t have a resolution for th�e parking. One of his feeli.ngs was
they pro�ably don't need that much parking, that it really c�epexided upon the
nimiber of e�loyees; but he also knew the City Ordinance required more. It made
him wonder if maybe the ordinance on parkinq has become a little out of date.
Mr. Barna stated the other variances, from 5 feet to 0 feet fran the building
and the side yard setback fro�n 30 feet to 25 feet were minor variances. The
problem was going to be the lot coverage varianve and the reduction in parking
stalls.
M�ION by Dr. Vos, seoonded by Ms. Savage, to recam�nd to City Council approval
of variance, VAR #88-13, by ELQ F�gineering and Belt Lane Construction, Inc.,
per Section 205.18.04.D.5.D to reduoe the required minim�n han3 surface setback
frocn the main building from 5 feet to 0 feet on Lots 3 and 4, Block 3, East
Ranch Estates, the same being 7770 Ranchers Road. '
UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI.�L VdrING AYE, Q�IRPER.SON BARi�1 DDCL�EtID TE� MOTI�T CARR�
UNANIl�IOiJSLY.
MOTION by Dr. Vos, seoonded by Mr. Kuechle, to recanrend to City Council appraval
of ivar ance, VAR #88-13, by ELO E�gineering and Belt Line Constructian, Inc.,
per Section 205.18.03.D.2 to reduoe the minim�un reguired side yard setback from
30 feet to 25 feet on Lots 3 and 4, Block 3, East Ranch Estates, the same being
7770 Ranchers Rc�ad.
UPON A�ICE VO�I'E, ALL VO�ING AYE, CHAIRPER.SON BARNA DDCI�Ait�D Ti� NK)TION CARRIID
UNANIl�1(JtJSLY .
M�ION by Mr. Kuechle, sevonded by Ms. Savage, to reoanrend to City Council
appr�val of variar�ce, VAR #88-13, by IIA Engineering and Belt Line Construction,
Inc., per Section 205.18.03.0 to i.ncrease the required maxinnun lot vov�erage
froc�► 40$ to 49� on Lots 3 and 4, Block 3, East Ranch Estates, the same being
7770 Ranchers Road.
Mr. Owczarzak stated if he w�ere able to purGhase the 65 feet from the property
to the north, that would rediwe his lot �verage dramatically.
UPCN A WICE VC7I�, AI�L VO►PING AYE, Qi�1IRPERSON B�FdQA DEQARED � MyPION
CARR�D iNANINDtSLY .
RPPEALS aQNA�IISSION MEETIl�IG, JiJl� 14, 1988 PAGE 8
MO►rIC)N by Dr. Vos, seo�ryded by Mr. 5t�erek, to reo��nnend to City Council approval
of varianoe, VAR #88-13, by IIA �ngineering and Belt Line Constn�cti�, Inc.,
pursuant to Section 205.18.05.A to reduce the rnanber of parking stalls required
to not less than 81 stalls, o�ntingent upon the lease or purc.hase of 65 feet
of additio�al. land from the pmperty to the north for ar3ditional parking, on
I,ots 3 and 4, Block 3, East Ranch Estates, the same being 7770 Ranchers Road.
UPON A VOICE VOTE,AI.�L� VCl►rING AYE, CI�SIRPER.SQN BARNA DDCL,�1� Ti� NX7rION C.AF2Ft�
t2�,NIl�JUSLY .
Mr. Barna stated if the praperty is leased, it shauld be a tight lease so that
the lease cannot be revoked at any time by the adjacent property vwner.
Mr. Barna stated this item w�uld go to City Co�cil on July 11.
�,� �. 1: ►W��►�
MOTION by Mr. Sherek, se�nded by Mr. Kuechle, t�o adjourn the meeting. Upon a
voioe wte, all vnting aye, Chairpersoa� Barna declared the June 14, 1988, Appeals
Ca�ussion meeting adjourned at 9:02 p.m. �
Respectfully s ' ted,
,�
L Saba
Recording Secretary