PL 07/27/1988 - 7119PLANNING COrfl�ISSION MEBTING
{�ISDNBSDAY, JQLY 27, 1988
7:30 P.M.
Jock Robertson
Community Development Director
City of Fridle�
A G E N D A
PLAI�IIVING CDNY�iISSIDN MEEI'Il� WIDNFSDAY, JtTLY 27, 1988 7:30 P.M.
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IDCTiT�N: **Q�II'Y IDQ(�T�N (�3�fl'ffi2, 6085 - 7TH STRII�' N. E. � PAGF�
C'AI,L �D O1�ER•
1�LL CAL�L :
APPi�VE PI�NNII� QJNY�II�SIDN MINCTI'F5: June 22, 1988
PC�LIC HFARII�: Q�NSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, $P
#88-08, BY WILLTAM BAFd'RAM: . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 - 1T
Per Section 205.14.O1.C.2 of the FridlEy City �Code, to allaw
automobile agencies to sell or display new and/or used
vehicles; per Section 205.14.01.C.8 of the Fridl� City Code,
to allaa exterior storage of m�terials and equignent on Lot 2,
Block 2, Springbrook Apartments at Northtown, generally
located mrth of 83n� Avernie arrl west of University Avenue.
F'�JRLIC HFAR�]G: QJNSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP
#88-09, BY ORI'I�DOX (��URf�i OF � RFSURRECI'IDN OF C�iRIST: ..... 2- 2I
Per Section 205.05.04 of the Fridley City Code, to allaw a
chu�h, g3rsorage, bell tower and religious book store in an
S-1, Hyde Park Neighborhood, zoning district on Lots 27 and
28, Block 12, Hyde Park, the same beirg 597:i - 3rd Street N.E.
RECEIVE THE HUNIAN RF9�URCES QJI�A'lISSIDN WORKPLAN FOR 1988-1989 .., SALZioN
RECEIVE TF� MINUI'ES OF THE Jt�INP E[�II1t�I�Il�'III�f!'AL QUALITY/ENERGY
OJNIMIBSIIJN MF�'I'I.I� OF N11�Y 17, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BLIIE
RECENE 'I'I� MINCTPES OF TI-� HUMAN R�90URCE'S QJMMI�SSIDN N�EETING
OF JUNE 2 , 19 88 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SALI�SON
RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE PARKS & RECREATION C7UMMISSION
1�PING OF JIINE 6, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GREEN
RECEIVE TI� N[INUrES OF 'I'F� Ii�USII� & RIDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
ME�rI.I� OF JUNE 9, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . idHITE
RECE IVE THE MINUPFS OF TF� JO INP E�IJ I1d�IS'1II�T!'AL QUAL ITY / ENE RGY
CONJNIISS IDN MEF.'I' II� OF JIJNE 21, 19 8 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BLIIE
RECEIVE TE� MINUI'ES OF THE APPEALS QJMMZSSIDN MEF,'rING OF JUNE
28, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . YBLLOi1
RDCENE TI� MINCTPES.OF THE APPEALS QJNY�'IISSIDN MEETING OF JULY
19. 988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . YSLLOW (At �tg. )
O'I�R BUS II�SS :
ADJOURI�Y�P
CITY OF FRIDLEY
Pi,AN[�tING O�NSrffSSION ME�!'ING, JtII� 22, 1988
CAI�I.� � ORDER:
Q�airperson Betzold called the Jurie 22, 1988, Planning �xnnission� meeting to
c�der at 7:43 p.m.
ROLL CALL :
M�nbers Present: Dorald Betzold, D�ave Korxirick, Dean .�ava, Alex Barna,
Sue Sherek. Paul Dahlberg
Msr�bers Absent: Nor�e
Others Present: Jim Robinson, Flaruiing Coordinato�z'
Jock Rcabertson, �xnminity Devela�nent Director
Kathlyn C�stle, Planning Assistant
Steve Billings, City Council
Marv Prorhaska, Menard, Ir�c.. Eau C'laire, WI
Steve Jcahnson, Menard, Ir�.. Fau Qaire, WI
Dave Turek, Menard, Inc. , Eau Claire, WI
Esth�er Sieff, 1298 5kywood Lane
M3ry Louise Matth�vs, 1259 5kywood Lar�e
Leon Martin, University Ave,nwe Associates
Peter Bec.k, Uni.versity Avenue Associates
Rollin & Jeanr�e Cx'arr7a11, 6114 Star Lax�e N. E.
Virginia Schnabel, 1527 Wirr3anere Circle N.E.
APPROVAL OF N�,Y 18 , 19 88 , PLAI�IIl�]G O�A'A�IISS ION MIN[TI'ES :
MJTION by Mr. Kc�nlrick, seconded bY Nir. Barrr�, to aPProve the May 18, 1988,
Plaruzing CYxrmissio¢i mirnites as written.
UPC�I A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, �iAIItPIIZ.SCN BEIZQ,D DE(ZARED TI-iE MC)TION
C��RFtIED UNANIl�L'JfJSLY.
1. PLTBLIC HEARING: CONSID�RATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #88-06, BY
N�1RD. I. 'r'
Per Sectic�: ,05.15.1.C.8 of the Fridley City Cbd� to allav the expansion of
autside stor� , cu� Lot 9, Aur3itc�'s Subdivision No. 94, the same being 5351
Central Averru�e '. E.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to waive the formal
reading of the public hearing rntice and open the public hearing.
UR'�I A VOI(� VO►PE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, �iAIRPIIZSCt�I BEPZC�,D DE(3.,ARED THE MDTION
(�RRJED UNANIl�I7[JS'[.�Y At�ID ��BLIC HEF�RING OPII�T AT 7:45 P.M.
Mr. RQbinson stated Menard, Inc., was locate�d on the southeast quadrant of
the Hi�way 65/I-694 exchange. The pz�erty was zor�ed C-3 and was abutted
by residential, single family, to the ea.st, and R-2, duplex zoning, but
which is an ap�.rtrne�it building ooct�lex, to the mrth arxi east.
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I�. Robinson stated a public hearing was opened on May 4. At that time, the
petitioner was proposing an expansion of the storage yard in the
southeasterly portion of the existing storage yard. F�ccavation had already
begun far� that portion of the storage yazd as the petitioner was not aware
that he r�eeded a pernut ar�d a special use permit for that expansion.
N�. Rd�inson sta.ted at this time, the petitioner has submitted a revised
plan which actually results in the reduction of autside storage of approx.
4, 000 sq. ft. Detailed maps far the variaus buildings shaa that Building C
w�ould be a 3- level storage structure where ltuciber would be stored on the
laver two levels, ar�d insulatian batting would be stored on the thi�l level,
with asphalt shingles on the roof and residential-type siding on the outside
of the structure. The strwcture hei�ht from the storage yasd grade would be
34 feet and fran the slaped �-ade a minimum of 9 feet and a maxumun of 16
feet, as the grade does vaYy.
Nir. Rcabinson stated Building B to the rnrth would be 34 feet high, but would
be an q�en structure ar�d would rx�t have three levels. The grade would be
retair�ed with a concrete wall wereas with Building C, the grade would merely
be retair�ed with the wooden structure.
N3r. Rcabinson stated Building A was a snal.ler structure 19 feet hi� with the
same exterior finish. The reason the structure was sr�aller to the rnrth was
because of the exposure to HigYaaay 65/I-694, so it was felt that a taller
structure would rnt be appropriate in this area.
N�. Rnbinson stated the �3 zoning f or Menards does extend into Outlot B
which was platted with the Beverly Hills Addition. The R-2 zoning for the
ap�rtrnent canplex exter�ded to the Menards property line. This information
was im�ortant because it outlines the variances that were included with this
curz�ent petition. He described the variances and stated these would be
heard by the Appeals C.cnmission on Jurbe 28.
I�. Rabinson stated there has been a histcay of a conflict related to the
use of the storage yard ar�d the r�eighbors' enj ayment of their properties.
These would be the neigtiUors to the itm�ediate east--the Yx�uses which sit on
top of the esc,ar�xnent sane 40-50 feet abave the starage yard area.
Mr. Rnbinson stated staff believed the p�oposed structures would create a
rnise Yx�rrier, but to what extent they did not know. The petitioner has
scme site lir�e drawings which ir�dicate that the site lirie arer the building
would intersect with the roof of the rlenard store proper so there would ru�
longer be viaas into the storage yard. In addition, they are proposing to
laad the top level of Building C with insulation to damper the noise which
has been a problen.
Nir. Rcabinson stated sta.f f was al so reoa�n�endi.ng the f ol l ow ing st ipul at i ons
to help reduce the rnise problens:
1. warking drawings for all stru�ctural imprwanents to be signed by a
registered engir�eer.
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2. Z�k deliveries,
���ng, and stockirx.J o� the storag+e Y� ��
will be oo�i� tO' 8:00 a.m- - 9:00 p.m-
�. - Fri. 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m
Satti�7aY � deli:veries allaaed
S1�Y - -
ddt2d May 10 ► 197 9 r� �� ��,�
(Reference to Public Works �� � residents arr3
to a Feb. 15. 197 8, meeting
an a9r'�nt Was made as outlined �e.)
i� 2�e� �,1 other activity in th� storage Y�
3. NotwithstarriincJ � �e folla+�ing �.imes :
�� will be c�T�i� 7:00 a.m. - 9:30 p.m
Mon. - FYi. 7;30 a.m. - 6:30 p.m.
Satt�Y 9:00 a.m- - 5:30 p.m-
St�y f eryces
4. ��
will provide s�'e�ng slats for the westerly facir�g
and ga�s. ����d area.
5. ���1.s will repl��e �1 �d pl�t �terial in the
�it was being p�'sued at staf f' s
Mr. Robinson stated the special use Pe roblem with the nei5�ors.
clean up the long-standing P ard at this
r��,est to help e a special use permi.t for the storage Y
Mrrnards d�s n°t �' �.e reducing the outside storage, staff st�tain a
time, arr3 al�ough theY � � S�st interest to P►�� and
the Citl' S ar� �"��� t are se t up w i th the
it was in both t� live within the guicuelines t1�a
special use Pe�
special use P�ut.
Matthews' house
�., i„�rv. procha
ska, Menara� In�• ► statedarea andu�rl' rade elevati �
difference ��"'� �e °utsicte storage y��d �aWn S�e site lines Wl
was 60 feet• Using that inf°�tion, ��1' n. In their oririnal
ck fram the property line-
�e correct dimensions�� �u la 5��t �� p�
PrOP°�' �e��g �.t setback further west to a 10 foot setback.
. T�y are r�aa
� � �d �u�t � samples of residential W��n�ey
I,,�. p�ocY�aska s�s ���t � i�t frcm the nei��rs as to
shaa the nei�r
would 1 ike to s� •
B�,�ng A was 14 feet high w��rssin thenaPar�'ent
�,. p��,s}� stated �ly ��d help the nei�� cting only a fence
�S. Matthews, but it Pr n theY a�'e constru
�� auS r�a�1 Oi1rPi�peline that runs down the midd�ing
buildings• �ere is cannot build ariY
was because t is under easement so theY
the property and � a fence.
�nt there � P
�� ��d mt seen the stip�ations before this meeting.
I,,�., procY�aska s �t W ith staf f.
He stated that regarding
but l�e l�ad di��� ����s were draf ted, the stone tosbu�ld just a
stipulation #2, when tho �i��-ly started out trY g int where
Siux3aYs• � stated f� � it 'has now 9�� f ull circle to the Po
sou�nd ba�'rier tYPe
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they are building this entire structure across the entire back of the
building arrl are sperY3ing approx. 5250, 000 on the proj ect. As far as the
h4urs of operation, he discussed this with staff at previous meetings, and
he felt he r�eeded an additional 1/2 haur in the evening (stipulation�#3).
N�. Prochaska stated that in discussions with the store management,
managanent was saying that 75$ of the time the 1/2 hour would prcaUably work,
but for all practical pur�oses, it should be 1 hour af ter store closing.
They have custatbers wh4 oane in 5 minutes before closing, insist on buying
scn�ething, ar�d then expect to be able to pick that iten up. It was pretty
ha�3 to chase custaners aut the d�oor, so he would like to see stipulation #2
deleted entirely arxi see stipulation #3 changed to add an additional 1/2
Yr�ur later in the evening.
Ms. Mary Matth�as stated the neigYibors were not c�bjecting to custcrcbers being
in the yard later in the evening; but they were obj ecting to the n�oise of
the f ark 1 if ts ar�d the dropping of lunber.
Ms. Matthews asked if there were aizy other acoustical provisions.
Mr. Prochaska stated that the lawer part of Building C would contain
materials that are misy to unload, so they would be in the qround. The top
l�vel was for the storage of insulation, and those materials would be
handled by hand. At times, the top would be entirely full of fiberglass
insulation.
Mr. Barna asked if Mr. Prochaska was planning to put a layer tmderneath the
siding on the upper back of Building C, ar was it j ust going to be siding
wer the boards?
Mr. Prochaska stated that deperrling on the type of siding, they probably
would mt.
Ms. Matthews stated she did mt feel money had to be spent on fancy siding.
She would rather see the money spent to ensure there was enough sound
proofing.
Mr. Prochaska stated he would then suggest that instead of using
residential- type siding, an the inside they could sheath it with a 2��-
�eesr+r�insulation board which was sound deadening, using a 1/2-5/8 �rnch
flake boarrl exteria�type product and �int it with sane earth tone color.
For the roof, they were praposing asphalt shingles wer an tmderlayment.
Ms. N�tthews asked about the fark lift mise.
N�r. Prochaska stated he would hope that this would take care of all the
problens the r�eighbors had arxi they would mt have to be concerned about any
mise.
N�. RUbertson stated that when big shignents ooR►e in, where will the trucks
be unloading these shignents? Will they be in the open area which is not
protected by the sound lines? That was why sta.ff was recccmlerr3ing that the
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hours far� �laading of trucks be limited as stated in stipulation #2. When
the tru,cks are being unlaaded and the materials are dumped on the asphalt
hazd stand, that is when a lot of the mise occurs.
Ms. Matthews stated she felt the hours as pr�oposed by staff were legitimate.
The rnise contimies tmtil 11:00 p.m. some nights when the fork li�ts are
nu�ning arotu�d rearranging what has been unloaded off the trucks.
Mr. Prochaska stated they have to c+at�e � with s�cme hpurs that Menards can
live with; otherwise, they might as well leave it the way it is.
Ms. Sherek stated she and her husband were recently shopping at Menards.
She stated it took farever to firrl what they had already paid for, and it
was after 9:30 p.m by the t�me they pulled out of the yard. She stated
there wexe no other custaners in the yard when they lef t, but there were
four fork lift trucks in aperatiorr-two of them repeatedly dropping whole
forklift laads of fence pipes onto the pavanent. The noise was deafening.
That was at the south end of the buildig. Why couldn't Menards have
�loyees doing that at 8:00 a.m instead of 9:30 p.m.?
Mr. Dahlberg asked what the straight line distance was fram the Menard
pr�aperty line to the adjacent residents.
N�. Prochaska stated it was about 150 feet.
Mr. Dahlberg stated that in order to construct each of these structures, it
was going to require a significant amount of ex�avation in the footings back
into the hill. It seaned to him that was going to significantly affect sane
of the existing vegetation in the area. Was there any provision for
replacing plant materials that are distuii�ed?
Mr. Prochaska stated that on the 10 foot strip that they disturb, it will be
revegetated, but it will prcabaUly be replanted with grass, because it will
have to catch the drainage caning d�own the hill and transport it north and
south. He would r�ot want to put in trees that would stop the drainage flav.
He stated they will take whatever precaution they can to npt destray any
trees on Ms. Matthews' property.
Mr. Dai�lberg stated that D7enards will have to abide ]�y those assurances to
the City that they will take every precaution, and the City will have to
trust that Menards will d� that.
Mr. Rabinson stated maybe a field survey should be done in tenns of what
trees there axe now and which trees are in jeopardy because of the
construction. He thought that pro�bly another stipulation should be added:
"Mena�3s will agree to an erosion control plan and turf restoration plan
�on campletion of the proj ect. "
Mr. Dahlberg asked Mr. Prochaska to give a further explanation or
j ustif ication of wYiy it was mt possible to �ontrol the hours of operation
of the fo�k lift vehicles ar�d/or semis that are bringing material to the
storage yard.
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Mr. Prochaska stated it was pretty hard to control because they have so�ne
senis bringing in deliveries fran aut of tawn, and it was hard to say "no",
that the truck oould not unload and would have to wait until morning. He
stated they really r�eed to have 1 h�ur after closing for truck deliveries
and tmloading and stocking.
N�. Steve Billings stated he understood the petitioner's concern in terms of
aperation relative to custaners in the yazd. As far as the concern about
the truck driver who oanes in and wants to unload, there has to be a cut-off
time when that driver is told he carux�t tu�load--whether that time is 8:00
p.m. and the driver arrives at 7:55 p.m, ar it is 11:00 p.m. ar�d the driver
arrives at 10:55 p.m. So, he could rr�t buy the argum�nt that it was hard to
say "rn" to truck drivers caning in late. Hawever, more importantly, was
his concern that the plan identif ies the structure as a sound barrier. They
are all saying this 25-30 second sheathing is going to help the sound more
than not having the sheathing, but the question he had was: How much sound
were they deadening by these p�articular materials--2� of the sound, 80$ of
the sound? The r,eighbors have lived with a sound problem for many years.
The fact that they are talking about issuing a special use permit for
starage in this yard is the one chance the City and the neighbors have of
txying to solve this problem. He would hate to waste that cxiar�ce on a"gut"
feeling of people who are rnt exp�rienced as sound experts to decide this is
really going to do something. It was his understanding that when the
petitianer a�lied for a fence variance, the Appeals Ccimlission recommended
the petitioner get a sound engir�eer to evaluate the acoustical value of that
fence. Zt was also his �r3erstariding that the reason Menards delayed caning
back to Planning Camtission sooner was bec�.ause of their need to firrl a sound
engineer to evaluate the sound deadening value of the fence. So, another
question Ybe had was: Has Menards done that, how much sound deadening will
the fer�e do, and what is the anticipated effect?
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N�. Barna stated the 2�..seeerid sheathing material has an enonnous sound
deadening ability to it. It was inexpensive, easy to install, and easy to
maintain.
N�. Betzold stated there was no question that putting in these types of
materials should absorb more sour�d, but maybe it was rr�t the best way. Ms.
Matthews' h�use was on the hi11. Was it possible that by putting in sane of
these materials, there might be a ricocheting effect, and it might even
increase the rioise to sarie extent? He stated Mr. Billings' point was well
taken, arx3 they might need sane kirrl of ex�ert to look at this.
Mr. Proct�aska stated he did r,ot table this at the Planning Carmission level
last t�me to go out and hire a sound engineer. They tabled it just to
revic�v the whole project to see if they even wanted to do it or if it was
f easible f ar Menards and to help the rr�ise probl em f or the ne i ghbors . He
stated he had talked to Dave Kelso, Fbllution Control Agency, arxi the person
re�iended at DSinnesota Department of Transportation. Both of these people
said sound barriers and stopping sound was, at best, a"practice", like
practicing law or practicing medicine. They said if the site line was
reduced or it intersects that site lir�e, Menan-�.s will have done as much as
they can. N�. Prochaska stated Menards has done that. They have gone as
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high as they have to try and intersect that site line, because they have
been told that site lir�es and sound lines pretty �ch follaa the same path,
and that intersecting that site lir�e should reduce the sour,d.
Mr. Darilberg stated he thought Mr. Prochaska' s comments were accurate and
apprcrpriate with respect to soiu�d being transferred. He stated that if the
Planning Ccnmission is going to request that a whole scientific study be
undertaken to detezmine what sour�d is going be transferred with respect to
this �rticular project, then Menards is probably going to say they will
forget the wiwle proj ect and mt do anything at all and oontimie to function
as they have. He stated in texms of noise, the present situation was going
to be worse than if they let Menan�.s dr� what is being praposed.
Ms. Matthews stated that unless there is sane guarantee that what is being
proposed is going to improve the situation, then they might as well live
with what they already have. Why go to that expense? She thought Mr.
Billings' request was legitimate. She did not think Menards had to go to
the expense of a big scientific study, but she would like some assurances
that this proj ect is going to prove sanething.
Mr. Saba stated the whole point of a sour� absorption material was to absorb
the sound and mt to reflect it.
MOTIQN by Ms. Sherek, seconded by Mr. Saba, to close the public hearing.
UR�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q3AIRPEF2.SON BEI'ZCff.,D DE(3�ARED THE PUBLIC
HF�ARING Q�06ID AT 8: 45 P. M.
N[r. Ban�a stated that at the Appeals Catmission meeting, he was in favor of
having a sotu�d engir�eer look at this. Now, in seeing this type of design,
he was more ocmfortable with this design than with the sound barriers Mr�DOT
has put along the highways. He stated he really felt this type of
structure, as proposed by Menards, would help cut dawn the npise to the
residents adjacent to Menards.
Mr. Saba stated he thought this was a far better plan than the last one, and
was an act of yood faith on the part of Menards in solving the problem.
They are �ing to great e�nse ar�d are getting the r�eic�ibors involved.
Mr. Dahlberg and Mr. Korririck stated they had no obj ection to the special
use permit.
Mr. Barna stated he really felt there should definitely be scune working
drawings for all structural i�rovanents.
Mr. Kondrick stated he could see nothing wrong with the current
reamnendation by staff far� the truck deliveries. He stated the company he
works far� relies on truck deliveries; but when the d�oors close, the trucks
nnist sit autside and wait �mtil the next marning at 7:30 a.m. to tmload. The
truck drivers soon learn what i-hey can ar�d canmt d� and that is what they
have to abide by. He did ur�derstar�d with the retail business that when a
custaner canes in 5 mirnites before closing time, it can be a real hassle and
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extra time is n�eeded, but he thought 1/2 hour af ter closing time was
adequate.
Mr. Rol�ertson stated NI�-. Billings was suggesting that stipulation #1 be a
little more specific in referring to structural drawings, particuZarly for
the structure with the sour�ci proof ing. He stated that stipulation could be
strengthened befare it goes to City Council.
Mr. Sal�a stated that regarYiing stipulation #2, if Menards fir�ds these hours
really d�o not wark, they oould always arne back at a later time and ask f or
an extensian of hr�irs based on �st experience.
Mr. Barna agreed. He stated that 6-8 m�nths after the project is canpleted,
if the r�eighbors are satisfied, Menards could ocn� back in and request that
the hrnirs be changed arr3 ask for deliveries on Surx9ays.
Mr. Dahlberg stated he did not agree. He stated they should come to an
agreanent on hours that are reasonable for both Menards and the City. Maybe
they could allow ,deliveries on Surx3ays, but limit the hours.
Mr. Kor�drick asked N�. Prochaska what hours he would like far Surxjay.
Mr. Prochaska stated there are rr�t n�iy truck deliveries an Stux3ays, because
it was cmly Menards trucks delivering on Surx3ay, and it was difficult to set
hours for that. However, he would be in agreanent with the hours 9:00 a.m.
- 5:30 p.m.
MOTION by Ms. 5herek, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to reca�merr3 to City Council
appraval of S�ecial Use Permit, SP #88-06, by Menard, Inc., per Section
205.15.1.C.8 of the FYidley City Code to allaw the expansion of outside
storage on Lot 9, Auditor's Subdivision No. 94, the same being 5351 Central
Avenue N.E., with the follaaing stipulations:
1. Working drawings for all structural in�rovanents to be signed by a
registered engineer.
2. Truck c3�eliveries, unlc�ading and stocking the storage yard area will
be confinecl to:
Nbn. - Fri. 8:00 a.m. - 9:00 p.m.
Saturday 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Surx�ay 9:00 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
3. Notwithstanding itsn 2�ove, all other activity in the storage yarrl
area wil l be conf ined to ttie f ol laaing t�mes :
Nbn. - Fri. 7:00 a.m. - 9:30 p.m.
Saturday 7:30 a.m. - 6:30 p.m.
Surrjay 9:00 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
4. Menar�ds will provide screening slats fo�r the westerly facing fences
ar�d �tes.
5. Menards will replace all dead plant materials in the boulevard area.
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Pl�AI�INING Q�II.SSIQN MEErIl�. JUNE 22, 1988
6. Menards will agree to work with staff on an erosion control ar�d turf
restar�ation plan �iar to building pexmit to provide sound deadening.
7. All portions of sheds that are above grade and abut residentia]. .
properties � be insulated in the walls and ceilings with m
less than 2 insulation board or oanFarable material ar�d
sided with exteriar (flak�e boardi or similar material ar�d be
roofed with m less than 1/2 ir�ch asphalt r�oofing.
UPC�1 A VOIC� VO'I'E, ALL VOTING AYE, Q�iAIRPER.S�i BEI'ZCLD DECZARED THE MOTION
(��RRIED UNANIlKXJSLY.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, secor�ded by Mr. Saba, to send SP #88-06, along with the
variances to be hean� at the June 23, 1988, Appeals Ck.nunission meeting, to
the City Council on July 11, 1988.
UR'�I A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q3AIRPE�.SON BEIZC�D DECLARED THE MUTION
C�RRIED UNAN�RJSL,Y.
2. PUBLIC HEARING: �ONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #88-08, BY
WILLIAM BERTRP.M:
Per Section 205.14.01.C.2 of the Fridley City Code to allow automobile
agencies to sell or display new and/or used vehicles; per Section
205.14.O1.C.8 of the Fridley City Code to allow exterior storage of
materials and equi�anent on Lot 2, Block 2, Springbrook Apartments at
Northtown, generally located rr�rth of 83rd Avenue and west of University
Avenue.
MC7I'ION by I�. Saba, secorrled by Mr. K�r�drick, to waive the fonnal reading of
the public he.aring rx�tice arrl open the public hearing.
UPON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, C�iAIl2PE�LSON BETLCg,D DECLARED THE MUTION
C�RRIED UNANIl�DLJ�Y ArID ZHE PtJBLIC HFARING OPE�1 AT 9:10 P.M.
Mr. Rn�binson stated the purpose of this special use pezmit was to allawt an
autanobile dealership for the sale of r�w and used cars arxi for the outside
storage of vehicles and equignent. The petitioner has had some technical
prablens ar�d the stonn dra.inage plan was mt sutanitted on tune. In talking
to the petitioner, staff recannended that this iten be tabled until the next
Planning Commission meeting, and the petitioner was agreea.ble to that
recannendation.
Mr. Robinson stated that Mr. Peter Beck and Mr. Leon Martin fran Belgarde &
Associates were in atter�dar�ce representing S�rin�rook Apartrnents and would
lik,e to speak on this itan when it is heard by the Planning Catmission.
NYyI'ION by Mr. Kondrick, secorrled by Mr. Saba, to table SP #88-08 until the
next regularly scheduled meeting.
UF�T A VOI(� VOTE, ALL VOTII� AYE, Cf�AIEtPE�Z.SCi�I BEIZCLD DECLARED THE MOTION
(��RRIEID UNANII�JaGY.
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PI�AI�II�I7I�TG �.SSIpN ME�I'IldG. JUI� 22, 1988
3. O�NSIDERATION OF A VACATION, SAV #88-01, BY THE CITY OF FRIDLEY AND TARGET
NORTHERN OPERATIONS C�TI'ER:
�b vacate a six foot easanent far storm sewer described in Document 268274
in Boak 659, Page 569, dated Ndvember 3, 1964, and to vacate a�2 foot
easenent far construction and maintenance of a storm sewer described in
Dociunent 280899 in Book 697, Page 441, dated Octd�er 20, 1965, all generally
located at 6499 University Avenue N.E.
I�. Rnbinson stated the location of the vacation of these easements was in
the southeast oorner of Mississippi St. and University Ave. These were
abandoned storm sewer lir,es that have been ratx7ved with the construction of
Target building in 1984. For sane reason, the vacation was rnt processed at
that t�me so this is administrative cleanup.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to recommend to City
Coun�cil appraval of Vacation, SAV #88-01, by the City of Fridley and Target
Northern Operations Center.
UR�N A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q�iAIRPERS�T BEI`LCS�D DEQ�ARED THE N10`I'ION
C��RR� UNANIlK�JSLY.
4. REC.�IVE 'IHE MAY 2, 1988, PARKS & RECREATION QJNYKISSION M�]UTFS:
MOTION by N�. Kor�drick, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to receive the May 2,
1988, Parks & Recreation Ccnmission minutes.
iJ�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTII� AYE, Q3AIRPER.SCfi�] BEIZC�D DEC3,ARED THE NK)TION
C��RRIED UNANIlKXJSC,Y.
5. REC�IVE THE MAY 5, 1988, HLTNIAN RESOURC�S OJNY�lISSION MII�U'II'FS:
MO'I'ION by Ms. Sherek, secorxied by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the May 5, 1988,
Htunan Resources Ccnmission mirnites.
UF�N A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTII� AYE, Q�iAIRPII2SOI�1 BEIZCg,D DEQ,ARED THE MOTION
CiARRIED UNANIl�DUS'LY.
6. REC�IVE 'II-� N�,Y 12, 1988, I�(JUSIIVG & RIDEVEL�O�Tr AUI�iORITY MINC)'I'FS:
NY7I'IQN by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Sherek, to receive the May 12, 1988,
Housing & Red�velc�nent Authority mirnites.
UPOI�1 A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VO�I'II�G AYE, Q�AIRPERSSQN BEZZCI�D DECLARED THE MOTION
C�RRIED UNANIlKx7SL,Y.
7. RECEIVE Tf�iE MAY 19, 1988, SPECIAL HUNlAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING
MII�I[JTF�S :
NY)TION by Ms. Sherek, secor�ded by Mr. Barna, to receive the May 19, 1988,
S�ecial H��an Resources Camtission meeting mirnites.
UPCt�1 A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q�iAIlZPER5C�1 BEI'LCS�D DEQ,ARID THE MOTION
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PLAI�III�1G �SSION N�TIl�IG. JUl� 22, 1988
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8. RECEIVE THE I�Y 24, 1988. APPEAL�S Q�NA�IISSION MIlV�TPF.S:
Ni7I'ION by Mr. Barrsa, seconded by Mr. Saba, to receive the May 24, 1988,
Appeals C�nission mirnites.
UPCd�I A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q3AIRpII�.gCLV BEI'Z(g,D DECLARED THE MUTION
C�RRIED UNANIl�DjJSC,Y.
9. RECEIVE TI-�E JLJI� 14, 1988, APPEALS OJN�IISSION MIlVCfI'F�:
MO'I'ION bY Mr'. Rarna. secorr7ed by Mr. Saba, to receive the June 14, 1988,
Appeals Canrussion mir�utes.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOT7NG AYE, Q3AIRPERSON BEPZCLD DEQ,ARED THE NYJTION
C�ZIED UNANINDUSLY.
10. OT� BUS II�SS :
a. Prelimirr�ry Fir�dings/Recycling Bins
(Mano to Planning Cutmission fzYm Jim R.obinson dated 6/22/88)
Mr. Rc�binson stated that at the joint DQC/Energy C�unisson meeting on
June 21, 1988, the Enviror�nental Quality Co�rimission reviewed the
'�--- prelunirriry research on the types of bins available and their costs.
', The D�C reocnmerried to the City Council that the City Ca�uicil include in
the c.vrrent budget funds for the acquisition of recycling bins and that
the City's ex�errliture match contributions raised from civic groups and
private sector donations.
Mr. Rabinson reviewed the types and costs of bins used by the Cities of
Plynr.�uth, Golden Valley, Minneapolis, ar�d Colunbia Heights.
�'Mr. Dahlberg stated there was sane discussion about the possibility of
�`.agging along a purchase with ariother o�ganization or ci ty in order to
get a price break on a voltane purchase.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to concur with the
recatmerr3ation of the Envirornlental Quality Catmission at their June 21,
1988, meeting to recoatunend the City Council include in the current
budget furr3s fc� the aaquisition of recycling bins and that the City's
exper�di.ture match oontributions raised from civic groups and private
sector dpnations.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Q3AIRPERSON BETZOLD DECZARID THE
NDTIfJN C�,RRIED UNANIlKxJS'LY.
b. City Council Upc]ate
Mr. Rabertson gave a report of the actions taken at the June 20th City
Council meeting.
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PL,�t�IIl�1G �ISSION MEE,TING, JUI� 22, 1988
c. Resignation of Jim Rabinson as Plaruzing Coordinator
Mr. Rnbinson stated he has accepted a position with the City of white
Bear Lake as Cocnnunity Developm�nt Director. He stated it has �been a
real privilege working with the Planning Catmission wer the past 3 1/2
years, both present and �st members. He stated he has gained a lot
frnm working with the Plaruling Catmissian members and appreciated all
their help along the way.
N�. Betzold stated Mr. Robinson has had a tough j ob to do, but he has
done it well. Mr. Betzold stated Mr. Robinson has alway s been a
professional and has been very thnrough in his work, and he felt White
Bear Lake was getting one of he best. On behalf of the Planning
Catmission mar�ers ar�d himself, he wanted to thank Mr. Rnbinson for all
he has acarnplished.
Mr. Robertson stated Mr. Rnbinson was a great help to him when he came
on board at the City several years ago. He stated he, too, was really
going to miss Jim, but that it was a great career mave for him.
Ms. Schnabel stated she was C7�airperson of the Planning C.cmmission when
Mr. Robinson first became staff person for the Planning Cammission.
She stated Mr. Rcabinson had been a deli�t to work with throughout the
entire time she chaired the Cce�unission. She stated Mr. Robinson's
resignation was certainly a loss to the City, but a gain for White Bear _
Lake. It was a great career move, ar�d she wished him the best. ��
AA70URI�II�Tr:
MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Kor�drick, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Betzold declared the June 22,
1988, Plaruung CcRmission meeting adjoun�ed at 9:30 p.m.
Respectfully suYmitted,
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Lynr� Saba
Reco`rding Secretazy
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PLANNING DIVISION
MEMORANDUM
Jock Robertson. �amunitY Develv�nt Director
glanning �u.ssion Menbers
Kathlyn Castle, Plannirr3 Assistant
July 22, 1988
R�p,1�II�: Special Use Pern►it, SP #88-08, Aut.oR�ile Dealership
Proposal
William Bartram, the Petitiorier is r�uesting a special use pennit be 5ranted whi�
would allaa him to construct an autcnr.aUile d�lership with autside storage r�aar the
intersection af 83rd Avernue arx3 University Averiue. This dealershiP constructed of
stuc}c,o, metal Panels, polished glass arr3 possibly brick:� It will contain 28,580
square feet with 22,410 square feet on the grourxi level and 6,110 square feet on
the m�zaine level. This space wi11 be divided between six�roan� office, service,
body st�, parts arr3 expsnsion uses. The dmlership wi11 display 110 vehicles.
��," Y'_',�;��.--�,� i.'�'r�'�l��., ,�� �=�1�� �r_�<<_ . r � , ►� � t� g�����.i
Planni�3 Oonsiderations � - �,�/�f,;-� x� � �'c s►-,�-� - �r�''Y .,
This piece af pn�pezt-Y
is locate�i in a�2. General Busir�ess Distric�; w�iich Jal�csrtis ��`
autce�nUile d�lerships and autside storage of �csterials as a special use. �e site
abuts an R-3, Multiple Residential Dwelling District, to the west and a C-2,
General Business District, to the rx�rth, east and south•
This area has been the center for recent development including Springbrook
Apartments ar,d I�bzt�vest Ort',��edics.
The site does contain wetlarr3s which will
petitior�er has d�tained a ratioral peanit
the filling of this wetlarxi.
be affected by this development. T17e
frcm the Corp of Er�qineers which allaas
Reccrcn�err3ation
Staff �e� a��lo ated at 83rd Avenue arx� Uni.vers ity Avenue witnh�the
dealership g Y
follvwing stipulations:
1.
2.
3.
4.
6.
7.
Petitior�er agrees to sewer arid water assessnents.
Petitioner to install landscapi� as per City apprt�ved plan.
Finplv�ee/custcmer: g3rking to be clesigisted b� sigrage.
A road assessnent and right of way extension agreement be signed by both the
petitior�er and neighbor to the mrth. Z►o be recorded at Arnka CbuntY Prior to
buildir�g pennit.
There is to be m vutside speaker usa3e• lir�e.
A griv�.c� fe:�ce ta be installed along the west PYq�ertY
Petitiorier to suYanit a sto�n drair�3e plan for staff apprvval.
R�/dn
I�-88-174
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_ FRIDLEY, MN aa4as SPECIAL USE PERMIT SP # Sg—O�
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PROPERTY INFORMATION �
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I,�AL L�SQtIPP�I:
�,p� 2 gjp(g 2 �2ACr�pDDITD�TT SprinQbrook Apartments at Northtown-Fridley
pRESII�T ZpNING C2 general business dist.A�tEAGE 3•2� acres
SP£QAL USE P£RMIT BEING APPLIID FnRt New and Used Car Auto Dealershiv. and
0 en Lot Stora e
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FEE OWNER INFORMATION
� William Barbush pfiONE # 922-4618
ADIgFSS 3131 celsior Blvd. Minneapolis, Mn. 55416
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PETITIONER INFORMATION
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NAME
p,� 1 34 Ta estr L n Minnetonk.a, Mn• 55343
SIGI�IZ[JRE � DATE May 20 14 8�
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PI,ANNINCi Q7I�R�SSI0�1�1: APPRWFD �`�� ---- ��'
QTY QxJNCIL : APAtOVID - ffidIED _ I�ATE
STIP[TLATD�NS:
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PIJBL IC HEARING
BEFL�RE �
PLANI�IING �SSION
Notice is herel7y given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Ca►ndssice� of the City of Fridley at the QOrM�iJNITY IDU(�,TION C�NTER. 6085 -
7TH SPR�'P N.E. o� Wednesday, June 22, 1988 at 7:30 p.m. for the Purpose of:
Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #88-08, by
William Bartram, per Se�tion 205.14.01.C.2 of the FridleY
City Code, to allaw automobile agencies to sell or
display new and/or used vehicles; per Section
205.14.O1.C.8 of the FYidley City C.a3e, to allow exterior
storage of materials and equipment on Lot 2, Block 2,
S�rin�rook Apartn�nts at Northtown, generally located
mrth of 83rd Avenue and west of University Avenue.
Any and all persons desiri.ng to be heard shall be given an aPPortunity at the
a�ve stated time and place.
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Publish: J�e 8. 1988
Jun�e 15, 1988
Arry questica�s related to this itan may be refexred to the Fridley Cammunity
Develognent Departn�ent, 571-3450.
SP 4�88-08
William Bartram
City Council Members
City Manager
Planning Commission Chair.
William Bartram
11834 Tapestry Lane
Minnetonka, MN 55343
William Barbush
3131 Excelsior Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55416
University Avenue Associates
7841 Wayzata Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55426
Springbrook Apartments
101 - 83rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
M. B. Properties
2531 Marshall Streete
Minneapolis, MN 55418
Northwestern Orthopedic Surgeon
500 Osborne Road N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Bryant Investments Co.
7841 Wayzata Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55426
Philip Monroe, ETAL
720 Sunset Drive
Marquette, WI
Ralph Virgillo
7466 Meadowood Drive
Brooklyn Park, MN 55444
MAILING LIST
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ST. PAUL DISTRICT, CORPS OF ENGINEERS
1135 U.S. POST OFFICE 3 CUSTOM HOUSE
5T. PAUL, MINNESOTA SS101•1479
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ATfENT10N OF
ConstructiorrOper ations
Regulatory Functions ��_ zZ/ 1��;�/-%�F�
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We have reviewed the information prwided us about your project Zhe
work is suthorized by a nationwide Department of the Army permit, prwided the
enclosed conditions and management practices are followed.
This determination cove=s only the project referenced above. Should you
change the design. location, or purpose of the work. contact us to make sure a
violation would not occur. Our telephone number is (612) 725-7557.
It is your responsibility to insure that the work complies with the terms
of this letter and the enclosures. PLEASE NOZE g1AT �iIS CONEIRMATION LETZER
DOFS NOT ELIMINATE �iE NEED FO�R STATE, LOCAL, OR O�iER AUT1iCRaATIdIJS.
Tbis authorization eapires on January 12. 1992. If you have arry
qvestions. please call j�erv� �Qi`�C'r',
S i�ncei e�9.
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Enclosure(s) B n Wopat
Chief. Regulat Functions Branch
Construction-Operatione Division
Determination: 33 CFR 330.5 (q> ( Zb)
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�uthorit� for the folloving activitiea is aiven at 33 Code of Pederal
Qegulationa (CFR):
[� 350.5�a)�26) Diacharges of dredaed or lill naterial into the vatera
liated in pa:'sBraPhs �i}(26)(1) aad (li) of this section ezcept thoae vhich
esuae the losa or �batiatial adverae modifi`crca�i��f l�o ���charmaese�+hich
such vat�rs nf the IInited Statea. lacludi�
cauae the loas or substantial adverae sodification of one to tenineergiei
•uch vaters.includina vetlaada. aotitication to the district ena
required in accordaace vith Section SS0.7 of this section. (6ection 404)
(i) Zoa-tidzl ri�rers. stresms. aad �heir ia3cea sa
-�.�apetmdmenta, includ3na a.�7s��t vetlanda. that are 1°�ited above ihe hesd
vaters.
-jii) Other non-tidzl �raters at the IInited States. -
includin8 sdjacent vetlands. that are not part of a surfsce tributarT
s�atem to interatite vaters or navigable +raters of the IInited States (i.e..
isolated vaters).
8eaional Conditiona �
..___.._ ..,a�or A��rovals
_�/� � xa�o_ rit of the Pro�ect Reauires 6tate ._
` ln,T person intendin� to dlecharae dredaed or iilll�=tioa tonthe lsinnnesota
deai�ted 'Protected Yaters" sha11 �ubmiL an �PFi�i� �rk. ktivities
,_ __. Department of Taturil Besources (��)e ��r�e� the applicant obtaina
are authorised uader this nationvide p
." all aPplicsble liinneaota DepartmenL �Ca)tpermitssandcapprovals•�York maY
Ninnesots Pollntion Control lsenc� i
proceed upon receipt of all spplicable 1�HA aad/or 1"��J► Permita aad
�PProvals. .
Other State aad local authorisations �T be required.
This dischar�versermodiiicationlo�terial vould cause the loss or
substaatial
[] Lees than oae acre of raters of Lhe IInited States
• � d 10 acres of vaters of the Onited Statea
[_] 8etveen 1 an
Eacl 1 '
(See rever�e side.)
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� Ma�orit� of the Pro�ect Doe� Kot Require State Fermits and/or Approvals
This aationvide permit is subject to Begioaal Conditiona that allov only
projecta that vould drain. fill. or iaundate an area of LESS THA2i 10.000
SQIII►R.E FEE'T of vatera of the IIaited 6tates.
The pro�ect involyes a discharae of dredaed or Sill_au�terlal inLo the..
iolloving area(a): _
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�_] SgpIIT gTAg]►M.5 _ the heid vsters (and adjaceat vetlaada) aad the
tributiriea (aad sdjacent netlaada) of these stresma-
[] �FR11L YILD �HD BC�ZC HIP�S jST• CSOZZ fiIYBR) - all head �raters
(and a�jacent vetlaads) of these �trtaas.
�_� y����•y�g y�g� SH�t 1p 1C8ffi - all �retlanda adjscent to tbese
head vater lalces ana vetlaada. -Sheae areas are identified b� I'�liR on their
•Public Yaters/tieLlands ZaventoT7" a�Pa.
[_] ST71TB PAOTFsCTED YATERS I.)►RCEfi Z'SAN 10 LCRES - vetlanda
ad`jacent to these isolated v�ters. These la]ces are SdentifSed bT lIDNB on
their 'Public Vaters/Vetlands ZnventorT" s�ps,
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P.[.Ata1IIdG �SS,TI� rII�1G. JiJi� 22, �.988
6• M�nard.s wi11 agree to wo�k with staf f on an erosi� � ar�d tt�f
restaratio�n plan �ior to building permit to provi sourr3 deadening.
7. All,portions o� sheds that are aUove abut residential
prq�erties shall be insulated in the s ar�d ceilings with m' -
less than 25-30 secorrl insulation or oanpar-able materi.al and
sided with exteric� (flake or similar material ar�d be
roof ed wi th m 1 ess than 1/ it�h asptyal t roof ing.
UPQ1 A VOICE VOTE, AI,I, V AYE, Q3AIRpII�.gC�1 gEI�LC�,D DEC.LARED THE NIJTION
C�RRIID UNANIl�L7[JSZ�Y.
MO�I'ION by Mr. , secorrled by Mr. Sal�a, to ser�d SP #88-06, along with the
variar�ces to he.ard at the Jur�e 23, 1988, Appeals Qatmiission meeting, to
the City il oaz July 11, 1988.
'OIC� VOTE, ALZ VOTING AyE, Q3p,IlZpIILSC�1 gE�*L�D DEQ,ARED THE NDTION
UNAN�AJSLY.
2: PUBLIC HF.ARING; NSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #88 08, BY
WILLIA:i BF�2TRAM.
P�er Sectio� 205.14.O1.C.2 of the Fridley City Code to allow automabile
agencies to sell or display new and/or used vehicles; per Section
205.14.O1.C.8 of the Fridley City Code to allow exterior storage of
materials and equignent on Lot 2, Block 2, Springbrook Apartments at
Nar'thtown, generally located rn�th of 83rd Avenue and west of University
Avenue.
MOTION by Mr. Sab�a, secorr3ed by Mr. ICQndrick, to waive the forn�al reading of
the public hearirig mtice and open the public hearing.
UF�]N A VOICE VOTE, ALI, VpTII� pyg� Q3p,IRpER.S� B�� DEQ,ARID THE N�TION
(�RRIED Ul�,NIl�DiJS'LY AI�ID ZHE F�JBLIC HEARIl� OPII�I AT 9:10 P.M.
Mr. Rcabinson stated the pux�ose � this special use pezmit was to allavt an
autaY�obile dealership far� the sale of r�a ar�d �� �.S � far. the outside
storage of vehicles arrl equignent. Tt�e petitioner has had sc�¢ne techn.ical
P�ablens and the stcmm drainage plan was mt suitnitted on time. In talking
to the petitio�,er, staff r�ec.ro�ner�ded that this iten be tabled timtil the r�ext
Planning Ccerunission meeting, and the petitioner was agreeable to that
reo�mer�dation.
I�r'. Rabinson stated that Mr. peter geck ar�d N�r. Leon Mar.tin fmn Belgarde &
Associates were in attendar�ce representing Sprirx�ro�k A�rtrnents and would
like to speak on this iten when it is heand by the planniryg p�rmissio�.
MyI'ION by I�-. Korririck, secor�d�1 �, �.. �� ��le SP #88-08 until the
r�ext regularly scheduled nieeting.
UF�1 A VOI(� V't7I�E, �,r. VprIl� AYE� QiA,Il�pE� B�� DECLI�,RID THE NDTION
C��RRIED UNANIl�DtJSi�Y.
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May 24, 1988
Mr. William Bartram
11834 Tapestry Lane
Minnetonka, Mn. 55343
535-5200
Mr, william Barbush
3131 Excelsior Blvd.
Minneapolis, Mn. 55416
Mr. Nasim M. Qureshi, City Manager
M1. John Flora, City Engineer
City of Fridley
6431 University Ave. N. E.
Fridley, Mn. 55432
Re: Construction of a service road and associated
utilities
83rd and University, north toward 85th Ave.
Gentlemen:
On May 2p, lggg, Mr. William Barbush and Mr. William
Bartram submitted an application for a Special Use Permit
along with a site plan to the City Planner for the
development of Lc,t 2, Block 2, in the tract kncwn as
Sprinqbrook Apartments at Northtown.
is cu:rently reviewing the plans for aMnewJcar/usedtson
car/service facility which we propose to build at that
site. To facilitate a timely construction schedule, we
wish to petition the city at this time for the
construction of a service road and associated utilities.
The service road requested would be similar to the
service road in place on the south side of 83rd Ave, p
conceptual drawing of the proposed service road can be
made available to you at your request. You may also refer
to the site plan for the proposed road layout.
The property defined as lot 2, block 2, is owned by Mr.
Barbush; the Special Use Permit Fee Owner, He and the
petitioner, Mr. William Bartram, wish to petition the
City of Fridley for the coiistruction of the service road
and understand the property will be assessed for the
improvements along the property fronta �-
with city policy. If it is a gc in a,.�ordance
also waive the required publicrhearing�tohexpedite�this
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Please review this petition and direct any questions
regarding it to Mr. Bartram or myself and we will address
them promptly. Thank you your'prompt attention to this
matter. We look forward to working with you on this ,
project.
Sincerely,
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Ms. Susan Prebil
Administrative Assistant
535-5200
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Zp: Jock RoUertson, Ocntrninity Dev2la�n►ent Director
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F1aM; Kathlyn Castle, Planning Assistant
DATE: July 22. 1988
1�p.F�Il�: Speci.al Use Pennit, SP #88-09, 5973 - 3rd Street N.E.
Proposal
The petitior,er, Father Jahn MacGra�n. is requestirx3 a special use pernnit be
granted to allaa a church. Parsorage. be1-1 tc�aer a.nd religious book store at
5973 - 3rd Street N.E.
Backgivvurid
This prc�zty is located in an S-1, Hyde Park r�eic,�lborhood, zoning district
whose regulations are similar to those of the R-1, single family dwelling,
zonir�g district. In an R-1 district, churches, bell tvwer, parsonage and
bookstore are allvwed as a special use. The buildirg and site requirements
for this use is the same as those outlined in the CR-1, general office,
zoning district.
A special use pennit was previausly granted for this site in 1985 arxi 1987
s which allaaed a different cannercial use in an S-1 zoning district. The 1987
permit was passed with four stipulations regarding site and building
improvanents. Due to extern�ating circ.-�unstances, the petitioner never used
the special use pernlit, ther�fore, the stipulations were r�ever cat�leted.
The church will be approximately 530 square feet. Of this 530 square feet,
63 square feet will be used for a bookstore arrd 32 square feet for the
parsonage. The sanctuary will provide space for approximately 24
parishoners, including the c�ir. On the east side o� the building an apse
will be constructed which will be used as the alter. The exterior portian of
the buildir�g wi11 consist of stwcco arri ooncrete block.
Staff recannerrls aPP�vval af this r�uest with the follaaing stipulations:
1. Parkirx,� situation to be reviewed in two years to determine adequa.cy of
existing lat.
2. The church bell shall be only run9 at the beginning of each mass on
Si;rx3ay .
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July 22, 1988
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3. Reuse of this buildir�g b� a different church is r�uired to apply for a
special use pennit. E :
4. A portion of Lot 29, approxim3tely 1, 604 square feet is being leased fran
the City at $1.00.
5. Iandscaping to be installed as per plan b� July 1, 1989.
6. A perfox�nce bond or letter of credit for 3$ of the construction value
be given to the City prior to issuar�ce of the building pernut.
7. Ir�stall six ir�ch ooncrete curbing around the entire perimeter of the
p3rking lot includi� drivaaay opening b,� Novenber 1, 1988.
8. Parking lot to be se3lcoated arid striped (eight spaces) by November 1,
1988.
9. Pbsts are to be ranoved u�pon ir�staZlation of lar�dscaping (July 1, 1989 ).
10. Petitioner to maintain site i�nedi.ately b� cuttir�g grass arri elimir�ting
weeds .
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Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
C,cnmission af the City of Fridley at the �TNITY II7t7CATION C�NTER, 6085 -
7TH SrR�'r N.E. on Wednesday, July 27, 1988 at 7:30 p.m. for the purpose of:
Consideration of a Special Use Pennit, SP #88-09, by
Orthodox Church of the Resurrection of Christ, per
Section 205.05.04 of the Fridley City Code, to allow a
church, p3rsonage, bell tc�aer and religious book store in
an S-1, Hyde Park Neighborhood, zoning district on Lots
27 and 28, Block 12, Hyde Park, the same being 5973 - 3�
Street N.E.
Any arx3 all persons desiring to be hea.rd shall be given an opportunity at the
abwe stated tune and place.
DONALD BEIZCLD
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Publish: July 13, 1988
July 20, 1988
Ariy questions related to this itan may be referred to the Fridley Community
Devela�nent Departrnent, 571-3450.
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Orthodox Church of the
Resurrection of Christ
City Council Members
Planning Commission Chair
White Eagle Investment
6177 Heather Circle N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Orthodox Church of the
Resurrection of Christ
991 Aathaway Lane N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Robert Williams
5945 - 2 1/2 Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
A1 Gabel
5947 - 2 1/2 Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Wolfe
6007 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Frank Gabrelcik
5923 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Ione and William Alasppa
5925 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Pawluk
5931 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Rasmussen
8855 - 230th Street E.
Lakeville, MN 55044
John Rasmussen
5955 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Resident
� 5965 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Lawrence Muggli
11796 Able Street N.E.
Blaine, MN 55434
Planning July 7, 1988
Council
Franklin Hart
6000 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Willard Guimont
5980 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
E. Norwood and B. Braithwaite
7412 Lyndale Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55423
Resident
5974 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Robert Ecker
5940 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Hugh Churchill
5955 - 2 1/2 Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Northwestern Bell Telephone Co.
5920 - 3rd Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Kelly
3801 Crystal Lake Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55422
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
JOINT ENVIRONMErTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/
ENERGY COI�Il�IISSION MEETING
MAY 17, 1988 , .
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Saba, Energy Commission, called the May 17, 1988, Joint
Environmental Quality Commission (EQC)/Energy Commission meeting to order at
7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Dean Saba, Bruce Bondow, Bradley Sielaff, Richard Svanda,
Paul Dahlberg, Steve Stark
Members Absent: Bruce Hanley, Gerald Welf, Wayne Wellan
Others Present: Lisa Campbell, Planning Associate
APPROVAL OF APRIL 19, 1988, JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMNfISSION/ENERGY
COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to approve the April 1.9, 1988,
Joint EQC/Energy Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. NEW BUSINESS
A. Video "Recycling within Reach"
The commission viewed the videotape of "Recycling within Reach", a
tape on recycling to be shown on Cable TV.
B. Energy Commission Workplan (Proposed)
Ms. Campbell reviewed the proposed Energy Commission Workplan and
discussed changes and revisions. Ms. Campbell will make the changes
and revisions as requested and present the revised workplan at the
next meeting.
C. Election of Officers
Mr. Svanda declared the nominations open for Chairperson_of the EQC.
Mr. Stark nominated Mr. Dahlberg for Chairperson. -
Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Svanda declared the nominations
closed.
J.OINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, MAY 17, 1988 PAGE 2
,
MOTION by Mr. Stark, seconded by Mr. Svanda, to cast a unanimous
ballot for Mr. Dahlberg for Chairperson of the Environmental Quality �
Commission for 1988-89.
.UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SVANDA DECL�RED THE
MOTION CARRIED UI3ArIM0USLY. ' '
Mr. Svanda declared the nominations open for Vice-Chairpers,on of the
EQC. �
Mr. Stark nominated Mr. Svanda for Vice-Chairperson.
Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Svanda declared the nominations
closed.
MOTIOh' by Mr. Stark, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to case a unanimous
ballot for Mr. Svanda for Vice-Chairperson of the Environmental
Quality Commission for I988-89.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SVANDA DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
The election of officers for the Energy Commission was tabled until
the next meeting.
2. OLD BUSINESS
A. Approval of Revised EQC Workplan
Mr. Dahlberg requested the approval of the revised EQC Workplan be
tabled until the next meeting.
B. Grants Management Update: D.P.S. and P.I.E.
Ms. Campbell indicated a problem exists with the P.I.E. Grant.
Materials were developed under the grant that do not meet the grant
requirements such as the brochure, signs and posters. These were
developed for a specific program rather than for general information.
Acceptable materials would include the video as seen earlier at the
meeting. At the last meeting, a compost brochure was discussed which
is also general in nature. The purpose of the P.I.E. Grant was to
develop general materials. Ms. Campbell thought it important to point
out that the Met Council was generous and gave program suggestions which
can be incorporated into the workplan. A 20% failure rate was
anticipated.
Mr. Dahlberg asked how this happened.
Ms. Campbell stated she did not write or administer the grant. She
felt the requirements were clearly stated. The grant outline is also
specific. Meetings were a2so held each quarter, but a number of cities
did not attend. She did not know how this would affect the City in
the long run. They must figure out a way they will treat granzees tD
develop materials acceptable under the grant.
Mr. Dahlberg asked, since those materials developed and determined not
to be acceptable have cost the Council money, who has to pay?
JOINT EQC/ENERGY COh�IISSION MEETING, MAY 17, 1988 PAGE 3
Ms. Campbell stated that at this time the City has been paid against
' the Grant. Mr. Robertson has written a letter stating that on March 31,
1988, the City received the first notice that there was a problem and
that the City had made a good faith effort. Whether the City will be
required to pay the money back was left open. _, _
Mr. Stark felt it did not make sense that the Met Council would have
money available to cities and materials were to be general.in nature.
Ms. Campbell stated this was part of the argument. If there is money
available, it should be used. Another issue is why hire a consultant
if materials are to be general.
Mr. Saba questioned if the video was part of another program in the
works prior to the grant.
Mr. Stark stated two ideas could go along parallel lines and duplicate
efforts.
Mr. Sielaff stated that the money from the P.I.E. Grant has more or less
been foreclosed on. He asked if the D.P.S. is a separate grant and if
this was part of the education.
Ms. Campbell stated yes, it is a separate grant, and the grant has the
recycling component. The final report for the P.I.E. Grant is due on
May 31. The grant is for $10,000, of which $9,000 has been received
and about $4,000 spent. The Met Council may ask for all or part of
the funds to be returned.
Mr. Stark asked if there was any way to change gears and use the money
as they wish.
Ms. Campbell stated the City could ask for a 60-day extension without
review by the Environmental Resource Commission, but it would be
duplicating programs. The City does not have time to develop something
in 60 days and get the required committee approval. Based on past
performance, she did not think the extension would be accepted.
Mr. Stark stated he would like to see at some time an evaluation of
the curbside program and yard waste program such as is being done in
Roseville. By comparing different methods and different costs, any
City could look at the results and see what is being done.
Ms. Campbell indicated that an extension for the D.P.S. Grant had
been approved through December, 1988. The main reason the extension
was requested was to complete workplan items relating to energy audits.
Mr. Bondow asked how many complaints had been received.
Ms. Campbell did not know. Approximately $1,500-$2,000 has been
spent, but Ms. Campbell noted that Mr. Larson would do the inspections
anyway.
4 Mr. Saba indicated he would like to know how many inspections had been
done.
30INT EQC/ENERGY COI�lISSION MEETING, MAY 17, 1988 PAGE 4
Ms. Campbell stated she could provide information as submitted to •
satisfy a requirement of the grant. �
Mr. Saba asked when energy audit workshops would be held.
Ms. Campbell stated the workshops would be held in Community �oom I
probably in June or July.
Mr. Saba indicated he would like to see them scheduled later, perhaps
in September or October.
Ms. Campbell stated she would see what she could do. The way the
program is proposed is the Minneapolis Energy Office will contract
with the building owners to conduct an energy audit. The cost of the
audits are underwritten by Minnegasco. This involves talking about
heating systems of apartment buildings and their maintenance.
Mr. Bondow stated there are current training requirements and licenses
are required by the State of Minnesota through the State safety code.
C. Radon Update
Mr. Bondow is writing an article for the fall newsletter and will
present a rough draft of the article at the next meeting.
3. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Association of Recycling Minutes
Ms. Campbell referred to the Association of Recycling minutes that
were enclosed with the agenda.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Sielaff, seconded by Mr. Bondow, to adjourn the meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE MAY 17, 1988,
JOINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
L�
Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary
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CII'Y �' FR�C
� HI�N P��90U�.S �OrT2ISSI0N MEETIldG, JUI� 2, 1988
rnTT• TO Oi�gt: ,
� . .
C�airperson 5�herek called t3�e Jume 2, 1988, Htm�an Resouroes Camnissian, meeting to
or3er at 7:40 p.m.
�LL CAI�L:
Melci�ers Present: S�e 5herelc. Sue Jackson, Paul Westby, Francis van Dan
Members Absent: Claudia Dodc'�e
Others Present: Bill Hunt, Assistant to the City Mar�ager
APPROVAL OF MAY 5, 1988, H[�1N RE9aURC£5 OQM�SSICN N[Il�T�ES�
MDTION by Mr. Westby, sec�nc]ed by Ms. Jackson,tA aP'Prave the May 5, 1988, Hunan
Resources CaMU.ssion minutes as writt�en.
UPON A VOIC� VO�I'E. AIS� VdTING AYE, CI�IRPF.RSON S� D�CZARID TI� NiCyTI�1 CARRIID
ZJI�NIl�7CXJSLY.
.TM APPROVAL OF AGII�IDA:
MO►TIOi�1 by Ms. Jackson, secosided by Mr. Westby► to appxvve the agenda as writtren.
UPON A VOIC� VC7TE, ALL VOTING AYE, Ci�IFtPER.90N Sf�REK DD� TI� MClTION CARRIID
UI�NII�xXJSLY.
II�7C.�I�1 OF VICE-C�IAIRP�Sa`1:
ChaiYperson 5herek declared the naninati�.s oP�'1 for vioe-dzairperson of the
H�m�rl gesouraes C,o�ussian for 1988-89.
Ms. Jackson �aminated Paul Westi'yy•
Hearing n� other �cmi.natians, Chaizpex� Sherek declared the naYUnati�s for
viv�d�ai rnPrso� closed.
seoonded bY Ms. Jacksan, ta cast a unanimais ballot for
A'�TION b'I' t'+�'. ��, Cac�nissian for 1988-89.
Paul WestbY for Vioe-Chairperso� of tl�e H�'1 ���
UPON A VOI(� VO►I�, AI.L VOrTIt1G AYE. CHAIRP� � D�'�m T� MOTION CARR.IID
U1�NIl�ICXJSLY.
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i�IMAN RE.90��
p�q�tI.SSION N��� � �� 2 • 1988 �
ol.� Bt1SIl1F;SSs 1988 ��s for Hwc�n Servioes
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8. �
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�er Lutheran Chur�h � doin9 a
d there w�
�. Jacksoa� s� � aSibert was absolut�ely oorrect � ��ly related
firre 7d� � d few p�Ple tA do it, it was t�ified in t�erms of
a 1ot of wcxrk t�o a° an �`S �� mBG grants and th�
am and she � � S'� �
Fridley PY'Ogr � terntis of the p��e , �� �,,aere verY
�ty bloc3c 9ra�n�� �vel�nt� St. Willi �� �� � a
who�l� '�gyFridley. Re �i� � ����rvice that reflec �on
part of th�e�i�� ��icler iun3in9
�S �S�y for 1-2 mon
Fridley, i�icated that, if the
�,A and St. Williams
�. g1erelc stated that both t�qether a S�uld be �� tO
Hi�nan Resources C�mission was able �� ca.tian, �Y
teach nutrition ed���� and shvpP�g �
part�.cipa� � do recam�d f�ding t'° theSe
�. �n Dan sta.ted he th��t �t �n �y to each organizatioaz e��Tr
a lett� should be written but that it was verY
�� orqanizations. were a11 �rv� a limite� �°'lnt
�g that the Ca�cn�ission felt they �� �1 wi�en t�►ere w�
difficult for the Ca�issian bo furr3
of f� • the chaz't
��� or,qani zation l�as �� V�en the City
�. Hunt stated that each h��ano f total C9BG funds availab At
of applicatians and the � �zation is informed of that ac �� �ch
Council c�es take action, each org �.zation stating
a letter cx�u7-d be sent tA each or9 but due to the limitation
the sa¢�ne tim�► 1 wortY�while p�r��
orqanization had ar► ext �i tp fu11Y fund each o��zatipn -
of funcls . it was not P°S
�,ng the fu11 a¢�n�nt of
S�� �e ��d � in fawr of reoo��o for Rede�r Lutheran
�. Jackso� �d St . Williaas and mayl�e
funding for both SACA
Church • f both SACA �
�
�. �n Dan stat�ed 2ye w�uld agree with full funding or
St. Williams • tAOlc an
that Redee�er Lutheran Church
should be exPloring shari.n9 t� v�st of that minist�Y
�. Sherek stateci it was her feeling .�- �,y �e n�ot in a critical
� minist.ry arxi �Yand possibly ar�tl�er P�'1 t�u^ou� � early part of
with their c�m P�� f�� � take them �r
situatian. There were eno� �lg be able to locate some
n�ext Y�r+ and bY that time. �t this fun�iT� °°�d be cut ent�'elY.
It was her apinion ��r�le, but she just �-d nat
� g��n- er Lutheran� � �pBG funds to fu� a dlurcii mi.nistry -
feel it was �P�' �
�ir. van Dan statred Yre would sv�yport 1�1s • Sherek' s r�asa��9 •�
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�IAN RE90�CJRCF.S OQ�'MISSION N11�TIl�lG, JLINE 2, 1988 PAGE 3
Ar�alca Co�ty C.A.P. (Seniror Outreadz Worker) - reques}7M $7,093
Ms. 3zere�c stated the qu�estian here was: Are tiieY goin9 to oocifii.nue to fun�d
the Fridley Senio�r Outreaci� Worker with CDBG funds or not?
Ms . Jackson stated she ti�x}ht this .was an extrenely valuable Program an�d
�exvioe to the vanm�uiity. It was dizectly related tA citizens in need. It
was clear that the outreac3i w�orker was a veYy capable persan, and there was
rb questian of the funds being mi.sused. She t]buc�t they shauld vo�tinue
to fund the Senior Outreadz Warlcer.
Ms. 5herek stated that as seniors age and as the senior poQulatio� increases
in Fridley, the kinds of things the Seniar Outreach Worker does becat�es m�re ,
and more important. �e felt this was a valuable reso�urce to have in Fridley.
She would also reca�.nci they c:ontinue tn fund this program.
North Stiibu�an. Center for the Arts - request�.n9_ S2, 500
Ms. S�erek stated she still had a problem with the rseed to put wt a Senior
Center br�chure �en the CoRna�nity Education brodiure was available.
Ms. Jackson stated she felt Ms. Tha�Qson had ma3e a good point abrnit the
value of seniors seeing pictures of seniors in acti.oci. Maybe the solutian
w�uld be to get m�re pictures of seniors in the Cocnmuiity Education brochure.
�' The jar grip�ers seaned the least useful in the cause of praroting the
Senior Citizen Center's sexvioes. The magnets w�ere a nioe sezvice. but of
the three itezns, the bnoc3'iure with the pictures would be the most useful.
Ms. Sherek stated she agreed ti�at of the fihree it�ns, t1�e brochure would be
the ventral it�m; how�ever, it was a lot of moz�ey t:o spend on a brochure.
Ms. 9zerek stated a�e of the on9ain9 Problems she had with the Seniar Center
was the ass�tion that the Senior Center shauldn't oost the seniors anything,
and tA her that assu�tian was a fallacy.
Mr. Westby stated he c3efinitely had a problem with seeing m�rny u.sed far
7 �' �'iPPers and ma�ets •
Ms . Jacksan stated she thauc,�t ti�y had to just 1,odc at the r�eed for the
brod'iure.
Ms. Sherek stated the Senior Center already had their senior r�ewslettrer. If
they want t�o p�licize the Seni.or Center, ti�i they sha�ld put out a special
newsl,etter one month instead of t2ye regul.ar one, put a little extra imr�ey
into it, put sane pictures an the co�ver, and Print some extra wpies that
the Senior Outreach Wbrlc�er can di.stribute that has a list of the ongc�in4
Progra�ns. etc. So, inst.ead of printinq 914 c�opies of the r�wslett�er, print
3,000 ovpies that ane time, blanket all tl�e places Ms. Tho�son had ta]-ked
aUait for di.stributiaa� of a senior brodiure. Zhey ooulci also make one of
the issues of the Caanmity Fduc�tion broc•hure foc�as o� the seniors so that
�:' the pictures all related to �eniors, includin9 the Pictures on the oover.
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ii�"!AN RE90UR(.�5 CXM+�ISSIaN NlF�.TIl�1G, JUI� 2, 1988 PAGE 4
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Ms. 3iere3c stated that altlwuc,� �e bra3zure was a nive idea, in loaking at
the f,vnds available to e.xperyd, the �m�.�nt they w�ere alY�eady talking- about
oa►mitting t� the seniors catre to almost 258 of ti�e total with AOC.P,P al�e.
In her opini�, there were a lot qreater needs.
Ms. Jackson stated she really felt the Camnission had to address �the pec��le
�o have the great:est rieeds.
Ms . szerPx stat�ea that �en they came ric�t dowi, to it, the t�ao requests
fran North S�buzi�an Center for the Arts and the Fridley Senior Center were
reqe�ests for the Senior C�nter. Narth S�aburban Center for the Arts runs
their classes at the Senior Centrer. She felt they alrrost r�ed to be looked,
at as o�e element. The questi4ns were: Do they want to fund these #� it-�ems
at all? If so, hvw mudi? Do they want. to split the airount bet�aeen the t�
or give it all to oa�e or ti�e other? Her personal apinio�n was to fund Sl, 500
to North Stiiburban Center for the Art.s because she thaught it was a very
positive thing, and she felt North Suburban Center for the Arts has shown
that for some of their classes where it was financially feasi.ble, they have
gotten to the break-�:�n point. They have set their fees at a level that
she felt was affordable to seniors.
NLs. Sherek stated that as far as fu�ding for the Senior Center, although
these were all nioe ideas, they were not the kind of things she felt they
should spend CUBG monies ai.
� Ms. Jackson stated she w�ild like to see the Senior Center make use of other
. oamauu.ty resources instead of starting fran scratch.
Ms. 5herek stat�ed she felt the Senior Center was already being pravided with
a lot of things at rb v�st to the seniors. Their entire executive director
oosts and entire facilities vosts are basically funded at m oost to the
seniors .
Zlze Alexarxlra ii�use - requesting 53,500
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Ms. Jackson stated she felt pretty stro�gly that this shauld be f�. St�e
stated Ale�candra H4use deals with crisis women and children, and really issues
of safety. She thou�t it was a valuable and isnp�rtant serviae to the
cantairiity.
Ms . 3ierek stated that Aleacarxira Aon�se had to turn away three people for
e�'xY P��� ��-i' served last year, just because the ne�d is there. Because
Alexandra Hoia.se prwide,s such a unique servioe, she felt it shauld be fully
funded.
Mr. Westvy statsd he agreed. If the servive was not there, there wvuld be a
great loss . '
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Abrth S�urban Consi�ner Advoc�.at�es for the Handi (NSCAH) - tin
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Ms. Sherek stat,ed s�at N.9CAH was Praposing was essentially sanething the
Catmissiai had suggested they do as a seYVice to Fridley, and the budget
for �at ti�y were intending to do seeined reasonabl.e . s
Mr. W�estby stated he t2�u�t a handicap�ed ac�oessibility boolclet w�uld be
vpxy useful, but it se�ned like a lot of moQ�ey goir�g far paper instead of a
seivive.
Ms . Shere�c stated printing wo�uld be an exvellent thing to tty to get scme iri-
kind help. Mr. Ellingw�rth did say that if tiiey were nat fLa�led the full •
atmunt, they wvuld still plan to go foxward with the project. Maybe the
CoRmissiai should look at recam�ending $1,800-2,000 which could be used, for
exattple, for the oost of paper if NSCAii can get saneone else tA prwide tl�e
printing oosts..
Ms. Jacksoai stated she wvuld hat�e to turn do�m fiar3ing for sa�ething the
Cocmussi� actually requested. She stated it was a servioe for not oa�ly the
I�l'Si�Y handicapped, but also the seniors.
1�. Himt stated when the bodclet was put together last time, there was a little
mot�y that came fran the City, and the pec�ple .involved with putting the bodclet
= together also went ar�und and g�t saae grants. Sane of that kirr3 of mor�y
�' mic�t be available to ti�em again this tim�.
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Ms. S�erek stated her recannendation wauld be tro fund $1,800-2,000 to NSCAH
with the reoo�ndation that N9CAFi seek other in-kind fundilig.
Ar�olca County Association for Retarded Citizens (To
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NLs. Jackson stated it was unfortunat�e that suc3i a large aTmunt of the budget
was for liability insuraryoe.
Ms. Sherek stated that when they initially funded ARC last year with st.art
up oosts for the Toy Lending Librazy, it was not h+er understanding that
they w�ould be oaning back every year for more funding. She stated part of
what was explained to the Camtiissioci was not �ly the destru�cti� of t,oys.
but the fact that �e �rid far the m�re popul.ar t�oys, whi� ha�pen to be
the most e�erLSive toys, has far auUa�eic�ed what t1�y have been able to supply.
W�at ARC miqht have to faoe is the fact that maybe they will have t,� limit
theis audienoe to strictly tY�e de�elop�nentally delayed and physically i�ar�di-
capped ci�ildren or by in�cne, etc. -, . .�
Ms. Jadcsan stated she did nat think Mr. Bridc an.s�aered the questi�ns very
well about the kinds caf t�vys they hav�e that are specifically useful. Iie did
say the toys seemed t,o be well taken care of by the faQnilies. St�e was nat
s�se haw the faanilies we.re scx+eeried.
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Ms. St�erek stated it seaned that anyone �o oocnes in and pays the dues can
borrow the toys without c�arge . That did not seem a reasor,�ble approach
to a scaroe resaurce like this. Sare of the tays Mr. Bridc was ta73cing �t--
the $100+ rrotor skilLs �oys --rwere t,oys iots of f a�nilies would lave to have .
Again, she clid not underst-.ar�d last year� that this would be an cuigaing request
for sup�ort. 9ze thoax�zt ARC was goi.ng to attenpt to be m�re self-sustaining.
iehen they are ta]king about a 5200 tay and a family barrvwing it for a
three-morith period, mayl�e in additian to the annual fee, there sho�uld be a
charge for the use of ti�e tays.
Ms. Jackson stated she w�uld be m�re s�rtiv�e if she knew what these toys
were--if they were adaptive kinds of toys for children with very special
needs--children with limited mobility, for exa�le. ,
Ms. Sherek agreed. This �vy Lending Li.braYy was intended for childrP� with
mobility proble�. The whole foc�ys of the librazy was n�ot what she originally
had envisio�ied it t�o be.
Ms. Jackson statsci it also bothered her that out of a budget of over $12,000
for a Tay Lending Li.brary, oaily $1,500 was for toys. A lot of m�ney was
spent on rent and personnel. It just did not segn very oost-efficient. With
having to pay out $1,100 for insurance, maybe ARC should consider just buying
the toys and giving then to families of chi.ldren with special probl�.
Mr. Hunt stated that last year, the budget was $6,700, with about $3,000 for
tays.
Ms. Sherek stated she wrndered if the liability situaticn wauld be ariy
different if the tays were di.stributed as opposed t� being rented out. If
they are talking about either specific adaptive kinds of tays or specific
adaptati�s being made to toys to make them usable, that was o�e thing, but
if they are buying tays because these are ex�s�sive tvys that peq�le canr�t
afford, th�n she could not go al�g with that.
Ms. Jackson stat�ed it was her initi.al feeling to riot fund ARC for the Tay
Tant3ing Libraiy. 5he would reaLly ].ike the imney to go directly for toys.
Ms. Sherek stated she w�ould z�eoor�rend funding $1,000, but stipulate that the
mo�y w�uld be used oaily for adaptive kinds of tcyys--those tays which cannot
be purchased off the shelf at a regular tay stare, but which �nust be purchasecl
fxnm a resource for c3evelo�nentally impai.red chil�ren.
Ms. Jacksoai stated she w�uld be mudi more ca�ortable with Ms. Sherek's
reoa��c3ati�n.
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Zhe Ca�mi.ssirners agreed to fvnd a little more to Central Center for Family
ibeso�uroes and then divide the balaryoe betw�een Family Life Mental Health
Cent�er and North S�burban CaunseLing Center. The ratianale behind funding
a little m�re to Central Cent�er was that Central Center did irore for fa¢nily
v�urLSeling.
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M(YrI(�1 by Mr. van D2tn, seoonded by Mr. Westby. t� reoo[m�end bo the City
,; Ca �1 1988 mBG funding to huna�n serviae.s oz�ganizatians as fo]..Yvws:
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Southern Aryoka Conmaiity Assist.anoe $5.000 $5,Q00
, Church of St. Williamn (Fbod Shelfl 1,040 1,000
R�ner Lutheran (l�urcii (Caring & Sharing Hanc'i� 1,200 -4-
I�brth S�iburi�an Cent�er for the Arts
Fridley Senior Citizen Center
AOC�P (Senior outreacii woYicer)
The Alexandra House
North S�burl�r► Canstaner Advoc.at�es for the
Handica�ed
A.R.C. (Zby Ler�din9 LibrarY�
Central Center for Far�uly Iaesources
Family Life Mental Health Center
"� I�bYth Subu�an Co�.selinq Cent�er
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2,000
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3,500
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3,150
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5,000
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3,500
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$31,398
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ar3aptive tc�ys only. "Aclaptiv�e tays" being ti�ose tays which are intended
specifically for chiLdr�n with limited mot-or mobility or �o are develqr
mentally i�aired,
t�at are not available off the shelf in ariy tay stare.
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CARRI.ID UII�INIl�1(XJ5LY.
OLD BLSIl�S: .
a �.sic3eratian of 1988-89 Worlq�lan .
Ms. Sherdc stated that at the last �izig. the Qamassiori me�ers had
a�dded an item to the warkplan wx7er Aunan Servioe Neecls. She stated the
workplan was app�v�ed at the last meeting, � it aould z�ow be trans-
mitted wi� these �nnutes fi� �e Planning Qanm�dssio� a�d City 'CauiciL
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PAi�iC.S & 1�CF�.TIQ�1 �!�'II��SSICN N�TING, JLt� 6, 1968
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Q�aixpersca� Kazdridc called the Jur�e 6, 1988, Parks & Recxeatiai Oc��anissi�
meeting t�o order at 7:29 p.m. at Springbrodc Nature Denter.
1�LL C�IS,:
Me�ers Prnsent: Dave Kondrick, MaYy Sdzreiner, Dick Young, Dan Allen,
Me�ers Absent: John Gargaro ,
Others Pxesent: Jadc Kirk, Director of Aecreaticn & Natural iiesourves
APPRfJVAL OF N�IY 2, 1988, PARitS & I�CF�'ATICN OONIlKLSSION NBNtTt'ES:
M7I'ION by Mr. Allen, seoonded by Ms. Sdzreiner, to a�pro�ve the May 2, 1988,
Parks & Recreation Ocmmission minutes as written.
UPCN A VOICE W►I�, ALL� VOTING AYE, Q3ATRPF•RSON KCR�IDRICK D�D Tf� M7rICN
CARRIID C[�fANZNDt�LY .
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�e follvwing items were added ta the agenda �mcie.r "Staff Report" :
B. Request for an O�en Air Shelter at Creekridge Park
C. Ietter to Mayor and City Oouncil regarding a Oo[tplaint
about Ball Playing at the Qatm�mity Park
M7rICN by Mr. Young, seanded by Ms. Schreiner, to approvie the agenc7a as
s mitted.
L�C7N A WICE W►I�, ALL VU�ING AYE, Q3ATRPERSCN KONDRIQC IECLARED Tf� M7�I(N
CARRIED LNI�NIM'JiSLY.
1. STAFF R'EPORT:
a. 49'er Days
Mr. Kirk stated he wanted to � the Oo�nissicn �ers that 49'er Days
wnuld begin � Wec�nesday, Jtme 15, and wvuld nm throuc� Surxiay, June 19.
Zhe parade would be on Wec�nesday evening with the same raute as in the past.
�ere will be a reviewing stand (the Shc�m�bil,e whicfi they are borrowing
from Brooklyn C�enter) at Hayes Shcool ai Mississippi St. �e carnival will
be at Q�l�ia Arena �ursday �rou� Sunday. Also at Cbltmi�ia Arena, the
following bands wiZ2 perform f.ree a�verts: �e RoGcin' Hollywoocis on Friday
ni�,t, Rea woif sana on sat,�aay ni�t, and Limited taarranty on Saturday
af ternoo�.
PARECS & RDCRFA3'IQJ �'A'�SSICN MEErING, J[I� 6, 1988 PAC� 2
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b. Aequest for an Open Air Shelter at Creekridge Park
Mr. Kirk statQd they have reoeived a petitirn fra*.► the r�eighborhood. for
an apen air shelter at Creekridge Park. He stated city progranming is
held at the park. 'IIzere are a lot of . dlildren in the area, and rb �ture
trees to offer ariy shade or relief frcm the hat w�eather. He stated it
was a tough situatian.
Mr. Kirk stated he wauld request this be put in the Parks (Public Warks)
1989 budget; aaid if any f�mdirig bec�ne availabl,e before then, it w�uld be
one of his t�ap remRm�datio�s. .
1�. Yotmg asked if �e playgraund pro9ram oould be held at Harris Lake
where there was a paviliari.
Mr. Kirk stated that �ras discussed, but it w�uld mean children crossing
Mississippi Street whidz is a vezy busy street, and there was oppositi�
to that. 'IYiey have discussed having scme of the playgro�d activities there
where the dlildren would walk uver with their leaders, but it did rr.�t seem
like a c3uod situatirn to have the entire playground progra¢n there.
ND�TICN by Mr. Young, sevonded by Mr. Allen, to reoeive the petitio� for
an open air shelter at C�ieekridge Park.
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c. Letter to rlayor and City Co�cil regarding CoRp].aint about Ball Playing
at the Canrnuzity Park
Mr. Kirk stated they have received a letter of caiplaint abalt the ball
playing at Canmmity Park. He stated he had been asked to read the letter
and take the apprapriate actio�. i�e stated it was the type of ooanplaant
they get from time to time- ; haaever, qanes are �t schechil�ed late at the
park ar�d are usually over by 10:15 p.m
2. NEW HUSINFSS:
a. City Band Request
rir. Rirk stated the City Band is asking for soat�e additianal oanoert money
�or 1989. In the past they have requested $150%noert for a max.inn.un of
7 oonoerts. For 1969, the City Band is requestir►q 10 conoerts at $150%onoert.
Mr. Al1en stated he would feel better about approving an increase in oonoerts
if he kriew �ere the band oonoerts ta�uld be sdzeduled.
Mr. Rondrick stated he agreed with Mr. Allen. iie did not agree with just
authorizing $150/ooricert for 10 vo�nverts withc�ut some kind of sdzedule of
�en and �ere these oonoerts wvuld be held. He had nothi.ng against the
additional manies, but just w�ould like to know "�en" and "where" .
PARK.S & i2DC�EATI�1 OOi"MISSICN D�T1NG, JUI� 6, 1988 PAGE 3
Mr. Rirk suggested the Ccc�missi� go ahead and approve the 7 oonoerts at
$150%onoert and then request a schedule where the additional c�ricerts will
be held and the,n apprave the City Band's additianal request at ar�ttier
meeting.
Mr. Al1en stated he w+�uld like t� ask the City Band to vonsider putting on
-a oonoert at Benjamin-Briardale Park. He would also li.ke tA see the City
Band perform at different parks a little mar'e.
Nf0►TI�1 by Mr. Allen, sev�nc3ad by Dtis. Sc�reiner, to appro�ve the 1989 7 concerts
at $150%onoert, and to request that the City Barid submit a sc�edule and
separate request for the three additional oonoerts for appro�val by the
Parks & Recreation Cannission.
UPC)N A VOICE VO►I'E, ALL VO�ING AYE, QiAIRPg2.SOr1 KOPIDRICK DDQ�9 THE riClrlON
C ARRI ID I J 1�1N Il�'YJU SLY .
3. OR'HER BUSIIIESS:
a. Non-Recyclable City Newsletters
Mr. Yotmg stated his san recently picked up the Fridley City Newsletter and
read the article about recycling and waste manageme,nt; then read the list of
recyclable and nonrecyclable it:ems. One n�onrecyclable item is glossy paper,
on wi�ich the City of Fridley prints its city newsletters.
Mr. YoLmg stated his son then wrote a letter to the Mayor, the Editor of the
Fridley Focus, and the F�vironmental Quality Comnission. The response he
reoeived was that the City want�ed glossy paper far appearance's sake.
Mr. Yo�mg stated he felt if the City is going to have a display an recycling
and waste management in its newsletter and ryow at Sprin�xoolc Nature Center
they have fundi.ng far curricul�n c3evelqxrent for environmental educatian,
then it was also up to the Parks & Recreatian Department to make sure that
evezything that cares out of that Depastment is printed � recyclable paper.
Also, it should be not�ed an this paper that it is recyclable paper and
encourac�e peoQle to recycle that paper.
Ms. Schreiner stat�ed Mr. Young and his son had brought up a very good point.
AU70URI�MEE1�iT :
MO2ION by Mr. Allen, seco�ded by Mr. Young, to adjaurn the meeting. Upon a
voioe wte, all wting aye, (�aizperson Ko�ndx'ick declared the June 6, 1988,
Parics & Recreation Co�mnission meeting adjo�r�ed at 7:47 p.m.
Respectfully subanitted,
V I�
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Reoording Secretary
C�+4-1l������i i1a�'�
HWSIl�]G & RE�'VII,OPi�Nr Ai7'IHORI�'Y NIINU'IF.S. JUI� 9. 1988
(7�T,T, TO ORLER:
Chairperson Comners called the June 9, 1988, Housing & Redev�lopment
Authority meeti.ng to �der at 7:12 p.m.
RCY�, CAIL :
Menbers Present: Lany �rs, Virginia Schnabel, Duane Prairie
Jahn Meyer
Manbers Absent: Walter Rasnussen
Others Present: Nasim 4�'eshi. Director of HI2P.
Rick PribY1. CitY F�narLCe Director
Julie Burt, Asst. Finailce Officer
I�ve NE�vn�an, HI�A Atton�cy
Lou & Jur�e L�mdgren, 343 Kellogg Blvd. , St. Paul
William Fogerty, 12340 Radisson Rd., Bla.irie
�m & Marge Bric}rner, 1441 Rice CYeek Road
Bruce & C�ndace Ltmdgren, 342 0 Bavaria Rd. , Q�aska �
RicY�ard Nbchinski '
APPROVAL OF N�,Y 12, 1988, i�USING & RIDEVEC�OPN�TI' AUPIifJRITY MII�TI�'S:
MOTI�I by Ms . Schr�abel , sec�a�ded bY Mr. Meyer, to approve the May 12 , 19 8 8,
Housing & R,ec3�avelqznent Auth�rity minutes as written.
UPCN A VOIC:E VO►I'E. ALL VOTIl� AYE, ���-�N Q��iS DEQ�ARED THE MO'�'ION
C�RRIED UNANII�L7tJSLY.
apI�IDERP,TION OF LOU LUI�IDGREN' S PROF�SAL:
Mr. Ne�anan handed aut a cony of a letter fram Centesuli.al Mortgage that Mr.
Lundgren had fonaarded to staff that afternoon. He also handed out a
rec�iction of the plan Mr. Lunr3�ren wauld be showin9 the HIZA at th�e meeting.
Mr. NeHanan stated that ai Tuesday, J�me 7, a meeting was held attended by
Mr. Lundgren, Mr. Ltmd+c��en's attorney, Mr. Jacobsen, Mr. Casserly, Mr.
Rd�ertson, and himself. �iey reviewed the status of the devela�ment. They
had the opport�ity to discuss with Mr. Ltmdgren sane of the ruIInbers the HIZA
saw two weeks ago at their special meeting and to get Nbc�. Lundgren's input.
Tt�ey did make sca�e changes to the rnunbers Yaased o� the inforn�ati� received
f rcm N�-. Lund�z�en.
Mr. Netiatr3n stated evexy�e reoo9nizes that time is of the essence, and as
the conversation evolved, they were not in the position to act on the
rnIInbers they w�ere changin4. because staff had mt had time to evaluate the
zn�nbers. At the en�d of the discussian, the p�'vposal on the table was that
N�. L�dgren would tty to p��oceed withaut rhe r�eed fzYm the HIzA to coa�struct
the parking ranip-- that he wrnL1d handle all that himself . The HIZA would
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ii'"J[TSIl�1G & REL�V�,OPi�lr AiTI%IpiRITY �ETIl�1G, JiJNE 9, 1988
pravide to the developer the site fully prepared. Mr. Lundgren woul d
acquire it at a cost of S2/sq. f t., and that gayment w�uld be deferred over
a period � time. I�. Lundgren also �nphasized that his co�nitment and
interest was i.n cbing the total pt�ase develognent, and he spent some time
discussing how those phases w�ould occur ar�d the requirenents that have to be
met before subsequent phases cauld begin.
Mr. N�anan stated he felt they reached a general concensus on the type of
standard they w�ei-e looking at. At this time, he would like to give Mr.
L��'� � oPPort�tY to p�'esent to the HIZA the discussions he has had
with Centennial Mnrtgage and advise the HIZA on what he has done since the
last HIZA meeting, str�w drawings of his plan, etc. Af ter that, Mr. Newman
w�ould like I�. Jim C�sserly to review the latest rnanbers that have been run
as a result of the cliscussio�s ce1 June 7.
Mr. LuQ-idgren stated that in the material which he sent with his letter was a
� 9�F� w�.�h illustrated the tim�e factors that they would like to base
their phases cn. Sir�ce they first started meeting � this project, a rnanber
of changes have been made and yet there are sane things that are exictly the
same. Ziie things that are to be put in this project have not changed.
FY�an the beginning, they started to put the f irst phase in the spot where
there are no build,ings. That had several advantages in the sense that
mthing had to be toni c3own in arder to sta�.t oo��strvcticm. �e process of
the HI�A providing the land for this building, fran a practical point of
view, meant that the HIZA was aoquiring Iand for this building and a good
portioaz of the land far Phase III. Zhe land tmder Phase II was already in
the hands of the HIZA
Mr• Ltmdgren stated that in this perticular plan, the office p�rtion of the
building did r�ot occupy the Burger King site. Zhere were several advantages
to leaving the Burger King building there. It was an independent aperati�,
it oould stand on its aan, plus the fact that it was costly to acquire.
I�. Lundgren stated that in the communication froan Centennial Mortage,
Centennial did r�ot tell him how �ach the aertgage will be, and they did not
give the exact day when he will get the coatunitment. They said a firm
oatmitrnent should be issued on or about june 24. They said they would
co�tinue to pursue the potential p3rticip3tion in offering a belaw market
interest rate to i�rove the project eoonanics for potential mortgage.
Mr. Lundgren stated in the staff ineeting, they discussed the previous
request that has been before the HRA where the HRA gave consideration to
prwiding the stn�ture of the ramp. That coul d be done ; hawever, i t was
his apinicn that it was still oomplex and samething that should be avoided
if they can.
Mr'• Limdgren stated he ass� they would be meeting again the follawing
week with city staff to firnn up some of the other things. Things are
getting a little behind, and they r�d ab�ut 2_3 such meetings to arrive at
a ooaicensus. He tiw�ught the June 7th meeting had been vezy productive.
Zi�eY looked at a lot � different alternatives, and he felt they were on the
path to getting s�mewhe.rn.
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HOUSIIJG & RIDEVII�OPN�TP�UIHOrRITY �Il�]G, JLlt� 9. 1988
N�. L�mdgren stated he thought the letter fro�n Terzy Chuvala was sincere,
and he thought they would get their fiun catmihnent, that it will be large
enou� to m�k,e this project gr� and that they will be able to close at this
approximate time. Within th+e riext couple of weeks, he expected to get a
fiun caimitmerit prepared far Phases II, III, and N based oaz the feas3bility
study. Fach funder has a different kirrl of lesx3er. He felt he could pursue
each phase simultaneously and still ]Ueep on schedule. They expect they are
gc�ing to have a lot of prablens, but he thaught it was all v�nrkable.
I�. Ca►Tners stated that at the last HIZA meeting, staf f had shared sosne
ocabcerrLS f ran the f inancial viewpoint of the proj ect.
1�. Limdgren stated �e of the dif f erences of opinion was that they are
using some rn.unbers that were pulled aut of the air insofar as what they were
prn�osing. Th�y are using the mun��ers that have always been proposed. He
stated he very much appreciated Mr. Casserly putting this financial
inforn�ticaz together. The infarmatio� was helpful. and it made the meeting
mo�e fruitful t1�an it wauld have been if theY had rnt had those rnmibers.
M�.. �ers as}cQd if Mr. Terry Chuvala was still talking about a problem
with the tax per tmit.
I�. Lundgren stated there was a pmblan there, and it was a ftmdamental� and
vexy real prcablen.
Mr. N�m�an stated Mr. C�sserly has scn�e revisi�s and satbe mar'e infoYmation
at the meeting prepared as a result of the modifications Mr. Lundgren has
requested. These rnm�bers also reflected ta�aes at $900/unit.
Mr. Casserly stated that after the June 7th meeting, staff asked Mr.
Lundgren and his people to pravide staff with any data they thought was
realistic in tezms of what theY could do. Mr'. L�mdgren and his people did
take issue with scme of staff's assu�tica�s, which was good. The only real
si�ificant changes in the ass�mptica�s show uP o� the PaJe entitled "Market
Valuation" (attacY�ed to his me� to the HI�A dated Jime 9. 1988) . The 5900
per tmi.t was presented to staff as being far unz'e realistic in terms of what
the competition might be charging. That would put them more in the
mark,etplace. Staff has been using $1,350 per tiaiit.
N�. Qanners asked ix�w the $900 per Luiit oaripar'ed to staff's oam�rables.
Mr. Casserly stated that at staff's request, the Maxfield Study was also
reviewed as to the a�rn.nzt of taxes, and th+ose were thought to be some�what
canparable to the pr�ject NSr• Ltimdgren is proposing. The taxes and those
ocrnparables were pretty much in the $900 per imi.t range. The $900 obviausly
has the ing�act of reducing the a¢nount of tax incre�ent.
Mr. Casserly stated N�. Ltmdg�'en and his group Pointed out that they do not
think the City will be financing the cost of the ramp which was a vezy
e�ensive prnposition f� the City. If theY Pull out that $850, 000 expense.
they can see what happerLS.
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t�. Casserly stated that for Phase II, it was also suggested that taxes be
set at 5900 per iaiit. They had put in 100 tmits, but Mr. Lundgren said his
proposal has always been discussed with 12 0 units or in that range. Mr.
Lur�dgren told staff to put in 119 imits, and the taxes they were using for
Phase II were rau�ly the santie. The City had $110, 000 down befouce. ` and naw
tr� have 5107,000.
I�. C�sserly stated that oa� Phase III, the City had oonsidered having 35,000
sq. ft. of caRmercial, and Mr. Lundgren indicated his proposal has always
irycludcd 60, 000 sq. ft. of leasable s�ce, and that the City's tax rate per
square foot would be a little hi�. He suggested staff do it at $2.15 per
square foot for 60,000 sq, ft. That was haw staff arrived at $129,000.
Their projecticns befare were $85,000 so there was a considerable increase
here.
I�. Casserly stated that an Phase IV, again they used 35, 000 sq. ft. Mr.
L�mdgren said the prr�posal has always been 60, 000 sq. ft. and at taxes pf
$2.50 per sq. ft., it would generate $150,000 in taxes as opposed to
scmething j ust under $100, 000 which th,ey had pi,�j ected p,reviously.
Mr. Casserly stated there was a �onsiderable tax ir�crease for Phases III and
N. F'hase II was about the san�e, and Phase I was somethinq less. The other
rn.unbers were generated mechanically. -
N�. Casserly stated Phase III was, in fact, oante�lated to be a one-story
arm�rcial cesiter with underground parking, and the office building was
ccmtenplated to be a si�story office lx,iilding. He stated Mr. Lundgren had
pointed aut that when he cut off the district at the year 2002 and Phase N
doesn`t start until four years fram now, what is happening is they are
really ccmpressing th,e aanvunt of increneizt that is available for the entire
proj ect. Mr. Lundgren' s peopl e thought that if the HRA was will ing to
ccnmit itself to 11 full years of incrsnent in Phase I, they ought to pursue
that for each phase. Mr. C�sserly had told them the HRA has not had any
discussi� c� this, so what was oontair�ed in his infozmation was that each
p�iase was self-oontair�ed but uses 11 full years of ir�cranent.
Mr. Casserly reviewed the numbers on the page entitled "Lundgren
Assi.unptions, Surrunazy - Phases I through N" (page 6 attached to Mr.
Casserly's mano tA the HIZA dated Jtuie 9, 1988) .
Mr. Casserly stated that there were two big ��s they w�ere dealing with:
(1) Z%ey are dealing with a bond rate which was not terribly realistic at
7.2- 7.3$. �iat is a very aggressive rate based � the fact that the City
has sane bonds, but that is absolutely nQ guarantee they are going to be
able to have that kind of rate when they go out finance scane of those
aoquisitic�s. In the asstanptions he had also used 10$ bond rate just to
siiow the HI�A the difference. (2) Wtrether the site can be develo�ed with the
density tht is being suggested, because the tax increment is a direct
fimctian of that. Zbe oosts are going to be fixed, but their revenues can
vasy c� the a�nount of value put oci the pz�aperty.
I�. Casserly stated he had put in an inflation factor from the beginning
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using 3$. I�. L�mdgren and his peaple have cb�e that in their pro fozmas,
so this o�rresponds with the pro fozmas they have prepared. He was mt sure
that was entirely acctu'ate � ocrcmercial property. Part o� the problecn was
ttley cb mt have a nioe even 3$ inflatio¢�. ..
Mr. Newman stated staff wanted to bring these latest rnunbers before the
C�nnission. As discussed earlier, when doing redevelopment, true
redevelognent such as this is, property is much more expensive. As a
result, the investsnent by the HIZA is going to be greater. They have had
sa►ie discussians about the assurg�tions Mr. Lundgren was making and staff
wantecl to tak,e the c�pportunity to present t�wse to the HRA to see if those
asstanpticros were correct. If the HRA was comfortable enough with these
numbers and wanted staff to co�tinue, he thought tYiey wr�uld need to see the
ccirmibment Mr. Lundgren intends to obtain fram Centennial M�oYtgage. Staff
has indicated an absolute deadline of June 28. In all ho�,esty, there are a
lot of issues that need to be resolved and a considerable amount of work
that has to be done, plus the fact that Centennial will n�ot have their
va�mi�ent to 1�. Lundgr�en imtil cn ar about June 2 8. It was going to be
ptiysically in�ossible to put toc�ther this transacticm to the degree staf f
will be art�fc�table with.
Mr. N�anan stated if the HI�A continues to be comfortable with this, they
shrn�ld authorize staff to �'ant Mr. Lundgren an additicmal 60 day exten�ion
� his letter of credit, �r�viding that by the end of the business day on
J�me 27, a written formal oatmi�it is received fram Centennial or anyone
e1se, plus scme reasonable assurance that they have the range of f inancing
far 100� of the project. If the HIZA was co�nfortable to that extension,
staff would i�r�ediately begin preparing the develc�lt contract and ha�ner
aut the deta.ils so tt�at at the July 14th HIZA meetng, staff can con►e back
with sc�ie agreed-upon specif ics and pz�oceed f �an there.
I�. Oatmers asked what staff's r�mendatioai was.
I�. Qureshi stated ttiat, as the HI�A rsnenbered, about 1 1/2 years ago staf f
had re�_nded the HIZA draw ori the letter of credit. At that time, the HI�A
cho_�e to give Mr. Limdgren m�re time. If N�. Newm�ri and Mr• Casserly have
the feeling the project can be closed and are recaRmending an extension of
60 days, since the HIZA has 9one his far, it might be reasonable to cyrant the
6�day extensio�, oontingent upon staff receiving infozmation of viable
financing by June 27. If that does not happen, it would be his
recaamer�la,ticm t,o draw on the letter of credit.
I�. �rs asked tl�at on the basis of th+e revised rnanbers, did Mr. Newman
and I�. Casserly think the I�A shoul d be co¢nf or tabl e enough to grant the
60-day extensioal?
Mr. C�sserly stated :ne numbers were only as good as the data. If Mr.
L�mdgren can build 120,000 sq. ft. of commercial/office space, the ta�s
that are being suggested were mt aut of lirie. He had used the average mill
rate arer the last six years which was about 9 or 10 mills less than the
current mill rate. He had phased in sane � the phases over a n��er of
years. If, in fact, any of them could be ci�one sooner, it, of course,
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increases the �t of revenue coaning in. The kind of guarantees �hey
wrnild have tc� get in the develc�ment agreenent t� oontinue each subsequent
phase w�uld be part of the negotiation that would have to go on. There
really has beeii r�o discussion oai that. Having 11 years of increments on a
r�.�develqsnent project was r�ot at all unusual. They would not have to be
uncanf�table in that respect.
Mr. C�sserly stated his questi�s were: What is the size of the mortgage
and is the ramp in o� out? If the mortgage is what is shavn on the pro
fo�mas that were give� to then the begirming of the week for approximately
$6 1/2 million, the City's ooristnycti� costs being $8 millics�, that was $1
1/2 million that was going to have to be acoounted for, and he was assuming
��aY �s was suPposed to work was it was supposed to be a$10 million
project with an $8 million martgage. �ere were a lot of major things that
have to go �, and they have to haPPen Pr'ettl' quicklY- He stated he was mt
so iuicanfartable with tl�e n�nbers if these are the kinds of proj ects that
can really g� in ai this site.
I�'. Newman stated he felt oanf�table if th,ere was a market for the project.
He was fairly oonfident they can put the rnsnb�rs together so it can work.
As he had stated before, the HRA was going to have to make a greater
cxnmitrnent ca� this proj ect than they have in the g3st. He did think i t was
very realistic to assur�e tr�at a projectio� of 7.22$ o� the bonds was gping
to be i,ar'd. He stated his greatest ooncern, of o�urse, �,as with the first
P��•
Ms. Schnabel stated that sir�ce t.hey have cat�e this far, they prc�bably should
grant the 60-day extensi� oa� the letter of credit, pr�avided the documents
that are necess�.-�sy are received by staff before the letter of credit was
due. She stated she did mt have a great level of comfort on the figures
the HIZA has been given. She did not sense a lot of enthusiasm froqn Mr.
C.�sserly that the fig�ues were workable. She stated she was very nervous
about the cbllar amoaint the HIZA wauld be out in the beginning, and she was
wc�-ried abaut the rental market in this area. She had a lot of adverse
feelings abaut this project ric�-it r,ow, but sh,e did rnt think she wanted to
"Pull the rug" if there was samething to work with by the end of the mc�th.
1�'. Meyer stated he felt nn�ch the sanbe way as Ms. Sctu��l. T��, still do
not have ariything specific for this site at this time; yet Mr. Lundgren's
proj ect was the only proj ect gr,�ing at this time and he coul d not see where
it wrn�ld do ariy haizn tA qive him another 60 days to see what hap�er�s.
Mr. N�n stated there are other develc�pers interested in developing this
site. They have been receiving inquiries; however, right naw they are
focusing all their ener�gies � Mr. Lundgren's proj ect and are mt talking to
other p�vple.
1�. Prairie stated what bothered him was that the HIZA has given Mr. Lundgren
extension after extensioa�, and it still does not sean like they are getting
anY closer. After 60 days, they wi11 be aut of the constn�ctio� season for
this year.
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Mr. Newman stated he suspected that with Mr. Lundgren or any other
developer, they are already i.nto the 1989 o�nstzvctioai season.
I�. aanners stated it seened to be the ooncensus of the I�iA that they. would
grarit the 60 day extensio�; but the questi� was whether o� mt theY should
� it oontingent upon Mr. Lundgren providing the Centennial Mortgage or
e�a�e other m�rtgdge oa�xrty carmi�nent by JLU1e 27.
I�. Meyer stated tY�at in the last month or so they have seemed to ccane a
great dea1. nearer to scn�e sort of finaricing even though it is still poles
apart frcm where they w�'e hoPing to be at this time.
Nir. Nehmran stated that if the HRA was thinking about the likelihood of
an,other d,eveloper ocming in, it might be better to r+ed�ice the extension to
30 days ratt�r than 60 days. Staff could then �te the HI�A at their July
14th meeting, and the HIZA could p��oceed from there. Historically, there has
always been a flurzy of activity as deadlines approach and that is why he
liked the deadline of June 27 for the conunitment, but it might well be
samething over which Mr. Lundgren has no a�ntrol.
MDTION by Ms. Schnabel. seconded b1' I"�• Prairie, to extend Mr. Lundgren' s
letter of credit f�- 30 da.ys timtil July 26, and ask sta.ff to 91ve the HIZA an
upc7ate on the status of N�. Ltmdgren's groject at the July 14th i�tA meeting.
UPCd�] A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTIN� AYE� Q�A��►9� �M�'S DEC3�ARED TfiE MCYTION
C�RRIED UNANIlKXJS'LY.
A,�. Lundgren he stated he did appreciate the HRA's extension. He stated
they are about 98� close right naw, and he felt they were vezy close to
being able tA oan�e to sane agree��ent with staff. He was assuming the HRA
was rnt including in the tim�e extensio� the ve�Y obviaus thing of closing,
�c�,use there are things the HIZA has to do that i'ie would have no control
avex.
I�r. �nmers stated that was c�n'ect.
Mr. Casserly stated the mortgage oar�panY was 9oing to want to knaw if the
City is going to work with the $900/unit figure. The reason that will
becat�e important is because it has to cb with the a�nviuit of caverage and t-he
size of the mortga9e which can be secu�'e�• �t is the rnmiber they should
pznUably w�or'k with because at this point it would not be advantageous n�t
to. That is the rn.anber that is going to have to be used to be campetitive
in the mark,etplace.
Mr. Ctznnez's stated ttle HIZA did mt oo�trol that rnanber.
I�. Casserly a�eed they did mt, but what they will be doing is setting a
minim�n level of which that wi11 be the floor. So, whatever niunber that
enc�s up being. theY are 9ning to want to at least have an agree�nt that it
wi11 mt be less than a taxes gerierated of $900. He lQ�ew tl�at vras going to
be part of the dis�cu.ssions and j ust wanted to alert tive I�2A.
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1�. 4�mers stated that, as he imderstood it, the revised p�ojections, using
the $900 per �it figure, were close to working fa�r the averll develoFanent
h�sed � the assu�tice�s discussed by N�. Casserly at this meeting.
N�-. Casserly stated t1�at was �orrect.
OJI�LSIDERATION OF NDC��I.SKI RDQUFST FOR SITE Il�VII�TI`S L�,IAN:
Mr. Qureshi stated this was a piece of property northeast of the
intersection at Central Avenue/Rice CYeek Road, just south of the new
satellite fire stati�. He stated I�. Mochins}ci Was requesting assistance
in soil correctioa� and sane drainage w�or}c in the amount of $145, 000. Mr.
Rabex�tson had written a mano dated Jtu�e 3(agenda page 2) advising the HitA
tl'�at if they desire to assist in this develc�pnent, they could use the same
criteria they used far Springbrook Apartrnents whexe the HRA pravided about
9$ of the total pzoject value as a 15 year loan.
Mr. Qxmlers stated they usually qet same kind of estimate or indication from
the soil correction people that, in fact, that type of assistance is
necessary.
Mr' QuresYu stated the HI�A could mak�e that a oondition if they wished to do
so. Staff la�sa this was an area that had been filed and that the soil• was
in pretty pocar s,hape.
Mr. 4ur'eshi stated that staff Was looking f�- a reoannendatic� that the HI�A
was aznf c�table wi th thi s general cor�ept. Z3�en staf f would oane back wi th
a fo�nal agreenent for the HIZA's oo�.sic3eratioai.
I�'• MeYer asked if there was poor soil �der t�e �t�lite fire stati�.
Mr. Qureshi stated there was quite a bit of poor soil under the f ire
statian. The City spent about $8,00�9,000 to carrect the soil far the fire
statio¢�. It Mras his taiderstanding that N�. Mochirys}c,i � s t�,,�o lots had worse
soil than the soil under the f ire stati�.
I�'. Qam�xs stated he would 1 ike to see a�n esentation of sane kind on thi s
Prc�posed devela�ient.
Ms. Schnabel stated she was not qui te coQnf ortable about saying 9$ . She
W°uld oer'tainlY be willing to offer assistance of sane h,ind, but first they
should have thE developer bring in a pz�oposal they can revi�a.
N�. Meyer stated the HIZA abviausly wants scmeone to be able to develop that
site; and if the soil is really that poor, wrnalc�ri't they be snart to give a
little imre substantiatio� of how �h they woa�ld be willinq to oo��sider?
Mz'. Q�ners stated he felt it was the HIZA's ooa�cPnc� �t �� would be
willing to give sare assistar�ce, but staff should work with the developer
and oaR►e back with a� f inn p�r�posal, .
Nir'• Mochinski arrived at the meeting. He thanked the HR.A for inviting him
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to the meeting. He stated that sir�ce he had mac3e the request to be on the
agenda, the scape of the project had changed �omsiderably. He w�auld lik,e to
request that the HI�A table this iten �til a later date when he will cane
back wit-h m�-e infoxmatio�. . .
I�. Ctamess agreed to table this itsn imtil a future meeting.
4�N,SIDERATION OF STIIISKI STATEMENT OF HARDSHIP C�ONNECTED TO REQUEST FOR
AS$ISI'ANC� FOR AN OFFIC� DEVELOPN�TT:
Nir. Qureshi stated this itan was similar to the Mochinski request in that
Ms. Stinski was also requesting assistance. This property was a little
different in that it required a rezaning, variances were needed, and there
was more need to justify why the developPx needed assistance. Again, the
HI�A could agree with the ooncept and instruct staff to oo�ntinue to work with
the developer.
Mr. Qatmers stated that with this pr��erty, he was not so sure there were
any soil problezns. The biggest problem has been trying to get the old
burried aut building taken da�an.
Mr. �mers stated that the HIZA should just receive this infarmati� at this
time.
QON.SIDERATION OF P'ROPOSAI�S FUR RIDEVF��OA�T!' OF 57�'Fi PLACE:
Mr. Qureshi stated the City and HIZA had indicated s�ane interest to see haw
they could work with s�ne developers to imprwe the corner of 57th and
University. Tt'�eY have been aPProached b1' a n�m�er of developers, and one
c3evelaper, Winfield Devela�ent, has su�mitted a proposal. They are also
waiting far proposals fran other developers. He stated a representative
fmn Winfield Develagnent was in the audience and maybe he could explain
what he desired and what kind of assistance, if any, he was desiring fran
the HIZA.
1�. Bill Fbgerty, Winf ield Devela�ient, stated they have been told by staf f
to get a major avquisiti� of pi-operty in the ir�cranent district, which they
have do��e. TY�y have mt pur'sued arty oth�er proi�erties because they really
cb rnt have anything to stand on to d� it. The site was approximately
114,000 sq. ft. There wauld be about 19,300 sq. ft. building o� the site.
Mr. Fbgerty stated he was also e�licity infaznc►ed by Mr• Robertson and Mr.
Robinson that with the University Avenue Corridor impravements, the City
wanted to have sanething nice � that corner. He stated he thaught Winfield
had do��e an ac�nizable job with the looks of their praposed develognent•
Mr. Fogerty stated t��ey are ready to go with the develognent ri�it r1ow. If
triey received the o.k. fram the HIZA, they would start trying to acquire
other pznperties, bring than to the HI2A, and then buY the properties back.
R��,ey are asking for sca�e assistance, depending on whether the HRA wants a
seooa�d mar�tgage or mt on the price of the land. They are offerig S3/sq-
ft. with no assistanoe, other than fihe write-down and the utilities being o�
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the site. Z�iey wc�uld �y $4/sq. ft. with a$100, 000 second mortgage or a
loan of sane sort.
Mr. Fbgexty stated the building would be a combination building facing
University Avenue. They hope to have a bank and then complimentary
businesses with a combination retail/professional (possibly real
estate/insurance) . TtLey have emugh tenants ri�t r�ow to build the building.
Mr. Fbgerty stated he Was looking for authorization fz�n the HIZA to proceed
because they have aa�uired one piece of property and they are incurring
architectural fees. He stated it was not their intention to drive the
prices up. Z%y wuuld help the City acquire properties. They feel the
wz'ite-c3own was a$300, 000 write-c�own.
Mr. �ners asked the ul timate p�ice of the p�oj ect.
Mr. Fogerty stated it was a$1-2 million project.
Mr. Qureshi stated that if the HRA liked the project, staff could start
War'kin9 cm the munbers. There are other people who have shown an interest
in this property. He was sure it was the HRA's desire to get the best
possible develapment with the least acr�anzt of assistar�ce. Until staf f runs
the rnIInbers, it wauld be t�rd far staff to give a recommendation on w�ich
was the better project fram the HI2A's point of view. Staff would be glad to
wark with Winfield � sane n�nbers and have a kirxi of pro f�� pre�red for
the I�A to review at their next m�eeting.
Mr. �ners stated he saw no reason why the HRA shouldn't have staff go
ahead and work on the nunibers with Winfield Develognent for the HRA to
review.
Mr. Bruce Lundgz�en, Security Develo�n�ent, stated they were also looking at
the project in oo�jimcticn with amther developer. They have worked with
both Mr. Robertson and Mr. Robinson. He stated tt�y have requested to be
c� the next HI2A agenda with a foocmal proposal and canplete sulinissioai. Ziiey
have drawings in process and they are working on the numbers. Site
aoquisitic�s have gc�r�e ahead based on what they have discussed with Mr.
Robertson and Nir. Rn�bir�. They w�u1d like the opportunity to care lx�ck at
the �xt meeting to �ke their presentati�.
Mr. �Cnners stated, again, he o�uld see m reaso� why the HIZA siwuldn't get
so�►e P��unarY n�nbers fran this developer also.
I�. Qiu�shi stated staff wrnild wo�k on a pro fo�na and get back to the HRA
at the riext meeting. If any other develaper wants to makre a proposal , they
will cb the s�ne for tY�at develo�er so the HIZA has a ccn�arable analysis in
c�'der to make a decisirn o¢� what was th,e best develogtw�zt far� tbe oanm.uiity.
I�. Fbgerty stated if this is back � th,e July 14th agenda, could the HI�.A
make a decisiori at that meeting? He would like to start building, but he
did mt want to get into a bidding war and ttirow the rnanbers off.
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Ms. S� stated the HRA did
st�auld t�, ��� a not want that either. She thought the�,
decision at the r�ext meeti.ng.
I'�'. Meyer stated he ciid mt ]Q� �,, ..
meeting. If another Prnposal �eY °OUld � a�isi� at the next
af ter that to �ke a decisic�. �S �• then they will need arnther meeting
I'�'. Newrrt�rj stated that within the
Wl� �e Parties interested in �e d�eloys' staff will be in contact
inf�ornrniatio¢� frrm �� �� � W�1 ��� ent, will get additional
assistance the � ysis oai each one, t�e level of
��''O�d assune W�d � e��t� tO �OV1� and the value to the City.
�e �A eould indicate so�me direction to staff and staff
c�ould start neg�tiating the teims of the devel�nent.
Mr• Meyex stated that because of the interest in this
City Proceed in makinq this pr�per'LY a tax incr Property, should the
enent district?
Mr'• 4ureshi stated staff could start working on the documentation and
t�metable if that was the HIZA's desire.
Mr. ��rs stated that would be agreeable to the F�tA.
�`�J1`�wr:xarlON OF AUI'HORIZING $10, 000 F1UR �pp�Y �P�T P�ING AREA
�''�'� FRIDL,EY PLA7�A RAMP IS BEING Q�
NS'IRUCTED;
�. �e� stated that with the initiation of wt�rk to
Plaza g�rking ramp, there is a need far� °�truct the FYidley
Plaza Office Buildinq ���, �1. �P°rarY Parking for the Fridley
�Yidl Plaza g Tt�e lesse for the parking lot with the
�' Qinic alon the University Avenue East Service Drive has
�lred, and it was mt staff's intentioaz to
constnlctio�. This lot c�ould be rer�ew the lease during the ra�
The total Par'kin9 sFaces that oould b�e made we eel00dsfor the CitY's use.
� P�v�, an�d the City wm�d �e �e ��i� 50 Faces, presently 50
exceed $10, 000. p�e �e �ed for � �ces at a cost not to
building was over, � it � Farking for the City Hall and office
to the Qinic on sane kind of a� City s apprp,ach to lease the parcel back
actuallY build �� 1�. �elerating rate depen�,�q � w� they will
�'• 4ureshi stated staff would Jseep �e � i�� ��ch official ste
is tak,en, p
HiyI'ION by Ms. �� � �d
of $10, 000 for a ta��r�, a������'�� �O autharize the expendi ture
aonstructioai. g�°a �'in9 the FYidley Plza Ramp
UP(:8V A VOICE VOTE. ALL VOTIl� AYE, �p�g�J � DECLAR.ED THE MpTION
�RR.�D UI�iNIlK7[7SLY.
(Mr'• Prairie l�ft the meetinq at 9;2Q p.� )
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I�. Qureshi stated the proposed developer, the Arkell Development
C7arporation, has built some of this hrnising in StillMrater. A City Council
u�emUer visited the develognent and was reasonably impressed. He stated
representatives fram th�e Arkell Develc�snent G1a��oratio� were in the audience
to review the project with the HIZ,A. The developer does requir� Yrousing
rev�ue borx3s and an interest rate reducticai px�ogram in order to prwic3e the
proj ect at the required level.
Mr. 4ureshi stated the develc�per was looking at three potential sites in
�ridley:
(1) the site just east of S�ringbrnak Apartrn�zts
(2 ) the Mochinski prvperty (Rioe CYeek RaadlCentral Ave. )
(3) three lots aai�d by the City along Rice CY+ee}c go,ad,
1`'i�'• Jahn Arkell of the Arkell De�,elognent p�r-poratic� stated presently The
Cbttages exist in 4-5 different locations: Madison, Wisconsin; two phases
in Stillwater; one breaking ground next month in Maplewood; and Chisago
City. The Cottages were a tried concept. It was senior housing at
$3�/�ronth, and it has warked very we11. He stated they were at the meeting
to ask the HRA's blessing for housing revenue bonds and interest rate
reductian. Obviously, no developer can build housing and rent it at
5385/mo�th witt�aut scme housing assistance. They also qualify for rent
credits.
A'�'. Arkell stated fir,ding three sites in the City of Fridley has been a
difficult c,hore. 7hey have mt yet �ilt in an "iru�z�ring" suburb, and th,e
oost of land in FYidley is very high. Staff has got pro fozmas that show
trie costs both with and without the interest rate rec�cti�, and it doesn't
e'�'� °m� �1ose to war'king without the interest rate reducticei.
A'ir'. Arkell stated currently they were trying to find s�ne land on three
different sites within the City and b�d 30 imi,ts on each site for a total
of 80-90 ��.
Mr. Arkell stated th,ey usual1y ha�,e a piece of land tied up bef ore they go
bef�-e the HIZA; but in this case, they have letters of intent ce� 18 acres.
I"�'. �rs asked if garages were included.
Mr'• Arekll stated the majoritj, of their projects d4 include garages. The
9arage was an addi tioazal cost of $3 0/moa�th. He sta ted the $3 85 /month al so
included the mai �+„an-o fee.
I�. Meyer asked abaut the type of constn�cticn.
A'�'. Arkell stated they w�re Woodframe buildings with some brick. The name
wl�th�t�he �tt�Y.a9eS° ��heY try to go with the white picket fence and stay
9e th+ane. It is a 720 sq. ft. apartrnent with its awn front
door and its avn yard.
Mr. Qamiers stated h,e felt it was the concensus of the HRA to have staff
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oo�timie to war�k with the develaper. Arkell Devela�►ent Corporation, on the
rnanbPSS. They realize there is a market and r�eed far this type of housing
in FYidley, so he could see m reason for mt proceeding with this.
Ms. Schnabell stated she triought this was a very interesting project. It
oertainly provided an alternative to senior housing.
Mr� p,rkell t�a,n}s�d the HIZA manbexs. He stated he would continue to work
with staff . He stated they were mainly looking f or HRA approval bef ore
pznceeding any further.
ESTIl�,TES :
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Mr. Pribly stated this was a new agenda item that would be included in
future agendas. It will be far estimates far oontracts alreaciy apPraved by
the HIZA. Tt�e estimates will be reviEwed and approved bef are the checks are
written.
Mr. Pribyl stated included under "Estimates" was an estimate S.E.H. was
suY�nitting fo� appraval• The HI�A l�S ���1' ap�'T'°ved the °°a�tra'ct, and the
I�A was mt approving the initial contsact but was approvin9 Pas'tial R31'n'eT't
of tl�at �tract. -
MCyTION by Mr. Meyer, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to approve a payment to
S. E. H. in the �n�nt of $37 , 06 9. 02 .
UPCB�T A VOIC£ VO►I'E, ALL VCn'Il� AYE� �� m�'S DECZ�ARED THE M(JTZON
(�.R,R1FD UNANIl�D[JSLY.
(Z,P,II�iS (1751-1764) :
Ni7I'ION by Ms. Sci'u�bel, se°�n�ed �1' M�'• M�1'�'• t° apprwe the check re9ister
as presented.
UPC�T A VOIC� VOR'E, ALL VO�TII� AYE. Q3AIRP�t'SC�1 �M`�'S DEQ'ARED THE MOTION
C�,RRIED UNANIlKRJSLY.
p'Ii�t BUSIl�'�S:
a. Maintenance �mds f o� Publ ic Improverezits
�n f� �. �.e� ��p, �nd City Cb�cil dated 6/3/88)
N�. �[ners stated tive HI�A has riever really discussed the subject of
�gong maintenance oosts and the ir�crease tY�at is going to n�ean Wlth
all these �oj ects.
N�. 4��� stated befo�e ma.intenance was �iethinr3 the CitY and HI2P.
can ia�.dertake anY lar9e Pr'o7 ects, maintenance was going to have to
��scussed, Tt�ey all feel it is c�ood to ez�t�ance the ern�iroriment
by making nice in�rwe�rerlts- He has mt�� in different parts of
the metro area where nice develo�anents were put, and then those
developments were mt maintained. Not having a n�.ce develop�nent
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would be better than having a development with little or no
mainter3ance.
A�'. Qureshi stated if it was the desire of the HIZA and the City
Council to put in nice developments, there should be�heavy
considerati� given to how those de�,el�nts `„iould be maintained,
and there should be a sizeable elenent of maintenance.
I�'. 4ureshi stated staff was �nq tl�at both the City Cbuncil
and the HRA establish a policy of resezving funds for adequate
maintenance whenever a major envir�r�nental improvement project is
aPP�ed. He was suggesting that the minimun 1eve1 of maintenance
be 50� of the oonstructi� oosts c¢� on,e-third of the entire proj ect
oost. If the constructiaa� o�st of the University Avenue Corridor
Dsnonstration Project was estimated to be $1.5 million, at least
$750,000 should }�e set aside in a maintenance trust fund so the
total Project c�ost w�uld be $2.25 millian.
Ms. Schnabel stated the HRA has had the concern about the
maintenance �osts fmn the beginn.ing—haa nn�ch the City was g�ing to
� needing and h°H' much sh�ould be set asicie; but she did not think
that at ariy time had they tal}ced about this kind of d�ollar amount
far m3intenaryce.
Ms. Schnabel stated she did not necessarily agree that the HRA
si�ould p�ovide the maintenance for these projects. Why cbesn't the
�tY P�ide the maintenance out of the City's budget?
Mr• Qureshi stated the City itself cannot pravide the funds for
u�intenance. The Cit�, has t� p�ide the sezvices--pol ice, f ire,
public works, etc. There is the opportunity through the HRA to
enhar�ce the City and maintain it.
Mr'. Meyer stated he thought there should be a philosophical
discussiari between the I�A and ��, ���il �ut maintenance and
ti'ieY should reach a mutual agreanent as to who is going to pay for
these things.
�'• �ners asked who was g�inq tA be r����le, for example, to
maintain the ran� next to City Ha11 in future years, the HRA or the
City? This was something that needed to be discussed fairly
4ui.ckly.
Mr• 4ureshi stated the ramp was mt just for City Hall; it was open
to the public so it was a f aci 1 i ty more 1 ike a road and the Ci ty
crn�ld maintain it. On University Avenue, they already have the
basic facilities, but they want to enhance the Corridor; and if it
�as the HIZA's desire to enhance the Corrid�or, then it should be
buil t and maintained b�, HIZA.
�'�'' �rs stated he o�uld foresee many other proj ects where this
� Pmbl� is goi.ng to arise� and the�, �e ���ve this issue
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.
as soon as possible.
Ms. Schnabel stated that r�rding the University Avenue Corridor,
this was a situation whe.re the City c�ne to the HItA bec',ause: thQ City
had been approactied by sca� busir�ess peopl e who were unhappy wi th
the looks of University Avern�e. �e HIzA did take a look at it and
deci3ed to pz�ovide these i�ravenents for the City. But, sosnewhere
along the line, the City has to realize there are going to be
maintenarnce oosts. She ranenUered very clearly a oo�versatioaz where
the HI�A members said to the City: n'here is going to be mainten��ce
involved. Are yau pre�p�red to accept the mainter�ance? What are you
goi.ng to do abrnit the maintenance. "
I�. Qureshi stated that if the HRA feels the University Avenue
iir�ravanents are r,eeded and maintained, the HRA cannot expect the
City to maintain then. He was asking the HI�A to set mor�Y aside (a
trust fi.md, for exa�le) to ower the maintenance.
Ms. Schnabel asked how the m�iey frcm the trust fund will actually
be used.
N�. Qureshi stated the mo�ies could be defir�ed and reviewed by the
HIZA.
Mr. �rs stated rhis was a seriaus issue and one that should be
discussed with the City Cotulcil.
I�. Qureshi stated the HIzA could be put on the agenda to discuss
this with the City �i.ulcil at their oonference meeting � June 27.
N�. Meyer stated it would be c,poci to have a list of proj ects where
ongoing maintenance wrn�ld be needed.
I�. Newman stated that at the last meeting, Ms. drduno had provided
the I�A with a matx� autlining all the pro7ects for which the HIZA has
provided assistar�ce.
A17JCRJFtI�Tr:
MC?TION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Meyer, to adjourn the
meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Coa�uners
declared the June 9. 1988, Hou.si.ng & RedE�velo�nent Authority meeting
adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
Respectfully suY�initted,
Lynrye Sal�a
Recording Secr'etazy
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CON4�IISSION/
ENERGY COAII�fISSION MEETING
JUNE 21, 1988
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Saba, Energy Commission, called the June 21, 1988, Joint
Environmental Quality Commission (EQC)/Energy Commission meeting to order
at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Others Present:
1. NEW BUSINESS
Bruce Bondow, Paul Dahlberg, Bruce Hanley, Dean Saba,
Steve Stark, Richard Svanda, Wayne Wellan
Bradley Sielaff, Gerald Welf
Karen Shanberg, Springbrook Nature Center
Lisa Campbell, Planning Associate
A. Karen Shanberg. Naturalist, Fridley Springbrook Nature Center, to
Discuss Energy/Solid Waste Elementary Education Component
Ms. Shanberg attended the meeting to provide information on the
education component of the D.P.S. Grant and provide an opportunity
for members to give input.
Ms. Shanberg stated that the plan is to develop a unit for the
fourth grade in the areas of energy, recyclin� and conservation.
The first unit is recycling, the second would be energy with both
pre and post visit activities. These activities could be incorporated
into what is offered at the school. Pre-visit activities would
provide recycling and energy education and involve parents and families
as well as the classroom students. Some activities would include
asking families uhat they are not recycling, provide a values page
to be prioritized, and finding out what the families purchase. A
collage could be made from plastic and aluminum and students would
be asked to bring an item they can make into a birdfeeder. There
would be a program with Rudy Refuse, played by Scott Ramsey, where
the children get rid of him by not throwing things out into the
environment.
Springbrook Nature Center can handle two classrooms in one visit.
The proposed program would have an introduction, a hike where they
learn what nature can and cannot recycle, and games or a craft such
as the birdfeeder. Each classroom would visit the Nature Center twice.
A goal would be established for each classroom to recycle.
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JDINT EQC/ENERGY COI�AfISSION MEETING, JUNE 21, 1988 PAGE 2
For the energy unit, another character is being developed, Captain
Cataclysm. In this unit, students would learn about what energy
resources are available, the advantages and disadvantages of each,
and become aware of the choices. A quiz bowl is also planned. There
would be a combination of games, hikes, an educational presentation,
and post-visit goals. +
Ms. Shanberg is planning to speak with the superintendent regarding
the program. Teachers would be provided with background information
on the program. At this time, Ms. Shanberg would like to spend about
three weeks of staff time to develop the program and make it look good
and be ready for presentation.
Mr. Saba liked the way the program was tied together and liked the
visual presentation. He felt the students would better remember
the information in that fashion.
Ms. Shanberg stated that she had recently spoken with a visitor at
the Nature Center who was from Sweden. He had developed buses with
indoor laboratories. He then visits communities and gets the children
involved in testing soil and water. The results of the tests go back
to the community. While a like program is not feasible, Ms. Shanberg
would like to include in the energy unit a pH test to be done by the
students.
Mr. Hanley asked if the schools were receptive and if transportation
would be a problem.
Ms. Shanberg stated that transportation is provided through the
grant. She did not know how many classrooms would be served. With
the current staff, the Nature Center can handle up to 18 classrooms.
Mr. Dahlberg asked if funds for field trips were provided by the
schools.
Ms. Shanberg indicated this varied by district.
Mr. Dahlberg suggested including a jingle, such as the words from
the Ghostbusters song, "There's something wrong in the neighborhood."
He also suggested a trip to a dump or landfill.
Ms. Shanberg stated she would like to include a trip to a landfill,
but time would not allow transporting students to a site. Photos
however could be included. She did say the sang idea was a good one.
Mr. ganley indicated the program requires the cooperation of the
teachers, not only for the field trips but for the follow up.
Ms. Shanberg thought the principals would have her talk with the
teachers to explain the program and find out if they saw any potential
problems. The fo11oW up should not take a great deal of time. The
classroom could have a recycling container to recycle items used in
the classroom. A means for keeping track would be provided.
Mr. Saba asked if the City should be doing something for publicity.
JOINT EQCJENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 21, 1988 PAGE 3_
� Ms. Shanberg stated that, once the program is successful, the
promotion will be getting publicity for what has been achieved.
A graph would be made to show growth, and then Cable would be asked
to come in and tape a visit.
Mr. Dahlberg suggested having someone from the City go to the
classroom and give recognition for their achievement. ,.
Mr. Saba felt this should happen only if the classroom meets the
goal.
Ms. Shanberg stated the motivation should be from feeling good for
the planet rather than for receiving special recognition or attention--
that this should just happen, rather than be presented as an expectation.
Ms. Shanberg stated she would be meeting witti Dr. Rens and will
discuss the program.
Mr. Saba stated he would like to see developed a curriculum and
program that will be continuing and on-going. Perhaps get others
involved also. He felt this was a good start for a program which
can be built on, and then see what could be done for in the future.
Ms. Shanberg stated she has been collecting information and asked
members to forward any information they may have to her.
Mr. Bondow asked if the Nature Center has a resource person available
for developing materials.
Ms. Shanberg stated she is in the process of working with someone who
has had previous experience in writing curriculum.
Mr. Saba asked Ms. Shanberg to report back to the commission for an
update in August.
B. Radon U date: First Reading of Radon Article
Mr. Bondow referred to the rough draft of the newsletter article on
radon.
Ms. Campbell stated she would speak. with the editor of the newsletter
to see what space is available. She felt the section, How Do I Know
What My Exposure Level Is?, was the most effective portion of the
draft. Ms. Campbell will show the article to the newsletter editor
and have him provide input, and she will report back at the next
meeting.
Mr. Saba felt the article covered everything, but may be too long.
Perhaps the article could be printed in summary form in the newsletter
with copies of the article in its entirety available for those who
want more information.
Mi. Stark liked the format used with questions and answers.
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JOINT EQC/ENERGY COI�IISSION MEETING, JUNE 21, 1988 PAGE 4
Mr. Aanley felt the article was just short enough to contain a lot
of information. A lot of people will not read the resource materials.
He suggested identifying the questions by using bold type so that
people can read the sections they are interested in. Putting the
article in the newsletter format would also be helpful.
Ms. Campbell stated the article would be placed on the lis� o� items
to be included in the newsletter. The �epartment heads review the
list and if no one objects, the article will be printed. Ms. Campbell
will try to condense the information and will speak with Mr. Froehle.
Ms. Campbell received information on radon as requested from the
Department of Health.
C. Curbside Recvcling Update
Ms. Campbell stated there has been a significant increase in curbside
participation with an increase of 10 tons in the collections from
the previous month. This is encouraging news in that this has been a
stable increase. This is a 10� increase since the beginning of the
year.
Mr. Svanda stated he would be interested to see if these levels remain
fairly constant.
Ms. Campbell stated that this means the payments to Super Cycle have
gone up. She also stated that Super Cycle had been sold; however, the
name will remain the same and they will be dealin� with the same people.
D. EQC -Workplan Progress Report
Ms. Campbell referred to her memo of June 15, 1988, regarding the
Workplan. Rudy Refuse appeared in the 49'er Days parade. Banners
were purchased for the side of the truck, and the banners can be
used again next year. There is some difficulty with the sign permit
for S.O.R.T. The ownership of the land is in transition and the
current owner does not want a sign.
Regarding recycling bins, Ms. Campbell referred to her memo of June 21,
1988. The Commission needs to take action this evening to recommend
funds be budgeted for bins. Ms. Campbell has spoken with several
communities. Plymouth paid $4.95 per bin when ordering 15,000 bins.
The advantage is they have a weekly collection, but the bins have
proven to be too small. Golden Valley uses two bins, at a cost of
�5.50 each. The city distributed the bins to residents at no cost.
They are expensive. Super Cycle may accept plastics in the future and
another bin could be added if the stackable bins are used. Minneapolis
has another bin which Ms. Campbell felt was a good design but made of
poor material. The cost is �10.00 per bin. It is possible to get on
their contract but Fridley would need to wait to see which bin they
decide to buy.
Mr. Stark stated he Iiked the stackable bins. These could be added to,
and a person could get 1, 2, 3, or 4.
Mr. Svanda felt a cart could be made for the stackable bins to make
it easier for older residents to use.
JOINT EQC/ENERGY COI�IISSION MEETING, JUNE 21, 1988 PAGE 5
Ms. Campbell stated that the Lions have allocated �4,000 for bins
and �1,000 for administrative costs.
Mr. Wellan suggested a.matching of funds from civic groups.
'Mr. Svanda felt with matching the City could have about hal� �he
funds needed to obtain bins.
Mr. Saba indicated the Lions have contributed. The VFW has funds
but would need an official letter from the City requesting support.
The American Legion may also have funds.
Mr. Stark felt the Jaycees may also be interested if they heard from
the City. The group may even come up with some ideas of their own.
Ms. Campbell indicated that private contributions were also a
possibility.
Mr. Hanley indicated that major companies with foundations may be
willing to contribute something.
Ms. Campbell indicated grants may also be available
�ar recycling bins. It is yet to be decided whether the bins will be
provided at no cost or if residents will pay a portion of the cost.
The bins purchased in Plymouth were subsidized by Hennepin County.
Mr. Wellan indicated that waste processing plants are not cheap and
recycling is a much less expensive way to handle.
Ms. Campbell indicated a City Council conference meeting would be
held June 27th and that recycling would be discussed.
MOTION by Mr. Svanda, seconded by Mr. Wellan, that the EQC recommends
the City Council include in the current budget funds for the
acquisition of recycling bins and that the City's expenditure match
contributions raised from civic groups and private sector donations.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Regarding Goal 4, Ms. Campbell recommends the Commission begin looking
at the compost problem. In 1990, yard waste will not be allowed in
landfills. Some options include licensing garbage haulers to pick up
yard waste or the City will have to have a separate service, or have
organized collection.
Mr. Stark asked if the City needed to get involved.
Ms. Campbell stated that the current compost site cannot accommodate
the yard waste generated in Fridley. The yard waste could be taken
to Bunker Hills, but the City must assure this will happen. This is
an issue to be dealt with in the long run.
, Mr. Dahlberg requested a motion to approve the EQC Workplan.
JOINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 21, 1988 PAGE 6
MOTION by Mr. Svanda, seconded by Mr. Wellan, to approve the 1988
EQC Workplan.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. OLD BUSINESS
A. Approval of Revised Energ Commission Workplan
Ms. Campbell indicated that changes had been made as recommended. A
letter to go out under the mayor's signature has been approved. The
first meeting for energy audits should be in late July.
Mr. Saba requested Ms. Campbell to provide updates.
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Wellan, to approve the 1988
Energy Workplan as amended.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
B. Election of Officers - Energy Commission
Mr. Saba requested this item be tabled until the next meeting.
3. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Joint Meetings
Ms. Campbell asked if the members would like to continue meeting jointly.
Mr. Saba would like to continue meeting jointly. He felt it beneficial
to both commissions.
Mr. Svanda also felt it worthwhile to meet jointly.
Mr. Dahlberg asked if there had been any discussion on combining the
commissions and if there would be one or two chairpersons.
Ms. Campbell did not have any information. She asked if the commissions
Wished to combine.
Mr. Dahlberg stated he would like more information before making that
decision.
At this time, the commissions felt it beneficial to meet jointly.
B. Recycling Signs
Ms. Campbell distributed recycling signs to members.
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JOINT EQC/ENERGY COh�IISSION MEETING, JUNE 21, 1988 PAGE 7
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Stark, seconded by Mr. Bondow, to adjourn the meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE JUNE 21,
1988, JOINT EQC/ENERGY COAII�iISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
�-¢71/uJ ��
Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary
CTI'Y OF I�t��Y
AppEAt,S �',SI�N 1�EE,TIl�. �7L� 28, 1988
CALI, Zt� O1�IIt:
Q�airperson Barna called the June 28, 1988, Appeals Ca�anission meeting to
order at 7:37 p.m.
RCY.�L CALL :
Menbers Present: Alex Bar'rja, Diar�e Savage. Kenneth Vos. LaY'rY Kuechle
Manbers Absent: Jerry Sherek
Others Present: Darrel Qark. Qzief Buildirig Inspector
Ernie a,r�d Kathleen Bergstram. 5760 3rd St.
Ra�miorr3 Hegrsa, 5770 3zd. Street I�
Willi�n L. Talley. 281 57th Place
Paul R. Beall, 261 57th Plaoe,
Kathleen HaYVet ar�d David Hauf. 271 57th Flace
Meyer. Michael ar�d Joanrie Brnder. 278 58th Averw�e
Marv Pz�oc.t,aska. Menarc7s
David �.irnke, Menards
Carl Heggestad. 1258 Skywooci I.�ne
Esther Sieff, 1298 Skywood I.ane
MaYy Matthews, 1259 Skywood T�*+�
- APPR�'3VAL OF Jt�lE 14, 1988. APPFALS �SSIO[J MII�TrFS:
��N b�, Mr. KueGhl.e, eeoanded by Ms. Savage, to approve the minutes as
suYxnitted.
UPCN A VOI� VOTE. ALL VOTIl� AYE. Q�AIRPER.S�i BARNA DECLARED THE MC)TION
Q�RRIED UI�NIM7tJSLY.
1. Q�I�iSIDERATI�I OF A VARIAN� R�SZ'� (b ), of the8Fridley C�t'�y 4x3e reduce • the
Pursuant to Sectian 205.07.03.D,(2),
sicle yard setback f rnm 5 f ee t to 4 f ee t to all ow the construc ti on of an
attached garage on the rr�rth 37 feet of Lots 4, 5, and 6, City View
Additicn, ar�d that �rt of vacated 57 1/2 Avenue N. E. , adj acent to said
lots, the same being 5760 3rd Street N.E., FYid1eY. NN 55432.
NDTD�i bY Dr. Vos, seconded bY Ms. Savage. to open the Public heari.n9.
UPCN A VOI(E VO►I£, ALL VO►rIl� AYE. C�A��-� BARN1� DECZP,RF.D THE PUBLIC
�� OPII�1 AT 7:38 P.M.
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Q�aizperson Barna read the Ac�ninistrative Staff Report:
IVE STAF�' REF�RT
5760 3RD SII�,T N.E. � -
VARIAN� #88-14
A. P[ID�LIC AJRP()6E � HY RD�UIRF3�1�Tr:
SECTZt7i�1 205.a'1.03.D, (2), m) requires a side yard setback of five (5)
feet between an attac,hed aocess�y building ar use and a side property
lir�e.
Public purpose se�cved by this requirenent is to pravide space between
ir�dividual sti-uctures to reduce oonflagration of fire, to pravic3�e access
to the rear yar+d far energer�cies, ar�d to limit the cor�dition of cravding
in the residential �i�ibortx�od.
B. SrA� i371RI)SHIP:
'�Te r�eed a garage, mu.st have 26 feet width (garage 20 feet, foyer 6 feet
4 irr,hes). I�st have fayer to enter and exit ho�ne and use existing
locatic� of side door."
C. AD[�JIS'IRATIVE SrAF�' REVIS�1:
Tt�e lot does mt have a garage. The a,vr�er would 1 ike to aonst ruc t a 2 0
foot by 28 foot deep garage and a 6 foot 4 inch wide foyer between the
garage and the house to allaa access to the h4use.
The front oorner o� the i�ou_ge would be 4.11 feet and the rear corner
would be 5.37 feet frtm the south pz-op�rty line. The side yard abuts
the rear ya.rd of a h�use facir�g 57th P1ace.
If the �nission approves the request, staff has no stipulations to
suggest.
Mr. Clark pravided a survey of the Petitioner's property showing the
existing locatioai af the fourr3ation when the house was buil t. He wants to
put in a snall fvyer ar�d a 20 foot garage. With those 2 fairly mrmal size
structures, the fr�nt oorr�er of the r�ew garage will be a little m4re than 4
feet fn�n the south �operty lir�e. To the south of him there is a house
that faoes 57th Plaoe wit3i the garage attached to the house. The driveway
w�ould gc� out to 3n3 street where it is presently located. I�. Qark stated
the Plannirx3 Ocnmission ar�d the City (bur�cil passed an ordinance allowing
f� the oanstn�ctian of 2-car c,3arages in single family development areas
where th,ere was � garage ox- where there was a single car garage when the
lot to the side faces the same street. This is different because the house
to the siae actually faoes south af 3rd Street. If the Board approves this
request, staff has m recoarunendations or stipulations to approve or
d.isapprwe.
Mz'• Barr� asked Mr. Clark if he had the distance a neighboring garage is
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��.s aor�ss�oa�r r�rn�c. ,� z8, �ss
I�. CLark stated the building code says 6 feet and the zoning code is 4
feet. Zt�v�o attached garages, if both cbubles, oould be close to 6 feet.
I�. Barna stated that even if N�. Beall � a variance, de�r�dir�g om what
his variar�ce was, if he wanted a variar�ce to be closer to the narth lot lir�e
tt,an 3 feet it may have an affect, but if he r�eedeci a variar�ce fo� any other
reason this wauldn't have an affect. There are �ly 9 ir�ch�es in question.
Ms. Joanr�e Br�oc3er wanted to m3ke sure Mr. Bergstmn wasn't building no�'th of
the house.
Mr. Barna stated that it is proposed to build on the south side of the
existing 2louse.
I�. Qark stated that Mr. Bei-qstz�xn is going to build where his driveway is
mw.
Mr• Barna asked if there was anyone who wished to obj ect to the variance.
There was rnne.
M�`PION bY Ms. Savage, seo�nded by Dr, Vos, to close the public hearing.
UPQJ A VOICE VOTE, AI,I, VOTII� AYE, Q3p,IRpEg,�pi,� BARNA DECLARED THE pUBLIC
HEARII� QAISID AT 7:56 P.M.
Dr. Vos stated that he saw the hardship as beir�g the house had to be slid to
the south in order to sati sfy the easar,ent ar� cau��1 �e �f f icul ty on that
corner to not make 5 feet. �e second hardship is the design of the house
�S �n1Y an exit aut of the side ar�d it is in the middle of the house, r�ot
toward the front or back, so there isn't much option because there is
��thin9 behir�d the house. The front would have too much interference
because it is too close to the c.-urb.
Ms. Savage stated that she agreed ar�d �x3erstood the r�eed for a garage.
I�. KuectLle stated that he also agreed.
Ttbe anmissice� oonci,�red that the hardship is basically the til t of the
h�u� required by the power lir�es at the mrth �d and the general concensus
of the City of FY�idley that e�,esy}�ody s2w;uld have at least a trao-car
ar� the concun'ence that the Mirmesota weather makes it desirable to havega
breez�aay between the h4use and the garage.
�I� �' M�' ���e' � bY Ms• Sava9e. to apprave variance request
as stated.
UPQd A VOICE VCIl'E. Ai+L VOTII� AYE. CHAIRPERSON BARNA DECtiARED THE MOTION
C?iRRIED UI�NIl�7CTS[,Y.
�� �� �'1� �'' �S�'a�► to oane in hi.mself or have his contractor
� in to obtain a buildirx� Pexmit.
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N�. Barna advised Mr. Beall that his optio�s are c�pen if he decided to build
ar�d shauld he �ed a variance, the C�anission would be favorable within
reason. . .
2. Q�I�IDERATION OF A VARIANCE RF72L1F'�T► VARIANCE #88-15, BY N�RAS.. Il�TC.:
Pursuant to Sectioa� 205.04.06.A, (6) of the FYidley City Cbc�e to ir�'ease tibe
heic,�t aF a ferice in a oannercial district fran 8 feet to 10 feet; pursuant
to Sectian 205.15.3.C, (4), of the Fridle,� CitY Cbc3e to reduce the building
setback adjacent to an R-1 District fran 50 feet to 40 feet; and pursuant to
Sectic� 205.15.3.C, (4) , of the Fridley City Code to reduce the building
setback adjacent to an R-2 District fram 50 feet to 10 feet, to allvw the
oonstrwctioaz af a storage st�ed/district buffer ar�d imprwed screenin9 fer,ce,
o�n Lot 9, Aur3itar's Subdivisi� No. 94, the same beir�g 5351 Central Avenue
N.E.. F�idley. NN 55432 �rd's Ir�c.�
MyI'IQN by Dr. Vos, secorr3ed by Ms. Sa�vage, to open the publ ic hearing.
UPC�] A VOICE VOTE, AI�L VOTIl� AYE. C�iAIRPERSON BARNA' DEQ,ARED THE PUBLIC
HEARING OpII�] AT 8: Ol P. M.
Chairperson Barna read the Administrative Staff Repar't:
ADMIlIISTRATIVE �'�TAFF REP�RT
5351 C�3dIRAL AVII�IUE N.E.
VARIANCE #88-15
A. P[IDZIC FURPO.SE �ID BY RFx2UIRII�Tr:
Sectio� 205.04.06.A, (6) , requires a fence hei�t bordering side ar�d rear
lot lines in a oannercial district to be mt mar'e t1�an eight (8) feet.
Public puYpose seYVed b�' this reCl�r�nt is to prevent excessively tall
fer�ces in o�der to maintain the attractability of a ca�iercial zor�e.
Secti� 205.15.3.C, (4) , requires that pernutted buildir�gs ar�d uses shall
�t ��oser t� the botu�dary lir,e of ariy residential district than 50
feet.
Public purpose sezved by this r�uirement is
space around co�nmercial structures for
screening.
V• �� • •/��`1 �•
to pravide adequate apen
plantings, buffers, and
'�nie are trying to solve the proble�n that exists with sound leaving
site. "
C. AII�iIl�1IS'IRATIVE STAF'F' REV�1:
Plea_�e review the mir�utes c� the Apneal s Catmissio� meeting of Agril 2 8,
�9 88.
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T� �taf f ar�d Menand' s have been wo�kirx3 on haw ma�, be the be st way to
tzy. to control sane of the sound that travels into the residential
district to the east.
The most recent ar�d present praposal is to corystru�t storage buildings
along their east liz�e to d,o a coanbination of enlarging their storage
ca�city, store mo�e of the a�terials iu�der the ca,er of roof s, retain
the severe slape ar�d help oontrol mise frrnt traveling uP the hill.
The building will be placed 10 feet from the rear pr�g�erty line which is
40 feet from the zoning lir,e betwe�r� R-1 residential ar�d crc��ercial and
at the r�arthern m�st point 10 feet from the R-2 ap3rtment lots next to
I-694.
In the areas where r�w fer�cing is being installed the fence is proposed
to be 10 feet high.
�t ��s� a also petitior�ed far a special use peYmit for the existing
� w�� ��� �1' �e Plannin9 Qatunission on June 22,
1988. Or�e of the topics � their d.iscussion was the 1x�ui-s of aperatian.
��e ��1 reoatunends appraval of these two requests,
contingent upon the approval of the special use
recarmerr]ation that Merjarrl's work with the administration
operatio¢�.
it shall be
permit and
on times of
Mr. Barna asked f ar a mr�tion to accept the man�ar�d�an dated June 2 8, 19 8 8,
from 4�ur�cilman Steve Billings, Ward I, stating his opinions on hours of
operation.
Ms. Savage stated that she saw ��ilman Billings earlier arid the reason he
could mt be at the meeting toni�t was because he had another meeting he
had to a t ter�d.
� bY Ms. Savage, seconded by Nir. Ruechle to receive the memorandlun
dated J�e 28, 1988, frrm Councilman Billings as �rt of the mir�utes.
UPl'�1 A VOI� VOTE. AI�L VOTIl� AYE. Q�iAIRPERSON BARNA DEQ,AREp THE I�TI�I
C?iRRIED iJI�NIIrDOSI,Y.
�� Q`�'k �r'Strated t�'e zonin9 �P to locate the Menards property and
clescribe the zo�ing lir�es. At the time this was platted arid developed. Mr.
M�rtenson a�ned all the pr,c�perty. At sc�ne time in the past, the plat of
Beverly Hills established an outlot 30-feet parallel to the Menards
°��� pZ'��'' ��e time w}�en the zoning lines were established,
the outlot fell cn tibe platted Iir�e of the east boundaYy of the outlot.
��' �'elc�peci the sirx3le family �vellinq ar�� t�e outlot eventually
w�ent tax fc�feit. It was then purchased b�, N�-s. Matt��cas ar�d ranair�ed zar�d
�3- �e zaning line j ogs where the R-2 and R-1 meet. The yarages, or
storage buildings, that Menarr3s want to build are located 10 feet into their
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pr�aperty � 40 feet frocn the zoning lines gast the outlot. Because the
zaning line jogs there is a different setback from the R-2 (10 feet) . Mr.
C1ark denoristrated amther drawing st�owirx3 the autlot in questio�. -.
Ms. lrhry Matthews, 1259 9cyFrooci Lane, aske3 to t�1k about the outlot. She
stated when Spartan bought the land, it was designated as a planting buffer
ar�d in an agree�ent, the Matthews had with S�aaz'tan put in a planting buffer.
They bought trees ar�d put in a sprinkling system in the planting buffer
af ter Menarc3s mwed in in 1972. Zhe Matthews bought the outlot and thought
it was zoned R-1 ar�d mw they are cau�t uP in a teci�rucality about having
it rezar,ed residential. �
Mr. Qark stated that it oould be used as a planting buffer withaut rezonin9
from azmrercial to residential.
Ms. Matthews points aut that if she had rezoz�ed it to residential, how manY
feet would Menards have to be.
I�. C1ark stated that it is required that ariy building on a coa�mlercial
property be 50 feet frYm a resiclential district. The variance here is to
reduce that by 10 feet dawn to 40 feet fran the zoning line because the
outlot is 30 feet wicle. Zl�e new buildings wauld be 10 feet fram the t9err�zd.s
pmvperty lir�e.
Mr. Qark demonstrated where Menards is located on the detail map. He
stated that the rear of the Pr�opertY is beirx3 u.sed fo� storage and picking
up l�r ar�d materi.al. He irrlicated the �ine ar�d 4�0 f�eet fran the zoning
the pzr�perty, are 10 feet from the propertY
line. The fence that is talked about in the hearing notice is frcan the
south wall of the riew building to the s4uth Properl-Y line. He wasn' t sure
if Menar�s was replacing the fences and renewing the materials or r�ot.
There are two different types of structures. Merards brought a posterboard
de�nstrating the layout af the Menards oaa�nercial lot. Mr. Clark stated
that the r,ew structure is hi�er t��an the existing fe.r�ce ar�d will raise the
site lir�es.
Ms. Matthews asked if the scale o� the Menards �ra�`'i� �d been verif ied by
the city.
N�. C'.l.ark said that he wasn't aw�are if is was. N�. (Zark stated that Mr.
Jim Rnbinson was at rlie Planning C�missiari meeting and we could call him
and nti�ce certa.in.
Ms. Matthews asked far it to be verified ar�d 1�'• Clas'k said he'd see to it.
Mr. CLark passed arow�d an aerial pibto of Mer,ards-
Dr. Vos asked if the existing fe.nce was metal.
�.. I„�Yy p�oc-,haska, Menards, said that o�iginally there was a metal f ence
with the different hei�ts artunr3 from the south.
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Dr. Vos asked where exictly was that f er�ce.
Mr. Qark stated that it is shown oa� the plat ar�d meanders azv�u�d.
Dr. Vos stated the fer�ce loo�ked like it went further west while g�ing rnrth.
He also stated that the fence weuld be what's shavn as the hill lir�e.
I�. Prochaska danonstrated the lir�e between Menards ar�d the planting buffer.
iie denonstrated that the new structures will be further to the east than the
fe.nce is r�ow ar,d will par-allel with th�e lot lir�e.
Dr. Vos slinnarized the bao variance requests. One is the setback of the
structures to the zoning line and the height of the fence, placing it
further east }7ut lower.
1'�'• Pro��aska �strated the areas where Menards will increase outside
starage and the owered storag�e area, actually reducing outside storage by
4500 feet.
Ms. Savage raised the questiom that in arder to have a variance there needs
t° be a h�rdShiP � she doesn't urrlersta,r�d Nlenards' hardship - it is the
r�eighbor's hardship. She asked what the hardsiup is.
Mr. Qark stated that what he thir�lss Menar�s is trying to c10 is get scane of
the outside st�ag+e �r oover ��pi�q �t �s structure will reduce
�� °f ��� f� the F�'king surface that is transmitted up into the
residential district. Refeiring to ��i�n gillings' meno saying that he
imped that ��� wauld
� ��i 9et sane professional apinio�n of sourrl transnissio�
fy if this would make things better ar�d have it ready for Cbuncil.
�"�' �'� ��d that he didn't think a sourrl expert would be able to tell
that.
Ms. Savage stated she thaught that the �igir�al reason for this variance was
��� Menards r�ded more st�age sp3ce.
I�. Prochaska stated tiiat arigirjally Menards started out to construct a new
fence with open storage bins.
Ms. Savag+e clarified fmn a previaus meeting that Menards had asked for a
variance an the hei�t o� the fence. Ms. Savage asked what the reason is
fca- the r�w fer�ce.
M�'' ��� stated tbat �e p�esent fence is dilapitated. Menards wants
to oan-�bine blocking sane of tbe so�u�d with raising the hei�t of the fence.
Ms. Savac� asked why charx�e the request to be askiryg for starage sp3ce.
1�- Prochaska stated because what was dor�e before wasn't goir�g to acccmplish
anything as far as the sound issue and wasn't helping the neighbors.
Menan-�s talked with the staff ar�d r�eighbors to try to came up with scn►ething
that would help block the mise ar�d be beneficial to �*��G.
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Mr. Carl Heggestad, 1258 Skywoai Lane, asked that if Menards receives
variance wil l there be m�o�e f c�kl if t 2nurs.
I�. Prachaska r'eplied m, theY will be mwing the same thir�gs• Z�e Planning
Ck�nnissioa� had reduced Menazr]s' time by half an ho�xr per day.
Mr. Heggestad asked Mr. Prochaska if he had any IQ�owledge if the wall abwe
c,�rnu�d level w�ould zeduce the sotu�d.
I�. Prochaska stated that it would. He spoke to saneone at Minnesota
Fbllutioai Cbntrol ar�d saneone at Minnesota DOT who is responsible for the
sourrl barriers on the higtaaay. arr3 fhe ir�formation Mr. Prochaska received
fram then is that the sound engineering is like most other engineering
practices, but if a person can interrupt the site line, it could then
interrupt the sour�d line because theY travel in straight lir�es.
Ms. Matthews stated that she also had talked to the same person at Mir�esota
DOT about an opinio� and she reoa�n�er�ds that the City ar Menards shQUld hire
a sound ex�rt to give an opinion on haa much sound will be cut by the
structures.
N�. Heggestad suggested that the sound expert report directly to the City
and decide the souni issue that has been goir�g on far bwelve years.
Mr. Heggestad brought up what Dis. Savage had pointed out that Menards did
mt have a hardship. I�• ii�eggestad sees two issues. One is what gerierates
the sound. He o�ntirnLed to list variaus sources of sound. Mr. Heggestad
also stated that light is a problem. He feels that Menards should
reconstruct their lights so that they d,� rnt shir�e � into the residential
�i�borYu�oci at ni�t. �ie seoond issue is that the residents knvw that
Merlarrls caru�t get by with zero rnise but sir�ce theY are 9oin9 to construct
buldings, then hire an authority to give an opinion to the City about the
sound issue.
Mr. Barr�a stated that these structures will cb mc�e fo� the sound than the
fes�ce that is there Far'esently.
N�. Heggestad pronosed using sour�d absorbing materi.al.
Mr, Barna stated that what tl�e Oatmission �ec�s to look at is that Menards
wants to build closer to the residesitial lots than is al2aaed by code. Mr.
Barna feels that part of Menards hardship is the desire to please the
r�ei��bors and incr'ease their st�ag+e facilities as much as possible to run a
profitable business. If t%iey can help the sotuxi problen i.n the meantime ar�d
still benefit the business, so imich the better. What the Catmission has to
look at is that Menards is limited to the laack o� wi�ex'e the old fence was.
At the last meeting, the Qaimission looked at letting Menards stx'aic�ten t�
lirie out putting a rec�ular fer�ce up which w�uld have ir�creased their surface
area. It doesn't matter if tbe str'uctu�'es have a roof or mt, Menards is
still increasi� the outside s�face area.
Ms. Matt�'�ews rat�arked that the residents are justified in canplaining so
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�ch. She feels that the zaning of the autlot is still a factoac.
Ms. Fsther Sieff, 1298 Skywood Lane, stated that the r�eighbors weren't
rntif ied that Menart3s was ever aming to the r�ei�bort�ood. ..
Ms. Savage stated that this slwuld be addressed at the proper fox-�n. Ms.
Savage catg�red the location of Menards to the other area lunber yards.
I�. Heggestad stated that this was addressed to the City Council with
pictures af the r�az�th and south directions and at night to shaw the light
pr�len. He stated that people seet�ed surprised that there was a Menards
l�nber yar�d in a residential area.
Ms. Sieff stated that she didn't think th,e r�ei�ibortx�od was mtified that a
MenarY3s was buying t1�at lot.
Ms. Matthews stated that she x�eoognized that this was r�t the issue, but
tr�at it is the bottom line.
N�. Barna stated that the use is part of the issue and the Carmission has to
assune that the use is legal. that the store has not changed from what they
aper�ed t� as to what they are now. Z3-iey are looking at the ir�crease of use
allowing the bulding of storage sheds and district buffer closer to the
residential district.
Mr• Barna then stated that the Catmission �eds to decide if the City and
the r�eighbors are going to get satisfactian out of allaai�g Menanis to have
mare rocm.
Mr. Heggestad stated that it would depend on if sarie kir�d of a sour�d barrier
was installed. He also ask,ed that Menards �Q �e ��t a special use
pernut for the saws, lights, etc. Mr. Heggest.ad stated th�t ��s � rea1
Per'sonal objection e.3acept fc� the sound isswe.
Ms. Matthews said that she doesn't want to state an o�bjection but to say
that despite lack of faith in a sound engir�eer, she thinks it would be warth
the $200 to $300 to receive an opinion. She would feel better lQwwing. She
is neither accepting or rejectirig.
�' �� s�.'�'ized that Ms• Matthews would be more co�nfortable with a
oertif ied sound engineer to rerrler an opinioa�.
Mr. Heggestad stated that there should be a stipulation about the n�ise
factor.
MS' 1"�t�� a�r'eed- She also stated that at a previaus meeting trees were
��'S� �� ��� ��31� � trees. She mentioned that Oak
Wilt is prevalant in the neighborhood and wondered if the mise had an
effect. She said that she talked � a�1�, �i��.e agent about this
pr�c�Ulen.
1�. Barrr� stated t�iat Menan�.s' oonstructio� could damage the root systesns
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which would allow Oak Wi1t into th�e bysten and if there are ariy wounds on
the oaks in the r�ei�ibo�tyood the plague will start.
Mr. Barna thought there was a stipulation fran the Planning Catunission
meeting that this p��oUlen be checked into ar�d the Appeals Ccx�nission could
stipulate that a county agriculture agent look over this problem to
z�eoo��end if it would be better to z�r�ve the trees. The C.ac�►ission would
stipulate that a planting buffer be maintair�ed-
Ms. Sieff asked how deep Menards will g� into the hi.11.
Mr. Barna stated that Menards can mt gc� �r3erneath residents' PropertY. He
also stated that the trees, the drif tl ir�e, will guard the property. The
�nissi� o�uld add a stipulation that if the mature trees on the adjacent
property were to be damaged as a result of the construction, that the
Petitioner wrnald be required to replace that planting buffer.
I�. prochas}sa stated that those trees werhang Menards property and that
Menas�ds trims t�Len.
t�. Barna stated that the City has a right to tell Menards to maintain a
planting buffer between the two areas. Mr. Barna suggests to enter a
stipulation z�egarding this• Ke would feel mar'e °O�Ortable stipulating that
if the oonstruction damages the mature trees, that Menards would replace
thesn, but they need the oounty agent to verify.
Dr. Vos stated he d.idn't believe a o�unty agent would do this because of the
situation being unF7redictable.
Ms. Matthews stated that she feels an apinion st�oul.d be obtair�ed.
Mr. Barna stated that the working hours were cwered at the Planning
Canunission meeting and the City Council meeting. There are different
��� f�. each meetinq. TY�e Appeals Ccnmissio� is meeting regarding the
physical structures far starage area that Menards wants to build.
MnIQN by Mr. Kwechle, seoonded by Ms. Savage to close the public hearing.
UFQ�] A VOICE VOTE. ALL VO'rIl� AYE. QiAIR��N BARN1� DEQ,ARED THE P[TBLIC
HFARING CI,p� AT 8:55 P. M.
Dr. Vos stated that the structures will do more for the hill and Menards
tt�a�l the fence did. Dr. Vos is in support of the two variances - 10 foot
fezvice rather than 8 foot fer�ce, ar�d the buffer. Dr. Vos mentioned that if
the r�ei��bors were o� a rn�mal lot instead of a hi11, he would have negative
feelings af the Menards structures.
Ms. Savage stated that she voted in favor of this at the last meeting
because s�he thought there would be a study done of the structure of the
f ence airl �onsideration of the f ence as a so�urY3 barrier. She didn' t eee anY
eviderice of a studY saYin9 this structure will prwide a sufficier.t sound
barrier. Ms, Savag+e is mt in favar � the variar�ces. She further stated
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that she didn't think that there is ariy i�arc3ship showiryg.
1�. Kuechle stated he s�ts the variances yet agrees that there is no
stated hardship but the variance r+equest is vol untary. Mr. Kueclil � f eel s
everyone gains something by these new structures by way of appearance
reduction af rnise. He doesn't see a better way of reducir�g the mise.
Mr. Barrsa agrees with both assenting ar,d dissenting views. Right naw the
G�nnissio� r�eeds to look at the adjoining properties having problems with
the business. Zl�e rieighUors canrr�t tell Merjards to go advay because they are
too r�oisY. Menards is voluntarily trying to help while growing. Mr. Barna
pointed out that Menards is also a taxpayer. Mr. Barna stated that
Menarri's ha�r]ship is in cmc�er to keep their busiriess graving, they have to
increase storage area and use every square inch of their property. To
ir�crease their st�age area, they have to }.�end to the wil l o� the co�nuni ty
and i�rove to benefit the nei�bors ar�d Menards. Ivjenan3s coulci qet by with
an 8 foot fence ar,d a special use pennit for the increased storage area.
But they are asking far a variar�ce to put a structure up that will incerase
storage area, yet ber�efit the r�ei�ors, the City, arri the business.
Ms. Savage suggested that there be a stipulatian that there be studies done
on the sound issue and have an opinion given on the adequacy of what
Menarr7s Praposes fo� a sour�d barrier.
Mr. Barna clarified that this is a motion as a recoannendation to City
Council.
Dr. Vos asked if the City of FSridley had a mise c�rdir�r�ce.
N�. Qark stated that the City has one b�ut he was not famili.ar with it.
NDTION by Dr. Vos, seoonded by 1�. Itu�rhle� to ma}c,� a��tion to the ;
City Cbuncil to apprave at their July 11, 1988, meeting, Variance request
#88-15 with three stipuZations: 1) that a written apinion fz�nn a certif ied
SO� ���eer be Pr'esented to the Gbuncil at the time of the hearing 2) I
that a planting buffer be maintair�ed 3) that the aonstructian is contingent �
on r�eaeiving a special use peunit. �
Mr• Barna suA¢narized that if the vegetation in the planting buffer is
destroyed by the Menards construction, that Menards will replace that
vegetatica�.
Ms. Savag+e stressed ttiat Mena�ls did znt have a sour�d study as stipulated at
the last meeting ar�d that is why she is abstairung.
UPQJ A VOICE VOTE, 3 VOTING AYE, 1 IZAy, QiAIRp�RSpN Bp,RNA DECLARm THE
I�I'B2�] C�RRIID 3-1 WIIH Q� ABS'I��1 AS STATID.
ADJ�:
I�IIrIC�] by Dr. Vos, seoorr3ed by Mr. Kuechle, to adjvuni the meetir�g.
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UPCN A VOI� VOTE, ALL VO►rIl� AYE, Q�AIRPF�t.9CN BARNA DEC3�ARID THE JUNE 2 8,
1988, APPF.AL�S C�SSIlOi�i I�EI'Il�]G AA70UR2� AT 9:08 P.NL
Respectfully submitted,
/��f %U. �;��'i 1:%>, �,
Gina Whitehead `
Recording Secxetaiy
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�� PLANNING DIVISION
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` MEMORANDUM
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f R! DLEY � �
�: Jock Rd�ertson, Qamrnunity Devela��ent Director`
Flannirig Q�nnission Manbers
Fi�M: Kathl.yn Castle, Flannirx� Assistant a'_ �''
DATE: July 22, 1988
R�ARDII�: Speci.al Us� Perntiit. SP #88-09, 5973 - 3rd Street N.E.
...
The petitior�er, Father Jahn MaeGra�n, is requesting a special use pernnit be
granted to allaa a churr.h, parsorsge, bell tower ar,d religiaus book store at
5973 - 3 n3 Street N. E.
Backgrour�d
This property is located in an S-1, Hyde Park nei��borhood, zoning district
whose r�gulations are similar to those of the R-1, single family dwelling,
zoning district. In an �1 district, churches, bell tvwer, parsonage and
bookstore are allowed as a speci.al use. The buildirg arid site requirements
for this use is the same as those outlined in the CR-1, general office,
zonirx3 district.
A special use pezmit was previausly granted for this site in 1985 and 1987
which allaaed a different catmercial use in an S-1 zonir�g district. The 1987
permit was passed with four stipulations regarding site and building
improvenents. Due to externaatir�g circiunstar�ces, the petitioner never used
the s�eci.al use pezmit, therefore, the stipu].ations were never ocmpleted.
The church will be approxi�€etely 530 square feet. Of this 530 square feet,
63 square feet will be used for a bookstore arxi 32 square feet for the
parsorsge. The sanctuary will provide space for approximately 24
�xrishor�ers, ir�cludir�g the choir. On the east side of the buildirrg an apse
will b� constructed which will be used as the alter. The exterior portian of
the buildirx3 will consist of stwcco arri oor�crete block.
Staff r�cannerrls apprwal of this r�uest with the follaair�g stipulations:
l. Parkirig situation to be reviewed in two years to detennine adequacy of
existing lot.
2. The church bell shall be only rung at the beginning of each mass on
Stur.lay .
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3. Reuse of this building b� a d.ifferent church is required to apply for a
special use pennit. '
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4. A portion of Lot 29, app�ximately 1, 604 square feet is being leased from
the City at 51.00.
5. Landscaping to be installed as per plan b� July 1, 1989.
6. A perforntiar�ce borrl or letter of credit far 3$ of the construction value
be given to the City prior to issuance of the building pernut.
7. Install six ir�ch aoncrete curbing around the entire perimeter of the
�rkir�g lot includiryg driveway apening b� Novenber 1, 1988.
8. Parking lot to be sealoct�ted and striped (eight spaces ) by November 1,
1988.
9. Fbsts are to be raroved u�on installation af landscapir�g (July 1, 1989) .
10. Petitior�er to �ir�tain site i�nediately b� cuttir�g grass arrl elimirsating
weeds .
KC/dn
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..� PLANNING DIVISION
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MEMORANDUM
cinroF �
f RlDLEY � ��
Zp : Jock Iaobertson, �nnunity Develo�ent Director �-
P'lanning �nission N��rs
FIaM: Kathlyn Castle, Planning Assistarit ���
DATE: July 22, 1988
R�'�II�: Special Use Pennit, SP #88-08, Auto��ile Dealership
Proposal
William Bartram, the petitioner is requesting a special use peanit be granted which
would allow him to constrwct an autcR�ile dealership with vutside storage r�ear the
irrtersection aF 83rd Avern.ie arrl University Avenue. This dealership constructed of
stuckia, metal panels, polished glass arr3 possibly brick. It will contain 28,580
square f eet wi th 22 , 410 square feet on the grourxi 1 evel a nd 6,110 squa re f eet on
the m�zaine level. �is space will be divided between si��awrtx�n, �fice, service,
liody sYx�p, parts and e�ansion uses. The dmlership will display 110 vehicles.
Planning Considerations
This piece of prr�erty is located in a C2, General Busir�ess District, which allaas
aut�nbile dealerships and outside storage of imterials as a special use. �e site
abuts an R-3, Multiple Residential Dwelling District, to the west and a C-2,
General Business District, to the mrth, east arxi south.
This area has been the center for recent development including Springbrook
Apartsnents and Northwest orthapc�-iics.
The site does oontain wetlands which will be affected by this development. The
petitior�er has abtained a ratior�al pennit frcm the Corp of Er�qineers which allows
the filling of this wetlar,d.
Reccnn�eridation
Staff �mner�ds appro�val of the special use permit which allaws an automobile
dealership generally located at 83rd Avenue arid University Avenue with the
follaaing stipulations:
1. Petitioner agrees to sewer ar�d water assessnents.
2. Petitioner to install landscapir�g as per City approved plan.
3. II�lv�ee/cust.aner �rking to be desigrsted by sigrage.
4. A road assessnent arrl right of way extension agreement be signed by both the
petitioner and neighbor to the mrth. Zb be recorded at Arnka Cbunty prior to
buildir�g peanit.
_, Ther,e is to be m autside spezker usage.
b. A gri�: ��Y fe-�ce tv be ir�talled along the west prc�perty lir�e.
7. Petitioner to suYanit a stonn drairnge plan for staff appn�val.
KC/dn
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