PL 08/10/1988 - 7120.
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PLADTNING COMMISSION 1�IEETING
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 10, 1988
7:30 P.M.
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AGENDA
PLAl�Il�TIlVG OJN�lISSIDN MEEI'Il� WIDI�SDAY, AUGUST 10, 1988 7:30 P.M.
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C'ALI� ZO�, OI�ER:
1mLL CAI�,:
APPI�VE Pi,AI�TIlVG CDNA�l�SSIDN MIlVUI'ES: July 27, 1988
ION OF- A
#88-10, BY '1'I�N�18 KAL�LR�OS: - • . • • . • . • • • • . • • • • • • . 1 - 1G
Per Section 205.07.01.C.1 of the Fridley City Code, to allav a
thixr7. accessoYy building on Lot 22, except the west 85 feet,
Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, the same being 1466 Or�on�laga
Street N.E.
RECE IV E THE MINUTES OF TI� �DUS Il� & RIDEV IIA PME1�I' AUTI�J RITY
MEEI'Il� OF J[JLY 14, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . WHITS
E THE MINUTES OF THE JO INT ENV IRONMENTAL Q UAL ITY
iIDN/II�RGY Q�MMISSIDN MEEl'Il� OF JUI�Y 19, 1988 ..:.... BLOE
RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE APPEALS �MMISSION MEErING OF
AUQTS°I' 2, 1988 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . YSI.LOW
O'IHER BUSIl�SS: . . . . . - • . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLAI�TIl�1G CD IDN MEEI'Il�1G. JULY 27. 1988
C�1L�L 7.0 O1�ER:
C�iairperson Betzold c�lled the July 27, 1988, Planning CaRmission meeting to
order at 7:35 p.m.
1mLL CALL:
Msnbers Present: Dor�ald Betzold, Dave Kondrick, Dean Saba, Al�x B�.rna.
Sue Sherek, Paul Dahlberg
Menbers Absent: None
Others Present: Jock Robertson, Co�¢mulity Devela�snent Director
Kathlyn Castle, Plannir�g Assistant
Jim Hi11. Acting City Marager
Bill Bartram, 6121 Hrooklyn Blvd.
Susan Prebil, 6121 Brooklyn Blvd.
Michael I�.ein (arrhitect for William BartYam)
Jam�s H. Parker, 53 00 Higl�ar�ray 101, Miru�eton]ca
Becky Ar�derson, 500 Osborne Rd., fNortl�aestern Orth.)
Lirr7a Sarrlberg. 500 Osborne Rd.. (NortYa�vestern Orth. )
Leon Martin, University Ave.nue"Associ.ates
Lirr7a Fisher, (representing Sprirx�brook A�rl�nents?
Father Jahn Magranm, Orth+odox Church
Vladimir Chahwsko�, 4717 Coliunbus Ave. S.
Teriy Hart, 6000 - 3rd St. N. E.
APPI�VAL OF JUI� 22, 1988, PLAI�TIl�1G OJNA�tISSIDN MIl�UTFS:
Mr. D�ahlberg stated that on gages 4, 6, and 9, "25-30 second sheathing
materi.al" shauld be char�ed to "25/30 irr,h sheathing materi.al °.
NDTIDN by Mr. Korrlri.ck, seconded by Ms. Sherek, to apprave the June 22 ,
1988, Plannir�g Ca�ni.ssion miraites as amerrled.
UI�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, Q�AIRPER90N BE�LQLD DECC,ARID THE NDTION
C7�,RR� UNANINDUSLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: �NSmERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #88-08, BY
- WILLIAM BARI'RAM:
Per Section 205.14.O1.C.2 of the Fridley City Code to 'allow automobile
agencies to sell or c�isplay new and/or used vehicles; per Section
205.14.O1.C.8 of the Fridley City Code to allow exterior storage of
materials and equiFanent on Lot 2, Block 2, Springbrook Apart,ments at
l�brthtown, generally located rnrth of 83rd Avenue and west of University
Aver�ue.
PIBLIC F�4RIlVG OPEN
Mr. Rd�ertson stated this property was zoried C�2, general busirnss distri.ct,
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which allaas autanobile clealerships ar�d autside storage of materials as a
speci.al use. The property abuts an i�3, mul.tiple c�aelliru3 district, to the
west arri C�2 to the mrth ar�d south.
Mr. Robertson stated the elevations stil l did not shaw ariy roof top
equignent, which was a question that had to be pursued with the petitioner.
The buildir� �rii� be a,pp�roximately 28,000 sq. ft. af floor area with 22,410
sq. ft. on the grounc� level and approx. 6,100 sq. ft. on the mezzanine
le�e1. � The sp3ce will be divided� araong- showrooQn, office, sezvice, body
slzop, -ar�d exparision uses.
Mr. R4bertson stated this area was also the site of the Springbrook
Apartments, the Northwestern Orthopedic Clinic, the first clinic the
Flannirig Catmission reviewed arxi reco[t¢nerr3ed approval to City Cauncil about
one ymr ago. A secor,d clinic is beir�g planr�ed for the mrth side of 83 rd
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Mr. I�bertson stated the site contai ns wetlands that will be af f ected by the
develo�nent. The petetior�er has obtair�ed a r�atiorsl permit f rcan the Corps
of Engir�eers which allv�as the filling of the wetlar�ds.
Mr. Robertson sh+owed a site plan tt�at was a revised plan from the one the
C'ar�nissioners had received in their agerx�a �cket.
Mr. Barna stated that regarding the building of a second clinic by
Nort�estern Orthapc�ii.cs, the wa,y the f rontage road is desigr�ed on the mrth
side as oo��ared to the south side, that was goir�g to reduce the amount of
property available to the other lot. Wi11 that still be a vi.able progosal ?
Norttaaestern Ozthr�pedics applied for ar�d received quite a few variances for
the first clinic.
Mr. Rd�ertson stated he l�a the develapers were aware of that difference,
arrl it was possible there would be sane vari,a�es for that property.
Mr. Barra stated he just wanted Norttavestern Orthopedics to be aware that
this i.f this lot was too much st�al.ler tY�an the lot to the south, they were
going to have a hard time getting variances because it would be a
self-created ham�hip.
Mr. D�Iberg �ked if staff Y�ad Y�ad adeqUate time to review the revised.
drawi�s to mak� sure the buildir�g wauld adhere to all the setbacks.
Mr. l�bertson stated, yes, staff had reviewed the revised drawings.
Mr. Willi.am Bartram, the petitiozber, stated they plan to build a new auto
dealership on this parcel of property. Regarding the awnership of this
�rcel and the parcel iiranedi.ately to the east of it, the parcel to the east
was sold sca�ee t,i.aie ago to Nort�Yaaestern Orthopedics. Sane time �rlier, when
both pa.rcels were platted, it was his understanding that it was done in
accordarice with the desires of the City of Fridley in ternns of layout arxi
the positioning of the roadway. He stated this was in response to Mr.
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Mr. Barra asked if Mr. Bartxam was plaruu.ng on mar�agir�g the dealership, arrl
what type autai�abiles �would he sell ar�d service?
Mr. Bartram stated he would marage the dealership. He stated he was also
the dealer ar�d President of Brvokdale C7�ysler/Plymauth in Bzmlclyn Center,
ar�d he has been running that dealership for ten years. He stated they have
single family han�s on two sides of the dealership in Brooklyn Center, and
have had no cxe�ments fran their r�ei��bors. He stated they do operate in a
aanner to � cognizant of the residenti.al neig%borhood.
Mr. Bartiam stated they will be selling both new arr3 used auta�abiles. They
currently have a franchise to sell Yugo brarxi autcanobiles, and they are
discussirx,� franchise situations with 2-3 other marnifacturers.
Mr. Barra asked if the auto re�aair shop would be strictly for v�icles being
soid at the dealership, or would it also be open to the general public?
Mr. Bartram stated he believed most dealerships were open to the general
public; hawever, it would gernrally be for cars they have expertise on. In
gernral, they do warran.ty work arrl custaner service work on vehicles sold or
on the used cars that are beir�g pre�ared for sale.
Mr. Barra asked that rnganiing the body shap, were they going � have emugh
inside storage area for vehicles that are not ready for sale? The
dealership was right r�ext door to an apar�nent complex, and there was the
possibility of a senior develognent to the mrth.
Mr. �rtram stated they are lookirx,� at additional property. They need to
work with the City Engineering De�xirtinent on the current layout to see hvw
they can lay out the 100 ymr flood drairage area. They can certainly work
that area so they have n�re parkir�g i�diately to the west of the building
so they can have more screened �rki� areas available. They are currently
discussing with t-he people mamging the estate for the praperiy to the nox-t.h
of aaqui.ring a two acre �arcel which would allaa them to have more parking
area for service or body shop vehicles that might be in a damaged oorrlition.
He stated he was vexy ser�sitive t.o that concern ar�d did mt want these types
of vehicles displayed where they would be an eyesore to the general public
arrl certainly mt to the rnigY�bors.
Mr. Betzold asked haw this d�lership c�anpared in size to other dea.lerships
in Fridl� such as Vikir�g Ch�vivlet or Nissan Nozth.
Mr. Bartra� stated the main parcel of lar�d they currently awn and are
pivposing �he develognent for was appro�c. 3.2 acres. Most car dealerships
he was famili�r with were built on anythirig frcro slightly wer two acres up
to an average of 3-3 1/2 acres. His car dealer.�liip in Brooklyn Center was
4.3 acres which included a green strip arour�d the back of the service
Farkirx,� area.
Mr. Betzold asked what tfineframe Mr. Bartram was looking at for the
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Mr. Bartram stated he would like to coatunence construction as soon as
possible so th� would be able to canplete the o�utside lot work ar�d have the
first coat af �s.ving on before late October. They would like to open by
Jan. 1, 1989.
Mr. Dah7.berg asked i�ow many different brarris of vehicles Mr. Bartram would
be-selling.
Mr. Bartram stated the rn�nber of franchises would depend upon the voliune
level those vehicles have in th+e imrket area. They are talking to two other
important frarrh.ises. One o� these has a good preser�ce in mr�st market areas
ar�d does mt have sufficient dealer representation currently in the 'I�in
Cities market. In that case, thc� mi�t leave the Yugo in Brooklyn Center
ar�d put the other brarrl in Fridley b� itself. Th� are talking to a third
�rnafacturer that would be a lower vol�ne car currently, Volkswagen, which
used to have a facil ity on Centza]. Avernie, south of I-694. If they had the
Volkswagen ar�d the Yugo, tl�t might be all they would have at this facility.
There was the possibility of amther specialty frar�chise that might have a
4 wheel drive utility vehicle that would be a limited pnoduct lir�e.
Mr. �hlberg stated the reason he was asking about the rnmiber of vehicle
types was because each � these ca�nies wauld want their own distinctive
sign, ar�d Mr. Bartram w�d be limited by ordirance on the amaunt of sig=age
he w�lci be allaaed to have. They do mt want to have billboard signs all
along the street frontage advertisirig all three car aeiw£acturers.
Mr. Bartram stated he would mt propose ariy more signage on the property
tt�an what was allaaed Y� code, regardless of how many franchises he had.
His preferer,ce was for signs that are in keeping with what people would
consider current high er�d develapnent kirrl of profiles. He was mt looking
for large signs.
Mr. Betzold stated it saur�died like the dealership would pri�rily deal with
import autamobiles.
Mr. Bartr�m stated Minnesota State Law states that a new automobile
dealership cannot be added within 10 miles of an existing one, so that
pretty well elimir�ated any domestic franchise in this area unless a
dealership happened to give or� up, arrl that was mt likely to happen.
Mr. Barra asked about t3ie lighting plan.
Mr. Mict�ael Klein, the architect for the proj ect, reviewed the lighting
plan.
Mr. Bartram stated they were looking at fixtures that have a very high
cut off so the lig2x� is direct.ed c7own onto the praperty ar�d is mt to go aut
horizontally to be a bright li�t at scxneone's a�rtinent.
Mr. Bara�a asked Mr. R�obertson haw this lighting plan fit in with the
Un3.versity Avesnie Corridor lighting plan.
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Mr. Robertson stated staff has mt had a chance to talk to the architects
about the li�iting alorig University Avenue. They have sane prototypes fz�oan
the design consultant for de�rative lighting, a glabe-type fixture, to be
installed in the planting strip between the �rking.lot arrl the curb. They
could furnish the architect with those specifications. -
Mr. lmbertson stated staff was re�errlir�g the follawing stipulations:
1. Petitioner agrees to sewer ar�d water assessnents.
2. Petitioner to install lar�scapir�g as per City approved plan by June 15,
- 1989.
3. Hmplc�ee%ustamer/sezvice parking to be desigr�ated by signage.
4. Etnplv,�ee%ustamer/service parking to be striped at 10' x 18' stalls.
Display car stalls to be 9' x 18'. -
5. Upon expansion of the autat�obile dealerstiip, the petitioner is to work
with the City to deterniir�e whether or mt a permit wil l be needed f roan
the Depar�nent of Natural Resources ar�d/or the Oorps of Engirieers.
6. There is to be m o�utside speaker usage.
7. A privacy fer�ce is to be ir�talled along the west property lir�e by May
- 15, 1989.
8. The petitioner is to su}�ut a stoan drair�age plan for staff approval
prior to the City Cou:ncil meeting.
9. A Pexfonnar�ce Bor�d or Letter of Credit to be submitted to the City of
- Fridlc-� for 3� of the buildirx3 construction valu+e prior to the issuance
of a building �*�; t. �
10. A road assessnent arrl ri�it of-�v�ray extension agreenent to be sign�ed by
both the petitioner ar�d the r�eighbor to the mrth. This dQC�anent is to
be �ecorded at the Arnlca County Courthause prior to the issuance of the
buildi� peanit.
Mr. Robertson stated the reason for stipulation #10 was because several
types of development have been discussed for this area between the
petitior�er's property ar�d the � property. 7�ie obj ective was to get those
dif f erent properiy owr�ers to agree on the al igrment for the f rontage mad.
Mr Bartiam stated he wrnil.d seriausly question stipulation #10. He would be
happ� to c�nply with that stipulation on his properiy and the property to
the mrth (if h+e should aasuire the mrthern piece of property) ; haaever,
this sti�lation states that his ability to proceed with his project was
deper�dent upon him being able to secure apprwal fran the property awner to
the mrth, aver wham Ybe has na wntrol whatsoever. In fact, that garcel is
aurnd by an estate arrl is beir�g administered 1� a� bank in St. Paul, arid they
are mt vezy likely to grant anything until they are rearly to sell the
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property ar�d the r�ew owner wishes to plat the praperty. At that time, the
City has the authority to designate where the roadway should be on the
praperty. He did mt understar�r3 why it should be his responsibility to
secure approval f�n that pzoperty avner which might mt be forthcoQni.ng arx3.
have his develo�ent stopped until such tim+e as he could get tt�at app�ral.
Mr. Betzold stated Mr. Bartram had raised a good point.
Mr. Bartram stated. he had m pmblem with the City rn�tifying the property
owr5ers to the mrth, but he would obj ect to his pivj ect beirig held up until
such a tia�e as the properiy avner to the mrth deened it as beirx,� o.k.
Mr. Bartram stated that regaYdi.ng stipulation #7, while he did mt obj ect to
putting in fenci� arxi proper screening along the west property line, he
believed that a cambiration of eveYgreen trees or some other foliage might
be a more attractive screening device than having a privacy fence. A
privacy fence usually erbds up being wood, it requires a high level of
maintersr�ce, ar�d usually wood privacy fer�ces are mt terribly attractive.
The area immediately west of there is primarily the back of the apartment
garages; ar�d he did mt think puttir�g up a privacy fer�ce across the back of
the garages would enhance an�thing. He thought the� would better serve the
people in the apartment buildir�gs anl the ca�minity as a whole if they did
planting of evergreens or sane other canbiration of screenirx,� products that
might prwide that screening without spending t2ie maney to build a fence
behir�d garages.
Mr. Robertson stated he had prepared a rough illustration to show the
gerberal relationship between the apartsnent project and the petitioner's
proposal airl to point out that there is a hiking/biking trail between the
garages arrl the pxvperty lin+e in question. So, it was r�ot just passive
space; there was going to be soane active use of that area behind the
garages.
Mr. Bartram stated stipulation #6 stated that there be n�o outside speaker
usage. G1�rrnntly, he did mt have any plans for an outside speaker, but
most car d�lerships d4 have sane kirr3 of outside speaker system that is
used during regu].ar business Y�urs. He would be agree�able to a stipulation
tt�at allowed the outside speaker systen, but restricted the hours it could
be used; for example, between the hours of 8:30 a.m to 9:00 p.m. Morx]ay -
Saturday ar�d m usage on Su�7ay. Car dealerships generally close at 6:00
p.m. on Friday ar�d Saturolay so-he would not anticipate any usage of the
speaker system after 6:00 p.m._ on Friday or Saturday. He stated the
speakers are used soley for ��ing dealership staff. �
Mr. Betzold asked if Mr. Bartram would be agrea3ble to having a stipulaton
that said the speaker sqsten would be used only for �ging.
Mr. Bartram stated 1ae would be agreeable to such a sti�lation.
Mr. Sa�a askecl if Mr. Bartxam had ar� irltention of installing any kir�d of
m4bile Ynane to be used as a sales office for the sale of used cars.
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Mr. Bartram stated he would mt. He stated they are taking about a high er�d
appearar�ce facility, a veiy clean, modem, attractive facility, arid he would
destray his own i.m�ge by bringing something of that nature onto the
P�rtY •
Mr. Ror�dri.ck asked how much distance there was between the rear of the
apartment garages ar�d the �rkir�g lot on the west edge. Was a bernn possible
instead of a f er�ce?
Mr. IQein stated there was appmxinately 110 feet frosn the garage wall at
the widest errl, ar�d then it rarrows down to 65 feet.
Mr. Bartram stated he had conte�lated a bean along the entire west side ar�d
then doirzg derise plantir�g of pine t,rees. Their problen was that the water
storage necessitates a n�egative benn.
Mr. Jim Parker, Advar�ce Suxveyir�g & Engineeririg, stated they were doing the
drairr�ge calculations for the pond and right r�ow the existing porsd goes
right up to the properiy lir�e, so in order to build a bernn on this property
as apposed to on the adj oini.r�g px�perty, they would be f il l ing in the por�l
rather than creatir�g storage. There was already a row of evergreens which
was in pretty tough shape bec�.use of the drought, ar�d there was a pretty
c,�ood screening pro�vided by the back of the garages.
Mr. Parker stated that referring to stipulation #10, in looking at the
survey, it appeared to him that the strip of land was �: platted road
dedicated to the public for public use forever, ar�d he did not think there
was any easy way of ct�ar�ging that ri�t mw.
Mr. l�bertson stated he had been overly cautious in suggesting stipulation
#10, a.r�d that stipulation should be rewo�.
Mr. Dahlberg stated. that with respect to the fence (stipulation #7) , he
agreed with the petitioner that it made sense to mt have a fence along
there. A consideration that must be taken into account, however, was that a
fer�ce-should be installed fran the soutta�vest corner to the r�orth, at least
to the garages.
Mr. Dahlberg stated tlnat regan3ing the oaitside speaker, if the Co�anission
decided to change stipulation #6 to allav autside speaker usage, then they
should also stipulate that the speakers mt face the apartment canplex.
Mr. I�ein Pxplair�ed the building materi.als ar�d described the plans in more
detail.
Ms. Becky Ar�derson and Ms. Lirr7a Sar�erg were at the meeting representing
Noi=thwestern Orthaped.ics. "�
Ms. Ar�derson stated they had m control wer the car dealership going in on
this p�perLy, but they were emrrcerned about what the busir�ess was going to
loak like on the south sic�e. I�brtla�vestern Orthopedics had to go t,hrough a
lot to get a�roval for their building, which was a 3-story buildi� arrl was
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valued at $3/4 million. They have put wer $40, 000 just into the
larr7scaping. They were vexy cor�cerned, �speccially with the other piece of
lar�d in front that they own.
Mr. Klein shaaed the landscape plan. They were proposing trees at
appmximate 50 ft. ir�tervals along the right of�way on University Aver�ue ar�d
right of-way on 83Yd Avenue. Thc-� l�ave a series of interior planting areas
which wi11 basically def ir�e the circulation areas.
Ms. Sarx�rg asked about the autside storage. She stated that when they
lo�k at their bu�ldir�g, they do mt want to b� loaking at old wrecked cars
aut in the middle of the landscapirr,�.
Mr. Bartram stated he does interx3 to have a high grade def ined kir�3 of
establisYanent that is attractive to their custaner base and the people in
the c�rmunity. Ar.�ther use that «�uuld go in on this same praperiy without a
special use pennit was a ger�eral m�charr7.ise ce�er or other uses that mi�t
be far less attractive than what this facility was with some interior
landscaping and a substantial landscaping barrier along the entire
University Avet�ue frontage ivad.
Ms. Sar�erg stated their main concern was the lar�dscapir�g arrl that the auto
dealership is required to meet the same guidelin�es that the Northwestern
Orthopedics was required to do. 5he stated the petitioner has shawn them
the larldscaping plan, and as long as they have the assurance that the
laridscapirx3 wi11 be required ur�der the guidelines of the City ar�d that the
larr7scaping will be maintained, then she was sure the� would be satisfied.
Ms. Linda Fisher, stated she was an attorney representing Springbrook
Ag3Ytments. She stated Leon Martin, Marager of Sprirx,�rook Apartments was
also in the audier�ce. She stated the Springbrook Apartment proj ect went
through an extensive review process. Springbrook was a site within a
redevelo�nent district, ar�d the City had very hi�i expectations for a high
quality, high amenity, develognent in this area, anl the developer tried to
help the City �lize those expectations. Th� retained a mmiber of experts
to work on the project--hydrolagists, wetland and wildlife experts,
landscape architects, er�ineers, etc. Th� held a serie.s of preappl ica tion
rnighborhood meetirigs at which they presented extensive drawings showing
visual iBg�act, mitigation of visual impact, ar�d other i�cts on the Nature
Center. They tried to address as many cor�cerns of the Springbrook Nature
C�nter as possible prior to the public hearings.
Ms. Fisher stated there were over 40 co�ci.itions for the apprwal of the
SpY-ir�roo]c Ap�rtrnent pivject, and the stipulations were much m4re specific
than the stipulations proposed for the car dealership. The� would like this
developer to be held to the �anne kirrl of perFoanar�ce starr]aids as they were.
Ms. Fisher stated they �ant to be good r�eighors, ar�d i.f the develo�ment does
proceeds ttaey feQ1 they can live with it; Y�wever, they do have an werall
concern about t�e appropriateness of the land use. The automobile
dmlershig i.s a special use which mear�s it is �ot dee�ned appropriate as a
matter of ri�t a.nd the develaper has the buzden of ineeting fir�dings in the
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City Ozd.ir�ar�ce before a pennit can be issued. She stated. they have some
questions as to whether those fi.r�di.rr3s can be met based on the irrEormation
presented. She stated that even if the City Council deteanines that the
larrl use is appropriate, they have cor�cerns about specif ic impacts of the
use and how they can be mitigated arrl perfornna�e standards that can be put
into irore def inite stipulations.
Ms. Fisher stated they have not had an opportunity to review the latest
plar� presented. at this meeting, ar�d, in their opini.on, thc-y felt there wP.re
too many unanswered questions for the Planning Commission to make a
reooasnendation at this time.
Ms. Fisher stated they were aware the site was zor�d for caRmercial use, ar�d
they were mt obj ecting to c:o�nercial use, ar�l they knew there were soQC►e
uses that would be allaaed as a matter of right. Uses they thought mi.ght go
on the site that would actually be amenities to-the apartment project or the
future senior cit�z en pr�j ect would be various shoppirx,� center uses, grocexy
store, the type of things that could set the tor�e for the redevelo�nent of
the area arrl could work like a planr�ed unit develaianent. The City did assist
the Sprinc�rrook pr�j ect with tax iricranent lwusir�g ar�d revernue bor�ds, so the
City has an ir�terest in this area. 7.ioday, the Sprirr�rook Apartments is a
very successful proj ect. �
Ms. Fisher stated they question whether this is really a good site for a car
dealership because of the lack of a direct access for mrtl�bour�d traffic off
University Avenue. They are concerned that if the business does not
succeed, there woul�. be an e�ty building and �xirking lot at the gateway to
Sprin�rook AparGments. There is aleady an �npty restaurant on the south
side of 83rd Avernie/University Avernie.
Ms. Fisher stated they are concerned about the quality in terms of
construction materials. In loQki.rr� at the elevations, there was m question
that there was sane ve�y high quality fe3tures built into the proj ect, but
if they ur�derstood the elevations correctly, there appeared to be plain
masoruy on the west side. If tl�at is true, they would be concerned about
the visual impact on Sprirx�roak Apariznents. They would like to see soane
cross sections anl so�ne visual afterstudies. Springbrook was required to
put brick on their structure, ax�d it was up to the City to decide whether
that was required here. The west side was vezy in�ortant.
Ms. Fisher stated they have mt reviewed the landscaping plan that was
bef ore the Planni� CaY¢ni.ssion. It did mt appea r to be a nywhere nea r as
densely planted as what was required for Sprir�xoo�c. Regaxdirx3 the privac.y
fer�ce as og�posed to screening, they were not in a position to tell the
petitioner what they think at this time, ar�d they would 1 ike to have soane
more ir�orn�ation regardirig grades, elevations, etc. , in order to decide if
screening migd�t be better achieved by evergreens, f ence, berm, etc. They
were not convir,ced that the screening proposed on the plans was adequate.
Ms. Fisher stated they wer+e veay co�ucerned a�ut outside storage ar�d the
screening of c�rs. An issue mt yet discussed was traffic. Car sales could
introduce a signif icant amount of traf f ic on 83 rd Avenue. They were
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specifically concerned about test drives on 83rd Avernue, and would request
that there be a prohibition a�irLSt any seYVice testing or test drives on
83rd Avenue, because of the safety issues involved. There were a
signif icant rnnnber of young children in the a�rl�nents, argl the deal ership
might mt be able to control some of the test drives. They have some
cancern about the curi� cut onto 83rd Ave.nue, arid their initial reaction was
that all access should be off the r�ew frontage road.
Ms. Fisher stated that in obsen�ing other car lots, they have four�3 that
parking often spills aut onto adjace� streets, ar�d thc� are concerned about
any orr street parking that could r�sul.t on 83rd Avenue that could have a
safety ar�d visual impact on S�ringbrook Agartrnents. Another significant
�ncern related to mise. There was txaffic rnise, but more specifically,
there was he mise ccming fmn service bays, air wrer�hes, etc. On one of
the plans, there was a large overhead door pointed at the apartments, ar�d
they have mt seen any studies which irrlicate that the garage structures
would mitigate tl�at mise. They are in favor of a total prohi.bition of a
lwd sp�ker systen. The hpurs of aperation did rmt really satisfy th�n.
There were a r�rJ�r of young children on the Sprir�gbrook site. She stated
at a minimiun, one way to look at this would be a study using the NR�CA noise
starr7ards which would access whether or mt state mise starrlards were being
satisfied }X this project. They have mt seen that study, and th� think
tha t would need to be perf ormed bef ore there were any cha nge s i n the
cor�ditions proposed � staff regarding the prohibition of the lo�xl speaker.
Ms. Fisher stated lighting was a concern. They are concerned that the
lights on the west side rnt spill onto the adjacent property and be shaded
ar�d diffused downa�aYd. There was a specif ic stipulation attached to the
Sprirx,�rook Apartrnent-project that actually required then to elimizate their
lighting on the side that faces the Sprirx�zook Nature Center.
Ms. Fisher stated they are veYy �ncerned that the use, in arxi of itself,
might have rrv�egative impacts regarding evening hours of operation when
residents are at hane ar�d the children are aut on the play lots.
Ms. Fisher stated that, overall, the general area of concern was the stonn
drair�ge/wetland issue. They retained Barton-Ashman and their
wildlife/wetland experts and did extensive wildlife and wetland and
drairx,�ge st�es. They rieed�d an i�ividual Corps of Engineers permit.
5he Y�ad sane que�ian as to whether this project quali.fied for a ratiorrwide
peYmit, but at this poi�, they wauld mt contest that. But, they thought
it was an important enough issue to warrant the Planning Commission
reviewing tt�at stoan draiiage plan before acting on the special use permit.
They would also be willir� to work on that plan with the developer to make
sure that water is harrlled in the agpzopriate aanr�er.
Ms. Fisher stated that, in stamnaxy, they had cor�cerns about the following:
the appropriateness of the lar�d use, quality of materials, visual impact,
the oaitside speaker systeqn, screening, lighting, arxl the stornn drainage
plan.
Ms. Fisher stated. she would r�te t,hat in Section 205.05.04.F there are
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vario�us f irrli�s the City Council aoist make in order to issue a special use
pennit: the rature of the site, the rature of the adj oinir�g lar�d, traf f ic,
other factors the City Cour�il deans appzopriate. Subsection F. lists the
health, safety, ar�d welfare of occupants of surrour�ding land; effect on
proerty values, Pxisting ar�d anticipated traffic issues.
Ms. Fisher stated they feel it is the developer's burden to address these
firnlings ar�d to denonstrate that those have been met. They question whether
a c�r dealerahi.p on this site can meet those fir�dings, no matter how well
intentior�ed. If the City C�uncil does mt agree with that, then they feel
there should be a ram►ber of stringent perfornnance star�dards arx3 coriditions
attached on any apprwal to mitigate any adverse effects.
Mr. Bartaam stated he believed the stipulations the Sprin+�rook proj ect had
to- meet were more related to the fact that they are right next to the
Sprir�rook Nature Center to the west, ar�d that their property did contain
wetlar�ds that were ur�der the direction of the Corps of Engineers who said
the piece of water they have on their lar�d did not meet a� of their
considerations for then to have any interest in it whatsoever, and so they
issued the stan7ard permit.
Mr. Bartram stated Ms. Fisher had stated she thaught a more agpzopriate use
for the lar�d would be a grocery store or other shopping area. He stated
that the City could wait for a vezy long time for that kir�d of develo�nent
because of the C:1�b Food.s Store at Northtown ar�d another groceYy store at
85th Avernie. He c�uld urxierstar�d that with an apar�►ient canplex, it wou.ld
� ideal to-have saneorn open up a light traffic soft retail aperation �xt
door, but he did not kr�w that it was appropriate to deny a use of the
praperiy that he thaught was a reasorable use for a canttercial area.
Mr. Beizold st�ted staff ar�d c�missions have spent a lot of time talking
about the upgrading of University Avenue Corridor so people have the
distir�ct feeling of being in Fridley. L�tren thauqh the Cii,y needs good auto
d�lers�iips, ar�d he was impressed with the plan, this was a veiy important
co�er of the city ar�d they have to be careful about what goes into this
small area. He stated the City has been veiy ircg�ressed with the Spri.r�rook
Apar�nent p�j ect ar�d the Norttbvestern Ozthapedics Clinic, and he j ust did
mt see then all as being ca�tible.
Mr. BaYtram stated if a developer had aa�uired all those acres and done a
planned unit develogment, then the City would have had a consistent
develo�anent. Ur�fortusately, that was mt true arrl the praperties are owned
by several different owners. He stated they do plan on having a fine
quality facility ar�d site, nicely maintained. They were certainly n,ot
designir,g a shabb,� structure. �
Mr. Rondrick stated one of the most important issues Ms. Fisher had
addressed was the body shap arrl the mise associated with a bc�dy shap.
Mr. Bartxam stated they have designed the body shap area so that the sour�d
will be substariti.ally deadened f r�n the metal working areas, which were
located on the eastern side af the buildirig. He stated that at his current
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dealexship in Brooklyn Center, they have single family residents on two
sides of the building arrl pr�perty, ar�d t2iey have mt had a mise complaint
in seven years. Ar�d, thc� aperate a i,wo shift sexvice degartment at that
facil ity, which they would mt be doing here. He stated he f el t they were
aware af these types of p�tenti.al r�oise prabiesns arx�. were taking steps to
minimize the mise.
Mr. Dahlberg stated one question raised by Ms. Fisher was relative to
tr�ffic. Were there any starr]azds or docianents that have been pregared as
ger�eral - ir�fonnation that would suggest l�w much traf f ic is generated by a
c�r dealership fran the starrlpoirit of test drives, etc.?
Mr. BartYam stated he did naw knaw of any particular study, but at the
Broolclyn Center facility which was a high voltane facility, they service
about 50-60 cars per day, and they have approximately 35-50 retail car
s,happers, either fe�r �r or u�ed cars, per day. Looking at those traffic
levels, that was about 10�120 c�rs per day, plus a�ployee cars. He would
imagir�e a car dealership ger�erated a fairly law traffic volume c�npared to
most retail establistIInents. If they had a retail grocery store or some
other type of retail establisYm�ent, they wuld have as many as 100 cars per
hour instead of 100 cars per day.
Mr. Dahlberg asked what the freqwerx.y arr3/or �ilar delivery schedule was
for r�ew vehicles caning in on trar�sports.
Mr. �=tram stated they came in during workir�g haurs, generally af ter 8:30
a.m. and never after 4:00 p.m. The length of time for unloading was
appro�mately 3�40 �ir�utes. I�e stated they would get approximately two
trar�sports a week, naybe three, particularly with �ma7.ler import cars.
Mr. Betzold stated Ms. Fisher had raised a suggested stipulation to restrict
test drives on 83rd Avenue. F�w did Mr. Bartram feel about that?
Mr. Bartxam st.��ed if test driv� along 83rd Ave.nue ever became a rruisance
pznblen, he would be happ� to irLStruct the salespeople to take those test
driyes elsewhere. He would think the mrnnal. area for test drives would be
south on the frontage road. He did not think test drives would be
recannerided }aack into the area of the Sprin�rook Apartments or in the
irrlustrial area.
Ms. Sherek stated a simple solution would be to post a sign at the
de�l.ership exit saying "left tum only" or °right turn for local traffic
Only °.
Mr. Bartram �ted he �rcn�� mt be apposed to that.
NDTIDN � Ms. Stiernk, seoonded by Mr. Kor,dri.ck, to close the public hearirag.
UPQAT A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTI,NG AYE, CHAIlZPER9DN BE�LQLD DECZARID THE PUBLIC
HF�.RNG QASID AT 9:32 P. NL
Mr. Barra stated he did mt think a ca.r dealership was econanically feasible
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on this oorner, because of the lack of good accessibility.
Mr. Saba stated he tlwught the petitioner had done a veiy good job in txyirig
to- create a ni.ce looking buildirx,�. The site plan looked ni.ce, and he has
been working with staff on larr7scaping arrl screening. He stated he has had
his car sezviced at the Brooklyn Center facility, ar�d they c10 an autstarrlirx,�
job in being a quiet rnighbor to the single family ho�nes in the area. He
stated. he did mt think traffic would be a problen, ar�d he would be in favor
of reoacme�r�dir�g approval af this special use penait.
Ms. Sherek stated she would be co�cen�ed about the outside speaker usage.
Sh� was faur blocks fYUn a car�any that uses an outside speaker. She stated
there were other techmlogies for pagi� salespeople that would mt have any
i�ct on the surrour�dir�g neigY�bonc��od. Sir�ce rnise could have an imp�ct on
t,he residents of the Springbrook Agartrnents, she would be in favor of
stipulation #6 ramaini.ng the s�ame.
Ms. Sherek stated the issue of the privacy fence versus evergreens neecled to
be explored further. Possibly there should be some combination of
fencing/privac.y planting at the south err3 where there are no garages, but
she did agree with the petitiorber that fencing tends to beco¢ne an eyesore
over time.
Ms. Sherek stated she did mt have a cor�cern about a new car dealership in
this location. A lot of thought, planning, and money has gone into this
prnposal. �en though it would be nice to have a convenier�ce store next to
the apartment buildir�gs instead of a car dealership, she did not see any
irappropriraten+ess to this use.
Mr. Kondrick stated he agreed. His only concern was the noise in the body
shap area. If that can be alleviated, he would be satisfied. He agreed
with Ms. �Sherek regarding the screening. As far as an a�ropriate use for
the land, what was appropriate? This was a good plan. As far as
sti�wlation #10, that shauld be deleted arrl the prap�rty owr�er to the r�rth
should be infos�ned as to what is happening. He would also be in favor of
stipulation #6 that there be m outside speaker usage.
Mr. Bartram stated it would be nice to have the availability of an outside
speaker systen; but if the City Council agrees with that stipulation, he
could live with it.
Mr. Dah].berg stated one of the issues brought up by Ms. Fisher that hasn't
be�n addressed was the finish on the west wall o� the building. He stated
that wall shauld be finished to match the finish of the remainder of the
building. He did mt think a painted block wall, when facing an apartment
co�nplex pith three levels, was sufficient.
Mr. Dahlberg stated if the landscape treatrnent was sufficient with respect
to -ordirance, that was fir�e. ]atat staff should make sure tt�at the landscaping
ac�eres strictly to ordi.rsnce. R�rding the autside speaker usage, they
should also mt allaa the ringing of ar� bells.
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Mr. Robertson stated he would advise the deletion of stipulation #10.
Mr. Dahlberg stated that he was mt sure the height of the parapet wall was
suf f icient to screen roof top equipqnent, so he would suggest site 1 ine
studies be done to address the issue, mt with respect to just simply the
view f run 83 rd. Aver�ue, but al so f n�m University Avernie a rr3 the thi rd 1 ev el
of the apannent camplex.
Mr. Betzold stated Ms. Fisher had also raised the point of whether the
Planning Cca�¢nissioh had suf f icient inf ormation in order to make a
reccennerr7ation to the City Council at this time. From what he was hearing,
the Planning Catmission members sesned ready to make that rec�anerr7aton. He
stated he was mt sure a car dealership was an appropriate use for this
location, arrl he was mt sure he could support it, even though it was an
ex,cellent plan. He realized there were other uses tl�at could go in on the
pr�aperty without even having to c:ome to the City for a�n�val.
NDTIDN 1� Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to recommend to City
Council apprtyval of special use perniit, SP #88-08, by William Bartram, per
Section 205.14.01.C.2 of the Fridley City Code to allaa auta�vQbile agencies
to sell or display n�v arrl/or used vehicl�s; per Section 2 05.14 . 01. C. 8 of
the Fridl� City Code to allani exterior storage of materials ar�d equipment
on Lot 2, Block 2, Sprirx�orook A�rtments at Northtvwn, generally located
mrth of 83rd Avenue arxl west of University Avenue, with the follawing
stipulations:
1. Petitioner agrees to s�ver ar�d water assessnents.
2. P�titior�r to install lar�dscaping ar�d li�ting as per City approved plan
by Jur� 15, 1989.
3. Fhiplo�ee%ustaner/sexvice parking to be desigrsted by sigr�age.
4. �mplq�ee%ustaner/service parking to be striped at 10' x 18' stalls.
- Dasgla� car stalls to be 9' x 18'.
5. Upon ex�nsion of the autambile dealer�hip, the petitioner is to work
with the City to detennine whether or mt a permit will be r�eeded f ro�n
the De�artlnent of Natural Resaur+ces a�l/or the Corps of Engineers.
6.
7.
8.
There is to be m outside speaker usage.
Dense privacy screening as approved by staff to be installed along the
west properiy line 1� May 15, 1989.
The petitioner is to sutnnit a storm drair�age plan for sta.ff apprwal
pri.or to the City Council meeting.
9. A Pexforn►ance Bonl or Letter of Credit to be submitted to the City of
Frid1Ey for 3�s of the building constnvction value prior to the issuance
of a building penni�
10. The west r�l of the building to be architecturally the same as the
- other thr�e walls of the build.ir�g.
11. Site lir�e studie� to be done to make sure t1�at all mechanical equi�nent
� on the roof top is screer�ed f nan the apar�►ierit ocanplex.
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UP�N A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, N BE�L4LD DECLARF.D THE NDTION
(��.RR.� UIVANINDUS[,Y. -
Mr. Betzold stated this iten wauld go to City Couricil on August 8.
2. P°[JBLIC HEARIl�: CANSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #88-09, BY
- OF�!'H�DOX CHURCH OF THE R�'SURRECTIDN OF CEIR��S°I':
Per Section 205.05.04 of the Fridl� City Code to allaa a church, parsorage,
bell taaer and religious �ok store in an S-1, Hyde Park Neighborhood,
zonir� district on Lots 27 arrl 28, Block 12, Hyc1e Park, the same being 5973
- 3Yd Street N. E.
NDTIDN b� Mr. K�r�ick, sec�rrled by Ms. 5herek, to waive the reading of the
fonnal publi� hearing mtice ar�d to open the public hearing.
UEON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTII� AYE. Q�AIRPER90N BEIZOLD DECZARED THE I+l�TION
CARR� UNAN7NDUSZ,Y Ai�ID THE PCBLIC HFARIl� OPED1 AT 9:57 P.NL
Ms. C�stle stated this pr�erty was located on 3rd Street, south of 60th
Avernie ar�d mrth of 59th Avernie. It was located in an S-1, S�ecial Distri.ct
or Hyde Park District. Churches in S-1 districts were regulated by CI�1,
general office district regulations. She stated the building was currently
existr�g ar�d was the forn►er Er�er� 5hed.
Ms. Castle stated the petitioner was proposing to expand the building by
adding an entzyway on the west side of the buildirig arrl an apse on the east
side of the building. The proposed parkir�g lot does encroach about 5 feet
onto city praper�y, Lot 29. This l�as been cavered by a variance. One of
the stipulations staff was rec�tuner�dir�g was that the petitioner lease this
portion of the propezty f�an the city.
Ms. Castle �riewed the floor plan.
Mr. Vladimir Q�avl�avskoy, the architect for the proj ect, stated there was
ap�roximately 2, 000 sq. ft. of buildirig area. One-half of tl�at would be for
sar�ctUary, and or�-half would be for adjoinirx,� uses--book store, parsonage,
and }aathroan facilita.es.
Ms. C�stle stated the building would be concrete block arid stucco. She
stated the petitior�er has applied for several variances. Those consist of
building variances and hard surface set}�ck variances. The Appeals
Cat¢nission apprwed all the vari.ar�ces except the variar�ce allawing the bell
tvwer in the front yaxd. The City Code does mt allaa accessory uses in the
fmnt yaxd, only in the rear an,d side yard. The Appeals Comanission did
discuss the use of the Uni.versity Avernie sligroff. Ri�t mw, it is on Lot
29 arr3. 20 which i� aar�ed by the City. .
Mr. Barra stated two neic,�hbors in atterru�rice at the Appeals Com�anission
meeting on July 19 agrned that the sl ip-of f shoul� be closed.. No one in
atterr]ance at the meeting had ar� obj ection to the use of the buildi� for a
church.
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Mr. Robertson stated apparently the slip-off has a long history that goes
back to the teime when there were quite a few busir,esses on 3Yd Street. At
the time of the widening of University Avenue, that was a co¢nprc�anise to
retain access to those busir�esses on 3xd Street. Subsequently, t,here has
been a cY�ar�ge in cii.y polic.y to retain Hyc'Le Park as a residenti.al district.
Many of those busir�esses have been replaced by residences so the r�eed for
the slip-off has been reduced.. Also, it should be pointed out that the
City plans the major rer�ovation arrl upgrading of University Avenue in this
section. 'I'hi.s is the urb�an denonstration oorricbr that will tak�e place r�ext
spri�, - s� if the City were to abandon the sl ip-of f, the timing would be
appn�priate to make a rec�mer�3ation to the City Oa�u�il riow so that could
be acc�nplished next spring.
Ms. Castle stated staff v�as reco�neriding approval with the following
stipulations:
1. Parking situation to be revieaed in Lwo years to detennine adequacy of
existing lot.
2. The church be11 shall be only rung at the beginning of each mass on
- Surrlay.
3. Reuse of this building by a different church is required to apply for a
special use permit.
4. A portion of Lot 29, approximately 1, 604 square feet is being leased.
- fian the City at $1.00.
5. Lar�c7scaping to be iristalled as per plan by July 1, 1989.
6. A perfoanance bo� or letter of credit for 3$ of the construction value
- be given to the City prior to issuance of the buildirr,� permit.
7. In.stall six ir�ch. cor�crete curbin� arour�d the entire perimeter of the
��rkingr lot inc��ding driveway opening by Nwenber 1, 1988.
8. Parkir�g lot to be sealooated arrl striped (eight spaces) by NavFSnber 1,
1988.
9. Pbsts are to be z�enwed upon irjstallation of lar�clscaping (July 1, 1989) .
10. Petitiorlex to aeia�tain site iu�¢ned�.ately b� eutting giass arrl eluniratir�g
weer]s.
Father Jahn Magraam stated that regarding �tipulation #1, he was worxlering
if there was any coxu�ection between the two y ea r rev i c�r a nd the amount of
time they would be given to lease Lot 29 for the parking.
Ms. Sherek stated that was a pertinent question, because if the sl ip-of f is
closc�ln tlze City will have to vacate the property ar�d. Lots 29 and 30 are
going to becane available for purrhase. If the� are mt pa�rcl�ased by Father
Jotui's chur�ch, then s�neone else could purchase thesn ar�d build a single
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family hane there. So, Father John would have to consider that if tha.t
slig-off fnm University Avern�.e was closed, in order to retain the parking
on Lot 29, his chus�ch mi�t have to purct�ase either Lot 29 or both Lots 29
ar�d 30 fmn the City. .
Father John stated that in the event they would not be able to reach an
agreenent with the City to either lmse or purchase property for parking,
then they would be against having the sli�roff closed.
Father Jahn stated that regarding stipulation #2, he would suggest the
wordir�g be changed that the church bells be rung only for sezvices ar�
special occasions. Th� do have ar�re than on,e seYVice on a Sur�day, ar�d they
c10 have sexvices sanet�s on a Satu�7ay, perhaps twice a month.
Father Jahn stated tY�at regarding stipulation #4, he was askir�g the City to
consider a 10 year lease for parkirig. The previous petitioner was given 3
years. -
Mr. Betzold stated the Cai¢nission could certainly reca�¢nend that amount of
tiide to the City Cour�cil, ar�d then tt�at could be r�gotiated with the City
Cour�cil.
Father Jahn stated that he questioned Nov. 1, 1989, in stipulation #8 for
the dmdline for the sealcoating and striping for the parking lot. They
will be closing on the pxvperiy in Septenber, ar�d that might r�t give them
emugh time. Could tY�at deadlir�e be extended?
Mr. Betzold stated. that if the getitioner had problems meeting that
deadlir�e, he could request that the City Couricil exterrl the deadlir�e.
Mr. Dahlberg asked what the function of the parsorage would be•
Father Jahn stated it would be living quarters for either himself or a
sister: They currently have a priest's resider�ce in Frid1eY. so this would
be additioral living quarters.
Mr. Chahwska� stated that approximately one-faurth of the building (approx.
250 sq. ft. ) wauld be the �rsorsge area.
NDTIDN k� Mr. Saba, secbrr3ed bY Ms• Sherek. to close the �blic hearing.
UP�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, C[�A�ER90N BEIZQLD DEQ,ARED THE P(�LIC
HEARIl�G QASID AT 10:47 P.NL
Mr. Barra stated he v�anted to again point out that the neighbors at the
Ag�eals Cananission meeting seened quit� 1�aPp� with the proposal and were rnt
opposed to the church.
Mr. Saba stated he had m problans with the praposal. It seaned like a good
plan for the use of a currently urnised facility. He would be in favor of
reca�mer,ding approval of the special use pennit.-
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Mr. D�hlberg stated he l�ad or�e major cor�cern about the project as proposed
with respect to the building functioning also as a place of residence for a
priest or a sister. He tlmught it was lacking fran the star�point of what
the� mi�t classify as a mi.nim�an raquirenent for Y�ausing of an individual.
City ordirance irrlicates tl�at the snallest allaaabl'e square footage for a
resider�ce in a multiple c'haelli� district (the least restrictive) was 425
eq. ft. In an R-1 district, that would be 768 sq. ft. He personally felt
that pbrtion of the buildir�g that was going to be -util iz ed f or a residence
shauld be separated frmn the rest of the use of the building ar�d shauld meet
the minimiun starx]ards (425 sq. f t. , or ariy other siz e the Planning
Catmissian or City Council deened appYOpriatel. Just fram the starrlpoint of
the organization and the layout of the pr�rject, Ybe did mt feel cbmfortable
that it meets minimtan starr7azds or minim�an requiranents.
Mr. Robertson stated he could ask for a deternniration fran Darrel Qark, the
Chief Building Official. There is a kitchen area and a bathrocen area
adjacent to the sleeping room. When a facility is provided in a large
building for a watchperson, �for example, he did not know how that
deternniration was �de.
Mr. Barra stated i�r. CZark did mt seen to have a problem with this, and he
did mt ei ther, f ram the staa�dpoirlt that the enti re 2, 0 0 0 sq . f t. wa s the
reside�e ar,d m�re than meets the 1�1 code. - -
Mr. Dahlberg stated he did not think the issue was that this was a
resider�ce. This is mt a resider�ce. They are apprwir�g a cr�ar�e in use for
this building to a churGh. They ar� mt sayirig this is a residence that can
be used as a church. If they are goirag have multiple uses within a given
structure, then the�e should be a definite separation between those uses.
Mr. Rabertson stated ttiat was an interpretation of the Building Code that
would have to be made, and he would bring this question to Darrel Clark,
C�iief Building Official ani staff representative to the Appeals Consnission.
Ms. Sherek stated there r�eeded to be an opinion before this goes to City
Cour�cil .
Mr. Uahlberg stated there must be a detenni.ration ar�d an apimn rendered by
staff relative to the buildir�g oode as well as the city ordirnce.
NDTIDN by Mr. Dahlberg. secorrled by Ms. Sherek. to reco�errl to City Council
approzral of special use pernnit, SP #88-09, by the Orthodox Church of the
Resurrection of Christ, per S�tion 2 05. 05. 04 of the Fridl ey City Code to
allow a church, parsorage, bell tawer, anl religious book store in an S-1,
HYde Park NeigY�borhood, zoning district on Lots 27 arx3 28, Block 12, Hyde
Park, the same being 5973 - 3rd Streete N.E., with the following
stipulations: - -
1. Parking situation to be revic�ved in Lwo ymrs to deteiznine adequacy of
- existing lot.
2• '1'he church bells st�all be rung only for services.
3• Reuse of this buildir�g by a different church is required to apply for a
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sp�cial use pennit.
4. A portion of I�ot 29, a�ro�cimately 1,604 square feet, is being leased
- fran the City at $1.00 per year as long as the special use peanit is in
effect. -
5. Iar�dscaping to be iristalled as per plan by July 1, 1989.
6. A perfonnar�ce borr3. or letter of creclit for 3� of the construction value
be given to the City prior to issuar�ce of the building peYmit.
7. Install six irrh ooncrete curbing around the entire perimeter of the
-�rking lot including driveway openirr3 bY Nov'ember 1, 1988.
8. Parking lot to be sealwated arid striped (ei�it sp�aces ) by November 1,
- 1988.
9. Posts are to be ranwed upon installation of lar�dscapir�g (July 1, 1989 ).
10. Petitioner to maintain site i�nediately, ugon the closing on the
_ Pm'PerLY� b� cutting gYass arrl elimiratir� weeds.
11. If this facility is to be used also as a resider�ce, it should meet the
- aPP�Pri.ate mininnun codes, oYdiiar�ces. ar�d starr7axds.
UL�N A VOICE VOTE. ALL VOTIl� AYE. CHAIRPFI�N BEZZ�,D DECZARID THE NDT�N
(T.RRIED UNANIl�DUSLY.
NlJTIDN by Mr. Barra, secon+ded by Ms. Sherek, to recommend that the City
Council look�into the possibility of closing the slip-oft at University
Avernue/3rd Street between 59th and 60th Aver�ues.
UI�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, Q�AIRPER.SON BE�Z9� DECLARID THE Nt�TION
CARR� U1�TIl�DUSLY.
3. RECEIVE THE HUMAN RE90URC�S CDNAUSSIDN V�ARKPLP,N FOR 1988-89:
NDTmN b� Ms. Sherek. secor�ded Y� MY'. Saba, to receive the 1988-1989 Human
Resources CaR¢nission Workplan ar�d rec�ener�d aPProval to the City Council.
LTi�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTll� AYE, Q�AIRPEI�N BIIZqLD DECZARED THE NDTION
(�R,R� U1�TIlK�USLY.
4. R�'�CE1VE N�,Y 17, 1988, JOIl�Ti' IIW Il�1� 4��/�Y ��SIDN MIN[PI'F.S:
NDTIDN by Mr. Saba, secorri.ed lx Mr. Dahl�rg, to receive the May 17. 1988,
Joint Envin�rmental Quality/Er�er�"Ca�►ission mirnites.
IJFUN A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE. Q�AIRPER9�N BEIZOLD DECLARID THE NDTI(JN
CI�RR� UNANIl�DUSLY.
5. RECEIV E JUl� 2. 19 88. HUN�N RF�OURCF-S QJNIl�lISS IDN MIl�I[PI'F5 :
NDTIDN by Ms. Sherek, ��� � MY'. ���• ��eive the Ju�e 2, 1988,
g�.mia,n Resources Ca�anission mirnites. -
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U1�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOT71� AYE, Q�AIRPER.90N BE�L9LD DEC�ARID THE NDTmN
C�ItR� UNANIl�DUSLY.
6. RDCEIVE JUI� 6, 1988, PARIGS & RECREATIDN OJN�lISSIDN MIlVtT.�S:
NDTIDN by Mr. KQr�dzick, seoor�decl }X Ms. Sherek, to receive the June 6, 1988,
Paxks & Recreation Crnmission mirnites. -
iJ1�N A VOICE VOr!'E, ALL VOTIl� AYE, c�tAr�p'F'R�N BE�QLD DECLARID THE NDTIDN
C�IRRIF� UNANIl�DUS[,Y.
7. RECEIVE JLTNE 9. 1988, fDUSIl� & RF�D�IIIOPN�Tr AV�I�RITY MIl�lUrES:
Nt7I'IDN by Mr. Barra, secorrled by l�is. Sherek,, to receive the June 9, 1988,
Housirx� & R,e�%velognent Authority mirnites.
U1�N A VOICE VOTE, Ai,I, VOTIl� AYE, CHA�E�90N BEZZpLD DECLARID THE NDTION
CARRIED UNANIlvDUSZ,Y.
8. RECEIVE JUNE 21, 1988, JOIl�1'I' E1Vi1IRU��ENPAL QUALITY/ENERGY COMMISSION
MIlVCFI`FS:
NDTIDN by Mr. Salaa, �r�ded by Nir. Dahlber,g, to receive the June 21, 1988,
Joirit Envizormental Q uality/Er�erc� � Cannission miuutes.
UEDN A VOIC� VOTE, Ai,i, VOTIl� AYE, �HAIl2PER90N gE�'Lp1,D DECC,ARID THE NDTION
C�.RRIFD UNANIl�DUSLY.
9. RECEIVE Ji]NE 28, 1988, APPEALS CDN�IISSIDN M:II�UTES:
NDTIDN by Mr. Barrs, se�or�,ed b�, N�-, Saba, to receive the June 28, 1988,
Appeals CcnIInission mirnites. -
UL�N A VOIC� VOTE, p,i,L VOTIl� AYE, Q�AIRPEgSpN gEI�LqLD DECLARID THE NDTIIJN
c�RUr�n �Il�DUSLY.
10. REC'E1VE J[JLY 19. 1988, APPEALS Q�NA�ISSIDN MIlVUTES:
NDTIDN by Mr. Barna,. seoor�ded }�, Ms. Shernk, t� rece�ve the July 19 , 19 8 8,
Appeals Caaanission mi�utes. -
UL�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, Q�AIRPER.qpN gE�qr,D DECLARID THE NDTION
CAR,R� UNANIl�DUS�Y.
11. OTHER BUS IlVFSS :
a. City Cauncil Upclate
Mr. Rc�bertson gave a�eport of the actions taken at the July 2 5 th Ci ty
Caur�cil meetir�g.
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M7I'IDN 1� Mr. Kor�drick, seoorided by Mr. Dahlberg, to adj ourn the meeting.
Upon a voice-vote, all voting aye, Cha�.rperson Betzold declared the July 27,
1988, Planning CaRmission meeting adjortirned at 11:08 p.m.
Respectfully sulamitted,
I�ru�e Saba
Rc:c�ordirr,� Secretaxy
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APPEALS DATE: August 2, 1988 (variance)
CITYOF PLANWNG COMMISSION DATE: august to, �9ss
FRlDLEY CITY COUNCIL DATE
REQUEST
PERMIT NUMBER
APPLICANT
PROPOSED REQUEST
LOCATION
SITE DATA
SIZE
DENSITY
PRESENT ZONING
ADJACENT LAND USES
PARK DEDICATION
ANALYSIS
FINANCIAL IMPUCATIONS
CONFORMANCE TO
ADOPTED LAND USE
COMPATIBIUTY WITH
ADJACENT USES 8� SERVIC
ENVIRONMENTAL
CONSIDERATIONS
STAFF RECOMMENDATION
APPEALS RECOMMENDATIOI
PLANNING COMMISSION
RECOMMENDATIO�
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FRlDLEY
PLANNING DIVISION
MEMORANDUM . _
�: Jock Rabertson. Cam�minity Develognent Director
Plannir�g Oa�mission Menbers
F'l�M: Rathlyn C�stle, Plannir�g Assistant
DATE: August 3, 1988
�Il�: Special Use Permit, SP #88-10, Thates Kallroos
B�ckgr�our�d
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The petitioner, Thomas Rallrnos, is requesting a special use permit be
granted to allow the construction of a third accessory building at 1466
Ornr,dayd Street N.E. This building would be used for storage of a boat,
bikes, snok�nobile, lawn furniture and mowers. Mr. Kallroos will also
relocate his wood hot�by shop fx�oan the house's basement to this accessozy
buildirig due to his family's allezgies.
Plaruiirx� CbnsideratiorLs
Ziie Appe�ls Co�►ission approved two variances which are related to this
request. These were:
1. 4b allaa the total floor area aF all accessory buildirx3s to e�aceed 1,400
square feet (1.868 equare feet).
2. Tb ir�crease the equare footage o� an accessozy buildir�g f ztm l, 000 square
feet to 1,196 square feet.
This proposal cloes mt violate any other zoning regulations in I�1, Single
Family Dwelling district.
RecaRmerr3ation
Staff reco�nerr3s approval of the special use permit with the follvwing
stipulations:
1. �is aecessoYy building is mt to be used for autcn�bile storage.
2. 4here is to be m ac;cess fzam the accessoxy buildir�g to Onorx3aga Street
� N. E.
3. The design of building is to be architecturally compatible with the
%ause.
RC/dn
Nt88-191
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I�tice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Cce�mission of the City of Fridley at the mNIl�iJNITY IDU(�,TZDN CII�TTER, 6085 -
7TH SrREET N.E. on Wednesday, August 10, 1988 at 7:30 p.m. for the purpose
of :
Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #88-10, by
Z��as Kallroos, per Section 205.07.01.C.1 of the Fridley
City Code, to allaa a thi�l accessoiy buildir� on Lot 22,
except the west 85 feet, Auditor's Subdivision No. 129,
the same being 1466 Omndaga Street N.E.
Any ar�d all persons desiring to be l�aard shall be given an apportunity at the
al�ove stated time and place.
DONALD BE'�IALD
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Pl�Ai�Il�TIlVG QJN�lI.SSIDN
Publish: July 27, 1988
August 3, 1988
At�y questions related to this itan may be refexred to the Fridley Caaanunity
Develo��ent Department, 571-3450.
SP ��88-10
Thomas Kallroos
City Council Members
Planning Commission Chair
Susanne Darsow
7395 Hayes Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
William Rankin
7385 Hayes Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Thomas Fanery
1465 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Bruce Sommer
7.420 Bacon Drive N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Westby
1467 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Doug Becklin
1405 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Hung B. Tran
C. V. Thwong
1425 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Danny Moon
7343 Hayes Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Keith Osland
7345 Hayes Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Arthur Seger
1401 - 73rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Thomas Kallroos
1466 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Planning 7/22f gg
Council
MAILING LIST
Leonard Hjort
1434 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Gary Reshetar
4707 Lyndale Avenue North
Minneapolis, MN 55430
Gary Reshetar
1441 - 73rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Steven Saba
1470 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Thomas Cebula
1461 - 73rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
George Hanson
1476 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Clarence Gunn
1475 - 73rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
James Hinrichs
7355 Hayes Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Kevin Ferdelman
7371 Hayes Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Francis Bourgeois
1483 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
John Leslie
1473 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Jerome Pietrini
1469 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Deryle Schliep
1482 Onondaga Street N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
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CALL ZO O�ER:
Chairperson Commers called the July 14, 1988, Housing & Redevelopment
Authority meeting to order at 7:12 p.m.
1�LL CAi�L:
Manbers Present: Lany Catmers, Virgini.a SchnabPl, Duar�e Prairie
John Meyer. Walter l�ismussen
Mecibers Absent: None
Others Present: Jock Robertson, bcecutive Director of HIZA
J9m Hi11, Acting City Marager
Julie Burt, Asst. Firsnce Officer
Samantha Ordum, Mar�agenent Assistant
Uave NeHatan. HRA Attorr�y
Jim C�sserly, 215 S. 11th Street, Suite 200, Mpls.
Dennis Rens, Superiritendent of Scht�ols
Gordon Sarx,�ster, School BoaYd - District 14
Lou & June Lur�dgren, 343 Kellogg B1vd. , St. Paul
Joe Qc�mers. The C,cnmers Cat�nY
Bruce Lur�dgren, Security Develolznent CorP.
Dewey Johnson. Securii.y Develognent Corp.
Bruce Peterson, Security Devela�roent Corp.
paul Stxother, 7520 Market Place Drive, E]d.en Prairie
Ken Bureau, Rosewood Corporation
Dave Et�ibson, 7545 Office Ridge Circle, Eiden Prairie
William Fogeriy, 12340 &idisson 1�1. , Blair�e
CheYyl Stinski, 1614 Berne Circle
Margery Fehling, 1314 Maiquette
Ron Christenson, Bossard.t Ct�rister�son
David Kroos, Boaanan & Associates
APP1mVAL OF JUl� 9, 1988, I�USIl� & RIDEVIIAPN�TP AUI�JJRITY MIl�IUI'FS:
NDTmN by Mr. l�snussen, sec:orr3ed Y� Ms. Schnabel, to approve the June 9,
1988, Housirig & Redevelagnent Authority miraites as written.
UPDN A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPIIZSON CDNY��lERS DE2� THE NDTIIJN
C�.•RRIED UNANIl�DUS[,Y.
1. TAX Il�TC� DISTRICTS/SCgDOL LFVg'.S:
Mr. Nc�anen stated he wanted to mte for the record that both he ar.�d Mr.
Prairie would rnt be participating in any discussion due tfl a conflict of
iritez�est.
Mr. lmbertson statec� thatc the 1988 session of the Legislature passed an
amer�dment to the tax law which essentially allows for a mechanism for school
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districts to r�c.ro�ver the ex�cess tax ir�crement in tax ir�cranent d.istricts if
the school district has raised its mill levy through a referer�dinn-after the
borr]s have been sold. Essentially, the purpose of that is at the time an
HRA sells bomis for a tax i��nent district, they pr�j ect aut the ir�crenent
using the present mill rate. If the school district then subsequently
raises the mill rate for other reasons, the ARA is essentially collecting
extra tax revernie they did mt ori.girally foresee they were going to get.
Therefore, if both the School Board and the City Council, through
rnsolution, agree to that refur�d, then that is possible. �e law is silent
on the timir�g of when that occurs. A conservative readirx,� of the law would
irrlicate that it would be an anr�ual type af refur�d.
Mr. Faabertson stated he has reviewed this and believes that the potential
exposure on this for the HRA would be samething in the neighborhood of
$100, 000-200, 000, deper�ding on which districts essenti.ally agreed with the
City Cour�il, ar�d the City Cour�cil had also agreed. The potential for the
school districts was as follows:
School District 11 - $ 10,000
Sch�ool District 13 - 33, 000
Sch�ool District 14 - 115,000
School District 16 - 43,000
Mr. Fbbertson stated the HRA had received a response he had requested f rcan
James O'Meara of Briggs & Morgan, the HRA bond attorney, dated July 13,
1988, in which Mr. 0'Meara had stated: ".. . sa�e care must be taken to avoid
impairirx,� the 'contract' that exists with the bond holders concerning the
pay�ent of the respective c�bligations frccn the tax increment. The limited
revemie mte would be af particular concern here, but care r�eeas to be taken
with the City's general obligation ta,x incrsnent issues as well."
Mr. RaUertson stated Mr. 0'Meara had also stated he would be hap� to assist
the City and the HRA in assembling ar�d reviewing that info=mation and
deteanining what obligations or p�ssibilities exist in this re�Yd.
Mr. Rabertson stated he had also talked with Julie Burt, Asst. Finance
Officer, ar�d she is in the pYOCess of directir�g about a one-month analysis
of the HRA's obligations on paying those bortis.
Dr. Denni.s Rens stated Mr. l�obertson had very clearly ar�d succinctly defined
the amerr7ment to the statute tl�at affects this issu�e. School District 14 is
approaching the HRA ar�d askir�g for the HRA's support as they approach the
CiLy Council on this issue. �e Sct�ool District wauld like to gain access
to those revernies, because it is important to the School District in terms
of the long rarige budget arrl in tenns of �intaining programs for students,
ar�d, hopefully, in imprwing progYams for students. Z�ic� are also cuYrently
involved in discussions with Sprir�g Lake Park arid Colianbia Heights arid St.
Anttiony in teans of how they might aeerge sane of their resources and do a
better job of praviding �tions for students. Z�ey have been through a two
year process in developing a study designed to allvw them to do that
effectively, a.nd they have mt been able to �mplement that study currently
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because of lack of fur�ding without negatively impacting prpgrams for
students. They also see accessir�g these funds as an opportunity to do that.
So, the� are nequestir�g the HRA's support because the School District feels
this has inanediate and some long range implications for the schools in
Fridlc�, as we11 as Spring Lak�e Park ar�d Coltanbi.a Height�.
Mr.� Caners asked what the timing was for the School District in approaching
the City Cour�cil with this requ,est.
Mr. l�abertson stated it was his reaction that they have to have the arslysis
clor�e before that timir�g can be set. The City Council will ask questions
abaut what the f irancial im�lications are, ar�d the staf f d�oes rnt have those
answers yet.
N1r. Gordon Sangster stated this levy applies only to the refererx7.um money
which was passed subsequent to the time the bor�ds were issued. It should be
pointed aut that the wY�ole school mill levy, particularly the part that is
state- i�osed, has contirnied to increase v�rer the years and the additional
revenues due to tha t are mt af f ected.
Mr. C�sserly stated the State Legislature has posed an additional problem
for the City, arrl that is the img�ct af eliminating homestead credits arncl
haw it is being pulled into local goverrnnent aids. What citi� are startirig
to fir�d is they Aey, in fact, have substantial deficiencies in tax ir�crenent
districts. He thought the Legislature was �ing to have to correct some of
these problems in the r�ext session.
Mr. F�abertson stated the HRA will pmba.bly need to retain the services of
Mr. O'Meara in oYder to do the ar�alysis, airl he would like authorization to
do- that.
Mr. Cce�mers stated it was the general concensus of the HRA to obtain the
services of Mr. O'Meara to proceed with the ar�alysis of the HRA's position
with this issue. Hopefully, thc-� will have more irlforniation by the rnxt HIZA
meeting ar�d will be able to arrive at sane kir�d of decision.
2. Q�NSIDERATItJN OF I�U LUI�IDGRII�T PR�FOSAL: Mr. Newman stated that at the last
meeting, the HRA authorized an additioral 30 day exterLSion on Mr. Lwx7.gren's
letter of credit. That extension was received in a timely fashion, and the
letter of credit has been exter�ded to July 26.
Mr. Lundgren stated he had a meeting corrfianed for Monday, July 18, at 10:00
a.m. in his office which will be attended by Bob O'Brian, President of
Centennial Mortgage, Teny Chuvala, Chief Ur�dexwriter, Mr. Jensen, President
of The Bank of Springfield, ar�d himself. He stated this was a meeting that
was pranised for last Tuesday, ar�d which he had been led to believe would
have been held a week prior to that. At this meeting, they will know the
rnunber that can be acccanplished u�r3er the first mortgage, and he believed
that within two days of July 18, they will be able to produce all the
fundi.� for the first phase. As far as he la�ew, they were rnt talkirx,� about
ar� different a deal than what has been previously discussed. He stated
things look good, but it is going to take tiaue.
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Mr. Me�er stated tt�at if tlze letter of credit expires on July 26, does this
n�ean the HRA has to have a�eci.al meeting? --
Mr. Newman stated that once Mr. Lurx3gren has a specif ic proposal put
together, it would be his recoa�►eridation that the HRA call a special
meeting. In light of the histozy of this proj ect, if there was to be
amther extension grarited, the HRA should look at what is being proposed,
rather than deferring it t�o staff.
Mr. Me�er stated he wauld be in favor of a special meeting, assiuning there
was some valid pxogress at the �eeting on Nbrr]ay with Centennial Mortgage.
Mr. Rd�ertson stated that staff had irr7.icated to the HRA pr�eviously that the
HRA mi�t want to meet jointly with the City Council on July 25 to review
the reccxcmer�dations from the architects and engir�eers on the plaza ramp
construction arrl civic center remodeling. Or, the HRA coud defer it to
their regular August 11 meeting. If they did wish to meet jointly with the
City Council on July 25, they could also take this matter up at that tsme.
Mr. Canners stated that if Mr. Luridgren d�oes make a proposal after the July
18th ntieeting, would staf f have enough time to analyz e thi s proposal to
detennine whether it v�ras fmsible for the HRA to consider on July 25, or
should they wait until the August meetir�?
Mr. N�n stated staff should be able to have an aralysis put together by
July 25. Staff shauld be able to give the HRA a general sense of what is
going on ar�d a general flavor of what is being proposed by July 25.
Mr. Prairie ar�l Ms. Schnabel stated they would rmt be able to attend a
special meeting on July 25.
Mr. Ca�mers stated thc� siwuld prob�ably get an extension on the letter of
credit past the August 11 meeting. If Mr. Lundgren has a fiYm proposal
before then, the HRA could address it on July 25th, but if there is no
quonan, it could be taken up at the August meeting.
Mr. Lundgren stated he had m problem in getting the letter of credit
exter�ded for amther 30 days, but he did mt warit to cause any m�re pxnblans
or add any m�re extra meetings than was r�ecessaYy; however, thegr are in a
time birid arrl expect to have sane inf ormation for the HRA af ter Monday' s
meeting.
Mr. Nev�man stated that f rom staf f' s perspective, he had a problan with
granting an automatic 30 day extension. Staff has r�t seen a�thing
different fn�n last month. �c� have already granted one extension. When
they set up the origiral 90 day period, they did so af ter talking to the
peaple fYtxn Centenni.al wlm were veiy adamant they could do this within the
�0 days, ar�d mw it has been granted an exter�ion for an additiorsl 30 days.
In light of wha� has trarLSpired with this pivject, it was his feeling they
slwuld be isnposing the gequirement to see something signif icant before
grantir�g amther e�xter�sion.
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Nir. Ccxm�rs stated he had m problen with tt�at, except the pro�bl�n that it
was possible there would mt be a qu�n�► of HI2A menbers on July 25, aryd he
did mt think they warited Mr. Lurrlgren's letter of credit called because of
a default of that ratu.r�e.
Mr. Prairie asked if they could give staff the authority' to grant an
extension if staff felt there were sufficient grounds to d� so.
Mr. N�n stated the HRA has dor�e that before, ar�d so they c�uld certainly
d�o �it again; but there sYiauld be sane qualiiyirr3 factor if staff is asked to
do it again. It is going to be a veiy i�rtant decision.
Mr. Rasmussen stated that if it was the HRA's intension to grant an
extension on Mr. Lundgren's letter of credit providing Mr. Lundgren's
proposal was feasible, then they should be able to grant that 30 day
extension mw, rather tl�an havir�g a speci.al. meeting.
Mr. N�nan stated that if the HRA was seriously considerirx,� granting amther
extension on the letter of credit, he would suggest they extend it until
August 15, sirice the HRP,' s rnxt meetir� was August 11.
� by Mr. Nleiier, secorided by Mr. Fasnussen, to 9rant an e�ctension on Mr.
Lundgren's letter of creclit to August 15. 1988.
UE�N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIl� AYE, Q�AIRPER90N mN�lERS DECLARID THE NDTmN
CARRIED UNANIl�DUS[,Y.
Mr. Catmers stated he would again caution Mr. Lurxigren that he cannot wait
until the last mirnite to get all this irifonnation to staf f ar�i then expect
staff to have it ar�lyzed for the HRA hy the August meeting. The HRA was
very reluctarit to exterrl this letter of credit ar� further.
3. Q�1�,SIDERP,TIDN OF RIDhVECDPT� P1�JECT AT 57TH & UNIVERSITY AVF.NUE:
Mr. Robertson stated the histoxy of this started about a year ago when the
HRA was c�nsidering the plans University Avenue Corridor Plan, and they
received a directive frcm the City Council to look at potential proj ects at
the gdt�aay to the City at the south err3 of the Corridor in the vicinity of
57th & Uni.versity. This spri.ng staff prepared a prelimirsYy rough estimate
of what the acquisition costs would be, and those costs were in the
neigYiborhood. of $750,000. That cost did not in�clude street and utility
improvenents. The HRA then directed staff to prepare estimates of what that
should be.
Mr. Imbertson stated tt�at in the m+eantime, the City received responses from
two different developers of their intense interest in the site; and in
consultation with Dave N�n, they told the developers it was the HRA's
policy that wh�re the HRA has site control, the HRA reviEw the pro�posals an1
pick the develaper. In the casetahere the developer bas site control, then
the HRA would deal. exclusively with tine deveia�er wlm lrzd site control ; for
iristar�ce, the S�rir�rook Apart=nents. Within a week of eacln other, they had
two cliffererit develapers, each with c�ptions on different �rcels. Staff has
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attenpted to be as fair as p�ssible in reviewing the proposals. The HRA
reviewed one pro�posal at t�ie Jun� meetirx,�, ar�l the other developer was at
this meeting to present their pnaposal.
Mr. lmbertson stated Mr. C`�asserly has done a firanci.al aralysis on both the
proposals.
Mr. Joe Catmers, The Catmers Car�ny, stated he was very happy to have all
si.x menbers of their develoFment t.�am at the meetir�g. He stated he was the
President arid avner af The Camners Canpany, a real estate and development
company, located. in Roseville, Minnesota. He stated he and the other
menbers of the development team would like to ocs�minicate t;o the HIZA the k�ey
issues they think are very pertinent regarding their proposal for the
redevelaFanent at 57th & University which they have termed "57th Place".
?s�clud.ed in their presentation were 9 itens:
(1) a short biographical sketch of the main maribers of the
develognent t.eam;
(2) actual plan ar�d specifications
(3) terant mix
(4) construction schedule
(5) canments on site aoquisition
(6) cxa�ments on the properiy aralysis
(7) catments on the profoana cost statenent
(8) catments on the pr�forn�a operating statenent
(9) fimncial ar�alysis
Mr. Joe Cat¢ners stated he would like to introduce the three prir�iples of
Security D�velopment Corporation, partners in this venture: Mr. Bruce
Lurrlgren, Senior Vice President; Mr. Dewey Johnson, Vice President; and
B n�ce Peterson, President ar�d Owr�er.
Mr. Bruce Lundgren stated Security Develc�ment Corporation was 12 y�rs old,
located in Eden Prairie. The purpose of their comgany was to develop
sho�pping centers, n�t only froan the grour�l up on vacant land, but also
redevelolanent work—redevelo�ne.nt work ir�cluding build.irx,�s which at on,e time
had been shoppir� centers or contix�e to be, but aging has caused them to
r�eed redevelognent, �nsion, updatirx�, etc. Amther was to participate in
takir�g mnretail buildings, occasionally industrial buildings, and doing
restoration ar�d occasiorsl historical register-type pr�-j ects.
Mr. Bnace Lur�dgren stated it was important to stress that their eXperience
has ir�cluded quite a fc-ir� projects that have i�olved a partnership between
the City ar�d the developer, at Ieast a joint venture of efforts--proj ects
tl�at have ir�cluded UDAG gran�ts, state grar�ts, tax ir�cremet programs. They
have done projects in Minn�polis (Ca1ln�oun Square) ; Grar�l Rapids; Detroit
Lakes: C�abrie3gea River Falls, Wisconsin; arxi Albert Lea. Z'hey have also
d�or� regular pr�j ects that entail takirx,� mnretail buildirx3s ar�d converting
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then to retail. They have dor�e these kir�ds of projects in Duluth, Red Wing
(St. James Hotel & Mall).
Mr. Bruce Lundgren stated they have a number of proj ects in process in
Iaurel Village, strip centers in Plymouth; Oakdale; Hudson, Wisconsin;
Forest Lake; Blaine and l�rth St. Paul.
Mr. Bruce Lur�dgren stated they were essenti.ally a f ive state company with
complete expertise in shopping centers. They were grateful for the
opportunity here in Fridley and would like to be part of Fridley's
redevelogteent.
Mr. Joe Cc�mers iritroduced his architect, Mr. Paul Strother, and Ken Bureau,
the construction manager, who was Principal and Owner of Rosewood
Corporation which aans Rasaaood Cbnstruction.
Mr. Joe Commers stated that regarding himself, he has been in the
construction busir�ess all his adult life; first as a subcontractor in a
family business supplying to major general contractors. Concurrently, he
has been investing and developing real estate, strip centers,
office/warehouses, ap�artments. He presently awned a retail center in
Bloami.ngton arrl in Roseville, ar�d had substantial real estate lzoldir�gs.
Mr. Paul Strother showed an aerial photo of the site. He descri.bed the
proposed corlfiguration af the site. He stated the sezvice n-�ad changes its
orientation to go araurr3 the site, �intaini.ng the existing residential to
the mst, Holiday to the r�orth, ar�d they have oriented the shopping center
such t1�at the traffic arrl parkirig activity was all oriented to University
Averioue arrl 57th. The lesser active portions of the property are toward the
residential site. They are further screening the pivj ect on the residential
side with beunirig arrl larriscaping.
Mr. Strother stated one of the criteri.a they had to work with vTas Rapid Oil
C�ange wanted to stay on the site, ar�d so they ir�tegrated that fw�ction into
the retail center arrl located then adjacent to 57th Avenue. Traffic will
enter the proj ect off 57th Avenue, and the Rapid Oil activity will be
confir�ed to one er�d with the retail off to the mrth.
Mr. Strother stated t��at in their discussions with the City, there was an
interest on the part of the Cii.y to maintain a more daantanrn appearance or a
ux�re vertical appearar�ce. Zb achieve tY�at, they have added sane verticality
in sane instar�ces. He stated the buildir� has develaped facades, both front
and rear, so it wi.11 look good f�n all sides. They have raised the parapet
in a variety of locations for interest, but it vras raised throughout so the
av�c,hanical equignent was screened f rom the road ar�3 the neighbors to the
rear.
Mr. Strother stated part of the street scape that is being develaped for the
University Avenue Corridor was a lighting system, and they will be
iritegrating �at lighti�g systsn within the pmj ect.
Mr. Meyer asked if there v�ras emugh parkir�g for the project.
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Mr. Strother stated they have been able to meet City Code in all instances,
so there are r� variances requested. According to City Code; they are
required to have 129 stalls, ar�d 129 stalls are beirx,� provided. �- They f eel
this parking is vexy adequate.
Mr. Bruce Lur�dgrnn stated the way the center is laid out, they have a 6 car
per 1,000 sq. ft. ratio. The Urban Lar�d Institute that compiled a parking
study about three years ago �ner�ds as low as 4 cars per 1, 000 sq. ft.
for centers of this type. They are providir�g at lmst 2 cars per 1, 000 sq.
ft. above trlat. Most centers they are building today are 5 cars per 1, 000
sq. ft. with 9 ft. wide parking stalls. The City of Fridlc-� is requirir�g 10
ft, stalls arrl 6 cars per 1,000 sq. ft., so they were above arrl beyond what
is mnnally required for a retail center.
Mr. Bzuce Lundgren stated his specialty was in retail leasing which he has
been doing for about 11 years on all types of centers. Lately, they have
been doing a lot af small specialty centers. Strip centers are so much
different today than they were in the 1960's, so they have to accentuate the
terant mix arnl bring in a quality tenant envirornnent along with quality
design.
Mr. Bruce Lundgrnn stated tY�at in this pivj ect, they are ir�corporatirx3 Fapid
Oil on the south end of the site, and on the north end they are
incorporating a°family style" restaurant (3,500-4, 000 sq. ft. ). The
balance of the s�haps will be of varied uses. He stated he has mt been out
lmsing at this point, but they c�o have the capability irrhouse to do the
job. He believed they have the largest staff for shopping centers in
Minnesota. They feel confident about the leasability of the proj ect, ar�d it
will be a quality leasing job. The uses will in�clude pri.marily retail,
restaurant, sane office arrl sezvice type busir�esses.
Mr. Bruce Lurr3gren stated one of tehe concerns by city staff was if they
could incorporate F�pid Oil into a retail shopping center. He stated they
feel it can be dor�e, because they have had experier�ce in doing that in 3-4
locations. As well, Rapid Oil (otivned by Ashland Oil) has had similar
experiences in other mici�vest areas. He stated Mr. Johnson has lmsed three
different buildings with retail r�ext to Rapid Oil.
Mr. Dewey Johnson stated they have had the good fortwwr�ee of beir�g the l�sing
representative for the owr�er of Rapid Oi1 arr3 have leased with good success
r�ext to Rapid �i1. So�ne locations where this was done were in Highland
Park, Broo�klyn Fark, ar�d Maplavood. He stated he had pictures showing these
locations. -
Mr. Joe Commers stated they feel very confident that they can start
construction on Apri1 1, 1989, arxi complete the project by Oct. 1, 1989,
with the idea that this s�u�¢ner and fall would be for complete site
aoquisition and time for location of the street arrl public utilities.
Mr. Joe Ca�mers stated that rega�iing site aoquisition, he had the following
key dates and infoanation:
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Fd�. 9, 1988: Met with Mr. Robertson ar�d Mr. Robinson_when they
expressed that the HRA was interested in upgrading
57th/University ar�d the University Avenue Corridor. He
was t;old if he was iriterested in the developqnent to go
ahead ar�d mwe aggressively on the options to purchase
the subj ect �rcels. At that t,i.me, he ar�d Mr. Luridgren
aggressively pursued the aaners toward site ac�quisition.
He was also told by City Staff that they wanted to
max:imize the site ar�d provide sane ped.estrian amenities.
Nbr. 25, 1988: He was told by staff (Mr. Jim Robinson) that the three
- things they were going to evaluate was site control,
quality of the develognent, ar�d what the developer was
willing to pay for the site. At that tiune, another
develoer had entered the process.
Apri1 5, 1988: Mr. Rabertson told Mr. Lundgren that the HRA was ready
to move ahead with a substantial write-dawn on the
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NL�y 10, 1988: He sent a letter to Mr. 1�ibirLSOn ir�orming him of their
canpleted arrl sig�r�ed first option to purchase the old
Fapid Oil site. This was the first successful option to
purchase of the subj ect property af ter 5 weeks of
negotiation with attorneys of Ashlarxi Oil in Tulsa.
Oklahana.
Jur�e 26, 1988: They acquired the option to purchase the Rainko and
I�cera Schuur property at 5755 University Avenue, which
was the secor�d largest garcel in the total complex of
prc�perty. This gave them 67� of the total parceTs of
the lar�d, ar�d the only parcels t��at ranain at this time
are three emall lots, and one dupl ex which is al ready
for sale on the uarket. This also �ve then the control
of the f�ntage of both University ar�d 57th Avernies.
Mr. Joe CaYaners reviewed the pro�erty aralysis.
Mr. Bruce Lurrlgren reviewed the prof ozma cos t sta tement arid the prof orma
operating statenent. He stated the profornna c:ost statement vaas to shaw the
HRA the way they look at the project from a cost point of vi�v arrl why they
think their price for the land was as much as they can afford based on
caRmon cost for putting together this type of develo�nent.
Mr. Joe �rs stated they l�ave esti�ted the cost of the retail center to
be $1,550,000, ar�d they will pick up $350,000; tlie City's p�rtion estimated
at $355, 000 of lar�d �ari�eclawn. The City wi11 be responsible for relocation
of all utilities on the site, - rnlocation of the f rontage road, resnaval of
all buildngs on the site, ar�d warranting that the pxopertY is free ar�d clear
of any soil contamiration, being responsible for re�rooving or cozrccting any
soil contamiration problens.
Mr. Joe C�mmers stated they estimate new taxes on the property to be
g�mximatp1y $2.75/sq. ft. or $52,212.50 anrn�ally. The r�et gain arrl/or tax
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ir�cranent wou7.d be $40,775.57 based on 1988 tax,es payable of 512,436.93 for
the current properiy owriers. They have suggested that public impravenents
mt be ir�cluded in that tax ir�crenent to be firanced by this project. They
are suggestir�g that it be funded s�ne other way, separate from the land
vvri.tedavn. •
Mr. Joe Catsners stated tt�at on July 1, the day he handed the praposal t� Mr.
Robertson, Mr. Robertson told him that the city er�gir�eers had come up with
sane estimates for street improvenents of $54, 000, the shallow water loop
would be 525, 000, ar�d the sanitary s�n�er would be $75, 000--for a total of
$154, 000 high ar�d $75, 000 low.
Mr. Joe Qat¢ners stated they si�ly canmt afford a tax assessnent based on
the fact that they are already payi� $2.75/sq. ft. for taxes. That would
be at the high erid, and they cannot burden their retailers any further
withaut causir�g severe haYdships.
Nlr. Joe Ccnmers stated that, in s�zy, they suggest the City go ahead with
this proj ect with the ass�unption that this corner is of a high priority, ar�d
that the City will have to make a co�r�nitrnent to c10 this proj ect. The City
was paying sa�e moriey r�ow for the street relocation arrl public improvments,
but they are going to �rove that wl�le corridor. They believe this corner
is �ing to set the tone for the whole Uni.versity Avenue Corridor along that
cast side.
Mr. Joe Co�ners stated they have done their work and have been vexy
camni.tted to this proj ect ar�d to making this proj ect happen. They no�v
really have what the City needs ar�d wants. They control 67� of the total
�ckage arrl can go faster because of what �they control. They are looking
fozward to working with the HRA arrl with staff as they pursue this mutually
ber�ef icial proj ect.
1�'• Mc�er asl�ed how Mr. Catmers felt about having Rapid Oil in the proj ect.
Mr. Joe C.a�mers stated that, as pointed aut ?X Mr. Lur�dgren, they feel vezy
confident that t,hey can incorporate Rapid Oil into an upscale retail
develognent. i?apid Oil has made money on this corner, and they value this
corner veiy -high].y. Tlie only way they could really approach a developanent
on this corner was- to ir�corp�rate Fapid Oi1 irito the pro;j ect. They did not
see th�t as a neyative, but as a plus.
Mr. Meyer asked if ariy kind of market study was needed to predict the
success of this develc�nent.
Mr. Bnice Lur�dgren stated thc� have dor�e scme prelimi��, site studies and
have been famil3ar with this site for same time. Iie thought the main issue
they were lookirx� at on University Ave�ue was the access. With good access,
their strength ar�d viability as a retailer was enhariced. 7�iis site has both
access arrl vis�bility. They have done a market run on the trade area and a
camputer pr�file, and-they feel cor�'ident this site will produce a quality
retail �.x. aa�d t-heY also feel st�rigly about the leasability of the site.
It is a c,�ood retail site.
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Mr. Jim Casserly stated he had tried to apprnach this as a problen of what
the total costs will be to the HRA. He was mt passing on the merits of ar�
pxvposal t his mission was to firrl out what it costs to do the proj ect. He
stat.ed he thought tbat alm�st any pzvposal for this site was r�ot going to
pay for itself in ter�ns of what the total eost is goir�g to be for the HRA.
The reason for this is a real honest redevelopment proj ect. Because of
triat, they already have existing structures on the site, and that means
there is alre,ady a tax base. The way the tax ir�crenent works, they f re� e
the base so when they r�anove the existing structures arid put something new
on the site, the first part that is put on riaa goes to just make up for wha.t
they already had there, so they only get the additional part of the
increneat. As they work with tougher ar�d tougher sites to redevelop, this
pn�blen becanes irore difficult, because with a redevelopment, they already
have an existing base, and they always have the increased cost of
aoquisition (relocation, de�lition, arx3 the costs of getting rid of the
buildings thenselve.$) . So, the problen had mtlnir� to d4 with the p�posals
beincr vresented, but a prablsn with redeveloument. It was an HRA problem,
mt a developer pzn�lem.
Mr. Casserly stated staff inet with both developers separately because they
wanted to find out what they felt they could really pay for the praperty ar�d
what kind of taxes could really be supported.. In his judgement, both
develoers were being vexy, very accurate. They are 8 cents apart in what
they think the leasees can afford to pay, ar�d theY are reasonably close on
what they think the market value of the site is. However, the most
importarit thing to mte was that r�either developnerit, even if th� take 13
ymrs of tax ir�cranents, would have emugh to be a self-supportir�g activity
on this sit�. The HRA has to pti.t sanethirig additioral irito the site to make
it work. -
Mr. C�sserly revi�ed the public aosts for both Winf ield Develognent ar�d The
CYmmers Ccmpany/Security Develognent Corporation proposals.
Mr. Bill Fogerty asked if there was any analyzation of both proposals,
be�ause he ]a�ew that Wir�field Develognent would accept $154, 000 -$175, 000
in speci.al assessments to the pYOperty. That was the base starting price
for th�. He stated their uses f or th� property were dif f erent f r�n the
other developer in tt�at they would have irore pr�fessional-type uses. Their
arrhor terant is a bank, ar�d they have a finn ccnmitznent for the bank. Th�
are also willing to put up a letter of cre3it to start the project.
Mr. Joe Ca�aners stated that with the Winfield proposa.l or analysis, the
costs wauld be substantially higher because of relocation costs and the
lawsuits would be several hur�dred dollars on the �rt of Ashlanl Oil. lhpid
Oil values the site vezy highly airl are not willir� sellers. He stated they
have m relocation costs on the �j or parcels they contxnl.
Mr. Joe Comm�ers asked what the scenario would be if they just put the
writedawn in there a� left the city improvements out to be funded
elsewhere.
Mr. Casserly stated if they pull $150, 000 aut o�f this, they would pull out
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amther $150, 000 arrl probably amther $50, 000 after that, so th�y would be
reducing this by a good $350,000. --
Mr. Joe � stated he thou�t it would be much more attractive to the
HRA if the City improvelnents were funcled either through the City or
elsewhere.
Mr. Mc�er stated t��at at the last joint City Couricil/HIZA joint �eeting, the
City Council stated t'hat even such things as maintenance of HRA proj ects
wauld have to be furrled with HRA fur�ds. This included the beautif ication of
University Avernie Corridor.
Mr. Joe Ca�ners stated if there were other funds, they would suggest that
for a successful develagnent, the City i�rovements be dealt with in amther
iranrnr, other than puttirig the buxden on this pYOj ect.
Mr. Meyer stated he ur�derstood Mr. Ca�ers' point, but j ust wanted him to
kt�ow what the City Council had said.
Mr. Robertson stated that bccause of this situation, staff did r�t want to
get too far ah�d until they get sane reaction frcen the HRA as to whether
the HRA wished to praceed rww that they have a much more sophisticated
financial aralysis of the type of subsidy this project was going to require.
Mr. Larry Commers stated that if the HRA paid $150, 000 for site
improvanents, would they be reducing the overall additional revenue they
would �atmit b� $300, 000-400, 000?
Mr. C�sserly stated that was con�ect.
Mr. Bill Fogerty, Winf ield Development Corp. , stated he had seen the
shortfall, ar�d he ]�a what the HRA has to go through to deal with that
shortfall. He stated they would like to c�o this proj ect; and if they had
sane assurance fn�an the HRA to do that, they would work their vwn numbers
arrl work it at "0". Because of the i.ype of building they would be doing,
they could � the interral as well as t�ie improvenents. The� had rn problen
with the 5150, 000-175, 000.
Mr. Nlc�ier asked if the Planning C.atrtnission could be involved in this. Cbuld
they get sa�e ir�put or feecIl�ack frcm the Planning Commission on these two
proposals?
Mr. Lany Catmers stated the HRA has r�ever follanied the process of involving
the Planning Ctatmission before, but they certainly could c7o that.
Mr. N�nnan stated before they could go through that process ar�d get any
me�ningful ir�put fYOm the Plannirx,� Ca�¢nission, the HRA must first prwide
scx� parameters to staff arrl the develo�rs as to what assistar�ce the HRA is
wi11 ir�g to provide.
Ms. Schrsb�I state3 the HRA has always acted ir�dependently of the City or
the other a�missions. She v�ras mt so concerned about getting the Planning
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�mission involved, but Yber �r�cem at this point was the fact t�at the HRA
has mt faced an issue like this where they are being asked to put up to
one- thizd of the money into the proj ect. She thought Mr. Casserly was
crorrect in saying this was a whole �v thir�g for the HRA ar�d it was total
redevela�xnent, which the HRA has mt really participated in before. She did
mt kr�ow the parameters or starr7ards we11 enough to feel comfortable with
say ing what the HRA' s invesbment should be. She f el t there were too many
ursnswered questions that the HRA, philosophically, has mt decided, let
alone actually maki.ng a c�acmitment like this for this kir�d of ironey. Beyor�d
that, how does making that cce�utrnent affect the HRA dollar-wise in their
total a�unt of iro�ey already pledged to spe�. on certain proj ects? The
City Council has said the HRA will be fur�ding maintersnce, so where is the
erxi to the HRA' s oamu.tment? She j ust f el t there were a lot af thi ngs tha t
needed to be detennir�ed that have mt been discussed previously.
Mr. Ken Bureau, Rosewood Corporation, stated he has worked with cities
arourid the Twin Cities area, and a good example was Bloomington.
Bloanington has always had the philosophy that the main roads c�aning into
the city should have �jor buildings at the intersections, so people know
they are coming into Blooanington. He thought the one thing University
Avernie lacked was any definition t1Tat people are canirx3 into Fridley. This
corner will cost a�re because of relocation of the mad, but then there is
irore property down the Corridor tl�at will mt cost as much to develop. If
they are ever going to d�o ar�thing with University Avernue, the HRA is going
to have to start with this end. He could not think of a developer that
would g� irlto the middle of the block without something starting at this
southern er�d.
Mr. Meyer asked if there was an wexall develo�►ent plan for the City.
Mr. Rabertson stated the City has a Ccunprehensive Plan which ca.11s for a
carmercial develo�n� iia this area at this iritersection. When they first
got this indication from �.he City Council, staff did so�ne schematics
alterratives. The lav scale alternative was to retain the street and
utilties arrl just develop the parcels about half the size that was split by
the frontage mad. There was a med.i.iun scale alterrative which encompassed
the asse�obly aa�ot rerouting of the street and utilities; and a more
canprehensive scale altermtive involved �re parcels. Staf f reviewed the
alternatives with Planning Ca�anission, City Council, arxi HRA last winter,
ar�d it was the cor�census to go with the meditun alternative i.n sah�natic, so
that has been the policy direction up to now.
Mr. Casserly stated the HRA has to decide if they are will ing to put
s�thi� ir�to the praj ect aside fran the tax i�renent. They do not have
to decide Y�ow imLCh, but they have to first make the decision; otherwise,
they really do a�t a�eed to sper�d any irore ti�e on this. He stated this is a
redevela� gioblen. Both these developers have sperit a lot af time, ar�d
maybe the HRA would like to see what sane o� the develapers' other proj ects
are like. Maybe they can select a redevel�er ar�d suggest tbat there be an
e�aclusive anange�ent with the red�v�e�er for a period of ti.me, a-n tt�at the
HIZA would be willizig to use their corr7.enration authority to get the highest
quality project an the site. Also, h+e thaught it would be worthwhile for
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the City to have someone do a little aralysis of what the condemnation of
that property will entail. That might help the HRA have a little better
har�dle on what their camutnient might be. It might be so far out of line
that it is rnt worth oonsidering. This is alvTays a big problen when a body
is txying to select a develaper based on the quality of the project; and
yet, �ybe sane developers are starting with different asstanptions. He was
suggestirx� the HRA was going to have to decide if it was worth putting
something into the project and whether they were willing to use
cor�denr�ation, to select a redevelaper ar�d give that redeveloper a period of
time to come back with a proj ect, based on the guidelines the HRA has
provided.
Ms. Schrabel stated this was a real valid suggestion, ar�d she wauld like to
see those f igures. She stated she would 1 ike to see a prof orma f rom
WinEield Developnent arrl sane of t,hese condemnation figures for the n,ext
meetirx3 so they can start mwing ahead.
Mr. Fogeriy stated they r�eed some guiclel,ines on what the City p�rticipation
will be airl whether they warit l�pid Oil in or out of the proj ect, because
they could mt bring n a bank next to Rapid Oil.
Mr• Lany Carmers stated the level of assistance is going to dictate the
t]'g�e of building they can be put up, the type of terants they are going to
get, and the type of ir� they are going to gernrate.
Mr. Rasmussen sta.ted the HRA has to decide philosophically what type of
develo�anent thEy want on this �rner.
Mr. Ro�ertson asked the FiRA if they were philosophically comfortable with
mwirx� irito this whole redevelo�nent mode and were willing to create a
negative tax ir�crenent d.istrict in order to get this level of develagnerit.
NiY'• LarrY Ca�¢rners stated he would be agreeable to that concept.
Mr. Meyer stated he was in favor of sane deficit firar�cing to develop this
corner. He thought Mr. Bureau had made an excellent point that no matter
which develapnent is picked, this develo�rnent can be the "key" to the larx3
that runs to the north, ar� in a real sense is useful °seed money" to
er�couzage the first lir�e develognent of the area. That, plus their previous
willirbgr�ess to sperrl mor�ey for other things for the enY�ancenent of the City,
means they should agree in principle to be willir� to do deficit firancir�g.
Mr. Prairie stated they were talking about a rea.l heavy involveqnent in a
s�ll ar�, arid the percentage of ironey here for develognent was the highest
it Yas ever been.
Mr'• Lar�Y �r's stated they also have to be vexy careful about setting a
Precedent.
Ms. Schrabel stated she v+�nted to point out that s�vezal y�rs ago when this
was origirally discussed with the City Council about setting the to� of the
City and creating s�nething attractive that tells people this is the
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entrar�ce to Fridlc�, the initial location was where the Valet Nbtor lot was.
She agreed at that time to tt�at location because that was m�re visible froan
the freeway. She was rn�t so sure 57th/UniversiLy had quite the same
visibility or r�ecessarily set the tor�e for the City as the first location
does; however, they have also talked a long tiaie about relocating the
sexvice rnad on this particular piece of praperty.
Ms. Schnabel stated she did have a prnblem with the clollar amounts that have
been discussed at this meeting. If they are just going to talk about a
def icit district to create sane- impetus for sanething el se to happen along
the Corridor, that was one thing; but she felt she must warn the other
menbers of the HRA tt�at at this point she was rbot pregared. to support the
kirrl of ar�ney being discussed. There were too many other develo2anents alor�g
t'hat whole area tl�at are coming up, a�d they are going to need to sper�l
m��y on mch one. 5he realized this area was mt going to develop on its
own; it will take the HRA to get it going, but mt to the �tent of the
dollar amaunts mentioned at this meeting.
Mr. Lany Catmers stated he would echo Ms. Sctuabel's cattanents. He had no
opposition to some deficit financing as far as the concept arxi mwing
foYwaYd, but the level of dollars will have to be a maj or factor. He was
preeg�red. to vote in favor of puttir�g mor�ey into a p�vject on the basis that
they mi�it mt recaver all the m�� .
Mr. Ne�msn made the follaaing sugclestions to the HI�A:
1. to decide whether or mt the HRA is willing to consider sane
i.ype of deficient fi.uar�cing deperrlent on the quality of the
develcfgnent;
2. to direct staff to further explore ar�d =�efine the cost of the
aoquisition of the parcels;
3. t�o verify with each developer the catmi.tments they have
� proj e�teci;
4. to review with each developer what their plar�s arrl car�cepts
�- would be with or without the ber�ef it af corxienration.
Mr. Newman asked if the HRA m�nbers were comfortable with the above
suggestions.
Mr. Lany Catmers stated he felt the HRA has said 'jies".
Mr. Prairie stated he was reluctant to say '��s" when he did mt really ]�ow
what these meant.
Mr. Casserly stated it also gives Th�e Ca►4ners Ca�panY/Security DeveloFenent
Cbrporation the ber,efit in thinking in teans of other tersnts, if they think
that is a p�ssibility. In the u�eanti.me, the City can explore the costs of
cor�denrstion on this sste. The theoxy behir�d this is that both developers
shoa�ld � s�tarti� with the same assianptior�s. This has been the HRA's first
experier�ce with this type of activity, an� they wauld like eveiyone to have
the same app�rtunity.
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Mr. Larzy Caraners asked staff to oontact N�errill Ly�h Realty to check into
th� listed market values for the properties for sale north-of the old
Z�ntigo, plus the old Z�nti� building. :
Mr. Casserly stated they would have the infoanation requested by the HRA
available for the rnxt meeting.
Chairperson Ca�rs declared a 10 mi.rnite recess at 10:05 p.m.
Chaiiperson Ca�rs reconvened the meetirig at 10:15 p.m.
3. Q�1�ISIDERATIDN OF PL�,ZA RAMp CpN5T18JCI'IDN P.I�ID Q�NSIDERATION OF�THE SPECIAL
� HRP, MEE,TIl�:
Mr. C�mers asked Ms. Schnabel to update the HRA members as far as what
happened. at the last j oint City Cour�cil/HI?A meetirx,� reganiing mair�ter�ar�ce of
HiiA proj ects.
Ms. Sctux�b�l stated the City Council has pretty much told the HRA there will
be no funds with which to rep�air or maintain HRA proj ects. They are
reluctant to raise the mi11 rate, ar�d they are reluctant to raise taxes.
They are in a f irancial bird thenselves ard� f eel the proj ects the HRA ha s
been asked to explore ar�d furrl are also proj ects the HRA wauld have to take
on as an ongoing commitment. The bottom line, on the parking ramp for
ir�star�ce, was the HRA was g�ir�g to totally furrl the building ar�d completion
of the parking ramp, and they were prabably also going to be assessed in the
future for their share of the lighting costs, sr�ow rarioval, etc.
Mr. Prairie stated the City Council had talked primarily about the
University Aveaue Corridor.
Ms. Schrnbel stated the City Cour�cil warlts the HRA to establish a trust furrl
to be used for n�einterar�ce.
Mr. Qanners stated this subj ect should be placed on an ager�da as soon as
possible for discussion. The HRA r�eec7s to have scme estimates on what each
of their projects is going t� cost in tenns of maintenance, and they are
going to have to look at th�se proj ects they have a�nitted to, wi11 have to
r�eximine future p�j ects. Staff is going to have to work up same n�nbers
for then.
Mr. Fmbertson stated one of the conclusions that was hinted at the joint
HRA/City Council meeting was that there are different types of projects that
will have trener�dously different percentages of maintenance; for instance,
the Corridor which wi11 have a lot of lar�dscaping, a lot of labor intensive
work, as apposed to the �rkinq ramp which, Will probably have very little
mairiterance.
Ms. Schrebel stated a lot of discussion was about the lighting. It was mpre
or less staff's decision to do the lighting, the Council agreed. to the
lighti�, but mw the HRA will have to pay for it. Ar�d, the HIZA might have
to pay for the electricity besides. Insurance on the ramp was ar�ther thing
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that shauld be d.iscussed.
Mr. Clarnners stated it was never the understar�ding that the HRA would be
involved in the operation of projects. Is the HRA goir�g to be assessed for
maintenance of the Lake Pbinte site? What about capital imprrn�eqnents for
the Lake Pointe site? Sane rn.anbers are goirx3 to have to be put together for
the HRA to examine so they can make scxne decisions. These rnuctibers could be
big arx� mi�t, in fact, im�act their ability to do other pr�jects.
Ms. Schr�abel stated the HRA might mt be able to afford to do the 57th Place
pmj ect because of other pxpenses cani.ng up on other proj ects.
Ms. Schrabel stated she has alv�rays said fran the vexy beginning that there
was goirig to be mainter�ar�ce on these proj ects-�what was it goirx3 to cost ar�d
who was going to do it? Al`nrays, the assimnption was that the City was going
to do it.
Mr. Co�ners asked staff to prepare this infornnation for the HRA on a
pr�j ect by-proj ect basis.
Mr. Robertson stated he wanted the architect/engineer arid the construction
mar�ager to be present to present the first cut on what the bids are for the
plaza ramp arrl answer any c�westions the HRA might have. Then, he would like
the HRP, to discuss how they would like to ac7minister this contract. If they
decide to proceed with it, ar�d when th�y want to make the decisiorr-at a
joint meeting with the City Council on July 25 or defer it to August 11.
Mr. RQbertson stated the total budget estimate based on the bids was
$784,554. That was signi.ficantly under the earnnarked budget of $1, 000, 000.
He would l�Jce to point o�ut two things:
(1) Part af the $1.000, 000 was a sigrage allowar�ce, ar�d he believed
it was between $15,000-20,000. That is mt ir�cluded because in
ozder to expedite the progress, the architects have mt yet
desigi�ed the sigrage, ar�d that can be adcled later;
(2) It c3�es mt ir�clude sane repair work ar�d sane changes to the
plaza area itself. This was origirally assianed to be �.rt of
the civic center budget. Sir�ce the HRA is well iu�der budget,
arrl the plaza r�pair work will meet the criteria for tax
ir�crenent firancing, would the HRA consider inclw3ir�g the
repairs to the plaza as part of the parking ramp scoPe
of work?
Mr. l�n Christenson stated the I�tA had received a cop� af a letter addressed
to-�N1r. laobertson fYan hi.mself dated July 14, 1988, along with a copy of
"F�chibit A. Low Bid Simsnaxy - Parking RamP"• He had the low bidders for the
civic center break aut their pri.ces for the-parkir�g ramp ar�d these were the
rnutrbers.
Mr. Me1rer questioned Spec Section 05210 for Steel Joists in the amount of
$8;900 for the parkirx,� ramp. If theY do rnt have any steel joists in the
ramp, why was it on the low �bid s�xy? Also, maYbe there should be some
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exploration as to why the erection cost for Stn�ctu=al Metal Framing (Spec
Section 05100) was so hi�i at a cost of $15, 000 for perhaps a very �11
am�aunt of structural. steel.
Mr. C�ristenson stated Mr. Me�er was correct, ar�d the steP1 joists shQUld be
deleted. He stated they have identified the legitimate law bidders on this
particuiar proj ect, but th�y still have to go through the qual if ication
process.
Mr. Meyer asked what re�ir work were they talkir�g abaut for the plaza.
Mr. David ICYOOS of Boannan & Associates stated it was primar�ly the cutting
ami pat�hing around the building for construction puYposes, the relocation
of lighting, planting aree:s, sigrage, ar�d a lot aF sna7.1 itens all basically
for the plaza.
Mr. Meyer stated the HRA is being asked. to help pay for the rngairs to the
plaza, but he thought they needed to knaw a little bit more about the
dollars. He was rnt apposed to the HRA agreeing to those itens, as long as
they kmw what things are c:cenir�g arrl that it will be urr3er bid.
Ms. Schnabel stated that based on the comments made at the joint City
Cow�cil/HI?A meetir�g, had there been any reolesign of the �rking ramp exits?
Mr. Kroos stated the exi.ts were discussed, along with the painting of the
interior of the r�unp, arrl putting in a sourrl systen. Those items were not
ir,corporated. into the design because of a ti.me prablen of when the bids were
supposed to be in.
Ms. Schnabel stated there was some real concern expressed by the City
Council about the access to the lower part of the ramp, its accessibility to
the office building, and the legality of using tax increment financing
because there was a concern as to whether or mt the ramp, in ef f ect, has
access only to City Hall arrl is mt accessible to the affice build.ing. As a
resul t of tha t, there was the cor�cern of whether or mt i t i s a 1 egi tima te
use of tax incr�►erit firanci�, because then the ramp might not meet the
criteria.
Mr. Q�mers asked who was going to har�d7.e the legalities of this issue.
Mr. Robertson stated as soon as Mr. Jim O'Meara sent staff the sunanary of
the 1988 legislation, he flagged this question ar�l consulted Mr. O'Meara.
It was shortly before the joint City Council/F�iA meeting. Iie described the
proj ect to him arrl the provisions �de for access to both buildings. Mr.
O'N1�ra was ccmfortable that this fit the intent of the legislation. At the
joint City Council/HRA �meeting, questions of the access to the office
building were raised. It was his judgenent that any details like whether
the door c�ened in or out could be changed without stopping the bidding
process for any redesign arrl sti11 meet the state criteria. There was no
prAblem with this acco�3ing to Nir. O'Meara, their bond counsel.
Mr. Qa�aners stated that if this was true, then Mr. O'Meara should put that
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in writing to give the HRA scme oamfort.
Mr. Robertson stated. the City Council was scheduled to take action on
awardirx,� all civic ceriter contracts on July 25. At tt�at same time, the HRA
could review and approve the plans for the constn�ction of the plaza ramp.
The HRA menbers were in agreenent with meetirig jointly with the City Cour�cil
on July 25; however, Mr. Prairie a� Ms. Schrabel would be ursble to atter�d.
Mr. Robertson stated the other issue that the HRA must decide on was how
they wished to administer this contract (agerx7a page 3). Those options
were:
(1) to delegate all authority for contract ac�mi.nistration to the
C.ity Cotu�cil t
(2 ) to use the City as an agent to admini.ster the contracts for
the architect ar�d construction marr�ger. (The HRA would approve
all charx�e orders. This provides the HRA with control a�er
�tters that could affect delays a� cost werruns.)
(3) to administer all contracts--the construction mar�ager an1
the archi.tect. (This would r�ecessitate more HIZA meetings to
acldress the ti�ely resolution of contract matters and oould
also result in the replication of activities with the City
�ntracts.)
NDTIDN by Ms. Schrr�b�l, secorrled bY Mr'• Mei�er, to adapt option #2 regarding
ac'�ninistration of plaza ramp contrac�s: "The HRA to use the City as an
agent to achninister the contracts for the architect ar�d construction
marsger. "
UEON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE. Q�AIRPER901�1 �NA�� DECLARED THE N.DTmN
C�RR� U1�TIl�DUSLY.
` 4. OJNSIDERATIDN OF RIDhVIIAPMEI�TI' P1a�SAL F1�M C��RYL STIlQSKI:
Mr. Robertson stated Ms. StirLSki d�oes mt have a fornnal proposal prepared
yet. At the July 11th City Council meeting, he had told Ms. Stinski she
stiil had to solve the �rkir�g prablen with her maj or tenant. One of Ms.
Stinski's options in solving the parking p�len was to get a cross �senent
with the a�rtznent ccmplex to the mrth. Staff was directed by the City
Oouncil to check i�o the apartmerit cam�plex's present parkir�g situation arbd
see if the a�rtznent complex had the required number of spaces by Code.
Staff had c�anpleted that reviav just that day, and the apartment complex
does mt meet Code. ThirtY-thY'ee spaces are required, am1 there are only 24
sp3ces. So, this cuts out one of the options for parking ar�d makes Ms.
3tinski's prablem a little tougher to solve. However. Ms. Stinski. did tell
the City Cour�cil on July ilth tl�at the atc�unt o� overflvw spaces might rnt
be as great as origirally �hought maybe frcm 30 to as iittle as 10-12.
Ms. Sti� stated she would like a concensus froan the HRA that they are
interested in her project for this area, so she can proceed with the City
pouncil on the rnzoning for the e�ntire pzoj ect.
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Mr. imbertson stated the City Council specif ically wanted the HRA to know
tl�at they are vexy interested in the pr�j ect; and they understand that the
HRA is waiting for the �onir,g before the HI�A can take any action. If the
parkir�g situation can be solved, the City Council will take action on the
rez oning.
Mr. CioRmers stated the HRA was vexy interested in getting that boarded up
Y�ause r�enwed fr�n the property. The HRA was definitely willing to look at
this project as they are for-any other projects and see what kind of
assistar�ce they can give, but they canmt make any decisions until they see
a formal prc�posal. The way the HRA has harYiled this in the past is tY�at the
develaper is asked to come in with a proposal, review the proposal with
staff, arrl then staff makes a recaamendation to the HRA.
5. (D1�LSIDERATIDN OF S.E.H. CHA1�E O�ER �OR RICE CREIIC I�AD IP�lPK7VII�T!'S:
NDTIDN by Mr. Prairie, secor�ded. by Mr. N1e�er, to approve a change order to
S. E. H. for the Rice Creek Road i�mvements in the amaunt aF $3, 000.
UI�N A VOIC� VOTE, AT,L, VOTING AYE, Q3AIRpER9p1V �NNA�EERS DECLARID THE NDT?!JN
CARR]�D UNANIl�DUSI,Y.
6. CDNSIDERATIDN OF C�A1�E ORDER #5 FOR LAl�IDSC�1PIl�, IRRIGATION, AND LIGHTING
PKhTECT #168 AT T,AKF' �j�g:
NpTIDN by Mr. M�er, secorrled }�, Ms. Sch�abel, to approve Change Order #5
for Landscapfng, Irri,gation, ar�d Lighting Project #168 to Nlinnesota Valley
Lar�dscaping, ?ac., for the Lake Pbirlte site in the amaunt of $7,285.20.
U1�N A VOICE VOTE, ALI, VOT71� AYE, Q�AIRPER9pN CDNA'�RS DEQ�ARED THE NDTIDN
CARR]ED UNANIl�DUSLY.
7. C�,AIlKS:
N�TION by Ms. Schnabel, secor�ded by Mr. Prairie, to apprwe the check
register as stibmitted. -
UE�UAT A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOT1I� AYE, (�TAIRPER�N mNA�Fgg DEQ,ARID THE Ni�TION
C'ARR..:iF� UNANIl�DUSLY.
8. OTHER BUSIl�'SS:
Ms. Burt stated the HRA menbers had received capies of the anrn�al fir�ancial
statenent. She wauld �r�d the HRA menbers review it arx3 present any
questions-to staff at the August meetir�g. It could be put on the agerr7a.
Mr. CtoQmers stated he would also l�ke the HRA to discuss the ger�eral ledger
at the riext meeting.
�UIOURI�Y+�'d�Tr:
C�iairperson �rs declared. tlze July 14, 1988, Housing & Redevelopment
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Authority meeting adjourr�ed at 11:16 p.m.
R,espectfully sulinitted,
,ut, -0�.�
LY Saha .
Recordirx,� SecretaYy
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/
ENERGY COI�IISSION MEETING
JULY 19, 1988
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Dahlberg, Environmental Quality Commission (EQC), called the
July 19, 1988, Joint EQC/Energy Commission meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
uembers Present: Paul Dahlberg, Dean Saba, Bruce Bondow, Bradley Sielaff,
Steve Stark, Wayne Wellan
Members Absent: Bruce Hanley, Richard Svanda, Gerald Welf
Others Present: Lisa Campbell, Planning Associate
APPROVAL OF MAY 17, 1988, JOINT EQC/E�'ERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Wellan, to approve the May 17, 1988,
Joint EQC/Energy Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
APPROVAL OF JUNE 21, 1988, JOINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MII�TUTES
MOTION by Mr. Wellan, seconded by Mr. Saba, to approve the June 21, 1988,
Joint EQC/Energy Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. NEW BUSINESS
A. Tonnages Update 1988
Ms. Campbell indicated tonnages of recycled materials were up 8%.
This includes the S.O.R.T. site with 91 tons. If collections continue
at this rate, 92% of the goal of 571 tons will be met. Results like
this make' it difficult to sell the idea of bins. If we recycle more
than 40 tons, the cost per ton goes up. The reimbursement from Anoka
County covers a portian of the cost of the contract.
Mr. Bondow asked if Super Cycle had any control.
Ms. Campbell indicated the hauler is not covering their expenses at
this time for the corporation as a whole.
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Mr. Bondow asked if our rates had been compared with the rates in
other communities who also contract with Super Cycle.
Ms. Campbell indicated that Fridley's cost is $.25 per household at
the current rate. Other communities' costs range from $.15 to $.40
per household. Anoka County reimburses $30.83 per ton. The base
rate that the City pays to Super Cycle will be $1,790 per month
starting July 1. In October, this base rate will go up to $2,475
through July 1989. For every ton above 40 tons, we pay $40.00.
Ms. Campbell indicated that Super Cycle had been acquired by North Star
Universal but existing contracts would remain in place. The City's
contract is an 18-month contract. It is unusual for them to enter
into a contract of that length.
Mr. Stark asked if Super Cycle was the only firm in the City picking
up recyclables.
Ms. Campbell indicated they were, but others are moving toward recycling
which seems to work best with organized collection. The City of
Crystal is involved in a lawsuit brought by BFI. As Ms. Campbell'
understands it, BFI is bringing the�lawsuit to test'the law and see
if they would run into the same lega� problems with organized collection
as they have in other states. Crystal wants to move to organized
collection. The lawsuit is to sue the City under the anti-trust law.
Mr. Bondow thought this may have to do with limiting the number of
licenses available to haulers.
Ms. Campbell was asked to keep informed of the situation and continue
to provide updates for members.
Mr. Dahlberg stated that the City of Rochester has a drop-off site
for recyclables. The amount of materials left at the site is
credited off the garbage bill.
Ms. Campbell indicated a number of cities have organized collection
and give rebates for recycled materials. Another option is to go into
franchising which would still provide some control over pick ups and
rates.
Mr. Wellan asked if the County's goal�for tons abated would remain
the same.
Ms. Campbell stated the amount would go up. The demand for the
service will also increase.
Mr. Wellan asked how the Elk River facility would affect the City.
Ms. Campbell was not sure. The Anoka Coun,ty goal is for 20� abatement
of the waste stream, 80% of which will be processed. Fridley's
goal is 571 tons. I� we continue at the current rate, we will
come to 922 of that goal.
Mr. Wellan asked if there are any figures on what the independent
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Mr. Campbell does not have those figures.
Mr. Wellan stated that if the figures are based on the programs,
they are false numbers and inaccurate. -
Mr. Dahlberg stated the calculations were made on figures available
in 1985.
Mr. Wellan asked if haulers reported tonnages.
Ms. Campbell did not know. She indicated that the landfill is full,
but not closed. An extension has been applied for one year.
Ms. Campbell indicated she was planning to attend the next Council
Conference meeting to provide further information on the issue.
Mr. Saba indicated the City would receive a rebate for meeting the
goal.
Ms. Campbell added that if the City goes 10% over the goal additional
funds would be coming.
Mr. Bondow stated, to look at this from a different perspective, the
City is doing well. Why spend more money to do better which will in
turn cost more?
Ms. Campbell indicated this creates a question on the acquisition of
bins. Bins are expensive. Using bins would bring up the tonnages,
but it would also bring up the costs.
Mr. Wellan felt they should continue to proceed rather than have it
forced upon them and have no control.
Mr. Dahlberg thought it would be worthwhile to determine if it would
be cheaper to have an organized collection program. If the City
monitors through the utility billings, the City could make money and
the residents could save money.
Mr. Wellan felt that the new tipping fees would wipe out everything.
The fees are very high, and we are now faced with the problem that
we may not be able to go to the landfill.
Mr. Stark indicated that the appearance is as though if we don't have
a program it won't cost anything.
Mr. Dahlberg asked Ms. Campbell to contact the City of Champlin to
see if they have�evaluated their organized program. They may have a
plan that would be helpful and may be able to provide the costs involved.
Ms. Campbell stated she would like to provide an opportunity for the
City to reward citizens for recycling.
Mr. Bondow stated this is difficult because the funding comes from
different sources.
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Mr. Wellan stated that the City is recycling more and garbage pick
up is costing more. We are meeting abatement and should see lower
rates. Perhaps there are too many haulers in the City and they
have to charge what they do in order to stay in business-.
Mr. Dahlberg indicated that the City can state how many haulers
to license. •
Mr. Stark was not sure that the quantity was being reduced by
. recycling. He thought the haulers were charged by volume. Although
is seems that an increase in recycling should decrease the quantity
of refuse going to the landfill, this may not be the actual case.
Mr. Dahlberg recommended having a hauler attend a meeting. The
hauler would go to the landfill when the truck is full and weighs in.
We could see if they are making fewer trips and ask them if it would
be fair to provide a break to those residents who recycle. We could
also request their current charges for their service.
Mr. Wellan would like to know what the haulers take out of Fridley
in a month.
Mr. Stark stated that tonnages are probably going down at a slower
rate than the xate at which fees are going up.
Mr. Sielaff asked if Waste Management had source separation.
Mr. Campbell stated they did. One problem is that the recycling truck
and refuse truck do not fill up at the same rate.
Mr. Wellan thought the commission should look at what will happen in
the next five years. What would the costs to homeowners be at that
time?
Mr. Saba asked what is going to happen at the RDF plants.
Mr. Wellan thought that would be difficult to determine, but the
haulers should know what the tipping fees will be and what the costs
to residents will be.
Mr. Stark thought some information would be available through the Met
Council.
Mr. Dahlberg asked Ms. Campbell to gather information from other
municipalities, haulers, etc. and prepare a draft report for review
at the next meeting, and to ask haulers to attend a future meeting to
discuss their volumes, rates, and provide an opportunity to discuss
the issues with the commission.
2. OLD BUSINESS
A. Radon Update
Ms. Campbell presented the revised draft of the radon article for
review.
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Mr. Saba suggested on Page 1, the second subtitle, "Recommended Radon
Rate" be changed to read "Maximum Radon Levels." Pir. Saba noted that
the State of Minnesota in their radon testing found the_levels of
radon to be higher than found by the testing done by KSTP.
Mr. Bondow recommended that on Page 2, the last paragraph, second
sentence, "... Conmission members follow program ..." be changed
to read ". .. Commission members review program ..."
Mr. Campbell indicated that additional changes may be made before it
is printed in the newsletter.
Mr. Stark indicated that a recommendation he had heard was to keep
articles simple. He questionned if everyone would know what an "inert"
gas is.
B. Recycling Containers
Ms. Campbell referred to her memo of July 13, 1988, regarding Recycling
Containers, as included in the agenda. The memo includes three
recycling initiatives: adding tire recycling at the S.O.R.T.
site, acquiring and distributing bins, and requiring haulers to pick
up yard waste. The tireswere added from an abatement point of view.
A problem exists with tires being dumped in numerous places. The
basic thrust of the memo is that bins are a priority. Ms. Campbell
had proposed special assessment on t�e water biil to pay for the bins. This
would have been 60� per quarter for two years, but the idea was not
well received by the Council. As discussed as a part of riie to�ages update, there
is a question to the neecl of bins with the current rate of recyclables
being collected.
Mr. Saba asked by have bins when bags can be used.
Ms. Campbell felt bins would help to reach and surpass the goal as set.
The recommendation is for two bins that stack which would cost a total
of $75,000. We could do a one time only purchase with the money we
have and offer for sale at cost. The City Council does not want to
provide bins to residents. Arden Hills has done this successfully.
Mr. Wellan asked about the funds received from the Lions.
Mr. Dahlberg suggested the funds be used as a subsidy to reduce the
cost of the bins to the residents.
Mr. Sielaff suggested using the funds to buy bins, sell them to
residents. With the money collected, buy more bins, and do again.
Mr. Wellan thought it would be difficult to keep up with demand under
such a method.
C. Energy - Recycling Education Component Update
Ms. Campbell indicated that the original proposal would s��rve 640
students. Ms. Shanberg felt that theyE,,ould serve fewer students.
This would make funds available that could nbt be spent elsewhere
without the Department of Public Services approval.
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Mr. Dahlberg suggested that the funds may be used for the recognition
of students.
Ms. Campbell indicated that she could not approve a budget change.
This must go through the Department of Public Service as part of the
grant amendment. Ms. Campbell could call to see what they say.
Mr. Dahlberg requested Ms. Campbell to do so because the funds will
be spent on the student.
Ms. Campbell indicated Ms. Shanberg is to visit at the next meeting.
If haulers are also to attend, the meeting could get quite lengthy.
Mr. Dahlberg requested Ms. Shanberg attend the August meeting and the
haulers attend the September meeting.
3. OTHER BUSINESS
A. North Star Acquisition of Super Cycle
Ms. Campbell stated that Super Cycle has been acquired by North Star
Universal, Inc. The contract with Super Cycle will remain in place.
There have been no changes in the day-to-day operations.
B. Multi-Tenant Energy Audits
Ms. Campbell indicated that a presentation regarding multi-tenant
energy audits would be August 3, 1988. Letters went out to rental
owners and management companies. The Minneapolis Energy Office is
handling the responses. Two hundred fifty letters were mailed out
and a 25% return rate is anticipated.
Commission members requested Ms. Campbell work with the Minneapolis
Energy Office to see how many respond.
- Ms. Campbell indicated she had a conflict with that meeting and asked
if commission members could attend. The meeting will be conducted by
the Minneapolis Energy Office. They do not mention they are from
Minneapolis. They represent the City. The cost is being underwritten
by t;innegasco.
Mr. Saba and Mr. Bondow stated they would attend the meeting and asked
Ms. Campbell to forward information about the meeting to them.
C. Anoka County Solid Waste Task Force
Ms. Campbell indicated the Task Force would be meeting August 3 at
Bunker Hills.
Mr. Dahlberg stated he could attend the meeting and asked Ms. Campbell
to forward to him the agenda.
Mr. Wellan and Mr. Stark requested to receive information and agendas
for the Task Force on a regular basis.
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D. Energy Conservation Focus Groups
Mr. Sielaff indicated he had talked with Susan Moore about marketing
energy conservation. Ms. Moore is doing focus groups around the
state. They get input from residents on their energy needs and
conservation. Ms. Moore would be willing to do a focus group in
Fridley. This may require some work from staff in selection, planning
and organizing. Ms. Moore would be willing to come and talk with the
commission. The impetus on energy conservation has declined.
Ms. Campbell indicated she would contact Ms. Moore and discuss the
idea further.
E. Energy Commission Elections
Mr. Saba declared the nominations open for Chairperson of the Energy
Commission.
Mr. Bondow nominated Mr. Saba for Chairperson.
Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Saba declared the nominations
closed.
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to cast a unanimous
ballot for Mr. Saba for Chairperson of the Energy Commission for
1988-89.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Saba declared the nominations open for Vice-Chairperson of the
Energy Commission.
Mr. Bondow nominated Mr. Sielaff for Vice-Chairperson.
Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Saba declared the nominations
closed.
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Saba, to cast a unanimous
ballot for Mr. Sielaff for Vice-Chairperson of the Energy Commission
for 1988-89.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SABA DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
F. Meeting Date for August
Ms. Campbell indicated Ms. Shanberg would not be available to attend
the Commission meeting as scheduled on August 16 and requested the
meeting date be changed to August 23.
Commissian members approved the change of dates to August 23.
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JOINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, JULY 19, 1988 PAGE 8 '
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Stark, to adjourn the meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED THE JULY 19,
1988, JOINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
vonn Cooper
Recording Secretary
QTY QF FRIDLEY
APPF.AIS 0.'k�A'�S5ICN MEErIl�TG, JULY 19 , 19 88
('ATJ• TO ORDER:
Qia� ��on Barna called the July 19, 1988, Appeals Ca�unission ireeting to arder
at 7:33 p.m
�Li., C1�I.L�:
N�mbers Present: Alex Bania, Diane Savac�e, Jerry Sherek, Kenneth Vos,
Iazzy Kuedzle
�rs Absent: None
Others Present: Darrel Clark, City Building Inspector
Rev. John Magranm, Orthodax Church of the Resurrectio� of Christ
Vladimir Chahovskay, 4717 Coliur�bus Ave. S.
Doug Peterson , 7262 Kirkwood Lane, Nx3ple C�ave
Jay & R�byn West, 6180 Benja¢nin St. N.E.
E.R. Owczarzak, 8528 Mississippi Boulevard
Jim Sackrison, 845 W. 88th St.
Ric & Jan Creamer, 55 - 75th Way N.E.
Bob Ecker, 5940 - 3rd Street N.E.
Arnold & Tatnara AsperLSOn, 6520 - 2nd Street N.E.
Mike & Julie Wojcik, 109 - 76th Way N.E.
Mary Boedigheimer, 117 - 76th Way N.E.
Terry Hart, 6000 - 3rd Street N.E.
APPROVAL OF JUI� 28, 1988, APPF�I.S CONIl�'aSSIUN NIIN[T�S:
MO►I'IQV by Nis. Savage, seoonded by Mr. Kuedzle, to approve the June 26, ]988,
P,ppeals Co�mission minutes.
Mr. 3arna stated he would like to make the follawing �rrections to the minutes :
Page 11, paragraph 3, dzange first two sentenaes as fol].ows:
"Mr. Barna stated that Menarcls cannot go u nderneath the neighbor-
ing resic3ents' property. He also stated that the trees vould be
d�naged if they dug �derneath the property and that the c�ipLine
wauld denate the edge of the root systan. If Menards damaged that,
they would have to replaoe them."
Page 12, 3rd and 4th paragraphs frcm bott�n of page:
"Nis. Savage stressed that Menards did nat have a sound stur3y as
stipulated at the last neeting, and she would wte agains t the
varianoe. "
��v�v A wzcE w�rE, � varn�c �, i varnvc r�, a���sarr s�A
LIECZARED 'I�iE NY7�IQl�i CARRIID BY A WZ� C1F 3-l. "
L�T A VOIC� VOTE, AIZ VOT�TG AYE, Q�AIRPERSCN B1�TA I�CLARED THE MINCTl'ES APPROVED
AS AN�TI�ED.
APPEALS Q.�SSION MEETING, JLTLY I9, 1988 PAC£ 2
1. ODISSII�R�TIdN OF A VARIAN(E F:E7QL�ST, VAR #88-16, BY O1�iODOX QiiktQ�i QF �
RESLIRF�CTION (�F' �iRIST: �
Pursuant tA Secttrn 205.16.03.D, (3) , of the �Yidley C�ty Oode to reduve the
rear yard setback fran 25 feet to 10 feet; p�ssuant to Secti� 205.16.03.D, (1) ,
of the Fridley City Uode to rec�uoe the frrnt yard setback fram 35 feet to 10
feet; p�suant to Section 205.16.03.D, (2) , of the FYidl+ey C�ty Code to reduoe
the side yard setbadc frcm 15 feet to 5 feet; pursuant to Seckicn 205.04.05.B
of the �ridley City Cbde to allaa an acvessory use within the front yard; p�suant
to Section 205.16.OS.D, (5j ,(aJ , of the FYidley City Code ta re�ae the hard
surfaoe setbadc fran the public ric�t-of-way fran 20 feet tA 10 feet; and
pursuant to Sectiori 205.16. 05. D, (5) ,(b) , of the FYidley City Qode to reduoe the
hard s�fave setback fran a sic3e lat line fmn 5 feet to 0 feet, to allaa a
dzurdi, parsonage, bell t�wer, and religious boolc store in an S-1, Hyde Park
neignboring zoni� district, on Ir�ts 27 and 28, Block 12, Hyde Park, the same
being 5973 - 3rd Street N.E.
M7►I'ION by Dr. Vos, sevonded by Ms. Savage, to open the pub lic hearing.
t�o� A wzc� wrrE, �, vo��vc �, a���sc�v a�avA ��D ��r�c
HF.AF2Il�IG OPII�1 AT 7:35 P.M.
�ai r�rcon Barna read the Ac'hninistrative Staff Report:
� ! �1 1' • V• '• 'd
5963 - 3rd Stre�t N.E.
VAR #88-16
A. PLL�LIC FURFDSE SQtVID BY RD�[JIIi�rs
Sectioa 205.16.03.D, (3) , requires a rear yard set]�acJs of mt less than 25
f eet.
Public purpose sezved by this requirement is to provide adequate open
spaces arour�d stru�ctures for aesthetic ar�d fire fighting purposes.
Sectioai 205.16.03.D, (1), requires a minimun front yard setL�ack of 35 feet
for all buildings.
Publ ic purpose served by thi s requirement i s to al l c�w f or of f- s tree t
parkir,g without encraaching on the public right-of-way and also for
aesthetic consideration to reduce the building "line of sight"
e.ncroachment into the neighbor's front yard.
Sectio� 205.16.03.D, (2), requires a side yaYd setback of nnt less tt�an 15
feet. -
Public pui�oee ee�ved b�i this �_*��*+* is to pt�ovic7�e for adequate open
spaces �r�u�d strt�ctures, to maintain clear access for fire fighting
puipases, ar�d to r�educe oonflagratian of fire.
Sectioa 205.04.05.B allavs accessoiy buildir�gs arid structures in the rear
ar�d front yard �onTy.
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APPF�LS CX]N�IISSICN ��G, JiJLY 19, 1988
PAGE 3
Public puzpo�e aeiyed bs, this require�ent is to provide desired front
yard sp�ace to be used for green areas for access and to add to the
attractability of the p�,ope�,j,. • -
Sectioa 205.16.05.D, (5), (a), r,equires a,l,l parki� arri hard surface areas
to be m closer than 20 feet fran any str+eet right of�way.
Public pur��se seiyed b�, �S �i�� is ��1�,�, fo�, aesthetically
pleasing c�pen araas adjaoent to public ri�t-of-ways.
Sectio� 205.16.05.D. (5), �), �ires all parking ar�d hard surface areas
to be m closer than 5 feet from any side lot lir�e.
Public purpose seryed by this requirment is to prwide adequate apen
space areas araurid stxvctures f� aesthetic arri fire fighting p���s.
B • STATID NARDSHIP:
'�ecause the b�uilding has lost legal non-conforming status, variances
anist be granted before re-use af the building is possi.ble. "
C• �IS`I}2ATIVE STAF� REV�1:
� The petitioner, Father John lyagramn, is requesting the City to grant
�'�al va�'iances which would allaa him to oonstruct an Orthodox Church
at 5973 3rd Street. Variarices must be gra;nted because the building has
lost legal mnconforming status by not being used for one year. The
ProPosed building cbes, hawever, create more varia�es.
T�is P�Perty is located in a S�ecial District, Hyde park, wiuch the City
considers oa�arable to R-1, Single Family Dwelling District. Churches
are allowed as a special use but are regulated by the (�2-1, Geneml
Office District r,equi,rs►ients�
The f irst variar�ce request to reduce the r�r ya�,3 Setba ck f ro¢n 2 5 f eet
to 10 feet would allaa the o�nstruction of .an apse on the east side of
the building. This apse will be used as the altar. Presently, the
building does have a s�hed attached to the east building side which is 6
feet from the rear propertj, li�.
Tt�e petitioc�er is also requesting a variar�ce to redu� ���� front
Yard setback from 35 feet to 10 feet. The churc,h�s �u��t plans show a
front yard setback at 30 feet for the construction of an entry way.
Father John is requesting a greater variance be granted for future
e�aansi�. A 10 foot setback wauld cause visibility problens for traffic
a� wauld destroy the residential setting the City is txyirxJ to establish
fa� this r�eighborhood.
T� �i�d variance request to reduee the side yard setback from 15 feet
to 5 feet is necessaxy. The existir�q building is currently 5 feet fran
the side lot lir�e.
As Part of his churGti. Father Jahn v�ants to c�onstruct a bell tower in the
front yard. (�ty q�de o�ly a11a,us accessory buildings in the rear and
side yard for aesthetic ar�d traffic safety reasons. Loc.atio� of the bell
tower would be reqt;ired. 10 feet fran any Pr'opertY li.ne or driveway.
P
APPEALS 4'Y�A�SSION N�,TIl�IG; JULY I9, 1988 PAC� 4
Father John is r�er�uestir�g a variar�ce to reduce the hardsurface setback
frcm public right of-way fran 20 feet to 10 feet. The parking Iot is
currently set back at 15 feet. Father John is requesting a 10 foot
vari.ar�ce s� the parking oould be e�ar�d in the future if r�ecessaYy.
The last variame Father Jahn is reqwesting is to reduce the mininn,an hazd
surface setiaack fram 5 feet to 0 feet. This situation is also already
existing. Because the existing parking lot encroaches upon City
property, an agreanent was made with previaus te�nts regardir�g its use.
Z�emnts were requir•ed to sign a 3 year lmse agreenent which would allow
then to use the lot for $1.00 per year. Father John has r� abjectio�3s to
the agreenent; however, he would like a 10 year lease.
Staff reoa►n�er�ds denial of the variance request to reduce the minimtan
front yard setback frcm 35 feet to 10 feet. This setback would create
visibility prob�ens for traffic ar�d destroy the residential character of
the vatmunity. Staff would approve a varia�ce r�equest for a front yard
set�ck of 25 feet.
Staff r�ecaa��e�s approval of all the other variance requests with the
follaaing stipulatio�s:
1. The bell tower shall be located 10 feet fran any property lir�e
�' driveway.
2. A portion of Lot 29, approocimately 1,604 sq. ft., is being
leased fram the City at $1.00 per year with the City's ri�t
to termirate the l�se within �e year, after the first year.
3. Larr]scaping to be installed as per plan by July 1, 1989.
4. A perfarmance bo�d o� letter of credit for 3$ of the co�stn�c-
tio� value be give�n to t2�e City prio� to issuar�ce of the
buildir�g peimit. ,
5. Qzurch parking dan�nd shall mt exceed 8 spaces imless
a8diti�al spaces are provided.
6. Install 6 ir�ch ooncrete curbing arrnu�d the e�ntire perimeter
of the parking lot ir�cluding driveway openirx� by Nov. 1, 1988.
7. �rking lot to be sealooated ar�d striped. 48 spaces) by
Nw. 1. 1988.
8. Fbsts are to be r+enoved vpon installatian of laridscapir�g
- (July 1, 1989).
9. Aetitio�er to maintain site i�diat�ly by cutting grass
ar,d elimiz�ati.ng weec3s.
I�. Clarl: stated ti�,ere was a s�ip-off ra� that cxmes off Ur.iversity Awenue anci
goes south an 3rd Street by the petitianer's prc�sty. 'Ihe petitiarier's
properky is an Lots 27 and 28, and the Ci.ty aans Lots 29 and 30, which is being
used paztia]1y far ric�t of-way for the slip-off r�p fran th�ivezsity Avenue.
APPEALS CCINA�SSI�1 N�TING, J[Tt�Y 19, 1988 PAC� 5
Mr. Clark shvwed a picture of how the building will look after re�ling. with
the altar extensioaz on the back, the canapy over th�e entranoe at the frcnt of
the building. He stated part of the varianoe request was to even add on further
to the front if at all possible c3aari to 10 feet frcm the front propeity line.
�he bell tower w�uld be plaaed in �e fr�orit yard.
Mr. Clark stated that in order for the petitianer to put the parking lot on a
portion of the city property, there wauld have to be a lease agreement or
vacati� by the City Co�cil.
Mr. Clark stated the building to the south of the petitioner's property was an
apartment building, and it does line up with the wall of the existing building
on the site at 35 feet.
Dr. 4'os stated that 8 s paves were shown for parking oa� the plan. Did the Code
say anything about haa many spaaes a ch�dz neec�ed?
Mr. Clark stated the petitioner has been working with Kathy Castle in the Planning
Depaztment, and it was his Zm3erstanding there were nat many parishioners that go
to the c��dz at any ane time.
Father John stated the archit�ect, Validimir Chahc�vskcy, who had dr�an up the plans
for the �urdz, was at the meeting. They would certainly weloome any questions
frcan the o�rnnissioners, staff, or any�e in the audienoe.
Mr. Barna stated that he would not be in fawr of the future expansion to within
10 feet of the fro�t property line. He would be willing t�o a�nsic�er the bell
tow�er or even the portico oaning aut a littl,e farther, but not the dzurch structure.
NiS. Savage asked for a clarification of the hardship.
Mr. Clark stated the building was now vacant. Hyde Park, an S-1 District, was a
vezy peculiar district. It basically says that the uses pernlitted are whatever
was used when the ordinance was passed; and if nat that, then it has to be single
family. The definition of legal nonoonforming use says that if a building is
vacated ancl not used for more than a year, it loses its legal nonoonforn�ing status
and goes to nonooriforming; therefore, if a buildirig is used, it must ariform to
the district's regulations. In this case, it means the builcling would have t�o
be used for a single faQnily c�aelling. Because the building has lost its legal
nonoonforming statuts, tliere is a petition to use it for a c�urdz whic3z is allaaed
in a single family �l,ling district with a special use pernat (special use pernii.t
to be heard by the Planning �missicn oai July 27) .�ese variances waiald bec�r >
neoessary even if the building was used without ariy additions. Zhe varianoe w�ould
be nevessazy rn the sauth lat li.ne fran 15 feet to 5 feet for a oc�urercial district
in an S-1 district. Zhe other varianoes w�ere actually enlargements of the existing
struct�m�--� the frant, to the back a�d the parking lot to the north. �he harc�
ship is that �parently the vwner or the petitioc�er does not want to use the
property for a sing]�e fa�iily c�aelling and would 1�ke to use it for a dl�ch.
Mr. Sherek stated he was v�noerned about the parkir� situat�on. What options did
the dzurdl ha�ve if its parking needs were to e�and?
APPF�LS Q�I�SSICtV NEEI'ING, JLTLY 19, 1988 PAC� 6
Father John stated they are presently meeting (far the past two years) at
Univ�rsity Lutheran Qz�dz of Ho�pe. Zheis serviaes are held oci Stmday m�rning
at 9:00 a.m �ey have no more than 20 parishioners at this time, and they do
not envision a fast gmwth in members. He stated they have ;*��; red about
additiorial parking at NortYaaestern Bell, but have npt received a response at
this tiure. �ey have reoeived a positive response for future parking, if it
should ever be needed, across University Avenue.
Nh�. Kuecfile asked if the 'sanctuary spaoe allvwed for 20 pea�le.
Father John stated it did. Zhey will have individual seating in the sanctua�y.
Mr. Kwedzle stated that if the varianoe was not granted for the front yard set-
badc from 35 feet to 10 feet, haw wauld this affect the churdz's buil�ding plans?
Father John stat�ed it would cause a possible hardship of being able to renndel
to the front the wa� they want to do it, and they would have to mave the bell
taaer to sare other spaoe because of the fact that it would then have to be in
frorit of the frarit cbor.
Mr. 3�b Ecker, 5940 - 3rd Street, stated Father John had talked about werflaa
parkinq across University Avenue. How would the pec�ple get across the street,
because it was all c�ain link fencing fran 61st Av�nue to 57th Avenue? He stated
he was not opQc�sed to the dz�ch, but he just wcndered haw the peaple w�uld get
ac.ross L�iiversity Avenue.
Father John stated the people oaning tA the dzurch wauld be oaaing fran a long
distanae �,vay, and they would not mind walking this short distanoe. He did not
oonsider this a problem; however, it was oertainly a reasonable question.
Mr. Ecker stated that if they are thinking about the future and the need for
m�re parking for the churdi in the future, he would be vezy much in favor of
eliminating the sli�roff. �at slig-off is just Used for an entranoe ra�np for
the 3rd Strnet free�ray.
Father John stated he has asked the City about the possibility of the sliFroff
being abanda�ed, but that was sanething the City would have to ooaisider.
Mr. Barna stated there was always the possibility of a petition to vacate that
section of the alley behind the property and for the City to vacate a portion
of the triangular area formed by Iat 29 and even part of Ir�t 30. Th�s would
then give future roam for future parking. So, technically, there was roo�n for
future parking e�ansion.
Mr. Claz�C stated the slip-off ramp was prc�posed ar�d car�structed a rnmiber of
years ago by the City to direct oc��rcial traffic to 3rd Street at 60th Avenue
in order to keep t hat traftic �rcm go� ng thmugh the residential area to the
north. NoEaf all. that has d�a�ed, a�d whatever ocmrercial still there is legally
�ere as Io� as it does nc�t b�ecare vacated for mr�re than a year. If a building
burns �awn� it was his �nderstanding, it oauld be rnbuilt as far as residenti.al,
so th� siiiroff really only serves the Bell Telephone Buildi�g, the proposed
APPF,AI.S QONIl�SSIOtV METING, JULY I9, 1988 PAC� 7
dz�d-i, a furniture refinishing business, and a used car lat. Zhere is not the
need for the slig-off that there wauld be if this had all been built oatutercial,
so mzybe sare thought should be given to whether the slip-off is still neoessary.
Nbst of the businesses still on 3rd Street do not generate a lat of traffic.
NiS. Teny Hart, 6000 - 3rd Street, stated she did rr�t cabject t,� the dZUrch.
She asked about the puYpose of the bell tower.
Father John stated the purpose of the bell tower was to add a oertain aesthetic
rn,ality to the building � make it look like a d�urch. They have several bells--
the largest of which was about 16 inches in di�neter. �heir seYVioes w�uld be
preceded by the ringing of the bells that wauld last about 3-5 minutes.
Dr. �%s asked if there were any similar ch�ches in the �ain Cities area.
Father John stated there was a ch�c� in Northeast Minneapolis behind Holy
C.ross, one in Southeast Minneapolis off Highway 280, one off S�mmit Avenue in
St. Paul, and a large dzurdz near La)ce C�lhaui.
Father Jo�n stated he would like to give a brief introductioal and history of
what their d7urc� is, and it might be helpful to the neighbors and the oaYrtnissioners.
He stated the O�thodca QZUrd1 is the eastern c3z�dz as ampared to the Catholic
Church whidz is the western churdl. Zhe history of the Orthocbx Church in the
Uni�d States goes back to the 1700's, and the first missions of the Orthodox
(�urdz were in Alaska and San �anciso�. His particular parish has been in
existenve for about two years,and they are p�art of anather Orthodox Churdl in
Southeast Minneapolis whid� does mt use as much Eriglish as they wr�uld like to
use in their servioes. In o�iparing the Ort�iodox Ch�ch tA the Catholic Churdz,
there is a differenbe in the rite of service.
Father John stated that as far as their relationship with the oo�aanity of Fridley,
they have a hause d-iapel and the priest's residenoe in Fridley which have been
here for several years. 'Ilzey have �ers of the church who live in Fridley.
They have established a rapport with St. Williams Catholic Qzurch. 24-iey were
not a charisinatic c��ch. They were prabably ocatparable to a church that wnuld
be seen as or�e of the early dzurches and they have some of the tmst ancient
rituals and prackioes a�ared to other dzurc3�es of the woestern world.
Father John stated they would like to make the existing building into a dzurch.
For that puY�ose, they have to do a lat of wr�rk oaz the inside to make the
sanctuary. �ey also want to do scme work on the outside to m�ke the building
look like a dz�dl, but they will do that in certain phases--the apse first,
perhaps the steepl,e secnaid, and then the bell tawer. Zhey want to make the
building look attractive, look like a d7urdz and be an asset to the local oo�uminity.
Nis. Savage asked if the bell tauer oould be built onto the existing building.
Father John stated that was a possibility, but because the structure needs a lort
of work, it was nat soarethirig they had planned to do because they dr� not even
know if the present build.ing woul,d be able to handle that type of struct�e ca�
t�op of it.
Mr. Barna suggested an alternative of ino�rporating the bell tvwer with the portioo.
APPEALS Q.'�`M'BSSIQJ NEE,TING, JiJLY 19, 1988 PA(.� 8
Mr. �ahovskay stated that was a possibility. Zhey were txying to create a
ser�s�e of entry—a series of small e�erien�ces in entering the dlurdz.
Nh�. Sherek asked about special events and the need for additicnal parking for
w�eddings, funerals, etc.
Father John stated their parish was fairly small. �eir services are on S�day
mornings and Sat�day evenings for about �e hour. �hey saretimes have a sexvioe
during the week, perhaps twioe a month. In the last two years, they have had
one vaedding and �e fur�eral. As an exanple, at the parish in Southeast Minneapolis
whidz was forn�ed in 1953, there are a total of 40 faQnilies in 1988. So, the
�nissioners and neighbors oould see that their grvwth was vezy small.
M7�ICN by Dr. Vos, seccnded by Ms. Savage, to close the public hearing.
L]PCCN A VOIC� VOTE, ALL W'I�IG AYE, CHAIRPERSCN B�ARL�A DEC�ARED Tf� PUBISC HEARIl�IG
CLQ6ED AT 8:27 P.M.
MyI'ICN by Mr. Kuechl,e, se�anc3ed by Dr. Vos, to reoa�arend to City O�uncil appraval
o� VAR #88-16, by Orthodc�x Churdz of the Resurrection of Christ, pursuant to
Secticn 205.16.03.D,(3), of the Fridley City Code to reduoe the rear yard setback
frosn 25 feet to 10 feet; pursuant to Section 205.16.03.D,(2), of the Fridley City
C.ode to reduoe the side yard setback fn�an 15 feet to 5 feet; pursuant to Section
205.16. 05. D, (5) ,(a) , of the �idley City Code tA rec�uoe the hard surfave setback
fran the public right of-way fro�n 20 feet to 10 feet; and pursuant to Section
205.16. O5. D, (5) ,(bj , of the Fridley Gity Qode to reduce the hard surfaoe setbadc
frcgn a side lot line fram 5 feet to 0 feet, to allaa a dzurc�, parsonage, bell
tawer, and religious book store in An S-1, Hyde Park neigY�boring zoning district,
on Lots 27 and 28, Block 12, Hyde Park, the s�ne being 5973 - 3rd Street N.E.,
with the fol]Awing stipulations :
1. A porti� of Iat 29, a�praximately 1,604 sq. ft. is being leased
fran the City at $1.00 per year.
2. Landscaping t,o be installed as per plan by July l, 1989.
3. A performanoe bond or letter of credit far 3$ of the �nstructioal
value be given to the City prior to issuanoe of the building pernut.
4. Qz�dz parking clesnand shall not exoeed 8 spaoes unless additi�al
spaoes are provided.
5. Install 6 inch eoazcrete curbing around the entire perimeter of the
parking lat including drivEway opening by Nov. l, 1988.
6. Parking lot to be sealooated and striped (8 spaoes) by Nov. 1, 1988.
7. Posts are to be rem�ved upon installatian of landscaping (July 1, 1989) .
8. Petitirner to maintain site �mr�diately by cutting grass and el.ir.tiinating
weeds.
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Ni7PICl�T by Dr. Vos, seoorid�ed by Mr. Kuechle, to revatut�rr3 to City Council approval
of varianoe request, VAR #88-16, by Orthocbx �urch of the Resurrection of Christ,
pursuant to Section 205.16.03.D, (1) , of the Fridley City oode to reduoe the front
yard setbark fran 35 feet to 25 feet as rearnmended by staff, tA allow a churdi,
parsonage, bell taaer, and religious book store in an S-1, Hyde Park neighborinq
2oning district, an Ir�ts 27 and 28, Block 12, Hyde Park, the same beirig 5973 -
3rc't:Street N.E.
Mr. Clark stated that in order to make it mare clear, was the m�tion tro approve
the setbadc fran 35 feet to 25 feet for an additi� to the building or just for
the portioo in front?
Dr. Vos stated he had no abjection to the building oaning aut to within 25 feet
of the fralt lot line.
LIPCiV A VOICE W'i�, ALL WTIlJG AYE, CHAIRPERSQJ BI�TdVA DECLARED Zi� M7TION CARRIID
LNPi"t�TINDL]SSLY.
Nis. Savage stated she had difficulty in being able to envision how the bell tower
woulrl look in the frocit yard.
Nh�. Chatiovskvy stated the bell taaer was not a very tall building, about 6-8 feet
across, an elevated platfozm_with a roof over it. It w�ould prabably have the
same materials as the sanctuaYy af the church--stucoo with asphalt shingles. The
bell taver c�ras used primarily to ring the bells during oertain parts of the servioe.
Zhe reason for putting the bell tvwer in the frar�t yard was to give the dzurc�
another symUol.
Nis. Savage asked if bell towers had to be placed in the frcnt yard. She was
v�nae�ed that there would nat be enough green spaoe with the bell tawer in the
fro�t yard.
Mr. QZahovskay stated a bell taaer can be placed anywhere; haaever, it was mt
j�t a bell tvwer, but a symbol for the whole developn�ent. He stated they think
they will have enough green spaoe in the frcnt yard. Zhe bell tawer is nat very
large.
MOI'ION by Mr. Kuec�le, seo�ded by 1�. Savage, to reoa��nd to City Council
d al of varianoe request, VAR #88-16, by Orthodox Church of the Resurrection
of Qzrist, puxsUant to Section 205.04.05.B of the F'ridley City Code to allaa
an acoessory use within the fro�t yard, to allaa a bell taaer i.n an S-1, Hyde
Park neic�boring zoning district, on Iats 27 and 28, Block 12, Hyc1e Park, the
same being 5973 - 3rd Street N.E.
Mr. Kue�le stated he liked the idea of a bell tower; haaevpx, he would like to
dzallenge the ardlitect to see what other c7ptions were available for the locaticn
of the bell tvwer, perha�s m�ving the bell tower to the side yard. His primaYy
oonoern was the fact that the bell tvwer would be so close to the street in a
residential area. The other structures in the neighborhood are set back 35 feet,
and he thauc�t putting the bell taver out in frcnt ev�n anather 10 feet would
have an adverse effect cn the neighborhood. Ev�n thou�, ardiitecturally, this
wauld be a nioe structure, he wauld nat like to see it in the front yard.
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Mr. Qzahavskay stated there were sane trees in the frazt yard nav that would
pmbably provide imre obstruction than an o�i building (the bell taaer) .
Mr. Sherek stated he would abject t�o the tall trees, too, because trees also
cause problens with the line of sight.
t�a� A wzcE vo�, x�a-�, sAVac�, p,rrD s�c varzrrc �, vos � sr�A �c
NAY, Q3AIRPERSCN BAR�IA DECS�RID Tf� M7rI0�t CARRIED BY A W'I� QF 3-2.
Mr. Barna stated the varianoes and the special use perniit wruld go to City
O�uncil on Aug�st 8.
2. CCNSII�ERATICN QF A V�2IANCE 17EQLTEST, VAR #88-17, BY DOLTG PErII�S�T:
Pursuant to Sectiori 205.07.03.A of the Fridley City Qode to rec�uoe the minim�un
lot area fran 9,000 squa��e feet to 7,900 square feet; and pursuant to Section
205. 07. 0 3. D, ( 3) , of the Fridley C�ty Coc�e to reduoe the rear yard setback fran
25 feet to 21 feet to allaa the oonstzuction of a single family hane with an
attadzed garage on Iat 8, Block 1, Oak River Fstates, the same being 101 - 76th
Way IJ.E.
M7rICN by Mr. Kuechle, seoorided by Dr. Vbs, to apen the public hearirig.
IJPCN A VOICE Vt7I�, ALL �AT.Il�TG AYE, �1AIRPER.S�1 BA�IA I�CCARID THE PI]BLIC i�RING
OPII�1 AT 8:59 PM.
�airpersoai Barna read the �►� n� Gtrative Staff Report:
AL�NISTRATIVE STAFF FIEPOF�
101 - 76th Way N.E.
VAR #8&-17
A. Pt�LIC PURP06E SERVED BY �QUIRENII�Tr :
Section 205.07.03.A requires a minim�an lat area of 9,000 sq. ft. for a
cn�family d�a�elling.
Public pun�ose served by this requirement is to avoid the wnditicn of
wercraading of a residential rreighborhood.
Section 205.07.03.D, (3), requires a rear yard d�th of rx�t less than 25$
of the lat depth with not less than 25 feet permitted or more than 40 feet
required far the m3in building.
Public puYpc�se served by this requiYe.nent is to prc7vide rear yard spaoe
to be used for green areas �ic� enhanoe the nei��borhoai.
B. STP,Z�D HARDSf3IP;
"Anaka County i.s taking rear 15 feet af Iot for East River R�ad. "
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APPEnI.S O�A'aSSICN r'�,TING, JULY 19, 1988 PAC� 11
C. ADNSINISTRATIVE STAF'F RE'V.�nT:
�e petitioner, Mr. Peterson, is asking the Appeals �a�u►�ission to grant
approval for two varianoe requests: to reduoe the required minimtan lat
area fmn 9,000 sq. ft. to 7,900 sq. ft. and to reduae the mini.naun near
yard setbadc required frcm 25 feet to 21 feet.
'Ilze praperty, 101 - 76th Way, �idz is located in a single faQnily c�a�elling
wzit (I. 1 district) , is currently vacant. The lot has daible frontage with
76th Way t� �e west and East River Road to the east. The petitior�er is
Piroposing to build a 2,037 sq. ft. single family home on the lot. The
varianoes are needed because of Anoka County's East River Road cca�struction
project.
Anoka County will be e�anding East River Rpad 15 feet to the west, whic�
will reduc�e the lot to 7,900 sq. ft. In order to �nstruct a home of this
size, a vari.anoe for the rear yard setbadc is needed. Expansion of East
River RAad will begin this year.
Staff rec�urerids appr�val of this request with no stipulations.
Mr. Clark stated the size of the lot, before the taking of property by Ano�ca
County for East Rive.r Road, would be more than 9,000 sq. ft., and the rear yard
setback as shaan on the surv�y would have met the 25 ft. setback. Because of
15 feet being taken by Anoka Co�ty, it makes the rear ya� di.mexLSion frrom the
new right-of-way line to the bacY. of the new house 21 feet, and the entire size of
the lot has been reduced to 7,900 sq. ft.
Mr. Clark stated the foundatian area of the h�ouse was 1,029 sq. ft., and the
garage was 420 sq. ft.
Mr. Barna stated the Code requi.res a house foot�rint of 1,020 sq. ft. So, actually,
there w�ere three hasrlships: the minim�an house size requir��nt of 1,020 sg. ft.;
the req�iir�nent for a tw�-car garage, the configuration of the property and the
County taking 15 ft. of that property.
Mr. Doug Petersan stated he had approached Anoka County about buying the whole
lot when they t-:ook the back 15 feet. Mr. Jahn McDunn at the County told him
he had talked to the City of Fridley, and the City wauld give variances for
building a house where the lots would be smaller. The County refused to buy the
whole lot.
The neic�bor to the north stated they abjected to this house being so close to
their house. They w�nd�ered haw the house would even fit on the lot.
Dr. Vos stated the petitioner was not asking for ariy side yard varianoes or
front yan�3 variances, so they would not be building any closer to the curb or
the side lot .lines. There wese site proble,ms because of being located on a
cul-d�sac .
Mr. Barna stated if this house had been built at the sa�ne time as �he neighbor's
before the County t�oo�c the 15 feet, there w�uld have been r�o problem and the
variances would not have beP_n needed.
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APPEAI�S CUM�4ISSION N�I'II4G, JULY 19, 1988 PAGE 12
Mr. Richard Creamer, 55 - 75th Way, stated his ooncern was with the snaa ranoval
in the cul-d�sac. Vdzere was the snaa going t,o go? The snvw was either going
to go into this lot's front yard where it has been du¢nped in the past or it was
going to go into his back yard.
Mr. Barna stated that ev�en though there were abjections fran the neighbors con-
cerning this variance request, there was definitely a hardship, created not by
the awrier of the property, but by the City in the way the lots w�ere platted and
by the County in the taking of 15 feet of property.
A neighbor i.n the area stated she felt that ane criteria for these variances
should be that th+e new wnstruction would hav�e to fit in with t1'�e rest of the
neiqhbor2iood. Will this new �nstructioa� really fit into the rest of the neigh-
borhood?
Mr. Barna stated it was a nice look.ing house, and Y�e thouc�t it w�uld fit nicely
int�o the neighborhood. He o�uld .o�rtainly understand tive neighborhood's objectian,
but there was definitely a hardship not creat�ed by the petitioner. If it wex'e not
for the fact that the County has technically taken irost of tY�e back yard, this
house oould be built withaut any var'iances.
MpTIpN by Ms. Savage, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL Vd�ING AYE, CI�IRPERSON BARNA DDCI� Tf� PUBLIC HE�IRING
CLpSID AT 9:23 P.M.
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seoonded by Mr. Sherek, to recanrend to City Council
approval of variar�ce request, VAR #88-17, by Doug Peterson, pursuant to Section
205.07.03.A of the Fridley City Code to reduoe the minim�un lot area frcm 9,000
sq. ft. to 7,900 sq. ft.; and pursuant to Section 205.07.03.D,(3), of the Fridley
City Code to reduce the rear yard setback fro�n 25 feet to 21 feet to allvw the
construction of a single family haY� with attache d garage on Lot 8, Blocic 1,
pak Rivex Estates, the same being 101 - 76th Way N.E.
Mr. Sherek stated he agreed this was not a vezy well planned lot, but that was
not scmething the Co�ussion could consider at this time. The real oonsideration
was the hardship caused by Anoka Co�ty's East River Rc�ad constructian project.
The �peals Conmissioaz really had no alternative but to apprave the varianoe as
requested, even thouc�, he too, would probably abject if it was in his neic,�Uorhood•
Ms. Savage stated she also sympathized with the neighbors,
a hardship not created by tYie petitioner but by the Crnmty.
•Co�missio� was mandated by l�a to grant the variance.
Mr. Barna stated he alsa a�3reed.
but there was clearly
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UPON A VOIC� VO►rE, AI�L �ING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BARNA DF7�I.ARE D THE MOTION CARRIID
LfI�,IJ�7�7S� -
Mr. Barna stated that sinoe there was neighborhood abjectioal, this would go to
the City Co�cil on August 8.
APPEAIS CUM�I.iSSION MEErING, JULY 19, 1988 PAGE 13
Upon the fourth petitioner's request and the approval of the third petitianer,
IIA E�gineering, it�n 4 was maved to it�em �3.
3. OONSIDERATION.OF VARIANCE REQUEbZ', VAR #88-19, BY JAY B. WEST:
Pursuant to Section 205.07.03.D, 3,(a), of the Fridley C.ity Code to reduce the
rear yard setback fran 30 feet to 28 1/2 feet to allaw the coa�struction of a
screen porch on Lot 2, Block 4, Rioe Creek Estates, the san�e being 6180 Benjami.n
Str�et N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Sherek, seconded by Ms. Savage, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VO'T'E, ALL VO'rING AYE, CH�IRPER.SON BARNA DDCI� THE PUBLIC HEAiZIlQG
OPEN AT 9:35 P.M.
Chairpersari Barna read the Ac�ninistrative Staff Report:
ALIMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
6190 Benjamin Street N.E.
VAR #88-19
. ; . . . � � ti�• �� : • • �• � i�
Section 205.07.03.D,(3)�,(a), requires a rear yard depth to be not less
than twenty-five peY�ent (25$) of the lot depth.
Public purpose sexved by this requi.r�nt is to pravide rear yan3 space
to be used for green areas which enhance the neighborhood.
Y� a� ►• •�� �•
"The roan we want needs to be 12 ft. miniimIIn (r�t 10 1/2 ft. ) to acooamiodate
our needs as a young family of 5. We need the size, too, for the frequent
entez-taining we enjoy cbing. ��
C. ADMINISTRF�TIVE STAF'F REVIEW:
The Code states that the rear yard requirement for leaving space is 25�
of lot depth, not more than 40 feet or a minurn.an of 25 feet. This request
is to reduoe the rear yard to 28.5 ft. which is less than 25� of the depth
of the lot (120 feet).
If the Appeals Cam�ti.ssion apprvves this request, the staff has no stipulations
to suggest.
Mr. Clark stated the petitioner's property was located one block south of
Briardale Rc�ad on Benjamin Street. Just to the east'of the praperty (rear yard)
there was a city park with a 20 foot wal.lcway easement (part of the outlot for
the park)� also aaned by the City, so the dimensio� fran Mr. West's rear property
line tA the side line of the h� was an ac�di.tianal 20 feet. He stated
the petitioner vTanted to build a 12 ft. by 16 ft. addition.
�'PF�i� �'aSSICN N�TING, Jt�,Y 19, I988 PAC� 14
Dr. Vos stated he was trying to defi.ne the hardship a little Trore. He stated the
rear prvperty line they woere talking about was actually a city walkway, not an
adjavent property (house).
Mr. Barna stated �at all the lots 1-7 in this block w�ere at 120 ft. , whereas
the houses across the street ori lots 17-22 were about 124 feet deep. �e ass�mp-
tion oould be mac�e that the walkway a�d the width of the park reduoed the depths
of lots 1- 7 by about 4 feet. �ese lots were actually the shallaaest in the
neighborhood. If this lot was a nornnal lot c3epth for the neic��borhood, no varianoe
would be required for this size of an additioai. �he hardship was that the lat was
shortened when it was platted.
Mr. Barna stated that in the agenc7a were two letters fran rneic�i}�ors stating no
objection to the varianoe as requested.
M7I'ICN by Dr. Vos, seoonded by Mr. Sherek, to reveive letters frcm Lynn Nbkita,
6190 Benjamin St., and Kathy Divine, 6170 Benj�nin St., stati.ng they had no
objection to the West's building a por� and leaving a rear yard of 28 1/2 feet.
L]PCN A WICE VO'PE, ALL WTING AYE, C�iA2RPERSCN BARNA DE� THE N10TION CARRIED
UNANIMOi.JSLY .
M�ION by Mr. Sherek, seoorided by Mr. Kuedzle, to close the public hearing.
iJPQJ A VOICE VO�I'E, ALL VOTING AYE, Q3AIRPER.SON BAFd�11� I�CZ,ARED THE PUBLIC HEARIl�IG
Q,06ID .�T 9: 45 P. M.
NJnICN by N�. Sherek, seooalded by Ms. Savac�e, to approve varianoe request,
VAR 88^19, by Jay B. West, pursuant tA Section 205.07.03.D,(3),(a), of the
Fridl�y City O�de to reduoe the rear yard setback fmn 30 feet to 28 1/2 feet
to allow the wnstruction of a screen pordz on Iat 2, Block 4, Rice Creek Fstates,
the sa�ne being 6180 Benj �nin Street N. E.
Mr. Sherek stated the purpose served by the requirement for the rear yard spaoe
was for green areas whidz enha¢�oe the neighbo�ood. There was no abjecti�
fran the neic�borriood, and there will still be adequate green spaoe with the
20 ft. walJ4aay. He thought the spirit of the c�oc�e was definitely being met.
Zhe other �nissioners agreed.
L�('JN A VOICE Vt7I.�, ALL VOTING AYE, CEIP,IRPERS(X�i BAF�NA DEC�ARID � NIC7I'ION CARR�D
UNANIM�ISLY .
4. OONSI�TIGN C�' A VARIANCE i7EQUF5T, VAR #88-1$, BY EIA ENGINEERING & BELT
LINE OOISSTRUCI'ION:
Pursuant to Section 205. �.8.03. C. af the Fridley City Code to inGrease the
requirec� maxim�an 1,at ooverage fn�n 40� to 49.5$; p�suant to Section �
205.18.05.D, (5) ,(d) , of the Fridley City Qode to rec�uoe the required mini�mun
hard s�faae setback frcm the main building frcm 5 feet to 0 feet; pursuant
to Section 205.18. 05. D, (5) ,(b) , of the Fridley City Oode to reduoe the required
hard surfaa� setback fran the side lot line from 5 feet to 1 foat; pursuant to
Section 205.18.05.D, (4) ,(b) , of the Fridley City Ca3e to rec�uoe the width of
the one-way driving aisle fran 18 feet to 10 feet; pursuant to Section 205.18.05.A
APPEAIS Q��SSIaN NE�'I'iNG, J[JLY 19, 1988 PAC� 15
of the FYidley C�ty Ooc3e to rec�uoe the required rnanbex of parking spaoes frcm
103 spaoes t�o 76 spaves; and pursua¢�t to Section 205.18.03. D.2 af the FYidley
City Oode to reduoe �e min.i.m�n required side yard setback fran 30 feet to 25
feet, to allaa the oazstruction of additi�al wa�eha�se and offioe spaoe,
located on Lot-s 3 and 4, Blodc 3, East Randz Estates, the saate beir�g 7770
RandzeYS R�ad.
M7i'ICN by Ms. Savage, seoocided by Mr. Sherek, to waive the fonnal reading of
the public hearing notioe and t� open the public hearing.
t�tv A wicaE w�rE, �, w�rnvc �, a��sc�r s� nECr� � r�rzaa c�m
iNANIMOiSLY, AND � PUBLIC HEARING QPIIV AT 9: 47 P. M.
Qiaizperson Barna read the Ac�ministrative Staff Report:
A�N[aTI.SI4tATIVE STAF� REFaRT
777 0 Iianctiers Road N. E.
VAR �88-18
A. uLie �sE �vm sY x�u�n�xr:
Section 205.18.03.0 requ�res a maximim► percent of an area of a lot
allowed to be oovered by the aain build.ir�g arri all accessory sir�gle story
buildings to rnt ex�ceed 40$.
Public pui�o�e served by this requirement is to prwide adequate open
sp3ce areas ar�ur�d industri.al structures for aesthetic arid fire fighting
purposes. .
Sectio� 205.18.05.D, (5), (d�, requires all parkir�g arid hard surface areas
to be rn closer than 5 feet fram the aein buildir�g.
Public pu�o�e sexved by this requir�ent is to protect the building fran
unr�ecessary aaintenarre due to vehicles hitting the building.
Section 205.18.OS.D, (5), �), requires all parking ar�d hard surface areas
to be m closer than 5 feet fran any side lot lir�e.
Public gu�ose seived by this requir�ent is to prwide adequate open
space areas around ir�dustrial structures fo�r aesthetic ar�d fire fighting
purp�ses. •
Sectian 205.18.05.D, (4), W), requires a minim�m drivir�g aisle width o� 18
feet fc� or�e--way traffic.
Public gupose se=ved by this reqiurenent is to provide adequate space
fo� vehicular ar�venent.
Section 205.18.OS.A allows a z�eductioai ia perking stalls in the p��vvisiai
of space raquired for parking stalls dwe to the particular rature of the
pro�posed use, a� ather considerations would be a necessazy hardship.
Adequate apen spaoe shall be provided to satisfy the total nianber of
required parkir,g stalls.
APPF�ALS �SSIaN NEEI'II�1G, JULY �9 , 19 88 PAC£ 16
Public purpose served by this requirment is to provide sufficient
off-street parking f� any Qiven use.
Sectioai 205.18.03.D.2 requires a minuman side yard setback of 30 feet
where a driveway is to be prwided.
Public gul�ose seived by this requirement is to provide adequate apen
s�ce areas araur�d iridustrial structures for aesthetic ar�d fire fighting
purposes.
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R� additional square footage for storage, material harY3lirg, adjacent
p�apeerty vwner will rnt aell o� lease." -
C. AII�IISPRATIVE SI'AF�' RLV�n1:
Tt�e petitioner, �FLO �5ngir�eerirx3, is requesting several variar�ces in �er
to e�r�d their warehouse facilities. In the past, the petitioner has
aade similar z�equests. A variance was granted in 1983 to increase the
aaxim�n lot oavezage for an industrial building fran 40$ to 45.5$ to
allav for the o�nstruction,o�f a 8,775 square foot additio�. In 1987, the
petitiomer was granted a variar�ce which would ac�ain irrz�ease the maximiun
lot owerage f�c�an 40$ to 46.5$ fo� a 1, O10 equare foot additiosi.
IIA Engineering withdrew their previaus variance requests (VAR #88-13 )
because they were urable to lease the south 65 feet of the property to
the rnrth. These requests were apprwed by the Appeals Cc�nunission on
June 14, 1988, but apprwal was contingent upon obtaining a lease
agregnent with the p�roperty owner to the north. Because of this, IIA
Engir�eerir�g is requesting several m�re vari.ances be �anted.
In o�der to allow for the construction of a 4,860 sq. ft. warehouse
addition and a 2,700 sq. ft. office addition, the petitioner has
requested a variarice which wrn�ld allaw the maximiun lot coverage for an
industrial building to be increased from 40$ to 49.5$. As stated
earlier, the petitioner has had two similar requests apprwed in the
past. The petitioner's hardship states that more space is needed for
storage material handling due to the growth of the canpany. Staff
disagrees with the valid.ity o� this hardsYup because it was not created
by the lar�d, but was created by the busir�ess itself.
The seoor,d variar,ce request is to z�eduoe the required 5 foot hard surfaoe
set�ck fran the main buil.ding fram 5 feet to 0 feet. If the petitioner
did prwine the 5 foot hard susfar�e s+etY�ck, an adequate driveway width
of 25 feet a�uTd rro�t be pz�avided, which in turn wauld decrease the rnmber
of parkir�g spec�es the petiti�er wuld pzwide.
Zhe petitia�er is requesting a variance be granted to reduce the hard
surface seth3ck fran the side lot lir,e fran 5 feet to 1 fo�t. Along the
western property lir�e, the 1 foot setback is necessary far the petitioner
to install adequate parking spaces. Please note that although this
seth3ck does allaa the petitio�er to install pa�king spaces which meet
the oode requirenents, the oae- way parking aisle does �t.
APPEALS OaI�+II�'�SSI(N NEET�NG, JULY �9, 1988 PAGE 17
A variar�ce to zeduce the width o� a oz�e-way driveway ai sle f rom 18 f eet
to 10 feet is being requested. An aisle of this width wrn�ld be a� safety
hazard to the building itself, vehicles, and people. This 10 foot
driveway aisle does not prc�vide adequate space for vehicles driving
thraugh ar�d 2�ackirbg out o� the parking stalls.
Rl�e fifth variar�ce request by the petitior,er is to reduce the ntanber of
reguired stalls fram 103 spaces to 76 spaces. According to the site
plan, the petitior�er could provide 83 spaces with tarrZen parkir�g. i�rden
parkir�g does create pznUlens with traffic flow. Cars oould be "trapped"
in by other cars, prai�ubitirig a person to leave. -
The variar�ce to z�educe the minim�n sid�e yard setback where a driveway is
pn7vided fran 30 feet to 25 feet is necessazy because it includes a
portioa� of the building that is already built. ZY�e r�ew additicm would be
alic,�ned with this existing building. The driveway would be used for
lcading ar�d ia,loading a�terials on to trucks.
Staff reoanner,ds denial of these variance requests for the follaving
reasons:
1. �e pr�oposed parking arrangenent arri traf f ic f laa create
• a haza�us situation which would result in buildir�g
ciamage, vehicle cianr3ge, ar�d persoral inpiuy.
2. II�0 Eingineering o�uld vacate the facilities which mic�it
allaa f� a busir�ess with a hi�er parkirx3 dena� to mwe
in. This, again, wvuld create a parking situatian the City
does mt want.
3. It is obviaus that IID E�gineering is out��aaing the facilities
� available at the site. If they oontirnie to graa, a�a site
wvuld be r�eoessary ar�d the peti tioner would mwe, which lmves
the City with a vacant building ar�d rn oontrol of what busir�ess
ar,d uses o�uld mwe in. The hir,h percent of lot ooverage oould
then be detrimental to the pi��vperty.
N�. Clark stated F�0 II�gineering came before the Appeals �nnission on Jime 14
with a varianoe requ�est in �der to expand their warehouse and offioe facilities.
At that time, the Catunission a�proved the variances., but in re�nding �proval
of the reduction in parking stalls, had stipulated that the property aarier lease
or purdzase 65 feet of ac�cliti�al land fran the prvperty to the north for additional
parking. At this time, IIIJ �ras back befoxe the C.a►anission because they had been
unable to lease ar purdzase any additional propesty fran the vacant lat to the
narth.
Mr. Owczarzak stated the property owr�er to the north was n�t williux� to sell or
lease any pivperty. He was wil].ing tc� giv+e then pexmission to build a parkir�g
lot with � guarar�s.
Mr. C1ark stated the differenae betwee.n this varianoe req�est and the varianoe
request heard at the June 14th meeting was primarily that EID has put in sane
parking alorig the w�est property line angled into the property at the w�est.
Becsuse the petitioner fee]s that sinoe this is "esnplay�ee parking aily" in this
APPEALS aQNIl�SSICN ��EPING, JULY 19, 1988 PAC� 18
area, he was haping he vould tandem park the cars because all the cars basically
oarn and leave at the saQne time.
Mr. Clark stated the loading dc�ck in the back discussed at the last meeting would
not occur tmder this n�a plan as it was no lo�ger needed. Zhere wauld be parallel
parking badc there.
Mr. Sackrisca� stated that with the tandem parkir�g, they would have 12 m�re parki�
spaves for a tiatal of 88 instead of 76.
Nh�. Clark stated the decision has to be made naa whether the building is going
to be too big witfi these additions for the lot and whether the parking is ever
goirg tA be a prablem if it is reduced daan fn�n the �,; red 103 spaoes.
Mr. Barna stated the oonoern he had at the last meeting was the future use of
this building and the need for parking stalls in the future, because there was no
guarantee ELO was going to be on this property forever. He stated that ather than
lot 2, there was nr� plaoe for any mo�re e�ansicn and no plaoe for any off-site
paricing. He stated they can say tY�ey do not want the building to go over the lot
peroentage, but there was also the possibility that sa�day this building might
be a warehouse and not need any m�re parking spaoe. So, he had a hard time
aPP�ing these variances.
Mr. Sackrison stated that really Mr. Owczarzak does not need the additional parkir�g,
but it is required by the City.
Dr. Vos stated that I,aNia� was granted a varianae to reduve their parking stall
widths fonn 10 ft. to 9 ft, for e�loyee p�arking.
Mr. C1ark stated that ELO oauld probably pick up anather 8-10� in parking sp�aoes
if they were to rec�uoe the stall width fran 10 ft. to 9 ft.
Mr. Sackrison stated they wnuld prefer nat to reduoe the width of the parking
stalls.
Mr. Owczarzak stated when they iirst got into the sheet metal busir�ess, they
bui.lt parts and shipped th�n. Naa they are bui.lding ocx�lete units, all the
internal parts and the frames, and asse�rbling the parts and shipping them.
�e reasoai they are running out of rocan was because they have to carry a larger
inventozy of parts. It was the style of manufacturing going cn naw that is
h�ting ti�m.
Dr. Vos stated he still thought IIA Engineering was one of the nicest lookinq
businesses ori that end of toHm. He did not agree with staff saying that EIA
might �ve out leaving the City with a vacant building and no control over the
business and uses that �zld go in. He stated that oould be true of any
petiticner requesting a varianae, a�d that was no reasan to deny a varianoe.
Mr. Clark stated that, aesthetically, the property w�ould loak basically the same.
ZYie oniy big problem is the parking.
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+ APPEALS 0.'k'Il�SSIOiN ME�TING, JULY 39, I988 PA(� 19
Mr. Barna stated that with the eoc�ncsny the way it is, it was hard to say what
businesses are going to be like 10-15 years frccn naw. If EIA were ever to move
aut, with that size of a buildirig, he c�ould see it divided and sublet i_nto at
least 3 separate businesses.
MJ�I'ICN by l�. Sherek, sevo�ded by Mr. Kwedzle, to close the public hearing.
t)PCN A WICE Wri�, ALL Vt7I'ING AYE, Q�AIRPERSCN BAl�1A 1�CCARED � PL�LIC HEARING
Ct�06ID AT 10:07 P.M.
Nis. Savage stated she thought this property was an asset to the City of Fridley
in the way it is maintained and the way it is l�ocated. It was a business that
was not bothering any neic�Uors, and they are txying to be very c�pe.rative with
the City. EID has tried its best to solve the parking problem, and she thought
the City shauld now help them in any way possi.ble to solve these prablems.
Mr. Kuedzle stated he found the ladc of parkir�g spaoes bothersoare, but he faund
it equally bothersome to deny tlze variances for such a good business in Fridley.
Dr. Vos stated he thaught it was rather ironic that a churdz is getting by with
8 spao�es aa�d here they are aryuing c7ver 10 3 versus 76 spaoes . He stated he was
supportive of all the varianoes requested.
Nh�. Barna stated he agreed. He oould sy�athize with staff's o�ncern abrnit having
adequate parking for the square tootage of the building, but he auuld also foresee
that if the business were to fail, sinve this was presently vwnerioccupied, the
building oould be split iritA three builclings, and there would be different proble�.
M7rI0N by Nls. Savage, sec�nded by Mr. Kuedzle, to reoannend to City Council
approval of varianoe request, VAR #88-18, by EIA �gineering & Belt Line
Construc�tion, pursuant tro Section 205.18. 03. C of the Fridley City C,ode to iriGrease
the required maxim�m► lot �verage fran 40� to 49.5�; pursuant to Secticn
205.18. O5. D, (5} ,(dj , of the �idley City Code to reduoe the required minim�n
hard surfaae setback fran the main building from 5 feet to 0 feet; pursuant tr�
Secti� 205.18. 05. D, (5) ,(b) , of the Fridley City Cade to redu�e the required
hard s�faoe setback fYrn► the sic3e lot lir�e fran 5 feet to 1 foot; pursuant to
Sectiacz 205.18. 05. D, ( 4) ,(b) , of the Fridley City Qode to reduve the width of the
one-way driving aisle fmn 18 feet to 10 feet; pursuant to Section 205.18.05.A
of the Fridley C�ty Code to reduoe the required rnuciber of parking spaves fran
103 spaces to 76 spaoes; pursuant to Section 205.18.03.D.2 of the Fridley City
Code to reduoe the minim,�n required side yard setback frcm 30 feet to 25 feet,
with no stipillations, ta allaw the ocnstructiai of additional wareh�use and offioe
spaoe, located on Ints 3 and 4, Bloc)c 3, East Ranch Fstates, the same being
7770 Ranchers R�ad.
i�CN A VOIC� VD'I�, ALL ilO�I�TG AYE, Q�IRPERSCJrT BrA1d�IA I�Q�ARED � ND'IZCN Q�,FtRIID
UNANIN�LY.
Mr. Ba�ia stated this itsn woul,d go to City Qouncil c� Augtis� 8.
APPEAIS �'Il�SSIC[�1 PEETING, JULY 19, 1988 PA(� 20
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Ni�ICN by Mr. Kuedzle, seoonded by D�. Vos, to adjourn the meeting. Llpo� a voive
vate, all vating aye, QZairperson Barna declared the July 19, 1988, Appeals
C.atmissian meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
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CITY QF FRIDLEY
APPEALS 0.'IMNIISSIC[J NEETING, AUGC�ST 2, 1988
C'AT•T• TO ORLIER:
Ghairperson Barna called the August 2, 1988, Appeals Oamnission meeting to order
at 7:33 p.m.
ROLL C�1I.S.,:
l��ers Present: Alex Barna, Jerry Sherek, Diane Savage
Members Absent: Kenneth Vos, I�rzy Kuedzle
Others Present: Derrel Clark, Q1�ef �uilding Official
Karen Amold, C�an Corporation
Vergil Florhaug, Construction Analyses Ni�nagement
Thcsnas & Sandra Kallroos, 1466 Onondaga Street N.E.
APPROVAL OF ,7L7LY 19, 1988, APPEAIS Q'��SSIpN NaNtTI'F5:
M7I'IC[�I by M,. Savage, seoonded by Nr. Sherek, to apprwe the July 19, 1988, Appeals
CU .�srnus iori minutes as written.
LTPC�1 A VOICE W►I�, AI�L VOTING AYE, Q�ZRPII2SON BAl�1A DECLARED THE D�7PIOi1 CARRIID
iJNANINDL�LY.
1. CCNSII.�E2P,TION OF A VARIANCE RDQUEST, VAR #88-20, BY ONAN O�RpORATION:
Parsuant t� Section 205.03.55 of the Fridley City Oode to reduve the size of a
parking stall frcxn ten (10) feet wide by twenty (20) feet lcng to nine (9)
feet wide by eighteen (18) feet larig to allow the existing parking lot striping
to remain, located ori Sectiari 12, Township 30, Range 24, that part of the south-
east on�quarter lying nartheasterly of a line parallel with and 50-feet north-
easterly of the follaaing described lin�e: Beginning at a point on the west line
of said arie-quarter, 942.27 feet north of south arie-quarter corner thereof; thenoe
southeasterly curving t.o tihe south, 29 minutes 42 seoo�ds, 1496.24 feet; thenoe
southeasterly 1207 feet t� a point on the south line of said one-quarter 125.1
feet west of the sau�east vorner thereof and there terminating, subject to ease-
�nt of rewrd, the sa¢ne being 1400 - 73rd Av�nue N.E.,Fridley, Nlinnesota 55432
M7�ICN by NL�. Savage, se�nded by Mr. Sherek, to apen the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VO►.�E, ALL VCIrING AYE, QiP,IRPERSGN B�Ai3�1A DEC�ARED ZHE PUBLIC HEARING
OP�1 AT 7:35 P.M.
Qzaizperscm Barna read the Ac�ninistrative Staff Report:
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APPEALS ��SSICN MEErING, AUC�IST 2, 1988 PAC� 2
�ISTRAT�E STAFF RE�RP
1400 - 73Yd Ave�e N.E. . _
VAR #88-20
X. ABLIC AJRFOSE SEI31ID BY R'q�UIIt'F�NTs
Section 205.03.55 requires a parking stalt to be ten (lu) feet wide by
bwenty (20) feet long to store or�e (1) autcmobile which has access to a
public street or nght-of-way or alley and which permits access arxi
�g�r�ess of an autanc�ile. Where a parkir�g stalt abuts a curb or sid�aalk,
the lengt2i nay be reduced to eighteen (18) feet.
Public purpose served b�► this requiranent is to provide adequate roo�►
between v�i.cles.
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1. 150 stalls wauld be lost it the restripirig was requiz�edt
2. The rature af the busir�ess is such that trafric in the lot nainly
occurs at the shif t char�ge;
3. Zlze lot was just restriped in 19�6-87t
4. (�rs are s�aller ar�d therefore do �t need a 10 foot wide space.
C. ADMIN�STRATNE S'PAF'F RB� �T:
Or�an Corporation, the petitioner, is r�equestirx3 a variance for the size
reduction of the required parkin9 lot stall from 10' x 20' to 9' x 18'
for stalls r�t abuttir�g a cu� or side�ralk. Stalts that do abut a cuz�
or sid�aalk will be reduced f iam 10' x 18' to 9' x 18' .'The parki ng lot
is cuzz�ently striped with 9' x 18' stalts.
Appro�cimately 150 stalls would be lost it the parking lot was restriped
to oode requirenents. This would cause a parki� shorta9e for the 1, 60U
(3 shi.tts) Oran e�layees. Trafric mainly occurs in the parkiru3 lot
during emplvyee siuft cYiange and in the designated custaner/visitor
parking. Restriping could cause averflow parking in the adjacent
residential districts.
Staff recom�nends approval of this variance with the following
stipulati�:
1. Qistamer/visitor parki� to be striped with 10' x 20' or 10' x 18'
stalls.
, APPEALS C�A'I.TSSION N�'rING, AIK�JST 2, 1988 PAGE 3
Mr. Clark stated he had shawn the Camlissianers a 1- 100 scale plot plan of the
entire Onan site shaaing the existing building as vaell as the existing parking lots.
The only visitor lot was in th�e upper left hand oorner of th�e property.
Mr. Clark stated the City has received similar requests fro�nn at least tw� other
facilities--Unity Hospital and I�aMaur, Inc. In both cases, variances were grant,ed
for 9 ft. parking stalls with visitor parking kept at 10 ft.
Ms. Savage asked why the parking lot was striped at 9 ft. x 18 ft. stalls which
is not city aode.
Mr. Clark stated he could anly speculate, but he thouc,�t m4st striping contractors
stripe 9 ft. wide stalls, because 95$ of the oocmiunities in the metropolitan area
have 9 ft. wide stalls as standard.
Mr. Florhaug stated the striping at Onan has been standard at 9 ft. x 18 ft. for
many years. Each time the parking lots are updated, cleaned up, sealooated, and
restriped, they have been restriped at the same size they have always been. Onan
has never had any striging at 10 ft. x 20 ft.
Ms. Arnold stated the original striping was done in 1967 when Onan was built.
Mr. Sherek asked why Onan was naw requesting a variance for 9 ft. stalls.
Ms. Arnold stated Onan is planning to add a small structure to their technical
oenter. 4dzen Kathy Castle, Planning Assistant, visited the site, she noticed that
the stalls were striped at 9 ft. and suggested Onan apply for the variance.
Mr. Barna asked if the visitor paY�cing was designated as such so that visitors
oaning into the lot knew where to park.
Ms. Arnold stated the visitor parking was clearly marked. It was the first park-
ing lot right off 73rd Way.
Mr. Clark stated staff was suggesting that the visitor parking be restriped to
10 ft. x 20 ft. or 10 ft. x 18 ft. He stated if this restriping is done, it will
reduce the visitor stalls fran 40 stalls to 36 stalls.
Mr. Sherek asked if this reduction in vi.sitor parking stalls wr�uld be a problem.
Ms. Arrbld stated it would not.
Mr. Barna stated that all the visitor paY�sing was up against the curb, so 10 ft.
by 18 ft. stalls would meet oode.
MUTION by Mr. 5herek, seconded by rLs. Savage, to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VO'I'E, ALL WTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BARNA DDCI,F� THE PUBLIC HEARING
C�ASID AT 7:45 P.M.
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APPEALS CC[�M�IISSION N1EE.TING, ALIGUST 2, 1988 PAGE 4 �
Ms. Savage stated she wnuld be in fawr of recanreriding to City Council appraval
of this variance. A precedent has been set in that t�a�o other facilities were
granted variances for 9 ft. wide parking stalls. The alternative seem�ed vaorse
than the current situation in that emplayees could be parking in residential areas
with the reduction of 150 parking stalls . Tt�e striping was existing, and it did
not seem harnnful to the city to a71aw the 9 ft. stalls to rgnain.
Mr. 5herek stated he would also be in favor of reoam�ending approval of the
varianoe. He stated the par3cing lots do get quite full, and he did n4t see any
reason to require Onan to reduce their parking spaoes.
Mr. Barna stated he has stat�eci in the past that in Mirinesota, once winter comes
and the snaw falls, the striping disappears and becac�es meaningless. He had no
objectiari to allawing Onan tA o�ntinue with the 9 ft. stalls whic3l currently exist.
MCnION by Ms• Savage, seo�nded by A'ir• Sherek. to re�nd to City Council approval
of variance request, VAR #88-20, by Onan Corporata-an. Pur'suant to Sect�an 205.03.55
of the Fridley City Code to reduoe the size of a parking stall from ten (10) feet
wide by twenty (20 ) feet long to nine (9 ) feet wide by eic,�teen (18 ) f t. long to
allow the existing parking lot striping to ranai.n, at 1400 - 73rd Avenue N.E.
with the stipulation that the visitor parking stalls be restriped to ten (10)
feet by eight.een (18) feet.
UPON A VOICE VC)TE, ALL WTING AYE, CHAIRPF�t.SQN BARNA D� Ti� MOTION CARR�D
UNANIl�ICxJSLY.
Mr. Barna stated this it�em would go to City Council on August 22.
2. CONSIDERATION OF A VARIANCE R�QUEST, VAR # 88-21, BY TH(NII�S KAId�t00S :
Pursuant to Section 205.07.O1.B, 1), of the Fridley City Code to increase the
total floor area of all acoessozy buildings fran 1,400 sq. ft. to 1,868 sq. ft.
to allaw the oonstructian of a third accessory building because the total floor
area of all acoessory buil:dings shall mt exoeed 1,400 sq. ft. in a residential
zoaze; and pursuant to Section 205.07.O1.B,(4), of the Fridley City Code to
increa.se the squar�e footage of an acoessory building fran 1,000 sq. ft. to
1,196 sq. ft., located on Lot 22, except the west 85 feet, Auditor's S�bdivision
No. 129,.the same being 1466 Onondaga Street N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Sherek, seoonded by Ms. Savage, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOrI*E, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPg2SON BARL�IA D�CLARID TI� PUBLIC HEAR.ING
OPII�1 AT 7:49 P.M.
Cha;*�rson Barna read the Ac�iinistrative Staff Report:
APPEAI�S �ISSION MEErING, ALKZJST 2, 1988 PAGE 5
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1466 Ornr�daga Street N. E.
VAR #88-21
A. P[BLIC PURP�SE SE1d�ID BY R$2UIRII�Tr:
Section 205.Or1.O1.B, (1) requires the total floor .area of all accessory
buildirgs to mt E�oceed 1,40U square feet.
Public puipose served b� this requira�eent is to elimir�ate the condition
of overcrawding in residential ar�s.
Section 205.07.O1.B, (4), (a) requires the equare footage of an accessory
build.ing to rnt esaceed 100� of the first floor area of the c�velling unit
or a imximtan of 1, 000 square feet.
Public purpose served b� this requi renent is to maintain the residential
quality of the neighborhood by limitir�g the size af accessory structures.
B. STATID HAF�.SHIP:
"StArage for boat, bikes, sr�ownxabile, lawn furniture, mowers, wood hobby
shap. Have to mwe shap f ran ba sanent because af ny family' s a l l ergi es ,
astY�a. Also, I feel the size of the lot Z have would make a
dif f erer,ce--85 f t. b� 3 00 f t. deep.
C. A�MIAIIS'TRAT�I E SPAFF RE� �V:
The peti tioner' s pro�erty is 80 f eet wide arr3 301 f eet deep arri conta i ns
in excess of 24, 000 sq. ft. He presently has a two car attached garage
ar�d a 12 ft. b� 16 ft. storage shed with a total of 6�/2 sq. ft. He would
�w like to build a large 26 ft. b� 46 ft. garage to house his personal
praperty ar�d also space for a s�wp that he mw has in his basement.
In addition to these variance requests, he has also applied for a speci.al
use pernut for mr�re than one accessory building which will be heard by
the Planning Co�nunission on August lU, 19t�l3. If he is allowed to
construct this r�ew c,�rage, his total lot ooverage wi11 be abrnit 13$.
If the Ap�ls Catmission approves this request, it s,hould be stipulated
that it is contingent upon City Council approval of the special use
permit.
Mr. Clark stated that Lot 28 has been split so the 73 1/2 Avenue cul-de-sac dces
not extend as far as the petitioner's lot (Lot 29) , and there was no way of
knowing if it ever would. He stated there were apartment buildings an Lots
23 and 25 (fronting on 73rd Avenue) �ich pretty w�ell restricted double frontage
lots for Lots 22, 24, and 26.
Mr. Clark stated the petitioner presently has a two car garage (24 ft. x 20 ft.),
a 16 ft. x 12 ft. existing shed, and Y�e would like tro build a 26 ft. x 46 ft.
building. The petitioner was in oode oonplianoe without the proPosed building,
because he was allawed to have twr� acoessory buildings, provic�ed the seo�nd one
does not exoeed 240 sq. ft. Because of the third building, he must also apply
for a special use permit. Because all these buildings added together exceed 1,400
sq. ft. and the largest building exoeeds 1,000 sq. ft., the petitioner needs
variances to do �at he wants to do.
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APPEALS CQ�M'LZSSION N�rING, AUGUST 2, 1988 PAGE 6
Mr. Clark stated that prior to the variance application, he had discussed with
Mr. Kallroos the r�eed for such a large building. He stated it was a big lot,
about twice the depth of a norn�al lot, so lot cdverage was not a wnsideration
at all. It was his understanding the building would be one-story and would meet
the heic�t require�nents. The exterior would match the exterior of the house.
Mr. Barna`stated the proposed building was shc�m set back 30 ft. froan th�e rear
lot line. If the lot was ev�er split, would the 30 ft. setback meet a front yard
setback for the new lot?
Mr. Clar�c stated 25 ft. wnuld be used for street, whidz would mean that the
building would only be 5 ft. off the 50 ft. rightrof-way, so it would not meet any
requireqrents for frant yard setl�acks. In order tA locate the buiiding an the lot
if the lot were ev�er split and tl�e proper setback was used, it wauld have tA be
set back 60 ft. fro�n the rear property line.
Mrs. Kallroos stated she did r�t ]�yow hbw the street could ever go through because
of the apartment bui.ldings back there.
Mr. Sherek stated he believ�ed the discussian has always been of extending the
street to the apartsnent buildings and then exiting past the apartznent buildings
onto 73rd Avenue. He did not think there w�ere any plans that included Mr. Kallroos'
ProPert�' •
Ms. Savage asked about the hardship.
Mrs. Kallroos stated that within the last few years, she has developed allergies
and asthma. 5he must take shots and use a.breathalizer. 5he is very allergic
to wood dust, and woodworking is her husband's hobby. Their son also has allergies,
so the w�ooc�rking must be m�v�ed out of the hause .
Ms. Savage asked why the petitioner needed such a large building.
Mr. Kallroos stated he would like to get as big a building as he can.
Mrs. Kallroos stated they have a boat and srxx�mxabile, an extra car, and other
ec�uigrent, plus the wooc�Arking shop. They would like to store these things
inside rather than having to leave them outsic�e.
Mr. Kalliroos stated that regarding the exterior of the buildinq, his Y�ouse was
r�u� oedar and the riew buiTding w�uld be irou� fir. He stated he would also be
putting up a privacy fenoe.
Mr. Kallzvos stated he had a letter fran his nei.ghbor at 1434 Omndaga who had
no abjections to the new building.
MO►rION by Ms. Savage, sev�nded by Mr. 5herek, to receive the letter fro�n►
Harriet Hjort, 1434 Ornndaga Street, stating she had no abjectian to the additional
accessozy building proposed by Mr. Kalliroos.
UPON A VI�ICE VO�I�, AI�, VOTING AYE, CE�IRPg2.SaN BARNF� DDCI�FiID Tf� NNIQTION CARRI�U
UNP,NIl�7CXJSLY .
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Mr. Kallroos stated his other neighbor also did not cabject to the building, and
he would hav�e that lettex available at the Planning Co�mussion on August 10.
Ms. Savage stated she was just c�noerned about the size of tl�e n�ew builcling. It
was practically as big as the house.
N10►�I�i by Mr. Sherek, se�nded by Ms. Savage, to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOR'E, ALL VO2ING AYE, CF�,IRPER.SON BAFti� DF]C�RID TI� PUHLIC HE1�IRING
CLOSID AT 8:05 P.M.
Mr. Sherek stat.ed he was in favor of granting the varianoe. The public pi�poses
served by the oode requirements w�re to eluninate the condition of overcrawcling
in residential areas and to maintain the residential quality of the neighborhood
by limiting the size of acoessozy structures. He stated he felt this was a special
situation with this lot. The ha�lsr.ip by itself did not necessarily degn that a
building of this size was necessary, but he did not think it would cause any
prabl�. The lot was very large, and the new building would be next to the
apartment buildi.ng garages. The building would riot loak like such a large building
i.n �arison to the garages.
Mr. Barna stated this was not the first time a huge garage was built in the City
of Fridley. He stated some lazge garages loak out of place and scme do not--it
depended upon the plac�nent and the design. In this particular instance, it would
not look aut of place. He found the harc�ip, asthma and allergies to wood dust,
to be a viable hardship. T'here wr�uld be no driveway to th�e building, and the
back yard wuuld be landscaped. He felt granting the variance w�uld still be in
keeping with the intent of tYre code.
Ms. Savage stated she still had soane reluctance with this request because she
felt extra lan�e accessory buildings can tend to aesthetically spoil the residential
character of a neighborhood. However, she o�uld understand the petitioner's reason
for wanting such a large building. SYye stated she had been persuaded by her fellaw
oo�nissioners that the spixit of the code would still be met. The large lot was
an in�ortant factor in this case. 5he wuld clearly understand the hax�dship that
has been descri.bed, and she would vot�e in favar of the variance.
MO►I'ION by Mr. Sherek, seconded by Ms. Savage, to approve varianoe request,
VAR #88-21, by Thanas Kallroos, pursuant to Sectian 205.07.O1.B,(1) of the
Fridley City Code to increase the total floor area of all accessory buildings
fran 1,400 sq. ft. to 1,868 sq ft. to allaw the oonstruction of a third accessozy
building; and pursuant to Sectian 205.07.O1.B,(4), of the Fridley City Code to
increase the square footage of an acoessozy building from 1,000 sq. ft. to 1,196
sq. ft., located on Lot 22, exoept the west 85 feet, Auditor's Slabdivision No. 129,
the san�e being 1466 Onondaga Street N.E., with the stipulation that the variance
was vontingent upon City Council approval of the special use pe�nit.
UPON A VOICE VO'1'E, AI� VOTING AYE, Q�IRPERSON BARNA DDCLARID TI� MQTION CARRIID
UNAN7MWSZY.
Mr. Barna stated this item would cp to City Coun�cil on Auc�ust 22.
APPEALS C(�1NiISSION N�E.TING, AUC�JST 2, 1988 PAGE 8
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M(nION by Mr. Sherek, seoonded by Ms. Savage, to adjourn the nleeting. Upon a
voioe vote, a11 voting aye, Chairpersoa� Bar'na declared the August 2, 1988,
Appeals Cam�dssioai meeting adjaurned at 8:15 p.m.
Respectfully su�n�tted,
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Recording Secretary
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FRl DLEY
PLANNING DIVISION
MEMOR.ANDUM
T0: Planning Commission Members
Community Development Department Staff
Surrounding Property Owners
FROM: Kathlyn Castle, Planning Assistant
DATE: August 4, 1988
REGARDING: Rezoning Request, ZOA ��88-02
Continental Development Corporation formally withdrew their rezoning
request, ZOA 4�88-02, to rezone part of Lot 11, Auditor's Subdivision No.
155 from R-1, Single Family Dweiling district to R-3, General Multiple
Family Dwelling district.
After soil tests were completed, it was determined that the project is
financially•unfeasible.
If you have any further questions, please contact me at 571-3450.
KC/dn
M-88-194
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