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PL 04/19/1989 - 7094� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETiNG 4dED1VESDAY, APRIL 19, 1989 7:30 P.M. Public Planning Commission . - City of Fridley A G E N D� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WEDNE�DAY, APRIL l�, 1989 7:30 P.M. ----_�__ - _� � �______ ZOCATION: COMMUNITY EDUC�TION CENTER, b085 -.7TH ST�tEET N.E. CALL TO �RDER• ROLL CALL• APPROVE PLANNING CflMMISSiON MINUTE�: April 5, 1989 SP #�9-05, BY FRIDLEY COVENANT GHURCH: . . . . . . . 1 - IM Per Section 205.-07,O1.C.2 of the Fridley City Code, to aliow the expansion of � church on Lots 1 through 4, Bl.ock 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 4, the same being ,6390 Universit}� Avenue N.E. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETII�G MINUTE� OF MARCH 28 , 19 8 9. . . . . . . - • . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Blue OTHER BUSINESS• ADJOURNMENT . � =�� CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMI88ION MEETING, APRIL 5, 1989 ----------------------------......_--------------------------------- CALL TO ORDER• Chairperson Betzold called the April 5, 1989, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. ROLL CALL• Members Present: Donald Betzold, Dave Kondrick, Dean Saba, Susan Sherek, Alex Barna Members Absent: Paul Dahlberg Others Present: Barbara Dacy, Planning Coordinator Jock Robertson, Community Development Director Michele McPherson, Landscape Intern Mark Nyberg, 1501 Rice Creek Road Todd Novitsky, 6211 Carol Drive N.E. Sandy Koskiniemi, 881 Pandora Drive N.E. Nancy Hoel, 11945 Unity Circle, Coon Rapids APPROVAL OF MARCH 22. 1989. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES;_ MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Barna, to approve the March 22, 1989, Planning Commission minutes with the following amendment: Page 16, paragraph 4, second sentence should read as follows: "The City Council would not like to see the Planning Commission go to five members." UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL DOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IIN�i1dIMOIIBLY AND THE MINIITES APPROVED AS AMENDED. l. TABLED 3/22/89• CONSIDERATION OF A LOT SPLIT. L.S. #89-01, BY MARK AND PAMELA NYBERG: To split off the north 151 feet of Lot 4, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, to create a separate parcel for a single family house, the same being 1501 Rice Creek Road N.E. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Si�erek, to reaaove the item from -zzre- �� . • OPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY. � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 5, 1989 PAGE 2 Ms. Dacy stated this property is located on the north side of Rice Creek Road. The property is zoned R-1, single family. An existing home is located on the southern portion of the parcel at this time, and the applicant is proposing to split the lot with an east/west lot line to create another building pad to the north. Ms. Dacy stated staff has no concerns about this lot split; however, she would point out that the elevation of the property is lower than the street. There will be the necessity for some filling in order to get a building elevation pad so there can be a connection to city sewer. Also, staff has recommended that in conjunction with the building permit application, the driveway location be reviewed by the Public Works Department. There is a curve in the northwest corner of the property and there is a stand of very tall evergreen trees to the east, and they want to make sure there is adequate sight distance and a good intersection with the street. Ms. Dacy stated Nortel Cable Company had notified staff that they might need an easement, but they have not been able to define an exact location at this time. So, staff is recommending that the petitioner execute a utility easement as necessary by the cable company. Ms. Dacy stated this property has been assessed on the basis of two lots. That should not influence the Commission's decision one way or the other, because the land use and the zoning issues are to be considered separately from the assessment issue. Ms. Dacy stated staff is recommending the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of this lot split subject to the following stipulations: 1. The certificate of survey shall indicate a suitable building elevation for connection to the city sewer. The elevation shall be reviewed and approved by the Public Works Department prior to issuance of a building permit. 2. A grading and drainage plan shall be submitted with the building permit application for approval by the Public Works Department prior to issuance of a building permit. 3. The driveway location must be approved by the Public Works Department prior to issuance of a building permit. 4. The petitioner shall execute appropriate utility easements as requested by the City or by the cable TV company. Mr. Kondrick asked if the new lot had the required square footage. a � R' PLANNING COMMISSION ME$TING, APRIL 5. 1989 PAGE 3 Ms. Dacy stated it had. In fact, the lot is almost twice the size as the lots to the northeast of the property. Mr. Betzold asked Mr. Nyberg if he had any problems with the stipulations as presented by staff. Mr. Nyberg stated he did not have any problems with the stipulations. He stated he realizes he will need some fill in order to hook up with city sewer. Mr. Betzold asked if Mr. Nyberg would be able to save some of the trees on the lot. Mr. Nyberg stated he plans to put the driveway where the tall stand of trees is on the east side. There are about 30 trees along there. He does not need a double width driveway so he might take down two trees. He wants to save as many trees as possible. Ms. Sherek stated she thought the City's concern is traffic safety and so more trees might have to be removed for proper visibility. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Sherek, to recommend to City Council approval of Lot Split, L.S. #83-01, by Pamela and Mark Nyberg to split off the north 151 feet of Lot 4, Auditor's Subdivision No. 22, to create a separate parcel for a single family house, the same being 1501 Rice Creek Road N.E., with the following stipulations: 1. The certificate of survey shall indicate a suitable building elevation for connection to the city sewer. The elevation shall be reviewed and approved by the Public Works Department prior to issuance of a building permit. 2. A grading and drainage plan shall be submitted with the building permit application for approval by the Public Works Department prior to issuance of a building permit. 3. The driveway location must be approved by the Public Works Department prior to issuance of a building permit. � . -"�� -�t�� _ _�,� ��..��..�, � �.t ',�._a.�, easements as requested by the City or by the cable TV company. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY. Mr. Betzold stated this item will go to City Council on Monday, April 17. PLANNZNG CO1rIIrIIBBION MEETINa, APRIL 5. 1989 __PAGE 4 2. CONSIDERATION OF A LOT SPLIT L.S. #89-02, BY SUSAN AND TODD NOVITSKY AND WOODROW AND DEELORES LUBANSKI: To alter the existing side lot line between Lot 5, Block 3, Shorewoad Addition, and Lot 6, Block 3, Shorewood Addition, in order for Lot 5 to obtain 20 feet of rear property and for Lot 6 to obtain 20 feet of front property, the same being 6211 and 6201 Carol Drive N.E. Ms. Dacy stated these properties are zoned R-1, single family. The petitioners are proposing what can be called a"land swap" of about a 20 foot wide triangle at the base of the triangle. Ms. Dacy stated staff has no problems with this lot split request and recommends approval with one stipulation: The owners of Lot 5 and Lot 6 shall combine the proposed parcels with the current legal descriptions. Mr. Betzold asked if there were any tax consequences for either property owner. Ms. Dacy stated she did not know. She could check on this with the City Assessors' office. She would think that they would look at the property in terms of an improvement to the property and the condition of the house, and the fact that it is such a small land area being added. Mr. Betzold asked why the petitioners were requesting this "land swap". Mr. Todd Novitsky stated he had purchased 6211 Carol Drive from the one time owner of that property. The owner, Ms. Lubanski, is the fourth owner of 6201 Carol Drive. Through a verbal agreement with previous owners of the properties, a fence was put up between the two properties in the location where they are proposing the "land swap". He stated he is selling his property and wants to clear up the matter of the lot lines. The new buyers also want the matter settled before they move in. MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Barna, to recommend to City Council approval of Lot Split, L.S. #$9-02, by Susan and Todd Novitsky and Woodrow and Deelores Lubanski, to alter the existing �.t5i� �� 3��L ��: `Tutft -5, "��e� 3, �� e��3��, asad �� 6, Block 3, Shorewood Addition, in order for Lot 5 to obtain 20 feet of rear property and for Lot 6 to obtain 20 feet of front property, the same being 6211 and 6201 Carol Drive N.E., with the stipulation that the owners of Lot 5 and Lot 6 shall combine the proposed parcels with the current legal descriptions. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. � � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 5. 1989 PAGE 5 Mr. Betzold stated this item will go to the City Council on Monday, April 17. 3. REVIEW EXECUTIVE SUNIlKARY OF SENIOR HOUSING STUDY: Ms. Dacy stated the Commission members had received the "Senior Housing Study for City of Fridley Executive Summary" and a cover memo from herself dated March 30, 1989. Ms. Dacy stated she met with the consultant this afternoon to discuss the survey results in more detail. She stated at this meeting she wanted to summarize a couple of points and review what she thinks the Planning Commission should be looking at in terms of the study. Ms. Dacy stated one of the major purposes of the study was to find out how many low and moderate income seniors they have in Fridley. The consultant sent out 1,136 surveys. She stated the consultant is confident that nearly all of the senior households age 65 and older were surveyed. There was a 55% response rate which is a tremendous response rate and indicates a high level of interest. Ms. Dacy stated that as far as the breakdown of that total number, it appears that the number of low income seniors, moderate income seniors, and upper income seniors break out to about one-third each. For example, 198 respondents indicated an income of less than $15,000 (HUD cut-off for low income); 177 respondents indicated an income of $15,000-25,000; and 186 respondents indicated an income of $25,000 and greater. Ms. Dacy stated the other purpose of the study was to find out the housing preference. The majority of the respondents preferred a one-story townhouse with individual entrance (similar to "the Cottages" approach that was presented earlier this year). When sorted by income versus housing preference, there was no clear pattern for a housing preference. Ms. Dacy stated she had talked to Mr. Dahlberg, and he had asked her to state his opinions. She had not met with the consultant when she talked to Mr. Dahlberg, so he was not aware of the more recent information. Mr. Dahlberg wanted to test the assumption �" "3. i --� fi�'x�.-z'` i�"'2-'i" =��c'ia� "'"s �o �i�� '�.� �.-.�."a°�?�S�'�' townhomes, maybe the City should consider not assisting those types of projects that are going to attract the �ealthier seniors. She stated the consultant told her that assumption is not the case according to the survey resporises. Ms . Dacy stated they have a good indication from the study that there is an immediate demand within 5 years for senior housing. The study also showed that in 1993, the age block of people age 55 PLANNING CO1�iI86ZON MEETING, APRIL 5, 1989 PAGE 6 - 64 is stil�l still going to the consultant years. fairly large so that ten years from now, they are see the demand for senior housing. Staff has asked to come back with an estimate of the demand in ten Ms. Dacy stated the implications for the Planning Commission would be in looking at the special use permit requests for elderly housing. There was a question about where seniors would like to be located. Does a particular site meet what was indicated in the survey? Is the location of senior housing meeting what the seniors wanted? Should they be actively looking at designating sites at this time and providing a list of potential sites to interested developers? She stated it is staff's feeling that they are going to get more interest from senior housing developers. Mr. Barna stated he thought the Planning Commission and City should be looking at this in a little bit longer term. People in their early 50's now will be turning 62-65 just after the turn of the century. This is a large number of people whose children no longer go to Fridley schools, one or two or nene might be living at home, and they are probably have another 10-15 years in their home before looking for a place to retire. They can use this study as a basis for what to do now, but they probably should be looking at the amount of available vacant property in a general overall plan and see where they are going to be in 10-15 years. Ms. Dacy stated originally when they started out, they were going to survey the age group of 55-65. The consultant's recommendation was not to do that, because it was their experience that they get a very poor response rate from that age group because it is these people�s perception that they are not going to be a senior for l0- 15 years and do not want to deal with it. So, staff and the consultant, made the decision to focus on age 65 and older. She stated Mr. Barna was certainly correct in his statements, and, hopefully, with the ten year projection, they will be able to answer this question. Mr. Saba stated he thought the reasons a lot of the wealthier seniors prefer the one-story townhomes is because they do not live in Minnesota during the wintertime. A lot of seniors spend their winters in warmer climates. They want a home but not one that has any upkeep. Ms. Sherek agreed. She stated that in the situation of her parents, they are specifically looking for a place that is not apartment-like. They still want their own "home" but do not want all the maintenance that goes along with a home. Mr. Betzold asked what Ms. Dacy meant about lists of potential sites for senior housing developers. , PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 5 1989 PAGE 7 Ms. Dacy stated the seniors indicated preferences for locations-- close to church, shopping centers, available transportation, etc. Maybe they can use the information in the survey as a guide in evaluating,whether or not a particular location is appropriate for a senior housing project. Mr. Saba stated one thing they have to keep in mind is that senior housing must conform to a neighborhood. They have to look at an area, see what is already there, and what type of impact senior housing would have on the neighborhood as a whole. Impact on an existing neighborhood is certainly one of his concerns. Ms. Dacy stated if the Commission has those concerns, it might be worthwhile for staff to review Fridley and look at specific sites for apartment complexes versus townhomes so they can tell developers up front what sites would have the least amount of impact on the surrounding neighborhood. Mr. Kondrick stated the developer, the land available, and the dollars people have to spend on senior housing are all issues they have to deal with. Maybe a developer is not going to be looking at cluster homes because it is more cost effective to build high rise apartment complexes. Ms. Dacy stated the consultant pointed out that almost every senior housing project market rate in the Twin Cities area has some kind of subsidy from the community--either land write-down or housing revenue bonds--to help make the project work. Mr. Barna stated that in reviewing the study and Ms. Dacy's report, he felt the majority of the need for senior housing is in the lower income housing group and a small need for senior housing in the higher income group. Mr. Saba stated maybe some consideration should be given to turning existing apartments in the City into senior developments. An example is the Georgetown Apartments. Why can't the Housing & Redevelopment Authority purchase that property or a portion of it and do a planned unit development for senior citizens. Mr. Betzold stated he lives in the Black Forest apartments. Quite a few seniors have moved into that complex. These are small ,c,�na-^-�� rtm��tss �nd the� -ar� .�ust the ri�ht size for seniors. They have even toyed with the idea that these buildings might better serve as senior housing. Mr. Saba stated there are not a lot of ideal places in Fridley for senior housing condominiums, and maybe the City should be looking at existing buildings, rather than starting with a whole new development that is costly. pLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 5 1989 PAGE 10 Ms. McPherson stated Ms. Dacy, Mr. Robertson, and she discussed what could happen if they had a predominately residential, predominately commercial, or a predominately mixed use development scheme. Ms. McPherson stated she would first talk about the predominately residential scheme or scenario. She stated the area north of Mississippi is strongly residential already. There are many single family homes, multi-units, the new Creek Park Addition, to the east of Central Avenue. These are some problems that could be taken care of in some spot redevelopment. One would be to potentially redevelop the Findell site into large single family home lots. Bacon Electric and the automotive site are not necessarily in unity with the residential scheme. Bacon Electric would be relocated to a higher visible site as part of the commercial node on Moore Lake Drive. The area would then be developed with residential uses. Ms. McPherson stated the automotive site is not a unifying element in the residential scheme; therefore, it should be relocated to an industrial park or with other automotive developments in the City. That would allow this corner to be redeveloped in a residential theme, allowing this to become an entry point for the residential development located in the Creek Park Addition. Ms. McPherson stated on the south part of Mississippi, they have the identity crisis with all the non-conforming uses. In a residential scenario, these currently non-conforminq uses would become conforming and integrated into a residential scheme. The satellite fire station was designed to reflect and enhance the residential feel so this a good neighbor to the residential alternative. Ms. McPherson stated that even though the Advance Companies is a commercial use, again it is more of a soft commercial use with a lot of landscaping. The wide landscaped boulevard promotes the soft commercial feel. Ms. McPherson stated in the residential s opportunity to potentially split some c create a proposed right-of-way for some which would allow development on the bac would increase the residential density i� 2�� '� . .�� t�l ��3��rrz3 �� commercial node that would tie in with Lake Comntons . cenario they then have the �f the long deep lots and streets going north/south k half of these lots which i the area . On the corner �� the residential and Moore Ms. McPherson stated Ms. Dacy�was going to address the commercial and mixed use alternatives. Ms. Dacy stated that north of Mississippi under the commercial alternative, they would still propose the relocation of Bacon � PLANNIN(3 C01rIIrIZSSION MEETING APRIL 5 1989 PAGE 11 Electric and the removal of the automotive use because of the obsolete nature of the buildings and encourage redevelopment to a more appropriate commercial neighborhood use. Ms. Dacy stated south of Mississippi they have existing commercial zoning and industrial zoning by Ziebart and the vacant property to the west. So, under the commercial alternative, the existing land uses and the existing zoning almost promotes it. However, they would still recommend that on the east side of the street the rear of these properties could still be subdivided to access onto a new north/south street and maybe create a buffer between the existing single family neighborhood to the east. Ms. Dacy stated the disadvantage to the neighborhood commercial alternative is what type of commercial uses are going to be located here. Are they going to be retail strip center, or support commercial businesses for Moore Lake Commons, or would they be more of the office/showroom/semi-warehouse uses? She stated if the City is trying to promote a soft image for Central Avenue, those types of uses would not be consistent, and maybe the alternative is to encourage the "ma and pa" oriented commercial uses and the specialty retail. The impact of the Moore Lake Commons project may also be a deciding factor. For several years, these vacant properties have been zoned commercial, and they have remained vacant so that might be another disadvantage to the commercial alternative. Mr. Robertson stated that the unknown variable is the impact of Moore Lake Commons. With the increased traffic at Moore Lake Commons and more people coming into the bottom end of this corridor, is that going to create more traffic and potential for this lower part of Central, so that things like office/showroom would be feasible. Mr. Betzold stated there is also the "barrier" kind of thing, where people will go so far but will not turn the corner into an area they are unfamiliar with. People who drive to Moore Lake Commons are not necessarily going to turn the corner to these other businesses. He would never put a retail shop on the lower end of Central. Ms. Sherek stated s�ie had a real problem '�ma and pa'� specialty �� `+-�.j "t'� ��a � ^� 4:z=.�: ..a.. }�� - �.�ni-r'l ��on�ip they do not want people converting the front of thei houses to specialty shops. Ms. Dacy stated that with the mixed use alternative, on the southern portion, they are looking at in filling the vacant properties on the east side with townhouses or twin homes, anything that might approach single family ownership situation. They would pLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 5 1989 PAGE 12 � still subdivide the rear of the properties to create a residential mix and then have the nodes of commercial at the intersections. Ms. Dacy stated that on the west side, Mr. Brickner will be making an application for a multi-family project. Ms. Dacy stated the disadvantage to the mixed use alternative is it.might be perpetuating a mixture of uses and the whole identity crisis. Ms. Dacy stated the advantage of the mixed use alternative is if there is no real market for the commercial, why not have multiple family housing in this location. It is located near neighborhood shopping, and would be a good buffer between Central Avenue and the neighborhoods to the west. Ms. Dacy stated Mr. Dahlberg stated he would prefer the residential alternative, because of his concerns about increasing traffic on Central Avenue. He did not have a real problem with the mixed use alternative if the traffic issue can be controlled. He likes the boulevard/parkway concept but does not want a median, because it channelizes the traffic and may increase the speed. He does not see the necessity of commercial at every node, primarily at Rice Creek Road. He feels the residential alternative is more in character with the entire area and better from a traffic standpoint. Mr. Barna stated on the east side between Rice Creek Road and Mississippi, he would like to see it all residential development- -take out the little welding shop on the corner of Mississippi and Central and the commercial complex on Rice Creek Road and Central. He would like to see light multiple, such as a townhouse development, on the vacant property. Mr. Robertson stated that Mr. Dahlberg had said he liked the boulevard/parkway approach but not the median. One of the reasons they would do the boulevard/parkway would be because historically it would be more correct. It was originally a narrow concrete road, and they would emphasize that original character by not constructing a median. . Mr. Kondrick stated he really did not have a problem with medians. � tlae� .a�z'e anot �.ant�r�st„in� the� .can b� a waste of time, but a creative median with trees and landscaping can be very interesting. Another thing is lighting. Lighting creates a whole different atmosphere, both during the daytime and evening. Lighting can draw people into an area and make them want to build here. Mr. Robertson stated that is one of the reasons why staff thought the best way to use that wide right-of-way is to put that extra PLANNING COMMI68ION MEETING, APRIL 5. 1989 PAGE 13 greenery and landscaping elements along the edge for uniting this mixture and confusion along the edge, rather than down the middle. Ms. Sherek stated medians are also very difficult in the winter for snowplows. Mr. Betzold stated he agreed that north of Mississippi Street should all be residential and that both Bacon Electric and the automotive business should be relocated. He would like to suggest another option for south of Mississippi Street that has not been discussed. Why not have one side commercial and the other side residential? An example is along Main Street south of I-694. On one side it is clearly all commercial activity, and on the other side it is all residential. It is just like two different worlds. Why not do the same thing in this area? Ms. McPherson stated that this issue was discussed. Mr. Robertson stated there is a basic sort of principle that they should try to follow in where they break land use. They should try to break it and make the change at the rear lot line, rather than at the center line of the street, and that having one use on one side of the street and another on the other side of the street contributes to the identity crisis. Also, there is the question of property values and property assessments with residential and commercial. Ms. Sherek agreed with Mr. Betzold. There is no question that one side of Main Street is residential and one side is commercial. South of ltice Creek Road is going to be commercial with the health club and the shopping center. If the opportunity is there for commercial development, they should promote it. There is such a scarcity of land in Fridley. With the upgrading of the Midwest Van & Storage property and the development in Moore Lake Commons, there is going to be some fall-out from that development and redevelopffient. She would hate to see another piecemeal development in there in the meantime. To her, there is rao reason why they cannot have one zoning on one side of the street and another zoning on the other side of the street. Ms. Sherek stated she did not agree with Mr. Brickner's proposal to put an apartment building in this area. Townhouses or something like that might be "•o.k.", but to stick an apartment building in there when there, is no other real multiples in the area is just �� v � ct`ie`�' �s� `� � . `�'Fi� � � -'y�� '-'� �g-�� kind of identity with that type of development, nor are they going to gain any kind of identity by turning it into residential with thos� two solid commercial properties on either side. Ms. Sherek stated it is great to discuss further development, but her whole point of continuing the corridor study all the way up to Osborne is she felt the whole corridor should be viewed as a continuum. She felt they were lacking something discussing this PLANNING COMMI88ION MEETING, APRIL 5, 1989 PAGE 14 in depth before the whole study is done. From about Onondaga to Osborne, again they have residential on one side and industrial on the other side, but she did not think that area had as serious an identity crisis as Mississippi south with the mixture of houses and commercial uses on one side of the street. Ms. Dacy stated they just needed a place to start, and the north half of Mississippi Street to Osborne could be presented at a May meeting. Mr. Kondrick stated after hearing Ms. Sherek's comments, he does agree that the west side of Central Avenue south of Mississippi Street should remain commercial. Ms. Dacy stated Mr. Dahlberg had also suggested they look at a treatment along the right-of-way by Moore Lake Commons as far as installing a walking path down to Moore Lake Beach. Mr. Barna stated this idea had been presented before, and neither the neighbors or the property owners want•a walking path along there. Mr. Saba stated he thought it very important to do the boulevard treatment and landscaping along Central Avenue right away and tie it in with the Moore Lake Commons. Ms. Dacy stated another thing Mr. Dahlberg had stated was that there should be a traffic signal at 73rd Avenue/Central. Ms. Dacy stated staff will be including the Central Avenue study in the April 17th City Council meeting packets. The City Council will have the Planning Commission's minutes with their comments. Ms. Dacy stated Mr. Brickner might be applying for a rezoning within two weeks. After hearing the Planning Commission members' comments about commercial on the west side, she would contact Mr. Brickner and infona him of these comments. She stated Mr. Brickner is intending to have a neighborhood meeting at the end of April. Maybe at this neighborhood meeting, staff can present the three alternatives and get the neighborhood's reaction to those alternatives, depending on the City Council's reaction. Mr. Betzold stated he and the Planning Commission members appreciated staff's work and all the thought and time that went into the presentation of this part of the Central Avenue study. 5. �tECEIVE MARCH 6, 1989, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Rondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to receive the March 6, 1989, Parks & Recreation Commission minutes. 0 :d PLANNING COMMI88ION MEETING, APRIL 5. 1989 PAGE 15 IIPON A QOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON BETZOLD DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Ms. S�erek, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to adjourn the meeting. IIpon a voice vote, all votiaq aye, Chairperson Betzold declared the April 5, 1989, Planninq Commission meetinq adjourned at 9:15 p.m. Re�pectively submitted, � �i �� z.� , �'�.� Ly e Saba. Recording Secretary � ; ► � S��►FF �EPOi�T APPEALS DATE �� PLANNING COMMISSION DATE :�prii 19, 1989 F� I�L£Y c�r couNC�� A-r� . A,�,�R 1�1M/ dn �� PERMI�' AIUMBER APPL�C�1�1T PRC�POSE� REQUE�T LOCATI4N ��T� �A�'A si�� DEiVSiTY PR�E�ENT �ONiNC ADJAC�iVT LAND USES +� �flNINC �$ PARK DEDICATION AN�►L�i(�IS FINANCIAL IMPLlCATIONS CONFORMANCE TO COMPREHENSNE PLAN COMPATIBILITY WRH ADJACENT USES $ ZONOVG ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPEALS RECOMMENDATION PLANNWG COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION SP 4�89-05 Fridle� Covenant church Allow an addition to the chLrch. 6390 University Avenue N.E. 1.75 acres N/A R-1, Single Family Reside�.tial North, C-3 (Burger King); South, East and West, R-1, Single Family Homes � Al1 utilities exist on the site. N/A N/A Yes Yes None Approval with stipulations. i iA Staff Report SP #89-05, Fridley Covenant Church Page 2 REQUEST The petitioner, Fridley Covenant Church, i5 proposing to add a�7 foot x 36 foot addition to the existing buildin�, located on Lots 1 throu�h 4 and Lot� 10 through 12, Sylvan Hills Plat 4, the same being 6390 University Avenue N.E. The property is zoned R-1, Single Family Dwelling. The R-1 district requires a special use permit for churcl�es,_ SITE The site is locatecl at the southwest corner of Satellite Lane N.E. and the'University Avenue Service Road intersection. Mercury Drive N.E. abuts the south side of the property. Burger Ring is located to the north, singie family lots abut the property to the west and ac�oss Mercury Drive to the south. The site is wooded with mature oak trees and has little or no additional landscaping. �1NALYS IS The proposed additiori consists of a narthex and library on the upper level and a 24 foot x 22 foot cla5sroom on the lower level. The expansion also includes the installation of an elevator, the upgrade of existing bathrooms on the upper level and the addition of a bathroom on the lower level. The addition is architecturally compatible with the existing building. The narthex is intended as a foyer or reception area to the existing sanctuary. There will not be any fixed seating in the narthex. On the lower level, the proposed restrooms will be located where a classroom currently exists. The proposed classroom on the lower level replaces the room lost to the bathroom construction. Because no additional assembly or classroom areas are proposed, additional parking is not required. The current building currently meets all setback and lot coverage requirements and the expansion would also meet these requirements. The expansion would, however, cause the =emoval of three large mature oak trees near the northeast corner of the existing building. The current parking areas located on the north and east side are not screened from the public right-of-way. Because substantial trees will be removed and because parking lot screening is required by ordinance (Section 205.16.6), staff recommends the installation of year round screening for these two areas (see stipulation #1). �- The Assessor's office has also recommended that the tax parcels for the property be combined into one parcel. Staff Report SP #8g-05, Fridley Covenant Church Page � RECOMMENDATION Staff recommends the Pianninq Commission recommend approval of the special use permit request, SP #89-d5, Fridley CoVenant Church, with the foilowing stipulations; 1. The petitioner shall install the following landscaping materials: A. 5- 8 foot balled and burlapped Black Hills �pruce evergreen trees , 2 0 f eet o. c., 5 f eet f rom the curb of the north parking area. .B. 3- 2 1/2 caliper inch balled and burlapped Burr Oak trees, 40 foot O. C. , 10 feet from the curb, plus 26 Bird's Nest Spruce planted 5 feet o.c. with edging and rock mulch, and an appropriate weed barrier. 2. �'he petitioner 5hall comb�ne the existing tax parcels for the property into one tax parcel. IB '�� C1TY OF FRIDLEY � 4i439 URIIV�RSITY AVE. N.E. � F,RIDLEY� MN 55432 (�'92)5T1-3450 . . . ..�5,•ti a, t Ax4��;;x: t � ! - � � �� SP�CIAL USE PERMiT SP � � � SPECIAL USE PERI�IIT FEE � L�� RECE IPT �..3/� °� y �iIIXJLID PLANATIlJG O�fi�MISSIfJN . NMEETING TaA.TE: y/%��' 9 SQ-IEDULID CITY m[JNCIL N�ETIl�IG i�TE: �� -^,OPE.?TY hD�.�ESS 6390 Univers �tv Avenue N E. Fridley, PfiN 55421 L��?, �iSCi?IPriON: LOT ,�°°.:.;� BI.�OQ{ 'I�ACT/ADDITION ,�1�.�>�� -jac.a.5. ;��v' �°° ..�:�II:r Z�tiB�G �� ..1 ACRF,�GE �'�C?uL L�E PrRi�IIT �E�•:� A..��'LIED FOit: %�,:�a��a�'��! ,�b5i:'�a'�A� S�C^IC:� OF `.�r:E CDDE : z� � � L 7 � i � �•�- - � **�t***��***��a��ta�**��*�*a��t��,��r**�x*� �:�. y �� ;.� -- • • 571-1657 �v�t•� F r-idlev Covenant Church pg�y� � 426-3287 Architect . � �. . SIGt�URE �� K/Kk��^-� L�ATE March 17, 1989 ** *e * * *° *t *a * * � * * * *' *F * *�e� S* �u�t *S'�� ° t��ri�r * * $�r��s�''� � * * * * PEiITIONER INFORM�►TION 571-1657 N1�1+� Fridlev Covenent Church pi3qJE # Home 755-2119 Pastor 426-3287 • ..:• k enue 1 SIGNA�UgE 1��- �/ ' President �� March 17, 1989 * tIF yk �h * �t ic �t * ak �k �k # �k ic alr �Ir �t �k it �k * tk tk tlr * �k * �' tk i * * � ir �k �k �' ir ic tk tt PLANNING Qt��1SSI0N: APPRWID DII�1IID DATE QT'i' QXJ1"ICIL: APFROUID DENIED DATE S� IFiJLATIONS: ..- �.:.�._�.< PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Fridley P�anning Commission at the COMMUNITY EDUCATION CENTER, 6085 - 7TH STREET N.E. on Wednesc�ay, April 19, 1989 at 7:30 p.m. for the purpose of• Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #89- 05, by Fridley Covenant Church, per Section 205.07.O1.C.2 of the Fridley City Code, to allow the expansion of a church on Lots 1 through 4, Block 1, Sylvan Hi11s Plat 4, the 5ame being 6390 University Avenue N.E. Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opportunity at the above stated time and place. DONALD BETZOLD CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION Publish: April 5, 1989. April 12, 1989 Any questions related to this item may be referred to the Fridley Community Development Department, 571-3450. 1D SP �89-05 Fridley Covenant Church Fridley Covenant Church 6390 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Fridley Covenant Church �32 Satellite Lane N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Kwok Wong Z21 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridle�, MN 55432 Craig Mott_ 231 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Jack Hobright 241 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Richard Larson 255 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Duane Jorgenson 288 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, NIN 55432 Mervin Herrmann 278 M�rCUry Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 James Tollefson 266 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Clinton Coppicus 256 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Mukola Loutchko 244 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Donald Howard 234 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Burger King fi410 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Planning 3/24/89 MAILING LIST City Council Jai Suh 12 Island Road St. �aul, MN 55110 P. Tennenbaum 26 Western Terrace Golden Valley, MN 55426 Leone Tilseth 201 Mercury Drive N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Planning Commission Chair City Council Members. m �E SP 4�89-05 ` � Fridley Covenant Church l� � �� . C/TY � I 31 ��,�R I l 0, � U � ,� $ � _ " � , '—,---,-�— � ea�r�----a' , � . �s�nr,r Q �. ,.� i . ; �: - _ J� I�� I I� t� 1 �. d+� -f'�-:' .y�� „ � ,jr �� i • P J� ' 1 �� Q �AN � �; �. � , � - _ L � ., " ; �� I �+ r ° � � � � S Y � d -. � �' �• ¢�{ � � , 0 0 yf!" '�� ' a J IL�c ,. � 4r. � �e•~ "ilp�p � � I�- ��. ;:; . 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( J i t Church 1R t! ut � v t r� �s� T Y /�v G �'sE.rcv�cz re��e . LANDSCAPE PLAN � S � -1 � c' � � c � r � L � EXISTiNG TO REMAIN ADD SCREENING AT UNIVERSITY SIDE LANDSCAPE PLA N SP ��89-05 Fridley Covenant Church IL FLOOR PLAN SP �689-OS Fridl,ey Covenant Church 1M � o. � i �� N t � � � � ' 9 �a ' T � . i i FLOOR PLAN ' I fY� �Y CITY OF FRIDLEY JOINT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION/ ENERGY COMMISSION MARCH 28, 1989 CALL TO ORDER• Chairperson Dahlberg, Environmental Quality Commission (EQC), called the March 28, 1989, Joint EQC/Energy Commission meeting to order at 7:38 p.m. � ROLL CALL• Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: Bruce Bondow, Paul Dahlberg, Dean Saba, Brad Sielaff (8:30), Wayne Wellan Steve Stark, Richard Svanda Lisa Campbell, Planning Assistant APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 28 1989 JOINT EOC/ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Bondow, seconded by Mr. Wellan, to approve the February 28, 1989, Joint EQC/Energy Commission minutes as written. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. NEW BUSINESS• a. Anoka County Plastic Ban/Anoka County Yard Waste Composting Sites Ms. Campbell indicated the Anoka County Board of Commissioners has approved the ban on plastic bags from the Anoka County Yard Waste compost sites on February 28, 1989. Basically, what this does in require haulers who pick up yard waste to find another way to pick it up. Along with the same resolution, there is an adjunct recommendation that the cities continue to be responsible for the way in which yard waste is collected in their ci�y. �urren��y, �`rid3e� �a� �i� � ��i�� a� �te collection program. Three haulers have been contacted and each seems to be coming out with their own response to the problem. Pretzel Sanitation asked what the City was planning to do. The County's suggested options are 1) use biodegradable paper bags; 2) debagging by the hauler at the curbside; 3) debagging at a separate site; t' JOINT E4C/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 28. 1989 PAGE 2 4) separate containers for residents to be picked up manually or mechanically by haulers; and 5) use vacuum equipment or a front-end hauler to collect leaves raked to the boulevard. The haulers have said consistently anything they do will increase costs to the residents. Perhaps the commission could recommend that the City Council recommend the County pursue some of the problems as indicated and how to correct. Mr. Dahlberg asked if the County was looking to get rid of the site. Ms. Campbell stated no. The County does not want to do debagging. They are concerned about the strong possibility of a lag between the amount of yard waste coming in and how quickly it can be debagged. Mr. wellan has offered a suggestion, and he will contact Norm Schifferl at the County. Mr. Wellan stated he had reports on some testing that had been done. Blue jeans, tapes, plastic bags and glass were always a problem with trommels. By re-designing the trommel and changing the opening size to drop glass, you will also drop the yard waste. By putting lifters in the trommel, you will tend to break the bags. New Orleans had a test site at the same time but found the same thing. He has a report on the testing. The trommels do not dispose of the plastic, but it breaks the bag. Mr. Dahlberg asked if the material travels through the cylinder. Mr. Wellan stated it does. The cylinder is on an incline and discharges the plastic out the other end. Both ends of the trommel are open. The trommel also has openings, such as 2 inches in diameter, for sand, dirt, glass, etc., to go through. Anything larger is carried over. There is an expense to it, but this is a possible solution. The New Orleans testing was done about 10 to 12 years ago, but they did find the same thing. Ms. Campbell recommended making the information available to the County and stressed that it is their responsi- �ii� =� �� `� ��. � Mr. Wellan thought this would come back. Sand and glass •: wear out shredders. The trommels can remove.80 to 90% of the sand, glass and non-burnable objects with a trommel. The oversize can then be shredded. �he product for the shredder is cleaner and there is less ash for the field. 0 �. .,� JOINT EOC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING MARCii 28. 1989 PAGE 3 2. Mr1 Dahlberg asked if this could potentially be used by some of the garbage burning facilities. Mr. Wellan indicated that some are going to trommelling, but many are shredding. Glass is still a problem as far as maintenance on the hammermills, etc. in the shredders. Mr. We11an will look up the reports and related information and forward to Mr. Schifferl. Mr. Dahlberg thought the information should also be sent to Commissioner McCarron. Mr. Saba asked for an estimate of cost. Mr. Wellan stated this system is expensive, but will check for current pricing. b. Review of the Energy Commission and Environmental Quality Commissions' Workplans Mr. Dahlberg requested the EQC Workplan be tabled. Ms. Campbell preferred to decision of OLD BUSINESS indicated the Energy Workplan is not new and table discussion on the Workplan until the combining had been made. a. Combining the Commissions Mr. Dahlberg felt that the position of the Planning Commission should not be a determining factor of whether or not the commissions combine. Discussion at the Planning Commission was on representation - five chairs and two at-large positions; at least one at-large position; perhaps two. Should there be six or seven members. Seven was considered more desireable for the Planning Commission. Comments were that it really did not matter. It was his understanding that the City Cc�uncil preferred to see one at-large position on the Planning Commission and the representation could come from outside or from one of the commissions. This group would be represented by at least one individual. Ms. �i�'� �C '�'f � Zi4, i�8�, �$�d�.� t� combining of the commissions, suggests that our discussion is relative to membership size and whether or not the groups feel comfo.rtable about joininq. Mr. Wellan stated he would vote to combine and maintain a membership of seven. Mr. Bondow agreed. �l JOINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING. MARCH 28, 1989 PAGE 4 ` Mr. Saba indicated he did not want less than seven members. There will be times when we would want to break up into groups and need seven members. Mr. Dahlberg indicated there are different interests, and " having seven members will allow the use of subcommittees. Ms. Campbell indicated she would like to see the combined commission have one Workplan to effectively criticize and participate in the Workplan. Mr. Dahlberg felt the commissions could vote with the members present and poll those absent. Ms. Campbell indicated the EQC did not have a quorum. Ms. Campbell recommended this item be postponed until both commissions have a quorum. b. Recycling Container Pilot Program Follow-Up Mr. Bondow stated that he had spoken with Mr. Mark Smiler and Mr. Peter Simon of Shamrock Industries. Mr. Smiler indicated they were starting to look at a retail distribution outlet. Their company has some retail products, although they do not distribute the bins through the retail division. Bins are sold by bid to cities. They are considering retail for the replacement market. There was not much support from the manufacturer. Mr. Bondow also talked to a retail store owner in Fridley. He has had no requests for bins because the cities furnish them. After explaining the program, he felt that citizens would perceive they would get the bins from the city. It would create a hurdle for citizens to go out and buy bins. He did not think anyone would need replacements for some time. He plans to wait until he gets requests. Mr. Saba indicated that you hear more and more that cities are providing bins. Mr. Bondow thought constituents may perceive that the city is not responding to the program. �r� ��.'3� �� :� -��x� � � .�..i�3:o� _�ive ��ne� � Ms. Campbell indicated that Blaine has provided bins to . every household in the city. They have organized � collection ancl the bins are paid for through'the water bill. Mr. Wellan asked how they did this. Can the cost be covered through the water billing in Fridley also? a � j JOINT E4C/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 28. 1989 PAGE 5 Ms. Campbell stated this could be done, but the concept would need support in order to be put into effect. Mr. Saba felt the commission should go ahead with the pilot program, get the exposure, and get people's attention. Mr. Dahlberg stated that, as part of the next step, an article on the pilot program should be put into the Fridley Focus and.City Newsletter so people understand that this is a pilot program and that the EQC and Energy Commissions recommend they contact the City Council to express their support of the recycling program. Mr. Wellan also felt a timetable should be established. Ms. Campbell thought she could do a pre-participation survey in late April or early May with the area pilot project in June, July and August. Mr. Dahlberg stated this will depend on how long it takes to get the bins, logos, etc. Mr. Bondow indicated he had seen another program with two bins in Wisconsin. The residents had received one bin with the option through the recycler to purchase another for $6.00. They have an organized pick up and a single supplier for the recycleables. The recycleables program is on the same day as the garbage pick up. Could we consider using one bin? Ms. Campbell indicated that the Council has seen the selection of bins and has chosen this type of bin. Mr. Saba questionned the survey stating that some would throw it away. Mr. Dahlberg stated the response of recyclers in the pilot neighborhood before and after the program. Having some persons throw away the questionnaire is part of the risk. If the participation goes up to 300, it is worth the risk. �-, �' �� ? ��.� �� x' � �� r.o,� ect t� work . you need to give bins to every household. ; Mr. Dahlberg suggested sending a note saying that if they � are not interested in using the bins, the citg will take them back and distribute to other who will use them. There is some work that need to go into distribution and education. �� JOINT E4CJENERGY COMMISSION MEETING. MARCH 28, 1989 PAGE 6 Mr. Bondow stated that in the Wisconsin program, the hauler would not pick up the recycleables unless they were in the proper containers. _ Mr. Saba indicated that Minneapolis residents could be fined if recycleables are found in the garbage. Mr. Wellan asked if Ms. Campbell would have time to screen and study. Mr. Dahlberg wondered if Super Cycle could give the quantity recycled in a certain neighborhood. Ms. Campbell indicated this could be done by door knocking. In Columbia Heights, 800 doors were knocked on so they would know the bins were coming, explaining the program, answering questions, etc. Mr. Dahlberg stated this is very hard and time consuming to do. Ms. Campbell felt this could also be done with a mailing. Mr. Dahlberg asked if there were any additional city staff who could become involved in the project. Ms. Campbell thought some co-workers could help. She would need to first check with department heads. Mr. Dahlberg suggested that Ms. Campbell put together an estimate of the amount of time it would take to knock on doors in the two pilot neighborhoods and approach department heads of those people who might be available to assist and see if they will do so. Mr. Saba suggested a mailer for those who are not home. Ms. Campbell stated a mailer could tell the residents the bins are coming and ask if they are currently recycling. She could anticipate questions and complaints. Mr. Wellan asked what would be gained through a pilot project. � Mr. Dahlberg indicated one goal is to increase � participation by getting people who do not recycle to -� recycle; and second, to show that by using bins participation does increase and is worth distributing. Mr. Wellan stated this is a lot of work and questionned whether it can be done. ! f ' JOINT EOC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 28, 1989 PAGE 7 Mr. Dahlberg asked if Super Cycle could provide information on who is recycling and the volume. Ms. Campbell indicated that Super Cycle has a new staff person starting in April 1 and she will speak to that � person at that time. Ms. Campbell liked the idea of proceeding with a demonstration project. Mr. Wellan and Mr. Saba have made good points about constraints. Mr. Wellan stated the pilot project would take a long time. He thought the bins should be gotten out into the community for exposure. Mr. Bondow felt the results of a pilot project could be used to sell the concept to other civic organizations. Mr. Saba felt a pilot project would be getting information that other cities have, which would be duplicating efforts. A sampling in Fridley would be like those in any other city. The key is do we take a chance on giving the bins to everybody or do we give them to people who are already recycling and try to expand it from there. Then go to other organizations and get funds for more bins. The response could be greater by distributing. Mr. Wellan thought it would help to have a general distribution for exposure first, and then do a pilot study. He thought it important to get our and show they are useful and still have the option to do a study. Mr. Dahlberg felt that, in this manner, you would not get those people who do not recycle to recycle. He felt that with a pilot program getting the bins in visible neighborhoods with every household having bins has more impact � than general disbursement throughout the community. There would be more impact if concentrated. I think we can do whether or not a survey is done beforehand and it will not take any more time to distribute to a neighborhood or to distribute to those who recycle, but we do need the study. We need the informatio� to get other organizations covered. �is. ��be�.l �at�sl �a� �t# �� '�.�,a�ed. Sl�e . random distribution has no way to measure the effect but � that this approach would reward people who recycle. .: 1,700 households recycle. But with this approach, there is a rationale to demonstrate that participat'ion in the pilot will increase with the use of containers. Mr. Dahlberg resolved that the order for bins be placed in the next couple of weeks and the artwork be taken care � � � > JOINT E�/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 28, 1989 PAGE 8 J of . At the next meeting, continue the discussion to have a pilot project or have a general distribution of the bins. Mr. Saba recommended checking with Super Cycle to see if they have the pre-survey information and what assistance they can provide. Mr. Dahlberg stated the Lions logo and City logo will be on the bin. Will the materials label remain? Ms. Campbell stated the Fridley logo will be a sticker in order to retain the materials label. She will get the Lions logo artwork. Mr. Bondow asked if there was a place to receive the bins and store them. Ms. Campbell stated she could place the order and check into a storage area. Delivery of the bins could take 6 to 8 weeks. Mr. Wellan suggested storing the bins outside by the garage. Mr. Saba asked if Ms. Campbell had checked about key Lions getting bins. Ms. Campbell stated she will talk about that when she gets the logo. Mr. Wellan suggested giving bins to some of the key people of other civic organizations, such as the Jaycees, Rotary, etc. 3. OTHER BUSIf�TESS a. Ms. Campbell distributed copies of a News Release entitled Fridley Municipal Television 31 Explores Waste Management. These are videos already done. "Alu-Man the Can" is a puppet who is excited about being recycled and explains the steps it takes to recycle. The other show is "Waste Management: A Fable for the Future" which deals sa_;�,. ��__t� Salad �Taste Malzagement Plan and the roles of recycling, waste reduction, and incineration in � Anoka County. b. Mr. Saba stated the Springbrook program was ve'ry good and could be edited and put on the channel. Mr. Dahlberg asked if anything formally had been done to thank the staff at Springbrook for what they did. r � I `� JOINT E4CJENERGY COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 28. 1989_ PAGE 9 Ms. Campbell s�ated she had called Ms. Shanberg about what follow up the City needed to do. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Bondow, to formally thank and recognize the Springbrook Nature Center staff for the work they have done on the Energy Program through the Community Energy Program Grant through the Department of Public Service. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. c. Mr. Wellan asked if there was any way to start recycling plastic bottles. Ms. Campbell stated the recycle center has expanded the plastics they will accept. Mr. Wellan asked to encourage recycling plastics through the curbside proqram. This is biggest market for recycling in the country. Recycle Minnesota Resources (RMR) is one of the companies recycling plastic. This is a good product for re-use and one of the easier ones to recycle. Mr. Dahlberg recommended finding out what they are doing and promoting in the community. Ms. Campbell indicated that the next Newsletter article was to announce that RMR, who currently runs the drop off site, is now expanding the types of plastic bottles they are accepting, including water bottles, milk cartons, etc. Mr. Wellan stated it is easy to identify the 2 liter plastic bottle, but hard to identify other types of plastic. In the future, there will be labels on the bottles. Ms. Campbell stated she had pictures on the information they have sent out. Curbside is a problem because of the volume. There are some national trade agencies working with companies in the metro area, one of which is Super ��s7�� e �aad �t ,c� tbe ��.i�ie ��4�'a� 4o�.n4 .tn . that in the near future but the drop off center is more � flexible. � JOINT E4CfENERGY COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 28, 1989 PAGE 10 ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Bondow, to adjourn the meeting. UPON A VOICE VOTE, THE MARCH 28, 1989, AT 8:55 P.M. ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DAHLBERG DECLARED JOINT EQC/ENERGY COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED Respectfully submitted, Lavonn Cooper Recording Secretary II�