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PL 03/14/1990 - 30716/"� CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNI1dG COMMISBION MEETING, MARCH 14� 1990 ����Y�MMIr.YM�YwMMMIrNMN���MM�YM�YwNMM���MMNNM��YwIrN�MMrMMMMMM�M.YMIYMNMM�w CALL TO ORDER• Vice-Chairperson Kondrick called the March 14, 1990, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Dave Kondrick, Dean Saba, Alex Barna, Paul Dahlberg Members Absent: Don Betzold, Sue Sherek Others Present: Barbara Dacy, Planning Coordinator Michele McPherson, Planning Assistant Steve Billings, Councilmember Dennis Schneider, Councilmember Gary Andelin, Murphy Oil Lori Erickson, Murphy Oil Vi and Paul Waite, 1916 - 42nd Ave. N.E. Linda Wiltfang, 5885 Tennison Dr. �, Dee and Will Lynn, 7370 Memory Lane William Trudeau, 715 - 49 1/2 Avenue N.E. APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 14 1990. PLANNING CONIlKISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to approve the February 14, 1990, Planning Commission minutes as written. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. 1. PUBLIC HEARING• CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, _SP #90-02, BY 123-ABC LEARNING CENTER: Per Section 205.07.01.C.(4) of the Fridley City Code to allow a day care center in a church, the same being 755 - 73rd Avenue N.E. (Grace Evangelical Free Church) MOTION by Mr. Dahlberg, seconded by Mr. Barna, to waive the reading of the public hearing notice and open the public hearing. IIPON A VOICE VOTS, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON KONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. � ^ PLANNING COMMISBION MEETING, MARCH 14, 1990 PAGE 2 Ms. McPherson stated Vi Waite, Director of the 123-ABC Learning Center is requesting a special use permit for a day care center at the Grace Evangelical Free Church, located on 73rd Avenue near Madsen Park which is owned by the City. The church is in an R-1, Single Family Dwelling, zoning on approximately 3 acres. Directly across the street to the south is M-2, Heavy Industrial zoning. Ms. McPherson stated the day care center will be operating in three rooms in the lower level of the existing church. The day care center has already received a license from the State of Minnesota to operate from 6:30 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. and for a maximum of 29 children, predominately preschool children. The day care center will be using the adjacent Madsen Park for the outdoor play area. Ms. McPherson stated Section 205.07.O1.C.(4) of the Fridley City Code does allow day care centers in the R-1 zoning district, provided they are located in churches, schools, or other buildings which are located on arterial or collector streets. Seventy-third Avenue is classified as an arterial street, and there is fairly good access from 73rd Avenue to the church site. Ms. McPherson stated the Code also requires one parking space for every 100 sq. ft. of day care area. The church lot itself has � approximately 200 spaces. In addition, there is area on site for drop-off and pick-up of children and/or parishioners. Two pick-up or drop-off sites have been discussed with the petitioner. The south door is the main entrance to the church. The rear door will also be used as a fire escape and is a little more remote; however, they are intending that this door will be used for late evening drop-offs after the front door is locked for the evening. Ms. McPherson stated currently the entrance and exit driveways are signed "Enter" and "Exit". This could potentially cause some confusion for people unfamiliar with the site; however, staff has not made it a stipulation on the recommendation. Ms. McPherson stated staff is recommending the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of this special use permit request as it does meet all the code requirements for day care centers. There is adequate parking and traffic space, adequate buffering to the neighbors to the east and north of the site with a combination of private fences/vegetation and other types of landscaping. Also, Madsen Park directly to the west of the site provides more than adequate space for the outdoor play area. Mr. Dahlberg asked if there is a requirement in the State regulations that the day care center must have a fenced outdoor play area adjacent to the building. `� Ms. McPherson stated that is correct; however, according ta Ms. Waite, the people in charge of State Licensing of the day care �,., PLANNING CONIIKI88ION MLETINa, MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE_3 center have agreed that the Madsen Park will fit the criteria for the outdoor play area requirement. Ms. Waite has told staff that no more than 10 children at any one time will be going to the outdoor play area with a staff person. Mr. Dahlberg stated that if the State is going to forgive the requirement for a play area adjacent to the building, then that is fine. Mr. Barna stated that with another day care center which received a special use permit last year, the rooms used for day care were also connected by doors between the rooms. He did not see that with this plan, only a common hallway. Ms. McPherson stated this plan was reviewed by the Inspection Department, and no stipulations were made for this requirement. There is a secondary exit from the first room so there are two exits for two rooms. Only the middle room is a vulnerable room. She stated staff can research this further. Mr. Dahlberg stated that he believed as far as the Building Code, the size of those rooms is probably such that the rooms do not require two exits, as a classroom or a function classified as a /�, gathering space. However, it would be a good idea for the Inspection Department to re-evaluate this. Ms. McPherson stated she had a letter addressed to Mike Happ, of the Grace Evangelical Free Church from Darrel Clark, Building Inspector, outlining the stipulations required by the Building Code. Those stipulations included the installation of smoke and alarm detectors in each room of the day care, in the lower corridor serving the rooms, and at the top of each of the two stairways serving the lower level. The only egress window which needs to be installed is in the room used for sleeping purposes, the third room on the far east of the building. Also stipulated was the approval of the special use permit and the maximum of children at 29. Mr. Saba stated he felt a little uncomfortable with the authorization from the State to not have a fenced outdoor play area. Ms. Dacy stated that before the City Council meeting, the petitioner should have the confirmation from the State regarding licensing approval and the approval of Madsen Park as the outdoor play area. Ms . Waite stated that room 1 which is close to the outside exit will also have an escape window. There will be a connecting door ,''� between rooms 1 and 2. Room 3 is near the wide stairway. �, �, ,'`� PLANNINa COMMIBBION MEETING, MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE 4 Mr. Saba stated the lower level long periods of levels. If the the children. that since the day care center will be operated in of the church and since children will be there for time, Ms. Waite might want to check into the radon radon levels are high enough, it may be unsafe for Mr. Dahlberg asked where the children will have their exercise space during the day. Ms. Waite stated room 3 is the large muscle area, and all the children will have access to that at different times of the day. Ms. Waite stated the children are their first concern and will always be under the care of a teacher. They will never be left alone. Outside they will use a rope system while going to and from the park. Over the years, she has never had any problems. Mr. Barna asked about the child to adult ratio. Ms. Waite stated the adult to child ratio is 1 to 10 for the preschool children and 1 to 15 for the school age children. There will be 5 teachers with degrees. Mr. Dahlberg asked if the 29 children are just preschool children, and the latchkey children are over and above the 29. Ms. Waite stated they must never exceed a total of 29 children. That includes preschool age and school age children. Ms. Linda Wiltfang, 5885 Tennison Drive, stated she is a full time working parent and a resident of Fridley. She is anxiously awaiting the opening of this day care center. She stated Ms. Waite runs a very beautiful school. She has never questioned the safety of her son or daughter in the care of Ms. Waite and her staff. The children are well taken care of, and there is always an adult in attendance. With Target and Onan expanding, there is certainly a need in this community for more of this type of day care. MOTION by Mr. Dahlberg, seconded by Mr. Barna, to close the public hearing. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTIOIJ CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY AND THE PIIBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 7:55 P.M. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Barna, to recommend to City Council approval of Special Use Permit, SP #g0-02, by 123-ABC Learning Center, per Section 205.07.O1.C.(4) of the Fridley City Code to allow a day care center in a church, the same being 755 - 73rd Avenue N.E. (Grace Evangelical Free Church), with the following stipulations: �..� PLANNINa COMMI88ION MEETING, MARCH 14, 1990 PAGE 5 1. The day care center shall meet the requirements of the Uniform Building Code and fire codes. 2. A letter from the State be submitted before the Council meeting waiving the fenced-in play area. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIN(� AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR DECLARED T8E MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. Ms. McPherson stated this item will go to City Council on March 26, 1990. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING. ZOA #90-01, BY MURPHY OIL CO: To rezone from R-1, Single Family Dwelling, to C-1, Local Business, generally located at 6443 East River Road N.E. (Spur Station) MOTION by Mr. Dahlberg, seconded by Mr. Barna, to waive the reading of the public hearing notice and open the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR �� DECLARED T8E MOTION CARRIED AND THL PIIBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 8 0 00 P.M. Ms. McPherson stated Murphy Oil currently owns the Spur Station. Lot 3 is currently zoned R-1, Single Family Dwelling, and the proposal is to rezone it to C-1, Local Business. There is additional R-1 zoning to the east. The lot to the north is zoned C-l. East River Road and R-3, General Multiple Dwelling, are to the west. The other two corners of that intersection are zoned commercial. Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is requesting the rezoning of Lot 33 in order to combine Lot 10 and Lot 33 to create a larger buildable parcel in order to remove the existing structures and construct a new convenience store and gas station with a new pump island. By rezoning the residential lot and creating this larger buildable parcel, there will be a greater conformance to the City's zoning code than there is currently on the existing lot 10 with the existing convenience/gas station. Ms. McPherson stated that before the Appeals Commission meeting where the petitioner requested two variances for this proposal, Mr. Barna had asked how many variances would be needed for the existing convenience store if it was rebuilt today. The answer is seven variances. She stated the Appeals Commission recommended approval ,� of the two variances requested by the petitioner. �, PLANNINa COlyIIMI88ION MEETINa. MARCH 14. 1990 PAaE 6 Ms. McPherson stated the rezoning also allows the petitioner to provide for greater screening and buffering from the south and east sides of the parcel to buffer the residential neighborhood from this commercial use. The petitioner hopes to be able to utilize many of the existing trees on site and the existing cedar and lilac hedges along the south and east property lines. In addition, the petitioner is proposing additional landscaping and the required screening fence between the commercial and residential districts. Ms. McPherson stated the rezoning will increase the amount of commercial zoning at this intersection; however, this parcel would be approximately the same size as the Christensen Auto Body and Riverside Car Wash and small retail center, all currently zoned commercial. Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner has submitted for staff review the results of the soil borings that were conducted on site for potential soil contamination from the existing underground tanks. The soil test results were negative for soil contamination, and the City Engineering Department has reviewed those results. Ms. McPherson stated staff is recommending the Planning Commission recommend to City Council approval of this rezoning request with r`� two stipulations: 1. Approval of the special use permit and variance requests 2. The parcels shall be combined into one tax parcel. Mr. Gary Andelin, Murphy oil, stated they are trying to comply as much as possible with City requirements. They are trying to take a building that was built in the 50's or 60's and improve it to the look of the 90's and become a better business in Fridley. Mr. Kondrick asked if Mr. Andelin had any reservations or questions about any restrictions or limitations being put on the property.. Mr. Andelin stated he did not. He stated it is all part of updating the property. MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to close the public hearing. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY AND THE PIIBLIC BEARING CLOBED AT 8:07 P.M. Mr. Barna stated�that by rezoning Lot 33, he did not think they ,,,� would be taking�anything away from the existing R-1 zoning available in the City. This will be an improvement to the existing � PLANNING CONIlRISBION MEETING. MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE 7 , business and will improve the traffic flow and the general look of the whole neighborhood. Mr. Kondrick asked if there has been any neighborhood objection to this proposal. Ms. McPherson stated a neighborhood meeting was held by the petitioner. Two peopl'e attended that meeting, and they were basically curious about what was going to happen on the property. However, the property owner to the east has complained about the litter and the practice of snow removal where the snow is pushed to the east into his yard. Mr. Barna stated the existing Spur Station is quite close to that property owner, and the dumpster is located on that side of the building. This new plan should improve that situation. Also, the people directly to the south attended the Appeals Commission meeting with a concern about the sidewalk area in front of their home. Ms. McPherson stated this can be addressed with the special use permit request. �, MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend to City Council approval of Rezoning, ZOA #90-01, by Murphy Oil Company, to rezone from R-1, Single Family Dwelling, to C-1, Local Business, generally located at 6443 East River Road N.E. (Spur Station), with the following stipulations: 1. Approval of the special use permit and variance requests 2. The parcels shall be combined into one tax parcel. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR DECLAR�D THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY. Ms. McPherson stated the City Council will set the public hearing for the rezoning at the March 26, 1990, meeting, and the pubic hearing on the rezoning will be held on April 9, 1990. 3. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SP �90-01. BY MURPHY OIL CO.: ' Per Section 205.13.01.C.7 of the Fridley City Code to allow a motor vehicle fuel and oil dispensing service as an accessory use to a convenience store, generally located at 6485 and 6443 East River Road N.E. (Spur Station). MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Barna, to waive the reading of � the public hearing notice and open the public hearing. � PLANNINa COP�IISSION MEETING. MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE 8 IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTINa AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOIIBLY AND THE PIIHLIC HEARIN(� OPEN AT 8:10 P.M. Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is proposing to close and rearrange some of the existing curb cuts. The first curb cut east- bound on Mississippi Street will be closed and the two curb cuts on East River Road will be shifted further south away from the intersection. There is some concern as the right turn lane onto Mississippi from East River Road curves in front of those two driveways. Anoka County has reviewed this plan and has recommended, although no correspondence has been received, to close the northernmost driveway on East River Road. The petitioner is proposing to shift that driveway even farther south and change the radii on that driveway such that it will allow a northbound exit from that driveway but will have the appearance of a one-way in only. There will be adequate space for cars to go in and out at the same time; however, it is the intent through the design to discourage people from exiting northbound on East River Road. Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner has been very cooperative and has worked with City staff in trying to find a solution that will work for both the petitioner and lessen the traffic hazards at this �"� corner . Ms. McPherson stated, as stated by Mr. Barna, Mr. and Mrs. Franklin who live directly south of this site are concerned about the existence of a sidewalk af some kind along the west and north property lines of this parcel. In order to catch the public school bus on Ashton Avenue, their children need to walk along that sidewalk to Ashton Avenue. Ms. McPherson stated the Engineering and Planning staff inet with the petitioner on site to discuss the issue of the sidewalk. Mr. Franklin brought up some issues of maintenance. He is currently clearing the snow on the paved area that is there now, because the area is not wide enough for the City's snow removal equipment. The petitioner will be removing the existing asphalt paving and will be constructing a concrete sidewalk at a slope that will be adequate for the City's snow removal equipment. In addition, there is an existing power pole on the site that narrows the amount of room needed to construct a sidewalk. The petitioner has spoken with the utility company, and the utility company will be moving that pole so the 5 ft. wide sidewalk can be constructed along the west property.line. So, the sidewalk issue has been resolved. Ms. McPherson stated staff recommends the Planning Commission recommend to City Council approval of the special use permit with � four stipulations: � PLANNING COMMI88ION MEETINa, MARCH 14, 1990 PAGE 9 ,n 1. Reconstruct the existing sidewalk to a minimum width of five feet from the south property lines around the site to the northeast corner. 2. Drainage calculations shall be submitted to the Engineering Department prior to issuance of a building permit. 3. The driveway issue shall be resolved with Anoka County prior to the issuance of a building permit. 4. Approval of the variance request Mr. Dahlberg asked if a grading and drainage plan has been submitted. Ms. McPherson stated a grading and drainage plan has been submitted. It is the petitioner's intention to have an infiltration trench in the grassy area directly to the east of the building. Additional drainage will occur toward the green area at the south of the site. That has also been left for snow storage and drainage. Mark Winson, Assistant Public Works Director, has not yet received the drainage calculations. Mr. Dahlberg stated this project really should have little impact on the neighbors to the east except for the two closest residences to the east. Mr. Saba asked about the store's operating hours. Mr. Andelin stated the hours are up to the lessee; however, it has been a 24 hour operation, and they wish to continue that. Mr. Kondrick asked about lighting. Has there been complaints about lighting into the neighborhood? Ms. McPherson stated she has not received any complaints about lights or the current operation. Mr. Andelin stated at the present time, they have area lights on the entrances and egress. They try to keep maximum lighting for security purposes. The lights are wall mounted and on the canopy. He stated he can foresee no area lights in back of the building, but they do try to keep as much lighting as possible at the entrances for traffic. The canopy lights do give a majority of the lighting. They will keep the lights to a minimum on height, so the lighting will not go over into the residential properties. � Mr. Saba asked about any plans for a P.A. system. � PLANNING COMMIBBION MEETING, MARCH 14, 1990 PAdE 10 Mr. Andelin stated they are required by law to have an intercom system. This is used mainly to contact people at the gas pumps. It is not a loud system. Mr. Barna asked about any plans for signage. Mr. Andelin stated that at the present time, they will not be changing the signage. The sign will remain in approximately the same location as it is now. Mr. Dahlberg stated staff can review the existing condition of the signage and review the requirements of the Sign Ordinance with the petitioner. Mr. Dahlberg stated the present lessee stores his mobile home on the site a great percentage of the time. He believed the Planning Commission would like that not to be there. He would not suggest that this concern be part of the approval of the special use permit, but is there anything the petitioner can do about it? Mr. Andelin stated that as part of their lease package, this type of storage is not supposed to be happening. � Mr. Dahlberg stated he thought the site plan is a significant improvement over the existing site. He would like to discuss a possible change to what has been proposed. He stated the property line is very close to the two residences on the east, and the parking and hard surface is being moved away from that property line. He would suggest that this be turned around and the fence and landscaping be put on the opposite side of the fence, rather than having the fence towards the residence and landscaping on the service station side. He would think the neighbors would rather look at greenery than a wooden fence and the neighbor would perceive his yard as being larger. The issue is that it is a maintenance headache for the owner of the property, because they have to go outside their property to maintain the landscaping and pick up litter along the fence. If the fence could maybe not follow the property line but could cut off on a diagonal by the trees and put some landscaping on the residence's side, it would seem to be a more neighborly approach. This is a suggestion for the petitioner to consider. Mr. Dahlberg stated another concern is whether or not there is standing water in the ponding area. He believed there are requirements relative to fencing around detention and retention ponds. With standing water, there is potentially a hazard for children. This may or may not be a problem, but it is something that should be investigated. r"� �..1 PLANNING CONIldiISBION MEBTING. MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE 11 Ms. McPherson stated Mr. Winson may be looking at this issue when he looks at the drainage calculations and the volume of water that would be retained. Mr. Dahlberg stated he concurred with the County relative to the northernmost curb cut onto the site from East River Road. The revised sketch indicates that the north edge of that curb cut is 100 ft. probably from the center line or edge of the traffic lane on Mississippi Street, but not 100 ft. from the turn lane. He felt that the curb cut is too close to that intersection, even though it does have a configuration such that it will draw traffic in and potentially discourage people from going back out, it will not discourage people entirely from going out that curb cut. He would suggest that aurb cut be no farther north than the present south curb cut. This is a busy intersection, and a lot of traffic goes east on Mississippi Street off East River Road. Mr. Andelin stated that as long as the variance is not affected, he is certainly willing to have LBH Architects look at it. Mr. Dahlberg stated he has no difficulty with the two curb cuts on East River Road as long as the northernmost curb cut is moved to the south at the location of the present southerly curb cut which � he feels is a reasonable distance from the intersection, even to the extent that vehicles could make that right turn and head north onto East River Road without too much difficulty. Mr. Dahlberg stated the County has given them no information as to why they are recommending only one curb cut on East River Road. Mr. Dahlberg stated that on the southerly curb cut, it appears to him that as traffic is heading into the parking area, it is better to design that curb cut 90 degrees perpendicular to the street rather than perpendicular to the parking area. It is just a better design for access to that parking area at the south. This is just another suggestion for the architect to consider. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to close the public hearing. OPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY AND THE PIIBLIC HEARINa CLOSED AT 8:55 P.M. MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Barna, to recommend to City Council approval of Special Use Permit, SP #90-01, by Murphy Oil Company, per Section 205.13.O1.C.7 of the Fridley City Code to allow a motor vehicle fuel and oil dispensing service as an ,� accessory use to a convenience store, generally located at 6485 and 6443 East River Road N.E. (Spur Station), with consideration to be given to investigating the location of the northernmost curb cut � PLANNING COMMI88ION ME$TING� MARCH 14, 1990 PAGE 12 on East River Road, investigating the requirements of drainage in terms of ponding, and investigating the appropriateness or advisability of potentially relocating the landscaping and the fence configuration on the east side of the property, and with the following stipulations: 1. Reconstruct the existing sidewalk to a minimum width of five feet from the south property lines around the site to the northeast corner. 2. Drainage calculations shall be submitted to the Engineering Department prior to issuance of a building permit. 3. The driveway issue shall be resolved with Anoka County prior to the issuance of a building permit. 4. Approval of the variance request IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTINa AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED DNANIMOIISI�Y. Ms. McPherson stated the Council will set a public hearing at their � April 9th meeting for April 23, 1990. 4. CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION OF ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS: Ms. Dacy stated that after the February 26, 1990, meeting, the Council discussed the parking stall issue, lot coverage issue, and the landscaping issue. As far as the parking stall size, the Council stated that a 9 ft. parking stall should be used in areas where there is: 1. Long term employee parking 2. Parking ramps 3. Apartment buildings 4. Industrial buildings 5. Some office facilities, but not including medical clinics 6. Redevelopment districts with a special use permit Ms. Dacy stated the Council preferred to keep the 10 ft. wide parking stalls for high turn-over facilities, especially for shopping centers or retail areas and locations such as Unity ^ Hospital and associated clinics. As far as striping, the Council wanted both 9 ft. and 10 ft. stalls to be double striped. � PLANNING CONIIKIBSION MEETINa. MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE 13 Ms. Dacy stated the Planning Commission should review these policies regarding parking stall size and determine if they want to make any recommendations or additions to the City Council. Ms. Dacy stated the City Council recommended that lot coverage may be increased up to l0o in industrial districts only with a special use permit. Previously, the Planning Commission had discussed the possibility of deleting the special use permit requirement. The Council wanted to start with industrial districts first and see what happens and then possibly consider amending the commercial districts. Also important is that the Council wanted staff to develop some type of standards for the Planning Commission and Council to adopt to evaluate these permit requests. Ms. Dacy stated that regarding the landscaping ordinance, Council has asked staff to prepare the following additional information: 1. Evaluation of the costs of the landscaping requirements as a percentage of the total construction budget. 2. Examine the new fire station site plans for conformance to the landscape ordinance, re-evaluate and draft new language regarding the sections for compliance by � existing uses. Ms . Dacy stated that at the meeting, the Council had a question regarding when exactly do existing uses have to conform and when should they do that--upon the time of expansion or is there a set time period? There is a section of the code that provides for that now, but Council wants to look at it again. Ms. Dacy stated the sign ordinance changes will be discussed at a Council meetings in April. Ms. Dacy stated the Council has asked the Planning Commission for input regarding the parking stall sizes. Mr. Dahlberg stated he did not agree with the Council's revised direction on parking stall sizes. He stated he thinks all parking stalls should be 9 ft., and there should be no differentiation between areas, because it would be very difficult to control or monitor. Maintaining a 9 ft. stall dimension is certainly more than adequate for almost any vehicle today, except trucks or RV's. Mr. Kondrick agreed with the 9 ft. stall dimension. Mr. Saba stated he liked the idea of the double striping. Councilmember Billings stated the Council appreciates the fact that �� the Planning Commission prefers 9 ft. stalls; however, the majority of the Council does not want 9 ft. stalls all over, so they are ^ PLANNING COMMI88ION MEETING MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE 14 proposing a policy of where they think 9 ft. stalls can work and where they cannot work. The Council is asking the Planning Commission to review this policy. Mr. Dahlberg stated he just does not agree that it should be split between 9 ft. and 10 ft. stalls, because he did not think they should create the enforcement headache. As far as the Council's proposed policy, he did not have any difficulty with the areas the Council has selected for 9 ft. stalls. Fundamentally, he just does not agree with 10 ft. stalls, so he cannot agree that one use is more appropriate at 10 ft. versus another. Councilmember Schneider stated there are Councilmembers who fundamentally agree that there should only be 10 ft. stalls, so this policy is a compromise. The Commissioners agreed that this compromise was a good place to start. Ms. Dacy stated the lot coverage and landscaping issues will be discussed by the Council again, and she will keep the Commission updated. � Ms. Dacy stated that included in the agenda packet, as part of the parking stall issue, was a listing of parking ratios for retail or shopping centers for other communities. Staff is asking the Council to investigate whether or not the City should be requiring one space for every 150 sq. ft. versus one space for every 200 sq. ft. Staff would like to go to a graduated approach where as a shopping center gets larger, the requirement should be one space for every 200 sq. ft., because there is more traffic turnover and the 1- 150 ratio is too much especially for a larger center and they may be overparking the facility. MOTION by Mr. Dahlberg, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Planning Commission concurs with the City Council's proposed policy regarding parking stall widths. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYL, VICE-CHAIRPERSON RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. 5. RECEIVE JANUARY 3 1990 ENVIRONMENTAL OUALITY & ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to receive the January 3, 1990, Environmental Quality & Energy Commission minutes. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYB, VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. �`, 6. RECEIVE FEBRUARY 1, 1990. HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: �,,,1 PLANNINa COMMISSION MEETING� MARCH 14. 1990 PAGE 15 MOTION by Mr. Dahlberg, seconded by Mr. Barna, to receive the February 1, 1990, Human Resources Commission minutes. IIPON A VOICE VOTS, ALL VOTINa AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY. 7. RECEIVE FEBRUARY 5, 1990. PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to receive the February 5, 1990, Parks and Recreation Commission minutes. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTINa AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERBON KONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY. 8. RECEIVE FEBRUARY 8 1990. HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES• MOTION by Mr. Dahlberg, seconded by Mr. Saba, to receive the February 8, 1990, Housing and Redevelopment Authority minutes. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIN(� AYE, VICE-CBAIRPER80N RONDItICR r"� DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY. 9. RECEIVE FEBRUARY 20. 1990, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to receive the February 20, 1990, Appeals Commission minutes. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERBON RONDRICR DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED DNANIMOIIBLY. 10. RECEIVE MARCH 6. 1990, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. 5aba, to receive the March 6, 1990, Appeals Commission minutes. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTINa AYE� VICE-CHAIRPER80N RONDRICR DECLARED T8E MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY. 11. OTHER BUSINESS: a. R.T.B. Chair's Advisory Newsletter dated 2/28/90 For the Commission's information b. Earth Day n Mr. Saba stated he and the Environmental Quality and Energy Commission would like to remind the Planning PLANNING CO1�lI88ION MEETINa. MARCB 14. 1990 PAGE 16 �"� - Commission members that Earth Day will be Sunday, April 22, 1990, and invite them to the celebration at Springbrook Nature Center. He stated they will be passing out information on what can be done in the community to help people become more environmentally sensible and responsible. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Dahlberg, to adjourn the meeting. IIpon a voice vote, all votinq aye, Vice-Chairperson Rondrick declared the motion carried unanimously and the MarCh 14, 1990, Planninq commission meetinq a8journed at 9:35 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Lyn Saba Recording Secretary � �