PL 05/18/1994 - 30789CITY OF FRIDLEY
� PLANNING COMMI88ION MEETING, MAY 18, 1994
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CALL TO ORDER•
Chairperson Newman called the May 18, 1994, Planning Commission
meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL•
Members Present: Dave Newman, Dean Saba, Diane Savage,
LeRoy Oquist, Connie Modig, Brad Sielaff
Members Absent: Dave Kondrick
Others Present: Barbara Dacy, Community Development Director
Michele McPherson, Planning Assistant
Paul Harstad, Harstad Companies
Forrest Harstad, Twin City Townhomes
Tedd Mattke, Mattke Engineering
Ed Dropps, Cypress Development
See attached list
APPROVAL OF MAY 4, 1994. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES•
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Saba, to approve the May 4,
1994, Planning Commission minutes as written.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON NSAMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A WETLAND REPLACEMENT PLAN
WI2 #94-01. BY PAUL HARSTAD:
Per Section 205.27 of the Fridley City Code, to allow the
filling of a wetland for construction of a single family
dwelling on Lot 6, Block 2, Innsbruck North 2nd Addition,
generally located at 5470 and 5490 East Danube Road N.E.
MOTION by Ms. Savage, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to waive the reading
of the public hearing notice and open the public hearing.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPER80N NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PIIBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:32 P.M.
Ms. McPherson stated the subject parcels are generally located near
the intersection of East and West Danube Roads, east of Matterhorn
Drive, and south of North Innsbruck Drive. This request comes as
a result of two actions--one at the state level and one at the
local level. In 1991, the State Legislature passed the 1991
Wetland Conservation Act (WCA). This Act is an attempt to limit
�`�`, the loss of wetlands to no net loss. The City adopted the O-4
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Overlay District which is the Wetland Preservation District. This
basically put the State Statute into a working document that the
City can use to enforce the State Statute passed in 1991.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is requesting that this
replacement plan be approved to allow the filling of 2,800 square
feet of Type 4 wetland. The replacement plan proposes to create
2,500 square feet of Type 4 wetland.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner has also applied for variances
which will be heard by the Appeals Commission on May 24, 1994.
Ms. McPherson stated the subject parcels are zoned R-1, Single
Family Dwelling, as are the surrounding parcels. This particular
subject parcel has had a lengthy history regarding to the wetlands
located on it. The earliest documentation was in 1973 in which
the property owner in developing the area requested that the
assessments for water main, sanitary sewer, and street construction
be reduced on these particular lots due to the fact that they
might not be buildable due to the presence of wetlands.
Ms. McPherson stated that in 1977, the DNR declared that the
wetlands located on these parcels and other parcels in the
Innsbruck area would fall under the DNR's jurisdiction and would
require permits from the DNR prior to development.
Ms. McPherson stated the remainder of the documentation occurred
in the late 1970s, predominately in ].977 and 1978. In 1986, the
City issued a land alteration permit to Hearthstone Homes to fill
the properties from the front property lines to the drainage
easement located 20 and 40 feet from the westerly lot lines. In
reviewing the plans submitted by the petitioner, staff determined
that the filling did not occur to the extent that would have been
permitted under that land alteration permit. That land alteration
permit expired on December 31, 1986, and the City has not issued
any subsequent land alteration permits.
Ms. McPherson stated staff reviewed the aerial photos located at
the Municipal Center. In 1977, the aerial photo showed that an
extensive Type 3 or 4 wetland was located on both 5470 and 5490
East Danube. The 1981 aerial showed that filling had occurred on
a small portion of the wetland on Lot 5 which is the northerly lot,
and in 1985, no further filling as compared to 1981 had occurred.
Ms. McPherson stated that in 1993, staff inet with the petitioner
on site as a result from a complaint from a neighbor. The
petitioner was informed at that time that he would need to comply
with the 1991 Wetland Conservation Act prior to the issuance of a
building permit.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is proposing to fill the lots
�� in order to construct single family dwellings on both Lot 5, 5490
East Danube Road, which was filled previously, and Lot 6, 5470 East
Danube Road. Lot 6 will receive the most impact for the wetlands.
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Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner has submitted a Wetland
Delineation Plan as well as a Wetland Replacement Plan.
Ms. McPherson stated a Type 4 wetland is located on the subject
parcel. Wetlands of this particular type are characterized by open
water with a depth of 2-3 feet. Vegetation associated with this
wetland includes cottonwood, black willow, dogwood, reed canary
qrass, and pinkweed. This wetland is also part of an overall
drainage system for the neighborhood.
Ms. McPherson stated staff has determined that the subwatershed is
defined by Matterhorn Drive on the west, Gardena Avenue on the
north, and I-694 on the south. Water flows west from the wetland
west of West Danube Road, under West Danube into the subject
wetland, and out of the wetland under East Danube Road into Farr
Lake. In addition, Farr Lake also receives storm water from Black
Forrest Condominiums and the North Innsbruck Townhomes.
Ms. McPherson stated that in the petitioner's wetland replacement
plan, staff reviewed the requirements of the O-4 Wetland Overlay
District which has been adopted by the City and which includes the
requirements of the State Statute. The petitioner is missing eight
items which are required as part of the submission of the wetland
replacement plan for the impacted wetland:
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1. Wetland location with a public land survey coordinate of
the wetland center
2. The overall size of the wetland including that portion
not on the subject parcel
3. The wetland type as defined by USFW Circular 39 and
National wetland Inventory mapping conventions
4. A soils map or soils information provided by soil borings
5. The size of the watershed draining into the wetland area
6. Location of inlets and outlets
7. A map or written description of the land use within one
mile of the watershed
8. Evidence of ownership
Ms. McPherson stated staff inet with the Rice Creek Watershed
Administrator, Kate Drewry, on the site on May 10, 1994. They were
able to speak with one of the neighbors at that time. The
Administrator supplied staff with a second delineation plan that
had been submitted by the petitioner in April 1993. The two
�� delineations did not match; and on May il, 1994, staff conferred
� with the City's consultant, Peterson Environmental Consulting to
do a visual site visit of the subject parcel to determine if the
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delineation submitted by the petitioner is accurate. The
consultant confirmed that the delineation submitted by the
petitioner is accurate and would be acceptable as far as the
Statute and ordinance.
Ms. McPherson stated staff reviewed the sequencing requirements of
the wetland ordinance. Any developer wishing to fill or drain a
wetland needs to go through five steps to minimize or avoid impact
to wetlands. The petitioner did provide three alternatives which
would avoid impact to the wetland:
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3.
Choose not to build on Lot 6.
Construct a home on pilings on Lot 6.
Build a smaller home on Lot 6.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner dismissed the first alternative
using the "takings" argument that he would not receive the economic
return he intended to receive when he first purchased the property.
The petitioner also indicated that there is an exemption in the
State Statute which applies to platted properties which have
improvements and/or infrastructure installed or having local site
plan approval, conditional use permits, or similar official
approval by a governing body or government agency.
Ms. McPherson stated that while this particular parcel does have
utilities stubbed to it and there is infrastructure which would
serve this particular lot, the petitioner did not apply for a
building permit or land alteration permit within the window that
is permitted in the State Statute which is from July 1, 1986, to
January 1, 1992. Staff is reluctant to extend this window outside
the five year window defined in the Statute.
Ms. McPherson stated the Board of Water and Soil Resources (BWSR),
the state agency that wrote the rules for the State Statute, would
have the regulatory authority to make the interpretation that this
parcel would be exempt from the State Statute based on that
particular exemption. Staff is taking the stand that the exemption
does not apply to this parcel.
Ms. McPherson stated the second alternative the petitioner
presented was to construct a dwelling on pilings. The petitioner
stated this would be a cost-prohibitive alternative and is not an
accepted way of constructing a dwelling unit. The petitioner did
not submit expert testimony from a structural engineer to support
the statements he made. The petitioner should submit such
information from a professional to support his argument.
Ms. McPherson stated that in the third alternative, the petitioner
stated that a smaller house would not fit into this particular
� neighborhood nor would it meet the City's minimum house size
requirements of 1,020 square feet. The petitioner stated that a
house size small enough to meet the setback requirements and to
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��� avoid all wetland impacts would need to be 15 feet by 45 feet. The
petitioner is correct that the house would not meet the minimum
dwelling size; however, if a front yard variance was granted by the
City, the petitioner could construct a house pad of 30 feet by 50
feet which would eliminate most impact to the wetland and would
allow the petitioner to possibly fall under the 400 square foot
exemption which is in the Statute and the ordinance.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner also did not explore the use
of retaining walls to reduce the amount of fill needed around the
dwelling unit along the rear and side walls.
Ms. McPherson stated that in terms of the wetland replacement plan,
the last item staff reviewed was the information submitted and the
replacement ratio proposed by the petitioner. The State Statute
and the local ordinance require that replacement be at a minimum
rate of two acres created wetland for every one acre of wetland
which is impacted. The petitioner is proposing a wetland
replacement rate of less than 1:1 if no setback variances were
granted by the City. If the setback variance is granted by the
City, the petitioner could meet the 1:1 ratio of one acre of
wetland created for every one acre impacted.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner also did not submit
approximately eleven items which are required as part of
;� identifying the replacement of wetland and also the monitoring plan
which is required to monitor the created wetland for a five year
period after the wetland is created.
Ms. McPherson stated that as the petitioner cannot meet the 2:1
ratio, the City cannot approve the replacement plan as the State
Statute and the local ordinance require a minimum replacement ratio
of 2:1.
Ms. McPherson stated staff recommends that the Planning Commission
recommend denial of the replacement plan as it is proposed based
on two findings of fact:
1. Feasible and prudent alternatives exist which avoid
impacts to the wetlands (Section 205.27.05.D.(3)).
2. The proposed replacement ratio is less than the 2:1 ratio
required by Statute and local ordinance (Section
205.27.10.D).
Mr. Sielaff stated that the Environmental Quality and Energy
Commission reviewed this proposal at their meeting on May 17, 1994,
and passed a resolution agreeing with staff's recommendation and
stipulations.
Mr. �aul Harstad stated that he is representing Harstad Companies.
%�. He stated this is primarily a procedural matt�er. They are well
aware that they have not met the very stringent requirements of the
Wetland Conservation Act. They are asking for the Commission's
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'� denial, and then the next step will be to appeal that denial to the
State Board in the hope of receiving a very specific exemption in
the law. It is regarding the fact that utilities are stubbed to
the site, the lots are platted, etc.
Mr. Harstad stated that in the event that they do not receive that
exemption, they would then have to find feasible and prudent
alternatives as described by staff. If they determine that a
smaller house size as suggested by staff is not sufficient for
homes in this neighborhood, then they would challenge the law at
the state level.
Mr. Harstad stated that subsequent to the Wetland Replacement Plan,
he also sent a letter to Ms. McPherson dated April 29, 1994, in
which he requested a 15 foot setback variance for Lot 6 and a 10
foot setback variance for Lot 5. The purpose of this variance was
to minimize the impact to the wetland. He would still like to
proceed with the variance request. If they receive the variance
as requested, they would be reducing the fill area from 2,500
square feet to 1,900 square feet.
Mr. Harstad stated floor plans were submitted, along with the
Wetland Replacement Plan, one of which was designed in early 1986
that was to fit on Lot 5. The proposal by staff to build a two-
story house should be considered, but it would probably be a two-
;� story house without a basement, making it very difficult to sell
in Minnesota.
Mr. Newman stated he appreciated NIr. Harstad's candor as to his
intent for this request; but if Mr. Harstad needs to build a record
for his appeal to BWSR, he is invited to take advantage of that
opportunity and supplement whatever information he has already
given the Commission and those in the audience.
Mr. Harstad stated staff has stated that there are a number of
items that were not included in their Wetland Replacement Plan.
They are aware of that and are• happy of the fact that the
Commission will deny the request because they are not meeting the
2:1 requirement. He would have a difficult time if the Commission
tabled this request until they were able to submit all those other
items. Some of those items are time-consuming and costly, and they
are not sure at this point that they will be required to submit
them prior to receiving a decision from BWSR. He stated he had no
further comments.
Mr. Bob Horeck, 5505 West Danube Road, stated he lives on Lot 9,
directly behind the stated lots. They built their house on this
lot in 1974. At that time, they were promised that Lots 5 and 6
were unbuildable and were going to be declared as wetlands and were
going to be left as wetlands. He stated they purchased this lot
because they wanted to live by the woods and they wanted privacy
�, which they have had for 20 years. They spent five years trying to
get Lots 5 and 6 declared as wetlands; and in 1991, they were
declared as wetlands. He stated nothing has really changed, except
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' for the construction that was done by Harstad in 1992.
Approximately 20-25 truckloads of dirt were dumped primarily on Lot
5.
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Mr. Horeck stated they have the lowest lot in the neighborhood.
The road on Lots 5 and 6 is roughly 10-15 feet higher than his back
yard. If those lots are filled in, all the drainage has to come
into his back yard. The soil is solid clay, and clay does not
absorb the moisture. Since the fill happened in 1992, they have
had water problems. They have to run their sump pump constantly
to keep water out of the basement. Right now, the water is almost
at the highest it has been in years. By filling the back yard of
Lot 6, it would greatly jeopardize their property, and it would be
in direct disagreement with all the things they have been told in
the past. Wetlands should not be declared anything but wetlands.
Mr. Horeck stated his recommendation is that the Planning
Commission not take any action or just table the discussion and
require Mr. Harstad to meet all the requirements. Quite frankly,
he would like to see this drag on for years.
Mr. Bryan Steppe, 5528 West Danube Road, stated these lots are
wetlands, and he is concerned about the drainage. Even if there
is some kind of wetland replacement, that doesn't mean the drainage
is going to work properly.
Ms. Sue Williams, 5568 West Danube Road, gave the Commission copies
of a letter she had written to Mr. Pete Fryer regarding further
development in this drainage area. She would like it included with
the record. She stated she purchased her lot in 1977 from Keith
and Diane Harstad. They told her that Lots 5 and 6 were wetlands.
Mr. Keith Harstad had to fill a little bit of the edge of the pond
to make her lot "buildable". Mr. Keith Harstad is responsible for
the level of her basement. He, along with the Fridley City
Engineer, assured her that the drainage areas of the pond were not
that big and that even with a 100 year rain, the water would not
come into her basement as long as the drainage area was maintained.
Ms. Williams stated her basement has already been jeopardized, and
filling Lot 6 will further seal her doom when the next 100 year
rain comes. She hoped the City would feel responsible if she sues
the City for a wet basement, because that is what she will do. She
will also get the names of everybody involved and make a civil suit
for everyone who makes such a decision. It is just criminal that
the Harstad Company appears to be able to do whatever they want to
do. The Harstads promised that these lots would remain wetlands,
and she is tired of all these broken promises. She would
appreciate it if the City would not let them do everything they
want to do anytime they want to do it.
Mr. Norman�Nault, 5535 West Danube Road, stated that in 1992, the
� Harstads did fill quite a bit in the lot behind him. Prior to that
time, they never had any water problems in the back yard. Two
weeks ago when there was a heavy rain, the water was about 10 feet
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� from his walkout. The Harstads promised these lots were going to
be wetlands. The Harstads have not paid taxes on these lots,
because they were declared wetlands, and now they want to develop
them. The Harstads want a denial so they can appeal it, sa they
can find a sympathetic body. And, if they get the variance, they
will not even have to fill Lot 6. Some unsuspecting soul will buy
a great house in a great neighborhood, and then later they will
realize the problems when they try to sell it.
Ms. Darlene Blank, 5544 East Danube Road, stated her family moved
here in August 1993. Their lot sits right on the wetland, which
is a home to all kinds of animals, ducks, birds, frogs, etc. They
wanted to live in a community that was like living in the outdoors.
Her youngest son is an avid hockey player and has enjoyed skating
on this wetland in the wintertime. She would hate to see this area
which is now being used by children and being appreciated by the
neighbors developed because someone wants to make a profit off the
land.
Mr. Tom Fisher, 5477 East Danube Road, stated he lives directly
across East Danube Road from Lot 6. The Harstads received a permit
to fill this lot in 1986. He stated that regarding the filling in
1992, he called the City at least twice and someone from the City
came out and he showed them where the fill was taking place. He
watched the trucks dump on that lot. He complained to Mr. Harstad.
,�, Subsequent to that, additional dumping was done so that they now
have mounds of dirt piled on the lot. He called the City again and
asked for someone to come out and look at the lot. He was told by
a City staff person that the Harstads could not overfill the lot
and just leave piles of dirt there and that the piles would have
to be removed. He stated nothing has been removed, and the piles
of dirt are overgrown with weeds. He would like to know who gave
the Harstads permission to fill in 1992. If no one did, then
should the Commission be listening to representation from Mr.
Harstad?
Mr. Fisher stated the people represented at the meeting were told
by Mr. Keith Harstad that these lots were wetlands and would never
be built on. He purchased his lot from a previous owner and built
his house in 1977 after being assured by Mr. Harstad that the lots
across the street would always be wetlands and were unbuildable.
It is hard for the neighbors to believe that the Harstads are being
harmed when the neighbors were told by the Harstads that they did
not plan to build on these lots.
Mr. Fisher reviewed the drainage from the wetlands under East
Danube Road between his house and the house to the north to Farr
Lake. The outlet does not outlet into Farr Lake. Surrounding Farr
Lake is a walking path. The outlet is about 15-20 feet short of
the walking path which makes the water dump into his back yard.
He built a berm around his back yard so there is a kind of wetland
� area that surrounds his back yard and fills up from this pond.
When it fills sufficiently, the water begins to dribble across the
path into Farr Lake. The problem is that in a 100 year rain or
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� even before that, Farr Lake does not drain out as fast as it drains
in, and the water starts backing up into his back yard. If the
pond is made smaller and even if they let it drain, all he is going
to get is more water in his back yard. And, if Farr Lake is not
draining, then he has a serious water problem.
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Mr. Fisher stated that prior to 1992, he had a sump in his basement
with no pump and never had any water in the sump. Since the fill
was dumped in 1992, he has to take bucketloads of water out of his
sump all the time. He can only see more problems if more fill is
allowed in this area.
Mr. Fisher stated he is asking the Planning Commission and the City
Council to consider one other serious point. Do they make good Mr.
Harstad's expectation that he can build on this lot to the
detriment of all the neighbors surrounding the property, or do they
consider the citizens who live here and had certain representations
made to them by the Harstads? Who has the rights here, and where
are the City's liabilities? It may be a catch-22 for the City, but
he believed the City has some liabilities they need to seriously
consider.
Mr. Newman asked Mr. Fisher to check his notes to see if he could
find the name of the City staff person he talked to in 1992 and
notify Ms. McPherson.
Mr. Fisher submitted a letter dated May 18, 1994, which he wrote
to the Planning Commission which reiterated some of the things he
has been talking about.
Mr. Roman Zawnirowycz, 5527 East Danube Road, stated he lives
across from Lot 5. He moved there in 1986, and he has not had any
contact with any of the Harstads. Within a year of 1986, a large
area in Lot 5 was dug out as if a house was going up, and then the
entire area was filled in. Since that time, mounds of dirt have
been dwnped on the lot. He submitted some photos for the record.
He stated this is a beautiful area, and all the neighbors want it
to remain that way. They are all concerned, not only about the
beauty of the area, but about the drainage problems which were not
really addressed in the staff report.
Mr. Zawnirowycz stated he also started having water problems in
his basement about 1992. He has records of people he has hired to
fix water drainage problems. The drainage problems seem to come
from the overflow from the area across the road. When it rains
hard, the water level rises and floods all the back yards on his
side of the street where Farr Lake is located.
Ms. Pat Freeburg, 5557 East Danube Road, stated she also started
having water problems in her basement when the lot was filled in
1992. Last week she had a tree replaced and when they dug down,
�� they could see water. Because of the fill in 1992, it diverted
the natural drainage and it is now coming under East Danube Road,
seeping through the lots.
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Ms. Freeburg stated she is also concerned with setting up two
wetland areas that are smaller than the existing wetland. The area
now supports a certain amount of wildlife. If that wetland is cut
into two smaller wetlands, ignoring all drainage problems that
would be created, they will have defeated the purpose of having the
natural wetland area.
Mr. Boyd Herdendorf, 5467 East Danube Road, asked if the Department
of Natural Resources has done any evaluation of the effects of
filling wetlands on Farr Lake or if there are plans for such a
study. If not, he would suggest that a study be done. The wetland
performs an important filtration system. If the wetlands are
filled in, the water will run directly into Farr Lake carrying
heavy sediment and debris that would come through any culvert
system and it would tend to pollute Farr Lake quicker. He believed
there might be some environmental impact on Farr Lake because of
this.
Mr. Norman Nault, 5535 West Danube Road, stated that if it appears
that Lot 6 was filled in 1992 with no permits from the City, can
some action be taken against the Harstads?
Ms. McPherson stated that if the City finds that filling was
conducted illegally, the City can require the person responsible
,�, to remove the illegal fill.
Mr. Bob Horeck, 5505 West Danube Road, stated that about four years
ago, he received a variance from the City to enlarge a deck on the
back of his house which brought it next to the culvert that runs
between Lots 5 and 6. The culvert actually comes out at the back
of his garage which is about 70-80 feet from the road and runs for
another 70 feet through the back yard as drainage into the pond.
When applying for the variance, he was informed by the City that
there would be no construction through the back involving the
culvert and it would remain that way. If any of Lot 5 and 6 is
filled further, it will require that the culvert that drains
between Lot 5 and Lot 6 over to Farr Lake be connected to the
culvert that goes across West Danube. Such construction would
require coming between him and his neighbor such that it would
require tearing down his deck.
Mr. Roger Hertel, 5501 West Danube Road, stated he did not
understand why a variance is even under consideration. The
Harstads have not been good neighbors. He built here in 1977 and
it was also represented to him that Lots 5 and 6 would remain
wetlands.
Mr. Newman stated that by ordinance and by law, any property owner
can make a petition to the City as long as the appropriate forms
� are filled out and the fees paid.
Mr. Newman stated the people in the audience have made some very
useful observations and provided some very helpful information to
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'' the Commission. He stated that regarding promises made to them by
the Harstad Company, the City has to be very careful in making its
decisions that it is not trying to enforce private agreements made
between private parties. While it is certainly useful information,
to the extent that there are claims by the buyers against the
Harstad Company because of certain representations, those concerns
might have to be addressed privately and not through the City.
Mr. Tom Fisher, 5477 East Danube Road, stated he believed these
comments are being offered as to the credibility of the person the
City is dealing with.
Ms. Darlene Blank, 5544 East Danube Road, stated she would like to
see this item tabled indefinitely until Mr. Harstad can get all the
required information.
MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Savage, to receive into the
record the following: (1) Letter from Sue Williams dated June 3,
1993, to Mr. Pete Fryer; (2) Letter from C. Tom Fisher dated May
18, 1994, to the City of Fridley Planning Commission; and (3) 19
photos.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPER80N NEpMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY.
,-� MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to close the public
hearing.
IIPON A VOICTs VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CBAIRPLR80N NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PIIBLIC HEARING� CLOSED AT 8s35 P.M.
Mr. Oquist asked what would happen if the Commission tables this
item and the petitioner then satisfies the eleven items that are
required.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner's application would then be
complete in terms of ineeting the separate requirements of the
requirements that need to be submitted for the wetland delineation
of the impacted wetlands, as well as the replacement plan and
replacement of wetlands and the monitoring plan which is a five
year plan which must be submitted by the petitioner.
Ms. McPherson stated that regarding the public's request to table
this item indefinitely, under State Statute and local ordinance,
the City must make a decision on this request within 60 days from
the date of public hearing publication in the Focus News. That
publication date was May 10, 1994.
Mr. Sielaff stated that if BWSR grants an exemption, where does
that put the City as far as denial or approval.
-� Ms. McPherson stated that if BWSR grants an exemption from the
State Statute, Mr. Harstad would not have to replace any impacted
wetland. As far as the City is concerned, the petitioner would
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��' have to comply with the land alteration permits and get a permit
from the Rice Creek Watershed District. The City or the adjacent
property owners could appeal BWSR's decision (a petition of 100
names is required) to the District Court.
Ms. McPherson stated that under State Statute, any decision
regarding any wetland replacement plan is not enacted until 30 days
after the date the decision is published in the Environmental
Quality Board Monitor, and that decision is mailed to certain state
and local departments and anyone on the mailing list who requests
notification of said decision.
Ms. McPherson stated that any residents who want to be informed
about the action taken by BWSR should contact her and she will
forward that list to BWSR.
Mr. Oquist stated that City ordinance states that any development
cannot create any more water runoff after the development than
before the development. How does the ordinance affect this
request, because any fill is going to cause more runoff?
Ms. McPherson stated that portion of the ordinance would be
reviewed during the building permit application process.
Mr. Oquist stated it sounds like the Harstads brought in fill
�� illegally on Lot 5. Until that has been investigated and
corrected, Mr. Harstad should not be allowed to proceed any
further.
Ms. McPherson stated the City does not have any formal record of
any application made for a land alteration permit for Lot 5. The
City received a complaint saying that there was filling on Lot 5.
When staff inet with the petitioner on site, there was not any
evidence of new fill being placed on the lot. At that time, the
petitioner was informed that he would need to comply �aith the 1991
Wetland Conservation Act. She stated she was one of the staff
members who visited the site in 1993 after receiving complaints
from a neighbor. At that time, she made a note to the Building
Inspection Department that no permits would be issued for these
particular parcels.
Mr. Saba stated that over many years, they have all learned a lot
about the quality of wetlands. He believed the ordinance the City
has adopted is a good one and will serve the City well . He would
like to see Wetland Replacement Plan, WR #94-01, strongly denied
based on the City's wetland ordinance and testimony received at
this meeting. He did not think tabling this request for two months
would accomplish anything.
MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to recommend to City
Council denial of Wetland Replacement Plan, WR #94-01, by Paul
%�`�`, Harstad based on the City's O-4 wetland regulations and the
following findings of fact:
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�� 1. Feasible and prudent alternatives exist which avoid
impacts to the wetlands (Section 205.27.05.D.(3)).
2. The proposed replacement ratio is less than the 2:1 ratio
required by Section 205.27.10.D.
3 The Wetland Replacement Plan application is incomplete.
Ms. Modig stated that in her opinion, the petitioner has set up
the Commission to deny this request, so that he can appeal and
override the City's decision. The neighborhood clearly does not
want this. She will only vote to table the request.
MOTION by Ms. Modig to table Wetland Replacement Plan, WR #94-01,
by Paul Harstad.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Mr. Oquist stated he agreed with Ms. Modig that they have been set
up. After hearing the neighborhood's testimony, he did not see
this company as a good neighbor. Unfortunately, the City's hands
are tied. If the Commission tables the request, they have to act
on it in 60 days, so their only option is to deny the request. He
stated the 1992 filling of Lot 5 has to be investigated and
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addressed as there seems to be a real violation there.
� Ms. Savage stated the Commission really has no other option but to
deny the request. Tabling the request is just delaying the
inevitable, and they have to let the process move forward. It is
pretty clear that an adequate record has been made, so they should
let the process take its course.
Mr. Saba stated that if the community is informed about the BWSR
hearing, he would encourage the neighbors to repeat their testimony
at that hearing.
A neighbor recommended that the City use the same mailing list of
residents within 350 feet to notify them of the BWSR hearing.
Mr. Sielaff stated the Commission needs to send a strong message
that the Commission supports the City's wetland ordinance. Tabling
the request might make the Commission look hesitant, and he did
not want anyone to have that perception at all.
Ms. Modig stated her motion to table the request was not to say
that she did not strongly support the wetland ordinance. The
reason she made the motion to table was to try to make the
petitioner submit the 11 items missing from the wetland replacement
plan.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, MODIG VOTING NAY, CBAIRPLRSON NEWMAN DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED.
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Ms. McPherson stated this item will go to the City Council on June
20, 1994.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Ms. Modig, to ask City staff and
the City Council to investigate the improper filling of Lot 5 in
1992.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYTs, CHAIRPER80N NEWMAN DECLARED T8E
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOIISLY.
Mr. ATewman stated staff has recommended that the next three public
hearings be consolidated into one to alleviate confusion during the
public discussion.
2. CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT P S. #94-04 BY FORREST
HARSTAD OF TWIN CITY TOWNHOMES:
To replat Lot 6, except the East 650 feet thereof and except
that part lying West of the Northeasterly right-of-way line
of the Outer Drive of the State Trunk Highway, Auditor's
Subdivision No, 25, Section 24, Township 30 North, Range 24
West, Anoka County, Minnesota, and Lot 7, except the East 650
feet thereof and except that part thereof lying West of the
Northeast right-of-way line of the Outer Drive of State Trunk
Highway and except the South 55 feet of the West 150 feet of
the East 800 feet thereof, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25,
� Section 24, Township 30 North, Range 24 West, Anoka County,
Minnesota, and Lot 8, except the east 800 feet thereof and
except that part thereof lying west of the Northeasterly
right-of-way line of the Outer Drive of State Trunk Highway,
Auditor's Subdivision No. 25. This property is generally
located at 971 Hillwind Road N.E.
3. CONSIDERATION OF A VACATION REOUEST SAV #94-02 BY FORREST
HARSTAD OF TWIN CITY TOWNHOMES:
To vacate that part of Lots 6, 7, and 8, all in Auditor's
Subdivision ATo. 25 and lying in the Southwest Quarter of the
Northeast Quarter of the Southwest Quarter of Section 24,
Township 30, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota described as
lying between the following described LINE 1 and a line 40.00
feet northeasterly of and parallel with the following
described LINE 3. LINE 1 is described as commencing at a
point on the east line of Section 24, Township 30 North, Range
24 West, distant 181.30 feet north of the southeast corner
thereof; thence run northwesterly at an angle of 78 degrees
39 minutes 45 seconds from said east section line (as measured
from north to west) a distance of 4081.10 feet; thence deflect
to the right at an angle of 90 degrees 00 minntes 00 seconds
a distance of 244.00 feet to the point of beginning of LINE
2 to be described; thence deflect to the left at an angle of
90 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds a distance of 278.65 feet;
thence deflect to the right at an angle of 25 degrees 44
��� minutes 00 seconds a distance of 980.13 feet and said LINE 2
there terminating; thence continuing northeasterly from the
point of termination of said LINE 2 at an angle of 90 degrees
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00 minutes 00 seconds to said LINE 2 a distance of 35.00 feet
to the point of beginning of LINE 1 to be described; thence
southeasterly to a point distant 110.00 feet northeasterly of
(as measured at right angles) a point on said LINE 2 distant
550.31 feet northwesterly of its point of beginning; thence
southeasterly to a point distant 40.00 feet northeasterly of
(measured at right angles) a point on said LINE 2 distant
115.06 feet northwesterly of its point of beginning and said
LINE 1 there terminating. LINE 3 is described as commencing
at a point on the east line of Section 24, Township 30 North,
Range 24 West, distant 181.30 feet north of the southeast
corner thereof; thence run northwesterly at an angle of 78
degrees 39 minutes 45 seconds from said east section line (as
measured from north to west) a distance of 4081.10 feet;
thence deflect to the right at an angle of 90 degrees 00
minutes 00 seconds a distance of 244.00 feet to the point of
beginning of LINE 3 to be described; thence deflect to the
left at an angle of 90 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds a
distance of 276.43 feet; thence deflect to the right at an
angle of 25 degrees 46 minutes 30 seconds a distance of 980.17
feet and said LINE 3 there terminating, generally located at
971 Hillwind Road N.E.
4. CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING REOUEST ZOA #94-02 BY FORREST
HARSTAD OF TWIN CITY TOWNHOMES•
To rezone from R-1, Single Family Dwelling to R-3, General
Multiple Family Dwelling, to allow the construction of 41
townhomes on Lot 6, except the East 650 feet thereof and
except that part lying West of the Northeasterly right-of-way
line of the Outer Drive of the State Trunk Highway, Auditor's
Subdivision No. 25, Section 24, Township 30 North, Range 24
West, Anoka County, Minnesota, and Lot 7, except the East 650
feet thereof and except that part thereof lying West of the
Northeast right-of-way line of the Outer Drive of State Trunk
Highway and except the South 55 feet of the West 150 feet of
the East 800 feet thereof, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25,
Section 24, Township 30 North, Range 24 West, Anoka County,
Minnesota, and Lot 8, except the east 800 feet thereof and
except that part thereof lying west of the Northeasterly
right-of-way line of the Outer Drive of State Trunk Highway,
Auditor's Subdivision No. 25. This property is generally
located at 971 Hillwind Road N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Saba, to waive the reading
of the public hearing notices and to open the public hearing for
P.S. #94-04, SAV #94-02, and ZOA #94-02, by Forrest Harstad of Twin
City Townhomes.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PIIBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 8:55 P.M.
�� Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is Forrest
Twin City Townhomes. The subject property is
and Oliver Erickson. The property is located
Harstad representing
owned by Edwin Dropps
adjacent to and west
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�� of Fillmore Street and east of Hillwind Road. Polk Street is
located in the northwest corner of the subject parcel. The
property is zoned both R-3, General Multiple Dwelling, and R-1,
Single Family Dwelling.
Ms. McPherson stated previous requests for the property include:
The Cottages by Arkell Development in 1977 for 60 elderly
townhomes. The request was withdrawn by the petitioner while
the City commenced its senior housing market study.
An informal requ�st from Continental Development Corporation
and Oliver Erickson in 1983 for a 60 unit apartment building
and 32 townhouse units.
A request similar to the current request by Oliver Erickson
in 1981 to rezone the property from R-1 to R-3 to construct
180 apartment units on the subject parcel and adjacent
parcels.
Ms. McPherson stated the neighborhood's concerns for all previous
requests are as follows:
1. Concern with traffic on Polk and Fillmore Streets
�. 2. Concern with drainage plans or lack of drainage plans
3. Increase in the concentration of multiple family units
4. Difficult traffic flow due ta the intersection at
Hathaway Lane and Central Avenue
5. Environmental impacts to the wetland on the site
6. Existing parking problems
Ms. McPherson stated the subject parcel has been zoned in its
present configuration since 1958. In 1985, the City rezoned Iwen
Terrace (north of the subject parcel) from R-1, Single Family
Dwelling, to R-2, Two Family Dwelling. Western Ridge Estates
(south of the subject parcel) was platted in 1983 and, in
conjunction with the plat, the City approved a rezoning from R-1,
Single Family Dwelling, R-2, Two Family Dwelling, and R-3, General
Multiple Dwelling, to R-2, Two Family Dwelling.
Ms. McPherson stated the adjacent office developments (northwest
of the subject parcel) were rezoned from R-3, General Multiple
Dwelling, to CR-1, General Office, in 1971, 1978, and 1988.
Ms. McPherson stated the parcel has a steep slope along Hillwind
Road, and the remainder of the parcel is gently sloping. A Type
�"�'' 3 or 4 wetland bisects the parcel in the southwest to northeast
direction. A storm water outlet is located on the west side, which
brings storm water from I-694 and Hillwind Road into the wetland.
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The shallow ditch at that storm water outlet can be classified as
a Type 6 shrub wetland. A variety of trees are on the site.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is proposing a 41 unit
condominium project. The parcel is proposed to be replatted into
two lots . Lot 1 will be used for the 41 condominium units and
outlot A is being held by the property owner for a possible future
multi-family project. Thirty-seven of the 41 units will be located
around a private drive, and four units will access directly onto
Fillmore Street.
Ms. McPherson stated the condominiums are similar to townhomes in
design. They are two-story, and each unit will have a two-car
garage. Both two and three bedroom units will be constructed.
The petitioner is proposing 194 parking spaces provided through
the use of garages, individual driveways, and off-the-road private
parking spaces.
Ms. McPherson stated three things limit the design of the site:
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2.
3.
The petitioner has no control over Outlot A.
The 1991 Wetland Conservation Act requires avoidance of
all wetland impacts.
The topography of the subject parcel limits access to
Fillmore Street.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner has also applied for a variance
request which will go before the Appeals Commission on Tuesday, May
24, 1994.
Rezoning Request
Ms. Dacy stated the reason for the rezoning is to rezone the
easterly 1.67 acres from R-1, Single Family Dwelling, to R-3,
General Multiple Dwelling, which permits apartment buildings,
townhomes, condominiums, two family dwellings, and single family
dwellings. Approximately 3.4 acres of the property is already
zoned R-3. The petitioner is proposing to develop condominium
units on Lot 1.
Ms. Dacy stated that using the existing ordinance, staff tried to
determined the development density. An apartment building of
approximately 38 units could be built on the R-3 two acre part of
this site. The R-1 portion of the property could be subdivided
into four single family lots, and a 60 foot wide right-of-way could
be constructed to serve the single family lots and the apartment
building.
Ms. Dacy stated the petitioner has submitted a plan that shows a
�'-`' six story apartment building of 104 two-bedroom units with adjacent
parking areas, not only on this site, but also across the wetland
on Outlot A. His point is that if the property was developed under
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the existing pattern, a significant amount of density could be
developed on the property. The petitioner also noted that the
wetland would still not be impacted and a foot bridge could be
constructed over the wetland.
Ms. Dacy stated that usually the City looks at two types of
criteria to evaluate whether or not a rezoning request is
appropriate. The first criteria is to evaluate if the proposed
development plan is consistent with the requested zoning change.
Any approval of the rezoning should be conditioned upon the
approval of the variance.request. If the variance request is not
approved, the petitioner will need to revise the site plan to
conform with the R-3 setbacks or reduce the number of units.
Ms. Dacy stated the second criteria is if the proposed rezoning
and use is consistent with adjacent uses and zoning. Except for
the Frank home to the southeast of the property, the parcel is
surrounded by similar or compatible zoning. Twinhomes and
townhomes are located to the north and south. The school separates
the use from single family areas.
Ms. Dacy stated the 1991 housing study conducted by the Housing
and Redevelopment Authority identified a market demand for this
type of housing style. The market study indicated that the primary
market for these types of owner-occupied units are single,
� professional female, empty-nesters, and other smaller size family
households.
Ms. Dacy stated staff recommends the Planning Commission recommend
approval of the rezoning request to the Council subject to the
following stipulation: Variance request, VAR #94-02, shall be
approved.
Mr. Newman stated they should probably add two more stipulations:
(1) Plat request, P.S. #94-94, shall be approved; and (2)
Vacation request, SAV #94-02, shall be approved.
Staff agreed.
Vacation Request
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is requesting the vacation of
a portion of the Minnesota Department of Transportation turnback
property which the City received from the State of Minnesota. The
proposed area (21,042 square feet) to be vacated is located
directly adjacent to Hillwind Road along the easterly right-of-way
line. The City processed and approved a similar request for the
Western Ridge Townhomes to the south to vacate the City's interest
in that particulaz area.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner has reserved adequate right-
'� of-way area for Hillwind Road for snow storage and maintenance
purposes. No City utilities are located within this area, and the
City has no further use for this property. If the City approves
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the vacation request, the City Council will also need to declare
this particular piece of property as surplus and deed it to the
petitioner to be combined with the adjacent parcels as part of the
plat.
Ms. McPherson stated staff recommends the Commission recommend
approval of the vacation request with the following stipulation:
1. Plat request, P.S. #94-04, shall be approved and the
vacated area shall be combined with the property to the
east.
Mr. Newman asked if the City customarily receives any compensation
for turning back property.
Ms. McPherson stated the City does not.
Plat Reauest
Ms. McPherson stated the request is to replat portions of Lots 6,
7, and 8 of Auditor's Subdivision No. 25. The total area to be
platted with the vacation area is 5.11 acres. Two lots will be
created, Lot 1, which is 3.85 acres, and outlot A, which is 1.26
acres. Both lots exceed the minimum lot width and lot area
requirements of the R-3 district. Lot 1 will become part of a
condominium plat whereby the association owns the land and
individual units are owned by residents. As it is a condominium
plat, it is also required to comply with the requirements in
Minnesota State Statute Chapter 515.A.
Ms. McPherson stated that traffic on site is proposed to be handled
by private driveways which will enter off Fillmore Street. The
petitioner is proposing to name the circular drive '�Fillmore
Court". Thirty-seven of the 41 units will be clustered around the
circular driveway, as well as the two north-going legs of the side
driveways. Four of the units will directly access Fillmore Street.
Ms. McPherson stated the private driveways will be 24 feet wide
and will be lined with concrete curb. The minimum Fire Department
driveway width is 20 feet. The Fire Department has requested that
these driveways be signed "no parking" on both sides, to maintain
the minimum 20 feet. The association will be responsible for
plowing, maintaining, repairing, and permitting emergency vehicle
access on the private driveways.
Ms. McPherson stated the Police and Fire Departments reviewed the
proposed plans and did not have any adverse comments. The Police
Department stated that having one entrance in and out of the
development as good in terms of police patrol.
Ms. McPherson stated the existing traffic in the area is generated
� by the single family units to the east and along Lynde Drive. It
is also generated by the multiple family units and the office uses.
The office uses generate most of their traffic on Hillwind Road.
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�� North Park Elementary School on Regis Lane is serviced by nine
buses with school starting at 8:30 a.m. and dismissing at 2:40 p.m.
Traffic leaving the subject parcel could go either east on Regis
Lane or north on Fillmore Street.
Ms. McPherson stated that aacording to the Institute of Traffic
Engineers, it is estimated that the development would generate an
additional 240 daily trips. To measure the existing daily trips,
staff placed traffic counters at the intersections of Fillmore and
Lynde Drive and across Regis Lane, just west of Regis Drive. The
daily counts average over 48 hours were approximately 630 daily
trips at Fillmore/Lynde Drive and 345 at Regis Lane. Residential
streets can typically handle approximately 1,000 trips per day.
With the estimated additional 240 trips per day, it would be
expected the capacity on adjacent roads would not be exceeded. It
is expected that most of the trips would go north on Fillmore to
access Highway 65 at Central, especially during the morning peak
hours.
Ms. McPherson stated the access for 5512 Fillmore Street is located
close to the proposed access for the development. The property
owner has indicated a willingness to share this particular access.
Easements should be executed and recorded against both properties.
Ms. McPherson stated staff did look at other access options. The
� first would be to connect to Hillwind Road; however, staff
estimated that the steep slope would be approximately 27� which
would pose a safety hazard. The second option would be for the
petitioner to purchase Lot 9, which is currently owned by the State
of Minnesota. Purchasing this lot would improve access to the site
as the road could be constructed parallel to the slope as opposed
to against the slope. The third option would be to cross the
wetland. The petitioner would need to obtain an access easement
from the property owner of Outlot A. A connection could then be
made to Polk Street.
Ms. McPherson stated the 1991 Wetland Conservation Act requires
all wetland impacts to be avoided whenever possible. The best way
to avoid any impact would be to construct a bridge, or to construct
a road using a culvert which would require filling a portion of the
wetland. Filling any portion of the wetland would require a 2:1
replacement. Staff is reluctant to recommend pursuing this option
because it would be contrary to the intent of the wetland
protection ordinance.
Drainaqe
Ms. McPherson stated the existing stormwater flows from the
stormwater pipe located adjacent to Hillwind Road into the wetland
area and through the BASFU located north of the subject parcel
which is a water treatment facility installed by the City a number
� of years ago. The stormwater then leaves that particular area
through a pipe and flows north under Polk Street into Moore Lake.
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Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner submitted a grading, drainage,
and erosion control plan which the Engineering Department has
reviewed. The petitioner will need to comply with a number of
comments made by Scott Erickson, Assistant Public Works Director,
in a memo to Ms. McPherson dated May 13, 1994. In addition, a
separate permit issued by the Rice Creek Watershed District will
be required. The association will be required to maintain any
detention facilities and any other drainage-related facilities they
would install.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is proposing to install private
water and sanitary sewer lines to serve the development. However,
there is a public sanitary sewer line which services the properties
adjacent to Hillwind Road. Because that sanitary sewer line
currently crosses the development parcel, it will need to be
relocated and an easement granted as part of the plat to allow
public access for maintenance and repair of the public sanitary
sewer. The City would be held harmless for repairing any
improvements made by the association as a result of the City work
on that sewer line.
Ms. McPherson stated the association would also install new
hydrants, and arrangements should be made and authorization given
to the City Public Works Department to flush those hydrants in
accordance with City policies.
Ms. McPherson stated there are a number of trees on the parcel
which should be maintained as they are an asset to the site. Many
of the trees are located adjacent to the edge of the wetland. The
grading plan should be amended to indicate the trees which are to
be preserved.
Ms. McPherson stated the subdivision ordinance requires a park
dedication fee of either land or money. The current dedication
fee is $750 per unit which the petitioner must pay at the time of
the building permit.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner has provided a landscape plan
which needs to be revised to provide 15 six-foot evergreen trees.
This will bring the landscape plan in compliance with the
ordinance. The association will be responsible for maintaining
the landscaping.
Ms. McPherson stated the petitioner is proposing a screening buffer
of evergreen shrubs along the property line with 5512 Fillmore
Street. This area should be irrigated.
Ms. McPherson stated that regarding the plat request, staff is
recommending the Commission recommend approval to the Council with
the following 16 stipulations:
1. The petitioner shall record in the condominium declaration
that the association shall be responsible for the plowing,
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maintenance, and repair of the private roads and driveways.
The declaration shall permit emergency vehicle access.
2. The driveways shall be signed "no parking" on both sides.
The condominium declaration shall be amended to prohibit
parking on both sides of the driveways.
3. The petitioner shall place a stop sign at the intersection of
the private drive with Fillmore Street.
4. Access, maintenance,
and recorded against
Street to allow the
the access drive.
and repair easements shall be executed
the development parcel and 5512 Fillmore
resident at 5512 Fillmore Street to use
5. The condominium declaration shall be amended to require
maintenance and repair of the stormwater pond by the
association.
6. The petitioner shall comply with all comments by the
Engineering Department regarding the grading/drainage/ erosion
plan, which will consider the flow from the Western Ridge
development.
7. The petitioner shall obtain a permit from the Rice Creek
Watershed District prior to the issuance of a building permit.
8. The condominium declaration shall be amended to hold the City
harmless for the operation, maintenance, and repair of
association improvements as a result of work on the public
sewer line.
9. The condominium declaration shall require the association to
repair and maintain the private utilities.
10. The utilities shall be constructed to municipal standards.
11. The association shall authorize the Public Works Department
to flush the hydrants in accordance with City policies.�
12. The grading plan shall be amended to indicate the number of
trees to be preserved.
13. The petitioner shall pay a park dedication fee of $750.00 per
unit (41 units at $750.00 equals $30,750) prior to the
issuance of a building permit.
14. The landscape plan shall be revised to provide 15 six foot
evergreen trees. Underground irrigation shall be provided
along the R-1 property (5512 Fillmore Street).
15. The condominium declaration shall require maintenance and/or
repair of landscaping by the association.
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16. The petitioner shall submit a letter of credit in the amount
of 3% of the construction value, not to exceed $60,000, to
cover the outdoor improvements.
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Ms. McPherson stated staff is recommending the Planning Commission
recommend approval of the rezoning, the vacation request, and the
plat request, subject to the revised stipulations included with a
copy of a memo from John Flora, Public Works Director, dated May
16, 1994. The petitioner has received a copy of the amended
stipulations, Mr. Flora's memo, and Mr. Erickson's memo.
Mr. Oquist asked what are the plans for the intersection of Highway
65/Central Avenue, and has any consideration been given to the
impact on this intersection? He lives in this area, and this
intersection gets quite congested.
Ms. Dacy stated the level of development on the Lake Pointe
property on the west side of Highway 65 may require the improvement
of that intersection to add lanes on the east and west sides of
Highway 65. The current status is that the existing amount of
traffic does not require the improvement; however, with an
additional 500,000-700,000 square feet of development on the Lake
Pointe property, eventually that improvement could be implemented.
The leve� of traffic generated by the proposed townhome project
would not require the upgrade of the intersection.
Mr. Oquist stated he is concerned about the density. There is an
additional 41 units with only one exit onto Highway 65, let alone
the density and the traffic patterns that already exist within the
neighborhood. This development will definitely have some impact
on this one single intersection. The traffic is even worse on the
weekends.
Ms. Dacy stated the average daily trips number is an estimate that
is averaged over a 24 hour period. Usually, in a neighborhood,
there are staggered work hours or trips. However, that does not
negate the fact that the primary movement out of the site will go
north on Fillmore to Polk and to that intersection. Staff
acknowledges that during peak hours, the additional traffic
generated from the development will impact that intersection.
Mr. Forrest Harstad stated he would like to comment on the most
important concerns. Regarding traffic, whatever development occurs
on this piece of land will impact that intersection. It seems a
fair assessment that the intersection is in need of a little
improvement before any new development.
Mr. Harstad stated the property as it is zoned today can generate
considerably more traffic without any zoning changes or other
requests. Ted Mattke of Mattke Engineering designed a six story,
104-unit, apartment building to show what actually could be built
� on the R-3 zoned property without rezoning or variances, and the
traffic generated from that building would be considerably higher
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than his proposed development. He is pro�osing all owner-occupied
units, and the units will be sold before they are built.
Mr. Harstad stated that regarding access to Hillwind Road, he had
not really.looked at the acquisition of Lot 9 because Lot 9 is at
the top of the hill. Lot 9 would still require a considerable
amount of grading such that safety would still be a concern. It
is not impossible, but it might prove to be cost prohibitive
because of the steep grade. Also, if the traffic all accessed onto
Hillwind Road, it would still end up at the Highway 65/Central
Avenue intersection.
Mr. Harstad stated that regarding the single access into and out
of the development, he believed that is a positive for a project
like this. It keeps people from racing cars through the
development, and the Police Department has said it is easier to
police: It is more like a cul-de-sac street; it is more
neighborly. From his experience with his other townhome projects,
traffic is more easily handled with a single access.
Mr. Harstad stated there seems to be some concern over what
effectively is a concentration of multiple family units. The land
is actually zoned for significantly higher densities than what he
is proposing. And, the higher density would be rental units as
opposed to owner-occupied.
Mr. Harstad stated he can comply with all the stipulations and
requirements made by the City.
Mr. Bob Marty, 1140 Regis Lane N.E., stated he sees a lot of fast
traffic on Regis Lane. He is concerned about the traffic with the
young children in the area. One of the alternatives to help avoid
traffic hassles coming out of the proposed development would be to
go up Regis Lane to Matterhorn Drive to Gardena Avenue. He
definitely sees increased traffic on his street because of the
current speed levels.
Mr. Marty stated he
be purchased and
townhomes, could it
property?
is also concerned that if the townhomes are to
owned, if the development cannot sell the
become low income rental in order to sell the
Mr. Newman stated the City cannot restrict the developer from the
ability to rent out a unit or units as long as a rental license is
received from the City.
Mr. Marty stated there are children who do not ride the school bus
and cross the street to go to the school or the playground. The
increase in traffic could pose a problem for the children who have
to cross the street. He stated he is opposed to the development,
because of the traffic concerns and the fact that the density seems
��` a little high.
PLANNING COMMI88ION MEBTING. MAY 18. 1994 PAGE 25
� Ms. Ann Jensen, 5572 Fillmore Street, stated she lives in a
twinhome down the street. She is really concerned about the
traffic. She would much rather see townhomes than an apartment
building. She has licensed daycare, and there are children from
all over the neighborhood who play at the school playground. The
traffic has not been too bad until now; but with 41 new townhomes,
that traffic could be detrimental to the children. She stated it
would be nice if the developer would acquire the state-owned
property and access onto Hillwind Road.
Ms. Connie Masica, 1070 Lynde Drive, stated that the neighborhood
could still end up with the worst of both worlds, because Outlot
A is still available for development. If the City approves the
development of 41 townhomes, there is still the potential of an
apartment building development on Outlot A. How many additional
apartments could be put on Outlot A?
Mr. Harstad stated one of the owners of Outlot A, Edwin Dropps, is
willing to sell Outlot A. Mr. Harstad stated he could construct
between 4-6 townhomes on that parcel that would all access onto
Hillwind Road.
Ms. Dacy stated staff has not done a specific analysis on Outlot
A, but she would estimate 18-20 apartment units on the low end,
but that number could go up to 50 units depending on the site plan.
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Ms. Masica stated she has three children, so she is concerned about
the traffic with the school and the playground. She finds it a
little humorous that the Police Department approves of the single
access to the development for control when the Police Department
has not yet been able to control the problems at the Polk Street
Apartments.
Ms. Masica stated that at a District #13 School Board meeting last
fall, they were told that as of the fall of 1993, PTorth Park School
is at its maximum capacity. There is the possibility of splitting
and having only 4th and 5th grades at North Park for the whole
district, and grades K- 3 would be divided between Highland and
Valley View. Current residents who have children already enrolled
in North Park and live within that zone can still send their
children to North Park, but any new residents will be subject to
busing. She stated they really need to find out what additional
busing might be happening in this area.
Ms. Masica stated she is also concerned about the traffic at the
Highway 65 and Central Avenue intersection. She has watched four
or five green lights come and go before she can even get off
Hathaway/Hackmann Avenue onto Central Avenue. She did not see
where adding a third lane will help improve any congestion, because
Central Avenue is only two lanes.
� Ms. Nancy J. Jorgenson, 5730 Polk Street N.E., stated she is
addressing this item not as a Council member but as a resident.
She stated she and her family have lived here for 17 years. During
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that time, she has seen three proposals for this property. In
1981, she was the circulator of the �etition that stopped the
rezoning.
Ms. Jorgenson stated her concern is not only with the density and
the rezoning of the R-1 property, but also with the current
property that is along Highway 65 and Hillwind Road which is within
an HRA redevelopment district. If for some reason, the Polk Street
apartments ceased to exist, or some of the other apartment
complexes were purchased by other people, there is the potential
for having another office complex like the one located on Hillwind
Road that is currently owned by the Stinskis. She has been
contacted in the past by the Stinskis regarding their interest in
purchasing the three apartment complexes located on Lynde Drive for
a twin Hillwind office development.
Ms. Jorgenson stated she believed that when this property was zoned
R-1, it was zoned R-1 for a reason. The City generally stays
within the requirements of what it feels the density of the
neighborhood can handle. There are already a large number of
apartment units in this area. She would be very pessimistic to
see a six story apartment complex located anywhere on that
property. For one thing, the developer would need soil correction.
Secondly, the developer would need structural steel construction
which is very expensive. Realistically, it is probably not
economically feasible for that kind of development to happen, and
this is more of a scare tactic to the neighborhood than anything.
Ms. Jorgenson stated� the proposed development is probably the
highest class and the best she has seen proposed for this area,
but she did not like the density this development would bring to
the neighborhood. She has toured the petitioner's facility in ATew
Brighton, and that development is very classy.
Ms. Jorgenson stated she would recommend, as a neighbor, that the
City not approve the variance or the rezoning. She is also
concerned about an issue that was discussed at the New Brighton
location regarding the excess material that would be removed from
Lots 6, 7, and 8 in order to build this development. It was told
to the neighbors that were present that the material from Lots 6,
7, and 8 would be deposited on the outlot section. Right next to
the outlot on Polk Street is the BASFU on which the City spent a
lot of money, as well as state funding, in order to try to get
something that would filter the phosphorus and salt coming off I-
694 from filtering into Moore Lake. Any additional filling of dirt
in this area is going to make that drainage plan next to
impossible. Some consideration has to be given to that.
Ms. Jorgenson stated she believed that at the time Polk Street was
constructed where it currently looks as if there is a partial cul-
de-sac, the development agreement with the real estate company on
^� that particular location included a stipulation that indicated that
road would not be punched through. Of course, they cannot deny
access to a development. If apartment complexes were constructed
PLANNING COMMI88ION MEETING. MAY 18. 1994 PAGE 27
� there and were more than five stories, she feels fairly confident
that the Fridley Fire Department would require two entrances or
exits for fire safety.
Ms. Jorgenson stated she cannot believe some of the rumors she has
been hearing regarding this particular development. Again, it is
the finest that she has seen for this location; but, in her
estimation, she believed the best use of this property, although
it would not give the developer the most financial consideration,
is single family homes.
Mr. Newman stated that based on the comments made by Mr. Harstad
during the public forum, if the project was amended to include
outlot A and the density increased to 46 units, that has taken care
of the possibility of Outlot A being used for an apartment complex.
Would that change Ms. Jorgenson's feelings about the project?
Ms. Jorgenson stated she would still probably recommend that the
portion of property that is currently zoned R-1, Single Family
Dwelling, remain R-1 zoning. If the developer wants to put a
townhome development on the R-3 zoned property, she would probably
support it, as long as it did not require additional fill around
the BASFU area, ponding, or any environmental wetland conditions.
As an alternative, that option is obviously better than an
apartment complex. It is something that could be done without any
� action from either the Planning Commission or City Council unless
variances were needed.
Mr. Newman stated the problem the City is facing is that if this
proposal is denied, they may well run the risk that a developer
will come in and build an apartment building and the City will lose
the control. However, they can ask Mr. Harstad to amend his
proposal so.that the townhomes are on the entire parcel, including
Outlot A.
Ms. Jorgenson stated she would still be adamantly opposed to the
rezoning. Her issue is strictly with the density.
Mr. Sielaff stated he believed the main issue is traffic going by
the school and that if there was another access to this
development, that would alleviate a lot of the neighborhood's
concerns.
Ms. Jorgenson stated it would alleviate some of the concerns as
far as the traffic going by the school. But, traffic is always
going to be an issue. Basically, everything west of Matterhorn
runs through Polk Street down to Hacl�nann or Hathaway and out to
the Highway 65/Central Avenue intersection. She did not know how
they are ever going to address that traffic problem, even with the
improvements that are proposed for Central Avenue and Highway 65.
-''� Mr. Harstad stated that Ms. Jorgenson has voiced all the concerns
that need to be discussed in this forum.
PLANNING CON�lIBSION MEETINa. MAY 18. 1994 PAaE 28
� Mr. Harstad stated the price of the condominiums is minimally
$83,900. The end unit base price will be at least $89,900. They
have not yet factored in all the costs. The R-3 portion of the
property needs significant soil correctio�, particularly on the
west half of the property, so there are some significant soil
correction costs. The only way he could dare suggest townhomes on
the west side would be right up against the Hillwind. The soil
gets better as it moves eastward. For an apartment building to be
feasible, it would need to be a tall building, because it would
need soil correction which would necessitate a steel structure as
opposed to wood structure.
Mr. Harstad stated he is proposing very nice townhomes. He intends
to move into this development if it is approved.
Mr. Harstad stated that regarding the demographics, they have found
that the demographics of townhomes break down the same way in each
neighborhood. Roughly two-thirds are 30-somethings and one-third
is empty nesters. In both subsets, about two-thirds are singles
and one-third is couples. Of the singles in both subsets again,
about two-thirds are female and one-third is. male. Less than 5�
of the units have children at all, and it is very rare to see two
or three children in these townhomes.
Mr. Harstad stated this proposed development is across the street
,� from a grade school, and it has more of an attraction to the single
mom with children in grade school. But, his project in St. Anthony
Village that is across the street from a grade school has no
children.
Mr. Harstad stated that if the wetland did not come out of the hill
that actually drains the I-694 intersection, he could route the
traffic out onto Hillwind Road, but, again, that would not help the
Highway 65/Central Avenue intersection.
Mr. Harstad stated that regarding the access into the development,
he believed it is in the neighborhood's best interest to have only
one access into the development.
Mr. Harstad stated the rezoning of the R-1 portion of property in
no way increases the density over what otherwise could go into this
project, and the reason for that is the condition of the soils.
Soil conditions are poor enough on .the R-3 portion that it takes
a steel structure for a doable project with a higher density,
taller building.
Mr. Harstad stated that regarding placing excess fill on the
western portion, that excess fill is what they are going to dig
out for the basements. The logical place to put the fill is in
what is presently the low land on the west side of the wetland,
because that is the unbuildable part of the project.
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Mr. Harstad stated that Ms. Jorgenson's density concern is not
handled by denying the rezoning. _In fact, allowing the rezoning
PLANNINa COP�iI88ION MEETING. MAY 18, 1994 PAGB 29
� effectively eliminates the potential for significantly higher
density.
Mr. Edwin Dropps stated he and 011ie Erickson have owned this
property for 22 years. He has come to the City with a number of
proposals over the years; some have been dropped because of the
neighborhood opposition. This is the fourth proposal. He stated
he has paid over $100,000 in taxes over the last 22 years, and they
have to do something with the land. They believe this is a good
project that is good for the community and is better than anything
else they can get. He stated he does have a definite buyer for a
multiple dwelling on the R-3 zoned property if this project is not
approved. This is not meant as a threat. The townhome development
is a much better proposal for this property than any apartment
building.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to close the public
hearing.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERBON NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PIIBLIC HEARING CL08ED AT 10:50 P.M.
Ms. Savage stated that Ms. Jorgenson articulated very well the
concerns about density and traffic. However, she is very impressed
with the quality of the project. There isn't anything like it in
� Fridley that is this classy. She believed this type of housing
would be an asset to the City. She stated she has been persuaded
by Mr. Harstad that these types of townhomes generally attract
smaller amounts of residents which will ultimately help the density
problems. She stated they should do whatever they can to alleviate
some of the traffic problems. She stated she would recommend
approval of the rezoning, vacation, and plat requests by Mr.
Harstad.
Mr. Saba stated he agreed with Ms. Savage; however, he would like
to see the density decreased to less than 41 units. The traffic
concern has to be addressed somewhat, even though he realized it
is kind of out of the petitioner's hands. As Ms. Jorgenson stated,
this is a very classy development and probably the best development
for this area. On the other hand, the best thing for this area
would be no development. It is kind of a catch-22, but he would
be inclined to recommend approval of the requests.
Mr. Oquist stated he shares Mr. Saba and Ms. Savage's sentiments.
He does live in the area, so he has some real concerns about the
density. It would be nice if the developer could acquire Outlot
A and build some more townhomes to help reduce the potential of
additional densities. He stated this is the best proposal he has
seen for this area; and even though he is hesitant because of the
traffic problems, he would recommend approval.
�'� Ms . Modig stated it is •the best proj ect she has seen for this area .
She can understand the residents' concerns about the traffic, and
maybe something can be done to help control the traf�ic through
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PLANNINa COMMI88ION MEBTINa. MAY 18. 1994 PAGE 30
traffic signs and police patrol. This is a nice project, and she
would like to see Outlot A added to assure the neighborhood that
there would not be another apartment building.
Mr. Sielaff stated he also agreed the density and traffic issues
are a wash no matter what happens on that property. This is a
quality development. He personally would like to see owners as
opposed to renters which is better for the neighborhood overall.
Mr. Newman stated that if Mr. Harstad wanted to incorporate Outlot
A into his development, what would be the best way for him to do
that? If they are going to include additional land, is another
public hearing necessary?
Ms. Dacy stated there would be no need to hold another public
hearing because Outlot A was part of the public hearing notice.
If the Commission wants to review the site plan for Outlot A, then
they.could continue the public hearing until Mr. H�rstad has had
time to submit the plan. The other option is for the Commission
to act on this proposal and send it onto the Council for action.
The Commission would then not be reviewing the site plan for Outlot
A.
Mr. Harstad stated that if the Commission was willing to call a
short recess, he would discuss this with the property owner of
,�"'� Outlot A and make a decision at this meeting.
MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Modig, to take a 15 minute
recess to allow the Mr. Harstad and Mr. Dropps time to discuss the
inclusion of Outlot A in the development proposal.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE ASEETING RECE3BED AT 10:50 P.M.
MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to reconvene the
meeting.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPER80N NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE MEETING RECONVENED AT 11:05 P.M.
Mr. Harstad stated that he and Mr. Dropps have discussed the
purchase of Outlot A and the inclusion of Outlot A into the
development proposal. He stated that 4-6 townhomes along Hillwind
Road could probably be made to work.
MOTION by Ms. Savage, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to recommend to City
Council approval of rezoning request, ZOA #94-02, :by Forrest
Harstad of Twin City Townhomes, subject to the following
stipulations:
� 1.
2.
Plat request, P.S. #94-04, shall be approved.
Vacation request, SAV #94-02, shall be approved.
PLANNINa COMMI88ION ME�TING. MAY 18, 1994 PAOE 31
�� 3. Variance re est VAR #94-02 shall be a
� , , pproved.
4. The rezonin� request is contingent upon the site plan as
submitted by the petitioner and reviewed by the Planning
Commission at its May 18, 1994, meeting.
IIPON A VOICL VOTE, ALL VOTINa AYE, CHAIRPER80N NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY.
MOTION by Ms. Savage, seconded by Ms. Modig, to recommend to City
Council approval of vacation request, SAV #94-02, by Forrest
Harstad of Twin City Townhomes, subject to the following
stipulations:
1. Plat request, P.S. #94-04, shall be approved, and the
vacated area shall be combined with the property to the
east.
2. Rezoning request, ZOA #94-02, shall be approved.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON NEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY.
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend to City
Council approval of preliminary plat, P.S. #94-04, by Forrest
,� Harstad of Twin City Townhomes, subject to the following
stipulations:
1. The petitioner shall record in the condominium
declaration that the association shall be responsible
for the plowing, maintenance, and repair of the private
roads and driveways. The declaration shall permit
emergency vehicle access.
2. The driveways shall be signed "no parking" on both sides.
The condominium declaration shall be amended to prohibit
parking on both sides of the driveways.
3. The petitioner shall place a stop sign at the
intersection of the private drive with Fillmore Street.
4. Access, maintenance, and repair easements shall be
executed and recorded against the development parcel and
5512 Fillmore Street to allow the resident at 5512
Fillmore Street to use the access drive.
5. The condominium declaration shall be amended to require
maintenance and repair of the stormwater pond by the
association.
6. The petitioner shall comply with all comments by the
�'� Engineering Department regarding the grading/drainage/
erosion plan, which will consider the flow from the
Western Ridge development.
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PLANNINa COMMI88ION MEETING, MAY 18. 1994 PAGE 32
7. The petitioner shall obtain a permit from the Rice Creek
Watershed District prior to the issuance of a building
permit.
8. The condominium declaration shall�be amended to hold the
City harmless for the operation, maintenance, and repair
of association improvements as a result of work on the
public sewer line.
9. The condominium declaration shall require the association
to repair and maintain the private utilities.
10. The utilities shall be constructed to municipal
standards.
il. The association shall authorize the Public Works
Department to flush the hydrants in accordance with City
policies.
12. The grading plan shall be amended to indicate the number
of trees to be preserved.
13. The petitioner shall pay a park dedication fee of $750.00
per unit (41 units at $750.00 equals $30,750) prior to
� the issuance of a building permit.
14. The landscape plan shall be revised to provide 15 six
foot evergreen trees. Underground irrigation shall be
provided along the R-1 property (5512 Fillmore Street).
15. The condominium .declaration shall require maintenance
and/or repair of landscaping by the association,
16. The petitioner shall submit a letter of credit in the
amount of 30 of the construction value, not to exceed
$60,000, to cover the outdoor improvements.
17. The condominium declaration shall indicate the layout of
the project as submitted on the plat approved by the
Fridley City Council. The declaration shall comply with
the requirements of Minnesota Statute Chapter 515A.
18. The grading and drainage plan shall be amended to conform
with the recommendations stated in Scott Erickson's memo
dated May 13, 1994.
19. Outlot A shall be included in the subdivision with Outlot
A containing no more than six residential units. Access
to the residential units shall be directed onto Hillwind
,�
Road.
PLANNING CONIIKI88ION MEETING. MAY 18. 1994 PAaE 33
� For clarification, when the stipulations talk about "no parking"
in the driveway, that is referring to the private drives serving
the units and not the individual driveways immediately in front of
the garages.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIN�3 AYE, CBAIRPER80N NIEWMAN DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY.
Ms. McPherson stated these items will go to City Council on June
20, 1994.
5. RECEIVE APRIL 4. 1994 PARKS AND RECREATION CONIIKISSION
MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Saba, to receive the April
4, 1994, Parks and Recreation Commission minutes.
IIPON A VOICE DOTE, AI�L VOTING AYE, CHAIRPER80N NEWMAN DECLARL�D THE
MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY.
5. RECEIVE APRIL 26, 1994 ENVIRONMEPTTAL OUALITY & ENERGY
COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Sielaff, seconded by Ms. Modig, to receive the April
26, 1994, Environmental Quality & Energy Commission meeting.
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IIPON A VOICE VOTL, ALL VOTINGi AYE, CHAIRPERSON NEAMAN DECLARED T8E
MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOOBLY.
ADJOURNMEATT •
MOTION by Mr. Saba, seconded by Ms. Modig, to adjourn the meetinq.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Newman declared the
motion carried and the May 18, 1994, Planning Commission meeting
adjourned at 11:20 p.m.
Res. ectfully s mitted,
.
; ��
' Ly , e Saba
Recording Secretary
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