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CITY OB BRIDLEY
BPECIAL PLANNINa COMMIBSION MEETING� APRIL 26� 1995
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Newman called the April 26, 1995, Special Planning
Commission meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Dave Newman,
Diane Savage,
Connie Modig
None
Dave Kondrick, LeRoy Oquist,
Dean Saba, Brad Sielaff,
Others Present: Barbara Dacy, Community Development Director
Scott Hickok, Planning Coordinator
John Gregor, Macromedia Technologies, Inc.
Jeff Holstein, BRW, Inc.
Tom Harrington, BRW, Inc.
Donald Jensen, Rottlund Company, Inc. �
Tim Whitten, Whitten Associates
Gloria Erickson, 6110 Starlite Boulevard
Lorayn Fink, 6101 Starlite Boulevard
Avellene Steinert, 6171 Starlite Boulevard
Kay & Walt Behun, 171 Rice Creek Terrace
Curtis & Dorothy Britz, 281 - 67 Avenue N.E.
Brian & Joanne Toews, 6151 Trinity Drive
Mervin Herrmann, 278 Mercury Drive
Andrew Pappas, 6711 N.E. 2nd Street
Councilmember Billings, 6431 University Ave.
Bruce Lundberg, 230 N.E. Rice Creek Terrace
Steven Rathke, 6270 Jupiter Road
Ray & Margit Hong, 115 Sylvan I�ane
George & Bonnie Johnson, 210 Rice Creek Terr.
Leonard Passon, 6211 Rainbow Drive N.E.
APPROVAL OF MARCH 29. 1995. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
Mr. Newman noted the following changes: on page 5, the motion
should read, "MOTION by Mr. Rondrick, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to
waive the reading of the public hearing notice and to open a�l
three public hearings simultaneouslv." On page 23, the fourth
paragraph, the second sentence should read, "If you look at the
school, 1 3 of the students qualify as low income." On page 27,
the fourth paragraph, the third sentence should read, "At a
seminar, he recentiv saw a slide of a two-car garage and could
not see the house."
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OTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to approve the
March 29, 1995, Special Planning Commission meeting minutes as
amended.
IIPODT A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTIN�3 AYE� CHAIRPER80N NEWMAN DECLARLD
THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING REOUEST. ZOA
�95-01. BY THE ROTTLUND COMPANY. INC.:
The Rottlund Company, Inc., is proposing this rezoninq request in
conjunction with street vacation and preliminary plat requests in
order to construct 48 senior-only owner occupied condominiums, 96
owner-occupied attached townhouses, and 26 owner-occupied
detached townhomes. The site is generally located south of
Mississippi Street, west of University Avenue, and north of
Satellite Lane.
Current zoning the properties are R-3, General Multiple Family
Dwelling, and c-3, General Shopping Center. The proposed zoning
district is S-2, Redevelopment District. The S-2 district
requires plan approval by the Planning Commission and City
Council.
^ The le al descri tion for these re
g p quests are as follows:
Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 6, according to the plat
thereof of record in Anoka County, Minnesota; subject to street
easement conveyed by Document No. 714188; together with Lot 1,
Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 7, according to the plat thereof of
record in Anoka County, Minnesota; subject to street easement
conveyed by Document No. 930569; together with
The east 75.1 feet of Lot 3, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 5,
according to the plat thereof of record in Anoka County,
Minnesota, being that part of said Lot 3 lying easterly of Lot 1,
Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 7; together with that part of abutting
64 1/2 Avenue, vacated, which lies southerly and westerly of a
line described in document recorded in Book 905, Page 427;
subject to street easement conveyed by Document No. 969625;
together with
That part of the NW 1/4 of the SW 1/4 of Section 14, Township 30
North, Range 24 West, Anoka County, Minnesota (being also part of
Block 12, Lowell's Addition to Fridley Park, together with
abutting vacated alleys) which is more particularly described as
follows: Commencing at a point on the North line of said NW 1/4
of the SW 1/4 distant 1,043.58 feet East from the Northraest
corner thereof; thence Southerly parallel with the Westerly line
of University Avenue Northeast, also known as State Trunk Highway
Number 47, as the same is laid out and constructed a distance of
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158 feet; thence east parallel with the North line of said NW 1/4
of the SW 1/4 a distance of 155 feet, more or less, to the said
Westerly line of University Avenue, also known as State Trunk
Highway Number 47, a distance of 158 feet, more or less to the
North line of said NW 1/4 of the SW 1/4 a distance of 155 feet,
more or less, to the point of beginning. Subject to the rights
of the public over the North 73 feet thereof for road purposes.
Expressly subject also to the rights of the public for a service
drive over the East 30 feet thereof.
Together with abutting streets vacated or to be vacated.
Lot 4, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 5.
Lot 2, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 6.
Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 8.
2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT
REOUEST, P.S. #95-01. BY THE ROTTLUND COMPANY INC.:
The Rottlund Company, Inc., is proposing this plat request in
conjunction with street vacation and rezoning requests in order
,� to construct 48 senior-only owner-occupied condominiums, 96
owner-occupied attached townhouses, and 26 owner-occupied
detached townhomes. The site is generally located south of
Mississippi Street, west of University Avenue, and north of
Satellite Lane.
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3. VACATIOPT REOUEST. SAV #95-02, BY THE ROTTLUND COMPANY INC.:
This vacation request will vacate a portion of the University
Avenue Service Road south of Mississippi Street and north of
Satellite Lane, and a portion of 3rd Street immediately north of
Satellite Lane. The vacation request will also vacate a number
of drainage and utility easements within this development area.
The Rottlund Company, Inc., is proposing this vacation request in
conjunction with preliminary plat and rezoning requests in order
to construct a townhome project generally located south of
Mississippi Street, west of University Avenue, and north of
Satellite I,ane.
The legal descriptions for the proposed street vacations are as
follows:
That part of existing public streets in Sylvan Hills Plat 5,
according to the plat thereof of record in Anoka County,
�"'1 Minnesota, described as follows:
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Lot 2, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 5, except the north 40.00 feet
thereof; together with
That part of 64 1/2 Avenue and of Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills
Plat 5, lying northerly and easterly of a line as described in
document recorded in Book 905, Page 427, Anoka County; together
with that portion of service drive as shown on Sylvan Hills Plat
5, which lies north of the easterly extension of the straight-
line portion of the south line of Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills
Plat 5;
Except that part of the foregoing which lies east of a line drawn
30 feet west from, and parallel to, the east line of said service
drive, and north of a line drawn 135 feet south from, and
parallel to, the easterly extension of the north line of said Lot
2, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 5.
All of 3rd Street as dedicated on the plat of Sylvan Hills Plat
5, Anoka County, Minnesota, lying easterly of the east line of
Lot 4, Block 1, said Sylvan Hills Plat 5, and westerly of the
west line of Lot 1, Block 1, said Sylvan Hills Plat 5, and
northerly of the following described line:
� Commencing at the northeast corner of said Lot 4, Block 1; thence
on an assumed bearing of South 00 degrees 13' 20�� West, a
distance of 123.00 feet, along the east line of said Lot 4;
thence a distance of 31.43 feet, along a tangential curve,
concave to the northwest, said curve having a central angle of 89
degrees 56� 40" and a radius of 20.02 feet, to the actual point
of beginning of the line being described; thence North 80 degrees
17' 40" East and a distance of 101.52 feet, beinq a point on the
south line of Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 5, and said line
there terminating.
The legal descriptions for the proposed easement vacations are as
follows:
A ten foot drainage and utility easement lyinq along the westerly
lot line of Lot 1, Block l, Sylvan Hills Plat 6.
A ten foot drainage and utility easement lying along the
southerly lot line of Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 6.
A ten foot drainage and utility easement lying alonq the
easterly, northerly, and westerly lot lines of Lot 2, Block 1,
Sylvan Hills Plat 6.
A six foot drainage and utility easement lying along the westerly
and northerly lot lines of Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 8.
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A ten foot drainage and utility easement located in the southwest
corner of Lot 1, Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 7.
A ten foot NSP easement per pocument �285903 lying over Lot 1,
Block 1, Sylvan Hills Plat 8 and over Lot 2, Block 1, Sylvan
Hilla Plat 6.
Mr. Newman stated the Planning Commission at their meetinq of
March 29, 1995, opened a public hearing to consider a rezoning
request, ZoA �95-01; to consider a preliminary plat request, P.S.
#95-01; and to consider a vacation request, SAV #95-02, by the
Rottlund Company, Inc. That public hearing was continue to thia
time. The Chairperson would entertain a motion to re-pen the
public hearing at this time.
OTION by Mr. Rondrick, seconded by Ms. Modig, to re-open the
public hearings.
OPON A VOICE VOTL, ALL VOTINa AYL, CHAIRPERSON NEpMAN DECLARED
T8E MOTION CARRILD AND THE PIIBLIC HEARINGB OPEN AT 7s35 P.M.
Ms. Dacy stated the HRA and the developer contracted with
Macromedia Technologies, Inc., to prepare a computer video
,.� simulation of what the development would look like and to prepare
computer stills of what the housing types would look like from
various points in the development. The video would be shown
twice. During the first showing, Mr. Gregor from Macromedia
Technologies will explain what they have done in the video. The
second time through Mr. Whitten will talk about some of the
architectural issues discussed with staff. Mr. Whitten would
then like to go through some additional issues that the Planning
Commission asked the developer to evaluate. BRW will then
present an updated landscape plan and an initial concept plan for
the plaza area. Ms. Dacy will then present some of the issues
about the three requests.
Mr. Gregor stated Macromedia Technologies is a special consulting
firm which specializes in taking complex plans and creating
easily understood visuals to help to understand the plan. The
video shows the view of the condominiums, attached townhouses,
detached townhomes, and cottages. Because there had been
discussion about the size of the 16-unit townhouse buildings, the
video includes a view of the 16-unit buildings and another view
with 8-unit buildings. Mr. Gregor also showed still image views
of the different types of structures.
Mr. Gregor thanked the
for the opportunity to
helpful in the decision
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City, the HRA, and the Rottlund Company
use their service and hoped it would be
making process.
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Mr. Kondrick asked if Macromedia was given the actual count of
units in the area so the video would accurately depict what would
be there.
Mr. Gregor stated the animation and stills were taken from the
site plan layouts as provided by the Rottlund Company. There
were aome changes in the layout so there were some changes in the
video. One of those changes was from the 16-unit buildings to
the 8-unit buildings. The visualization is very accurate to the
size of the structure and to the number of structures. Also, a
still shows two 8-unit buildings and another shows one 16-unit
building.
Mr. Whitten stated, when viewing video of the one-story cottages,
a person sees the garages when looking one way but would not see
the garage doors on the other side of the street. The same would
be true of the two-story townhomes. The view of the condominiums
does not accurately depict the shadowing to give these buildings
a truly three dimensional look. Al1 the condominium units would
have decks. The video provides a view of both the 16-unit
townhouses as originally proposed and a view of the 8-unit
buildings as requested by the Commission.
,� Mr. Whitten commended Macromedia Technologies for the quality of
the video and stills and for their response to the changes.
Mr. Whitten stated there is, from the plan presented in the last
package, a slight change in the numbers. When 3rd Street was
moved, they lost four units in the cluster homes. He ehowed the
newest site plan which reflects the new configuration with the
entrance moved 100 feet. At the corner near Mississippi and
University are two 24-unit condominiums buildings, four stories
tall, and targeted for seniors. Each unit would have
approximately 1200 square feet and costing approximately $85,000
to $100,000. The townhouses are three stories with approximately
1400 square feet. There would be 48 units and the approximate
cost would be $85,000 to $110,000. The cluster homes or detached
townhome are two-story are targeted for young professionals. The
size is about 1400 to 1700 square feet. There would be 24 of
these units and the cost would be approximately $120,000 to
$130,000. There are 26 one-story cottages which are targeted
toward the empty nesters. The units would be approximately 1400
to 1600 sguare feet and would cost approximately $140,000.
Mr. Whitten stated there had been a question about the use of the
brick. They are willing to work with staff, the Planning
Commission, and City Council on that issue. They have not had an
opportunity to look at where the best impact would be or where
the best value would be. They are willing to look at it. The
� only other question is whether the 8-unit buildings or the 16-
unit buildings are better suited for this project. In order to
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accomplish the six 8-unit buildings and provide adequate space,
they lost two cottages.
Ms. Savage asked for Mr. Whitten's opinion of the ae�thetics for
more brick.
Mr. Whitten stated he thought there was an opportunity for more
brick in situations where there is some exposure to the street.
Ms. Modig asked what type of design and what color would the
garage doors be.
Mr. Whitten stated the doors would be raised panel doors. The
single garages would have 16-panel doors, and the double garages
would have 32-panel doors. The color of the doors generally
matches the trim.
Mr. Newman stated the video of the cottages showed the front of
some of those homes with windows that appeared to be flush with
the walls but the plans show the windows set out. How can we be
sure these types of issues are addressed?
Ms. Dacy stated that would be addressed through the architectural
,� plans. The plans will be the guide.
Mr. Gregor stated the dimensions on the visuals are accurate as
to the elevation. They do on occasion lack depth and you cannot
see the three-dimensionality. The imaging of the structures are
accurate to the elevation. There are some limitations to the
technology.
Mr. Oquist stated the 26 cottages on the video all look basically
the same, but the plans have multiple designs within that area.
Will this still hold true?
Mr. Whitten stated yes. The video is showing a three-bedroom
plan but there are four different plans so the actual view could
be any one of those four floor plans. The view from the street
would show various looks for the garages.
Mr. Kondrick asked how many units were actually lost.
Mr. Whitten stated there was a total of six units lost. The
number of units is now 146 units.
Mr. Rondrick stated the issue of the brick seems open ended and
he hoped to nail this down before the end of the meeting.
Ms. Dacy stated there is a revision that the architectural plans
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Mr. Whitten stated they would need some additional time to qo
back and take a look at it. The brick must be in an appropriate
place and must be cost effective at the same time.
Mr. Harrington, landscape architect with BRW, has worked with Mr.
Jensen to work on a revised site plan and site-related elements.
The revised Plan B is similar to what was proposed before but
they have now provided a sufficient number of trees on this plan.
They now have a total of 566 trees including evergreen,
deciduous, and flowering. This is three trees per unit plus the
trees in the buffer which is along Mississippi, University and
Satellite. The layout is similar to what was proposed with
street trees planted along 3rd and along the private streets and
overstory trees provided at the rear of every unit. There are
evergreen trees along University just behind the ornamental
fence. Along Mississippi there would be a combination of some
evergreen at the entry as a backdrop along with the stone columns
and larger arborvitae planted at the six foot height. Also along
Mississippi and University, mostly Mississippi, there would be a
two foot high earth berm. The berm along with the six foot
arborvitae would provide an eight foot high screen. Along
University Avenue, there would not be a need for that with the
Colorado Blue spruce which would provide adequate screening.
^ This planting would include some six foot and some eight foot
trees.
Mr. Kondrick asked the height of these trees at maturity.
Mr. Harrington stated the Colorado Blue spruce are 30 feet or
taller. Ornamental trees would be used to highlight the entry
spaces.
Mr. Harrington stated the revised plan has a different interior
space. Through some additional engineering, the detention area
grew but the amount of trail space is the same. Near Mississippi
and University, the first plan had a heavy mass of trees to act
as a buffer between the intersection and condominiums. This plan
shows a recreational space at the corner through a portion of the
area. He presented a concept plan of an oval park area for this
space. This space is to provide recreational activities for not
only the development but for adjacent residential and office
buildings. What they wanted to do was to turn their backs to the
very busy intersection and orient the space into the site. They
did this by providing heavy screening and a low seat wall at the
corner and then heavy landscaping to create a type of enclosure
to the space. The center area is a lawn area. They have not
defined the material for the low wall. The most important part
is the barrier. The trees would act as a buffer and as
screening. The area could have a variety of uses. The corners
� would have the same ornamental wall with ornamental fencing. The
area next to the condominiums is proposed to have trees that
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would provide screening and also provide a canopy-effect when
mature. This would be an area that could be used for picnics.
Ms. Savage stated she liked the concept. She was concerned that
the trees be tall enough to begin with.
Mr. Whitten stated the trees would be 2 1/2 to 3 inch caliper
trees which are approximately 14 feet to 15 feet in height when
planted. It would not take long for them to grow together.
Mr. Rondrick asked for a description of the area off to the side
of the proposed entrance from the intersection.
Mr. Whitten stated this space is not a functional space. There
would be berms in that area to give visual relief and add to the
back drop. The low seat wall is also an opportunity for future
signage.
Mr. Jensen presented some sketches for the fencing details. The
agenda packet included a picture of the proposed columns which
looks like Rasota stone but which are poured concrete. He
presented drawings of different faces and styles for an entry
treatment using the poured concrete.
� Mr. Kondrick asked if this product could be colored to make it
look any color within reason.
Mr. Jensen stated they are trying to match the Rasota stone. At
the last meeting, they had discussed that the condominium
buildings would also use this treatment in the same way using the
stone motif with brick detailing.
Mr. Jensen showed a plan concept for the entry at Mississippi and
3rd Street with a wide entry system for visibility purposes and
to shield the structures. There is also a street tree concept
which can be carried through the development.
Mr. Jensen stated one reason they were excited about the plan
designed by BRW for the park space and the concept in general is
that this provides an opportunity for people working in this
quadrant in Fridley to do things at lunch. People can go for a
walk in the area. Many of the buyers will be elderly in focus.
The only other park in this neighborhood is to the south which is
programmed to youth. This plan combines the detention facility
and activities that an aging population would focus on. It
creates a linear parkway that not only belongs to the development
but also to the City of Fridley. The beauty of the orientation
is that it is going to the southwest where it can get a lot of
sun. By movinq into the rest of the development through the
ponding and detention basin, there is opportunity to expand on
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the walkway system. This provides a 1/4 or 1/2 mile walk for
persons working in the area.
Mr. Kondrick asked if they had addressed the lighting fixtures
for the development.
Mr. Jensen showed pictures of the NSP-provided acorn style
fixture as discussed previously. Most fixtures are the single
globe style. They are also proposing the downcast shoebox style
fixture on 3rd Street where there are major intersections and at
the pedestrian crossing.
Ms. Savage asked how they would differentiate between the private
streets and the public streets.
Mr. Jensen stated the public street is 3rd Street which is the
connection between Mississippi and Satellite. All other streets
are private, that is maintained by the homeowners.
Ms. Savage asked if the police would patrol the private streets.
Mr. Jensen stated the police would patrol those street. It means
only that the maintenance of those streets are the responsibility
^ of the homeowners association.
-� Mr. Jensen stated Mr. Holstein did the traffic analysis for this
area. The findings were that this development at full build out
will have 1/3 as many trips as once existed. That is one of
their strongest arguments for the access to be located where it
is today. The intersection is designed for a lot more traffic
than what this development will create in the future.
Mr. Oquist asked if the light standards would be comparable to
what currently exists on Mississippi.
Mr. Jensen stated the standards would be different. The current
lighting is a hanging globe ball. They are proposing decorative
acorn style globes.
Mr. Holstein stated the traffic analysis shows the traffic would
be 1/3 of what it is today or could actually be 1/4 of what it
was three or four years ago when the plaza was there. With fewer
units, the traffic would be less then originally proposed. The
anticipated daily trips (ADT) in and out of the site would be
approximately 1100 trips on a daily basis. Today, the area
generates about 3200 daily trips.
Mr. Newman asked how many trips were generated with the Dairy
Queen and Rice Creek Plaza were in operation.
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Mr. Holstein stated the ADT's were then 3930. The anticipated
traffic should be about 1/4 of what is was at that time. As far
as traffic goes, there currently exists two site access points to
and from the site. Along Mississippi, there is a right in, right
out access approximately 200 feet west of University and there is
an existing access on 3rd Street. The development plan proposes
to eliminate the right in, right out which should help traffic
conditions in that area. Traffic in and out at 3rd Street is
also projected to be less so that should also help. Based on
their forecast, the intersection should be able to operate
satisfactorily.
Mr. Newman asked if they had done a traffic projection on 3rd.
Mr. Holstein stated they looked at it on an ADT basis. There is
use of 3rd Street by persons in the neighborhood to the south.
They estimated that to be about 1000 trips plus the 1000 the site
is expected to generate is 2,000. A recent signal warrant
analysis done by Anoka County when they counted that intersection
indicated an existing ADT to be approximately 3,000. He thought
the traffic would be less than what it is today and significantly
less than two years ago.
� Mr. Rondrick asked, because of the lack of commercial and with
the removal of the liquor store, that they would see the number
�- of trips generated from the south through the d�velopment
decrease.
Mr. Holstein stated they did not look at that section of 3rd
Street. Their study was done just south of the intersection.
The trips to the liquor store are probably not included in that
count.
Mr. Jensen stated they hoped they had done what they had
promised. They came forward with another plan that worked out
more of the details. This plan has in the southeast corner six
8-unit to�nhouse buildings. There is a mix of housing with two
different styles - two-story and cottages. In the northeast
corner of the development, they pushed everything a bit more to
make the setbacks work both on University and Satellite and were
still able to come up with an adequate and pleasurable space.
Rottlund is asking for approval. Staff presented a series of
conditions which they have discussed privately as well. Mr.
Jensen stated he would be happy to answer additional questions.
Mr. Rondrick asked how deep the ponds would be when filled with
water under the worst conditions.
Mr. Jensen stated the Public Works staff has recently provided
them with updated criteria and they would analyze this when the
plan is approved. As the area is now designed, the center pond
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may end up being the deeper pond. There must be at least three
or four feet of water held in that basin to keep it from having
an odor. The goal is to have a part of that ponding system at
its deepest probably five to eight feet deep. A lot of that has
to do with the criteria they �ould be held to. Some of that
still is in negotiation and the standards are still evolving.
Mr. Saba stated they had talked about security lighting and asked
if the developers had thought about it.
Mr. Jensen stated the security lighting they have for their
developments has a photometric basis which is a 1/2 foot candle
without street lighting through the development. The lights
would be at each of the garages areas and doorways. The lights
are on a photo cell constantly. These lights on the buildings
will put out a 1/2 foot aandle of light as far as the curb on the
opposite side of the street. From a security light point of
view, they feel this is a mandatory function for a buyer profile
that has more single women. The cluster and cottage homes have
lights at the front entry and around the garages but on a light
switch. The association can decide what is appropriate.
Mr. Sielaff asked if the walkway was also a bikeway.
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_ Mr. Jensen stated the paths are all 8 feet in width. They are
wide enough that two couples could pass each other. The paths
are lighted also. He did not think they would be recommended for
biking or roller blading but they are wide enough to accommodate
those activities.
Mr. Sielaff asked if there was then no designated bikeway.
Mr. Jensen stated there is a sidewalk along 3rd Street from
Satellite up to the detention basin. The sidewalk continues up
on the east side to get to Mississippi Street to get to the
intersection for the signal to cross either University or
Mississippi. The nice part about the trail system is that, if
the buyer profile shifts over time, there is an off road trail
where children can ride in a safe, non-automobile environment.
Mr. Newman stated he suspected there were members in the audience
who lived north of Mississippi Street who had concerns about th�
traffic flow at the intersection of 2nd Street and Mississippi.
Years ago it was intended that this site would be developed into
a highrise and commercial use and that there might be a signal at
2nd Street and Mississippi. He asked if the developer had any
feelings about this type of project and how this type of traffic
design might impact that intersection.
�, Mr. Holstein stated the intersection of Mississippi and 2nd
Street was outside the scope of this study. The purpose of the
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study was to determine whether or not the site redevelopment plan
would result in any adverse impact to the adjacent roadway
systems and to determine whether or not the proposed 3rd Street
access would work and, if so, what the appropriate geometrics and
traffic control should be at that intersection. Their conclusion
was that the site will generate 1/3 the amount of traffic. The
conditions in and around this site and the roadway conditions
ehould be improved over what they are today. Because of that
fact and the fact that they are eliminating a site access, this
intersection should operate satisfactorily under the existing
traffic controls and geometric conditions. Following that
analysis, he did have some discussion with the City and they got
some traffic counting information. The City came up with some
volumes. They looked at the future poasibility of what would
happen if the traffic would go over the threshold and would
warrant a traffic signal. The answer was still no. Today, the
traffic at 3rd Street does not warrant a traffic signal. With
the traffic at 2nd Street, it is not expected to warrant a
traffic signal in the short term. Perhaps in the future if the
traffic continues to grow, it may warrant signal.
Mr. Newman stated one option discussed was to have the entrance
to the site across from 2nd Street. Even with that, there would
,.� not be enough traffic to meet the requirements for a signal.
Mr. Holstein stated this was correct.
Mr. Newman stated, if he was a resident using 2nd Street, would
it be easier to gain access to Mississippi if the site entrance
was across from me or in the location as proposed.
Mr. Holstein stated he thought there was enough distance between
there. Obviously, the shortest distance is to line up the
streets directly across, but he thought where it is today
provides enough distance that it can function in an offset
position. As far as ease of access, he did not think it was that
big of an issue.
Ms. Dacy stated the staff report would provide more information
on the 3rd Street intersection and provide an update on the
meeting with the owners of RAO Manufacturing.
Ms. Dacy stated the proposed site plan is proposing to located
the 3rd Street intersection 30 to 40 feet east of the existing
location. The plan was submitted to Anoka County who owns and
maintains Mississippi Street. Staff asked the County for
comments as to whether they would accept this alignment and under
what conditions. Staff inet with the County two weeks ago but had
not received a written response. The County did contact her
�"� today and their response is that this alignment is acceptable;
however, a permit will be required and there will be conditions
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on that permit. The conditions are going to require that the
Miseissippi Street pavement at the entrance to the site be
widened as much as 14 feet so there can be adequate turn lanes
created in the middle of Mississippi Street to turn left into the
Holly Center and left or south into 3rd Street. When those
improvements are done and when the widening occurs, it meana the
curb lines on the south side of Mississippi Street will have to
be pushed back according to a formula established by the road
engineers and that length is anywhere from 700 to 1000 feet along
the south side of Mississippi Street. Anoka County is saying
this location is fine but we are going to have to create some
areas for turning into and out of the site. This proposed
intersection would move the Holly Center entranc� to the east as
well so that it lines up with 3rd Street. The County also said
an alignment across from 2nd Street was preferred and would not
require those types of improvements as opposed to the ones at the
proposed location. Apparently, at the 2nd Street location, the
County would still permit left turns in both directions without
an amendment or change to the Missisaippi Street pavement. The
County compared this intersection to the intersection on 85th
where Wal-Mart is located.
Ms. Dacy stated she spoke with County staff during the afternoon
,.� and conveyed that information to the developer. There is a
significant amount of cost associated with redoinq this proposed
intersection. A proposed stipulation was that the developer
obtain the permit and comply with the requirements. The
developer will likely raise issue with that.
Mr. Kondrick asked if this means the change in the curb must be
done and asked Ms. Dacy to explain the curb changes required.
Ms. Dacy stated this would require revising the curb line along
Mississippi for approximately 150 feet to the east and 700 feet
to the west of the intersection and movinq the curb line to the
south up to approximately 7 feet. This is for site distance,
alignment, and creation of a turn lane in both directions. This
is the County's current position but it is not writinq.
Ms. Dacy stated the next issue is the meeting between RAO
Manufacturing and Rottlund. Along the west lot line of the
development, RAO wants to be sure there an adequate sound barrier
put in place to prevent any type of noise issues from the
homeowners. RAO and Rottlund have agreed to execute a landscape,
easement and maintenance agreement which may mean that Rottlund
would actually construct an eight foot fence on the RAO property;
however, they would coordinate the grading and drainage to make
sure that works and the homeowners association would have access
to the RAO property to maintain the fence on an ongoing basis.
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work, they have determined that the extra area will be required
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from RAO. RAO also plans to expand their parking lot to
accommodate some of the additional parking demands from the
employees. The expansion will probably be toward the lot lines
adjacent to the development. RAO would like to complete these
improvements prior to occupancy of the units.
Mr. Rondrick stated the County is suggesting that Missiesippi
Street be widened. Would Mississippi be widened on both sides of
the street?
Ms. Dacy stated no. It would be primarily on the south side.
The widest point given was 14 feet. Essentially, the curb must
be removed and replaced.
Mr. Rondrick asked what this would mean to those dwellings
proposed to be located along the street.
Ms. Dacy stated she could not give an exact answer to that.
There is a right-of-way available now and she did not think there
would be additional right of way needed from the development.
Conceivably, the curb will be closer to the rear of those homes.
Mr. Oquist stated he did not understand why this was only
,..� required on one side. It seems it should be 7 feet from both
sides.
Ms. Dacy stated the space was needed to provide turn bays for the
driveways. The median would have to be reconstructed so that, as
traffic approaches the intersection, there is room to stack cars.
She wished she had a plan to show but this is the County's
position. The developer has addressed every detail we have asked
them to address. Staff is still recommending the plan be
approved. If the alignment of the roadway must change, staff
would recommend this come back to the Planning Commission.
Mr. Newman asked if the reason this would not be the case was if
the alignment with 2nd Street is that there are not as many
people traveling eastbound turning left onto 2nd Street as there
are people eastbound turning left into the shopping center.
Ms. Dacy stated this is part of it. Another issue, she thought,
is that the County feels the site distance issues in this
location are better than if located across from Holly Center and
the fact that this is a location that maximizes the distance from
University Avenue.
Ms. Modig asked the difference in distance between 2nd Street and
3rd Street.
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Mr. Jensen stated he did not believe the developer would have a
particular opinion. The traffic analysis shows that the traffic
should drop substantially from what the road was previously
designed for and should not warrant any widening at all.
Mr. Newman stated he would like to know who designed the road
that way in the first place. It has been on the record that this
area has been planned for high density use since 1986. He
questioned the competency of the County officials. If the County
is going to hold firm on this, it is still something that
Rottlund must plan for.
Mr. Jensen stated Rottlund is not interested in improving a road
to someone's vision when they have a traffic analysis that
indicates there will be a lot less traffic than what was out
there when the road was designed. There is no warrant for signal
lights there. If a four-way stop was warranted, you could move a
lot of people through there without widening the road. Rottlund
would certainly be opposed to paying for widening. The County
has seen the traffic study. He thought this was part of the
County's wish list. Rottlund certainly believes that the City
should obtain the permit from the County. It is easier for a
City to get road access to serve their interests for the future.
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Ms. Dacy stated part of the issue is that, after the first
Planning Commission meeting and after some general direction was
set reqarding the roadway, this is part of the reason they had
invited people residing north of Mississippi Street to the
meeting. Historically, they had envisioned a very high density
development and had discussed a potential intersection at this
location. Idow we have a development density that is
aignificantly below that but there is a neighborhood to the north
that has only one way in and one way out. They were trying to
look at the pros and cons of each location of the intersection
and see which way they could get the best opportunity for a
signal or stop sign. If traffic does not meet the warrants for a
signal, the County will evaluate it if someone wants to pay for
it.
Mr. Lundberg stated he appreciated the traffic study the
professionals have done. Unfortunately, a sample over a short
time is not what he has observed over 22 years. Also, the
intersection has changed over that period of time. If the liquor
store had not been where it is today including 3rd Street, he
would have asked for the competency for the designers for the
City of Fridley. Given the fact that the building is there, you
had to put it someplace. He has experienced trying to make a
left turn onto Mississippi off of 3rd Street at various times of
the day when the traffic does not abide by the speed limit of 35
^, miles an hour so, when traffic comes up over the hill, it comes
at 45 miles an hour and you have to tromp on the gas to get over
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two lanes of traffic. Because he lives north of Mississippi, he
must try to get across four lanes of traffic. While the volume
may not be there, this is not a safe arrangement. Because of the
way the hill comes up there, 3rd Street as proposed is not a good
place to have it. He would be very much in favor of having the
entrance to the development across from 2nd Street because, when
coming out there, you can see what is coming at you. i�hen coming
out of the development, you would be making left turns together.
When coming out of 2nd Street, not only must you try to see what
is coming up the hill from the west but to the east there are the
traffic lights which sends traffic through in clumps, along with
the Holly Center traffic and 3rd Street traffic. Sometimea it
gets to be as though your head is on a ewivel trying to make
those turns, especially during rush hours in the morning and
afternoon. He would strongly urge that the entrance be across
from 2nd Street. If you drive through that intersection
frequently, you will get a good idea of what the lay of the land
is.
Mr. Newman stated he thought it would be easier to make a left
turn from 2nd Street onto Mississippi if the traffic was not
coming at him. This plan would have that traffic 40 feet further
away so they would hopefully be in the right lane by the time
,.-� they get going.
Mr. Lundberg stated the westbound traffic that turns at
University comes across in a group. Coming from the west to the
east, there is a stream of cars typically bunched together. The
timing is part of it. Some are turning right into Stylemark
coming from the east. Coming from the west, there is typically
not a lot of left turns but there a cars in both lanes. Once the
cars pass the 3rd Street intersection, if there are cars turning,
all of a sudden you don't have the break in the traffic from the
cars coming from Holly or 3rd Street. There is then another
stream of cars coming shortly after that. When people are going
home from Stylemark and making a right turn, he has seen more
than a dozen cars stacked up along the intersection. It does
create a terrible inconvenience for those coming out of that
neighborhood. And looking west trying to see under the bridge
from 3rd Street in order to make a left turn is very difficult.
Mr. Johnson stated he attended the last meeting and a qentleman
disagreed with him that the traffic coming out of the liquor
store was a different issue, but it is always difficult to get
out there but especially on Friday nights and on nights before
holidays. Those who drive through now and then would not
recognize the problem. There is a problem in that area. They
have been trying to get out of the neighborhood to the north for
33 years. It seems to be best to have 2nd Street be a part of
� this connection instead of the shopping center. There is a
problem with traffic coming out of the shopping center. Some of
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the traffic comes out of there and practically park in the way
while you are tryinq to go west to get to 2nd Street to try to
get back home. He thought the congestion which would be near
Holly Center and at this intersection would be much more than it
is right now. He recommended the connection be at 2nd Street.
Mr. Sielaff stated he lived in that area for 10 years. Perhaps
he just didn't turn from 2nd Street at the busiest times, but he
did not have any problems making left turns onto Missiasippi. He
asked if this was true only at certain times of the day.
Mr. Johnson stated yes. It has to be at certain times because
the traffic varies. It is heaviest during the busy times when
going to work in the morning or coming home in the evening. Mr.
Lundberg described very well that the speed limit for many
drivers coming up the hill is over the posted speed limit. Cars
come through there very fast. He liked the statement about
having a swivel head. Hopefully, one would be able to go all the
way around because it is difficult to see in all directions. It
is not all the time. It depends on the traffic load.
Mr. Oquist asked if that condition would still exist if 2nd and
3rd Street were lined up.
Mr. Johnson stated he would envision having stop signs at that
corner.
Mr. Oquist stated he did not think there would be stop signs.
Everything being said indicated the traffic does not warrant a
stop sign.
Mr. Dacy stated the volume does not come close to the minimum
requirements for a stop sign.
Mr. Johnson stated they would still have to continue as they are
now in that area. The traffic from the west seems to be worse
for going fast. The traffic coming from University likely does
not have enough time to accelerate. He had visions of someday
having a four-corner stop sign to slow the fast traffic.
Mr. Oquist stated he did not think that would happen. The
traffic from the west will be there regardless of where the
intersection is located. The volume does not warrant a stop sign
so there would be the same conditions.
Mr. Sielaff stated he saw the issue to be making a left turn onto
Mississippi and then a right onto 3rd Street the way the plan is
now proposed. Why would someone make do this to qo south when
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Mr. Johnson stated they go this to get into that area to visit.
In order to pull out onto Mississippi and have that rush of cars
coming at high speed, you must go fast to stay in front them.
And then to make a right turn onto 3rd, he thought you would not
be able to do that.
Ms. Modig stated Mr. Johnson had made a comment regarding the
liquor store and the traffic it creates for the neighborhood. If
the liquor store is no longer there, it should eliminate some of
the congestion, and the traffic patterns from those homes would
be more consistent.
Mr. Johnson agreed that would be an improvement.
Mr. Sielaff stated people can still pass through to the entrance
onto University from Satellite.
Mr. Lundberg stated, if you look at the possibilities in the
future, it may be unlikely there will be a stop siqn along this
area. In the future if you have a four way stop at 2nd Street
and have the street aligned, then you have the ability coming
west from University and traffic coming east from East River Road
to stop at that same intersection. You can put a light or sign
� east of there near the Holly entrance and then you have people
slowing up, hopefully, as they come past 2nd Street. You then
have cars accelerating as they come from the east in a bunch
which is going to make life more difficult. Presumably this plan
is looking at 10 to 15 years out. He would still strongly
recommend the entrance moved to 2nd Street. When making a left
hand turn out of 3rd Street, you cannot see what is coming up
over the crest of the hill. Moving the intersection to the east
an additional 30 feet or so will help that situation. If 3rd is
aligned with 2nd Street, you can see to the east which is flat
and you can see to the west down the hill. This is safer even if
the traffic pattern does not change.
Mr. Passon asked if there was some way to alleviate the traffic
through Sylvan Hills. After opening 3rd Street, the traffic has
doubled. Main Street traffic is speeding through there and
flying up 3rd Street. Short of closing Sylvan Lane, is there
some way to discourage traffic from qoing through there? Cars
slip off University. There are children playing there. The
traffic has doublede
Mr. Newman stated this Commission did not have information on
which they could respond.
Ms. Dacy stated there has been mixed reaction from the people to
the south about having access on Satellite to Mississippi. The
� direction staff has been receiving based on a majority of the
comments is that there should be a connection at Mississippi
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Street to west. The project has been design with a through
street. The alternative is to have no connection and they could
conceivably design a plan with private drives and private
streets. That is an issue the majority of people to the south
have commented should come to conclusion. Thia is the direction
staff has received so far.
Ms. Toews stated she did not realize this would be a private
street type area. She wondered what the fees would be on a
monthly basis for people living in this area.
Mr. Jensen stated the association fees are in the neighborhood of
$75 to $95 per month which covers the common area items such as
the street, landscaping, trash hauling, snow plowing, etc. This
also pays for some of the private street maintenance. These
people would have a different person to work with if something is
not to your satisfaction.
Ms. Toews stated she was very excited about this plan. Because
they are close to the empty next stage, it is a boon to have this
available. As a member from the south end of the street, she
felt there should be access to Mississippi. She asked if the
outlet onto University would remain.
Ms. Dacy stated yes.
Ms. Toews asked what would happen if 3rd Street remained where it
is.
Ms. Dacy stated the response from the County was that the City
would have to do the same improvements.
Ms. Toews stated it is frustrating that they went through all
this mess years ago and now may have to go through it again.
Mr. Oquiat asked, if you did not move 3rd Street and did not
affect it, how can the County make the City do anything
different. As long as we don't do anything with it, it should be
able to remain as it is.
Ms. Johnson stated she comes to 2nd Street to get out. She also
uses 3rd Street which becomes a way to avoid the traffic light.
University is a high risk corner so she uses 3rd Street. She
thought 3rd Street would be the main street between the south and
the north. There may be a reason to have the access over further
from 2nd Street. It is difficult to go left from 3rd Street and
then right on 2nd. It is hard to see. There is not enough time
with the traffic. Sometimes the cars scoot out very quickly.
She is very surprised there are not more accidents in that area.
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OTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to close the public
hearings.
IIPON A VOICL VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, Cffi�iIRPTR80N 1QEWMAffi DECLARBD
T88 MOTION CARRIED AND THE PIIBLIC HEARINaB CLOBED AT 9s32 P.M.
Mr. Newman stated, after the hearing at the last meeting,
Commission members had an opportunity to express their opinion.
He would like to take this opportunity to have members indicate
their opinion about this plan and make that into a motion.
Mr. Sielaff stated the biggest problem is the alignment. Traffic
does come down Mississippi pretty fast. It is posted at 35 mph
and people drive 45 mph. That is a concern. If you are qoing to
make a left turn from 2nd Street onto Mississippi and then a left
onto 3rd, it is difficult to do. For safety reasons, it probably
should be shortened. There are visibility issues on 2nd Street
from both ways. There is a slope to make it difficult. He did
not know how much of the problem would be to alleviated by the
alignment. It might to a certain e�ctent. The problem is the
traffic comes too fast and there is the slope. He is in favor of
the development and was in favor of the revised Plan B. He has
reservations about the traffic concerns. He is just not sure how
^ much the problem would be alleviated by moving the intersection.
_ There is not enough traffic to justify a signal. He would be in
favor of the design as proposed.
Mr. Saba stated he was also in favor of Plan B revised. The
developer has done a super job in answering the concerns
expressed by the Planning Commission. He likes the eight-unit
townhomes. He thought this was a much better plan. He likes the
plaza area. As far as the traffic, he thought the County screwed
up and he did not know that this would fix it. He did not have
much concern where 3rd Street is located. He didn't think moving
3rd Street would help much. He likes the proposed plan as it is
and would support it.
Mr. Oquist agreed. He thought Plan B revised was a nice package
and would be nice for Fridley. Wherever the street is will not
slow down the traffic on Mississippi. He listened to the
comments and concerns but he would have more concern with cross
traffic if the streets were aligned. It seems that might be
worse. He did not see a stop light there in the future. He is
in favor of this. He thought the City should challenge the
County to understand why they want to do what they are suggestinq
for this intersection.
Mr. Kondrick stated he was also in favor of Plan B revised. He
was pleased to see six fewer units. He was in favor of fewer
-''1 units than that. This plan seems to be well thought out. The
park is a nice touch in the corner which is of interest. He did
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not have as many traffic concerns as others. He would be in
favor of this plan.
Mr. Modig agreed. The only question is that, in her opinion,
this plan for the corner is what you are going to implement.
Mr. Jensen stated the plan shown at this meeting is what they
would like to implement.
Ms. Modig stated she liked the fact that the townhouses were
divided up into smaller buildings. She has been in and out of
Holly Center for many years. What the County did to that road is
unbelievable and makes it almost impossible to get in and out no
matter where you would put the stop signs or road or whatever.
She appreciated the problems of the neighbors in that area but
she did not know what would change there. She would like to see
the County challenged regarding their comments about having to
make changes in the road that they just did two years ago
particularly if we do not move anything. Even if it is moved 30
feet, she can't see that it would be necessary to redesign the
whole road. It would be another two years they would not be able
to get in and out of Holly Center. She thought this plan was a
good plan and an asset to the City.
Ms. Savage stated she was impressed with the plan. It is unlike
anything they have in Fridley. It is really going to improve the
City a lot. She liked the different housing and the landscaping.
She was not sure of the 16-unit versus the 8-unit townhomes but
she liked the 8-unit buildings better. They are more
aesthetically pleasing than the 16-unit which is more
inatitutionalized. That ia why she is in favor of the revised
Plan B. She liked the park area. That adds a lot to the quality
of life. Most of our suburbs and cities lack those little parks
that other countries have more of and that add so much to the
quality of life. This is an outstanding plan and she is very
much in favor of it. As far as the traffic, she did not know
what could be done about it.
Mr. Newman stated he would like to elaborate on the traffic
issue. At the last meeting, they spend an hour on this issue and
looked at a number of different alternatives. It is not that the
Commission is taking the concerns lightly but they must balance
that with the fact that lining up the intersection would have an
impact on the development. If the alignment would result in a
stop sign, perhaps they would think differently. Since it looks
like it will not, they must balance the concerns of the neighbors
versus the adverse impact to the development. This proposal is
the alternative. He thought a lot about intersections that he
travels through on a regular basis and he is sympathetic but he
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He was looking at the street names and wondered where the
developer came up with Rasota.
Mr. Jensen stated the street is named after the type of stone on
the columns.
Mr. Newman commended the commissioners on the job they have done.
They have come a long way and the developer has made a tremendous
effort in trying to address the concerns.
Mr. Jensen stated they looked at where the intersection was going
and what made the most sense. It made the most sense to combine
the two most heavily used intersections which would be the Holly
Center and the neighbor to the south. To move them all to 2nd
Street would kill the Holly Center. If you move 3rd Street over
to 2nd, you still have a lot of activity crossing back and forth.
If there is any hope in the future for a signal, they felt having
3rd Street and the Holly Center access aligned would provide the
best chance for discretionary action.
Ms. Dacy stated staff recommends the Planning Commission
recommend approval of ZOA #95-01 with the following stipulations:
,,..� 1. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall comply with the stipulations of
P.S. #95-01 and SAV #95-02.
2. Rottlund Homes shall obtain a permit from Anoka County
regarding the proposed intersection prior to initiation of
grading, and shall comply with all County requirements.
Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall be responsible for all costs
associated with the realignment of the Holly Center
driveway.
3. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall cooperate with the owners of RAO
Manufacturing to insure proper screening and erosion control
along the common lot lines.
4. A$60,000 performance bond shall be submitted prior to the
initiation of grading to insure installation and maintenance
of the proposed landscaping as approved by the City Council.
The performance bond shall remain in force through one
growing season of vegetation proposed in the plan.
5. The developer shall submit a revised landscaping plan prior
to May 15, 1995.
6. Ornamental iron fencing shall be installed along University
Avenue with interspersed stone columns. Additional
vegetation shall also be installed along University Avenue
i"'� as determined by staff.
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7. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall obtain any necessary permits
from MnDOT regarding fencing, utilities, gradinq or other
issues.
8. The entry features shall be installed according to the plan
prepared by Arteka dated April 20, 1995.
9. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall design the public/private plaza
according to the recommendation of the Planning Commission,
Park and Recreation Commission, and City Council.
10. The bituminous bikeway/walkway shall be 8 feet in width.
11.
12.
Al1 utility boxes or other minor accessory structures shall
be properly screened with vegetation or decorative fencing.
Two globe acorn decorative light standards shall be
installed along Third Street.
13. Additional single globe light standards shall be installed
in the southeast part of the site for the attached units.
14. Revised architectural plans shall be submitted showing
additional brick fascia on all housing types prior to May
15, 1995.
15. Vision 2000 windows shall be installed in all units.
16. A list of interior product manufacturers and types shall be
submitted for all housing types by May 15, 1995.
17. The condominium declaration shall contain language providing
for the repair, replacement, and maintenance of the light
fixtures in the development excluding the fixtures in the
public right of way.
18. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall enter into a development
contract with the Fridley Housing and Redevelopment
Authority and shall comply with all of its provisions.
Mr. Jensen stated he had concerns about the staff's stipulations
for approval for the rezoning request and reviewed those
stipulations they would like to see revised.
Mr. Jensen referred to stipulation #1. They have some minor
revisions to P.S. #95-01 and would like this stipulation to read,
"Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall comply with the amended stipulations
of P.S. #95-01 and SAV #95-02."
Mr. Jensen referred to stipulation #2. They feel the City would
be the best party to enter into a permit from the County. They
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would be the stronger of the two negotiators. Rottlund Homes
would continue to enter into discussions regardinq funding. As
far the road improvements, if it is simple curb and gutter
removal which is contemplated in the current design, they could
cap that at somewhere around $2,000 pending a lot of redesign
work. He would like to negotiate this further.
Ms. Dacy stated this was prepared on Friday assuming minor
improvements on Mississippi and that has now changed. She
thought this stipulation should be dropped as proposed and
another stipulation that Rottlund Homes and the City shall
attempt to resolve the issues regarding the 3rd Street
intersection. She in not prepared to agree that the City will
obtain the permit. Staff have not had an opportunity to discuss
that.
Mr. Newman suggested stipulation #2 read, "Subject to the City
and the petitioner jointly working in a cooperative fashion to
obtain the necessary permits from Anoka County. Any costs
associated would be paid by the petitioner subject to the
petitioner's approval.°
Ms. Dacy stated she thought what would happen is that they will
� have to look at the final layout and costs, and negotiate based
on that.
Mr. Jensen referred to stipulation #6. They would agree to using
ornamental metal rather than iron. There are a number of various
alloys they use. The look will be as presented but it may not be
iron. Also, they would like to change that this is subject to
final approval by staff. As revised, this stipulation would
read, °Ornamental metal fencing shall be installed along
University Avenue with interspersed stone columns. Additional
vegetation shall also be installed along University Avenue
subiect to final approval by staff."
Mr. Jensen referred to stipulation #9. They would like to revise
this stipulation to read, °Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall design the
public/private plaza within the budget constraints determined
after collectina the recommendations of the Planning Commission,
Park and Recreation Commission, and City Council."
Mr. Jensen referred to stipulation #11. There are rules and
regulations of the utility companies. They would like to revise
this stipulation to read, "All utility boxes or other minor
accessory structures shall be property screened with vegetation
or decorative fencing, per the rules of the utilities companies
and the City of Fridleya
n Mr. Jensen referred to stipulation #13 and would like to revise
_ to read, '�Additional single globe light standards shall be
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installed in the southeast part of the site for the attached
units, de�endina on the photometric needs of the driveway areas."
Mr. Newman stated he did not want to go through each item. The
Commission is approving plans for which they do not have final
plana. He proposed a final condition that, if Rottlund objects
to any costs associated with any of these conditions, they are
then not required to proceed forward.
Ms. Dacy stated that Rottlund, if they object to any of the
costs, has the right to go to the HRA or City Council to discuss
the matter.
Mr. Newman stated, at some point, the developer will add up the
total dollars and, if it is too much, they could walk. He would
like to add a condition that, if the developer is not comfortable
with the total cost, they do not have to move forward. Staff
must be able to say this is what we require.
Ms. Dacy stated they have issued a contract to negotiate. The
phrase that concerns her is that the developer has not signed a
development contract. Once they get through the process, they
will then do a balance sheet. They assume there will be some
type of negotiating that will have to occur. If there is an
issue that affected the planning items, they would try to get
that to the City Council for final approval. Final approval of
this plan would likely occur on June 26. She hoped they could
get the costs identified by then and resolve the conflicts.
Mr. Oquist stated stipulation #13 states additional light ehall
be installed. Have they even said how many lights are there now
and how many more do you want?
Ms. Dacy stated the plan shows where the proposed light standards
are to be, but there were no light standards shown or a detail
around the 8-unit buildings. Staff is asking for a lighting plan
and for additional standards based on what is appropriate.
Mr. Jensen referred to stipulation #15. The Vision 2000 is a
dated manufacture so they would this to read, "Vision 2000 or
e ivalent a roved b the Cit shall be installed in all units."
Ms. Dacy referred to stipulation #12. When referring to the two
globe acorn light standards, she meant the standards with the
double arms. The developer is recommending the shoebox lights
and staff prefers the double acorn globe lights. Staff also
understands this adds more cost.
Mr. Jensen stated the light quality from the shoebox lights is
superior to the globe lights. He would hope that however many
cars there are that the light quality of the decorative lights is
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not superior to that which you get from the shoebox lights. For
the sake of major turning movements, he believed that NSP
downcast light fixture would be better. They will explore with
staff other locations for the double globe fixture.
Ms. Dacy stated the double globe fixture emulates what the City
already has on the street. Staff feels this is more attractive.
Mr. Jensen stated they have in the plan a downcast fixture at
Mississippi Street to add better lighting. They have a single
globe fixture at the first right turn. The third light on 3rd
Street is at the pedestrian crossing and they would prefer that
one remain a downcast light. The single light fixture is
proposed at the fourth intersection. At the intersection of
Satellite and 3rd Street, they would propose a shoebox light.
They will have additional lights for the dwelling units. They
will work with staff.
Mr. Oquist stated they have to take into consideration safety in
the well lit areas. There are a lot of private areas where there
will not be a lot of traffic. It warrants to have lighting at
the intersections. This will make a difference in the cost.
�..� Mr. Jensen stated this would add approximately $1,000 per light.
If all were changed, it could be approximately $5,000. The
decorative lights are more expensive and provide less light.
Ms. Modig suggested stipulation #12 state that the lighting would
be worked out between the staff and the developer.
Ms. Dacy proposed that stipulation #3 be replaced as follows:
Rottlund Homes shall execute a landscape easement and maintenance
agreement with RAO Manufacturing prior to qrading the property.
A copy of the agreement shall be submitted for staff approval
prior to execution. The agreement shall require Rottlund to
install an 8 foot fence and coordinate grade elevations with RAO
for proper drainage.
OTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend approval
of a Rezoning Request, ZOA #95-01, by the Rottlund Company, Inc.,
with the following stipulations:
1. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall comply with the amended
stipulations of P.S. #95-01 and SAV #95-02.
2. Subject to the City and the petitioner jointly working in a
cooperative fashion to obtain the necessary permits from
Anoka County. Any costs associated would be paid by the
petitioner subject to the petitioner�s approval.
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3. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall execute a landscape easement and
maintenance agreement with RAO Manufacturing prior to
grading the property. A copy of the agreement shall be
submitted for staff approval prior to execution. The
agreement shall require Rottlund to install an 8 foot fence
and coordinate grade elevations with RAO for proper
drainage.
4. A$60,000 performance bond shall be submitted prior to the
initiation of grading to insure installation and maintenance
of the proposed landscaping as approved by the City Council.
The performance bond shall remain in force through one
growing season of vegetation proposed in the plan.
5. The developer shall submit a revised landscaping plan prior
to May 15, 1995.
6. Ornamental metal fencing shall be installed along University
Avenue with interspersed stone columns. Additional
vegetation shall also be installed along University Avenue
subject to final approval by staff.
7. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall obtain any necessary permits
from MnDOT regarding fencing, utilities, grading or other
issues.
8. The entry features shall be installed according to the plan
prepared by Arteka dated April 20, 1995.
9. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall design the public/private plaza
within the budget constraints determined after collecting
the recommendations of the Planning Commission, Park and
Recreation Commission, and City Council.
10. The bituminous bikeway/walkway shall be 8 feet in width.
11. All utility boxes or other minor accessory structures shall
be properly screened with vegetation or decorative fencing,
per the rules of the utility companies and the City of
Fridley.
12. The lighting standards along Third Street are to be worked
out between the developer and staff.
13. Additional single globe light standards shall be installed
in the southeast part of the site for the attached units,
depending on the photometric needs of the driveway areas.
14. Revised architectural plans shall be submitted showing
additional brick fascia on all housing types prior to May
15, 1995.
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15. Vision 2000 or equivalent approved by the City shall be
installed in all units.
16. A list of interior product manufacturers and types shall be
° submitted for all housing types by May 15, 1995.
17. The condominium declaration shall contain language providinq
for the repair, replacement, and maintenance of the light
fixtures in the development excluding the fixtures in the
public right of way.
18. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall enter into a development
contract with the Fridley Housing and Redevelopment
Authority and shall comply with all of its provisions.
OPON A VOICE VOTL, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPBRSON NEWMAN DBCLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIISLY.
Ms. Dacy stated staff recommends approval of the Plat Request,
#95-01, with the following stipulations:
1. The petitioner shall enter into and record against the
property a development agreement with the City. The
,--� development agreement shall include, and the petitioner
shall comply with the following stipulations:
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a. Construction of 3rd Street and utilities in accordance
with the City of Fridley Engineering standards and
specifications.
b. The developer shall submit a performance bond in the
amount of 125� of the improvement cost to ensure proper
installation of the street and public utilities.
c. Petitioner shall obtain a permit from the Rice Creek
Watershed District prior to issuance of the building
permit. Petitioner shall comply with the requirements
of the district permit.
d. The petitioner shall obtain the Minnesota Pollution
Control Agency (MPCA) permit for storm water management
prior to grading on the property. The petitioner shall
comply with the requirements of the MPCA permit.
e. The grading plan shall be amended and calculations
submitted to comply with the requirements of the
Engineering Department, based on the revised plan as
recommended by the Planning Commission and the City
Council. Grading plan and calculations shall be
submitted to staff prior to final approval by the City
Council.
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f. The petitioner shall pay the park dedication fees as
required by the Park and Recreation Commission, and
approved by the City Council.
g. Utility lines shall be designed accordinq to the City
of Fridley's engineering standards and requirements.
The City shall inspect the construction of the
utilities. A plan and profile drawing of the sanitary
sewer and water mains shall be submitted.
2. Rottlund Homes shall record a condominium declaration in
compliance with state statute 515A. The declaration shall
include, and the petitioner shall comply with the following
stipulations:
a. The association shall be responsible for the plowing
maintenance and repair of the private driveways and
streets. The declaration shall permit emergency
vehicle access.
b. The private streets shall be signed "No Parking" as
required by the Fire Department.
^ c. The association shall be responsible for the operation,
maintenance and repair of the storm water system, and
shall execute a stona water pond agreement. The pond
agreement shall be recorded against the property.
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d. The association shall authorize the Public Works
Department to flush the hydrants in accordance with
City policies.
e. The association shall be responsible for the
maintenance and/or repair of landscaping entrance
monuments and buffer treatments.
f. The condominium declaration shall include the final
plan of the project as approved by the City Council.
The declaration shall comply with the requirements of
Minnesota Statute Chapter 515A.
g. The condominium declaration shall require the
association to repair and maintain private utilities.
h. If the association does not maintain the driveways,
streets and utilities after proper notification by the
City of Fridley, the declaration shall permit the City
of Fridley to access the property, complete the repaira
and assess the cost of the property against the
association.
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i. The condominium declaration shall include language
preventing owners from owning more than two units in
the development and rent them.
3. The petitioner shall provide a 30 foot utility easement over
the water and �ewer line running east/west between 3rd
Street and University Avenue.
4. The petitioner shall record a bikeway/walkway easement over
the public/private plaza area and the bituminous trail
through the center of the site.
5. An easement shall be recorded in the northeast corner of the
plat which provides the City of Fridley access and the
ability to construct an underpass or overpass across
Miasissippi Street in the future.
6. Ten foot drainage and utility easements shall be identified
on the plat along the perimeter of the project.
Mr. Jensen stated he had a few minor changes. On stipulation #1,
b., they could like to add that the developer shall submit a
performance or subdivision bond. This was recommended by the
^ bonding company. On stipulation #2, i., they would like to add
at the end, °to the extent permitted by law." There may be legal
ramifications based on this request. In some cases, there are
rules on what they can restrict and what is fair purchase. There
is only so much that they can covenant.
OTION by Ms. Savage, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to recommend
approval of a Preliminary Plat Request, P.S. #95-01, by the
Rottlund Company, Inc., with the followinq stipulations:
1. The petitioner shall enter into and record against the
property a development agreement with the City. The
development agreement shall include, and the petitioner
shall comply with the following stipulations:
a. Construction of 3rd Street and utilities in accordance
with the City of Fridley Engineering standards and
specifications.
b. The developer shall submit a performance or subdivision
bond in the amount of 125� of the improvement cost to
ensure proper installation of the street and public
utilities.
c. Petitioner shall obtain a permit from the Rice Creek
Watershed District prior to issuance of the building
''� permit. Petitioner shall comply with the requirements
- of the district permit.
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d. The petitioner shall obtain the Minnesota Pollution
Control Agency (MPCAj permit for storm water management
prior to grading on the property. The petitioner shall
comply with the requirements of the MPCA permit.
e. The grading plan shall be amended and calculations
submitted to comply with the requirements of the
Engineering Department, based on the reviaed plan as
recommended by the Planning Commission and the City
Council. Grading plan and calculations shall be
submitted to staff prior to final approval by the City
Council.
f. The petitioner
required by the
approved by the
shall pay the park dedication fees as
Park and Recreation Commission, and
City Council.
g. Utility lines shall be designed according to the City
of Fridley's engineering standards and requirements.
The City shall inspect the construction of the
utilities. A plan and profile drawing of the sanitary
sewer and water mains shall be submitted.
� 2. Rottlund Homes shall record a condomini
compliance with state statute 515A. The
include, and the petitioner shall comply
stipulations:
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um declaration in
declaration shall
with the following
a. The association shall be responsible for the plowing
maintenance and repair of the private driveways and
streets. The declaration shall permit emergency
vehicle access.
b. The private streets shall be signed "Ido Parking" as
required by the Fire Department.
c. The association shall be responsible for the operation,
maintenance and repair of the storm water system, and
shall execute a storm water pond agreement. The pond
agreement shall be recorded against the property.
d.
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f.
The association shall authorize the Public Works
Department to flush the hydrants in accordance with
City policies.
The association shall be responsible for the
maintenance and/or repair of landscaping entrance
monuments and buffer treatments.
The condominium declaration shall include the final
plan of the project as approved by the City Council.
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The declaration shall comply with the requirements of
Minnesota Statute Chapter 515A.
g. The condominium declaration shall require the
association to repair and maintain private utilities.
h. If the asaociation does not maintain the driveways,
streets and utilities after proper notification by the
City of Fridley, the declaration shall permit the City
of Fridley to access the property, complete the repairs
and assess the cost of the property against the
association.
i. The condominium declaration shall include language
preventing owners from owning more than two units in
the development and rent them, to the extent permitted
by law.
3. The petitioner shall provide a 30 foot utility easement over
the water and sewer line running east/west between 3rd
Street and University Avenue.
4. The petitioner shall record a bikeway/walkway easement over
,.-.� the public/private plaza area and the bituminous trail
through the center of the site.
5. An easement shall be recorded in the northeast corner of the
plat which provides the City of Fridley access and the
ability to construct an underpass or overpass across
Mississippi Street in the future.
6. Ten foot drainage and utility easements shall be identified
on the plat along the perimeter of the project.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIN(� AYS, CBAIRPER80N NERMAN DECLARED
T8E MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY.
Ms. Dacy stated staff recommends approval of the Vacation Request
with the following stipulations:
1. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall record any utility easements as
requested by the utility companies, either on the plat or by
separate document.
2. Compliance with the stipulations of rezoning request, ZOA
#95-01, and plat request, P.S. #95-01.
Mr. Jensen stated the developer concurs with the stipulations as
presented.
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T ON by Mr. Sielaff, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend
approval of Vacation Request, #95-02, by the Rottlund Company,
Inc., with the following stipulations:
1. Rottlund Homes, Inc., shall record any utility easements as
requested by the utility companies, either on the plat or by
separate document.
2. Compliance with the stipulations of rezoning request, ZOA
#95-01, and plat request, P.S. #95-01.
OPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTINa AYE, CSAIRPLRBON NEWMAN DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED IINANIMOIIBLY.
Ms. Dacy stated the City Council on May 8 would establish the
first public hearing for May 22. She fully expected the public
hearing would be continued to June 12. If everything goes well,
she expected the first action for approval to take place on June
26.
A�DJOTJRNMENT :
OTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to adjourn the
� meeting.
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IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERBON NEWMAN DECLARgD
THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE APRIL 26, 1995, BPECIAL APPEAI.B
COMMIBBION MEETIN(� ADJOIIRNED AT 10:15 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary
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